Guest guest Posted May 10, 2006 Report Share Posted May 10, 2006 Hi all, I was yesterday messing with another Group about the lagna and its retrogression, and the air got understandably sepulchral Anyway, that prompts me to ask something that I've not found an answer to yet. Since the lagna is what rises at the eastern horizon, what on earth is east? Assume that I live in this cute Russian port city of Murmansk, and it's the middle of a deep and dark December, with no rasi likely to rise in the east until late spring... +++ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2006 Report Share Posted May 10, 2006 Dear vernalagnia ji, Everybody knows about the 4, 8 or 10 directions. 4 - North, East, West, South [NEWS!] 8 - 4 sides, and 4 corners 10 - 4 sides, and 4 corners, Up, down. So for sure you are not asking about it for sure. But your question seems to be of a different spirit. If I could put it other words, " If the earth is round, and since earth is a globe that revolves around the sun in this vast sky, sun and the solar system itself is just part of this unimaginably vast universe, then what is the importance of directions, especially in horoscope? If the concept of directions itself only exists in the limited brain of the local human being, then what is the point in casting destiny based on that? " I think this is the question that is lurking in your mind. I that I got it right. Before answering that question, let us first consider the situation of the saints who created this system. They were trying to study the movements in the sky and was trying to correlate with the rhythm of destiny(events and changing situations in life related to time), just like we look at the watch to know the time. Watch does not CONTROL time, so as planets does not CONTROL destiny. (It is just an example for clarity). Now coming to the study of movements of heavenly bodies in solar system (our limited universe), the movement of earth itself is more important to us than the movement of any other planet or the satellite that is moon or the nods Ra and Ke. Earth has 2 types of movements, 1) Rotation around Sun and 2) Revolution (we add the concept of an imaginary axis to grasp it). 1) Rotation of earth around Sun ----------------------------- Due to this only the months change, and the climate in earth is related to it. Viewing from earth, this change could be associated to the FELT movement of Sun, to the northern and southern hemisphere. Yes, the yearly rotation of the sun is depicted in the horoscope as the movement of Sun through the Rasi chakra (Zodiac). 2) Revolution of earth -------------------- It is a more important movement to us than the previous one (since we live in this earth itself) The day and night is directly related to this as you know. So they need some system to depict this movement. Viewing from earth, this change could be associated to the FELT movement of sky in eastern horizon. (I don't think, there would any difficulty for any learned person in locating the east from where he stands on earth. The general - not fully correct - statement is that it is the direction where the sun rises). Yes, the daily revolution of earth is depicted in the horoscope as the movement of Lagna (Asc) through the Rasi chakra (Zodiac). By the way Rasi chakra or Zodiac means the total sky AROUND earth. So in essence, speaking scientifically, Lagna (i.e. eastern horizon related to, or as seen from that place) should be associated to the 'Angle of revolution of earth related to that place'. I think it is clear. In the light of this knowledge, I think the importance of your question vanishes, and also the knowledge and sincerity of the saints who created the system of astrology gets reflected. Now do your homework and come forward with some new idea related to this, clarifying things for the benefit of us all. ------------------- PS 1: Please look at your short question and the length of my answer. (It is not just particular to me but to all who is trying to answer the queries put forward) If just reflects the effort, one has to take in explaining things. (Not me, but any one who is answering any type of queries) The person who is asking (or demanding) answer should understand this and ask only relevant questions and should depict the effort he has put in that direction before expecting the answer. At times, the persons who post the queries fails to understand this, and the question might go unanswered. It may happen to people who are sincerely posting genuine questions, since they fail to reflect their true intentions, of posing the question in the message. In such instances usually he is supposed rectify it and amend it in the subsequent postings. [it is usually an untold rule followed in all the forums. It is just that I am putting it in words. ] As I told, the above is important only " to the persons who post the queries " , and not in discussions. In discussions, there is KNOWLEDGE SHARING as new inputs and ideas comes from BOTH SIDES. In other words 'query' is an one-way process, while 'discussion' is a two way process of knowledge sharing. Respect, co-operation, friendship, heated arguments, opinion difference and non-personal enmity (at times people stretch it to personal level as well) etc are the result of DISCUSSION METHOD, while Guru-Sishya relation or Challenger-Undertaker relation is the result of QUERRY-ANSWER METHOD. This groups are DISCUSSION FORUMS and so the first method is appreciated and expected almost by all (at least who understand the relevance of 'discussion forums' properly). I hope you are such an individual and a worthy member of this discussion forum and not a mere query poser. PS 2: There is nothing wrong in the Guru-Sishya or Challenger- Undertaker relations, but I don't think that is the spirit of the discussion forums. Eagerly waiting for your reply. Love, Sreenadh , " vernalagnia " <vernalagnia wrote: > > Hi all, > > I was yesterday messing with another Group about the lagna and its > retrogression, and the air got understandably sepulchral > > Anyway, that prompts me to ask something that I've not found an answer > to yet. Since the lagna is what rises at the eastern horizon, what on > earth is east? > > Assume that I live in this cute Russian port city of Murmansk, and > it's the middle of a deep and dark December, with no rasi likely to > rise in the east until late spring... > > +++ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2006 Report Share Posted May 10, 2006 , " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote: > If I could put it other words, " If the earth is round, and since earth is a globe that revolves around the sun in this vast sky, sun and the solar system itself is just part of this unimaginably vast universe, then what is the importance of directions, especially in horoscope? If the concept of directions itself only exists in the limited brain of the local human being, then what is the point in casting destiny based on that? " I think this is the question that is lurking in your mind. I that I got it right. Yep Sree, kind of But also consider, if we've to restrict ourselves howsoever fleetingly - every horoscope is itself a mere snapshot of a predetermined chain of events. It applies to, among other matters, the genesis and evolution of man itself and how his genre multiplies and develops, and of those around him. My birth was predetermined, as even a nadi leaf can tell, as were other matters over my lifespan - even my potentials are as preset as the avenues available for me to harness them, if at all. Although on a macro level, the horoscope is an almost irrelevant and low-level analysis tool of determining events, its relevance itself can go awry if its inputs aren't either properly comprehended or given. And since astro is all about the sync between planets and mankind, we've also the need to understand the darned minutiae which brings us down to earth and what on earth it is that's east, since that determines the oh-so-touchy ascendant > So in essence, speaking scientifically, Lagna (i.e. eastern horizon > related to, or as seen from that place) should be associated to > the 'Angle of revolution of earth related to that place'. I think it is clear. > In the light of this knowledge, I think the importance of your > question vanishes, and also the knowledge and sincerity of the saints > who created the system of astrology gets reflected. Now do your > homework and come forward with some new idea related to this, > clarifying things for the benefit of us all. " Do your homework " is the most difficult part for me My question stems not with any hidden motive - I'm incapable of that but from wanting to know how to apply the concepts of our sages universally. I've seen cases where the lagna hangs around interminably at one point, jumps across rasis, runs backward... the whole lot. To try and figure things out satisfactorily is my intent. All this is a very low-level endeavor but then I can only aim as much > PS 1: Please look at your short question and the length of my answer. Very flattered by the time and effort you've given my question, Sree I long for your ilk in Groups of my principal areas of interest (astrology doesn't much enamor me, btw). You can make a classy teacher > The person who is asking (or demanding) answer should > understand this and ask only relevant questions and should depict the effort he has put in that direction before expecting the answer. I'm nothing if not honest, and I can assure you that I've done my bit to try and get to the answer myself earlier, without success. I've my own obvious limitations in the brain too > Respect, co-operation, friendship, heated > arguments, opinion difference and non-personal enmity (at times people stretch it to personal level as well) etc are the result of DISCUSSION METHOD, while Guru-Sishya relation or Challenger-Undertaker relation is undertaker? :) > the result of QUERRY-ANSWER METHOD. This groups are DISCUSSION FORUMS > and so the first method is appreciated and expected almost by all (at > least who understand the relevance of 'discussion forums' properly). From what I've noticed, astrology has sadly the biggest set of bigots you can hope to find. Worse than politicans in that respect. One little different viewpoint and it starts to get personal, and then it's an alarming wind-down from there > I hope you are such an individual and a worthy member of this > discussion forum and not a mere query poser. I'm not because I'm incapable of holding a discussion but like I said, I'm not dishonest about that. Take care. Guess I'll step back to lurk mode And thanks for getting me started +++ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2006 Report Share Posted May 10, 2006 Namaskaar Sri The concept of destiny is in the human mind and therefore, the directions exist outside. Yat pinde Tat Brahmande. I wouldn't define a being as a horoscope. A being is much larger than the horoscope or the Ascendant that rises in it. That the being does not recognize this fact and remains identified with the " horoscope " is the error. For those who remain identified, the east is east - individual and outside. I hope the above helped.Thanks and RegardsBharatOn 5/10/06, vernalagnia <vernalagnia > wrote: , " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote: > If I could put it other words, " If the earth is round, and since earth is a globe that revolves around the sun in this vast sky, sun and the solar system itself is just part of this unimaginably vast universe, then what is the importance of directions, especially in horoscope? If the concept of directions itself only exists in the limited brain of the local human being, then what is the point in casting destiny based on that? " I think this is the question that is lurking in your mind. I that I got it right. Yep Sree, kind of But also consider, if we've to restrict ourselves howsoever fleetingly - every horoscope is itself a mere snapshot of a predetermined chain of events. It applies to, among other matters, the genesis and evolution of man itself and how his genre multiplies and develops, and of those around him. My birth was predetermined, as even a nadi leaf can tell, as were other matters over my lifespan - even my potentials are as preset as the avenues available for me to harness them, if at all. Although on a macro level, the horoscope is an almost irrelevant and low-level analysis tool of determining events, its relevance itself can go awry if its inputs aren't either properly comprehended or given. And since astro is all about the sync between planets and mankind, we've also the need to understand the darned minutiae which brings us down to earth and what on earth it is that's east, since that determines the oh-so-touchy ascendant > So in essence, speaking scientifically, Lagna (i.e. eastern horizon > related to, or as seen from that place) should be associated to > the 'Angle of revolution of earth related to that place'. I think it is clear. > In the light of this knowledge, I think the importance of your > question vanishes, and also the knowledge and sincerity of the saints > who created the system of astrology gets reflected. Now do your > homework and come forward with some new idea related to this, > clarifying things for the benefit of us all. " Do your homework " is the most difficult part for me My question stems not with any hidden motive - I'm incapable of that but from wanting to know how to apply the concepts of our sages universally. I've seen cases where the lagna hangs around interminably at one point, jumps across rasis, runs backward... the whole lot. To try and figure things out satisfactorily is my intent. All this is a very low-level endeavor but then I can only aim as much > PS 1: Please look at your short question and the length of my answer. Very flattered by the time and effort you've given my question, Sree I long for your ilk in Groups of my principal areas of interest (astrology doesn't much enamor me, btw). You can make a classy teacher > The person who is asking (or demanding) answer should > understand this and ask only relevant questions and should depict the effort he has put in that direction before expecting the answer. I'm nothing if not honest, and I can assure you that I've done my bit to try and get to the answer myself earlier, without success. I've my own obvious limitations in the brain too > Respect, co-operation, friendship, heated > arguments, opinion difference and non-personal enmity (at times people stretch it to personal level as well) etc are the result of DISCUSSION METHOD, while Guru-Sishya relation or Challenger-Undertaker relation is undertaker? :) > the result of QUERRY-ANSWER METHOD. This groups are DISCUSSION FORUMS > and so the first method is appreciated and expected almost by all (at > least who understand the relevance of 'discussion forums' properly). From what I've noticed, astrology has sadly the biggest set of bigots you can hope to find. Worse than politicans in that respect. One little different viewpoint and it starts to get personal, and then it's an alarming wind-down from there > I hope you are such an individual and a worthy member of this > discussion forum and not a mere query poser. I'm not because I'm incapable of holding a discussion but like I said, I'm not dishonest about that. Take care. Guess I'll step back to lurk mode And thanks for getting me started +++ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2006 Report Share Posted May 10, 2006 Dear Bharat ji, " Yat pinde Tat Brahmande " . That is a beautiful concept that I cherish always. The unanimity of the microcosm and the macrocosm and their dace together (the rhythm) is a beautiful concept, and is the foundation of almost all the Holistic knowledge streams that originated in India! At times I feel that it is this concept, and the Sankya phylosophy that give rise to most of the knowledge streams like Astrology, Ayurveda, Vastu, Music and the like in India. > I wouldn't define a 'being' as a horoscope. A being is much larger > than the horoscope or the Ascendant that rises in it. That the > being does not recognize this fact and remains identified with > the " horoscope " is the error. I totally agree with those statements. Thanks for this very good lesson and thanks for putting it in clear words, without ambiguity, in a way anyone could understand. The 'individual' (Not 'person' - the word 'person' originated from the greek word 'persona' which means 'mask') is more important than horoscope, Ascendant or anything else - since he is the adobe of the presence of the divine (call it 'atma' or anything else). Love, Sreenadh , " Bharat Hindu Astrology " <hinduastrology wrote: > > Namaskaar Sri > > The concept of destiny is in the human mind and therefore, the directions > exist outside. Yat pinde Tat Brahmande. > > I wouldn't define a being as a horoscope. A being is much larger than the > horoscope or the Ascendant that rises in it. That the being does not > recognize this fact and remains identified with the " horoscope " is the > error. For those who remain identified, the east is east - individual and > outside. > > I hope the above helped. > > Thanks and Regards > Bharat > > > > > On 5/10/06, vernalagnia <vernalagnia wrote: > > > > , " Sreenadh " > > > > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > If I could put it other words, " If the earth is round, and since earth > > is a globe that revolves around the sun in this vast sky, sun and the > > solar system itself is just part of this unimaginably vast universe, > > then what is the importance of directions, especially in horoscope? If > > the concept of directions itself only exists in the limited brain of > > the local human being, then what is the point in casting destiny based > > on that? " > > I think this is the question that is lurking in your mind. I that I > > got it right. > > > > > > Yep Sree, kind of But also consider, if we've to restrict ourselves > > howsoever fleetingly - every horoscope is itself a mere snapshot of a > > predetermined chain of events. It applies to, among other matters, the > > genesis and evolution of man itself and how his genre multiplies and > > develops, and of those around him. My birth was predetermined, as even > > a nadi leaf can tell, as were other matters over my lifespan - even my > > potentials are as preset as the avenues available for me to harness > > them, if at all. > > > > Although on a macro level, the horoscope is an almost irrelevant and > > low-level analysis tool of determining events, its relevance itself > > can go awry if its inputs aren't either properly comprehended or > > given. And since astro is all about the sync between planets and > > mankind, we've also the need to understand the darned minutiae > > which brings us down to earth and what on earth it is that's east, > > since that determines the oh-so-touchy ascendant > > > > > > > > > So in essence, speaking scientifically, Lagna (i.e. eastern horizon > > > related to, or as seen from that place) should be associated to > > > the 'Angle of revolution of earth related to that place'. I think it > > is clear. > > > In the light of this knowledge, I think the importance of your > > > question vanishes, and also the knowledge and sincerity of the saints > > > who created the system of astrology gets reflected. Now do your > > > homework and come forward with some new idea related to this, > > > clarifying things for the benefit of us all. > > > > > > " Do your homework " is the most difficult part for me > > My question stems not with any hidden motive - I'm incapable of that > > but from wanting to know how to apply the concepts of our sages > > universally. I've seen cases where the lagna hangs around interminably > > at one point, jumps across rasis, runs backward... the whole lot. To > > try and figure things out satisfactorily is my intent. All this is a > > very low-level endeavor but then I can only aim as much > > > > > > > > > PS 1: Please look at your short question and the length of my answer. > > > > > > Very flattered by the time and effort you've given my question, Sree > > I long for your ilk in Groups of my principal areas of interest > > (astrology doesn't much enamor me, btw). You can make a classy teacher > > > > > > > > > > > The person who is asking (or demanding) answer should > > > understand this and ask only relevant questions and should depict > > the effort he has put in that direction before expecting the answer. > > > > > > I'm nothing if not honest, and I can assure you that I've done my bit > > to try and get to the answer myself earlier, without success. I've my > > own obvious limitations in the brain too > > > > > > > > > Respect, co-operation, friendship, heated > > > arguments, opinion difference and non-personal enmity (at times > > people stretch it to personal level as well) etc are the result of > > DISCUSSION METHOD, while Guru-Sishya relation or Challenger- Undertaker > > relation is > > > > undertaker? :) > > > > > > > > > the result of QUERRY-ANSWER METHOD. This groups are DISCUSSION FORUMS > > > and so the first method is appreciated and expected almost by all (at > > > least who understand the relevance of 'discussion forums' properly). > > > > > > From what I've noticed, astrology has sadly the biggest set of bigots > > you can hope to find. Worse than politicans in that respect. One > > little different viewpoint and it starts to get personal, and then > > it's an alarming wind-down from there > > > > > > > > > I hope you are such an individual and a worthy member of this > > > discussion forum and not a mere query poser. > > > > > > I'm not because I'm incapable of holding a discussion but like I said, > > I'm not dishonest about that. > > > > Take care. Guess I'll step back to lurk mode And thanks for getting > > me started > > > > > > +++ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2006 Report Share Posted May 10, 2006 Dear vernalagnia ji, You said: > My birth was predetermined, as even > a nadi leaf can tell, as were other matters over my lifespan - even > my potentials are as preset as the avenues available for me to > harness them, if at all. I don't think ancient astrology is that much deterministic! It gives equal weight to " destiny and will " . The over importance assigned to destiny came only after the incorporation of Karma theory into astrology, I feel. > And since astro is all about the sync between planets and > mankind, No! Neither I said so nor I agree with it. Or did I get that statement wrongly? Astrology is all about the rhythm (or wave or frame) of time that influence anything. There is no concept that the planets " Influence " or control us! But WE USE the movement of planets as a TOOL to understand the rhythm of time (or call it destiny) that influence us. Influence of destiny - yes, it is only to an extend, since we have the free will, (or some switch execute the unknown power of chance) with us. That is why the future is not at all fully predictable - No, not even for brahma - says astrological classics. But yes, partial predictions (as far as future is concerned) and giving possible indications about the future trend are always possible. > we've also the need to understand the darned minutiae No – not necessarily. The sages ask us to predict the future based on Adhana, BT (5 or more types of BT are approved by the classics). Future is predicted based on marriage time or even death time! For girls, predictions are given even based on the date and time of first menses. So what you think the generalized conclusion would be? I think it should be the statement – " Future of an individual can be predicted based on any moment that is closely related to him " or in other words, " any event that strongly influence him " , since such a moment can reflect the rhythm or pattern of destiny that person would get influenced with. It is like basing our study on part of the wave to get an idea of the future path of motion of the same wave. BT is just one of the selections in this regard, since it is one of the most important events in the life of a human being. If BT is un available, we should resort to the time of any other very important moment in that persons life, for having an idea about his future – I feel. Yes, I can quote many evidences and classical proofs in this regard to support the argument that saints thought in this direction, though a statement clearly stating the same is not available. > I've seen cases where the lagna hangs around interminably > at one point, jumps across rasis, runs backward... the whole lot. ) You are pointing to the current state of astrology, with numerous Ayanamsas and I agree to that. But I personally have resorted to Chandrahari Ayanamsa, it is the only one which is based on ancient Sanskrit classics (It is based on Surya sidhanta), and also the only one which gives a sound and logical mathematical proof for the selection of that point (i.e starting point of Aries). You may not feel the same, and there would be many with a different opinion in support of Chitra paksha Ayanamsa or the like – but its my personal opinion. > You can make a classy teacher Thanks for the complement. By the way, I was a teacher for some time. > My question stems not with any hidden motive …………. > I'm nothing if not honest, and I can assure you that I've done my bit > to try and get to the answer myself earlier, ---. Thanks for that sincerity shared. I apologize if any of my comments hurt you even to bit. Sorry. > undertaker? :) I meant to indicate the person who undertakes the challenge. But you know I am not that good at English. After seeing your comment, I looked in the dictionary and alas! I found – undertaker (n) =. Professional funeral organizer !!! It is just contrary to what I intended, and Phew…….! What type of English I am using!!! Calling an astrologer who is ready to undertake the challenges (that are put forward) as undertaker will make him run away from this group!!! Still I hope that you understood the real meaning I wanted to convey - I meant the person who is ready to undertake the challenges by that word. I apologize for the poor standard of my English. > From what I've noticed, astrology has sadly the biggest set of bigots > you can hope to find. Worse than politicians in that respect. One > little different viewpoint and it starts to get personal, and then > it's an alarming wind-down from there I can assure that it won't happen from me. I assure you that, as long as somebody is not becoming personal with you and you are not becoming personal with some body, nobody is going to intervene in healthy discussions with or in other words till then there is no moderator for this group. And the moderator dies and become non- existent at the moment the discussions takes the healthy turn. As you know, I am just a member, and not a moderator, he is yet to come to life for this forum. ). And I am happy about that. So feel