A Secret Exposed !! - Varaha Hora - SYMBOLISM IN ASTROLOGY

[Guest guest]

Dear Sreenadh,

 

For a long long time I was curious about the symbolism in astrology.

(It all started with the symbol for Pisces which has been used by

many to denote several things - the yin, yan, the upward and the

downward journey, the duality which balances out, etc., etc.).

 

I was very excited to read your message on the division of the signs

as Quadruped, biped, reptilian and water. Are not these the stages

of evolution in life? Life beginning in water with the reptiles

graduating to the quadrupeds and then the bipeds?

 

I am also curious about the significance of the rising of signs -

some rising with the back, some with the front and so on....What

does this sigify?

 

Once again let me express my sincere gratitude to your initiative to

open up....I was going to say Pandora's box....but that has negative

connotations, dosn;t it?....It is our basic curiousity that gets us

to open up these boxes, in any case....and when we do this we are

never satisfied.....as we hunger for more and more.

 

Puranic tales and their linkages with astrology is another topic of

interest.....but that we can discuss another time.

 

HAPPY VISHU TO ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE FORUM!!!

 

Love,

 

Vinita

[Guest guest]

Dear Vinitaji,

Now I am on leave from my work place for 10 days and is in Kerala -

busy schedule. I need some free time to prepare a detailed answer to

your request expose the detailed logics we can find behind the " Vasya

Sign " classification. Will do it soon - just lacking time.

> I was very excited to read your message on the division of

> the signs as Quadruped, biped, reptilian and water.

> Are not these the stages of evolution in life?

Some body argues like that as well. But the prime question is we

we consider it as stages of evolution or anything like that, then, we

should answer the questions -

1) Can we show any previous instances of acharyas using it in that

way?

2) What is the use of such a consideration in astrological

prediction?

Because if the symbolism is with out predictive purpose, then it is

of not much importance in astrology. Why?

Because - " Jyotisha Phalamadesa, Phalarthamarambhanam bhavati loke "

(Astrology is for prediction, all efforts are just to streamline

prediction)

> I am also curious about the significance of the rising of signs -

> some rising with the back, some with the front and so on....What

> does this sigify?

Dear friend, I am not supposed to know all answers. am I? If know

some thing about it, then teach me as well. Now for the time being

let us stick to the one thread (the Vasya thread) we have started,

let us first finish it (at least to some extend) and then we will

move on to explore some thing else.

> It is our basic curiousity that gets us

> to open up these boxes, in any case....and when we do this we are

> never satisfied.....as we hunger for more and more.

It should be like that only!! Curiosity and inquisitiveness is the

mothers of all inventions.

> Puranic tales and their linkages with astrology is another topic of

> interest.....but that we can discuss another time.

Right you said! Especially when it is very difficult to distinguish

the worthy and unworthy and statements of people about the symbolism

in Puranic literature.

Expect the detailed post later.

Love,

Sreenadh

 

, " vinita kumar "

<shankar_mamta wrote:

>

> Dear Sreenadh,

>

> For a long long time I was curious about the symbolism in

astrology.

> (It all started with the symbol for Pisces which has been used by

> many to denote several things - the yin, yan, the upward and the

> downward journey, the duality which balances out, etc., etc.).

>

> I was very excited to read your message on the division of the

signs

> as Quadruped, biped, reptilian and water. Are not these the stages

> of evolution in life? Life beginning in water with the reptiles

> graduating to the quadrupeds and then the bipeds?

>

> I am also curious about the significance of the rising of signs -

> some rising with the back, some with the front and so on....What

> does this sigify?

>

> Once again let me express my sincere gratitude to your initiative

to

> open up....I was going to say Pandora's box....but that has

negative

> connotations, dosn;t it?....It is our basic curiousity that gets us

> to open up these boxes, in any case....and when we do this we are

> never satisfied.....as we hunger for more and more.

>

> Puranic tales and their linkages with astrology is another topic of

> interest.....but that we can discuss another time.

>

> HAPPY VISHU TO ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE FORUM!!!

>

> Love,

>

> Vinita

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Shreenadh,

 

Enjoy your vacation. The answers can wait.

 

I envy u guys who can read and understand Sanskrit - and go to the

original texts. Somehow I never paid attention to Sanskrit in school

and now feel handicapped. U wrote:

 

" Jyotisha Phalamadesa, Phalarthamarambhanam bhavati loke "

(Astrology is for prediction, all efforts are just to streamline

prediction)

 

Dosn't " Jyotisha " mean Jyoti + Isha = light of god. Why should

prediction alone be important in astrology??? Was Jyotisha meant

only for predictions by the sages or to understand / comprehend /

(maybe) experience the light of god???

 

So symbolism in astrology may reveal certain hidden meanings - but

to confine or use these meanings only for prediction......? I am not

sure if that alone is the purpose of astrology.....

 

Personally I wouldn't care so much for predictions. But I do want to

understand things spoken by the sages.........

 

Do enjoy your vacation and when u have time we could talk about

these things....

 

Vinita

[Guest guest]

{om Namo Narayanaya}

Dear Vinita,

I too believe that astrology is not meant to predict alone, more to

decipher your secret code. The purpose of the very life, how well

are we living it, as it was meant to be? I feel many of our

questions would be answered if we care to probe into the finer

layers. Dont you think understanding astrology gives us a fresh

perspective of life?

 

Nalini

{Om Namah Shivaya Namah Mallikarjunaya}--- In

, " vinita kumar "

<shankar_mamta wrote:

>

> Dear Shreenadh,

>

> Enjoy your vacation. The answers can wait.

>

> I envy u guys who can read and understand Sanskrit - and go to the

> original texts. Somehow I never paid attention to Sanskrit in

school

> and now feel handicapped. U wrote:

>

> " Jyotisha Phalamadesa, Phalarthamarambhanam bhavati loke "

> (Astrology is for prediction, all efforts are just to streamline

> prediction)

>

> Dosn't " Jyotisha " mean Jyoti + Isha = light of god. Why should

> prediction alone be important in astrology??? Was Jyotisha meant

> only for predictions by the sages or to understand / comprehend /

> (maybe) experience the light of god???

>

> So symbolism in astrology may reveal certain hidden meanings - but

> to confine or use these meanings only for prediction......? I am

not

> sure if that alone is the purpose of astrology.....

>

> Personally I wouldn't care so much for predictions. But I do want

to

> understand things spoken by the sages.........

>

> Do enjoy your vacation and when u have time we could talk about

> these things....

>

> Vinita

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Vinitaji,

You asked:

> I am also curious about the significance of the rising of signs -

> some rising with the back, some with the front and so on....What

> does this signify?

I think you are mentioning the Seershodaya (rising with the head)

and Prishtodaya (rising with the back/bottom)and Uphayodaya (Rising

with head/bottom together) Signs.

The concept behind it seems to be simple. In the month of Mesha

(Aries - April 14th to May 14th), Aries rises first (after sun rise),

then Pisces, then Aquarius and so on. If we consider the sign Pisces,

the 360 deg rises first and then 359 deg, since the zodiac seems to

rotate from east-to-west due to the west-to-east revolution of earth.

Now we know that symbolic shapes are ascribed to the constellations

in each sign. During the revolution of the zodiac around earth, if

the head of that symbol appears in the eastern horizon first, then it

is called a Seershodaya sign (rising with head), and if the

legs/tail/bottom appears first then it is called Prishtodaya sign

(rising with back/bottom) and if the head and tail appear together

then it is called Uphayodaya sign (rising with head/tail together).

That is why it is considered that-

Gemini, Leo, Virgo, Scorpio, Sagittarius, Aquarius - Seershodaya

signs

Aries, Taurus, Cancer, Capricorn - Prishtodaya signs

Pisces - Uphayodaya sign.

I think it is clear. If somebody has any novel clarifying idea on

this regard, it is welcome.

PS: Expect the clarification on Vasya signs in the next mail.

Love,

Sreenadh

 

, " vinita kumar "

<shankar_mamta wrote:

>

> Dear Sreenadh,

>

> For a long long time I was curious about the symbolism in

astrology.

> (It all started with the symbol for Pisces which has been used by

> many to denote several things - the yin, yan, the upward and the

> downward journey, the duality which balances out, etc., etc.).

>

> I was very excited to read your message on the division of the

signs

> as Quadruped, biped, reptilian and water. Are not these the stages

> of evolution in life? Life beginning in water with the reptiles

> graduating to the quadrupeds and then the bipeds?

>

> I am also curious about the significance of the rising of signs -

> some rising with the back, some with the front and so on....What

> does this sigify?

>

> Once again let me express my sincere gratitude to your initiative

to

> open up....I was going to say Pandora's box....but that has

negative

> connotations, dosn;t it?....It is our basic curiousity that gets us

> to open up these boxes, in any case....and when we do this we are

> never satisfied.....as we hunger for more and more.

>

> Puranic tales and their linkages with astrology is another topic of

> interest.....but that we can discuss another time.

>

> HAPPY VISHU TO ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE FORUM!!!

>

> Love,

>

> Vinita

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Vinitaji,

The word Jyotisha does not seems to be appropriate compared to the

original word that is used to denote astrology - the words used

is " Kala Tantra " and " Kala vidhana sastra " , , meaning " subject that

deals with time " or the " science of time " .

Now coming to the word Jyotisha the better word used by our

ancestors is " JyothiHsastra " , which is a combined name for Astrology,

Astronomy and the related Mathematics. If we divide the word, it

would be as follows:

JothiHsastra = Jyotis+Sastra (and NOT jyoti+sastra).

" Jyotis " indicates the light emitting bodies, or the light

reflecting bodies as seen from earth. Thus is indicates both stars

and planets. " Sastra " means " Ancient advice " (Sasyate ithi sastra).

There fore in essence " JyotiHsastra " means " Ancient advice about

stars and planets " or if you want to use the word science then

say " Science that deals with stars and planets " .

You said:

" Jyotisha " mean Jyoti + Isha = light of god.

That meaning is entirely new to me, and never heard any one

mentioning such a meaning. If we consider the word " Jotisha " and if

we want to divide it, yes, of course we can say it is " Joti+Isha " .

But what is that " Isha " ?!! In sanskrit " Eesa " or " Esana " is god, god

Siva, who is the lord of North-West direction. But what is " Isha " ?!

How can we say that it means " God " ? If you have any reference, please

provide.

If we consider the subject matter of astrology, we will recognize

that it deals with destiny, the rhythm of solar system, and movements

of planets and mathematical points, though all of which TIME runs as

a connecting thread. It is better scientific, when known as

the " subject that deals with time " or the " science of time " rather

than " Ancient advice about stars and planets " . The demerit of the

second definition is that in predictive astrology we are not at all

dealing with the stars, but only with Nakshatras (fixed area in sky

covering an area of 13 deg 20 min). Still, the words Kala Tantra,

Kala vidhana sastra, Jyotisastra are better than the word " Jyothisha "

I would say.

Love,

Sreenadh

 

, " vinita kumar "

<shankar_mamta wrote:

>

> Dear Shreenadh,

>

> Enjoy your vacation. The answers can wait.

>

> I envy u guys who can read and understand Sanskrit - and go to the

> original texts. Somehow I never paid attention to Sanskrit in

school

> and now feel handicapped. U wrote:

>

> " Jyotisha Phalamadesa, Phalarthamarambhanam bhavati loke "

> (Astrology is for prediction, all efforts are just to streamline

> prediction)

>

> Dosn't " Jyotisha " mean Jyoti + Isha = light of god. Why should

> prediction alone be important in astrology??? Was Jyotisha meant

> only for predictions by the sages or to understand / comprehend /

> (maybe) experience the light of god???

>

> So symbolism in astrology may reveal certain hidden meanings - but

> to confine or use these meanings only for prediction......? I am

not

> sure if that alone is the purpose of astrology.....

>

> Personally I wouldn't care so much for predictions. But I do want

to

> understand things spoken by the sages.........

>

> Do enjoy your vacation and when u have time we could talk about

> these things....

>

> Vinita

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Shreenadh,

 

 

" Jyotisha " mean Jyoti + Isha = light of god.

 

That meaning is entirely new to me, and never heard any one

mentioning such a meaning. If you have any reference, please

provide.

 

No dear, I have no reference to provide....Just thought that if

anyone wants to KNOW TIME, he should have the LIGHT OF GOD shine on

him bright and clear.

 

 

The demerit of the

second definition is that in predictive astrology we are not at all

dealing with the stars, but only with Nakshatras (fixed area in sky

covering an area of 13 deg 20 min).

 

Time is always with regard to motions....motions with respect to

something fixed like the Nakshatras....i remember reading somewhere

that if there was no movement with reference to something fixed,

there would be no time, according to the theory of relativity.

 

My question is: Do the signs of the zodiac / the nakshatras always

cover an area of 30 degrees / 13 deg 20 min, respectively? Or they

are unenvenly placed? For instance, some people believe in unequal

division of the zodiac.

 

I came across an interesting link regarding how the 0 point in the

zodiac would determine the extent to which there is equal division

of the signs (and the nakshatras?).

 

Intuitively, it is difficult to think of how each nakshatra could be

placed EXACTLY at a distance of 13 deg 20 min from the other, just

as it is difficult to imagine that all the constellations/signs of

the zodiac can be contained EXACTLY within 30 degrees.

 

Pardon the ignorance of somebody who neither knows astronomy nor

astrology and so keeps asking stupid questions.

 

Love,

 

Vinita

 

 

, " Sreenadh "

<sreesog wrote:

>

> Dear Vinitaji,

> The word Jyotisha does not seems to be appropriate compared to

the

> original word that is used to denote astrology - the words used

> is " Kala Tantra " and " Kala vidhana sastra " , , meaning " subject

that

> deals with time " or the " science of time " .

> Now coming to the word Jyotisha the better word used by our

> ancestors is " JyothiHsastra " , which is a combined name for

Astrology,

> Astronomy and the related Mathematics. If we divide the word, it

> would be as follows:

> JothiHsastra = Jyotis+Sastra (and NOT jyoti+sastra).

> " Jyotis " indicates the light emitting bodies, or the light

> reflecting bodies as seen from earth. Thus is indicates both stars

> and planets. " Sastra " means " Ancient advice " (Sasyate ithi

sastra).

> There fore in essence " JyotiHsastra " means " Ancient advice about

> stars and planets " or if you want to use the word science then

> say " Science that deals with stars and planets " .

> You said:

> " Jyotisha " mean Jyoti + Isha = light of god.

> That meaning is entirely new to me, and never heard any one

> mentioning such a meaning. If we consider the word " Jotisha " and

if

> we want to divide it, yes, of course we can say it is " Joti+Isha " .

> But what is that " Isha " ?!! In sanskrit " Eesa " or " Esana " is god,

god

> Siva, who is the lord of North-West direction. But what

is " Isha " ?!

> How can we say that it means " God " ? If you have any reference,

please

> provide.

> If we consider the subject matter of astrology, we will recognize

> that it deals with destiny, the rhythm of solar system, and

movements

> of planets and mathematical points, though all of which TIME runs

as

> a connecting thread. It is better scientific, when known as

> the " subject that deals with time " or the " science of time " rather

> than " Ancient advice about stars and planets " . The demerit of the

> second definition is that in predictive astrology we are not at

all

> dealing with the stars, but only with Nakshatras (fixed area in

sky

> covering an area of 13 deg 20 min). Still, the words Kala Tantra,

> Kala vidhana sastra, Jyotisastra are better than the

word " Jyothisha "

> I would say.

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> , " vinita kumar "

> <shankar_mamta@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Shreenadh,

> >

> > Enjoy your vacation. The answers can wait.

> >

> > I envy u guys who can read and understand Sanskrit - and go to

the

> > original texts. Somehow I never paid attention to Sanskrit in

> school

> > and now feel handicapped. U wrote:

> >

> > " Jyotisha Phalamadesa, Phalarthamarambhanam bhavati loke "

> > (Astrology is for prediction, all efforts are just to streamline

> > prediction)

> >

> > Dosn't " Jyotisha " mean Jyoti + Isha = light of god. Why should

> > prediction alone be important in astrology??? Was Jyotisha meant

> > only for predictions by the sages or to understand /

comprehend /

> > (maybe) experience the light of god???

> >

> > So symbolism in astrology may reveal certain hidden meanings -

but

> > to confine or use these meanings only for prediction......? I am

> not

> > sure if that alone is the purpose of astrology.....

> >

> > Personally I wouldn't care so much for predictions. But I do

want

> to

> > understand things spoken by the sages.........

> >

> > Do enjoy your vacation and when u have time we could talk about

> > these things....

> >

> > Vinita

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Shreenadh,

 

U wrote,

 

During the revolution of the zodiac around earth, if

the head of that symbol appears in the eastern horizon first, then it

is called a Seershodaya sign (rising with head), and if the

legs/tail/bottom appears first then it is called Prishtodaya sign

(rising with back/bottom) and if the head and tail appear together

then it is called Uphayodaya sign (rising with head/tail together).

 

What I want to know is what is the significance of this for Kala

Tantra???

 

Love,

 

Vinita

 

, " Sreenadh "

<sreesog wrote:

>

> Dear Vinitaji,

> You asked:

> > I am also curious about the significance of the rising of signs -

 

> > some rising with the back, some with the front and so on....What

> > does this signify?

> I think you are mentioning the Seershodaya (rising with the head)

> and Prishtodaya (rising with the back/bottom)and Uphayodaya

(Rising

> with head/bottom together) Signs.

> The concept behind it seems to be simple. In the month of Mesha

> (Aries - April 14th to May 14th), Aries rises first (after sun

rise),

> then Pisces, then Aquarius and so on. If we consider the sign

Pisces,

> the 360 deg rises first and then 359 deg, since the zodiac seems

to

> rotate from east-to-west due to the west-to-east revolution of

earth.

> Now we know that symbolic shapes are ascribed to the

constellations

> in each sign. During the revolution of the zodiac around earth, if

> the head of that symbol appears in the eastern horizon first, then

it

> is called a Seershodaya sign (rising with head), and if the

> legs/tail/bottom appears first then it is called Prishtodaya sign

> (rising with back/bottom) and if the head and tail appear together

> then it is called Uphayodaya sign (rising with head/tail

together).

> That is why it is considered that-

> Gemini, Leo, Virgo, Scorpio, Sagittarius, Aquarius - Seershodaya

> signs

> Aries, Taurus, Cancer, Capricorn - Prishtodaya signs

> Pisces - Uphayodaya sign.

> I think it is clear. If somebody has any novel clarifying idea on

> this regard, it is welcome.

> PS: Expect the clarification on Vasya signs in the next mail.

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> , " vinita kumar "

> <shankar_mamta@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sreenadh,

> >

> > For a long long time I was curious about the symbolism in

> astrology.

> > (It all started with the symbol for Pisces which has been used

by

> > many to denote several things - the yin, yan, the upward and the

> > downward journey, the duality which balances out, etc., etc.).

> >

> > I was very excited to read your message on the division of the

> signs

> > as Quadruped, biped, reptilian and water. Are not these the

stages

> > of evolution in life? Life beginning in water with the reptiles

> > graduating to the quadrupeds and then the bipeds?

> >

> > I am also curious about the significance of the rising of signs -

 

> > some rising with the back, some with the front and so on....What

> > does this sigify?

> >

> > Once again let me express my sincere gratitude to your

initiative

> to

> > open up....I was going to say Pandora's box....but that has

> negative

> > connotations, dosn;t it?....It is our basic curiousity that gets

us

> > to open up these boxes, in any case....and when we do this we

are

> > never satisfied.....as we hunger for more and more.

> >

> > Puranic tales and their linkages with astrology is another topic

of

> > interest.....but that we can discuss another time.

> >

> > HAPPY VISHU TO ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE FORUM!!!

> >

> > Love,

> >

> > Vinita

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Vinita ji,

You said:

> " Jyotisha " mean Jyoti + Isha = light of god.

I disagree - and is providing my thoughts on the word " Jyotisha " .

==================================================================

The Origin of the word " Jotisha "

================================

The ancient names for astrology were Kala Tantra (Science of Time),

Kala Vidhana Sastra (Study of classification of time - i.e. Calendar

system), Jyotisastra (Study of light emitting or light reflecting

celestial bodies) etc. This branch of knowledge was also known as

Jyotishmati (An intellect/brain enlightened by the thoughts on cosmic

spheres & light sources) from the period of Atharva Veda. 'Mati'

means intelligence and also denotes an individual with intelligence,

brainy person. The first text on astrology, i.e. Skanda Hora (as per

Arsha school) is also known as 'Jyotishmati'. It is said that

Jyotishmati text (Skanda Hora) is the appendix of Atharva Veda

(Atharva Khila), and is an Upanishad. Many slokas from this text is

available even today. Only a person with Jyotishmati (An intellect

enlightened by the thoughts on cosmic spheres & light sources) can

predict accurately. May be the word 'Jyotish' is the natural

abbreviation of the ancient word 'Jyotishmati', which denotes

astrology, astrological texts, and the astrologer. The exact meaning

of the word 'Jyotish' alone would be 'light related' and does not

seems to depict the exact subject matter of astrology.

=====================================================================

> Time is always with regard to motions....motions with respect to

> something fixed like the Nakshatras....i remember reading somewhere

> that if there was no movement with reference to something fixed,

> there would be no time, according to the theory of relativity.

We should better think according to relativity - as per context.

Newton's law of gravitation is wrong as per Einstein and there is no

force called gravitation but only curvature of space. But this

statement does not keep us away from using Newton's laws of motion

when we consider the planetary movements in solar system. Same is the

case with 'Fixed' areas in sky - Nakshatras.

As you brought relativity, movements etc into picture - I would just

like pose a puzzle.

As per Newton, the force or attraction between two bodies is

proportional to their mass and the distance between them. You know it

right? I am just twisting the context-

The force of attraction one body exerts on another depends on the

mass of the other body and the distance between them! This means that

the first body should 'KNOW' the mass of the other body and the

distance between them before hand!! And gravitation depends on that!

How an inert body can 'KNOW' the existence of the other body - is it

that Newton wants to say that every body has a 'Mind' within?!

Now may be you could see, how things could be misinterpreted,

when taken out of context, or out of the framework where they are

supposed to be used. In Science they use the word 'System' to denote

the framework with in which each concept is valid. Same is true for

the concepts used in any holistic subject. Yes, I suggest, dive deep

into the subject and understand the importance of the

concept 'System' or 'Frame work' used both in Scientific and Holistic

study methods.

> I came across an interesting link regarding how the 0 point in the

> zodiac would determine the extent to which there is equal division

> of the signs (and the nakshatras?).

> Intuitively, it is difficult to think of how each nakshatra

> could be placed EXACTLY at a distance of 13 deg 20 min from the

> other, just as it is difficult to imagine that all the

> constellations/signs of the zodiac can be contained EXACTLY

> within 30 degrees.

Signs and Nakshatras are mathematical divisions of the ecliptic, and

in the current developmental stage of astrology has nothing to do

with the imaginary shape of stellar constellations. If you want to

know more about the mathematics and concepts behind the fixing of

Zero point in the zodiac, and also how the signs and Nakshatras got

divided, first go to the files section of this group and read the

files in the folder named " Chandra Hari " and also the articles I

wrote about the works mathematical proofs provided by Chandrahari,

which you will find in the folder named " Sreenadh " in the files

section.

PS: We may find several questions for which none of us have any

answer. But yes, we can enquire, search, ask others, and yes, when we

are genuinely interested some answers will pope up from some corners

when the time is ripe.

Thanks for the good mail which initiates an interesting discussion.

" Ohm...Sahanavavatu...Sahanou bhunaktu...

Sahaveeryam Karavavahi.......Tejasweenamadhenamastu...

ma..Vidishavahai......Ohm....Santi..Santi..Santi.. "

Love,

Sreenadh

 

, " vinita kumar "

<shankar_mamta wrote:

>

> Dear Shreenadh,

>

>

> " Jyotisha " mean Jyoti + Isha = light of god.

>

> That meaning is entirely new to me, and never heard any one

> mentioning such a meaning. If you have any reference, please

> provide.

>

> No dear, I have no reference to provide....Just thought that if

> anyone wants to KNOW TIME, he should have the LIGHT OF GOD shine on

> him bright and clear.

>

>

> The demerit of the

> second definition is that in predictive astrology we are not at all

> dealing with the stars, but only with Nakshatras (fixed area in sky

> covering an area of 13 deg 20 min).

>

> Time is always with regard to motions....motions with respect to

> something fixed like the Nakshatras....i remember reading somewhere

> that if there was no movement with reference to something fixed,

> there would be no time, according to the theory of relativity.

>

> My question is: Do the signs of the zodiac / the nakshatras always

> cover an area of 30 degrees / 13 deg 20 min, respectively? Or they

> are unenvenly placed? For instance, some people believe in unequal

> division of the zodiac.

>

> I came across an interesting link regarding how the 0 point in the

> zodiac would determine the extent to which there is equal division

> of the signs (and the nakshatras?).

>

> Intuitively, it is difficult to think of how each nakshatra could

be

> placed EXACTLY at a distance of 13 deg 20 min from the other, just

> as it is difficult to imagine that all the constellations/signs of

> the zodiac can be contained EXACTLY within 30 degrees.

>

> Pardon the ignorance of somebody who neither knows astronomy nor

> astrology and so keeps asking stupid questions.

>

> Love,

>

> Vinita

>

>

> , " Sreenadh "

> <sreesog@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Vinitaji,

> > The word Jyotisha does not seems to be appropriate compared to

> the

> > original word that is used to denote astrology - the words used

> > is " Kala Tantra " and " Kala vidhana sastra " , , meaning " subject

> that

> > deals with time " or the " science of time " .

> > Now coming to the word Jyotisha the better word used by our

> > ancestors is " JyothiHsastra " , which is a combined name for

> Astrology,

> > Astronomy and the related Mathematics. If we divide the word, it

> > would be as follows:

> > JothiHsastra = Jyotis+Sastra (and NOT jyoti+sastra).

> > " Jyotis " indicates the light emitting bodies, or the light

> > reflecting bodies as seen from earth. Thus is indicates both

stars

> > and planets. " Sastra " means " Ancient advice " (Sasyate ithi

> sastra).

> > There fore in essence " JyotiHsastra " means " Ancient advice about

> > stars and planets " or if you want to use the word science then

> > say " Science that deals with stars and planets " .

> > You said:

> > " Jyotisha " mean Jyoti + Isha = light of god.

> > That meaning is entirely new to me, and never heard any one

> > mentioning such a meaning. If we consider the word " Jotisha " and

> if

> > we want to divide it, yes, of course we can say it

is " Joti+Isha " .

> > But what is that " Isha " ?!! In sanskrit " Eesa " or " Esana " is god,

> god

> > Siva, who is the lord of North-West direction. But what

> is " Isha " ?!

> > How can we say that it means " God " ? If you have any reference,

> please

> > provide.

> > If we consider the subject matter of astrology, we will

recognize

> > that it deals with destiny, the rhythm of solar system, and

> movements

> > of planets and mathematical points, though all of which TIME runs

> as

> > a connecting thread. It is better scientific, when known as

> > the " subject that deals with time " or the " science of time "

rather

> > than " Ancient advice about stars and planets " . The demerit of the

> > second definition is that in predictive astrology we are not at

> all

> > dealing with the stars, but only with Nakshatras (fixed area in

> sky

> > covering an area of 13 deg 20 min). Still, the words Kala Tantra,

> > Kala vidhana sastra, Jyotisastra are better than the

> word " Jyothisha "

> > I would say.

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > , " vinita kumar "

> > <shankar_mamta@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Shreenadh,

> > >

> > > Enjoy your vacation. The answers can wait.

> > >

> > > I envy u guys who can read and understand Sanskrit - and go to

> the

> > > original texts. Somehow I never paid attention to Sanskrit in

> > school

> > > and now feel handicapped. U wrote:

> > >

> > > " Jyotisha Phalamadesa, Phalarthamarambhanam bhavati loke "

> > > (Astrology is for prediction, all efforts are just to streamline

> > > prediction)

> > >

> > > Dosn't " Jyotisha " mean Jyoti + Isha = light of god. Why should

> > > prediction alone be important in astrology??? Was Jyotisha

meant

> > > only for predictions by the sages or to understand /

> comprehend /

> > > (maybe) experience the light of god???

> > >

> > > So symbolism in astrology may reveal certain hidden meanings -

> but

> > > to confine or use these meanings only for prediction......? I

am

> > not

> > > sure if that alone is the purpose of astrology.....

> > >

> > > Personally I wouldn't care so much for predictions. But I do

> want

> > to

> > > understand things spoken by the sages.........

> > >

> > > Do enjoy your vacation and when u have time we could talk about

> > > these things....

> > >

> > > Vinita

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Shreenadh,

 

I dont think we disagree afterall

 

U have quoted from various places and said

" Jyotisastra (Study of light emitting or light reflecting

> celestial bodies) etc. This branch of knowledge was also known as

> Jyotishmati (An intellect/brain enlightened by the thoughts on

cosmic

> spheres & light sources) from the period of Atharva Veda. 'Mati'

> means intelligence and also denotes an individual with

intelligence,

> brainy person. "

 

I dont find this very different from " if anyone wants to KNOW TIME,

he should have the LIGHT OF GOD shine on him bright and clear. " Such

a person alone can have jyotishmati to study jyotishastra, the way

it is defined above.

 

 

As for two bodies " knowing " Newton's law of attraction, could there

not be an intellegence, a mati, in the so called inanimate objects

too. Energy is the other side of matter and all energy is

intelligent.

 

 

Sorry for my half baked knowledge about the 0 point in the zodiac.

I'll definintely see the file section. All that i was getting at was

that sometimes there may be a " spilling over " of some constellations

into the next 30* arc of the zodiac.

 

Finally about " systems " and " frameworks " in science. Unfortunately,

my knowledge of science is confined to Standard VIII way back in the

sixties, beyond which i did not pursue this subject academically.

But the cartesian trend of boxing things into systems and frameworks

which appear to be so disparate / separate may not gel very well

with this whole big wide beautiful universe where boundaries may

have no meaning (perhaps).........;)

 

Anyway, I would love to chat with u as u bring out real gems from

ancient texts which i know nothing about....including those relating

to the meaning of Jyotisha!!!

 

Love,

Vinita

 

 

, " Sreenadh "

<sreesog wrote:

>

> Dear Vinita ji,

> You said:

> > " Jyotisha " mean Jyoti + Isha = light of god.

> I disagree - and is providing my thoughts on the word " Jyotisha " .

> ==================================================================

> The Origin of the word " Jotisha "

> ================================

> The ancient names for astrology were Kala Tantra (Science of

Time),

> Kala Vidhana Sastra (Study of classification of time - i.e.

Calendar

> system), Jyotisastra (Study of light emitting or light reflecting

> celestial bodies) etc. This branch of knowledge was also known as

> Jyotishmati (An intellect/brain enlightened by the thoughts on

cosmic

> spheres & light sources) from the period of Atharva Veda. 'Mati'

> means intelligence and also denotes an individual with

intelligence,

> brainy person. The first text on astrology, i.e. Skanda Hora (as

per

> Arsha school) is also known as 'Jyotishmati'. It is said that

> Jyotishmati text (Skanda Hora) is the appendix of Atharva Veda

> (Atharva Khila), and is an Upanishad. Many slokas from this text

is

> available even today. Only a person with Jyotishmati (An intellect

> enlightened by the thoughts on cosmic spheres & light sources) can

> predict accurately. May be the word 'Jyotish' is the natural

> abbreviation of the ancient word 'Jyotishmati', which denotes

> astrology, astrological texts, and the astrologer. The exact

meaning

> of the word 'Jyotish' alone would be 'light related' and does not

> seems to depict the exact subject matter of astrology.

>

=====================================================================

 

> > Time is always with regard to motions....motions with respect to

> > something fixed like the Nakshatras....i remember reading

somewhere

> > that if there was no movement with reference to something fixed,

> > there would be no time, according to the theory of relativity.

> We should better think according to relativity - as per

context.

> Newton's law of gravitation is wrong as per Einstein and there is

no

> force called gravitation but only curvature of space. But this

> statement does not keep us away from using Newton's laws of motion

> when we consider the planetary movements in solar system. Same is

the

> case with 'Fixed' areas in sky - Nakshatras.

> As you brought relativity, movements etc into picture - I would

just

> like pose a puzzle.

> As per Newton, the force or attraction between two bodies is

> proportional to their mass and the distance between them. You know

it

> right? I am just twisting the context-

> The force of attraction one body exerts on another depends on the

> mass of the other body and the distance between them! This means

that

> the first body should 'KNOW' the mass of the other body and the

> distance between them before hand!! And gravitation depends on

that!

> How an inert body can 'KNOW' the existence of the other body - is

it

> that Newton wants to say that every body has a 'Mind' within?!

> Now may be you could see, how things could be misinterpreted,

> when taken out of context, or out of the framework where they are

> supposed to be used. In Science they use the word 'System' to

denote

> the framework with in which each concept is valid. Same is true

for

> the concepts used in any holistic subject. Yes, I suggest, dive

deep

> into the subject and understand the importance of the

> concept 'System' or 'Frame work' used both in Scientific and

Holistic

> study methods.

> > I came across an interesting link regarding how the 0 point in

the

> > zodiac would determine the extent to which there is equal

division

> > of the signs (and the nakshatras?).

> > Intuitively, it is difficult to think of how each nakshatra

> > could be placed EXACTLY at a distance of 13 deg 20 min from the

> > other, just as it is difficult to imagine that all the

> > constellations/signs of the zodiac can be contained EXACTLY

> > within 30 degrees.

> Signs and Nakshatras are mathematical divisions of the ecliptic,

and

> in the current developmental stage of astrology has nothing to do

> with the imaginary shape of stellar constellations. If you want to

> know more about the mathematics and concepts behind the fixing of

> Zero point in the zodiac, and also how the signs and Nakshatras

got

> divided, first go to the files section of this group and read the

> files in the folder named " Chandra Hari " and also the articles I

> wrote about the works mathematical proofs provided by Chandrahari,

> which you will find in the folder named " Sreenadh " in the files

> section.

> PS: We may find several questions for which none of us have any

> answer. But yes, we can enquire, search, ask others, and yes, when

we

> are genuinely interested some answers will pope up from some

corners

> when the time is ripe.

> Thanks for the good mail which initiates an interesting discussion.

> " Ohm...Sahanavavatu...Sahanou bhunaktu...

> Sahaveeryam Karavavahi.......Tejasweenamadhenamastu...

> ma..Vidishavahai......Ohm....Santi..Santi..Santi.. "

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> , " vinita kumar "

> <shankar_mamta@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Shreenadh,

> >

> >

> > " Jyotisha " mean Jyoti + Isha = light of god.

> >

> > That meaning is entirely new to me, and never heard any one

> > mentioning such a meaning. If you have any reference, please

> > provide.

> >

> > No dear, I have no reference to provide....Just thought that if

> > anyone wants to KNOW TIME, he should have the LIGHT OF GOD shine

on

> > him bright and clear.

> >

> >

> > The demerit of the

> > second definition is that in predictive astrology we are not at

all

> > dealing with the stars, but only with Nakshatras (fixed area in

sky

> > covering an area of 13 deg 20 min).

> >

> > Time is always with regard to motions....motions with respect to

> > something fixed like the Nakshatras....i remember reading

somewhere

> > that if there was no movement with reference to something fixed,

> > there would be no time, according to the theory of relativity.

> >

> > My question is: Do the signs of the zodiac / the nakshatras

always

> > cover an area of 30 degrees / 13 deg 20 min, respectively? Or

they

> > are unenvenly placed? For instance, some people believe in

unequal

> > division of the zodiac.

> >

> > I came across an interesting link regarding how the 0 point in

the

> > zodiac would determine the extent to which there is equal

division

> > of the signs (and the nakshatras?).

> >

> > Intuitively, it is difficult to think of how each nakshatra

could

> be

> > placed EXACTLY at a distance of 13 deg 20 min from the other,

just

> > as it is difficult to imagine that all the constellations/signs

of

> > the zodiac can be contained EXACTLY within 30 degrees.

> >

> > Pardon the ignorance of somebody who neither knows astronomy nor

> > astrology and so keeps asking stupid questions.

> >

> > Love,

> >

> > Vinita

> >

> >

> > , " Sreenadh "

> > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Vinitaji,

> > > The word Jyotisha does not seems to be appropriate compared

to

> > the

> > > original word that is used to denote astrology - the words

used

> > > is " Kala Tantra " and " Kala vidhana sastra " , , meaning " subject

> > that

> > > deals with time " or the " science of time " .

> > > Now coming to the word Jyotisha the better word used by our

> > > ancestors is " JyothiHsastra " , which is a combined name for

> > Astrology,

> > > Astronomy and the related Mathematics. If we divide the word,

it

> > > would be as follows:

> > > JothiHsastra = Jyotis+Sastra (and NOT jyoti+sastra).

> > > " Jyotis " indicates the light emitting bodies, or the light

> > > reflecting bodies as seen from earth. Thus is indicates both

> stars

> > > and planets. " Sastra " means " Ancient advice " (Sasyate ithi

> > sastra).

> > > There fore in essence " JyotiHsastra " means " Ancient advice

about

> > > stars and planets " or if you want to use the word science then

> > > say " Science that deals with stars and planets " .

> > > You said:

> > > " Jyotisha " mean Jyoti + Isha = light of god.

> > > That meaning is entirely new to me, and never heard any one

> > > mentioning such a meaning. If we consider the word " Jotisha "

and

> > if

> > > we want to divide it, yes, of course we can say it

> is " Joti+Isha " .

> > > But what is that " Isha " ?!! In sanskrit " Eesa " or " Esana " is

god,

> > god

> > > Siva, who is the lord of North-West direction. But what

> > is " Isha " ?!

> > > How can we say that it means " God " ? If you have any reference,

> > please

> > > provide.

> > > If we consider the subject matter of astrology, we will

> recognize

> > > that it deals with destiny, the rhythm of solar system, and

> > movements

> > > of planets and mathematical points, though all of which TIME

runs

> > as

> > > a connecting thread. It is better scientific, when known as

> > > the " subject that deals with time " or the " science of time "

> rather

> > > than " Ancient advice about stars and planets " . The demerit of

the

> > > second definition is that in predictive astrology we are not

at

> > all

> > > dealing with the stars, but only with Nakshatras (fixed area

in

> > sky

> > > covering an area of 13 deg 20 min). Still, the words Kala

Tantra,

> > > Kala vidhana sastra, Jyotisastra are better than the

> > word " Jyothisha "

> > > I would say.

> > > Love,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > > , " vinita

kumar "

> > > <shankar_mamta@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Shreenadh,

> > > >

> > > > Enjoy your vacation. The answers can wait.

> > > >

> > > > I envy u guys who can read and understand Sanskrit - and go

to

> > the

> > > > original texts. Somehow I never paid attention to Sanskrit

in

> > > school

> > > > and now feel handicapped. U wrote:

> > > >

> > > > " Jyotisha Phalamadesa, Phalarthamarambhanam bhavati loke "

> > > > (Astrology is for prediction, all efforts are just to

streamline

> > > > prediction)

> > > >

> > > > Dosn't " Jyotisha " mean Jyoti + Isha = light of god. Why

should

> > > > prediction alone be important in astrology??? Was Jyotisha

> meant

> > > > only for predictions by the sages or to understand /

> > comprehend /

> > > > (maybe) experience the light of god???

> > > >

> > > > So symbolism in astrology may reveal certain hidden

meanings -

> > but

> > > > to confine or use these meanings only for prediction......?

I

> am

> > > not

> > > > sure if that alone is the purpose of astrology.....

> > > >

> > > > Personally I wouldn't care so much for predictions. But I do

> > want

> > > to

> > > > understand things spoken by the sages.........

> > > >

> > > > Do enjoy your vacation and when u have time we could talk

about

> > > > these things....

> > > >

> > > > Vinita

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Vinita ji,

The first answer that came to my mind is a statement without

politeness - " Read Krishneeyam and Dasadhyayi. It is there in it. Am

I supposed to teach all this?! "

But then again looking at that question, I felt " No, I shouldn't

speak like that. There is something more god wants to teach me, even

with this simple question " . And I thought more about the Seershodaya

divisions and the result is given below. Dear Vinita ji, thanks for

probing and bringing out this result.

=====================================================================

Divisions Such as Seershodaya

=============================

There seems to be a controversy related to the division of zodiac

signs into Seershodaya, Prishtodaya and Ubhayodaya. In Varaha Hora it

is stated that,

Aries, Taurus, Cancer, Sagittarius, Capricorn - Prishtodaya signs

Gemini, Leo, Virgo, Libra, Scorpio, Aquarius - Seershodaya signs

Pisces - Ubhayodaya sign

What is the logic behind?

During the revolution of the zodiac around earth, if the head of

that symbol appears in the eastern horizon first, then it is called a

Seershodaya sign (rising with head), and if the legs/tail/bottom

appears first then it is called Prishtodaya sign (rising with

back/bottom) and if the head and tail appear together then it is

called Uphayodaya sign (rising with head/tail together).

But this answer is not complete, since Seershodaya means, " rise with

the head " . When? While birth!!!

This means only human signs can be Seershodaya signs, and all the

other signs should be Prishtodaya signs except Pisces, which is an

Ubhayodaya sign! Let us verify the divisions of signs into

Seershodaya etc as per this second logic.

But there seems to be exceptions. Let us verify them.

1) As we could see Sagittarius is partly human sign, but still it is

considered Prishtodaya. Why? Because the second half of the

Sagittarius sign rises first on the eastern horizon and that part is

a Quadruped. Therefore it is OK to term Sagittarius as Prishtodaya.

2) Scorpio is a Reptile sign, and so it should be Prishtodaya. But

Mihira says that it is Seershodaya sign! But if we refer the ancient

texts, Skanda Hora and in Parasara Hora considers Scorpio as

Prishtodaya! So even though the head of the symbol Scorpio rises

first in the eastern horizon, since it is a reptile sign (and not a

human sign), I would like to follow the opinion of Skanda and

Parasara, and support the view that it is a Prishtodaya sign.

3) Leo is a Quadruped sign, so it should be Prishtodaya as per the

second logic. But Mihira says that Leo is a Seershodaya sign! Skanda

Hora Keeps quiet on this issue(What was his opinion?), but Parasara

boldly states that it is a Seershodaya sign! I would have to drop the

second logic at least for Leo, since I don't have any authority to

reject the opinion of the great sage Parasara. So let us agree to the

view that Leo is Seershodaya.

4) There is no controversy on the fact that Pisces is an Ubhayodaya

sign.

But I am satisfied. Why? Because there seems to be clear cut

logic working behind the classification of signs into Seershodaya,

Prishtodaya and Ubhayodaya.

What is the significance of this for Astrology?

The astrological prediction system is 7-fold. i.e. Sign, House,

Planet, Sign-House, Sign-Planet, House-Planet, Sign-House-Planet

prediction systems forms the base of it.

For sign based predictions assigning various characteristics to the

sign which is the base module fore prediction is a must. And that is

why the Symbolic shapes, Male-Female classification, Chara-Stira-

Ubhaya classification, Krita-Dwapara-Treta-Kali Yuga classification,

Earth-Water-Fire-Air-Sky classification etc is assigned to the signs.

Similar is the case with Seershodaya-Prishtodaya-Ubhayodaya

classification. These classifications teach us how to predict with a

sign, especially when no planet is posited in it.

For example, Krishneeyam says:

If the Lagna is Seershodaya sign predict beneficial results, if it

is Prishtodaya then predict malefic results, if it is Ubhayodaya

predict a mixture of the two - Especially when no planet is placed in

it.

A person born in Seershodaya sign would be fast learning, with good

short memory. A person born in Prishtodaya sign would be slow

learning, but with good long-term memory. Ubhayodaya - mix of the

two.

A planet placed in Seershodaya sign with give beneficial results at

the beginning of the Dasa, while a planet placed in Prishtodaya sign

will give beneficial results at the end of the Dasa. A planet placed

in Ubhayodaya sign will give beneficial results at the middle of the

Dasa.

A benefic planet placed in Seershodaya sign will give better

results, while a malefic planet placed in Prishtodaya sign will give

worse results.

In Prasna if the question is similar to " My expectations will come

true or not? " then, if Lagna is Seershodaya sign then beneficial

result follows, and if the Lagna is Prishtodaya sign then the

expectations will not fructify. In a Prasna related to Disease, if

the Lagna happens to be a Seershodaya sign then the major stage of

the disease is over, and now it is going to cure gradually.

All these are important especially when there is no planet present

in Lagna. Planet placed in Lagna modifies the results indicated by

the sign.

Like this the Seershodaya-Prishtodaya-Ubhayodaya classification can

be useful in many instances. If you want to know more read,

Krishneeyam, Dashadhyayi, Shadpanchasika or the like. This

classification is part of the Sign based prediction system.

=====================================================================

Dear vinita ji, I have noticed the conflicting opinions of saints on

this Seershodya-Prishtodaya-Ubhayodya classification only when you

probed, and requested for more info on the same. Thanks for that -

and pardon the harsh primary thoughts that came to my mind.

Ohm… Sahanavavatu… Sahanou bhunaktu….Sahaveeryam karavavahai…

Ma… Vidishavahai….Ohm….Santi…Santi…Santi……………………….

Love,

Sreenath

 

, " vinita kumar "

<shankar_mamta wrote:

>

> Dear Shreenadh,

>

> U wrote,

>

> During the revolution of the zodiac around earth, if

> the head of that symbol appears in the eastern horizon first, then

it

> is called a Seershodaya sign (rising with head), and if the

> legs/tail/bottom appears first then it is called Prishtodaya sign

> (rising with back/bottom) and if the head and tail appear together

> then it is called Uphayodaya sign (rising with head/tail together).

>

> What I want to know is what is the significance of this for Kala

> Tantra???

>

> Love,

>

> Vinita

>

> , " Sreenadh "

> <sreesog@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Vinitaji,

> > You asked:

> > > I am also curious about the significance of the rising of

signs -

>

> > > some rising with the back, some with the front and so

on....What

> > > does this signify?

> > I think you are mentioning the Seershodaya (rising with the

head)

> > and Prishtodaya (rising with the back/bottom)and Uphayodaya

> (Rising

> > with head/bottom together) Signs.

> > The concept behind it seems to be simple. In the month of Mesha

> > (Aries - April 14th to May 14th), Aries rises first (after sun

> rise),

> > then Pisces, then Aquarius and so on. If we consider the sign

> Pisces,

> > the 360 deg rises first and then 359 deg, since the zodiac seems

> to

> > rotate from east-to-west due to the west-to-east revolution of

> earth.

> > Now we know that symbolic shapes are ascribed to the

> constellations

> > in each sign. During the revolution of the zodiac around earth,

if

> > the head of that symbol appears in the eastern horizon first,

then

> it

> > is called a Seershodaya sign (rising with head), and if the

> > legs/tail/bottom appears first then it is called Prishtodaya sign

> > (rising with back/bottom) and if the head and tail appear

together

> > then it is called Uphayodaya sign (rising with head/tail

> together).

> > That is why it is considered that-

> > Gemini, Leo, Virgo, Scorpio, Sagittarius, Aquarius -

Seershodaya

> > signs

> > Aries, Taurus, Cancer, Capricorn - Prishtodaya signs

> > Pisces - Uphayodaya sign.

> > I think it is clear. If somebody has any novel clarifying idea

on

> > this regard, it is welcome.

> > PS: Expect the clarification on Vasya signs in the next mail.

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > , " vinita kumar "

> > <shankar_mamta@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sreenadh,

> > >

> > > For a long long time I was curious about the symbolism in

> > astrology.

> > > (It all started with the symbol for Pisces which has been used

> by

> > > many to denote several things - the yin, yan, the upward and

the

> > > downward journey, the duality which balances out, etc., etc.).

> > >

> > > I was very excited to read your message on the division of the

> > signs

> > > as Quadruped, biped, reptilian and water. Are not these the

> stages

> > > of evolution in life? Life beginning in water with the reptiles

> > > graduating to the quadrupeds and then the bipeds?

> > >

> > > I am also curious about the significance of the rising of

signs -

>

> > > some rising with the back, some with the front and so

on....What

> > > does this sigify?

> > >

> > > Once again let me express my sincere gratitude to your

> initiative

> > to

> > > open up....I was going to say Pandora's box....but that has

> > negative

> > > connotations, dosn;t it?....It is our basic curiousity that

gets

> us

> > > to open up these boxes, in any case....and when we do this we

> are

> > > never satisfied.....as we hunger for more and more.

> > >

> > > Puranic tales and their linkages with astrology is another

topic

> of

> > > interest.....but that we can discuss another time.

> > >

> > > HAPPY VISHU TO ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE FORUM!!!

> > >

> > > Love,

> > >

> > > Vinita

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

OM SAHANA VAVATU SAHANA BHUNATTU SAHA VIRYAM KARAWAVAHAI

TEJASVINAVADITAMASTU MA VIDVISHAVAHAI OM SHANTI SHANTI SHANTI OM

 

Dear Shreenadh,

 

I don't know how to thank u for giving such a satisfactory

explanation. I feel guilty that I made u do all the work of

explaining meanings to me. U did not just hand it over on a platter

but even provided a spoon for the feeding. I am very very grateful

to u. May Jupiter shine and shine on u.

 

Love,

 

Vinita

 

Asatoma Sadhgamayah

Tamasoma Jyotirgamyah

Mrityoma Amritamgamayah

OM Shanti Shanti Shanti

 

 

In , " Sreenadh "

<sreesog wrote:

>

> Dear Vinita ji,

> The first answer that came to my mind is a statement without

> politeness - " Read Krishneeyam and Dasadhyayi. It is there in it.

Am

> I supposed to teach all this?! "

> But then again looking at that question, I felt " No, I shouldn't

> speak like that. There is something more god wants to teach me,

even

> with this simple question " . And I thought more about the

Seershodaya

> divisions and the result is given below. Dear Vinita ji, thanks

for

> probing and bringing out this result.

>

=====================================================================

> Divisions Such as Seershodaya

> =============================

> There seems to be a controversy related to the division of zodiac

> signs into Seershodaya, Prishtodaya and Ubhayodaya. In Varaha Hora

it

> is stated that,

> Aries, Taurus, Cancer, Sagittarius, Capricorn - Prishtodaya signs

> Gemini, Leo, Virgo, Libra, Scorpio, Aquarius - Seershodaya signs

> Pisces - Ubhayodaya sign

> What is the logic behind?

> During the revolution of the zodiac around earth, if the head of

> that symbol appears in the eastern horizon first, then it is

called a

> Seershodaya sign (rising with head), and if the legs/tail/bottom

> appears first then it is called Prishtodaya sign (rising with

> back/bottom) and if the head and tail appear together then it is

> called Uphayodaya sign (rising with head/tail together).

> But this answer is not complete, since Seershodaya means, " rise

with

> the head " . When? While birth!!!

> This means only human signs can be Seershodaya signs, and all the

> other signs should be Prishtodaya signs except Pisces, which is an

> Ubhayodaya sign! Let us verify the divisions of signs into

> Seershodaya etc as per this second logic.

> But there seems to be exceptions. Let us verify them.

> 1) As we could see Sagittarius is partly human sign, but still it

is

> considered Prishtodaya. Why? Because the second half of the

> Sagittarius sign rises first on the eastern horizon and that part

is

> a Quadruped. Therefore it is OK to term Sagittarius as

Prishtodaya.

> 2) Scorpio is a Reptile sign, and so it should be Prishtodaya.

But

> Mihira says that it is Seershodaya sign! But if we refer the

ancient

> texts, Skanda Hora and in Parasara Hora considers Scorpio as

> Prishtodaya! So even though the head of the symbol Scorpio rises

> first in the eastern horizon, since it is a reptile sign (and not

a

> human sign), I would like to follow the opinion of Skanda and

> Parasara, and support the view that it is a Prishtodaya sign.

