Guest guest Posted June 8, 2006 Report Share Posted June 8, 2006 Dear Shree Shreenadh, I'm seized of the 12th-ness. I can't say whether Moon lagna is stronger. Sthhula rasi position would have us believe, well, Moon in Cancer gives us Moon lagna validity. In that case every chart with Moon in Cancer can do without the houses to be erected. Funny. (Or just because the bunch of planets are in 10th form Moon?) But which kind of Sanskrit is your interest? And where did I stray in my translation? I'd like to benefit from your uppity Sanskrit with regard to the verse. Pls come out. I repeat, I am seized of the 12th from lagna, which is written off as a dusthhaana. In the chart the 7th lord is in lagna, that being Mars in Ven's sign. 12th is a loaded hse as an adjunct to 7th. And that 12th is overloaded with planets. What is the Kheta-kautuka in Aries, whose lord (also 7th lord) goes to Lagna? RK , " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote: > > Dear RK ji, > Please don't guess it wrong! I was mentioning this kind of sanskrit - > " 8th lord from Mo is debilitated and combusted. It is also the 7th > lord. The Dasa of Ke, placed in 7th already running. Mo eclipsed due > to the presence of Ra. Lagna is weak. The Navamsa of Ke falls in 8th. > The 12th lord from Mo is with the 8th lord " > And not the original Sanskrit. lol. > Hope you could won't mis-understand my statement. > Love, > Sreenadh > > , " arkaydash " > <arkaydash@> wrote: > > > > Verna, > > As far as I remember of my copy of Raman's translation, which is > not > > with me at the moment, there is also the Sanskrit original > alongside. > > > > As for Sanskrit, none here is an ignoramus, right? Lemme clear the > > air. We all know enough to guess our way through. My present copy > > has Hindi transaltion. The chapter header is Bhagya Yoga: The > > translation of the verse would be: > > > > The person (Jaataka) will have the 'yoga of luck' with regard to > the > > Bhaava whose kaaraka is in the 12th from lagna. > > > > RK > > > > , " vernalagnia " > > <vernalagnia@> wrote: > > > > > > , " arkaydash " > > > <arkaydash@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I knew we might run into concordance prob, given that the copy > > now > > > > with me is from Ranjan Publications. > > > > > > > > > I only have an English translation by BV Raman. > > > > > > > > > > Well, the (first) verse (under Bhagya Yoga)goes: > > > > > > > > Yad-bhavakaarako lagnad-byaye thisthhathi chedyadi > > > > Thasya bhabasya sarvasya bhagyayoga udeerithah. > > > > > > > > The 7th from this verse is: > > > > > > > > Pitrukaaraka bhaanoscha bhaagyabhaabeswaropi baa > > > > Ubhau tau byayago-syaathaam pitrubhaagyamudeeritham. > > > > > > > > > Not much use at all because I'm Sanskrit-illiterate > > > > > > > > > > Now, Vernalagnia (why this iffy nettonym?) > > > > > > Titled after an affliction I can't rid myself of > > > > > > > > > > the operative word is 12th from lagna. It is bhaavakaaraka as > > > > different from bhaava lord. > > > > > > > Look at the other verse. It says kaaraka Bhanu and > > > > bhaagyabhaaveswara (9th lord) together in the 12th give rise to > > > > pitrubhagya. > > > > > > > > So much for 12th as Ripha! Take heed and argufy as fervidly as > > you > > > > can. > > > > > > > > > Argument can only be when one knows something I just seek all > > the > > > time (: > > > > > > Thanks a lot. > > > > > > +++ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2006 Report Share Posted June 9, 2006 Dear RK ji, I wanted to say that the astrological statement like the one I put forward sounds sanskrit to the common man. There was no mal-intention in my statements. I think I am streaching it too long. I just stay back from this thread. By the way, Moon Sign is valid for this chart, because the lord of Mo sign is there itself. The Lagna is not valid for this chart because, It is not aspected by Me, Ju, or the sign lord. Plus, the lagna lord is weak. These are standered norms to check the streangth of a sign, as per Varahahora. Love, Sreenadh , " arkaydash " <arkaydash wrote: > > Dear Shree Shreenadh, > > I'm seized of the 12th-ness. I can't say whether Moon lagna is > stronger. Sthhula rasi position would have us believe, well, Moon in > Cancer gives us Moon lagna validity. In that case every chart with > Moon in Cancer can do without the houses to be erected. Funny. > (Or just because the bunch of planets are in 10th form Moon?) > > But which kind of Sanskrit is your interest? And where did I stray > in my translation? I'd like to benefit from your uppity Sanskrit > with regard to the verse. Pls come out. > > I repeat, I am seized of the 12th from lagna, which is written off > as a