Guest guest Posted December 22, 2000 Report Share Posted December 22, 2000 Dear Mayapurji, Jaya Jagannath This is a very simple rule. Actually what you have stated is different fromthe example you site. Aaroha rai is allowed, Avaroha Rati is not allowed. The reason is simple. Say you were to convert the following numbers into integers: 3.51 becomes 4.00 3.10 becomes 3.00 4.70 becomes 5.00 6.50 becomes 7.00 Thus you will see that what is being allowed is the increase in weight from the recommended weight and not the reduced weight. For example if 3 Rati is recommended, then 3.51 will become 4.00 Rati category stone whereas 3.10 is still 3 Rati stone. My personal experoence teaches that what is destined at a point of time is due to his Karma and we really don't have too much choise. Further, it is better t have an ordinary gem that is purified with the mantra and prayer than a fine stone that is worn just like an ornament. Faith is the key. Hare Krishna Sanjay Rath - Mayapur (das) SDHS (IN) <Mayapur.SDHS Sanjay Rath <srath Wednesday, December 20, 2000 1:15 PM Re: Thank you > Dear Sanjay Prabhuji, > Please accept my humble obeisances. > Thank you very much for your reply! > > > Ramabahdra Prabhu has asked me to ask you one question-an old astrologer > has > > told him never to get stones which are more than .50 Rattis(example-you > can > > get a stone which has 3,10 or 4,30 0r 5,34 or 6,50;but never 3,51 or 4,70 > or > > 5 ,65 ;5.51etc. > > He asked me to ask you do you know anythig about that rule,is this > correct > > or not? > > Your servant, > Mayapur das > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2000 Report Share Posted December 23, 2000 Namaste, Just a note from a measurement perspective: 1 Rati = 1 rattika = 0.59 metric carats. In Harish Johari's book - Healing Power of Gemstones, he does a nice job of guiding the aspirant though the correct selection and use of the nav-ratnas. Sanjay Rath [srath]Thursday, December 21, 2000 10:56 PMMayapur (das) SDHS (IN)Cc: Varahamihira[sri Guru] Re: Thank youDear Mayapurji,Jaya Jagannath This is a very simple rule. Actually what you have stated is differentfromthe example you site. Aaroha rai is allowed, Avaroha Rati is notallowed. The reason is simple. Say you were to convert the following numbersinto integers:3.51 becomes 4.003.10 becomes 3.004.70 becomes 5.006.50 becomes 7.00Thus you will see that what is being allowed is the increase in weight fromthe recommended weight and not the reduced weight. For example if 3 Rati isrecommended, then 3.51 will become 4.00 Rati category stone whereas 3.10 isstill 3 Rati stone.My personal experoence teaches that what is destined at a point of time isdue to his Karma and we really don't have too much choise. Further, it isbetter t have an ordinary gem that is purified with the mantra and prayerthan a fine stone that is worn just like an ornament.Faith is the key.Hare KrishnaSanjay Rath-Mayapur (das) SDHS (IN) <Mayapur.SDHSSanjay Rath <srathWednesday, December 20, 2000 1:15 PMRe: Thank you> Dear Sanjay Prabhuji,> Please accept my humble obeisances.> Thank you very much for your reply!>> > Ramabahdra Prabhu has asked me to ask you one question-an old astrologer> has> > told him never to get stones which are more than .50 Rattis(example-you> can> > get a stone which has 3,10 or 4,30 0r 5,34 or 6,50;but never 3,51 or4,70> or> > 5 ,65 ;5.51etc.> > He asked me to ask you do you know anythig about that rule,is this> correct> > or not?>> Your servant,> Mayapur das>OM TAT SATArchive: varahamihiraInfo: varahamihira/info.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2000 Report Share Posted December 28, 2000 Dear Sylvia, I have worked out what to me is a fairly simple system for deducting the points forthe 12th from B. 1) First look up at the top of the sheet to find which planet is the lord of the 12th from B. Taking an example of House 6 in Ron's chart this would be Ju. 2)Move down to Row 14a and see if Ju is aspecting anything, if it is , and it giving a positive sight then those points have to be deducted - in Ron's chart House 6 it has sight on the Sun and Ma giving each of them 5 points. These 5 points have to be deducted from the Su and Ma so in row 16e put -5 points under the Su and Ma. 3) Check up also to see if Ju aspects houses A, B, or C if so you also have to deduct 5 points from the planet itself, that is from Ju. In this case Ju aspects House C so 5 points must be deducted fro Ju in row 16e by putting a -5 under Ju. 4) this completes the deductions for house 6. 5)You will find there are deductions required for some houses when Sa is the Lord of 12th from B and also deductions for Mars. 6) Note if any planet (being the lord of the 12th from B) has more than 4 points then its sight will give a negative result and this is left as is. Thus when the Su, Mo or Me are the lord of the 12th from B (in Ron's chart) no deductions are needed. Hope this helps. Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2000 Report Share Posted December 28, 2000 Dear Peter, Thank You very much that makes it easy to follow, one more thing on the worksheet that Sanjay sent on house 3 and 12 there is a -12 under saturn and I can't figure out why? jupiter is the 12 house lord from B and not aspecting anything it does aspects house A in 3rd house and house B in12th house. Sylvia On Fri, 29 Dec 2000 00:59:54 +1000 " Peter Sutcliffe " <petermay writes: > Dear Sylvia, > I have worked out what to me is a fairly simple system for deducting > the > points forthe 12th from B. > 1) First look up at the top of the sheet to find which planet is the > lord of > the 12th from B. Taking an example of House 6 in Ron's chart this > would be > Ju. > 2)Move down to Row 14a and see if Ju is aspecting anything, if it is > , and > it giving a positive sight then those points have to be deducted - > in Ron's > chart House 6 it has sight on the Sun and Ma giving each of them 5 > points. > These 5 points have to be deducted from the Su and Ma so in row 16e > put -5 > points under the Su and Ma. > 3) Check up also to see if Ju aspects houses A, B, or C if so you > also have > to deduct 5 points from the planet itself, that is from Ju. In this > case Ju > aspects House C so 5 points must be deducted fro Ju in row 16e by > putting > a -5 under Ju. > 4) this completes the deductions for house 6. > 5)You will find there are deductions required for some houses when > Sa is the > Lord of 12th from B and also deductions for Mars. > 6) Note if any planet (being the lord of the 12th from B) has more > than 4 > points then its sight will give a negative result and this is left > as is. > Thus when the Su, Mo or Me are the lord of the 12th from B (in Ron's > chart) > no deductions are needed. > > Hope this helps. > > Peter > > > -------------------------- eGroups Sponsor > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2000 Report Share Posted December 28, 2000 Dear Sylvia, I think those figures under Sa were just sample figures put in to demonstrate the use of line 16e - I assume you are meaning the -12 on line 16e. Just delete them as they are meaningless. Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2000 Report Share Posted December 28, 2000 Dear Sylvia, That is because in the example sheet, Jupiter contributes 12 4th house points which have to be reduced when it is the 12th lord. Sanjay - " sylvia linzner " <sylvia261 Thursday, December 28, 2000 11:05 PM Re: Thank you Dear Peter, Thank You very much that makes it easy to follow, one more thing on the worksheet that Sanjay sent on house 3 and 12 there is a -12 under saturn and I can't figure out why? jupiter is the 12 house lord from B and not aspecting anything it does aspects house A in 3rd house and house B in12th house. Sylvia On Fri, 29 Dec 2000 00:59:54 +1000 " Peter Sutcliffe " <petermay writes: > Dear Sylvia, > I have worked out what to me is a fairly simple system for deducting > the > points forthe 12th from B. > 1) First look up at the top of the sheet to find which planet is the > lord of > the 12th from B. Taking an example of House 6 in Ron's chart this > would be > Ju. > 2)Move down to Row 14a and see if Ju is aspecting anything, if it is > , and > it giving a positive sight then those points have to be deducted - > in Ron's > chart House 6 it has sight on the Sun and Ma giving each of them 5 > points. > These 5 points have to be deducted from the Su and Ma so in row 16e > put -5 > points under the Su and Ma. > 3) Check up also to see if Ju aspects houses A, B, or C if so you > also have > to deduct 5 points from the planet itself, that is from Ju. In this > case Ju > aspects House C so 5 points must be deducted fro Ju in row 16e by > putting > a -5 under Ju. > 4) this completes the deductions for house 6. > 5)You will find there are deductions required for some houses when > Sa is the > Lord of 12th from B and also deductions for Mars. > 6) Note if any planet (being the lord of the 12th from B) has more > than 4 > points then its sight will give a negative result and this is left > as is. > Thus when the Su, Mo or Me are the lord of the 12th from B (in Ron's > chart) > no deductions are needed. > > Hope this helps. > > Peter > > > -------------------------- eGroups Sponsor > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2000 Report Share Posted December 29, 2000 Dear Sanjay, Is that what Peter said that if the 12th lord aspects houses A,B or C you deduct from it? but why are you deducting from Saturn? I don't understand Sylvia On Fri, 29 Dec 2000 14:45:55 +0700 " Sanjay Jaggia " <sanjaygg writes: > Dear Sylvia, > > That is because in the example sheet, Jupiter contributes 12 4th > house > points which have to be reduced when it is the 12th lord. > > Sanjay > > - > " sylvia linzner " <sylvia261 > > Thursday, December 28, 2000 11:05 PM > Re: Thank you > > > Dear Peter, Thank You very much > that makes it easy to follow, one more thing on the worksheet that > Sanjay sent on house 3 and 12 there is a -12 under saturn and I > can't > figure out why? jupiter is the 12 house lord from B and not > aspecting > anything it does aspects house A in 3rd house and house B in12th > house. > Sylvia > > On Fri, 29 Dec 2000 00:59:54 +1000 " Peter Sutcliffe " > <petermay writes: > > Dear Sylvia, > > I have worked out what to me is a fairly simple system for > deducting > > the > > points forthe 12th from B. > > 1) First look up at the top of the sheet to find which planet is > the > > lord of > > the 12th from B. Taking an example of House 6 in Ron's chart this > > would be > > Ju. > > 2)Move down to Row 14a and see if Ju is aspecting anything, if it > is > > , and > > it giving a positive sight then those points have to be deducted - > > in Ron's > > chart House 6 it has sight on the Sun and Ma giving each of them 5 > > points. > > These 5 points have to be deducted from the Su and Ma so in row > 16e > > put -5 > > points under the Su and Ma. > > 3) Check up also to see if Ju aspects houses A, B, or C if so you > > also have > > to deduct 5 points from the planet itself, that is from Ju. In > this > > case Ju > > aspects House C so 5 points must be deducted fro Ju in row 16e by > > putting > > a -5 under Ju. > > 4) this completes the deductions for house 6. > > 5)You will find there are deductions required for some houses when > > Sa is the > > Lord of 12th from B and also deductions for Mars. > > 6) Note if any planet (being the lord of the 12th from B) has more > > than 4 > > points then its sight will give a negative result and this is left > > as is. > > Thus when the Su, Mo or Me are the lord of the 12th from B (in > Ron's > > chart) > > no deductions are needed. > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > Peter > > > > > > -------------------------- eGroups Sponsor > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2000 Report Share Posted December 29, 2000 Dear Sylvia, You look at the planets in row 4abcd. You will find that there is the 12th Lord there. This gives points in row 5a or b or c or d. You can't take these points for the 12th lord so these are the ones to be reduced in addition to aspect points, if any. Regards Sanjay - " sylvia linzner " <sylvia261 Friday, December 29, 2000 9:59 PM Re: Thank you Dear Sanjay, Is that what Peter said that if the 12th lord aspects houses A,B or C you deduct from it? but why are you deducting from Saturn? I don't understand Sylvia On Fri, 29 Dec 2000 14:45:55 +0700 " Sanjay Jaggia " <sanjaygg writes: > Dear Sylvia, > > That is because in the example sheet, Jupiter contributes 12 4th > house > points which have to be reduced when it is the 12th lord. > > Sanjay > > - > " sylvia linzner " <sylvia261 > > Thursday, December 28, 2000 11:05 PM > Re: Thank you > > > Dear Peter, Thank You very much > that makes it easy to follow, one more thing on the worksheet that > Sanjay sent on house 3 and 12 there is a -12 under saturn and I > can't > figure out why? jupiter is the 12 house lord from B and not > aspecting > anything it does aspects house A in 3rd house and house B in12th > house. > Sylvia > > On Fri, 29 Dec 2000 00:59:54 +1000 " Peter Sutcliffe " > <petermay writes: > > Dear Sylvia, > > I have worked out what to me is a fairly simple system for > deducting > > the > > points forthe 12th from B. > > 1) First look up at the top of the sheet to find which planet is > the > > lord of > > the 12th from B. Taking an example of House 6 in Ron's chart this > > would be > > Ju. > > 2)Move down to Row 14a and see if Ju is aspecting anything, if it > is > > , and > > it giving a positive sight then those points have to be deducted - > > in Ron's > > chart House 6 it has sight on the Sun and Ma giving each of them 5 > > points. > > These 5 points have to be deducted from the Su and Ma so in row > 16e > > put -5 > > points under the Su and Ma. > > 3) Check up also to see if Ju aspects houses A, B, or C if so you > > also have > > to deduct 5 points from the planet itself, that is from Ju. In > this > > case Ju > > aspects House C so 5 points must be deducted fro Ju in row 16e by > > putting > > a -5 under Ju. > > 4) this completes the deductions for house 6. > > 5)You will find there are deductions required for some houses when > > Sa is the > > Lord of 12th from B and also deductions for Mars. > > 6) Note if any planet (being the lord of the 12th from B) has more > > than 4 > > points then its sight will give a negative result and this is left > > as is. > > Thus when the Su, Mo or Me are the lord of the 12th from B (in > Ron's > > chart) > > no deductions are needed. > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > Peter > > > > > > -------------------------- eGroups Sponsor > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2000 Report Share Posted December 30, 2000 Dear Sanjay, Thank You, I think I understand now with yours and Peters help. In the 3rd house example sheet, Jupiter 12 house lord has 15 points under Saturn and 4 points under Jupiter so all those points have to be deducted under what ever colum they are at? Sylvia On Sat, 30 Dec 2000 11:24:55 +0700 " Sanjay Jaggia " <sanjaygg writes: > Dear Sylvia, > > You look at the planets in row 4abcd. You will find that there is > the 12th > Lord there. This gives points in row 5a or b or c or d. You can't > take these > points for the 12th lord so these are the ones to be reduced in > addition to > aspect points, if any. > > Regards > Sanjay > > - > " sylvia linzner " <sylvia261 > > Friday, December 29, 2000 9:59 PM > Re: Thank you > > > Dear Sanjay, > Is that what Peter said that if the 12th lord aspects houses A,B or > C you > deduct from it? but why are you deducting from Saturn? I don't > understand > Sylvia > > On Fri, 29 Dec 2000 14:45:55 +0700 " Sanjay Jaggia " > <sanjaygg > writes: > > Dear Sylvia, > > > > That is because in the example sheet, Jupiter contributes 12 4th > > house > > points which have to be reduced when it is the 12th lord. > > > > Sanjay > > > > - > > " sylvia linzner " <sylvia261 > > > > Thursday, December 28, 2000 11:05 PM > > Re: Thank you > > > > > > Dear Peter, Thank You very much > > that makes it easy to follow, one more thing on the worksheet > that > > Sanjay sent on house 3 and 12 there is a -12 under saturn and I > > can't > > figure out why? jupiter is the 12 house lord from B and not > > aspecting > > anything it does aspects house A in 3rd house and house B in12th > > house. > > Sylvia > > > > On Fri, 29 Dec 2000 00:59:54 +1000 " Peter Sutcliffe " > > <petermay writes: > > > Dear Sylvia, > > > I have worked out what to me is a fairly simple system for > > deducting > > > the > > > points forthe 12th from B. > > > 1) First look up at the top of the sheet to find which planet is > > the > > > lord of > > > the 12th from B. Taking an example of House 6 in Ron's chart > this > > > would be > > > Ju. > > > 2)Move down to Row 14a and see if Ju is aspecting anything, if > it > > is > > > , and > > > it giving a positive sight then those points have to be deducted > - > > > in Ron's > > > chart House 6 it has sight on the Sun and Ma giving each of them > 5 > > > points. > > > These 5 points have to be deducted from the Su and Ma so in row > > 16e > > > put -5 > > > points under the Su and Ma. > > > 3) Check up also to see if Ju aspects houses A, B, or C if so > you > > > also have > > > to deduct 5 points from the planet itself, that is from Ju. In > > this > > > case Ju > > > aspects House C so 5 points must be deducted fro Ju in row 16e > by > > > putting > > > a -5 under Ju. > > > 4) this completes the deductions for house 6. > > > 5)You will find there are deductions required for some houses > when > > > Sa is the > > > Lord of 12th from B and also deductions for Mars. > > > 6) Note if any planet (being the lord of the 12th from B) has > more > > > than 4 > > > points then its sight will give a negative result and this is > left > > > as is. > > > Thus when the Su, Mo or Me are the lord of the 12th from B (in > > Ron's > > > chart) > > > no deductions are needed. > > > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > > > Peter > > > > > > > > > -------------------------- eGroups Sponsor > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2001 Report Share Posted January 1, 2001 Dear Sylvia, Yes, you have to reduce the 15 points. However, you do not reduce the 4 points. These are just the points of Jupiter in its AV and if it has 4 points, it does not contribute any negative or positive points. Regards Sanjay - " sylvia linzner " <sylvia261 Saturday, December 30, 2000 10:24 PM Re: Thank you Dear Sanjay, Thank You, I think I understand now with yours and Peters help. In the 3rd house example sheet, Jupiter 12 house lord has 15 points under Saturn and 4 points under Jupiter so all those points have to be deducted under what ever colum they are at? Sylvia On Sat, 30 Dec 2000 11:24:55 +0700 " Sanjay Jaggia " <sanjaygg writes: > Dear Sylvia, > > You look at the planets in row 4abcd. You will find that there is > the 12th > Lord there. This gives points in row 5a or b or c or d. You can't > take these > points for the 12th lord so these are the ones to be reduced in > addition to > aspect points, if any. > > Regards > Sanjay > > - > " sylvia linzner " <sylvia261 > > Friday, December 29, 2000 9:59 PM > Re: Thank you > > > Dear Sanjay, > Is that what Peter said that if the 12th lord aspects houses A,B or > C you > deduct from it? but why are you deducting from Saturn? I don't > understand > Sylvia > > On Fri, 29 Dec 2000 14:45:55 +0700 " Sanjay Jaggia " > <sanjaygg > writes: > > Dear Sylvia, > > > > That is because in the example sheet, Jupiter contributes 12 4th > > house > > points which have to be reduced when it is the 12th lord. > > > > Sanjay > > > > - > > " sylvia linzner " <sylvia261 > > > > Thursday, December 28, 2000 11:05 PM > > Re: Thank you > > > > > > Dear Peter, Thank You very much > > that makes it easy to follow, one more thing on the worksheet > that > > Sanjay sent on house 3 and 12 there is a -12 under saturn and I > > can't > > figure out why? jupiter is the 12 house lord from B and not > > aspecting > > anything it does aspects house A in 3rd house and house B in12th > > house. > > Sylvia > > > > On Fri, 29 Dec 2000 00:59:54 +1000 " Peter Sutcliffe " > > <petermay writes: > > > Dear Sylvia, > > > I have worked out what to me is a fairly simple system for > > deducting > > > the > > > points forthe 12th from B. > > > 1) First look up at the top of the sheet to find which planet is > > the > > > lord of > > > the 12th from B. Taking an example of House 6 in Ron's chart > this > > > would be > > > Ju. > > > 2)Move down to Row 14a and see if Ju is aspecting anything, if > it > > is > > > , and > > > it giving a positive sight then those points have to be deducted > - > > > in Ron's > > > chart House 6 it has sight on the Sun and Ma giving each of them > 5 > > > points. > > > These 5 points have to be deducted from the Su and Ma so in row > > 16e > > > put -5 > > > points under the Su and Ma. > > > 3) Check up also to see if Ju aspects houses A, B, or C if so > you > > > also have > > > to deduct 5 points from the planet itself, that is from Ju. In > > this > > > case Ju > > > aspects House C so 5 points must be deducted fro Ju in row 16e > by > > > putting > > > a -5 under Ju. > > > 4) this completes the deductions for house 6. > > > 5)You will find there are deductions required for some houses > when > > > Sa is the > > > Lord of 12th from B and also deductions for Mars. > > > 6) Note if any planet (being the lord of the 12th from B) has > more > > > than 4 > > > points then its sight will give a negative result and this is > left > > > as is. > > > Thus when the Su, Mo or Me are the lord of the 12th from B (in > > Ron's > > > chart) > > > no deductions are needed. > > > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > > > Peter > > > > > > > > > -------------------------- eGroups Sponsor > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2002 Report Share Posted November 9, 2002 om paramhamsaparamagurave namahDear Jyotisha,I will be offline as far as is concerned for a month till the end of the conferences and workshops. I hope you continue to discuss and share knowledge. Thank you Robyn and looking forward to seeing you and everyone else at Hyderabad.With best regardsSanjay RathAddress: 71 Vasant Apartments, Mayur Vihar Phase-1, New Delhi 110091, IndiaPhone: + 91-11-2713201 Web: http://srath.com Robyn [resimpson]Saturday, November 09, 2002 4:02 AMvedic astrology Subject: [vedic astrology] Thank youDear List and my friends on this list,Just a short note to thank you for all your contributions over the past year since I began my studies of Jyotish and to tell you that I shall be offline for about three months. This will also affect the website www.jyotishdiscovery.com but when I come back online, it shall become active again for the Jyotish community of scholars.Thank you particularly to Pundit Sanjay Rath for all your deep insights into Jyotish that have been of profound assistance in my studies and also to Visti Larsen for his untiring help in answering questions. I wish you all the best over the next few months until I can once again partake in these wonderful and sacred studies.With best wishesRobyn SimpsonArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2005 Report Share Posted July 11, 2005 Jai Jee May god Shower all the blessings so that u keep a god health and help the mankind with ur learned knowledge. Just to update you. I have completed 38 days of Grass Feeding to Cows. More 5 days are left. Will update u once i have done with that. Just a small clarification, can i start that head bowing fromoutside the temple after a week or shud i start immediately on the completion of grass remedy , can it been different temples, i am asking this as i am going to madurai for 3-4 days on official tour. Please reply as per ur conveneiene Best regards Paras Jain Jai Nahata <jaynahata wrote: Dear Friends,I feel dearth of words to express my gratitude towards all of you.THANK YOU is just a small gesture to express what I am feeling. Thanksonce again for being with me in this test of time. I will try to doany little of the job that my health will permit me to do currently.Best regardsJaiparas is always cool. love & LuckCheersparas How much free photo storage do you get? Store your friends n family photos for FREE with Photos. http://in.photos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2005 Report Share Posted December 31, 2005 ~~ om sadâúiva gurave namah ~~ Dear Manisha Kala Sarpa produces criminals if it really gets activated. You don't have it, and thank God for that. With best wishes & warm regards, Yours truly Sanjay Rath Webpages: http://srath.com http://.org http://sjcerc.com Atri SJC: 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India Phone: +91.11.25717162 - Manisha Chulani [manisha_chulani] Saturday, December 31, 2005 9:55 PMsohamsa Subject: Thank You Dear Friends,I would like to thank you so much for reading my chart, and from what I understand my Deva Ishta is the Moon, and was well as my Ishta Devta is Krishna (that i was told about), so I guess I can focus on the moon, as what I read on the sjc site on the purpose of my deva ishta. I too I guess subcounsiously knew that if I could find the right alliance (key being right) I would be much more relaxed. The Kal Sarpa Yoga, some people have told me i have it, but the others have told me as one member who said i had, and another has told me that i havent, becuase i didnt have one graha i dont. But if I were to understand what Kal Sarpa Yoga is that sometimes when everything is going right, but just before it gets finished, and gets pushed away or delayed, then yes that has happened at least a few times in my life. And yes I am trying to be more relaxed and able to have a decent conversation with others, rather then getting anxious as I have people ask me if i am, (and its true sometimes i am) but i would rather seem at ease and able to talk freely and openly with people. And thanks for your advice, from what I gather, I should try to focus on the moon, so would do a satnaryna katha be a good solution. Thanks for taking the time to read my charts.Regards,Manishasohamsa wrote: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2005 Report Share Posted December 31, 2005 Rath jee,is there a special key which has to be activated before you Gyani's respond,i have been a so called silent member of the group as no body would respond,i am trying to learn Jyotish and Devinity from you learned scolars but alas of no avail.WELL STILL HAVE A HAPPY NEW YEAR.Gobionder gary singh chopra,MB.,BS.,MD. --- Sanjay Rath <guruji wrote: > > > ~~ om sadâúiva gurave namah ~~ > Dear Manisha > Kala Sarpa produces criminals if it really gets > activated. You don't have > it, and thank God for that. > With best wishes & warm regards, > Yours truly > Sanjay Rath > > Webpages: <http://srath.com/> http://srath.com > <http://.org/> > http://.org <http://sjcerc.com/> > http://sjcerc.com > Atri SJC: 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi > 110060, India > Phone: +91.11.25717162 > - > > > _____ > > Manisha Chulani > [manisha_chulani] > Saturday, December 31, 2005 9:55 PM > sohamsa > Thank You > > > Dear Friends, > I would like to thank you so much for reading my > chart, and from what I > understand my Deva Ishta is the Moon, and was well > as my Ishta Devta is > Krishna (that i was told about), so I guess I can > focus on the moon, as what > I read on the sjc site on the purpose of my deva > ishta. I too I guess > subcounsiously knew that if I could find the right > alliance (key being > right) I would be much more relaxed. The Kal Sarpa > Yoga, some people have > told me i have it, but the others have told me as > one member who said i had, > and another has told me that i havent, becuase i > didnt have one graha i > dont. But if I were to understand what Kal Sarpa > Yoga is that sometimes when > everything is going right, but just before it gets > finished, and gets pushed > away or delayed, then yes that has happened at least > a few times in my life. > And yes I am trying to be more relaxed and able to > have a decent > conversation with others, rather then getting > anxious as I have people ask > me if i am, (and its true sometimes i am) but i > would rather seem at ease > and able to talk freely and openly with people. > > And thanks for your advice, from what I gather, I > should try to focus on the > moon, so would do a satnaryna katha be a good > solution. > > Thanks for taking the time to read my charts. > > Regards, > Manisha > > sohamsa wrote: > > > There are 17 messages in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > > 1. Re: Advice > " Nitin " > 2. Re: Of the Saptarishis who is Narendranath (Swami > Vivekananda) > " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " > 3. Re: Do gemstones have basis in the classics? And > other questions, please > read.. > " Nitin " > 4. Re: gem stones or japam - please help > " Nitin " > 5. Re: Should I wear moon sign stone? (Manu Ji, et > al) > " Nitin " > 6. Re: Re: gem stones or japam - please help > Ramapriya D > 7. Re: Siva Palan - Analysis Request > " Nitin " > 8. Re: gem stones or japam - please help > " Nitin " > 9. Re: Navamsa 8th lord in 7th house > " Ajay Zharotia " > 10. Re: Of the Saptarishis who is Narendranath > (Swami Vivekananda) > " Sourav Chowdhury " > 11. Re: Of the Saptarishis who is Narendranath > (Swami Vivekananda) > " Sourav Chowdhury " > 12. RE: Re: #2 Palana Devata-Ram Bagala > lakshmi ramesh > 13. Shri C.S. Patels Birthday > " Visti Larsen " > 14. Re: Re: Siva Palan - Analysis Request > Ramapriya D > 15. Re: Re: gem stones or japam - please help > Ramapriya D > 16. RE: Digest Number 198 > " Branka Dragisic " > 17. Re: UL Analysis request > " king23.rm " > > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 1 > Sat, 31 Dec 2005 05:11:27 -0000 > " Nitin " > Re: Advice > > ||| Aum Krishna Guru ||| > > Dear Manisha Ji and List members, Namaskaar. > > Allow me to share some of my understanding. > > The Chara AtmaKaraka in this chart is Mercury > (Buddh). The spark of > the Jivatman will bring about a search and > challenges relating to the > 5th House (Bhakti, devotion, etc) and the 8th House > (transformations, > the unknown, etc.) in the inner most point in the > chart – the 4th > House (reflection of the home / mother / nurturing, > etc)… > > One of the greatest challenges (amongst other > interpretations) could > be the person being challenged in offering hope to > others, whereas the > same may not be returned when sought… > > > On a more mundane level, one of the natural > (naisargik) significations > of Mercury is of communication. You will also be > challenged here and > this year has found you more devoid of the energy to > speak, or to find > a way to express yourself in a more comfortable > manner, as also > revealed by you. This will change around 29. > > Dwelling more on spirituality, there is a Kaala > Sarpa yoga formed as > Michal has observed. Slightly different > interpretation -- there will > be frustration at moments where you will waver > between the spiritual > and the material life. > > Ramapriya – the sarpa yoga is complete, irrespective > of the Lagna's > direct involvement. Examine the co-lords carefully. > > The native will have respite from this from some > possible scenarios: > > 1) An alliance or a partner who is reflected by the > Moon in the 7th > House (Satya Peetha). When considering the Chara > Karakas, we are > reflecting upon the spark of the soul. Hence, the > spirit of the > alliance will be akin to a nurturing personality. It > need not indicate > the spouse. > 2) Age 32 – 33, you will come across a partner > reflecting the above. > Should it happen, please confirm later. > 3) Mid 40's – the Sarpa yoga will fructify and there > could be a great > rise for the native. [if the Navamsa is accurate, > you may be > questioned on the work you have done and what has > brought you thus far > at that time…] > > Appeasing the Moon or having it in your favour also > protects your > image (Arudha). > [9th from the AL] > === message truncated === ________ DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2005 Report Share Posted December 31, 2005 Dear Sanjay, Does this mean that the lagna too has to be within the Ra-Ke axis for the yoga to be deemed ksy? Respects, Ramapriya ayirpamar On 12/31/05, Sanjay Rath <guruji wrote: ~~ om sadâúiva gurave namah ~~ Dear Manisha Kala Sarpa produces criminals if it really gets activated. You don't have it, and thank God for that. With best wishes & warm regards, Yours truly Sanjay Rath Webpages: http://srath.com http://.org http://sjcerc.com Atri SJC: 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India Phone: +91.11.25717162 - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2005 Report Share Posted December 31, 2005 Hi Gary Gobinder Singth, When a student is ready to learn, a teacher usually appears. Don't worry much. Ramapriya PS: Good that your name rhymes with Guru Gobinder Singh On 12/31/05, Manjit Chopra <manjitc wrote: Rath jee,is there a special key which has to beactivated before you Gyani's respond,i have been a so called silent member of the group as no body wouldrespond,i am trying to learn Jyotish and Devinity fromyou learned scolars but alas of no avail.WELL STILLHAVE A HAPPY NEW YEAR.Gobionder gary singhchopra,MB.,BS.,MD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2006 Report Share Posted January 1, 2006 ~~ om sadâúiva gurave namah ~~ Dear Rama Are we looking at the same chart or did I get this wrong? Can you send me the jhd chart you are looking at? With best wishes & warm regards, Yours truly Sanjay Rath Webpages: http://srath.com http://.org http://sjcerc.com Atri SJC: 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India Phone: +91.11.25717162 - Ramapriya D [ayirpamar] Sunday, January 01, 2006 12:17 AMsohamsa Subject: Re: Thank You Dear Sanjay, Does this mean that the lagna too has to be within the Ra-Ke axis for the yoga to be deemed ksy? Respects, Ramapriya ayirpamar On 12/31/05, Sanjay Rath <guruji wrote: ~~ om sadâúiva gurave namah ~~ Dear Manisha Kala Sarpa produces criminals if it really gets activated. You don't have it, and thank God for that. With best wishes & warm regards, Yours truly Sanjay Rath Webpages: http://srath.com http://.org http://sjcerc.com Atri SJC: 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India Phone: +91.11.25717162 - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2006 Report Share Posted January 1, 2006 Dear Sanjay,Namaskaar I think I have KSY in my chart and I dont have any criminal tendencies till now Can you please elaborate on what you mean by " if it really gets activated " ? My details : 27/7/76, 6:25am, Chandigarh. regards, Sameer sohamsa , " Sanjay Rath " <guruji@s...