astrology can become a door to spiritual attainment.

[Guest guest]

Dear Vinita ji,

Listen to the words of Osho

==>

I have told you some things about astrology -- and if you realize

these things, then astrology can become a door to spiritual attainment.

<==

Astrology can give us all the 4 Purusharthas (like many other

subjects - different paths lead to the same goal) says classics.

Moksha (ultimate spiritual attainment) is one of the benefits of

devoting oneself to astrology. Yes, thus the study of astrology can

become (a unique) spiritual path as well.

You chose the right way. All the best.

Love,

Sreenadh

[Guest guest]

Dear Shreenadh,

 

The two articles by Osho are sooooo beautiful!!!

 

" Life is a whole. If you can perceive this wholeness, only then will

you understand astrology; otherwise you will not. Astrology is an

aspect of spirituality, a dimension of spirituality. It is the

science of wholeness, unity, nonduality. "

 

So very true.......

 

Of course, things may be programmed to happen in a particular

way...maybe we choose the constellations and the womb we are to take

birth in / from.

 

The question which has been in my mind for a few days is the

physical and the non-physical(?) - without knowing anything of the

2:)

 

On this forum also it was discussed how the ancient astrology was

about prediction of the mundane. In Osho's article also there is a

mention of sun spots and how it affects the cycles on earth. (In

fact there is a bussiness cycle theory in Economics based on sun

spots). But all this is in the sphere of the mundane, is it not?

 

In ancient India how many people tallied their charts for marriage?

In fact, astrology may have been outside the reach of commoners. Was

it not a preserve of rishi munis? Generally those of the royalty

consulted these rishis or studied under them.

 

In other words, astrology may have been about BIG things that

mattered in the world!

 

We use astrology for such little little things. For instance, look

at the daily astrological forecasts in the papers, or in fact in

Radio Mirchi which can only bring forth laughs (which is what Radio

Mirchi is sometimes about but not the papers which do not publish

these forecasts with cartoon strips)

 

Unfortunately, in today's world astrology is very much trivialised :

(:(, don't u think???

 

Finally, no matter what is programmed to happen, so far as non-

mundane things (relating to human beings) are concerned, the

perception of these events becomes very very important.

 

Now if we are prepared for ANYTHING to happen to us in this moment,

astrology in the narrow sense of knowing the future, becomes totally

irrelevant.

 

Some of the gurus say only this - the past is history, the future is

a mystery, just live in the present moment.... with awareness...

that anything can happen.... ACCEPT the inevitability of THIS

MOMENT. Once we ACCEPT whatever is to happen to us (call it FATE),

strangely enough don't we become FREE of Fate and can lead a life of

greater inner freedom....instead of being bothered about what is

going to happen to us in future???

 

Of course, atrology is very, very relevant and totally irrelevant.

It depends on how we take it. A matter of perception, don't u

think???

 

Love,

 

Vinita

 

 

 

 

, " Sreenadh "

<sreesog wrote:

>

> Dear Vinita ji,

> Listen to the words of Osho

> ==>

> I have told you some things about astrology -- and if you realize

> these things, then astrology can become a door to spiritual

attainment.

> <==

> Astrology can give us all the 4 Purusharthas (like many other

> subjects - different paths lead to the same goal) says classics.

> Moksha (ultimate spiritual attainment) is one of the benefits of

> devoting oneself to astrology. Yes, thus the study of astrology can

> become (a unique) spiritual path as well.

> You chose the right way. All the best.

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

[Guest guest]

In ancient times astrology was confined to the mundane (or so i have

been told on this forum). This included the occurance of famines,

wars, unnatural events, which affected the humanity at large. It was

not a method to study the future of individuals. The astrologers

then had the BIG PICTURE in mind.

 

We have come a long way since then.

 

Somehow I still remember the idea of the grosser and the subtler

tatwas than Dhanpalji wrote about. The mundane is just the physical,

isn't it? The humans are partly physical and partly non-physical

(remember the akash tatwa from Dhanpalji's hypothesis?). The more

physical we are, or the more grossly physical we are, the more is

the grip of the grahas.....the more bound we are to fate....with

very little free will....inner freedom......But the less physical we

become....letting the akash tatwa (conciousness) predominate....the

less important astrology may become.

 

For those having more consciousness like the rishis....who may have

perfect knowledge of the past, the present and the

future.....astrology, as most of us understand it, loses all

relevance....as they live in total inner freedom.....not bound by

fate /the grahas at all!!!

 

In other words, though astrology can become a door to spiritual

attainment, for those struggling to attain this....those who have

already attained spirituality / fuller consciousness (the realised

masters / the rishi munis)....astrology (as we understand in our

parlance) may not be that meaningful...as it is generally the study

of the physical / the mundane....from which they are far removed.

 

However, if the rishis of ancient times, wanted to involve

themselves with humanity, for the larger intererest of humanity,

they may have used their divya dristi / knowledge of

astrology.....for the good of the people at large.

 

This is so much unlike how astrology is studied today, where most of

us as INDIVIDUALS want to know what the future holds for I /

ME /MYSELF.

 

Of course, there are some sincere researchers too :);)

 

THANKFULLY!!!

 

 

 

, " vinita kumar "

<shankar_mamta wrote:

>

> Dear Shreenadh,

>

> The two articles by Osho are sooooo beautiful!!!

>

> " Life is a whole. If you can perceive this wholeness, only then

will

> you understand astrology; otherwise you will not. Astrology is an

> aspect of spirituality, a dimension of spirituality. It is the

> science of wholeness, unity, nonduality. "

>

> So very true.......

>

> Of course, things may be programmed to happen in a particular

> way...maybe we choose the constellations and the womb we are to

take

> birth in / from.

>

> The question which has been in my mind for a few days is the

> physical and the non-physical(?) - without knowing anything of the

> 2:)

>

> On this forum also it was discussed how the ancient astrology was

> about prediction of the mundane. In Osho's article also there is a

> mention of sun spots and how it affects the cycles on earth. (In

> fact there is a bussiness cycle theory in Economics based on sun

> spots). But all this is in the sphere of the mundane, is it not?

>

> In ancient India how many people tallied their charts for

marriage?

> In fact, astrology may have been outside the reach of commoners.

Was

> it not a preserve of rishi munis? Generally those of the royalty

> consulted these rishis or studied under them.

>

> In other words, astrology may have been about BIG things that

> mattered in the world!

>

> We use astrology for such little little things. For instance, look

> at the daily astrological forecasts in the papers, or in fact in

> Radio Mirchi which can only bring forth laughs (which is what

Radio

> Mirchi is sometimes about but not the papers which do not publish

> these forecasts with cartoon strips)

>

> Unfortunately, in today's world astrology is very much

trivialised :

> (:(, don't u think???

>

> Finally, no matter what is programmed to happen, so far as non-

> mundane things (relating to human beings) are concerned, the

> perception of these events becomes very very important.

>

> Now if we are prepared for ANYTHING to happen to us in this

moment,

> astrology in the narrow sense of knowing the future, becomes

totally

> irrelevant.

>

> Some of the gurus say only this - the past is history, the future

is

> a mystery, just live in the present moment.... with awareness...

> that anything can happen.... ACCEPT the inevitability of THIS

> MOMENT. Once we ACCEPT whatever is to happen to us (call it FATE),

> strangely enough don't we become FREE of Fate and can lead a life

of

> greater inner freedom....instead of being bothered about what is

> going to happen to us in future???

>

> Of course, atrology is very, very relevant and totally irrelevant.

> It depends on how we take it. A matter of perception, don't u

> think???

>

> Love,

>

> Vinita

>

>

>

>

> , " Sreenadh "

> <sreesog@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Vinita ji,

> > Listen to the words of Osho

> > ==>

> > I have told you some things about astrology -- and if you

realize

> > these things, then astrology can become a door to spiritual

> attainment.

> > <==

> > Astrology can give us all the 4 Purusharthas (like many other

> > subjects - different paths lead to the same goal) says classics.

> > Moksha (ultimate spiritual attainment) is one of the benefits of

> > devoting oneself to astrology. Yes, thus the study of astrology

can

> > become (a unique) spiritual path as well.

> > You chose the right way. All the best.

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> >

>

[Guest guest]

IS THE GROWTH IN THE POPULARITY OF ASTROLOGY THESE DAYS A REFLECTION

OF OUR PRE-OCCUPATION WITH THE MATERIAL / THE PHYSICAL???

 

WERE PEOPLE IN ANCIENT TIMES LESS PRE-OCCUPIED BY THEIR OWN

SELVES??? HAD COMPLETE ACCEPTANCE OF FATE??? WERE MORE SPIRITUAL???

 

OR COULD HAVE BEEN MORE INTERESTED IN ASTROLOGY IF THEY HAD ACCESS

TO QUICK COMPUTER MADE CHARTS THAT COULD BE READ!!!

 

, " vinita kumar "

<shankar_mamta wrote:

>

> In ancient times astrology was confined to the mundane (or so i

have

> been told on this forum). This included the occurance of famines,

> wars, unnatural events, which affected the humanity at large. It

was

> not a method to study the future of individuals. The astrologers

> then had the BIG PICTURE in mind.

>

> We have come a long way since then.

>

> Somehow I still remember the idea of the grosser and the subtler

> tatwas than Dhanpalji wrote about. The mundane is just the

physical,

> isn't it? The humans are partly physical and partly non-physical

> (remember the akash tatwa from Dhanpalji's hypothesis?). The more

> physical we are, or the more grossly physical we are, the more is

> the grip of the grahas.....the more bound we are to fate....with

> very little free will....inner freedom......But the less physical

we

> become....letting the akash tatwa (conciousness)

predominate....the

> less important astrology may become.

>

> For those having more consciousness like the rishis....who may

have

> perfect knowledge of the past, the present and the

> future.....astrology, as most of us understand it, loses all

> relevance....as they live in total inner freedom.....not bound by

> fate /the grahas at all!!!

>

> In other words, though astrology can become a door to spiritual

> attainment, for those struggling to attain this....those who have

> already attained spirituality / fuller consciousness (the realised

> masters / the rishi munis)....astrology (as we understand in our

> parlance) may not be that meaningful...as it is generally the

study

> of the physical / the mundane....from which they are far removed.