free to express your opinions, even if it is totally against the general views – I assure my support. > I'm incapable of holding a discussion but like I said, > I'm not dishonest about that. I don't think so – and the proof is also against that!! You have already entered into the discussion method, by this single mail itself!! Going by the first part of your mail, mentioning `nadi leafs', `destiny', `importance of the accuracy of birth time' etc, I feel like saying a `Thank you' to the lessons taught!! No it is not feeling like saying thank you – I express my sincere gratitude for posting such a very good mail. > Guess I'll step back to lurk mode Please don't. We still want you here as an active member of the discussions, pouring in sincere inputs. > And thanks for getting > me started Once you start, you have to stay. We usually bind people with love. Love, Sreenadh , " vernalagnia " <vernalagnia wrote: > > , " Sreenadh " > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > If I could put it other words, " If the earth is round, and since earth > is a globe that revolves around the sun in this vast sky, sun and the > solar system itself is just part of this unimaginably vast universe, > then what is the importance of directions, especially in horoscope? If > the concept of directions itself only exists in the limited brain of > the local human being, then what is the point in casting destiny based > on that? " > I think this is the question that is lurking in your mind. I that I > got it right. > > > Yep Sree, kind of But also consider, if we've to restrict ourselves > howsoever fleetingly - every horoscope is itself a mere snapshot of a > predetermined chain of events. It applies to, among other matters, the > genesis and evolution of man itself and how his genre multiplies and > develops, and of those around him. My birth was predetermined, as even > a nadi leaf can tell, as were other matters over my lifespan - even my > potentials are as preset as the avenues available for me to harness > them, if at all. > > Although on a macro level, the horoscope is an almost irrelevant and > low-level analysis tool of determining events, its relevance itself > can go awry if its inputs aren't either properly comprehended or > given. And since astro is all about the sync between planets and > mankind, we've also the need to understand the darned minutiae > which brings us down to earth and what on earth it is that's east, > since that determines the oh-so-touchy ascendant > > > > So in essence, speaking scientifically, Lagna (i.e. eastern horizon > > related to, or as seen from that place) should be associated to > > the 'Angle of revolution of earth related to that place'. I think it > is clear. > > In the light of this knowledge, I think the importance of your > > question vanishes, and also the knowledge and sincerity of the saints > > who created the system of astrology gets reflected. Now do your > > homework and come forward with some new idea related to this, > > clarifying things for the benefit of us all. > > > " Do your homework " is the most difficult part for me > My question stems not with any hidden motive - I'm incapable of that > but from wanting to know how to apply the concepts of our sages > universally. I've seen cases where the lagna hangs around interminably > at one point, jumps across rasis, runs backward... the whole lot. To > try and figure things out satisfactorily is my intent. All this is a > very low-level endeavor but then I can only aim as much > > > > PS 1: Please look at your short question and the length of my answer. > > > Very flattered by the time and effort you've given my question, Sree > I long for your ilk in Groups of my principal areas of interest > (astrology doesn't much enamor me, btw). You can make a classy teacher > > > > > The person who is asking (or demanding) answer should > > understand this and ask only relevant questions and should depict > the effort he has put in that direction before expecting the answer. > > > I'm nothing if not honest, and I can assure you that I've done my bit > to try and get to the answer myself earlier, without success. I've my > own obvious limitations in the brain too > > > > Respect, co-operation, friendship, heated > > arguments, opinion difference and non-personal enmity (at times > people stretch it to personal level as well) etc are the result of > DISCUSSION METHOD, while Guru-Sishya relation or Challenger- Undertaker > relation is > > undertaker? :) > > > > the result of QUERRY-ANSWER METHOD. This groups are DISCUSSION FORUMS > > and so the first method is appreciated and expected almost by all (at > > least who understand the relevance of 'discussion forums' properly). > > > From what I've noticed, astrology has sadly the biggest set of bigots > you can hope to find. Worse than politicans in that respect. One > little different viewpoint and it starts to get personal, and then > it's an alarming wind-down from there > > > > I hope you are such an individual and a worthy member of this > > discussion forum and not a mere query poser. > > > I'm not because I'm incapable of holding a discussion but like I said, > I'm not dishonest about that. > > Take care. Guess I'll step back to lurk mode And thanks for getting > me started > > +++ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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