> wrote: > > > > ~~ om sadâúiva gurave namah ~~ > Dear Manisha > Kala Sarpa produces criminals if it really gets activated. You don't have > it, and thank God for that. > With best wishes & warm regards, > Yours truly > Sanjay Rath > > Webpages: <http://srath.com/> http://srath.com <http://.org/> > http://.org <http://sjcerc.com/> http://sjcerc.com > Atri SJC: 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India > Phone: +91.11.25717162 > - > > > _____ > > Manisha Chulani [manisha_chulani] > Saturday, December 31, 2005 9:55 PM > sohamsa > Thank You > > > Dear Friends, > I would like to thank you so much for reading my chart, and from what I > understand my Deva Ishta is the Moon, and was well as my Ishta Devta is > Krishna (that i was told about), so I guess I can focus on the moon, as what > I read on the sjc site on the purpose of my deva ishta. I too I guess > subcounsiously knew that if I could find the right alliance (key being > right) I would be much more relaxed. The Kal Sarpa Yoga, some people have > told me i have it, but the others have told me as one member who said i had, > and another has told me that i havent, becuase i didnt have one graha i > dont. But if I were to understand what Kal Sarpa Yoga is that sometimes when > everything is going right, but just before it gets finished, and gets pushed > away or delayed, then yes that has happened at least a few times in my life. > And yes I am trying to be more relaxed and able to have a decent > conversation with others, rather then getting anxious as I have people ask > me if i am, (and its true sometimes i am) but i would rather seem at ease > and able to talk freely and openly with people. > > And thanks for your advice, from what I gather, I should try to focus on the > moon, so would do a satnaryna katha be a good solution. > > Thanks for taking the time to read my charts. > > Regards, > Manisha > > sohamsa wrote: > > > There are 17 messages in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > > 1. Re: Advice > " Nitin " > 2. Re: Of the Saptarishis who is Narendranath (Swami Vivekananda) > " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " > 3. Re: Do gemstones have basis in the classics? And other questions, please > read.. > " Nitin " > 4. Re: gem stones or japam - please help > " Nitin " > 5. Re: Should I wear moon sign stone? (Manu Ji, et al) > " Nitin " > 6. Re: Re: gem stones or japam - please help > Ramapriya D > 7. Re: Siva Palan - Analysis Request > " Nitin " > 8. Re: gem stones or japam - please help > " Nitin " > 9. Re: Navamsa 8th lord in 7th house > " Ajay Zharotia " > 10. Re: Of the Saptarishis who is Narendranath (Swami Vivekananda) > " Sourav Chowdhury " > 11. Re: Of the Saptarishis who is Narendranath (Swami Vivekananda) > " Sourav Chowdhury " > 12. RE: Re: #2 Palana Devata-Ram Bagala > lakshmi ramesh > 13. Shri C.S. Patels Birthday > " Visti Larsen " > 14. Re: Re: Siva Palan - Analysis Request > Ramapriya D > 15. Re: Re: gem stones or japam - please help > Ramapriya D > 16. RE: Digest Number 198 > " Branka Dragisic " > 17. Re: UL Analysis request > " king23.rm " > > > ____________________ __ > ____________________ __ > > Message: 1 > Sat, 31 Dec 2005 05:11:27 -0000 > " Nitin " > Re: Advice > > ||| Aum Krishna Guru ||| > > Dear Manisha Ji and List members, Namaskaar. > > Allow me to share some of my understanding. > > The Chara AtmaKaraka in this chart is Mercury (Buddh). The spark of > the Jivatman will bring about a search and challenges relating to the > 5th House (Bhakti, devotion, etc) and the 8th House (transformations, > the unknown, etc.) in the inner most point in the chart – the 4th > House (reflection of the home / mother / nurturing, etc)… > > One of the greatest challenges (amongst other interpretations) could > be the person being challenged in offering hope to others, whereas the > same may not be returned when sought… > > > On a more mundane level, one of the natural (naisargik) significations > of Mercury is of communication. You will also be challenged here and > this year has found you more devoid of the energy to speak, or to find > a way to express yourself in a more comfortable manner, as also > revealed by you. This will change around 29. > > Dwelling more on spirituality, there is a Kaala Sarpa yoga formed as > Michal has observed. Slightly different interpretation -- there will > be frustration at moments where you will waver between the spiritual > and the material life. > > Ramapriya – the sarpa yoga is complete, irrespective of the Lagna's > direct involvement. Examine the co-lords carefully. > > The native will have respite from this from some possible scenarios: > > 1) An alliance or a partner who is reflected by the Moon in the 7th > House (Satya Peetha). When considering the Chara Karakas, we are > reflecting upon the spark of the soul. Hence, the spirit of the > alliance will be akin to a nurturing personality. It need not indicate > the spouse. > 2) Age 32 – 33, you will come across a partner reflecting the above. > Should it happen, please confirm later. > 3) Mid 40's – the Sarpa yoga will fructify and there could be a great > rise for the native. [if the Navamsa is accurate, you may be > questioned on the work you have done and what has brought you thus far > at that time…] > > Appeasing the Moon or having it in your favour also protects your > image (Arudha). > [9th from the AL] > > The Moon is not only the Ishta, but the Dharma Devta as well. > http://www..org/jyotishlessons/lessons/chara-karaka.htm > > May the Gurus continue to guide us. > > Best wishes, > Nitin. > > || Namah Shivaaya || > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. > > > > ::Hare Rama Krsna:: > > Hi Manisha, > > Just a point about your chart. You have a combination called Kala > Sarpa yoga, when all the planets are hemmed in between Rahu and Ketu. > This will often result in a person feeling a lack of direction in > their lives, a kind of limitation they experience. Planets that > conjoin the nodes or that are placed in 1st or 7th houses can break > this yoga. For you Moon is the only such planet. It is also your > Ishta devata, so worship of Krishna with the Maha mantra will greatly > benefit you and provide a greater sense of spiritual well being. Moon > is also Dara karaka, so relief will come through the spouse. So fast > on Fridays from sunrise to sunset and marriage will bring you fortune. > > Hope this helps, > Michal > > ::Om Namo Narayanaya:: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. > > manisha_chulani wrote: > Hi Sanjay, > My birthday is > June 21st, 1977 > Time of Birth: 10:54pm > Place of Birth: Hong Kong > > Thank you, > Manisha > sohamsa , Sanjay Prabhakaran > wrote: > > > > || Om Gurave Namah || > > Dear Manisha, > > Why dont you attach your Chart or Birth Details. Jyotish members > may then > > be able to help you. > > Warm Regards > > Sanjay P > > > > On 12/29/05, Manisha Chulani wrote: > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > I hope you can offer me some suggestions. I know last year I was > attending > > > an aryuvedic conference (which too incorporates jyotish). I know > that they > > > were talking about something a powder and also some suggestions. > I wasnt > > > able to follow it. However, one of my new years resolution is to > feel at > > > ease, to be able to be more intuitive and empathatic, and be > open and to > > > make conversation easily and openly and to be able to focus on > the world > > > outside, and empathazize, rather then be inside my own head. If > there is any > > > advice on that, that would be great, or any mantras, meditations, > > > techniques. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Manisha > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>. > Untitled > > Natal Chart > > June 21, 1977 > Time: 10:54:00 pm > Time Zone: 8:00:00 (East of GMT) > Place: 114 E 09' 00 " , 22 N 17' 00 " > Hong Kong, Hong Kong > Altitude: 0.00 meters > > Lunar Yr-Mo: Pingala - Ashadha > Tithi: Sukla Panchami (Ju) (43.19% left) > Vedic Weekday: Tuesday (Ma) > Nakshatra: Magha (Ke) (89.61% left) > Yoga: Vajra (Mo) (90.35% left) > Karana: Balava (Mo) (86.37% left) > Hora Lord: Mercury (5 min sign: Le) > Mahakala Hora: Venus (5 min sign: Sc) > Kaala Lord: Sun (Mahakala: Sun) > > Sunrise: 5:40:26 am > Sunset: 7:09:39 pm > Janma Ghatis: 43.0653 > > Ayanamsa: 23-32-38.58 > Sidereal Time: 16:29:21 > > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa > > Lagna 7 Aq 03' 07.37 " Sata 1 Aq Sg > Sun - PK 6 Ge 34' 03.89 " Mrig 4 Ge Sc > Moon - DK 1 Le 23' 07.24 " Magh 1 Le Ar > Mars - PiK 17 Ar 53' 29.64 " Bhar 2 Ar Vi > Mercury - AK 26 Ta 30' 50.10 " Mrig 1 Ta Le > Jupiter - AmK 24 Ta 05' 46.90 " Mrig 1 Ta Le > Venus - BK 20 Ar 58' 23.21 " Bhar 3 Ar Li > Saturn - MK 20 Cn 32' 18.64 " Asre 2 Cn Cp > Rahu - GK 27 Vi 15' 08.99 " Chit 2 Vi Vi > Ketu 27 Pi 15' 08.99 " Reva 4 Pi Pi > Maandi 16 Sg 30' 37.50 " PSha 1 Sg Le > Gulika 7 Sg 14' 58.37 " Mool 3 Sg Ge > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > ____________________ __ > ____________________ __ > > Message: 2 > Sat, 31 Dec 2005 00:23:00 -0500 > " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " > Re: Of the Saptarishis who is Narendranath (Swami Vivekananda) > > Dear Sourav, > > Thanks for the link and I read that article. > > It is interesting that I should see this mail from you today. Just a couple > of days, I was about to sleep and just closed my eyes. I vividly saw the > face of somebody who appeared like a maharshi. The face is still fresh in my > memory and I never such a person in real life. He had a thin long face with > Vaishnava style lines on forehead. He had a pleasant and radiant face. After > that face remained in my vision for a few seconds, suddenly Swami > Vivekananda's face sprang from it and the face of maharshi disappeared. > > I have no doubt that Swami Vivekananda is a maharshi's incarnation. However, > I am not sure I agree with the conclusion of the author that Narendra was an > incarnation of Sage Bhrigu. > > Instead of speculating on whether there are only 7 maharshis in Rishi > Mandala or more and who those 7 maharshis are and speculating on the > similarity of the so-called " sattwik " and " dynamic " aspects of Maharshi > Bhrigu and Swami Vivekananda, the author could have just gone by what Swami > Vivekananda himself described as being said by Ramakrishna to him. > > If you go to the end of the article, you see that Swami Vivekananda recounts > Ramakrishna telling him that he is Nara Maharshi. Narayana became Krishna > and guided Nara Maharshi who was born as Arjuna. Again, Narayana became > Ramakrishna and guided Nara Maharshi who was born as Narendra. The author's > speculation is totally unneeded and most likely incorrect. Narendra was in > all likelihood an incarnation of Nara Maharshi. > > May Ramakrishna's light shine on us, > Narasimha > ------------------------------- > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > ------------------------------- > > sohamsa , " Sourav Chowdhury " wrote: > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > Dear Friends and Learned Jyotishis, > > Namaskar. I would like to share > > this wonderful article from the R. K. Math's Vedanta Kesari magazine. > > Thakur (Sri Ramakrishna) was most fond of Swami Vivekananda and > > refered to him as one of the Saptarishi's whom he had brought along > > for his earthly lila. This article is regarding that. Hope you enjoy > > reading. > > > > Best wishes for new year, > > > > Sourav > > ==================================================================== > > Link for the article: > > http://www.sriramakrishnamath.org/magazine/vk/2005/3-3-3.asp > > ==================================================================== > > > [This message contained attachments] > > > > ____________________ __ > ____________________ __ > > Message: 3 > Sat, 31 Dec 2005 05:52:43 -0000 > " Nitin " > Re: Do gemstones have basis in the classics? And other questions, > please read.. > > ||| Aum Krishna Guru ||| > > Dear Sundeep Ji and Kist Members, Namaskaar. > > Allow me to share some of my understanding, though I have come a bit > late to this thread… > > Hi Sundeep: > On 12/31/05, vedicastrostudent wrote: > > 1) First, is gemstone use sanctioned by the classics (Parasara, > Jaimini etc)? > > [Via NK] > Yes. > > One example where metals have been described are for the propitiation > of the planets during certain births. Consider reading Brihat Parasara > Hora Shastra (BPHS); chapter 88. > > [Via Ramapriya] > I'll try to answer you with a convoluted analogy. You'll be aware that > the foundation of ayurvedic prescriptions is whether the native in > question is kaphic, pitthic (for the want of better terms) or whatever > else. > > [Via NK] > Vaata > Pitta > Kapaha > …. Are the 3 commonly used terms… > > > 2) Second, assuming you give me some sort of positive answer to the > first question: Does a gemstone (a) Increase the *strength* of the > planet in question or (b) Does it increase the *effects* of the > planet in question. > > [Via NK] > (a) You are **enhancing** the effects of the planet (graha) after > having analayzed what it is doing for the native by studying the Rashi > as well as the subdivisonals (vargas). > > (b) You can increase or decrease, depending on what hand / finger / > part of the body the gem is used. > > Pt. Rath talked more about this on the remedial measures conference at > the SJC W. Coast '02. More was recently touched up at the SJC NYC > Conference '05. > > If I recall correctly, PVR Narasimha Rao also went over how the > Trikonas of the Rashi mapped onto the fingers at a conference in > Princeton several years ago. > A simple example that illustrates the difference > is: Say you have a debilitated planet. Would wearing a gem for the > planet strengthen it so that effects of its debilitation do not show, > > [Via NK] > Assume that Venus (Shukra) is causing a Malvaya yoga in the Rahsi. > [Venus in a Quadrant in exaltation or own sign.] > > While this can be interpreted as luxuries for the native at a certain > time, if it is a maaraka in the Somnath Drekkana, there will be > reduction of ojas in the body. > > > > > > [Via Ramapriya] > The latter, imo. A deb planet isn't just weak, it's trying to exhibit > its less desired qualities. That maleficence is what's curbed. > > [Via NK] > Ramapriya -- this is one opinion. I disagree. > > > > > > OR, would wearing a gem for the planet accentuate the manifestation > of its debilitation in your life? > > [Via Ramapriya] > Yikes, why would anyone want to prescribe a gemstone had that been the > case? > > [Via NK] > Tell me – would you like to provide more power to a planet that is > causing some distress in your chart? > > OR > > … would you like to cause it some debility so that its effects are > reduced…? If you say " (a) " , then the right approach to choosing gemstones should > be to wear stones to strengthen weak functional benefics in a chart, no? > [Via NK] > The whole chart has to be examined in perspective. One approach is to > better understand what area of life the native is being challenged and > needs a gemstone? > > Some have also used Dashas for timing the use of specific gems which > come along the line of remedies. > > > > However, if you say " (b) " , then the right approach should be to wear > stones of strong functional benefics to counteract the effects of weak > or functional malefics, no? What is the truth and why? I have over the > years received several contradictory recommendations based I feel on > whether the astrologer thought along the lines of " (a) " or " (b) " . > > [Via NK] > Same as above. > > > > > [Via Ramapriya] > > Unless astrology goes the way of western science, this problem will > persist, I'm afraid. Documentation is nigh unheard of, that of > systematic research data much less so. I've seen a few coves give such > consistent correct predictions by looking at just D-1 and D-9 that I'm > for one convinced that this isn't tomfoolery. The trouble is in making > available as a referencable document, that which those people know. > > [Via NK] > This is subjective. However, I will agree that a " referencable > document " may be handy to some… > > > > 3)Thirdly, is functional beneficence (if thats a word) > > [Via Ramapriya] > It is a very valid astro term, what do you mean? Tis also something > that I personally use each time when I see a chart; that and temporary > interplanetary relationships. > > the key quality to enhance or is natural beneficence also worth > enhancing? For example, would you ever enhance a natural benefic if it > was also a functional malefic, or would its functional maleficence > always be an overriding factor in preventing such a recommendation? > > > [Via Nk] > With definitions and terms, I would consider the difference between: > > Saumya > Krura > > Shubha > Paapa > > > > [Via Ramapriya] > It's a bit like subhargala and papargala. Me, Ju and Ve always give > subhargala irrespective of your lagna. Their basic traits won't > dissolve just because they get to be functional benefics/malefics. Ju > still remains the natural putrakaraka if you're a Libran, just as Ma > will win you the battle if