Chhaya jyotishi

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Dear members,

 

I have been reading the beautifully written autobiography of the great V.Kurien "Father of the white revolution" who revolutionised milk production through the milk cooperative at Anand (Gujarat)under "AMUL" brand.

 

An interesting extract from (page 26)

 

"I too had a dream" by Verghese Kurien

 

" Around this time my friend Medora, now a chemist with the Bombay Milk Scheme's laboratory at Anand, asked me to accompany him and his brother on a rather unusual trip. His brother wanted to consult a chhaya jyotishi in Cambay. The chhaya jyotishi measured your shadow in the noonday sun, consulted his collection of ancient parchments and looked for the one that matched with the measurement of your shadow and predicted the future.

 

............

 

"After Medora's brother got his shadow 'read', they persuded me to do the same. So as not to appear a spoilsport and also for some fun I stood in the sun with the jyotishi measured my shadow. Shuffling through the bunch of parchment-like leaves, and finding what he was looking for, he read out: "You have no faith." I told him he was absolutely right: I was an atheist. Ignoring me, he continued to read out some details about my family and childhood which turned out to be absolutely accurate. He then asked me if he could read me my future. By this time I was rather intrigued so I agreed.

 

"Among the many things the jyotishi told me, a particular detail remained firmly stuck in my mind: 'You are very unhappy in your job right now but within a month you will change it and then you should just sit back and watch,' he read out. 'Your career is set for a phenomenal rise - the kind you can never imagine.' I had smiled sceptically to myself then, but in hindsight what he predicted could not have been truer. Within a month I left the government creamery to join the Kaira cooperative. The rest, as they say, is history. Till today I have not arrived at any rational explanation for the Chhaya jyotishi's prophecies. Certainly it did not turn me into a believer. I continue to have no faith in occult matters and consider this little incident as simply one of life's curious incidents."

 

Regards,Pradeep

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Dear Pradeep ji,

Good to hear that from a non believer of astrology like Verghese

Kurien.

But I am hearing about this system of " Chhaya jyotish " for the first

time! May be he was using some 'Samudrika Sastra " methods. Can you

shed some more light on this system? In whcih part of India this

method is practiced, and what is the text they depend upon? Or is it

just a traditional method?

 

Love,

Sreenadh

 

, " Pradeep "

<psd1955 wrote:

>

> Dear members,

>

> I have been reading the beautifully written autobiography of the

great V.Kurien " Father of the white revolution " who revolutionised

milk production through the milk cooperative at Anand (Gujarat)

under " AMUL " brand.

>

> An interesting extract from (page 26)

>

> " I too had a dream " by Verghese Kurien

>

> " Around this time my friend Medora, now a chemist with the Bombay

Milk Scheme's laboratory at Anand, asked me to accompany him and his

brother on a rather unusual trip. His brother wanted to consult a

chhaya jyotishi in Cambay. The chhaya jyotishi measured your shadow

in the noonday sun, consulted his collection of ancient parchments

and looked for the one that matched with the measurement of your

shadow and predicted the future.

>

> ...........

>

> " After Medora's brother got his shadow 'read', they persuded me to

do the same. So as not to appear a spoilsport and also for some fun I

stood in the sun with the jyotishi measured my shadow. Shuffling

through the bunch of parchment-like leaves, and finding what he was

looking for, he read out: " You have no faith. " I told him he was

absolutely right: I was an atheist. Ignoring me, he continued to read

out some details about my family and childhood which turned out to be

absolutely accurate. He then asked me if he could read me my future.

By this time I was rather intrigued so I agreed.

>

> " Among the many things the jyotishi told me, a particular detail

remained firmly stuck in my mind: 'You are very unhappy in your job

right now but within a month you will change it and then you should

just sit back and watch,' he read out. 'Your career is set for a

phenomenal rise - the kind you can never imagine.' I had smiled

sceptically to myself then, but in hindsight what he predicted could

not have been truer. Within a month I left the government creamery to

join the Kaira cooperative. The rest, as they say, is history. Till

today I have not arrived at any rational explanation for the Chhaya

jyotishi's prophecies. Certainly it did not turn me into a believer.

I continue to have no faith in occult matters and consider this

little incident as simply one of life's curious incidents. "

>

> Regards,

> Pradeep

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Shreenadh,

Come on, you must be aware of this shadowy thing of

futurology ,ain't you? It is in vogue in South India and most

likely in Kerala (this I will soon confirm). (And then you and I

will take a southerly trip to peep into the shadows we cast, thanks

to Sun!)

 

KN Rao (as well as BV Raman, I think) has written about it. And its

precision.

 

RK

 

, " Sreenadh "

<sreesog wrote:

>

> Dear Pradeep ji,

> Good to hear that from a non believer of astrology like Verghese

> Kurien.

> But I am hearing about this system of " Chhaya jyotish " for the

first

> time! May be he was using some 'Samudrika Sastra " methods. Can you

> shed some more light on this system? In whcih part of India this

> method is practiced, and what is the text they depend upon? Or is

it

> just a traditional method?

>

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> , " Pradeep "

> <psd1955@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear members,

> >

> > I have been reading the beautifully written autobiography of the

> great V.Kurien " Father of the white revolution " who revolutionised

> milk production through the milk cooperative at Anand (Gujarat)

> under " AMUL " brand.

> >

> > An interesting extract from (page 26)

> >

> > " I too had a dream " by Verghese Kurien

> >

> > " Around this time my friend Medora, now a chemist with the

Bombay

> Milk Scheme's laboratory at Anand, asked me to accompany him and

his

> brother on a rather unusual trip. His brother wanted to consult a

> chhaya jyotishi in Cambay. The chhaya jyotishi measured your

shadow

> in the noonday sun, consulted his collection of ancient parchments

> and looked for the one that matched with the measurement of your

> shadow and predicted the future.

> >

> > ...........

> >

> > " After Medora's brother got his shadow 'read', they persuded me

to

> do the same. So as not to appear a spoilsport and also for some

fun I

> stood in the sun with the jyotishi measured my shadow. Shuffling

> through the bunch of parchment-like leaves, and finding what he

was

> looking for, he read out: " You have no faith. " I told him he was

> absolutely right: I was an atheist. Ignoring me, he continued to

read

> out some details about my family and childhood which turned out to

be

> absolutely accurate. He then asked me if he could read me my

future.

> By this time I was rather intrigued so I agreed.

> >

> > " Among the many things the jyotishi told me, a particular detail

> remained firmly stuck in my mind: 'You are very unhappy in your

job

> right now but within a month you will change it and then you

should

> just sit back and watch,' he read out. 'Your career is set for a

> phenomenal rise - the kind you can never imagine.' I had smiled

> sceptically to myself then, but in hindsight what he predicted

could

> not have been truer. Within a month I left the government creamery

to

> join the Kaira cooperative. The rest, as they say, is history.

Till

> today I have not arrived at any rational explanation for the

Chhaya

> jyotishi's prophecies. Certainly it did not turn me into a

believer.

> I continue to have no faith in occult matters and consider this

> little incident as simply one of life's curious incidents. "

> >

> > Regards,

> > Pradeep

> >

>

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Dear Sreenadh,

 

Though I have heard about this 'shadow reading' many years ago this is the first time I have read about someone's direct experience with it (this jyotishi was from Cambay in the late 1940's).

 

I have also heard of people who make accurate predictions from the soles of the footwear from the way it is worn out by use.

 

Also I believe there are people in north Karnataka who reveal your future just from the thumb and can even cast your horoscope from the thumb.

 

Then there are predictions made by jyotishis from the way people stand/sit around them in the rasis in the imaginary chart cast around them.

 

Just like Yogi Karveji who reads the exact TOB from one's face/forehead.

 

May be there are many more of such unique and rare methods which our esteemed members can bring to our notice.

 

All this .... to say the least is very fascinating !!

 

Regards,Pradeep

 

-

 

arkaydash

Friday, June 16, 2006 11:19 PM

Re: Chhaya jyotishi

 

 

Dear Shreenadh,Come on, you must be aware of this shadowy thing of futurology ,ain't you? It is in vogue in South India and most likely in Kerala (this I will soon confirm). (And then you and I will take a southerly trip to peep into the shadows we cast, thanks to Sun!) KN Rao (as well as BV Raman, I think) has written about it. And its precision. RK , "Sreenadh" <sreesog wrote:>> Dear Pradeep ji,> Good to hear that from a non believer of astrology like Verghese > Kurien. > But I am hearing about this system of "Chhaya jyotish" for the first > time! May be he was using some 'Samudrika Sastra" methods. Can you > shed some more light on this system? In whcih part of India this > method is practiced, and what is the text they depend upon? Or is it > just a traditional method?> > Love,> Sreenadh> > , "Pradeep" > <psd1955@> wrote:> >> > Dear members,> > > > I have been reading the beautifully written autobiography of the > great V.Kurien "Father of the white revolution" who revolutionised > milk production through the milk cooperative at Anand (Gujarat)> under "AMUL" brand.> > > > An interesting extract from (page 26)> > > > "I too had a dream" by Verghese Kurien> > > > " Around this time my friend Medora, now a chemist with the Bombay > Milk Scheme's laboratory at Anand, asked me to accompany him and his > brother on a rather unusual trip. His brother wanted to consult a > chhaya jyotishi in Cambay. The chhaya jyotishi measured your shadow > in the noonday sun, consulted his collection of ancient parchments > and looked for the one that matched with the measurement of your > shadow and predicted the future.> > > > ...........> > > > "After Medora's brother got his shadow 'read', they persuded me to > do the same. So as not to appear a spoilsport and also for some fun I > stood in the sun with the jyotishi measured my shadow. Shuffling > through the bunch of parchment-like leaves, and finding what he was > looking for, he read out: "You have no faith." I told him he was > absolutely right: I was an atheist. Ignoring me, he continued to read > out some details about my family and childhood which turned out to be > absolutely accurate. He then asked me if he could read me my future. > By this time I was rather intrigued so I agreed.> > > > "Among the many things the jyotishi told me, a particular detail > remained firmly stuck in my mind: 'You are very unhappy in your job > right now but within a month you will change it and then you should > just sit back and watch,' he read out. 'Your career is set for a > phenomenal rise - the kind you can never imagine.' I had smiled > sceptically to myself then, but in hindsight what he predicted could > not have been truer. Within a month I left the government creamery to > join the Kaira cooperative. The rest, as they say, is history. Till > today I have not arrived at any rational explanation for the Chhaya > jyotishi's prophecies. Certainly it did not turn me into a believer. > I continue to have no faith in occult matters and consider this > little incident as simply one of life's curious incidents."> > > > Regards,> > Pradeep> >>

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Dear Pradeep ji, ==> I have also heard of people who make accurate predictions from the soles of the footwear from the way it is worn out by use. <== That is part of Samudrika Sastra. ==> Also I believe there are people in north Karnataka who reveal your future just from the thumb and can even cast your horoscope from the thumb. <== That is Nadi system of astrology popular in Tamilnadu (from there only it came to Karnadka as well) ==> Then there are predictions made by jyotishis from the way people stand/sit around them in the rasis in the imaginary chart cast around them. <== Read Prasnamarga. It is part of Normal system of Prasna as

well depicted in Prasnamarga. ==> Just like Yogi Karveji who reads the exact TOB from one's face/forehead. <== Part of Samudrika sastra, but there is the Psychic bit as well. ==> May be there are many more of such unique and rare methods which our esteemed members can bring to our notice. <== Yap, we are burdened with the know methods itself, since even they produce indigestion. Love, Sreenadh Pradeep <psd1955 wrote: Dear Sreenadh, Though I have heard about this 'shadow reading' many years ago this is the first time I have read about someone's direct experience with it (this jyotishi was from Cambay in the late 1940's). I have also heard of people who make accurate predictions from the soles of the footwear from the way it is worn out by use. Also I believe there are people in north Karnataka who reveal your future just from the thumb and can even cast your horoscope from the thumb. Then there are predictions made by jyotishis from the way people stand/sit

around them in the rasis in the imaginary chart cast around them. Just like Yogi Karveji who reads the exact TOB from one's face/forehead. May be there are many more of such unique and rare methods which our esteemed members can bring to our notice. All this .... to say the least is very fascinating !! Regards,Pradeep - arkaydash Friday, June 16, 2006 11:19 PM Re: Chhaya jyotishi Dear Shreenadh,Come on, you must be aware of this shadowy thing of futurology ,ain't you? It is in vogue in South India and most likely in Kerala (this I will soon confirm). (And then you and I will take a southerly trip to peep into the shadows we cast, thanks to Sun!) KN Rao (as well as BV Raman, I think) has written about it. And its precision.

RK , "Sreenadh" <sreesog wrote:>> Dear Pradeep ji,> Good to hear that from a non believer of astrology like Verghese > Kurien. > But I am hearing about this system of "Chhaya jyotish" for the first > time! May be he was using some 'Samudrika Sastra" methods. Can you > shed some more light on this system? In whcih part of India this > method is practiced, and what is the text they depend upon? Or is it > just a traditional method?> > Love,> Sreenadh> > , "Pradeep" > <psd1955@> wrote:> >> > Dear members,> > > > I have been reading the

beautifully written autobiography of the > great V.Kurien "Father of the white revolution" who revolutionised > milk production through the milk cooperative at Anand (Gujarat)> under "AMUL" brand.> > > > An interesting extract from (page 26)> > > > "I too had a dream" by Verghese Kurien> > > > " Around this time my friend Medora, now a chemist with the Bombay > Milk Scheme's laboratory at Anand, asked me to accompany him and his > brother on a rather unusual trip. His brother wanted to consult a > chhaya jyotishi in Cambay. The chhaya jyotishi measured your shadow > in the noonday sun, consulted his collection of ancient parchments > and looked for the one that matched with the measurement of your > shadow and predicted the future.> > > > ...........> > > > "After Medora's brother got his shadow

'read', they persuded me to > do the same. So as not to appear a spoilsport and also for some fun I > stood in the sun with the jyotishi measured my shadow. Shuffling > through the bunch of parchment-like leaves, and finding what he was > looking for, he read out: "You have no faith." I told him he was > absolutely right: I was an atheist. Ignoring me, he continued to read > out some details about my family and childhood which turned out to be > absolutely accurate. He then asked me if he could read me my future. > By this time I was rather intrigued so I agreed.> > > > "Among the many things the jyotishi told me, a particular detail > remained firmly stuck in my mind: 'You are very unhappy in your job > right now but within a month you will change it and then you should > just sit back and watch,' he read out. 'Your career is set for a >

phenomenal rise - the kind you can never imagine.' I had smiled > sceptically to myself then, but in hindsight what he predicted could > not have been truer. Within a month I left the government creamery to > join the Kaira cooperative. The rest, as they say, is history. Till > today I have not arrived at any rational explanation for the Chhaya > jyotishi's prophecies. Certainly it did not turn me into a believer. > I continue to have no faith in occult matters and consider this > little incident as simply one of life's curious incidents."> > > > Regards,> > Pradeep> >>

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Dear Sir, Possibly the lagnam is arrived at by measuring the "chaaya". Regards, Jagannathan.sree nadh <sreesog wrote: Dear Pradeep ji, ==> I have also heard of people who make accurate predictions from the soles of the footwear from the way it is worn out by use. <== That is part of Samudrika Sastra. ==> Also I believe there

are people in north Karnataka who reveal your future just from the thumb and can even cast your horoscope from the thumb. <== That is Nadi system of astrology popular in Tamilnadu (from there only it came to Karnadka as well) ==> Then there are predictions made by jyotishis from the way people stand/sit around them in the rasis in the imaginary chart cast around them. <== Read Prasnamarga. It is part of Normal system of Prasna as well depicted in Prasnamarga. ==> Just like Yogi Karveji who reads the exact TOB from one's face/forehead. <== Part of Samudrika sastra, but there is the Psychic bit as well. ==> May be there are many more of such unique and

rare methods which our esteemed members can bring to our notice. <== Yap, we are burdened with the know methods itself, since even they produce indigestion. Love, Sreenadh Pradeep <psd1955 wrote: Dear Sreenadh, Though I have heard about this 'shadow reading' many years ago this is the first time I have read about someone's direct experience with it (this jyotishi was from Cambay in the late 1940's). I have also heard of people who make accurate predictions from the soles of the footwear from

the way it is worn out by use. Also I believe there are people in north Karnataka who reveal your future just from the thumb and can even cast your horoscope from the thumb. Then there are predictions made by jyotishis from the way people stand/sit around them in the rasis in the imaginary chart cast around them. Just like Yogi Karveji who reads the exact TOB from one's face/forehead. May be there are many more of such unique and rare methods which our esteemed members can bring to our notice. All this .... to say the least is very fascinating !! Regards,Pradeep - arkaydash Friday, June 16, 2006 11:19 PM Re: Chhaya jyotishi Dear Shreenadh,Come on, you must be aware of this shadowy thing of futurology ,ain't you? It is in vogue in South India and most likely in Kerala (this I will soon confirm). (And then you and I will take a southerly trip to peep into the shadows we cast, thanks to Sun!) KN Rao (as well as BV Raman, I think) has written about it. And its precision. RK , "Sreenadh" <sreesog wrote:>> Dear Pradeep ji,> Good to hear that from a non believer of astrology like Verghese > Kurien. > But I am hearing about this system of "Chhaya jyotish" for the first > time! May be he was using some 'Samudrika Sastra" methods. Can you > shed some more light on this system? In whcih part of India this > method is practiced, and what is the

text they depend upon? Or is it > just a traditional method?> > Love,> Sreenadh> > , "Pradeep" > <psd1955@> wrote:> >> > Dear members,> > > > I have been reading the beautifully written autobiography of the > great V.Kurien "Father of the white revolution" who revolutionised > milk production through the milk cooperative at Anand (Gujarat)> under "AMUL" brand.> > > > An interesting extract from (page 26)> > > > "I too had a dream" by Verghese Kurien> > > > " Around this time my friend Medora, now a chemist with the Bombay > Milk Scheme's laboratory at Anand, asked me to accompany him and his > brother on a rather unusual trip. His brother wanted to

consult a > chhaya jyotishi in Cambay. The chhaya jyotishi measured your shadow > in the noonday sun, consulted his collection of ancient parchments > and looked for the one that matched with the measurement of your > shadow and predicted the future.> > > > ...........> > > > "After Medora's brother got his shadow 'read', they persuded me to > do the same. So as not to appear a spoilsport and also for some fun I > stood in the sun with the jyotishi measured my shadow. Shuffling > through the bunch of parchment-like leaves, and finding what he was > looking for, he read out: "You have no faith." I told him he was > absolutely right: I was an atheist. Ignoring me, he continued to read > out some details about my family and childhood which turned out to be > absolutely accurate. He then asked me if he could read me my future.

> By this time I was rather intrigued so I agreed.> > > > "Among the many things the jyotishi told me, a particular detail > remained firmly stuck in my mind: 'You are very unhappy in your job > right now but within a month you will change it and then you should > just sit back and watch,' he read out. 'Your career is set for a > phenomenal rise - the kind you can never imagine.' I had smiled > sceptically to myself then, but in hindsight what he predicted could > not have been truer. Within a month I left the government creamery to > join the Kaira cooperative. The rest, as they say, is history. Till > today I have not arrived at any rational explanation for the Chhaya > jyotishi's prophecies. Certainly it did not turn me into a believer. > I continue to have no faith in occult matters and consider this > little incident as simply one of

life's curious incidents."> > > > Regards,> > Pradeep> >> Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min.

Jagannathan .

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Dear Jagannathan ji,

You could be right - lagna (better we should use the word Arudha)

can be arrived at by measuring the chaaya and then implementing some

mathematical methods. That is a possibility, and then the total

Prasna system can be super imposed on it. But is there any classic

that describe such a method?

Love,

Sreenadh

 

, kapisthalam

jagannathan <jagannathankr wrote:

>

> Dear Sir,

> Possibly the lagnam is arrived at by measuring the " chaaya " .

> Regards,

> Jagannathan.

>

> sree nadh <sreesog wrote:

> Dear Pradeep ji,

> ==>

> I have also heard of people who make accurate predictions from

the soles of the footwear from the way it is worn out by use.

> <==

> That is part of Samudrika Sastra.

> ==>

> Also I believe there are people in north Karnataka who reveal

your future just from the thumb and can even cast your horoscope

from the thumb.

> <==

> That is Nadi system of astrology popular in Tamilnadu (from

there only it came to Karnadka as well)

> ==>

> Then there are predictions made by jyotishis from the way people

stand/sit around them in the rasis in the imaginary chart cast around

them.

> <==

> Read Prasnamarga. It is part of Normal system of Prasna as well

depicted in Prasnamarga.