> 3) Leo is a Quadruped sign, so it should be Prishtodaya as per

the

> second logic. But Mihira says that Leo is a Seershodaya sign!

Skanda

> Hora Keeps quiet on this issue(What was his opinion?), but

Parasara

> boldly states that it is a Seershodaya sign! I would have to drop

the

> second logic at least for Leo, since I don't have any authority to

> reject the opinion of the great sage Parasara. So let us agree to

the

> view that Leo is Seershodaya.

> 4) There is no controversy on the fact that Pisces is an

Ubhayodaya

> sign.

> But I am satisfied. Why? Because there seems to be clear cut

> logic working behind the classification of signs into Seershodaya,

> Prishtodaya and Ubhayodaya.

> What is the significance of this for Astrology?

> The astrological prediction system is 7-fold. i.e. Sign, House,

> Planet, Sign-House, Sign-Planet, House-Planet, Sign-House-Planet

> prediction systems forms the base of it.

> For sign based predictions assigning various characteristics to

the

> sign which is the base module fore prediction is a must. And that

is

> why the Symbolic shapes, Male-Female classification, Chara-Stira-

> Ubhaya classification, Krita-Dwapara-Treta-Kali Yuga

classification,

> Earth-Water-Fire-Air-Sky classification etc is assigned to the

signs.

> Similar is the case with Seershodaya-Prishtodaya-Ubhayodaya

> classification. These classifications teach us how to predict with

a

> sign, especially when no planet is posited in it.

> For example, Krishneeyam says:

> If the Lagna is Seershodaya sign predict beneficial results, if

it

> is Prishtodaya then predict malefic results, if it is Ubhayodaya

> predict a mixture of the two - Especially when no planet is placed

in

> it.

> A person born in Seershodaya sign would be fast learning, with

good

> short memory. A person born in Prishtodaya sign would be slow

> learning, but with good long-term memory. Ubhayodaya - mix of the

> two.

> A planet placed in Seershodaya sign with give beneficial results

at

> the beginning of the Dasa, while a planet placed in Prishtodaya

sign

> will give beneficial results at the end of the Dasa. A planet

placed

> in Ubhayodaya sign will give beneficial results at the middle of

the

> Dasa.

> A benefic planet placed in Seershodaya sign will give better

> results, while a malefic planet placed in Prishtodaya sign will

give

> worse results.

> In Prasna if the question is similar to " My expectations will

come

> true or not? " then, if Lagna is Seershodaya sign then beneficial

> result follows, and if the Lagna is Prishtodaya sign then the

> expectations will not fructify. In a Prasna related to Disease, if

> the Lagna happens to be a Seershodaya sign then the major stage of

> the disease is over, and now it is going to cure gradually.

> All these are important especially when there is no planet

present

> in Lagna. Planet placed in Lagna modifies the results indicated by

> the sign.

> Like this the Seershodaya-Prishtodaya-Ubhayodaya classification

can

> be useful in many instances. If you want to know more read,

> Krishneeyam, Dashadhyayi, Shadpanchasika or the like. This

> classification is part of the Sign based prediction system.

>

=====================================================================

> Dear vinita ji, I have noticed the conflicting opinions of saints

on

> this Seershodya-Prishtodaya-Ubhayodya classification only when you

> probed, and requested for more info on the same. Thanks for that -

> and pardon the harsh primary thoughts that came to my mind.

> Ohm… Sahanavavatu… Sahanou bhunaktu….Sahaveeryam karavavahai…

> Ma… Vidishavahai….Ohm….Santi…Santi…Santi……………………….

> Love,

> Sreenath

>

> , " vinita kumar "

> <shankar_mamta@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Shreenadh,

> >

> > U wrote,

> >

> > During the revolution of the zodiac around earth, if

> > the head of that symbol appears in the eastern horizon first,

then

> it

> > is called a Seershodaya sign (rising with head), and if the

> > legs/tail/bottom appears first then it is called Prishtodaya sign

> > (rising with back/bottom) and if the head and tail appear

together

> > then it is called Uphayodaya sign (rising with head/tail

together).

> >

> > What I want to know is what is the significance of this for Kala

> > Tantra???

> >

> > Love,

> >

> > Vinita

> >

> > , " Sreenadh "

> > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Vinitaji,

> > > You asked:

> > > > I am also curious about the significance of the rising of

> signs -

> >

> > > > some rising with the back, some with the front and so

> on....What

> > > > does this signify?

> > > I think you are mentioning the Seershodaya (rising with the

> head)

> > > and Prishtodaya (rising with the back/bottom)and Uphayodaya

> > (Rising

> > > with head/bottom together) Signs.

> > > The concept behind it seems to be simple. In the month of

Mesha

> > > (Aries - April 14th to May 14th), Aries rises first (after sun

> > rise),

> > > then Pisces, then Aquarius and so on. If we consider the sign

> > Pisces,

> > > the 360 deg rises first and then 359 deg, since the zodiac

seems

> > to

> > > rotate from east-to-west due to the west-to-east revolution of

> > earth.

> > > Now we know that symbolic shapes are ascribed to the

> > constellations

> > > in each sign. During the revolution of the zodiac around

earth,

> if

> > > the head of that symbol appears in the eastern horizon first,

> then

> > it

> > > is called a Seershodaya sign (rising with head), and if the

> > > legs/tail/bottom appears first then it is called Prishtodaya

sign

> > > (rising with back/bottom) and if the head and tail appear

> together

> > > then it is called Uphayodaya sign (rising with head/tail

> > together).

> > > That is why it is considered that-

> > > Gemini, Leo, Virgo, Scorpio, Sagittarius, Aquarius -

> Seershodaya

> > > signs

> > > Aries, Taurus, Cancer, Capricorn - Prishtodaya signs

> > > Pisces - Uphayodaya sign.

> > > I think it is clear. If somebody has any novel clarifying

idea

> on

> > > this regard, it is welcome.

> > > PS: Expect the clarification on Vasya signs in the next mail.

> > > Love,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > > , " vinita

kumar "

> > > <shankar_mamta@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sreenadh,

> > > >

> > > > For a long long time I was curious about the symbolism in

> > > astrology.

> > > > (It all started with the symbol for Pisces which has been

used

> > by

> > > > many to denote several things - the yin, yan, the upward and

> the

> > > > downward journey, the duality which balances out, etc.,

etc.).

> > > >

> > > > I was very excited to read your message on the division of

the

> > > signs

> > > > as Quadruped, biped, reptilian and water. Are not these the

> > stages

> > > > of evolution in life? Life beginning in water with the

reptiles

> > > > graduating to the quadrupeds and then the bipeds?

> > > >

> > > > I am also curious about the significance of the rising of

> signs -

> >

> > > > some rising with the back, some with the front and so

> on....What

> > > > does this sigify?

> > > >

> > > > Once again let me express my sincere gratitude to your

> > initiative

> > > to

> > > > open up....I was going to say Pandora's box....but that has

> > > negative

> > > > connotations, dosn;t it?....It is our basic curiousity that

> gets

> > us

> > > > to open up these boxes, in any case....and when we do this

we

> > are

> > > > never satisfied.....as we hunger for more and more.

> > > >

> > > > Puranic tales and their linkages with astrology is another

> topic

> > of

> > > > interest.....but that we can discuss another time.

> > > >

> > > > HAPPY VISHU TO ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE FORUM!!!

> > > >

> > > > Love,

> > > >

> > > > Vinita

> > > >

> > >

> >

>