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Perhaps in those Poojas prescribed by our ANCIENTS and the difficult rituals and

what not, a simple TRUTH existed, though HIDDEN?

 

Something the the Psychologists and modern New-Age messiahs tuned into?

 

First be KIND to yourself, and LEARN TO LOVE YOURSELF!

 

A simple evidence and fact?

 

After the POOJA, any POOJA in any RELIGION, who PHYSICALLY consumes the

Prasaadam or the wafer or whatever the chosen token is ...?

 

 

 

FIRST LOVE THYSELF -- They ALL stated that again and again, LILLY (and others

too -- who might be listening!) :-)

 

Rohiniranjan

 

 

 

 

 

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

>

> It is v who do all rituals but careless to DAATA and finally DEVATA to.They

need naivedyam and arati to please.They do not ask but realisation that is what

sages d.

> Might be our own shortsighted conceptions.

>

> Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

>

> --- On Thu, 2/4/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005 wrote:

>

> Lilly <tigresslilly2005

> Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good

for Foreign Stay??

>

> Thursday, February 4, 2010, 9:55 PM

>

 

>

>

>

BY definition DEV-TA is someone who only " GIVES " ( DAATA),and expects

nothing in return! Only someone who's belly is completely full to max can give

selflessly and be a complete donor to mankind.

>

>

>

> Lilly

>

>

>

> , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...>

wrote:

>

> >

>

> > I do not necessarily separate those convenient categorizations of entities,

Lilly. We human beings are excellent and compulsive classifiers who tend to

categorize reality and parcel it into wonderful and convincing little packets.

Jyotish is no different either -- nor is science of course. And how else can

human beings learn without breaking the Reality into parts, BUT thereafter we

must reconstitute it back -- at least mentally and conceptually. Like

watchmakers, we need to take the watches, many watches apart to learn what makes

those watches tick but once learned, we must strive to put those watches

together. I do not wish to belabour the point, but like they say, each egg has

all that is needed to sustain life, whether as a maternal sac of nourishment or

as an omelette!

>

> >

>

> > The egg can sustain the related lifeform within, as well as the 'unrelated'

lifeform outside! I am taking poetical license to introduce the factor of

'relatedness' .

>

> >

>

> > Absolutely loving this perpetuum mobile chat with you -- dear soul, but need

to go and continue to put some watches back together or I would not be able to

buy an omelette (figuratively speaking!) ;-)

>

> >

>

> > Rohiniranjan

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ >

wrote:

>

> > >

>

> > > Phir bhi Manu_shya hi teh na

>

> > > kahi BHAGWAN, DEVTA, ya PHARISHTA to nahi!

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > > Lilly

>

> > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@

> wrote:

>

> > > >

>

> > > > I do not think they were on a 'power-trip' , so it would be unfair to

expect them to have shaken the forest-ful of the Great Unwashed!

>

> > > >

>

> > > > A cinema star probably has more power to motivated more people than a

Maharshi or Amma or Paramahamsa, even if for a very short time.

>

> > > >

>

> > > > That is why gourmet cooking, sweets and desserts are more popular than a

'satwik' bhojan!

>

> > > >

>

> > > > RR

>

> > > >

>

> > > >

>

> > > >

>

> > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ >

wrote:

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > All these LIONS made big contribution to our society when we needed it

the most, and have left their legacy behind which is still honored by many!! So

in essence I really have no problem with any of these big Guru's..There are many

who benefited from them and continue to follow there footsteps..

>

> > > > > But did these Lions ROAR loud enough to shake the entire JUNGLE ?

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > Lilly

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Lilly -- are you implying that Vivekananda or Yogananda or MMY or

Rajneesh were all not SERIOUS or SINCERE and came to the WEST under their own

Volitional STEAM? :-)

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > I will leave the RAMAN and RAO out of this for the time being and

begin at the beginning! Step by Step can we all embark on the journey of

thousand steps!

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > RR_,

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > " Goods " been sitting on the CLEARANCE rack at 70% off..Just

waitin' to be taken by the right buyer and finds out there is a new buyer in

town..The buyer has come in a disguise(only the ones with a keen eye recognize

him!) as a foreigner and he is hear to take those interested to a FOREIGN LAND..

He says he is here to make an offer, the a best deal at a WHOLE SALE price, and

ready to buy the entire stock, which will eventually put the SHARE market, and

the BULL'S market to a shame!

>

> > > > > > > Such an offer some can't resist, and he swears no hidden cost

involved!! The asking price is - Give your heart, mind, and soul, and in return

you will get everything you ever wanted!! What a deal he's making!! So who is

ready to gamble it all?

>

> > > > > > > I know the PANDAV BROTHERS did it! I am sure we can do it also, if

we have the courage!!

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > Lilly

>

> > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > I can only offer to others unmolested juicy oranges. They are

supposed to learn by doing how to squeeze the juice, Shenoy_jee :-)

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > RR_,

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > Dear All,

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > //One has got to look at each of those who showed up for the

PARTY//

>

> > > > > > > > >  

>

> > > > > > > > > What Rohini ji has stated (above) is the essence of

Ashtavarga.

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > The problems is rohini ji  writes in riddles (a student of

astrology is supposed to have a strong mercury).

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > In simple terms look at which planets are contributing (and

which do not) to those points.

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

>

> > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > Tue, February 2, 2010 7:13:11 PM

>

> > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points

for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay??

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > >  

>

> > > > > > > > > Dear friend,

>

> > > > > > > > > Having more bindus in 12th house is good or bad was well

explained with reference to foreign stay..The significance once attached to

foreign stay was to leave your home country and going away from near and dear.It

can also be that you may go awy in the same country due to various reason but

not in a position to involve yourself in the sukh /dukh aspects of kith and kin.

>

> > > > > > > > > 2.In ashtaka varga system we take into consideration all

planets involved together with PAC etc.In the process the bindus might be more

to feel as stronger house.it's strength lies as moksha bhava under various

circumstances

>

> > > > > > > > > Both Saturn and Venus being Karaks of 12th house,their

strength too needed to be considered.As all of us know saturn as a master

emphasises  need to devlop by owns efforts and trials.where as venus a

creative planet .and easy going loves all good and nice things and

comforts.These issues may also influence course of life if more bindus are

noticed in 12H ..

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/31/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

wrote:

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

>

> > > > > > > > > Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for

12th house:: good for Foreign Stay??

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 31, 2010, 1:06 AM

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > >  

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > Just based on the single factor such as SAV or other

cumulative bottom-line? No!

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > Notice that generally when the planets are clustered in a

house, the ashtakavarga of certain houses therefrom tend to have high number of

positive points!

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > Ashtakavarga is not like a POLL or election where if a certain

cluster is high it immediately promises success! Even if for a term ;-)

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > I will leave that tiny wrinkle with you! If you press and iron

it well, you may come back with the very answer that you are looking for...!

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > For each astrological indicator, please please PLEASE do not

take it in a concrete manner! But really bring out your best faculties and work

at it! AstroLOGIC cannot be learned passively by OSMOSIS!

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > My apologies if I am rattling your cage of comfort the wrong

way!

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > Regardless of whether saints or rogues congregate --

Ashtakavarga may not pick on their QUALITATIVE NATUREs! One has got to look at

each of those who showed up for the PARTY!!

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > PEACE!

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > , " kumar8149 "

<kumar8149@ ..> wrote:

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > Hi

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > I read in many articles that having high Ashtaka Varga

points for 12th house, is not desirable. As high points

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > means more expenses and losses. But 12th house also

signifies foreign stay.

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > Then, what should we predict for someone who has high

ashtaka varga points in 12th house and is staying in

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > foreign. Can we predict that foreign stay will be happy or

do we predict that there will be losses??

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > Anyways, high ashtaka varga points for 12th house, is

something I noticed in my own chart and I am trying to

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > understand if this is good sign or a bad sign, as I am

already living in foreign land.

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > Also, let me know how my health would be.

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > My birth details:

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > DOB: 8th December 1981

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > Time: 3 AM

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > Place of Birth: Chennai, Tamil Nadu

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > Thanks

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > Kumar

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > >

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You really must see the bigger picture in all! Get ready to dive deep into the

depth of Ocean and start picking up all the hidden submerged gems in all of

this.

These rituals, deva's, worship, scriptures etc. are all but universal and

sublime and symbolically represent something bigger than what meets the eye..The

real Mahabharat is still going on and all of us fighting this KURUSHERTA war

from WITHIN..Our ignorance represented by Dhritrasta, all of us individuals are

Arjuna..The chariot reprsents our bodies, the 5 hoarse represent our 5 vices

senses(sight, smell, taste, anger, greed,lust, attachment etc..)All are right

not effort makers(purusharti's) that's why we need help from those above..

 

 

Lilly

 

 

, " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani

wrote:

>

> Perhaps in those Poojas prescribed by our ANCIENTS and the difficult rituals

and what not, a simple TRUTH existed, though HIDDEN?

>

> Something the the Psychologists and modern New-Age messiahs tuned into?

>

> First be KIND to yourself, and LEARN TO LOVE YOURSELF!

>

> A simple evidence and fact?

>

> After the POOJA, any POOJA in any RELIGION, who PHYSICALLY consumes the

Prasaadam or the wafer or whatever the chosen token is ...?

>

>

>

> FIRST LOVE THYSELF -- They ALL stated that again and again, LILLY (and others

too -- who might be listening!) :-)

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

>

>

>

>

> , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote:

> >

> > It is v who do all rituals but careless to DAATA and finally DEVATA to.They

need naivedyam and arati to please.They do not ask but realisation that is what

sages d.

> > Might be our own shortsighted conceptions.

> >

> > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

> >

> > --- On Thu, 2/4/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@> wrote:

> >

> > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@>

> > Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house::

good for Foreign Stay??

> >

> > Thursday, February 4, 2010, 9:55 PM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >  

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > BY definition DEV-TA is someone who only " GIVES " ( DAATA),and expects

nothing in return! Only someone who's belly is completely full to max can give

selflessly and be a complete donor to mankind.

> >

> >

> >

> > Lilly

> >

> >

> >

> > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@

....> wrote:

> >

> > >

> >

> > > I do not necessarily separate those convenient categorizations of

entities, Lilly. We human beings are excellent and compulsive classifiers who

tend to categorize reality and parcel it into wonderful and convincing little

packets. Jyotish is no different either -- nor is science of course. And how

else can human beings learn without breaking the Reality into parts, BUT

thereafter we must reconstitute it back -- at least mentally and conceptually.

Like watchmakers, we need to take the watches, many watches apart to learn what

makes those watches tick but once learned, we must strive to put those watches

together. I do not wish to belabour the point, but like they say, each egg has

all that is needed to sustain life, whether as a maternal sac of nourishment or

as an omelette!

> >

> > >

> >

> > > The egg can sustain the related lifeform within, as well as the

'unrelated' lifeform outside! I am taking poetical license to introduce the

factor of 'relatedness' .

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Absolutely loving this perpetuum mobile chat with you -- dear soul, but

need to go and continue to put some watches back together or I would not be able

to buy an omelette (figuratively speaking!) ;-)

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ >

wrote:

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > Phir bhi Manu_shya hi teh na

> >

> > > > kahi BHAGWAN, DEVTA, ya PHARISHTA to nahi!

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > Lilly

> >

> > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > I do not think they were on a 'power-trip' , so it would be unfair to

expect them to have shaken the forest-ful of the Great Unwashed!

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > A cinema star probably has more power to motivated more people than a

Maharshi or Amma or Paramahamsa, even if for a very short time.

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > That is why gourmet cooking, sweets and desserts are more popular than

a 'satwik' bhojan!

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > RR

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@

> wrote:

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > All these LIONS made big contribution to our society when we needed

it the most, and have left their legacy behind which is still honored by many!!

So in essence I really have no problem with any of these big Guru's..There are

many who benefited from them and continue to follow there footsteps..

> >

> > > > > > But did these Lions ROAR loud enough to shake the entire JUNGLE ?

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > Lilly

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> >

> > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > Lilly -- are you implying that Vivekananda or Yogananda or MMY or

Rajneesh were all not SERIOUS or SINCERE and came to the WEST under their own

Volitional STEAM? :-)

> >

> > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > I will leave the RAMAN and RAO out of this for the time being and

begin at the beginning! Step by Step can we all embark on the journey of

thousand steps!

> >

> > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > RR_,

> >

> > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> >

> > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > " Goods " been sitting on the CLEARANCE rack at 70% off..Just

waitin' to be taken by the right buyer and finds out there is a new buyer in

town..The buyer has come in a disguise(only the ones with a keen eye recognize

him!) as a foreigner and he is hear to take those interested to a FOREIGN LAND..

He says he is here to make an offer, the a best deal at a WHOLE SALE price, and

ready to buy the entire stock, which will eventually put the SHARE market, and

the BULL'S market to a shame!

> >

> > > > > > > > Such an offer some can't resist, and he swears no hidden cost

involved!! The asking price is - Give your heart, mind, and soul, and in return

you will get everything you ever wanted!! What a deal he's making!! So who is

ready to gamble it all?

> >

> > > > > > > > I know the PANDAV BROTHERS did it! I am sure we can do it also,

if we have the courage!!

> >

> > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > Lilly

> >

> > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> >

> > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > I can only offer to others unmolested juicy oranges. They are

supposed to learn by doing how to squeeze the juice, Shenoy_jee :-)

> >

> > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > RR_,

> >

> > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear All,

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > //One has got to look at each of those who showed up for the

PARTY//

> >

> > > > > > > > > >  

> >

> > > > > > > > > > What Rohini ji has stated (above) is the essence of

Ashtavarga.

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > The problems is rohini ji  writes in riddles (a student

of astrology is supposed to have a strong mercury).

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > In simple terms look at which planets are contributing (and

which do not) to those points.

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> >

> > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > Tue, February 2, 2010 7:13:11 PM

> >

> > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points

for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay??

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > >  

> >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear friend,

> >

> > > > > > > > > > Having more bindus in 12th house is good or bad was well

explained with reference to foreign stay..The significance once attached to

foreign stay was to leave your home country and going away from near and dear.It

can also be that you may go awy in the same country due to various reason but

not in a position to involve yourself in the sukh /dukh aspects of kith and kin.

> >

> > > > > > > > > > 2.In ashtaka varga system we take into consideration all

planets involved together with PAC etc.In the process the bindus might be more

to feel as stronger house.it's strength lies as moksha bhava under various

circumstances

> >

> > > > > > > > > > Both Saturn and Venus being Karaks of 12th house,their

strength too needed to be considered.As all of us know saturn as a master

emphasises  need to devlop by owns efforts and trials.where as venus a

creative planet .and easy going loves all good and nice things and

comforts.These issues may also influence course of life if more bindus are

noticed in 12H ..

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/31/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@

hotmail.com> wrote:

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

> >

> > > > > > > > > > Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for

12th house:: good for Foreign Stay??

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 31, 2010, 1:06 AM

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > >  

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > Just based on the single factor such as SAV or other

cumulative bottom-line? No!

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > Notice that generally when the planets are clustered in a

house, the ashtakavarga of certain houses therefrom tend to have high number of

positive points!

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > Ashtakavarga is not like a POLL or election where if a

certain cluster is high it immediately promises success! Even if for a term ;-)

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > I will leave that tiny wrinkle with you! If you press and

iron it well, you may come back with the very answer that you are looking

for...!

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > For each astrological indicator, please please PLEASE do not

take it in a concrete manner! But really bring out your best faculties and work

at it! AstroLOGIC cannot be learned passively by OSMOSIS!

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > My apologies if I am rattling your cage of comfort the wrong

way!

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > Regardless of whether saints or rogues congregate --

Ashtakavarga may not pick on their QUALITATIVE NATUREs! One has got to look at

each of those who showed up for the PARTY!!

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > PEACE!

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > , " kumar8149 "

<kumar8149@ ..> wrote:

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > Hi

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > I read in many articles that having high Ashtaka Varga

points for 12th house, is not desirable. As high points

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > means more expenses and losses. But 12th house also

signifies foreign stay.

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > Then, what should we predict for someone who has high

ashtaka varga points in 12th house and is staying in

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > foreign. Can we predict that foreign stay will be happy or

do we predict that there will be losses??

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > Anyways, high ashtaka varga points for 12th house, is

something I noticed in my own chart and I am trying to

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > understand if this is good sign or a bad sign, as I am

already living in foreign land.

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > Also, let me know how my health would be.

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > My birth details:

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > DOB: 8th December 1981

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > Time: 3 AM

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > Place of Birth: Chennai, Tamil Nadu

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > Kumar

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

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Why we offer PRASADAM to God..Is it that God is hungry and has an appetite like

us...Anapoorna MA took the bold step and offered to give GOD this DAAN (to give

up her vices) when he came to her doorstep before anyone else dared to do it..

What are we really loosing when we give this donation/ offering of giving up our

vices??

 

Lilly

 

, " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani

wrote:

>

> Perhaps in those Poojas prescribed by our ANCIENTS and the difficult rituals

and what not, a simple TRUTH existed, though HIDDEN?

>

> Something the the Psychologists and modern New-Age messiahs tuned into?

>

> First be KIND to yourself, and LEARN TO LOVE YOURSELF!

>

> A simple evidence and fact?

>

> After the POOJA, any POOJA in any RELIGION, who PHYSICALLY consumes the

Prasaadam or the wafer or whatever the chosen token is ...?

>

>

>

> FIRST LOVE THYSELF -- They ALL stated that again and again, LILLY (and others

too -- who might be listening!) :-)

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

>

>

>

>

> , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote:

> >

> > It is v who do all rituals but careless to DAATA and finally DEVATA to.They

need naivedyam and arati to please.They do not ask but realisation that is what

sages d.

> > Might be our own shortsighted conceptions.

> >

> > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

> >

> > --- On Thu, 2/4/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@> wrote:

> >

> > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@>

> > Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house::

good for Foreign Stay??

> >

> > Thursday, February 4, 2010, 9:55 PM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >  

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > BY definition DEV-TA is someone who only " GIVES " ( DAATA),and expects

nothing in return! Only someone who's belly is completely full to max can give

selflessly and be a complete donor to mankind.

> >

> >

> >

> > Lilly

> >

> >

> >

> > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@

....> wrote:

> >

> > >

> >

> > > I do not necessarily separate those convenient categorizations of

entities, Lilly. We human beings are excellent and compulsive classifiers who

tend to categorize reality and parcel it into wonderful and convincing little

packets. Jyotish is no different either -- nor is science of course. And how

else can human beings learn without breaking the Reality into parts, BUT

thereafter we must reconstitute it back -- at least mentally and conceptually.

Like watchmakers, we need to take the watches, many watches apart to learn what

makes those watches tick but once learned, we must strive to put those watches

together. I do not wish to belabour the point, but like they say, each egg has

all that is needed to sustain life, whether as a maternal sac of nourishment or

as an omelette!

> >

> > >

> >

> > > The egg can sustain the related lifeform within, as well as the

'unrelated' lifeform outside! I am taking poetical license to introduce the

factor of 'relatedness' .

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Absolutely loving this perpetuum mobile chat with you -- dear soul, but

need to go and continue to put some watches back together or I would not be able

to buy an omelette (figuratively speaking!) ;-)

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ >

wrote:

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > Phir bhi Manu_shya hi teh na

> >

> > > > kahi BHAGWAN, DEVTA, ya PHARISHTA to nahi!

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > Lilly

> >

> > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > I do not think they were on a 'power-trip' , so it would be unfair to

expect them to have shaken the forest-ful of the Great Unwashed!

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > A cinema star probably has more power to motivated more people than a

Maharshi or Amma or Paramahamsa, even if for a very short time.

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > That is why gourmet cooking, sweets and desserts are more popular than

a 'satwik' bhojan!

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > RR

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@

> wrote:

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > All these LIONS made big contribution to our society when we needed

it the most, and have left their legacy behind which is still honored by many!!

So in essence I really have no problem with any of these big Guru's..There are

many who benefited from them and continue to follow there footsteps..

> >

> > > > > > But did these Lions ROAR loud enough to shake the entire JUNGLE ?

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > Lilly

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> >

> > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > Lilly -- are you implying that Vivekananda or Yogananda or MMY or

Rajneesh were all not SERIOUS or SINCERE and came to the WEST under their own

Volitional STEAM? :-)

> >

> > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > I will leave the RAMAN and RAO out of this for the time being and

begin at the beginning! Step by Step can we all embark on the journey of

thousand steps!

> >

> > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > RR_,

> >

> > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> >

> > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > " Goods " been sitting on the CLEARANCE rack at 70% off..Just

waitin' to be taken by the right buyer and finds out there is a new buyer in

town..The buyer has come in a disguise(only the ones with a keen eye recognize

him!) as a foreigner and he is hear to take those interested to a FOREIGN LAND..

He says he is here to make an offer, the a best deal at a WHOLE SALE price, and

ready to buy the entire stock, which will eventually put the SHARE market, and

the BULL'S market to a shame!

> >

> > > > > > > > Such an offer some can't resist, and he swears no hidden cost

involved!! The asking price is - Give your heart, mind, and soul, and in return

you will get everything you ever wanted!! What a deal he's making!! So who is

ready to gamble it all?

> >

> > > > > > > > I know the PANDAV BROTHERS did it! I am sure we can do it also,

if we have the courage!!

> >

> > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > Lilly

> >

> > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> >

> > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > I can only offer to others unmolested juicy oranges. They are

supposed to learn by doing how to squeeze the juice, Shenoy_jee :-)

> >

> > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > RR_,

> >

> > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear All,

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > //One has got to look at each of those who showed up for the

PARTY//

> >

> > > > > > > > > >  

> >

> > > > > > > > > > What Rohini ji has stated (above) is the essence of

Ashtavarga.

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > The problems is rohini ji  writes in riddles (a student

of astrology is supposed to have a strong mercury).

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > In simple terms look at which planets are contributing (and

which do not) to those points.

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> >

> > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > Tue, February 2, 2010 7:13:11 PM

> >

> > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points

for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay??

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > >  

> >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear friend,

> >

> > > > > > > > > > Having more bindus in 12th house is good or bad was well

explained with reference to foreign stay..The significance once attached to

foreign stay was to leave your home country and going away from near and dear.It

can also be that you may go awy in the same country due to various reason but

not in a position to involve yourself in the sukh /dukh aspects of kith and kin.

> >

> > > > > > > > > > 2.In ashtaka varga system we take into consideration all

planets involved together with PAC etc.In the process the bindus might be more

to feel as stronger house.it's strength lies as moksha bhava under various

circumstances

> >

> > > > > > > > > > Both Saturn and Venus being Karaks of 12th house,their

strength too needed to be considered.As all of us know saturn as a master

emphasises  need to devlop by owns efforts and trials.where as venus a

creative planet .and easy going loves all good and nice things and

comforts.These issues may also influence course of life if more bindus are

noticed in 12H ..

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/31/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@

hotmail.com> wrote:

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

> >

> > > > > > > > > > Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for

12th house:: good for Foreign Stay??

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 31, 2010, 1:06 AM

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > >  

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > Just based on the single factor such as SAV or other

cumulative bottom-line? No!

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > Notice that generally when the planets are clustered in a

house, the ashtakavarga of certain houses therefrom tend to have high number of

positive points!

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > Ashtakavarga is not like a POLL or election where if a

certain cluster is high it immediately promises success! Even if for a term ;-)

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > I will leave that tiny wrinkle with you! If you press and

iron it well, you may come back with the very answer that you are looking

for...!

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > For each astrological indicator, please please PLEASE do not

take it in a concrete manner! But really bring out your best faculties and work

at it! AstroLOGIC cannot be learned passively by OSMOSIS!

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > My apologies if I am rattling your cage of comfort the wrong

way!

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > Regardless of whether saints or rogues congregate --

Ashtakavarga may not pick on their QUALITATIVE NATUREs! One has got to look at

each of those who showed up for the PARTY!!

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > PEACE!

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > , " kumar8149 "

<kumar8149@ ..> wrote:

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > Hi

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > I read in many articles that having high Ashtaka Varga

points for 12th house, is not desirable. As high points

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > means more expenses and losses. But 12th house also

signifies foreign stay.

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > Then, what should we predict for someone who has high

ashtaka varga points in 12th house and is staying in

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > foreign. Can we predict that foreign stay will be happy or

do we predict that there will be losses??

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > Anyways, high ashtaka varga points for 12th house, is

something I noticed in my own chart and I am trying to

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > understand if this is good sign or a bad sign, as I am

already living in foreign land.

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > Also, let me know how my health would be.

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > My birth details:

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > DOB: 8th December 1981

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > Time: 3 AM

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > Place of Birth: Chennai, Tamil Nadu

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > Kumar

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

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I had a very saturnine picky type teacher in primary school who ... anyways let

me not bore you with details! Mme. Arlykatti was very particular about spelling!

Like misspelling their with there could complete change the meaning of what we

wish to convey through language and may even distract them who we are trying to

communicate with -- other humans in that context!

 

Later on when I got interested in the occult, that is exactly what the Mantriks

said! SPELLING is very IMPORTANT in a SPELL!

 

Even pronounciations, some serious purists INSISTed!

 

There is a different alternative too which is the path of the HEART!

Bhaktiyoga!!

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005 wrote:

>

> You really must see the bigger picture in all! Get ready to dive deep into the

depth of Ocean and start picking up all the hidden submerged gems in all of

this.

> These rituals, deva's, worship, scriptures etc. are all but universal and

sublime and symbolically represent something bigger than what meets the eye..The

real Mahabharat is still going on and all of us fighting this KURUSHERTA war

from WITHIN..Our ignorance represented by Dhritrasta, all of us individuals are

Arjuna..The chariot reprsents our bodies, the 5 hoarse represent our 5 vices

senses(sight, smell, taste, anger, greed,lust, attachment etc..)All are right

not effort makers(purusharti's) that's why we need help from those above..

>

>

> Lilly

>

>

> , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

wrote:

> >

> > Perhaps in those Poojas prescribed by our ANCIENTS and the difficult rituals

and what not, a simple TRUTH existed, though HIDDEN?

> >

> > Something the the Psychologists and modern New-Age messiahs tuned into?

> >

> > First be KIND to yourself, and LEARN TO LOVE YOURSELF!

> >

> > A simple evidence and fact?

> >

> > After the POOJA, any POOJA in any RELIGION, who PHYSICALLY consumes the

Prasaadam or the wafer or whatever the chosen token is ...?

