Functional above natural?

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Dear members,

I have come across a chart where the so-called subhayoga from the

combining planets also casts a shadow. Taurus being the rising sign,

the 2nd hse has Saturn, Sun and Ketu. Now to take Sun and Saturn,

the lordships give us 4th+9th, which is causative of a good yoga.

But how do Sun and Saturn meld? The question here is, with

such 'naisargika-s', how is the 2nd hse impacted? Adversely or not?

How do you see it? This is in an unmarried woman's chart.

 

RK

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RK, You should note that, for Taurus Ascendant, Saturn is also Badhak(Obstruction !) .A conjunction between Sun, the 4L of Education with 9L of Higher Education in 2H (Orally Transmitted Vidya) identical with the sign of Mercury, the causative planet of Education might mean two things ------ The subject is destined to have Higher Education ---------There will be minimum two breaks in her Educational career. It also means -----Subject will indulge in heated conversation (Reason--- Two fiery planets, viz, Sun & Kethu in 2H of speech) ------There will be occassional friction between Dad & Mom (Sun & Sat representing Mom & Dad are mutual enemies) -------The subject may have to go for litigation that last for several years(Reasoning---Sun afflicted by Saturn in 2H of wealth aspecting the 8H of court case) ----The native will also incur Dental complaints

(Saturn afflicted by Sun in 2H of Face) and may have to go for false dentures or implants (kethu , the planet of Disguise, joining Sun & Sat in 2H) -----There may be some person in her family with Medical History of Cardiac and or/ Paralytic complaints (Reasoning ---Sun rules vitality & Saturn saps vitality. These two planets combine in 2H of Family. The conjunction occurs in 3rd sign of the Natural zodiac, that in my personal studies, is found to be giving problems with Body Movements. Hope this helps Madhu N Nairarkaydash <arkaydash wrote: Dear members,I have come across a chart where the so-called subhayoga from the combining planets also casts a shadow. Taurus being the rising sign, the 2nd hse has Saturn, Sun and Ketu.

Now to take Sun and Saturn, the lordships give us 4th+9th, which is causative of a good yoga. But how do Sun and Saturn meld? The question here is, with such 'naisargika-s', how is the 2nd hse impacted? Adversely or not? How do you see it? This is in an unmarried woman's chart. RK

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Dear Madhu ji,

Please hold your prediction! - the chart seems to be wrong!

RK ji said: " Taurus being the rising sign, the 2nd hse has Saturn,

Sun and Ketu " . That means,

Lagna = Taurus

Birth Month = June 15 to July 15 (Since Su is in Ge)

In Gemini = Sa, Su, and Ke is placed.

These are the only info he provides. If we consider Sign and house

as one, (hoping that he is not considering some type of house system,

since he never mentioned it), for which year this is possible. Sa

takes 30 years to complete a cycle. It is in Ta in 1973, 1974, or it

could be in 1944 or 1945.

So the birth took place in either: 1942, 1943,1973, 1974 in the

month of June of July. But we can not get Ke in Ge in any of these

years!!! The closest possibility is 1974 when Ke would be in Ta!

The Birth date and Time is not provided! What is the point of

predicting based on such data?!! Just hold back, get the exact and

data and then only proceed.

Dear RK ji, consider these points and please restate/rephrase the

question. Or am I wrong in understanding the data you provided?!

Love,

Sreenadh

 

 

, VYASAJI

<vyasatvm wrote:

>

> RK,

> You should note that, for Taurus Ascendant, Saturn is also Badhak

(Obstruction !) .A conjunction between Sun, the 4L of Education with

9L of Higher Education in 2H (Orally Transmitted Vidya) identical

with the sign of Mercury, the causative planet of Education might

mean two things

> ------ The subject is destined to have Higher Education

> ---------There will be minimum two breaks in her Educational

career.

> It also means

> -----Subject will indulge in heated conversation (Reason--- Two

fiery planets, viz, Sun & Kethu in 2H of speech)

> ------There will be occassional friction between Dad & Mom (Sun &

Sat representing Mom & Dad are mutual enemies)

> -------The subject may have to go for litigation that last for

several years(Reasoning---Sun afflicted by Saturn in 2H of wealth

aspecting the 8H of court case)

> ----The native will also incur Dental complaints (Saturn

afflicted by Sun in 2H of Face) and may have to go for false dentures

or implants (kethu , the planet of Disguise, joining Sun & Sat in 2H)

> -----There may be some person in her family with Medical History

of Cardiac and or/ Paralytic complaints (Reasoning ---Sun rules

vitality & Saturn saps vitality. These two

> planets combine in 2H of Family. The conjunction occurs in 3rd

sign of the Natural zodiac, that in my personal studies, is found to

be giving problems with

> Body Movements.

> Hope this helps

> Madhu N Nair

>

> arkaydash <arkaydash wrote:

> Dear members,

> I have come across a chart where the so-called subhayoga from the

> combining planets also casts a shadow. Taurus being the rising

sign,

> the 2nd hse has Saturn, Sun and Ketu. Now to take Sun and Saturn,

> the lordships give us 4th+9th, which is causative of a good yoga.

> But how do Sun and Saturn meld? The question here is, with

> such 'naisargika-s', how is the 2nd hse impacted? Adversely or not?

> How do you see it? This is in an unmarried woman's chart.

>

> RK

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Dear Sreenadh, Thankyou very much for citing the discrepancy in the horoscopic data. I didn't bother to see the calculations as I thought the sender was proficient in Astrology. Thanks Madhu N NairSreenadh <sreesog wrote: Dear Madhu ji,Please hold your prediction! - the chart seems to be wrong!RK ji said: "Taurus being the rising sign, the 2nd hse has Saturn, Sun and Ketu". That means, Lagna = Taurus Birth Month = June 15 to July 15 (Since Su is in Ge) In Gemini = Sa, Su, and Ke is placed.These are the only info he provides. If we consider Sign and house as one, (hoping that he is not considering some type of house system, since he never mentioned it), for which year this is possible. Sa takes 30 years to complete a cycle. It is in

Ta in 1973, 1974, or it could be in 1944 or 1945. So the birth took place in either: 1942, 1943,1973, 1974 in the month of June of July. But we can not get Ke in Ge in any of these years!!! The closest possibility is 1974 when Ke would be in Ta!The Birth date and Time is not provided! What is the point of predicting based on such data?!! Just hold back, get the exact and data and then only proceed.Dear RK ji, consider these points and please restate/rephrase the question. Or am I wrong in understanding the data you provided?!Love,Sreenadh , VYASAJI <vyasatvm wrote:>> RK,> You should note that, for Taurus Ascendant, Saturn is also Badhak(Obstruction !) .A conjunction between Sun, the 4L of Education with 9L of Higher Education in 2H (Orally Transmitted Vidya) identical with the sign of Mercury, the

causative planet of Education might mean two things> ------ The subject is destined to have Higher Education> ---------There will be minimum two breaks in her Educational career.> It also means> -----Subject will indulge in heated conversation (Reason--- Two fiery planets, viz, Sun & Kethu in 2H of speech)> ------There will be occassional friction between Dad & Mom (Sun & Sat representing Mom & Dad are mutual enemies)> -------The subject may have to go for litigation that last for several years(Reasoning---Sun afflicted by Saturn in 2H of wealth aspecting the 8H of court case)> ----The native will also incur Dental complaints (Saturn afflicted by Sun in 2H of Face) and may have to go for false dentures or implants (kethu , the planet of Disguise, joining Sun & Sat in 2H)>

-----There may be some person in her family with Medical History of Cardiac and or/ Paralytic complaints (Reasoning ---Sun rules vitality & Saturn saps vitality. These two> planets combine in 2H of Family. The conjunction occurs in 3rd sign of the Natural zodiac, that in my personal studies, is found to be giving problems with> Body Movements.> Hope this helps> Madhu N Nair> > arkaydash <arkaydash wrote:> Dear members,> I have come across a chart where the so-called subhayoga from the > combining planets also casts a shadow. Taurus being the rising sign, > the 2nd hse has Saturn, Sun and Ketu. Now to take Sun and Saturn, > the lordships give us 4th+9th, which is causative of a good yoga. > But how do Sun and Saturn meld? The question here is, with > such 'naisargika-s',

how is the 2nd hse impacted? Adversely or not? > How do you see it? This is in an unmarried woman's chart. > > RK> > > > > > >

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Dear Shreenadhji,

 

Sorry if I caused inconvenience by not furnishing the complete

chart. Before your and Shree Madhu's enthusiasm I feel sorry indeed.

No, nothing amiss with the little detail I posted.

 

The yr you have veered towards is correct. Ketu steers us here. 1973

or thereabouts.

The DoB is 10 July 1973 and ToB is 1.57 AM. Night birth. PoB: 21.28N

84.04E

 

Which gives us

 

Asc Taurus 5.21.54

Sun Gemi 23.58. 11

Moon Libra 22.23.31

Ma Pisces 18.32

Me Cancer 9.28

Ju Capri 16.15

Ven Can 18.02

Sat Gem 3.46

Rh Sag 14.11

 

On this horoscope, I and another senior astrologist (about whom I

have written to you) could not see eye to eye. He held it against

the 2nd-hse concentration of Naisargika malefics. I reasoned that

for Taurus lagna Sun is sukhesha (4th lord) and his combining with

Bhagyesha (9th lord) in the hse of kutumba and dhana (2nd) can't be

evil. He could not assail my line argument but he remained sceptical

about domestic felicity of a female with this combination.

 

I think here is a horoscope where only overall estimate can lead us

to resolving the dichotomy between functional and natural roles of

planets. Now of course we have the complete chart or data therefor.

 

Some of the apprehensions this combination can raise in astrological

minds are: Will such a female native enjoy domestic felicity? Will

she be a cementing factor or disruptive factor in the in-laws family

after she gets married. What is her mangayla quotient with Ju in 9th

aspecting lagna lord and 5th lord and forming Gajakesari Yoga? Is

her MQ low because of the nodal axis along 2nd-8th despite Ju

aspecting lagna, forming the GK yoga from Moon, and taking trinal

care of the horoscope (aspecting 5th, 5th lord, tenanting 9th, and

aspecting lagna).

 

If Ju 8th lordship sullies the planet thus robbing it of its natural

benefic power, then Saturn's 9th plus 10th lordship imbues it with

great beneficence, which in the company of lord of sukha sthhana

Sun, can only redound to happiness and luck. And since it is in the

2nd hse, it will redound to prosperity post-marriage.

 

Let's demolish these arguments.

 

For example, like this: Ketu, the fiery catalyst, will in the

company of fiery Sun and airy Sat will dry up the the accrual from

the yogas. Ans so on. Is that so?

 

Sincerely,

RK

 

, " Sreenadh "

<sreesog wrote:

>

> Dear Madhu ji,

> Please hold your prediction! - the chart seems to be wrong!

> RK ji said: " Taurus being the rising sign, the 2nd hse has

Saturn,

> Sun and Ketu " . That means,

> Lagna = Taurus

> Birth Month = June 15 to July 15 (Since Su is in Ge)

> In Gemini = Sa, Su, and Ke is placed.

> These are the only info he provides. If we consider Sign and

house

> as one, (hoping that he is not considering some type of house

system,

> since he never mentioned it), for which year this is possible. Sa

> takes 30 years to complete a cycle. It is in Ta in 1973, 1974, or

it

> could be in 1944 or 1945.

> So the birth took place in either: 1942, 1943,1973, 1974 in the

> month of June of July. But we can not get Ke in Ge in any of these

> years!!! The closest possibility is 1974 when Ke would be in Ta!

> The Birth date and Time is not provided! What is the point of

> predicting based on such data?!! Just hold back, get the exact and

> data and then only proceed.

> Dear RK ji, consider these points and please restate/rephrase the

> question. Or am I wrong in understanding the data you provided?!

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

>

> , VYASAJI

> <vyasatvm@> wrote:

> >

> > RK,

> > You should note that, for Taurus Ascendant, Saturn is also

Badhak

> (Obstruction !) .A conjunction between Sun, the 4L of Education

with

> 9L of Higher Education in 2H (Orally Transmitted Vidya) identical

> with the sign of Mercury, the causative planet of Education might

> mean two things

> > ------ The subject is destined to have Higher Education

> > ---------There will be minimum two breaks in her Educational

> career.

> > It also means

> > -----Subject will indulge in heated conversation (Reason---

Two

> fiery planets, viz, Sun & Kethu in 2H of speech)

> > ------There will be occassional friction between Dad & Mom

(Sun &

> Sat representing Mom & Dad are mutual enemies)

> > -------The subject may have to go for litigation that last for

> several years(Reasoning---Sun afflicted by Saturn in 2H of wealth

> aspecting the 8H of court case)

> > ----The native will also incur Dental complaints (Saturn

> afflicted by Sun in 2H of Face) and may have to go for false

dentures

> or implants (kethu , the planet of Disguise, joining Sun & Sat in

2H)

> > -----There may be some person in her family with Medical

History

> of Cardiac and or/ Paralytic complaints (Reasoning ---Sun rules

> vitality & Saturn saps vitality. These two

> > planets combine in 2H of Family. The conjunction occurs in 3rd

> sign of the Natural zodiac, that in my personal studies, is found

to

> be giving problems with

> > Body Movements.

> > Hope this helps

> > Madhu N Nair

> >

> > arkaydash <arkaydash@> wrote:

> > Dear members,

> > I have come across a chart where the so-called subhayoga from

the

> > combining planets also casts a shadow. Taurus being the rising

> sign,

> > the 2nd hse has Saturn, Sun and Ketu. Now to take Sun and

Saturn,

> > the lordships give us 4th+9th, which is causative of a good

yoga.

> > But how do Sun and Saturn meld? The question here is, with

> > such 'naisargika-s', how is the 2nd hse impacted? Adversely or

not?

> > How do you see it? This is in an unmarried woman's chart.