>

> However, if the rishis of ancient times, wanted to involve

> themselves with humanity, for the larger intererest of humanity,

> they may have used their divya dristi / knowledge of

> astrology.....for the good of the people at large.

>

> This is so much unlike how astrology is studied today, where most

of

> us as INDIVIDUALS want to know what the future holds for I /

> ME /MYSELF.

>

> Of course, there are some sincere researchers too :);)

>

> THANKFULLY!!!

>

>

>

> , " vinita kumar "

> <shankar_mamta@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Shreenadh,

> >

> > The two articles by Osho are sooooo beautiful!!!

> >

> > " Life is a whole. If you can perceive this wholeness, only then

> will

> > you understand astrology; otherwise you will not. Astrology is an

> > aspect of spirituality, a dimension of spirituality. It is the

> > science of wholeness, unity, nonduality. "

> >

> > So very true.......

> >

> > Of course, things may be programmed to happen in a particular

> > way...maybe we choose the constellations and the womb we are to

> take

> > birth in / from.

> >

> > The question which has been in my mind for a few days is the

> > physical and the non-physical(?) - without knowing anything of

the

> > 2:)

> >

> > On this forum also it was discussed how the ancient astrology

was

> > about prediction of the mundane. In Osho's article also there is

a

> > mention of sun spots and how it affects the cycles on earth. (In

> > fact there is a bussiness cycle theory in Economics based on sun

> > spots). But all this is in the sphere of the mundane, is it not?

> >

> > In ancient India how many people tallied their charts for

> marriage?

> > In fact, astrology may have been outside the reach of commoners.

> Was

> > it not a preserve of rishi munis? Generally those of the royalty

> > consulted these rishis or studied under them.

> >

> > In other words, astrology may have been about BIG things that

> > mattered in the world!

> >

> > We use astrology for such little little things. For instance,

look

> > at the daily astrological forecasts in the papers, or in fact in

> > Radio Mirchi which can only bring forth laughs (which is what

> Radio

> > Mirchi is sometimes about but not the papers which do not

publish

> > these forecasts with cartoon strips)

> >

> > Unfortunately, in today's world astrology is very much

> trivialised :

> > (:(, don't u think???

> >

> > Finally, no matter what is programmed to happen, so far as non-

> > mundane things (relating to human beings) are concerned, the

> > perception of these events becomes very very important.

> >

> > Now if we are prepared for ANYTHING to happen to us in this

> moment,

> > astrology in the narrow sense of knowing the future, becomes

> totally

> > irrelevant.

> >

> > Some of the gurus say only this - the past is history, the

future

> is

> > a mystery, just live in the present moment.... with awareness...

> > that anything can happen.... ACCEPT the inevitability of THIS

> > MOMENT. Once we ACCEPT whatever is to happen to us (call it

FATE),

> > strangely enough don't we become FREE of Fate and can lead a

life

> of

> > greater inner freedom....instead of being bothered about what is

> > going to happen to us in future???

> >

> > Of course, atrology is very, very relevant and totally

irrelevant.

> > It depends on how we take it. A matter of perception, don't u

> > think???

> >

> > Love,

> >

> > Vinita

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " Sreenadh "

> > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Vinita ji,

> > > Listen to the words of Osho

> > > ==>

> > > I have told you some things about astrology -- and if you

> realize

> > > these things, then astrology can become a door to spiritual

> > attainment.

> > > <==

> > > Astrology can give us all the 4 Purusharthas (like many other

> > > subjects - different paths lead to the same goal) says

classics.

> > > Moksha (ultimate spiritual attainment) is one of the benefits

of

> > > devoting oneself to astrology. Yes, thus the study of

astrology

> can

> > > become (a unique) spiritual path as well.

> > > You chose the right way. All the best.

> > > Love,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

dear vinitaji

 

in ancient days, sages used to be trikala jnanis i.e. one who knows

the past, present and future. be it a king or a pauper whosoever

approaches a sage, the sage just closes the eyes and knows why the

native has come and what his suffering is and used to bless by

granting a boon or suggest a remedy or forewarn some imminent

negative which cannot be averted. so cliarvoyance was more used for

predictions and not astrology.

 

however, stars were used even in those days but mostly the stars and

planets were referred for fixing muhurtams and not for predictions.

in those days of astrology people used to write which planet is in

which star and used to give predictions based on nakshatra and

graha. rasi found limelight later.

 

definitely all those sages who are trikala jnanais cannot be loosely

called as astrologers, for it is their divine intuitive skills and

thier saatvik living style that helped them maintain and align with

the divine energy in having the tri kala jnan. with so many tamasik

qualities like sipping nescafe while chatting and eating tamasik

food and enjoying conjugal bliss and striving to earn few dollars by

job or service, the present day humans are less fit to become tri

kala jnanis unless they control over their body and mind and develop

sage like persons. yes, an effort can be made to become like that.

 

wishing all such desirous people all the best.

 

pandit arjun

 

, " vinita kumar "

<shankar_mamta wrote:

>

> In ancient times astrology was confined to the mundane (or so i

have

> been told on this forum). This included the occurance of famines,

> wars, unnatural events, which affected the humanity at large. It

was

> not a method to study the future of individuals. The astrologers

> then had the BIG PICTURE in mind.