> >

> >

> >

> > FIRST LOVE THYSELF -- They ALL stated that again and again, LILLY (and

others too -- who might be listening!) :-)

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote:

> > >

> > > It is v who do all rituals but careless to DAATA and finally DEVATA

to.They need naivedyam and arati to please.They do not ask but realisation that

is what sages d.

> > > Might be our own shortsighted conceptions.

> > >

> > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

> > >

> > > --- On Thu, 2/4/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@>

> > > Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house::

good for Foreign Stay??

> > >

> > > Thursday, February 4, 2010, 9:55 PM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >  

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > BY definition DEV-TA is someone who only " GIVES " ( DAATA),and expects

nothing in return! Only someone who's belly is completely full to max can give

selflessly and be a complete donor to mankind.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Lilly

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@

....> wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > I do not necessarily separate those convenient categorizations of

entities, Lilly. We human beings are excellent and compulsive classifiers who

tend to categorize reality and parcel it into wonderful and convincing little

packets. Jyotish is no different either -- nor is science of course. And how

else can human beings learn without breaking the Reality into parts, BUT

thereafter we must reconstitute it back -- at least mentally and conceptually.

Like watchmakers, we need to take the watches, many watches apart to learn what

makes those watches tick but once learned, we must strive to put those watches

together. I do not wish to belabour the point, but like they say, each egg has

all that is needed to sustain life, whether as a maternal sac of nourishment or

as an omelette!

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > The egg can sustain the related lifeform within, as well as the

'unrelated' lifeform outside! I am taking poetical license to introduce the

factor of 'relatedness' .

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Absolutely loving this perpetuum mobile chat with you -- dear soul, but

need to go and continue to put some watches back together or I would not be able

to buy an omelette (figuratively speaking!) ;-)

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ >

wrote:

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > Phir bhi Manu_shya hi teh na

> > >

> > > > > kahi BHAGWAN, DEVTA, ya PHARISHTA to nahi!

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > Lilly

> > >

> > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > I do not think they were on a 'power-trip' , so it would be unfair

to expect them to have shaken the forest-ful of the Great Unwashed!

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > A cinema star probably has more power to motivated more people than

a Maharshi or Amma or Paramahamsa, even if for a very short time.

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > That is why gourmet cooking, sweets and desserts are more popular

than a 'satwik' bhojan!

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > RR

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > All these LIONS made big contribution to our society when we

needed it the most, and have left their legacy behind which is still honored by

many!! So in essence I really have no problem with any of these big

Guru's..There are many who benefited from them and continue to follow there

footsteps..

> > >

> > > > > > > But did these Lions ROAR loud enough to shake the entire JUNGLE ?

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > Lilly

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > Lilly -- are you implying that Vivekananda or Yogananda or MMY

or Rajneesh were all not SERIOUS or SINCERE and came to the WEST under their own

Volitional STEAM? :-)

> > >

> > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > I will leave the RAMAN and RAO out of this for the time being

and begin at the beginning! Step by Step can we all embark on the journey of

thousand steps!

> > >

> > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > RR_,

> > >

> > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > " Goods " been sitting on the CLEARANCE rack at 70% off..Just

waitin' to be taken by the right buyer and finds out there is a new buyer in

town..The buyer has come in a disguise(only the ones with a keen eye recognize

him!) as a foreigner and he is hear to take those interested to a FOREIGN LAND..

He says he is here to make an offer, the a best deal at a WHOLE SALE price, and

ready to buy the entire stock, which will eventually put the SHARE market, and

the BULL'S market to a shame!

> > >

> > > > > > > > > Such an offer some can't resist, and he swears no hidden cost

involved!! The asking price is - Give your heart, mind, and soul, and in return

you will get everything you ever wanted!! What a deal he's making!! So who is

ready to gamble it all?

> > >

> > > > > > > > > I know the PANDAV BROTHERS did it! I am sure we can do it

also, if we have the courage!!

> > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > >

> > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > I can only offer to others unmolested juicy oranges. They

are supposed to learn by doing how to squeeze the juice, Shenoy_jee :-)

> > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > //One has got to look at each of those who showed up for

the PARTY//

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >  

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > What Rohini ji has stated (above) is the essence of

Ashtavarga.

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > The problems is rohini ji  writes in riddles (a student

of astrology is supposed to have a strong mercury).

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > In simple terms look at which planets are contributing

(and which do not) to those points.

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Tue, February 2, 2010 7:13:11 PM

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga

points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay??

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >  

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear friend,

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Having more bindus in 12th house is good or bad was well

explained with reference to foreign stay..The significance once attached to

foreign stay was to leave your home country and going away from near and dear.It

can also be that you may go awy in the same country due to various reason but

not in a position to involve yourself in the sukh /dukh aspects of kith and kin.

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 2.In ashtaka varga system we take into consideration all

planets involved together with PAC etc.In the process the bindus might be more

to feel as stronger house.it's strength lies as moksha bhava under various

circumstances

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Both Saturn and Venus being Karaks of 12th house,their

strength too needed to be considered.As all of us know saturn as a master

emphasises  need to devlop by owns efforts and trials.where as venus a

creative planet .and easy going loves all good and nice things and

comforts.These issues may also influence course of life if more bindus are

noticed in 12H ..

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/31/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@

hotmail.com> wrote:

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points

for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay??

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 31, 2010, 1:06 AM

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >  

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Just based on the single factor such as SAV or other

cumulative bottom-line? No!

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Notice that generally when the planets are clustered in a

house, the ashtakavarga of certain houses therefrom tend to have high number of

positive points!

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Ashtakavarga is not like a POLL or election where if a

certain cluster is high it immediately promises success! Even if for a term ;-)

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I will leave that tiny wrinkle with you! If you press and

iron it well, you may come back with the very answer that you are looking

for...!

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > For each astrological indicator, please please PLEASE do

not take it in a concrete manner! But really bring out your best faculties and

work at it! AstroLOGIC cannot be learned passively by OSMOSIS!

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > My apologies if I am rattling your cage of comfort the

wrong way!

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regardless of whether saints or rogues congregate --

Ashtakavarga may not pick on their QUALITATIVE NATUREs! One has got to look at

each of those who showed up for the PARTY!!

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > PEACE!

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , " kumar8149 "

<kumar8149@ ..> wrote:

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Hi

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I read in many articles that having high Ashtaka Varga

points for 12th house, is not desirable. As high points

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > means more expenses and losses. But 12th house also

signifies foreign stay.

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Then, what should we predict for someone who has high

ashtaka varga points in 12th house and is staying in

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > foreign. Can we predict that foreign stay will be happy

or do we predict that there will be losses??

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Anyways, high ashtaka varga points for 12th house, is

something I noticed in my own chart and I am trying to

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > understand if this is good sign or a bad sign, as I am

already living in foreign land.

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Also, let me know how my health would be.

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > My birth details:

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > DOB: 8th December 1981

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Time: 3 AM

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Place of Birth: Chennai, Tamil Nadu

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Kumar

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

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Hello there: First of all, I am not well informed in the subject of religion or

spirituality, some thing which has stuck with me regarding the ritual aspects of

Hindu religion ( as I understand them ) is that God has no form ,we elect to

give this energy a shape we are comfortable with , similarly God does not expect

gifts , it is our mortals way of expressing our love ( as tame as it might be)

and through these actions we gain solace ( as temporary or long term as might

be). I seem to relate with shri Rohni Ji ( hope fully I understand his point of

view) that these acts are tokens . The value of these acts is as strong or weak

as in th elong run or faith is. Based solely on the reasoning these acts do not

pass the muster of science as we have learned in schools.

Ashok Goswami

 

--- On Thu, 2/4/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005 wrote:

 

Lilly <tigresslilly2005

Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good

for Foreign Stay??

 

Thursday, February 4, 2010, 11:17 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Why we offer PRASADAM to God..Is it that God is hungry and has an appetite like

us...Anapoorna MA took the bold step and offered to give GOD this DAAN (to give

up her vices) when he came to her doorstep before anyone else dared to do it..

 

What are we really loosing when we give this donation/ offering of giving up our

vices??

 

 

 

Lilly

 

 

 

, " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...>

wrote:

 

>

 

> Perhaps in those Poojas prescribed by our ANCIENTS and the difficult rituals

and what not, a simple TRUTH existed, though HIDDEN?

 

>

 

> Something the the Psychologists and modern New-Age messiahs tuned into?

 

>

 

> First be KIND to yourself, and LEARN TO LOVE YOURSELF!

 

>

 

> A simple evidence and fact?

 

>

 

> After the POOJA, any POOJA in any RELIGION, who PHYSICALLY consumes the

Prasaadam or the wafer or whatever the chosen token is ...?

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> FIRST LOVE THYSELF -- They ALL stated that again and again, LILLY (and others

too -- who might be listening!) :-)

 

>

 

> Rohiniranjan

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote:

 

> >

 

> > It is v who do all rituals but careless to DAATA and finally DEVATA to.They

need naivedyam and arati to please.They do not ask but realisation that is what

sages d.

 

> > Might be our own shortsighted conceptions.

 

> >

 

> > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.

B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are

neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

 

> >

 

> > --- On Thu, 2/4/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

 

> >

 

> > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ >

 

> > Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house::

good for Foreign Stay??

 

> >

 

> > Thursday, February 4, 2010, 9:55 PM

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >  

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> > BY definition DEV-TA is someone who only " GIVES " ( DAATA),and expects

nothing in return! Only someone who's belly is completely full to max can give

selflessly and be a complete donor to mankind.

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> > Lilly

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@

....> wrote:

 

> >

 

> > >

 

> >

 

> > > I do not necessarily separate those convenient categorizations of

entities, Lilly. We human beings are excellent and compulsive classifiers who

tend to categorize reality and parcel it into wonderful and convincing little

packets. Jyotish is no different either -- nor is science of course. And how

else can human beings learn without breaking the Reality into parts, BUT

thereafter we must reconstitute it back -- at least mentally and conceptually.

Like watchmakers, we need to take the watches, many watches apart to learn what

makes those watches tick but once learned, we must strive to put those watches

together. I do not wish to belabour the point, but like they say, each egg has

all that is needed to sustain life, whether as a maternal sac of nourishment or

as an omelette!

 

> >

 

> > >

 

> >

 

> > > The egg can sustain the related lifeform within, as well as the

'unrelated' lifeform outside! I am taking poetical license to introduce the

factor of 'relatedness' .

 

> >

 

> > >

 

> >

 

> > > Absolutely loving this perpetuum mobile chat with you -- dear soul, but

need to go and continue to put some watches back together or I would not be able

to buy an omelette (figuratively speaking!) ;-)

 

> >

 

> > >

 

> >

 

> > > Rohiniranjan

 

> >

 

> > >

 

> >

 

> > >

 

> >

 

> > >

 

> >

 

> > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ >

wrote:

 

> >

 

> > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > Phir bhi Manu_shya hi teh na

 

> >

 

> > > > kahi BHAGWAN, DEVTA, ya PHARISHTA to nahi!

 

> >

 

> > > >

 

> >

 

> > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > Lilly

 

> >

 

> > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

 

> >

 

> > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > I do not think they were on a 'power-trip' , so it would be unfair to

expect them to have shaken the forest-ful of the Great Unwashed!

 

> >

 

> > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > A cinema star probably has more power to motivated more people than a

Maharshi or Amma or Paramahamsa, even if for a very short time.

 

> >

 

> > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > That is why gourmet cooking, sweets and desserts are more popular than

a 'satwik' bhojan!

 

> >

 

> > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > RR

 

> >

 

> > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@

> wrote:

 

> >

 

> > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > All these LIONS made big contribution to our society when we needed

it the most, and have left their legacy behind which is still honored by many!!

So in essence I really have no problem with any of these big Guru's..There are

many who benefited from them and continue to follow there footsteps..

 

> >

 

> > > > > > But did these Lions ROAR loud enough to shake the entire JUNGLE ?

 

> >

 

> > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > Lilly

 

> >

 

> > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

 

> >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > Lilly -- are you implying that Vivekananda or Yogananda or MMY or

Rajneesh were all not SERIOUS or SINCERE and came to the WEST under their own

Volitional STEAM? :-)

 

> >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > I will leave the RAMAN and RAO out of this for the time being and

begin at the beginning! Step by Step can we all embark on the journey of

thousand steps!

 

> >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > RR_,

 

> >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > " Goods " been sitting on the CLEARANCE rack at 70% off..Just

waitin' to be taken by the right buyer and finds out there is a new buyer in

town..The buyer has come in a disguise(only the ones with a keen eye recognize

him!) as a foreigner and he is hear to take those interested to a FOREIGN LAND..

He says he is here to make an offer, the a best deal at a WHOLE SALE price, and

ready to buy the entire stock, which will eventually put the SHARE market, and

the BULL'S market to a shame!

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > Such an offer some can't resist, and he swears no hidden cost

involved!! The asking price is - Give your heart, mind, and soul, and in return

you will get everything you ever wanted!! What a deal he's making!! So who is

ready to gamble it all?

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > I know the PANDAV BROTHERS did it! I am sure we can do it also,

if we have the courage!!

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > Lilly

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > I can only offer to others unmolested juicy oranges. They are

supposed to learn by doing how to squeeze the juice, Shenoy_jee :-)

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > RR_,

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > Dear All,

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > //One has got to look at each of those who showed up for the

PARTY//

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >  

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > What Rohini ji has stated (above) is the essence of

Ashtavarga.

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > The problems is rohini ji  writes in riddles (a

student of astrology is supposed to have a strong mercury).

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > In simple terms look at which planets are contributing (and

which do not) to those points.

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > Tue, February 2, 2010 7:13:11 PM

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points

for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay??

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >  

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > Dear friend,

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > Having more bindus in 12th house is good or bad was well

explained with reference to foreign stay..The significance once attached to

foreign stay was to leave your home country and going away from near and dear.It

can also be that you may go awy in the same country due to various reason but

not in a position to involve yourself in the sukh /dukh aspects of kith and kin.

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > 2.In ashtaka varga system we take into consideration all

planets involved together with PAC etc.In the process the bindus might be more

to feel as stronger house.it's strength lies as moksha bhava under various

circumstances

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > Both Saturn and Venus being Karaks of 12th house,their

strength too needed to be considered.As all of us know saturn as a master

emphasises  need to devlop by owns efforts and trials.where as venus a

creative planet .and easy going loves all good and nice things and

comforts.These issues may also influence course of life if more bindus are

noticed in 12H ..

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can

Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/31/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@

hotmail.com> wrote:

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for

12th house:: good for Foreign Stay??

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 31, 2010, 1:06 AM

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >  

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > Just based on the single factor such as SAV or other

cumulative bottom-line? No!

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > Notice that generally when the planets are clustered in a

house, the ashtakavarga of certain houses therefrom tend to have high number of

positive points!

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > Ashtakavarga is not like a POLL or election where if a

certain cluster is high it immediately promises success! Even if for a term ;-)

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > I will leave that tiny wrinkle with you! If you press and

iron it well, you may come back with the very answer that you are looking

for...!

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > For each astrological indicator, please please PLEASE do not

take it in a concrete manner! But really bring out your best faculties and work

at it! AstroLOGIC cannot be learned passively by OSMOSIS!

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > My apologies if I am rattling your cage of comfort the wrong

way!

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > Regardless of whether saints or rogues congregate --

Ashtakavarga may not pick on their QUALITATIVE NATUREs! One has got to look at

each of those who showed up for the PARTY!!

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > PEACE!

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > , " kumar8149 "

<kumar8149@ ..> wrote:

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > > Hi

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > > I read in many articles that having high Ashtaka Varga

points for 12th house, is not desirable. As high points

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > > means more expenses and losses. But 12th house also

signifies foreign stay.

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > > Then, what should we predict for someone who has high

ashtaka varga points in 12th house and is staying in

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > > foreign. Can we predict that foreign stay will be happy or

do we predict that there will be losses??

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > > Anyways, high ashtaka varga points for 12th house, is

something I noticed in my own chart and I am trying to

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > > understand if this is good sign or a bad sign, as I am

already living in foreign land.

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > > Also, let me know how my health would be.

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > > My birth details:

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > > DOB: 8th December 1981

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > > Time: 3 AM

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > > Place of Birth: Chennai, Tamil Nadu

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > > Kumar

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

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//Why we offer PRASADAM to God..Is it that God is hungry and has an appetite

like us...//

 

Do not overstep into those areas about which you understand very little.

 

It is upto to you whether to ramble on every thing or make a real effort to

understand - which is not evident

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

 

 

 

________________________________

PG <darshan261

 

Fri, February 5, 2010 10:13:36 AM

Re: Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house::

good for Foreign Stay??

 

 

Hello there: First of all, I am not well informed in the subject of religion or

spirituality, some thing which has stuck with me regarding the ritual aspects of

Hindu religion ( as I understand them ) is that God has no form ,we elect to

give this energy a shape we are comfortable with , similarly God does not expect

gifts , it is our mortals way of expressing our love ( as tame as it might be)

and through these actions we gain solace ( as temporary or long term as might

be). I seem to relate with shri Rohni Ji ( hope fully I understand his point of

view) that these acts are tokens . The value of these acts is as strong or weak

as in th elong run or faith is. Based solely on the reasoning these acts do not

pass the muster of science as we have learned in schools.

Ashok Goswami

 

--- On Thu, 2/4/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

 

Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ >

Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good

for Foreign Stay??

 

Thursday, February 4, 2010, 11:17 PM

 

 

 

Why we offer PRASADAM to God..Is it that God is hungry and has an appetite like

us...Anapoorna MA took the bold step and offered to give GOD this DAAN (to give

up her vices) when he came to her doorstep before anyone else dared to do it..

 

What are we really loosing when we give this donation/ offering of giving up our

vices??

 

Lilly

 

, " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...>

wrote:

 

>

 

> Perhaps in those Poojas prescribed by our ANCIENTS and the difficult rituals

and what not, a simple TRUTH existed, though HIDDEN?

 

>

 

> Something the the Psychologists and modern New-Age messiahs tuned into?

 

>

 

> First be KIND to yourself, and LEARN TO LOVE YOURSELF!

 

>

 

> A simple evidence and fact?

 

>

 

> After the POOJA, any POOJA in any RELIGION, who PHYSICALLY consumes the

Prasaadam or the wafer or whatever the chosen token is ...?

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> FIRST LOVE THYSELF -- They ALL stated that again and again, LILLY (and others

too -- who might be listening!) :-)

 

>

 

> Rohiniranjan

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote:

 

> >

 

> > It is v who do all rituals but careless to DAATA and finally DEVATA to.They

need naivedyam and arati to please.They do not ask but realisation that is what

sages d.

 

> > Might be our own shortsighted conceptions.

 

> >

 

> > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.

B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are

neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

 

> >

 

> > --- On Thu, 2/4/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

 

> >

 

> > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ >

 

> > Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house::

good for Foreign Stay??

 

> >

 

> > Thursday, February 4, 2010, 9:55 PM

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >  

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> > BY definition DEV-TA is someone who only " GIVES " ( DAATA),and expects nothing

in return! Only someone who's belly is completely full to max can give

selflessly and be a complete donor to mankind.

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> > Lilly

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@

....> wrote:

 

> >

 

> > >

 

> >

 

> > > I do not necessarily separate those convenient categorizations of

entities, Lilly. We human beings are excellent and compulsive classifiers who

tend to categorize reality and parcel it into wonderful and convincing little

packets. Jyotish is no different either -- nor is science of course. And how

else can human beings learn without breaking the Reality into parts, BUT

thereafter we must reconstitute it back -- at least mentally and conceptually.

Like watchmakers, we need to take the watches, many watches apart to learn what

makes those watches tick but once learned, we must strive to put those watches

together. I do not wish to belabour the point, but like they say, each egg has

all that is needed to sustain life, whether as a maternal sac of nourishment or

as an omelette!

 

> >

 

> > >

 

> >

 

> > > The egg can sustain the related lifeform within, as well as the

'unrelated' lifeform outside! I am taking poetical license to introduce the

factor of 'relatedness' .

 

> >

 

> > >

 

> >

 

> > > Absolutely loving this perpetuum mobile chat with you -- dear soul, but

need to go and continue to put some watches back together or I would not be able

to buy an omelette (figuratively speaking!) ;-)

 

> >

 

> > >

 

> >

 

> > > Rohiniranjan

 

> >

 

> > >

 

> >

 

> > >

 

> >

 

> > >

 

> >

 

> > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ >

wrote:

 

> >

 

> > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > Phir bhi Manu_shya hi teh na

 

> >

 

> > > > kahi BHAGWAN, DEVTA, ya PHARISHTA to nahi!

 

> >

 

> > > >

 

> >

 

> > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > Lilly

 

> >

 

> > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

 

> >

 

> > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > I do not think they were on a 'power-trip' , so it would be unfair to

expect them to have shaken the forest-ful of the Great Unwashed!

 

> >

 

> > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > A cinema star probably has more power to motivated more people than a

Maharshi or Amma or Paramahamsa, even if for a very short time.

 

> >

 

> > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > That is why gourmet cooking, sweets and desserts are more popular than

a 'satwik' bhojan!

 

> >

 

> > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > RR

 

> >

 

> > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@

> wrote:

 

> >

 

> > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > All these LIONS made big contribution to our society when we needed

it the most, and have left their legacy behind which is still honored by many!!

So in essence I really have no problem with any of these big Guru's..There are

many who benefited from them and continue to follow there footsteps..

 

> >

 

> > > > > > But did these Lions ROAR loud enough to shake the entire JUNGLE ?

 

> >

 

> > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > Lilly

 

> >

 

> > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

 

> >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > Lilly -- are you implying that Vivekananda or Yogananda or MMY or

Rajneesh were all not SERIOUS or SINCERE and came to the WEST under their own

Volitional STEAM? :-)

 

> >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > I will leave the RAMAN and RAO out of this for the time being and

begin at the beginning! Step by Step can we all embark on the journey of

thousand steps!

 

> >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > RR_,

 

> >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > " Goods " been sitting on the CLEARANCE rack at 70% off..Just

waitin' to be taken by the right buyer and finds out there is a new buyer in

town..The buyer has come in a disguise(only the ones with a keen eye recognize

him!) as a foreigner and he is hear to take those interested to a FOREIGN LAND..

He says he is here to make an offer, the a best deal at a WHOLE SALE price, and

ready to buy the entire stock, which will eventually put the SHARE market, and

the BULL'S market to a shame!

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > Such an offer some can't resist, and he swears no hidden cost

involved!! The asking price is - Give your heart, mind, and soul, and in return

you will get everything you ever wanted!! What a deal he's making!! So who is

ready to gamble it all?

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > I know the PANDAV BROTHERS did it! I am sure we can do it also,

if we have the courage!!

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > Lilly

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > I can only offer to others unmolested juicy oranges. They are

supposed to learn by doing how to squeeze the juice, Shenoy_jee :-)

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > RR_,

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > Dear All,

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > //One has got to look at each of those who showed up for the

PARTY//

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >  

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > What Rohini ji has stated (above) is the essence of

Ashtavarga.

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > The problems is rohini ji  writes in riddles (a

student of astrology is supposed to have a strong mercury).

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > In simple terms look at which planets are contributing (and

which do not) to those points.

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > Tue, February 2, 2010 7:13:11 PM

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points

for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay??

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >  

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > Dear friend,

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > Having more bindus in 12th house is good or bad was well

explained with reference to foreign stay..The significance once attached to

foreign stay was to leave your home country and going away from near and dear.It

can also be that you may go awy in the same country due to various reason but

not in a position to involve yourself in the sukh /dukh aspects of kith and kin.

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > 2.In ashtaka varga system we take into consideration all

planets involved together with PAC etc.In the process the bindus might be more

to feel as stronger house.it's strength lies as moksha bhava under various

circumstances

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > Both Saturn and Venus being Karaks of 12th house,their

strength too needed to be considered.As all of us know saturn as a master

emphasises  need to devlop by owns efforts and trials.where as venus a

creative planet .and easy going loves all good and nice things and

comforts.These issues may also influence course of life if more bindus are

noticed in 12H ..

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can

Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/31/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@

hotmail.com> wrote:

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for

12th house:: good for Foreign Stay??

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 31, 2010, 1:06 AM

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >  

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > Just based on the single factor such as SAV or other

cumulative bottom-line? No!

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > Notice that generally when the planets are clustered in a

house, the ashtakavarga of certain houses therefrom tend to have high number of

positive points!

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > Ashtakavarga is not like a POLL or election where if a

certain cluster is high it immediately promises success! Even if for a term ;-)

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > I will leave that tiny wrinkle with you! If you press and

iron it well, you may come back with the very answer that you are looking

for...!

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > For each astrological indicator, please please PLEASE do not

take it in a concrete manner! But really bring out your best faculties and work

at it! AstroLOGIC cannot be learned passively by OSMOSIS!

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > My apologies if I am rattling your cage of comfort the wrong

way!

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > Regardless of whether saints or rogues congregate --

Ashtakavarga may not pick on their QUALITATIVE NATUREs! One has got to look at

each of those who showed up for the PARTY!!

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > PEACE!

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > , " kumar8149 "

<kumar8149@ ..> wrote:

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > > Hi

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > > I read in many articles that having high Ashtaka Varga

points for 12th house, is not desirable. As high points

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > > means more expenses and losses. But 12th house also

signifies foreign stay.

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > > Then, what should we predict for someone who has high

ashtaka varga points in 12th house and is staying in

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > > foreign. Can we predict that foreign stay will be happy or

do we predict that there will be losses??

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > > Anyways, high ashtaka varga points for 12th house, is

something I noticed in my own chart and I am trying to

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > > understand if this is good sign or a bad sign, as I am

already living in foreign land.

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > > Also, let me know how my health would be.

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > > My birth details:

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > > DOB: 8th December 1981

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > > Time: 3 AM

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > > Place of Birth: Chennai, Tamil Nadu

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks

 

> >

 

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> >

 

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> > > > > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > > Kumar

 

> >

 

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> > > > > > > > > > >

 

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> > > > > > > > > >

 

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Dear Asohk Ji,

 

The beauty of religion is that we all realize this thing called GOD/Spiritual

Energy in our own way.

It is deeply personal and we should really not force our beliefs onto others,

don't you think? I mean even if you look within a family you will find a great

spectrum of beliefs, ranging from extreme orthodox to the other tail end of

complete non-believers. And they all still manage to live together in the same

household, peacefully!

