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Namaskaar Sri Sreenadh and Sri MadhuAs you are aware that many of our fine astrological texts or their translations/explanations are lost or not easily accessible. I request you and other members to kindly give us a list of the important Kerala Astrology works and whether their hindi or english translations are available. This is likely to help us get these texts and understand more about astrology. Sri Sreenadh, I have already discussed with you that whatever you have written if that can be translated into english, it will be wonderful.

While propogation of Jyotish knowledge is paramount, its preservation must be kept in mind too.Thanks and RegardsBharat

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Dear Bharat ji,

You said:

<SNIP>

> As you are aware that many of our fine astrological texts or their

> translations/explanations are lost or not easily accessible.

> I request you and other members to kindly give us a list of the

> important Kerala Astrology

> works and whether their hindi or english translations are available.

</SNIP>

I can list some the available works, but do not have any idea about

the availability of their Hindi or English translations. It should

also be noted that the texts that are popular in Kerala should not be

necessarily of Kerala origin.

The Kerala stream of astrology is mainly centered around " Varaha

Hora " and its many Vyakhyas, which quotes extensively from Rishi

horas like, Skanda, Garga, Vasishta, Kousika, Sounaka, Parasara etc.

I will give a list of the most popular texts of astrology in Kerala.

(It is not necessary that they are all ancient)

 

1) Varaha Hora

--------------

Numarous Vykhyas for this text are available. Some of them are:

a) Hridya padha by Kaikulangara rama varyar. In Kerala Hridya padha

has become another name for Hora. He quotes Skanda and other Rishis

extensively and mentions many lost Vyakhyas and texts. It is in

Malayalam language. The linguistic ability and knowledge of

Kaikulangara is amazing!

b) Dasadhyayi by Talakkulattu Bhattathiri. It is a vyakhya for the

first 10 chapters of Varaha Hora. It is the classic text for

understanding the prediction strategy to be followed - and is the

bible for Kerala astrologers. It is Vyakhaya in Sanskrit language.

Several Malayalam translations for this text are available in Kerala.

He also quotes from Rishi Horas, though not that much as

Kaikulangara. But for predictive purpose it is valued far more that

Hridya padha.

c) Vivarana Vyakhya by Rudra Varyar - It is a huge Sanskrit Vyakya

of Varaha hora. But not that popular among Kerala astrologers, though

everybody knows about it.

d) There are many more Varaha Hora vyakhyas available like

Apoorvatha Prakasika, Ahoratra Dasadhyayi, Bhasha Dasadhyayi etc.

2) Krishneeyam

--------------

Krishneeyam is a text by Krishnacharya probably of Kerala origin in

or around 15th century. The son of Madhavacharya (author of

Madhaveeyam) wrote a vyakhya called Chatura sundari for this text.

This vyakhya is in Sanskrit. Krishneeyam with Chatura Sundari vyakya

is revered a lot. It is another classic text for understanding the

prediction stratogy to be followed. In this catogory Dasadhyayi and

Chatura Sundari share equal heights.

3) Saravali

-----------

Saravali by Kalyanavarma is considered as an authentic texts, in

line with the teachings of Varaha Hora. And is referenced by all in

matters where the ideas are not discussed in Rishi horas.

4) Prasnamarga

--------------

In horory astrology Prasnamarga stands high. Prasnamarga is an

elaboration of another authentic text 'Prasnanushtana padhati'.

Scholers value these two texts. Prasnamarga is more elaborate and

structured, but 'Prasnanushtana Padhati' is considered more

authentic, may be since it is ancient or because it is a text by a

guru in the tradition before Prasnamarga. It seems that the author of

Prasnamarga (Panakkattu Nambootiri) was disciple of the system taught

by the author of Prasnanushtana padhati. The author of Prasnamarga

says that trying to predict without learning Dasadhayi is like trying

cross the sea without a ship! He requests every astrologer to learn

and memorize Varaha hora and Krishneeyam before proceeding with the

study of Prasnamarga. There are numerous texts available in Kerla

related to Prasna stream of astrology, both in Malayalam and

Sanskrit.

The credit for the creation of Ashtamangala Prasna system (which is

elaborately described in texts like Prasnanushtana padhati,

Prasnamarga etc) goes to Kerala school of astrology. Even today we

can see Ashatamangala Prasnas (popularly known as 'Deva Prasna') in

Temples where scholarly astrolgical discussions quoting all the

available astrological classics purana slokas etc (related to

astrology, vastu, or nimitta) etc goes up to 2 to 15 days, ensuring

the participation of 3 to 10 astrologers!! Before many such who are

scholarly enough to do such exercise (It is a normal thing in

temples), and the popular scholarly astrologer will be busy with such

Deva prasna the year throughout and is highly rewarded. As I

mentioned my another message, many of them are scholarly enough to

quote the whole of Varaha hora, Prasnamargam, Dasadhyayi Vyakhya,

Krishneeyam and many more texts just from memory! They are familiar

with the many vyakhyas of these texts, and has answers to the pros

and cones of astrology, as far as the prediction is concerned. They

usually never say a thing, without quoting the relevant situation.

Usually they never put forward arguments, that are not supported by

astrological classics.

5) Phala deepika, Jataka Parijatam, Brihat Jataka padhati

------------------------

These are all common astrologers handbooks of astrology. Most of the

slokas in these texts and subjects dealt with in are also known to

most of the astrologers. But they seems to be selective in applying

principles dealt especially with in Jataka Parijata. Jataka parijata

is considered as a poetic elaboration (condensation?) of the

techniques dealt with in Varaha Hora, Saravali etc. The author of

Jataka parijata (Vidyanadha soori) says that he is giving a condensed

description of the concepts dealt with in mainly Saravali!

7) Sphujidwaja Yavana Hora, Vridha Yavana Jathakam

------------------

These texts of Yavana stream of astrology is also selectively

studied by the scholars. When they contradict with the views of Arsha

school of thought (of which Mihira is considered a part), Yavana view

is rejected and Arsha view is accepted. May be fore the Arsha school

of thought, it is Mihira that started mixing Arsha and Yavana views.