> >

> > RK

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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RK, She had crossed 30 years and hence the forst and foremost thing we should probe is , the reason for the delayed marriage and whether marriage is promised at all ,in her chart. -----We find Mars, the 7L of spouses receiving the 10th house aspect of Saturn , without any redeeming features from Natural Benefics.Ofcourse this sole point is not enough to explain the abnormal delay. -----Mars, the 7L of spouse in the sign of a retrograde slow--moving natural benefic ------In D-9, with Aquarius Ascendant (Remember it is a fixed sign) Sun, the 7L of spouse is joining Retrograde slow-moving natural benefic Jupiter in a Fixed sign. Notes--- For a fixed sign, retrograde Jupiter inflencing the 7H or 7L , is usually found to delay marriage considerably Whether there is Marriage As I have already pointed out Marriage is

extremely difficult to take place for this native. Anyway, two points , though very feeble ,can be cited in favour of a marriage but with hardships and bottle-necks.. ------Mars, the 7L in 11H of fulfilment of desire, identical with a Benefic sign -----Mars, the 7L of Rasi in a Benefic sign in D-9 But do remember, neither the 7H or 7L receives any benefic influence. Why Marriage didn't take place in Saturn's Dasha ? If you believe in stellar lordship of planets, you could see that Saturn is in the lunar asterism of 7L Mars tenanting 11H. Despite this highly favourably point, subject didn't get married in Saturn's major period. The question is Why ? Pls note that Saturn begets a navamsa in Libra, that is 6th from Taurus Ascendant in Rasi.The 6H is always detriment for everything represented by 7H (7H

specifically stands for spouse) being the 12th from it, if you count clock-wise, as per Bhavath Bhavam principle Will the current Dasha of Mercury confer marriage ? Mercury , the 2L of family & the 5L of progeny occupies its inimical sign Cancer in retrograde mode(A snag) .In D-9, it is in 8th (Wed-lock) .It is in opposition to Jupiter, the 8L of Marital Bond So Mercury could give her a marriage but a tasteless married life.Tr Jupiter arriving at the sign scorpio will augment and bless her with marriage, provided adequate efforts are taken to find a suitable groom from now onwards.It might be a case of 2nd marriage/widower or a inter-caste marriage Madhu N Nair arkaydash <arkaydash wrote: Dear Shreenadhji,Sorry if I caused inconvenience by not furnishing the complete chart. Before your and Shree Madhu's enthusiasm I feel sorry indeed. No, nothing amiss with the little detail I posted. The yr you have veered towards is correct. Ketu steers us here. 1973 or thereabouts. The DoB is 10 July 1973 and ToB is 1.57 AM. Night birth. PoB: 21.28N 84.04EWhich gives us Asc Taurus 5.21.54Sun Gemi 23.58. 11Moon Libra 22.23.31Ma Pisces 18.32 Me Cancer 9.28 Ju Capri 16.15Ven Can 18.02Sat Gem 3.46Rh Sag 14.11On this horoscope, I and another senior astrologist (about whom I have written to you) could not see eye to eye. He

held it against the 2nd-hse concentration of Naisargika malefics. I reasoned that for Taurus lagna Sun is sukhesha (4th lord) and his combining with Bhagyesha (9th lord) in the hse of kutumba and dhana (2nd) can't be evil. He could not assail my line argument but he remained sceptical about domestic felicity of a female with this combination. I think here is a horoscope where only overall estimate can lead us to resolving the dichotomy between functional and natural roles of planets. Now of course we have the complete chart or data therefor.Some of the apprehensions this combination can raise in astrological minds are: Will such a female native enjoy domestic felicity? Will she be a cementing factor or disruptive factor in the in-laws family after she gets married. What is her mangayla quotient with Ju in 9th aspecting lagna lord and 5th lord and forming Gajakesari Yoga? Is her MQ low because of the nodal axis

along 2nd-8th despite Ju aspecting lagna, forming the GK yoga from Moon, and taking trinal care of the horoscope (aspecting 5th, 5th lord, tenanting 9th, and aspecting lagna). If Ju 8th lordship sullies the planet thus robbing it of its natural benefic power, then Saturn's 9th plus 10th lordship imbues it with great beneficence, which in the company of lord of sukha sthhana Sun, can only redound to happiness and luck. And since it is in the 2nd hse, it will redound to prosperity post-marriage.Let's demolish these arguments.For example, like this: Ketu, the fiery catalyst, will in the company of fiery Sun and airy Sat will dry up the the accrual from the yogas. Ans so on. Is that so? Sincerely,RK , "Sreenadh" <sreesog wrote:>> Dear Madhu ji,> Please hold your prediction! - the

chart seems to be wrong!> RK ji said: "Taurus being the rising sign, the 2nd hse has Saturn, > Sun and Ketu". That means,> Lagna = Taurus> Birth Month = June 15 to July 15 (Since Su is in Ge)> In Gemini = Sa, Su, and Ke is placed.> These are the only info he provides. If we consider Sign and house > as one, (hoping that he is not considering some type of house system, > since he never mentioned it), for which year this is possible. Sa > takes 30 years to complete a cycle. It is in Ta in 1973, 1974, or it > could be in 1944 or 1945. > So the birth took place in either: 1942, 1943,1973, 1974 in the > month of June of July. But we can not get Ke in Ge in any of these > years!!! The closest possibility is 1974 when Ke would be in Ta!> The Birth date and Time is not provided! What is the point of >

predicting based on such data?!! Just hold back, get the exact and > data and then only proceed.> Dear RK ji, consider these points and please restate/rephrase the > question. Or am I wrong in understanding the data you provided?!> Love,> Sreenadh> > > , VYASAJI > <vyasatvm@> wrote:> >> > RK,> > You should note that, for Taurus Ascendant, Saturn is also Badhak> (Obstruction !) .A conjunction between Sun, the 4L of Education with > 9L of Higher Education in 2H (Orally Transmitted Vidya) identical > with the sign of Mercury, the causative planet of Education might > mean two things> > ------ The subject is destined to have Higher Education> > ---------There will be minimum two breaks in her Educational >

career.> > It also means> > -----Subject will indulge in heated conversation (Reason--- Two > fiery planets, viz, Sun & Kethu in 2H of speech)> > ------There will be occassional friction between Dad & Mom (Sun & > Sat representing Mom & Dad are mutual enemies)> > -------The subject may have to go for litigation that last for > several years(Reasoning---Sun afflicted by Saturn in 2H of wealth > aspecting the 8H of court case)> > ----The native will also incur Dental complaints (Saturn > afflicted by Sun in 2H of Face) and may have to go for false dentures > or implants (kethu , the planet of Disguise, joining Sun & Sat in 2H)> > -----There may be some person in her family with Medical History > of Cardiac and or/ Paralytic complaints (Reasoning ---Sun

rules > vitality & Saturn saps vitality. These two> > planets combine in 2H of Family. The conjunction occurs in 3rd > sign of the Natural zodiac, that in my personal studies, is found to > be giving problems with> > Body Movements.> > Hope this helps> > Madhu N Nair> > > > arkaydash <arkaydash@> wrote:> > Dear members,> > I have come across a chart where the so-called subhayoga from the > > combining planets also casts a shadow. Taurus being the rising > sign, > > the 2nd hse has Saturn, Sun and Ketu. Now to take Sun and Saturn, > > the lordships give us 4th+9th, which is causative of a good yoga. > > But how do Sun and Saturn meld? The question here is, with > > such 'naisargika-s', how is the 2nd hse impacted?

Adversely or not? > > How do you see it? This is in an unmarried woman's chart. > > > > RK> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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Dear RK ji,

First of all sorry for my wrong guess on horoscope accuracy. Since

the latitude and longitude was not given, that caused the confusion.

My appologies.

Now I go back to the first info and question you provided and try

to answer.

 

It is said that Sa is the son of Su - and that in a horoscope, if

both of them are strong none can hold that person back, since he/she

will have a strong will and detached mentality. This is a good

combination as far as spiritual life is concerned, but for sure has

its demerits as far as worldly life is concerned. For sure Su is 4th

lord and Sa 9th lord indicating Rajayoga, but is that enough?

Especially when Su-Sa combination is supposed to give bad results,

and when the query is related to the success in worldly life? Sa Dasa

is supposed to give at least some good results in such combinations

but it is Me desa that is running currently if we consider Vimsottari

dasa from Mo. You could see that in the house of Me, (i.e. Ge) Su, Sa

and Ke the 3 malefics are placed. A good planet in 9th usually

indicates good married life, but you will see that the Ju placed in

9th here is the 8th lord and is debilitated. She is born in 1973 and

is already 33 yrs of age. Not getting married, and no children till

now. It is 8th lord Ju is in 9th, causing all these, and making

things worse! The significator of marriage is not well placed and is

in 3rd.

Even if we are not considering the badhak factor pointed to by Madhu

ji, the natural malefic Sa and Su placed in 2nd is supposed to give

bad results in many cases such as -

--- Not well enough education. But may have some technical

qualifications etc. Yes, education won't be that bad.

--- probably will have a job, and would live away from home. Will

have her own earnings, and will rise in life with her own efforts.

--- Yes, will talk too much, and will indulge in heated

conversations, and may even make others (especially relatives)

enemies due to this.

--- Won't have a good family life. The quarrels between father and

mother, unable to adjust with the family etc all may cause trouble.

She will like mother better than father, but for no benefit! Both of

them are not going to be of much help for her life success. Would

like to live away from home for the sake of mental peace and

happiness, but still won't get it.

--- Two malefic in 2nd house can give much money related trouble -

i.e. lack of enough money, for a successful life.

--- May have some face related, (Is it eye related rather than teeth

related?) trouble. And may have to wear spectacles.

--- When the 9th house is afflicted, and when there is no planet in

7th, and Sa-Su-Ke is afflicting 2nd house, how we are going to

predict an early or good married life for her? Even when she gets

married, her husband would be a person who wont be much interested in

sexual life.

--- Yes, she is good natured, and wants to be in the side of truth,

and makes good relation with society, helps others etc. All positive

factors.

--- Ta is Lagna and Ve in 3rd. Means she probably may not have

younger brothers but younger sisters. That means with more than one

daughters at home in all this would have been becoming a burden for

her parents as well!

--- She is good to be a friend, and takes responsibilities like a

man. Let us pray god to give her a good life.

Why Marriage didn't take place in Saturn's Dasha ?

Sa is a natural malefic, is placed along with other malefics, making

it worse for the second house (own home – with husband and children).

As Madhu ji said the navamsa of the Dasa lord is in 6th house (in

Venus house) corrupting Ve as well, and the navamsa of Ve is in 8th

and the drishti of 8th lord corrupts Ve also in this regard. Also

note that depositor of Ve (i.e. Mo), in dustana (6th), making Ve

weaker. The 4th house drishti of Ma falls on Sa, indicating Agni-

maruta yoga, destroying almost all good features related to 2nd

house. No wonder no marriage took place till 2005 in the dasa of Sa.

What are the Positive factors?

------ 7th lord is placed in 11th indicating Vivaha-Labha

------ Lagna is aspected by Ju, a natural benefic, and he is also the

lord of Mangalya stana (the house indicating married life), i.e. 8th.

----- Ve is placed with a benefic, Me, and is aspected by the natural

benefic Ju.

---- Lagna is strong, since Ju aspects it and since its lord is in a

upachaya sign. Therefore Vimsottari dasa starting from Lagna is

important. As per this Ra Desa -Ve Antara is currently running!! This

is a positive factor since Ra is placed in 8th (Magalya stana) and Ve

is Magnalya karaka, and the depositor of Ra aspecting Ve indicating a

fruitful strong exchange of significance between them.

---- Considering Transit by the end of 2006 and the beginning of

2007, Ju would be in Sc (7th from Lagna and 2nd from Mo), Sa would

be in Le (4th from Lagna and 11th from Mo) , and Ve would be

traversing signs through Ta to Cn. This indicates a positive period.

Thus even though I agree with the statement of Madhu ji

that " Marriage is extremely difficult to take place for this native " ,

I see the above period (Nov 2007 – May 2007) as probable period for

positive results. Yes, if strong will (efforts) are done from the

part of the native, her relatives, molding the situations and

environment in favor.

Yes, this in line with the statement of Madhu ji,

" So Mercury could give her a marriage but a tasteless married life.Tr

Jupiter arriving at the sign scorpio will augment and bless her with

marriage, provided adequate efforts are taken to find a suitable

groom from now onwards. "

I appreciate and agree with that analysis and the prediction done.

 

Hope this helps,

 

Love,

Sreenadh

 

, " arkaydash "

<arkaydash wrote:

>

> Dear Shreenadhji,

>

> Sorry if I caused inconvenience by not furnishing the complete

> chart. Before your and Shree Madhu's enthusiasm I feel sorry

indeed.

> No, nothing amiss with the little detail I posted.

>

> The yr you have veered towards is correct. Ketu steers us here.

1973

> or thereabouts.

> The DoB is 10 July 1973 and ToB is 1.57 AM. Night birth. PoB:

21.28N

> 84.04E

>

> Which gives us

>

> Asc Taurus 5.21.54

> Sun Gemi 23.58. 11

> Moon Libra 22.23.31

> Ma Pisces 18.32

> Me Cancer 9.28

> Ju Capri 16.15

> Ven Can 18.02

> Sat Gem 3.46

> Rh Sag 14.11

>

> On this horoscope, I and another senior astrologist (about whom I

> have written to you) could not see eye to eye. He held it against

> the 2nd-hse concentration of Naisargika malefics. I reasoned that

> for Taurus lagna Sun is sukhesha (4th lord) and his combining with

> Bhagyesha (9th lord) in the hse of kutumba and dhana (2nd) can't be

> evil. He could not assail my line argument but he remained

sceptical

> about domestic felicity of a female with this combination.

>

> I think here is a horoscope where only overall estimate can lead us

> to resolving the dichotomy between functional and natural roles of

> planets. Now of course we have the complete chart or data therefor.

>

> Some of the apprehensions this combination can raise in

astrological

> minds are: Will such a female native enjoy domestic felicity? Will

> she be a cementing factor or disruptive factor in the in-laws

family

> after she gets married. What is her mangayla quotient with Ju in

9th

> aspecting lagna lord and 5th lord and forming Gajakesari Yoga? Is

> her MQ low because of the nodal axis along 2nd-8th despite Ju

> aspecting lagna, forming the GK yoga from Moon, and taking trinal

> care of the horoscope (aspecting 5th, 5th lord, tenanting 9th, and

> aspecting lagna).

>

> If Ju 8th lordship sullies the planet thus robbing it of its

natural

> benefic power, then Saturn's 9th plus 10th lordship imbues it with

> great beneficence, which in the company of lord of sukha sthhana

> Sun, can only redound to happiness and luck. And since it is in the

> 2nd hse, it will redound to prosperity post-marriage.

>

> Let's demolish these arguments.

>

> For example, like this: Ketu, the fiery catalyst, will in the

> company of fiery Sun and airy Sat will dry up the the accrual from

> the yogas. Ans so on. Is that so?

>

> Sincerely,

> RK

>

> , " Sreenadh "

> <sreesog@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Madhu ji,

> > Please hold your prediction! - the chart seems to be wrong!

> > RK ji said: " Taurus being the rising sign, the 2nd hse has

> Saturn,

> > Sun and Ketu " . That means,

> > Lagna = Taurus

> > Birth Month = June 15 to July 15 (Since Su is in Ge)

> > In Gemini = Sa, Su, and Ke is placed.

> > These are the only info he provides. If we consider Sign and

> house

> > as one, (hoping that he is not considering some type of house

> system,

> > since he never mentioned it), for which year this is possible. Sa

> > takes 30 years to complete a cycle. It is in Ta in 1973, 1974, or

> it

> > could be in 1944 or 1945.

