Guest guest Posted April 6, 2006 Report Share Posted April 6, 2006 Dear All, In Prasnamarga it is said that " if a person with true inquisitiveness is approaching an astrologer, then the astrologer should tell him about problem he is facing and should suggest the appropriate solution " . But how? Let us see, how the traditional astrologer are approaching this question, by making use of a Varaha Hora sloka. Which sloka is that? I will quote it for you. " Kandaka Kendra Chatushtaya samjcha Saptama Lagna Chaturdha Khabhanam Teshu yedheshu hithabhi baladya Keeta narambu chara pasavascha " Meaning, Kandaka, Kendra, Chatushtaya are respectively names for 7th,1st and 4th Houses. Of them Reptail signs, Human signs and Water signs, and quadruped sign are strong in order. i.e. In 7th House = Reptail Sign is strong. In 1st House = Human Sign is strong. In 4th House = Water Sign is strong. In 10th House = quadruped (four footed animal) sign is strong. This seems to be simple. What secret is there? How can it help us in understanding the thought of the qurent? Wait...Wait..I will explain. Think that the presna Arudha (or Lagna) at the time of query was Aries. Now look is the 7th house a reptile sign (Sc and Cn)? No. Is the 1st hose a Human sign? No. Is the 4th House (Cn) a water sign? Yes! Is the 10th House a quadruped sign? well, yes/no, it is Cp, partially water sign and partially quadruped sign. OK. Thus is means that the 4th house (the born home/native_place of the qurent where his mother, father, brothers, sisters and relative are present) is (at the time of prasna) a a very strong influence and controlling force in that persons life. But what is the natural tendency of the Lagna? Lagna (In this case, Aries) is a quadruped sign, which should naturally gets its strength if placed in 10th!! That means the natural tendency of the person is to concentrate and immerse himself in work! He is more interested in work, and don't like any disturbances in that, but the family is holding him back!! Yes, with the fact alone that Aries is the ascent, you are able to reach this much! Now, whether this influence +ve or negative? Whether his actual problem is the family (4th house) or the job (10th house)? To know this look at the chart again to see the placement of 4th lord and 10th lord, and also see how strong is Lagna/Lagna lord? 1) If 4th lord is badly placed then the bad influence or condition of the family/relatives is causing the trouble. 2) If the 10th lord is badly placed then the loss of expected success / failures / problems in job is causing the trouble. 3) If the Lagna is strong and lagna lord is well placed (they indicate the qurent himself) then the qurent is able and the problem is just with the situation. If not the inability (financial or otherwise) of the qurent is also causing the situation to become worse! Does it mean that all prasna indicates bad things only? No! It is not like that. When presna Aruda (or Lagna) is Aries and if there is no problem with 4th and if there is a well placed planet in 10th then the query is related to 10th, about a positive subject, such as a promotion in job or the like! Similarly if there is no problem with 10th and if there is a well placed planet in 4th (e.g Mo) then he is thinking of constructing a new house or the like for sure!! (i.e. something that the 4th house and the planet placed in it signify) Yes, I have explained the example situation by taking Aries as Lagna (at the time of query). Now if Taurus is Lagna/Arudha at the time of query, then what? Yes you know the answer. The sign " that becomes strong " is the 7th house, since it is a retail sign. (Retail signs are strong in 7th) - So the query could be about marriage or a marital problem. The " that should become strong " (or the natural tendency of the Taurus lagna) is 10th house. (Taurus in a quadruped sign) - so he should better concentrate on work. Does he do so? or is it causing the current problem? Locate what the qurent wants to ask about (could be either good or bad situations) basing your thinking on these lines. It is easy to locate - combined with the additional clues the planetary placement gives us!! I think atleast to some of us the idea is clear by now. The traditional astrologers try to logically locate the prime problem/thought of the qurent by using both these principles. If both of them leads them to the same conclusion, then usually they won't allow the qurent to speak, and tell his problem on his face, and thus catching him in absolute surprise!! Once this happens then it becomes a very easy task for the astrologer since, after that what ever he says would be accepted by the qurent by not even without a question! The good astrologers take it as a positive tool to give good guidance and counseling to the qurent and direct him in the right path. Bad astrologers - humm....You know what that do.... Yes, that is why it is said that astrology is a double edged sward. It can be used to guide the qurent to the right path, or to make him believe and first and then destroy him/cheat him totally, by giving wrong guidance! Yes, I agree, all knowledge is similar - good in the hands of good people, and bad in the hands of bad people. Ok. That were some side thoughts - back to astrology. Experiment with the above principle. Lesson to remember : Some slokas that seems simple hides ample secrets within!! And it demands hard efforts form the part of us to bring them out. Love, Sreenadh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2006 Report Share Posted April 9, 2006 , " sreesog " <sreesog wrote: Dear All, In Prasnamarga it is said that " if a person with true inquisitiveness is approaching an astrologer, then the astrologer should tell him about problem he is facing and should suggest the appropriate solution " . But how? Let us see, how the traditional astrologer are approaching this question, by making use of a Varaha Hora sloka. Which sloka is that? I will quote it for you. " Kandaka Kendra Chatushtaya samjcha Saptama Lagna Chaturdha Khabhanam Teshu yedheshu hithabhi baladya Keeta narambu chara pasavascha " Meaning, Kandaka, Kendra, Chatushtaya are respectively names for 7th,1st and 4th Houses. Of them Reptail signs, Human signs and Water signs, and quadruped sign are strong in order. i.e. In 7th House = Reptail Sign is strong. In 1st House = Human Sign is strong. In 4th House = Water Sign is strong. In 10th House = quadruped (four footed animal) sign is strong. This seems to be simple. What secret is there? How can it help us in understanding the thought of the qurent? Wait...Wait..I will explain. Think that the presna Arudha (or Lagna) at the time of query was Aries. Now look is the 7th house a reptile sign (Sc and Cn)? No. Is the 1st hose a Human sign? No. Is the 4th House (Cn) a water sign? Yes! Is the 10th House a quadruped sign? well, yes/no, it is Cp, partially water sign and partially quadruped sign. OK. Thus is means that the 4th house (the born home/native_place of the qurent where his mother, father, brothers, sisters and relative are present) is (at the time of prasna) a a very strong influence and controlling force in that persons life. But what is the natural tendency of the Lagna? Lagna (In this case, Aries) is a quadruped sign, which should naturally gets its strength if placed in 10th!! That means the natural tendency of the person is to concentrate and immerse himself in work! He is more interested in work, and don't like any disturbances in that, but the family is holding him back!! Yes, with the fact alone that Aries is the ascent, you are able to reach this much! Now, whether this influence +ve or negative? Whether his actual problem is the family (4th house) or the job (10th house)? To know this look at the chart again to see the placement of 4th lord and 10th lord, and also see how strong is Lagna/Lagna lord? 1) If 4th lord is badly placed then the bad influence or condition of the family/relatives is causing the trouble. 2) If the 10th lord is badly placed then the loss of expected success / failures / problems in job is causing the trouble. 3) If the Lagna is strong and lagna lord is well placed (they indicate the qurent himself) then the qurent is able and the problem is just with the situation. If not the inability (financial or otherwise) of the qurent is also causing the situation to become worse! Does it mean that all prasna indicates bad things only? No! It is not like that. When presna Aruda (or Lagna) is Aries and if there is no problem with 4th and if there is a well placed planet in 10th then the query is related to 10th, about a positive subject, such as a promotion in job or the like! Similarly if there is no problem with 10th and if there is a well placed planet in 4th (e.g Mo) then he is thinking of constructing a new house or the like for sure!! (i.e. something that the 4th house and the planet placed in it signify) Yes, I have explained the example situation by taking Aries as Lagna (at the time of query). Now if Taurus is Lagna/Arudha at the time of query, then what? Yes you know the answer. The sign " that becomes strong " is the 7th house, since it is a retail sign. (Retail signs are strong in 7th) - So the query could be about marriage or a marital problem. The " that should become strong " (or the natural tendency of the Taurus lagna) is 10th house. (Taurus in a quadruped sign) - so he should better concentrate on work. Does he do so? or is it causing the current problem? Locate what the qurent wants to ask about (could be either good or bad situations) basing your thinking on these lines. It is easy to locate - combined with the additional clues the planetary placement gives us!! I think atleast to some of us the idea is clear by now. The traditional astrologers try to logically locate the prime problem/thought of the qurent by using both these principles. If both of them leads them to the same conclusion, then usually they won't allow the qurent to speak, and tell his problem on his face, and thus catching him in absolute surprise!! Once this happens then it becomes a very easy task for the astrologer since, after that what ever he says would be accepted by the qurent by not even without a question! The good astrologers take it as a positive tool to give good guidance and counseling to the qurent and direct him in the right path. Bad astrologers - humm....You know what they do.... Yes, that is why it is said that astrology is a double edged sward. It can be used to guide the qurent to the right path, or to make him believe and first and then destroy him/cheat him totally, by giving wrong guidance! Yes, I agree, all knowledge is similar - good in the hands of good people, and bad in the hands of bad people. Ok. That were some side thoughts - back to astrology. Experiment with the above principle. Lesson to remember : Some slokas that seems simple hides ample secrets within!! And it demands hard efforts form the part of us to bring them out. Love, Sreenadh --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2006 Report Share Posted April 9, 2006 As usual splendid, Sreenadhji. You donot leave a pinch of doubt! However, can I ask you a very basic and silly question (plz forgive me for doing this). Can you please let me know the basis of classification of the Rasis into reptile, water, quadruped and human signs and also would it be possible to give a list of those rasis for our benefit. Ever grateful! Souvik , " sreesog " <sreesog wrote: > > Dear All, > In Prasnamarga it is said that " if a person with true > inquisitiveness is approaching an astrologer, then the astrologer > should tell him about problem he is facing and should suggest the > appropriate solution " . But how? > Let us see, how the traditional astrologer are approaching this > question, by making use of a Varaha Hora sloka. Which sloka is that? > I will quote it for you. > " Kandaka Kendra Chatushtaya samjcha > Saptama Lagna Chaturdha Khabhanam > Teshu yedheshu hithabhi baladya > Keeta narambu chara pasavascha " > Meaning, Kandaka, Kendra, Chatushtaya are respectively names for > 7th,1st and 4th Houses. Of them Reptail signs, Human signs and Water > signs, and quadruped sign are strong in order. > i.e. In 7th House = Reptail Sign is strong. > In 1st House = Human Sign is strong. > In 4th House = Water Sign is strong. > In 10th House = quadruped (four footed animal) sign is strong. > This seems to be simple. What secret is there? How can it help us in > understanding the thought of the qurent? Wait...Wait..I will explain. > Think that the presna Arudha (or Lagna) at the time of query was > Aries. Now look is the 7th house a reptile sign (Sc and Cn)? No. Is > the 1st hose a Human sign? No. Is the 4th House (Cn) a water sign? > Yes! Is the 10th House a quadruped sign? well, yes/no, it is Cp, > partially water sign and partially quadruped sign. OK. Thus is means > that the 4th house (the born home/native_place of the qurent where > his mother, father, brothers, sisters and relative are present) is > (at the time of prasna) a a very strong influence and controlling > force in that persons life. > But what is the natural tendency of the Lagna? Lagna (In this case, > Aries) is a quadruped sign, which should naturally gets its strength > if placed in 10th!! That means the natural tendency of the person is > to concentrate and immerse himself in work! He is more interested in > work, and don't like any disturbances in that, but the family is > holding him back!! > Yes, with the fact alone that Aries is the ascent, you are able to > reach this much! Now, whether this influence +ve or negative? Whether > his actual problem is the family (4th house) or the job (10th house)? > To know this look at the chart again to see the placement of 4th lord > and 10th lord, and also see how strong is Lagna/Lagna lord? > 1) If 4th lord is badly placed then the bad influence or condition > of the family/relatives is causing the trouble. > 2) If the 10th lord is badly placed then the loss of expected > success / failures / problems in job is causing the trouble. > 3) If the Lagna is strong and lagna lord is well placed (they > indicate the qurent himself) then the qurent is able and the problem > is just with the situation. If not the inability (financial or > otherwise) of the qurent is also causing the situation to become > worse! > Does it mean that all prasna indicates bad things only? No! It is > not like that. When presna Aruda (or Lagna) is Aries and if there is > no problem with 4th and if there is a well placed planet in 10th then > the query is related to 10th, about a positive subject, such as a > promotion in job or the like! Similarly if there is no problem with > 10th and if there is a well placed planet in 4th (e.g Mo) then he is > thinking of constructing a new house or the like for sure!! (i.e. > something that the 4th house and the planet placed in it signify) > Yes, I have explained the example situation by taking Aries as > Lagna (at the time of query). Now if Taurus is Lagna/Arudha at the > time of query, then what? > Yes you know the answer. > The sign " that becomes strong " is the 7th house, since it is a > retail sign. (Retail signs are strong in 7th) - So the query could be > about marriage or a marital problem. > The " that should become strong " (or the natural tendency of the > Taurus lagna) is 10th house. (Taurus in a quadruped sign) - so he > should better concentrate on work. Does he do so? or is it causing > the current problem? > Locate what the qurent wants to ask about (could be either good or > bad situations) basing your thinking on these lines. It is easy to > locate - combined with the additional clues the planetary placement > gives us!! > I think atleast to some of us the idea is clear by now. The > traditional astrologers try to logically locate the prime > problem/thought of the qurent by using both these principles. If both > of them leads them to the same conclusion, then usually they won't > allow the qurent to speak, and tell his problem on his face, and thus > catching him in absolute surprise!! Once this happens then it becomes > a very easy task for the astrologer since, after that what ever he > says would be accepted by the qurent by not even without a question! > The good astrologers take it as a positive tool to give good guidance > and counseling to the qurent and direct him in the right path. Bad > astrologers - humm....You know what that do.... > Yes, that is why it is said that astrology is a double edged sward. > It can be used to guide the qurent to the right path, or to make him > believe and first and then destroy him/cheat him totally, by giving > wrong guidance! Yes, I agree, all knowledge is similar - good in the > hands of good people, and bad in the hands of bad people. > Ok. That were some side thoughts - back to astrology. Experiment > with the above principle. > Lesson to remember : Some slokas that seems simple hides ample > secrets within!! And it demands hard efforts form the part of us to > bring them out. > Love, > Sreenadh > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2006 Report Share Posted April 9, 2006 Link: http://www.sutradhari.com/horasara1.htm Vruchika, Meena, Makara and Karkataka are watery Rasis. Tula, Kumbha, Vushabha and Kanya are water resorter Rasis. Remaining Rasis are land resorters. Shimha's abode is mountain's caves. The habitations for Mesha, Tula, Midhuna and Dhanu are in their order plateau, city, village and warfield. The Rasis Karkataka, Vruchika and Meena are reptile Rasis, especially Vruchika, the scorpion Rasi. Quadruped Rasis are the second half of Dhanu, the first half of Makara, the whole portions of Mesha, Vushabha and Shimha. Biped, or human Rasis are Kumbha, Midhuna, Tula, Kanya and the first 15 degrees of Dhanu. Sreenadhji, is this the same list that you have? Please do let me know. Student always, Souvik , " Souvik Dutta " <explore_vulcan wrote: > > As usual splendid, Sreenadhji. You donot leave a pinch of doubt! > > However, can I ask you a very basic and silly question (plz forgive > me for doing this). > > Can you please let me know the basis of classification of the Rasis > into reptile, water, quadruped and human signs and also would it be > possible to give a list of those rasis for our benefit. > > Ever grateful! > > Souvik > , " sreesog " > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > Dear All, > > In Prasnamarga it is said that " if a person with true > > inquisitiveness is approaching an astrologer, then the astrologer > > should tell him about problem he is facing and should suggest the > > appropriate solution " . But how? > > Let us see, how the traditional astrologer are approaching this > > question, by making use of a Varaha Hora sloka. Which sloka is > that? > > I will quote it for you. > > " Kandaka Kendra Chatushtaya samjcha > > Saptama Lagna Chaturdha Khabhanam > > Teshu yedheshu hithabhi baladya > > Keeta narambu chara pasavascha " > > Meaning, Kandaka, Kendra, Chatushtaya are respectively names for > > 7th,1st and 4th Houses. Of them Reptail signs, Human signs and > Water > > signs, and quadruped sign are strong in order. > > i.e. In 7th House = Reptail Sign is strong. > > In 1st House = Human Sign is strong. > > In 4th House = Water Sign is strong. > > In 10th House = quadruped (four footed animal) sign is > strong. > > This seems to be simple. What secret is there? How can it help us > in > > understanding the thought of the qurent? Wait...Wait..I will > explain. > > Think that the presna Arudha (or Lagna) at the time of query was > > Aries. Now look is the 7th house a reptile sign (Sc and Cn)? No. > Is > > the 1st hose a Human sign? No. Is the 4th House (Cn) a water sign? > > Yes! Is the 10th House a quadruped sign? well, yes/no, it is Cp, > > partially water sign and partially quadruped sign. OK. Thus is > means > > that the 4th house (the born home/native_place of the qurent where > > his mother, father, brothers, sisters and relative are present) is > > (at the time of prasna) a a very strong influence and controlling > > force in that persons life. > > But what is the natural tendency of the Lagna? Lagna (In this > case, > > Aries) is a quadruped sign, which should naturally gets its > strength > > if placed in 10th!! That means the natural tendency of the person > is > > to concentrate and immerse himself in work! He is more interested > in > > work, and don't like any disturbances in that, but the family is > > holding him back!! > > Yes, with the fact alone that Aries is the ascent, you are able > to > > reach this much! Now, whether this influence +ve or negative? > Whether > > his actual problem is the family (4th house) or the job (10th > house)? > > To know this look at the chart again to see the placement of 4th > lord > > and 10th lord, and also see how strong is Lagna/Lagna lord? > > 1) If 4th lord is badly placed then the bad influence or > condition > > of the family/relatives is causing the trouble. > > 2) If the 10th lord is badly placed then the loss of expected > > success / failures / problems in job is causing the trouble. > > 3) If the Lagna is strong and lagna lord is well placed (they > > indicate the qurent himself) then the qurent is able and the > problem > > is just with the situation. If not the inability (financial or > > otherwise) of the qurent is also causing the situation to become > > worse! > > Does it mean that all prasna indicates bad things only? No! It is > > not like that. When presna Aruda (or Lagna) is Aries and if there > is > > no problem with 4th and if there is a well placed planet in 10th > then > > the query is related to 10th, about a positive subject, such as a > > promotion in job or the like! Similarly if there is no problem > with > > 10th and if there is a well placed planet in 4th (e.g Mo) then he > is > > thinking of constructing a new house or the like for sure!! (i.e. > > something that the 4th house and the planet placed in it signify) > > Yes, I have explained the example situation by taking Aries as > > Lagna (at the time of query). Now if Taurus is Lagna/Arudha at the > > time of query, then what? > > Yes you know the answer. > > The sign " that becomes strong " is the 7th house, since it is a > > retail sign. (Retail signs are strong in 7th) - So the query could > be > > about marriage or a marital problem. > > The " that should become strong " (or the natural tendency of the > > Taurus lagna) is 10th house. (Taurus in a quadruped sign) - so he > > should better concentrate on work. Does he do so? or is it causing > > the current problem? > > Locate what the qurent wants to ask about (could be either good > or > > bad situations) basing your thinking on these lines. It is easy to > > locate - combined with the additional clues the planetary > placement > > gives us!! > > I think atleast to some of us the idea is clear by now. The > > traditional astrologers try to logically locate the prime > > problem/thought of the qurent by using both these principles. If > both > > of them leads them to the same conclusion, then usually they won't > > allow the qurent to speak, and tell his problem on his face, and > thus > > catching him in absolute surprise!! Once this happens then it > becomes > > a very easy task for the astrologer since, after that what ever he > > says would be accepted by the qurent by not even without a > question! > > The good astrologers take it as a positive tool to give good > guidance > > and counseling to the qurent and direct him in the right path. Bad > > astrologers - humm....You know what that do.... > > Yes, that is why it is said that astrology is a double edged > sward. > > It can be used to guide the qurent to the right path, or to make > him > > believe and first and then destroy him/cheat him totally, by > giving > > wrong guidance! Yes, I agree, all knowledge is similar - good in > the > > hands of good people, and bad in the hands of bad people. > > Ok. That were some side thoughts - back to astrology. Experiment > > with the above principle. > > Lesson to remember : Some slokas that seems simple hides ample > > secrets within!! And it demands hard efforts form the part of us > to > > bring them out. > > Love, > > Sreenadh > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2006 Report Share Posted April 10, 2006 Dear Souvik ji, Depend on your clear understanding, since the list given by various texts may vary slightly. I won't talk much about the conflicts in texts, but will explain how to depend on your clear understanding of the symbolic shapes ascribed to signs. Let us consider the (imaginary) shape that is ascribed to each signs: 1) Aries : The Sanskrit word is 'Mesha', meaning Ram (uncastrated male sheep). As you know it is a four footed animal. so, Aries is a quadruped sign. 2) Taurus : The Sanskrit word is 'Vrishabha', meaning Ox. Yes, it is also a quadruped and thus Taurus a quadruped sign. 3) Gemini : The Sanskrit word is 'Midhuna', meaning couple (A Male and A Female standing together). So it is clear that it is a Biped human sign. (But this sign also represents many beings with 2 legs, Biped, such as chicken etc as well, since the synonym 'Jootuma', of Gemini represents chicken, or many other 2 legged birds that mingle with humans. Remember it is the same situation with all the other signs as well. Each sign is significator of many living beings. I am not going into it, since I want to limit this mail to the subject under discussion) 4) Cancer: The Sanskrit word is 'Karkata', meaning crab (yes, the crab that lives in water). Here a confusion popes up. The Nakshatra 'Aslesha' represents snake, the Nakshatra Pushyami has got the other name 'bee hive'. Many saints have told us that we can think about all the non-poisonous reptiles with cancer sign. So in short it is a reptile sign. Actually the word used by saints is 'Sareesripa', any thing that move with it belly, such as snake, chameleon et. (This sign could represent not only reptiles but also bees, crabs, fish, butterflies etc as well) To represent such beings only 2 signs are used, Sc and Cn, and so this is a reptile sign for sure. But as you know the crab lives in water, and the sign itself represent, a pure water (not salty water) pond, and therefore it is a water sign as well. So cancer could be a reptile sign or a watery sign! And so the confusion. 5) Leo : The Sanskrit word is 'Simha', meaning Lion. Yes, for sure it is a quadruped sign. 6) Virgo : The Sanskrit word is 'Kanya', meaning virgin lady. Yes, it is a Biped (human sign) for sure. It is symbolically depicted that this lady is traveling in a boat through a river with plant in one hand and fire in other. So there could arise a confusion that it is a water sign as well. But there is not much support for this argument, as far as the main classification is concerned. Yes, the presence of water becomes important, if you are thinking about the availability of water, with the use of prasan or the like, otherwise we can discard it, and it is a human sign for sure. 7) Libra: The Sanskrit word is 'Tula', meaning balance. The symbolic pictorial representation of the sign is of a man with a balance (the measuring instrument) in his hands, sitting is a street side market, selling something. So for sure it is a human sign. 8) Scorpio : The Sanskrit word is 'Vrischika', meaning Scorpion itself. The sign has got other names such as Snake, bee hive etc as well. As stated earlier it is one of the 2 'Sareesripa' signs, any thing that move with it belly, so for sure it is a Reptile sign. It represents anything that is poisonous and deadly. 9) Sagittarius : The Sanskrit name is 'Dhanu', meaning bow. It is symbolically represented as a kingly warrior with bows and arrows, but the portion below hip of that person is horse like! So here also there is little amount of confusion. It is said that, the 1st half of Sagittarius is quadruped and the remaining half human. 10) Capricorn : The Sanskrit name is 'Makara', meaning crocodile as well as big fish (like shark). The symbolic representation of the sign is half crocodile like and the remaining half dear like! So here also confusion exists. But yes, the first half of Capricorn could be considered as water sign and the remaining half Quadruped sign. 11) Aquarius : The Sanskrit name is 'Kumbha' meaning pot. The symbolic representation is, a man with a pot in his hand going in search of water. So it is for sure a human sign. But the presence of Pot in the symbolic representation of the sign makes someone think that it is a water sign as well, which is false, since the pot is empty. 12) Pisces : The Sanskrit name is 'Jhasha', meaning fish. Yes, fish that lives in salt water. The sign itself represents the sea. So it is watery sign for sure. This I think makes the subject clear. Due to this situation, it is better to depend on the symbolic representation, and your own clear understanding of that symbolic representation, to classify the signs, than depending on some slokas without thinking. If you just try to depend on slokas, you will find slokas, that seems to be contradicting each other in the first look. But when you understand the base of this naming you will see that there is no conflict/contradiction between the statements of Saints/Acharyas. There are 2 related points that also should be explained. Signs are Symbolic ------------------ The shape ascribed to the signs are symbolic. The saints wanted those signs to indicate several significance for which the sign stands for and that is why that particular symbol/shape is ascribed to that sign. I will explain. For example take Libra. The symbol is of a man sitting with a balance in his hand weighing something, in a market place. So for sure, Libra represents a town, humans, measuring instruments, food that is eatable for humans, road, crowd, logically correct arguments, interest in maths, business men, learned, luxury, love for good life etc etc. See how clear it is! The same is the situation with other symbols. Significance and its classification -- Significance are assigned only to - 1) Signs 2) Nakshatras 3) Houses 4) Planets What can they signify? Each of them can represent 'any thing' present in the world!! Or in other words, each of them represents, 'every thing' present in the world! Try to classify them yourself. For example a sign could represent- 1) Humans (classify them based on relationship/cast/job/gender etc) 2) Plants (classify them based on water/land/creeper/tree etc) 3) Animals (classify them based on carnivores /herbivores/wild etc) 3) Non living things (classify them based on metal/non- metal/liquid/gas etc) Yes, you could extend this list. This same rule for classification of significance for sign applies to Nakshatras, Houses and Plants as well. But the problem is that, due to the vastness this list and the subject you can not find proper lists in classics, but only simple directions. The slokas are just pointers, that directs you, the way through which you would have to exercise on your own thinking ability. Don't ask me as well, I too don't have a well classified elaborate list, which makes everything clear and lists out everything in the world. We are waiting for better lists on all these from you. " Ohm Sahanavavtu….Sahanou bhunaktu…Saha veeryam karavavahai…………… " Love, Sreenadh , " Souvik Dutta " <explore_vulcan wrote: > > Link: > http://www.sutradhari.com/horasara1.htm > > > Vruchika, Meena, Makara and Karkataka are watery Rasis. Tula, > Kumbha, Vushabha and Kanya are water resorter Rasis. Remaining Rasis > are land resorters. Shimha's abode is mountain's caves. The > habitations for Mesha, Tula, Midhuna and Dhanu are in their order > plateau, city, village and warfield. > > The Rasis Karkataka, Vruchika and Meena are reptile Rasis, > especially Vruchika, the scorpion Rasi. Quadruped Rasis are the > second half of Dhanu, the first half of Makara, the whole portions > of Mesha, Vushabha and Shimha. Biped, or human Rasis are Kumbha, > Midhuna, Tula, Kanya and the first 15 degrees of Dhanu. > > > Sreenadhji, is this the same list that you have? > > Please do let me know. > > Student always, > > Souvik > > > , " Souvik Dutta " > <explore_vulcan@> wrote: > > > > As usual splendid, Sreenadhji. You donot leave a pinch of doubt! > > > > However, can I ask you a very basic and silly question (plz > forgive > > me for doing this). > > > > Can you please let me know the basis of classification of the > Rasis > > into reptile, water, quadruped and human signs and also would it > be > > possible to give a list of those rasis for our benefit. > > > > Ever grateful! > > > > Souvik > > , " sreesog " > > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear All, > > > In Prasnamarga it is said that " if a person with true > > > inquisitiveness is approaching an astrologer, then the astrologer > > > should tell him about problem he is facing and should suggest the > > > appropriate solution " . But how? > > > Let us see, how the traditional astrologer are approaching this > > > question, by making use of a Varaha Hora sloka. Which sloka is > > that? > > > I will quote it for you. > > > " Kandaka Kendra Chatushtaya samjcha > > > Saptama Lagna Chaturdha Khabhanam > > > Teshu yedheshu hithabhi baladya > > > Keeta narambu chara pasavascha " > > > Meaning, Kandaka, Kendra, Chatushtaya are respectively names > for > > > 7th,1st and 4th Houses. Of them Reptail signs, Human signs and > > Water > > > signs, and quadruped sign are strong in order. > > > i.e. In 7th House = Reptail Sign is strong. > > > In 1st House = Human Sign is strong. > > > In 4th House = Water Sign is strong. > > > In 10th House = quadruped (four footed animal) sign is > > strong. > > > This seems to be simple. What secret is there? How can it help > us > > in > > > understanding the thought of the qurent? Wait...Wait..I will > > explain. > > > Think that the presna Arudha (or Lagna) at the time of query > was > > > Aries. Now look is the 7th house a reptile sign (Sc and Cn)? No. > > Is > > > the 1st hose a Human sign? No. Is the 4th House (Cn) a water > sign? > > > Yes! Is the 10th House a quadruped sign? well, yes/no, it is Cp, > > > partially water sign and partially quadruped sign. OK. Thus is > > means > > > that the 4th house (the born home/native_place of the qurent > where > > > his mother, father, brothers, sisters and relative are present) > is > > > (at the time of prasna) a a very strong influence and > controlling > > > force in that persons life. > > > But what is the natural tendency of the Lagna? Lagna (In this > > case, > > > Aries) is a quadruped sign, which should naturally gets its > > strength > > > if placed in 10th!! That means the natural tendency of the > person > > is > > > to concentrate and immerse himself in work! He is more > interested > > in > > > work, and don't like any disturbances in that, but the family is > > > holding him back!! > > > Yes, with the fact alone that Aries is the ascent, you are able > > to > > > reach this much! Now, whether this influence +ve or negative? > > Whether > > > his actual problem is the family (4th house) or the job (10th > > house)? > > > To know this look at the chart again to see the placement of 4th > > lord > > > and 10th lord, and also see how strong is Lagna/Lagna lord? > > > 1) If 4th lord is badly placed then the bad influence or > > condition > > > of the family/relatives is causing the trouble. > > > 2) If the 10th lord is badly placed then the loss of expected > > > success / failures / problems in job is causing the trouble. > > > 3) If the Lagna is strong and lagna lord is well placed (they > > > indicate the qurent himself) then the qurent is able and the > > problem > > > is just with the situation. If not the inability (financial or > > > otherwise) of the qurent is also causing the situation to become > > > worse! > > > Does it mean that all prasna indicates bad things only? No! It > is > > > not like that. When presna Aruda (or Lagna) is Aries and if > there > > is > > > no problem with 4th and if there is a well placed planet in 10th > > then > > > the query is related to 10th, about a positive subject, such as > a > > > promotion in job or the like! Similarly if there is no problem > > with > > > 10th and if there is a well placed planet in 4th (e.g Mo) then > he > > is > > > thinking of constructing a new house or the like for sure!! > (i.e. > > > something that the 4th house and the planet placed in it signify) > > > Yes, I have explained the example situation by taking Aries > as > > > Lagna (at the time of query). Now if Taurus is Lagna/Arudha at > the > > > time of query, then what? > > > Yes you know the answer. > > > The sign " that becomes strong " is the 7th house, since it is a > > > retail sign. (Retail signs are strong in 7th) - So the query > could > > be > > > about marriage or a marital problem. > > > The " that should become strong " (or the natural tendency of the > > > Taurus lagna) is 10th house. (Taurus in a quadruped sign) - so > he > > > should better concentrate on work. Does he do so? or is it > causing > > > the current problem? > > > Locate what the qurent wants to ask about (could be either > good > > or > > > bad situations) basing your thinking on these lines. It is easy > to > > > locate - combined with the additional clues the planetary > > placement > > > gives us!! > > > I think atleast to some of us the idea is clear by now. The > > > traditional astrologers try to logically locate the prime > > > problem/thought of the qurent by using both these principles. If > > both > > > of them leads them to the same conclusion, then usually they > won't > > > allow the qurent to speak, and tell his problem on his face, and > > thus > > > catching him in absolute surprise!! Once this happens then it > > becomes > > > a very easy task for the astrologer since, after that what ever > he > > > says would be accepted by the qurent by not even without a > > question! > > > The good astrologers take it as a positive tool to give good > > guidance > > > and counseling to the qurent and direct him in the right path. > Bad > > > astrologers - humm....You know what that do.... > > > Yes, that is why it is said that astrology is a double edged > > sward. > > > It can be used to guide the qurent to the right path, or to make > > him > > > believe and first and then destroy him/cheat him totally, by > > giving > > > wrong guidance! Yes, I agree, all knowledge is similar - good in > > the > > > hands of good people, and bad in the hands of bad people. > > > Ok. That were some side thoughts - back to astrology. > Experiment > > > with the above principle. > > > Lesson to remember : Some slokas that seems simple hides ample > > > secrets within!! And it demands hard efforts form the part of us > > to > > > bring them out. > > > Love, > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 Dear Sreenadhji, I really like you spell my name with " a " instead of " o " . Actually, that is what most non-Bengali frnds spell my name. Bengalis extensively use the letter " o " (hint: did u hear about Rossogolla! :)) As usual u r brilliant! I love it when u hit the basics. Thanks Souvik , " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote: > > Dear Souvik ji, > Depend on your clear understanding, since the list given by various > texts may vary slightly. I won't talk much about the conflicts in > texts, but will explain how to depend on your clear understanding of > the symbolic shapes ascribed to signs. > Let us consider the (imaginary) shape that is ascribed to each signs: > 1) Aries : The Sanskrit word is 'Mesha', meaning Ram (uncastrated > male sheep). As you know it is a four footed animal. so, Aries is a > quadruped sign. > 2) Taurus : The Sanskrit word is 'Vrishabha', meaning Ox. Yes, it is > also a quadruped and thus Taurus a quadruped sign. > 3) Gemini : The Sanskrit word is 'Midhuna', meaning couple (A Male > and A Female standing together). So it is clear that it is a Biped > human sign. (But this sign also represents many beings with 2 legs, > Biped, such as chicken etc as well, since the synonym 'Jootuma', of > Gemini represents chicken, or many other 2 legged birds that mingle > with humans. Remember it is the same situation with all the other > signs as well. Each sign is significator of many living beings. I am > not going into it, since I want to limit this mail to the subject > under discussion) > 4) Cancer: The Sanskrit word is 'Karkata', meaning crab (yes, the > crab that lives in water). Here a confusion popes up. The > Nakshatra 'Aslesha' represents snake, the Nakshatra Pushyami has got > the other name 'bee hive'. Many saints have told us that we can think > about all the non-poisonous reptiles with cancer sign. So in short it > is a reptile sign. Actually the word used by saints is 'Sareesripa', > any thing that move with it belly, such as snake, chameleon et. (This > sign could represent not only reptiles but also bees, crabs, fish, > butterflies etc as well) To represent such beings only 2 signs are > used, Sc and Cn, and so this is a reptile sign for sure. But as you > know the crab lives in water, and the sign itself represent, a pure > water (not salty water) pond, and therefore it is a water sign as > well. So cancer could be a reptile sign or a watery sign! And so the > confusion. > 5) Leo : The Sanskrit word is 'Simha', meaning Lion. Yes, for sure > it is a quadruped sign. > 6) Virgo : The Sanskrit word is 'Kanya', meaning virgin lady. Yes, > it is a Biped (human sign) for sure. It is symbolically depicted that > this lady is traveling in a boat through a river with plant in one > hand and fire in other. So there could arise a confusion that it is a > water sign as well. But there is not much support for this argument, > as far as the main classification is concerned. Yes, the presence of > water becomes important, if you are thinking about the availability > of water, with the use of prasan or the like, otherwise we can > discard it, and it is a human sign for sure. > 7) Libra: The Sanskrit word is 'Tula', meaning balance. The symbolic > pictorial representation of the sign is of a man with a balance (the > measuring instrument) in his hands, sitting is a street side market, > selling something. So for sure it is a human sign. > 8) Scorpio : The Sanskrit word is 'Vrischika', meaning Scorpion > itself. The sign has got other names such as Snake, bee hive etc as > well. As stated earlier it is one of the 2 'Sareesripa' signs, any > thing that move with it belly, so for sure it is a Reptile sign. It > represents anything that is poisonous and deadly. > 9) Sagittarius : The Sanskrit name is 'Dhanu', meaning bow. It is > symbolically represented as a kingly warrior with bows and arrows, > but the portion below hip of that person is horse like! So here also > there is little amount of confusion. It is said that, the 1st half of > Sagittarius is quadruped and the remaining half human. > 10) Capricorn : The Sanskrit name is 'Makara', meaning crocodile as > well as big fish (like shark). The symbolic representation of the > sign is half crocodile like and the remaining half dear like! So here > also confusion exists. But yes, the first half of Capricorn could be > considered as water sign and the remaining half Quadruped sign. > 11) Aquarius : The Sanskrit name is 'Kumbha' meaning pot. The > symbolic representation is, a man with a pot in his hand going in > search of water. So it is for sure a human sign. But the presence of > Pot in the symbolic representation of the sign makes someone think > that it is a water sign as well, which is false, since the pot is > empty. > 12) Pisces : The Sanskrit name is 'Jhasha', meaning fish. Yes, fish > that lives in salt water. The sign itself represents the sea. So it > is watery sign for sure. > This I think makes the subject clear. Due to this situation, it is > better to depend on the symbolic representation, and your own clear > understanding of that symbolic representation, to classify the signs, > than depending on some slokas without thinking. If you just try to > depend on slokas, you will find slokas, that seems to be > contradicting each other in the first look. But when you understand > the base of this naming you will see that there is no > conflict/contradiction between the statements of Saints/Acharyas. > There are 2 related points that also should be explained. > Signs are Symbolic > ------------------ > The shape ascribed to the signs are symbolic. The saints wanted > those signs to indicate several significance for which the sign > stands for and that is why that particular symbol/shape is ascribed > to that sign. I will explain. > For example take Libra. The symbol is of a man sitting with a > balance in his hand weighing something, in a market place. So for > sure, Libra represents a town, humans, measuring instruments, food > that is eatable for humans, road, crowd, logically correct arguments, > interest in maths, business men, learned, luxury, love for good life > etc etc. See how clear it is! The same is the situation with other > symbols. > Significance and its classification > -- > Significance are assigned only to - > 1) Signs 2) Nakshatras > 3) Houses 4) Planets > What can they signify? Each of them can represent 'any thing' > present in the world!! Or in other words, each of them > represents, 'every thing' present in the world! Try to classify them > yourself. > For example a sign could represent- > 1) Humans (classify them based on relationship/cast/job/gender etc) > 2) Plants (classify them based on water/land/creeper/tree etc) > 3) Animals (classify them based on carnivores /herbivores/wild etc) > 3) Non living things (classify them based on metal/non- > metal/liquid/gas etc) > Yes, you could extend this list. > This same rule for classification of significance for sign applies > to Nakshatras, Houses and Plants as well. But the problem is that, > due to the vastness this list and the subject you can not find proper > lists in classics, but only simple directions. The slokas are just > pointers, that directs you, the way through which you would have to > exercise on your own thinking ability. > Don't ask me as well, I too don't have a well classified elaborate > list, which makes everything clear and lists out everything in the > world. We are waiting for better lists on all these from you. > " Ohm Sahanavavtu….Sahanou bhunaktu…Saha veeryam karavavahai…………… " > Love, > Sreenadh > > , " Souvik Dutta " > <explore_vulcan@> wrote: > > > > Link: > > http://www.sutradhari.com/horasara1.htm > > > > > > Vruchika, Meena, Makara and Karkataka are watery Rasis. Tula, > > Kumbha, Vushabha and Kanya are water resorter Rasis. Remaining > Rasis > > are land resorters. Shimha's abode is mountain's caves. The > > habitations for Mesha, Tula, Midhuna and Dhanu are in their order > > plateau, city, village and warfield. > > > > The Rasis Karkataka, Vruchika and Meena are reptile Rasis, > > especially Vruchika, the scorpion Rasi. Quadruped Rasis are the > > second half of Dhanu, the first half of Makara, the whole portions > > of Mesha, Vushabha and Shimha. Biped, or human Rasis are Kumbha, > > Midhuna, Tula, Kanya and the first 15 degrees of Dhanu. > > > > > > Sreenadhji, is this the same list that you have? > > > > Please do let me know. > > > > Student always, > > > > Souvik > > > > > > , " Souvik Dutta " > > <explore_vulcan@> wrote: > > > > > > As usual splendid, Sreenadhji. You donot leave a pinch of doubt! > > > > > > However, can I ask you a very basic and silly question (plz > > forgive > > > me for doing this). > > > > > > Can you please let me know the basis of classification of the > > Rasis > > > into reptile, water, quadruped and human signs and also would it > > be > > > possible to give a list of those rasis for our benefit. > > > > > > Ever grateful! > > > > > > Souvik > > > , " sreesog " > > > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > In Prasnamarga it is said that " if a person with true > > > > inquisitiveness is approaching an astrologer, then the > astrologer > > > > should tell him about problem he is facing and should suggest > the > > > > appropriate solution " . But how? > > > > Let us see, how the traditional astrologer are approaching > this > > > > question, by making use of a Varaha Hora sloka. Which sloka is > > > that? > > > > I will quote it for you. > > > > " Kandaka Kendra Chatushtaya samjcha > > > > Saptama Lagna Chaturdha Khabhanam > > > > Teshu yedheshu hithabhi baladya > > > > Keeta narambu chara pasavascha " > > > > Meaning, Kandaka, Kendra, Chatushtaya are respectively names > > for > > > > 7th,1st and 4th Houses. Of them Reptail signs, Human signs and > > > Water > > > > signs, and quadruped sign are strong in order. > > > > i.e. In 7th House = Reptail Sign is strong. > > > > In 1st House = Human Sign is strong. > > > > In 4th House = Water Sign is strong. > > > > In 10th House = quadruped (four footed animal) sign is > > > strong. > > > > This seems to be simple. What secret is there? How can it help > > us > > > in > > > > understanding the thought of the qurent? Wait...Wait..I will > > > explain. > > > > Think that the presna Arudha (or Lagna) at the time of query > > was > > > > Aries. Now look is the 7th house a reptile sign (Sc and Cn)? > No. > > > Is > > > > the 1st hose a Human sign? No. Is the 4th House (Cn) a water > > sign? > > > > Yes! Is the 10th House a quadruped sign? well, yes/no, it is > Cp, > > > > partially water sign and partially quadruped sign. OK. Thus is > > > means > > > > that the 4th house (the born home/native_place of the qurent > > where > > > > his mother, father, brothers, sisters and relative are present) > > is > > > > (at the time of prasna) a a very strong influence and > > controlling > > > > force in that persons life. > > > > But what is the natural tendency of the Lagna? Lagna (In this > > > case, > > > > Aries) is a quadruped sign, which should naturally gets its > > > strength > > > > if placed in 10th!! That means the natural tendency of the > > person > > > is > > > > to concentrate and immerse himself in work! He is more > > interested > > > in > > > > work, and don't like any disturbances in that, but the family > is > > > > holding him back!! > > > > Yes, with the fact alone that Aries is the ascent, you are > able > > > to > > > > reach this much! Now, whether this influence +ve or negative? > > > Whether > > > > his actual problem is the family (4th house) or the job (10th > > > house)? > > > > To know this look at the chart again to see the placement of > 4th > > > lord > > > > and 10th lord, and also see how strong is Lagna/Lagna lord? > > > > 1) If 4th lord is badly placed then the bad influence or > > > condition > > > > of the family/relatives is causing the trouble. > > > > 2) If the 10th lord is badly placed then the loss of expected > > > > success / failures / problems in job is causing the trouble. > > > > 3) If the Lagna is strong and lagna lord is well placed (they > > > > indicate the qurent himself) then the qurent is able and the > > > problem > > > > is just with the situation. If not the inability (financial or > > > > otherwise) of the qurent is also causing the situation to > become > > > > worse! > > > > Does it mean that all prasna indicates bad things only? No! It > > is > > > > not like that. When presna Aruda (or Lagna) is Aries and if > > there > > > is > > > > no problem with 4th and if there is a well placed planet in > 10th > > > then > > > > the query is related to 10th, about a positive subject, such as > > a > > > > promotion in job or the like! Similarly if there is no problem > > > with > > > > 10th and if there is a well placed planet in 4th (e.g Mo) then > > he > > > is > > > > thinking of constructing a new house or the like for sure!! > > (i.e. > > > > something that the 4th house and the planet placed in it > signify) > > > > Yes, I have explained the example situation by taking Aries > > as > > > > Lagna (at the time of query). Now if Taurus is Lagna/Arudha at > > the > > > > time of query, then what? > > > > Yes you know the answer. > > > > The sign " that becomes strong " is the 7th house, since it is a > > > > retail sign. (Retail signs are strong in 7th) - So the query > > could > > > be > > > > about marriage or a marital problem. > > > > The " that should become strong " (or the natural tendency of > the > > > > Taurus lagna) is 10th house. (Taurus in a quadruped sign) - so > > he > > > > should better concentrate on work. Does he do so? or is it > > causing > > > > the current problem? > > > > Locate what the qurent wants to ask about (could be either > > good > > > or > > > > bad situations) basing your thinking on these lines. It is easy > > to > > > > locate - combined with the additional clues the planetary > > > placement > > > > gives us!! > > > > I think atleast to some of us the idea is clear by now. The > > > > traditional astrologers try to logically locate the prime > > > > problem/thought of the qurent by using both these principles. > If > > > both > > > > of them leads them to the same conclusion, then usually they > > won't > > > > allow the qurent to speak, and tell his problem on his face, > and > > > thus > > > > catching him in absolute surprise!! Once this happens then it > > > becomes > > > > a very easy task for the astrologer since, after that what ever > > he > > > > says would be accepted by the qurent by not even without a > > > question! > > > > The good astrologers take it as a positive tool to give good > > > guidance > > > > and counseling to the qurent and direct him in the right path. > > Bad > > > > astrologers - humm....You know what that do.... > > > > Yes, that is why it is said that astrology is a double edged > > > sward. > > > > It can be used to guide the qurent to the right path, or to > make > > > him > > > > believe and first and then destroy him/cheat him totally, by > > > giving > > > > wrong guidance! Yes, I agree, all knowledge is similar - good > in > > > the > > > > hands of good people, and bad in the hands of bad people. > > > > Ok. That were some side thoughts - back to astrology. > > Experiment > > > > with the above principle. > > > > Lesson to remember : Some slokas that seems simple hides ample > > > > secrets within!! And it demands hard efforts form the part of > us > > > to > > > > bring them out. > > > > Love, > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 Dear Sauvikji, Yes, I hope I got the point. Do you mean your name should be spelled " Sauvik " instead of " Souvik " ? > I love it when u hit the basics. I love a man when he loves life. Yes, it is still your site that is in my mind. Love, Sreenadh , " Souvik Dutta " <explore_vulcan wrote: > > Dear Sreenadhji, > > I really like you spell my name with " a " instead of " o " . Actually, > that is what most non-Bengali frnds spell my name. Bengalis > extensively use the letter " o " (hint: did u hear about > Rossogolla! :)) > > As usual u r brilliant! I love it when u hit the basics. > > Thanks > > Souvik > , " Sreenadh " > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > Dear Souvik ji, > > Depend on your clear understanding, since the list given by > various > > texts may vary slightly. I won't talk much about the conflicts > in > > texts, but will explain how to depend on your clear understanding > of > > the symbolic shapes ascribed to signs. > > Let us consider the (imaginary) shape that is ascribed to each > signs: > > 1) Aries : The Sanskrit word is 'Mesha', meaning Ram (uncastrated > > male sheep). As you know it is a four footed animal. so, Aries is > a > > quadruped sign. > > 2) Taurus : The Sanskrit word is 'Vrishabha', meaning Ox. Yes, it > is > > also a quadruped and thus Taurus a quadruped sign. > > 3) Gemini : The Sanskrit word is 'Midhuna', meaning couple (A > Male > > and A Female standing together). So it is clear that it is a Biped > > human sign. (But this sign also represents many beings with 2 > legs, > > Biped, such as chicken etc as well, since the synonym 'Jootuma', > of > > Gemini represents chicken, or many other 2 legged birds that > mingle > > with humans. Remember it is the same situation with all the other > > signs as well. Each sign is significator of many living beings. I > am > > not going into it, since I want to limit this mail to the subject > > under discussion) > > 4) Cancer: The Sanskrit word is 'Karkata', meaning crab (yes, the > > crab that lives in water). Here a confusion popes up. The > > Nakshatra 'Aslesha' represents snake, the Nakshatra Pushyami has > got > > the other name 'bee hive'. Many saints have told us that we can > think > > about all the non-poisonous reptiles with cancer sign. So in short > it > > is a reptile sign. Actually the word used by saints > is 'Sareesripa', > > any thing that move with it belly, such as snake, chameleon et. > (This > > sign could represent not only reptiles but also bees, crabs, fish, > > butterflies etc as well) To represent such beings only 2 signs are > > used, Sc and Cn, and so this is a reptile sign for sure. But as > you > > know the crab lives in water, and the sign itself represent, a > pure > > water (not salty water) pond, and therefore it is a water sign as > > well. So cancer could be a reptile sign or a watery sign! And so > the > > confusion. > > 5) Leo : The Sanskrit word is 'Simha', meaning Lion. Yes, for > sure > > it is a quadruped sign. > > 6) Virgo : The Sanskrit word is 'Kanya', meaning virgin lady. > Yes, > > it is a Biped (human sign) for sure. It is symbolically depicted > that > > this lady is traveling in a boat through a river with plant in one > > hand and fire in other. So there could arise a confusion that it > is a > > water sign as well. But there is not much support for this > argument, > > as far as the main classification is concerned. Yes, the presence > of > > water becomes important, if you are thinking about the > availability > > of water, with the use of prasan or the like, otherwise we can > > discard it, and it is a human sign for sure. > > 7) Libra: The Sanskrit word is 'Tula', meaning balance. The > symbolic > > pictorial representation of the sign is of a man with a balance > (the > > measuring instrument) in his hands, sitting is a street side > market, > > selling something. So for sure it is a human sign. > > 8) Scorpio : The Sanskrit word is 'Vrischika', meaning Scorpion > > itself. The sign has got other names such as Snake, bee hive etc > as > > well. As stated earlier it is one of the 2 'Sareesripa' signs, any > > thing that move with it belly, so for sure it is a Reptile sign. > It > > represents anything that is poisonous and deadly. > > 9) Sagittarius : The Sanskrit name is 'Dhanu', meaning bow. It is > > symbolically represented as a kingly warrior with bows and arrows, > > but the portion below hip of that person is horse like! So here > also > > there is little amount of confusion. It is said that, the 1st half > of > > Sagittarius is quadruped and the remaining half human. > > 10) Capricorn : The Sanskrit name is 'Makara', meaning crocodile > as > > well as big fish (like shark). The symbolic representation of the > > sign is half crocodile like and the remaining half dear like! So > here > > also confusion exists. But yes, the first half of Capricorn could > be > > considered as water sign and the remaining half Quadruped sign. > > 11) Aquarius : The Sanskrit name is 'Kumbha' meaning pot. The > > symbolic representation is, a man with a pot in his hand going in > > search of water. So it is for sure a human sign. But the presence > of > > Pot in the symbolic representation of the sign makes someone think > > that it is a water sign as well, which is false, since the pot is > > empty. > > 12) Pisces : The Sanskrit name is 'Jhasha', meaning fish. Yes, > fish > > that lives in salt water. The sign itself represents the sea. So > it > > is watery sign for sure. > > This I think makes the subject clear. Due to this situation, it > is > > better to depend on the symbolic representation, and your own > clear > > understanding of that symbolic representation, to classify the > signs, > > than depending on some slokas without thinking. If you just try to > > depend on slokas, you will find slokas, that seems to be > > contradicting each other in the first look. But when you > understand > > the base of this naming you will see that there is no > > conflict/contradiction between the statements of > Saints/Acharyas. > > There are 2 related points that also should be explained. > > Signs are Symbolic > > ------------------ > > The shape ascribed to the signs are symbolic. The saints wanted > > those signs to indicate several significance for which the sign > > stands for and that is why that particular symbol/shape is > ascribed > > to that sign. I will explain. > > For example take Libra. The symbol is of a man sitting with a > > balance in his hand weighing something, in a market place. So for > > sure, Libra represents a town, humans, measuring instruments, food > > that is eatable for humans, road, crowd, logically correct > arguments, > > interest in maths, business men, learned, luxury, love for good > life > > etc etc. See how clear it is! The same is the situation with other > > symbols. > > Significance and its classification > > -- > > Significance are assigned only to - > > 1) Signs 2) Nakshatras > > 3) Houses 4) Planets > > What can they signify? Each of them can represent 'any thing' > > present in the world!! Or in other words, each of them > > represents, 'every thing' present in the world! Try to classify > them > > yourself. > > For example a sign could represent- > > 1) Humans (classify them based on relationship/cast/job/gender > etc) > > 2) Plants (classify them based on water/land/creeper/tree etc) > > 3) Animals (classify them based on carnivores /herbivores/wild > etc) > > 3) Non living things (classify them based on metal/non- > > metal/liquid/gas etc) > > Yes, you could extend this list. > > This same rule for classification of significance for sign > applies > > to Nakshatras, Houses and Plants as well. But the problem is that, > > due to the vastness this list and the subject you can not find > proper > > lists in classics, but only simple directions. The slokas are just > > pointers, that directs you, the way through which you would have > to > > exercise on your own thinking ability. > > Don't ask me as well, I too don't have a well classified > elaborate > > list, which makes everything clear and lists out everything in the > > world. We are waiting for better lists on all these from you. > > " Ohm Sahanavavtu….Sahanou bhunaktu…Saha veeryam karavavahai…………… " > > Love, > > Sreenadh > > > > , " Souvik Dutta " > > <explore_vulcan@> wrote: > > > > > > Link: > > > http://www.sutradhari.com/horasara1.htm > > > > > > > > > Vruchika, Meena, Makara and Karkataka are watery Rasis. Tula, > > > Kumbha, Vushabha and Kanya are water resorter Rasis. Remaining > > Rasis > > > are land resorters. Shimha's abode is mountain's caves. The > > > habitations for Mesha, Tula, Midhuna and Dhanu are in their > order > > > plateau, city, village and warfield. > > > > > > The Rasis Karkataka, Vruchika and Meena are reptile Rasis, > > > especially Vruchika, the scorpion Rasi. Quadruped Rasis are the > > > second half of Dhanu, the first half of Makara, the whole > portions > > > of Mesha, Vushabha and Shimha. Biped, or human Rasis are Kumbha, > > > Midhuna, Tula, Kanya and the first 15 degrees of Dhanu. > > > > > > > > > Sreenadhji, is this the same list that you have? > > > > > > Please do let me know. > > > > > > Student always, > > > > > > Souvik > > > > > > > > > , " Souvik Dutta " > > > <explore_vulcan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > As usual splendid, Sreenadhji. You donot leave a pinch of > doubt! > > > > > > > > However, can I ask you a very basic and silly question (plz > > > forgive > > > > me for doing this). > > > > > > > > Can you please let me know the basis of classification of the > > > Rasis > > > > into reptile, water, quadruped and human signs and also would > it > > > be > > > > possible to give a list of those rasis for our benefit. > > > > > > > > Ever grateful! > > > > > > > > Souvik > > > > , " sreesog " > > > > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > In Prasnamarga it is said that " if a person with true > > > > > inquisitiveness is approaching an astrologer, then the > > astrologer > > > > > should tell him about problem he is facing and should > suggest > > the > > > > > appropriate solution " . But how? > > > > > Let us see, how the traditional astrologer are approaching > > this > > > > > question, by making use of a Varaha Hora sloka. Which sloka > is > > > > that? > > > > > I will quote it for you. > > > > > " Kandaka Kendra Chatushtaya samjcha > > > > > Saptama Lagna Chaturdha Khabhanam > > > > > Teshu yedheshu hithabhi baladya > > > > > Keeta narambu chara pasavascha " > > > > > Meaning, Kandaka, Kendra, Chatushtaya are respectively > names > > > for > > > > > 7th,1st and 4th Houses. Of them Reptail signs, Human signs > and > > > > Water > > > > > signs, and quadruped sign are strong in order. > > > > > i.e. In 7th House = Reptail Sign is strong. > > > > > In 1st House = Human Sign is strong. > > > > > In 4th House = Water Sign is strong. > > > > > In 10th House = quadruped (four footed animal) sign is > > > > strong. > > > > > This seems to be simple. What secret is there? How can it > help > > > us > > > > in > > > > > understanding the thought of the qurent? Wait...Wait..I will > > > > explain. > > > > > Think that the presna Arudha (or Lagna) at the time of > query > > > was > > > > > Aries. Now look is the 7th house a reptile sign (Sc and Cn)? > > No. > > > > Is > > > > > the 1st hose a Human sign? No. Is the 4th House (Cn) a water > > > sign? > > > > > Yes! Is the 10th House a quadruped sign? well, yes/no, it is > > Cp, > > > > > partially water sign and partially quadruped sign. OK. Thus > is > > > > means > > > > > that the 4th house (the born home/native_place of the qurent > > > where > > > > > his mother, father, brothers, sisters and relative are > present) > > > is > > > > > (at the time of prasna) a a very strong influence and > > > controlling > > > > > force in that persons life. > > > > > But what is the natural tendency of the Lagna? Lagna (In > this > > > > case, > > > > > Aries) is a quadruped sign, which should naturally gets its > > > > strength > > > > > if placed in 10th!! That means the natural tendency of the > > > person > > > > is > > > > > to concentrate and immerse himself in work! He is more > > > interested > > > > in > > > > > work, and don't like any disturbances in that, but the > family > > is > > > > > holding him back!! > > > > > Yes, with the fact alone that Aries is the ascent, you are > > able > > > > to > > > > > reach this much! Now, whether this influence +ve or > negative? > > > > Whether > > > > > his actual problem is the family (4th house) or the job > (10th > > > > house)? > > > > > To know this look at the chart again to see the placement of > > 4th > > > > lord > > > > > and 10th lord, and also see how strong is Lagna/Lagna lord? > > > > > 1) If 4th lord is badly placed then the bad influence or > > > > condition > > > > > of the family/relatives is causing the trouble. > > > > > 2) If the 10th lord is badly placed then the loss of > expected > > > > > success / failures / problems in job is causing the trouble. > > > > > 3) If the Lagna is strong and lagna lord is well placed > (they > > > > > indicate the qurent himself) then the qurent is able and the > > > > problem > > > > > is just with the situation. If not the inability (financial > or > > > > > otherwise) of the qurent is also causing the situation to > > become > > > > > worse! > > > > > Does it mean that all prasna indicates bad things only? No! > It > > > is > > > > > not like that. When presna Aruda (or Lagna) is Aries and if > > > there > > > > is > > > > > no problem with 4th and if there is a well placed planet in > > 10th > > > > then > > > > > the query is related to 10th, about a positive subject, such > as > > > a > > > > > promotion in job or the like! Similarly if there is no > problem > > > > with > > > > > 10th and if there is a well placed planet in 4th (e.g Mo) > then > > > he > > > > is > > > > > thinking of constructing a new house or the like for sure!! > > > (i.e. > > > > > something that the 4th house and the planet placed in it > > signify) > > > > > Yes, I have explained the example situation by taking > Aries > > > as > > > > > Lagna (at the time of query). Now if Taurus is Lagna/Arudha > at > > > the > > > > > time of query, then what? > > > > > Yes you know the answer. > > > > > The sign " that becomes strong " is the 7th house, since it > is a > > > > > retail sign. (Retail signs are strong in 7th) - So the query > > > could > > > > be > > > > > about marriage or a marital problem. > > > > > The " that should become strong " (or the natural tendency of > > the > > > > > Taurus lagna) is 10th house. (Taurus in a quadruped sign) - > so > > > he > > > > > should better concentrate on work. Does he do so? or is it > > > causing > > > > > the current problem? > > > > > Locate what the qurent wants to ask about (could be either > > > good > > > > or > > > > > bad situations) basing your thinking on these lines. It is > easy > > > to > > > > > locate - combined with the additional clues the planetary > > > > placement > > > > > gives us!! > > > > > I think atleast to some of us the idea is clear by now. The > > > > > traditional astrologers try to logically locate the prime > > > > > problem/thought of the qurent by using both these > principles. > > If > > > > both > > > > > of them leads them to the same conclusion, then usually they > > > won't > > > > > allow the qurent to speak, and tell his problem on his face, > > and > > > > thus > > > > > catching him in absolute surprise!! Once this happens then > it > > > > becomes > > > > > a very easy task for the astrologer since, after that what > ever > > > he > > > > > says would be accepted by the qurent by not even without a > > > > question! > > > > > The good astrologers take it as a positive tool to give good > > > > guidance > > > > > and counseling to the qurent and direct him in the right > path. > > > Bad > > > > > astrologers - humm....You know what that do.... > > > > > Yes, that is why it is said that astrology is a double > edged > > > > sward. > > > > > It can be used to guide the qurent to the right path, or to > > make > > > > him > > > > > believe and first and then destroy him/cheat him totally, by > > > > giving > > > > > wrong guidance! Yes, I agree, all knowledge is similar - > good > > in > > > > the > > > > > hands of good people, and bad in the hands of bad people. > > > > > Ok. That were some side thoughts - back to astrology. > > > Experiment > > > > > with the above principle. > > > > > Lesson to remember : Some slokas that seems simple hides > ample > > > > > secrets within!! And it demands hard efforts form the part > of > > us > > > > to > > > > > bring them out. > > > > > Love, > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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