dusthhaana. > > In the chart the 7th lord is in lagna, that being Mars in Ven's sign. > 12th is a loaded hse as an adjunct to 7th. And that 12th is > overloaded with planets. What is the Kheta-kautuka in Aries, whose > lord (also 7th lord) goes to Lagna? > > RK > > , " Sreenadh " > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > Dear RK ji, > > Please don't guess it wrong! I was mentioning this kind of > sanskrit - > > " 8th lord from Mo is debilitated and combusted. It is also the 7th > > lord. The Dasa of Ke, placed in 7th already running. Mo eclipsed > due > > to the presence of Ra. Lagna is weak. The Navamsa of Ke falls in > 8th. > > The 12th lord from Mo is with the 8th lord " > > And not the original Sanskrit. lol. > > Hope you could won't mis-understand my statement. > > Love, > > Sreenadh > > > > , " arkaydash " > > <arkaydash@> wrote: > > > > > > Verna, > > > As far as I remember of my copy of Raman's translation, which is > > not > > > with me at the moment, there is also the Sanskrit original > > alongside. > > > > > > As for Sanskrit, none here is an ignoramus, right? Lemme clear > the > > > air. We all know enough to guess our way through. My present > copy > > > has Hindi transaltion. The chapter header is Bhagya Yoga: The > > > translation of the verse would be: > > > > > > The person (Jaataka) will have the 'yoga of luck' with regard to > > the > > > Bhaava whose kaaraka is in the 12th from lagna. > > > > > > RK > > > > > > , " vernalagnia " > > > <vernalagnia@> wrote: > > > > > > > > , " arkaydash " > > > > <arkaydash@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I knew we might run into concordance prob, given that the > copy > > > now > > > > > with me is from Ranjan Publications. > > > > > > > > > > > > I only have an English translation by BV Raman. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, the (first) verse (under Bhagya Yoga)goes: > > > > > > > > > > Yad-bhavakaarako lagnad-byaye thisthhathi chedyadi > > > > > Thasya bhabasya sarvasya bhagyayoga udeerithah. > > > > > > > > > > The 7th from this verse is: > > > > > > > > > > Pitrukaaraka bhaanoscha bhaagyabhaabeswaropi baa > > > > > Ubhau tau byayago-syaathaam pitrubhaagyamudeeritham. > > > > > > > > > > > > Not much use at all because I'm Sanskrit-illiterate > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, Vernalagnia (why this iffy nettonym?) > > > > > > > > Titled after an affliction I can't rid myself of > > > > > > > > > > > > > the operative word is 12th from lagna. It is bhaavakaaraka as > > > > > different from bhaava lord. > > > > > > > > > Look at the other verse. It says kaaraka Bhanu and > > > > > bhaagyabhaaveswara (9th lord) together in the 12th give rise > to > > > > > pitrubhagya. > > > > > > > > > > So much for 12th as Ripha! Take heed and argufy as fervidly > as > > > you > > > > > can. > > > > > > > > > > > > Argument can only be when one knows something I just seek > all > > > the > > > > time (: > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot. > > > > > > > > +++ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2006 Report Share Posted June 9, 2006 No, Shree Shreenadh, I am not clear. You had written: " Please don't guess it wrong! I was mentioning this kind of sanskrit - " 8th lord from Mo is debilitated and combusted. It is also the 7th lord. The Dasa of Ke, placed in 7th already running. Mo eclipsed... " Guess what wrong? The Bhaavaartharatnaakara verse or " the astrological statement like the one I put forward " . I cannot correlate your statement put forward and my statement 'put backward' You have skirted the points I have made in my previous post, ie planets in 12th. We have moved on to strength of sign, Varaha Hora, and farther. Well... RK , " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote: > > Dear RK ji, > I wanted to say that the astrological statement like the one I put > forward sounds sanskrit to the common man. There was no mal- intention > in my statements. > I think I am streaching it too long. I just stay back from this > thread. > By the way, Moon Sign is valid for this chart, because the lord of > Mo sign is there itself. The Lagna is not valid for this chart > because, It is not aspected by Me, Ju, or the sign lord. Plus, the > lagna lord is weak. These are standered norms to check the streangth > of a sign, as per Varahahora. > Love, > Sreenadh > > , " arkaydash " > <arkaydash@> wrote: > > > > Dear Shree Shreenadh, > > > > I'm seized of the 12th-ness. I can't say whether Moon lagna is > > stronger. Sthhula rasi position would have us believe, well, Moon > in > > Cancer gives us Moon lagna validity. In that case every chart with > > Moon in Cancer can do without the houses to be