> > So the birth took place in either: 1942, 1943,1973, 1974 in the

> > month of June of July. But we can not get Ke in Ge in any of

these

> > years!!! The closest possibility is 1974 when Ke would be in Ta!

> > The Birth date and Time is not provided! What is the point of

> > predicting based on such data?!! Just hold back, get the exact

and

> > data and then only proceed.

> > Dear RK ji, consider these points and please restate/rephrase

the

> > question. Or am I wrong in understanding the data you provided?!

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> >

> > , VYASAJI

> > <vyasatvm@> wrote:

> > >

> > > RK,

> > > You should note that, for Taurus Ascendant, Saturn is also

> Badhak

> > (Obstruction !) .A conjunction between Sun, the 4L of Education

> with

> > 9L of Higher Education in 2H (Orally Transmitted Vidya) identical

> > with the sign of Mercury, the causative planet of Education might

> > mean two things

> > > ------ The subject is destined to have Higher Education

> > > ---------There will be minimum two breaks in her Educational

> > career.

> > > It also means

> > > -----Subject will indulge in heated conversation (Reason---

> Two

> > fiery planets, viz, Sun & Kethu in 2H of speech)

> > > ------There will be occassional friction between Dad & Mom

> (Sun &

> > Sat representing Mom & Dad are mutual enemies)

> > > -------The subject may have to go for litigation that last

for

> > several years(Reasoning---Sun afflicted by Saturn in 2H of wealth

> > aspecting the 8H of court case)

> > > ----The native will also incur Dental complaints (Saturn

> > afflicted by Sun in 2H of Face) and may have to go for false

> dentures

> > or implants (kethu , the planet of Disguise, joining Sun & Sat in

> 2H)

> > > -----There may be some person in her family with Medical

> History

> > of Cardiac and or/ Paralytic complaints (Reasoning ---Sun rules

> > vitality & Saturn saps vitality. These two

> > > planets combine in 2H of Family. The conjunction occurs in

3rd

> > sign of the Natural zodiac, that in my personal studies, is found

> to

> > be giving problems with

> > > Body Movements.

> > > Hope this helps

> > > Madhu N Nair

> > >

> > > arkaydash <arkaydash@> wrote:

> > > Dear members,

> > > I have come across a chart where the so-called subhayoga from

> the

> > > combining planets also casts a shadow. Taurus being the rising

> > sign,

> > > the 2nd hse has Saturn, Sun and Ketu. Now to take Sun and

> Saturn,

> > > the lordships give us 4th+9th, which is causative of a good

> yoga.

> > > But how do Sun and Saturn meld? The question here is, with

> > > such 'naisargika-s', how is the 2nd hse impacted? Adversely or

> not?

> > > How do you see it? This is in an unmarried woman's chart.

> > >

> > > RK

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Shreenadhji

It is OK. I also want Mr M Nair to read this, he who wrote:

 

" Dear Sreenadh,

Thankyou very much for citing the discrepancy in the horoscopic

data. I didn't bother to see the calculations as I thought the

sender was proficient in Astrology. "

 

I also want you and Mr Nair to read again my yesterday's posting and

see how I have delineated the issue of 'functional versus natural

malefic/benefic'.

 

While it is interesting to see your word on whether and why-not-so-

far of marriage of the jatikaa, my effort was to resolve the evil,

if any, bearing on the kutmba sthaana. As also to get clear the nett

effect of Jup who's the Randhresha (8th lord) here and of Bhagyesh

getting Sukhesh's (sun's) company and Sukhesh getting Madanesh's

(7Lrd) dristi, while enjoying the tenancy of 2nd house.

 

None of you have considered whether Gajakesari yoga has any effect

on the evil (if indeed it is evil ) concentration in the 2nd hse.

 

Could we start afresh. The issue before us, as I would like to posit

it here, is how we reconcile contradictory/conflicting micro-

indications and develop a total picture.

 

The point before us, let me reiterate, is how are we to see

Sun+Saturn? As Naisargika Paapa with mutual hostility or as 9th+4th

lords?

 

Your appraisal of Ju is none too compact. You say:

 

" It is 8th lord Ju is in 9th, causing all these, and making

things worse! The significator of marriage is not well placed and is

in 3rd. "

 

Significator of mrg for women as far as I know is Ju, in that Ju

stands for a guide-like person, which a husband is supposed to be.

 

Jup as karaka of progeny aspects this Ven and 5th lord. Yes, Moon

the dispositor of Ve and Me is in 6th. That does not give us reason

enough to dub the horoscope as a marital no-hoper. I'm sorry, these

are post facto observations when our attention is drawn to possible

negative combinations with the sthaan-kaala-patra info provided

(such as that the girl is unmarried).

 

Now even if we go by much of the negative inidications piled so far

I'd lie to examine if there is a secret redemption plan Ju and the

dispositor of Ve and Me have between them. Yes, Moon with Ju forms

Gajakesari Yoga. It may not be a top-class GK Yoga. Ju is not strong

(apparently at least) and Moon is in 6th (well, not anupachaya at

least).

 

Saturn did not give her mariage. Maybe, she was busy building a

stronger foundation of life. " Wait awhile for 'preya' " -- that could

have been the message from Saturn. Do we know? I don't. Tell me,

without bias tilted towards negatives.

 

Give me your noble best,

RK

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " Sreenadh "

<sreesog wrote:

>

> Dear RK ji,

> First of all sorry for my wrong guess on horoscope accuracy.

Since

> the latitude and longitude was not given, that caused the

confusion.

> My appologies.

> Now I go back to the first info and question you provided and

try

> to answer.

>

> It is said that Sa is the son of Su - and that in a horoscope, if

> both of them are strong none can hold that person back, since

he/she

> will have a strong will and detached mentality. This is a good

> combination as far as spiritual life is concerned, but for sure

has

> its demerits as far as worldly life is concerned. For sure Su is

4th

> lord and Sa 9th lord indicating Rajayoga, but is that enough?

> Especially when Su-Sa combination is supposed to give bad results,

> and when the query is related to the success in worldly life? Sa

Dasa

> is supposed to give at least some good results in such

combinations

> but it is Me desa that is running currently if we consider

Vimsottari

> dasa from Mo. You could see that in the house of Me, (i.e. Ge) Su,

Sa

> and Ke the 3 malefics are placed. A good planet in 9th usually

> indicates good married life, but you will see that the Ju placed

in

> 9th here is the 8th lord and is debilitated. She is born in 1973

and

> is already 33 yrs of age. Not getting married, and no children

till

> now. It is 8th lord Ju is in 9th, causing all these, and making

> things worse! The significator of marriage is not well placed and

is

> in 3rd.

> Even if we are not considering the badhak factor pointed to by

Madhu

> ji, the natural malefic Sa and Su placed in 2nd is supposed to

give

> bad results in many cases such as -

> --- Not well enough education. But may have some technical

> qualifications etc. Yes, education won't be that bad.

> --- probably will have a job, and would live away from home. Will

> have her own earnings, and will rise in life with her own efforts.

> --- Yes, will talk too much, and will indulge in heated

> conversations, and may even make others (especially relatives)

> enemies due to this.

> --- Won't have a good family life. The quarrels between father

and

> mother, unable to adjust with the family etc all may cause

trouble.

> She will like mother better than father, but for no benefit! Both

of

> them are not going to be of much help for her life success. Would

> like to live away from home for the sake of mental peace and

> happiness, but still won't get it.

> --- Two malefic in 2nd house can give much money related trouble -

 

> i.e. lack of enough money, for a successful life.

> --- May have some face related, (Is it eye related rather than

teeth

> related?) trouble. And may have to wear spectacles.

> --- When the 9th house is afflicted, and when there is no planet

in

> 7th, and Sa-Su-Ke is afflicting 2nd house, how we are going to

> predict an early or good married life for her? Even when she gets

> married, her husband would be a person who wont be much interested

in

> sexual life.

> --- Yes, she is good natured, and wants to be in the side of

truth,

> and makes good relation with society, helps others etc. All

positive

> factors.

> --- Ta is Lagna and Ve in 3rd. Means she probably may not have

> younger brothers but younger sisters. That means with more than

one

> daughters at home in all this would have been becoming a burden

for

> her parents as well!

> --- She is good to be a friend, and takes responsibilities like a

> man. Let us pray god to give her a good life.

> Why Marriage didn't take place in Saturn's Dasha ?

> Sa is a natural malefic, is placed along with other malefics,

making

> it worse for the second house (own home – with husband and

children).

> As Madhu ji said the navamsa of the Dasa lord is in 6th house (in

> Venus house) corrupting Ve as well, and the navamsa of Ve is in

8th

> and the drishti of 8th lord corrupts Ve also in this regard. Also

> note that depositor of Ve (i.e. Mo), in dustana (6th), making Ve

> weaker. The 4th house drishti of Ma falls on Sa, indicating Agni-

> maruta yoga, destroying almost all good features related to 2nd

> house. No wonder no marriage took place till 2005 in the dasa of

Sa.

> What are the Positive factors?

> ------ 7th lord is placed in 11th indicating Vivaha-Labha

> ------ Lagna is aspected by Ju, a natural benefic, and he is also

the

> lord of Mangalya stana (the house indicating married life), i.e.

8th.

> ----- Ve is placed with a benefic, Me, and is aspected by the

natural

> benefic Ju.

> ---- Lagna is strong, since Ju aspects it and since its lord is

in a

> upachaya sign. Therefore Vimsottari dasa starting from Lagna is

> important. As per this Ra Desa -Ve Antara is currently running!!

This

> is a positive factor since Ra is placed in 8th (Magalya stana) and

Ve

> is Magnalya karaka, and the depositor of Ra aspecting Ve

indicating a

> fruitful strong exchange of significance between them.

> ---- Considering Transit by the end of 2006 and the beginning of

> 2007, Ju would be in Sc (7th from Lagna and 2nd from Mo), Sa

would

> be in Le (4th from Lagna and 11th from Mo) , and Ve would be

> traversing signs through Ta to Cn. This indicates a positive

period.

> Thus even though I agree with the statement of Madhu ji

> that " Marriage is extremely difficult to take place for this

native " ,

> I see the above period (Nov 2007 – May 2007) as probable period

for

> positive results. Yes, if strong will (efforts) are done from the

> part of the native, her relatives, molding the situations and

> environment in favor.

> Yes, this in line with the statement of Madhu ji,

> " So Mercury could give her a marriage but a tasteless married

life.Tr

> Jupiter arriving at the sign scorpio will augment and bless her

with

> marriage, provided adequate efforts are taken to find a suitable

> groom from now onwards. "

> I appreciate and agree with that analysis and the prediction

done.

>

> Hope this helps,

>

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> , " arkaydash "

> <arkaydash@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Shreenadhji,

> >

> > Sorry if I caused inconvenience by not furnishing the complete

> > chart. Before your and Shree Madhu's enthusiasm I feel sorry

> indeed.

> > No, nothing amiss with the little detail I posted.

> >

> > The yr you have veered towards is correct. Ketu steers us here.

> 1973

> > or thereabouts.

> > The DoB is 10 July 1973 and ToB is 1.57 AM. Night birth. PoB:

> 21.28N

> > 84.04E

> >

> > Which gives us

> >

> > Asc Taurus 5.21.54

> > Sun Gemi 23.58. 11

> > Moon Libra 22.23.31

> > Ma Pisces 18.32

> > Me Cancer 9.28

> > Ju Capri 16.15

> > Ven Can 18.02

> > Sat Gem 3.46

> > Rh Sag 14.11

> >

> > On this horoscope, I and another senior astrologist (about whom

I

> > have written to you) could not see eye to eye. He held it

against

> > the 2nd-hse concentration of Naisargika malefics. I reasoned

that

> > for Taurus lagna Sun is sukhesha (4th lord) and his combining

with

> > Bhagyesha (9th lord) in the hse of kutumba and dhana (2nd) can't

be

> > evil. He could not assail my line argument but he remained

> sceptical

> > about domestic felicity of a female with this combination.

> >

> > I think here is a horoscope where only overall estimate can lead

us

> > to resolving the dichotomy between functional and natural roles

of

> > planets. Now of course we have the complete chart or data

therefor.

> >

> > Some of the apprehensions this combination can raise in

> astrological

> > minds are: Will such a female native enjoy domestic felicity?

Will

> > she be a cementing factor or disruptive factor in the in-laws

> family

> > after she gets married. What is her mangayla quotient with Ju in

> 9th

> > aspecting lagna lord and 5th lord and forming Gajakesari Yoga?

Is

> > her MQ low because of the nodal axis along 2nd-8th despite Ju

> > aspecting lagna, forming the GK yoga from Moon, and taking

trinal

> > care of the horoscope (aspecting 5th, 5th lord, tenanting 9th,

and

> > aspecting lagna).

> >

> > If Ju 8th lordship sullies the planet thus robbing it of its

> natural

> > benefic power, then Saturn's 9th plus 10th lordship imbues it

with

> > great beneficence, which in the company of lord of sukha

sthhana

> > Sun, can only redound to happiness and luck. And since it is in

the

> > 2nd hse, it will redound to prosperity post-marriage.

> >

> > Let's demolish these arguments.

> >

> > For example, like this: Ketu, the fiery catalyst, will in the

> > company of fiery Sun and airy Sat will dry up the the accrual

from

> > the yogas. Ans so on. Is that so?

> >

> > Sincerely,

> > RK

> >

> > , " Sreenadh "

> > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Madhu ji,

> > > Please hold your prediction! - the chart seems to be wrong!

> > > RK ji said: " Taurus being the rising sign, the 2nd hse has

> > Saturn,

> > > Sun and Ketu " . That means,

> > > Lagna = Taurus

> > > Birth Month = June 15 to July 15 (Since Su is in Ge)

> > > In Gemini = Sa, Su, and Ke is placed.

> > > These are the only info he provides. If we consider Sign and

> > house

> > > as one, (hoping that he is not considering some type of house

> > system,

> > > since he never mentioned it), for which year this is possible.

Sa

> > > takes 30 years to complete a cycle. It is in Ta in 1973, 1974,

or

> > it

> > > could be in 1944 or 1945.

> > > So the birth took place in either: 1942, 1943,1973, 1974 in

the

> > > month of June of July. But we can not get Ke in Ge in any of

> these

> > > years!!! The closest possibility is 1974 when Ke would be in

Ta!

> > > The Birth date and Time is not provided! What is the point of

> > > predicting based on such data?!! Just hold back, get the exact

> and

> > > data and then only proceed.

> > > Dear RK ji, consider these points and please restate/rephrase

> the

> > > question. Or am I wrong in understanding the data you

provided?!

> > > Love,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > >

> > > , VYASAJI

> > > <vyasatvm@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > RK,

> > > > You should note that, for Taurus Ascendant, Saturn is also

> > Badhak

> > > (Obstruction !) .A conjunction between Sun, the 4L of

Education

> > with

> > > 9L of Higher Education in 2H (Orally Transmitted Vidya)

identical

> > > with the sign of Mercury, the causative planet of Education

might

> > > mean two things

> > > > ------ The subject is destined to have Higher Education

> > > > ---------There will be minimum two breaks in her

Educational

> > > career.

> > > > It also means

> > > > -----Subject will indulge in heated conversation (Reason---

 

> > Two

> > > fiery planets, viz, Sun & Kethu in 2H of speech)

> > > > ------There will be occassional friction between Dad & Mom

> > (Sun &

> > > Sat representing Mom & Dad are mutual enemies)

> > > > -------The subject may have to go for litigation that last

> for

> > > several years(Reasoning---Sun afflicted by Saturn in 2H of

wealth

> > > aspecting the 8H of court case)

> > > > ----The native will also incur Dental complaints (Saturn

> > > afflicted by Sun in 2H of Face) and may have to go for false

> > dentures

> > > or implants (kethu , the planet of Disguise, joining Sun & Sat

in

> > 2H)

> > > > -----There may be some person in her family with Medical

> > History

> > > of Cardiac and or/ Paralytic complaints (Reasoning ---Sun

rules

> > > vitality & Saturn saps vitality. These two

> > > > planets combine in 2H of Family. The conjunction occurs in

> 3rd

> > > sign of the Natural zodiac, that in my personal studies, is

found

> > to

> > > be giving problems with

> > > > Body Movements.

> > > > Hope this helps

> > > > Madhu N Nair

> > > >

> > > > arkaydash <arkaydash@> wrote:

> > > > Dear members,

> > > > I have come across a chart where the so-called subhayoga

from

> > the

> > > > combining planets also casts a shadow. Taurus being the

rising

> > > sign,

> > > > the 2nd hse has Saturn, Sun and Ketu. Now to take Sun and

> > Saturn,

> > > > the lordships give us 4th+9th, which is causative of a good

> > yoga.

> > > > But how do Sun and Saturn meld? The question here is, with

> > > > such 'naisargika-s', how is the 2nd hse impacted? Adversely

or

> > not?

> > > > How do you see it? This is in an unmarried woman's chart.

> > > >

> > > > RK

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear RK ji,

I will reply to this mail in detail. please wait. It was too much

typing today.

Love,

Sreenadh

, " arkaydash "

<arkaydash wrote:

>

> Dear Shreenadhji

> It is OK. I also want Mr M Nair to read this, he who wrote:

>

> " Dear Sreenadh,

> Thankyou very much for citing the discrepancy in the horoscopic

> data. I didn't bother to see the calculations as I thought the

> sender was proficient in Astrology. "

>

> I also want you and Mr Nair to read again my yesterday's posting

and

> see how I have delineated the issue of 'functional versus natural

> malefic/benefic'.

>

> While it is interesting to see your word on whether and why-not-so-

> far of marriage of the jatikaa, my effort was to resolve the evil,

> if any, bearing on the kutmba sthaana. As also to get clear the

nett

> effect of Jup who's the Randhresha (8th lord) here and of Bhagyesh

> getting Sukhesh's (sun's) company and Sukhesh getting Madanesh's

> (7Lrd) dristi, while enjoying the tenancy of 2nd house.

>

> None of you have considered whether Gajakesari yoga has any effect

> on the evil (if indeed it is evil ) concentration in the 2nd hse.

>

> Could we start afresh. The issue before us, as I would like to

posit

> it here, is how we reconcile contradictory/conflicting micro-

> indications and develop a total picture.

>

> The point before us, let me reiterate, is how are we to see

> Sun+Saturn? As Naisargika Paapa with mutual hostility or as 9th+4th

> lords?

>

> Your appraisal of Ju is none too compact. You say:

>

> " It is 8th lord Ju is in 9th, causing all these, and making

> things worse! The significator of marriage is not well placed and

is

> in 3rd. "

>

> Significator of mrg for women as far as I know is Ju, in that Ju

> stands for a guide-like person, which a husband is supposed to be.

>

> Jup as karaka of progeny aspects this Ven and 5th lord. Yes, Moon

> the dispositor of Ve and Me is in 6th. That does not give us reason

> enough to dub the horoscope as a marital no-hoper. I'm sorry, these

> are post facto observations when our attention is drawn to possible

> negative combinations with the sthaan-kaala-patra info provided

> (such as that the girl is unmarried).

>

> Now even if we go by much of the negative inidications piled so far

> I'd lie to examine if there is a secret redemption plan Ju and the

> dispositor of Ve and Me have between them. Yes, Moon with Ju forms

> Gajakesari Yoga. It may not be a top-class GK Yoga. Ju is not

strong

> (apparently at least) and Moon is in 6th (well, not anupachaya at

> least).

>

> Saturn did not give her mariage. Maybe, she was busy building a

> stronger foundation of life. " Wait awhile for 'preya' " -- that

could

> have been the message from Saturn. Do we know? I don't. Tell me,

> without bias tilted towards negatives.

>

> Give me your noble best,

> RK

>

>

>

, " Sreenadh "

> <sreesog@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear RK ji,

> > First of all sorry for my wrong guess on horoscope accuracy.

> Since

> > the latitude and longitude was not given, that caused the

> confusion.

> > My appologies.

> > Now I go back to the first info and question you provided and

> try

> > to answer.

> >

> > It is said that Sa is the son of Su - and that in a horoscope,

if

> > both of them are strong none can hold that person back, since

> he/she

> > will have a strong will and detached mentality. This is a good

> > combination as far as spiritual life is concerned, but for sure

> has

> > its demerits as far as worldly life is concerned. For sure Su is

> 4th

> > lord and Sa 9th lord indicating Rajayoga, but is that enough?

> > Especially when Su-Sa combination is supposed to give bad

results,

> > and when the query is related to the success in worldly life? Sa

> Dasa

> > is supposed to give at least some good results in such

> combinations

> > but it is Me desa that is running currently if we consider

> Vimsottari

> > dasa from Mo. You could see that in the house of Me, (i.e. Ge)

Su,

> Sa

> > and Ke the 3 malefics are placed. A good planet in 9th usually

> > indicates good married life, but you will see that the Ju placed

> in

> > 9th here is the 8th lord and is debilitated. She is born in 1973

> and

> > is already 33 yrs of age. Not getting married, and no children

> till

> > now. It is 8th lord Ju is in 9th, causing all these, and

making

> > things worse! The significator of marriage is not well placed and

> is

> > in 3rd.

> > Even if we are not considering the badhak factor pointed to by

> Madhu

> > ji, the natural malefic Sa and Su placed in 2nd is supposed to

> give

> > bad results in many cases such as -

> > --- Not well enough education. But may have some technical

> > qualifications etc. Yes, education won't be that bad.

> > --- probably will have a job, and would live away from home.

Will

> > have her own earnings, and will rise in life with her own efforts.

> > --- Yes, will talk too much, and will indulge in heated

> > conversations, and may even make others (especially relatives)

> > enemies due to this.

> > --- Won't have a good family life. The quarrels between father

> and

> > mother, unable to adjust with the family etc all may cause

> trouble.

> > She will like mother better than father, but for no benefit! Both

> of

> > them are not going to be of much help for her life success. Would

> > like to live away from home for the sake of mental peace and

> > happiness, but still won't get it.

> > --- Two malefic in 2nd house can give much money related

trouble -

>

> > i.e. lack of enough money, for a successful life.

> > --- May have some face related, (Is it eye related rather than

> teeth

> > related?) trouble. And may have to wear spectacles.

> > --- When the 9th house is afflicted, and when there is no planet

> in

> > 7th, and Sa-Su-Ke is afflicting 2nd house, how we are going to

> > predict an early or good married life for her? Even when she gets

> > married, her husband would be a person who wont be much

interested

> in

> > sexual life.

> > --- Yes, she is good natured, and wants to be in the side of

> truth,

> > and makes good relation with society, helps others etc. All

> positive

> > factors.

> > --- Ta is Lagna and Ve in 3rd. Means she probably may not have

> > younger brothers but younger sisters. That means with more than

> one

> > daughters at home in all this would have been becoming a burden

> for

> > her parents as well!

> > --- She is good to be a friend, and takes responsibilities like

a

> > man. Let us pray god to give her a good life.

> > Why Marriage didn't take place in Saturn's Dasha ?

> > Sa is a natural malefic, is placed along with other malefics,

> making

> > it worse for the second house (own home – with husband and

> children).

> > As Madhu ji said the navamsa of the Dasa lord is in 6th house (in

> > Venus house) corrupting Ve as well, and the navamsa of Ve is in

> 8th

> > and the drishti of 8th lord corrupts Ve also in this regard. Also

> > note that depositor of Ve (i.e. Mo), in dustana (6th), making Ve

> > weaker. The 4th house drishti of Ma falls on Sa, indicating Agni-

> > maruta yoga, destroying almost all good features related to 2nd

> > house. No wonder no marriage took place till 2005 in the dasa of

> Sa.

> > What are the Positive factors?

> > ------ 7th lord is placed in 11th indicating Vivaha-Labha

> > ------ Lagna is aspected by Ju, a natural benefic, and he is also

> the

> > lord of Mangalya stana (the house indicating married life), i.e.

> 8th.

> > ----- Ve is placed with a benefic, Me, and is aspected by the

> natural

> > benefic Ju.

> > ---- Lagna is strong, since Ju aspects it and since its lord is

> in a

> > upachaya sign. Therefore Vimsottari dasa starting from Lagna is

> > important. As per this Ra Desa -Ve Antara is currently running!!

> This

> > is a positive factor since Ra is placed in 8th (Magalya stana)

and

> Ve

> > is Magnalya karaka, and the depositor of Ra aspecting Ve

> indicating a

> > fruitful strong exchange of significance between them.

> > ---- Considering Transit by the end of 2006 and the beginning of

> > 2007, Ju would be in Sc (7th from Lagna and 2nd from Mo), Sa

> would

> > be in Le (4th from Lagna and 11th from Mo) , and Ve would be

> > traversing signs through Ta to Cn. This indicates a positive

> period.

> > Thus even though I agree with the statement of Madhu ji

> > that " Marriage is extremely difficult to take place for this

> native " ,

> > I see the above period (Nov 2007 – May 2007) as probable period

> for

> > positive results. Yes, if strong will (efforts) are done from the

> > part of the native, her relatives, molding the situations and

> > environment in favor.

> > Yes, this in line with the statement of Madhu ji,

> > " So Mercury could give her a marriage but a tasteless married

> life.Tr

> > Jupiter arriving at the sign scorpio will augment and bless her

> with

> > marriage, provided adequate efforts are taken to find a suitable

> > groom from now onwards. "

> > I appreciate and agree with that analysis and the prediction

> done.

> >

> > Hope this helps,

> >

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > , " arkaydash "

> > <arkaydash@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Shreenadhji,

> > >

> > > Sorry if I caused inconvenience by not furnishing the complete

> > > chart. Before your and Shree Madhu's enthusiasm I feel sorry

> > indeed.

> > > No, nothing amiss with the little detail I posted.

> > >

> > > The yr you have veered towards is correct. Ketu steers us here.

> > 1973

> > > or thereabouts.

> > > The DoB is 10 July 1973 and ToB is 1.57 AM. Night birth. PoB:

> > 21.28N

> > > 84.04E

> > >

> > > Which gives us

> > >

> > > Asc Taurus 5.21.54

> > > Sun Gemi 23.58. 11

> > > Moon Libra 22.23.31

> > > Ma Pisces 18.32

> > > Me Cancer 9.28

> > > Ju Capri 16.15

> > > Ven Can 18.02

> > > Sat Gem 3.46

> > > Rh Sag 14.11

> > >

> > > On this horoscope, I and another senior astrologist (about whom

> I

> > > have written to you) could not see eye to eye. He held it

> against

> > > the 2nd-hse concentration of Naisargika malefics. I reasoned

> that

> > > for Taurus lagna Sun is sukhesha (4th lord) and his combining

> with

> > > Bhagyesha (9th lord) in the hse of kutumba and dhana (2nd)

can't

> be

> > > evil. He could not assail my line argument but he remained

> > sceptical

> > > about domestic felicity of a female with this combination.

> > >

> > > I think here is a horoscope where only overall estimate can

lead

> us

> > > to resolving the dichotomy between functional and natural roles

> of

> > > planets. Now of course we have the complete chart or data

> therefor.

> > >

> > > Some of the apprehensions this combination can raise in

> > astrological

> > > minds are: Will such a female native enjoy domestic felicity?

> Will

> > > she be a cementing factor or disruptive factor in the in-laws

> > family

> > > after she gets married. What is her mangayla quotient with Ju

in

> > 9th

> > > aspecting lagna lord and 5th lord and forming Gajakesari Yoga?

> Is

> > > her MQ low because of the nodal axis along 2nd-8th despite Ju

> > > aspecting lagna, forming the GK yoga from Moon, and taking

> trinal

> > > care of the horoscope (aspecting 5th, 5th lord, tenanting 9th,

> and

> > > aspecting lagna).

> > >

> > > If Ju 8th lordship sullies the planet thus robbing it of its

> > natural

> > > benefic power, then Saturn's 9th plus 10th lordship imbues it

> with

> > > great beneficence, which in the company of lord of sukha

> sthhana

> > > Sun, can only redound to happiness and luck. And since it is in

> the

> > > 2nd hse, it will redound to prosperity post-marriage.

> > >

> > > Let's demolish these arguments.

> > >

> > > For example, like this: Ketu, the fiery catalyst, will in the

> > > company of fiery Sun and airy Sat will dry up the the accrual

> from

> > > the yogas. Ans so on. Is that so?

> > >

> > > Sincerely,

> > > RK

> > >

> > > , " Sreenadh "

> > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Madhu ji,

> > > > Please hold your prediction! - the chart seems to be wrong!

> > > > RK ji said: " Taurus being the rising sign, the 2nd hse has

> > > Saturn,

> > > > Sun and Ketu " . That means,

> > > > Lagna = Taurus

> > > > Birth Month = June 15 to July 15 (Since Su is in Ge)

> > > > In Gemini = Sa, Su, and Ke is placed.

> > > > These are the only info he provides. If we consider Sign and

> > > house

> > > > as one, (hoping that he is not considering some type of house

> > > system,

> > > > since he never mentioned it), for which year this is

possible.

> Sa

> > > > takes 30 years to complete a cycle. It is in Ta in 1973,

1974,

> or

> > > it

> > > > could be in 1944 or 1945.

> > > > So the birth took place in either: 1942, 1943,1973, 1974 in

> the

> > > > month of June of July. But we can not get Ke in Ge in any of

> > these

> > > > years!!! The closest possibility is 1974 when Ke would be in

> Ta!

> > > > The Birth date and Time is not provided! What is the point

of

> > > > predicting based on such data?!! Just hold back, get the

exact

> > and

> > > > data and then only proceed.

