Guest guest Posted June 16, 2006 Report Share Posted June 16, 2006 Dear Shreenadh, Let's go about it baby step by baby step. First, Ju. Must be in Jataka Parijaata, where I have come across the rule: Ju in 2nd alone (ie singly) makes for poverty. Exception can be allowed for its lordship of the said hse. That too comes under karako...doesn't that? You mean to say: BJ doesn't follow the tenet and would like us to cross-check with Moon lagna. Meaning from Moon lagna? But what difference wil that make. What kind of countervailing effects will Moon lagna provide. Anyway, if we check from Moon we are subscribing to the rule whether 'this' kaaraka is destroying the signinfication. No getting away from it, by our this lunal resort on Varah's say-so. Vidyanaadh Suri's line is less self-contradictory. He acquiesces, but wants a peep into the stellar sub-mansion. [btw what do you think of his father's classic?] Similarly, JP. It supports, but with the rider that the Nakshatra lordship will finally decide whether a particular planet as a karaka will destroy the bhaava. How? Have you found the exact parameters of application of the rider? Now, Saturn when has Saturn promoted the bhava it occupies? And where has this Sa as karaka destroyed (or dented) the longevity when in 8th. We know there is a double apavaada here (Sa in 8th). But when has Me in 4th made for poor intellect, and Ju in 9th impoverished the higher mind (or made one irreverent towrds tradition and deviant from conduct praised in tradition)? Or for that matter Ve in 7th denied sexual pleasure, Sun in 1st created a feeble body, Ma in 3rd makes one timorous, without sibling? The 'bhaavanashaaya thing' do you for one really apply in your phalaadesha? Tell me. But we have Ju/Sa 'inverse effect' (folksy) tenet to test. Remember baby steps? Remember, there are many learners like me and possibly Vinita [who despairs astrology is not for her; I couldn't make out her chart from what you sent me in diagram (it got fragged); I see so much of her chart being discussed yet nobody reassures her that it is for her too.] RK , sree nadh <sreesog wrote: > > Dear RK ji, > You said: > ==> > The (awareness of) rule (paradigm) Panditji braoched -- Saturn's > aspect/Ju's presence -- is widespread but its classic hinterland is > murky. Let's search. > <== > There is a rule " Karako bhava nasaka " > Brihat Jataka stands against it; Jataka Parijata supports it. > Depend on Lagna or Moon sign says Brihat Jataka; Depend on many (Adhana Nakshatra, Lagna Nakshatra etc) states (in one or two slokas) Jataka Parijata. > > The people who popularize such exception rules generally depend mainly on BPHS, Jaimini Sutra and Jataka Parijata. Most of them are familiar with BPHS and Jaimini Sutra and know well what is told in it and what not. But most of them are not familiar with Jataka Parijata and it is an uncertain ground for them. > Summing it all, when ever you encounter such popular statements search for there root in Jataka Parijata. Probably you will find it there. Just some thoughts, I need to check. > > By the way, Jataka parijata is a good text, if not misinterpreted, and mixed with other systems like Jaimini. Vidyanadha Suri (The auther of Jataka Parijata) says that he is trying to brief the rules put forward in Saravali, which fundamentally tries to compliment Brihat Jataka. Thus the same applies to Jataka Parijata as well. Since Vidyanadha Suri depends on the Authentic books Brihat Jataka and Saravali the text should be valued and studied in the right sprit, with out violating the basics, and understanding the base from which he derived the arguments. We should know that if a previous text didn't said or indicated the same, Vidyanadha Suri wouldn't have made those statements. > Just giving a pointer to the untold question, " where to look for such slokas " . > Love, > Sreenadh > > arkaydash <arkaydash wrote: > > > Dear Shreenadh, > > Merely touching upon them will not do. (Forums like astrology > magazines and journals have done so in the second half of the past > century.) Our half-hearted subscription to folksy paradigm has > blunted our predictive edge, I think. > > Saturn's aspects promotes a house, tenancy hinders the growth. The > reverse holds for Jupiter. Which gives us: Ju's aspect promotes and > tenancy hampers. > > Are we to take it to be so. Ju in 7th will restrict the joy of sex, > in 8th will short-circuit longevity, in 5th will delimit happniess > from children (which is another paradigm waiting to be tested) and > so on. > > Is it true from 'our experience' that Ju's tenancy hampers a house? > Has the aspect of Sa promoted a house? We should be clear how we > have to go about applying tenets like this except when the hse in Q > is the hse owned by them (Or else, according to this rule even > exalted Ju stunt the tenanted hse) > > Panditji says: > > " I meant Guru in 7th will give one good relationship but not a > motivation to seek out more hence will stunt the growth of that > house " > > Ju in madana sthhaana should not dent it as long as it is its own, > exaltation, or even a friendly sign. Ju in strength in 7th will not > be causative of variegated -- or king's -- sexual enjoyment, because > the planet's essential nature will rein in promiscuous tendency. And > that is because of the tenet of 'gunasaadrushya' (your Presnamaarga, > my dear Shree...) > > Call it its beauty or the thrill that is Jyotisha. Which, in fact, > lies as much in sifting through the plethora as in summoning the apt > rule and subsuming it under the relevant 'arc rule'. > > The (awareness of) rule (paradigm) Panditji braoched -- Saturn's > aspect/Ju's presence -- is widespread but its classic hinterland is > murky. Let's search. And test. > > RK > > > > , sree nadh > wrote: > > > > Dear Pandit ji, > > > > ==> > > I also wanted you touch upon the paradigm that is in vougue > that " Guru hampers the significations of house he is in and Shani > extends the results of house he is in " . Do you know of any classic > that supports such a view. Lets say that there is classical support. > Even then how to read the real meaning in this statement ? > > <== > > > > Dear RK ji, > > ==> > > What kind of a Mahapurusha yoga will a planet in > > exaltation or in own sign in 7th will generate even if it is Hamsa > > Yoga or Bhadra Yoga for that matter? Malavya Yoga is > understandable. > > And then Sasa Yoga in 7th? > > <== > > > > I will write back in detail. > > > > Love, > > Sreenadh > > Panditji wrote: > > Thanks Sreenadh, > > > > Thats why jyotish is so facinating. > > > > Lets look at the 1st house and follow the 2 times 3 times > pleasure from house if graha is exalted/own house etc. Tula lagna > Shukra in 6th. Now shukra as lagna lord is exalted but also lagna > lord in 6th is not good from health standpoint. Also in this case it > is 8th lord in 6th. This will test quite a few jyotish paradigms. > > > > I also wanted you touch upon the paradigm that is in vougue > that " Guru hampers the significations of house he is in and Shani > extends the results of house he is in " . Do you know of any classic > that supports such a view. Lets say that there is classical support. > Even then how to read the real meaning in this statement ? > > > > Lets say Shani is in 7th. The way shani will give " vriddhi " ( > growth) to the house is by giving a native motivation toward the > signification of the house ( Many relationships) but never happy > with them. Lets say Guru is there, then the way Guru will stunty the > growtgh of the house is by not giving a good relationship with one > and as the person is happy with it he won't go around seeking many. > > > > ... > > > > P.S. May be we should start a new thread for discussion on > different topics > > > > > > > > arkaydash wrote: > > Dear Shreenadh, > > That's some secret sharing on your munificent part. I was curious > > which Varaha Hora you are happily citing every now and then. I > asked > > you to share them. You kept the ubiquitous Vrihat Jatak close to > > your chest. Okay. Now your Jyotishmati! I will go and raid your > Kota > > residence. > > * * * > > > > Lucid understanding, this: > > > > " ... Yes, of course, if it was ancient times. An exalted graha > > or graha > > > in own house in 7th indicates too much pleasure from ladies, and > > not a > > > frustrated married life. Such things are suited for kings or > > persons > > > who live a luxurious life (with many wives or girlfriends) and > at > > the > > > same time a successful married life. That is why it becomes a > Maha > > > Purusha Yoga. But it wrong to predict troubles related to > > married > > > life, or divorce or the like, if malefics are not aspecting 7th. > > By the > > > way an graha in own house though primarily indicate two and three > > > respectively, they can indicate the number `many' as well... " > > > > > > Would like to modify the word 'many' to 'plenty', > > The idea being sufficiency. Wotsay, Panditji? > > > > Now another aspect. What kind of a Mahapurusha yoga will a planet > in > > exaltation or in own sign in 7th will generate even if it is Hamsa > > Yoga or Bhadra Yoga for that matter? Malavya Yoga is > understandable. > > And then Sasa Yoga in 7th? > > > > RK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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