6) Bhavarta Ratnakaram, Chamatkara chintamani, Sarvartha Chintamani

-

Many value these texts much when coming to Bhava analysis etc.

7) Madhaveeyam, Muhoorta Padavi

-------------------------------

They are considered as the classic texts to be followed in Muhoorta

determination. Muhoorta padavi is later origin but many elaborate

Vyakhyas for this text exists in Malayalam. There are numerous texts

on Muhoorta available in Malayalam and Sanskrit.

8) Brihat Samhita

-----------------

Most of the astrology and omen related slokas in this texts are

biheart to the scholar astrologers of Kerala. They also used to Quote

from Brihat Yoga yatra, Samasa samhita etc. But they are not that

popular. For a Kerala astrologer the word Samhita means Brihat

samhita, and Hora means Varaha hora!

9) Parasara Hora

----------------

This text is used in a selective basis. Only subjects that comes in

the same stream of thought as taught by the Rishis of Arsha school

and Mihira are valued, and the rest is ignored.

10) Sidhata texts (Astronomical calculations)

----------

Oh! They are numerous! But most of them are becoming extinct now a

days with advent of computers etc. But yes, everybody knows about

texts like Pancha sidhatika (of Varaha mihira) etc.

There are many more texts, which may make this list extensive. I

provide the list of other texts another time. In the above list texts

up to No.8 forms the backbone of Kerala school of astrology.

Love,

Sreenadh

 

, " Bharat Hindu

Astrology " <hinduastrology wrote:

>

> Namaskaar Sri Sreenadh and Sri Madhu

>

> As you are aware that many of our fine astrological texts or their

> translations/explanations are lost or not easily accessible. I

request you

> and other members to kindly give us a list of the important Kerala

Astrology

> works and whether their hindi or english translations are available.

>

> This is likely to help us get these texts and understand more about

> astrology. Sri Sreenadh, I have already discussed with you that

whatever you

> have written if that can be translated into english, it will be

wonderful.

>

> While propogation of Jyotish knowledge is paramount, its

preservation must

> be kept in mind too.

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

>

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Dear Shreenadh,

 

It is such an humbling experience to read your mails. Even I thought

that BPHS was the be all and the end all in astrology. U have

mentioned about schools of astrology that are far more ancient than

Parashar. All I can do is open my mouth in amazement at this very

very vaste knowledge.

 

The BT rectification file and the Chandra Hari folder contain such

indepth information that it needs a very keen and intelligent mind

to understand all this.

 

I also admire your immense energy in taking care to respond to

queries in such detail. It is very very easy to ask questions, but

to give satisfying answers is a 100 times more difficult task. I

appreciate the trouble u take with each mail.

 

I also like your sense of humour....and the :):):) and ;););)...and

undertaking the trouble to dig the undertaker, etc., etc.

 

Chandra Hariji, MAdhuji and u could possibly form a trio to explore

various aspects of ancient astrology, the Kerala texts, etc. Most of

this would be overhead transmission for casual visitors of forums

like me. But I could be a happy bystander satisfied to watch the

play unfold and clap if I can occassionally understand something of

the discussions.

 

Once again I would like to wish u the very very best in your

endeavours!!!:-))

 

Love,

Vinita

 

P.S.

Things I am looking forward to are:

1. a fuller explanation of the vyasa signs (remember, there were

some question marks)

2. explanation of dristis

3. BT rectification - other (simpler?) methods.

 

Though I know your views on " imaginary inventions " , rasi dristi,

etc. my personal experience with my own chart (a very small sample,

I know) is that rasi dristi could work to establish relationship

with naisargika (?) karakas in D-9. BT rectification through D-9

chart by studying the trines and 7th house of the spouse's chart

also appears to be uncannily correct - but it may have limited

application for persons who have not married or who have multiple

relationships.

 

 

 

, " Sreenadh "

<sreesog wrote:

>

> Dear Bharat ji,

> You said:

> <SNIP>

> > As you are aware that many of our fine astrological texts or

their

> > translations/explanations are lost or not easily accessible.

> > I request you and other members to kindly give us a list of the

> > important Kerala Astrology

> > works and whether their hindi or english translations are

available.

> </SNIP>

> I can list some the available works, but do not have any idea

about

> the availability of their Hindi or English translations. It should

> also be noted that the texts that are popular in Kerala should not

be

> necessarily of Kerala origin.

> The Kerala stream of astrology is mainly centered around " Varaha

> Hora " and its many Vyakhyas, which quotes extensively from Rishi

> horas like, Skanda, Garga, Vasishta, Kousika, Sounaka, Parasara

etc.

> I will give a list of the most popular texts of astrology in

Kerala.

> (It is not necessary that they are all ancient)

>

> 1) Varaha Hora

> --------------

> Numarous Vykhyas for this text are available. Some of them are:

> a) Hridya padha by Kaikulangara rama varyar. In Kerala Hridya

padha

> has become another name for Hora. He quotes Skanda and other

Rishis

> extensively and mentions many lost Vyakhyas and texts. It is in

> Malayalam language. The linguistic ability and knowledge of

> Kaikulangara is amazing!

> b) Dasadhyayi by Talakkulattu Bhattathiri. It is a vyakhya for

the

> first 10 chapters of Varaha Hora. It is the classic text for

> understanding the prediction strategy to be followed - and is the

> bible for Kerala astrologers. It is Vyakhaya in Sanskrit language.

> Several Malayalam translations for this text are available in

Kerala.

> He also quotes from Rishi Horas, though not that much as

> Kaikulangara. But for predictive purpose it is valued far more

that

> Hridya padha.

> c) Vivarana Vyakhya by Rudra Varyar - It is a huge Sanskrit

Vyakya

> of Varaha hora. But not that popular among Kerala astrologers,

though

> everybody knows about it.