> > > > Dear RK ji, consider these points and please

restate/rephrase

> > the

> > > > question. Or am I wrong in understanding the data you

> provided?!

> > > > Love,

> > > > Sreenadh

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , VYASAJI

> > > > <vyasatvm@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > RK,

> > > > > You should note that, for Taurus Ascendant, Saturn is

also

> > > Badhak

> > > > (Obstruction !) .A conjunction between Sun, the 4L of

> Education

> > > with

> > > > 9L of Higher Education in 2H (Orally Transmitted Vidya)

> identical

> > > > with the sign of Mercury, the causative planet of Education

> might

> > > > mean two things

> > > > > ------ The subject is destined to have Higher Education

> > > > > ---------There will be minimum two breaks in her

> Educational

> > > > career.

> > > > > It also means

> > > > > -----Subject will indulge in heated conversation (Reason--

-

>

> > > Two

> > > > fiery planets, viz, Sun & Kethu in 2H of speech)

> > > > > ------There will be occassional friction between Dad &

Mom

> > > (Sun &

> > > > Sat representing Mom & Dad are mutual enemies)

> > > > > -------The subject may have to go for litigation that

last

> > for

> > > > several years(Reasoning---Sun afflicted by Saturn in 2H of

> wealth

> > > > aspecting the 8H of court case)

> > > > > ----The native will also incur Dental complaints (Saturn

> > > > afflicted by Sun in 2H of Face) and may have to go for false

> > > dentures

> > > > or implants (kethu , the planet of Disguise, joining Sun &

Sat

> in

> > > 2H)

> > > > > -----There may be some person in her family with Medical

> > > History

> > > > of Cardiac and or/ Paralytic complaints (Reasoning ---Sun

> rules

> > > > vitality & Saturn saps vitality. These two

> > > > > planets combine in 2H of Family. The conjunction occurs

in

> > 3rd

> > > > sign of the Natural zodiac, that in my personal studies, is

> found

> > > to

> > > > be giving problems with

> > > > > Body Movements.

> > > > > Hope this helps

> > > > > Madhu N Nair

> > > > >

> > > > > arkaydash <arkaydash@> wrote:

> > > > > Dear members,

> > > > > I have come across a chart where the so-called subhayoga

> from

> > > the

> > > > > combining planets also casts a shadow. Taurus being the

> rising

> > > > sign,

> > > > > the 2nd hse has Saturn, Sun and Ketu. Now to take Sun and

> > > Saturn,

> > > > > the lordships give us 4th+9th, which is causative of a good

> > > yoga.

> > > > > But how do Sun and Saturn meld? The question here is, with

> > > > > such 'naisargika-s', how is the 2nd hse impacted? Adversely

> or

> > > not?

> > > > > How do you see it? This is in an unmarried woman's chart.

> > > > >

> > > > > RK

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Shreenadhji,

Take your time. I want you and members to first recognise if here is

a genuine issue to be sorted out. To my mind it is not just my

dilemma in balancing the cross-effects. We tend to sway, don't we,

often going by the givens about the jataka's life?

 

Let us bring together our readings from classics and experience and

see if we on this forum can agree wehther the 'functional benefic

effect' will sway over the natural malefic effect.

 

May I add, what I understand the so-called yogas of Phalita Jytisha

to be. They are so much about Naisargikas causing or breaking

certain patterns of fruition. But they are perhaps more about the

functional overriding the natural. Right, sir?

 

By the way in the horoscope under scrutiny we have a yoga as

acclaimed as GK, namely Amala yoga.

 

ThankU,

RK

 

 

 

, " Sreenadh "

<sreesog wrote:

>

> Dear RK ji,

> I will reply to this mail in detail. please wait. It was too much

> typing today.

> Love,

> Sreenadh

> , " arkaydash "

> <arkaydash@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Shreenadhji

> > It is OK. I also want Mr M Nair to read this, he who wrote:

> >

> > " Dear Sreenadh,

> > Thankyou very much for citing the discrepancy in the horoscopic

> > data. I didn't bother to see the calculations as I thought the

> > sender was proficient in Astrology. "

> >

> > I also want you and Mr Nair to read again my yesterday's posting

> and

> > see how I have delineated the issue of 'functional versus

natural

> > malefic/benefic'.

> >

> > While it is interesting to see your word on whether and why-not-

so-

> > far of marriage of the jatikaa, my effort was to resolve the

evil,

> > if any, bearing on the kutmba sthaana. As also to get clear the

> nett

> > effect of Jup who's the Randhresha (8th lord) here and of

Bhagyesh

> > getting Sukhesh's (sun's) company and Sukhesh getting Madanesh's

> > (7Lrd) dristi, while enjoying the tenancy of 2nd house.

> >

> > None of you have considered whether Gajakesari yoga has any

effect

> > on the evil (if indeed it is evil ) concentration in the 2nd

hse.

> >

> > Could we start afresh. The issue before us, as I would like to

> posit

> > it here, is how we reconcile contradictory/conflicting micro-

> > indications and develop a total picture.

> >

> > The point before us, let me reiterate, is how are we to see

> > Sun+Saturn? As Naisargika Paapa with mutual hostility or as

9th+4th

> > lords?

> >

> > Your appraisal of Ju is none too compact. You say:

> >

> > " It is 8th lord Ju is in 9th, causing all these, and making

> > things worse! The significator of marriage is not well placed

and

> is

> > in 3rd. "

> >

> > Significator of mrg for women as far as I know is Ju, in that Ju

> > stands for a guide-like person, which a husband is supposed to

be.

> >

> > Jup as karaka of progeny aspects this Ven and 5th lord. Yes,

Moon

> > the dispositor of Ve and Me is in 6th. That does not give us

reason

> > enough to dub the horoscope as a marital no-hoper. I'm sorry,

these

> > are post facto observations when our attention is drawn to

possible

> > negative combinations with the sthaan-kaala-patra info provided

> > (such as that the girl is unmarried).

> >

> > Now even if we go by much of the negative inidications piled so

far

> > I'd lie to examine if there is a secret redemption plan Ju and

the

> > dispositor of Ve and Me have between them. Yes, Moon with Ju

forms

> > Gajakesari Yoga. It may not be a top-class GK Yoga. Ju is not

> strong

> > (apparently at least) and Moon is in 6th (well, not anupachaya

at

> > least).

> >

> > Saturn did not give her mariage. Maybe, she was busy building a

> > stronger foundation of life. " Wait awhile for 'preya' " -- that

> could

> > have been the message from Saturn. Do we know? I don't. Tell me,

> > without bias tilted towards negatives.

> >

> > Give me your noble best,

> > RK

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " Sreenadh "

> > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear RK ji,

> > > First of all sorry for my wrong guess on horoscope accuracy.

> > Since

> > > the latitude and longitude was not given, that caused the

> > confusion.

> > > My appologies.

> > > Now I go back to the first info and question you provided

and

> > try

> > > to answer.

> > >

> > > It is said that Sa is the son of Su - and that in a

horoscope,

> if

> > > both of them are strong none can hold that person back, since

> > he/she

> > > will have a strong will and detached mentality. This is a good

> > > combination as far as spiritual life is concerned, but for

sure

> > has

> > > its demerits as far as worldly life is concerned. For sure Su

is

> > 4th

> > > lord and Sa 9th lord indicating Rajayoga, but is that enough?

> > > Especially when Su-Sa combination is supposed to give bad

> results,

> > > and when the query is related to the success in worldly life?

Sa

> > Dasa

> > > is supposed to give at least some good results in such

> > combinations

> > > but it is Me desa that is running currently if we consider

> > Vimsottari

> > > dasa from Mo. You could see that in the house of Me, (i.e. Ge)

> Su,

> > Sa

> > > and Ke the 3 malefics are placed. A good planet in 9th

usually

> > > indicates good married life, but you will see that the Ju

placed

> > in

> > > 9th here is the 8th lord and is debilitated. She is born in

1973

> > and

> > > is already 33 yrs of age. Not getting married, and no children

> > till

> > > now. It is 8th lord Ju is in 9th, causing all these, and

> making

> > > things worse! The significator of marriage is not well placed

and

> > is

> > > in 3rd.

> > > Even if we are not considering the badhak factor pointed to by

> > Madhu

> > > ji, the natural malefic Sa and Su placed in 2nd is supposed to

> > give

> > > bad results in many cases such as -

> > > --- Not well enough education. But may have some technical

> > > qualifications etc. Yes, education won't be that bad.

> > > --- probably will have a job, and would live away from home.

> Will

> > > have her own earnings, and will rise in life with her own

efforts.

> > > --- Yes, will talk too much, and will indulge in heated

> > > conversations, and may even make others (especially relatives)

> > > enemies due to this.

> > > --- Won't have a good family life. The quarrels between

father

> > and

> > > mother, unable to adjust with the family etc all may cause

> > trouble.

> > > She will like mother better than father, but for no benefit!

Both

> > of

> > > them are not going to be of much help for her life success.

Would

> > > like to live away from home for the sake of mental peace and

> > > happiness, but still won't get it.

> > > --- Two malefic in 2nd house can give much money related

> trouble -

> >

> > > i.e. lack of enough money, for a successful life.

> > > --- May have some face related, (Is it eye related rather

than

> > teeth

> > > related?) trouble. And may have to wear spectacles.

> > > --- When the 9th house is afflicted, and when there is no

planet

> > in

> > > 7th, and Sa-Su-Ke is afflicting 2nd house, how we are going to

> > > predict an early or good married life for her? Even when she

gets

> > > married, her husband would be a person who wont be much

> interested

> > in

> > > sexual life.

> > > --- Yes, she is good natured, and wants to be in the side of

> > truth,

> > > and makes good relation with society, helps others etc. All

> > positive

> > > factors.

> > > --- Ta is Lagna and Ve in 3rd. Means she probably may not

have

> > > younger brothers but younger sisters. That means with more

than

> > one

> > > daughters at home in all this would have been becoming a

burden

> > for

> > > her parents as well!

> > > --- She is good to be a friend, and takes responsibilities

like

> a

> > > man. Let us pray god to give her a good life.

> > > Why Marriage didn't take place in Saturn's Dasha ?

> > > Sa is a natural malefic, is placed along with other malefics,

> > making

> > > it worse for the second house (own home – with husband and

> > children).

> > > As Madhu ji said the navamsa of the Dasa lord is in 6th house

(in

> > > Venus house) corrupting Ve as well, and the navamsa of Ve is

in

> > 8th

> > > and the drishti of 8th lord corrupts Ve also in this regard.

Also

> > > note that depositor of Ve (i.e. Mo), in dustana (6th), making

Ve

> > > weaker. The 4th house drishti of Ma falls on Sa, indicating

Agni-

> > > maruta yoga, destroying almost all good features related to

2nd

> > > house. No wonder no marriage took place till 2005 in the dasa

of

> > Sa.

> > > What are the Positive factors?

> > > ------ 7th lord is placed in 11th indicating Vivaha-Labha

> > > ------ Lagna is aspected by Ju, a natural benefic, and he is

also

> > the

> > > lord of Mangalya stana (the house indicating married life),

i.e.

> > 8th.

> > > ----- Ve is placed with a benefic, Me, and is aspected by the

> > natural

> > > benefic Ju.

> > > ---- Lagna is strong, since Ju aspects it and since its lord

is

> > in a

> > > upachaya sign. Therefore Vimsottari dasa starting from Lagna

is

> > > important. As per this Ra Desa -Ve Antara is currently

running!!

> > This

> > > is a positive factor since Ra is placed in 8th (Magalya stana)

> and

> > Ve

> > > is Magnalya karaka, and the depositor of Ra aspecting Ve

> > indicating a

> > > fruitful strong exchange of significance between them.

> > > ---- Considering Transit by the end of 2006 and the beginning

of

> > > 2007, Ju would be in Sc (7th from Lagna and 2nd from Mo), Sa

> > would

> > > be in Le (4th from Lagna and 11th from Mo) , and Ve would be

> > > traversing signs through Ta to Cn. This indicates a positive

> > period.

> > > Thus even though I agree with the statement of Madhu ji

> > > that " Marriage is extremely difficult to take place for this

> > native " ,

> > > I see the above period (Nov 2007 – May 2007) as probable

period

> > for

> > > positive results. Yes, if strong will (efforts) are done from

the

> > > part of the native, her relatives, molding the situations and

> > > environment in favor.

> > > Yes, this in line with the statement of Madhu ji,

> > > " So Mercury could give her a marriage but a tasteless married

> > life.Tr

> > > Jupiter arriving at the sign scorpio will augment and bless

her

> > with

> > > marriage, provided adequate efforts are taken to find a

suitable

> > > groom from now onwards. "

> > > I appreciate and agree with that analysis and the prediction

> > done.

> > >

> > > Hope this helps,

> > >

> > > Love,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > > , " arkaydash "

> > > <arkaydash@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Shreenadhji,

> > > >

> > > > Sorry if I caused inconvenience by not furnishing the

complete

> > > > chart. Before your and Shree Madhu's enthusiasm I feel sorry

> > > indeed.

> > > > No, nothing amiss with the little detail I posted.

> > > >

> > > > The yr you have veered towards is correct. Ketu steers us

here.

> > > 1973

> > > > or thereabouts.

> > > > The DoB is 10 July 1973 and ToB is 1.57 AM. Night birth.

PoB:

> > > 21.28N

> > > > 84.04E

> > > >

> > > > Which gives us

> > > >

> > > > Asc Taurus 5.21.54

> > > > Sun Gemi 23.58. 11

> > > > Moon Libra 22.23.31

> > > > Ma Pisces 18.32

> > > > Me Cancer 9.28

> > > > Ju Capri 16.15

> > > > Ven Can 18.02

> > > > Sat Gem 3.46

> > > > Rh Sag 14.11

> > > >

> > > > On this horoscope, I and another senior astrologist (about

whom

> > I

> > > > have written to you) could not see eye to eye. He held it

> > against

> > > > the 2nd-hse concentration of Naisargika malefics. I reasoned

> > that

> > > > for Taurus lagna Sun is sukhesha (4th lord) and his

combining

> > with

> > > > Bhagyesha (9th lord) in the hse of kutumba and dhana (2nd)

> can't

> > be

> > > > evil. He could not assail my line argument but he remained

> > > sceptical

> > > > about domestic felicity of a female with this combination.

> > > >

> > > > I think here is a horoscope where only overall estimate can

> lead

> > us

> > > > to resolving the dichotomy between functional and natural

roles

> > of

> > > > planets. Now of course we have the complete chart or data

> > therefor.

> > > >

> > > > Some of the apprehensions this combination can raise in

> > > astrological

> > > > minds are: Will such a female native enjoy domestic

felicity?

> > Will

> > > > she be a cementing factor or disruptive factor in the in-

laws

> > > family

> > > > after she gets married. What is her mangayla quotient with

Ju

> in

> > > 9th

> > > > aspecting lagna lord and 5th lord and forming Gajakesari

Yoga?

