RE:Guru chandala yoga & Human evolution !!

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I think this email response of Mr. Krishnamurthy Seetharama is the most balanced view of Guru Chandal yoga. I totally agree with him. Thinking unconventionally in the modern day society ( today or yesterday ), has been always treated with contempt. Not convinced ?? Well, you all require another example to get convinced. I "declare" that Mr. Darwin theory ( of the famous or infamous evolution theory "framer" which we all read in our child hood biology subject days - kindly recall ) is copied or plagarised from Indian Mythology !!!! Come on man, you are joking.....Let me clarify...

 

The dasa-avatars are

 

Matsya Avatar ( fish )

Koorma Avatar ( tortoise )

Varaha avatar ( wild boar )

Narasimha avatar ( semi animal /man with Lion faced )

Vaman avatar ( young boy... )

Lord Parashuram ( angry young man of his times )

Lord Ram Avatar ( most idealist person ever to come across )

Lord Krishna ( most mischievous/intelligent /sharp- person ever to come across )

Lord Buddha ( most peaceful man on earth ever to come across )

The tenth is yet to manifest ....

 

Compare this original idea of hindu mythology with the Dr. Darwin's theory of evolution which also says similar things - hence, I once again "declare" that Dr. Darwin has plagarised Hindu concepts or read Hindu mythology extensively.....

 

Note: Kindly excuse me for using simplistic words - just to lighten certain serious issues therein.....( Infact I am a great fan of "The Great Fakir Kabir" who is popular even today for his "simplistic dohas")

 

with regards,

sreeram srinivas

sreeram64

 

 

 

 

 

vedic astrology [vedic astrology ] On Behalf Of Krishnamurthy SeetharamaFriday, June 23, 2006 11:24 AMvedic astrology Subject: Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Guru chandala yoga

 

 

Dear ,What I understand from Guru-Rahu combination is thatit makes the native think unconventionally. He/she maynot accept the traditions by the face value withoutquestioning and satified with the answers. Hence,he/she may not respect some traditions that does notmake logical sense (from his/her point of view).His/her uncoventional thinking would result in risingto higher levels faster than others or it could makethem law breakers as some of the laws may not makesense to them. Hence, the rest of the horoscope willhave a bearing on whether they rise in positive spaceor negative space. Some of the famous people who havethis Guru-Rahu conjunction are:- Christopher Columbus- Charles Sobhraj- Jo Jo Starbuck- Madonna- Micheal JacksonAnd, a similar effect is seen in charts where Guru andRahu aspect each other. They are again unconventionalthinkers and naturally we can find such combination inthe charts of researchers, scientists and people withunique approach in what they do. Some of such peopleare:- Pierre Curie- Mary Curie- Louis Pasteur- JRD Tata- Srinivasa Ramanujan- J Krishnamurthy- Alexander Graham Bell- Marilyn Monroe- Nathuram Ghodse- Alexander The Great- Winston Churchill- J F Kennedy- Jawaharlal Nehru- Srila PrabhupadaHence, Guru-Rahu combintion which is infamously knownas Guru-Chandala Yoga, need not necessarily be bad. Itshould be looked at with the rest of the horoscope asbackground.Regards,Krishna--- wrote:> My father has Jupiter and Rahu in Lagna in Cancer.> Has> had a remarkable career, famous and has got awards> for> his work as well. Has risen from ashes thrice in his> life to great heights.> > > > > >________> > Copy addresses and emails from any email account to> Mail - quick, easy and free.> http://uk.docs./trueswitch2.html>

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Dear Srinivas,

 

I'm personally skeptical on interpreting any yoga, the GCY included,

purely on face value regardless of all else. A strong lagna and lagna

lord and unafflicted Moon are, for example, known to mitigate the

effects of any adverse yogas. There's additionally the matter of

functional lordships. I've seen at least three charts where Ju is

conjunct one of the nodes, with that node gaining lordship over Sc or

Aq, with no terrible effects as such. For one, a Sc asc native, the

Ju-Ra combine means a conjunction of 4th and 5th lords, in 10th. He's

doing quite well in his career and other matters, as far as I know.