> d) There are many more Varaha Hora vyakhyas available like

> Apoorvatha Prakasika, Ahoratra Dasadhyayi, Bhasha Dasadhyayi etc.

> 2) Krishneeyam

> --------------

> Krishneeyam is a text by Krishnacharya probably of Kerala origin

in

> or around 15th century. The son of Madhavacharya (author of

> Madhaveeyam) wrote a vyakhya called Chatura sundari for this text.

> This vyakhya is in Sanskrit. Krishneeyam with Chatura Sundari

vyakya

> is revered a lot. It is another classic text for understanding the

> prediction stratogy to be followed. In this catogory Dasadhyayi

and

> Chatura Sundari share equal heights.

> 3) Saravali

> -----------

> Saravali by Kalyanavarma is considered as an authentic texts, in

> line with the teachings of Varaha Hora. And is referenced by all

in

> matters where the ideas are not discussed in Rishi horas.

> 4) Prasnamarga

> --------------

> In horory astrology Prasnamarga stands high. Prasnamarga is an

> elaboration of another authentic text 'Prasnanushtana padhati'.

> Scholers value these two texts. Prasnamarga is more elaborate and

> structured, but 'Prasnanushtana Padhati' is considered more

> authentic, may be since it is ancient or because it is a text by a

> guru in the tradition before Prasnamarga. It seems that the author

of

> Prasnamarga (Panakkattu Nambootiri) was disciple of the system

taught

> by the author of Prasnanushtana padhati. The author of Prasnamarga

> says that trying to predict without learning Dasadhayi is like

trying

> cross the sea without a ship! He requests every astrologer to

learn

> and memorize Varaha hora and Krishneeyam before proceeding with

the

> study of Prasnamarga. There are numerous texts available in Kerla

> related to Prasna stream of astrology, both in Malayalam and

> Sanskrit.

> The credit for the creation of Ashtamangala Prasna system (which

is

> elaborately described in texts like Prasnanushtana padhati,

> Prasnamarga etc) goes to Kerala school of astrology. Even today we

> can see Ashatamangala Prasnas (popularly known as 'Deva Prasna')

in

> Temples where scholarly astrolgical discussions quoting all the

> available astrological classics purana slokas etc (related to

> astrology, vastu, or nimitta) etc goes up to 2 to 15 days,

ensuring

> the participation of 3 to 10 astrologers!! Before many such who

are

> scholarly enough to do such exercise (It is a normal thing in

> temples), and the popular scholarly astrologer will be busy with

such

> Deva prasna the year throughout and is highly rewarded. As I

> mentioned my another message, many of them are scholarly enough to

> quote the whole of Varaha hora, Prasnamargam, Dasadhyayi Vyakhya,

> Krishneeyam and many more texts just from memory! They are

familiar

> with the many vyakhyas of these texts, and has answers to the pros

> and cones of astrology, as far as the prediction is concerned.

They

> usually never say a thing, without quoting the relevant situation.

> Usually they never put forward arguments, that are not supported

by

> astrological classics.

> 5) Phala deepika, Jataka Parijatam, Brihat Jataka padhati

> ------------------------

> These are all common astrologers handbooks of astrology. Most of

the

> slokas in these texts and subjects dealt with in are also known to

> most of the astrologers. But they seems to be selective in

applying

> principles dealt especially with in Jataka Parijata. Jataka

parijata

> is considered as a poetic elaboration (condensation?) of the

> techniques dealt with in Varaha Hora, Saravali etc. The author of

> Jataka parijata (Vidyanadha soori) says that he is giving a

condensed

> description of the concepts dealt with in mainly Saravali!

> 7) Sphujidwaja Yavana Hora, Vridha Yavana Jathakam

> ------------------

> These texts of Yavana stream of astrology is also selectively

> studied by the scholars. When they contradict with the views of

Arsha

> school of thought (of which Mihira is considered a part), Yavana

view

> is rejected and Arsha view is accepted. May be fore the Arsha

school

> of thought, it is Mihira that started mixing Arsha and Yavana

views.

> 6) Bhavarta Ratnakaram, Chamatkara chintamani, Sarvartha

Chintamani

>

-

> Many value these texts much when coming to Bhava analysis etc.

> 7) Madhaveeyam, Muhoorta Padavi

> -------------------------------

> They are considered as the classic texts to be followed in

Muhoorta

> determination. Muhoorta padavi is later origin but many elaborate

> Vyakhyas for this text exists in Malayalam. There are numerous

texts

> on Muhoorta available in Malayalam and Sanskrit.

> 8) Brihat Samhita

> -----------------

> Most of the astrology and omen related slokas in this texts are

> biheart to the scholar astrologers of Kerala. They also used to

Quote

> from Brihat Yoga yatra, Samasa samhita etc. But they are not that

> popular. For a Kerala astrologer the word Samhita means Brihat

> samhita, and Hora means Varaha hora!

> 9) Parasara Hora

> ----------------

> This text is used in a selective basis. Only subjects that comes

in

> the same stream of thought as taught by the Rishis of Arsha school

> and Mihira are valued, and the rest is ignored.

> 10) Sidhata texts (Astronomical calculations)

> ----------

> Oh! They are numerous! But most of them are becoming extinct now

a

> days with advent of computers etc. But yes, everybody knows about

> texts like Pancha sidhatika (of Varaha mihira) etc.

> There are many more texts, which may make this list extensive. I

> provide the list of other texts another time. In the above list

texts

> up to No.8 forms the backbone of Kerala school of astrology.

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> , " Bharat Hindu

> Astrology " <hinduastrology@> wrote:

> >

> > Namaskaar Sri Sreenadh and Sri Madhu

> >

> > As you are aware that many of our fine astrological texts or

their

> > translations/explanations are lost or not easily accessible. I

> request you

> > and other members to kindly give us a list of the important

Kerala

> Astrology

> > works and whether their hindi or english translations are

available.

> >

> > This is likely to help us get these texts and understand more

about

> > astrology. Sri Sreenadh, I have already discussed with you that

> whatever you

> > have written if that can be translated into english, it will be

> wonderful.