> > Is

> > > > her MQ low because of the nodal axis along 2nd-8th despite

Ju

> > > > aspecting lagna, forming the GK yoga from Moon, and taking

> > trinal

> > > > care of the horoscope (aspecting 5th, 5th lord, tenanting

9th,

> > and

> > > > aspecting lagna).

> > > >

> > > > If Ju 8th lordship sullies the planet thus robbing it of its

> > > natural

> > > > benefic power, then Saturn's 9th plus 10th lordship imbues

it

> > with

> > > > great beneficence, which in the company of lord of sukha

> > sthhana

> > > > Sun, can only redound to happiness and luck. And since it is

in

> > the

> > > > 2nd hse, it will redound to prosperity post-marriage.

> > > >

> > > > Let's demolish these arguments.

> > > >

> > > > For example, like this: Ketu, the fiery catalyst, will in

the

> > > > company of fiery Sun and airy Sat will dry up the the

accrual

> > from

> > > > the yogas. Ans so on. Is that so?

> > > >

> > > > Sincerely,

> > > > RK

> > > >

> > > > , " Sreenadh "

> > > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Madhu ji,

> > > > > Please hold your prediction! - the chart seems to be

wrong!

> > > > > RK ji said: " Taurus being the rising sign, the 2nd hse

has

> > > > Saturn,

> > > > > Sun and Ketu " . That means,

> > > > > Lagna = Taurus

> > > > > Birth Month = June 15 to July 15 (Since Su is in Ge)

> > > > > In Gemini = Sa, Su, and Ke is placed.

> > > > > These are the only info he provides. If we consider Sign

and

> > > > house

> > > > > as one, (hoping that he is not considering some type of

house

> > > > system,

> > > > > since he never mentioned it), for which year this is

> possible.

> > Sa

> > > > > takes 30 years to complete a cycle. It is in Ta in 1973,

> 1974,

> > or

> > > > it

> > > > > could be in 1944 or 1945.

> > > > > So the birth took place in either: 1942, 1943,1973, 1974

in

> > the

> > > > > month of June of July. But we can not get Ke in Ge in any

of

> > > these

> > > > > years!!! The closest possibility is 1974 when Ke would be

in

> > Ta!

> > > > > The Birth date and Time is not provided! What is the

point

> of

> > > > > predicting based on such data?!! Just hold back, get the

> exact

> > > and

> > > > > data and then only proceed.

> > > > > Dear RK ji, consider these points and please

> restate/rephrase

> > > the

> > > > > question. Or am I wrong in understanding the data you

> > provided?!

> > > > > Love,

> > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , VYASAJI

> > > > > <vyasatvm@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RK,

> > > > > > You should note that, for Taurus Ascendant, Saturn is

> also

> > > > Badhak

> > > > > (Obstruction !) .A conjunction between Sun, the 4L of

> > Education

> > > > with

> > > > > 9L of Higher Education in 2H (Orally Transmitted Vidya)

> > identical

> > > > > with the sign of Mercury, the causative planet of

Education

> > might

> > > > > mean two things

> > > > > > ------ The subject is destined to have Higher Education

> > > > > > ---------There will be minimum two breaks in her

> > Educational

> > > > > career.

> > > > > > It also means

> > > > > > -----Subject will indulge in heated conversation

(Reason--

> -

> >

> > > > Two

> > > > > fiery planets, viz, Sun & Kethu in 2H of speech)

> > > > > > ------There will be occassional friction between Dad &

> Mom

> > > > (Sun &

> > > > > Sat representing Mom & Dad are mutual enemies)

> > > > > > -------The subject may have to go for litigation that

> last

> > > for

> > > > > several years(Reasoning---Sun afflicted by Saturn in 2H of

> > wealth

> > > > > aspecting the 8H of court case)

> > > > > > ----The native will also incur Dental complaints

(Saturn

> > > > > afflicted by Sun in 2H of Face) and may have to go for

false

> > > > dentures

> > > > > or implants (kethu , the planet of Disguise, joining Sun &

> Sat

> > in

> > > > 2H)

> > > > > > -----There may be some person in her family with

Medical

> > > > History

> > > > > of Cardiac and or/ Paralytic complaints (Reasoning ---Sun

> > rules

> > > > > vitality & Saturn saps vitality. These two

> > > > > > planets combine in 2H of Family. The conjunction

occurs

> in

> > > 3rd

> > > > > sign of the Natural zodiac, that in my personal studies,

is

> > found

> > > > to

> > > > > be giving problems with

> > > > > > Body Movements.

> > > > > > Hope this helps

> > > > > > Madhu N Nair

> > > > > >

> > > > > > arkaydash <arkaydash@> wrote:

> > > > > > Dear members,

> > > > > > I have come across a chart where the so-called subhayoga

> > from

> > > > the

> > > > > > combining planets also casts a shadow. Taurus being the

> > rising

> > > > > sign,

> > > > > > the 2nd hse has Saturn, Sun and Ketu. Now to take Sun

and

> > > > Saturn,

> > > > > > the lordships give us 4th+9th, which is causative of a

good

> > > > yoga.

> > > > > > But how do Sun and Saturn meld? The question here is,

with

> > > > > > such 'naisargika-s', how is the 2nd hse impacted?

Adversely

> > or

> > > > not?

> > > > > > How do you see it? This is in an unmarried woman's

chart.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RK

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear RK ji,

Opinion appreciated. But let me finish off with the answer to

your first message, first.

P.S.: You always keep me pending for replies. (Just remembering

the 3 pending personal replies I owe to you)

Love,

Sreenadh

 

, " arkaydash "

<arkaydash wrote:

>

> Dear Shreenadhji,

> Take your time. I want you and members to first recognise if here

is

> a genuine issue to be sorted out. To my mind it is not just my

> dilemma in balancing the cross-effects. We tend to sway, don't we,

> often going by the givens about the jataka's life?

>

> Let us bring together our readings from classics and experience and

> see if we on this forum can agree wehther the 'functional benefic

> effect' will sway over the natural malefic effect.

>

> May I add, what I understand the so-called yogas of Phalita Jytisha

> to be. They are so much about Naisargikas causing or breaking

> certain patterns of fruition. But they are perhaps more about the

> functional overriding the natural. Right, sir?

>

> By the way in the horoscope under scrutiny we have a yoga as

> acclaimed as GK, namely Amala yoga.

>

> ThankU,

> RK

>

>

>

> , " Sreenadh "

> <sreesog@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear RK ji,

> > I will reply to this mail in detail. please wait. It was too

much

> > typing today.

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> > , " arkaydash "

> > <arkaydash@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Shreenadhji

> > > It is OK. I also want Mr M Nair to read this, he who wrote:

> > >

> > > " Dear Sreenadh,

> > > Thankyou very much for citing the discrepancy in the horoscopic

> > > data. I didn't bother to see the calculations as I thought the

> > > sender was proficient in Astrology. "

> > >

> > > I also want you and Mr Nair to read again my yesterday's

posting

> > and

> > > see how I have delineated the issue of 'functional versus

> natural

> > > malefic/benefic'.

> > >

> > > While it is interesting to see your word on whether and why-not-

> so-

> > > far of marriage of the jatikaa, my effort was to resolve the

> evil,

> > > if any, bearing on the kutmba sthaana. As also to get clear the

> > nett

> > > effect of Jup who's the Randhresha (8th lord) here and of

> Bhagyesh

> > > getting Sukhesh's (sun's) company and Sukhesh getting

Madanesh's

> > > (7Lrd) dristi, while enjoying the tenancy of 2nd house.

> > >

> > > None of you have considered whether Gajakesari yoga has any

> effect

> > > on the evil (if indeed it is evil ) concentration in the 2nd

> hse.

> > >

> > > Could we start afresh. The issue before us, as I would like to

> > posit

> > > it here, is how we reconcile contradictory/conflicting micro-

> > > indications and develop a total picture.

> > >

> > > The point before us, let me reiterate, is how are we to see

> > > Sun+Saturn? As Naisargika Paapa with mutual hostility or as

> 9th+4th

> > > lords?

> > >

> > > Your appraisal of Ju is none too compact. You say:

> > >

> > > " It is 8th lord Ju is in 9th, causing all these, and making

> > > things worse! The significator of marriage is not well placed

> and

> > is

> > > in 3rd. "

> > >

> > > Significator of mrg for women as far as I know is Ju, in that

Ju

> > > stands for a guide-like person, which a husband is supposed to

> be.

> > >

> > > Jup as karaka of progeny aspects this Ven and 5th lord. Yes,

> Moon

> > > the dispositor of Ve and Me is in 6th. That does not give us

> reason

> > > enough to dub the horoscope as a marital no-hoper. I'm sorry,

> these

> > > are post facto observations when our attention is drawn to

> possible

> > > negative combinations with the sthaan-kaala-patra info provided

> > > (such as that the girl is unmarried).

> > >

> > > Now even if we go by much of the negative inidications piled so

> far

> > > I'd lie to examine if there is a secret redemption plan Ju and

> the

> > > dispositor of Ve and Me have between them. Yes, Moon with Ju

> forms

> > > Gajakesari Yoga. It may not be a top-class GK Yoga. Ju is not

> > strong

> > > (apparently at least) and Moon is in 6th (well, not anupachaya

> at

> > > least).

> > >

> > > Saturn did not give her mariage. Maybe, she was busy building a

> > > stronger foundation of life. " Wait awhile for 'preya' " -- that

> > could

> > > have been the message from Saturn. Do we know? I don't. Tell

me,

> > > without bias tilted towards negatives.

> > >

> > > Give me your noble best,

> > > RK

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " Sreenadh "

> > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear RK ji,

> > > > First of all sorry for my wrong guess on horoscope accuracy.

> > > Since

> > > > the latitude and longitude was not given, that caused the

> > > confusion.

> > > > My appologies.

> > > > Now I go back to the first info and question you provided

> and

> > > try

> > > > to answer.

> > > >

> > > > It is said that Sa is the son of Su - and that in a

> horoscope,

> > if

> > > > both of them are strong none can hold that person back, since

> > > he/she

> > > > will have a strong will and detached mentality. This is a

good

> > > > combination as far as spiritual life is concerned, but for

> sure

> > > has

> > > > its demerits as far as worldly life is concerned. For sure Su

> is

> > > 4th

> > > > lord and Sa 9th lord indicating Rajayoga, but is that enough?

> > > > Especially when Su-Sa combination is supposed to give bad

> > results,

> > > > and when the query is related to the success in worldly life?

> Sa

> > > Dasa

> > > > is supposed to give at least some good results in such

> > > combinations

> > > > but it is Me desa that is running currently if we consider

> > > Vimsottari

> > > > dasa from Mo. You could see that in the house of Me, (i.e.

Ge)

> > Su,

> > > Sa

> > > > and Ke the 3 malefics are placed. A good planet in 9th

> usually

> > > > indicates good married life, but you will see that the Ju

> placed

> > > in

> > > > 9th here is the 8th lord and is debilitated. She is born in

> 1973

> > > and

> > > > is already 33 yrs of age. Not getting married, and no

children

> > > till

> > > > now. It is 8th lord Ju is in 9th, causing all these, and

> > making

> > > > things worse! The significator of marriage is not well placed

> and

> > > is

> > > > in 3rd.

> > > > Even if we are not considering the badhak factor pointed to

by

> > > Madhu

> > > > ji, the natural malefic Sa and Su placed in 2nd is supposed

to

> > > give

> > > > bad results in many cases such as -

> > > > --- Not well enough education. But may have some technical

> > > > qualifications etc. Yes, education won't be that bad.

> > > > --- probably will have a job, and would live away from home.

> > Will

> > > > have her own earnings, and will rise in life with her own

> efforts.

> > > > --- Yes, will talk too much, and will indulge in heated

> > > > conversations, and may even make others (especially

relatives)

> > > > enemies due to this.

> > > > --- Won't have a good family life. The quarrels between

> father

> > > and

> > > > mother, unable to adjust with the family etc all may cause

> > > trouble.

> > > > She will like mother better than father, but for no benefit!

> Both

> > > of

> > > > them are not going to be of much help for her life success.

> Would

> > > > like to live away from home for the sake of mental peace and

> > > > happiness, but still won't get it.

> > > > --- Two malefic in 2nd house can give much money related

> > trouble -

> > >

> > > > i.e. lack of enough money, for a successful life.

> > > > --- May have some face related, (Is it eye related rather

> than

> > > teeth

> > > > related?) trouble. And may have to wear spectacles.

> > > > --- When the 9th house is afflicted, and when there is no

> planet

> > > in

> > > > 7th, and Sa-Su-Ke is afflicting 2nd house, how we are going

to

> > > > predict an early or good married life for her? Even when she

> gets

> > > > married, her husband would be a person who wont be much

> > interested

> > > in

> > > > sexual life.

> > > > --- Yes, she is good natured, and wants to be in the side of

> > > truth,

> > > > and makes good relation with society, helps others etc. All

> > > positive

> > > > factors.

> > > > --- Ta is Lagna and Ve in 3rd. Means she probably may not

> have

> > > > younger brothers but younger sisters. That means with more

> than

> > > one

> > > > daughters at home in all this would have been becoming a

> burden

> > > for

> > > > her parents as well!

> > > > --- She is good to be a friend, and takes responsibilities

> like

> > a

> > > > man. Let us pray god to give her a good life.

> > > > Why Marriage didn't take place in Saturn's Dasha ?

> > > > Sa is a natural malefic, is placed along with other malefics,

> > > making

> > > > it worse for the second house (own home – with husband and

> > > children).

> > > > As Madhu ji said the navamsa of the Dasa lord is in 6th house

> (in

> > > > Venus house) corrupting Ve as well, and the navamsa of Ve is

> in

> > > 8th

> > > > and the drishti of 8th lord corrupts Ve also in this regard.

> Also

> > > > note that depositor of Ve (i.e. Mo), in dustana (6th), making

> Ve

> > > > weaker. The 4th house drishti of Ma falls on Sa, indicating

> Agni-

> > > > maruta yoga, destroying almost all good features related to

> 2nd

> > > > house. No wonder no marriage took place till 2005 in the dasa

> of

> > > Sa.

> > > > What are the Positive factors?

> > > > ------ 7th lord is placed in 11th indicating Vivaha-Labha

> > > > ------ Lagna is aspected by Ju, a natural benefic, and he is

> also

> > > the

> > > > lord of Mangalya stana (the house indicating married life),

> i.e.

> > > 8th.

> > > > ----- Ve is placed with a benefic, Me, and is aspected by the

> > > natural

> > > > benefic Ju.

> > > > ---- Lagna is strong, since Ju aspects it and since its lord

> is

> > > in a

> > > > upachaya sign. Therefore Vimsottari dasa starting from Lagna

> is

> > > > important. As per this Ra Desa -Ve Antara is currently

> running!!