>

> We have come a long way since then.

>

> Somehow I still remember the idea of the grosser and the subtler

> tatwas than Dhanpalji wrote about. The mundane is just the

physical,

> isn't it? The humans are partly physical and partly non-physical

> (remember the akash tatwa from Dhanpalji's hypothesis?). The more

> physical we are, or the more grossly physical we are, the more is

> the grip of the grahas.....the more bound we are to fate....with

> very little free will....inner freedom......But the less physical

we

> become....letting the akash tatwa (conciousness)

predominate....the

> less important astrology may become.

>

> For those having more consciousness like the rishis....who may

have

> perfect knowledge of the past, the present and the

> future.....astrology, as most of us understand it, loses all

> relevance....as they live in total inner freedom.....not bound by

> fate /the grahas at all!!!

>

> In other words, though astrology can become a door to spiritual

> attainment, for those struggling to attain this....those who have

> already attained spirituality / fuller consciousness (the realised

> masters / the rishi munis)....astrology (as we understand in our

> parlance) may not be that meaningful...as it is generally the

study

> of the physical / the mundane....from which they are far removed.

>

> However, if the rishis of ancient times, wanted to involve

> themselves with humanity, for the larger intererest of humanity,

> they may have used their divya dristi / knowledge of

> astrology.....for the good of the people at large.

>

> This is so much unlike how astrology is studied today, where most

of

> us as INDIVIDUALS want to know what the future holds for I /

> ME /MYSELF.

>

> Of course, there are some sincere researchers too :);)

>

> THANKFULLY!!!

>

>

>

> , " vinita kumar "

> <shankar_mamta@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Shreenadh,

> >

> > The two articles by Osho are sooooo beautiful!!!

> >

> > " Life is a whole. If you can perceive this wholeness, only then

> will

> > you understand astrology; otherwise you will not. Astrology is an

> > aspect of spirituality, a dimension of spirituality. It is the

> > science of wholeness, unity, nonduality. "

> >

> > So very true.......

> >

> > Of course, things may be programmed to happen in a particular

> > way...maybe we choose the constellations and the womb we are to

> take

> > birth in / from.

> >

> > The question which has been in my mind for a few days is the

> > physical and the non-physical(?) - without knowing anything of

the

> > 2:)

> >

> > On this forum also it was discussed how the ancient astrology

was

> > about prediction of the mundane. In Osho's article also there is

a

> > mention of sun spots and how it affects the cycles on earth. (In

> > fact there is a bussiness cycle theory in Economics based on sun

> > spots). But all this is in the sphere of the mundane, is it not?

> >

> > In ancient India how many people tallied their charts for

> marriage?

> > In fact, astrology may have been outside the reach of commoners.

> Was

> > it not a preserve of rishi munis? Generally those of the royalty

> > consulted these rishis or studied under them.

> >

> > In other words, astrology may have been about BIG things that

> > mattered in the world!

> >

> > We use astrology for such little little things. For instance,

look

> > at the daily astrological forecasts in the papers, or in fact in

> > Radio Mirchi which can only bring forth laughs (which is what

> Radio

> > Mirchi is sometimes about but not the papers which do not

publish

> > these forecasts with cartoon strips)

> >

> > Unfortunately, in today's world astrology is very much

> trivialised :

> > (:(, don't u think???

> >

> > Finally, no matter what is programmed to happen, so far as non-

> > mundane things (relating to human beings) are concerned, the

> > perception of these events becomes very very important.

> >

> > Now if we are prepared for ANYTHING to happen to us in this

> moment,

> > astrology in the narrow sense of knowing the future, becomes

> totally

> > irrelevant.

> >

> > Some of the gurus say only this - the past is history, the

future

> is

> > a mystery, just live in the present moment.... with awareness...

> > that anything can happen.... ACCEPT the inevitability of THIS

> > MOMENT. Once we ACCEPT whatever is to happen to us (call it

FATE),

> > strangely enough don't we become FREE of Fate and can lead a

life

> of

> > greater inner freedom....instead of being bothered about what is

> > going to happen to us in future???

> >

> > Of course, atrology is very, very relevant and totally

irrelevant.

> > It depends on how we take it. A matter of perception, don't u

> > think???

> >

> > Love,

> >

> > Vinita

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " Sreenadh "

> > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Vinita ji,

> > > Listen to the words of Osho

> > > ==>

> > > I have told you some things about astrology -- and if you

> realize

> > > these things, then astrology can become a door to spiritual

> > attainment.

> > > <==

> > > Astrology can give us all the 4 Purusharthas (like many other

> > > subjects - different paths lead to the same goal) says

classics.

> > > Moksha (ultimate spiritual attainment) is one of the benefits

of

> > > devoting oneself to astrology. Yes, thus the study of

astrology

> can

> > > become (a unique) spiritual path as well.

> > > You chose the right way. All the best.

> > > Love,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Om Namo Narayanaya

 

Dear Vinitaji,

Namaskar. I have been away from the cyberworld for more than a

month. I am now in my beloved home land,happy carefree a very

certain lightning of the *spirit* that is only possible here.