you're a Leo, albeit with a lost eye. > > [Via NK] > What if Mecury is with a Krura graha….? > > > > I'd definitely strengthen a weak yogakaraka unless it's placed > somewhere like 6th or 8th - and yogakaraka by definition is a > functional benefic. > > [Via NK] > Pt. Rath has gone more into the use of gems in the Delhi ATRI class > using the 9th House as an example. > > > 4) Fourthly, how do gemstones affect chara karaktwa? > > [Via Ramapriya] > Well, if that girl in the front row had been drooling over your guitar > and you were wearing the stone of the GK, the drummer goes with her > after the show... know what I mean? > > [Via NK] > Try to understand the difference between the 3… > > Tan > Man > Yan > > You cannot adorn a jivatman with a stone. > > > > > > 5) Fifthly, a very specific question: it seems to be a fairly common > recommendation that yellow sapphire or pearl be worn only during the > period of a waxing moon. Is this correct, and does the waxing moon > start from sukla panchami or is it anytime after the new moon? > > [Via Ramapriya] > Waxing commences after amavasya but Mo gets to be nicely benefic post > panchami. > > > [Via NK] > Depends on what you are trying to achieve. > > > > May the Gurus continue to guide us. > > Best wishes, > Nitin. > > || Namah Shivaaya || > > > > > > > ____________________ __ > ____________________ __ > > Message: 4 > Sat, 31 Dec 2005 06:25:22 -0000 > " Nitin " > Re: gem stones or japam - please help > > ||| Hare Rama Krishna ||| > > Dear Ramapriya and List Members, Namaskaar. > > Ramapriya – what made you suggest that a fast has to be kept on a > Sunday for the native? > > There is a difference between: > > 1) Chara (Temporal) Karakas > 2) Sthira (Fixed) Karakas > 3) Naisargika (Natural) Karakas > > Is what you thought of based on the Chara Karaka scheme? > > > > > I am probably diverging a bit here but if referring to the Upa / Vyaya > / Gauna Pdad, then I can relate to the fasting but not for issues > relating to children. > /message/16444 > > This is not related to the Chara Karakas, but ARUDHAS. > > This is from SunRISE to SunSET and there is a reason for this. These > are Nirjal fasts. > vedic astrology/message/26309 > > May the Gurus continue to guide us. > > Regards, > Nitin. > > || Namah Shivaaya || > > > What is the basis for recommending the 24hr. fast below? > > > > On 12/30/05, hencyjoseph wrote: > > and, as prescribed by my colleague, i became vegetarian on thursday. > > Didn't you ask him why Thu? A touch odd that, seeing Ju in Cp. > > is it not needed to recite mantras to strengthen jupiter or wear > yellow saphire? > > Easy to get tempted by that sort of thinking, but you can't ignore > that Ju is in 6th. You're also running the Li ND. What if you get > pancreatitis or even diabetes? Can't have you sue me for good advice, > what? > But you can probably start wearing a yellow sapphire from when your Vi > ND activates. Ju will still be a badhaka but thatsaurite. > > how to do fasting? is it from sunrise to sunset? not even drink water? > > I'd suggest a 24-hr fast. If you live in southern India, it'd be silly > not to hydrate yourself with water, unless you prefer a cure worse > than the affliction > > Ramapriya > ayirpamar@g... > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > hi ramapriya, > > thankyou for your time. > is it not necessary to strengthen jupiter ? as such, i was feeling > very happy that my jupiter antardasa is running, and i will have a > child. > and, as prescribed by my colleague, i became vegetarian on thursday. > > is it not needed to recite mantras to strengthen jupiter or wear > yellow saphire ? > > how to do fasting ? is it from sunrise to sunset ? not even drink > > === message truncated === > > > > _____ > > for Good - Make > <http://us.rd./mail_us/taglines/charity/*http://brand..c om/cyb > ergivingweek2005/> a difference this year. > > *tat savitur varenyam* > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2006 Report Share Posted January 2, 2006 On 1/1/06, sameer_sawhney <icecoolsam wrote: I think I have KSY in my chart and I dont have any criminal tendencies till now Can you please elaborate on what you mean by " if it really gets activated " ? My details : 27/7/76, 6:25am, Chandigarh. You thought right. You've lovely KSYs in both D-1 and D-9. KSY usually fructifies in your 40s, and you're not even 30 yet. Keep your fangs polished; the tendencies they're-a-coming ) ) Ramapriya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2006 Report Share Posted January 2, 2006  ~~ om sadÄÅ›iva gurave namah ~~ Dear Sameer I think you are lucky in the Moon Venus and Mercury badly breaking the Kala Sarpa yoga...in simpler words Mercury shall break its teeth and the others shall kill the snake. Mar gaya bechara! So thank Sri Lakshmi Narayana for doing this great favor for you without youeven realising it. Ven & Merc indicate Ista and AK yoga also. So where is the dead KSY? Has it been buried? No not yet. You have 3 malefics in kendra indicating that it has taken another form of sarpa yoga that shows strong sexuality. Now you need to really control this else all the veerya that should be conserved for spirituality shall be wasted in useless relationships or excesses. Here again Sri Narayana helps. Worship Sri Badri-Narayana like Narada Muni and try to maintain celibacy. With best wishes & warm regards, Yours truly Sanjay Rath Webpages: http://srath.com http://.org http://sjcerc.com Atri SJC: 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India Phone: +91.11.25717162 - sameer_sawhney [icecoolsam] Sunday, January 01, 2006 11:57 PMsohamsa Subject: Re: Thank You Dear Sanjay,NamaskaarI think I have KSY in my chart and I dont have any criminal tendencies till now Can you please elaborate on what you mean by "if it really gets activated" ?My details : 27/7/76, 6:25am, Chandigarh.regards,Sameersohamsa , "Sanjay Rath" <guruji@s...> wrote:>> > > ~~ om sadâúiva gurave namah ~~> Dear Manisha> Kala Sarpa produces criminals if it really gets activated. You don't have> it, and thank God for that.> With best wishes & warm regards,> Yours truly> Sanjay Rath> > Webpages: <http://srath.com/> http://srath.com <http://.org/>> http://.org <http://sjcerc.com/> http://sjcerc.com> Atri SJC: 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India> Phone: +91.11.25717162> -> > > _____ > > Manisha Chulani [manisha_chulani] > Saturday, December 31, 2005 9:55 PM> sohamsa > Thank You> > > Dear Friends,> I would like to thank you so much for reading my chart, and from what I> understand my Deva Ishta is the Moon, and was well as my Ishta Devta is> Krishna (that i was told about), so I guess I can focus on the moon, as what> I read on the sjc site on the purpose of my deva ishta. I too I guess> subcounsiously knew that if I could find the right alliance (key being> right) I would be much more relaxed. The Kal Sarpa Yoga, some people have> told me i have it, but the others have told me as one member who said i had,> and another has told me that i havent, becuase i didnt have one graha i> dont. But if I were to understand what Kal Sarpa Yoga is that sometimes when> everything is going right, but just before it gets finished, and gets pushed> away or delayed, then yes that has happened at least a few times in my life.> And yes I am trying to be more relaxed and able to have a decent> conversation with others, rather then getting anxious as I have people ask> me if i am, (and its true sometimes i am) but i would rather seem at ease> and able to talk freely and openly with people. > > And thanks for your advice, from what I gather, I should try to focus on the> moon, so would do a satnaryna katha be a good solution. > > Thanks for taking the time to read my charts.> > Regards,> Manisha> > sohamsa wrote: > > > There are 17 messages in this issue.> > Topics in this digest:> > 1. Re: Advice> "Nitin" > 2. Re: Of the Saptarishis who is Narendranath (Swami Vivekananda)> "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" > 3. Re: Do gemstones have basis in the classics? And other questions, please> read..> "Nitin" > 4. Re: gem stones or japam - please help> "Nitin" > 5. Re: Should I wear moon sign stone? (Manu Ji, et al)> "Nitin" > 6. Re: Re: gem stones or japam - please help> Ramapriya D > 7. Re: Siva Palan - Analysis Request> "Nitin" > 8. Re: gem stones or japam - please help> "Nitin" > 9. Re: Navamsa 8th lord in 7th house> "Ajay Zharotia" > 10. Re: Of the Saptarishis who is Narendranath (Swami Vivekananda)> "Sourav Chowdhury" > 11. Re: Of the Saptarishis who is Narendranath (Swami Vivekananda)> "Sourav Chowdhury" > 12. RE: Re: #2 Palana Devata-Ram Bagala> lakshmi ramesh > 13. Shri C.S. Patels Birthday> "Visti Larsen" > 14. Re: Re: Siva Palan - Analysis Request> Ramapriya D > 15. Re: Re: gem stones or japam - please help> Ramapriya D > 16. RE: Digest Number 198> "Branka Dragisic" > 17. Re: UL Analysis request> "king23.rm" > > > ______________________> ______________________> > Message: 1 > Sat, 31 Dec 2005 05:11:27 -0000> "Nitin" > Re: Advice> > ||| Aum Krishna Guru |||> > Dear Manisha Ji and List members, Namaskaar. > > Allow me to share some of my understanding. > > The Chara AtmaKaraka in this chart is Mercury (Buddh). The spark of> the Jivatman will bring about a search and challenges relating to the> 5th House (Bhakti, devotion, etc) and the 8th House (transformations,> the unknown, etc.) in the inner most point in the chart – the 4th> House (reflection of the home / mother / nurturing, etc)…> > One of the greatest challenges (amongst other interpretations) could> be the person being challenged in offering hope to others, whereas the> same may not be returned when sought…> > > On a more mundane level, one of the natural (naisargik) significations> of Mercury is of communication. You will also be challenged here and> this year has found you more devoid of the energy to speak, or to find> a way to express yourself in a more comfortable manner, as also> revealed by you. This will change around 29. > > Dwelling more on spirituality, there is a Kaala Sarpa yoga formed as> Michal has observed. Slightly different interpretation -- there will> be frustration at moments where you will waver between the spiritual> and the material life. > > Ramapriya – the sarpa yoga is complete, irrespective of the Lagna's> direct involvement. Examine the co-lords carefully. > > The native will have respite from this from some possible scenarios:> > 1) An alliance or a partner who is reflected by the Moon in the 7th> House (Satya Peetha). When considering the Chara Karakas, we are> reflecting upon the spark of the soul. Hence, the spirit of the> alliance will be akin to a nurturing personality. It need not indicate> the spouse. > 2) Age 32 – 33, you will come across a partner reflecting the above.> Should it happen, please confirm later. > 3) Mid 40's – the Sarpa yoga will fructify and there could be a great> rise for the native. [if the Navamsa is accurate, you may be> questioned on the work you have done and what has brought you thus far> at that time…]> > Appeasing the Moon or having it in your favour also protects your> image (Arudha). > [9th from the AL]> > The Moon is not only the Ishta, but the Dharma Devta as well. > http://www..org/jyotishlessons/lessons/chara-karaka.htm> > May the Gurus continue to guide us. > > Best wishes, > Nitin.> > || Namah Shivaaya ||> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.> > > > ::Hare Rama Krsna::> > Hi Manisha,> > Just a point about your chart. You have a combination called Kala> Sarpa yoga, when all the planets are hemmed in between Rahu and Ketu.> This will often result in a person feeling a lack of direction in> their lives, a kind of limitation they experience. Planets that> conjoin the nodes or that are placed in 1st or 7th houses can break> this yoga. For you Moon is the only such planet. It is also your> Ishta devata, so worship of Krishna with the Maha mantra will greatly> benefit you and provide a greater sense of spiritual well being. Moon> is also Dara karaka, so relief will come through the spouse. So fast> on Fridays from sunrise to sunset and marriage will bring you fortune. > > Hope this helps,> Michal> > ::Om Namo Narayanaya::> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.> > manisha_chulani wrote:> Hi Sanjay, > My birthday is > June 21st, 1977> Time of Birth: 10:54pm> Place of Birth: Hong Kong> > Thank you, > Manisha> sohamsa , Sanjay Prabhakaran > wrote:> >> > || Om Gurave Namah ||> > Dear Manisha,> > Why dont you attach your Chart or Birth Details. Jyotish members > may then> > be able to help you.> > Warm Regards> > Sanjay P> > > > On 12/29/05, Manisha Chulani wrote:> > >> > > Dear Friends,> > >> > > I hope you can offer me some suggestions. I know last year I was > attending> > > an aryuvedic conference (which too incorporates jyotish). I know > that they> > > were talking about something a powder and also some suggestions. > I wasnt> > > able to follow it. However, one of my new years resolution is to > feel at> > > ease, to be able to be more intuitive and empathatic, and be > open and to> > > make conversation easily and openly and to be able to focus on > the world> > > outside, and empathazize, rather then be inside my own head. If > there is any> > > advice on that, that would be great, or any mantras, meditations,> > > techniques.> > >> > > Thanks,> > > Manisha> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>.> Untitled> > Natal Chart> > June 21, 1977> Time: 10:54:00 pm> Time Zone: 8:00:00 (East of GMT)> Place: 114 E 09' 00", 22 N 17' 00"> Hong Kong, Hong Kong> Altitude: 0.00 meters> > Lunar Yr-Mo: Pingala - Ashadha> Tithi: Sukla Panchami (Ju) (43.19% left)> Vedic Weekday: Tuesday (Ma)> Nakshatra: Magha (Ke) (89.61% left)> Yoga: Vajra (Mo) (90.35% left)> Karana: Balava (Mo) (86.37% left)> Hora Lord: Mercury (5 min sign: Le)> Mahakala Hora: Venus (5 min sign: Sc)> Kaala Lord: Sun (Mahakala: Sun)> > Sunrise: 5:40:26 am> Sunset: 7:09:39 pm> Janma Ghatis: 43.0653> > Ayanamsa: 23-32-38.58> Sidereal Time: 16:29:21> > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa> > Lagna 7 Aq 03' 07.37" Sata 1 Aq Sg> Sun - PK 6 Ge 34' 03.89" Mrig 4 Ge Sc> Moon - DK 1 Le 23' 07.24" Magh 1 Le Ar> Mars - PiK 17 Ar 53' 29.64" Bhar 2 Ar Vi> Mercury - AK 26 Ta 30' 50.10" Mrig 1 Ta Le> Jupiter - AmK 24 Ta 05' 46.90" Mrig 1 Ta Le> Venus - BK 20 Ar 58' 23.21" Bhar 3 Ar Li> Saturn - MK 20 Cn 32' 18.64" Asre 2 Cn Cp> Rahu - GK 27 Vi 15' 08.99" Chit 2 Vi Vi> Ketu 27 Pi 15' 08.99" Reva 4 Pi Pi> Maandi 16 Sg 30' 37.50" PSha 1 Sg Le> Gulika 7 Sg 14' 58.37" Mool 3 Sg Ge> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > ______________________> ______________________> > Message: 2 > Sat, 31 Dec 2005 00:23:00 -0500> "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" > Re: Of the Saptarishis who is Narendranath (Swami Vivekananda)> > Dear Sourav,> > Thanks for the link and I read that article.> > It is interesting that I should see this mail from you today. Just a couple> of days, I was about to sleep and just closed my eyes. I vividly saw the> face of somebody who appeared like a maharshi. The face is still fresh in my> memory and I never such a person in real life. He had a thin long face with> Vaishnava style lines on forehead. He had a pleasant and radiant face. After> that face remained in my vision for a few seconds, suddenly Swami> Vivekananda's face sprang from it and the face of maharshi disappeared.> > I have no doubt that Swami Vivekananda is a maharshi's incarnation. However,> I am not sure I agree with the conclusion of the author that Narendra was an> incarnation of Sage Bhrigu.> > Instead of speculating on whether there are only 7 maharshis in Rishi> Mandala or more and who those 7 maharshis are and speculating on the> similarity of the so-called "sattwik" and "dynamic" aspects of Maharshi> Bhrigu and Swami Vivekananda, the author could have just gone by what Swami> Vivekananda himself described as being said by Ramakrishna to him.> > If you go to the end of the article, you see that Swami Vivekananda recounts> Ramakrishna telling him that he is Nara Maharshi. Narayana became Krishna> and guided Nara Maharshi who was born as Arjuna. Again, Narayana became> Ramakrishna and guided Nara Maharshi who was born as Narendra. The author's> speculation is totally unneeded and most likely incorrect. Narendra was in> all likelihood an incarnation of Nara Maharshi.> > May Ramakrishna's light shine on us, > Narasimha> -------------------------------> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org> -------------------------------> > sohamsa , "Sourav Chowdhury" wrote:> >> > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > > > Dear Friends and Learned Jyotishis,> > Namaskar. I would like to share > > this wonderful article from the R. K. Math's Vedanta Kesari magazine. > > Thakur (Sri Ramakrishna) was most fond of Swami Vivekananda and > > refered to him as one of the Saptarishi's whom he had brought along > > for his earthly lila. This article is regarding that. Hope you enjoy > > reading.> > > > Best wishes for new year,> > > > Sourav> > ====================================================================> > Link for the article:> > http://www.sriramakrishnamath.org/magazine/vk/2005/3-3-3.asp> > ====================================================================> > > [This message contained attachments]> > > > ______________________> ______________________> > Message: 3 > Sat, 31 Dec 2005 05:52:43 -0000> "Nitin" > Re: Do gemstones have basis in the classics? And other questions,> please read..