 

Lilly

 

, PG <darshan261 wrote:

>

> Hello there: First of all, I am not well informed in the subject of religion

or spirituality, some thing which has stuck with me regarding the ritual aspects

of Hindu religion ( as I understand them ) is that God has no form ,we elect to

give this energy a shape we are comfortable with , similarly God does not expect

gifts , it is our mortals way of expressing our love ( as tame as it might be)

and through these actions we gain solace ( as temporary or long term as might

be). I seem to relate with shri Rohni Ji ( hope fully I understand his point of

view) that these acts are tokens . The value of these acts is as strong or weak

as in th elong run or faith is. Based solely on the reasoning these acts do not

pass the muster of science as we have learned in schools.

> Ashok Goswami

>

> --- On Thu, 2/4/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005 wrote:

>

> Lilly <tigresslilly2005

> Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good

for Foreign Stay??

>

> Thursday, February 4, 2010, 11:17 PM

>

 

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>

Why we offer PRASADAM to God..Is it that God is hungry and has an appetite

like us...Anapoorna MA took the bold step and offered to give GOD this DAAN (to

give up her vices) when he came to her doorstep before anyone else dared to do

it..

>

> What are we really loosing when we give this donation/ offering of giving up

our vices??

>

>

>

> Lilly

>

>

>

> , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...>

wrote:

>

> >

>

> > Perhaps in those Poojas prescribed by our ANCIENTS and the difficult rituals

and what not, a simple TRUTH existed, though HIDDEN?

>

> >

>

> > Something the the Psychologists and modern New-Age messiahs tuned into?

>

> >

>

> > First be KIND to yourself, and LEARN TO LOVE YOURSELF!

>

> >

>

> > A simple evidence and fact?

>

> >

>

> > After the POOJA, any POOJA in any RELIGION, who PHYSICALLY consumes the

Prasaadam or the wafer or whatever the chosen token is ...?

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> >

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> >

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> >

>

> > FIRST LOVE THYSELF -- They ALL stated that again and again, LILLY (and

others too -- who might be listening!) :-)

>

> >

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> > Rohiniranjan

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> >

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> > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

wrote:

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> > >

>

> > > It is v who do all rituals but careless to DAATA and finally DEVATA

to.They need naivedyam and arati to please.They do not ask but realisation that

is what sages d.

>

> > > Might be our own shortsighted conceptions.

>

> > >

>

> > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.

B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are

neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

>

> > >

>

> > > --- On Thu, 2/4/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

>

> > >

>

> > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ >

>

> > > Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house::

good for Foreign Stay??

>

> > >

>

> > > Thursday, February 4, 2010, 9:55 PM

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> > > BY definition DEV-TA is someone who only " GIVES " ( DAATA),and expects

nothing in return! Only someone who's belly is completely full to max can give

selflessly and be a complete donor to mankind.

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> > >

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> > >

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> > > Lilly

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> > >

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> > >

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> > >

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> > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@

....> wrote:

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> > >

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> > > >

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> > >

>

> > > > I do not necessarily separate those convenient categorizations of

entities, Lilly. We human beings are excellent and compulsive classifiers who

tend to categorize reality and parcel it into wonderful and convincing little

packets. Jyotish is no different either -- nor is science of course. And how

else can human beings learn without breaking the Reality into parts, BUT

thereafter we must reconstitute it back -- at least mentally and conceptually.

Like watchmakers, we need to take the watches, many watches apart to learn what

makes those watches tick but once learned, we must strive to put those watches

together. I do not wish to belabour the point, but like they say, each egg has

all that is needed to sustain life, whether as a maternal sac of nourishment or

as an omelette!

>

> > >

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> > > >

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> > >

>

> > > > The egg can sustain the related lifeform within, as well as the

'unrelated' lifeform outside! I am taking poetical license to introduce the

factor of 'relatedness' .

>

> > >

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> > > >

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> > >

>

> > > > Absolutely loving this perpetuum mobile chat with you -- dear soul, but

need to go and continue to put some watches back together or I would not be able

to buy an omelette (figuratively speaking!) ;-)

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> > >

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> > >

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> > > > Rohiniranjan

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> > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ >

wrote:

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> > >

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> > > > > Phir bhi Manu_shya hi teh na

>

> > >

>

> > > > > kahi BHAGWAN, DEVTA, ya PHARISHTA to nahi!

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> > >

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> > >

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> > > > > Lilly

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> > >

>

> > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

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> > >

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> > > > > >

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> > >

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> > > > > > I do not think they were on a 'power-trip' , so it would be unfair

to expect them to have shaken the forest-ful of the Great Unwashed!

>

> > >

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> > > > > >

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> > >

>

> > > > > > A cinema star probably has more power to motivated more people than

a Maharshi or Amma or Paramahamsa, even if for a very short time.

>

> > >

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> > > > > >

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> > >

>

> > > > > > That is why gourmet cooking, sweets and desserts are more popular

than a 'satwik' bhojan!

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> > >

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> > > > > >

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> > >

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> > > > > > RR

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> > >

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> > >

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> > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

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> > >

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> > > > > > > All these LIONS made big contribution to our society when we

needed it the most, and have left their legacy behind which is still honored by

many!! So in essence I really have no problem with any of these big

Guru's..There are many who benefited from them and continue to follow there

footsteps..

>

> > >

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> > > > > > > But did these Lions ROAR loud enough to shake the entire JUNGLE ?

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> > > > > > > Lilly

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> > >

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> > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

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> > >

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> > >

>

> > > > > > > > Lilly -- are you implying that Vivekananda or Yogananda or MMY

or Rajneesh were all not SERIOUS or SINCERE and came to the WEST under their own

Volitional STEAM? :-)

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > I will leave the RAMAN and RAO out of this for the time being

and begin at the beginning! Step by Step can we all embark on the journey of

thousand steps!

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> > >

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> > > > > > > > RR_,

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> > >

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> > >

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> > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

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> > >

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> > > > > > > > > " Goods " been sitting on the CLEARANCE rack at 70% off..Just

waitin' to be taken by the right buyer and finds out there is a new buyer in

town..The buyer has come in a disguise(only the ones with a keen eye recognize

him!) as a foreigner and he is hear to take those interested to a FOREIGN LAND..

He says he is here to make an offer, the a best deal at a WHOLE SALE price, and

ready to buy the entire stock, which will eventually put the SHARE market, and

the BULL'S market to a shame!

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > Such an offer some can't resist, and he swears no hidden cost

involved!! The asking price is - Give your heart, mind, and soul, and in return

you will get everything you ever wanted!! What a deal he's making!! So who is

ready to gamble it all?

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> > >

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> > > > > > > > > I know the PANDAV BROTHERS did it! I am sure we can do it

also, if we have the courage!!

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> > > > > > > > > Lilly

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> > >

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> > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

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> > > > > > > > > > I can only offer to others unmolested juicy oranges. They

are supposed to learn by doing how to squeeze the juice, Shenoy_jee :-)

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> > > > > > > > > > RR_,

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> > >

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> > >

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> > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

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> > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,

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> > >

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> > > > > > > > > > >

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> > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > //One has got to look at each of those who showed up for

the PARTY//

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> > > > > > > > > > >  

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> > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > What Rohini ji has stated (above) is the essence of

Ashtavarga.

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> > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > The problems is rohini ji  writes in riddles (a

student of astrology is supposed to have a strong mercury).

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> > >

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> > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > In simple terms look at which planets are contributing

(and which do not) to those points.

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> > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

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> > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

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> > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

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> > >

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> > > > > > > > > > >

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> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Tue, February 2, 2010 7:13:11 PM

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> > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga

points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay??

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> > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > Dear friend,

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> > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > Having more bindus in 12th house is good or bad was well

explained with reference to foreign stay..The significance once attached to

foreign stay was to leave your home country and going away from near and dear.It

can also be that you may go awy in the same country due to various reason but

not in a position to involve yourself in the sukh /dukh aspects of kith and kin.

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > 2.In ashtaka varga system we take into consideration all

planets involved together with PAC etc.In the process the bindus might be more

to feel as stronger house.it's strength lies as moksha bhava under various

circumstances

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Both Saturn and Venus being Karaks of 12th house,their

strength too needed to be considered.As all of us know saturn as a master

emphasises  need to devlop by owns efforts and trials.where as venus a

creative planet .and easy going loves all good and nice things and

comforts.These issues may also influence course of life if more bindus are

noticed in 12H ..

>

> > >

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> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can

Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

>

> > >

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> > > > > > > > > > >

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> > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/31/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@

hotmail.com> wrote:

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> > >

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> > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points

for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay??

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> > >

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> > > > > > > > > > >

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> > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 31, 2010, 1:06 AM

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> > >

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> > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > Just based on the single factor such as SAV or other

cumulative bottom-line? No!

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> > >

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> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Notice that generally when the planets are clustered in a

house, the ashtakavarga of certain houses therefrom tend to have high number of

positive points!

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Ashtakavarga is not like a POLL or election where if a

certain cluster is high it immediately promises success! Even if for a term ;-)

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > I will leave that tiny wrinkle with you! If you press and

iron it well, you may come back with the very answer that you are looking

for...!

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > For each astrological indicator, please please PLEASE do

not take it in a concrete manner! But really bring out your best faculties and

work at it! AstroLOGIC cannot be learned passively by OSMOSIS!

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > My apologies if I am rattling your cage of comfort the

wrong way!

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Regardless of whether saints or rogues congregate --

Ashtakavarga may not pick on their QUALITATIVE NATUREs! One has got to look at

each of those who showed up for the PARTY!!

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > PEACE!

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > , " kumar8149 "

<kumar8149@ ..> wrote:

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> > > > > > > > > > > > Hi

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> > > > > > > > > > > > I read in many articles that having high Ashtaka Varga

points for 12th house, is not desirable. As high points

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> > > > > > > > > > > > means more expenses and losses. But 12th house also

signifies foreign stay.

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> > > > > > > > > > > > Then, what should we predict for someone who has high

ashtaka varga points in 12th house and is staying in

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> > > > > > > > > > > > foreign. Can we predict that foreign stay will be happy

or do we predict that there will be losses??

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> > > > > > > > > > > > Anyways, high ashtaka varga points for 12th house, is

something I noticed in my own chart and I am trying to

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> > > > > > > > > > > > understand if this is good sign or a bad sign, as I am

already living in foreign land.

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> > > > > > > > > > > > Also, let me know how my health would be.

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> > > > > > > > > > > > My birth details:

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> > > > > > > > > > > > DOB: 8th December 1981

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> > > > > > > > > > > > Time: 3 AM

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> > > > > > > > > > > > Place of Birth: Chennai, Tamil Nadu

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Shuresh Ji, my purpose was not to disrespect or offend anyone..If you feel my

message came across that way then my sincere apology to you and everyone.

 

 

Lilly

 

, " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag

wrote:

>

> //Why we offer PRASADAM to God..Is it that God is hungry and has an appetite

like us...//

>

> Do not overstep into those areas about which you understand very little.

>

> It is upto to you whether to ramble on every thing or make a real effort to

understand - which is not evident

> A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> PG <darshan261

>

> Fri, February 5, 2010 10:13:36 AM

> Re: Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house::

good for Foreign Stay??

>

>  

> Hello there: First of all, I am not well informed in the subject of religion

or spirituality, some thing which has stuck with me regarding the ritual aspects

of Hindu religion ( as I understand them ) is that God has no form ,we elect to

give this energy a shape we are comfortable with , similarly God does not expect

gifts , it is our mortals way of expressing our love ( as tame as it might be)

and through these actions we gain solace ( as temporary or long term as might

be). I seem to relate with shri Rohni Ji ( hope fully I understand his point of

view) that these acts are tokens . The value of these acts is as strong or weak

as in th elong run or faith is. Based solely on the reasoning these acts do not

pass the muster of science as we have learned in schools.

> Ashok Goswami

>

> --- On Thu, 2/4/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

>

> Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ >

> Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good

for Foreign Stay??

>

> Thursday, February 4, 2010, 11:17 PM

>

>  

>

> Why we offer PRASADAM to God..Is it that God is hungry and has an appetite

like us...Anapoorna MA took the bold step and offered to give GOD this DAAN (to

give up her vices) when he came to her doorstep before anyone else dared to do

it..

>

> What are we really loosing when we give this donation/ offering of giving up

our vices??

>

> Lilly

>

> , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...>

wrote:

>

> >

>

> > Perhaps in those Poojas prescribed by our ANCIENTS and the difficult rituals

and what not, a simple TRUTH existed, though HIDDEN?

>

> >

>

> > Something the the Psychologists and modern New-Age messiahs tuned into?

>

> >

>

> > First be KIND to yourself, and LEARN TO LOVE YOURSELF!

>

> >

>

> > A simple evidence and fact?

>

> >

>

> > After the POOJA, any POOJA in any RELIGION, who PHYSICALLY consumes the

Prasaadam or the wafer or whatever the chosen token is ...?

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > FIRST LOVE THYSELF -- They ALL stated that again and again, LILLY (and

others too -- who might be listening!) :-)

>

> >

>

> > Rohiniranjan

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

wrote:

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> > >

>

> > > It is v who do all rituals but careless to DAATA and finally DEVATA

to.They need naivedyam and arati to please.They do not ask but realisation that

is what sages d.

>

> > > Might be our own shortsighted conceptions.

>

> > >

>

> > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.

B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are

neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

>

> > >

>

> > > --- On Thu, 2/4/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

>

> > >

>

> > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ >

>

> > > Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house::

good for Foreign Stay??

>

> > >

>

> > > Thursday, February 4, 2010, 9:55 PM

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> > >

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>

> > > BY definition DEV-TA is someone who only " GIVES " ( DAATA),and expects

nothing in return! Only someone who's belly is completely full to max can give

selflessly and be a complete donor to mankind.

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > > Lilly

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@

....> wrote:

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> > >

>

> > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > I do not necessarily separate those convenient categorizations of

entities, Lilly. We human beings are excellent and compulsive classifiers who

tend to categorize reality and parcel it into wonderful and convincing little

packets. Jyotish is no different either -- nor is science of course. And how

else can human beings learn without breaking the Reality into parts, BUT

thereafter we must reconstitute it back -- at least mentally and conceptually.

Like watchmakers, we need to take the watches, many watches apart to learn what

makes those watches tick but once learned, we must strive to put those watches

together. I do not wish to belabour the point, but like they say, each egg has

all that is needed to sustain life, whether as a maternal sac of nourishment or

as an omelette!

>

> > >

>

> > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > The egg can sustain the related lifeform within, as well as the

'unrelated' lifeform outside! I am taking poetical license to introduce the

factor of 'relatedness' .

>

> > >

>

> > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > Absolutely loving this perpetuum mobile chat with you -- dear soul, but

need to go and continue to put some watches back together or I would not be able

to buy an omelette (figuratively speaking!) ;-)

>

> > >

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> > > >

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> > >

>

> > > > Rohiniranjan

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> > >

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> > > >

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> > >

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> > > >

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> > >

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> > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ >

wrote:

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> > >

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> > > > >

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> > >

>

> > > > > Phir bhi Manu_shya hi teh na

>

> > >

>

> > > > > kahi BHAGWAN, DEVTA, ya PHARISHTA to nahi!

>

> > >

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> > > > >

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> > >

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> > > > >

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> > >

>

> > > > > Lilly

>

> > >

>

> > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

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> > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > I do not think they were on a 'power-trip' , so it would be unfair

to expect them to have shaken the forest-ful of the Great Unwashed!

>

> > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > A cinema star probably has more power to motivated more people than

a Maharshi or Amma or Paramahamsa, even if for a very short time.

>

> > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > That is why gourmet cooking, sweets and desserts are more popular

than a 'satwik' bhojan!

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> > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > RR

>

> > >

>

> > > > > >

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> > >

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> > > > > >

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> > >

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> > > > > >

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> > >

>

> > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

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> > >

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> > > > > > >

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> > >

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> > > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > All these LIONS made big contribution to our society when we

needed it the most, and have left their legacy behind which is still honored by

many!! So in essence I really have no problem with any of these big

Guru's..There are many who benefited from them and continue to follow there

footsteps..

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > But did these Lions ROAR loud enough to shake the entire JUNGLE ?

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> > >

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> > > > > > >

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> > >

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> > > > > > > Lilly

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > Lilly -- are you implying that Vivekananda or Yogananda or MMY

or Rajneesh were all not SERIOUS or SINCERE and came to the WEST under their own

Volitional STEAM? :-)

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > I will leave the RAMAN and RAO out of this for the time being

and begin at the beginning! Step by Step can we all embark on the journey of

thousand steps!

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > RR_,

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > >

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> > >

>

> > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > " Goods " been sitting on the CLEARANCE rack at 70% off..Just

waitin' to be taken by the right buyer and finds out there is a new buyer in

town..The buyer has come in a disguise(only the ones with a keen eye recognize

him!) as a foreigner and he is hear to take those interested to a FOREIGN LAND..

He says he is here to make an offer, the a best deal at a WHOLE SALE price, and

ready to buy the entire stock, which will eventually put the SHARE market, and

the BULL'S market to a shame!

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > Such an offer some can't resist, and he swears no hidden cost

involved!! The asking price is - Give your heart, mind, and soul, and in return

you will get everything you ever wanted!! What a deal he's making!! So who is

ready to gamble it all?

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > I know the PANDAV BROTHERS did it! I am sure we can do it

also, if we have the courage!!

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > Lilly

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > I can only offer to others unmolested juicy oranges. They

are supposed to learn by doing how to squeeze the juice, Shenoy_jee :-)

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > RR_,

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

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> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > //One has got to look at each of those who showed up for

the PARTY//

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >  

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > What Rohini ji has stated (above) is the essence of

Ashtavarga.

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > The problems is rohini ji  writes in riddles (a

student of astrology is supposed to have a strong mercury).

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > In simple terms look at which planets are contributing

(and which do not) to those points.

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> > >

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> > > > > > > > > > >

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> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

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> > >

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> > > > > > > > > > >

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> > >

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> > > > > > > > > > >

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> > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

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> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

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> > >

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> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Tue, February 2, 2010 7:13:11 PM

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> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga

points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay??

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> > >

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> > > > > > > > > > >

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> > >

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> > > > > > > > > > >  

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> > > > > > > > > > > Dear friend,

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> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Having more bindus in 12th house is good or bad was well

explained with reference to foreign stay..The significance once attached to

foreign stay was to leave your home country and going away from near and dear.It

can also be that you may go awy in the same country due to various reason but

not in a position to involve yourself in the sukh /dukh aspects of kith and kin.

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > 2.In ashtaka varga system we take into consideration all

planets involved together with PAC etc.In the process the bindus might be more

to feel as stronger house.it's strength lies as moksha bhava under various

circumstances

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Both Saturn and Venus being Karaks of 12th house,their

strength too needed to be considered.As all of us know saturn as a master

emphasises  need to devlop by owns efforts and trials.where as venus a

creative planet .and easy going loves all good and nice things and

comforts.These issues may also influence course of life if more bindus are

noticed in 12H ..

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can

Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

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> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

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> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/31/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@

hotmail.com> wrote:

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> > >

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> > > > > > > > > > >

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> > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points

for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay??

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> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

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> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 31, 2010, 1:06 AM

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> > >

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> > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > >

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> > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > Just based on the single factor such as SAV or other

cumulative bottom-line? No!

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> > >

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> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Notice that generally when the planets are clustered in a

house, the ashtakavarga of certain houses therefrom tend to have high number of

positive points!

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> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

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> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Ashtakavarga is not like a POLL or election where if a

certain cluster is high it immediately promises success! Even if for a term ;-)

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> > >

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> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > I will leave that tiny wrinkle with you! If you press and

iron it well, you may come back with the very answer that you are looking

for...!

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> > >

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> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > For each astrological indicator, please please PLEASE do

not take it in a concrete manner! But really bring out your best faculties and

work at it! AstroLOGIC cannot be learned passively by OSMOSIS!

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

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> > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > My apologies if I am rattling your cage of comfort the

wrong way!

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> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > Regardless of whether saints or rogues congregate --

Ashtakavarga may not pick on their QUALITATIVE NATUREs! One has got to look at

each of those who showed up for the PARTY!!

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> > >

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> > > > > > > > > > >

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> > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > PEACE!

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

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> > >

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> > > > > > > > > > >

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> > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > , " kumar8149 "

<kumar8149@ ..> wrote:

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> > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > >

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> > > > > > > > > > >

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> > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > > Hi

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> > >

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> > > > > > > > > > >

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> > >

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> > > > > > > > > > >

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> > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > > I read in many articles that having high Ashtaka Varga

points for 12th house, is not desirable. As high points

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> > > > > > > > > > > > means more expenses and losses. But 12th house also

signifies foreign stay.

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> > >

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> > > > > > > > > > >

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> > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > > Then, what should we predict for someone who has high

ashtaka varga points in 12th house and is staying in

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> > >

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> > > > > > > > > > >

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> > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > > foreign. Can we predict that foreign stay will be happy

or do we predict that there will be losses??

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> > > > > > > > > > >

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> > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > > Anyways, high ashtaka varga points for 12th house, is

something I noticed in my own chart and I am trying to

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Hello Lilly: I agree with your analysis that we realise GOD/Spirtual enrgy in

our own way. Diversity of experience and out look is healthy and we must not

impose or believe one idea to be some how superior. I feel however that guidance

from teacher can make this journey more productive.

Ashok Goswami

 

--- On Thu, 2/4/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005 wrote:

 

Lilly <tigresslilly2005

Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good

for Foreign Stay??

 

Thursday, February 4, 2010, 11:59 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Asohk Ji,

 

 

 

The beauty of religion is that we all realize this thing called GOD/Spiritual

Energy in our own way.

 

It is deeply personal and we should really not force our beliefs onto others,

don't you think? I mean even if you look within a family you will find a great

spectrum of beliefs, ranging from extreme orthodox to the other tail end of

complete non-believers. And they all still manage to live together in the same

household, peacefully!

 

 

 

Lilly

 

 

 

, PG <darshan261@ ...> wrote:

 

>

 

> Hello there: First of all, I am not well informed in the subject of religion

or spirituality, some thing which has stuck with me regarding the ritual aspects

of Hindu religion ( as I understand them ) is that God has no form ,we elect to

give this energy a shape we are comfortable with , similarly God does not expect

gifts , it is our mortals way of expressing our love ( as tame as it might be)

and through these actions we gain solace ( as temporary or long term as might

be). I seem to relate with shri Rohni Ji ( hope fully I understand his point of

view) that these acts are tokens . The value of these acts is as strong or weak

as in th elong run or faith is. Based solely on the reasoning these acts do not

pass the muster of science as we have learned in schools.

 

> Ashok Goswami

 

>

 

> --- On Thu, 2/4/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote:

 

>

 

> Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...>

 

> Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good

for Foreign Stay??

 

>

 

> Thursday, February 4, 2010, 11:17 PM

 

>

 

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>

 

> Why we offer PRASADAM to God..Is it that God is hungry and has an appetite

like us...Anapoorna MA took the bold step and offered to give GOD this DAAN (to

give up her vices) when he came to her doorstep before anyone else dared to do

it..

 

>

 

> What are we really loosing when we give this donation/ offering of giving up

our vices??

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> Lilly

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...>

wrote:

 

>

 

> >

 

>

 

> > Perhaps in those Poojas prescribed by our ANCIENTS and the difficult rituals

and what not, a simple TRUTH existed, though HIDDEN?

 

>

 

> >

 

>

 

> > Something the the Psychologists and modern New-Age messiahs tuned into?

 

>

 

> >

 

>

 

> > First be KIND to yourself, and LEARN TO LOVE YOURSELF!

 

>

 

> >

 

>

 

> > A simple evidence and fact?

 

>

 

> >

 

>

 

> > After the POOJA, any POOJA in any RELIGION, who PHYSICALLY consumes the

Prasaadam or the wafer or whatever the chosen token is ...?

 

>

 

> >

 

>

 

> >

 

>

 

> >

 

>

 

> > FIRST LOVE THYSELF -- They ALL stated that again and again, LILLY (and

others too -- who might be listening!) :-)

 

>

 

> >

 

>

 

> > Rohiniranjan

 

>

 

> >

 

>

 

> >

 

>

 

> >

 

>

 

> >

 

>

 

> >

 

>

 

> > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

wrote:

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > It is v who do all rituals but careless to DAATA and finally DEVATA

to.They need naivedyam and arati to please.They do not ask but realisation that

is what sages d.

 

>

 

> > > Might be our own shortsighted conceptions.

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.

B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > --- On Thu, 2/4/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ >

 

>

 

> > > Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house::

good for Foreign Stay??

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > Thursday, February 4, 2010, 9:55 PM

 

>

 

> > >

 

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> > >

 

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> > >

 

>

 

> > > BY definition DEV-TA is someone who only " GIVES " ( DAATA),and expects

nothing in return! Only someone who's belly is completely full to max can give

selflessly and be a complete donor to mankind.

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > Lilly

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@

....> wrote:

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > I do not necessarily separate those convenient categorizations of

entities, Lilly. We human beings are excellent and compulsive classifiers who

tend to categorize reality and parcel it into wonderful and convincing little

packets. Jyotish is no different either -- nor is science of course. And how

else can human beings learn without breaking the Reality into parts, BUT

thereafter we must reconstitute it back -- at least mentally and conceptually.

Like watchmakers, we need to take the watches, many watches apart to learn what

makes those watches tick but once learned, we must strive to put those watches

together. I do not wish to belabour the point, but like they say, each egg has

all that is needed to sustain life, whether as a maternal sac of nourishment or

as an omelette!

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > The egg can sustain the related lifeform within, as well as the

'unrelated' lifeform outside! I am taking poetical license to introduce the

factor of 'relatedness' .

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > Absolutely loving this perpetuum mobile chat with you -- dear soul, but

need to go and continue to put some watches back together or I would not be able

to buy an omelette (figuratively speaking!) ;-)

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > Rohiniranjan

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ >

wrote:

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > Phir bhi Manu_shya hi teh na

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > kahi BHAGWAN, DEVTA, ya PHARISHTA to nahi!

 

>

 

> > >

 

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> > > > >

 

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> > > > >

 

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> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > Lilly

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > I do not think they were on a 'power-trip' , so it would be unfair

to expect them to have shaken the forest-ful of the Great Unwashed!

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > A cinema star probably has more power to motivated more people than

a Maharshi or Amma or Paramahamsa, even if for a very short time.

 

>

 

> > >

 

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> > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > That is why gourmet cooking, sweets and desserts are more popular

than a 'satwik' bhojan!

 

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> > >

 

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> > > > > > RR

 

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> > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

 

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> > >

 

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> > > > > > >

 

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> > >

 

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> > > > > > >

 

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> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > All these LIONS made big contribution to our society when we

needed it the most, and have left their legacy behind which is still honored by

many!! So in essence I really have no problem with any of these big

Guru's..There are many who benefited from them and continue to follow there

footsteps..

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > But did these Lions ROAR loud enough to shake the entire JUNGLE ?

 

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> > >

 

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> > > > > > > Lilly

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > >

 

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> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

 

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> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > >

 

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> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > Lilly -- are you implying that Vivekananda or Yogananda or MMY

or Rajneesh were all not SERIOUS or SINCERE and came to the WEST under their own

Volitional STEAM? :-)

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > I will leave the RAMAN and RAO out of this for the time being

and begin at the beginning! Step by Step can we all embark on the journey of

thousand steps!

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > RR_,

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > " Goods " been sitting on the CLEARANCE rack at 70% off..Just

waitin' to be taken by the right buyer and finds out there is a new buyer in

town..The buyer has come in a disguise(only the ones with a keen eye recognize

him!) as a foreigner and he is hear to take those interested to a FOREIGN LAND..

He says he is here to make an offer, the a best deal at a WHOLE SALE price, and

ready to buy the entire stock, which will eventually put the SHARE market, and

the BULL'S market to a shame!

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > Such an offer some can't resist, and he swears no hidden cost

involved!! The asking price is - Give your heart, mind, and soul, and in return

you will get everything you ever wanted!! What a deal he's making!! So who is

ready to gamble it all?

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > I know the PANDAV BROTHERS did it! I am sure we can do it

also, if we have the courage!!

 

>

 

> > >

 

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> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > Lilly

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

 

>

 

> > >

 

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> > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > I can only offer to others unmolested juicy oranges. They

are supposed to learn by doing how to squeeze the juice, Shenoy_jee :-)

 

>

 

> > >

 

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> > > > > > > > > >

 

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> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > RR_,

 

>

 

> > >

 

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> > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

 

>

 

> > >

 

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> > > > > > > > > > >

 

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> > >

 

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> > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > > //One has got to look at each of those who showed up for

the PARTY//

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > >  

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > > What Rohini ji has stated (above) is the essence of

Ashtavarga.

 

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> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > > The problems is rohini ji  writes in

riddles (a student of astrology is supposed to have a strong mercury).

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > > In simple terms look at which planets are contributing

(and which do not) to those points.

 

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> > >

 

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> > > > > > > > > > >

 

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> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

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> > >

 

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> > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

 

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> > >

 

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>

 

> > > > > > > > > > > Tue, February 2, 2010 7:13:11 PM

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga

points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay??

 

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> > > > > > > > > > > Dear friend,

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > > Having more bindus in 12th house is good or bad was well

explained with reference to foreign stay..The significance once attached to

foreign stay was to leave your home country and going away from near and dear.It

can also be that you may go awy in the same country due to various reason but

not in a position to involve yourself in the sukh /dukh aspects of kith and kin.

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > > 2.In ashtaka varga system we take into consideration all

planets involved together with PAC etc.In the process the bindus might be more

to feel as stronger house.it's strength lies as moksha bhava under various

circumstances

 

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> > >

 

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> > > > > > > > > > > Both Saturn and Venus being Karaks of 12th house,their

strength too needed to be considered.As all of us know saturn as a master

emphasises  need to devlop by owns efforts and trials.where

as venus a creative planet .and easy going loves all good and nice things and

comforts.These issues may also influence course of life if more bindus are

noticed in 12H ..

 

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> > >

 

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> > >

 

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> > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets

While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets

are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

 

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> > >

 

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> > > > > > > > > > >

 

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> > >

 

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> > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/31/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@

hotmail.com> wrote:

 

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> > >

 

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> > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

 

>

 

> > >

 

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> > > > > > > > > > > Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points

for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay??

 

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> > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 31, 2010, 1:06 AM

 

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> > > > > > > > > > > Just based on the single factor such as SAV or other

cumulative bottom-line? No!

 

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> > > > > > > > > > >

 

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> > >

 

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> > > > > > > > > > > Notice that generally when the planets are clustered in a

house, the ashtakavarga of certain houses therefrom tend to have high number of

positive points!

 

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> > >

 

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> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > > Ashtakavarga is not like a POLL or election where if a

certain cluster is high it immediately promises success! Even if for a term ;-)

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > > I will leave that tiny wrinkle with you! If you press and

iron it well, you may come back with the very answer that you are looking

for...!

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > > For each astrological indicator, please please PLEASE do

not take it in a concrete manner! But really bring out your best faculties and

work at it! AstroLOGIC cannot be learned passively by OSMOSIS!

 

>

 

> > >

 

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> > > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > > My apologies if I am rattling your cage of comfort the

wrong way!

 

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> > >

 

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> > > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > > Regardless of whether saints or rogues congregate --

Ashtakavarga may not pick on their QUALITATIVE NATUREs! One has got to look at

each of those who showed up for the PARTY!!

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > > PEACE!

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

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> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > > , " kumar8149 "

<kumar8149@ ..> wrote:

 

>

 

> > >

 

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> > > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

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> > > > > > > > > > > > Hi

 

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> > > > > > > > > > > > I read in many articles that having high Ashtaka Varga

points for 12th house, is not desirable. As high points

 

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> > > > > > > > > > > > means more expenses and losses. But 12th house also

signifies foreign stay.

 

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> > > > > > > > > > > > Then, what should we predict for someone who has high

ashtaka varga points in 12th house and is staying in

 

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> > > > > > > > > > > > foreign. Can we predict that foreign stay will be happy

or do we predict that there will be losses??

 

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>

 

> > > > > > > > > > > > Anyways, high ashtaka varga points for 12th house, is

something I noticed in my own chart and I am trying to

 

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> > > > > > > > > > > > understand if this is good sign or a bad sign, as I am

already living in foreign land.

 

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> > > > > > > > > > > > Also, let me know how my health would be.

 

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> > > > > > > > > > > > DOB: 8th December 1981

 

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> > > > > > > > > > > > Time: 3 AM

 

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> > > > > > > > > > > > Place of Birth: Chennai, Tamil Nadu

 

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Who gets " offended " ? - realy (I don't)  

 A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Lilly <tigresslilly2005

 

Fri, February 5, 2010 10:46:48 AM

Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good

for Foreign Stay??

 

 

Shuresh Ji, my purpose was not to disrespect or offend anyone..If you feel my

message came across that way then my sincere apology to you and everyone.

 

Lilly

 

, " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...>

wrote:

>

> //Why we offer PRASADAM to God..Is it that God is hungry and has an appetite

like us...//

>

> Do not overstep into those areas about which you understand very little.

>

> It is upto to you whether to ramble on every thing or make a real effort to

understand - which is not evident

> A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> PG <darshan261@ ...>

>

> Fri, February 5, 2010 10:13:36 AM

> Re: Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house::

good for Foreign Stay??

>

>  

> Hello there: First of all, I am not well informed in the subject of religion

or spirituality, some thing which has stuck with me regarding the ritual aspects

of Hindu religion ( as I understand them ) is that God has no form ,we elect to

give this energy a shape we are comfortable with , similarly God does not expect

gifts , it is our mortals way of expressing our love ( as tame as it might be)

and through these actions we gain solace ( as temporary or long term as might

be). I seem to relate with shri Rohni Ji ( hope fully I understand his point of

view) that these acts are tokens . The value of these acts is as strong or weak

as in th elong run or faith is. Based solely on the reasoning these acts do not

pass the muster of science as we have learned in schools.

> Ashok Goswami

>

> --- On Thu, 2/4/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

>

> Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ >

> Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good

for Foreign Stay??

>

> Thursday, February 4, 2010, 11:17 PM

>

>  

>

> Why we offer PRASADAM to God..Is it that God is hungry and has an appetite

like us...Anapoorna MA took the bold step and offered to give GOD this DAAN (to

give up her vices) when he came to her doorstep before anyone else dared to do

it..

>

> What are we really loosing when we give this donation/ offering of giving up

our vices??

>

> Lilly

>

> , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...>

wrote:

>

> >

>

> > Perhaps in those Poojas prescribed by our ANCIENTS and the difficult rituals

and what not, a simple TRUTH existed, though HIDDEN?

>

> >

>

> > Something the the Psychologists and modern New-Age messiahs tuned into?

>

> >

>

> > First be KIND to yourself, and LEARN TO LOVE YOURSELF!

>

> >

>

> > A simple evidence and fact?

>

> >

>

> > After the POOJA, any POOJA in any RELIGION, who PHYSICALLY consumes the

Prasaadam or the wafer or whatever the chosen token is ...?

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > FIRST LOVE THYSELF -- They ALL stated that again and again, LILLY (and

others too -- who might be listening!) :-)

>

> >

>

> > Rohiniranjan

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

wrote:

>

> > >

>

> > > It is v who do all rituals but careless to DAATA and finally DEVATA

to.They need naivedyam and arati to please.They do not ask but realisation that

is what sages d.

>

> > > Might be our own shortsighted conceptions.

>

> > >

>

> > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.

B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

>

> > >

>

> > > --- On Thu, 2/4/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

>

> > >

>

> > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ >

>

> > > Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house::

good for Foreign Stay??

>

> > >

>

> > > Thursday, February 4, 2010, 9:55 PM

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> > >

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> > > BY definition DEV-TA is someone who only " GIVES " ( DAATA),and expects

nothing in return! Only someone who's belly is completely full to max can give

selflessly and be a complete donor to mankind.

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > > Lilly

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@

....> wrote:

>

> > >

>

> > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > I do not necessarily separate those convenient categorizations of

entities, Lilly. We human beings are excellent and compulsive classifiers who

tend to categorize reality and parcel it into wonderful and convincing little

packets. Jyotish is no different either -- nor is science of course. And how

else can human beings learn without breaking the Reality into parts, BUT

thereafter we must reconstitute it back -- at least mentally and conceptually.

Like watchmakers, we need to take the watches, many watches apart to learn what

makes those watches tick but once learned, we must strive to put those watches

together. I do not wish to belabour the point, but like they say, each egg has

all that is needed to sustain life, whether as a maternal sac of nourishment or

as an omelette!

>

> > >

>

> > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > The egg can sustain the related lifeform within, as well as the

'unrelated' lifeform outside! I am taking poetical license to introduce the

factor of 'relatedness' .

>

> > >

>

> > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > Absolutely loving this perpetuum mobile chat with you -- dear soul, but

need to go and continue to put some watches back together or I would not be able

to buy an omelette (figuratively speaking!) ;-)

>

> > >

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> > > >

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> > >

>

> > > > Rohiniranjan

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> > >

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> > > >

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> > >

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> > > >

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> > >

>

> > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ >

wrote:

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> > >

>

> > > > >

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> > >

>

> > > > > Phir bhi Manu_shya hi teh na

>

> > >

>

> > > > > kahi BHAGWAN, DEVTA, ya PHARISHTA to nahi!

>

> > >

>

> > > > >

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> > >

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> > > > >

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> > >

>

> > > > > Lilly

>

> > >

>

> > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

>

> > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > I do not think they were on a 'power-trip' , so it would be unfair

to expect them to have shaken the forest-ful of the Great Unwashed!

>

> > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > A cinema star probably has more power to motivated more people than

a Maharshi or Amma or Paramahamsa, even if for a very short time.

>

> > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > That is why gourmet cooking, sweets and desserts are more popular

than a 'satwik' bhojan!

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> > >

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> > > > > >

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> > >

>

> > > > > > RR

>

> > >

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> > > > > >

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> > >

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> > >

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> > > > > >

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> > >

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> > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

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> > >

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> > >

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> > > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > All these LIONS made big contribution to our society when we

needed it the most, and have left their legacy behind which is still honored by

many!! So in essence I really have no problem with any of these big

Guru's..There are many who benefited from them and continue to follow there

footsteps..

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > But did these Lions ROAR loud enough to shake the entire JUNGLE ?

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> > >

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> > > > > > > Lilly

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> > >

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> > > > > > >

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> > >

>

> > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > Lilly -- are you implying that Vivekananda or Yogananda or MMY

or Rajneesh were all not SERIOUS or SINCERE and came to the WEST under their own

Volitional STEAM? :-)

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > I will leave the RAMAN and RAO out of this for the time being

and begin at the beginning! Step by Step can we all embark on the journey of

thousand steps!

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > RR_,

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> > >

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> > > > > > > >

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> > >

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> > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

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> > >

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> > > > > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > " Goods " been sitting on the CLEARANCE rack at 70% off..Just

waitin' to be taken by the right buyer and finds out there is a new buyer in

town..The buyer has come in a disguise(only the ones with a keen eye recognize

him!) as a foreigner and he is hear to take those interested to a FOREIGN LAND..

He says he is here to make an offer, the a best deal at a WHOLE SALE price, and

ready to buy the entire stock, which will eventually put the SHARE market, and

the BULL'S market to a shame!

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > Such an offer some can't resist, and he swears no hidden cost

involved!! The asking price is - Give your heart, mind, and soul, and in return

you will get everything you ever wanted!! What a deal he's making!! So who is

ready to gamble it all?

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > I know the PANDAV BROTHERS did it! I am sure we can do it

also, if we have the courage!!

>

> > >

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> > > > > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > Lilly

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > I can only offer to others unmolested juicy oranges. They

are supposed to learn by doing how to squeeze the juice, Shenoy_jee :-)

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > RR_,

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > //One has got to look at each of those who showed up for

the PARTY//

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >  

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > What Rohini ji has stated (above) is the essence of

Ashtavarga.

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > The problems is rohini ji  writes in

riddles (a student of astrology is supposed to have a strong mercury).

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > In simple terms look at which planets are contributing

(and which do not) to those points.

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> > >

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> > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

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> > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

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> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

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> > >

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> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Tue, February 2, 2010 7:13:11 PM

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> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga

points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay??

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> > >

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> > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > >  

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> > > > > > > > > > > Dear friend,

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Having more bindus in 12th house is good or bad was well

explained with reference to foreign stay..The significance once attached to

foreign stay was to leave your home country and going away from near and dear.It

can also be that you may go awy in the same country due to various reason but

not in a position to involve yourself in the sukh /dukh aspects of kith and kin.

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > 2.In ashtaka varga system we take into consideration all

planets involved together with PAC etc.In the process the bindus might be more

to feel as stronger house.it's strength lies as moksha bhava under various

circumstances

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Both Saturn and Venus being Karaks of 12th house,their

strength too needed to be considered.As all of us know saturn as a master

emphasises  need to devlop by owns efforts and trials.where

as venus a creative planet .and easy going loves all good and nice things and

comforts.These issues may also influence course of life if more bindus are

noticed in 12H ..

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets

While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets

are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/31/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@

hotmail.com> wrote:

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> > >

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> > > > > > > > > > >

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> > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points

for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay??

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> > >

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> > > > > > > > > > >

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> > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 31, 2010, 1:06 AM

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> > >

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> > > > > > > > > > >  

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> > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > Just based on the single factor such as SAV or other

cumulative bottom-line? No!

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> > >

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> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Notice that generally when the planets are clustered in a

house, the ashtakavarga of certain houses therefrom tend to have high number of

positive points!

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Ashtakavarga is not like a POLL or election where if a

certain cluster is high it immediately promises success! Even if for a term ;-)

>

> > >

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> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > I will leave that tiny wrinkle with you! If you press and

iron it well, you may come back with the very answer that you are looking

for...!

>

> > >

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> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > For each astrological indicator, please please PLEASE do

not take it in a concrete manner! But really bring out your best faculties and

work at it! AstroLOGIC cannot be learned passively by OSMOSIS!

>

> > >

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> > > > > > > > > > >

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> > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > My apologies if I am rattling your cage of comfort the

wrong way!

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> > >

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> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Regardless of whether saints or rogues congregate --

Ashtakavarga may not pick on their QUALITATIVE NATUREs! One has got to look at

each of those who showed up for the PARTY!!

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> > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > PEACE!

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> > >

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> > > > > > > > > > >

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> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

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> > >

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> > > > > > > > > > >

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> > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > , " kumar8149 "

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Dear Members,

I have already referred about the quality of discussions as more spirtual

arising out of 12th house,if people agree it as a sentiment of Moksha how ever

pertinent to the thread and to the bigger realm of moksha and spirtuality.So

ultimately some mass getting gathered in various ways depending on rs

half baked opinions/views.at the best logic..Further

relegion,Gods,rituals,poojas and prasads too are our views 

The beauty of Religion lies in bringing people together and and talk of good

things.we mean more about satsang.As far as worship,pooja,prasadam and all othe

rituals are convictions of one's traditions and customs on which v do not have

much deliberate.

Religion as an Institution provides succour to some people in miseries who r not

cares much and have not received attention.

Here the languages of religion is universal.For every one here emphasis is on

" Sat " .Social animal,the man come into play for various purposes and the society

he lives has all things what ever he looks.It is for him,I mean certainly afree

will to express likes or dislikes,agree or disagree.

what is commonly felt is human beings have same kind of issues and would like to

share in some plat form.This platform is religion and is getting regimental.it

is all we reflect through our minds leading to force and persecution.

 

Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

 

--- On Thu, 2/4/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005 wrote:

 

Lilly <tigresslilly2005

Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good

for Foreign Stay??

 

Thursday, February 4, 2010, 11:59 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Asohk Ji,

 

 

 

The beauty of religion is that we all realize this thing called GOD/Spiritual

Energy in our own way.

 

It is deeply personal and we should really not force our beliefs onto others,

don't you think? I mean even if you look within a family you will find a great

spectrum of beliefs, ranging from extreme orthodox to the other tail end of

complete non-believers. And they all still manage to live together in the same

household, peacefully!

 

 

 

Lilly

 

 

 

, PG <darshan261@ ...> wrote:

 

>

 

> Hello there: First of all, I am not well informed in the subject of religion

or spirituality, some thing which has stuck with me regarding the ritual aspects

of Hindu religion ( as I understand them ) is that God has no form ,we elect to

give this energy a shape we are comfortable with , similarly God does not expect

gifts , it is our mortals way of expressing our love ( as tame as it might be)

and through these actions we gain solace ( as temporary or long term as might

be). I seem to relate with shri Rohni Ji ( hope fully I understand his point of

view) that these acts are tokens . The value of these acts is as strong or weak

as in th elong run or faith is. Based solely on the reasoning these acts do not

pass the muster of science as we have learned in schools.

 

> Ashok Goswami

 

>

 

> --- On Thu, 2/4/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote:

 

>

 

> Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...>

 

> Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good

for Foreign Stay??

 

>

 

> Thursday, February 4, 2010, 11:17 PM

 

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> Why we offer PRASADAM to God..Is it that God is hungry and has an appetite

like us...Anapoorna MA took the bold step and offered to give GOD this DAAN (to

give up her vices) when he came to her doorstep before anyone else dared to do

it..

 

>

 

> What are we really loosing when we give this donation/ offering of giving up

our vices??

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> Lilly

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...>

wrote:

 

>

 

> >

 

>

 

> > Perhaps in those Poojas prescribed by our ANCIENTS and the difficult rituals

and what not, a simple TRUTH existed, though HIDDEN?

 

>

 

> >

 

>

 

> > Something the the Psychologists and modern New-Age messiahs tuned into?

 

>

 

> >

 

>

 

> > First be KIND to yourself, and LEARN TO LOVE YOURSELF!

 

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> >

 

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> > A simple evidence and fact?

 

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> >

 

>

 

> > After the POOJA, any POOJA in any RELIGION, who PHYSICALLY consumes the

Prasaadam or the wafer or whatever the chosen token is ...?

 

>

 

> >

 

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> >

 

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> >

 

>

 

> > FIRST LOVE THYSELF -- They ALL stated that again and again, LILLY (and

others too -- who might be listening!) :-)

 

>

 

> >

 

>

 

> > Rohiniranjan

 

>

 

> >

 

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> >

 

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> >

 

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> >

 

>

 

> > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

wrote:

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > It is v who do all rituals but careless to DAATA and finally DEVATA

to.They need naivedyam and arati to please.They do not ask but realisation that

is what sages d.

 

>

 

> > > Might be our own shortsighted conceptions.

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.

B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > --- On Thu, 2/4/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ >

 

>

 

> > > Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house::

good for Foreign Stay??

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > Thursday, February 4, 2010, 9:55 PM

 

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> > > BY definition DEV-TA is someone who only " GIVES " ( DAATA),and expects

nothing in return! Only someone who's belly is completely full to max can give

selflessly and be a complete donor to mankind.

 

>

 

> > >

 

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>

 

> > > Lilly

 

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> > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@

....> wrote:

 

>

 

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> > >

 

>

 

> > > > I do not necessarily separate those convenient categorizations of

entities, Lilly. We human beings are excellent and compulsive classifiers who

tend to categorize reality and parcel it into wonderful and convincing little

packets. Jyotish is no different either -- nor is science of course.. And how

else can human beings learn without breaking the Reality into parts, BUT

thereafter we must reconstitute it back -- at least mentally and conceptually.

Like watchmakers, we need to take the watches, many watches apart to learn what

makes those watches tick but once learned, we must strive to put those watches

together. I do not wish to belabour the point, but like they say, each egg has

all that is needed to sustain life, whether as a maternal sac of nourishment or

as an omelette!

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > The egg can sustain the related lifeform within, as well as the

'unrelated' lifeform outside! I am taking poetical license to introduce the

factor of 'relatedness' .

 

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> > >

 

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>

 

> > > > Absolutely loving this perpetuum mobile chat with you -- dear soul, but

need to go and continue to put some watches back together or I would not be able

to buy an omelette (figuratively speaking!) ;-)

 

>

 

> > >

 

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> > > > Rohiniranjan

 

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> > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ >

wrote:

 

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> > > > > Phir bhi Manu_shya hi teh na

 

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> > >

 

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> > > > > kahi BHAGWAN, DEVTA, ya PHARISHTA to nahi!

 

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> > > > > Lilly

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

 

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> > > > > > I do not think they were on a 'power-trip' , so it would be unfair

to expect them to have shaken the forest-ful of the Great Unwashed!

 

>

 

> > >

 

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> > > > > >

 

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> > >

 

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> > > > > > A cinema star probably has more power to motivated more people than

a Maharshi or Amma or Paramahamsa, even if for a very short time.

 

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> > >

 

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> > >

 

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> > > > > > That is why gourmet cooking, sweets and desserts are more popular

than a 'satwik' bhojan!

 

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> > > > > > RR

 

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> > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

 

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> > >

 

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> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > All these LIONS made big contribution to our society when we

needed it the most, and have left their legacy behind which is still honored by

many!! So in essence I really have no problem with any of these big

Guru's..There are many who benefited from them and continue to follow there

footsteps..

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > But did these Lions ROAR loud enough to shake the entire JUNGLE ?

 

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> > > > > > > Lilly

 

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> > >

 

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> > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

 

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> > >

 

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> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > Lilly -- are you implying that Vivekananda or Yogananda or MMY

or Rajneesh were all not SERIOUS or SINCERE and came to the WEST under their own

Volitional STEAM? :-)

 

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> > >

 

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> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > I will leave the RAMAN and RAO out of this for the time being

and begin at the beginning! Step by Step can we all embark on the journey of

thousand steps!

 

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> > > > > > > > RR_,

 

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> > > > > > > >

 

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> > >

 

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> > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

 

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> > >

 

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> > > > > > > > >

 

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> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > " Goods " been sitting on the CLEARANCE rack at 70% off...Just

waitin' to be taken by the right buyer and finds out there is a new buyer in

town..The buyer has come in a disguise(only the ones with a keen eye recognize

him!) as a foreigner and he is hear to take those interested to a FOREIGN LAND..

He says he is here to make an offer, the a best deal at a WHOLE SALE price, and

ready to buy the entire stock, which will eventually put the SHARE market, and

the BULL'S market to a shame!

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > Such an offer some can't resist, and he swears no hidden cost

involved!! The asking price is - Give your heart, mind, and soul, and in return

you will get everything you ever wanted!! What a deal he's making!! So who is

ready to gamble it all?

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > I know the PANDAV BROTHERS did it! I am sure we can do it

also, if we have the courage!!

 

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> > >

 

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> > > > > > > > > Lilly

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

 

>

 

> > >

 

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> > > > > > > > > >

 

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> > >

 

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> > > > > > > > > > I can only offer to others unmolested juicy oranges. They

are supposed to learn by doing how to squeeze the juice, Shenoy_jee :-)

 

>

 

> > >

 

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> > > > > > > > > >

 

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> > >

 

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> > > > > > > > > > RR_,

 

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> > >

 

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> > > > > > > > > >

 

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> > >

 

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> > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

 

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> > > > > > > > > > >

 

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> > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,

 

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> > >

 

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> > > > > > > > > > >

 

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> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > > //One has got to look at each of those who showed up for

the PARTY//

 

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> > > > > > > > > > >  

 

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> > >

 

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> > > > > > > > > > > What Rohini ji has stated (above) is the essence of

Ashtavarga.

 

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> > >

 

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> > > > > > > > > > >

 

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> > >

 

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> > > > > > > > > > > The problems is rohini ji  writes in

riddles (a student of astrology is supposed to have a strong mercury).

 

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> > >

 

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> > >

 

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> > > > > > > > > > > In simple terms look at which planets are contributing

(and which do not) to those points.

 

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> > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

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> > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

 

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> > >

 

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> > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

 

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> > >

 

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>

 

> > > > > > > > > > > Tue, February 2, 2010 7:13:11 PM

 

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> > >

 

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> > > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga

points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay??

 

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> > > > > > > > > > > Dear friend,

 

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> > > > > > > > > > > Having more bindus in 12th house is good or bad was well

explained with reference to foreign stay..The significance once attached to

foreign stay was to leave your home country and going away from near and dear.It

can also be that you may go awy in the same country due to various reason but

not in a position to involve yourself in the sukh /dukh aspects of kith and kin.

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > > 2.In ashtaka varga system we take into consideration all

planets involved together with PAC etc.In the process the bindus might be more

to feel as stronger house.it's strength lies as moksha bhava under various

circumstances

 

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> > >

 

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> > > > > > > > > > > Both Saturn and Venus being Karaks of 12th house,their

strength too needed to be considered.As all of us know saturn as a master

emphasises  need to devlop by owns efforts and trials.where

as venus a creative planet ..and easy going loves all good and nice things and

comforts.These issues may also influence course of life if more bindus are

noticed in 12H ..

 

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> > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets

While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets

are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

 

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> > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/31/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@

hotmail.com> wrote:

 

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> > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

 

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> > > > > > > > > > > Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points

for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay??

 

>

 

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> > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 31, 2010, 1:06 AM

 

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> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > > Just based on the single factor such as SAV or other

cumulative bottom-line? No!

 

>

 

> > >

 

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> > > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > > Notice that generally when the planets are clustered in a

house, the ashtakavarga of certain houses therefrom tend to have high number of

positive points!

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > > Ashtakavarga is not like a POLL or election where if a

certain cluster is high it immediately promises success! Even if for a term ;-)

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > > I will leave that tiny wrinkle with you! If you press and

iron it well, you may come back with the very answer that you are looking

for...!

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > > For each astrological indicator, please please PLEASE do

not take it in a concrete manner! But really bring out your best faculties and

work at it! AstroLOGIC cannot be learned passively by OSMOSIS!

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > > My apologies if I am rattling your cage of comfort the

wrong way!

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > > Regardless of whether saints or rogues congregate --

Ashtakavarga may not pick on their QUALITATIVE NATUREs! One has got to look at

each of those who showed up for the PARTY!!

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

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> > >

 

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> > > > > > > > > > > PEACE!

 

>

 

> > >

 

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> > > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

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> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > > , " kumar8149 "

<kumar8149@ ..> wrote:

 

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> > >

 

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> > > > > > > > > > >

 

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> > >

 

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> > > > > > > > > > > >

 

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> > > > > > > > > > >

 

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> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > > > Hi

 

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> > >

 

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> > > > > > > > > > > > I read in many articles that having high Ashtaka Varga

points for 12th house, is not desirable. As high points

 

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>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > > > means more expenses and losses. But 12th house also

signifies foreign stay.

 

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> > >

 

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> > >

 

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> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > > > Then, what should we predict for someone who has high

ashtaka varga points in 12th house and is staying in

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

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> > > > > > > > > > >

 

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> > > > > > > > > > > > foreign. Can we predict that foreign stay will be happy

or do we predict that there will be losses??

 

>

 

> > >

 

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> > > > > > > > > > > > Anyways, high ashtaka varga points for 12th house, is

something I noticed in my own chart and I am trying to

 

>

 

> > >

 

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>

 

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> > > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > > > understand if this is good sign or a bad sign, as I am

already living in foreign land.

 

>

 

> > >

 

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> > >

 

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> > >

 

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> > > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > > > Also, let me know how my health would be.

 

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> > >

 

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> > > > > > > > > > > >

 

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> > > > > > > > > > > > My birth details:

 

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> > > > > > > > > > > > DOB: 8th December 1981

 

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> > >

 

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> > > > > > > > > > >

 

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> > >

 

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> > > > > > > > > > > > Time: 3 AM

 

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> > > > > > > > > > >

 

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> > >

 

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> > > > > > > > > > > > Place of Birth: Chennai, Tamil Nadu

 

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> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks

 

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> > > > > > > > > > > > Kumar

 

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--- On Fri, 2/5/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005 wrote:

 

Lilly <tigresslilly2005

Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good

for Foreign Stay??

 

Friday, February 5, 2010, 12:16 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Shuresh Ji, my purpose was not to disrespect or offend anyone..If you feel

my message came across that way then my sincere apology to you and everyone.

 

 

 

Lilly

 

 

 

, " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...>

wrote:

 

>

 

> //Why we offer PRASADAM to God..Is it that God is hungry and has an appetite

like us...//

 

>

 

> Do not overstep into those areas about which you understand very little.

 

>

 

> It is upto to you whether to ramble on every thing or make a real effort to

understand - which is not evident

 

> A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> ____________ _________ _________ __

 

> PG <darshan261@ ...>

 

>

 

> Fri, February 5, 2010 10:13:36 AM

 

> Re: Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house::

good for Foreign Stay??

 

>

 

>  

 

> Hello there: First of all, I am not well informed in the subject of religion

or spirituality, some thing which has stuck with me regarding the ritual aspects

of Hindu religion ( as I understand them ) is that God has no form ,we elect to

give this energy a shape we are comfortable with , similarly God does not expect

gifts , it is our mortals way of expressing our love ( as tame as it might be)

and through these actions we gain solace ( as temporary or long term as might

be). I seem to relate with shri Rohni Ji ( hope fully I understand his point of

view) that these acts are tokens . The value of these acts is as strong or weak

as in th elong run or faith is. Based solely on the reasoning these acts do not

pass the muster of science as we have learned in schools.

 

> Ashok Goswami

 

>

 

> --- On Thu, 2/4/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

 

>

 

> Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ >

 

> Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good

for Foreign Stay??

 

>

 

> Thursday, February 4, 2010, 11:17 PM

 

>

 

>  

 

>

 

> Why we offer PRASADAM to God..Is it that God is hungry and has an appetite

like us...Anapoorna MA took the bold step and offered to give GOD this DAAN (to

give up her vices) when he came to her doorstep before anyone else dared to do

it..

 

>

 

> What are we really loosing when we give this donation/ offering of giving up

our vices??

 

>

 

> Lilly

 

>

 

> , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...>

wrote:

 

>

 

> >

 

>

 

> > Perhaps in those Poojas prescribed by our ANCIENTS and the difficult rituals

and what not, a simple TRUTH existed, though HIDDEN?

 

>

 

> >

 

>

 

> > Something the the Psychologists and modern New-Age messiahs tuned into?

 

>

 

> >

 

>

 

> > First be KIND to yourself, and LEARN TO LOVE YOURSELF!

 

>

 

> >

 

>

 

> > A simple evidence and fact?

 

>

 

> >

 

>

 

> > After the POOJA, any POOJA in any RELIGION, who PHYSICALLY consumes the

Prasaadam or the wafer or whatever the chosen token is ...?

 

>

 

> >

 

>

 

> >

 

>

 

> >

 

>

 

> > FIRST LOVE THYSELF -- They ALL stated that again and again, LILLY (and

others too -- who might be listening!) :-)

 

>

 

> >

 

>

 

> > Rohiniranjan

 

>

 

> >

 

>

 

> >

 

>

 

> >

 

>

 

> >

 

>

 

> >

 

>

 

> > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

wrote:

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > It is v who do all rituals but careless to DAATA and finally DEVATA

to.They need naivedyam and arati to please.They do not ask but realisation that

is what sages d.

 

>

 

> > > Might be our own shortsighted conceptions.

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.

B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > --- On Thu, 2/4/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ >

 

>

 

> > > Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house::

good for Foreign Stay??

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > Thursday, February 4, 2010, 9:55 PM

 

>

 

> > >

 

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>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > BY definition DEV-TA is someone who only " GIVES " ( DAATA),and expects

nothing in return! Only someone who's belly is completely full to max can give

selflessly and be a complete donor to mankind.

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > Lilly

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@

....> wrote:

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > I do not necessarily separate those convenient categorizations of

entities, Lilly. We human beings are excellent and compulsive classifiers who

tend to categorize reality and parcel it into wonderful and convincing little

packets. Jyotish is no different either -- nor is science of course.. And how

else can human beings learn without breaking the Reality into parts, BUT

thereafter we must reconstitute it back -- at least mentally and conceptually.

Like watchmakers, we need to take the watches, many watches apart to learn what

makes those watches tick but once learned, we must strive to put those watches

together. I do not wish to belabour the point, but like they say, each egg has

all that is needed to sustain life, whether as a maternal sac of nourishment or

as an omelette!

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > The egg can sustain the related lifeform within, as well as the

'unrelated' lifeform outside! I am taking poetical license to introduce the

factor of 'relatedness' .

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > Absolutely loving this perpetuum mobile chat with you -- dear soul, but

need to go and continue to put some watches back together or I would not be able

to buy an omelette (figuratively speaking!) ;-)

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > Rohiniranjan

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ >

wrote:

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > Phir bhi Manu_shya hi teh na

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > kahi BHAGWAN, DEVTA, ya PHARISHTA to nahi!

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > >

 

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> > >

 

>

 

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>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > Lilly

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > I do not think they were on a 'power-trip' , so it would be unfair

to expect them to have shaken the forest-ful of the Great Unwashed!

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > A cinema star probably has more power to motivated more people than

a Maharshi or Amma or Paramahamsa, even if for a very short time.

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > That is why gourmet cooking, sweets and desserts are more popular

than a 'satwik' bhojan!

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > RR

 

>

 

> > >

 

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>

 

> > >

 

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> > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > All these LIONS made big contribution to our society when we

needed it the most, and have left their legacy behind which is still honored by

many!! So in essence I really have no problem with any of these big

Guru's..There are many who benefited from them and continue to follow there

footsteps..

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > But did these Lions ROAR loud enough to shake the entire JUNGLE ?

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > Lilly

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > Lilly -- are you implying that Vivekananda or Yogananda or MMY

or Rajneesh were all not SERIOUS or SINCERE and came to the WEST under their own

Volitional STEAM? :-)

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > I will leave the RAMAN and RAO out of this for the time being

and begin at the beginning! Step by Step can we all embark on the journey of

thousand steps!

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > RR_,

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > " Goods " been sitting on the CLEARANCE rack at 70% off...Just

waitin' to be taken by the right buyer and finds out there is a new buyer in

town..The buyer has come in a disguise(only the ones with a keen eye recognize

him!) as a foreigner and he is hear to take those interested to a FOREIGN LAND..

He says he is here to make an offer, the a best deal at a WHOLE SALE price, and

ready to buy the entire stock, which will eventually put the SHARE market, and

the BULL'S market to a shame!

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > Such an offer some can't resist, and he swears no hidden cost

involved!! The asking price is - Give your heart, mind, and soul, and in return

you will get everything you ever wanted!! What a deal he's making!! So who is

ready to gamble it all?

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > I know the PANDAV BROTHERS did it! I am sure we can do it

also, if we have the courage!!

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > Lilly

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > I can only offer to others unmolested juicy oranges. They

are supposed to learn by doing how to squeeze the juice, Shenoy_jee :-)

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > RR_,

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > > //One has got to look at each of those who showed up for

the PARTY//

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > >  

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > > What Rohini ji has stated (above) is the essence of

Ashtavarga.

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > > The problems is rohini ji  writes in

riddles (a student of astrology is supposed to have a strong mercury).

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > > In simple terms look at which planets are contributing

(and which do not) to those points.

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > > Tue, February 2, 2010 7:13:11 PM

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga

points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay??

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > >  

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear friend,

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > > Having more bindus in 12th house is good or bad was well

explained with reference to foreign stay..The significance once attached to

foreign stay was to leave your home country and going away from near and dear.It

can also be that you may go awy in the same country due to various reason but

not in a position to involve yourself in the sukh /dukh aspects of kith and kin.

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > > 2.In ashtaka varga system we take into consideration all

planets involved together with PAC etc.In the process the bindus might be more

to feel as stronger house.it's strength lies as moksha bhava under various

circumstances

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > > Both Saturn and Venus being Karaks of 12th house,their

strength too needed to be considered.As all of us know saturn as a master

emphasises  need to devlop by owns efforts and trials.where

as venus a creative planet ..and easy going loves all good and nice things and

comforts.These issues may also influence course of life if more bindus are

noticed in 12H ..

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets

While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets

are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/31/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@

hotmail.com> wrote:

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > > Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points

for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay??

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 31, 2010, 1:06 AM

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > >  

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > > Just based on the single factor such as SAV or other

cumulative bottom-line? No!

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > > Notice that generally when the planets are clustered in a

house, the ashtakavarga of certain houses therefrom tend to have high number of

positive points!

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > > Ashtakavarga is not like a POLL or election where if a

certain cluster is high it immediately promises success! Even if for a term ;-)

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > > I will leave that tiny wrinkle with you! If you press and

iron it well, you may come back with the very answer that you are looking

for...!

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > > For each astrological indicator, please please PLEASE do

not take it in a concrete manner! But really bring out your best faculties and

work at it! AstroLOGIC cannot be learned passively by OSMOSIS!

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > > My apologies if I am rattling your cage of comfort the

wrong way!

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > > Regardless of whether saints or rogues congregate --

Ashtakavarga may not pick on their QUALITATIVE NATUREs! One has got to look at

each of those who showed up for the PARTY!!

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > > PEACE!

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > > , " kumar8149 "

<kumar8149@ ..> wrote:

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > > > Hi

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > > > I read in many articles that having high Ashtaka Varga

points for 12th house, is not desirable. As high points

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > > > means more expenses and losses. But 12th house also

signifies foreign stay.

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > > > Then, what should we predict for someone who has high

ashtaka varga points in 12th house and is staying in

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > > > foreign. Can we predict that foreign stay will be happy

or do we predict that there will be losses??

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > > > Anyways, high ashtaka varga points for 12th house, is

something I noticed in my own chart and I am trying to

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > > > understand if this is good sign or a bad sign, as I am

already living in foreign land.

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > > > Also, let me know how my health would be.

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > > > My birth details:

 

>

 

> > >

 

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> > > > > > > > > > > >

 

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> > >

 

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> > > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > > > DOB: 8th December 1981

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > > > Time: 3 AM

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > > > Place of Birth: Chennai, Tamil Nadu

 

>

 

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> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks

 

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> > > > > > > > > > > > Kumar

 

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Sir,

“Ek nukte ke farq ne hamein mehram se mujrim bana dala,

 hum dua likhte rahe ...... vo dagaa padhte rahe " . Regards

Kulbir Bains

 

 

 

 

________________________________

rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

 

Thu, 4 February, 2010 8:38:16 PM

Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good

for Foreign Stay??

 

 

I had a very saturnine picky type teacher in primary school who .... anyways let

me not bore you with details! Mme. Arlykatti was very particular about spelling!

Like misspelling their with there could complete change the meaning of what we

wish to convey through language and may even distract them who we are trying to

communicate with -- other humans in that context!

 

Later on when I got interested in the occult, that is exactly what the Mantriks

said! SPELLING is very IMPORTANT in a SPELL!

 

Even pronounciations, some serious purists INSISTed!

 

There is a different alternative too which is the path of the HEART!

Bhaktiyoga!!

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ ....>

wrote:

>

> You really must see the bigger picture in all! Get ready to dive deep into the

depth of Ocean and start picking up all the hidden submerged gems in all of

this.

> These rituals, deva's, worship, scriptures etc. are all but universal and

sublime and symbolically represent something bigger than what meets the eye..The

real Mahabharat is still going on and all of us fighting this KURUSHERTA war

from WITHIN..Our ignorance represented by Dhritrasta, all of us individuals are

Arjuna..The chariot reprsents our bodies, the 5 hoarse represent our 5 vices

senses(sight, smell, taste, anger, greed,lust, attachment etc..)All are right

not effort makers(purusharti' s) that's why we need help from those above..

>

>

> Lilly

>

>

> , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ >

wrote:

> >

> > Perhaps in those Poojas prescribed by our ANCIENTS and the difficult rituals

and what not, a simple TRUTH existed, though HIDDEN?

> >

> > Something the the Psychologists and modern New-Age messiahs tuned into?

> >

> > First be KIND to yourself, and LEARN TO LOVE YOURSELF!

> >

> > A simple evidence and fact?

> >

> > After the POOJA, any POOJA in any RELIGION, who PHYSICALLY consumes the

Prasaadam or the wafer or whatever the chosen token is ...?

> >

> >

> >

> > FIRST LOVE THYSELF -- They ALL stated that again and again, LILLY (and

others too -- who might be listening!) :-)

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > It is v who do all rituals but careless to DAATA and finally DEVATA

to.They need naivedyam and arati to please.They do not ask but realisation that

is what sages d.

> > > Might be our own shortsighted conceptions.

> > >

> > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.

B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are

neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

> > >

> > > --- On Thu, 2/4/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ >

> > > Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house::

good for Foreign Stay??

> > >

> > > Thursday, February 4, 2010, 9:55 PM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >  

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > BY definition DEV-TA is someone who only " GIVES " ( DAATA),and expects

nothing in return! Only someone who's belly is completely full to max can give

selflessly and be a complete donor to mankind.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Lilly

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@

.....> wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > I do not necessarily separate those convenient categorizations of

entities, Lilly. We human beings are excellent and compulsive classifiers who

tend to categorize reality and parcel it into wonderful and convincing little

packets. Jyotish is no different either -- nor is science of course. And how

else can human beings learn without breaking the Reality into parts, BUT

thereafter we must reconstitute it back -- at least mentally and conceptually.

Like watchmakers, we need to take the watches, many watches apart to learn what

makes those watches tick but once learned, we must strive to put those watches

together. I do not wish to belabour the point, but like they say, each egg has

all that is needed to sustain life, whether as a maternal sac of nourishment or

as an omelette!

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > The egg can sustain the related lifeform within, as well as the

'unrelated' lifeform outside! I am taking poetical license to introduce the

factor of 'relatedness' .

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Absolutely loving this perpetuum mobile chat with you -- dear soul, but

need to go and continue to put some watches back together or I would not be able

to buy an omelette (figuratively speaking!) ;-)

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ >

wrote:

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > Phir bhi Manu_shya hi teh na

> > >

> > > > > kahi BHAGWAN, DEVTA, ya PHARISHTA to nahi!

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > Lilly

> > >

> > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > I do not think they were on a 'power-trip' , so it would be unfair

to expect them to have shaken the forest-ful of the Great Unwashed!

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > A cinema star probably has more power to motivated more people than

a Maharshi or Amma or Paramahamsa, even if for a very short time.

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > That is why gourmet cooking, sweets and desserts are more popular

than a 'satwik' bhojan!

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > RR

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > All these LIONS made big contribution to our society when we

needed it the most, and have left their legacy behind which is still honored by

many!! So in essence I really have no problem with any of these big

Guru's..There are many who benefited from them and continue to follow there

footsteps..

> > >

> > > > > > > But did these Lions ROAR loud enough to shake the entire JUNGLE ?

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > Lilly

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > Lilly -- are you implying that Vivekananda or Yogananda or MMY

or Rajneesh were all not SERIOUS or SINCERE and came to the WEST under their own

Volitional STEAM? :-)

> > >

> > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > I will leave the RAMAN and RAO out of this for the time being

and begin at the beginning! Step by Step can we all embark on the journey of

thousand steps!

> > >

> > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > RR_,

> > >

> > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > " Goods " been sitting on the CLEARANCE rack at 70% off..Just

waitin' to be taken by the right buyer and finds out there is a new buyer in

town..The buyer has come in a disguise(only the ones with a keen eye recognize

him!) as a foreigner and he is hear to take those interested to a FOREIGN LAND..

He says he is here to make an offer, the a best deal at a WHOLE SALE price, and

ready to buy the entire stock, which will eventually put the SHARE market, and

the BULL'S market to a shame!

> > >

> > > > > > > > > Such an offer some can't resist, and he swears no hidden cost

involved!! The asking price is - Give your heart, mind, and soul, and in return

you will get everything you ever wanted!! What a deal he's making!! So who is

ready to gamble it all?

> > >

> > > > > > > > > I know the PANDAV BROTHERS did it! I am sure we can do it

also, if we have the courage!!

> > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > >

> > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > I can only offer to others unmolested juicy oranges. They

are supposed to learn by doing how to squeeze the juice, Shenoy_jee :-)

> > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > //One has got to look at each of those who showed up for

the PARTY//

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >  

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > What Rohini ji has stated (above) is the essence of

Ashtavarga.

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > The problems is rohini ji  writes in riddles (a

student of astrology is supposed to have a strong mercury).

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > In simple terms look at which planets are contributing

(and which do not) to those points.

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Tue, February 2, 2010 7:13:11 PM

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga

points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay??

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >  

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear friend,

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Having more bindus in 12th house is good or bad was well

explained with reference to foreign stay..The significance once attached to

foreign stay was to leave your home country and going away from near and dear.It

can also be that you may go awy in the same country due to various reason but

not in a position to involve yourself in the sukh /dukh aspects of kith and kin.

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 2.In ashtaka varga system we take into consideration all

planets involved together with PAC etc.In the process the bindus might be more

to feel as stronger house.it's strength lies as moksha bhava under various

circumstances

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Both Saturn and Venus being Karaks of 12th house,their

strength too needed to be considered.As all of us know saturn as a master

emphasises  need to devlop by owns efforts and trials.where as venus a

creative planet .and easy going loves all good and nice things and

comforts..These issues may also influence course of life if more bindus are

noticed in 12H ..

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr. B..V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can

Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/31/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@

hotmail.com> wrote:

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points

for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay??

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 31, 2010, 1:06 AM

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >  

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Just based on the single factor such as SAV or other

cumulative bottom-line? No!

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Notice that generally when the planets are clustered in a

house, the ashtakavarga of certain houses therefrom tend to have high number of

positive points!

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Ashtakavarga is not like a POLL or election where if a

certain cluster is high it immediately promises success! Even if for a term ;-)

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I will leave that tiny wrinkle with you! If you press and

iron it well, you may come back with the very answer that you are looking

for...!

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > For each astrological indicator, please please PLEASE do

not take it in a concrete manner! But really bring out your best faculties and

work at it! AstroLOGIC cannot be learned passively by OSMOSIS!

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > My apologies if I am rattling your cage of comfort the

wrong way!

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regardless of whether saints or rogues congregate --

Ashtakavarga may not pick on their QUALITATIVE NATUREs! One has got to look at

each of those who showed up for the PARTY!!

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > PEACE!

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , " kumar8149 "

<kumar8149@ ..> wrote:

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Hi

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I read in many articles that having high Ashtaka Varga

points for 12th house, is not desirable. As high points

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > means more expenses and losses. But 12th house also

signifies foreign stay.

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Then, what should we predict for someone who has high

ashtaka varga points in 12th house and is staying in

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > foreign. Can we predict that foreign stay will be happy

or do we predict that there will be losses??

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Anyways, high ashtaka varga points for 12th house, is

something I noticed in my own chart and I am trying to

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > understand if this is good sign or a bad sign, as I am

already living in foreign land.

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Also, let me know how my health would be.

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > My birth details:

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > DOB: 8th December 1981

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Time: 3 AM

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Place of Birth: Chennai, Tamil Nadu

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Kumar

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

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Sir,

Who ever have stated in what ever way they all have a single objective:Human to

be free from insecurity,confident and able enough to deal environment.

This in a parable way:be Kind to yourself,Love thyself and also I mention

charity begins at home.If we believe in our selves I do not think,we have

Vasudhiava Kutumbam.

Ancients r not evolved they had difficult practices and moderns certainly

deserve higher niche(?).

 

Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

 

--- On Thu, 2/4/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote:

 

rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good

for Foreign Stay??

 

Thursday, February 4, 2010, 10:29 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Perhaps in those Poojas prescribed by our ANCIENTS and the difficult

rituals and what not, a simple TRUTH existed, though HIDDEN?

 

 

 

Something the the Psychologists and modern New-Age messiahs tuned into?

 

 

 

First be KIND to yourself, and LEARN TO LOVE YOURSELF!

 

 

 

A simple evidence and fact?

 

 

 

After the POOJA, any POOJA in any RELIGION, who PHYSICALLY consumes the

Prasaadam or the wafer or whatever the chosen token is ...?

 

 

 

FIRST LOVE THYSELF -- They ALL stated that again and again, LILLY (and others

too -- who might be listening!) :-)

 

 

 

Rohiniranjan

 

 

 

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ...>

wrote:

 

>

 

> It is v who do all rituals but careless to DAATA and finally DEVATA to..They

need naivedyam and arati to please.They do not ask but realisation that is what

sages d.

 

> Might be our own shortsighted conceptions.

 

>

 

> Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.

B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are

neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

 

>

 

> --- On Thu, 2/4/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote:

 

>

 

> Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...>

 

> Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good

for Foreign Stay??

 

>

 

> Thursday, February 4, 2010, 9:55 PM

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>  

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> BY definition DEV-TA is someone who only " GIVES " ( DAATA),and expects

nothing in return! Only someone who's belly is completely full to max can give

selflessly and be a complete donor to mankind.

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> Lilly

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...>

wrote:

 

>

 

> >

 

>

 

> > I do not necessarily separate those convenient categorizations of entities,

Lilly. We human beings are excellent and compulsive classifiers who tend to

categorize reality and parcel it into wonderful and convincing little packets.

Jyotish is no different either -- nor is science of course. And how else can

human beings learn without breaking the Reality into parts, BUT thereafter we

must reconstitute it back -- at least mentally and conceptually. Like

watchmakers, we need to take the watches, many watches apart to learn what makes

those watches tick but once learned, we must strive to put those watches

together. I do not wish to belabour the point, but like they say, each egg has

all that is needed to sustain life, whether as a maternal sac of nourishment or

as an omelette!

 

>

 

> >

 

>

 

> > The egg can sustain the related lifeform within, as well as the 'unrelated'

lifeform outside! I am taking poetical license to introduce the factor of

'relatedness' .

 

>

 

> >

 

>

 

> > Absolutely loving this perpetuum mobile chat with you -- dear soul, but need

to go and continue to put some watches back together or I would not be able to

buy an omelette (figuratively speaking!) ;-)

 

>

 

> >

 

>

 

> > Rohiniranjan

 

>

 

> >

 

>

 

> >

 

>

 

> >

 

>

 

> > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ >

wrote:

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > Phir bhi Manu_shya hi teh na

 

>

 

> > > kahi BHAGWAN, DEVTA, ya PHARISHTA to nahi!

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > Lilly

 

>

 

> > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@

> wrote:

 

>

 

> > > >

 

>

 

> > > > I do not think they were on a 'power-trip' , so it would be unfair to

expect them to have shaken the forest-ful of the Great Unwashed!

 

>

 

> > > >

 

>

 

> > > > A cinema star probably has more power to motivated more people than a

Maharshi or Amma or Paramahamsa, even if for a very short time.

 

>

 

> > > >

 

>

 

> > > > That is why gourmet cooking, sweets and desserts are more popular than a

'satwik' bhojan!