Yes, I have always been told in alomost all forums that astrology is

for the householder, the mundane. Time and again I have always said

astrology is also a source of spiritual enlightenment, for me it has

been. What little I have learnt of it has immensely helped to become

what I am, a definitely better *I*. Astrology,has reinforced my

faith in the Divine.I am not really bothered whether I attain

moksha, whether my chart is favourable for further advancement

spirutually. All I know is that there is an inner strength, far

different from the vital as the Divine Mother says, a deep *psychic*

strength which has been made known to me due to astrology.

As you said, souls do have( spiritually advanced) the choice to

choose their environment for the experiences they wish to have for

their evolution. The Divine Mother has said that if certain

experiences have been given to you it is because you have wished it

so. It is never a reward and punishment theory as for as the Divine

is considered. All deeds are but the wishes of the inner I. It

becomes so much more easier that all the ills are foisted on us by

*ourselves*. The resultant experiences do make us become better

persons.

I know this is but one of the many theories/principles propounded.

I also know that this mail is getting longer, so I stop myself here.

Best wishes,

Nalini

 

Om Namah Shivaya Namah Mallikarjunaya)

 

 

 

 

 

, " vinita kumar "

<shankar_mamta wrote:

>

> In ancient times astrology was confined to the mundane (or so i

have

> been told on this forum). This included the occurance of famines,

> wars, unnatural events, which affected the humanity at large. It

was

> not a method to study the future of individuals. The astrologers

> then had the BIG PICTURE in mind.

>

> We have come a long way since then.

>

> Somehow I still remember the idea of the grosser and the subtler

> tatwas than Dhanpalji wrote about. The mundane is just the

physical,

> isn't it? The humans are partly physical and partly non-physical

> (remember the akash tatwa from Dhanpalji's hypothesis?). The more

> physical we are, or the more grossly physical we are, the more is

> the grip of the grahas.....the more bound we are to fate....with

> very little free will....inner freedom......But the less physical

we

> become....letting the akash tatwa (conciousness)

predominate....the

> less important astrology may become.

>

> For those having more consciousness like the rishis....who may

have

> perfect knowledge of the past, the present and the

> future.....astrology, as most of us understand it, loses all

> relevance....as they live in total inner freedom.....not bound by

> fate /the grahas at all!!!

>

> In other words, though astrology can become a door to spiritual

> attainment, for those struggling to attain this....those who have

> already attained spirituality / fuller consciousness (the realised

> masters / the rishi munis)....astrology (as we understand in our

> parlance) may not be that meaningful...as it is generally the

study

> of the physical / the mundane....from which they are far removed.

>

> However, if the rishis of ancient times, wanted to involve

> themselves with humanity, for the larger intererest of humanity,

> they may have used their divya dristi / knowledge of

> astrology.....for the good of the people at large.

>

> This is so much unlike how astrology is studied today, where most

of

> us as INDIVIDUALS want to know what the future holds for I /

> ME /MYSELF.

>

> Of course, there are some sincere researchers too :);)

>

> THANKFULLY!!!

>

>

>

> , " vinita kumar "

> <shankar_mamta@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Shreenadh,

> >

> > The two articles by Osho are sooooo beautiful!!!

> >

> > " Life is a whole. If you can perceive this wholeness, only then

> will

> > you understand astrology; otherwise you will not. Astrology is an

> > aspect of spirituality, a dimension of spirituality. It is the

> > science of wholeness, unity, nonduality. "

> >

> > So very true.......

> >

> > Of course, things may be programmed to happen in a particular

> > way...maybe we choose the constellations and the womb we are to

> take

> > birth in / from.

> >

> > The question which has been in my mind for a few days is the

> > physical and the non-physical(?) - without knowing anything of

the

> > 2:)

> >

> > On this forum also it was discussed how the ancient astrology

was

> > about prediction of the mundane. In Osho's article also there is

a

> > mention of sun spots and how it affects the cycles on earth. (In

> > fact there is a bussiness cycle theory in Economics based on sun

> > spots). But all this is in the sphere of the mundane, is it not?

> >

> > In ancient India how many people tallied their charts for

> marriage?

> > In fact, astrology may have been outside the reach of commoners.

> Was

> > it not a preserve of rishi munis? Generally those of the royalty

> > consulted these rishis or studied under them.

> >

> > In other words, astrology may have been about BIG things that

> > mattered in the world!

> >

> > We use astrology for such little little things. For instance,

look

> > at the daily astrological forecasts in the papers, or in fact in

> > Radio Mirchi which can only bring forth laughs (which is what

> Radio

> > Mirchi is sometimes about but not the papers which do not

publish

> > these forecasts with cartoon strips)

> >

> > Unfortunately, in today's world astrology is very much

> trivialised :

> > (:(, don't u think???

> >

> > Finally, no matter what is programmed to happen, so far as non-

> > mundane things (relating to human beings) are concerned, the

> > perception of these events becomes very very important.

> >

> > Now if we are prepared for ANYTHING to happen to us in this

> moment,

> > astrology in the narrow sense of knowing the future, becomes

> totally

> > irrelevant.

> >

> > Some of the gurus say only this - the past is history, the

future

> is

> > a mystery, just live in the present moment.... with awareness...

> > that anything can happen.... ACCEPT the inevitability of THIS

> > MOMENT. Once we ACCEPT whatever is to happen to us (call it

FATE),

> > strangely enough don't we become FREE of Fate and can lead a

life

> of

> > greater inner freedom....instead of being bothered about what is

> > going to happen to us in future???

> >

> > Of course, atrology is very, very relevant and totally

irrelevant.

> > It depends on how we take it. A matter of perception, don't u

> > think???

> >

> > Love,

> >

> > Vinita

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " Sreenadh "

> > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Vinita ji,

> > > Listen to the words of Osho

> > > ==>

> > > I have told you some things about astrology -- and if you

> realize

> > > these things, then astrology can become a door to spiritual

> > attainment.

> > > <==

> > > Astrology can give us all the 4 Purusharthas (like many other

> > > subjects - different paths lead to the same goal) says

classics.

> > > Moksha (ultimate spiritual attainment) is one of the benefits

of

> > > devoting oneself to astrology. Yes, thus the study of

astrology

> can

> > > become (a unique) spiritual path as well.

> > > You chose the right way. All the best.

> > > Love,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> >

>

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Dear Nalini / Auromirra,

 

Its so lovely to hear from u.

 

Yes, what u say is so correct! Astrology does help us to understand ourselves and our cosmic connection, which is so important, isn't it? It has helped me too in so many ways. First of all it made me join forums where i have made such wonderful friends. Its strange that we may never meet each other in the "physical" world but will go on meeting in the "cyber space" or in some kind of a virtual reality. But then there are so many realities, or maybe dimensions in space (?). Secondly, the knowledge shared is so wonderful. It has provided so much mental stimulation and food for thought that i feel so grateful to all those who made this possible. Of course, all knowledge has its limitations, and so also perhaps knowledge of astrology too after a point.....We have been discussing that the final reality is the inner experience alone which matters. But till we are groping for "the real

meaning", which cannot be written, cannot be talked of, astrology can be the stepping stone or the "door" to finding out a little bit about who we really are.

 

Welcome back to the forum. Hope we can meet more often.

 

Love,

 

Vinita

auromirra19 <nalini2818 Sent: Wednesday, 28 June, 2006 12:26:39 AM Re: astrology can become a door to spiritual attainment.

 

Om Namo NarayanayaDear Vinitaji,Namaskar. I have been away from the cyberworld for more than a month. I am now in my beloved home land,happy carefree a very certain lightning of the *spirit* that is only possible here.Yes, I have always been told in alomost all forums that astrology is for the householder, the mundane. Time and again I have always said astrology is also a source of spiritual enlightenment, for me it has been. What little I have learnt of it has immensely helped to become what I am, a definitely better *I*. Astrology,has reinforced my faith in the Divine.I am not really bothered whether I attain moksha, whether my chart is favourable for further advancement spirutually. All I know is that there is an inner strength, far different from the vital as the Divine Mother says, a deep *psychic* strength which has been made known to me due to astrology.As you said, souls do have( spiritually

advanced) the choice to choose their environment for the experiences they wish to have for their evolution. The Divine Mother has said that if certain experiences have been given to you it is because you have wished it so. It is never a reward and punishment theory as for as the Divine is considered. All deeds are but the wishes of the inner I. It becomes so much more easier that all the ills are foisted on us by *ourselves*. The resultant experiences do make us become better persons.I know this is but one of the many theories/principles propounded.I also know that this mail is getting longer, so I stop myself here.Best wishes,NaliniOm Namah Shivaya Namah Mallikarjunaya)ancient_indian_ astrology, "vinita kumar" <shankar_mamta@ ...> wrote:>> In ancient times

astrology was confined to the mundane (or so i have > been told on this forum). This included the occurance of famines, > wars, unnatural events, which affected the humanity at large. It was > not a method to study the future of individuals. The astrologers > then had the BIG PICTURE in mind.> > We have come a long way since then. > > Somehow I still remember the idea of the grosser and the subtler > tatwas than Dhanpalji wrote about. The mundane is just the physical, > isn't it? The humans are partly physical and partly non-physical > (remember the akash tatwa from Dhanpalji's hypothesis?) . The more > physical we are, or the more grossly physical we are, the more is > the grip of the grahas.....the more bound we are to fate....with > very little free will....inner freedom..... .But the less physical we > become....letting the akash tatwa (conciousness)

predominate. ...the > less important astrology may become.> > For those having more consciousness like the rishis....who may have > perfect knowledge of the past, the present and the > future.....astrolog y, as most of us understand it, loses all > relevance... .as they live in total inner freedom..... not bound by > fate /the grahas at all!!!> > In other words, though astrology can become a door to spiritual > attainment, for those struggling to attain this....those who have > already attained spirituality / fuller consciousness (the realised > masters / the rishi munis)....astrology (as we understand in our > parlance) may not be that meaningful.. .as it is generally the study > of the physical / the mundane....from which they are far removed.> > However, if the rishis of ancient times, wanted to involve > themselves with humanity, for the

larger intererest of humanity, > they may have used their divya dristi / knowledge of > astrology... ..for the good of the people at large.> > This is so much unlike how astrology is studied today, where most of > us as INDIVIDUALS want to know what the future holds for I / > ME /MYSELF.> > Of course, there are some sincere researchers too :);)> > THANKFULLY!! !> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "vinita kumar" > <shankar_mamta@ > wrote:> >> > Dear Shreenadh,> > > > The two articles by Osho are sooooo beautiful!!!> > > > "Life is a whole. If you can perceive this wholeness, only then > will> > you understand astrology; otherwise you will not.

Astrology is an> > aspect of spirituality, a dimension of spirituality. It is the > > science of wholeness, unity, nonduality."> > > > So very true.......> > > > Of course, things may be programmed to happen in a particular > > way...maybe we choose the constellations and the womb we are to > take > > birth in / from. > > > > The question which has been in my mind for a few days is the > > physical and the non-physical( ?) - without knowing anything of the > > 2:)> > > > On this forum also it was discussed how the ancient astrology was > > about prediction of the mundane. In Osho's article also there is a > > mention of sun spots and how it affects the cycles on earth. (In > > fact there is a bussiness cycle theory in Economics based on sun > > spots). But all this is in the

sphere of the mundane, is it not?> > > > In ancient India how many people tallied their charts for > marriage? > > In fact, astrology may have been outside the reach of commoners. > Was > > it not a preserve of rishi munis? Generally those of the royalty > > consulted these rishis or studied under them. > > > > In other words, astrology may have been about BIG things that > > mattered in the world!> > > > We use astrology for such little little things. For instance, look > > at the daily astrological forecasts in the papers, or in fact in > > Radio Mirchi which can only bring forth laughs (which is what > Radio > > Mirchi is sometimes about but not the papers which do not publish > > these forecasts with cartoon strips)> > > > Unfortunately, in today's world astrology is very much

> trivialised :> > (:(, don't u think???> > > > Finally, no matter what is programmed to happen, so far as non-> > mundane things (relating to human beings) are concerned, the > > perception of these events becomes very very important.> > > > Now if we are prepared for ANYTHING to happen to us in this > moment, > > astrology in the narrow sense of knowing the future, becomes > totally > > irrelevant.> > > > Some of the gurus say only this - the past is history, the future > is > > a mystery, just live in the present moment.... with awareness... > > that anything can happen.... ACCEPT the inevitability of THIS > > MOMENT. Once we ACCEPT whatever is to happen to us (call it FATE), > > strangely enough don't we become FREE of Fate and can lead a life > of > > greater

inner freedom....instead of being bothered about what is > > going to happen to us in future???> > > > Of course, atrology is very, very relevant and totally irrelevant. > > It depends on how we take it. A matter of perception, don't u > > think???> > > > Love,> > > > Vinita> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Sreenadh" > > <sreesog@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Vinita ji,> > > Listen to the words of Osho> > > ==>> > > I have told you some things about astrology -- and if you > realize> > > these things, then astrology can become a door to spiritual > > attainment.> > >

<==> > > Astrology can give us all the 4 Purusharthas (like many other> > > subjects - different paths lead to the same goal) says classics.> > > Moksha (ultimate spiritual attainment) is one of the benefits of> > > devoting oneself to astrology. Yes, thus the study of astrology > can> > > become (a unique) spiritual path as well.> > > You chose the right way. All the best. > > > Love,> > > Sreenadh> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Dear Vinita ji, ==> IS THE GROWTH IN THE POPULARITY OF ASTROLOGY THESE DAYS A REFLECTION OF OUR PRE-OCCUPATION WITH THE MATERIAL / THE PHYSICAL??? <== Yes, I think. ==> WERE PEOPLE IN ANCIENT TIMES LESS PRE-OCCUPIED BY THEIR OWN SELVES??? HAD COMPLETE ACCEPTANCE OF FATE??? WERE MORE SPIRITUAL??? <== How can we think so?!! Probably (if) they believed more in fate it could be because of the absence of the modern science and understandings. The main search method to seek truth in ancient times was subjective (spiritual and internal), now many are trying to use the objective method to find the same (probably in vain as Osho stated), but of course it is also a method which could destroy many of our false prejudices and baseless beliefs and superstitions. ==> OR COULD HAVE BEEN MORE INTERESTED IN ASTROLOGY IF THEY HAD ACCESS TO QUICK COMPUTER MADE CHARTS THAT COULD BE

READ!!! <== Nop. It is probably because they have no access to computers and does not have to worry about so many variables like divisional charts, and numerous dasa systems. ) They have to base the study on thoroughly understood minimum variables, and thus study gave many productive results. We are yet to reveal the use of computers as far as the sincere research and study of astrology is concerned. Of course computer is good tool - but where is the real study results?!! Love, Sreenadh vinita kumar <shankar_mamta wrote: IS THE GROWTH IN THE POPULARITY OF ASTROLOGY THESE DAYS A REFLECTION OF OUR PRE-OCCUPATION WITH THE MATERIAL / THE PHYSICAL???WERE PEOPLE IN ANCIENT TIMES LESS PRE-OCCUPIED BY THEIR OWN SELVES??? HAD COMPLETE

