Drida and adrida karma

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Dear Shreenadh,

 

Could we have some lessons on how to determine drida and adrida karma?

 

Love,

 

Vinita

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Dear Vinita ji, Read my previous mail on the same (Dridha/Adridha variation) again. The answer is there itself. Love, Sreenadhvinita kumar <shankar_mamta wrote: Dear Shreenadh,Could we have some lessons on how to determine drida and adrida karma?Love,Vinita

[Guest guest]

Dear Shreenadh,

 

This is what you wrote about drida and adrida karma (unless it is

some other message i missed):

 

" When possibilities increases - i.e when many Yogas indicate the

same event, dasa and transit also indicate the same, then that

should (and would) happen for the common individuals. Otherwise

there was no relevance for such a system called astrology. Such

events are called Dridha Karma (Strong results indicated by past

actions) which are sure to happen. " Avasyamanubhavoktavyam Dridham

karma subhasubham " says Smiriti. Meaning, the strong results

indicated by past karma are sure to happen. But Yaga Only, Dasa

Only, Transit only, results and the results indicated only by the

twin combinations Yoga-Dasa, Yoga-Gochara, Dasa-Gochara, may not

happen if proper remedies are done, or may be even with out them,

due to the changing possibilities. Such results are called Adridha

Karma (Weak results indicated by past actions). Now in predicting

Dridha Kama (strong results), we have to analyze 1) Yoga 2) Dasa 3)

Gochara (Transit). In each of these we have to look for multiple

possibilities. i.e Apply the rule " Dwi Tri Samvada bhaval " (If 2,3

or more arguments indicate in the same direction) "

 

What i meant was - is there any other astrological distinction

between drida adrida karam apart from the *possibility of occurance

of predicted events*. The reason why i am asking this is that i

have " heard " (read it as something not substantiated by original

text) that grahas placed in upachaya houses are the ones whose

results / possible outcomes can be " altered " more easily, i.e., they

represent adrida karma. Since there are four such houses, it is said

that the extent to which we can excercise free will and change

outcomes / possibilities is roughly upto one third of total efforts.

Now, even if all the grahas are concentrated in only upachaya

houses, the upper limit is one third only because upachaya houses

represent one third of the total.

 

I want to know if this is substantiated in any ancient text.

 

Conversely, it is said, grahas in kendras represent drida karma -

the influence of which is hard to change.

 

Retro planets also represent drida karma, it is said.

 

But all this is heresay, so i wanted to know how correct these

statements are.

 

Or if there is any other way to distinguish drida from adrida karma

as reflected in the charts.

 

Love,

 

Vinita

 

 

 

, sree nadh

<sreesog wrote:

>

> Dear Vinita ji,

> Read my previous mail on the same (Dridha/Adridha variation)

again. The answer is there itself.

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> vinita kumar <shankar_mamta wrote:

> Dear Shreenadh,

>

> Could we have some lessons on how to determine drida and adrida

karma?

>

> Love,

>

> Vinita

>

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Vinita ji,

==>

Could we have some lessons on how to determine drida and adrida

karma?

<==

One more point:

• Yaga mainly indicates the results (even though to an extend

it indicate the possible period/time at which the events/results will

happen as well)

• Dasa and Gochara mainly indicate the period (time) at which

those results will fructify (even though to an extend it indicate

some possible results by themselves as well)

Results indicated by the trine Yoga-Dasa-Gochara simultaneously is –

Dridha Karma

Results indicated by Yaga Only, Dasa Only, Transit only, and the

results indicated by the twin combinations Yoga-Dasa only, Yoga-

Gochara only, Dasa-Gochara only are – Adridha Karma

The chart may indicate many results that may or may not

happen in this life. If some results are indicated by Yoga but if the

proper Dasa is not occurring then how can it fructify? Leghu Parasari

(Udu daya pradeepa) says –

" Yogeshu Kechijjayante moodha Kasmeera gardabha

Yogante kim karishyanti swa dasanam anagame "

Meaning, while good Yogas are present even donkeys may take birth,

but what is the use with them (how can they fructify) if the proper

dasa (dasa of the grahas that indicate those results) is not

occurring?

Here the text is comparing Yoga and Dasa only. Extend this

logic to cover Gochara as well to get the clear picture. Of course

all the results indicated by yoga are the results of past actions.

But which of those results will occur in this life is determined by

dasa and Gochara. We are more interested in the sure results that

will occur in this life and that is the prime reason for considering

Dridha Karma (as simultaneously indicated by Yaga-Dasa-Gochara in

predictions)

The clear method for differentiation Adridha and Dridha Karma

is to clearly understand " How to predict based on Yaga, Dasa,

Gochara " itself. There is no roundabout easy way.

==>

i have " heard " that grahas placed in upachaya houses are the ones

whose

results / possible outcomes can be " altered " more easily, i.e., they

represent adrida karma…………….. Since there are four such houses, it is

said

that the extent to which we can excercise free will and change

outcomes / possibilities is roughly upto one third of total

efforts………. Conversely, it is said, grahas in kendras represent drida

karma -

the influence of which is hard to change.