 

I've a Ju-Mo combine in Cancer and Su-Me in Gemini, and if there's any

good of either the gajakesari or budhaditya, I'm yet to see it

 

Btw, there's another theory that even a Sa-Ju combine is deemed GCY...

 

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, " sreeram srinivas "

<sreeram64 wrote:

>

> I think this email response of Mr. Krishnamurthy Seetharama is the most

> balanced view of Guru Chandal yoga. I totally agree with him.

[Guest guest]

dear srinivas,

 

you are right to say that Das avatar depicts the evolution theory

of Darwin. Let me share some of my thoughts on the issue.

 

The life has began billions of years ago as a spark from Oceans.

This is depicted in our puranas in several places.

 

I often talked about Vritra and Indra's fighting on a symbolism

level and this is one of the symbolisms it holds. Vrtra means

inertia, the inertia that has been there for ages, lifeless,

actionless and utterly passive, so passive that there was no change

in any aspect for ages. Indra, perhaps a star here, Red in color and

big in size, has stuck this inertia of the seas, igniting a spark,

the spark of life. Incidentally, Indra literally means ignition.

 

This life, ignited by Divine will or by accident, has started to

take a shape called a Cell. This cell became capable of independent

existence and behold, of growing and populating. This is called

amoeba.

 

A fish is nothing but a great amoeba! This is symbolized in the

first avatar. This avatar represents the Life Force and

interestingly, the demon killed by the Lord in this incarnation is

named Somaka- the laziness or Inertia! Thus, it symbolizes the

beginning of life by having victory over the inertia that has been

there for ages.

 

Lord Krishna had been an avid worshipper of matsya avatar.

 

At psychological level, this avatar represents the beginning of

Intelligence and the eternal dilemma of man whether to be born or

not. At spiritual level, it indicates the birth of the urge to seek

of the Ultimate, as paraphrased by the famous first brahma sutra-`

Once the Brahma jijnasa has taken place… " (athatho brahma jijnasa)

Pisces, amongst signs, represents this avatar and fittingly, the

spiritual graha, Ketu , represents this avatar.

 

The Kurma symbolizes the survival and slow proliferation of life

onto Land. The survival requires conformation to the nature laws and

a discipline that is imposed by the Universe. The tortoise also

represents imposing limits on its own self. Cancer, amongst signs

and Saturn in the planets represent this avatar. It also indicates

the responsibilities one carries in any role that one dons.

 

At psychological level, it represents the development of Ideas and

emotions. At spiritual level, it indicates the culmination of

shraddha or deeksha , ie the deep determination and strength of

ones decision to seek the Lord.

 

 

I would post more on hearing from the group.

 

regards,

 

Kishore patnaik

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Dear Shree Patnaik,

Please go ahead. We'd like to read you more on this.

 

I too liked your other posting today, re Vivekananda etc.

 

A snatch from that:

 

....Every science in this country is spiritual in nature,

including such secular science as Medicine and such violent science

as Archery.

 

But there are certain sciences which indeed need to be seen in the

spiritual frame alone and I feel Astrology is one. It requires

nishta and vaksuddhi on the part of astrologer and I am sure an

astrologer who does not lead a lifestyle of purity and moral values

will not go a long way in this subject...

 

I agree. Well-said.

 

Warm regards,

RK

 

 

, " kishore mohan "

<kishorepatnaik09 wrote:

>

> dear srinivas,

>

> you are right to say that Das avatar depicts the evolution theory

> of Darwin. Let me share some of my thoughts on the issue.

>

> The life has began billions of years ago as a spark from Oceans.

> This is depicted in our puranas in several places.

>

> I often talked about Vritra and Indra's fighting on a symbolism

> level and this is one of the symbolisms it holds. Vrtra means

> inertia, the inertia that has been there for ages, lifeless,

> actionless and utterly passive, so passive that there was no change

> in any aspect for ages. Indra, perhaps a star here, Red in color

and

> big in size, has stuck this inertia of the seas, igniting a spark,

> the spark of life. Incidentally, Indra literally means ignition.