> >

> > While propogation of Jyotish knowledge is paramount, its

> preservation must

> > be kept in mind too.

> >

> > Thanks and Regards

> > Bharat

> >

>

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Dear Vinita ji,

<SNIP>

> Chandra Hariji, MAdhuji and u could possibly form a trio to explore

> various aspects of ancient astrology, the Kerala texts, etc.

<SNIP>

It is not just the trine, but a chain initiating chain reaction. ;)

Many more who are more knowledgeable than us becoming part of this

enthusiastic effort to search into the depths of ancient Indian

astrological system and bring out new theoretical, logical, practical

and experimental info. :) Yes, you, Pandit ji, Srinivas ji etc had

already become a part of it. ;) And all our friends who share the

knowledge with us, they can not escape un influenced. :)) And that

why it is called knowledge sharing, right?! :)

But we are not waiting for a single explosion, but multiple

explosions happening at irregular intervals. ;) For example look at

the books like True Ayanamsa, Rasichakram, Hindu Zodiac etc by

Chandrahari (You might have found some chapters of the book 'Hindu

Zodiac' in the Chandrahari folder); and books like 'Deva

Preseananushtana Pradeepam', under preparation books like 'Rishi Hora

Samuchayam' by me; etc. Actually we would be much happy if other

unique explosions like PVR's JH 7.0 software, K N Rao ji efforts, S

Rath's Efforts etc are sharing energy with it. But alas! It is not

happening for some reason, even though we welcome it. But, yes, for

sure we are against imaginary inventions. :) But yes, the energy

sharing happens or not you can expect explosions at irregular

intervals - because we have much pure U235 in stoke. ;) And a vast

area for collecting raw material (i.e. Vedic literature, Tantric

literature, Epics and Puranas, Palm leaf texts available in Kerala

and Tamilnadu, Grndha lipi texts, Vast collection of Kerala and Tamil

texts on astrology etc etc) and expertise (Living encyclopedias of

astrology in Kerala, and friends all over the world who are truly

interested in astrology related research). So don't limit it to

trine, it is not a trine anymore but just the tail of the lion (the

vast number of vibrant individuals who really want to do real

research and express their true opinion). :)

<SNIP>

> 1. a fuller explanation of the vyasa signs (remember, there were

> some question marks)

> 2. explanation of dristis

> 3. BT rectification - other (simpler?) methods.

<SNIP>

1 - Yes, It was just want of time. Let me see today evening I could

find time for a detailed reply on the same or not.

2 - I don't have much in store. But we will try we can find

something or not. I am no authority on the same - we should make it a

collective effort.

3 - Simpler?! :)) Why we are always want things to be simple?

Instead of being simple or complex, I am just in search to find out

the real and authentic views of saints I feel. :) You want things to

be simple - but at the same time wants it to be correct always! Is it

possible always? [Newton's formulas were simple, but not correct

always. Then those Schrödinger's equations and Einstein's concepts

came, which were complex but accurate!] But BT rectification efforts

are concerned Simple or Complex it does not seems to be correct

enough to pinpoint correct BT when it is known and not given. It is

an area that needs more research - and the first step should be to

learn and understand the already available methods and understand

their merits and de-merits. :) That is the path of true research.

<SNIP>

> Though I know your views on " imaginary inventions " , rasi dristi,

> etc. my personal experience with my own chart (a very small sample,

> I know) is that rasi dristi could work to establish relationship

> with naisargika (?) karakas in D-9. BT rectification through D-9

> chart by studying the trines and 7th house of the spouse's chart

> also appears to be uncannily correct - but it may have limited

> application for persons who have not married or who have multiple

> relationships.

</SNIP>

Point noted. :) Thank you for the information shared. But some

passing thoughts - There is not even a single sloka available that

ask us to or use the concept of Drishti in D-charts (I hate the word

D-Charts, since the Rishis talked only about Vargas and no Varga

charts or D-Charts). " Spouse by Navamsa Varga (Rx9) " - yes I know it

is concept taught by Parasara. " Rasi Drishti " - Is it a concept

taught by Jaimini or Parasara? Forgive my ignorance. But yes, what

you shared in genuine info I could see. Such genuine efforts always

aid research. Thanks for that.

Love,

Sreenadh

 

 

, " vinita kumar "

<shankar_mamta wrote:

>

> Dear Shreenadh,

>

> It is such an humbling experience to read your mails. Even I

thought

> that BPHS was the be all and the end all in astrology. U have

> mentioned about schools of astrology that are far more ancient than

> Parashar. All I can do is open my mouth in amazement at this very

> very vaste knowledge.

>

> The BT rectification file and the Chandra Hari folder contain such

> indepth information that it needs a very keen and intelligent mind

> to understand all this.

>

> I also admire your immense energy in taking care to respond to

> queries in such detail. It is very very easy to ask questions, but

> to give satisfying answers is a 100 times more difficult task. I

> appreciate the trouble u take with each mail.

>

> I also like your sense of humour....and the :):):) and ;););)...and

> undertaking the trouble to dig the undertaker, etc., etc.

>

> Chandra Hariji, MAdhuji and u could possibly form a trio to explore

> various aspects of ancient astrology, the Kerala texts, etc. Most

of

> this would be overhead transmission for casual visitors of forums

> like me. But I could be a happy bystander satisfied to watch the

> play unfold and clap if I can occassionally understand something of

> the discussions.

>

> Once again I would like to wish u the very very best in your

> endeavours!!!:-))

>

> Love,

> Vinita

>

> P.S.

> Things I am looking forward to are:

> 1. a fuller explanation of the vyasa signs (remember, there were

> some question marks)

> 2. explanation of dristis

> 3. BT rectification - other (simpler?) methods.

>

> Though I know your views on " imaginary inventions " , rasi dristi,

> etc. my personal experience with my own chart (a very small sample,

> I know) is that rasi dristi could work to establish relationship

> with naisargika (?) karakas in D-9. BT rectification through D-9

> chart by studying the trines and 7th house of the spouse's chart

> also appears to be uncannily correct - but it may have limited

> application for persons who have not married or who have multiple

> relationships.

>

>

>

> , " Sreenadh "

> <sreesog@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bharat ji,

> > You said:

> > <SNIP>

> > > As you are aware that many of our fine astrological texts or

> their

> > > translations/explanations are lost or not easily accessible.

> > > I request you and other members to kindly give us a list of the

> > > important Kerala Astrology

> > > works and whether their hindi or english translations are

> available.

> > </SNIP>

> > I can list some the available works, but do not have any idea

> about

> > the availability of their Hindi or English translations. It

should

> > also be noted that the texts that are popular in Kerala should

not

> be

> > necessarily of Kerala origin.

> > The Kerala stream of astrology is mainly centered around " Varaha

> > Hora " and its many Vyakhyas, which quotes extensively from Rishi

> > horas like, Skanda, Garga, Vasishta, Kousika, Sounaka, Parasara

> etc.

> > I will give a list of the most popular texts of astrology in

> Kerala.

> > (It is not necessary that they are all ancient)

> >

> > 1) Varaha Hora

> > --------------

> > Numarous Vykhyas for this text are available. Some of them are:

> > a) Hridya padha by Kaikulangara rama varyar. In Kerala Hridya

> padha

> > has become another name for Hora. He quotes Skanda and other

> Rishis

> > extensively and mentions many lost Vyakhyas and texts. It is in

> > Malayalam language. The linguistic ability and knowledge of

> > Kaikulangara is amazing!

> > b) Dasadhyayi by Talakkulattu Bhattathiri. It is a vyakhya for

> the

> > first 10 chapters of Varaha Hora. It is the classic text for

> > understanding the prediction strategy to be followed - and is the

> > bible for Kerala astrologers. It is Vyakhaya in Sanskrit

language.

> > Several Malayalam translations for this text are available in

> Kerala.

> > He also quotes from Rishi Horas, though not that much as

> > Kaikulangara. But for predictive purpose it is valued far more

> that

> > Hridya padha.

> > c) Vivarana Vyakhya by Rudra Varyar - It is a huge Sanskrit

> Vyakya

> > of Varaha hora. But not that popular among Kerala astrologers,

> though

> > everybody knows about it.

> > d) There are many more Varaha Hora vyakhyas available like

> > Apoorvatha Prakasika, Ahoratra Dasadhyayi, Bhasha Dasadhyayi etc.

> > 2) Krishneeyam

> > --------------

> > Krishneeyam is a text by Krishnacharya probably of Kerala origin

> in

> > or around 15th century. The son of Madhavacharya (author of

> > Madhaveeyam) wrote a vyakhya called Chatura sundari for this

text.

> > This vyakhya is in Sanskrit. Krishneeyam with Chatura Sundari

> vyakya

> > is revered a lot. It is another classic text for understanding

the

> > prediction stratogy to be followed. In this catogory Dasadhyayi

> and

> > Chatura Sundari share equal heights.

> > 3) Saravali

> > -----------

> > Saravali by Kalyanavarma is considered as an authentic texts, in

> > line with the teachings of Varaha Hora. And is referenced by all

> in

> > matters where the ideas are not discussed in Rishi horas.

> > 4) Prasnamarga

> > --------------

> > In horory astrology Prasnamarga stands high. Prasnamarga is an

> > elaboration of another authentic text 'Prasnanushtana padhati'.

> > Scholers value these two texts. Prasnamarga is more elaborate and

> > structured, but 'Prasnanushtana Padhati' is considered more

> > authentic, may be since it is ancient or because it is a text by

a

> > guru in the tradition before Prasnamarga. It seems that the

author

> of

> > Prasnamarga (Panakkattu Nambootiri) was disciple of the system

> taught

> > by the author of Prasnanushtana padhati. The author of

Prasnamarga

> > says that trying to predict without learning Dasadhayi is like

> trying

> > cross the sea without a ship! He requests every astrologer to

> learn

> > and memorize Varaha hora and Krishneeyam before proceeding with

> the

> > study of Prasnamarga. There are numerous texts available in Kerla

> > related to Prasna stream of astrology, both in Malayalam and

> > Sanskrit.

> > The credit for the creation of Ashtamangala Prasna system

(which

> is

> > elaborately described in texts like Prasnanushtana padhati,

> > Prasnamarga etc) goes to Kerala school of astrology. Even today

we

> > can see Ashatamangala Prasnas (popularly known as 'Deva Prasna')

> in

> > Temples where scholarly astrolgical discussions quoting all the

> > available astrological classics purana slokas etc (related to

> > astrology, vastu, or nimitta) etc goes up to 2 to 15 days,

> ensuring

> > the participation of 3 to 10 astrologers!! Before many such who

> are

> > scholarly enough to do such exercise (It is a normal thing in

> > temples), and the popular scholarly astrologer will be busy with

> such

> > Deva prasna the year throughout and is highly rewarded. As I

> > mentioned my another message, many of them are scholarly enough

to

> > quote the whole of Varaha hora, Prasnamargam, Dasadhyayi Vyakhya,

> > Krishneeyam and many more texts just from memory! They are

> familiar

> > with the many vyakhyas of these texts, and has answers to the

pros

> > and cones of astrology, as far as the prediction is concerned.

> They

> > usually never say a thing, without quoting the relevant

situation.

> > Usually they never put forward arguments, that are not supported

> by

> > astrological classics.

> > 5) Phala deepika, Jataka Parijatam, Brihat Jataka padhati

> > ------------------------

> > These are all common astrologers handbooks of astrology. Most of

> the

> > slokas in these texts and subjects dealt with in are also known

to

> > most of the astrologers. But they seems to be selective in

> applying

> > principles dealt especially with in Jataka Parijata. Jataka

> parijata

> > is considered as a poetic elaboration (condensation?) of the

> > techniques dealt with in Varaha Hora, Saravali etc. The author of

> > Jataka parijata (Vidyanadha soori) says that he is giving a

> condensed

> > description of the concepts dealt with in mainly Saravali!

> > 7) Sphujidwaja Yavana Hora, Vridha Yavana Jathakam

> > ------------------

> > These texts of Yavana stream of astrology is also selectively

> > studied by the scholars. When they contradict with the views of

> Arsha

> > school of thought (of which Mihira is considered a part), Yavana

> view

> > is rejected and Arsha view is accepted. May be fore the Arsha

> school

> > of thought, it is Mihira that started mixing Arsha and Yavana

> views.

> > 6) Bhavarta Ratnakaram, Chamatkara chintamani, Sarvartha

> Chintamani

> > --------------------------------

-

> -

> > Many value these texts much when coming to Bhava analysis etc.

> > 7) Madhaveeyam, Muhoorta Padavi

> > -------------------------------

> > They are considered as the classic texts to be followed in

> Muhoorta

> > determination. Muhoorta padavi is later origin but many elaborate

> > Vyakhyas for this text exists in Malayalam. There are numerous

> texts

> > on Muhoorta available in Malayalam and Sanskrit.

> > 8) Brihat Samhita

> > -----------------

> > Most of the astrology and omen related slokas in this texts are

> > biheart to the scholar astrologers of Kerala. They also used to

> Quote

> > from Brihat Yoga yatra, Samasa samhita etc. But they are not that

> > popular. For a Kerala astrologer the word Samhita means Brihat

> > samhita, and Hora means Varaha hora!

> > 9) Parasara Hora

> > ----------------

> > This text is used in a selective basis. Only subjects that comes

> in

> > the same stream of thought as taught by the Rishis of Arsha

school

> > and Mihira are valued, and the rest is ignored.

> > 10) Sidhata texts (Astronomical calculations)

> > ----------

> > Oh! They are numerous! But most of them are becoming extinct now

> a

> > days with advent of computers etc. But yes, everybody knows about

> > texts like Pancha sidhatika (of Varaha mihira) etc.

> > There are many more texts, which may make this list extensive. I

> > provide the list of other texts another time. In the above list

> texts

> > up to No.8 forms the backbone of Kerala school of astrology.

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > , " Bharat Hindu

> > Astrology " <hinduastrology@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaskaar Sri Sreenadh and Sri Madhu

> > >

> > > As you are aware that many of our fine astrological texts or

> their

> > > translations/explanations are lost or not easily accessible. I

> > request you

> > > and other members to kindly give us a list of the important

> Kerala

> > Astrology

> > > works and whether their hindi or english translations are

> available.

> > >

> > > This is likely to help us get these texts and understand more

> about

> > > astrology. Sri Sreenadh, I have already discussed with you that

> > whatever you

> > > have written if that can be translated into english, it will be

> > wonderful.

> > >

> > > While propogation of Jyotish knowledge is paramount, its

> > preservation must

> > > be kept in mind too.

> > >

> > > Thanks and Regards

> > > Bharat

> > >

> >

>

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Dear Vinita ji,

I had given you the word that in a message I will explain the logic

of Vasya signs to you in little more detail. It was pending for long,

I thought I should finish it off today. But due to want of time I am

making it short.

The rules that are considered for determining Vasya signs

--

1) Signs owned by planets with same bhootatipatya, are vasya

signs to each other. But if two signs are owned by the same planet,

then this rule is applicable only if that sign is the first one of

those two (starting from Aries), or if the sign is the Moolatrikona

sign. (For Sun and Moon Bhootathipatya is not assigned)

2) If the lord of the sign is debilitated in some sign, then

that sign could be a vasya sign to the first. This rule is applicable

only to the sign that is second (if 2 sings are owned by the same

planet) starting from Aries. Or to the sign that is not moolatrikona

for any planet.

3) The signs which are the swakshetra of the same planet are

vasya signs to each other. But if two signs are owned by the same

planet, then this rule is applicable only if that sign is the first

one of those two (starting from Aries).

4) If a planet is exalted in the considered sign, the sign owned

by that exalted planet could be a vasya sign. But this rule is

applicable only if the sign owned by the exalted planet comes as 3rd,

4th, or 6th of the considered sign.

5) If a planet is debilitated in the considered sign, then the

signs owned by that planet could be vasya signs. But this rule is

applicable, only if the sign owned by the debilitated planet comes as

3rd, 4th, or 6th of the considered sign.

These are the only five rules that are considered for Vasya signs –

it seems. Let us consider each sign and apply these rule and see what

is the result we get.

For -

Aries

------

(1) Le, Sc

(2) -

(3) Sc

(4) –

(5) –

Therefore Le and Sc are considered as Vasya signs for Ar.

Taurus

--------

(1) Cn, Li

(2) -

(3) Li

(4) Cn

(5) –

Therefore Cn and Li are considered as Vasya signs for Ta

 

Gemini

----------

(1) Vi

(2) -

(3) Vi

(4) -

(5) –

Therefore Vi is considered as Vasya signs for Ge.

Cancer

--------

(1) Ta, Li

(2) Sc

(3) -

(4) Sg

(5) –

Therefore Sc and Sg are considered as Vasya signs for Cn. The signs

indicated by the first rule is ignored since Bhootathipatya is not

assigned to Mo, i.e. lord of Cn.

Leo

-----

(6) Ar, Sc

(7) Li

(8) -

(9) -

(10) –

Therefore Li is considered as Vasya signs for Le. The signs indicated

by the first rule is ignored since Bhootathipatya is not assigned to

Su, i.e. lord of Le.

 

It is too much typing and so I make it short for the remaining signs.

For Virgo – we get, as per rule 1, Ge ; and as per rule 2 Pi;

remaining gives blank. So Ge and Pi are vasya signs for Vi.

For Li –We get as per rule 2, Vi ; and as per rule 4, Cp; remaining

gives blank. So Vi and Cp are vasya signs for Li.

For Sc – We get, as per rule 2, Cn ; remaining gives blank.

Therefore, Cn is the vasya sign for Sc.

For Sg – We get, as per rule 1, Pi; and as per rule 3 Pi ; remaining

gives blank. Therefore Pi is the vasya sign for Sg.

For Cp – We get, as per rule 1, Aq; and as per rule 3 Aq; and as per

rule 4 Ar ; remaining gives blank. Therefore Aq and Ar are vasya

sings for Cp.

For Aq – We get, as per rule 2 Ar ; remaining gives blank. Therefore

Ar is the vasya sign for Aq.

For Pi – We get, as per rule 2 Co; ; remaining gives blank. Therefore

Cp is the vasya sign for Pi.

 

Dear Vinita ji, ponder and don't ask me to explain, I am tired and it

is too much typing. :( The pending promise worried me and that is

why I finished it off today. This is just the result of exercising my

own brain, and cant be sure that it was the original logic employed

by the Rishis. But this logic gives, proper signs as vasya rasis we

could see. If you find it not sufficient make your own amendments and

use it. Phew….!! I won't dare to talk about Vasya signs for long! It

is tiring!

Love,

Sreenadh

 

, " vinita kumar "

<shankar_mamta wrote:

>

> Dear Shreenadh,

>

> It is such an humbling experience to read your mails. Even I

thought

> that BPHS was the be all and the end all in astrology. U have

> mentioned about schools of astrology that are far more ancient than

> Parashar. All I can do is open my mouth in amazement at this very

> very vaste knowledge.

>

> The BT rectification file and the Chandra Hari folder contain such

> indepth information that it needs a very keen and intelligent mind

> to understand all this.

>

> I also admire your immense energy in taking care to respond to

> queries in such detail. It is very very easy to ask questions, but

> to give satisfying answers is a 100 times more difficult task. I

> appreciate the trouble u take with each mail.

>

> I also like your sense of humour....and the :):):) and ;););)...and

> undertaking the trouble to dig the undertaker, etc., etc.

>

> Chandra Hariji, MAdhuji and u could possibly form a trio to explore

> various aspects of ancient astrology, the Kerala texts, etc. Most

of

> this would be overhead transmission for casual visitors of forums

> like me. But I could be a happy bystander satisfied to watch the

> play unfold and clap if I can occassionally understand something of

> the discussions.

>

> Once again I would like to wish u the very very best in your

> endeavours!!!:-))

>

> Love,

> Vinita

>

> P.S.

> Things I am looking forward to are:

> 1. a fuller explanation of the vyasa signs (remember, there were

> some question marks)

> 2. explanation of dristis

> 3. BT rectification - other (simpler?) methods.

>

> Though I know your views on " imaginary inventions " , rasi dristi,

> etc. my personal experience with my own chart (a very small sample,

> I know) is that rasi dristi could work to establish relationship

> with naisargika (?) karakas in D-9. BT rectification through D-9

> chart by studying the trines and 7th house of the spouse's chart

> also appears to be uncannily correct - but it may have limited

> application for persons who have not married or who have multiple

> relationships.

>

>

>

> , " Sreenadh "

> <sreesog@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bharat ji,

> > You said:

> > <SNIP>

> > > As you are aware that many of our fine astrological texts or

> their

> > > translations/explanations are lost or not easily accessible.

> > > I request you and other members to kindly give us a list of the

> > > important Kerala Astrology

> > > works and whether their hindi or english translations are

> available.

> > </SNIP>

> > I can list some the available works, but do not have any idea

> about

> > the availability of their Hindi or English translations. It

should

> > also be noted that the texts that are popular in Kerala should

not

> be

> > necessarily of Kerala origin.

> > The Kerala stream of astrology is mainly centered around " Varaha

> > Hora " and its many Vyakhyas, which quotes extensively from Rishi

> > horas like, Skanda, Garga, Vasishta, Kousika, Sounaka, Parasara

> etc.

> > I will give a list of the most popular texts of astrology in

> Kerala.

> > (It is not necessary that they are all ancient)

> >

> > 1) Varaha Hora

> > --------------

> > Numarous Vykhyas for this text are available. Some of them are:

> > a) Hridya padha by Kaikulangara rama varyar. In Kerala Hridya

> padha

> > has become another name for Hora. He quotes Skanda and other

> Rishis

> > extensively and mentions many lost Vyakhyas and texts. It is in

> > Malayalam language. The linguistic ability and knowledge of

> > Kaikulangara is amazing!

> > b) Dasadhyayi by Talakkulattu Bhattathiri. It is a vyakhya for

> the

> > first 10 chapters of Varaha Hora. It is the classic text for

> > understanding the prediction strategy to be followed - and is the

> > bible for Kerala astrologers. It is Vyakhaya in Sanskrit

language.

> > Several Malayalam translations for this text are available in

> Kerala.

> > He also quotes from Rishi Horas, though not that much as

> > Kaikulangara. But for predictive purpose it is valued far more

> that

> > Hridya padha.

> > c) Vivarana Vyakhya by Rudra Varyar - It is a huge Sanskrit

> Vyakya

> > of Varaha hora. But not that popular among Kerala astrologers,

> though

> > everybody knows about it.

> > d) There are many more Varaha Hora vyakhyas available like

> > Apoorvatha Prakasika, Ahoratra Dasadhyayi, Bhasha Dasadhyayi etc.

> > 2) Krishneeyam

> > --------------

> > Krishneeyam is a text by Krishnacharya probably of Kerala origin

> in

> > or around 15th century. The son of Madhavacharya (author of

> > Madhaveeyam) wrote a vyakhya called Chatura sundari for this

text.

> > This vyakhya is in Sanskrit. Krishneeyam with Chatura Sundari

> vyakya

> > is revered a lot. It is another classic text for understanding

the

> > prediction stratogy to be followed. In this catogory Dasadhyayi

> and

> > Chatura Sundari share equal heights.