> > ||| Aum Krishna Guru |||> > Dear Sundeep Ji and Kist Members, Namaskaar. > > Allow me to share some of my understanding, though I have come a bit> late to this thread… > > Hi Sundeep:> On 12/31/05, vedicastrostudent wrote: > > 1) First, is gemstone use sanctioned by the classics (Parasara, > Jaimini etc)?> > [Via NK]> Yes. > > One example where metals have been described are for the propitiation> of the planets during certain births. Consider reading Brihat Parasara> Hora Shastra (BPHS); chapter 88.> > > > > > > > > [Via Ramapriya]> I'll try to answer you with a convoluted analogy. You'll be aware that> the foundation of ayurvedic prescriptions is whether the native in> question is kaphic, pitthic (for the want of better terms) or whatever> else. > > [Via NK]> Vaata> Pitta > Kapaha > …. Are the 3 commonly used terms…> > > > > > > > > > 2) Second, assuming you give me some sort of positive answer to the > first question: Does a gemstone (a) Increase the *strength* of the > planet in question or (b) Does it increase the *effects* of the > planet in question. > > [Via NK]> (a) You are **enhancing** the effects of the planet (graha) after> having analayzed what it is doing for the native by studying the Rashi> as well as the subdivisonals (vargas). > > (b) You can increase or decrease, depending on what hand / finger /> part of the body the gem is used. > > Pt. Rath talked more about this on the remedial measures conference at> the SJC W. Coast '02. More was recently touched up at the SJC NYC> Conference '05. > > If I recall correctly, PVR Narasimha Rao also went over how the> Trikonas of the Rashi mapped onto the fingers at a conference in> Princeton several years ago. > > > > > > > > A simple example that illustrates the difference > is: Say you have a debilitated planet. Would wearing a gem for the > planet strengthen it so that effects of its debilitation do not show, > > [Via NK]> Assume that Venus (Shukra) is causing a Malvaya yoga in the Rahsi. > [Venus in a Quadrant in exaltation or own sign.] > > While this can be interpreted as luxuries for the native at a certain> time, if it is a maaraka in the Somnath Drekkana, there will be> reduction of ojas in the body. > > > > > > [Via Ramapriya]> The latter, imo. A deb planet isn't just weak, it's trying to exhibit> its less desired qualities. That maleficence is what's curbed.> > [Via NK]> Ramapriya -- this is one opinion. I disagree. > > > > > > OR, would wearing a gem for the planet accentuate the manifestation > of its debilitation in your life? > > [Via Ramapriya]> Yikes, why would anyone want to prescribe a gemstone had that been the> case?> > [Via NK]> Tell me – would you like to provide more power to a planet that is> causing some distress in your chart? > > OR > > … would you like to cause it some debility so that its effects are> reduced…?> > > > > > > If you say "(a)", then the right approach to choosing gemstones should> be to wear stones to strengthen weak functional benefics in a chart, no? > [Via NK]> The whole chart has to be examined in perspective. One approach is to> better understand what area of life the native is being challenged and> needs a gemstone? > > Some have also used Dashas for timing the use of specific gems which> come along the line of remedies. > > > > However, if you say "(b)", then the right approach should be to wear> stones of strong functional benefics to counteract the effects of weak> or functional malefics, no? What is the truth and why? I have over the> years received several contradictory recommendations based I feel on> whether the astrologer thought along the lines of "(a)" or "(b)". > > [Via NK]> Same as above. > > > > > [Via Ramapriya]> > Unless astrology goes the way of western science, this problem will> persist, I'm afraid. Documentation is nigh unheard of, that of> systematic research data much less so. I've seen a few coves give such> consistent correct predictions by looking at just D-1 and D-9 that I'm> for one convinced that this isn't tomfoolery. The trouble is in making> available as a referencable document, that which those people know. > > [Via NK]> This is subjective. However, I will agree that a "referencable> document" may be handy to some…> > > > 3)Thirdly, is functional beneficence (if thats a word)> > [Via Ramapriya]> It is a very valid astro term, what do you mean? Tis also something> that I personally use each time when I see a chart; that and temporary> interplanetary relationships.> > the key quality to enhance or is natural beneficence also worth> enhancing? For example, would you ever enhance a natural benefic if it> was also a functional malefic, or would its functional maleficence> always be an overriding factor in preventing such a recommendation? > > > [Via Nk]> With definitions and terms, I would consider the difference between: > > Saumya> Krura> > Shubha > Paapa> > > > [Via Ramapriya]> It's a bit like subhargala and papargala. Me, Ju and Ve always give> subhargala irrespective of your lagna. Their basic traits won't> dissolve just because they get to be functional benefics/malefics. Ju> still remains the natural putrakaraka if you're a Libran, just as Ma> will win you the battle if you're a Leo, albeit with a lost eye. > > [Via NK]> What if Mecury is with a Krura graha….?> > > > > > > > > > > I'd definitely strengthen a weak yogakaraka unless it's placed> somewhere like 6th or 8th - and yogakaraka by definition is a> functional benefic.> > [Via NK]> Pt. Rath has gone more into the use of gems in the Delhi ATRI class> using the 9th House as an example. > > > 4) Fourthly, how do gemstones affect chara karaktwa?> > [Via Ramapriya]> Well, if that girl in the front row had been drooling over your guitar> and you were wearing the stone of the GK, the drummer goes with her> after the show... know what I mean? > > [Via NK]> Try to understand the difference between the 3…> > Tan> Man> Yan> > You cannot adorn a jivatman with a stone. > > > > > > 5) Fifthly, a very specific question: it seems to be a fairly common > recommendation that yellow sapphire or pearl be worn only during the > period of a waxing moon. Is this correct, and does the waxing moon > start from sukla panchami or is it anytime after the new moon?> > [Via Ramapriya]> Waxing commences after amavasya but Mo gets to be nicely benefic post> panchami.> > > [Via NK]> Depends on what you are trying to achieve. > > > > May the Gurus continue to guide us. > > Best wishes, > Nitin.> > || Namah Shivaaya ||> > > > > > > ______________________> ______________________> > Message: 4 > Sat, 31 Dec 2005 06:25:22 -0000> "Nitin" > Re: gem stones or japam - please help> > ||| Hare Rama Krishna |||> > Dear Ramapriya and List Members, Namaskaar. > > Ramapriya – what made you suggest that a fast has to be kept on a> Sunday for the native? > > There is a difference between: > > 1) Chara (Temporal) Karakas> 2) Sthira (Fixed) Karakas> 3) Naisargika (Natural) Karakas> > Is what you thought of based on the Chara Karaka scheme? > > > > > I am probably diverging a bit here but if referring to the Upa / Vyaya> / Gauna Pdad, then I can relate to the fasting but not for issues> relating to children. > /message/16444> > This is not related to the Chara Karakas, but ARUDHAS. > > This is from SunRISE to SunSET and there is a reason for this. These> are Nirjal fasts. > vedic astrology/message/26309> > May the Gurus continue to guide us. > > Regards, > Nitin.> > || Namah Shivaaya ||> > > > > > > > > > What is the basis for recommending the 24hr. fast below? > > > > On 12/30/05, hencyjoseph wrote: > > and, as prescribed by my colleague, i became vegetarian on thursday.> > Didn't you ask him why Thu? A touch odd that, seeing Ju in Cp.> > is it not needed to recite mantras to strengthen jupiter or wear> yellow saphire?> > Easy to get tempted by that sort of thinking, but you can't ignore> that Ju is in 6th. You're also running the Li ND. What if you get> pancreatitis or even diabetes? Can't have you sue me for good advice,> what? > But you can probably start wearing a yellow sapphire from when your Vi> ND activates. Ju will still be a badhaka but thatsaurite.> > how to do fasting? is it from sunrise to sunset? not even drink water?> > I'd suggest a 24-hr fast. If you live in southern India, it'd be silly> not to hydrate yourself with water, unless you prefer a cure worse> than the affliction > > Ramapriya> ayirpamar@g...> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > hi ramapriya,> > thankyou for your time.> is it not necessary to strengthen jupiter ? as such, i was feeling> very happy that my jupiter antardasa is running, and i will have a> child.> and, as prescribed by my colleague, i became vegetarian on thursday.> > is it not needed to recite mantras to strengthen jupiter or wear> yellow saphire ?> > how to do fasting ? is it from sunrise to sunset ? not even drink> > === message truncated ===> > > > _____ > > for Good - Make> <http://us.rd./mail_us/taglines/charity/*http://brand./cyb> ergivingweek2005/> a difference this year. > > *tat savitur varenyam* > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2006 Report Share Posted January 2, 2006  ~~ om sadÄÅ›iva gurave namah ~~ Dear Gobind Ek-om-kaara sat-guru-prashad...have you given om to the world today? How many times did you say it - 1, 1000 or 1 lakh? That is the key. With best wishes & warm regards, Yours truly Sanjay Rath Webpages: http://srath.com http://.org http://sjcerc.com Atri SJC: 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India Phone: +91.11.25717162 - Manjit Chopra [manjitc] Saturday, December 31, 2005 11:36 PMsohamsa Subject: RE: Thank You Rath jee,is there a special key which has to beactivated before you Gyani's respond,i have been a socalled silent member of the group as no body wouldrespond,i am trying to learn Jyotish and Devinity fromyou learned scolars but alas of no avail.WELL STILLHAVE A HAPPY NEW YEAR.Gobionder gary singhchopra,MB.,BS.,MD.--- Sanjay Rath <guruji wrote:> > > ~~ om sadâúiva gurave namah ~~> Dear Manisha> Kala Sarpa produces criminals if it really gets> activated. You don't have> it, and thank God for that.> With best wishes & warm regards,> Yours truly> Sanjay Rath>> Webpages: <http://srath.com/> http://srath.com > <http://.org/>> http://.org <http://sjcerc.com/>> http://sjcerc.com> Atri SJC: 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi> 110060, India> Phone: +91.11.25717162>-> > > _____ > > Manisha Chulani> [manisha_chulani] > Saturday, December 31, 2005 9:55 PM> sohamsa > Thank You> > > Dear Friends,> I would like to thank you so much for reading my> chart, and from what I> understand my Deva Ishta is the Moon, and was well> as my Ishta Devta is> Krishna (that i was told about), so I guess I can> focus on the moon, as what> I read on the sjc site on the purpose of my deva> ishta. I too I guess> subcounsiously knew that if I could find the right> alliance (key being> right) I would be much more relaxed. The Kal Sarpa> Yoga, some people have> told me i have it, but the others have told me as> one member who said i had,> and another has told me that i havent, becuase i> didnt have one graha i> dont. But if I were to understand what Kal Sarpa> Yoga is that sometimes when> everything is going right, but just before it gets> finished, and gets pushed> away or delayed, then yes that has happened at least> a few times in my life.> And yes I am trying to be more relaxed and able to> have a decent> conversation with others, rather then getting> anxious as I have people ask> me if i am, (and its true sometimes i am) but i> would rather seem at ease> and able to talk freely and openly with people. > > And thanks for your advice, from what I gather, I> should try to focus on the> moon, so would do a satnaryna katha be a good> solution. > > Thanks for taking the time to read my charts.> > Regards,> Manisha> > sohamsa wrote: > > > There are 17 messages in this issue.> > Topics in this digest:> > 1. Re: Advice> "Nitin" > 2. Re: Of the Saptarishis who is Narendranath (Swami> Vivekananda)> "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" > 3. Re: Do gemstones have basis in the classics? And> other questions, please> read..> "Nitin" > 4. Re: gem stones or japam - please help> "Nitin" > 5. Re: Should I wear moon sign stone? (Manu Ji, et> al)> "Nitin" > 6. Re: Re: gem stones or japam - please help> Ramapriya D > 7. Re: Siva Palan - Analysis Request> "Nitin" > 8. Re: gem stones or japam - please help> "Nitin" > 9. Re: Navamsa 8th lord in 7th house> "Ajay Zharotia" > 10. Re: Of the Saptarishis who is Narendranath> (Swami Vivekananda)> "Sourav Chowdhury" > 11. Re: Of the Saptarishis who is Narendranath> (Swami Vivekananda)> "Sourav Chowdhury" > 12. RE: Re: #2 Palana Devata-Ram Bagala> lakshmi ramesh > 13. Shri C.S. Patels Birthday> "Visti Larsen" > 14. Re: Re: Siva Palan - Analysis Request> Ramapriya D > 15. Re: Re: gem stones or japam - please help> Ramapriya D > 16. RE: Digest Number 198> "Branka Dragisic" > 17. Re: UL Analysis request> "king23.rm" > > >______________________>______________________> > Message: 1 > Sat, 31 Dec 2005 05:11:27 -0000> "Nitin" > Re: Advice> > ||| Aum Krishna Guru |||> > Dear Manisha Ji and List members, Namaskaar. > > Allow me to share some of my understanding. > > The Chara AtmaKaraka in this chart is Mercury> (Buddh). The spark of> the Jivatman will bring about a search and> challenges relating to the> 5th House (Bhakti, devotion, etc) and the 8th House> (transformations,> the unknown, etc.) in the inner most point in the> chart – the 4th> House (reflection of the home / mother / nurturing,> etc)…> > One of the greatest challenges (amongst other> interpretations) could> be the person being challenged in offering hope to> others, whereas the> same may not be returned when sought…> > > On a more mundane level, one of the natural> (naisargik) significations> of Mercury is of communication. You will also be> challenged here and> this year has found you more devoid of the energy to> speak, or to find> a way to express yourself in a more comfortable> manner, as also> revealed by you. This will change around 29. > > Dwelling more on spirituality, there is a Kaala> Sarpa yoga formed as> Michal has observed. Slightly different> interpretation -- there will> be frustration at moments where you will waver> between the spiritual> and the material life. > > Ramapriya – the sarpa yoga is complete, irrespective> of the Lagna's> direct involvement. Examine the co-lords carefully. > > The native will have respite from this from some> possible scenarios:> > 1) An alliance or a partner who is reflected by the> Moon in the 7th> House (Satya Peetha). When considering the Chara> Karakas, we are> reflecting upon the spark of the soul. Hence, the> spirit of the> alliance will be akin to a nurturing personality. It> need not indicate> the spouse. > 2) Age 32 – 33, you will come across a partner> reflecting the above.> Should it happen, please confirm later. > 3) Mid 40's – the Sarpa yoga will fructify and there> could be a great> rise for the native. [if the Navamsa is accurate,> you may be> questioned on the work you have done and what has> brought you thus far> at that time…]> > Appeasing the Moon or having it in your favour also> protects your> image (Arudha). > [9th from the AL]> === message truncated === ________ DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2006 Report Share Posted January 2, 2006 Dear Sanjay, It's beyond my ken, this Moon in 7th breaking KSY. Could you elaborate a touch? I've not exactly been current with these things, like you know ) Respects, Ramapriya ayirpamar On 1/2/06, Sanjay Rath <guruji wrote: ~~ om sadâúiva gurave namah ~~ Dear Ramapriya Thats right - the Moon in the 7th house is breaking the Kala Sarpa of the chart. This is KRISHNAwithout an iota of doubt and the specific form is Kalia Mardana. She should worship Krishna in this form and then she will be delighted with what life has to offer. What is the Kalia mardana mantra??? The KSY is definitely broken by Krishna. Keeping a conch at home and visiting Jagannath Puri (Conch Kshetra) see picture - is very auspicious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2006 Report Share Posted January 2, 2006 |JAI SRIRAM| Dear guruji, How is Venus become the ista.Jupiter is the 12th lord from karakamsa. Thanks, S.Venkatesh Sanjay Rath <guruji wrote:  ~~ om sadÄÅ›iva gurave namah ~~ Dear Sameer I think you are lucky in the Moon Venus and Mercury badly breaking the Kala Sarpa yoga...in simpler words Mercury shall break its teeth and the others shall kill the snake. Mar gaya bechara! So thank Sri Lakshmi Narayana for doing this great favor for you without youeven realising it. Ven & Merc indicate Ista and AK yoga also. So where is the dead KSY? Has it been buried? No not yet. You have 3 malefics in kendra indicating that it has taken another form of sarpa yoga that shows strong sexuality. Now you need to really control this else all the veerya that should be conserved for spirituality shall be wasted in useless relationships or excesses. Here again Sri Narayana helps. Worship Sri Badri-Narayana like Narada Muni and try to maintain celibacy. With best wishes & warm regards, Yours truly Sanjay Rath Webpages: http://srath.com http://.org http://sjcerc.com Atri SJC: 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India Phone: +91.11.25717162 - sameer_sawhney [icecoolsam] Sunday, January 01, 2006 11:57 PMsohamsa Subject: Re: Thank You Dear Sanjay,NamaskaarI think I have KSY in my chart and I dont have any criminal tendencies till now Can you please elaborate on what you mean by "if it really gets activated" ?My details : 27/7/76, 6:25am, Chandigarh.regards,Sameersohamsa , "Sanjay Rath" <guruji@s...> wrote:>> > > ~~ om sadâúiva gurave namah ~~> Dear Manisha> Kala Sarpa produces criminals if it really gets activated. You don't have> it, and thank God for that.> With best wishes & warm regards,> Yours truly> Sanjay Rath> > Webpages: <http://srath.com/> http://srath.com <http://.org/>> http://.org <http://sjcerc.com/> http://sjcerc.com> Atri SJC: 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India> Phone: +91.11.25717162> -> > > _____ > > Manisha Chulani [manisha_chulani] > Saturday, December 31, 2005 9:55 PM> sohamsa > Thank You> > > Dear Friends,> I would like to thank you so much for reading my chart, and from what I> understand my Deva Ishta is the Moon, and was well as my Ishta Devta is> Krishna (that i was told about), so I guess I can focus on the moon, as what> I read on the sjc site on the purpose of my deva ishta. I too I guess> subcounsiously knew that if I could find the right alliance (key being> right) I would be much more relaxed. The Kal Sarpa Yoga, some people have> told me i have it, but the others have told me as one member who said i had,> and another has told me that i havent, becuase i didnt have one graha i> dont. But if I were to understand what Kal Sarpa Yoga is that sometimes when> everything is going right, but just before it gets finished, and gets pushed> away or delayed, then yes that has happened at least a few times in my life.> And yes I am trying to be more relaxed and able to have a decent> conversation with others, rather then getting anxious as I have people ask> me if i am, (and its true sometimes i am) but i would rather seem at ease> and able to talk freely and openly with people. > > And thanks for your advice, from what I gather, I should try to focus on the> moon, so would do a satnaryna katha be a good solution. > > Thanks for taking the time to read my charts.> > Regards,> Manisha> > sohamsa wrote: > > > There are 17 messages in this issue.> > Topics in this digest:> > 1. Re: Advice> "Nitin" > 2. Re: Of the Saptarishis who is Narendranath (Swami Vivekananda)> "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" > 3. Re: Do gemstones have basis in the classics? And other questions, please> read..> "Nitin" > 4. Re: gem stones or japam - please help> "Nitin" > 5. Re: Should I wear moon sign stone? (Manu Ji, et al)> "Nitin" > 6. Re: Re: gem stones or japam - please help> Ramapriya D > 7. Re: Siva Palan - Analysis Request> "Nitin" > 8. Re: gem stones or japam - please help> "Nitin" > 9. Re: Navamsa 8th lord in 7th house> "Ajay Zharotia" > 10. Re: Of the Saptarishis who is Narendranath (Swami Vivekananda)> "Sourav Chowdhury" > 11. Re: Of the Saptarishis who is Narendranath (Swami Vivekananda)> "Sourav Chowdhury" > 12. RE: Re: #2 Palana Devata-Ram Bagala> lakshmi ramesh > 13. Shri C.S. Patels Birthday> "Visti Larsen" > 14. Re: Re: Siva Palan - Analysis Request> Ramapriya D > 15. Re: Re: gem stones or japam - please help> Ramapriya D > 16. RE: Digest Number 198> "Branka Dragisic" > 17. Re: UL Analysis request> "king23.rm" > > > ______________________> ______________________> > Message: 1 > Sat, 31 Dec 2005 05:11:27 -0000> "Nitin" > Re: Advice> > ||| Aum Krishna Guru |||> > Dear Manisha Ji and List members, Namaskaar. > > Allow me to share some of my understanding. > > The Chara AtmaKaraka in this chart is Mercury (Buddh). The spark of> the Jivatman will bring about a search and challenges relating to the> 5th House (Bhakti, devotion, etc) and the 8th House (transformations,> the unknown, etc.) in the inner most point in the chart – the 4th> House (reflection of the home / mother / nurturing, etc)…> > One of the greatest challenges (amongst other interpretations) could> be the person being challenged in offering hope to others, whereas the> same may not be returned when sought…> > > On a more mundane level, one of the natural (naisargik) significations> of Mercury is of communication. You will also be challenged here and> this year has found you more devoid of the energy to speak, or to find> a way to express yourself in a more comfortable manner, as also> revealed by you. This will change around 29. > > Dwelling more on spirituality, there is a Kaala Sarpa yoga formed as> Michal has observed. Slightly different interpretation -- there will> be frustration at moments where you will waver between the spiritual> and the material life. > > Ramapriya – the sarpa yoga is complete, irrespective of the Lagna's> direct involvement. Examine the co-lords carefully. > > The native will have respite from this from some possible scenarios:> > 1) An alliance or a partner who is reflected by the Moon in the 7th> House (Satya Peetha). When considering the Chara Karakas, we are> reflecting upon the spark of the soul. Hence, the spirit of the> alliance will be akin to a nurturing personality. It need not indicate> the spouse. > 2) Age 32 – 33, you will come across a partner reflecting the above.> Should it happen, please confirm later. > 3) Mid 40's – the Sarpa yoga will fructify and there could be a great> rise for the native. [if the Navamsa is accurate, you may be> questioned on the work you have done and what has brought you thus far> at that time…]> > Appeasing the Moon or having it in your favour also protects your> image (Arudha). > [9th from the AL]> > The Moon is not only the Ishta, but the Dharma Devta as well. > http://www..org/jyotishlessons/lessons/chara-karaka.htm> > May the Gurus continue to guide us. > > Best wishes, > Nitin.> > || Namah Shivaaya ||> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.> > > > ::Hare Rama Krsna::> > Hi Manisha,> > Just a point about your chart. You have a combination called Kala> Sarpa yoga, when all the planets are hemmed in between Rahu and Ketu.> This will often result in a person feeling a lack of direction in> their lives, a kind of limitation they experience. Planets that> conjoin the nodes or that are placed in 1st or 7th houses can break> this yoga. For you Moon is the only such planet. It is also your> Ishta devata, so worship of Krishna with the Maha mantra will greatly> benefit you and provide a greater sense of spiritual well being. Moon> is also Dara karaka, so relief will come through the spouse. So fast> on Fridays from sunrise to sunset and marriage will bring you fortune. > > Hope this helps,> Michal> > ::Om Namo Narayanaya::> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.> > manisha_chulani wrote:> Hi Sanjay, > My birthday is > June 21st, 1977> Time of Birth: 10:54pm> Place of Birth: Hong Kong> > Thank you, > Manisha> sohamsa , Sanjay Prabhakaran > wrote:> >> > || Om Gurave Namah ||> > Dear Manisha,> > Why dont you attach your Chart or Birth Details. Jyotish members > may then> > be able to help you.> > Warm Regards> > Sanjay P> > > > On 12/29/05, Manisha Chulani wrote:> > >> > > Dear Friends,> > >> > > I hope you can offer me some suggestions. I know last year I was > attending> > > an aryuvedic conference (which too incorporates jyotish). I know > that they> > > were talking about something a powder and also some suggestions. > I wasnt> > > able to follow it. However, one of my new years resolution is to > feel at> > > ease, to be able to be more intuitive and empathatic, and be > open and to> > > make conversation easily and openly and to be able to focus on > the world> > > outside, and empathazize, rather then be inside my own head. If > there is any> > > advice on that, that would be great, or any mantras, meditations,> > > techniques.> > >> > > Thanks,> > > Manisha> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>.> Untitled> > Natal Chart> > June 21, 1977> Time: 10:54:00 pm> Time Zone: 8:00:00 (East of GMT)> Place: 114 E 09' 00", 22 N 17' 00"> Hong Kong, Hong Kong> Altitude: 0.00 meters> > Lunar Yr-Mo: Pingala - Ashadha> Tithi: Sukla Panchami (Ju) (43.19% left)> Vedic Weekday: Tuesday (Ma)> Nakshatra: Magha (Ke) (89.61% left)> Yoga: Vajra (Mo) (90.35% left)> Karana: Balava (Mo) (86.37% left)> Hora Lord: Mercury (5 min sign: Le)> Mahakala Hora: Venus (5 min sign: Sc)> Kaala Lord: Sun (Mahakala: Sun)> > Sunrise: 5:40:26 am> Sunset: 7:09:39 pm> Janma Ghatis: 43.0653> > Ayanamsa: 23-32-38.58> Sidereal Time: 16:29:21> > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa> > Lagna 7 Aq 03' 07.37" Sata 1 Aq Sg> Sun - PK 6 Ge 34' 03.89" Mrig 4 Ge Sc> Moon - DK 1 Le 23' 07.24" Magh 1 Le Ar> Mars - PiK 17 Ar 53' 29.64" Bhar 2 Ar Vi> Mercury - AK 26 Ta 30' 50.10" Mrig 1 Ta Le> Jupiter - AmK 24 Ta 05' 46.90" Mrig 1 Ta Le> Venus - BK 20 Ar 58' 23.21" Bhar 3 Ar Li> Saturn - MK 20 Cn 32' 18.64" Asre 2 Cn Cp> Rahu - GK 27 Vi 15' 08.99" Chit 2 Vi Vi> Ketu 27 Pi 15' 08.99" Reva 4 Pi Pi> Maandi 16 Sg 30' 37.50" PSha 1 Sg Le> Gulika 7 Sg 14' 58.37" Mool 3 Sg Ge> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > ______________________> ______________________> > Message: 2 > Sat, 31 Dec 2005 00:23:00 -0500> "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" > Re: Of the Saptarishis who is Narendranath (Swami Vivekananda)> > Dear Sourav,> > Thanks for the link and I read that article.> > It is interesting that I should see this mail from you today. Just a couple> of days, I was about to sleep and just closed my eyes. I vividly saw the> face of somebody who appeared like a maharshi. The face is still fresh in my> memory and I never such a person in real life. He had a thin long face with> Vaishnava style lines on forehead. He had a pleasant and radiant face. After> that face remained in my vision for a few seconds, suddenly Swami> Vivekananda's face sprang from it and the face of maharshi disappeared.> > I have no doubt that Swami Vivekananda is a maharshi's incarnation. However,> I am not sure I agree with the conclusion of the author that Narendra was an> incarnation of Sage Bhrigu.> > Instead of speculating on whether there are only 7 maharshis in Rishi> Mandala or more and who those 7 maharshis are and speculating on the> similarity of the so-called "sattwik" and "dynamic" aspects of Maharshi> Bhrigu and Swami Vivekananda, the author could have just gone by what Swami> Vivekananda himself described as being said by Ramakrishna to him.> > If you go to the end of the article, you see that Swami Vivekananda recounts> Ramakrishna telling him that he is Nara Maharshi. Narayana became Krishna> and guided Nara Maharshi who was born as Arjuna. Again, Narayana became> Ramakrishna and guided Nara Maharshi who was born as Narendra. The author's> speculation is totally unneeded and most likely incorrect. Narendra was in> all likelihood an incarnation of Nara Maharshi.> > May Ramakrishna's light shine on us, > Narasimha> -------------------------------> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org> -------------------------------> > sohamsa , "Sourav Chowdhury" wrote:> >> > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > > > Dear Friends and Learned Jyotishis,> > Namaskar. I would like to share > > this wonderful article from the R. K. Math's Vedanta Kesari magazine. > > Thakur (Sri Ramakrishna) was most fond of Swami Vivekananda and > > refered to him as one of the Saptarishi's whom he had brought along > > for his earthly lila. This article is regarding that. Hope you enjoy > > reading.> > > > Best wishes for new year,> > > > Sourav> > ====================================================================> > Link for the article:> > http://www.sriramakrishnamath.org/magazine/vk/2005/3-3-3.asp> > ====================================================================> > > [This message contained attachments]> > > > ______________________> ______________________> > Message: 3 > Sat, 31 Dec 2005 05:52:43 -0000> "Nitin" > Re: Do gemstones have basis in the classics? And other questions,> please read..> > ||| Aum Krishna Guru |||> > Dear Sundeep Ji and Kist Members, Namaskaar. > > Allow me to share some of my understanding, though I have come a bit> late to this thread… > > Hi Sundeep:> On 12/31/05, vedicastrostudent wrote: > > 1) First, is gemstone use sanctioned by the classics (Parasara, > Jaimini etc)?> > [Via NK]> Yes. > > One example where metals have been described are for the propitiation> of the planets during certain births. Consider reading Brihat Parasara> Hora Shastra (BPHS); chapter 88.> > > > > > > > > [Via Ramapriya]> I'll try to answer you with a convoluted analogy. You'll be aware that> the foundation of ayurvedic prescriptions is whether the native in> question is kaphic, pitthic (for the want of better terms) or whatever> else. > > [Via NK]> Vaata> Pitta > Kapaha > …. Are the 3 commonly used terms…> > > > > > > > > > 2) Second, assuming you give me some sort of positive answer to the > first question: Does a gemstone (a) Increase the *strength* of the > planet in question or (b) Does it increase the *effects* of the > planet in question. > > [Via NK]> (a) You are **enhancing** the effects of the planet (graha) after> having analayzed what it is doing for the native by studying the Rashi> as well as the subdivisonals (vargas). > > (b) You can increase or decrease, depending on what hand / finger /> part of the body the gem is used. > > Pt. Rath talked more about this on the remedial measures conference at> the SJC W. Coast '02. More was recently touched up at the SJC NYC> Conference '05. > > If I recall correctly, PVR Narasimha Rao also went over how the> Trikonas of the Rashi mapped onto the fingers at a conference in> Princeton several years ago. > > > > > > > > A simple example that illustrates the difference > is: Say you have a debilitated planet. Would wearing a gem for the > planet strengthen it so that effects of its debilitation do not show, > > [Via NK]> Assume that Venus (Shukra) is causing a Malvaya yoga in the Rahsi. > [Venus in a Quadrant in exaltation or own sign.] > > While this can be interpreted as luxuries for the native at a certain> time, if it is a maaraka in the Somnath Drekkana, there will be> reduction of ojas in the body. > > > > > > [Via Ramapriya]> The latter, imo. A deb planet isn't just weak, it's trying to exhibit> its less desired qualities. That maleficence is what's curbed.> > [Via NK]> Ramapriya -- this is one opinion. I disagree. > > > > > > OR, would wearing a gem for the planet accentuate the manifestation > of its debilitation in your life? > > [Via Ramapriya]> Yikes, why would anyone want to prescribe a gemstone had that been the> case?> > [Via NK]> Tell me – would you like to provide more power to a planet that is> causing some distress in your chart? > > OR > > … would you like to cause it some debility so that its effects are> reduced…?> > > > > > > If you say "(a)", then the right approach to choosing gemstones should> be to wear stones to strengthen weak functional benefics in a chart, no? > [Via NK]> The whole chart has to be examined in perspective. One approach is to> better understand what area of life the native is being challenged and> needs a gemstone? > > Some have also used Dashas for timing the use of specific gems which> come along the line of remedies. > > > > However, if you say "(b)", then the right approach should be to wear> stones of strong functional benefics to counteract the effects of weak> or functional malefics, no? What is the truth and why? I have over the> years received several contradictory recommendations based I feel on> whether the astrologer thought along the lines of "(a)" or "(b)". > > [Via NK]> Same as above. > > > > > [Via Ramapriya]> > Unless astrology goes the way of western science, this problem will> persist, I'm afraid. Documentation is nigh unheard of, that of> systematic research data much less so. I've seen a few coves give such> consistent correct predictions by looking at just D-1 and D-9 that I'm> for one convinced that this isn't tomfoolery. The trouble is in making> available as a referencable document, that which those people know. > > [Via NK]> This is subjective. However, I will agree that a "referencable> document" may be handy to some…> > > > 3)Thirdly, is functional beneficence (if thats a word)> > [Via Ramapriya]> It is a very valid astro term, what do you mean? Tis also something> that I personally use each time when I see a chart; that and temporary> interplanetary relationships.> > the key quality to enhance or is natural beneficence also worth> enhancing? For example, would you ever enhance a natural benefic if it> was also a functional malefic, or would its functional maleficence> always be an overriding factor in preventing such a recommendation? > > > [Via Nk]> With definitions and terms, I would consider the difference between: > > Saumya> Krura> > Shubha > Paapa> > > > [Via Ramapriya]> It's a bit like subhargala and papargala. Me, Ju and Ve always give> subhargala irrespective of your lagna. Their basic traits won't> dissolve just because they get to be functional benefics/malefics. Ju> still remains the natural putrakaraka if you're a Libran, just as Ma> will win you the battle if you're a Leo, albeit with a lost eye. > > [Via NK]> What if Mecury is with a Krura graha….?> > > > > > > > > > > I'd definitely strengthen a weak yogakaraka unless it's placed> somewhere like 6th or 8th - and yogakaraka by definition is a> functional benefic.> > [Via NK]> Pt. Rath has gone more into the use of gems in the Delhi ATRI class> using the 9th House as an example. > > > 4) Fourthly, how do gemstones affect chara karaktwa?> > [Via Ramapriya]> Well, if that girl in the front row had been drooling over your guitar> and you were wearing the stone of the GK, the drummer goes with her> after the show... know what I mean? > > [Via NK]> Try to understand the difference between the 3…> > Tan> Man> Yan> > You cannot adorn a jivatman with a stone. > > > > > > 5) Fifthly, a very specific question: it seems to be a fairly common > recommendation that yellow sapphire or pearl be worn only during the > period of a waxing moon. Is this correct, and does the waxing moon > start from sukla panchami or is it anytime after the new moon?> > [Via Ramapriya]> Waxing commences after amavasya but Mo gets to be nicely benefic post> panchami.> > > [Via NK]> Depends on what you are trying to achieve. > > > > May the Gurus continue to guide us. > > Best wishes, > Nitin.> > || Namah Shivaaya ||> > > > > > > ______________________> ______________________> > Message: 4 > Sat, 31 Dec 2005 06:25:22 -0000> "Nitin" > Re: gem stones or japam - please help> > ||| Hare Rama Krishna |||> > Dear Ramapriya and List Members, Namaskaar. > > Ramapriya – what made you suggest that a fast has to be kept on a> Sunday for the native? > > There is a difference between: > > 1) Chara (Temporal) Karakas> 2) Sthira (Fixed) Karakas> 3) Naisargika (Natural) Karakas> > Is what you thought of based on the Chara Karaka scheme? > > > > > I am probably diverging a bit here but if referring to the Upa / Vyaya> / Gauna Pdad, then I can relate to the fasting but not for issues> relating to children. > /message/16444> > This is not related to the Chara Karakas, but ARUDHAS. > > This is from SunRISE to SunSET and there is a reason for this. These> are Nirjal fasts. > vedic astrology/message/26309> > May the Gurus continue to guide us. > > Regards, > Nitin.> > || Namah Shivaaya ||> > > > > > > > > > What is the basis for recommending the 24hr. fast below? > > > > On 12/30/05, hencyjoseph wrote: > > and, as prescribed by my colleague, i became vegetarian on thursday.> > Didn't you ask him why Thu? A touch odd that, seeing Ju in Cp.> > is it not needed to recite mantras to strengthen jupiter or wear> yellow saphire?> > Easy to get tempted by that sort of thinking, but you can't ignore> that Ju is in 6th. You're also running the Li ND. What if you get> pancreatitis or even diabetes? Can't have you sue me for good advice,> what? > But you can probably start wearing a yellow sapphire from when your Vi> ND activates. Ju will still be a badhaka but thatsaurite.> > how to do fasting? is it from sunrise to sunset? not even drink water?> > I'd suggest a 24-hr fast. If you live in southern India, it'd be silly> not to hydrate yourself with water, unless you prefer a cure worse> than the affliction > > Ramapriya> ayirpamar@g...> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > hi ramapriya,> > thankyou for your time.> is it not necessary to strengthen jupiter ? as such, i was feeling> very happy that my jupiter antardasa is running, and i will have a> child.> and, as prescribed by my colleague, i became vegetarian on thursday.> > is it not needed to recite mantras to strengthen jupiter or wear> yellow saphire ?> > how to do fasting ? is it from sunrise to sunset ? not even drink> > === message truncated ===> > > > _____ > > for Good - Make> <http://us.rd./mail_us/taglines/charity/*http://brand./cyb> ergivingweek2005/> a difference this year. > > *tat savitur varenyam* > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2006 Report Share Posted January 2, 2006 Rath jee,namaskar.Elimnate my confusion.I am a clean shaven sikh MD a Board certified Neurologist In Las vegas Nevada.Wrong or right i am very much attracted towards Devi Lalita Tripursundari.I am hence praying with Sri vidya mantras,Devi Khadgamala Stotrum,both tripursundari and Kali.I also am doing Lord shivas,ganeshas pujas.Lakshmi puja and Hear and pray with devotion from Durga saptashati.Inspite of having a roaring practice,if i would have my way,i would stop or cut down upon practice and spend more time praying.I have read your articles and writings fondly and Look for direction.Your lowly servant Gobinder. --- Sanjay Rath <guruji wrote: > > > ~~ om sadÄÅ›iva gurave namah ~~ > Dear Gobind > Ek-om-kaara sat-guru-prashad...have you given om to > the world today? How many times did you say it - 1, > 1000 or 1 lakh? That is the key. > With best wishes & warm regards, > Yours truly > Sanjay Rath > > Webpages: <http://srath.com/> http://srath.com > <http://.org/> http://.org > <http://sjcerc.com/> http://sjcerc.com > Atri SJC: 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi > 110060, India > Phone: +91.11.25717162 > - > > > _____ > > Manjit Chopra [manjitc] > Saturday, December 31, 2005 11:36 PM > sohamsa > RE: Thank You > > > Rath jee,is there a special key which has to be > activated before you Gyani's respond,i have been a > so > called silent member of the group as no body would > respond,i am trying to learn Jyotish and Devinity > from > you learned scolars but alas of no avail.WELL STILL > HAVE A HAPPY NEW YEAR.Gobionder gary singh > chopra,MB.,BS.,MD. > > --- Sanjay Rath <guruji wrote: > > > > > > > ~~ om sadâúiva gurave namah ~~ > > Dear Manisha > > Kala Sarpa produces criminals if it really gets > > activated. You don't have > > it, and thank God for that. > > With best wishes & warm regards, > > Yours truly > > Sanjay Rath > > > > > Webpages: <http://srath.com/> http://srath.com > > <http://.org/> > > http://.org <http://sjcerc.com/> > > http://sjcerc.com > > Atri SJC: 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi > > 110060, India > > Phone: +91.11.25717162 > > > - > > > > > > _____ > > > > Manisha Chulani > > [manisha_chulani] > > Saturday, December 31, 2005 9:55 PM > > sohamsa > > Thank You > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > I would like to thank you so much for reading my > > chart, and from what I > > understand my Deva Ishta is the Moon, and was well > > as my Ishta Devta is > > Krishna (that i was told about), so I guess I can > > focus on the moon, as what > > I read on the sjc site on the purpose of my deva > > ishta. I too I guess > > subcounsiously knew that if I could find the right > > alliance (key being > > right) I would be much more relaxed. The Kal Sarpa > > Yoga, some people have > > told me i have it, but the others have told me as > > one member who said i had, > > and another has told me that i havent, becuase i > > didnt have one graha i > > dont. But if I were to understand what Kal Sarpa > > Yoga is that sometimes when > > everything is going right, but just before it gets > > finished, and gets pushed > > away or delayed, then yes that has happened at > least > > a few times in my life. > > And yes I am trying to be more relaxed and able to > > have a decent > > conversation with others, rather then getting > > anxious as I have people ask > > me if i am, (and its true sometimes i am) but i > > would rather seem at ease > > and able to talk freely and openly with people. > > > > And thanks for your advice, from what I gather, I > > should try to focus on the > > moon, so would do a satnaryna katha be a good > > solution. > > > > Thanks for taking the time to read my charts. > > > > Regards, > > Manisha > > > > sohamsa wrote: > > > > > > There are 17 messages in this issue. > > > > Topics in this digest: > > > > 1. Re: Advice > > " Nitin " > > 2. Re: Of the Saptarishis who is Narendranath > (Swami > > Vivekananda) > > " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " > > 3. Re: Do gemstones have basis in the classics? > And > > other questions, please > > read.. > > " Nitin " > > 4. Re: gem stones or japam - please help > > " Nitin " > > 5. Re: Should I wear moon sign stone? (Manu Ji, et > > al) > > " Nitin " > > 6. Re: Re: gem stones or japam - please help > > Ramapriya D > > 7. Re: Siva Palan - Analysis Request > > " Nitin " > > 8. Re: gem stones or japam - please help > > " Nitin " > > 9. Re: Navamsa 8th lord in 7th house > > " Ajay Zharotia " > > 10. Re: Of the Saptarishis who is Narendranath > > (Swami Vivekananda) > > " Sourav Chowdhury " > > 11. Re: Of the Saptarishis who is Narendranath > > (Swami Vivekananda) > > " Sourav Chowdhury " > > 12. RE: Re: #2 Palana Devata-Ram Bagala > > lakshmi ramesh > > 13. Shri C.S. Patels Birthday > > " Visti Larsen " > > 14. Re: Re: Siva Palan - Analysis Request > > Ramapriya D > > 15. Re: Re: gem stones or japam - please help > > Ramapriya D > > 16. RE: Digest Number 198 > > " Branka Dragisic " > > 17. Re: UL Analysis request > > " king23.rm " > > > > > > > ______________________ > > > ______________________ > > > > Message: 1 > > Sat, 31 Dec 2005 05:11:27 -0000 > > " Nitin " > > Re: Advice > > > > ||| Aum Krishna Guru ||| > > > > Dear Manisha Ji and List members, Namaskaar. > > > > Allow me to share some of my understanding. > > > > The Chara AtmaKaraka in this chart is Mercury > > (Buddh). The spark of > > the Jivatman will bring about a search and > > challenges relating to the > > 5th House (Bhakti, devotion, etc) and the 8th > House > > (transformations, > > the unknown, etc.) in the inner most point in the > > chart – the 4th > > House (reflection of the home / mother / > nurturing, > > etc)… > > > > One of the greatest challenges (amongst other > > interpretations) could > > be the person being challenged in offering hope to > > others, whereas the > > same may not be returned when sought… > > > > > === message truncated === for Good - Make a difference this year. http://brand./cybergivingweek2005/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2006 Report Share Posted January 2, 2006 Dear Sanjay, Namaskaar Got it, thanks a ton. Regards, Sameer sohamsa , " Sanjay Rath " <guruji@s...> wrote: > > > > ~~ om sadÄÅ›iva gurave namah ~~ > Dear Sameer > I think you are lucky in the Moon Venus and Mercury badly breaking the Kala Sarpa yoga...in simpler words Mercury shall break its teeth and the others shall kill the snake. Mar gaya bechara! So thank Sri Lakshmi Narayana for doing this great favor for you without youeven realising it. Ven & Merc indicate Ista and AK yoga also. So where is the dead KSY? Has it been buried? > No not yet. You have 3 malefics in kendra indicating that it has taken another form of sarpa yoga that shows strong sexuality. Now you need to really control this else all the veerya that should be conserved for spirituality shall be wasted in useless relationships or excesses. Here again Sri Narayana helps. > Worship Sri Badri-Narayana like Narada Muni and try to maintain celibacy. > With best wishes & warm regards, > Yours truly > Sanjay Rath > > Webpages: <http://srath.com/> http://srath.com <http://.org/> http://.org <http://sjcerc.com/> http://sjcerc.com > Atri SJC: 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India > Phone: +91.11.25717162 > - > > > _____ > > sameer_sawhney [icecoolsam@v...] > Sunday, January 01, 2006 11:57 PM > sohamsa > Re: Thank You > > > Dear Sanjay,Namaskaar > > I think I have KSY in my chart and I dont have any criminal > tendencies till now Can you please elaborate on what you mean > by " if it really gets activated " ? > > My details : 27/7/76, 6:25am, Chandigarh. > > > regards, > Sameer > > > sohamsa , " Sanjay Rath " <guruji@s...> wrote: > > > > > > > > ~~ om sadâúiva gurave namah ~~ > > Dear Manisha > > Kala Sarpa produces criminals if it really gets activated. You > don't have > > it, and thank God for that. > > With best wishes & warm regards, > > Yours truly > > Sanjay Rath > > > > Webpages: <http://srath.com/> http://srath.com > <http://.org/> > > http://.org <http://sjcerc.com/> http://sjcerc.com > > Atri SJC: 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India > > Phone: +91.11.25717162 > > - > > > > > > _____ > > > > Manisha Chulani [manisha_chulani] > > Saturday, December 31, 2005 9:55 PM > > sohamsa > > Thank You > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > I would like to thank you so much for reading my chart, and from > what I > > understand my Deva Ishta is the Moon, and was well as my Ishta > Devta is > > Krishna (that i was told about), so I guess I can focus on the > moon, as what > > I read on the sjc site on the purpose of my deva ishta. I too I > guess > > subcounsiously knew that if I could find the right alliance (key > being > > right) I would be much more relaxed. The Kal Sarpa Yoga, some > people have > > told me i have it, but the others have told me as one member who > said i had, > > and another has told me that i havent, becuase i didnt have one > graha i > > dont. But if I were to understand what Kal Sarpa Yoga is that > sometimes when > > everything is going right, but just before it gets finished, and > gets pushed > > away or delayed, then yes that has happened at least a few times in > my life. > > And yes I am trying to be more relaxed and able to have a decent > > conversation with others, rather then getting anxious as I have > people ask > > me if i am, (and its true sometimes i am) but i would rather seem > at ease > > and able to talk freely and openly with people. > > > > And thanks for your advice, from what I gather, I should try to > focus on the > > moon, so would do a satnaryna katha be a good solution. > > > > Thanks for taking the time to read my charts. > > > > Regards, > > Manisha > > > > sohamsa wrote: > > > > > > There are 17 messages in this issue. > > > > Topics in this digest: > > > > 1. Re: Advice > > " Nitin " > > 2. Re: Of the Saptarishis who is Narendranath (Swami Vivekananda) > > " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " > > 3. Re: Do gemstones have basis in the classics? And other > questions, please > > read.. > > " Nitin " > > 4. Re: gem stones or japam - please help > > " Nitin " > > 5. Re: Should I wear moon sign stone? (Manu Ji, et al) > > " Nitin " > > 6. Re: Re: gem stones or japam - please help > > Ramapriya D > > 7. Re: Siva Palan - Analysis Request > > " Nitin " > > 8. Re: gem stones or japam - please help > > " Nitin " > > 9. Re: Navamsa 8th lord in 7th house > > " Ajay Zharotia " > > 10. Re: Of the Saptarishis who is Narendranath (Swami Vivekananda) > > " Sourav Chowdhury " > > 11. Re: Of the Saptarishis who is Narendranath (Swami Vivekananda) > > " Sourav Chowdhury " > > 12. RE: Re: #2 Palana Devata-Ram Bagala > > lakshmi ramesh > > 13. Shri C.S. Patels Birthday > > " Visti Larsen " > > 14. Re: Re: Siva Palan - Analysis Request > > Ramapriya D > > 15. Re: Re: gem stones or japam - please help > > Ramapriya D > > 16. RE: Digest Number 198 > > " Branka Dragisic " > > 17. Re: UL Analysis request > > " king23.rm " > > > > > > > ____________________ > __ > > > ____________________ > __ > > > > Message: 1 > > Sat, 31 Dec 2005 05:11:27 -0000 > > " Nitin " > > Re: Advice > > > > ||| Aum Krishna Guru ||| > > > > Dear Manisha Ji and List members, Namaskaar. > > > > Allow me to share some of my understanding. > > > > The Chara AtmaKaraka in this chart is Mercury (Buddh). The spark of > > the Jivatman will bring about a search and challenges relating to > the > > 5th House (Bhakti, devotion, etc) and the 8th House > (transformations, > > the unknown, etc.) in the inner most point in the chart †" the 4th > > House (reflection of the home / mother / nurturing, etc)… > > > > One of the greatest challenges (amongst other interpretations) could > > be the person being challenged in offering hope to others, whereas > the > > same may not be returned when sought… > > > > > > On a more mundane level, one of the natural (naisargik) > significations > > of Mercury is of communication. You will also be challenged here and > > this year has found you more devoid of the energy to speak, or to > find > > a way to express yourself in a more comfortable manner, as also > > revealed by you. This will change around 29. > > > > Dwelling more on spirituality, there is a Kaala Sarpa yoga formed as > > Michal has observed. Slightly different interpretation -- there will > > be frustration at moments where you will waver between the spiritual > > and the material life. > > > > Ramapriya †" the sarpa yoga is complete, irrespective of the Lagna's > > direct involvement. Examine the co-lords carefully. > > > > The native will have respite from this from some possible scenarios: > > > > 1) An alliance or a partner who is reflected by the Moon in the 7th > > House (Satya Peetha). When considering the Chara Karakas, we are > > reflecting upon the spark of the soul. Hence, the spirit of the > > alliance will be akin to a nurturing personality. It need not > indicate > > the spouse. > > 2) Age 32 †" 33, you will come across a partner reflecting the above. > > Should it happen, please confirm later. > > 3) Mid 40's †" the Sarpa yoga will fructify and there could be a > great > > rise for the native. [if the Navamsa is accurate, you may be > > questioned on the work you have done and what has brought you thus > far > > at that time…] > > > > Appeasing the Moon or having it in your favour also protects your > > image (Arudha). > > [9th from the AL] > > > > The Moon is not only the Ishta, but the Dharma Devta as well. > > http://www..org/jyotishlessons/lessons/chara- karaka.htm > > > > May the Gurus continue to guide us. > > > > Best wishes, > > Nitin. > > > > || Namah Shivaaya || > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. > > > > > > > > ::Hare Rama Krsna:: > > > > Hi Manisha, > > > > Just a point about your chart. You have a combination called Kala > > Sarpa yoga, when all the planets are hemmed in between Rahu and > Ketu. > > This will often result in a person feeling a lack of direction in > > their lives, a kind of limitation they experience. Planets that > > conjoin the nodes or that are placed in 1st or 7th houses can break > > this yoga. For you Moon is the only such planet. It is also your > > Ishta devata, so worship of Krishna with the Maha mantra will > greatly > > benefit you and provide a greater sense of spiritual well being. > Moon > > is also Dara karaka, so relief will come through the spouse. So fast > > on Fridays from sunrise to sunset and marriage will bring you > fortune. > > > > Hope this helps, > > Michal > > > > ::Om Namo Narayanaya:: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. > > > > manisha_chulani wrote: > > Hi Sanjay, > > My birthday is > > June 21st, 1977 > > Time of Birth: 10:54pm > > Place of Birth: Hong Kong > > > > Thank you, > > Manisha > > sohamsa , Sanjay Prabhakaran > > wrote: > > > > > > || Om Gurave Namah || > > > Dear Manisha, > > > Why dont you attach your Chart or Birth Details. Jyotish members > > may then > > > be able to help you. > > > Warm Regards > > > Sanjay P > > > > > > On 12/29/05, Manisha Chulani wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > I hope you can offer me some suggestions. I know last year I > was > > attending > > > > an aryuvedic conference (which too incorporates jyotish). I > know > > that they > > > > were talking about something a powder and also some > suggestions. > > I wasnt > > > > able to follow it. However, one of my new years resolution is > to > > feel at > > > > ease, to be able to be more intuitive and empathatic, and be > > open and to > > > > make conversation easily and openly and to be able to focus on > > the world > > > > outside, and empathazize, rather then be inside my own head. If > > there is any > > > > advice on that, that would be great, or any mantras, > meditations, > > > > techniques. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Manisha > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>. > > Untitled > > > > Natal Chart > > > > June 21, 1977 > > Time: 10:54:00 pm > > Time Zone: 8:00:00 (East of GMT) > > Place: 114 E 09' 00 " , 22 N 17' 00 " > > Hong Kong, Hong Kong > > Altitude: 0.00 meters > > > > Lunar Yr-Mo: Pingala - Ashadha > > Tithi: Sukla Panchami (Ju) (43.19% left) > > Vedic Weekday: Tuesday (Ma) > > Nakshatra: Magha (Ke) (89.61% left) > > Yoga: Vajra (Mo) (90.35% left) > > Karana: Balava (Mo) (86.37% left) > > Hora Lord: Mercury (5 min sign: Le) > > Mahakala Hora: Venus (5 min sign: Sc) > > Kaala Lord: Sun (Mahakala: Sun) > > > > Sunrise: 5:40:26 am > > Sunset: 7:09:39 pm > > Janma Ghatis: 43.0653 > > > > Ayanamsa: 23-32-38.58 > > Sidereal Time: 16:29:21 > > > > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa > > > > Lagna 7 Aq 03' 07.37 " Sata 1 Aq Sg > > Sun - PK 6 Ge 34' 03.89 " Mrig 4 Ge Sc > > Moon - DK 1 Le 23' 07.24 " Magh 1 Le Ar > > Mars - PiK 17 Ar 53' 29.64 " Bhar 2 Ar Vi > > Mercury - AK 26 Ta 30' 50.10 " Mrig 1 Ta Le > > Jupiter - AmK 24 Ta 05' 46.90 " Mrig 1 Ta Le > > Venus - BK 20 Ar 58' 23.21 " Bhar 3 Ar Li > > Saturn - MK 20 Cn 32' 18.64 " Asre 2 Cn Cp > > Rahu - GK 27 Vi 15' 08.99 " Chit 2 Vi Vi > > Ketu 27 Pi 15' 08.99 " Reva 4 Pi Pi > > Maandi 16 Sg 30' 37.50 " PSha 1 Sg Le > > Gulika 7 Sg 14' 58.37 " Mool 3 Sg Ge > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________ > __ > > > ____________________ > __ > > > > Message: 2 > > Sat, 31 Dec 2005 00:23:00 -0500 > > " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " > > Re: Of the Saptarishis who is Narendranath (Swami > Vivekananda) > > > > Dear Sourav, > > > > Thanks for the link and I read that article. > > > > It is interesting that I should see this mail from you today. Just > a couple > > of days, I was about to sleep and just closed my eyes. I vividly > saw the > > face of somebody who appeared like a maharshi. The face is still > fresh in my > > memory and I never such a person in real life. He had a thin long > face with > > Vaishnava style lines on forehead. He had a pleasant and radiant > face. After > > that face remained in my vision for a few seconds, suddenly Swami > > Vivekananda's face sprang from it and the face of maharshi > disappeared. > > > > I have no doubt that Swami Vivekananda is a maharshi's incarnation. > However, > > I am not sure I agree with the conclusion of the author that > Narendra was an > > incarnation of Sage Bhrigu. > > > > Instead of speculating on whether there are only 7 maharshis in > Rishi > > Mandala or more and who those 7 maharshis are and speculating on the > > similarity of the so-called " sattwik " and " dynamic " aspects of > Maharshi > > Bhrigu and Swami Vivekananda, the author could have just gone by > what Swami > > Vivekananda himself described as being said by Ramakrishna to him. > > > > If you go to the end of the article, you see that Swami Vivekananda > recounts > > Ramakrishna telling him that he is Nara Maharshi. Narayana became > Krishna > > and guided Nara Maharshi who was born as Arjuna. Again, Narayana > became > > Ramakrishna and guided Nara Maharshi who was born as Narendra. The > author's > > speculation is totally unneeded and most likely incorrect. Narendra > was in > > all likelihood an incarnation of Nara Maharshi. > > > > May Ramakrishna's light shine on us, > > Narasimha > > ------------------------------- > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > ------------------------------- > > > > sohamsa , " Sourav Chowdhury " wrote: > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > Dear Friends and Learned Jyotishis, > > > Namaskar. I would like to share > > > this wonderful article from the R. K. Math's Vedanta Kesari > magazine. > > > Thakur (Sri Ramakrishna) was most fond of Swami Vivekananda and > > > refered to him as one of the Saptarishi's whom he had brought > along > > > for his earthly lila. This article is regarding that. Hope you > enjoy > > > reading. > > > > > > Best wishes for new year, > > > > > > Sourav > > > > ==================================================================== > > > Link for the article: > > > http://www.sriramakrishnamath.org/magazine/vk/2005/3-3-3.asp > > > > ==================================================================== > > > > > > [This message contained attachments] > > > > > > > > > ____________________ > __ > > > ____________________ > __ > > > > Message: 3 > > Sat, 31 Dec 2005 05:52:43 -0000 > > " Nitin " > > Re: Do gemstones have basis in the classics? And other > questions, > > please read.. > > > > ||| Aum Krishna Guru ||| > > > > Dear Sundeep Ji and Kist Members, Namaskaar. > > > > Allow me to share some of my understanding, though I have come a bit > > late to this thread… > > > > Hi Sundeep: > > On 12/31/05, vedicastrostudent wrote: > > > > 1) First, is gemstone use sanctioned by the classics (Parasara, > > Jaimini etc)? > > > > [Via NK] > > Yes. > > > > One example where metals have been described are for the > propitiation > > of the planets during certain births. Consider reading Brihat > Parasara > > Hora Shastra (BPHS); chapter 88. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Via Ramapriya] > > I'll try to answer you with a convoluted analogy. You'll be aware > that > > the foundation of ayurvedic prescriptions is whether the native in > > question is kaphic, pitthic (for the want of better terms) or > whatever > > else. > > > > [Via NK] > > Vaata > > Pitta > > Kapaha > > …. Are the 3 commonly used terms… > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Second, assuming you give me some sort of positive answer to the > > first question: Does a gemstone (a) Increase the *strength* of the > > planet in question or (b) Does it increase the *effects* of the > > planet in question. > > > > [Via NK] > > (a) You are **enhancing** the effects of the planet (graha) after > > having analayzed what it is doing for the native by studying the > Rashi > > as well as the subdivisonals (vargas). > > > > (b) You can increase or decrease, depending on what hand / finger / > > part of the body the gem is used. > > > > Pt. Rath talked more about this on the remedial measures conference > at > > the SJC W. Coast '02. More was recently touched up at the SJC NYC > > Conference '05. > > > > If I recall correctly, PVR Narasimha Rao also went over how the > > Trikonas of the Rashi mapped onto the fingers at a conference in > > Princeton several years ago. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A simple example that illustrates the difference > > is: Say you have a debilitated planet. Would wearing a gem for the > > planet strengthen it so that effects of its debilitation do not > show, > > > > [Via NK] > > Assume that Venus (Shukra) is causing a Malvaya yoga in the Rahsi. > > [Venus in a Quadrant in exaltation or own sign.] > > > > While this can be interpreted as luxuries for the native at a > certain > > time, if it is a maaraka in the Somnath Drekkana, there will be > > reduction of ojas in the body. > > > > > > > > > > > > [Via Ramapriya] > > The latter, imo. A deb planet isn't just weak, it's trying to > exhibit > > its less desired qualities. That maleficence is what's curbed. > > > > [Via NK] > > Ramapriya -- this is one opinion. I disagree. > > > > > > > > > > > > OR, would wearing a gem for the planet accentuate the manifestation > > of its debilitation in your life? > > > > [Via Ramapriya] > > Yikes, why would anyone want to prescribe a gemstone had that been > the > > case? > > > > [Via NK] > > Tell me †" would you like to provide more power to a planet that is > > causing some distress in your chart? > > > > OR > > > > … would you like to cause it some debility so that its effects are > > reduced…? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you say " (a) " , then the right approach to choosing gemstones > should > > be to wear stones to strengthen weak functional benefics in a > chart, no? > > [Via NK] > > The whole chart has to be examined in perspective. One approach is > to > > better understand what area of life the native is being challenged > and > > needs a gemstone? > > > > Some have also used Dashas for timing the use of specific gems which > > come along the line of remedies. > > > > > > > > However, if you say " (b) " , then the right approach should be to wear > > stones of strong functional benefics to counteract the effects of > weak > > or functional malefics, no? What is the truth and why? I have over > the > > years received several contradictory recommendations based I feel on > > whether the astrologer thought along the lines of " (a) " or " (b) " . > > > > [Via NK] > > Same as above. > > > > > > > > > > [Via Ramapriya] > > > > Unless astrology goes the way of western science, this problem will > > persist, I'm afraid. Documentation is nigh unheard of, that of > > systematic research data much less so. I've seen a few coves give > such > > consistent correct predictions by looking at just D-1 and D-9 that > I'm > > for one convinced that this isn't tomfoolery. The trouble is in > making > > available as a referencable document, that which those people know. > > > > [Via NK] > > This is subjective. However, I will agree that a " referencable > > document " may be handy to some… > > > > > > > > 3)Thirdly, is functional beneficence (if thats a word) > > > > [Via Ramapriya] > > It is a very valid astro term, what do you mean? Tis also something > > that I personally use each time when I see a chart; that and > temporary > > interplanetary relationships. > > > > the key quality to enhance or is natural beneficence also worth > > enhancing? For example, would you ever enhance a natural benefic if > it > > was also a functional malefic, or would its functional maleficence > > always be an overriding factor in preventing such a recommendation? > > > > > > [Via Nk] > > With definitions and terms, I would consider the difference > between: > > > > Saumya > > Krura > > > > Shubha > > Paapa > > > > > > > > [Via Ramapriya] > > It's a bit like subhargala and papargala. Me, Ju and Ve always give > > subhargala irrespective of your lagna. Their basic traits won't > > dissolve just because they get to be functional benefics/malefics. > Ju > > still remains the natural putrakaraka if you're a Libran, just as Ma > > will win you the battle if you're a Leo, albeit with a lost eye. > > > > [Via NK] > > What if Mecury is with a Krura graha….? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd definitely strengthen a weak yogakaraka unless it's placed > > somewhere like 6th or 8th - and yogakaraka by definition is a > > functional benefic. > > > > [Via NK] > > Pt. Rath has gone more into the use of gems in the Delhi ATRI class > > using the 9th House as an example. > > > > > > 4) Fourthly, how do gemstones affect chara karaktwa? > > > > [Via Ramapriya] > > Well, if that girl in the front row had been drooling over your > guitar > > and you were wearing the stone of the GK, the drummer goes with her > > after the show... know what I mean? > > > > [Via NK] > > Try to understand the difference between the 3… > > > > Tan > > Man > > Yan > > > > You cannot adorn a jivatman with a stone. > > > > > > > > > > > > 5) Fifthly, a very specific question: it seems to be a fairly > common > > recommendation that yellow sapphire or pearl be worn only during > the > > period of a waxing moon. Is this correct, and does the waxing moon > > start from sukla panchami or is it anytime after the new moon? > > > > [Via Ramapriya] > > Waxing commences after amavasya but Mo gets to be nicely benefic > post > > panchami. > > > > > > [Via NK] > > Depends on what you are trying to achieve. > > > > > > > > May the Gurus continue to guide us. > > > > Best wishes, > > Nitin. > > > > || Namah Shivaaya || > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________ > __ > > > ____________________ > __ > > > > Message: 4 > > Sat, 31 Dec 2005 06:25:22 -0000 > > " Nitin " > > Re: gem stones or japam - please help > > > > ||| Hare Rama Krishna ||| > > > > Dear Ramapriya and List Members, Namaskaar. > > > > Ramapriya †" what made you suggest that a fast has to be kept on a > > Sunday for the native? > > > > There is a difference between: > > > > 1) Chara (Temporal) Karakas > > 2) Sthira (Fixed) Karakas > > 3) Naisargika (Natural) Karakas > > > > Is what you thought of based on the Chara Karaka scheme? > > > > > > > > > > I am probably diverging a bit here but if referring to the Upa / > Vyaya > > / Gauna Pdad, then I can relate to the fasting but not for issues > > relating to children. > > /message/16444 > > > > This is not related to the Chara Karakas, but ARUDHAS. > > > > This is from SunRISE to SunSET and there is a reason for this. These > > are Nirjal fasts. > > vedic astrology/message/26309 > > > > May the Gurus continue to guide us. > > > > Regards, > > Nitin. > > > > || Namah Shivaaya || > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the basis for recommending the 24hr. fast below? > > > > > > > > On 12/30/05, hencyjoseph wrote: > > > > and, as prescribed by my colleague, i became vegetarian on thursday. > > > > Didn't you ask him why Thu? A touch odd that, seeing Ju in Cp. > > > > is it not needed to recite mantras to strengthen jupiter or wear > > yellow saphire? > > > > Easy to get tempted by that sort of thinking, but you can't ignore > > that Ju is in 6th. You're also running the Li ND. What if you get > > pancreatitis or even diabetes? Can't have you sue me for good > advice, > > what? > > But you can probably start wearing a yellow sapphire from when your > Vi > > ND activates. Ju will still be a badhaka but thatsaurite. > > > > how to do fasting? is it from sunrise to sunset? not even drink > water? > > > > I'd suggest a 24-hr fast. If you live in southern India, it'd be > silly > > not to hydrate yourself with water, unless you prefer a cure worse > > than the affliction > > > > Ramapriya > > ayirpamar@g... > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > hi ramapriya, > > > > thankyou for your time. > > is it not necessary to strengthen jupiter ? as such, i was feeling > > very happy that my jupiter antardasa is running, and i will have a > > child. > > and, as prescribed by my colleague, i became vegetarian on thursday. > > > > is it not needed to recite mantras to strengthen jupiter or wear > > yellow saphire ? > > > > how to do fasting ? is it from sunrise to sunset ? not even drink > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > for Good - Make > > > <http://us.rd./mail_us/taglines/charity/*http://brand..c > om/cyb > > ergivingweek2005/> a difference this year. > > > > *tat savitur varenyam* > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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