>

> This life, ignited by Divine will or by accident, has started to

> take a shape called a Cell. This cell became capable of independent

> existence and behold, of growing and populating. This is called

> amoeba.

>

> A fish is nothing but a great amoeba! This is symbolized in the

> first avatar. This avatar represents the Life Force and

> interestingly, the demon killed by the Lord in this incarnation is

> named Somaka- the laziness or Inertia! Thus, it symbolizes the

> beginning of life by having victory over the inertia that has been

> there for ages.

>

> Lord Krishna had been an avid worshipper of matsya avatar.

>

> At psychological level, this avatar represents the beginning of

> Intelligence and the eternal dilemma of man whether to be born or

> not. At spiritual level, it indicates the birth of the urge to seek

> of the Ultimate, as paraphrased by the famous first brahma sutra-`

> Once the Brahma jijnasa has taken place… " (athatho brahma jijnasa)

> Pisces, amongst signs, represents this avatar and fittingly, the

> spiritual graha, Ketu , represents this avatar.

>

> The Kurma symbolizes the survival and slow proliferation of life

> onto Land. The survival requires conformation to the nature laws

and

> a discipline that is imposed by the Universe. The tortoise also

> represents imposing limits on its own self. Cancer, amongst signs

> and Saturn in the planets represent this avatar. It also indicates

> the responsibilities one carries in any role that one dons.

>

> At psychological level, it represents the development of Ideas and

> emotions. At spiritual level, it indicates the culmination of

> shraddha or deeksha , ie the deep determination and strength of

> ones decision to seek the Lord.

>

>

> I would post more on hearing from the group.

>

> regards,

>

> Kishore patnaik

>

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Dear Srinivas ji and Verna ji,

I am against any such special naming of 2 planet planetary

combinations (Dwigraha Yogas). We won't find such a system followed in

Rishi Horas. Ofcourse we should also remember that Graha Yogas (a

special branch of which is Dwigraha yogas), is just a part of 7-fold

Yoga classification system. For the special branch Dwi graha yogas (2

planet combinations) no special naming convention was followed by

Rishi horas except by using the names of the planet. In short, if we

follow the Rishi hora system, then it is better to call -

Guru-Rahu Yoga (and not Guru-Chandala Yoga)

Kuja-Sani Yoga (and not Agni-Maruta Yoga)

Ravi-Budha Yoga (and not Nipuna Yoga)

etc. This applies to all 2 planet combinations. Please notice the

following fact; and understand why this naming should be dropped -

* the new names are used by some just to indicate one of the many

peculiar results provided by the yoga

* the new naming fail to reflect all the possibilities indicated by

the Yoga (combination).

* This system fail to name all the 2 planet combinations (Dwi graha

yogas)

* This type of naming is not supported by the Rishi horas.

A two planet combination may indicate many results. It includes-

* The results based on the combining of significance (The slokas

related this are available in plenty in slandered texts)

* The results based on the combining of the significance of the

houses owned by the two grahas (This changes based on situation and

horoscopes and so one will not find much slokas related to this).

Remember that the lord of the house is natural karaka for the house

(Adhipa sarva bhavanam karaka parikeertita)

* The results based on the combining of the significance of the signs

owned by the two grahas.

Such results for sure will contain some positive and some negative

results. In other words even the worst Dwigraha (2 planet) combination

will have some good things as well to indicate in a horoscope. Due to

this reason as well, such naming (by making the Yoga stiff; and

disturbing the balanced thinking of the astrologer about that yoga)

conventions should be discarded. Yes, yet again notice the fact that

no astrologer before Mihira (including Mihira) used such names.

Love,

Sreenadh

 

 

, " vernalagnia "

<vernalagnia wrote:

>

> Dear Srinivas,

>

> I'm personally skeptical on interpreting any yoga, the GCY included,

> purely on face value regardless of all else. A strong lagna and lagna

> lord and unafflicted Moon are, for example, known to mitigate the

> effects of any adverse yogas. There's additionally the matter of

> functional lordships. I've seen at least three charts where Ju is

> conjunct one of the nodes, with that node gaining lordship over Sc or

> Aq, with no terrible effects as such. For one, a Sc asc native, the

> Ju-Ra combine means a conjunction of 4th and 5th lords, in 10th. He's

> doing quite well in his career and other matters, as far as I know.

>

> I've a Ju-Mo combine in Cancer and Su-Me in Gemini, and if there's any

> good of either the gajakesari or budhaditya, I'm yet to see it

>

> Btw, there's another theory that even a Sa-Ju combine is deemed GCY...

>

> +++

>

> , " sreeram srinivas "

> <sreeram64@> wrote:

> >

> > I think this email response of Mr. Krishnamurthy Seetharama is the

most

> > balanced view of Guru Chandal yoga. I totally agree with him.

>

[Guest guest]

Dear sir,

 

Thank you

 

Kishore patnaik

 

, " arkaydash "

<arkaydash wrote:

>

> Dear Shree Patnaik,

> Please go ahead. We'd like to read you more on this.

>

> I too liked your other posting today, re Vivekananda etc.

>

> A snatch from that:

>

> ...Every science in this country is spiritual in nature,

> including such secular science as Medicine and such violent science

> as Archery.

>

> But there are certain sciences which indeed need to be seen in the

> spiritual frame alone and I feel Astrology is one. It requires

> nishta and vaksuddhi on the part of astrologer and I am sure an

> astrologer who does not lead a lifestyle of purity and moral values

> will not go a long way in this subject...

>

> I agree. Well-said.

>

> Warm regards,

> RK

>

>

> , " kishore mohan "

> <kishorepatnaik09@> wrote:

> >

> > dear srinivas,

> >

> > you are right to say that Das avatar depicts the evolution theory

> > of Darwin. Let me share some of my thoughts on the issue.

> >

> > The life has began billions of years ago as a spark from Oceans.

> > This is depicted in our puranas in several places.

> >

> > I often talked about Vritra and Indra's fighting on a symbolism

> > level and this is one of the symbolisms it holds. Vrtra means

> > inertia, the inertia that has been there for ages, lifeless,

> > actionless and utterly passive, so passive that there was no change

> > in any aspect for ages. Indra, perhaps a star here, Red in color

> and

> > big in size, has stuck this inertia of the seas, igniting a spark,

> > the spark of life. Incidentally, Indra literally means ignition.

> >

> > This life, ignited by Divine will or by accident, has started to

> > take a shape called a Cell. This cell became capable of independent

> > existence and behold, of growing and populating. This is called

> > amoeba.

> >

> > A fish is nothing but a great amoeba! This is symbolized in the

> > first avatar. This avatar represents the Life Force and

> > interestingly, the demon killed by the Lord in this incarnation is

> > named Somaka- the laziness or Inertia! Thus, it symbolizes the

> > beginning of life by having victory over the inertia that has been

> > there for ages.

> >

> > Lord Krishna had been an avid worshipper of matsya avatar.

> >

> > At psychological level, this avatar represents the beginning of

> > Intelligence and the eternal dilemma of man whether to be born or

> > not. At spiritual level, it indicates the birth of the urge to seek

> > of the Ultimate, as paraphrased by the famous first brahma sutra-`

> > Once the Brahma jijnasa has taken place… " (athatho brahma jijnasa)

> > Pisces, amongst signs, represents this avatar and fittingly, the

> > spiritual graha, Ketu , represents this avatar.

> >

> > The Kurma symbolizes the survival and slow proliferation of life

> > onto Land. The survival requires conformation to the nature laws

> and

> > a discipline that is imposed by the Universe. The tortoise also

> > represents imposing limits on its own self. Cancer, amongst signs

> > and Saturn in the planets represent this avatar. It also indicates

> > the responsibilities one carries in any role that one dons.

> >

> > At psychological level, it represents the development of Ideas and

> > emotions. At spiritual level, it indicates the culmination of

> > shraddha or deeksha , ie the deep determination and strength of

> > ones decision to seek the Lord.

> >

> >

> > I would post more on hearing from the group.

> >

> > regards,

> >

> > Kishore patnaik

> >

>