erected. Funny. > > (Or just because the bunch of planets are in 10th form Moon?) > > > > But which kind of Sanskrit is your interest? And where did I stray > > in my translation? I'd like to benefit from your uppity Sanskrit > > with regard to the verse. Pls come out. > > > > I repeat, I am seized of the 12th from lagna, which is written off > > as a dusthhaana. > > > > In the chart the 7th lord is in lagna, that being Mars in Ven's > sign. > > 12th is a loaded hse as an adjunct to 7th. And that 12th is > > overloaded with planets. What is the Kheta-kautuka in Aries, whose > > lord (also 7th lord) goes to Lagna? > > > > RK > > > > , " Sreenadh " > > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear RK ji, > > > Please don't guess it wrong! I was mentioning this kind of > > sanskrit - > > > " 8th lord from Mo is debilitated and combusted. It is also the > 7th > > > lord. The Dasa of Ke, placed in 7th already running. Mo eclipsed > > due > > > to the presence of Ra. Lagna is weak. The Navamsa of Ke falls in > > 8th. > > > The 12th lord from Mo is with the 8th lord " > > > And not the original Sanskrit. lol. > > > Hope you could won't mis-understand my statement. > > > Love, > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > , " arkaydash " > > > <arkaydash@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Verna, > > > > As far as I remember of my copy of Raman's translation, which > is > > > not > > > > with me at the moment, there is also the Sanskrit original > > > alongside. > > > > > > > > As for Sanskrit, none here is an ignoramus, right? Lemme clear > > the > > > > air. We all know enough to guess our way through. My present > > copy > > > > has Hindi transaltion. The chapter header is Bhagya Yoga: The > > > > translation of the verse would be: > > > > > > > > The person (Jaataka) will have the 'yoga of luck' with regard > to > > > the > > > > Bhaava whose kaaraka is in the 12th from lagna. > > > > > > > > RK > > > > > > > > --- In , " vernalagnia " > > > > <vernalagnia@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In , " arkaydash " > > > > > <arkaydash@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I knew we might run into concordance prob, given that the > > copy > > > > now > > > > > > with me is from Ranjan Publications. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I only have an English translation by BV Raman. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, the (first) verse (under Bhagya Yoga)goes: > > > > > > > > > > > > Yad-bhavakaarako lagnad-byaye thisthhathi chedyadi > > > > > > Thasya bhabasya sarvasya bhagyayoga udeerithah. > > > > > > > > > > > > The 7th from this verse is: > > > > > > > > > > > > Pitrukaaraka bhaanoscha bhaagyabhaabeswaropi baa > > > > > > Ubhau tau byayago-syaathaam pitrubhaagyamudeeritham. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not much use at all because I'm Sanskrit-illiterate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, Vernalagnia (why this iffy nettonym?) > > > > > > > > > > Titled after an affliction I can't rid myself of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the operative word is 12th from lagna. It is bhaavakaaraka > as > > > > > > different from bhaava lord. > > > > > > > > > > > Look at the other verse. It says kaaraka Bhanu and > > > > > > bhaagyabhaaveswara (9th lord) together in the 12th give > rise > > to > > > > > > pitrubhagya. > > > > > > > > > > > > So much for 12th as Ripha! Take heed and argufy as fervidly > > as > > > > you > > > > > > can. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Argument can only be when one knows something I just seek > > all > > > > the > > > > > time (: > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot. > > > > > > > > > > +++ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2006 Report Share Posted June 10, 2006 Dear RK ji, I mean "The astrological statements like the one I put forward is Sanskrit (Complex, difficult to understand, Moulded in mystory) for the common man"! Alas! To what a pit I am in to - explaining..explaining...but I am not making myself clear?! There should be something really wrong with my English!! Love, Sreenadh arkaydash <arkaydash wrote: No, Shree Shreenadh, I am not clear.You had written: "Please don't guess it wrong! I was mentioning this kind ofsanskrit - "8th lord from Mo is debilitated and combusted. It is also the 7th lord. The Dasa of Ke, placed in 7th already running. Mo eclipsed..."Guess what wrong? The Bhaavaartharatnaakara verse or "the astrological statement like the one I put forward". I cannot correlate your statement put forward and my statement 'put backward' :)You have skirted the points I have made in my previous post, ie planets in 12th. :)We have moved on to strength of sign, Varaha Hora, and farther. Well...RK , "Sreenadh" wrote:>> Dear RK ji,> I wanted to say that the astrological statement like the one I put > forward sounds sanskrit to the common man. There was no mal-intention > in my statements. > I think I am streaching it too long. I just stay back from this > thread. > By the way, Moon Sign is valid for this chart, because the lord of > Mo sign is there itself. The Lagna is not valid for this chart > because, It is not aspected by Me, Ju, or the sign lord. Plus, the > lagna lord is weak. These are standered norms to check the streangth > of a sign, as per Varahahora.