 

>

 

> > > >

 

>

 

> > > > RR

 

>

 

> > > >

 

>

 

> > > >

 

>

 

> > > >

 

>

 

> > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ >

wrote:

 

>

 

> > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > All these LIONS made big contribution to our society when we needed it

the most, and have left their legacy behind which is still honored by many!! So

in essence I really have no problem with any of these big Guru's..There are many

who benefited from them and continue to follow there footsteps..

 

>

 

> > > > > But did these Lions ROAR loud enough to shake the entire JUNGLE ?

 

>

 

> > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > Lilly

 

>

 

> > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

 

>

 

> > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > Lilly -- are you implying that Vivekananda or Yogananda or MMY or

Rajneesh were all not SERIOUS or SINCERE and came to the WEST under their own

Volitional STEAM? :-)

 

>

 

> > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > I will leave the RAMAN and RAO out of this for the time being and

begin at the beginning! Step by Step can we all embark on the journey of

thousand steps!

 

>

 

> > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > RR_,

 

>

 

> > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

 

>

 

> > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > " Goods " been sitting on the CLEARANCE rack at 70% off..Just

waitin' to be taken by the right buyer and finds out there is a new buyer in

town..The buyer has come in a disguise(only the ones with a keen eye recognize

him!) as a foreigner and he is hear to take those interested to a FOREIGN LAND..

He says he is here to make an offer, the a best deal at a WHOLE SALE price, and

ready to buy the entire stock, which will eventually put the SHARE market, and

the BULL'S market to a shame!

 

>

 

> > > > > > > Such an offer some can't resist, and he swears no hidden cost

involved!! The asking price is - Give your heart, mind, and soul, and in return

you will get everything you ever wanted!! What a deal he's making!! So who is

ready to gamble it all?

 

>

 

> > > > > > > I know the PANDAV BROTHERS did it! I am sure we can do it also, if

we have the courage!!

 

>

 

> > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > Lilly

 

>

 

> > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

 

>

 

> > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > I can only offer to others unmolested juicy oranges. They are

supposed to learn by doing how to squeeze the juice, Shenoy_jee :-)

 

>

 

> > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > RR_,

 

>

 

> > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > Dear All,

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > //One has got to look at each of those who showed up for the

PARTY//

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >  

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > What Rohini ji has stated (above) is the essence of

Ashtavarga.

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > The problems is rohini ji  writes in riddles (a

student of astrology is supposed to have a strong mercury).

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > In simple terms look at which planets are contributing (and

which do not) to those points.

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > Tue, February 2, 2010 7:13:11 PM

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points

for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay??

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >  

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > Dear friend,

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > Having more bindus in 12th house is good or bad was well

explained with reference to foreign stay..The significance once attached to

foreign stay was to leave your home country and going away from near and dear.It

can also be that you may go awy in the same country due to various reason but

not in a position to involve yourself in the sukh /dukh aspects of kith and kin.

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > 2.In ashtaka varga system we take into consideration all

planets involved together with PAC etc.In the process the bindus might be more

to feel as stronger house.it's strength lies as moksha bhava under various

circumstances

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > Both Saturn and Venus being Karaks of 12th house,their

strength too needed to be considered.As all of us know saturn as a master

emphasises  need to devlop by owns efforts and trials.where as venus a

creative planet .and easy going loves all good and nice things and

comforts.These issues may also influence course of life if more bindus are

noticed in 12H ..

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can

Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/31/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

wrote:

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for

12th house:: good for Foreign Stay??

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 31, 2010, 1:06 AM

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >  

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > Just based on the single factor such as SAV or other

cumulative bottom-line? No!

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > Notice that generally when the planets are clustered in a

house, the ashtakavarga of certain houses therefrom tend to have high number of

positive points!

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > Ashtakavarga is not like a POLL or election where if a certain

cluster is high it immediately promises success! Even if for a term ;-)

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > I will leave that tiny wrinkle with you! If you press and iron

it well, you may come back with the very answer that you are looking for...!

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > For each astrological indicator, please please PLEASE do not

take it in a concrete manner! But really bring out your best faculties and work

at it! AstroLOGIC cannot be learned passively by OSMOSIS!

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > My apologies if I am rattling your cage of comfort the wrong

way!

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > Regardless of whether saints or rogues congregate --

Ashtakavarga may not pick on their QUALITATIVE NATUREs! One has got to look at

each of those who showed up for the PARTY!!

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > PEACE!

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > , " kumar8149 "

<kumar8149@ ..> wrote:

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > Hi

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > I read in many articles that having high Ashtaka Varga

points for 12th house, is not desirable. As high points

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > means more expenses and losses. But 12th house also

signifies foreign stay.

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > Then, what should we predict for someone who has high

ashtaka varga points in 12th house and is staying in

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > foreign. Can we predict that foreign stay will be happy or

do we predict that there will be losses??

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > Anyways, high ashtaka varga points for 12th house, is

something I noticed in my own chart and I am trying to

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > understand if this is good sign or a bad sign, as I am

already living in foreign land.

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > Also, let me know how my health would be.

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > My birth details:

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > DOB: 8th December 1981

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > Time: 3 AM

 

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Iam sure such apprehensions have any base.why at all' fighting this //KURUSHERTA

war from WITHIN// and make those gallant pronouncement and universalize?

Mahabharat was brought between two person having trust on each other as a

story?we have appreciation as v regard them?

 

Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

 

--- On Thu, 2/4/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote:

 

rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good

for Foreign Stay??

 

Thursday, February 4, 2010, 11:38 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I had a very saturnine picky type teacher in primary school who ...

anyways let me not bore you with details! Mme. Arlykatti was very particular

about spelling! Like misspelling their with there could complete change the

meaning of what we wish to convey through language and may even distract them

who we are trying to communicate with -- other humans in that context!

 

 

 

Later on when I got interested in the occult, that is exactly what the Mantriks

said! SPELLING is very IMPORTANT in a SPELL!

 

 

 

Even pronounciations, some serious purists INSISTed!

 

 

 

There is a different alternative too which is the path of the HEART!

Bhaktiyoga!!

 

 

 

Rohiniranjan

 

 

 

, " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ ....>

wrote:

 

>

 

> You really must see the bigger picture in all! Get ready to dive deep into the

depth of Ocean and start picking up all the hidden submerged gems in all of

this.

 

> These rituals, deva's, worship, scriptures etc. are all but universal and

sublime and symbolically represent something bigger than what meets the eye..The

real Mahabharat is still going on and all of us fighting this KURUSHERTA war

from WITHIN..Our ignorance represented by Dhritrasta, all of us individuals are

Arjuna..The chariot reprsents our bodies, the 5 hoarse represent our 5 vices

senses(sight, smell, taste, anger, greed,lust, attachment etc..)All are right

not effort makers(purusharti' s) that's why we need help from those above..

 

>

 

>

 

> Lilly

 

>

 

>

 

> , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ >

wrote:

 

> >

 

> > Perhaps in those Poojas prescribed by our ANCIENTS and the difficult rituals

and what not, a simple TRUTH existed, though HIDDEN?

 

> >

 

> > Something the the Psychologists and modern New-Age messiahs tuned into?

 

> >

 

> > First be KIND to yourself, and LEARN TO LOVE YOURSELF!

 

> >

 

> > A simple evidence and fact?

 

> >

 

> > After the POOJA, any POOJA in any RELIGION, who PHYSICALLY consumes the

Prasaadam or the wafer or whatever the chosen token is ...?

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> > FIRST LOVE THYSELF -- They ALL stated that again and again, LILLY (and

others too -- who might be listening!) :-)

 

> >

 

> > Rohiniranjan

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

wrote:

 

> > >

 

> > > It is v who do all rituals but careless to DAATA and finally DEVATA

to.They need naivedyam and arati to please.They do not ask but realisation that

is what sages d.

 

> > > Might be our own shortsighted conceptions.

 

> > >

 

> > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.

B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are

neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

 

> > >

 

> > > --- On Thu, 2/4/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

 

> > >

 

> > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ >

 

> > > Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house::

good for Foreign Stay??

 

> > >

 

> > > Thursday, February 4, 2010, 9:55 PM

 

> > >

 

> > >

 

> > >

 

> > >

 

> > >

 

> > >

 

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> > >  

 

> > >

 

> > >

 

> > >

 

> > >

 

> > >

 

> > >

 

> > >

 

> > >

 

> > >

 

> > > BY definition DEV-TA is someone who only " GIVES " ( DAATA),and expects

nothing in return! Only someone who's belly is completely full to max can give

selflessly and be a complete donor to mankind.

 

> > >

 

> > >

 

> > >

 

> > > Lilly

 

> > >

 

> > >

 

> > >

 

> > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@

....> wrote:

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > I do not necessarily separate those convenient categorizations of

entities, Lilly. We human beings are excellent and compulsive classifiers who

tend to categorize reality and parcel it into wonderful and convincing little

packets. Jyotish is no different either -- nor is science of course.. And how

else can human beings learn without breaking the Reality into parts, BUT

thereafter we must reconstitute it back -- at least mentally and conceptually.

Like watchmakers, we need to take the watches, many watches apart to learn what

makes those watches tick but once learned, we must strive to put those watches

together. I do not wish to belabour the point, but like they say, each egg has

all that is needed to sustain life, whether as a maternal sac of nourishment or

as an omelette!

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > The egg can sustain the related lifeform within, as well as the

'unrelated' lifeform outside! I am taking poetical license to introduce the

factor of 'relatedness' .

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > Absolutely loving this perpetuum mobile chat with you -- dear soul, but

need to go and continue to put some watches back together or I would not be able

to buy an omelette (figuratively speaking!) ;-)

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > Rohiniranjan

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ >

wrote:

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > Phir bhi Manu_shya hi teh na

 

> > >

 

> > > > > kahi BHAGWAN, DEVTA, ya PHARISHTA to nahi!

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > Lilly

 

> > >

 

> > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

 

> > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > I do not think they were on a 'power-trip' , so it would be unfair

to expect them to have shaken the forest-ful of the Great Unwashed!

 

> > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > A cinema star probably has more power to motivated more people than

a Maharshi or Amma or Paramahamsa, even if for a very short time.

 

> > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > That is why gourmet cooking, sweets and desserts are more popular

than a 'satwik' bhojan!

 

> > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > RR

 

> > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > All these LIONS made big contribution to our society when we

needed it the most, and have left their legacy behind which is still honored by

many!! So in essence I really have no problem with any of these big

Guru's..There are many who benefited from them and continue to follow there

footsteps..

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > But did these Lions ROAR loud enough to shake the entire JUNGLE ?

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > Lilly

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > Lilly -- are you implying that Vivekananda or Yogananda or MMY

or Rajneesh were all not SERIOUS or SINCERE and came to the WEST under their own

Volitional STEAM? :-)

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > I will leave the RAMAN and RAO out of this for the time being

and begin at the beginning! Step by Step can we all embark on the journey of

thousand steps!

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > RR_,

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > " Goods " been sitting on the CLEARANCE rack at 70% off...Just

waitin' to be taken by the right buyer and finds out there is a new buyer in

town..The buyer has come in a disguise(only the ones with a keen eye recognize

him!) as a foreigner and he is hear to take those interested to a FOREIGN LAND..

He says he is here to make an offer, the a best deal at a WHOLE SALE price, and

ready to buy the entire stock, which will eventually put the SHARE market, and

the BULL'S market to a shame!

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > Such an offer some can't resist, and he swears no hidden cost

involved!! The asking price is - Give your heart, mind, and soul, and in return

you will get everything you ever wanted!! What a deal he's making!! So who is

ready to gamble it all?

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > I know the PANDAV BROTHERS did it! I am sure we can do it

also, if we have the courage!!

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > Lilly

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > I can only offer to others unmolested juicy oranges. They

are supposed to learn by doing how to squeeze the juice, Shenoy_jee :-)

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > RR_,

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > > //One has got to look at each of those who showed up for

the PARTY//

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > >  

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > > What Rohini ji has stated (above) is the essence of

Ashtavarga.

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > > The problems is rohini ji  writes in riddles (a

student of astrology is supposed to have a strong mercury).

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > > In simple terms look at which planets are contributing

(and which do not) to those points.

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > > Tue, February 2, 2010 7:13:11 PM

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga

points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay??

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > >  

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear friend,

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > > Having more bindus in 12th house is good or bad was well

explained with reference to foreign stay..The significance once attached to

foreign stay was to leave your home country and going away from near and dear.It

can also be that you may go awy in the same country due to various reason but

not in a position to involve yourself in the sukh /dukh aspects of kith and kin.

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > > 2.In ashtaka varga system we take into consideration all

planets involved together with PAC etc.In the process the bindus might be more

to feel as stronger house.it's strength lies as moksha bhava under various

circumstances

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > > Both Saturn and Venus being Karaks of 12th house,their

strength too needed to be considered.As all of us know saturn as a master

emphasises  need to devlop by owns efforts and trials.where as venus a

creative planet .and easy going loves all good and nice things and

comforts.These issues may also influence course of life if more bindus are

noticed in 12H ..

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can

Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/31/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@

hotmail.com> wrote:

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > > Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points

for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay??

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 31, 2010, 1:06 AM

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > >  

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > > Just based on the single factor such as SAV or other

cumulative bottom-line? No!

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > > Notice that generally when the planets are clustered in a

house, the ashtakavarga of certain houses therefrom tend to have high number of

positive points!

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > > Ashtakavarga is not like a POLL or election where if a

certain cluster is high it immediately promises success! Even if for a term ;-)

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > > I will leave that tiny wrinkle with you! If you press and

iron it well, you may come back with the very answer that you are looking

for...!

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > > For each astrological indicator, please please PLEASE do

not take it in a concrete manner! But really bring out your best faculties and

work at it! AstroLOGIC cannot be learned passively by OSMOSIS!

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > > My apologies if I am rattling your cage of comfort the

wrong way!

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > > Regardless of whether saints or rogues congregate --

Ashtakavarga may not pick on their QUALITATIVE NATUREs! One has got to look at

each of those who showed up for the PARTY!!

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > > PEACE!

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > > , " kumar8149 "

<kumar8149@ ..> wrote:

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > > > Hi

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > > > I read in many articles that having high Ashtaka Varga

points for 12th house, is not desirable. As high points

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > > > means more expenses and losses. But 12th house also

signifies foreign stay.

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > > > Then, what should we predict for someone who has high

ashtaka varga points in 12th house and is staying in

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > > > foreign. Can we predict that foreign stay will be happy

or do we predict that there will be losses??

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > > > Anyways, high ashtaka varga points for 12th house, is

something I noticed in my own chart and I am trying to

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > > > understand if this is good sign or a bad sign, as I am

already living in foreign land.

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > > > Also, let me know how my health would be.

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > > > My birth details:

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > > > DOB: 8th December 1981

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > > > Time: 3 AM

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > > > Place of Birth: Chennai, Tamil Nadu

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > > > Kumar

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

 

> > >

 

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These r divergent views to be understood in personal ways not that v become

tangent and off the track.

Build massive temples?for what?

what benifits from temple?

You have faith ,you look at them.No faith walk or pass unnoticed?Deva is not

external to you if you want to enhance the scope of your expressions

 

Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

 

--- On Thu, 2/4/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005 wrote:

 

Lilly <tigresslilly2005

Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good

for Foreign Stay??

 

Thursday, February 4, 2010, 10:22 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, it's us humans who perform rituals to please the deities in hopes to

get something in return..We build massive temples for a reason, because we

benefited from them!!

 

But the deva's never expected anything from us.

 

 

 

Lilly

 

 

 

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ...>

wrote:

 

>

 

> It is v who do all rituals but careless to DAATA and finally DEVATA to..They

need naivedyam and arati to please.They do not ask but realisation that is what

sages d.

 

> Might be our own shortsighted conceptions.

 

>

 

> Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.

B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are

neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

 

>

 

> --- On Thu, 2/4/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote:

 

>

 

> Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...>

 

> Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good

for Foreign Stay??

 

>

 

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>

 

>

 

> BY definition DEV-TA is someone who only " GIVES " ( DAATA),and expects

nothing in return! Only someone who's belly is completely full to max can give

selflessly and be a complete donor to mankind.

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> Lilly

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...>

wrote:

 

>

 

> >

 

>

 

> > I do not necessarily separate those convenient categorizations of entities,

Lilly. We human beings are excellent and compulsive classifiers who tend to

categorize reality and parcel it into wonderful and convincing little packets.

Jyotish is no different either -- nor is science of course. And how else can

human beings learn without breaking the Reality into parts, BUT thereafter we

must reconstitute it back -- at least mentally and conceptually. Like

watchmakers, we need to take the watches, many watches apart to learn what makes

those watches tick but once learned, we must strive to put those watches

together. I do not wish to belabour the point, but like they say, each egg has

all that is needed to sustain life, whether as a maternal sac of nourishment or

as an omelette!

 

>

 

> >

 

>

 

> > The egg can sustain the related lifeform within, as well as the 'unrelated'

lifeform outside! I am taking poetical license to introduce the factor of

'relatedness' .

 

>

 

> >

 

>

 

> > Absolutely loving this perpetuum mobile chat with you -- dear soul, but need

to go and continue to put some watches back together or I would not be able to

buy an omelette (figuratively speaking!) ;-)

 

>

 

> >

 

>

 

> > Rohiniranjan

 

>

 

> >

 

>

 

> >

 

>

 

> >

 

>

 

> > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ >

wrote:

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > Phir bhi Manu_shya hi teh na

 

>

 

> > > kahi BHAGWAN, DEVTA, ya PHARISHTA to nahi!

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > Lilly

 

>

 

> > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@

> wrote:

 

>

 

> > > >

 

>

 

> > > > I do not think they were on a 'power-trip' , so it would be unfair to

expect them to have shaken the forest-ful of the Great Unwashed!

 

>

 

> > > >

 

>

 

> > > > A cinema star probably has more power to motivated more people than a

Maharshi or Amma or Paramahamsa, even if for a very short time.

 

>

 

> > > >

 

>

 

> > > > That is why gourmet cooking, sweets and desserts are more popular than a

'satwik' bhojan!

 

>

 

> > > >

 

>

 

> > > > RR

 

>

 

> > > >

 

>

 

> > > >

 

>

 

> > > >

 

>

 

> > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ >

wrote:

 

>

 

> > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > All these LIONS made big contribution to our society when we needed it

the most, and have left their legacy behind which is still honored by many!! So

in essence I really have no problem with any of these big Guru's..There are many

who benefited from them and continue to follow there footsteps..

 

>

 

> > > > > But did these Lions ROAR loud enough to shake the entire JUNGLE ?

 

>

 

> > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > Lilly

 

>

 

> > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

 

>

 

> > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > Lilly -- are you implying that Vivekananda or Yogananda or MMY or

Rajneesh were all not SERIOUS or SINCERE and came to the WEST under their own

Volitional STEAM? :-)

 

>

 

> > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > I will leave the RAMAN and RAO out of this for the time being and

begin at the beginning! Step by Step can we all embark on the journey of

thousand steps!

 

>

 

> > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > RR_,

 

>

 

> > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

 

>

 

> > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > " Goods " been sitting on the CLEARANCE rack at 70% off..Just

waitin' to be taken by the right buyer and finds out there is a new buyer in

town..The buyer has come in a disguise(only the ones with a keen eye recognize

him!) as a foreigner and he is hear to take those interested to a FOREIGN LAND..

He says he is here to make an offer, the a best deal at a WHOLE SALE price, and

ready to buy the entire stock, which will eventually put the SHARE market, and

the BULL'S market to a shame!

 

>

 

> > > > > > > Such an offer some can't resist, and he swears no hidden cost

involved!! The asking price is - Give your heart, mind, and soul, and in return

you will get everything you ever wanted!! What a deal he's making!! So who is

ready to gamble it all?

 

>

 

> > > > > > > I know the PANDAV BROTHERS did it! I am sure we can do it also, if

we have the courage!!

 

>

 

> > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > Lilly

 

>

 

> > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

 

>

 

> > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > I can only offer to others unmolested juicy oranges. They are

supposed to learn by doing how to squeeze the juice, Shenoy_jee :-)

 

>

 

> > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > RR_,

 

>

 

> > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > Dear All,

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > //One has got to look at each of those who showed up for the

PARTY//

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >  

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > What Rohini ji has stated (above) is the essence of

Ashtavarga.

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > The problems is rohini ji  writes in riddles (a

student of astrology is supposed to have a strong mercury).

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > In simple terms look at which planets are contributing (and

which do not) to those points.

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > Tue, February 2, 2010 7:13:11 PM

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points

for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay??

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >  

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > Dear friend,

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > Having more bindus in 12th house is good or bad was well

explained with reference to foreign stay..The significance once attached to

foreign stay was to leave your home country and going away from near and dear.It

can also be that you may go awy in the same country due to various reason but

not in a position to involve yourself in the sukh /dukh aspects of kith and kin.

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > 2.In ashtaka varga system we take into consideration all

planets involved together with PAC etc.In the process the bindus might be more

to feel as stronger house.it's strength lies as moksha bhava under various

circumstances

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > Both Saturn and Venus being Karaks of 12th house,their

strength too needed to be considered.As all of us know saturn as a master

emphasises  need to devlop by owns efforts and trials.where as venus a

creative planet .and easy going loves all good and nice things and

comforts.These issues may also influence course of life if more bindus are

noticed in 12H ..

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can

Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/31/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

wrote:

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for

12th house:: good for Foreign Stay??

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 31, 2010, 1:06 AM

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >  

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > Just based on the single factor such as SAV or other

cumulative bottom-line? No!

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > Notice that generally when the planets are clustered in a

house, the ashtakavarga of certain houses therefrom tend to have high number of

positive points!

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > Ashtakavarga is not like a POLL or election where if a certain

cluster is high it immediately promises success! Even if for a term ;-)

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > I will leave that tiny wrinkle with you! If you press and iron

it well, you may come back with the very answer that you are looking for...!

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > For each astrological indicator, please please PLEASE do not

take it in a concrete manner! But really bring out your best faculties and work

at it! AstroLOGIC cannot be learned passively by OSMOSIS!

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > My apologies if I am rattling your cage of comfort the wrong

way!

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > Regardless of whether saints or rogues congregate --

Ashtakavarga may not pick on their QUALITATIVE NATUREs! One has got to look at

each of those who showed up for the PARTY!!

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > PEACE!

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > , " kumar8149 "

<kumar8149@ ..> wrote:

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > Hi

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > I read in many articles that having high Ashtaka Varga

points for 12th house, is not desirable. As high points

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > means more expenses and losses. But 12th house also

signifies foreign stay.

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > Then, what should we predict for someone who has high

ashtaka varga points in 12th house and is staying in

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > foreign. Can we predict that foreign stay will be happy or

do we predict that there will be losses??

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > Anyways, high ashtaka varga points for 12th house, is

something I noticed in my own chart and I am trying to

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > understand if this is good sign or a bad sign, as I am

already living in foreign land.

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > Also, let me know how my health would be.

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > My birth details:

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > DOB: 8th December 1981

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > Time: 3 AM

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > Place of Birth: Chennai, Tamil Nadu

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > Thanks

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > Kumar

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

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Read the last sentence in my earlier message. What does it say? :-)

 

, " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005 wrote:

>

> Ahh Bhaktinyoga, sounds too familiar!! But don't you need a heart to practice

that ?

>

>

> Lilly

>

> , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

wrote:

> >

> > I had a very saturnine picky type teacher in primary school who ... anyways

let me not bore you with details! Mme. Arlykatti was very particular about

spelling! Like misspelling their with there could complete change the meaning of

what we wish to convey through language and may even distract them who we are

trying to communicate with -- other humans in that context!

> >

> > Later on when I got interested in the occult, that is exactly what the

Mantriks said! SPELLING is very IMPORTANT in a SPELL!

> >

> > Even pronounciations, some serious purists INSISTed!

> >

> > There is a different alternative too which is the path of the HEART!

Bhaktiyoga!!

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote:

> > >

> > > You really must see the bigger picture in all! Get ready to dive deep into

the depth of Ocean and start picking up all the hidden submerged gems in all of

this.

> > > These rituals, deva's, worship, scriptures etc. are all but universal and

sublime and symbolically represent something bigger than what meets the eye..The

real Mahabharat is still going on and all of us fighting this KURUSHERTA war

from WITHIN..Our ignorance represented by Dhritrasta, all of us individuals are

Arjuna..The chariot reprsents our bodies, the 5 hoarse represent our 5 vices

senses(sight, smell, taste, anger, greed,lust, attachment etc..)All are right

not effort makers(purusharti's) that's why we need help from those above..

> > >

> > >

> > > Lilly

> > >

> > >

> > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Perhaps in those Poojas prescribed by our ANCIENTS and the difficult

rituals and what not, a simple TRUTH existed, though HIDDEN?

> > > >

> > > > Something the the Psychologists and modern New-Age messiahs tuned into?

> > > >

> > > > First be KIND to yourself, and LEARN TO LOVE YOURSELF!

> > > >

> > > > A simple evidence and fact?

> > > >

> > > > After the POOJA, any POOJA in any RELIGION, who PHYSICALLY consumes the

Prasaadam or the wafer or whatever the chosen token is ...?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > FIRST LOVE THYSELF -- They ALL stated that again and again, LILLY (and

others too -- who might be listening!) :-)

> > > >

> > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > It is v who do all rituals but careless to DAATA and finally DEVATA

to.They need naivedyam and arati to please.They do not ask but realisation that

is what sages d.

> > > > > Might be our own shortsighted conceptions.

> > > > >

> > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Thu, 2/4/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@>

> > > > > Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th

house:: good for Foreign Stay??

> > > > >

> > > > > Thursday, February 4, 2010, 9:55 PM

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >  

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > BY definition DEV-TA is someone who only " GIVES " ( DAATA),and

expects nothing in return! Only someone who's belly is completely full to max

can give selflessly and be a complete donor to mankind.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Lilly

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > I do not necessarily separate those convenient categorizations of

entities, Lilly. We human beings are excellent and compulsive classifiers who

tend to categorize reality and parcel it into wonderful and convincing little

packets. Jyotish is no different either -- nor is science of course. And how

else can human beings learn without breaking the Reality into parts, BUT

thereafter we must reconstitute it back -- at least mentally and conceptually.

Like watchmakers, we need to take the watches, many watches apart to learn what

makes those watches tick but once learned, we must strive to put those watches

together. I do not wish to belabour the point, but like they say, each egg has

all that is needed to sustain life, whether as a maternal sac of nourishment or

as an omelette!

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > The egg can sustain the related lifeform within, as well as the

'unrelated' lifeform outside! I am taking poetical license to introduce the

factor of 'relatedness' .

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Absolutely loving this perpetuum mobile chat with you -- dear soul,

but need to go and continue to put some watches back together or I would not be

able to buy an omelette (figuratively speaking!) ;-)

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > Phir bhi Manu_shya hi teh na

> > > > >

> > > > > > > kahi BHAGWAN, DEVTA, ya PHARISHTA to nahi!

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > >

> > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > I do not think they were on a 'power-trip' , so it would be

unfair to expect them to have shaken the forest-ful of the Great Unwashed!

> > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > A cinema star probably has more power to motivated more people

than a Maharshi or Amma or Paramahamsa, even if for a very short time.

> > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > That is why gourmet cooking, sweets and desserts are more

popular than a 'satwik' bhojan!

> > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > All these LIONS made big contribution to our society when we

needed it the most, and have left their legacy behind which is still honored by

many!! So in essence I really have no problem with any of these big

Guru's..There are many who benefited from them and continue to follow there

footsteps..

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > But did these Lions ROAR loud enough to shake the entire

JUNGLE ?

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Lilly -- are you implying that Vivekananda or Yogananda or

MMY or Rajneesh were all not SERIOUS or SINCERE and came to the WEST under their

own Volitional STEAM? :-)

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I will leave the RAMAN and RAO out of this for the time

being and begin at the beginning! Step by Step can we all embark on the journey

of thousand steps!

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > " Goods " been sitting on the CLEARANCE rack at 70%

off..Just waitin' to be taken by the right buyer and finds out there is a new

buyer in town..The buyer has come in a disguise(only the ones with a keen eye

recognize him!) as a foreigner and he is hear to take those interested to a

FOREIGN LAND.. He says he is here to make an offer, the a best deal at a WHOLE

SALE price, and ready to buy the entire stock, which will eventually put the

SHARE market, and the BULL'S market to a shame!

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Such an offer some can't resist, and he swears no hidden

cost involved!! The asking price is - Give your heart, mind, and soul, and in

return you will get everything you ever wanted!! What a deal he's making!! So

who is ready to gamble it all?

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I know the PANDAV BROTHERS did it! I am sure we can do it

also, if we have the courage!!

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I can only offer to others unmolested juicy oranges.

They are supposed to learn by doing how to squeeze the juice, Shenoy_jee :-)

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh

Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > //One has got to look at each of those who showed up

for the PARTY//

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >  

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > What Rohini ji has stated (above) is the essence of

Ashtavarga.

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > The problems is rohini ji  writes in riddles (a

student of astrology is supposed to have a strong mercury).

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > In simple terms look at which planets are contributing

(and which do not) to those points.

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, February 2, 2010 7:13:11 PM

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga

points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay??

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >  

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear friend,

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Having more bindus in 12th house is good or bad was

well explained with reference to foreign stay..The significance once attached to

foreign stay was to leave your home country and going away from near and dear.It

can also be that you may go awy in the same country due to various reason but

not in a position to involve yourself in the sukh /dukh aspects of kith and kin.

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.In ashtaka varga system we take into consideration

all planets involved together with PAC etc.In the process the bindus might be

more to feel as stronger house.it's strength lies as moksha bhava under various

circumstances

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Both Saturn and Venus being Karaks of 12th house,their

strength too needed to be considered.As all of us know saturn as a master

emphasises  need to devlop by owns efforts and trials.where as venus a

creative planet .and easy going loves all good and nice things and

comforts.These issues may also influence course of life if more bindus are

noticed in 12H ..

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all

counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can

Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/31/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@

hotmail.com> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga

points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay??

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 31, 2010, 1:06 AM

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >  

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Just based on the single factor such as SAV or other

cumulative bottom-line? No!

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Notice that generally when the planets are clustered

in a house, the ashtakavarga of certain houses therefrom tend to have high

number of positive points!

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashtakavarga is not like a POLL or election where if a

certain cluster is high it immediately promises success! Even if for a term ;-)

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I will leave that tiny wrinkle with you! If you press

and iron it well, you may come back with the very answer that you are looking

for...!

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > For each astrological indicator, please please PLEASE

do not take it in a concrete manner! But really bring out your best faculties

and work at it! AstroLOGIC cannot be learned passively by OSMOSIS!

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > My apologies if I am rattling your cage of comfort the

wrong way!

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regardless of whether saints or rogues congregate --

Ashtakavarga may not pick on their QUALITATIVE NATUREs! One has got to look at

each of those who showed up for the PARTY!!

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > PEACE!

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > , " kumar8149 "

<kumar8149@ ..> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I read in many articles that having high Ashtaka

Varga points for 12th house, is not desirable. As high points

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > means more expenses and losses. But 12th house also

signifies foreign stay.

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then, what should we predict for someone who has

high ashtaka varga points in 12th house and is staying in

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > foreign. Can we predict that foreign stay will be

happy or do we predict that there will be losses??

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyways, high ashtaka varga points for 12th house,

is something I noticed in my own chart and I am trying to

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand if this is good sign or a bad sign, as I

am already living in foreign land.

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, let me know how my health would be.

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > My birth details:

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > DOB: 8th December 1981

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Time: 3 AM

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Place of Birth: Chennai, Tamil Nadu

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kumar

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

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Lilly,

 

Please read the last sentence in my earlier message! What does it say? :-)

 

It was just a statement made by me for you to take it or leave it and not meant

to be a thread-starter for another perpetuum mobile...!

 

It is not about trines or trigunas or Shivji's Trident either!

 

RR_,

 

, " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005 wrote:

>

> Ah, and don't forget bahkti too relies on a TRI-POD of 1st, 5th, and 9th, a

lot like your AAJ, KAL,and KAAL! The initial stage of Falling in love, then

Staying in love, and eventually Falling out of love..The initial take- off is so

intoxicating when you feel extremely high as you both look into each others

eyes(SATVIC stage), then you both see the same things even if not looking

directly into each others eyes(RAJSIC stage), and after some time you both look

at other things/people(TAMSIC stage).

>

> Lilly

>

> , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

wrote:

> >

> > Read the last sentence in my earlier message. What does it say? :-)

> >

> > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Ahh Bhaktinyoga, sounds too familiar!! But don't you need a heart to

practice that ?

> > >

> > >

> > > Lilly

> > >

> > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > I had a very saturnine picky type teacher in primary school who ...

anyways let me not bore you with details! Mme. Arlykatti was very particular

about spelling! Like misspelling their with there could complete change the

meaning of what we wish to convey through language and may even distract them

who we are trying to communicate with -- other humans in that context!

> > > >

> > > > Later on when I got interested in the occult, that is exactly what the

Mantriks said! SPELLING is very IMPORTANT in a SPELL!

> > > >

> > > > Even pronounciations, some serious purists INSISTed!

> > > >

> > > > There is a different alternative too which is the path of the HEART!

Bhaktiyoga!!

> > > >

> > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > >

> > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > You really must see the bigger picture in all! Get ready to dive deep

into the depth of Ocean and start picking up all the hidden submerged gems in

all of this.

> > > > > These rituals, deva's, worship, scriptures etc. are all but universal

and sublime and symbolically represent something bigger than what meets the

eye..The real Mahabharat is still going on and all of us fighting this

KURUSHERTA war from WITHIN..Our ignorance represented by Dhritrasta, all of us

individuals are Arjuna..The chariot reprsents our bodies, the 5 hoarse represent

our 5 vices senses(sight, smell, taste, anger, greed,lust, attachment etc..)All

are right not effort makers(purusharti's) that's why we need help from those

above..

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Lilly

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Perhaps in those Poojas prescribed by our ANCIENTS and the difficult

rituals and what not, a simple TRUTH existed, though HIDDEN?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Something the the Psychologists and modern New-Age messiahs tuned

into?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > First be KIND to yourself, and LEARN TO LOVE YOURSELF!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > A simple evidence and fact?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > After the POOJA, any POOJA in any RELIGION, who PHYSICALLY consumes

the Prasaadam or the wafer or whatever the chosen token is ...?

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > FIRST LOVE THYSELF -- They ALL stated that again and again, LILLY

(and others too -- who might be listening!) :-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan

<bursar_99@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It is v who do all rituals but careless to DAATA and finally

DEVATA to.They need naivedyam and arati to please.They do not ask but

realisation that is what sages d.

> > > > > > > Might be our own shortsighted conceptions.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- On Thu, 2/4/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@>

> > > > > > > Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th

house:: good for Foreign Stay??

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thursday, February 4, 2010, 9:55 PM

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >  

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > BY definition DEV-TA is someone who only " GIVES " ( DAATA),and

expects nothing in return! Only someone who's belly is completely full to max

can give selflessly and be a complete donor to mankind.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I do not necessarily separate those convenient categorizations

of entities, Lilly. We human beings are excellent and compulsive classifiers who

tend to categorize reality and parcel it into wonderful and convincing little

packets. Jyotish is no different either -- nor is science of course. And how

else can human beings learn without breaking the Reality into parts, BUT

thereafter we must reconstitute it back -- at least mentally and conceptually.

Like watchmakers, we need to take the watches, many watches apart to learn what

makes those watches tick but once learned, we must strive to put those watches

together. I do not wish to belabour the point, but like they say, each egg has

all that is needed to sustain life, whether as a maternal sac of nourishment or

as an omelette!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The egg can sustain the related lifeform within, as well as the

'unrelated' lifeform outside! I am taking poetical license to introduce the

factor of 'relatedness' .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Absolutely loving this perpetuum mobile chat with you -- dear

soul, but need to go and continue to put some watches back together or I would

not be able to buy an omelette (figuratively speaking!) ;-)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Phir bhi Manu_shya hi teh na

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > kahi BHAGWAN, DEVTA, ya PHARISHTA to nahi!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I do not think they were on a 'power-trip' , so it would be

unfair to expect them to have shaken the forest-ful of the Great Unwashed!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > A cinema star probably has more power to motivated more

people than a Maharshi or Amma or Paramahamsa, even if for a very short time.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > That is why gourmet cooking, sweets and desserts are more

popular than a 'satwik' bhojan!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > All these LIONS made big contribution to our society when

we needed it the most, and have left their legacy behind which is still honored

by many!! So in essence I really have no problem with any of these big

Guru's..There are many who benefited from them and continue to follow there

footsteps..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > But did these Lions ROAR loud enough to shake the entire

JUNGLE ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly -- are you implying that Vivekananda or Yogananda

or MMY or Rajneesh were all not SERIOUS or SINCERE and came to the WEST under

their own Volitional STEAM? :-)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I will leave the RAMAN and RAO out of this for the time

being and begin at the beginning! Step by Step can we all embark on the journey

of thousand steps!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > " Goods " been sitting on the CLEARANCE rack at 70%

off..Just waitin' to be taken by the right buyer and finds out there is a new

buyer in town..The buyer has come in a disguise(only the ones with a keen eye

recognize him!) as a foreigner and he is hear to take those interested to a

FOREIGN LAND.. He says he is here to make an offer, the a best deal at a WHOLE

SALE price, and ready to buy the entire stock, which will eventually put the

SHARE market, and the BULL'S market to a shame!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Such an offer some can't resist, and he swears no

hidden cost involved!! The asking price is - Give your heart, mind, and soul,

and in return you will get everything you ever wanted!! What a deal he's

making!! So who is ready to gamble it all?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I know the PANDAV BROTHERS did it! I am sure we can do

it also, if we have the courage!!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

" rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can only offer to others unmolested juicy oranges.

They are supposed to learn by doing how to squeeze the juice, Shenoy_jee :-)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh

Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //One has got to look at each of those who showed

up for the PARTY//

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What Rohini ji has stated (above) is the essence

of Ashtavarga.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The problems is rohini ji  writes in riddles (a

student of astrology is supposed to have a strong mercury).

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In simple terms look at which planets are

contributing (and which do not) to those points.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, February 2, 2010 7:13:11 PM

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Does having High Ashtaka

varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay??

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear friend,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Having more bindus in 12th house is good or bad

was well explained with reference to foreign stay..The significance once

attached to foreign stay was to leave your home country and going away from near

and dear.It can also be that you may go awy in the same country due to various

reason but not in a position to involve yourself in the sukh /dukh aspects of

kith and kin.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.In ashtaka varga system we take into

consideration all planets involved together with PAC etc.In the process the

bindus might be more to feel as stronger house.it's strength lies as moksha

bhava under various circumstances

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Both Saturn and Venus being Karaks of 12th

house,their strength too needed to be considered.As all of us know saturn as a

master emphasises  need to devlop by owns efforts and trials.where as venus a

creative planet .and easy going loves all good and nice things and

comforts.These issues may also influence course of life if more bindus are

noticed in 12H ..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all

counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can

Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/31/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@

hotmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga

points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay??

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 31, 2010, 1:06 AM

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just based on the single factor such as SAV or

other cumulative bottom-line? No!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Notice that generally when the planets are

clustered in a house, the ashtakavarga of certain houses therefrom tend to have

high number of positive points!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashtakavarga is not like a POLL or election where

if a certain cluster is high it immediately promises success! Even if for a term

;-)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will leave that tiny wrinkle with you! If you

press and iron it well, you may come back with the very answer that you are

looking for...!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For each astrological indicator, please please

PLEASE do not take it in a concrete manner! But really bring out your best

faculties and work at it! AstroLOGIC cannot be learned passively by OSMOSIS!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My apologies if I am rattling your cage of comfort

the wrong way!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regardless of whether saints or rogues congregate

-- Ashtakavarga may not pick on their QUALITATIVE NATUREs! One has got to look

at each of those who showed up for the PARTY!!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PEACE!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

" kumar8149 " <kumar8149@ ..> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I read in many articles that having high Ashtaka

Varga points for 12th house, is not desirable. As high points

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > means more expenses and losses. But 12th house

also signifies foreign stay.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then, what should we predict for someone who has

high ashtaka varga points in 12th house and is staying in

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > foreign. Can we predict that foreign stay will

be happy or do we predict that there will be losses??

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyways, high ashtaka varga points for 12th

house, is something I noticed in my own chart and I am trying to

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand if this is good sign or a bad sign,

as I am already living in foreign land.

> > > > > > >

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> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, let me know how my health would be.

> > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My birth details:

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DOB: 8th December 1981

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Time: 3 AM

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Place of Birth: Chennai, Tamil Nadu

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Kulbir Praajee,

 

Maya Sundari teray kitnay roop aur teray kitnay naam...

 

Aankh lagee chand lamhay wahan, yahaan huaa sara kaam tamam!!

 

 

Rohiniranjan

 

PS: Hope it arrives there without the nasty ANDAAs! Browser change karo

bhai-jee! ;-)

 

, Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb wrote:

>

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>  

>

>

>

> Sir,

> “Ek nukte ke farq ne hamein mehram se mujrim bana dala,

>  hum dua likhte rahe ...... vo dagaa padhte rahe " . Regards

> Kulbir Bains

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

>

> Thu, 4 February, 2010 8:38:16 PM

> Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good

for Foreign Stay??

>

>  

> I had a very saturnine picky type teacher in primary school who ... anyways

let me not bore you with details! Mme. Arlykatti was very particular about

spelling! Like misspelling their with there could complete change the meaning of

what we wish to convey through language and may even distract them who we are

trying to communicate with -- other humans in that context!

>

> Later on when I got interested in the occult, that is exactly what the

Mantriks said! SPELLING is very IMPORTANT in a SPELL!

>

> Even pronounciations, some serious purists INSISTed!

>

> There is a different alternative too which is the path of the HEART!

Bhaktiyoga!!

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ ...>

wrote:

> >

> > You really must see the bigger picture in all! Get ready to dive deep into

the depth of Ocean and start picking up all the hidden submerged gems in all of

this.

> > These rituals, deva's, worship, scriptures etc. are all but universal and

sublime and symbolically represent something bigger than what meets the eye..The

real Mahabharat is still going on and all of us fighting this KURUSHERTA war

from WITHIN..Our ignorance represented by Dhritrasta, all of us individuals are

Arjuna..The chariot reprsents our bodies, the 5 hoarse represent our 5 vices

senses(sight, smell, taste, anger, greed,lust, attachment etc..)All are right

not effort makers(purusharti' s) that's why we need help from those above..

> >

> >

> > Lilly

> >

> >

> > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ >

wrote:

> > >

> > > Perhaps in those Poojas prescribed by our ANCIENTS and the difficult

rituals and what not, a simple TRUTH existed, though HIDDEN?

> > >

> > > Something the the Psychologists and modern New-Age messiahs tuned into?

> > >

> > > First be KIND to yourself, and LEARN TO LOVE YOURSELF!

> > >

> > > A simple evidence and fact?

> > >

> > > After the POOJA, any POOJA in any RELIGION, who PHYSICALLY consumes the

Prasaadam or the wafer or whatever the chosen token is ...?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > FIRST LOVE THYSELF -- They ALL stated that again and again, LILLY (and

others too -- who might be listening!) :-)

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > It is v who do all rituals but careless to DAATA and finally DEVATA

to.They need naivedyam and arati to please.They do not ask but realisation that

is what sages d.

> > > > Might be our own shortsighted conceptions.

> > > >

> > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.

B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are

neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

> > > >

> > > > --- On Thu, 2/4/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ >

> > > > Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house::

good for Foreign Stay??

> > > >

> > > > Thursday, February 4, 2010, 9:55 PM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >  

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > BY definition DEV-TA is someone who only " GIVES " ( DAATA),and expects

nothing in return! Only someone who's belly is completely full to max can give

selflessly and be a complete donor to mankind.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Lilly

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > I do not necessarily separate those convenient categorizations of

entities, Lilly. We human beings are excellent and compulsive classifiers who

tend to categorize reality and parcel it into wonderful and convincing little

packets. Jyotish is no different either -- nor is science of course. And how

else can human beings learn without breaking the Reality into parts, BUT

thereafter we must reconstitute it back -- at least mentally and conceptually..

Like watchmakers, we need to take the watches, many watches apart to learn what

makes those watches tick but once learned, we must strive to put those watches

together. I do not wish to belabour the point, but like they say, each egg has

all that is needed to sustain life, whether as a maternal sac of nourishment or

as an omelette!

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > The egg can sustain the related lifeform within, as well as the

'unrelated' lifeform outside! I am taking poetical license to introduce the

factor of 'relatedness' .

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Absolutely loving this perpetuum mobile chat with you -- dear soul,

but need to go and continue to put some watches back together or I would not be

able to buy an omelette (figuratively speaking!) ;-)

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@

> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > Phir bhi Manu_shya hi teh na

> > > >

> > > > > > kahi BHAGWAN, DEVTA, ya PHARISHTA to nahi!

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > Lilly

> > > >

> > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > I do not think they were on a 'power-trip' , so it would be unfair

to expect them to have shaken the forest-ful of the Great Unwashed!

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > A cinema star probably has more power to motivated more people

than a Maharshi or Amma or Paramahamsa, even if for a very short time.

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > That is why gourmet cooking, sweets and desserts are more popular

than a 'satwik' bhojan!

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > All these LIONS made big contribution to our society when we

needed it the most, and have left their legacy behind which is still honored by

many!! So in essence I really have no problem with any of these big

Guru's..There are many who benefited from them and continue to follow there

footsteps..

> > > >

> > > > > > > > But did these Lions ROAR loud enough to shake the entire JUNGLE

?

> > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > Lilly -- are you implying that Vivekananda or Yogananda or MMY

or Rajneesh were all not SERIOUS or SINCERE and came to the WEST under their own

Volitional STEAM? :-)

> > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > I will leave the RAMAN and RAO out of this for the time being

and begin at the beginning! Step by Step can we all embark on the journey of

thousand steps!

> > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > " Goods " been sitting on the CLEARANCE rack at 70% off..Just

waitin' to be taken by the right buyer and finds out there is a new buyer in

town..The buyer has come in a disguise(only the ones with a keen eye recognize

him!) as a foreigner and he is hear to take those interested to a FOREIGN LAND..

He says he is here to make an offer, the a best deal at a WHOLE SALE price, and

ready to buy the entire stock, which will eventually put the SHARE market, and

the BULL'S market to a shame!

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Such an offer some can't resist, and he swears no hidden

cost involved!! The asking price is - Give your heart, mind, and soul, and in

return you will get everything you ever wanted!! What a deal he's making!! So

who is ready to gamble it all?

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I know the PANDAV BROTHERS did it! I am sure we can do it

also, if we have the courage!!

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I can only offer to others unmolested juicy oranges. They

are supposed to learn by doing how to squeeze the juice, Shenoy_jee :-)

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh

Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > //One has got to look at each of those who showed up for

the PARTY//

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >  

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > What Rohini ji has stated (above) is the essence of

Ashtavarga.

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > The problems is rohini ji  writes in riddles (a

student of astrology is supposed to have a strong mercury).

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > In simple terms look at which planets are contributing

(and which do not) to those points.

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, February 2, 2010 7:13:11 PM

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga

points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay??

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >  

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear friend,

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Having more bindus in 12th house is good or bad was well

explained with reference to foreign stay..The significance once attached to

foreign stay was to leave your home country and going away from near and dear.It

can also be that you may go awy in the same country due to various reason but

not in a position to involve yourself in the sukh /dukh aspects of kith and kin.

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 2.In ashtaka varga system we take into consideration all

planets involved together with PAC etc.In the process the bindus might be more

to feel as stronger house.it's strength lies as moksha bhava under various

circumstances

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Both Saturn and Venus being Karaks of 12th house,their

strength too needed to be considered.As all of us know saturn as a master

emphasises  need to devlop by owns efforts and trials.where as venus a

creative planet .and easy going loves all good and nice things and

comforts.These issues may also influence course of life if more bindus are

noticed in 12H ..

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all

counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets

While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers

of Mans Karma 

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/31/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@

hotmail.com> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points

for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay??

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 31, 2010, 1:06 AM

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >  

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Just based on the single factor such as SAV or other

cumulative bottom-line? No!

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Notice that generally when the planets are clustered in

a house, the ashtakavarga of certain houses therefrom tend to have high number

of positive points!

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Ashtakavarga is not like a POLL or election where if a

certain cluster is high it immediately promises success! Even if for a term ;-)

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I will leave that tiny wrinkle with you! If you press

and iron it well, you may come back with the very answer that you are looking

for...!

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > For each astrological indicator, please please PLEASE do

not take it in a concrete manner! But really bring out your best faculties and

work at it! AstroLOGIC cannot be learned passively by OSMOSIS!

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > My apologies if I am rattling your cage of comfort the

wrong way!

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regardless of whether saints or rogues congregate --

Ashtakavarga may not pick on their QUALITATIVE NATUREs! One has got to look at

each of those who showed up for the PARTY!!

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > PEACE!

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > , " kumar8149 "

<kumar8149@ ..> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I read in many articles that having high Ashtaka Varga

points for 12th house, is not desirable. As high points

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > means more expenses and losses. But 12th house also

signifies foreign stay.

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Then, what should we predict for someone who has high

ashtaka varga points in 12th house and is staying in

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > foreign. Can we predict that foreign stay will be

happy or do we predict that there will be losses??

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyways, high ashtaka varga points for 12th house, is

something I noticed in my own chart and I am trying to

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > understand if this is good sign or a bad sign, as I am

already living in foreign land.

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, let me know how my health would be.

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > My birth details:

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > DOB: 8th December 1981

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Time: 3 AM

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Place of Birth: Chennai, Tamil Nadu

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Kumar

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

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It is interesting that you saw that 'sharing' of mine as a Kurukshetra, Dada!

 

Well here is the rest of the confession, publicly shared even if it may come to

hurt me given the abuse I have recently been awarded by this forum and its

regulars etc...:

 

Well you see, Mme. in order to show HER efficiency treated me as a guinea-pig

and forced me to learn to write in SCRIPT form before PRINT form as MOST

children do!

 

Well, in the SCHOOL, her kinder and <less-to-prove-daughter!> was absent one day

and my TEACHER showed up as the SUB!

 

She gave us all a task to copy some text and like the docile student that I was,

I tried to conform with the rest of the class and tried to print letter by

letter as I copied the text. Never having learned how to COPY or PRINT, I was

slower than others and could not finish the task!

 

My " reward " was a smack in the back of my head (the thickest and most protected

part of the human body for several GOOD REASONS!)! Confused, I looked at her and

MY TEACHER said: " I already taught you how to write in SCRIPT! Why were you

trying to PRINT? Letter by letter?

 

What a beautiful lesson given to a child! Though rendered by a tough teacher the

message was very clear and not negative, at all!! :-)

 

Sometimes praises and expectations come confusingly at the same time! Giving us

the opportunities to separate words from emotions, ours and theirs...!

 

Rohiniranjan

 

 

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

>

> Iam sure such apprehensions have any base.why at all' fighting this

//KURUSHERTA war from WITHIN// and make those gallant pronouncement and

universalize?

> Mahabharat was brought between two person having trust on each other as a

story?we have appreciation as v regard them?

>

> Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

>

> --- On Thu, 2/4/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

> Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good

for Foreign Stay??

>

> Thursday, February 4, 2010, 11:38 PM

>

> I had a very saturnine picky type teacher in primary school who ...

anyways let me not bore you with details! Mme. Arlykatti was very particular

about spelling! Like misspelling their with there could complete change the

meaning of what we wish to convey through language and may even distract them

who we are trying to communicate with -- other humans in that context!

> ...

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Dada,

Lot of effort with great artistic skills the Moral Class is being held for quite

some time.Yet the students when not on equal footing,sure the teacher has to

face the furor(back benches).Only option(to my gentle teacher) to opt for latest

class technics.

Educational Technology some times very complex.Dawn of Power Points preferred by

those sishyagan,who are scholastic.

This makes teacher job tough to teach what and to whom in what manner.In th

process the delicate and sensitive student ma'm becomes not easy to handle

leading to internal strife ,if not war//Though rendered by a tough teacher the

message was very clear and not

negative, at all!!//

2.There are very thin lines between psychology.Astrology and Philosophy.If all

happened to be from 12H point of view,the teacher,the student and the rest doubt

will be dumb founded.

 

Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

 

--- On Sat, 2/6/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote:

 

rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good

for Foreign Stay??