> ==>

> Just like Yogi Karveji who reads the exact TOB from one's

face/forehead.

> <==

> Part of Samudrika sastra, but there is the Psychic bit as well.

> ==>

> May be there are many more of such unique and rare methods which

our esteemed members can bring to our notice.

> <==

> Yap, we are burdened with the know methods itself, since even

they produce indigestion.

>

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> Pradeep <psd1955 wrote:

> Dear Sreenadh,

>

> Though I have heard about this 'shadow reading' many years ago

this is the first time I have read about someone's direct experience

with it (this jyotishi was from Cambay in the late 1940's).

>

> I have also heard of people who make accurate predictions from

the soles of the footwear from the way it is worn out by use.

>

> Also I believe there are people in north Karnataka who reveal

your future just from the thumb and can even cast your horoscope

from the thumb.

>

> Then there are predictions made by jyotishis from the way people

stand/sit around them in the rasis in the imaginary chart cast around

them.

>

> Just like Yogi Karveji who reads the exact TOB from one's

face/forehead.

>

> May be there are many more of such unique and rare methods which

our esteemed members can bring to our notice.

>

> All this .... to say the least is very fascinating !!

>

> Regards,

> Pradeep

>

> -

> arkaydash

>

> Friday, June 16, 2006 11:19 PM

> Re: Chhaya jyotishi

>

>

> Dear Shreenadh,

> Come on, you must be aware of this shadowy thing of

> futurology ,ain't you? It is in vogue in South India and most

> likely in Kerala (this I will soon confirm). (And then you and I

> will take a southerly trip to peep into the shadows we cast, thanks

> to Sun!)

>

> KN Rao (as well as BV Raman, I think) has written about it. And its

> precision.

>

> RK

>

> , " Sreenadh "

> <sreesog@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Pradeep ji,

> > Good to hear that from a non believer of astrology like Verghese

> > Kurien.

> > But I am hearing about this system of " Chhaya jyotish " for the

> first

> > time! May be he was using some 'Samudrika Sastra " methods. Can

you

> > shed some more light on this system? In whcih part of India this

> > method is practiced, and what is the text they depend upon? Or is

> it

> > just a traditional method?

> >

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > , " Pradeep "

> > <psd1955@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear members,

> > >

> > > I have been reading the beautifully written autobiography of

the

> > great V.Kurien " Father of the white revolution " who

revolutionised

> > milk production through the milk cooperative at Anand (Gujarat)

> > under " AMUL " brand.

> > >

> > > An interesting extract from (page 26)

> > >

> > > " I too had a dream " by Verghese Kurien

> > >

> > > " Around this time my friend Medora, now a chemist with the

> Bombay

> > Milk Scheme's laboratory at Anand, asked me to accompany him and

> his

> > brother on a rather unusual trip. His brother wanted to consult a

> > chhaya jyotishi in Cambay. The chhaya jyotishi measured your

> shadow

> > in the noonday sun, consulted his collection of ancient

parchments

> > and looked for the one that matched with the measurement of your

> > shadow and predicted the future.

> > >

> > > ...........

> > >

> > > " After Medora's brother got his shadow 'read', they persuded me

> to

> > do the same. So as not to appear a spoilsport and also for some

> fun I

> > stood in the sun with the jyotishi measured my shadow. Shuffling

> > through the bunch of parchment-like leaves, and finding what he

> was

> > looking for, he read out: " You have no faith. " I told him he was

> > absolutely right: I was an atheist. Ignoring me, he continued to

> read

> > out some details about my family and childhood which turned out

to

> be

> > absolutely accurate. He then asked me if he could read me my

> future.

> > By this time I was rather intrigued so I agreed.

> > >

> > > " Among the many things the jyotishi told me, a particular

detail

> > remained firmly stuck in my mind: 'You are very unhappy in your

> job

> > right now but within a month you will change it and then you

> should

> > just sit back and watch,' he read out. 'Your career is set for a

> > phenomenal rise - the kind you can never imagine.' I had smiled

> > sceptically to myself then, but in hindsight what he predicted

> could

> > not have been truer. Within a month I left the government

creamery

> to

> > join the Kaira cooperative. The rest, as they say, is history.

> Till

> > today I have not arrived at any rational explanation for the

> Chhaya

> > jyotishi's prophecies. Certainly it did not turn me into a

> believer.

> > I continue to have no faith in occult matters and consider this

> > little incident as simply one of life's curious incidents. "

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Pradeep

> > >

>

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Dear Sir. I am happy to see your kind reply..In the good olden days ,if my memory is right and subject to verification, people used to arrive at Janma lagnam by measuring shadow. A very interesting and connected incident is that once I went to Kancheepuram of Tamil Nadu ie a place near Chennai,along with one of my friends to get a "Nadi Reading" about his brother as his brother was then kept under custody of the police. We could not produce his thumb impression ,obviously, to the Nadi reader. As then I knew only the lagnam of that person I could tell the Nadi reader only the Janma Lagnam of that gentleman.Astoundingly the Nadi reader after going through the "Index" leaves picked up the Nadi-Leaf of my friends brother.He then drew the map of heavens of that person and readout every detail of him meticulously to our utter amazment.His Janma Lagnam was "Thula Lagnam". He

said that at that point of time the native would be under the custody of police.,thatvery important persons and officers would help the native to come out of the mess,etc.Indeed things happened so later. I came across one interesting method to arrive at lagnam etc.Let us take a males horoscope for our study.If Jupiter venus and "Sathamadhipathy" are placed in the three Sthirarasis or at angles to eachother anywhere,then one of such rasis which may be at angles to the rest of rasis where Jupiter,Venus and "Sapthamadhipathy" are situated, will be the JanmaLagnam or Janma rasi of the would wife.I request those who have curiosity or interest to verify the same with reference to actual charts. Astrologers at the helm are yet to have even an iota of an idea as to how such a fete could be done.?or achieved.Of course they may be trying wholeheartedly.Perhaps they are not disclosing their

secrets. regards, jagannathan.Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: Dear Jagannathan ji,You could be right - lagna (better we should use the word Arudha) can be arrived at by measuring the chaaya and then implementing some mathematical methods. That is a possibility, and then the total Prasna system can be super imposed on it. But is there any classic that describe such a method?Love,Sreenadh , kapisthalam jagannathan <jagannathankr wrote:>> Dear Sir,> Possibly the lagnam is arrived at by measuring the "chaaya".> Regards,> Jagannathan.> > sree nadh <sreesog wrote:> Dear Pradeep ji,> ==>> I have also heard of people who make accurate predictions from the soles of the footwear from the way it is worn out by use. > <==> That is part of Samudrika Sastra.> ==>> Also I believe there are people in north Karnataka who reveal your future just from the thumb and can even cast your horoscope from the thumb. > <==> That is Nadi system of astrology popular in Tamilnadu (from there only it came to Karnadka as well)> ==>> Then there are predictions made by jyotishis from

the way people stand/sit around them in the rasis in the imaginary chart cast around them.> <==> Read Prasnamarga. It is part of Normal system of Prasna as well depicted in Prasnamarga.> ==>> Just like Yogi Karveji who reads the exact TOB from one's face/forehead.> <==> Part of Samudrika sastra, but there is the Psychic bit as well.> ==>> May be there are many more of such unique and rare methods which our esteemed members can bring to our notice.> <==> Yap, we are burdened with the know methods itself, since even they produce indigestion. > > Love,> Sreenadh> > Pradeep <psd1955 wrote:> Dear Sreenadh,> > Though I have heard about this 'shadow reading' many years ago this is the first time I have read about someone's direct experience with it (this jyotishi was from Cambay in the late

1940's).> > I have also heard of people who make accurate predictions from the soles of the footwear from the way it is worn out by use. > > Also I believe there are people in north Karnataka who reveal your future just from the thumb and can even cast your horoscope from the thumb. > > Then there are predictions made by jyotishis from the way people stand/sit around them in the rasis in the imaginary chart cast around them.> > Just like Yogi Karveji who reads the exact TOB from one's face/forehead.> > May be there are many more of such unique and rare methods which our esteemed members can bring to our notice.> > All this .... to say the least is very fascinating !!> > Regards,> Pradeep> > - > arkaydash > > Friday, June 16, 2006 11:19 PM> Re: Chhaya jyotishi> > > Dear Shreenadh,> Come on, you must be aware of this shadowy thing of > futurology ,ain't you? It is in vogue in South India and most > likely in Kerala (this I will soon confirm). (And then you and I > will take a southerly trip to peep into the shadows we cast, thanks > to Sun!) > > KN Rao (as well as BV Raman, I think) has written about it. And its > precision. > > RK> > , "Sreenadh" > <sreesog@> wrote:> >> > Dear Pradeep ji,> > Good to hear that from a non believer

of astrology like Verghese > > Kurien. > > But I am hearing about this system of "Chhaya jyotish" for the > first > > time! May be he was using some 'Samudrika Sastra" methods. Can you > > shed some more light on this system? In whcih part of India this > > method is practiced, and what is the text they depend upon? Or is > it > > just a traditional method?> > > > Love,> > Sreenadh> > > > , "Pradeep" > > <psd1955@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear members,> > > > > > I have been reading the beautifully written autobiography of the > > great V.Kurien "Father of the white revolution" who revolutionised > > milk production through the milk

cooperative at Anand (Gujarat)> > under "AMUL" brand.> > > > > > An interesting extract from (page 26)> > > > > > "I too had a dream" by Verghese Kurien> > > > > > " Around this time my friend Medora, now a chemist with the > Bombay > > Milk Scheme's laboratory at Anand, asked me to accompany him and > his > > brother on a rather unusual trip. His brother wanted to consult a > > chhaya jyotishi in Cambay. The chhaya jyotishi measured your > shadow > > in the noonday sun, consulted his collection of ancient parchments > > and looked for the one that matched with the measurement of your > > shadow and predicted the future.> > > > > > ...........> > > > > > "After Medora's brother got his shadow 'read', they persuded me > to > > do the

same. So as not to appear a spoilsport and also for some > fun I > > stood in the sun with the jyotishi measured my shadow. Shuffling > > through the bunch of parchment-like leaves, and finding what he > was > > looking for, he read out: "You have no faith." I told him he was > > absolutely right: I was an atheist. Ignoring me, he continued to > read > > out some details about my family and childhood which turned out to > be > > absolutely accurate. He then asked me if he could read me my > future. > > By this time I was rather intrigued so I agreed.> > > > > > "Among the many things the jyotishi told me, a particular detail > > remained firmly stuck in my mind: 'You are very unhappy in your > job > > right now but within a month you will change it and then you > should > > just sit back and

watch,' he read out. 'Your career is set for a > > phenomenal rise - the kind you can never imagine.' I had smiled > > sceptically to myself then, but in hindsight what he predicted > could > > not have been truer. Within a month I left the government creamery > to > > join the Kaira cooperative. The rest, as they say, is history. > Till > > today I have not arrived at any rational explanation for the > Chhaya > > jyotishi's prophecies. Certainly it did not turn me into a > believer. > > I continue to have no faith in occult matters and consider this > > little incident as simply one of life's curious incidents."> > > > > > Regards,> > > Pradeep> > >> >> > > > > > > Talk is cheap. Use

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Dear jagannathan ji, ==> I came across one interesting method to arrive at lagnam etc.Let us take a males horoscope for our study.If Jupiter venus and "Sathamadhipathy" are placed in the three Sthirarasis or at angles to eachother anywhere,then one of such rasis which may be at angles to the rest of rasis where Jupiter,Venus and "Sapthamadhipathy" are situated, will be the JanmaLagnam or Janma rasi of the would wife.I request those who have curiosity or interest to verify the same with reference to actual charts. <== Will you please clarify - we will check it in actual horoscopes. As I understand, you said - if Ju, Ve, 7th lord are in Kendras (1-4-7-10) to each other ; or at angle to each other (i.e in trines or the like 1-5-9 etc); then the Lagna or Moon sign of the wife would be one of those Signs. For example if in a male horoscope, if Ar (Mesha) is Lagna Ve is in Le (Simha), Ju is in Sc (Vrischika), Ma is in Aq (Kumbha) then :- Le (Simha), Sc (Vrischika) or Aq (Kumbha) should be the Lagna or Moon sign of the wife. Right? Am I understanding the method given by you correctly? Please clarify these doubts and we will proceed to verify this method in actual horoscopes. But as could be seen from the strict condition put forward (Ju, Ve and 7th lord should be at an fixed angle to each other) this method would be applicable only to some horoscopes. But still it seems interesting - if proved right. Thanks for the knowledge sharing. Please don't call me sir. You can use the names itself (may be with a ji) to address any member of the group.

Thank you very much for sharing the knowledge. ==> In the good olden days ,if my memory is right and subject to verification, people used to arrive at Janma lagnam by measuring shadow. <== But, here (may be) you are mentioning the measuring of the shadow of pole which was used to calculate the time. Am I right? But pradeep ji was mentioning about measuring the shadow of the native by the astrologer and making predictions based on that. Is there a difference of understanding? Thanks for informing us about the amazing

accuracy of the Nadi system in good old days. Some moths before I went to Vaiteeswaram Koil but I couldn't find a good Nadi reader who still depends of Nadi leaves. (I have tested had the reading from almost 5 of them, and many were reluctant to read may since from the beginning conversation they felt that I am searching for the original system. The Nadi readers I got readings include Siva swami, Poosamuthu etc, the famous readers in the current stage of the system. But sorry to say, they are not depending on Nadi leaves now a days) ==> Astrologers at the helm are yet to have even an iota of an idea as to how such a fete could be done.?or achieved.Of course they may be trying

wholeheartedly.Perhaps they are not disclosing their secrets. <== May be - Thanks again. We look forward to learn a lot more from you. P.S. I have seen the reading you have done for Pradeep ji. It seems that you depend very much on Jaimini system of astrology as well. Please teach us by analysing some horoscopes based on that as well when the chance comes. By the way are you from Kerala? Love, Sreenadh kapisthalam jagannathan

<jagannathankr wrote: Dear Sir. I am happy to see your kind reply..In the good olden days ,if my memory is right and subject to verification, people used to arrive at Janma lagnam by measuring shadow. A very interesting and connected incident is that once I went to Kancheepuram of Tamil Nadu ie a place near Chennai,along with one of my friends to get a "Nadi Reading" about his brother as his brother was then kept under custody of the police. We could not produce his thumb impression ,obviously, to the Nadi reader. As then I knew only the lagnam of that person I could tell the Nadi reader only the Janma Lagnam of that gentleman.Astoundingly the Nadi reader after going through the "Index" leaves picked up the Nadi-Leaf of my friends brother.He then drew the

map of heavens of that person and readout every detail of him meticulously to our utter amazment.His Janma Lagnam was "Thula Lagnam". He said that at that point of time the native would be under the custody of police.,thatvery important persons and officers would help the native to come out of the mess,etc.Indeed things happened so later. I came across one interesting method to arrive at lagnam etc.Let us take a males horoscope for our study.If Jupiter venus and "Sathamadhipathy" are placed in the three Sthirarasis or at angles to eachother anywhere,then one of such rasis which may be at angles to the rest of rasis where Jupiter,Venus and "Sapthamadhipathy" are situated, will be the JanmaLagnam or Janma rasi of the would wife.I request those who have curiosity or interest to verify the same with reference to actual charts. Astrologers at the helm are

yet to have even an iota of an idea as to how such a fete could be done.?or achieved.Of course they may be trying wholeheartedly.Perhaps they are not disclosing their secrets. regards, jagannathan.Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: Dear Jagannathan ji,You could be right - lagna (better we should use the word Arudha) can be arrived at by measuring the chaaya and then implementing some mathematical methods. That is a possibility, and then the total Prasna system can be super imposed on it. But is there any classic that describe such a method?Love,Sreenadh , kapisthalam jagannathan <jagannathankr

wrote:>> Dear Sir,> Possibly the lagnam is arrived at by measuring the "chaaya".> Regards,> Jagannathan.> > sree nadh <sreesog wrote:> Dear Pradeep ji,> ==>> I have also heard of people who make accurate predictions from the soles of the footwear from the way it is worn out by use. > <==> That is part of Samudrika Sastra.> ==>> Also I believe there are people in north Karnataka who reveal your future just from the thumb and can even cast your horoscope from the thumb. > <==> That is Nadi system of astrology popular in Tamilnadu (from there only it came to Karnadka as well)> ==>> Then there are predictions made by jyotishis from the way people stand/sit around them in the rasis in the imaginary chart cast around them.> <==> Read Prasnamarga. It is part of Normal system of Prasna

as well depicted in Prasnamarga.> ==>> Just like Yogi Karveji who reads the exact TOB from one's face/forehead.> <==> Part of Samudrika sastra, but there is the Psychic bit as well.> ==>> May be there are many more of such unique and rare methods which our esteemed members can bring to our notice.> <==> Yap, we are burdened with the know methods itself, since even they produce indigestion. > > Love,> Sreenadh> > Pradeep <psd1955 wrote:> Dear Sreenadh,> > Though I have heard about this 'shadow reading' many years ago this is the first time I have read about someone's direct experience with it (this jyotishi was from Cambay in the late 1940's).> > I have also heard of people who make accurate predictions from the soles of the footwear from the way it is worn out by use. > > Also I

believe there are people in north Karnataka who reveal your future just from the thumb and can even cast your horoscope from the thumb. > > Then there are predictions made by jyotishis from the way people stand/sit around them in the rasis in the imaginary chart cast around them.> > Just like Yogi Karveji who reads the exact TOB from one's face/forehead.> > May be there are many more of such unique and rare methods which our esteemed members can bring to our notice.> > All this .... to say the least is very fascinating !!> > Regards,> Pradeep> > - > arkaydash > > Friday, June 16, 2006 11:19 PM> Re: Chhaya jyotishi> >

> Dear Shreenadh,> Come on, you must be aware of this shadowy thing of > futurology ,ain't you? It is in vogue in South India and most > likely in Kerala (this I will soon confirm). (And then you and I > will take a southerly trip to peep into the shadows we cast, thanks > to Sun!) > > KN Rao (as well as BV Raman, I think) has written about it. And its > precision. > > RK> > , "Sreenadh" > <sreesog@> wrote:> >> > Dear Pradeep ji,> > Good to hear that from a non believer of astrology like Verghese > > Kurien. > > But I am hearing about this system of "Chhaya jyotish" for the > first > > time! May be he was using some 'Samudrika Sastra" methods. Can you > > shed

some more light on this system? In whcih part of India this > > method is practiced, and what is the text they depend upon? Or is > it > > just a traditional method?> > > > Love,> > Sreenadh> > > > , "Pradeep" > > <psd1955@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear members,> > > > > > I have been reading the beautifully written autobiography of the > > great V.Kurien "Father of the white revolution" who revolutionised > > milk production through the milk cooperative at Anand (Gujarat)> > under "AMUL" brand.> > > > > > An interesting extract from (page 26)> > > > > > "I too had a dream" by Verghese Kurien> > > > >

> " Around this time my friend Medora, now a chemist with the > Bombay > > Milk Scheme's laboratory at Anand, asked me to accompany him and > his > > brother on a rather unusual trip. His brother wanted to consult a > > chhaya jyotishi in Cambay. The chhaya jyotishi measured your > shadow > > in the noonday sun, consulted his collection of ancient parchments > > and looked for the one that matched with the measurement of your > > shadow and predicted the future.> > > > > > ...........> > > > > > "After Medora's brother got his shadow 'read', they persuded me > to > > do the same. So as not to appear a spoilsport and also for some > fun I > > stood in the sun with the jyotishi measured my shadow. Shuffling > > through the bunch of parchment-like leaves, and finding what he > was

> > looking for, he read out: "You have no faith." I told him he was > > absolutely right: I was an atheist. Ignoring me, he continued to > read > > out some details about my family and childhood which turned out to > be > > absolutely accurate. He then asked me if he could read me my > future. > > By this time I was rather intrigued so I agreed.> > > > > > "Among the many things the jyotishi told me, a particular detail > > remained firmly stuck in my mind: 'You are very unhappy in your > job > > right now but within a month you will change it and then you > should > > just sit back and watch,' he read out. 'Your career is set for a > > phenomenal rise - the kind you can never imagine.' I had smiled > > sceptically to myself then, but in hindsight what he predicted > could > > not have

been truer. Within a month I left the government creamery > to > > join the Kaira cooperative. The rest, as they say, is history. > Till > > today I have not arrived at any rational explanation for the > Chhaya > > jyotishi's prophecies. Certainly it did not turn me into a > believer. > > I continue to have no faith in occult matters and consider this > > little incident as simply one of life's curious incidents."> > > > > > Regards,> > > Pradeep> > >> >> > > > > > > Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. > > > > > > > > Jagannathan .> Jagannathan .

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Dear Sreenadhji, I am happy to read your kind and well considered mail and reflections on what I wrote in my mail. I am sixty three now by age.You are the pillars of this "Great Science of Astrology"I pray to God that you sjould be greatly successful in doing further reasearch and to disseminate the divine knowledge of Astrology.to one and all. Please find my replies at the places where you have asked me to explain further.,below. Regards, Jagannathan.sree nadh <sreesog wrote: Dear jagannathan ji, ==> I came across one interesting method to arrive at lagnam etc.Let us take a males horoscope for our study.If Jupiter venus and "Sathamadhipathy" are placed in the three Sthirarasis or at angles to eachother anywhere,then one of such rasis which may be at angles to the rest of rasis where Jupiter,Venus and "Sapthamadhipathy" are situated, will be the JanmaLagnam or Janma rasi of the would wife.I request those who have curiosity or interest to verify the same with reference to actual charts. <== Will you please clarify - we will

check it in actual horoscopes. As I understand, you said - if Ju, Ve, 7th lord are in Kendras (1-4-7-10) to each other ; or at angle to each other The above part of the statement is right. (i.e in trines or the like 1-5-9 etc); This part may not be viable.It may not work. then the Lagna or Moon sign of the wife would be one of those Signs. For example if in a male horoscope, if Ar (Mesha) is Lagna Ve is in Le (Simha), Ju is in Sc (Vrischika), Ma is in Aq (Kumbha) then :- Le (Simha), Sc (Vrischika) or Aq (Kumbha) After "Kumbha" you have to include Rishabham. should be the Lagna or Moon sign of the wife. Right? Am I understanding the method given by you correctly? Please clarify these doubts and we will proceed to verify this method in actual horoscopes. Kindly verify and let us see whether it works. But as could be seen from the strict condition put forward (Ju, Ve and 7th lord should be at an fixed angle to each other) this method would be applicable only to some horoscopes. But still it seems interesting - if proved right. Thanks for the knowledge sharing. To that extent we will be benefitted as Atrologers and predict confidently.?Again it may not

work with all the one hundred cases.For instance as per "Pambu Panchangam" Shani may be shown to occupy a certain sign.But according to Dr.B.V.Raman or other modern astrologers Shani may not be shown to be in the same sign for the same person?. Please don't call me sir. It is a mark of respect which I have to show to you duty bound?. You can use the names itself (may be with a ji) to address any member of the group. Thank you very much for sharing the knowledge. ==> In the good olden days ,if my memory is right and subject to verification, people used to arrive at Janma lagnam by measuring shadow. <== But, here (may be) you are mentioning the measuring of the shadow of pole which was used to calculate the time. Am I right? But pradeep ji was mentioning about measuring the shadow of the native by the astrologer and making predictions based on that. Is there a difference of understanding? Agood friend of mine is a native astrologer.Let me find out from him also. Thanks for informing us about the amazing accuracy of the Nadi system in good old days. Some moths before I went to Vaiteeswaram Koil but I couldn't find a good Nadi reader who still depends of Nadi leaves. (I have tested had the reading from almost 5 of them, and many were reluctant to read may since from the beginning conversation they felt that I am searching for the original system. The Nadi readers I got readings include Siva swami, Poosamuthu etc, the famous readers in the current stage of the system. But sorry to say, they are not depending on Nadi leaves now a days) A photograph of a Nadi leaf with writings is shown in naadindia.com This is possibly a original leaf.?we may have to take for granted.? You are right.Inrecent times I had no occasion to consult any Nadi reader.These days people are after making money.?Fakes are there in every walk of life.? ==> Astrologers at the helm are yet to have even an iota of an idea as to how such a fete could be done.?or achieved.Of course they may be trying wholeheartedly.Perhaps they are not disclosing their secrets. <== May be - Thanks again. We look forward to learn a lot more from you. P.S. I have seen the reading you have done for Pradeep ji. It seems that you depend very much on Jaimini system of astrology as well. Please teach us by analysing some horoscopes based on that as well when the chance comes. By the way are you from Kerala? Sir, I am not from Kerala.I am from Chittoor district.I always like to be in the last in the que ue of others. Love, Sreenadh kapisthalam jagannathan <jagannathankr wrote: Dear Sir. I am happy to see your kind reply..In the good olden days ,if my memory is right and subject to verification, people used to arrive at Janma lagnam by measuring shadow. A very interesting and connected incident is that once I went to Kancheepuram of Tamil Nadu ie a place near Chennai,along with one of my friends to get a "Nadi Reading" about his brother as his brother was then kept under custody of the police. We could not produce his thumb impression ,obviously, to the Nadi reader. As then I knew only the lagnam of that person I could tell the Nadi reader only the Janma Lagnam of that gentleman.Astoundingly the Nadi reader after going through the "Index" leaves picked up the Nadi-Leaf of my friends brother.He then

drew the map of heavens of that person and readout every detail of him meticulously to our utter amazment.His Janma Lagnam was "Thula Lagnam". He said that at that point of time the native would be under the custody of police.,thatvery important persons and officers would help the native to come out of the mess,etc.Indeed things happened so later. I came across one interesting method to arrive at lagnam etc.Let us take a males horoscope for our study.If Jupiter venus and "Sathamadhipathy" are placed in the three Sthirarasis or at angles to eachother anywhere,then one of such rasis which may be at angles to the rest of rasis where Jupiter,Venus and "Sapthamadhipathy" are situated, will be the JanmaLagnam or Janma rasi of the would wife.I request those who have curiosity or interest to verify the same with reference to actual charts. Astrologers at the

helm are yet to have even an iota of an idea as to how such a fete could be done.?or achieved.Of course they may be trying wholeheartedly.Perhaps they are not disclosing their secrets. regards, jagannathan.Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: Dear Jagannathan ji,You could be right - lagna (better we should use the word Arudha) can be arrived at by measuring the chaaya and then implementing some mathematical methods. That is a possibility, and then the total Prasna system can be super imposed on it. But is there any classic that describe such a method?Love,Sreenadh , kapisthalam jagannathan <jagannathankr wrote:>> Dear Sir,>

Possibly the lagnam is arrived at by measuring the "chaaya".> Regards,> Jagannathan.> > sree nadh <sreesog wrote:> Dear Pradeep ji,> ==>> I have also heard of people who make accurate predictions from the soles of the footwear from the way it is worn out by use. > <==> That is part of Samudrika Sastra.> ==>> Also I believe there are people in north Karnataka who reveal your future just from the thumb and can even cast your horoscope from the thumb. > <==> That is Nadi system of astrology popular in Tamilnadu (from there only it came to Karnadka as well)> ==>> Then there are predictions made by jyotishis from the way people stand/sit around them in the rasis in the imaginary chart cast around them.> <==> Read Prasnamarga. It is part of Normal system of Prasna as well depicted in

Prasnamarga.> ==>> Just like Yogi Karveji who reads the exact TOB from one's face/forehead.> <==> Part of Samudrika sastra, but there is the Psychic bit as well.> ==>> May be there are many more of such unique and rare methods which our esteemed members can bring to our notice.> <==> Yap, we are burdened with the know methods itself, since even they produce indigestion. > > Love,> Sreenadh> > Pradeep <psd1955 wrote:> Dear Sreenadh,> > Though I have heard about this 'shadow reading' many years ago this is the first time I have read about someone's direct experience with it (this jyotishi was from Cambay in the late 1940's).> > I have also heard of people who make accurate predictions from the soles of the footwear from the way it is worn out by use. > > Also I believe there are

people in north Karnataka who reveal your future just from the thumb and can even cast your horoscope from the thumb. > > Then there are predictions made by jyotishis from the way people stand/sit around them in the rasis in the imaginary chart cast around them.> > Just like Yogi Karveji who reads the exact TOB from one's face/forehead.> > May be there are many more of such unique and rare methods which our esteemed members can bring to our notice.> > All this .... to say the least is very fascinating !!> > Regards,> Pradeep> > - > arkaydash > > Friday, June 16, 2006 11:19 PM> Re: Chhaya jyotishi> > > Dear

Shreenadh,> Come on, you must be aware of this shadowy thing of > futurology ,ain't you? It is in vogue in South India and most > likely in Kerala (this I will soon confirm). (And then you and I > will take a southerly trip to peep into the shadows we cast, thanks > to Sun!) > > KN Rao (as well as BV Raman, I think) has written about it. And its > precision. > > RK> > , "Sreenadh" > <sreesog@> wrote:> >> > Dear Pradeep ji,> > Good to hear that from a non believer of astrology like Verghese > > Kurien. > > But I am hearing about this system of "Chhaya jyotish" for the > first > > time! May be he was using some 'Samudrika Sastra" methods. Can you > > shed some more light

on this system? In whcih part of India this > > method is practiced, and what is the text they depend upon? Or is > it > > just a traditional method?> > > > Love,> > Sreenadh> > > > , "Pradeep" > > <psd1955@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear members,> > > > > > I have been reading the beautifully written autobiography of the > > great V.Kurien "Father of the white revolution" who revolutionised > > milk production through the milk cooperative at Anand (Gujarat)> > under "AMUL" brand.> > > > > > An interesting extract from (page 26)> > > > > > "I too had a dream" by Verghese Kurien> > > > > > " Around

this time my friend Medora, now a chemist with the > Bombay > > Milk Scheme's laboratory at Anand, asked me to accompany him and > his > > brother on a rather unusual trip. His brother wanted to consult a > > chhaya jyotishi in Cambay. The chhaya jyotishi measured your > shadow > > in the noonday sun, consulted his collection of ancient parchments > > and looked for the one that matched with the measurement of your > > shadow and predicted the future.> > > > > > ...........> > > > > > "After Medora's brother got his shadow 'read', they persuded me > to > > do the same. So as not to appear a spoilsport and also for some > fun I > > stood in the sun with the jyotishi measured my shadow. Shuffling > > through the bunch of parchment-like leaves, and finding what he > was > > looking

for, he read out: "You have no faith." I told him he was > > absolutely right: I was an atheist. Ignoring me, he continued to > read > > out some details about my family and childhood which turned out to > be > > absolutely accurate. He then asked me if he could read me my > future. > > By this time I was rather intrigued so I agreed.> > > > > > "Among the many things the jyotishi told me, a particular detail > > remained firmly stuck in my mind: 'You are very unhappy in your > job > > right now but within a month you will change it and then you > should > > just sit back and watch,' he read out. 'Your career is set for a > > phenomenal rise - the kind you can never imagine.' I had smiled > > sceptically to myself then, but in hindsight what he predicted > could > > not have been truer. Within a

month I left the government creamery > to > > join the Kaira cooperative. The rest, as they say, is history. > Till > > today I have not arrived at any rational explanation for the > Chhaya > > jyotishi's prophecies. Certainly it did not turn me into a > believer. > > I continue to have no faith in occult matters and consider this > > little incident as simply one of life's curious incidents."> > > > > > Regards,> > > Pradeep> > >> >> > > > > > > Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. > > > > > > > > Jagannathan .> Jagannathan . Sports Fantasy Football ’06 - Go with the leader. Start your league today!

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Dear Jagannadhan ji,

While re-reading my previous mail, I have noticed that, I committed

a typo in one of the statements. In the example I putforward I said-

==>

if in a male horoscope, if Ar (Mesha) is Lagna Ve is in Le (Simha),

Ju is in Sc (Vrischika), Ma is in Aq (Kumbha) then :-

Le (Simha), Sc (Vrischika) or Aq (Kumbha) should be the Lagna or Moon

sign of the wife.

<==

This was an erroneous example. (Following the words of Jagannadhan

ji) What I wanted to say was that-

 

==>

if in a male horoscope, FOR TA (RISHABHA)OR LI (TULA) LAGNA IF Ve

is in Le (Simha), Ju is in Sc (Vrischika), Ma is in Aq (Kumbha) then

Le (Simha), Sc (Vrischika), Aq (Kumbha)OR TA (RISHABHA) should be the

Lagna or Moon sign of the wife.

<==

Please note the difference in the words given in caps.

 

Thus as per the words of Jagannathan ji, " if Ju, Ve, 7th lord are in

Kendras (1-4-7-10) to each other then the Lagna or Moon sign of the

wife would be one of those four Signs " .

Dear friends can anybody come up with some example horoscopes (of

husband and wife) of couples in which at least one the horoscopes

fulfills this condition. Let us try to verify it.

 

==>

> To that extent we will be benefitted as Atrologers and predict

confidently.?Again it may not work with all the one hundred cases.For

instance as per " Pambu Panchangam " Shani may be shown to occupy a

certain sign.But according to Dr.B.V.Raman or other modern

astrologers Shani may not be shown to be in the same sign for the

same person?.

<==

Yes, you are right Jagannathan ji. If this is right, we will get

benefited as astrologers and will start predicting more confidently.

Yes, it may not work in all the one hundred cases. But that is not

important. If it works at least 70% or more horoscopes that fullfills

this condition, then it is ok.

" Pambu Panchagam " :- I have many doubts; please clarify.

* Why is the name " Pambu Panchangam " (Snake ephemeris) is the

calculation methods used in any way specially related to Rahu and

Ketu?

* Normally I see that in most of the horoscopes calculated as

per " Pambu Panchagam " Me (Budha) is shown in a different sign. Apart

from the normal difference with other systems, is there any special

accuracy problem related to the calculation of Me as per " Pambu

Panchangam " ?

*Do you follow " Pambu Panchagam " or follow charts generated as per

modern calculation methods?

* How " Pambu Panchagam " and " Vakya Panchagam " are related? Is it

that " Pambu Panchagam " is another " Vakya Panchangam " ? " Vakya

Panchangam " is normally ascribed to Vararuchi. Who is known as the

originator of the system followed in " Pambu Panchangam " ?

I was curious to know all these from the first day I heard

that, Nadi readers usually follow Pambu Panchangam (Snake

Ephemeris). The base of this curiosity was another bit of knowledge.

Rasi chakram is Rahu-Sikhi Chakra (Snake wheel!). The snakes that

symbolically represent time, and depict the total rhythm of solar

system with their movement! He mathematically shows that how the

rhythm and movement of Rahu and Sikhi formed the based of Sign and

Nakshatra divisions, and goes on to argue that, therefore Rasi chakra

is (Rahu-Sikhi Chakra). Is the " Pambu Panchangam " any way related to

all this?

 

Thank you very much for the valuable guidance.

 

Love,

Sreenadh

 

, kapisthalam

jagannathan <jagannathankr wrote:

>

> Dear Sreenadhji,

> I am happy to read your kind and well considered mail and

reflections on what I wrote in my mail.

> I am sixty three now by age.You are the pillars of this " Great

Science of Astrology " I pray to God that you sjould be greatly

successful in doing further reasearch and to disseminate the divine

knowledge of Astrology.to one and all.

> Please find my replies at the places where you have asked me to

explain further.,below.

> Regards,

> Jagannathan.

>

> sree nadh <sreesog wrote:

> Dear jagannathan ji,

> ==>

> I came across one interesting method to arrive at lagnam etc.Let

us take a males horoscope for our study.If Jupiter venus

and " Sathamadhipathy " are placed in the three Sthirarasis or at

angles to eachother anywhere,then one of such rasis which may be at

angles to the rest of rasis where Jupiter,Venus

and " Sapthamadhipathy " are situated, will be the JanmaLagnam or Janma

rasi of the would wife.I request those who have curiosity or

interest to verify the same with reference to actual charts.

> <==

> Will you please clarify - we will check it in actual

horoscopes. As I understand, you said -

> if Ju, Ve, 7th lord are in Kendras (1-4-7-10) to each other ;

or at angle to each other

>

> The above part of the statement is right.

>

> (i.e in trines or the like 1-5-9 etc);

> This part may not be viable.It may not work.

>

> then the Lagna or Moon sign of the wife would be one of those

Signs. For example if in a male horoscope, if Ar (Mesha) is Lagna Ve

is in Le (Simha), Ju is in Sc (Vrischika), Ma is in Aq (Kumbha)

then :-

> Le (Simha), Sc (Vrischika) or Aq (Kumbha)

> After " Kumbha " you have to include Rishabham.

>

> should be the Lagna or Moon sign of the wife. Right? Am I

understanding the method given by you correctly?

> Please clarify these doubts and we will proceed to verify this

method in actual horoscopes.

>

> Kindly verify and let us see whether it works.

>

>

> But as could be seen from the strict condition put forward (Ju,

Ve and 7th lord should be at an fixed angle to each other) this

method would be applicable only to some horoscopes. But still it

seems interesting - if proved right. Thanks for the knowledge sharing.

>

>

> To that extent we will be benefitted as Atrologers and predict

confidently.?Again it may not work with all the one hundred cases.For

instance as per " Pambu Panchangam " Shani may be shown to occupy a

certain sign.But according to Dr.B.V.Raman or other modern

astrologers Shani may not be shown to be in the same sign for the

same person?.

>

> Please don't call me sir.

> It is a mark of respect which I have to show to you duty bound?.

>

>

> You can use the names itself (may be with a ji) to address any

member of the group. Thank you very much for sharing the knowledge.

> ==>

> In the good olden days ,if my memory is right and subject to

verification, people used to arrive at Janma lagnam by measuring

shadow.

> <==

> But, here (may be) you are mentioning the measuring of the

shadow of pole which was used to calculate the time. Am I right? But

pradeep ji was mentioning about measuring the shadow of the native by

the astrologer and making predictions based on that. Is there a

difference of understanding?

>

> Agood friend of mine is a native astrologer.Let me find out from

him also.

>

> Thanks for informing us about the amazing accuracy of the Nadi

system in good old days. Some moths before I went to Vaiteeswaram

Koil but I couldn't find a good Nadi reader who still depends of Nadi

leaves. (I have tested had the reading from almost 5 of them, and

many were reluctant to read may since from the beginning conversation

they felt that I am searching for the original system. The Nadi

readers I got readings include Siva swami, Poosamuthu etc, the famous

readers in the current stage of the system. But sorry to say, they

are not depending on Nadi leaves now a days)

>

> A photograph of a Nadi leaf with writings is shown in

naadindia.com This is possibly a original leaf.?we may have to take

for granted.?

>

> You are right.Inrecent times I had no occasion to consult any

Nadi reader.These days people are after making money.?Fakes are there

in every walk of life.?

>

> ==>

> Astrologers at the helm are yet to have even an iota of an idea

as to how such a fete could be done.?or achieved.Of course they may

be trying wholeheartedly.Perhaps they are not disclosing their

secrets.

> <==

> May be - Thanks again. We look forward to learn a lot more

from you.

>

> P.S. I have seen the reading you have done for Pradeep ji. It

seems that you depend very much on Jaimini system of astrology as

well. Please teach us by analysing some horoscopes based on that as

well when the chance comes. By the way are you from

> Kerala?

>

> Sir,

> I am not from Kerala.I am from Chittoor district.I always like to

be in the last in the que ue of others.

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> kapisthalam jagannathan <jagannathankr wrote:

>

> Dear Sir.

> I am happy to see your kind reply..In the good olden days ,if my

memory is right and subject to verification, people used to arrive at

Janma lagnam by measuring shadow.

> A very interesting and connected incident is that once I went

to Kancheepuram of Tamil Nadu ie a place near Chennai,along with one

of my friends to get a " Nadi Reading " about his brother as his

brother was then kept under custody of the police.

> We could not produce his thumb impression ,obviously, to the Nadi

reader.

> As then I knew only the lagnam of that person I could tell the

Nadi reader only the Janma Lagnam of that gentleman.Astoundingly the

Nadi reader after going through the " Index " leaves picked up the Nadi-

Leaf of my friends brother.He then drew the map of heavens of that

person and readout every detail of him meticulously to our utter

amazment.His Janma Lagnam was " Thula Lagnam " .

>

> He said that at that point of time the native would be under the

custody of police.,thatvery important persons and officers would help

the native to come out of the mess,etc.Indeed things happened so

later.

> I came across one interesting method to arrive at lagnam etc.Let

us take a males horoscope for our study.If Jupiter venus

and " Sathamadhipathy " are placed in the three Sthirarasis or at

angles to eachother anywhere,then one of such rasis which may be at

angles to the rest of rasis where Jupiter,Venus

and " Sapthamadhipathy " are situated, will be the JanmaLagnam or Janma

rasi of the would wife.I request those who have curiosity or

interest to verify the same with reference to actual charts.

>

> Astrologers at the helm are yet to have even an iota of an idea

as to how such a fete could be done.?or achieved.Of course they may

be trying wholeheartedly.Perhaps they are not disclosing their

secrets.

> regards,

> jagannathan.

>

> Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:

> Dear Jagannathan ji,

> You could be right - lagna (better we should use the word Arudha)

> can be arrived at by measuring the chaaya and then implementing

some

> mathematical methods. That is a possibility, and then the total

> Prasna system can be super imposed on it. But is there any classic

> that describe such a method?

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> , kapisthalam

> jagannathan <jagannathankr@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sir,

> > Possibly the lagnam is arrived at by measuring the " chaaya " .

> > Regards,

> > Jagannathan.

> >

> > sree nadh <sreesog@> wrote:

> > Dear Pradeep ji,

> > ==>

> > I have also heard of people who make accurate predictions from

> the soles of the footwear from the way it is worn out by use.

> > <==

> > That is part of Samudrika Sastra.

> > ==>

> > Also I believe there are people in north Karnataka who reveal

> your future just from the thumb and can even cast your horoscope

> from the thumb.

> > <==

> > That is Nadi system of astrology popular in Tamilnadu (from

> there only it came to Karnadka as well)

> > ==>

> > Then there are predictions made by jyotishis from the way people

> stand/sit around them in the rasis in the imaginary chart cast

around

> them.

> > <==

> > Read Prasnamarga. It is part of Normal system of Prasna as well

> depicted in Prasnamarga.

> > ==>

> > Just like Yogi Karveji who reads the exact TOB from one's

> face/forehead.

> > <==

> > Part of Samudrika sastra, but there is the Psychic bit as well.

> > ==>

> > May be there are many more of such unique and rare methods which

> our esteemed members can bring to our notice.

> > <==

> > Yap, we are burdened with the know methods itself, since even

> they produce indigestion.

> >

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > Pradeep <psd1955@> wrote:

> > Dear Sreenadh,

> >

> > Though I have heard about this 'shadow reading' many years ago

> this is the first time I have read about someone's direct

experience

> with it (this jyotishi was from Cambay in the late 1940's).

> >

> > I have also heard of people who make accurate predictions from

> the soles of the footwear from the way it is worn out by use.

> >

> > Also I believe there are people in north Karnataka who reveal

> your future just from the thumb and can even cast your horoscope

> from the thumb.

> >

> > Then there are predictions made by jyotishis from the way people

> stand/sit around them in the rasis in the imaginary chart cast

around

> them.

> >

> > Just like Yogi Karveji who reads the exact TOB from one's

> face/forehead.

> >

> > May be there are many more of such unique and rare methods which

> our esteemed members can bring to our notice.

> >

> > All this .... to say the least is very fascinating !!

> >

> > Regards,

> > Pradeep

> >

> > -

> > arkaydash

> >

> > Friday, June 16, 2006 11:19 PM

> > Re: Chhaya jyotishi

> >

> >

> > Dear Shreenadh,

> > Come on, you must be aware of this shadowy thing of

> > futurology ,ain't you? It is in vogue in South India and most

> > likely in Kerala (this I will soon confirm). (And then you and I

> > will take a southerly trip to peep into the shadows we cast,

thanks

> > to Sun!)

> >

> > KN Rao (as well as BV Raman, I think) has written about it. And

its

> > precision.

> >

> > RK

> >

> > , " Sreenadh "

> > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Pradeep ji,

> > > Good to hear that from a non believer of astrology like

Verghese

> > > Kurien.

> > > But I am hearing about this system of " Chhaya jyotish " for the

> > first

> > > time! May be he was using some 'Samudrika Sastra " methods. Can

> you

> > > shed some more light on this system? In whcih part of India

this

> > > method is practiced, and what is the text they depend upon? Or

is

> > it

> > > just a traditional method?

> > >

> > > Love,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > > , " Pradeep "

> > > <psd1955@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear members,

> > > >

> > > > I have been reading the beautifully written autobiography of

> the

> > > great V.Kurien " Father of the white revolution " who

> revolutionised

> > > milk production through the milk cooperative at Anand (Gujarat)

> > > under " AMUL " brand.

> > > >

> > > > An interesting extract from (page 26)

> > > >

> > > > " I too had a dream " by Verghese Kurien

> > > >

> > > > " Around this time my friend Medora, now a chemist with the

> > Bombay

> > > Milk Scheme's laboratory at Anand, asked me to accompany him

and

> > his

> > > brother on a rather unusual trip. His brother wanted to consult

a

> > > chhaya jyotishi in Cambay. The chhaya jyotishi measured your

> > shadow

> > > in the noonday sun, consulted his collection of ancient

> parchments

> > > and looked for the one that matched with the measurement of

your

> > > shadow and predicted the future.

> > > >

> > > > ...........

> > > >

> > > > " After Medora's brother got his shadow 'read', they persuded

me

> > to

> > > do the same. So as not to appear a spoilsport and also for some

> > fun I

> > > stood in the sun with the jyotishi measured my shadow.

Shuffling

> > > through the bunch of parchment-like leaves, and finding what he

> > was

> > > looking for, he read out: " You have no faith. " I told him he

was

> > > absolutely right: I was an atheist. Ignoring me, he continued

to

> > read

> > > out some details about my family and childhood which turned out

> to

> > be

> > > absolutely accurate. He then asked me if he could read me my

> > future.

> > > By this time I was rather intrigued so I agreed.

> > > >

> > > > " Among the many things the jyotishi told me, a particular

> detail

> > > remained firmly stuck in my mind: 'You are very unhappy in your

> > job

> > > right now but within a month you will change it and then you

> > should

> > > just sit back and watch,' he read out. 'Your career is set for

a

> > > phenomenal rise - the kind you can never imagine.' I had smiled

> > > sceptically to myself then, but in hindsight what he predicted

> > could

> > > not have been truer. Within a month I left the government

> creamery

> > to

> > > join the Kaira cooperative. The rest, as they say, is history.

> > Till

> > > today I have not arrived at any rational explanation for the

> > Chhaya

> > > jyotishi's prophecies. Certainly it did not turn me into a

> > believer.

> > > I continue to have no faith in occult matters and consider this

> > > little incident as simply one of life's curious incidents. "

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Pradeep

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls.

> Great rates starting at 1¢/min.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Jagannathan .

> >

>

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Dear Sreenadhji, I am happy to see your kind mail.Please find my eloborations at places where you have asked for further explanation. Regards, jagannathan.Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: Dear Jagannadhan ji,While re-reading my previous mail, I have noticed that, I committed a typo in one of the statements. In the example I putforward I said- It doesnt matter and is unimportant.==>if in a male horoscope, if Ar (Mesha) is Lagna Ve is in Le (Simha), Ju is in Sc (Vrischika), Ma is in Aq

(Kumbha) then :-Le (Simha), Sc (Vrischika) or Aq (Kumbha) should be the Lagna or Moon sign of the wife.<==Yes.tarus to be included.This was an erroneous example. (Following the words of Jagannadhan ji) What I wanted to say was that-==>if in a male horoscope, FOR TA (RISHABHA)OR LI (TULA) LAGNA IF Ve is in Le (Simha), Ju is in Sc (Vrischika), Ma is in Aq (Kumbha) then Le (Simha), Sc (Vrischika), Aq (Kumbha)OR TA (RISHABHA) should be the Lagna or Moon sign of the wife.<==Your good self is right.Please note the difference in the words given in caps. Thus as per the words of Jagannathan ji, "if Ju, Ve, 7th lord are in Kendras (1-4-7-10) to each other then the Lagna or Moon sign of the wife would be one of those four Signs". Your good self is right.Dear friends can anybody come up with some example horoscopes (of husband and wife) of couples in which at least one

the horoscopes fulfills this condition. Let us try to verify it.==>> To that extent we will be benefitted as Atrologers and predict confidently.?Again it may not work with all the one hundred cases.For instance as per "Pambu Panchangam" Shani may be shown to occupy a certain sign.But according to Dr.B.V.Raman or other modern astrologers Shani may not be shown to be in the same sign for the same person?.<==Yes, you are right Jagannathan ji. If this is right, we will get benefited as astrologers and will start predicting more confidently. Yes, it may not work in all the one hundred cases. But that is not important. If it works at least 70% or more horoscopes that fullfills this condition, then it is ok. "Pambu Panchagam":- I have many doubts; please clarify.* Why is the name "Pambu Panchangam" (Snake ephemeris) is the calculation methods used in any way specially related to Rahu and

Ketu? To my knowledge I understand that the transit of Moon through the stars gives the appearance of a snake while it moves.?These constellations falling outside or so indicates "on coming rains"for the famers benefit.* Normally I see that in most of the horoscopes calculated as per "Pambu Panchagam" Me (Budha) is shown in a different sign. Apart from the normal difference with other systems, is there any special accuracy problem related to the calculation of Me as per "Pambu Panchangam"? Pambu Panchangam is a "Vakya Panchangam"Sage Vararuchi has given amethod to arrive at lagnam for a new born baby.in his "Vakyam".*Do you follow "Pambu Panchagam" or follow charts generated as per modern calculation methods? Any almanac which may be available.I prefer to take "Pambu" as the standard.Vasan Panchangam also gives the self same positions of planets as given in "Pambu"I vaguely

remember that Srivaishnavites about a hunfred and fifty years or so ago computed the Pambu version for the first time. * How "Pambu Panchagam" and "Vakya Panchagam" are related? Is it that "Pambu Panchagam" is another "Vakya Panchangam"? "Vakya Panchangam" is normally ascribed to Vararuchi. Who is known as the originator of the system followed in "Pambu Panchangam"?I was curious to know all these from the first day I heard that, Nadi readers usually follow Pambu Panchangam (Snake Ephemeris). Yes ,as the positions of various planets and Dasa bhukthis tally exactly with those xited in Nadis of yore. The base of this curiosity was another bit of knowledge. Rasi chakram is Rahu-Sikhi Chakra (Snake wheel!). The snakes that symbolically represent time, and depict the total rhythm of solar system with their movement! He mathematically shows that how the

rhythm and movement of Rahu and Sikhi formed the based of Sign and Nakshatra divisions, and goes on to argue that, therefore Rasi chakra is (Rahu-Sikhi Chakra). Is the "Pambu Panchangam" any way related to all this?Thank you very much for the valuable guidance. Love,Sreenadh , kapisthalam jagannathan <jagannathankr wrote:>> Dear Sreenadhji,> I am happy to read your kind and well considered mail and reflections on what I wrote in my mail.> I am sixty three now by age.You are the pillars of this "Great Science of Astrology"I pray to God that you sjould be greatly successful in doing further reasearch and to disseminate the divine knowledge of Astrology.to one and all.> Please find my replies at the places where you have asked me to

explain further.,below.> Regards,> Jagannathan.> > sree nadh <sreesog wrote:> Dear jagannathan ji,> ==>> I came across one interesting method to arrive at lagnam etc.Let us take a males horoscope for our study.If Jupiter venus and "Sathamadhipathy" are placed in the three Sthirarasis or at angles to eachother anywhere,then one of such rasis which may be at angles to the rest of rasis where Jupiter,Venus and "Sapthamadhipathy" are situated, will be the JanmaLagnam or Janma rasi of the would wife.I request those who have curiosity or interest to verify the same with reference to actual charts. > <==> Will you please clarify - we will check it in actual horoscopes. As I understand, you said -> if Ju, Ve, 7th lord are in Kendras (1-4-7-10) to each other ; or at angle to each other > > The above part of the statement is right.>

> (i.e in trines or the like 1-5-9 etc);> This part may not be viable.It may not work.> > then the Lagna or Moon sign of the wife would be one of those Signs. For example if in a male horoscope, if Ar (Mesha) is Lagna Ve is in Le (Simha), Ju is in Sc (Vrischika), Ma is in Aq (Kumbha) then :-> Le (Simha), Sc (Vrischika) or Aq (Kumbha) > After "Kumbha" you have to include Rishabham.> > should be the Lagna or Moon sign of the wife. Right? Am I understanding the method given by you correctly?> Please clarify these doubts and we will proceed to verify this method in actual horoscopes.> > Kindly verify and let us see whether it works.> > > But as could be seen from the strict condition put forward (Ju, Ve and 7th lord should be at an fixed angle to each other) this method would be applicable only to some horoscopes. But still it seems interesting - if

proved right. Thanks for the knowledge sharing.> > > To that extent we will be benefitted as Atrologers and predict confidently.?Again it may not work with all the one hundred cases.For instance as per "Pambu Panchangam" Shani may be shown to occupy a certain sign.But according to Dr.B.V.Raman or other modern astrologers Shani may not be shown to be in the same sign for the same person?.> > Please don't call me sir.> It is a mark of respect which I have to show to you duty bound?.> > > You can use the names itself (may be with a ji) to address any member of the group. Thank you very much for sharing the knowledge.> ==>> In the good olden days ,if my memory is right and subject to verification, people used to arrive at Janma lagnam by measuring shadow.> <==> But, here (may be) you are mentioning the measuring of the shadow of pole which

was used to calculate the time. Am I right? But pradeep ji was mentioning about measuring the shadow of the native by the astrologer and making predictions based on that. Is there a difference of understanding? > > Agood friend of mine is a native astrologer.Let me find out from him also.> > Thanks for informing us about the amazing accuracy of the Nadi system in good old days. Some moths before I went to Vaiteeswaram Koil but I couldn't find a good Nadi reader who still depends of Nadi leaves. (I have tested had the reading from almost 5 of them, and many were reluctant to read may since from the beginning conversation they felt that I am searching for the original system. The Nadi readers I got readings include Siva swami, Poosamuthu etc, the famous readers in the current stage of the system. But sorry to say, they are not depending on Nadi leaves now a days)> > A photograph of a

Nadi leaf with writings is shown in naadindia.com This is possibly a original leaf.?we may have to take for granted.?> > You are right.Inrecent times I had no occasion to consult any Nadi reader.These days people are after making money.?Fakes are there in every walk of life.?> > ==>> Astrologers at the helm are yet to have even an iota of an idea as to how such a fete could be done.?or achieved.Of course they may be trying wholeheartedly.Perhaps they are not disclosing their secrets.> <==> May be - Thanks again. We look forward to learn a lot more from you. > > P.S. I have seen the reading you have done for Pradeep ji. It seems that you depend very much on Jaimini system of astrology as well. Please teach us by analysing some horoscopes based on that as well when the chance comes. By the way are you from > Kerala? > > Sir,>

I am not from Kerala.I am from Chittoor district.I always like to be in the last in the que ue of others.> Love,> Sreenadh> > kapisthalam jagannathan <jagannathankr wrote:> > Dear Sir.> I am happy to see your kind reply..In the good olden days ,if my memory is right and subject to verification, people used to arrive at Janma lagnam by measuring shadow.> A very interesting and connected incident is that once I went to Kancheepuram of Tamil Nadu ie a place near Chennai,along with one of my friends to get a "Nadi Reading" about his brother as his brother was then kept under custody of the police.> We could not produce his thumb impression ,obviously, to the Nadi reader.> As then I knew only the lagnam of that person I could tell the Nadi reader only the Janma Lagnam of that gentleman.Astoundingly the Nadi reader after going through the "Index" leaves

picked up the Nadi-Leaf of my friends brother.He then drew the map of heavens of that person and readout every detail of him meticulously to our utter amazment.His Janma Lagnam was "Thula Lagnam".> > He said that at that point of time the native would be under the custody of police.,thatvery important persons and officers would help the native to come out of the mess,etc.Indeed things happened so later.> I came across one interesting method to arrive at lagnam etc.Let us take a males horoscope for our study.If Jupiter venus and "Sathamadhipathy" are placed in the three Sthirarasis or at angles to eachother anywhere,then one of such rasis which may be at angles to the rest of rasis where Jupiter,Venus and "Sapthamadhipathy" are situated, will be the JanmaLagnam or Janma rasi of the would wife.I request those who have curiosity or interest to verify the same with reference to actual charts. >

> Astrologers at the helm are yet to have even an iota of an idea as to how such a fete could be done.?or achieved.Of course they may be trying wholeheartedly.Perhaps they are not disclosing their secrets.> regards,> jagannathan.> > Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:> Dear Jagannathan ji,> You could be right - lagna (better we should use the word Arudha) > can be arrived at by measuring the chaaya and then implementing some > mathematical methods. That is a possibility, and then the total > Prasna system can be super imposed on it. But is there any classic > that describe such a method?> Love,> Sreenadh> > , kapisthalam > jagannathan <jagannathankr@> wrote:> >> > Dear Sir,>

> Possibly the lagnam is arrived at by measuring the "chaaya".> > Regards,> > Jagannathan.> > > > sree nadh <sreesog@> wrote:> > Dear Pradeep ji,> > ==>> > I have also heard of people who make accurate predictions from > the soles of the footwear from the way it is worn out by use. > > <==> > That is part of Samudrika Sastra.> > ==>> > Also I believe there are people in north Karnataka who reveal > your future just from the thumb and can even cast your horoscope > from the thumb. > > <==> > That is Nadi system of astrology popular in Tamilnadu (from > there only it came to Karnadka as well)> > ==>> > Then there are predictions made by jyotishis from the way people > stand/sit around them in the rasis in the imaginary chart cast around > them.> >

<==> > Read Prasnamarga. It is part of Normal system of Prasna as well > depicted in Prasnamarga.> > ==>> > Just like Yogi Karveji who reads the exact TOB from one's > face/forehead.> > <==> > Part of Samudrika sastra, but there is the Psychic bit as well.> > ==>> > May be there are many more of such unique and rare methods which > our esteemed members can bring to our notice.> > <==> > Yap, we are burdened with the know methods itself, since even > they produce indigestion. > > > > Love,> > Sreenadh> > > > Pradeep <psd1955@> wrote:> > Dear Sreenadh,> > > > Though I have heard about this 'shadow reading' many years ago > this is the first time I have read about someone's direct experience > with it (this jyotishi was from Cambay in the

late 1940's).> > > > I have also heard of people who make accurate predictions from > the soles of the footwear from the way it is worn out by use. > > > > Also I believe there are people in north Karnataka who reveal > your future just from the thumb and can even cast your horoscope > from the thumb. > > > > Then there are predictions made by jyotishis from the way people > stand/sit around them in the rasis in the imaginary chart cast around > them.> > > > Just like Yogi Karveji who reads the exact TOB from one's > face/forehead.> > > > May be there are many more of such unique and rare methods which > our esteemed members can bring to our notice.> > > > All this .... to say the least is very fascinating !!> > > > Regards,> > Pradeep> > > > -----

Original Message ----- > > arkaydash > > > > Friday, June 16, 2006 11:19 PM> > Re: Chhaya jyotishi> > > > > > Dear Shreenadh,> > Come on, you must be aware of this shadowy thing of > > futurology ,ain't you? It is in vogue in South India and most > > likely in Kerala (this I will soon confirm). (And then you and I > > will take a southerly trip to peep into the shadows we cast, thanks > > to Sun!) > > > > KN Rao (as well as BV Raman, I think) has written about it. And its > > precision. > > > > RK> > > > , "Sreenadh" > > <sreesog@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Pradeep ji,> > > Good to hear that from a non believer of astrology like Verghese > > > Kurien. > > > But I am hearing about this system of "Chhaya jyotish" for the > > first > > > time! May be he was using some 'Samudrika Sastra" methods. Can > you > > > shed some more light on this system? In whcih part of India this > > > method is practiced, and what is the text they depend upon? Or is > > it > > > just a traditional method?> > > > > > Love,> > > Sreenadh> > > > > > , "Pradeep" > > > <psd1955@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear members,> > > > > > > > I have been reading the beautifully written autobiography of > the > > > great V.Kurien "Father of the white revolution" who > revolutionised > > > milk production through the milk cooperative at Anand (Gujarat)> > > under "AMUL" brand.> > > > > > > > An interesting extract from (page 26)> > > > > > > > "I too had a dream" by Verghese Kurien> > > > > > > > " Around this time my friend Medora, now a chemist with the > > Bombay > > > Milk Scheme's laboratory at Anand, asked me to accompany him and > > his > >

> brother on a rather unusual trip. His brother wanted to consult a > > > chhaya jyotishi in Cambay. The chhaya jyotishi measured your > > shadow > > > in the noonday sun, consulted his collection of ancient > parchments > > > and looked for the one that matched with the measurement of your > > > shadow and predicted the future.> > > > > > > > ...........> > > > > > > > "After Medora's brother got his shadow 'read', they persuded me > > to > > > do the same. So as not to appear a spoilsport and also for some > > fun I > > > stood in the sun with the jyotishi measured my shadow. Shuffling > > > through the bunch of parchment-like leaves, and finding what he > > was > > > looking for, he read out: "You have no faith." I told him he was

> > > absolutely right: I was an atheist. Ignoring me, he continued to > > read > > > out some details about my family and childhood which turned out > to > > be > > > absolutely accurate. He then asked me if he could read me my > > future. > > > By this time I was rather intrigued so I agreed.> > > > > > > > "Among the many things the jyotishi told me, a particular > detail > > > remained firmly stuck in my mind: 'You are very unhappy in your > > job > > > right now but within a month you will change it and then you > > should > > > just sit back and watch,' he read out. 'Your career is set for a > > > phenomenal rise - the kind you can never imagine.' I had smiled > > > sceptically to myself then, but in hindsight what he predicted > > could

> > > not have been truer. Within a month I left the government > creamery > > to > > > join the Kaira cooperative. The rest, as they say, is history. > > Till > > > today I have not arrived at any rational explanation for the > > Chhaya > > > jyotishi's prophecies. Certainly it did not turn me into a > > believer. > > > I continue to have no faith in occult matters and consider this > > > little incident as simply one of life's curious incidents."> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > Pradeep> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. > Great rates starting at 1¢/min. > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Jagannathan .> >> > > > > > > > Jagannathan .> > > > Sports Fantasy Football '06 - Go with the leader. Start your league today! > > > > > > > > > > Jagannathan .>

Jagannathan .

[Guest guest]

Dear Shri Jagannathanji,

 

I read with deep interest your experience with the nadi reader of Kancheepuram. I too have done a reading at Vaitheeswaran Koil who read out from palm leaves which showed my Chart except for the lagna. This happened in Aug 1987. None of the predictions have turned out to be true.

 

Some months ago I had been to a Shuka nadi astrologer who did a reading for my son. This person in Chennai did not satisfy at all. I had all but lost my faith in Nadi readings as practised in many places today.

 

However your experience renewed my interest in the subject. I shall be greatly obliged if you could kindly let me have more details of this Nadi astrologer of Kanchipuram.

 

Thank you and regards,

Pradeep

 

 

 

 

-

kapisthalam jagannathan

Saturday, June 17, 2006 5:51 PM

Re: Re: Chhaya jyotishi

 

 

 

Dear Sir.

I am happy to see your kind reply..In the good olden days ,if my memory is right and subject to verification, people used to arrive at Janma lagnam by measuring shadow.

A very interesting and connected incident is that once I went to Kancheepuram of Tamil Nadu ie a place near Chennai,along with one of my friends to get a "Nadi Reading" about his brother as his brother was then kept under custody of the police.

We could not produce his thumb impression ,obviously, to the Nadi reader.

As then I knew only the lagnam of that person I could tell the Nadi reader only the Janma Lagnam of that gentleman.Astoundingly the Nadi reader after going through the "Index" leaves picked up the Nadi-Leaf of my friends brother.He then drew the map of heavens of that person and readout every detail of him meticulously to our utter amazment.His Janma Lagnam was "Thula Lagnam".

 

He said that at that point of time the native would be under the custody of police.,thatvery important persons and officers would help the native to come out of the mess,etc.Indeed things happened so later.

I came across one interesting method to arrive at lagnam etc.Let us take a males horoscope for our study.If Jupiter venus and "Sathamadhipathy" are placed in the three Sthirarasis or at angles to eachother anywhere,then one of such rasis which may be at angles to the rest of rasis where Jupiter,Venus and "Sapthamadhipathy" are situated, will be the JanmaLagnam or Janma rasi of the would wife.I request those who have curiosity or interest to verify the same with reference to actual charts.

 

Astrologers at the helm are yet to have even an iota of an idea as to how such a fete could be done.?or achieved.Of course they may be trying wholeheartedly.Perhaps they are not disclosing their secrets.

regards,

jagannathan.Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:

 

 

Dear Jagannathan ji,You could be right - lagna (better we should use the word Arudha) can be arrived at by measuring the chaaya and then implementing some mathematical methods. That is a possibility, and then the total Prasna system can be super imposed on it. But is there any classic that describe such a method?Love,Sreenadh , kapisthalam jagannathan <jagannathankr wrote:>> Dear Sir,> Possibly the lagnam is arrived at by measuring the "chaaya".> Regards,> Jagannathan.> > sree nadh <sreesog wrote:> Dear Pradeep ji,> ==>> I have also heard of people who make accurate predictions from the soles of the footwear from the way it is worn out by use. > <==> That is part of Samudrika Sastra.> ==>> Also I believe there are people in north Karnataka who reveal your future just from the thumb and can even cast your horoscope from the thumb. > <==> That is Nadi system of astrology popular in Tamilnadu (from there only it came to Karnadka as well)> ==>> Then there are predictions made by jyotishis from the way people stand/sit around them in the rasis in the imaginary chart cast around them.> <==> Read Prasnamarga. It is part of Normal system of Prasna as well depicted in Prasnamarga.> ==>> Just like Yogi Karveji who reads the exact TOB from one's face/forehead.> <==> Part of Samudrika sastra, but there is the Psychic bit as well.> ==>> May be there are many more of such unique and rare methods which our esteemed members can bring to our notice.> <==> Yap, we are burdened with the know methods itself, since even they produce indigestion. > > Love,> Sreenadh> > Pradeep <psd1955 wrote:> Dear Sreenadh,> > Though I have heard about this 'shadow reading' many years ago this is the first time I have read about someone's direct experience with it (this jyotishi was from Cambay in the late 1940's).> > I have also heard of people who make accurate predictions from the soles of the footwear from the way it is worn out by use. > > Also I believe there are people in north Karnataka who reveal your future just from the thumb and can even cast your horoscope from the thumb. > > Then there are predictions made by jyotishis from the way people stand/sit around them in the rasis in the imaginary chart cast around them.> > Just like Yogi Karveji who reads the exact TOB from one's face/forehead.> > May be there are many more of such unique and rare methods which our esteemed members can bring to our notice.> > All this .... to say the least is very fascinating !!> > Regards,> Pradeep> > - > arkaydash > > Friday, June 16, 2006 11:19 PM> Re: Chhaya jyotishi> > > Dear Shreenadh,> Come on, you must be aware of this shadowy thing of > futurology ,ain't you? It is in vogue in South India and most > likely in Kerala (this I will soon confirm). (And then you and I > will take a southerly trip to peep into the shadows we cast, thanks > to Sun!) > > KN Rao (as well as BV Raman, I think) has written about it. And its > precision. > > RK> > , "Sreenadh" > <sreesog@> wrote:> >> > Dear Pradeep ji,> > Good to hear that from a non believer of astrology like Verghese > > Kurien. > > But I am hearing about this system of "Chhaya jyotish" for the > first > > time! May be he was using some 'Samudrika Sastra" methods. Can you > > shed some more light on this system? In whcih part of India this > > method is practiced, and what is the text they depend upon? Or is > it > > just a traditional method?> > > > Love,> > Sreenadh> > > > , "Pradeep" > > <psd1955@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear members,> > > > > > I have been reading the beautifully written autobiography of the > > great V.Kurien "Father of the white revolution" who revolutionised > > milk production through the milk cooperative at Anand (Gujarat)> > under "AMUL" brand.> > > > > > An interesting extract from (page 26)> > > > > > "I too had a dream" by Verghese Kurien> > > > > > " Around this time my friend Medora, now a chemist with the > Bombay > > Milk Scheme's laboratory at Anand, asked me to accompany him and > his > > brother on a rather unusual trip. His brother wanted to consult a > > chhaya jyotishi in Cambay. The chhaya jyotishi measured your > shadow > > in the noonday sun, consulted his collection of ancient parchments > > and looked for the one that matched with the measurement of your > > shadow and predicted the future.> > > > > > ...........> > > > > > "After Medora's brother got his shadow 'read', they persuded me > to > > do the same. So as not to appear a spoilsport and also for some > fun I > > stood in the sun with the jyotishi measured my shadow. Shuffling > > through the bunch of parchment-like leaves, and finding what he > was > > looking for, he read out: "You have no faith." I told him he was > > absolutely right: I was an atheist. Ignoring me, he continued to > read > > out some details about my family and childhood which turned out to > be > > absolutely accurate. He then asked me if he could read me my > future. > > By this time I was rather intrigued so I agreed.> > > > > > "Among the many things the jyotishi told me, a particular detail > > remained firmly stuck in my mind: 'You are very unhappy in your > job > > right now but within a month you will change it and then you > should > > just sit back and watch,' he read out. 'Your career is set for a > > phenomenal rise - the kind you can never imagine.' I had smiled > > sceptically to myself then, but in hindsight what he predicted > could > > not have been truer. Within a month I left the government creamery > to > > join the Kaira cooperative. The rest, as they say, is history. > Till > > today I have not arrived at any rational explanation for the > Chhaya > > jyotishi's prophecies. Certainly it did not turn me into a > believer. > > I continue to have no faith in occult matters and consider this > > little incident as simply one of life's curious incidents."> > > > > > Regards,> > > Pradeep> > >> >> > > > > > > Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. > > > > > > > > Jagannathan .>

 

Jagannathan .

[Guest guest]

Dear Jagnnadhan ji,

Chandrahari shares some info with us about Vakya Panchangas. Please

for follow the link and and download the file " Vakyakarana.doc " . You

will find some useful info about the system.

Chandra%

20Hari/

 

If the link fails, go the files section of the forum, and inside the

folder " Chandra Hari " you will find that file.

 

P.S.: I have some cute info to share about " Chhaaya Jyotish " which I

will do in the next mail.

 

Love,

Sreenadh

 

, kapisthalam

jagannathan <jagannathankr wrote:

>

> Dear Sreenadhji,

> I am happy to see your kind mail.Please find my eloborations at

places where you have asked for further explanation.

> Regards,

> jagannathan.

>

> Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:

> Dear Jagannadhan ji,

> While re-reading my previous mail, I have noticed that, I committed

> a typo in one of the statements. In the example I putforward I said-

> It doesnt matter and is unimportant.

> ==>

> if in a male horoscope, if Ar (Mesha) is Lagna Ve is in Le (Simha),

> Ju is in Sc (Vrischika), Ma is in Aq (Kumbha) then :-

> Le (Simha), Sc (Vrischika) or Aq (Kumbha) should be the Lagna or

Moon

> sign of the wife.

> <==Yes.tarus to be included.

> This was an erroneous example. (Following the words of Jagannadhan

> ji) What I wanted to say was that-

>

> ==>

> if in a male horoscope, FOR TA (RISHABHA)OR LI (TULA) LAGNA IF Ve

> is in Le (Simha), Ju is in Sc (Vrischika), Ma is in Aq (Kumbha)

then

> Le (Simha), Sc (Vrischika), Aq (Kumbha)OR TA (RISHABHA) should be

the

> Lagna or Moon sign of the wife.

> <==Your good self is right.

> Please note the difference in the words given in caps.

>

> Thus as per the words of Jagannathan ji, " if Ju, Ve, 7th lord are

in

> Kendras (1-4-7-10) to each other then the Lagna or Moon sign of the

> wife would be one of those four Signs " .

>

> Your good self is right.

> Dear friends can anybody come up with some example horoscopes (of

> husband and wife) of couples in which at least one the horoscopes

> fulfills this condition. Let us try to verify it.

>

> ==>

> > To that extent we will be benefitted as Atrologers and predict

> confidently.?Again it may not work with all the one hundred

cases.For

> instance as per " Pambu Panchangam " Shani may be shown to occupy a

> certain sign.But according to Dr.B.V.Raman or other modern

> astrologers Shani may not be shown to be in the same sign for the

> same person?.

> <==

> Yes, you are right Jagannathan ji. If this is right, we will get

> benefited as astrologers and will start predicting more

confidently.

> Yes, it may not work in all the one hundred cases. But that is not

> important. If it works at least 70% or more horoscopes that

fullfills

> this condition, then it is ok.

> " Pambu Panchagam " :- I have many doubts; please clarify.

> * Why is the name " Pambu Panchangam " (Snake ephemeris) is the

> calculation methods used in any way specially related to Rahu and

> Ketu?

> To my knowledge I understand that the transit of Moon through the

stars gives the appearance of a snake while it moves.?These

constellations falling outside or so indicates " on coming rains " for

the famers benefit.

> * Normally I see that in most of the horoscopes calculated as

> per " Pambu Panchagam " Me (Budha) is shown in a different sign.

Apart

> from the normal difference with other systems, is there any special

> accuracy problem related to the calculation of Me as per " Pambu

> Panchangam " ?

>

> Pambu Panchangam is a " Vakya Panchangam " Sage Vararuchi has given

amethod to arrive at lagnam for a new born baby.in his " Vakyam " .

> *Do you follow " Pambu Panchagam " or follow charts generated as per

> modern calculation methods?

> Any almanac which may be available.I prefer to take " Pambu " as

the standard.Vasan Panchangam also gives the self same positions of

planets as given in " Pambu " I vaguely remember that Srivaishnavites

about a hunfred and fifty years or so ago computed the Pambu version

for the first time.

>

> * How " Pambu Panchagam " and " Vakya Panchagam " are related? Is it

> that " Pambu Panchagam " is another " Vakya Panchangam " ? " Vakya

> Panchangam " is normally ascribed to Vararuchi. Who is known as the

> originator of the system followed in " Pambu Panchangam " ?

> I was curious to know all these from the first day I heard

> that, Nadi readers usually follow Pambu Panchangam (Snake

> Ephemeris).

>

>

> Yes ,as the positions of various planets and Dasa bhukthis tally

exactly with those xited in Nadis of yore.

> The base of this curiosity was another bit of knowledge.

> Rasi chakram is Rahu-Sikhi Chakra (Snake wheel!). The snakes that

> symbolically represent time, and depict the total rhythm of solar

> system with their movement! He mathematically shows that how the

> rhythm and movement of Rahu and Sikhi formed the based of Sign and

> Nakshatra divisions, and goes on to argue that, therefore Rasi

chakra

> is (Rahu-Sikhi Chakra). Is the " Pambu Panchangam " any way related

to

> all this?

>

> Thank you very much for the valuable guidance.

>

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> , kapisthalam

> jagannathan <jagannathankr@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sreenadhji,

> > I am happy to read your kind and well considered mail and

> reflections on what I wrote in my mail.

> > I am sixty three now by age.You are the pillars of this " Great

> Science of Astrology " I pray to God that you sjould be greatly

> successful in doing further reasearch and to disseminate the divine

> knowledge of Astrology.to one and all.

> > Please find my replies at the places where you have asked me to

> explain further.,below.

> > Regards,

> > Jagannathan.

> >

> > sree nadh <sreesog@> wrote:

> > Dear jagannathan ji,

> > ==>

> > I came across one interesting method to arrive at lagnam etc.Let

> us take a males horoscope for our study.If Jupiter venus

> and " Sathamadhipathy " are placed in the three Sthirarasis or at

> angles to eachother anywhere,then one of such rasis which may be at

> angles to the rest of rasis where Jupiter,Venus

> and " Sapthamadhipathy " are situated, will be the JanmaLagnam or

Janma

> rasi of the would wife.I request those who have curiosity or

> interest to verify the same with reference to actual charts.

> > <==

> > Will you please clarify - we will check it in actual

> horoscopes. As I understand, you said -

> > if Ju, Ve, 7th lord are in Kendras (1-4-7-10) to each other ;

> or at angle to each other

> >

> > The above part of the statement is right.

> >

> > (i.e in trines or the like 1-5-9 etc);

> > This part may not be viable.It may not work.

> >

> > then the Lagna or Moon sign of the wife would be one of those

> Signs. For example if in a male horoscope, if Ar (Mesha) is Lagna

Ve

> is in Le (Simha), Ju is in Sc (Vrischika), Ma is in Aq (Kumbha)

> then :-

> > Le (Simha), Sc (Vrischika) or Aq (Kumbha)

> > After " Kumbha " you have to include Rishabham.

> >

> > should be the Lagna or Moon sign of the wife. Right? Am I

> understanding the method given by you correctly?

> > Please clarify these doubts and we will proceed to verify this

> method in actual horoscopes.

> >

> > Kindly verify and let us see whether it works.

> >

> >

> > But as could be seen from the strict condition put forward (Ju,

> Ve and 7th lord should be at an fixed angle to each other) this

> method would be applicable only to some horoscopes. But still it

> seems interesting - if proved right. Thanks for the knowledge

sharing.

> >

> >

> > To that extent we will be benefitted as Atrologers and predict

> confidently.?Again it may not work with all the one hundred

cases.For

> instance as per " Pambu Panchangam " Shani may be shown to occupy a

> certain sign.But according to Dr.B.V.Raman or other modern

> astrologers Shani may not be shown to be in the same sign for the

> same person?.

> >

> > Please don't call me sir.

> > It is a mark of respect which I have to show to you duty bound?.

> >

> >

> > You can use the names itself (may be with a ji) to address any

> member of the group. Thank you very much for sharing the knowledge.

> > ==>

> > In the good olden days ,if my memory is right and subject to

> verification, people used to arrive at Janma lagnam by measuring

> shadow.

> > <==

> > But, here (may be) you are mentioning the measuring of the

> shadow of pole which was used to calculate the time. Am I right?

But

> pradeep ji was mentioning about measuring the shadow of the native

by

> the astrologer and making predictions based on that. Is there a

> difference of understanding?

> >

> > Agood friend of mine is a native astrologer.Let me find out from

> him also.

> >

> > Thanks for informing us about the amazing accuracy of the Nadi

> system in good old days. Some moths before I went to Vaiteeswaram

> Koil but I couldn't find a good Nadi reader who still depends of

Nadi

> leaves. (I have tested had the reading from almost 5 of them, and

> many were reluctant to read may since from the beginning

conversation

> they felt that I am searching for the original system. The Nadi

> readers I got readings include Siva swami, Poosamuthu etc, the

famous

> readers in the current stage of the system. But sorry to say, they

> are not depending on Nadi leaves now a days)

> >

> > A photograph of a Nadi leaf with writings is shown in

> naadindia.com This is possibly a original leaf.?we may have to take

> for granted.?

> >

> > You are right.Inrecent times I had no occasion to consult any

> Nadi reader.These days people are after making money.?Fakes are

there

> in every walk of life.?

> >

> > ==>

> > Astrologers at the helm are yet to have even an iota of an idea

> as to how such a fete could be done.?or achieved.Of course they may

> be trying wholeheartedly.Perhaps they are not disclosing their

> secrets.

> > <==

> > May be - Thanks again. We look forward to learn a lot more

> from you.

> >

> > P.S. I have seen the reading you have done for Pradeep ji. It

> seems that you depend very much on Jaimini system of astrology as

> well. Please teach us by analysing some horoscopes based on that as

> well when the chance comes. By the way are you from

> > Kerala?

> >

> > Sir,

> > I am not from Kerala.I am from Chittoor district.I always like to

> be in the last in the que ue of others.

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > kapisthalam jagannathan <jagannathankr@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sir.

> > I am happy to see your kind reply..In the good olden days ,if my

> memory is right and subject to verification, people used to arrive

at

> Janma lagnam by measuring shadow.

> > A very interesting and connected incident is that once I went

> to Kancheepuram of Tamil Nadu ie a place near Chennai,along with

one

> of my friends to get a " Nadi Reading " about his brother as his

> brother was then kept under custody of the police.

> > We could not produce his thumb impression ,obviously, to the Nadi

> reader.

> > As then I knew only the lagnam of that person I could tell the

> Nadi reader only the Janma Lagnam of that gentleman.Astoundingly

the

> Nadi reader after going through the " Index " leaves picked up the

Nadi-

> Leaf of my friends brother.He then drew the map of heavens of that

> person and readout every detail of him meticulously to our utter

> amazment.His Janma Lagnam was " Thula Lagnam " .

> >

> > He said that at that point of time the native would be under the

> custody of police.,thatvery important persons and officers would

help

> the native to come out of the mess,etc.Indeed things happened so

> later.

> > I came across one interesting method to arrive at lagnam etc.Let

> us take a males horoscope for our study.If Jupiter venus

> and " Sathamadhipathy " are placed in the three Sthirarasis or at

> angles to eachother anywhere,then one of such rasis which may be at

> angles to the rest of rasis where Jupiter,Venus

> and " Sapthamadhipathy " are situated, will be the JanmaLagnam or

Janma

> rasi of the would wife.I request those who have curiosity or

> interest to verify the same with reference to actual charts.

> >

> > Astrologers at the helm are yet to have even an iota of an idea

> as to how such a fete could be done.?or achieved.Of course they may

> be trying wholeheartedly.Perhaps they are not disclosing their

> secrets.

> > regards,

> > jagannathan.

> >

> > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:

> > Dear Jagannathan ji,

> > You could be right - lagna (better we should use the word Arudha)

> > can be arrived at by measuring the chaaya and then implementing

> some

> > mathematical methods. That is a possibility, and then the total

> > Prasna system can be super imposed on it. But is there any

classic

> > that describe such a method?

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > , kapisthalam

> > jagannathan <jagannathankr@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sir,

> > > Possibly the lagnam is arrived at by measuring the " chaaya " .

> > > Regards,

> > > Jagannathan.

> > >

> > > sree nadh <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > Dear Pradeep ji,

> > > ==>

> > > I have also heard of people who make accurate predictions from

> > the soles of the footwear from the way it is worn out by use.

> > > <==

> > > That is part of Samudrika Sastra.

> > > ==>

> > > Also I believe there are people in north Karnataka who reveal

> > your future just from the thumb and can even cast your horoscope

> > from the thumb.

> > > <==

> > > That is Nadi system of astrology popular in Tamilnadu (from

> > there only it came to Karnadka as well)

> > > ==>

> > > Then there are predictions made by jyotishis from the way

people

> > stand/sit around them in the rasis in the imaginary chart cast

> around

> > them.

> > > <==

> > > Read Prasnamarga. It is part of Normal system of Prasna as well

> > depicted in Prasnamarga.

> > > ==>

> > > Just like Yogi Karveji who reads the exact TOB from one's

> > face/forehead.

> > > <==

> > > Part of Samudrika sastra, but there is the Psychic bit as well.

> > > ==>

> > > May be there are many more of such unique and rare methods

which

> > our esteemed members can bring to our notice.

> > > <==

> > > Yap, we are burdened with the know methods itself, since even

> > they produce indigestion.

> > >

> > > Love,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > > Pradeep <psd1955@> wrote:

> > > Dear Sreenadh,

> > >

> > > Though I have heard about this 'shadow reading' many years ago

> > this is the first time I have read about someone's direct

> experience

> > with it (this jyotishi was from Cambay in the late 1940's).

> > >

> > > I have also heard of people who make accurate predictions from

> > the soles of the footwear from the way it is worn out by use.

> > >

> > > Also I believe there are people in north Karnataka who reveal

> > your future just from the thumb and can even cast your horoscope

> > from the thumb.

> > >

> > > Then there are predictions made by jyotishis from the way

people

> > stand/sit around them in the rasis in the imaginary chart cast

> around

> > them.

> > >

> > > Just like Yogi Karveji who reads the exact TOB from one's

> > face/forehead.

> > >

> > > May be there are many more of such unique and rare methods

which

> > our esteemed members can bring to our notice.

> > >

> > > All this .... to say the least is very fascinating !!

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Pradeep

> > >

> > > -

> > > arkaydash

> > >

> > > Friday, June 16, 2006 11:19 PM

> > > Re: Chhaya jyotishi

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Shreenadh,

> > > Come on, you must be aware of this shadowy thing of

> > > futurology ,ain't you? It is in vogue in South India and

most

> > > likely in Kerala (this I will soon confirm). (And then you and

I

> > > will take a southerly trip to peep into the shadows we cast,

> thanks

> > > to Sun!)

> > >

> > > KN Rao (as well as BV Raman, I think) has written about it. And

> its

> > > precision.

> > >

> > > RK

> > >

> > > , " Sreenadh "

> > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Pradeep ji,

> > > > Good to hear that from a non believer of astrology like

> Verghese

> > > > Kurien.

> > > > But I am hearing about this system of " Chhaya jyotish " for

the

> > > first

> > > > time! May be he was using some 'Samudrika Sastra " methods.

Can

> > you

> > > > shed some more light on this system? In whcih part of India

> this

> > > > method is practiced, and what is the text they depend upon?

Or

> is

> > > it

> > > > just a traditional method?

> > > >

> > > > Love,

> > > > Sreenadh

> > > >

> > > > , " Pradeep "

> > > > <psd1955@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear members,

> > > > >

> > > > > I have been reading the beautifully written autobiography

of

> > the

> > > > great V.Kurien " Father of the white revolution " who

> > revolutionised

> > > > milk production through the milk cooperative at Anand

(Gujarat)

> > > > under " AMUL " brand.

> > > > >

> > > > > An interesting extract from (page 26)

> > > > >

> > > > > " I too had a dream " by Verghese Kurien

> > > > >

> > > > > " Around this time my friend Medora, now a chemist with the

> > > Bombay

> > > > Milk Scheme's laboratory at Anand, asked me to accompany him

> and

> > > his

> > > > brother on a rather unusual trip. His brother wanted to

consult

> a

> > > > chhaya jyotishi in Cambay. The chhaya jyotishi measured your

> > > shadow

> > > > in the noonday sun, consulted his collection of ancient

> > parchments

> > > > and looked for the one that matched with the measurement of

> your

> > > > shadow and predicted the future.

> > > > >

> > > > > ...........

> > > > >

> > > > > " After Medora's brother got his shadow 'read', they

persuded

> me

> > > to

> > > > do the same. So as not to appear a spoilsport and also for

some

> > > fun I

> > > > stood in the sun with the jyotishi measured my shadow.

> Shuffling

> > > > through the bunch of parchment-like leaves, and finding what

he

> > > was

> > > > looking for, he read out: " You have no faith. " I told him he

> was

> > > > absolutely right: I was an atheist. Ignoring me, he continued

> to

> > > read

> > > > out some details about my family and childhood which turned

out

> > to

> > > be

> > > > absolutely accurate. He then asked me if he could read me my

> > > future.

> > > > By this time I was rather intrigued so I agreed.

> > > > >

> > > > > " Among the many things the jyotishi told me, a particular

> > detail

> > > > remained firmly stuck in my mind: 'You are very unhappy in

your

> > > job

> > > > right now but within a month you will change it and then you

> > > should

> > > > just sit back and watch,' he read out. 'Your career is set

for

> a

> > > > phenomenal rise - the kind you can never imagine.' I had

smiled

> > > > sceptically to myself then, but in hindsight what he

predicted

> > > could

> > > > not have been truer. Within a month I left the government

> > creamery

> > > to

> > > > join the Kaira cooperative. The rest, as they say, is

history.

> > > Till

> > > > today I have not arrived at any rational explanation for the

> > > Chhaya

> > > > jyotishi's prophecies. Certainly it did not turn me into a

> > > believer.

> > > > I continue to have no faith in occult matters and consider

this

> > > > little incident as simply one of life's curious incidents. "

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Pradeep

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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> > > Jagannathan .

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> >

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Dear Sir, Your kind mail.I willread the information which is furnished. Regards, jagannathan.Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: Dear Jagnnadhan ji,Chandrahari shares some info with us about Vakya Panchangas. Please for follow the link and and download the file "Vakyakarana.doc". You will find some useful info about the system.Chandra%20Hari/If the link fails, go the files section of the forum, and inside the folder "Chandra Hari" you will find that file.P.S.: I have some cute info to share about "Chhaaya Jyotish" which I will do in the next mail.Love,Sreenadh , kapisthalam jagannathan <jagannathankr wrote:>> Dear Sreenadhji,> I am happy to see your kind mail.Please find my eloborations at places where you have asked for further explanation.> Regards,> jagannathan.> > Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:> Dear Jagannadhan ji,> While re-reading my previous mail, I have noticed

that, I committed > a typo in one of the statements. In the example I putforward I said-> It doesnt matter and is unimportant.> ==>> if in a male horoscope, if Ar (Mesha) is Lagna Ve is in Le (Simha), > Ju is in Sc (Vrischika), Ma is in Aq (Kumbha) then :-> Le (Simha), Sc (Vrischika) or Aq (Kumbha) should be the Lagna or Moon > sign of the wife.> <==Yes.tarus to be included.> This was an erroneous example. (Following the words of Jagannadhan > ji) What I wanted to say was that-> > ==>> if in a male horoscope, FOR TA (RISHABHA)OR LI (TULA) LAGNA IF Ve > is in Le (Simha), Ju is in Sc (Vrischika), Ma is in Aq (Kumbha) then > Le (Simha), Sc (Vrischika), Aq (Kumbha)OR TA (RISHABHA) should be the > Lagna or Moon sign of the wife.> <==Your good self is right.> Please note the difference in the words given in caps. > >

Thus as per the words of Jagannathan ji, "if Ju, Ve, 7th lord are in > Kendras (1-4-7-10) to each other then the Lagna or Moon sign of the > wife would be one of those four Signs".> > Your good self is right.> Dear friends can anybody come up with some example horoscopes (of > husband and wife) of couples in which at least one the horoscopes > fulfills this condition. Let us try to verify it.> > ==>> > To that extent we will be benefitted as Atrologers and predict > confidently.?Again it may not work with all the one hundred cases.For > instance as per "Pambu Panchangam" Shani may be shown to occupy a > certain sign.But according to Dr.B.V.Raman or other modern > astrologers Shani may not be shown to be in the same sign for the > same person?.> <==> Yes, you are right Jagannathan ji. If this is right, we will get > benefited

as astrologers and will start predicting more confidently. > Yes, it may not work in all the one hundred cases. But that is not > important. If it works at least 70% or more horoscopes that fullfills > this condition, then it is ok. > "Pambu Panchagam":- I have many doubts; please clarify.> * Why is the name "Pambu Panchangam" (Snake ephemeris) is the > calculation methods used in any way specially related to Rahu and > Ketu? > To my knowledge I understand that the transit of Moon through the stars gives the appearance of a snake while it moves.?These constellations falling outside or so indicates "on coming rains"for the famers benefit.> * Normally I see that in most of the horoscopes calculated as > per "Pambu Panchagam" Me (Budha) is shown in a different sign. Apart > from the normal difference with other systems, is there any special > accuracy problem related

to the calculation of Me as per "Pambu > Panchangam"? > > Pambu Panchangam is a "Vakya Panchangam"Sage Vararuchi has given amethod to arrive at lagnam for a new born baby.in his "Vakyam".> *Do you follow "Pambu Panchagam" or follow charts generated as per > modern calculation methods? > Any almanac which may be available.I prefer to take "Pambu" as the standard.Vasan Panchangam also gives the self same positions of planets as given in "Pambu"I vaguely remember that Srivaishnavites about a hunfred and fifty years or so ago computed the Pambu version for the first time.> > * How "Pambu Panchagam" and "Vakya Panchagam" are related? Is it > that "Pambu Panchagam" is another "Vakya Panchangam"? "Vakya > Panchangam" is normally ascribed to Vararuchi. Who is known as the > originator of the system followed in "Pambu Panchangam"?> I was curious to know all these from the first

day I heard > that, Nadi readers usually follow Pambu Panchangam (Snake > Ephemeris).> > > Yes ,as the positions of various planets and Dasa bhukthis tally exactly with those xited in Nadis of yore.> The base of this curiosity was another bit of knowledge. > Rasi chakram is Rahu-Sikhi Chakra (Snake wheel!). The snakes that > symbolically represent time, and depict the total rhythm of solar > system with their movement! He mathematically shows that how the > rhythm and movement of Rahu and Sikhi formed the based of Sign and > Nakshatra divisions, and goes on to argue that, therefore Rasi chakra > is (Rahu-Sikhi Chakra). Is the "Pambu Panchangam" any way related to > all this?> > Thank you very much for the valuable guidance. > > Love,> Sreenadh> > , kapisthalam > jagannathan <jagannathankr@> wrote:> >> > Dear Sreenadhji,> > I am happy to read your kind and well considered mail and > reflections on what I wrote in my mail.> > I am sixty three now by age.You are the pillars of this "Great > Science of Astrology"I pray to God that you sjould be greatly > successful in doing further reasearch and to disseminate the divine > knowledge of Astrology.to one and all.> > Please find my replies at the places where you have asked me to > explain further.,below.> > Regards,> > Jagannathan.> > > > sree nadh <sreesog@> wrote:> > Dear jagannathan ji,> > ==>> > I came across one interesting method to arrive at lagnam etc.Let > us

take a males horoscope for our study.If Jupiter venus > and "Sathamadhipathy" are placed in the three Sthirarasis or at > angles to eachother anywhere,then one of such rasis which may be at > angles to the rest of rasis where Jupiter,Venus > and "Sapthamadhipathy" are situated, will be the JanmaLagnam or Janma > rasi of the would wife.I request those who have curiosity or > interest to verify the same with reference to actual charts. > > <==> > Will you please clarify - we will check it in actual > horoscopes. As I understand, you said -> > if Ju, Ve, 7th lord are in Kendras (1-4-7-10) to each other ; > or at angle to each other > > > > The above part of the statement is right.> > > > (i.e in trines or the like 1-5-9 etc);> > This part may not be viable.It may not work.> > > > then the Lagna or Moon sign of the

wife would be one of those > Signs. For example if in a male horoscope, if Ar (Mesha) is Lagna Ve > is in Le (Simha), Ju is in Sc (Vrischika), Ma is in Aq (Kumbha) > then :-> > Le (Simha), Sc (Vrischika) or Aq (Kumbha) > > After "Kumbha" you have to include Rishabham.> > > > should be the Lagna or Moon sign of the wife. Right? Am I > understanding the method given by you correctly?> > Please clarify these doubts and we will proceed to verify this > method in actual horoscopes.> > > > Kindly verify and let us see whether it works.> > > > > > But as could be seen from the strict condition put forward (Ju, > Ve and 7th lord should be at an fixed angle to each other) this > method would be applicable only to some horoscopes. But still it > seems interesting - if proved right. Thanks for the knowledge

sharing.> > > > > > To that extent we will be benefitted as Atrologers and predict > confidently.?Again it may not work with all the one hundred cases.For > instance as per "Pambu Panchangam" Shani may be shown to occupy a > certain sign.But according to Dr.B.V.Raman or other modern > astrologers Shani may not be shown to be in the same sign for the > same person?.> > > > Please don't call me sir.> > It is a mark of respect which I have to show to you duty bound?.> > > > > > You can use the names itself (may be with a ji) to address any > member of the group. Thank you very much for sharing the knowledge.> > ==>> > In the good olden days ,if my memory is right and subject to > verification, people used to arrive at Janma lagnam by measuring > shadow.> > <==> > But, here

(may be) you are mentioning the measuring of the > shadow of pole which was used to calculate the time. Am I right? But > pradeep ji was mentioning about measuring the shadow of the native by > the astrologer and making predictions based on that. Is there a > difference of understanding? > > > > Agood friend of mine is a native astrologer.Let me find out from > him also.> > > > Thanks for informing us about the amazing accuracy of the Nadi > system in good old days. Some moths before I went to Vaiteeswaram > Koil but I couldn't find a good Nadi reader who still depends of Nadi > leaves. (I have tested had the reading from almost 5 of them, and > many were reluctant to read may since from the beginning conversation > they felt that I am searching for the original system. The Nadi > readers I got readings include Siva swami, Poosamuthu etc, the

famous > readers in the current stage of the system. But sorry to say, they > are not depending on Nadi leaves now a days)> > > > A photograph of a Nadi leaf with writings is shown in > naadindia.com This is possibly a original leaf.?we may have to take > for granted.?> > > > You are right.Inrecent times I had no occasion to consult any > Nadi reader.These days people are after making money.?Fakes are there > in every walk of life.?> > > > ==>> > Astrologers at the helm are yet to have even an iota of an idea > as to how such a fete could be done.?or achieved.Of course they may > be trying wholeheartedly.Perhaps they are not disclosing their > secrets.> > <==> > May be - Thanks again. We look forward to learn a lot more > from you. > > > > P.S. I have seen the reading you

have done for Pradeep ji. It > seems that you depend very much on Jaimini system of astrology as > well. Please teach us by analysing some horoscopes based on that as > well when the chance comes. By the way are you from > > Kerala? > > > > Sir,> > I am not from Kerala.I am from Chittoor district.I always like to > be in the last in the que ue of others.> > Love,> > Sreenadh> > > > kapisthalam jagannathan <jagannathankr@> wrote:> > > > Dear Sir.> > I am happy to see your kind reply..In the good olden days ,if my > memory is right and subject to verification, people used to arrive at > Janma lagnam by measuring shadow.> > A very interesting and connected incident is that once I went > to Kancheepuram of Tamil Nadu ie a place near Chennai,along with one > of my friends to get a

"Nadi Reading" about his brother as his > brother was then kept under custody of the police.> > We could not produce his thumb impression ,obviously, to the Nadi > reader.> > As then I knew only the lagnam of that person I could tell the > Nadi reader only the Janma Lagnam of that gentleman.Astoundingly the > Nadi reader after going through the "Index" leaves picked up the Nadi-> Leaf of my friends brother.He then drew the map of heavens of that > person and readout every detail of him meticulously to our utter > amazment.His Janma Lagnam was "Thula Lagnam".> > > > He said that at that point of time the native would be under the > custody of police.,thatvery important persons and officers would help > the native to come out of the mess,etc.Indeed things happened so > later.> > I came across one interesting method to arrive at lagnam

etc.Let > us take a males horoscope for our study.If Jupiter venus > and "Sathamadhipathy" are placed in the three Sthirarasis or at > angles to eachother anywhere,then one of such rasis which may be at > angles to the rest of rasis where Jupiter,Venus > and "Sapthamadhipathy" are situated, will be the JanmaLagnam or Janma > rasi of the would wife.I request those who have curiosity or > interest to verify the same with reference to actual charts. > > > > Astrologers at the helm are yet to have even an iota of an idea > as to how such a fete could be done.?or achieved.Of course they may > be trying wholeheartedly.Perhaps they are not disclosing their > secrets.> > regards,> > jagannathan.> > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:> > Dear Jagannathan ji,> > You could be right - lagna (better we should use the word

Arudha) > > can be arrived at by measuring the chaaya and then implementing > some > > mathematical methods. That is a possibility, and then the total > > Prasna system can be super imposed on it. But is there any classic > > that describe such a method?> > Love,> > Sreenadh> > > > , kapisthalam > > jagannathan <jagannathankr@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sir,> > > Possibly the lagnam is arrived at by measuring the "chaaya".> > > Regards,> > > Jagannathan.> > > > > > sree nadh <sreesog@> wrote:> > > Dear Pradeep ji,> > > ==>> > > I have also heard of people who make accurate predictions from > > the

soles of the footwear from the way it is worn out by use. > > > <==> > > That is part of Samudrika Sastra.> > > ==>> > > Also I believe there are people in north Karnataka who reveal > > your future just from the thumb and can even cast your horoscope > > from the thumb. > > > <==> > > That is Nadi system of astrology popular in Tamilnadu (from > > there only it came to Karnadka as well)> > > ==>> > > Then there are predictions made by jyotishis from the way people > > stand/sit around them in the rasis in the imaginary chart cast > around > > them.> > > <==> > > Read Prasnamarga. It is part of Normal system of Prasna as well > > depicted in Prasnamarga.> > > ==>> > > Just like Yogi Karveji who reads the exact TOB from one's

> > face/forehead.> > > <==> > > Part of Samudrika sastra, but there is the Psychic bit as well.> > > ==>> > > May be there are many more of such unique and rare methods which > > our esteemed members can bring to our notice.> > > <==> > > Yap, we are burdened with the know methods itself, since even > > they produce indigestion. > > > > > > Love,> > > Sreenadh> > > > > > Pradeep <psd1955@> wrote:> > > Dear Sreenadh,> > > > > > Though I have heard about this 'shadow reading' many years ago > > this is the first time I have read about someone's direct > experience > > with it (this jyotishi was from Cambay in the late 1940's).> > > > > > I have also heard of people who make accurate

predictions from > > the soles of the footwear from the way it is worn out by use. > > > > > > Also I believe there are people in north Karnataka who reveal > > your future just from the thumb and can even cast your horoscope > > from the thumb. > > > > > > Then there are predictions made by jyotishis from the way people > > stand/sit around them in the rasis in the imaginary chart cast > around > > them.> > > > > > Just like Yogi Karveji who reads the exact TOB from one's > > face/forehead.> > > > > > May be there are many more of such unique and rare methods which > > our esteemed members can bring to our notice.> > > > > > All this .... to say the least is very fascinating !!> > > > > > Regards,> > > Pradeep> >

> > > > - > > > arkaydash > > > > > > Friday, June 16, 2006 11:19 PM> > > Re: Chhaya jyotishi> > > > > > > > > Dear Shreenadh,> > > Come on, you must be aware of this shadowy thing of > > > futurology ,ain't you? It is in vogue in South India and most > > > likely in Kerala (this I will soon confirm). (And then you and I > > > will take a southerly trip to peep into the shadows we cast, > thanks > > > to Sun!) > > > > > > KN Rao (as well as BV Raman, I think) has written about it. And > its > > > precision. > > > > >

> RK> > > > > > , "Sreenadh" > > > <sreesog@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Pradeep ji,> > > > Good to hear that from a non believer of astrology like > Verghese > > > > Kurien. > > > > But I am hearing about this system of "Chhaya jyotish" for the > > > first > > > > time! May be he was using some 'Samudrika Sastra" methods. Can > > you > > > > shed some more light on this system? In whcih part of India > this > > > > method is practiced, and what is the text they depend upon? Or > is > > > it > > > > just a traditional method?> > > > > > > > Love,> >

> > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > , "Pradeep" > > > > <psd1955@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear members,> > > > > > > > > > I have been reading the beautifully written autobiography of > > the > > > > great V.Kurien "Father of the white revolution" who > > revolutionised > > > > milk production through the milk cooperative at Anand (Gujarat)> > > > under "AMUL" brand.> > > > > > > > > > An interesting extract from (page 26)> > > > > > > > > > "I too had a dream" by Verghese Kurien> > > > > > > > > > " Around this time my friend Medora,

now a chemist with the > > > Bombay > > > > Milk Scheme's laboratory at Anand, asked me to accompany him > and > > > his > > > > brother on a rather unusual trip. His brother wanted to consult > a > > > > chhaya jyotishi in Cambay. The chhaya jyotishi measured your > > > shadow > > > > in the noonday sun, consulted his collection of ancient > > parchments > > > > and looked for the one that matched with the measurement of > your > > > > shadow and predicted the future.> > > > > > > > > > ...........> > > > > > > > > > "After Medora's brother got his shadow 'read', they persuded > me > > > to > > > > do the same. So as not to appear a spoilsport and also for some > > > fun I

> > > > stood in the sun with the jyotishi measured my shadow. > Shuffling > > > > through the bunch of parchment-like leaves, and finding what he > > > was > > > > looking for, he read out: "You have no faith." I told him he > was > > > > absolutely right: I was an atheist. Ignoring me, he continued > to > > > read > > > > out some details about my family and childhood which turned out > > to > > > be > > > > absolutely accurate. He then asked me if he could read me my > > > future. > > > > By this time I was rather intrigued so I agreed.> > > > > > > > > > "Among the many things the jyotishi told me, a particular > > detail > > > > remained firmly stuck in my mind: 'You are very unhappy in your >

> > job > > > > right now but within a month you will change it and then you > > > should > > > > just sit back and watch,' he read out. 'Your career is set for > a > > > > phenomenal rise - the kind you can never imagine.' I had smiled > > > > sceptically to myself then, but in hindsight what he predicted > > > could > > > > not have been truer. Within a month I left the government > > creamery > > > to > > > > join the Kaira cooperative. The rest, as they say, is history. > > > Till > > > > today I have not arrived at any rational explanation for the > > > Chhaya > > > > jyotishi's prophecies. Certainly it did not turn me into a > > > believer. > > > > I continue to have no faith in occult matters and consider

this > > > > little incident as simply one of life's curious incidents."> > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > Pradeep> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. > > Great rates starting at 1¢/min. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jagannathan .> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jagannathan .> > > > > > > > Sports Fantasy Football '06 - Go

with the leader. Start > your league today! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jagannathan .> >> > > > > > > > > > Jagannathan .>

Jagannathan .

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Dear All,

Yesterday I bought a book on "Hanuman Jyothish", a collection of some locally popular astrological systems which traditionally gets associated with the Tantric systems related to "Hanuman". Most of them are simple predictions using charts or chakras. The text I bought does not seemed to be authentic and didn't gave the original sources clearly. (It is compiled by one "Pramod Sagar" and published by "Manoj Packet Books") In one of its chapters, I found some slokas related to omen interpretation related to crows. The chapter started with the words, "Nagarjuna Uvacha". As some of you may know "Nagarjuna" is a popular Tantric Guru who wrote Tantric texts like "Kakshapuda" which contains astrology (Kala Tantra) Medicine (Kalamantra) etc as well. He is reputed guru of Ayurveda as well. What ever that be, Nagarjuna is a well respected Guru of the Tantric Stream, even though his Tantri/Matric books contain a large amount of superstitions as well. The purpose of telling it all here is that, I found some info about "Chhaya prasna" and the end of this chapter on `omens related to crows' in this text of `Hanuman Jyotish". In the last but one sloka of this chapter is as follows:

"Dharopari Trimsavid khande `aava aava' swaram punaH

Yeda ratati kakastada dukhavarta kathayati"

Meaning (During Prasna) if in the 3rd Khanda of a day crow cries that would sound `aava aava', then the astrologer should think that some danger is going to happen for that individual.

I am not much interested in this bit of info, since I am not an expert in animal behavior, or understanding and interpreting the behavior and sounds of birds and animal. But notice the fact that above quoted, Nagarjuna slokas is in Sanskrit. After this sloka two versions of "Chhaya Prasna" are mentioned by the compiler of the book Hanuman jyothis (pramod sagar).

1) Chhaya Prasna – 1st Version

As an extension to the above sloka the compiler (of the book `Hanuman Jyotish') quotes some local Hindi slokas that are related to "Chhaya Prasna". Look at what he quotes, after saying "Punar vaktavayam adhikokti" (Then I am going to say some extra things that can be said along with) –

"Kaka jo bole apana man. Chhaya napike keeje dugane.

Sapta bhag se baki joyi. Bole kak pramane hai soyi.

Ek rahai to bhojanakari. Dooja lambi jaya savari.

Teeje mrityu yatra pavai. Choudha kalaha aag jalavai

Panch se mangal yatra kahai. Soonya aru chaH tij man ko lahai"

Notice that the language of this sloka is ancient Hindi, that sounds similar to some doha of Kabir. The meaning of the sloka is –

When the crow sounds like that, measure the shadow of the native in angulas (an ancient unit of length). Then multiply this length with two and divide it with seven. Take the remainder and based on that (based on the planet indicated by that number?) give the predictions. The predictions given should be 1- gain of food, 2- birth of someone, 3-death of someone, 4-more troubles, 5-getting a good message, 6-no prediction, 7-no prediction. If six or seven is the remainder then think that the crow is speaking it own language and that it is not related to that Prasna.

Why it interests me? It seems that if we remove the crow from this slokas, then a new system of Prasna emerges. The advice would be –

"Measure the shadow of the native in angulas (an ancient unit of length). Then multiply this length with two and divide it with seven. Take the remainder and the based on the planet indicated by that number give the elaborate predictions. Take the sign in which the planet is placed as the Chhaya Arudha (Shadow Arudha). The simple predictions for the remainder number would be, 1- gain of food, 2- birth of someone, 3-death of someone, 4-more troubles, 5-getting a good message, 6-no prediction, 0-no prediction. If six or seven is the remainder then think that the crow is speaking it own language and that it is not related to that Prasna. And so if the remainder is 6 or 0 (7) then depend totally on the Chhaya Arudha. Taking that sign as the starting point and considering the planetary placement at the time of Prasna related to that Arudha, we can give the total predictions for that native".

Why such a conclusion?! Because there are already several similar systems present as part of normal prasna system of astrology. To mention some – Tamboola Prasna, Akshara Prasna, Dinanadika Prasna etc follow a similar scheme. If this is the case then it becomes clear that Chhaya Jotish or Chhaya Prasna is a sub system (or local deviation) of the normal prasna system that is followed everywhere. And also that it is just part of the normal system of astrology. Nothing much new info is there related to that, except the above quoted bit of info. The length of shadow of the native would be just used to determine the planet and thus (from the placement of the planet in any sign) to derive "Chhaya Arudha". Taking that sign as the starting point and considering the planetary placement at the time of Prasna related to that Arudha, we can give the total predictions for that native.

The above method is briefed by Nagarjuna in Sanskrit as – "Saptaguli parimita chhaya cha dwiguneekrita". Meaning, Multiply the shadow length (of the native) by two and divide by seven. (and give predictions based on that). The total system of "Chhaya Prasna" is based on this sloka bit by Nagarguna that is part of Tantric school of astrology.

The author of the book "Hanuman Jyotish" gives one more interpretation to this bit, which is given below-

2) Chhaya Prasna – 2nd Version

Take a stick (pole) of 7 angula length and measure the length of the shadow of this pole at the time of Prasna. Multiply it by two and divide the result by seven. Give the prediction based on the remainder number (as given above).

Here the difference in system followed is only that the instead of the length of the shadow of the native, the length of shadow the seven angula pole is measured at the time of Prasna. Here also the above sloka bit by Nagarguna forms the supporting base and nothing else. Since there is no supporting indication for "Take a stick (pole) of 7 angula length" in the Nagarjuna sloka bit, I feel that the first version is slightly better than this one.

I think this clarifies what "Chhaya Jyotish" is or better, what Chhaya Prasna is. Thus to conclude "Chhaya Prasna" is an extension of the normal system of Prasna by some local astrologers, based on some slight directions given by the Tantric guru Nagarguna. May be it is also possible that this system is adopted by astrologers who depend on "Hanuman Jyothish" of Tantric astrology than the followers of other streams. But I can not hold wondering how both these streams of "Nagarguna system of Tantric astrology" and "Hanuman system of Tantric astrology" are related. Is it that both are part of Tantric astrology, that holds the link?! I can not also stop wondering – how and why when books and related slokas came to me from nowhere when I just gets interested in them!

Love,

Sreenadh

 

, "Sreenadh" <sreesog wrote:>> Dear Jagannathan ji,> You could be right - lagna (better we should use the word Arudha) > can be arrived at by measuring the chaaya and then implementing some > mathematical methods. That is a possibility, and then the total > Prasna system can be super imposed on it. But is there any classic > that describe such a method?> Love,> Sreenadh> > , kapisthalam > jagannathan jagannathankr@ wrote:> >> > Dear Sir,> > Possibly the lagnam is arrived at by measuring the "chaaya".> > Regards,> > Jagannathan.> > > > sree nadh sreesog@ wrote:> > Dear Pradeep ji,> > ==>> > I have also heard of people who make accurate predictions from > the soles of the footwear from the way it is worn out by use. > > <==> > That is part of Samudrika Sastra.> > ==>> > Also I believe there are people in north Karnataka who reveal > your future just from the thumb and can even cast your horoscope > from the thumb. > > <==> > That is Nadi system of astrology popular in Tamilnadu (from > there only it came to Karnadka as well)> > ==>> > Then there are predictions made by jyotishis from the way people > stand/sit around them in the rasis in the imaginary chart cast around > them.> > <==> > Read Prasnamarga. It is part of Normal system of Prasna as well > depicted in Prasnamarga.> > ==>> > Just like Yogi Karveji who reads the exact TOB from one's > face/forehead.> > <==> > Part of Samudrika sastra, but there is the Psychic bit as well.> > ==>> > May be there are many more of such unique and rare methods which > our esteemed members can bring to our notice.> > <==> > Yap, we are burdened with the know methods itself, since even > they produce indigestion. > > > > Love,> > Sreenadh> > > > Pradeep psd1955@ wrote:> > Dear Sreenadh,> > > > Though I have heard about this 'shadow reading' many years ago > this is the first time I have read about someone's direct experience > with it (this jyotishi was from Cambay in the late 1940's).> > > > I have also heard of people who make accurate predictions from > the soles of the footwear from the way it is worn out by use. > > > > Also I believe there are people in north Karnataka who reveal > your future just from the thumb and can even cast your horoscope > from the thumb. > > > > Then there are predictions made by jyotishis from the way people > stand/sit around them in the rasis in the imaginary chart cast around > them.> > > > Just like Yogi Karveji who reads the exact TOB from one's > face/forehead.> > > > May be there are many more of such unique and rare methods which > our esteemed members can bring to our notice.> > > > All this .... to say the least is very fascinating !!> > > > Regards,> > Pradeep> > > > - > > arkaydash > > > > Friday, June 16, 2006 11:19 PM> > Re: Chhaya jyotishi> > > > > > Dear Shreenadh,> > Come on, you must be aware of this shadowy thing of > > futurology ,ain't you? It is in vogue in South India and most > > likely in Kerala (this I will soon confirm). (And then you and I > > will take a southerly trip to peep into the shadows we cast, thanks > > to Sun!) > > > > KN Rao (as well as BV Raman, I think) has written about it. And its > > precision. > > > > RK> > > > , "Sreenadh" > > <sreesog@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Pradeep ji,> > > Good to hear that from a non believer of astrology like Verghese > > > Kurien. > > > But I am hearing about this system of "Chhaya jyotish" for the > > first > > > time! May be he was using some 'Samudrika Sastra" methods. Can > you > > > shed some more light on this system? In whcih part of India this > > > method is practiced, and what is the text they depend upon? Or is > > it > > > just a traditional method?> > > > > > Love,> > > Sreenadh> > > > > > , "Pradeep" > > > <psd1955@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear members,> > > > > > > > I have been reading the beautifully written autobiography of > the > > > great V.Kurien "Father of the white revolution" who > revolutionised > > > milk production through the milk cooperative at Anand (Gujarat)> > > under "AMUL" brand.> > > > > > > > An interesting extract from (page 26)> > > > > > > > "I too had a dream" by Verghese Kurien> > > > > > > > " Around this time my friend Medora, now a chemist with the > > Bombay > > > Milk Scheme's laboratory at Anand, asked me to accompany him and > > his > > > brother on a rather unusual trip. His brother wanted to consult a > > > chhaya jyotishi in Cambay. The chhaya jyotishi measured your > > shadow > > > in the noonday sun, consulted his collection of ancient > parchments > > > and looked for the one that matched with the measurement of your > > > shadow and predicted the future.> > > > > > > > ...........> > > > > > > > "After Medora's brother got his shadow 'read', they persuded me > > to > > > do the same. So as not to appear a spoilsport and also for some > > fun I > > > stood in the sun with the jyotishi measured my shadow. Shuffling > > > through the bunch of parchment-like leaves, and finding what he > > was > > > looking for, he read out: "You have no faith." I told him he was > > > absolutely right: I was an atheist. Ignoring me, he continued to > > read > > > out some details about my family and childhood which turned out > to > > be > > > absolutely accurate. He then asked me if he could read me my > > future. > > > By this time I was rather intrigued so I agreed.> > > > > > > > "Among the many things the jyotishi told me, a particular > detail > > > remained firmly stuck in my mind: 'You are very unhappy in your > > job > > > right now but within a month you will change it and then you > > should > > > just sit back and watch,' he read out. 'Your career is set for a > > > phenomenal rise - the kind you can never imagine.' I had smiled > > > sceptically to myself then, but in hindsight what he predicted > > could > > > not have been truer. Within a month I left the government > creamery > > to > > > join the Kaira cooperative. The rest, as they say, is history. > > Till > > > today I have not arrived at any rational explanation for the > > Chhaya > > > jyotishi's prophecies. Certainly it did not turn me into a > > believer. > > > I continue to have no faith in occult matters and consider this > > > little incident as simply one of life's curious incidents."> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > Pradeep> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. > Great rates starting at 1¢/min. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jagannathan .> >>

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I can not also stop wondering – how and why when books and related

slokas came to me from nowhere when I just get interested in them!

 

 

I read something similar about scientists when performing

experiments on sub-atomic particles felt that the outcome of the

experiment had an uncanny relationship with the observer / the

person conducting the experiment.

 

Almost as if when these particles were put under observation they

got influenced by the person observing them.

 

The role of conscious thought?

The role of interconnectedness of the universe?

The fact that everything is in a flux? is fluid? not discrete but in

a constant flow of waves? where thought too has a vibration? which

connects somewhere?

 

ogy , " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote:

>

>

>

> Dear All,

>

> Yesterday I bought a book on " Hanuman Jyothish " , a collection

> of some locally popular astrological systems which traditionally

gets

> associated with the Tantric systems related to " Hanuman " . Most

> of them are simple predictions using charts or chakras. The text I

> bought does not seemed to be authentic and didn't gave the original

> sources clearly. (It is compiled by one " Pramod Sagar " and

> published by " Manoj Packet Books " ) In one of its chapters, I

> found some slokas related to omen interpretation related to crows.

The

> chapter started with the words, " Nagarjuna Uvacha " . As some of

> you may know " Nagarjuna " is a popular Tantric Guru who wrote

> Tantric texts like " Kakshapuda " which contains astrology (Kala

> Tantra) Medicine (Kalamantra) etc as well. He is reputed guru of

> Ayurveda as well. What ever that be, Nagarjuna is a well respected

Guru

> of the Tantric Stream, even though his Tantri/Matric books contain

a

> large amount of superstitions as well. The purpose of telling it

all

> here is that, I found some info about " Chhaya prasna " and the

> end of this chapter on `omens related to crows' in this text of

> `Hanuman Jyotish " . In the last but one sloka of this chapter is

> as follows:

>

> " Dharopari Trimsavid khande `aava aava' swaram punaH

>

> Yeda ratati kakastada dukhavarta kathayati "

>

> Meaning (During Prasna) if in the 3rd Khanda of a day crow cries

that

> would sound `aava aava', then the astrologer should think that

> some danger is going to happen for that individual.

>

> I am not much interested in this bit of info, since I

am not

> an expert in animal behavior, or understanding and interpreting the

> behavior and sounds of birds and animal. But notice the fact

that

> above quoted, Nagarjuna slokas is in Sanskrit. After this sloka two

> versions of " Chhaya Prasna " are mentioned by the compiler of the

> book Hanuman jyothis (pramod sagar).

>

> 1) Chhaya Prasna – 1st Version

>

> As an extension to the above sloka the compiler (of the book

> `Hanuman Jyotish') quotes some local Hindi slokas that are

> related to " Chhaya Prasna " . Look at what he quotes, after saying

> " Punar vaktavayam adhikokti " (Then I am going to say some extra

> things that can be said along with) –

>

> " Kaka jo bole apana man. Chhaya napike keeje dugane.

>

> Sapta bhag se baki joyi. Bole kak pramane hai soyi.

>

> Ek rahai to bhojanakari. Dooja lambi jaya savari.

>

> Teeje mrityu yatra pavai. Choudha kalaha aag jalavai

>

> Panch se mangal yatra kahai. Soonya aru chaH tij man ko lahai "

>

> Notice that the language of this sloka is ancient Hindi, that

sounds

> similar to some doha of Kabir. The meaning of the sloka is –

>

> When the crow sounds like that, measure the shadow of the native in

> angulas (an ancient unit of length). Then multiply this length

with two

> and divide it with seven. Take the remainder and based on that

(based on

> the planet indicated by that number?) give the predictions. The

> predictions given should be 1- gain of food, 2- birth of someone,

> 3-death of someone, 4-more troubles, 5-getting a good message, 6-no

> prediction, 7-no prediction. If six or seven is the remainder then

think

> that the crow is speaking it own language and that it is not

related to

> that Prasna.

>

> Why it interests me? It seems that if we remove the

crow

> from this slokas, then a new system of Prasna emerges. The advice

would

> be –

>

> " Measure the shadow of the native in angulas (an ancient unit of

> length). Then multiply this length with two and divide it with

seven.

> Take the remainder and the based on the planet indicated by that

number

> give the elaborate predictions. Take the sign in which the planet

is

> placed as the Chhaya Arudha (Shadow Arudha). The simple

predictions for

> the remainder number would be, 1- gain of food, 2- birth of

someone,

> 3-death of someone, 4-more troubles, 5-getting a good message, 6-no

> prediction, 0-no prediction. If six or seven is the remainder then

think

> that the crow is speaking it own language and that it is not

related to

> that Prasna. And so if the remainder is 6 or 0 (7) then depend

totally

> on the Chhaya Arudha. Taking that sign as the starting point and

> considering the planetary placement at the time of Prasna related

to

> that Arudha, we can give the total predictions for that native " .

>

> Why such a conclusion?! Because there are already

several

> similar systems present as part of normal prasna system of

astrology. To

> mention some – Tamboola Prasna, Akshara Prasna, Dinanadika Prasna

> etc follow a similar scheme. If this is the case then it becomes

clear

> that Chhaya Jotish or Chhaya Prasna is a sub system (or local

deviation)

> of the normal prasna system that is followed everywhere. And also

that

> it is just part of the normal system of astrology. Nothing much

new info

> is there related to that, except the above quoted bit of info. The

> length of shadow of the native would be just used to determine the

> planet and thus (from the placement of the planet in any sign) to

derive

> " Chhaya Arudha " . Taking that sign as the starting point and

> considering the planetary placement at the time of Prasna related

to

> that Arudha, we can give the total predictions for that native.

>

> The above method is briefed by Nagarjuna in Sanskrit

as

> – " Saptaguli parimita chhaya cha dwiguneekrita " . Meaning,

> Multiply the shadow length (of the native) by two and divide by

seven.

> (and give predictions based on that). The total system of " Chhaya

> Prasna " is based on this sloka bit by Nagarguna that is part of

> Tantric school of astrology.

>

> The author of the book " Hanuman Jyotish " gives one

> more interpretation to this bit, which is given below-

>

> 2) Chhaya Prasna – 2nd Version

>

> Take a stick (pole) of 7 angula length and measure the length of

the

> shadow of this pole at the time of Prasna. Multiply it by two and

divide

> the result by seven. Give the prediction based on the remainder

number

> (as given above).