> Love,> Sreenadh> > , "arkaydash" > wrote:> >> > Dear Shree Shreenadh,> > > > I'm seized of the 12th-ness. I can't say whether Moon lagna is > > stronger. Sthhula rasi position would have us believe, well, Moon > in > > Cancer gives us Moon lagna validity. In that case every chart with > > Moon in Cancer can do without the houses to be erected. Funny. > > (Or just because the bunch of planets are in 10th form Moon?) > > > > But which kind of Sanskrit is your interest? And where did I stray > > in my translation? I'd like to benefit from your uppity Sanskrit > > with regard to the verse. Pls come out. > > > > I repeat, I am seized of the 12th from lagna, which is written off > > as a dusthhaana.> > > > In the chart the 7th lord is in lagna, that being Mars in Ven's > sign.> > 12th is a loaded hse as an adjunct to 7th. And that 12th is > > overloaded with planets. What is the Kheta-kautuka in Aries, whose > > lord (also 7th lord) goes to Lagna?> > > > RK> > > > , "Sreenadh" > > wrote:> > >> > > Dear RK ji,> > > Please don't guess it wrong! I was mentioning this kind of > > sanskrit -> > > "8th lord from Mo is debilitated and combusted. It is also the > 7th> > > lord. The Dasa of Ke, placed in 7th already running. Mo eclipsed > > due> > > to the presence of Ra. Lagna is weak. The Navamsa of Ke falls in > > 8th.> > > The 12th lord from Mo is with the 8th lord" > > > And not the original Sanskrit. lol.> > > Hope you could won't mis-understand my statement. > > > Love,> > > Sreenadh> > > > > > , "arkaydash" > > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Verna, > > > > As far as I remember of my copy of Raman's translation, which > is > > > not > > > > with me at the moment, there is also the Sanskrit original > > > alongside.> > > > > > > > As for Sanskrit, none here is an ignoramus, right? Lemme clear > > the > > > > air. We all know enough to guess our way through. My present > > copy > > > > has Hindi transaltion. The chapter header is Bhagya Yoga: The > > > > translation of the verse would be:> > > > > > > > The person (Jaataka) will have the 'yoga of luck' with regard > to > > > the > > > > Bhaava whose kaaraka is in the 12th from lagna. > > > > > > > > RK> > > > > > > > , "vernalagnia" > > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > , "arkaydash"> > > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > I knew we might run into concordance prob, given that the > > copy > > > > now > > > > > > with me is from Ranjan Publications.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I only have an English translation by BV Raman.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, the (first) verse (under Bhagya Yoga)goes: > > > > > > > > > > > > Yad-bhavakaarako lagnad-byaye thisthhathi chedyadi> > > > > > Thasya bhabasya sarvasya bhagyayoga udeerithah.> > > > > > > > > > > > The 7th from this verse is:> > > > > > > > > > > > Pitrukaaraka bhaanoscha bhaagyabhaabeswaropi baa> > > > > > Ubhau tau byayago-syaathaam pitrubhaagyamudeeritham.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not much use at all because I'm Sanskrit-illiterate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, Vernalagnia (why this iffy nettonym?)> > > > > > > > > > Titled after an affliction I can't rid myself of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the operative word is 12th from lagna. It is bhaavakaaraka > as> > > > > > different from bhaava lord.> > > > > > > > > > > Look at the other verse. It says kaaraka Bhanu and > > > > > > bhaagyabhaaveswara (9th lord) together in the 12th give > rise > > to > > > > > > pitrubhagya.> > > > > > > > > > > > So much for 12th as Ripha! Take heed and argufy as fervidly > > as > > > > you > > > > > > can.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Argument can only be when one knows something I just seek > > all > > > > the> > > > > time (:> > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot.> > > > > > > > > > +++> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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