<==

The grahas in Kendras (1-4-7-10) are closely related to the

native, and the grahas in Panapara (2-5-8-11) to a lesser extend and

the grahas in Apoklima (3-6-9-12) to an even lesser extend. This in a

way indicate the time period at which this results will occur to an

extend (the planet in Kendras readily give results in the early

stages of life itself) and also to the effectiveness (to what extend

the results will influence the native) of the Yogas as well. Here you

can notice that, the Yoga in a way indicates the time period of the

fructification of the event (though not clearly).

The concept of Upachaya is in no way related to this concept.

It is the wrong mix-up of this concept with the Upachaya concept is

what lead to the wrong statement you have given above. There is no

1/3 rd rule and no ancient classic support such a concept as far as I

know. Please don't mix-up concepts (Dridha/Adridha concept, Kendra-

Panapara-Apoklima concept, Upachaya concept) and as you can see, that

will lead to wrong understandings and statements as the one stated by

you.

==>

Retro planets also represent drida karma, it is said.

<==

The retrograde of grahas and the results predicted are not at

all related to this. Retrograde increases the strength (ability to

give results) of grahas. Malefic planets mostly give bad results (as

indicated by their significance) while retrograde, and benefic

planets mostly give good results while retrograde. Saravali says-

" Vakrinastu mahaveerya graha bhagyaprada nrinam

papa vyesanada pumsam kurvanti cha vridhadanam "

Meaning, if the planets are in retrograde, they become strong, and

give good results readily (especially if they are benefics). If

malefics are in retrograde, (apart from giving some good results)

they give sadness and troubles related to actions not giving results

with minimum efforts and travel. Another sloka says – " Dasa

bhramayati kulala chakraval purusham papasya na subhasya " Meaning, if

a malefic is in retrograde, if gives trouble to the native as if he

is inside a wheel (in the proper time period at which the results can

fructify) but this is not true for benefics (the benefics give more

good results if they are retrograde) Don't confuse all these with the

Dridha-Adridha variation which is at the base to which all such

simple results adds up.

 

P.S: Please don't use the words Dridha and Adridha karma

extensively with out knowing the context that will add up to your

confusion. Restrict the use of such words while speaking about other

things. For example, While speaking about Kendra-Panapara-

Apaklima variation, Upachaya concept, Retrograde etc better not to

use the words Dridha and Adridha, we can discuss those subjects

clearly without introducing the words Dridha and Adridha here and

there. Once again, Dridha-Adridha variation is one of the concepts

that forms the base for the use of Yoga-Dasa-Gochara variation, the

Kendra-Panapara-Apoklima, Upachaya, Retrograde etc are part of the

study of Yoga (pr the tools to understand the Yogas in a better way).

When discussing such small subjects we can live without introducing

the all covering bigger concept of Dridha-Adridha variation.

 

Love,

Sreenadh

 

, " vinita kumar "

<shankar_mamta wrote:

>

> Dear Shreenadh,

>

> This is what you wrote about drida and adrida karma (unless it is

> some other message i missed):

>

> " When possibilities increases - i.e when many Yogas indicate the

> same event, dasa and transit also indicate the same, then that

> should (and would) happen for the common individuals. Otherwise

> there was no relevance for such a system called astrology. Such

> events are called Dridha Karma (Strong results indicated by past

> actions) which are sure to happen. " Avasyamanubhavoktavyam Dridham

> karma subhasubham " says Smiriti. Meaning, the strong results

> indicated by past karma are sure to happen. But Yaga Only, Dasa

> Only, Transit only, results and the results indicated only by the

> twin combinations Yoga-Dasa, Yoga-Gochara, Dasa-Gochara, may not

> happen if proper remedies are done, or may be even with out them,

> due to the changing possibilities. Such results are called Adridha

> Karma (Weak results indicated by past actions). Now in predicting

> Dridha Kama (strong results), we have to analyze 1) Yoga 2) Dasa 3)

> Gochara (Transit). In each of these we have to look for multiple

> possibilities. i.e Apply the rule " Dwi Tri Samvada bhaval " (If 2,3

> or more arguments indicate in the same direction) "

>

> What i meant was - is there any other astrological distinction

> between drida adrida karam apart from the *possibility of occurance

> of predicted events*. The reason why i am asking this is that i

> have " heard " (read it as something not substantiated by original

> text) that grahas placed in upachaya houses are the ones whose

> results / possible outcomes can be " altered " more easily, i.e.,

they

> represent adrida karma. Since there are four such houses, it is

said

> that the extent to which we can excercise free will and change

> outcomes / possibilities is roughly upto one third of total

efforts.

> Now, even if all the grahas are concentrated in only upachaya

> houses, the upper limit is one third only because upachaya houses

> represent one third of the total.

>

> I want to know if this is substantiated in any ancient text.

>

> Conversely, it is said, grahas in kendras represent drida karma -

> the influence of which is hard to change.

>

> Retro planets also represent drida karma, it is said.

>

> But all this is heresay, so i wanted to know how correct these

> statements are.

>

> Or if there is any other way to distinguish drida from adrida karma

> as reflected in the charts.

>

> Love,

>

> Vinita

>

>

>

> , sree nadh

> <sreesog@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Vinita ji,

> > Read my previous mail on the same (Dridha/Adridha variation)

> again. The answer is there itself.

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > vinita kumar <shankar_mamta@> wrote:

> > Dear Shreenadh,

> >

> > Could we have some lessons on how to determine drida and adrida

> karma?

> >

> > Love,

> >

> > Vinita

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >