Guest guest Posted May 10, 2006 Report Share Posted May 10, 2006 Namaskaar Sri Sreenadh and Sri MadhuAs you are aware that many of our fine astrological texts or their translations/explanations are lost or not easily accessible. I request you and other members to kindly give us a list of the important Kerala Astrology works and whether their hindi or english translations are available. This is likely to help us get these texts and understand more about astrology. Sri Sreenadh, I have already discussed with you that whatever you have written if that can be translated into english, it will be wonderful. While propogation of Jyotish knowledge is paramount, its preservation must be kept in mind too.Thanks and RegardsBharat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2006 Report Share Posted May 10, 2006 Dear Bharat ji, You said: <SNIP> > As you are aware that many of our fine astrological texts or their > translations/explanations are lost or not easily accessible. > I request you and other members to kindly give us a list of the > important Kerala Astrology > works and whether their hindi or english translations are available. </SNIP> I can list some the available works, but do not have any idea about the availability of their Hindi or English translations. It should also be noted that the texts that are popular in Kerala should not be necessarily of Kerala origin. The Kerala stream of astrology is mainly centered around " Varaha Hora " and its many Vyakhyas, which quotes extensively from Rishi horas like, Skanda, Garga, Vasishta, Kousika, Sounaka, Parasara etc. I will give a list of the most popular texts of astrology in Kerala. (It is not necessary that they are all ancient) 1) Varaha Hora -------------- Numarous Vykhyas for this text are available. Some of them are: a) Hridya padha by Kaikulangara rama varyar. In Kerala Hridya padha has become another name for Hora. He quotes Skanda and other Rishis extensively and mentions many lost Vyakhyas and texts. It is in Malayalam language. The linguistic ability and knowledge of Kaikulangara is amazing! b) Dasadhyayi by Talakkulattu Bhattathiri. It is a vyakhya for the first 10 chapters of Varaha Hora. It is the classic text for understanding the prediction strategy to be followed - and is the bible for Kerala astrologers. It is Vyakhaya in Sanskrit language. Several Malayalam translations for this text are available in Kerala. He also quotes from Rishi Horas, though not that much as Kaikulangara. But for predictive purpose it is valued far more that Hridya padha. c) Vivarana Vyakhya by Rudra Varyar - It is a huge Sanskrit Vyakya of Varaha hora. But not that popular among Kerala astrologers, though everybody knows about it. d) There are many more Varaha Hora vyakhyas available like Apoorvatha Prakasika, Ahoratra Dasadhyayi, Bhasha Dasadhyayi etc. 2) Krishneeyam -------------- Krishneeyam is a text by Krishnacharya probably of Kerala origin in or around 15th century. The son of Madhavacharya (author of Madhaveeyam) wrote a vyakhya called Chatura sundari for this text. This vyakhya is in Sanskrit. Krishneeyam with Chatura Sundari vyakya is revered a lot. It is another classic text for understanding the prediction stratogy to be followed. In this catogory Dasadhyayi and Chatura Sundari share equal heights. 3) Saravali ----------- Saravali by Kalyanavarma is considered as an authentic texts, in line with the teachings of Varaha Hora. And is referenced by all in matters where the ideas are not discussed in Rishi horas. 4) Prasnamarga -------------- In horory astrology Prasnamarga stands high. Prasnamarga is an elaboration of another authentic text 'Prasnanushtana padhati'. Scholers value these two texts. Prasnamarga is more elaborate and structured, but 'Prasnanushtana Padhati' is considered more authentic, may be since it is ancient or because it is a text by a guru in the tradition before Prasnamarga. It seems that the author of Prasnamarga (Panakkattu Nambootiri) was disciple of the system taught by the author of Prasnanushtana padhati. The author of Prasnamarga says that trying to predict without learning Dasadhayi is like trying cross the sea without a ship! He requests every astrologer to learn and memorize Varaha hora and Krishneeyam before proceeding with the study of Prasnamarga. There are numerous texts available in Kerla related to Prasna stream of astrology, both in Malayalam and Sanskrit. The credit for the creation of Ashtamangala Prasna system (which is elaborately described in texts like Prasnanushtana padhati, Prasnamarga etc) goes to Kerala school of astrology. Even today we can see Ashatamangala Prasnas (popularly known as 'Deva Prasna') in Temples where scholarly astrolgical discussions quoting all the available astrological classics purana slokas etc (related to astrology, vastu, or nimitta) etc goes up to 2 to 15 days, ensuring the participation of 3 to 10 astrologers!! Before many such who are scholarly enough to do such exercise (It is a normal thing in temples), and the popular scholarly astrologer will be busy with such Deva prasna the year throughout and is highly rewarded. As I mentioned my another message, many of them are scholarly enough to quote the whole of Varaha hora, Prasnamargam, Dasadhyayi Vyakhya, Krishneeyam and many more texts just from memory! They are familiar with the many vyakhyas of these texts, and has answers to the pros and cones of astrology, as far as the prediction is concerned. They usually never say a thing, without quoting the relevant situation. Usually they never put forward arguments, that are not supported by astrological classics. 5) Phala deepika, Jataka Parijatam, Brihat Jataka padhati ------------------------ These are all common astrologers handbooks of astrology. Most of the slokas in these texts and subjects dealt with in are also known to most of the astrologers. But they seems to be selective in applying principles dealt especially with in Jataka Parijata. Jataka parijata is considered as a poetic elaboration (condensation?) of the techniques dealt with in Varaha Hora, Saravali etc. The author of Jataka parijata (Vidyanadha soori) says that he is giving a condensed description of the concepts dealt with in mainly Saravali! 7) Sphujidwaja Yavana Hora, Vridha Yavana Jathakam ------------------ These texts of Yavana stream of astrology is also selectively studied by the scholars. When they contradict with the views of Arsha school of thought (of which Mihira is considered a part), Yavana view is rejected and Arsha view is accepted. May be fore the Arsha school of thought, it is Mihira that started mixing Arsha and Yavana views. 6) Bhavarta Ratnakaram, Chamatkara chintamani, Sarvartha Chintamani - Many value these texts much when coming to Bhava analysis etc. 7) Madhaveeyam, Muhoorta Padavi ------------------------------- They are considered as the classic texts to be followed in Muhoorta determination. Muhoorta padavi is later origin but many elaborate Vyakhyas for this text exists in Malayalam. There are numerous texts on Muhoorta available in Malayalam and Sanskrit. 8) Brihat Samhita ----------------- Most of the astrology and omen related slokas in this texts are biheart to the scholar astrologers of Kerala. They also used to Quote from Brihat Yoga yatra, Samasa samhita etc. But they are not that popular. For a Kerala astrologer the word Samhita means Brihat samhita, and Hora means Varaha hora! 9) Parasara Hora ---------------- This text is used in a selective basis. Only subjects that comes in the same stream of thought as taught by the Rishis of Arsha school and Mihira are valued, and the rest is ignored. 10) Sidhata texts (Astronomical calculations) ---------- Oh! They are numerous! But most of them are becoming extinct now a days with advent of computers etc. But yes, everybody knows about texts like Pancha sidhatika (of Varaha mihira) etc. There are many more texts, which may make this list extensive. I provide the list of other texts another time. In the above list texts up to No.8 forms the backbone of Kerala school of astrology. Love, Sreenadh , " Bharat Hindu Astrology " <hinduastrology wrote: > > Namaskaar Sri Sreenadh and Sri Madhu > > As you are aware that many of our fine astrological texts or their > translations/explanations are lost or not easily accessible. I request you > and other members to kindly give us a list of the important Kerala Astrology > works and whether their hindi or english translations are available. > > This is likely to help us get these texts and understand more about > astrology. Sri Sreenadh, I have already discussed with you that whatever you > have written if that can be translated into english, it will be wonderful. > > While propogation of Jyotish knowledge is paramount, its preservation must > be kept in mind too. > > Thanks and Regards > Bharat > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2006 Report Share Posted May 10, 2006 Dear Shreenadh, It is such an humbling experience to read your mails. Even I thought that BPHS was the be all and the end all in astrology. U have mentioned about schools of astrology that are far more ancient than Parashar. All I can do is open my mouth in amazement at this very very vaste knowledge. The BT rectification file and the Chandra Hari folder contain such indepth information that it needs a very keen and intelligent mind to understand all this. I also admire your immense energy in taking care to respond to queries in such detail. It is very very easy to ask questions, but to give satisfying answers is a 100 times more difficult task. I appreciate the trouble u take with each mail. I also like your sense of humour....and the :) and ;)...and undertaking the trouble to dig the undertaker, etc., etc. Chandra Hariji, MAdhuji and u could possibly form a trio to explore various aspects of ancient astrology, the Kerala texts, etc. Most of this would be overhead transmission for casual visitors of forums like me. But I could be a happy bystander satisfied to watch the play unfold and clap if I can occassionally understand something of the discussions. Once again I would like to wish u the very very best in your endeavours!!!:-)) Love, Vinita P.S. Things I am looking forward to are: 1. a fuller explanation of the vyasa signs (remember, there were some question marks) 2. explanation of dristis 3. BT rectification - other (simpler?) methods. Though I know your views on " imaginary inventions " , rasi dristi, etc. my personal experience with my own chart (a very small sample, I know) is that rasi dristi could work to establish relationship with naisargika (?) karakas in D-9. BT rectification through D-9 chart by studying the trines and 7th house of the spouse's chart also appears to be uncannily correct - but it may have limited application for persons who have not married or who have multiple relationships. , " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote: > > Dear Bharat ji, > You said: > <SNIP> > > As you are aware that many of our fine astrological texts or their > > translations/explanations are lost or not easily accessible. > > I request you and other members to kindly give us a list of the > > important Kerala Astrology > > works and whether their hindi or english translations are available. > </SNIP> > I can list some the available works, but do not have any idea about > the availability of their Hindi or English translations. It should > also be noted that the texts that are popular in Kerala should not be > necessarily of Kerala origin. > The Kerala stream of astrology is mainly centered around " Varaha > Hora " and its many Vyakhyas, which quotes extensively from Rishi > horas like, Skanda, Garga, Vasishta, Kousika, Sounaka, Parasara etc. > I will give a list of the most popular texts of astrology in Kerala. > (It is not necessary that they are all ancient) > > 1) Varaha Hora > -------------- > Numarous Vykhyas for this text are available. Some of them are: > a) Hridya padha by Kaikulangara rama varyar. In Kerala Hridya padha > has become another name for Hora. He quotes Skanda and other Rishis > extensively and mentions many lost Vyakhyas and texts. It is in > Malayalam language. The linguistic ability and knowledge of > Kaikulangara is amazing! > b) Dasadhyayi by Talakkulattu Bhattathiri. It is a vyakhya for the > first 10 chapters of Varaha Hora. It is the classic text for > understanding the prediction strategy to be followed - and is the > bible for Kerala astrologers. It is Vyakhaya in Sanskrit language. > Several Malayalam translations for this text are available in Kerala. > He also quotes from Rishi Horas, though not that much as > Kaikulangara. But for predictive purpose it is valued far more that > Hridya padha. > c) Vivarana Vyakhya by Rudra Varyar - It is a huge Sanskrit Vyakya > of Varaha hora. But not that popular among Kerala astrologers, though > everybody knows about it. > d) There are many more Varaha Hora vyakhyas available like > Apoorvatha Prakasika, Ahoratra Dasadhyayi, Bhasha Dasadhyayi etc. > 2) Krishneeyam > -------------- > Krishneeyam is a text by Krishnacharya probably of Kerala origin in > or around 15th century. The son of Madhavacharya (author of > Madhaveeyam) wrote a vyakhya called Chatura sundari for this text. > This vyakhya is in Sanskrit. Krishneeyam with Chatura Sundari vyakya > is revered a lot. It is another classic text for understanding the > prediction stratogy to be followed. In this catogory Dasadhyayi and > Chatura Sundari share equal heights. > 3) Saravali > ----------- > Saravali by Kalyanavarma is considered as an authentic texts, in > line with the teachings of Varaha Hora. And is referenced by all in > matters where the ideas are not discussed in Rishi horas. > 4) Prasnamarga > -------------- > In horory astrology Prasnamarga stands high. Prasnamarga is an > elaboration of another authentic text 'Prasnanushtana padhati'. > Scholers value these two texts. Prasnamarga is more elaborate and > structured, but 'Prasnanushtana Padhati' is considered more > authentic, may be since it is ancient or because it is a text by a > guru in the tradition before Prasnamarga. It seems that the author of > Prasnamarga (Panakkattu Nambootiri) was disciple of the system taught > by the author of Prasnanushtana padhati. The author of Prasnamarga > says that trying to predict without learning Dasadhayi is like trying > cross the sea without a ship! He requests every astrologer to learn > and memorize Varaha hora and Krishneeyam before proceeding with the > study of Prasnamarga. There are numerous texts available in Kerla > related to Prasna stream of astrology, both in Malayalam and > Sanskrit. > The credit for the creation of Ashtamangala Prasna system (which is > elaborately described in texts like Prasnanushtana padhati, > Prasnamarga etc) goes to Kerala school of astrology. Even today we > can see Ashatamangala Prasnas (popularly known as 'Deva Prasna') in > Temples where scholarly astrolgical discussions quoting all the > available astrological classics purana slokas etc (related to > astrology, vastu, or nimitta) etc goes up to 2 to 15 days, ensuring > the participation of 3 to 10 astrologers!! Before many such who are > scholarly enough to do such exercise (It is a normal thing in > temples), and the popular scholarly astrologer will be busy with such > Deva prasna the year throughout and is highly rewarded. As I > mentioned my another message, many of them are scholarly enough to > quote the whole of Varaha hora, Prasnamargam, Dasadhyayi Vyakhya, > Krishneeyam and many more texts just from memory! They are familiar > with the many vyakhyas of these texts, and has answers to the pros > and cones of astrology, as far as the prediction is concerned. They > usually never say a thing, without quoting the relevant situation. > Usually they never put forward arguments, that are not supported by > astrological classics. > 5) Phala deepika, Jataka Parijatam, Brihat Jataka padhati > ------------------------ > These are all common astrologers handbooks of astrology. Most of the > slokas in these texts and subjects dealt with in are also known to > most of the astrologers. But they seems to be selective in applying > principles dealt especially with in Jataka Parijata. Jataka parijata > is considered as a poetic elaboration (condensation?) of the > techniques dealt with in Varaha Hora, Saravali etc. The author of > Jataka parijata (Vidyanadha soori) says that he is giving a condensed > description of the concepts dealt with in mainly Saravali! > 7) Sphujidwaja Yavana Hora, Vridha Yavana Jathakam > ------------------ > These texts of Yavana stream of astrology is also selectively > studied by the scholars. When they contradict with the views of Arsha > school of thought (of which Mihira is considered a part), Yavana view > is rejected and Arsha view is accepted. May be fore the Arsha school > of thought, it is Mihira that started mixing Arsha and Yavana views. > 6) Bhavarta Ratnakaram, Chamatkara chintamani, Sarvartha Chintamani > - > Many value these texts much when coming to Bhava analysis etc. > 7) Madhaveeyam, Muhoorta Padavi > ------------------------------- > They are considered as the classic texts to be followed in Muhoorta > determination. Muhoorta padavi is later origin but many elaborate > Vyakhyas for this text exists in Malayalam. There are numerous texts > on Muhoorta available in Malayalam and Sanskrit. > 8) Brihat Samhita > ----------------- > Most of the astrology and omen related slokas in this texts are > biheart to the scholar astrologers of Kerala. They also used to Quote > from Brihat Yoga yatra, Samasa samhita etc. But they are not that > popular. For a Kerala astrologer the word Samhita means Brihat > samhita, and Hora means Varaha hora! > 9) Parasara Hora > ---------------- > This text is used in a selective basis. Only subjects that comes in > the same stream of thought as taught by the Rishis of Arsha school > and Mihira are valued, and the rest is ignored. > 10) Sidhata texts (Astronomical calculations) > ---------- > Oh! They are numerous! But most of them are becoming extinct now a > days with advent of computers etc. But yes, everybody knows about > texts like Pancha sidhatika (of Varaha mihira) etc. > There are many more texts, which may make this list extensive. I > provide the list of other texts another time. In the above list texts > up to No.8 forms the backbone of Kerala school of astrology. > Love, > Sreenadh > > , " Bharat Hindu > Astrology " <hinduastrology@> wrote: > > > > Namaskaar Sri Sreenadh and Sri Madhu > > > > As you are aware that many of our fine astrological texts or their > > translations/explanations are lost or not easily accessible. I > request you > > and other members to kindly give us a list of the important Kerala > Astrology > > works and whether their hindi or english translations are available. > > > > This is likely to help us get these texts and understand more about > > astrology. Sri Sreenadh, I have already discussed with you that > whatever you > > have written if that can be translated into english, it will be > wonderful. > > > > While propogation of Jyotish knowledge is paramount, its > preservation must > > be kept in mind too. > > > > Thanks and Regards > > Bharat > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2006 Report Share Posted May 11, 2006 Dear Vinita ji, <SNIP> > Chandra Hariji, MAdhuji and u could possibly form a trio to explore > various aspects of ancient astrology, the Kerala texts, etc. <SNIP> It is not just the trine, but a chain initiating chain reaction. Many more who are more knowledgeable than us becoming part of this enthusiastic effort to search into the depths of ancient Indian astrological system and bring out new theoretical, logical, practical and experimental info. Yes, you, Pandit ji, Srinivas ji etc had already become a part of it. And all our friends who share the knowledge with us, they can not escape un influenced. ) And that why it is called knowledge sharing, right?! But we are not waiting for a single explosion, but multiple explosions happening at irregular intervals. For example look at the books like True Ayanamsa, Rasichakram, Hindu Zodiac etc by Chandrahari (You might have found some chapters of the book 'Hindu Zodiac' in the Chandrahari folder); and books like 'Deva Preseananushtana Pradeepam', under preparation books like 'Rishi Hora Samuchayam' by me; etc. Actually we would be much happy if other unique explosions like PVR's JH 7.0 software, K N Rao ji efforts, S Rath's Efforts etc are sharing energy with it. But alas! It is not happening for some reason, even though we welcome it. But, yes, for sure we are against imaginary inventions. But yes, the energy sharing happens or not you can expect explosions at irregular intervals - because we have much pure U235 in stoke. And a vast area for collecting raw material (i.e. Vedic literature, Tantric literature, Epics and Puranas, Palm leaf texts available in Kerala and Tamilnadu, Grndha lipi texts, Vast collection of Kerala and Tamil texts on astrology etc etc) and expertise (Living encyclopedias of astrology in Kerala, and friends all over the world who are truly interested in astrology related research). So don't limit it to trine, it is not a trine anymore but just the tail of the lion (the vast number of vibrant individuals who really want to do real research and express their true opinion). <SNIP> > 1. a fuller explanation of the vyasa signs (remember, there were > some question marks) > 2. explanation of dristis > 3. BT rectification - other (simpler?) methods. <SNIP> 1 - Yes, It was just want of time. Let me see today evening I could find time for a detailed reply on the same or not. 2 - I don't have much in store. But we will try we can find something or not. I am no authority on the same - we should make it a collective effort. 3 - Simpler?! ) Why we are always want things to be simple? Instead of being simple or complex, I am just in search to find out the real and authentic views of saints I feel. You want things to be simple - but at the same time wants it to be correct always! Is it possible always? [Newton's formulas were simple, but not correct always. Then those Schrödinger's equations and Einstein's concepts came, which were complex but accurate!] But BT rectification efforts are concerned Simple or Complex it does not seems to be correct enough to pinpoint correct BT when it is known and not given. It is an area that needs more research - and the first step should be to learn and understand the already available methods and understand their merits and de-merits. That is the path of true research. <SNIP> > Though I know your views on " imaginary inventions " , rasi dristi, > etc. my personal experience with my own chart (a very small sample, > I know) is that rasi dristi could work to establish relationship > with naisargika (?) karakas in D-9. BT rectification through D-9 > chart by studying the trines and 7th house of the spouse's chart > also appears to be uncannily correct - but it may have limited > application for persons who have not married or who have multiple > relationships. </SNIP> Point noted. Thank you for the information shared. But some passing thoughts - There is not even a single sloka available that ask us to or use the concept of Drishti in D-charts (I hate the word D-Charts, since the Rishis talked only about Vargas and no Varga charts or D-Charts). " Spouse by Navamsa Varga (Rx9) " - yes I know it is concept taught by Parasara. " Rasi Drishti " - Is it a concept taught by Jaimini or Parasara? Forgive my ignorance. But yes, what you shared in genuine info I could see. Such genuine efforts always aid research. Thanks for that. Love, Sreenadh , " vinita kumar " <shankar_mamta wrote: > > Dear Shreenadh, > > It is such an humbling experience to read your mails. Even I thought > that BPHS was the be all and the end all in astrology. U have > mentioned about schools of astrology that are far more ancient than > Parashar. All I can do is open my mouth in amazement at this very > very vaste knowledge. > > The BT rectification file and the Chandra Hari folder contain such > indepth information that it needs a very keen and intelligent mind > to understand all this. > > I also admire your immense energy in taking care to respond to > queries in such detail. It is very very easy to ask questions, but > to give satisfying answers is a 100 times more difficult task. I > appreciate the trouble u take with each mail. > > I also like your sense of humour....and the :) and ;)...and > undertaking the trouble to dig the undertaker, etc., etc. > > Chandra Hariji, MAdhuji and u could possibly form a trio to explore > various aspects of ancient astrology, the Kerala texts, etc. Most of > this would be overhead transmission for casual visitors of forums > like me. But I could be a happy bystander satisfied to watch the > play unfold and clap if I can occassionally understand something of > the discussions. > > Once again I would like to wish u the very very best in your > endeavours!!!:-)) > > Love, > Vinita > > P.S. > Things I am looking forward to are: > 1. a fuller explanation of the vyasa signs (remember, there were > some question marks) > 2. explanation of dristis > 3. BT rectification - other (simpler?) methods. > > Though I know your views on " imaginary inventions " , rasi dristi, > etc. my personal experience with my own chart (a very small sample, > I know) is that rasi dristi could work to establish relationship > with naisargika (?) karakas in D-9. BT rectification through D-9 > chart by studying the trines and 7th house of the spouse's chart > also appears to be uncannily correct - but it may have limited > application for persons who have not married or who have multiple > relationships. > > > > , " Sreenadh " > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > Dear Bharat ji, > > You said: > > <SNIP> > > > As you are aware that many of our fine astrological texts or > their > > > translations/explanations are lost or not easily accessible. > > > I request you and other members to kindly give us a list of the > > > important Kerala Astrology > > > works and whether their hindi or english translations are > available. > > </SNIP> > > I can list some the available works, but do not have any idea > about > > the availability of their Hindi or English translations. It should > > also be noted that the texts that are popular in Kerala should not > be > > necessarily of Kerala origin. > > The Kerala stream of astrology is mainly centered around " Varaha > > Hora " and its many Vyakhyas, which quotes extensively from Rishi > > horas like, Skanda, Garga, Vasishta, Kousika, Sounaka, Parasara > etc. > > I will give a list of the most popular texts of astrology in > Kerala. > > (It is not necessary that they are all ancient) > > > > 1) Varaha Hora > > -------------- > > Numarous Vykhyas for this text are available. Some of them are: > > a) Hridya padha by Kaikulangara rama varyar. In Kerala Hridya > padha > > has become another name for Hora. He quotes Skanda and other > Rishis > > extensively and mentions many lost Vyakhyas and texts. It is in > > Malayalam language. The linguistic ability and knowledge of > > Kaikulangara is amazing! > > b) Dasadhyayi by Talakkulattu Bhattathiri. It is a vyakhya for > the > > first 10 chapters of Varaha Hora. It is the classic text for > > understanding the prediction strategy to be followed - and is the > > bible for Kerala astrologers. It is Vyakhaya in Sanskrit language. > > Several Malayalam translations for this text are available in > Kerala. > > He also quotes from Rishi Horas, though not that much as > > Kaikulangara. But for predictive purpose it is valued far more > that > > Hridya padha. > > c) Vivarana Vyakhya by Rudra Varyar - It is a huge Sanskrit > Vyakya > > of Varaha hora. But not that popular among Kerala astrologers, > though > > everybody knows about it. > > d) There are many more Varaha Hora vyakhyas available like > > Apoorvatha Prakasika, Ahoratra Dasadhyayi, Bhasha Dasadhyayi etc. > > 2) Krishneeyam > > -------------- > > Krishneeyam is a text by Krishnacharya probably of Kerala origin > in > > or around 15th century. The son of Madhavacharya (author of > > Madhaveeyam) wrote a vyakhya called Chatura sundari for this text. > > This vyakhya is in Sanskrit. Krishneeyam with Chatura Sundari > vyakya > > is revered a lot. It is another classic text for understanding the > > prediction stratogy to be followed. In this catogory Dasadhyayi > and > > Chatura Sundari share equal heights. > > 3) Saravali > > ----------- > > Saravali by Kalyanavarma is considered as an authentic texts, in > > line with the teachings of Varaha Hora. And is referenced by all > in > > matters where the ideas are not discussed in Rishi horas. > > 4) Prasnamarga > > -------------- > > In horory astrology Prasnamarga stands high. Prasnamarga is an > > elaboration of another authentic text 'Prasnanushtana padhati'. > > Scholers value these two texts. Prasnamarga is more elaborate and > > structured, but 'Prasnanushtana Padhati' is considered more > > authentic, may be since it is ancient or because it is a text by a > > guru in the tradition before Prasnamarga. It seems that the author > of > > Prasnamarga (Panakkattu Nambootiri) was disciple of the system > taught > > by the author of Prasnanushtana padhati. The author of Prasnamarga > > says that trying to predict without learning Dasadhayi is like > trying > > cross the sea without a ship! He requests every astrologer to > learn > > and memorize Varaha hora and Krishneeyam before proceeding with > the > > study of Prasnamarga. There are numerous texts available in Kerla > > related to Prasna stream of astrology, both in Malayalam and > > Sanskrit. > > The credit for the creation of Ashtamangala Prasna system (which > is > > elaborately described in texts like Prasnanushtana padhati, > > Prasnamarga etc) goes to Kerala school of astrology. Even today we > > can see Ashatamangala Prasnas (popularly known as 'Deva Prasna') > in > > Temples where scholarly astrolgical discussions quoting all the > > available astrological classics purana slokas etc (related to > > astrology, vastu, or nimitta) etc goes up to 2 to 15 days, > ensuring > > the participation of 3 to 10 astrologers!! Before many such who > are > > scholarly enough to do such exercise (It is a normal thing in > > temples), and the popular scholarly astrologer will be busy with > such > > Deva prasna the year throughout and is highly rewarded. As I > > mentioned my another message, many of them are scholarly enough to > > quote the whole of Varaha hora, Prasnamargam, Dasadhyayi Vyakhya, > > Krishneeyam and many more texts just from memory! They are > familiar > > with the many vyakhyas of these texts, and has answers to the pros > > and cones of astrology, as far as the prediction is concerned. > They > > usually never say a thing, without quoting the relevant situation. > > Usually they never put forward arguments, that are not supported > by > > astrological classics. > > 5) Phala deepika, Jataka Parijatam, Brihat Jataka padhati > > ------------------------ > > These are all common astrologers handbooks of astrology. Most of > the > > slokas in these texts and subjects dealt with in are also known to > > most of the astrologers. But they seems to be selective in > applying > > principles dealt especially with in Jataka Parijata. Jataka > parijata > > is considered as a poetic elaboration (condensation?) of the > > techniques dealt with in Varaha Hora, Saravali etc. The author of > > Jataka parijata (Vidyanadha soori) says that he is giving a > condensed > > description of the concepts dealt with in mainly Saravali! > > 7) Sphujidwaja Yavana Hora, Vridha Yavana Jathakam > > ------------------ > > These texts of Yavana stream of astrology is also selectively > > studied by the scholars. When they contradict with the views of > Arsha > > school of thought (of which Mihira is considered a part), Yavana > view > > is rejected and Arsha view is accepted. May be fore the Arsha > school > > of thought, it is Mihira that started mixing Arsha and Yavana > views. > > 6) Bhavarta Ratnakaram, Chamatkara chintamani, Sarvartha > Chintamani > > -------------------------------- - > - > > Many value these texts much when coming to Bhava analysis etc. > > 7) Madhaveeyam, Muhoorta Padavi > > ------------------------------- > > They are considered as the classic texts to be followed in > Muhoorta > > determination. Muhoorta padavi is later origin but many elaborate > > Vyakhyas for this text exists in Malayalam. There are numerous > texts > > on Muhoorta available in Malayalam and Sanskrit. > > 8) Brihat Samhita > > ----------------- > > Most of the astrology and omen related slokas in this texts are > > biheart to the scholar astrologers of Kerala. They also used to > Quote > > from Brihat Yoga yatra, Samasa samhita etc. But they are not that > > popular. For a Kerala astrologer the word Samhita means Brihat > > samhita, and Hora means Varaha hora! > > 9) Parasara Hora > > ---------------- > > This text is used in a selective basis. Only subjects that comes > in > > the same stream of thought as taught by the Rishis of Arsha school > > and Mihira are valued, and the rest is ignored. > > 10) Sidhata texts (Astronomical calculations) > > ---------- > > Oh! They are numerous! But most of them are becoming extinct now > a > > days with advent of computers etc. But yes, everybody knows about > > texts like Pancha sidhatika (of Varaha mihira) etc. > > There are many more texts, which may make this list extensive. I > > provide the list of other texts another time. In the above list > texts > > up to No.8 forms the backbone of Kerala school of astrology. > > Love, > > Sreenadh > > > > , " Bharat Hindu > > Astrology " <hinduastrology@> wrote: > > > > > > Namaskaar Sri Sreenadh and Sri Madhu > > > > > > As you are aware that many of our fine astrological texts or > their > > > translations/explanations are lost or not easily accessible. I > > request you > > > and other members to kindly give us a list of the important > Kerala > > Astrology > > > works and whether their hindi or english translations are > available. > > > > > > This is likely to help us get these texts and understand more > about > > > astrology. Sri Sreenadh, I have already discussed with you that > > whatever you > > > have written if that can be translated into english, it will be > > wonderful. > > > > > > While propogation of Jyotish knowledge is paramount, its > > preservation must > > > be kept in mind too. > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > Bharat > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2006 Report Share Posted May 11, 2006 Dear Vinita ji, I had given you the word that in a message I will explain the logic of Vasya signs to you in little more detail. It was pending for long, I thought I should finish it off today. But due to want of time I am making it short. The rules that are considered for determining Vasya signs -- 1) Signs owned by planets with same bhootatipatya, are vasya signs to each other. But if two signs are owned by the same planet, then this rule is applicable only if that sign is the first one of those two (starting from Aries), or if the sign is the Moolatrikona sign. (For Sun and Moon Bhootathipatya is not assigned) 2) If the lord of the sign is debilitated in some sign, then that sign could be a vasya sign to the first. This rule is applicable only to the sign that is second (if 2 sings are owned by the same planet) starting from Aries. Or to the sign that is not moolatrikona for any planet. 3) The signs which are the swakshetra of the same planet are vasya signs to each other. But if two signs are owned by the same planet, then this rule is applicable only if that sign is the first one of those two (starting from Aries). 4) If a planet is exalted in the considered sign, the sign owned by that exalted planet could be a vasya sign. But this rule is applicable only if the sign owned by the exalted planet comes as 3rd, 4th, or 6th of the considered sign. 5) If a planet is debilitated in the considered sign, then the signs owned by that planet could be vasya signs. But this rule is applicable, only if the sign owned by the debilitated planet comes as 3rd, 4th, or 6th of the considered sign. These are the only five rules that are considered for Vasya signs – it seems. Let us consider each sign and apply these rule and see what is the result we get. For - Aries ------ (1) Le, Sc (2) - (3) Sc (4) – (5) – Therefore Le and Sc are considered as Vasya signs for Ar. Taurus -------- (1) Cn, Li (2) - (3) Li (4) Cn (5) – Therefore Cn and Li are considered as Vasya signs for Ta Gemini ---------- (1) Vi (2) - (3) Vi (4) - (5) – Therefore Vi is considered as Vasya signs for Ge. Cancer -------- (1) Ta, Li (2) Sc (3) - (4) Sg (5) – Therefore Sc and Sg are considered as Vasya signs for Cn. The signs indicated by the first rule is ignored since Bhootathipatya is not assigned to Mo, i.e. lord of Cn. Leo ----- (6) Ar, Sc (7) Li (8) - (9) - (10) – Therefore Li is considered as Vasya signs for Le. The signs indicated by the first rule is ignored since Bhootathipatya is not assigned to Su, i.e. lord of Le. It is