 

Saturday, February 6, 2010, 12:10 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It is interesting that you saw that 'sharing' of mine as a Kurukshetra,

Dada!

 

 

 

Well here is the rest of the confession, publicly shared even if it may come to

hurt me given the abuse I have recently been awarded by this forum and its

regulars etc...:

 

 

 

Well you see, Mme. in order to show HER efficiency treated me as a guinea-pig

and forced me to learn to write in SCRIPT form before PRINT form as MOST

children do!

 

 

 

Well, in the SCHOOL, her kinder and <less-to-prove- daughter! > was absent one

day and my TEACHER showed up as the SUB!

 

 

 

She gave us all a task to copy some text and like the docile student that I was,

I tried to conform with the rest of the class and tried to print letter by

letter as I copied the text. Never having learned how to COPY or PRINT, I was

slower than others and could not finish the task!

 

 

 

My " reward " was a smack in the back of my head (the thickest and most protected

part of the human body for several GOOD REASONS!)! Confused, I looked at her and

MY TEACHER said: " I already taught you how to write in SCRIPT! Why were you

trying to PRINT? Letter by letter?

 

 

 

What a beautiful lesson given to a child! Though rendered by a tough teacher the

message was very clear and not negative, at all!! :-)

 

 

 

Sometimes praises and expectations come confusingly at the same time! Giving us

the opportunities to separate words from emotions, ours and theirs....!

 

 

 

Rohiniranjan

 

 

 

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ...>

wrote:

 

>

 

> Iam sure such apprehensions have any base.why at all' fighting this

//KURUSHERTA war from WITHIN// and make those gallant pronouncement and

universalize?

 

> Mahabharat was brought between two person having trust on each other as a

story?we have appreciation as v regard them?

 

>

 

> Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.

B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are

neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

 

>

 

> --- On Thu, 2/4/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

 

>

 

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

 

> Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good

for Foreign Stay??

 

>

 

> Thursday, February 4, 2010, 11:38 PM

 

>

 

> I had a very saturnine picky type teacher in primary school who ....

anyways let me not bore you with details! Mme. Arlykatti was very particular

about spelling! Like misspelling their with there could complete change the

meaning of what we wish to convey through language and may even distract them

who we are trying to communicate with -- other humans in that context!

 

> ...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Thanks!

 

For me, it was biochemistry!

 

Not so much the subject but those who taught it and the spouse who taught us

what amounted to be the normal functioning of the body.

 

Growth, since you ask, happened during the period ruled by Bhargava, under the

control and tutelage of the other two gurus!

 

The third one is not an enemy as many jyotishis make it out to be, but simply a

BLESSING!

 

RR_,

 

 

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

>

> Dada,

> Lot of effort with great artistic skills the Moral Class is being held for

quite some time.Yet the students when not on equal footing,sure the teacher has

to face the furor(back benches).Only option(to my gentle teacher) to opt for

latest class technics.

> Educational Technology some times very complex.Dawn of Power Points preferred

by those sishyagan,who are scholastic.

> This makes teacher job tough to teach what and to whom in what manner.In th

process the delicate and sensitive student ma'm becomes not easy to handle

leading to internal strife ,if not war//Though rendered by a tough teacher the

message was very clear and not

> negative, at all!!//

> 2.There are very thin lines between psychology.Astrology and Philosophy.If all

happened to be from 12H point of view,the teacher,the student and the rest doubt

will be dumb founded.

>

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Dear Krishnan ji,

If one study the vaastu of temples right from boundary to colour/shape of idol

in garbgraha. it personifies a person in meditative state/ shape of chakras.

Bell = Naad.

 Regards

Kulbir Bains

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99

 

Thu, 4 February, 2010 10:41:33 PM

Re: Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house::

good for Foreign Stay??

 

 

These r divergent views to be understood in personal ways not that v become

tangent and off the track.

Build massive temples?for what?

what benifits from temple?

You have faith ,you look at them.No faith walk or pass unnoticed?Deva is not

external to you if you want to enhance the scope of your expressions

 

Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.

B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are

neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

 

--- On Thu, 2/4/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

 

Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ >

Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good

for Foreign Stay??

 

Thursday, February 4, 2010, 10:22 PM

 

 

 

Yes, it's us humans who perform rituals to please the deities in hopes to get

something in return..We build massive temples for a reason, because we benefited

from them!!

 

But the deva's never expected anything from us.

 

Lilly

 

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ...>

wrote:

 

>

 

> It is v who do all rituals but careless to DAATA and finally DEVATA to..They

need naivedyam and arati to please.They do not ask but realisation that is what

sages d.

 

> Might be our own shortsighted conceptions.

 

>

 

> Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.

B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are

neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

 

>

 

> --- On Thu, 2/4/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote:

 

>

 

> Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...>

 

> Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good

for Foreign Stay??

 

>

 

> Thursday, February 4, 2010, 9:55 PM

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>  

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> BY definition DEV-TA is someone who only " GIVES " ( DAATA),and expects nothing

in return! Only someone who's belly is completely full to max can give

selflessly and be a complete donor to mankind.

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> Lilly

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...>

wrote:

 

>

 

> >

 

>

 

> > I do not necessarily separate those convenient categorizations of entities,

Lilly. We human beings are excellent and compulsive classifiers who tend to

categorize reality and parcel it into wonderful and convincing little packets.

Jyotish is no different either -- nor is science of course. And how else can

human beings learn without breaking the Reality into parts, BUT thereafter we

must reconstitute it back -- at least mentally and conceptually. Like

watchmakers, we need to take the watches, many watches apart to learn what makes

those watches tick but once learned, we must strive to put those watches

together. I do not wish to belabour the point, but like they say, each egg has

all that is needed to sustain life, whether as a maternal sac of nourishment or

as an omelette!

 

>

 

> >

 

>

 

> > The egg can sustain the related lifeform within, as well as the 'unrelated'

lifeform outside! I am taking poetical license to introduce the factor of

'relatedness' .

 

>

 

> >

 

>

 

> > Absolutely loving this perpetuum mobile chat with you -- dear soul, but need

to go and continue to put some watches back together or I would not be able to

buy an omelette (figuratively speaking!) ;-)

 

>

 

> >

 

>

 

> > Rohiniranjan

 

>

 

> >

 

>

 

> >

 

>

 

> >

 

>

 

> > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ >

wrote:

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > Phir bhi Manu_shya hi teh na

 

>

 

> > > kahi BHAGWAN, DEVTA, ya PHARISHTA to nahi!

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > Lilly

 

>

 

> > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@

> wrote:

 

>

 

> > > >

 

>

 

> > > > I do not think they were on a 'power-trip' , so it would be unfair to

expect them to have shaken the forest-ful of the Great Unwashed!

 

>

 

> > > >

 

>

 

> > > > A cinema star probably has more power to motivated more people than a

Maharshi or Amma or Paramahamsa, even if for a very short time.

 

>

 

> > > >

 

>

 

> > > > That is why gourmet cooking, sweets and desserts are more popular than a

'satwik' bhojan!

 

>

 

> > > >

 

>

 

> > > > RR

 

>

 

> > > >

 

>

 

> > > >

 

>

 

> > > >

 

>

 

> > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ >

wrote:

 

>

 

> > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > All these LIONS made big contribution to our society when we needed it

the most, and have left their legacy behind which is still honored by many!! So

in essence I really have no problem with any of these big Guru's..There are many

who benefited from them and continue to follow there footsteps..

 

>

 

> > > > > But did these Lions ROAR loud enough to shake the entire JUNGLE ?

 

>

 

> > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > Lilly

 

>

 

> > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

 

>

 

> > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > Lilly -- are you implying that Vivekananda or Yogananda or MMY or

Rajneesh were all not SERIOUS or SINCERE and came to the WEST under their own

Volitional STEAM? :-)

 

>

 

> > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > I will leave the RAMAN and RAO out of this for the time being and

begin at the beginning! Step by Step can we all embark on the journey of

thousand steps!

 

>

 

> > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > RR_,

 

>

 

> > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

 

>

 

> > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > " Goods " been sitting on the CLEARANCE rack at 70% off..Just

waitin' to be taken by the right buyer and finds out there is a new buyer in

town..The buyer has come in a disguise(only the ones with a keen eye recognize

him!) as a foreigner and he is hear to take those interested to a FOREIGN LAND..

He says he is here to make an offer, the a best deal at a WHOLE SALE price, and

ready to buy the entire stock, which will eventually put the SHARE market, and

the BULL'S market to a shame!

 

>

 

> > > > > > > Such an offer some can't resist, and he swears no hidden cost

involved!! The asking price is - Give your heart, mind, and soul, and in return

you will get everything you ever wanted!! What a deal he's making!! So who is

ready to gamble it all?

 

>

 

> > > > > > > I know the PANDAV BROTHERS did it! I am sure we can do it also, if

we have the courage!!

 

>

 

> > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > Lilly

 

>

 

> > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

 

>

 

> > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > I can only offer to others unmolested juicy oranges. They are

supposed to learn by doing how to squeeze the juice, Shenoy_jee :-)

 

>

 

> > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > RR_,

 

>

 

> > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > Dear All,

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > //One has got to look at each of those who showed up for the

PARTY//

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >  

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > What Rohini ji has stated (above) is the essence of

Ashtavarga.

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > The problems is rohini ji  writes in riddles (a

student of astrology is supposed to have a strong mercury).

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > In simple terms look at which planets are contributing (and

which do not) to those points.

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > Tue, February 2, 2010 7:13:11 PM

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points

for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay??

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >  

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > Dear friend,

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > Having more bindus in 12th house is good or bad was well

explained with reference to foreign stay..The significance once attached to

foreign stay was to leave your home country and going away from near and dear.It

can also be that you may go awy in the same country due to various reason but

not in a position to involve yourself in the sukh /dukh aspects of kith and kin.

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > 2.In ashtaka varga system we take into consideration all

planets involved together with PAC etc.In the process the bindus might be more

to feel as stronger house.it's strength lies as moksha bhava under various

circumstances

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > Both Saturn and Venus being Karaks of 12th house,their

strength too needed to be considered.As all of us know saturn as a master

emphasises  need to devlop by owns efforts and trials.where as venus a

creative planet .and easy going loves all good and nice things and

comforts.These issues may also influence course of life if more bindus are

noticed in 12H ..

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can

Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/31/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

wrote:

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for

12th house:: good for Foreign Stay??

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 31, 2010, 1:06 AM

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >  

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > Just based on the single factor such as SAV or other

cumulative bottom-line? No!

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > Notice that generally when the planets are clustered in a

house, the ashtakavarga of certain houses therefrom tend to have high number of

positive points!

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > Ashtakavarga is not like a POLL or election where if a certain

cluster is high it immediately promises success! Even if for a term ;-)

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > I will leave that tiny wrinkle with you! If you press and iron

it well, you may come back with the very answer that you are looking for...!

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > For each astrological indicator, please please PLEASE do not

take it in a concrete manner! But really bring out your best faculties and work

at it! AstroLOGIC cannot be learned passively by OSMOSIS!

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > My apologies if I am rattling your cage of comfort the wrong

way!

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > Regardless of whether saints or rogues congregate --

Ashtakavarga may not pick on their QUALITATIVE NATUREs! One has got to look at

each of those who showed up for the PARTY!!

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > PEACE!

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > , " kumar8149 "

<kumar8149@ ...> wrote:

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > Hi

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > I read in many articles that having high Ashtaka Varga

points for 12th house, is not desirable. As high points

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > means more expenses and losses. But 12th house also

signifies foreign stay.

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > Then, what should we predict for someone who has high

ashtaka varga points in 12th house and is staying in

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > foreign. Can we predict that foreign stay will be happy or

do we predict that there will be losses??

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > Anyways, high ashtaka varga points for 12th house, is

something I noticed in my own chart and I am trying to

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > understand if this is good sign or a bad sign, as I am

already living in foreign land.

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > Also, let me know how my health would be.

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > My birth details:

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > DOB: 8th December 1981

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > Time: 3 AM

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > Place of Birth: Chennai, Tamil Nadu

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > Thanks

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > > Kumar

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > >

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Dear Dada,

It is a very inspirational message as it deals with Biochemistry the unseen but

vital aspect of one and all.

Interaction of the various efforts of Gurus(2Bs) by way of Alchemy that

rejuvenates to hear the chirps of early morning and the potentiality the Nature

holds for every one.There  biochemistry present  in Nature in all living

beings supports the life silently.The combined effort at the command of Bhargava

is to be realised as the steam that ticks the clock . 

Blessings are always a great source of strength.The two other Gurus provide

according to the needs can not assure for the next day tomorrow.This what is

important,the great Guru  teaches how to deal and look forward to acuire

himself on his own efforts and solve the riddle.

 

Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

 

--- On Sat, 2/6/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote:

 

rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good

for Foreign Stay??

 

Saturday, February 6, 2010, 2:11 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks!

 

 

 

For me, it was biochemistry!

 

 

 

Not so much the subject but those who taught it and the spouse who taught us

what amounted to be the normal functioning of the body.

 

 

 

Growth, since you ask, happened during the period ruled by Bhargava, under the

control and tutelage of the other two gurus!

 

 

 

The third one is not an enemy as many jyotishis make it out to be, but simply a

BLESSING!

 

 

 

RR_,

 

 

 

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ...>

wrote:

 

>

 

> Dada,

 

> Lot of effort with great artistic skills the Moral Class is being held for

quite some time.Yet the students when not on equal footing,sure the teacher has

to face the furor(back benches).Only option(to my gentle teacher) to opt for

latest class technics.

 

> Educational Technology some times very complex.Dawn of Power Points preferred

by those sishyagan,who are scholastic.

 

> This makes teacher job tough to teach what and to whom in what manner.In th

process the delicate and sensitive student ma'm becomes not easy to handle

leading to internal strife ,if not war//Though rendered by a tough teacher the

message was very clear and not

 

> negative, at all!!//

 

> 2.There are very thin lines between psychology.Astrolog y and Philosophy.If

all happened to be from 12H point of view,the teacher,the student and the rest

doubt will be dumb founded.

 

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Kulbir ji,

A Eye opener !Wonderful bahi saab.A meaningful way to endorsewhy meditation and

how?why temple and what it is meant for Vast expanse of the universe(thnx to

Viswa Karma?) was put in some order with many things having theoritical base and

personifying the society.v need how ever look back and devote  time to know the

various wonders and their importance.

regards

 

Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

 

--- On Sat, 2/6/10, Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb wrote:

 

Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb

Re: Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house::

good for Foreign Stay??

 

Saturday, February 6, 2010, 6:16 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Krishnan ji,

 

If one study the vaastu of temples right from boundary to colour/shape of idol

in garbgraha. it personifies a person in meditative state/ shape of chakras.

Bell = Naad.

 

 Regards

 

Kulbir Bains

 

 

 

____________ _________ _________ __

 

Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

 

 

 

Thu, 4 February, 2010 10:41:33 PM

 

Re: Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house::

good for Foreign Stay??

 

 

 

 

 

These r divergent views to be understood in personal ways not that v become

tangent and off the track.

 

Build massive temples?for what?

 

what benifits from temple?

 

You have faith ,you look at them.No faith walk or pass unnoticed?Deva is not

external to you if you want to enhance the scope of your expressions

 

 

 

Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.

B..V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are

neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

 

 

 

--- On Thu, 2/4/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

 

 

 

Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ >

 

Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good

for Foreign Stay??

 

 

 

Thursday, February 4, 2010, 10:22 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, it's us humans who perform rituals to please the deities in hopes to get

something in return..We build massive temples for a reason, because we benefited

from them!!

 

 

 

But the deva's never expected anything from us.

 

 

 

Lilly

 

 

 

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ....>

wrote:

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> It is v who do all rituals but careless to DAATA and finally DEVATA to...They

need naivedyam and arati to please.They do not ask but realisation that is what

sages d.

 

 

 

> Might be our own shortsighted conceptions.

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.

B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are

neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> --- On Thu, 2/4/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote:

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...>

 

 

 

> Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good

for Foreign Stay??

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> Thursday, February 4, 2010, 9:55 PM

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

>  

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> BY definition DEV-TA is someone who only " GIVES " ( DAATA),and expects nothing

in return! Only someone who's belly is completely full to max can give

selflessly and be a complete donor to mankind.

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> Lilly

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...>

wrote:

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> >

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> > I do not necessarily separate those convenient categorizations of entities,

Lilly. We human beings are excellent and compulsive classifiers who tend to

categorize reality and parcel it into wonderful and convincing little packets.

Jyotish is no different either -- nor is science of course. And how else can

human beings learn without breaking the Reality into parts, BUT thereafter we

must reconstitute it back -- at least mentally and conceptually. Like

watchmakers, we need to take the watches, many watches apart to learn what makes

those watches tick but once learned, we must strive to put those watches

together. I do not wish to belabour the point, but like they say, each egg has

all that is needed to sustain life, whether as a maternal sac of nourishment or

as an omelette!

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> >

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> > The egg can sustain the related lifeform within, as well as the 'unrelated'

lifeform outside! I am taking poetical license to introduce the factor of

'relatedness' .

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> >

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> > Absolutely loving this perpetuum mobile chat with you -- dear soul, but need

to go and continue to put some watches back together or I would not be able to

buy an omelette (figuratively speaking!) ;-)

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> >

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> > Rohiniranjan

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> >

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> >

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> >

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ >

wrote:

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> > >

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> > > Phir bhi Manu_shya hi teh na

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> > > kahi BHAGWAN, DEVTA, ya PHARISHTA to nahi!

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> > >

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> > >

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> > > Lilly

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@

> wrote:

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> > > >

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> > > > I do not think they were on a 'power-trip' , so it would be unfair to

expect them to have shaken the forest-ful of the Great Unwashed!

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> > > >

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> > > > A cinema star probably has more power to motivated more people than a

Maharshi or Amma or Paramahamsa, even if for a very short time.

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> > > >

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> > > > That is why gourmet cooking, sweets and desserts are more popular than a

'satwik' bhojan!

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> > > >

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> > > > RR

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> > > >

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> > > >

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> > > >

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ >

wrote:

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> > > > >

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> > > > >

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> > > > > All these LIONS made big contribution to our society when we needed it

the most, and have left their legacy behind which is still honored by many!! So

in essence I really have no problem with any of these big Guru's..There are many

who benefited from them and continue to follow there footsteps..

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> > > > > But did these Lions ROAR loud enough to shake the entire JUNGLE ?

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> > > > >

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> > > > > Lilly

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> > > > >

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> > > > > >

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> > > > > > Lilly -- are you implying that Vivekananda or Yogananda or MMY or

Rajneesh were all not SERIOUS or SINCERE and came to the WEST under their own

Volitional STEAM? :-)

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> > > > > >

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> > > > > > I will leave the RAMAN and RAO out of this for the time being and

begin at the beginning! Step by Step can we all embark on the journey of

thousand steps!

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> > > > > >

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> > > > > > RR_,

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> > > > > >

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> > > > > > >

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> > > > > > > " Goods " been sitting on the CLEARANCE rack at 70% off..Just

waitin' to be taken by the right buyer and finds out there is a new buyer in

town..The buyer has come in a disguise(only the ones with a keen eye recognize

him!) as a foreigner and he is hear to take those interested to a FOREIGN LAND..

He says he is here to make an offer, the a best deal at a WHOLE SALE price, and

ready to buy the entire stock, which will eventually put the SHARE market, and

the BULL'S market to a shame!

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> > > > > > > Such an offer some can't resist, and he swears no hidden cost

involved!! The asking price is - Give your heart, mind, and soul, and in return

you will get everything you ever wanted!! What a deal he's making!! So who is

ready to gamble it all?

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> > > > > > > I know the PANDAV BROTHERS did it! I am sure we can do it also, if

we have the courage!!

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> > > > > > >

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> > > > > > > Lilly

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> > > > > > > >

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> > > > > > > > I can only offer to others unmolested juicy oranges. They are

supposed to learn by doing how to squeeze the juice, Shenoy_jee :-)

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> > > > > > > >

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> > > > > > > > RR_,

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> > > > > > > >

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> > > > > > > > > Dear All,

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

 

 

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> > > > > > > > > //One has got to look at each of those who showed up for the

PARTY//

 

 

 

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> > > > > > > > >  

 

 

 

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> > > > > > > > > What Rohini ji has stated (above) is the essence of

Ashtavarga.

 

 

 

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> > > > > > > > >

 

 

 

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> > > > > > > > > The problems is rohini ji  writes in riddles (a

student of astrology is supposed to have a strong mercury).

 

 

 

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> > > > > > > > >

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> > > > > > > > > In simple terms look at which planets are contributing (and

which do not) to those points.

 

 

 

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> > > > > > > > >

 

 

 

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> > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

 

 

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> > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

 

 

 

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> > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

 

 

 

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> > > > > > > > >

 

 

 

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> > > > > > > > > Tue, February 2, 2010 7:13:11 PM

 

 

 

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> > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points

for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay??

 

 

 

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> > > > > > > > >

 

 

 

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> > > > > > > > > Dear friend,

 

 

 

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> > > > > > > > > Having more bindus in 12th house is good or bad was well

explained with reference to foreign stay..The significance once attached to

foreign stay was to leave your home country and going away from near and dear.It

can also be that you may go awy in the same country due to various reason but

not in a position to involve yourself in the sukh /dukh aspects of kith and kin.

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> > > > > > > > > 2.In ashtaka varga system we take into consideration all

planets involved together with PAC etc.In the process the bindus might be more

to feel as stronger house.it's strength lies as moksha bhava under various

circumstances

 

 

 

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> > > > > > > > > Both Saturn and Venus being Karaks of 12th house,their

strength too needed to be considered.As all of us know saturn as a master

emphasises  need to devlop by owns efforts and trials.where as venus a

creative planet .and easy going loves all good and nice things and

comforts.These issues may also influence course of life if more bindus are

noticed in 12H ..

 

 

 

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> > > > > > > > >

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can

Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

 

 

 

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> > > > > > > > >

 

 

 

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> > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/31/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

wrote:

 

 

 

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> > > > > > > > >

 

 

 

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> > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> > > > > > > > > Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for

12th house:: good for Foreign Stay??

 

 

 

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> > > > > > > > >

 

 

 

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> > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 31, 2010, 1:06 AM

 

 

 

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> > > > > > > > >

 

 

 

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> > > > > > > > >  

 

 

 

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> > > > > > > > >

 

 

 

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> > > > > > > > > Just based on the single factor such as SAV or other

cumulative bottom-line? No!

 

 

 

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> > > > > > > > >

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> > > > > > > > > Notice that generally when the planets are clustered in a

house, the ashtakavarga of certain houses therefrom tend to have high number of

positive points!

 

 

 

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> > > > > > > > >

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> > > > > > > > > Ashtakavarga is not like a POLL or election where if a certain

cluster is high it immediately promises success! Even if for a term ;-)

 

 

 

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> > > > > > > > >

 

 

 

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> > > > > > > > > I will leave that tiny wrinkle with you! If you press and iron

it well, you may come back with the very answer that you are looking for...!

 

 

 

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> > > > > > > > >

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> > > > > > > > > For each astrological indicator, please please PLEASE do not

take it in a concrete manner! But really bring out your best faculties and work

at it! AstroLOGIC cannot be learned passively by OSMOSIS!

 

 

 

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> > > > > > > > >

 

 

 

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> > > > > > > > > My apologies if I am rattling your cage of comfort the wrong

way!

 

 

 

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> > > > > > > > >

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> > > > > > > > > Regardless of whether saints or rogues congregate --

Ashtakavarga may not pick on their QUALITATIVE NATUREs! One has got to look at

each of those who showed up for the PARTY!!

 

 

 

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> > > > > > > > >

 

 

 

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> > > > > > > > > PEACE!

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

 

 

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> > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

 

 

 

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> > > > > > > > >

 

 

 

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> > > > > > > > > , " kumar8149 "

<kumar8149@ ...> wrote:

 

 

 

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> > > > > > > > >

 

 

 

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> > > > > > > > > >

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> > > > > > > > > > Hi

 

 

 

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> > > > > > > > >

 

 

 

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> > > > > > > > > >

 

 

 

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> > > > > > > > > > I read in many articles that having high Ashtaka Varga

points for 12th house, is not desirable. As high points

 

 

 

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> > > > > > > > > >

 

 

 

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> > > > > > > > >

 

 

 

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> > > > > > > > > > means more expenses and losses. But 12th house also

signifies foreign stay.

 

 

 

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> > > > > > > > >

 

 

 

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> > > > > > > > > >

 

 

 

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> > > > > > > > >

 

 

 

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> > > > > > > > > > Then, what should we predict for someone who has high

ashtaka varga points in 12th house and is staying in

 

 

 

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> > > > > > > > >

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

 

 

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> > > > > > > > >

 

 

 

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> > > > > > > > > > foreign. Can we predict that foreign stay will be happy or

do we predict that there will be losses??

 

 

 

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> > > > > > > > >

 

 

 

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> > > > > > > > > >

 

 

 

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> > > > > > > > >

 

 

 

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> > > > > > > > > > Anyways, high ashtaka varga points for 12th house, is

something I noticed in my own chart and I am trying to

 

 

 

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> > > > > > > > >

 

 

 

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> > > > > > > > > >

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

 

 

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> > > > > > > > > > understand if this is good sign or a bad sign, as I am

already living in foreign land.

 

 

 

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> > > > > > > > >

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

 

 

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> > > > > > > > > > Also, let me know how my health would be.

 

 

 

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> > > > > > > > >

 

 

 

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> > > > > > > > > >

 

 

 

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> > > > > > > > >

 

 

 

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> > > > > > > > > > My birth details:

 

 

 

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> > > > > > > > > >

 

 

 

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> > > > > > > > >

 

 

 

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> > > > > > > > > > DOB: 8th December 1981

 

 

 

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> > > > > > > > >

 

 

 

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> > > > > > > > > > Time: 3 AM

 

 

 

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> > > > > > > > >

 

 

 

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> > > > > > > > > > Place of Birth: Chennai, Tamil Nadu

 

 

 

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> > > > > > > > >

 

 

 

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> > > > > > > > > >

 

 

 

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> > > > > > > > >

 

 

 

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> > > > > > > > > > Thanks

 

 

 

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> > > > > > > > > >

 

 

 

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> > > > > > > > >

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> > > > > > > > > > Kumar

 

 

 

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> > > > > > > > >

 

 

 

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> > > > > > > > >

 

 

 

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> > > > > > > > >

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