>

> Here the difference in system followed is only that the instead of

the

> length of the shadow of the native, the length of shadow the seven

> angula pole is measured at the time of Prasna. Here also the above

sloka

> bit by Nagarguna forms the supporting base and nothing else. Since

there

> is no supporting indication for " Take a stick (pole) of 7 angula

> length " in the Nagarjuna sloka bit, I feel that the first version

is

> slightly better than this one.

>

> I think this clarifies what " Chhaya Jyotish " is or better, what

> Chhaya Prasna is. Thus to conclude " Chhaya Prasna " is an

> extension of the normal system of Prasna by some local astrologers,

> based on some slight directions given by the Tantric guru

Nagarguna. May

> be it is also possible that this system is adopted by astrologers

who

> depend on " Hanuman Jyothish " of Tantric astrology than the

> followers of other streams. But I can not hold wondering how both

these

> streams of " Nagarguna system of Tantric astrology " and

> " Hanuman system of Tantric astrology " are related. Is it that

> both are part of Tantric astrology, that holds the link?! I can

not also

> stop wondering – how and why when books and related slokas came to

> me from nowhere when I just gets interested in them!

>

> Love,

>

> Sreenadh

>

>

> , " Sreenadh "

> <sreesog@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Jagannathan ji,

> > You could be right - lagna (better we should use the word Arudha)

> > can be arrived at by measuring the chaaya and then implementing

some

> > mathematical methods. That is a possibility, and then the total

> > Prasna system can be super imposed on it. But is there any

classic

> > that describe such a method?

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > , kapisthalam

> > jagannathan jagannathankr@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sir,

> > > Possibly the lagnam is arrived at by measuring the " chaaya " .

> > > Regards,

> > > Jagannathan.

> > >

> > > sree nadh sreesog@ wrote:

> > > Dear Pradeep ji,

> > > ==>

> > > I have also heard of people who make accurate predictions from

> > the soles of the footwear from the way it is worn out by use.

> > > <==

> > > That is part of Samudrika Sastra.

> > > ==>

> > > Also I believe there are people in north Karnataka who reveal

> > your future just from the thumb and can even cast your horoscope

> > from the thumb.

> > > <==

> > > That is Nadi system of astrology popular in Tamilnadu (from

> > there only it came to Karnadka as well)

> > > ==>

> > > Then there are predictions made by jyotishis from the way

people

> > stand/sit around them in the rasis in the imaginary chart cast

around

> > them.

> > > <==

> > > Read Prasnamarga. It is part of Normal system of Prasna as well

> > depicted in Prasnamarga.

> > > ==>

> > > Just like Yogi Karveji who reads the exact TOB from one's

> > face/forehead.

> > > <==

> > > Part of Samudrika sastra, but there is the Psychic bit as well.

> > > ==>

> > > May be there are many more of such unique and rare methods

which

> > our esteemed members can bring to our notice.

> > > <==

> > > Yap, we are burdened with the know methods itself, since even

> > they produce indigestion.

> > >

> > > Love,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > > Pradeep psd1955@ wrote:

> > > Dear Sreenadh,

> > >

> > > Though I have heard about this 'shadow reading' many years ago

> > this is the first time I have read about someone's direct

experience

> > with it (this jyotishi was from Cambay in the late 1940's).

> > >

> > > I have also heard of people who make accurate predictions from

> > the soles of the footwear from the way it is worn out by use.

> > >

> > > Also I believe there are people in north Karnataka who reveal

> > your future just from the thumb and can even cast your horoscope

> > from the thumb.

> > >

> > > Then there are predictions made by jyotishis from the way

people

> > stand/sit around them in the rasis in the imaginary chart cast

around

> > them.

> > >

> > > Just like Yogi Karveji who reads the exact TOB from one's

> > face/forehead.

> > >

> > > May be there are many more of such unique and rare methods

which

> > our esteemed members can bring to our notice.

> > >

> > > All this .... to say the least is very fascinating !!

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Pradeep

> > >

> > > -

> > > arkaydash

> > >

> > > Friday, June 16, 2006 11:19 PM

> > > Re: Chhaya jyotishi

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Shreenadh,

> > > Come on, you must be aware of this shadowy thing of

> > > futurology ,ain't you? It is in vogue in South India and

most

> > > likely in Kerala (this I will soon confirm). (And then you and

I

> > > will take a southerly trip to peep into the shadows we cast,

thanks

> > > to Sun!)

> > >

> > > KN Rao (as well as BV Raman, I think) has written about it.

And its

> > > precision.

> > >

> > > RK

> > >

> > > , " Sreenadh "

> > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Pradeep ji,

> > > > Good to hear that from a non believer of astrology like

Verghese

> > > > Kurien.

> > > > But I am hearing about this system of " Chhaya jyotish " for

the

> > > first

> > > > time! May be he was using some 'Samudrika Sastra " methods.

Can

> > you

> > > > shed some more light on this system? In whcih part of India

this

> > > > method is practiced, and what is the text they depend upon?

Or is

> > > it

> > > > just a traditional method?

> > > >

> > > > Love,

> > > > Sreenadh

> > > >

> > > > , " Pradeep "

> > > > <psd1955@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear members,

> > > > >

> > > > > I have been reading the beautifully written autobiography

of

> > the

> > > > great V.Kurien " Father of the white revolution " who

> > revolutionised

> > > > milk production through the milk cooperative at Anand

(Gujarat)

> > > > under " AMUL " brand.

> > > > >

> > > > > An interesting extract from (page 26)

> > > > >

> > > > > " I too had a dream " by Verghese Kurien

> > > > >

> > > > > " Around this time my friend Medora, now a chemist with the

> > > Bombay

> > > > Milk Scheme's laboratory at Anand, asked me to accompany him

and

> > > his

> > > > brother on a rather unusual trip. His brother wanted to

consult a

> > > > chhaya jyotishi in Cambay. The chhaya jyotishi measured your

> > > shadow

> > > > in the noonday sun, consulted his collection of ancient

> > parchments

> > > > and looked for the one that matched with the measurement of

your

> > > > shadow and predicted the future.

> > > > >

> > > > > ...........

> > > > >

> > > > > " After Medora's brother got his shadow 'read', they

persuded me

> > > to

> > > > do the same. So as not to appear a spoilsport and also for

some

> > > fun I

> > > > stood in the sun with the jyotishi measured my shadow.

Shuffling

> > > > through the bunch of parchment-like leaves, and finding what

he

> > > was

> > > > looking for, he read out: " You have no faith. " I told him he

was

> > > > absolutely right: I was an atheist. Ignoring me, he

continued to

> > > read

> > > > out some details about my family and childhood which turned

out

> > to

> > > be

> > > > absolutely accurate. He then asked me if he could read me my

> > > future.

> > > > By this time I was rather intrigued so I agreed.

> > > > >

> > > > > " Among the many things the jyotishi told me, a particular

> > detail

> > > > remained firmly stuck in my mind: 'You are very unhappy in

your

> > > job

> > > > right now but within a month you will change it and then you

> > > should

> > > > just sit back and watch,' he read out. 'Your career is set

for a

> > > > phenomenal rise - the kind you can never imagine.' I had

smiled

> > > > sceptically to myself then, but in hindsight what he

predicted

> > > could

> > > > not have been truer. Within a month I left the government

> > creamery

> > > to

> > > > join the Kaira cooperative. The rest, as they say, is

history.

> > > Till

> > > > today I have not arrived at any rational explanation for the

> > > Chhaya

> > > > jyotishi's prophecies. Certainly it did not turn me into a

> > > believer.

> > > > I continue to have no faith in occult matters and consider

this

> > > > little incident as simply one of life's curious incidents. "

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Pradeep

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls.

> > Great rates starting at 1¢/min.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Jagannathan .

> > >

> >

>

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Dear All, Thanks to Jagannathan Ji also for his guidance. Look at the accuracy of the pointing finger - > Possibly the lagnam is arrived at by measuring the "chaaya". We should search for more slokas related to this method as well. Re-reading the words by Verghese Kurien - <SNIP>> After Medora's brother got his shadow 'read', they persuded me to > do the same. So as not to appear a spoilsport and also for some fun I > stood in the sun with the jyotishi measured my shadow. Shuffling > through the bunch of parchment-like leaves, and finding what he was > looking for, he read out: "You have no faith." </SNIP> Those "parchment-like leaves"

could be some manuscript of normal astrology (since, once the Arudha is determined based on shadow it is easy to make predictions based on normal prasna system of astrology) or could be some special manuscript on "Chhaya Prasna". This points to necessity of further search for unique texts that deals with "Chhaya Prasna" alone or describes "Chhaya Prasna" in more detail. But for know I think we know what it is. Therefore, as far as its accuracy is concerned "It can be accurate only as much as normal system of Prasna - nothing more nothing less". Or better, It is just a small side stream of normal

prasna system. This helps us to come out of wondering about the mystery of this system - and get fascinated too much and erroneously judging by mistake that it is better than normal system of astrology. Love, Sreenadh Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: Dear All, Yesterday I bought a book on "Hanuman Jyothish", a collection of some locally popular astrological systems which traditionally gets

associated with the Tantric systems related to "Hanuman". Most of them are simple predictions using charts or chakras. The text I bought does not seemed to be authentic and didn't gave the original sources clearly. (It is compiled by one "Pramod Sagar" and published by "Manoj Packet Books") In one of its chapters, I found some slokas related to omen interpretation related to crows. The chapter started with the words, "Nagarjuna Uvacha". As some of you may know "Nagarjuna" is a popular Tantric Guru who wrote Tantric texts like "Kakshapuda" which contains astrology (Kala Tantra) Medicine (Kalamantra) etc as well. He is reputed guru of Ayurveda as well. What ever that be, Nagarjuna is a well respected Guru of the Tantric Stream, even though his Tantri/Matric books contain a large amount of superstitions as well. The purpose of telling it all here is that, I found some info about "Chhaya prasna" and the end of this chapter on `omens related to crows' in this text of `Hanuman

Jyotish". In the last but one sloka of this chapter is as follows: "Dharopari Trimsavid khande `aava aava' swaram punaH Yeda ratati kakastada dukhavarta kathayati" Meaning (During Prasna) if in the 3rd Khanda of a day crow cries that would sound `aava aava', then the astrologer should think that some danger is going to happen for that individual. I am not much interested in this bit of info, since I am not an expert in animal behavior, or understanding and interpreting the behavior and sounds of birds and animal. But notice the fact that above quoted, Nagarjuna slokas is in Sanskrit. After this sloka

two versions of "Chhaya Prasna" are mentioned by the compiler of the book Hanuman jyothis (pramod sagar). 1) Chhaya Prasna – 1st Version As an extension to the above sloka the compiler (of the book `Hanuman Jyotish') quotes some local Hindi slokas that are related to "Chhaya Prasna". Look at what he quotes, after saying "Punar vaktavayam adhikokti" (Then I am going to say some extra things that can be said along with) – "Kaka jo bole apana man. Chhaya napike keeje dugane. Sapta bhag se baki joyi. Bole kak pramane hai soyi. Ek rahai to bhojanakari. Dooja lambi jaya savari. Teeje mrityu yatra pavai. Choudha kalaha aag jalavai Panch se mangal yatra kahai. Soonya aru chaH tij man ko lahai" Notice that the language of this sloka is ancient Hindi, that sounds similar to some doha of Kabir. The meaning of the sloka is – When the crow sounds like that, measure the shadow of the native in angulas (an ancient unit of length). Then multiply this length with two and divide it with seven. Take the remainder and based on that (based on the planet indicated by that number?) give the predictions. The predictions

given should be 1- gain of food, 2- birth of someone, 3-death of someone, 4-more troubles, 5-getting a good message, 6-no prediction, 7-no prediction. If six or seven is the remainder then think that the crow is speaking it own language and that it is not related to that Prasna. Why it interests me? It seems that if we remove the crow from this slokas, then a new system of Prasna emerges. The advice would be – "Measure the shadow of the native in angulas (an ancient unit of length). Then multiply this length with two and divide it with seven. Take the remainder and the based on the planet indicated by that number give the elaborate predictions. Take the sign in which the planet is placed as the Chhaya

Arudha (Shadow Arudha). The simple predictions for the remainder number would be, 1- gain of food, 2- birth of someone, 3-death of someone, 4-more troubles, 5-getting a good message, 6-no prediction, 0-no prediction. If six or seven is the remainder then think that the crow is speaking it own language and that it is not related to that Prasna. And so if the remainder is 6 or 0 (7) then depend totally on the Chhaya Arudha. Taking that sign as the starting point and considering the planetary placement at the time of Prasna related to that Arudha, we can give the total predictions for that native". Why such a conclusion?! Because there are already several similar systems present as part of normal prasna system of astrology. To mention some – Tamboola Prasna, Akshara Prasna, Dinanadika Prasna etc

follow a similar scheme. If this is the case then it becomes clear that Chhaya Jotish or Chhaya Prasna is a sub system (or local deviation) of the normal prasna system that is followed everywhere. And also that it is just part of the normal system of astrology. Nothing much new info is there related to that, except the above quoted bit of info. The length of shadow of the native would be just used to determine the planet and thus (from the placement of the planet in any sign) to derive "Chhaya Arudha". Taking that sign as the starting point and considering the planetary placement at the time of Prasna related to that Arudha, we can give the total predictions for that native. The above method is briefed by Nagarjuna in Sanskrit as – "Saptaguli parimita chhaya cha dwiguneekrita".

Meaning, Multiply the shadow length (of the native) by two and divide by seven. (and give predictions based on that). The total system of "Chhaya Prasna" is based on this sloka bit by Nagarguna that is part of Tantric school of astrology. The author of the book "Hanuman Jyotish" gives one more interpretation to this bit, which is given below- 2) Chhaya Prasna – 2nd Version Take a stick (pole) of 7 angula length and measure the length of the shadow of this pole at the time of Prasna. Multiply it by two and divide the result by seven. Give the prediction based on the remainder number

(as given above). Here the difference in system followed is only that the instead of the length of the shadow of the native, the length of shadow the seven angula pole is measured at the time of Prasna. Here also the above sloka bit by Nagarguna forms the supporting base and nothing else. Since there is no supporting indication for "Take a stick (pole) of 7 angula length" in the Nagarjuna sloka bit, I feel that the first version is slightly better than this one. I think this clarifies what "Chhaya Jyotish" is or better, what Chhaya Prasna is. Thus to conclude "Chhaya Prasna" is an extension of the normal system of Prasna by some local astrologers, based on some slight directions given by the Tantric guru Nagarguna. May be it is also possible that this system is adopted by

astrologers who depend on "Hanuman Jyothish" of Tantric astrology than the followers of other streams. But I can not hold wondering how both these streams of "Nagarguna system of Tantric astrology" and "Hanuman system of Tantric astrology" are related. Is it that both are part of Tantric astrology, that holds the link?! I can not also stop wondering – how and why when books and related slokas came to me from nowhere when I just gets interested in them! Love, Sreenadh , "Sreenadh" <sreesog wrote:>> Dear Jagannathan ji,> You could be right - lagna (better we should use the word Arudha) > can be arrived at by measuring the chaaya and then implementing some > mathematical methods. That is a possibility, and then the

total > Prasna system can be super imposed on it. But is there any classic > that describe such a method?> Love,> Sreenadh> > , kapisthalam > jagannathan jagannathankr@ wrote:> >> > Dear Sir,> > Possibly the lagnam is arrived at by measuring the "chaaya".> > Regards,> > Jagannathan.> > > > sree nadh sreesog@ wrote:> > Dear Pradeep ji,> > ==>> > I have also heard of people who make accurate predictions from > the soles of the footwear from the way it is worn out by use. > > <==> > That is part of Samudrika Sastra.> > ==>> > Also I believe there are people in north Karnataka who reveal > your future just from the thumb and can even cast your horoscope > from the thumb. > > <==> > That is

Nadi system of astrology popular in Tamilnadu (from > there only it came to Karnadka as well)> > ==>> > Then there are predictions made by jyotishis from the way people > stand/sit around them in the rasis in the imaginary chart cast around > them.> > <==> > Read Prasnamarga. It is part of Normal system of Prasna as well > depicted in Prasnamarga.> > ==>> > Just like Yogi Karveji who reads the exact TOB from one's > face/forehead.> > <==> > Part of Samudrika sastra, but there is the Psychic bit as well.> > ==>> > May be there are many more of such unique and rare methods which > our esteemed members can bring to our notice.> > <==> > Yap, we are burdened with the know methods itself, since even > they produce indigestion. > > > > Love,> > Sreenadh>

> > > Pradeep psd1955@ wrote:> > Dear Sreenadh,> > > > Though I have heard about this 'shadow reading' many years ago > this is the first time I have read about someone's direct experience > with it (this jyotishi was from Cambay in the late 1940's).> > > > I have also heard of people who make accurate predictions from > the soles of the footwear from the way it is worn out by use. > > > > Also I believe there are people in north Karnataka who reveal > your future just from the thumb and can even cast your horoscope > from the thumb. > > > > Then there are predictions made by jyotishis from the way people > stand/sit around them in the rasis in the imaginary chart cast around > them.> > > > Just like Yogi Karveji who reads the exact TOB from one's > face/forehead.> > > > May be

there are many more of such unique and rare methods which > our esteemed members can bring to our notice.> > > > All this .... to say the least is very fascinating !!> > > > Regards,> > Pradeep> > > > - > > arkaydash > > > > Friday, June 16, 2006 11:19 PM> > Re: Chhaya jyotishi> > > > > > Dear Shreenadh,> > Come on, you must be aware of this shadowy thing of > > futurology ,ain't you? It is in vogue in South India and most > > likely in Kerala (this I will soon confirm). (And then you and I > > will take a southerly trip to peep into the shadows we cast, thanks > > to Sun!) > > > > KN Rao (as well as BV Raman, I think) has written about

it. And its > > precision. > > > > RK> > > > , "Sreenadh" > > <sreesog@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Pradeep ji,> > > Good to hear that from a non believer of astrology like Verghese > > > Kurien. > > > But I am hearing about this system of "Chhaya jyotish" for the > > first > > > time! May be he was using some 'Samudrika Sastra" methods. Can > you > > > shed some more light on this system? In whcih part of India this > > > method is practiced, and what is the text they depend upon? Or is > > it > > > just a traditional method?> > > > > > Love,> > > Sreenadh> > > > > > , "Pradeep" > > >

<psd1955@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear members,> > > > > > > > I have been reading the beautifully written autobiography of > the > > > great V.Kurien "Father of the white revolution" who > revolutionised > > > milk production through the milk cooperative at Anand (Gujarat)> > > under "AMUL" brand.> > > > > > > > An interesting extract from (page 26)> > > > > > > > "I too had a dream" by Verghese Kurien> > > > > > > > " Around this time my friend Medora, now a chemist with the > > Bombay > > > Milk Scheme's laboratory at Anand, asked me to accompany him and > > his > > > brother on a rather unusual trip. His brother wanted to consult a > > > chhaya jyotishi in Cambay. The chhaya jyotishi measured your

> > shadow > > > in the noonday sun, consulted his collection of ancient > parchments > > > and looked for the one that matched with the measurement of your > > > shadow and predicted the future.> > > > > > > > ...........> > > > > > > > "After Medora's brother got his shadow 'read', they persuded me > > to > > > do the same. So as not to appear a spoilsport and also for some > > fun I > > > stood in the sun with the jyotishi measured my shadow. Shuffling > > > through the bunch of parchment-like leaves, and finding what he > > was > > > looking for, he read out: "You have no faith." I told him he was > > > absolutely right: I was an atheist. Ignoring me, he continued to > > read > > > out some details about my family and childhood which

turned out > to > > be > > > absolutely accurate. He then asked me if he could read me my > > future. > > > By this time I was rather intrigued so I agreed.> > > > > > > > "Among the many things the jyotishi told me, a particular > detail > > > remained firmly stuck in my mind: 'You are very unhappy in your > > job > > > right now but within a month you will change it and then you > > should > > > just sit back and watch,' he read out. 'Your career is set for a > > > phenomenal rise - the kind you can never imagine.' I had smiled > > > sceptically to myself then, but in hindsight what he predicted > > could > > > not have been truer. Within a month I left the government > creamery > > to > > > join the Kaira cooperative. The rest, as they say, is

history. > > Till > > > today I have not arrived at any rational explanation for the > > Chhaya > > > jyotishi's prophecies. Certainly it did not turn me into a > > believer. > > > I continue to have no faith in occult matters and consider this > > > little incident as simply one of life's curious incidents."> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > Pradeep> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. > Great rates starting at 1¢/min. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jagannathan .> >>

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