too much typing and so I make it short for the remaining signs. For Virgo – we get, as per rule 1, Ge ; and as per rule 2 Pi; remaining gives blank. So Ge and Pi are vasya signs for Vi. For Li –We get as per rule 2, Vi ; and as per rule 4, Cp; remaining gives blank. So Vi and Cp are vasya signs for Li. For Sc – We get, as per rule 2, Cn ; remaining gives blank. Therefore, Cn is the vasya sign for Sc. For Sg – We get, as per rule 1, Pi; and as per rule 3 Pi ; remaining gives blank. Therefore Pi is the vasya sign for Sg. For Cp – We get, as per rule 1, Aq; and as per rule 3 Aq; and as per rule 4 Ar ; remaining gives blank. Therefore Aq and Ar are vasya sings for Cp. For Aq – We get, as per rule 2 Ar ; remaining gives blank. Therefore Ar is the vasya sign for Aq. For Pi – We get, as per rule 2 Co; ; remaining gives blank. Therefore Cp is the vasya sign for Pi. Dear Vinita ji, ponder and don't ask me to explain, I am tired and it is too much typing. The pending promise worried me and that is why I finished it off today. This is just the result of exercising my own brain, and cant be sure that it was the original logic employed by the Rishis. But this logic gives, proper signs as vasya rasis we could see. If you find it not sufficient make your own amendments and use it. Phew….!! I won't dare to talk about Vasya signs for long! It is tiring! Love, Sreenadh , " vinita kumar " <shankar_mamta wrote: > > Dear Shreenadh, > > It is such an humbling experience to read your mails. Even I thought > that BPHS was the be all and the end all in astrology. U have > mentioned about schools of astrology that are far more ancient than > Parashar. All I can do is open my mouth in amazement at this very > very vaste knowledge. > > The BT rectification file and the Chandra Hari folder contain such > indepth information that it needs a very keen and intelligent mind > to understand all this. > > I also admire your immense energy in taking care to respond to > queries in such detail. It is very very easy to ask questions, but > to give satisfying answers is a 100 times more difficult task. I > appreciate the trouble u take with each mail. > > I also like your sense of humour....and the :) and ;)...and > undertaking the trouble to dig the undertaker, etc., etc. > > Chandra Hariji, MAdhuji and u could possibly form a trio to explore > various aspects of ancient astrology, the Kerala texts, etc. Most of > this would be overhead transmission for casual visitors of forums > like me. But I could be a happy bystander satisfied to watch the > play unfold and clap if I can occassionally understand something of > the discussions. > > Once again I would like to wish u the very very best in your > endeavours!!!:-)) > > Love, > Vinita > > P.S. > Things I am looking forward to are: > 1. a fuller explanation of the vyasa signs (remember, there were > some question marks) > 2. explanation of dristis > 3. BT rectification - other (simpler?) methods. > > Though I know your views on " imaginary inventions " , rasi dristi, > etc. my personal experience with my own chart (a very small sample, > I know) is that rasi dristi could work to establish relationship > with naisargika (?) karakas in D-9. BT rectification through D-9 > chart by studying the trines and 7th house of the spouse's chart > also appears to be uncannily correct - but it may have limited > application for persons who have not married or who have multiple > relationships. > > > > , " Sreenadh " > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > Dear Bharat ji, > > You said: > > <SNIP> > > > As you are aware that many of our fine astrological texts or > their > > > translations/explanations are lost or not easily accessible. > > > I request you and other members to kindly give us a list of the > > > important Kerala Astrology > > > works and whether their hindi or english translations are > available. > > </SNIP> > > I can list some the available works, but do not have any idea > about > > the availability of their Hindi or English translations. It should > > also be noted that the texts that are popular in Kerala should not > be > > necessarily of Kerala origin. > > The Kerala stream of astrology is mainly centered around " Varaha > > Hora " and its many Vyakhyas, which quotes extensively from Rishi > > horas like, Skanda, Garga, Vasishta, Kousika, Sounaka, Parasara > etc. > > I will give a list of the most popular texts of astrology in > Kerala. > > (It is not necessary that they are all ancient) > > > > 1) Varaha Hora > > -------------- > > Numarous Vykhyas for this text are available. Some of them are: > > a) Hridya padha by Kaikulangara rama varyar. In Kerala Hridya > padha > > has become another name for Hora. He quotes Skanda and other > Rishis > > extensively and mentions many lost Vyakhyas and texts. It is in > > Malayalam language. The linguistic ability and knowledge of > > Kaikulangara is amazing! > > b) Dasadhyayi by Talakkulattu Bhattathiri. It is a vyakhya for > the > > first 10 chapters of Varaha Hora. It is the classic text for > > understanding the prediction strategy to be followed - and is the > > bible for Kerala astrologers. It is Vyakhaya in Sanskrit language. > > Several Malayalam translations for this text are available in > Kerala. > > He also quotes from Rishi Horas, though not that much as > > Kaikulangara. But for predictive purpose it is valued far more > that > > Hridya padha. > > c) Vivarana Vyakhya by Rudra Varyar - It is a huge Sanskrit > Vyakya > > of Varaha hora. But not that popular among Kerala astrologers, > though > > everybody knows about it. > > d) There are many more Varaha Hora vyakhyas available like > > Apoorvatha Prakasika, Ahoratra Dasadhyayi, Bhasha Dasadhyayi etc. > > 2) Krishneeyam > > -------------- > > Krishneeyam is a text by Krishnacharya probably of Kerala origin > in > > or around 15th century. The son of Madhavacharya (author of > > Madhaveeyam) wrote a vyakhya called Chatura sundari for this text. > > This vyakhya is in Sanskrit. Krishneeyam with Chatura Sundari > vyakya > > is revered a lot. It is another classic text for understanding the > > prediction stratogy to be followed. In this catogory Dasadhyayi > and > > Chatura Sundari share equal