ACCEPTANCE OF FATE??? WERE MORE SPIRITUAL??? OR COULD HAVE BEEN MORE INTERESTED IN ASTROLOGY IF THEY HAD ACCESS TO QUICK COMPUTER MADE CHARTS THAT COULD BE READ!!! , "vinita kumar" wrote:>> In ancient times astrology was confined to the mundane (or so i have > been told on this forum). This included the occurance of famines, > wars, unnatural events, which affected the humanity at large. It was > not a method to study the future of individuals. The astrologers > then had the BIG PICTURE in mind.> > We have come a long way since then. > > Somehow I still remember the idea of the grosser and the subtler > tatwas than Dhanpalji wrote about. The mundane is just the physical, > isn't it? The humans are partly physical and partly non-physical > (remember the akash tatwa from Dhanpalji's

hypothesis?). The more > physical we are, or the more grossly physical we are, the more is > the grip of the grahas.....the more bound we are to fate....with > very little free will....inner freedom......But the less physical we > become....letting the akash tatwa (conciousness) predominate....the > less important astrology may become.> > For those having more consciousness like the rishis....who may have > perfect knowledge of the past, the present and the > future.....astrology, as most of us understand it, loses all > relevance....as they live in total inner freedom.....not bound by > fate /the grahas at all!!!> > In other words, though astrology can become a door to spiritual > attainment, for those struggling to attain this....those who have > already attained spirituality / fuller consciousness (the realised > masters / the rishi

munis)....astrology (as we understand in our > parlance) may not be that meaningful...as it is generally the study > of the physical / the mundane....from which they are far removed.> > However, if the rishis of ancient times, wanted to involve > themselves with humanity, for the larger intererest of humanity, > they may have used their divya dristi / knowledge of > astrology.....for the good of the people at large.> > This is so much unlike how astrology is studied today, where most of > us as INDIVIDUALS want to know what the future holds for I / > ME /MYSELF.> > Of course, there are some sincere researchers too :);)> > THANKFULLY!!!> > > > , "vinita kumar" > wrote:> >> > Dear Shreenadh,> > > > The two articles by

Osho are sooooo beautiful!!!> > > > "Life is a whole. If you can perceive this wholeness, only then > will> > you understand astrology; otherwise you will not. Astrology is an> > aspect of spirituality, a dimension of spirituality. It is the > > science of wholeness, unity, nonduality."> > > > So very true.......> > > > Of course, things may be programmed to happen in a particular > > way...maybe we choose the constellations and the womb we are to > take > > birth in / from. > > > > The question which has been in my mind for a few days is the > > physical and the non-physical(?) - without knowing anything of the > > 2:)> > > > On this forum also it was discussed how the ancient astrology was > > about prediction of the mundane. In Osho's article also there is a >

> mention of sun spots and how it affects the cycles on earth. (In > > fact there is a bussiness cycle theory in Economics based on sun > > spots). But all this is in the sphere of the mundane, is it not?> > > > In ancient India how many people tallied their charts for > marriage? > > In fact, astrology may have been outside the reach of commoners. > Was > > it not a preserve of rishi munis? Generally those of the royalty > > consulted these rishis or studied under them. > > > > In other words, astrology may have been about BIG things that > > mattered in the world!> > > > We use astrology for such little little things. For instance, look > > at the daily astrological forecasts in the papers, or in fact in > > Radio Mirchi which can only bring forth laughs (which is what > Radio > > Mirchi is

sometimes about but not the papers which do not publish > > these forecasts with cartoon strips)> > > > Unfortunately, in today's world astrology is very much > trivialised :> > (:(, don't u think???> > > > Finally, no matter what is programmed to happen, so far as non-> > mundane things (relating to human beings) are concerned, the > > perception of these events becomes very very important.> > > > Now if we are prepared for ANYTHING to happen to us in this > moment, > > astrology in the narrow sense of knowing the future, becomes > totally > > irrelevant.> > > > Some of the gurus say only this - the past is history, the future > is > > a mystery, just live in the present moment.... with awareness... > > that anything can happen.... ACCEPT the inevitability of THIS > >

MOMENT. Once we ACCEPT whatever is to happen to us (call it FATE), > > strangely enough don't we become FREE of Fate and can lead a life > of > > greater inner freedom....instead of being bothered about what is > > going to happen to us in future???> > > > Of course, atrology is very, very relevant and totally irrelevant. > > It depends on how we take it. A matter of perception, don't u > > think???> > > > Love,> > > > Vinita> > > > > > > > > > , "Sreenadh" > > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Vinita ji,> > > Listen to the words of Osho> > > ==>> > > I have told you some things about astrology -- and if you > realize> > > these things, then astrology

can become a door to spiritual > > attainment.> > > <==> > > Astrology can give us all the 4 Purusharthas (like many other> > > subjects - different paths lead to the same goal) says classics.> > > Moksha (ultimate spiritual attainment) is one of the benefits of> > > devoting oneself to astrology. Yes, thus the study of astrology > can> > > become (a unique) spiritual path as well.> > > You chose the right way. All the best. > > > Love,> > > Sreenadh> > >> >>