> > > This

> > > > is a positive factor since Ra is placed in 8th (Magalya

stana)

> > and

> > > Ve

> > > > is Magnalya karaka, and the depositor of Ra aspecting Ve

> > > indicating a

> > > > fruitful strong exchange of significance between them.

> > > > ---- Considering Transit by the end of 2006 and the beginning

> of

> > > > 2007, Ju would be in Sc (7th from Lagna and 2nd from Mo), Sa

> > > would

> > > > be in Le (4th from Lagna and 11th from Mo) , and Ve would be

> > > > traversing signs through Ta to Cn. This indicates a positive

> > > period.

> > > > Thus even though I agree with the statement of Madhu ji

> > > > that " Marriage is extremely difficult to take place for this

> > > native " ,

> > > > I see the above period (Nov 2007 – May 2007) as probable

> period

> > > for

> > > > positive results. Yes, if strong will (efforts) are done from

> the

> > > > part of the native, her relatives, molding the situations and

> > > > environment in favor.

> > > > Yes, this in line with the statement of Madhu ji,

> > > > " So Mercury could give her a marriage but a tasteless married

> > > life.Tr

> > > > Jupiter arriving at the sign scorpio will augment and bless

> her

> > > with

> > > > marriage, provided adequate efforts are taken to find a

> suitable

> > > > groom from now onwards. "

> > > > I appreciate and agree with that analysis and the

prediction

> > > done.

> > > >

> > > > Hope this helps,

> > > >

> > > > Love,

> > > > Sreenadh

> > > >

> > > > , " arkaydash "

> > > > <arkaydash@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Shreenadhji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Sorry if I caused inconvenience by not furnishing the

> complete

> > > > > chart. Before your and Shree Madhu's enthusiasm I feel

sorry

> > > > indeed.

> > > > > No, nothing amiss with the little detail I posted.

> > > > >

> > > > > The yr you have veered towards is correct. Ketu steers us

> here.

> > > > 1973

> > > > > or thereabouts.

> > > > > The DoB is 10 July 1973 and ToB is 1.57 AM. Night birth.

> PoB:

> > > > 21.28N

> > > > > 84.04E

> > > > >

> > > > > Which gives us

> > > > >

> > > > > Asc Taurus 5.21.54

> > > > > Sun Gemi 23.58. 11

> > > > > Moon Libra 22.23.31

> > > > > Ma Pisces 18.32

> > > > > Me Cancer 9.28

> > > > > Ju Capri 16.15

> > > > > Ven Can 18.02

> > > > > Sat Gem 3.46

> > > > > Rh Sag 14.11

> > > > >

> > > > > On this horoscope, I and another senior astrologist (about

> whom

> > > I

> > > > > have written to you) could not see eye to eye. He held it

> > > against

> > > > > the 2nd-hse concentration of Naisargika malefics. I

reasoned

> > > that

> > > > > for Taurus lagna Sun is sukhesha (4th lord) and his

> combining

> > > with

> > > > > Bhagyesha (9th lord) in the hse of kutumba and dhana (2nd)

> > can't

> > > be

> > > > > evil. He could not assail my line argument but he remained

> > > > sceptical

> > > > > about domestic felicity of a female with this combination.

> > > > >

> > > > > I think here is a horoscope where only overall estimate can

> > lead

> > > us

> > > > > to resolving the dichotomy between functional and natural

> roles

> > > of

> > > > > planets. Now of course we have the complete chart or data

> > > therefor.

> > > > >

> > > > > Some of the apprehensions this combination can raise in

> > > > astrological

> > > > > minds are: Will such a female native enjoy domestic

> felicity?

> > > Will

> > > > > she be a cementing factor or disruptive factor in the in-

> laws

> > > > family

> > > > > after she gets married. What is her mangayla quotient with

> Ju

> > in

> > > > 9th

> > > > > aspecting lagna lord and 5th lord and forming Gajakesari

> Yoga?

> > > Is

> > > > > her MQ low because of the nodal axis along 2nd-8th despite

> Ju

> > > > > aspecting lagna, forming the GK yoga from Moon, and taking

> > > trinal

> > > > > care of the horoscope (aspecting 5th, 5th lord, tenanting

> 9th,

> > > and

> > > > > aspecting lagna).

> > > > >

> > > > > If Ju 8th lordship sullies the planet thus robbing it of

its

> > > > natural

> > > > > benefic power, then Saturn's 9th plus 10th lordship imbues

> it

> > > with

> > > > > great beneficence, which in the company of lord of sukha

> > > sthhana

> > > > > Sun, can only redound to happiness and luck. And since it

is

> in

> > > the

> > > > > 2nd hse, it will redound to prosperity post-marriage.

> > > > >

> > > > > Let's demolish these arguments.

> > > > >

> > > > > For example, like this: Ketu, the fiery catalyst, will in

> the

> > > > > company of fiery Sun and airy Sat will dry up the the

> accrual

> > > from

> > > > > the yogas. Ans so on. Is that so?

> > > > >

> > > > > Sincerely,

> > > > > RK

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Sreenadh "

> > > > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Madhu ji,

> > > > > > Please hold your prediction! - the chart seems to be

> wrong!

> > > > > > RK ji said: " Taurus being the rising sign, the 2nd hse

> has

> > > > > Saturn,

> > > > > > Sun and Ketu " . That means,

> > > > > > Lagna = Taurus

> > > > > > Birth Month = June 15 to July 15 (Since Su is in Ge)

> > > > > > In Gemini = Sa, Su, and Ke is placed.

> > > > > > These are the only info he provides. If we consider Sign

> and

> > > > > house

> > > > > > as one, (hoping that he is not considering some type of

> house

> > > > > system,

> > > > > > since he never mentioned it), for which year this is

> > possible.

> > > Sa

> > > > > > takes 30 years to complete a cycle. It is in Ta in 1973,

> > 1974,

> > > or

> > > > > it

> > > > > > could be in 1944 or 1945.

> > > > > > So the birth took place in either: 1942, 1943,1973, 1974

> in

> > > the

> > > > > > month of June of July. But we can not get Ke in Ge in any

> of

> > > > these

> > > > > > years!!! The closest possibility is 1974 when Ke would be

> in

> > > Ta!

> > > > > > The Birth date and Time is not provided! What is the

> point

> > of

> > > > > > predicting based on such data?!! Just hold back, get the

> > exact

> > > > and

> > > > > > data and then only proceed.

> > > > > > Dear RK ji, consider these points and please

> > restate/rephrase

> > > > the

> > > > > > question. Or am I wrong in understanding the data you

> > > provided?!

> > > > > > Love,

> > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , VYASAJI

> > > > > > <vyasatvm@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RK,

> > > > > > > You should note that, for Taurus Ascendant, Saturn is

> > also

> > > > > Badhak

> > > > > > (Obstruction !) .A conjunction between Sun, the 4L of

> > > Education

> > > > > with

> > > > > > 9L of Higher Education in 2H (Orally Transmitted Vidya)

> > > identical

> > > > > > with the sign of Mercury, the causative planet of

> Education

> > > might

> > > > > > mean two things

> > > > > > > ------ The subject is destined to have Higher

Education

> > > > > > > ---------There will be minimum two breaks in her

> > > Educational

> > > > > > career.

> > > > > > > It also means

> > > > > > > -----Subject will indulge in heated conversation

> (Reason--

> > -

> > >

> > > > > Two

> > > > > > fiery planets, viz, Sun & Kethu in 2H of speech)

> > > > > > > ------There will be occassional friction between Dad

&

> > Mom

> > > > > (Sun &

> > > > > > Sat representing Mom & Dad are mutual enemies)

> > > > > > > -------The subject may have to go for litigation that

> > last

> > > > for

> > > > > > several years(Reasoning---Sun afflicted by Saturn in 2H

of

> > > wealth

> > > > > > aspecting the 8H of court case)

> > > > > > > ----The native will also incur Dental complaints

> (Saturn

> > > > > > afflicted by Sun in 2H of Face) and may have to go for

> false

> > > > > dentures

> > > > > > or implants (kethu , the planet of Disguise, joining Sun

&

> > Sat

> > > in

> > > > > 2H)

> > > > > > > -----There may be some person in her family with

> Medical

> > > > > History

> > > > > > of Cardiac and or/ Paralytic complaints (Reasoning ---Sun

> > > rules

> > > > > > vitality & Saturn saps vitality. These two

> > > > > > > planets combine in 2H of Family. The conjunction

> occurs

> > in

> > > > 3rd

> > > > > > sign of the Natural zodiac, that in my personal studies,

> is

> > > found

> > > > > to

> > > > > > be giving problems with

> > > > > > > Body Movements.

> > > > > > > Hope this helps

> > > > > > > Madhu N Nair

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > arkaydash <arkaydash@> wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear members,

> > > > > > > I have come across a chart where the so-called

subhayoga

> > > from

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > combining planets also casts a shadow. Taurus being the

> > > rising

> > > > > > sign,

> > > > > > > the 2nd hse has Saturn, Sun and Ketu. Now to take Sun

> and

> > > > > Saturn,

> > > > > > > the lordships give us 4th+9th, which is causative of a

> good

> > > > > yoga.

> > > > > > > But how do Sun and Saturn meld? The question here is,

> with

> > > > > > > such 'naisargika-s', how is the 2nd hse impacted?

> Adversely

> > > or

> > > > > not?

> > > > > > > How do you see it? This is in an unmarried woman's

> chart.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RK

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Shreenadh ji,

A very conscientious excuse. I appreciate that.

Love and respect,

RK

 

PS I must probe my 9th-hse coordinates (at least transit-wise) if

the deferral is due to some superlunary mischief and if a big bang

of illumination is coming.

 

, " Sreenadh "

<sreesog wrote:

>

> Dear RK ji,

> Opinion appreciated. But let me finish off with the answer to

> your first message, first.

> P.S.: You always keep me pending for replies. (Just

remembering

> the 3 pending personal replies I owe to you)

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> , " arkaydash "

> <arkaydash@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Shreenadhji,

> > Take your time. I want you and members to first recognise if

here

> is

> > a genuine issue to be sorted out. To my mind it is not just my

> > dilemma in balancing the cross-effects. We tend to sway, don't

we,

> > often going by the givens about the jataka's life?

> >

> > Let us bring together our readings from classics and experience

and

> > see if we on this forum can agree wehther the 'functional

benefic

> > effect' will sway over the natural malefic effect.

> >

> > May I add, what I understand the so-called yogas of Phalita

Jytisha

> > to be. They are so much about Naisargikas causing or breaking

> > certain patterns of fruition. But they are perhaps more about

the

> > functional overriding the natural. Right, sir?

> >

> > By the way in the horoscope under scrutiny we have a yoga as

> > acclaimed as GK, namely Amala yoga.

> >

> > ThankU,

> > RK

> >

> >

> >

> > , " Sreenadh "

> > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear RK ji,

> > > I will reply to this mail in detail. please wait. It was too

> much

> > > typing today.

> > > Love,

> > > Sreenadh

> > > , " arkaydash "

> > > <arkaydash@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Shreenadhji

> > > > It is OK. I also want Mr M Nair to read this, he who wrote:

> > > >

> > > > " Dear Sreenadh,

> > > > Thankyou very much for citing the discrepancy in the

horoscopic

> > > > data. I didn't bother to see the calculations as I thought

the

> > > > sender was proficient in Astrology. "

> > > >

> > > > I also want you and Mr Nair to read again my yesterday's

> posting

> > > and

> > > > see how I have delineated the issue of 'functional versus

> > natural

> > > > malefic/benefic'.

> > > >

> > > > While it is interesting to see your word on whether and why-

not-

> > so-

> > > > far of marriage of the jatikaa, my effort was to resolve the

> > evil,

> > > > if any, bearing on the kutmba sthaana. As also to get clear

the

> > > nett

> > > > effect of Jup who's the Randhresha (8th lord) here and of

> > Bhagyesh

> > > > getting Sukhesh's (sun's) company and Sukhesh getting

> Madanesh's

> > > > (7Lrd) dristi, while enjoying the tenancy of 2nd house.

> > > >

> > > > None of you have considered whether Gajakesari yoga has any

> > effect

> > > > on the evil (if indeed it is evil ) concentration in the 2nd

> > hse.

> > > >

> > > > Could we start afresh. The issue before us, as I would like

to

> > > posit

> > > > it here, is how we reconcile contradictory/conflicting micro-

> > > > indications and develop a total picture.

> > > >

> > > > The point before us, let me reiterate, is how are we to see

> > > > Sun+Saturn? As Naisargika Paapa with mutual hostility or as

> > 9th+4th

> > > > lords?

> > > >

> > > > Your appraisal of Ju is none too compact. You say:

> > > >

> > > > " It is 8th lord Ju is in 9th, causing all these, and making

> > > > things worse! The significator of marriage is not well

placed

> > and

> > > is

> > > > in 3rd. "

> > > >

> > > > Significator of mrg for women as far as I know is Ju, in

that

> Ju

> > > > stands for a guide-like person, which a husband is supposed

to

> > be.

> > > >

> > > > Jup as karaka of progeny aspects this Ven and 5th lord. Yes,

> > Moon

> > > > the dispositor of Ve and Me is in 6th. That does not give us

> > reason

> > > > enough to dub the horoscope as a marital no-hoper. I'm

sorry,

> > these

> > > > are post facto observations when our attention is drawn to

> > possible

> > > > negative combinations with the sthaan-kaala-patra info

provided

> > > > (such as that the girl is unmarried).

> > > >

> > > > Now even if we go by much of the negative inidications piled

so

> > far

> > > > I'd lie to examine if there is a secret redemption plan Ju

and

> > the

> > > > dispositor of Ve and Me have between them. Yes, Moon with Ju

> > forms

> > > > Gajakesari Yoga. It may not be a top-class GK Yoga. Ju is

not

> > > strong

> > > > (apparently at least) and Moon is in 6th (well, not

anupachaya

> > at

> > > > least).

> > > >

> > > > Saturn did not give her mariage. Maybe, she was busy

building a

> > > > stronger foundation of life. " Wait awhile for 'preya' " --

that

> > > could

> > > > have been the message from Saturn. Do we know? I don't. Tell

> me,

> > > > without bias tilted towards negatives.

> > > >

> > > > Give me your noble best,

> > > > RK

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " Sreenadh "

> > > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear RK ji,

> > > > > First of all sorry for my wrong guess on horoscope

accuracy.

> > > > Since

> > > > > the latitude and longitude was not given, that caused the

> > > > confusion.

> > > > > My appologies.

> > > > > Now I go back to the first info and question you

provided

> > and

> > > > try

> > > > > to answer.