> > 3) Saravali

> > -----------

> > Saravali by Kalyanavarma is considered as an authentic texts, in

> > line with the teachings of Varaha Hora. And is referenced by all

> in

> > matters where the ideas are not discussed in Rishi horas.

> > 4) Prasnamarga

> > --------------

> > In horory astrology Prasnamarga stands high. Prasnamarga is an

> > elaboration of another authentic text 'Prasnanushtana padhati'.

> > Scholers value these two texts. Prasnamarga is more elaborate and

> > structured, but 'Prasnanushtana Padhati' is considered more

> > authentic, may be since it is ancient or because it is a text by

a

> > guru in the tradition before Prasnamarga. It seems that the

author

> of

> > Prasnamarga (Panakkattu Nambootiri) was disciple of the system

> taught

> > by the author of Prasnanushtana padhati. The author of

Prasnamarga

> > says that trying to predict without learning Dasadhayi is like

> trying

> > cross the sea without a ship! He requests every astrologer to

> learn

> > and memorize Varaha hora and Krishneeyam before proceeding with

> the

> > study of Prasnamarga. There are numerous texts available in Kerla

> > related to Prasna stream of astrology, both in Malayalam and

> > Sanskrit.

> > The credit for the creation of Ashtamangala Prasna system

(which

> is

> > elaborately described in texts like Prasnanushtana padhati,

> > Prasnamarga etc) goes to Kerala school of astrology. Even today

we

> > can see Ashatamangala Prasnas (popularly known as 'Deva Prasna')

> in

> > Temples where scholarly astrolgical discussions quoting all the

> > available astrological classics purana slokas etc (related to

> > astrology, vastu, or nimitta) etc goes up to 2 to 15 days,

> ensuring

> > the participation of 3 to 10 astrologers!! Before many such who

> are

> > scholarly enough to do such exercise (It is a normal thing in

> > temples), and the popular scholarly astrologer will be busy with

> such

> > Deva prasna the year throughout and is highly rewarded. As I

> > mentioned my another message, many of them are scholarly enough

to

> > quote the whole of Varaha hora, Prasnamargam, Dasadhyayi Vyakhya,

> > Krishneeyam and many more texts just from memory! They are

> familiar

> > with the many vyakhyas of these texts, and has answers to the

pros

> > and cones of astrology, as far as the prediction is concerned.

> They

> > usually never say a thing, without quoting the relevant

situation.

> > Usually they never put forward arguments, that are not supported

> by

> > astrological classics.

> > 5) Phala deepika, Jataka Parijatam, Brihat Jataka padhati

> > ------------------------

> > These are all common astrologers handbooks of astrology. Most of

> the

> > slokas in these texts and subjects dealt with in are also known

to

> > most of the astrologers. But they seems to be selective in

> applying

> > principles dealt especially with in Jataka Parijata. Jataka

> parijata

> > is considered as a poetic elaboration (condensation?) of the

> > techniques dealt with in Varaha Hora, Saravali etc. The author of

> > Jataka parijata (Vidyanadha soori) says that he is giving a

> condensed

> > description of the concepts dealt with in mainly Saravali!

> > 7) Sphujidwaja Yavana Hora, Vridha Yavana Jathakam

> > ------------------

> > These texts of Yavana stream of astrology is also selectively

> > studied by the scholars. When they contradict with the views of

> Arsha

> > school of thought (of which Mihira is considered a part), Yavana

> view

> > is rejected and Arsha view is accepted. May be fore the Arsha

> school

> > of thought, it is Mihira that started mixing Arsha and Yavana

> views.

> > 6) Bhavarta Ratnakaram, Chamatkara chintamani, Sarvartha

> Chintamani

> > --------------------------------

-

> -

> > Many value these texts much when coming to Bhava analysis etc.

> > 7) Madhaveeyam, Muhoorta Padavi

> > -------------------------------

> > They are considered as the classic texts to be followed in

> Muhoorta

> > determination. Muhoorta padavi is later origin but many elaborate

> > Vyakhyas for this text exists in Malayalam. There are numerous

> texts

> > on Muhoorta available in Malayalam and Sanskrit.

> > 8) Brihat Samhita

> > -----------------

> > Most of the astrology and omen related slokas in this texts are

> > biheart to the scholar astrologers of Kerala. They also used to

> Quote

> > from Brihat Yoga yatra, Samasa samhita etc. But they are not that

> > popular. For a Kerala astrologer the word Samhita means Brihat

> > samhita, and Hora means Varaha hora!

> > 9) Parasara Hora

> > ----------------

> > This text is used in a selective basis. Only subjects that comes

> in

> > the same stream of thought as taught by the Rishis of Arsha

school

> > and Mihira are valued, and the rest is ignored.

> > 10) Sidhata texts (Astronomical calculations)

> > ----------

> > Oh! They are numerous! But most of them are becoming extinct now

> a

> > days with advent of computers etc. But yes, everybody knows about

> > texts like Pancha sidhatika (of Varaha mihira) etc.

> > There are many more texts, which may make this list extensive. I

> > provide the list of other texts another time. In the above list

> texts

> > up to No.8 forms the backbone of Kerala school of astrology.

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > , " Bharat Hindu

> > Astrology " <hinduastrology@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaskaar Sri Sreenadh and Sri Madhu

> > >

> > > As you are aware that many of our fine astrological texts or

> their

> > > translations/explanations are lost or not easily accessible. I

> > request you

> > > and other members to kindly give us a list of the important

> Kerala

> > Astrology

> > > works and whether their hindi or english translations are

> available.

> > >

> > > This is likely to help us get these texts and understand more

> about

> > > astrology. Sri Sreenadh, I have already discussed with you that

> > whatever you

> > > have written if that can be translated into english, it will be

> > wonderful.

> > >

> > > While propogation of Jyotish knowledge is paramount, its

> > preservation must

> > > be kept in mind too.

> > >

> > > Thanks and Regards

> > > Bharat

> > >

> >

>

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