heights. > > 3) Saravali > > ----------- > > Saravali by Kalyanavarma is considered as an authentic texts, in > > line with the teachings of Varaha Hora. And is referenced by all > in > > matters where the ideas are not discussed in Rishi horas. > > 4) Prasnamarga > > -------------- > > In horory astrology Prasnamarga stands high. Prasnamarga is an > > elaboration of another authentic text 'Prasnanushtana padhati'. > > Scholers value these two texts. Prasnamarga is more elaborate and > > structured, but 'Prasnanushtana Padhati' is considered more > > authentic, may be since it is ancient or because it is a text by a > > guru in the tradition before Prasnamarga. It seems that the author > of > > Prasnamarga (Panakkattu Nambootiri) was disciple of the system > taught > > by the author of Prasnanushtana padhati. The author of Prasnamarga > > says that trying to predict without learning Dasadhayi is like > trying > > cross the sea without a ship! He requests every astrologer to > learn > > and memorize Varaha hora and Krishneeyam before proceeding with > the > > study of Prasnamarga. There are numerous texts available in Kerla > > related to Prasna stream of astrology, both in Malayalam and > > Sanskrit. > > The credit for the creation of Ashtamangala Prasna system (which > is > > elaborately described in texts like Prasnanushtana padhati, > > Prasnamarga etc) goes to Kerala school of astrology. Even today we > > can see Ashatamangala Prasnas (popularly known as 'Deva Prasna') > in > > Temples where scholarly astrolgical discussions quoting all the > > available astrological classics purana slokas etc (related to > > astrology, vastu, or nimitta) etc goes up to 2 to 15 days, > ensuring > > the participation of 3 to 10 astrologers!! Before many such who > are > > scholarly enough to do such exercise (It is a normal thing in > > temples), and the popular scholarly astrologer will be busy with > such > > Deva prasna the year throughout and is highly rewarded. As I > > mentioned my another message, many of them are scholarly enough to > > quote the whole of Varaha hora, Prasnamargam, Dasadhyayi Vyakhya, > > Krishneeyam and many more texts just from memory! They are > familiar > > with the many vyakhyas of these texts, and has answers to the pros > > and cones of astrology, as far as the prediction is concerned. > They > > usually never say a thing, without quoting the relevant situation. > > Usually they never put forward arguments, that are not supported > by > > astrological classics. > > 5) Phala deepika, Jataka Parijatam, Brihat Jataka padhati > > ------------------------ > > These are all common astrologers handbooks of astrology. Most of > the > > slokas in these texts and subjects dealt with in are also known to > > most of the astrologers. But they seems to be selective in > applying > > principles dealt especially with in Jataka Parijata. Jataka > parijata > > is considered as a poetic elaboration (condensation?) of the > > techniques dealt with in Varaha Hora, Saravali etc. The author of > > Jataka parijata (Vidyanadha soori) says that he is giving a > condensed > > description of the concepts dealt with in mainly Saravali! > > 7) Sphujidwaja Yavana Hora, Vridha Yavana Jathakam > > ------------------ > > These texts of Yavana stream of astrology is also selectively > > studied by the scholars. When they contradict with the views of > Arsha > > school of thought (of which Mihira is considered a part), Yavana > view > > is rejected and Arsha view is accepted. May be fore the Arsha > school > > of thought, it is Mihira that started mixing Arsha and Yavana > views. > > 6) Bhavarta Ratnakaram, Chamatkara chintamani, Sarvartha > Chintamani > > -------------------------------- - > - > > Many value these texts much when coming to Bhava analysis etc. > > 7) Madhaveeyam, Muhoorta Padavi > > ------------------------------- > > They are considered as the classic texts to be followed in > Muhoorta > > determination. Muhoorta padavi is later origin but many elaborate > > Vyakhyas for this text exists in Malayalam. There are numerous > texts > > on Muhoorta available in Malayalam and Sanskrit. > > 8) Brihat Samhita > > ----------------- > > Most of the astrology and omen related slokas in this texts are > > biheart to the scholar astrologers of Kerala. They also used to > Quote > > from Brihat Yoga yatra, Samasa samhita etc. But they are not that > > popular. For a Kerala astrologer the word Samhita means Brihat > > samhita, and Hora means Varaha hora! > > 9) Parasara Hora > > ---------------- > > This text is used in a selective basis. Only subjects that comes > in > > the same stream of thought as taught by the Rishis of Arsha school > > and Mihira are valued, and the rest is ignored. > > 10) Sidhata texts (Astronomical calculations) > > ---------- > > Oh! They are numerous! But most of them are becoming extinct now > a > > days with advent of computers etc. But yes, everybody knows about > > texts like Pancha sidhatika (of Varaha mihira) etc. > > There are many more texts, which may make this list extensive. I > > provide the list of other texts another time. In the above list > texts > > up to No.8 forms the backbone of Kerala school of astrology. > > Love, > > Sreenadh > > > > , " Bharat Hindu > > Astrology " <hinduastrology@> wrote: > > > > > > Namaskaar Sri Sreenadh and Sri Madhu > > > > > > As you are aware that many of our fine astrological texts or > their > > > translations/explanations are lost or not easily accessible. I > > request you > > > and other members to kindly give us a list of the important > Kerala > > Astrology > > > works and whether their hindi or english translations are > available. > > > > > > This is likely to help us get these texts and understand more > about > > > astrology. Sri Sreenadh, I have already discussed with you that > > whatever you > > > have written if that can be translated into english, it will be > > wonderful. > > > > > > While propogation of Jyotish knowledge is paramount, its > > preservation must > > > be kept in mind too. > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > Bharat > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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