> > > > >

> > > > > It is said that Sa is the son of Su - and that in a

> > horoscope,

> > > if

> > > > > both of them are strong none can hold that person back,

since

> > > > he/she

> > > > > will have a strong will and detached mentality. This is a

> good

> > > > > combination as far as spiritual life is concerned, but for

> > sure

> > > > has

> > > > > its demerits as far as worldly life is concerned. For sure

Su

> > is

> > > > 4th

> > > > > lord and Sa 9th lord indicating Rajayoga, but is that

enough?

> > > > > Especially when Su-Sa combination is supposed to give bad

> > > results,

> > > > > and when the query is related to the success in worldly

life?

> > Sa

> > > > Dasa

> > > > > is supposed to give at least some good results in such

> > > > combinations

> > > > > but it is Me desa that is running currently if we consider

> > > > Vimsottari

> > > > > dasa from Mo. You could see that in the house of Me, (i.e.

> Ge)

> > > Su,

> > > > Sa

> > > > > and Ke the 3 malefics are placed. A good planet in 9th

> > usually

> > > > > indicates good married life, but you will see that the Ju

> > placed

> > > > in

> > > > > 9th here is the 8th lord and is debilitated. She is born

in

> > 1973

> > > > and

> > > > > is already 33 yrs of age. Not getting married, and no

> children

> > > > till

> > > > > now. It is 8th lord Ju is in 9th, causing all these,

and

> > > making

> > > > > things worse! The significator of marriage is not well

placed

> > and

> > > > is

> > > > > in 3rd.

> > > > > Even if we are not considering the badhak factor pointed

to

> by

> > > > Madhu

> > > > > ji, the natural malefic Sa and Su placed in 2nd is

supposed

> to

> > > > give

> > > > > bad results in many cases such as -

> > > > > --- Not well enough education. But may have some

technical

> > > > > qualifications etc. Yes, education won't be that bad.

> > > > > --- probably will have a job, and would live away from

home.

> > > Will

> > > > > have her own earnings, and will rise in life with her own

> > efforts.

> > > > > --- Yes, will talk too much, and will indulge in heated

> > > > > conversations, and may even make others (especially

> relatives)

> > > > > enemies due to this.

> > > > > --- Won't have a good family life. The quarrels between

> > father

> > > > and

> > > > > mother, unable to adjust with the family etc all may cause

> > > > trouble.

> > > > > She will like mother better than father, but for no

benefit!

> > Both

> > > > of

> > > > > them are not going to be of much help for her life

success.

> > Would

> > > > > like to live away from home for the sake of mental peace

and

> > > > > happiness, but still won't get it.

> > > > > --- Two malefic in 2nd house can give much money related

> > > trouble -

> > > >

> > > > > i.e. lack of enough money, for a successful life.

> > > > > --- May have some face related, (Is it eye related rather

> > than

> > > > teeth

> > > > > related?) trouble. And may have to wear spectacles.

> > > > > --- When the 9th house is afflicted, and when there is no

> > planet

> > > > in

> > > > > 7th, and Sa-Su-Ke is afflicting 2nd house, how we are

going

> to

> > > > > predict an early or good married life for her? Even when

she

> > gets

> > > > > married, her husband would be a person who wont be much

> > > interested

> > > > in

> > > > > sexual life.

> > > > > --- Yes, she is good natured, and wants to be in the side

of

> > > > truth,

> > > > > and makes good relation with society, helps others etc.

All

> > > > positive

> > > > > factors.

> > > > > --- Ta is Lagna and Ve in 3rd. Means she probably may not

> > have

> > > > > younger brothers but younger sisters. That means with more

> > than

> > > > one

> > > > > daughters at home in all this would have been becoming a

> > burden

> > > > for

> > > > > her parents as well!

> > > > > --- She is good to be a friend, and takes

responsibilities

> > like

> > > a

> > > > > man. Let us pray god to give her a good life.

> > > > > Why Marriage didn't take place in Saturn's Dasha ?

> > > > > Sa is a natural malefic, is placed along with other

malefics,

> > > > making

> > > > > it worse for the second house (own home – with husband and

> > > > children).

> > > > > As Madhu ji said the navamsa of the Dasa lord is in 6th

house

> > (in

> > > > > Venus house) corrupting Ve as well, and the navamsa of Ve

is

> > in

> > > > 8th

> > > > > and the drishti of 8th lord corrupts Ve also in this

regard.

> > Also

> > > > > note that depositor of Ve (i.e. Mo), in dustana (6th),

making

> > Ve

> > > > > weaker. The 4th house drishti of Ma falls on Sa,

indicating

> > Agni-

> > > > > maruta yoga, destroying almost all good features related

to

> > 2nd

> > > > > house. No wonder no marriage took place till 2005 in the

dasa

> > of

> > > > Sa.

> > > > > What are the Positive factors?

> > > > > ------ 7th lord is placed in 11th indicating Vivaha-Labha

> > > > > ------ Lagna is aspected by Ju, a natural benefic, and he

is

> > also

> > > > the

> > > > > lord of Mangalya stana (the house indicating married

life),

> > i.e.

> > > > 8th.

> > > > > ----- Ve is placed with a benefic, Me, and is aspected by

the

> > > > natural

> > > > > benefic Ju.

> > > > > ---- Lagna is strong, since Ju aspects it and since its

lord

> > is

> > > > in a

> > > > > upachaya sign. Therefore Vimsottari dasa starting from

Lagna

> > is

> > > > > important. As per this Ra Desa -Ve Antara is currently

> > running!!

> > > > This

> > > > > is a positive factor since Ra is placed in 8th (Magalya

> stana)

> > > and

> > > > Ve

> > > > > is Magnalya karaka, and the depositor of Ra aspecting Ve

> > > > indicating a

> > > > > fruitful strong exchange of significance between them.

> > > > > ---- Considering Transit by the end of 2006 and the

beginning

> > of

> > > > > 2007, Ju would be in Sc (7th from Lagna and 2nd from Mo),

Sa

> > > > would

> > > > > be in Le (4th from Lagna and 11th from Mo) , and Ve would

be

> > > > > traversing signs through Ta to Cn. This indicates a

positive

> > > > period.

> > > > > Thus even though I agree with the statement of Madhu ji

> > > > > that " Marriage is extremely difficult to take place for

this

> > > > native " ,

> > > > > I see the above period (Nov 2007 – May 2007) as probable

> > period

> > > > for

> > > > > positive results. Yes, if strong will (efforts) are done

from

> > the

> > > > > part of the native, her relatives, molding the situations

and

> > > > > environment in favor.

> > > > > Yes, this in line with the statement of Madhu ji,

> > > > > " So Mercury could give her a marriage but a tasteless

married

> > > > life.Tr

> > > > > Jupiter arriving at the sign scorpio will augment and

bless

> > her

> > > > with

> > > > > marriage, provided adequate efforts are taken to find a

> > suitable

> > > > > groom from now onwards. "

> > > > > I appreciate and agree with that analysis and the

> prediction

> > > > done.

> > > > >

> > > > > Hope this helps,

> > > > >

> > > > > Love,

> > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > >

> > > > > --- In

, " arkaydash "

> > > > > <arkaydash@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Shreenadhji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sorry if I caused inconvenience by not furnishing the

> > complete

> > > > > > chart. Before your and Shree Madhu's enthusiasm I feel

> sorry

> > > > > indeed.

> > > > > > No, nothing amiss with the little detail I posted.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The yr you have veered towards is correct. Ketu steers

us

> > here.

> > > > > 1973

> > > > > > or thereabouts.

> > > > > > The DoB is 10 July 1973 and ToB is 1.57 AM. Night birth.

> > PoB:

> > > > > 21.28N

> > > > > > 84.04E

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Which gives us

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Asc Taurus 5.21.54

> > > > > > Sun Gemi 23.58. 11

> > > > > > Moon Libra 22.23.31

> > > > > > Ma Pisces 18.32

> > > > > > Me Cancer 9.28

> > > > > > Ju Capri 16.15

> > > > > > Ven Can 18.02

> > > > > > Sat Gem 3.46

> > > > > > Rh Sag 14.11

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On this horoscope, I and another senior astrologist

(about

> > whom

> > > > I

> > > > > > have written to you) could not see eye to eye. He held

it

> > > > against

> > > > > > the 2nd-hse concentration of Naisargika malefics. I

> reasoned

> > > > that

> > > > > > for Taurus lagna Sun is sukhesha (4th lord) and his

> > combining

> > > > with

> > > > > > Bhagyesha (9th lord) in the hse of kutumba and dhana

(2nd)

> > > can't

> > > > be

> > > > > > evil. He could not assail my line argument but he

remained

> > > > > sceptical

> > > > > > about domestic felicity of a female with this

combination.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I think here is a horoscope where only overall estimate

can

> > > lead

> > > > us

> > > > > > to resolving the dichotomy between functional and

natural

> > roles

> > > > of

> > > > > > planets. Now of course we have the complete chart or

data

> > > > therefor.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Some of the apprehensions this combination can raise in

> > > > > astrological

> > > > > > minds are: Will such a female native enjoy domestic

> > felicity?

> > > > Will

> > > > > > she be a cementing factor or disruptive factor in the in-

> > laws

> > > > > family

> > > > > > after she gets married. What is her mangayla quotient

with

> > Ju

> > > in

> > > > > 9th

> > > > > > aspecting lagna lord and 5th lord and forming Gajakesari

> > Yoga?

> > > > Is

> > > > > > her MQ low because of the nodal axis along 2nd-8th

despite

> > Ju

> > > > > > aspecting lagna, forming the GK yoga from Moon, and

taking

> > > > trinal

> > > > > > care of the horoscope (aspecting 5th, 5th lord,

tenanting

> > 9th,

> > > > and

> > > > > > aspecting lagna).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If Ju 8th lordship sullies the planet thus robbing it of

> its

> > > > > natural

> > > > > > benefic power, then Saturn's 9th plus 10th lordship

imbues

> > it

> > > > with

> > > > > > great beneficence, which in the company of lord of

sukha

> > > > sthhana

> > > > > > Sun, can only redound to happiness and luck. And since

it

> is

> > in

> > > > the

> > > > > > 2nd hse, it will redound to prosperity post-marriage.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Let's demolish these arguments.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > For example, like this: Ketu, the fiery catalyst, will

in

> > the

> > > > > > company of fiery Sun and airy Sat will dry up the the

> > accrual

> > > > from

> > > > > > the yogas. Ans so on. Is that so?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sincerely,

> > > > > > RK

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- In

, " Sreenadh "

> > > > > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Madhu ji,

> > > > > > > Please hold your prediction! - the chart seems to be

> > wrong!

> > > > > > > RK ji said: " Taurus being the rising sign, the 2nd

hse

> > has

> > > > > > Saturn,

> > > > > > > Sun and Ketu " . That means,

> > > > > > > Lagna = Taurus

> > > > > > > Birth Month = June 15 to July 15 (Since Su is in Ge)

> > > > > > > In Gemini = Sa, Su, and Ke is placed.

> > > > > > > These are the only info he provides. If we consider

Sign

> > and

> > > > > > house

> > > > > > > as one, (hoping that he is not considering some type

of

> > house

> > > > > > system,

> > > > > > > since he never mentioned it), for which year this is

> > > possible.

> > > > Sa

> > > > > > > takes 30 years to complete a cycle. It is in Ta in

1973,

> > > 1974,

> > > > or

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > could be in 1944 or 1945.

> > > > > > > So the birth took place in either: 1942, 1943,1973,

1974

> > in

> > > > the

> > > > > > > month of June of July. But we can not get Ke in Ge in

any

> > of

> > > > > these

> > > > > > > years!!! The closest possibility is 1974 when Ke would

be

> > in

> > > > Ta!

> > > > > > > The Birth date and Time is not provided! What is the

> > point

> > > of

> > > > > > > predicting based on such data?!! Just hold back, get

the

> > > exact

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > data and then only proceed.

> > > > > > > Dear RK ji, consider these points and please

> > > restate/rephrase

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > question. Or am I wrong in understanding the data you

> > > > provided?!

> > > > > > > Love,

> > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ,

VYASAJI

> > > > > > > <vyasatvm@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > RK,

> > > > > > > > You should note that, for Taurus Ascendant, Saturn

is

> > > also

> > > > > > Badhak

> > > > > > > (Obstruction !) .A conjunction between Sun, the 4L of

> > > > Education

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > 9L of Higher Education in 2H (Orally Transmitted

Vidya)

> > > > identical

> > > > > > > with the sign of Mercury, the causative planet of

> > Education

> > > > might

> > > > > > > mean two things

> > > > > > > > ------ The subject is destined to have Higher

> Education

> > > > > > > > ---------There will be minimum two breaks in her

> > > > Educational

> > > > > > > career.

> > > > > > > > It also means

> > > > > > > > -----Subject will indulge in heated conversation

> > (Reason--

> > > -

> > > >

> > > > > > Two

> > > > > > > fiery planets, viz, Sun & Kethu in 2H of speech)

> > > > > > > > ------There will be occassional friction between

Dad

> &

> > > Mom

> > > > > > (Sun &

> > > > > > > Sat representing Mom & Dad are mutual enemies)

> > > > > > > > -------The subject may have to go for litigation

that

> > > last

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > several years(Reasoning---Sun afflicted by Saturn in

2H

> of

> > > > wealth

> > > > > > > aspecting the 8H of court case)

> > > > > > > > ----The native will also incur Dental complaints

> > (Saturn

> > > > > > > afflicted by Sun in 2H of Face) and may have to go for

> > false

> > > > > > dentures

> > > > > > > or implants (kethu , the planet of Disguise, joining

Sun

> &

> > > Sat

> > > > in

> > > > > > 2H)

> > > > > > > > -----There may be some person in her family with

> > Medical

> > > > > > History

> > > > > > > of Cardiac and or/ Paralytic complaints (Reasoning ---

Sun

> > > > rules

> > > > > > > vitality & Saturn saps vitality. These two

> > > > > > > > planets combine in 2H of Family. The conjunction

> > occurs

> > > in

> > > > > 3rd

> > > > > > > sign of the Natural zodiac, that in my personal

studies,

> > is

> > > > found

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > be giving problems with

> > > > > > > > Body Movements.

> > > > > > > > Hope this helps

> > > > > > > > Madhu N Nair

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > arkaydash <arkaydash@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > Dear members,

> > > > > > > > I have come across a chart where the so-called

> subhayoga

> > > > from

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > combining planets also casts a shadow. Taurus being

the

> > > > rising

> > > > > > > sign,

> > > > > > > > the 2nd hse has Saturn, Sun and Ketu. Now to take

Sun

> > and

> > > > > > Saturn,

> > > > > > > > the lordships give us 4th+9th, which is causative of

a

> > good

> > > > > > yoga.

> > > > > > > > But how do Sun and Saturn meld? The question here

is,

> > with

> > > > > > > > such 'naisargika-s', how is the 2nd hse impacted?

> > Adversely

> > > > or

> > > > > > not?

> > > > > > > > How do you see it? This is in an unmarried woman's

> > chart.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > RK

> > > > > > > >

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