Guest guest Posted October 12, 2009 Report Share Posted October 12, 2009 Varga Charts are one of the oldest creations and those are separate charts and it came in existence at same time when Rashi chart came….. 1) Greeks came to India in 3'rd BCE with Egyptians thinking as their interactions were older then Indians... 2) Egyptians were using 36 parts around the ecliptic (Not exactly there was ecliptic concept)and all parts had deities and those parts were known as Decante or one may say Drekkanna (This is at least 4000 yrs older astronomical fact of Egyptians).. ..If I am liar plz read that Drekkana also use to have deities…. 3) Indians were using 12 parts around ecliptic (not exactly around on ecliptic as there was no ecliptic concept in ancient time) as clear from VEDAS verses... 4) Greeks and Babylonians created constellation in the name of Rashis in 4'th Century BCE sorry Vice-Versa.. . 5) Now with attacks of Alexander on India (In 3'rd Cent BCE), things started flowing to India or one may say 4-5 civilization got mixed up and and real astrology started caming in existence which we know now days around the world… Mathematics used in Suryasidhanta is of Indian origin but certainly views to get calculated things to erect astrology is certainly mixture of 4-5 civilizations…But main part from India and also mathematics from India as in it (there is use of angles, Trignometry, circle and those have been originated in India only)…In Suryasidhanta there is talk of constant motion of planets which is the theme of circular motion, circles are creativities of Indian orogin…. 5) When Rashi chart came in existence (means in 1'st BCE) at the same time Drekkana chart came in existence (because Drekkana was ancient Egyptian concept and Rashi was Indian) but Greeks clubbed those and after this ppl got the idea to partition thirty degrees in many many divisions and those took separate separate charts dealing with separate separate aspect of one native.They clubbed it(D-3 Chart) with Rashi chart...So D charts have been originated at same time when Rashi chart originated.. . It is obvious thing if there are two sets, one is having 12 counts and other 36 then which could be division of what?? 6) Rashi and D-3 chart are the oldest creation of astrology or one may same came in existence at same time and those were also separate chart…Clubbing of those separate charts gave thinking of separate separate Divisional charts of other harmonics but clubbing of D-Charts with Rashi chart was also one aspect as 12 counts of ecliptic is the lowest count of ecliptic… D-9 came after D-3 & D-1. But D-9 got hype as it deals with Dharma of all things. So BPHS is the oldest treatise which talks of D-Charts, among all classics and other are off shoots of it, like Nadi etc etc... So My salutations to B V Raman, K N Rao, Santhanam, PVR, Sanjay Rath, GK Goel who propogated D Charts in India and in whole world… Thanks and Regards, Prashant Pandey PS:- Dear Modearor, if you think this mail is of any use then approve it otherwise Thanks!!! this is a pious attempt to save works of Giants like Mr Rao, B V Raman from being abused, Rest your wish... Thanks again and Good Bye! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 Dear prashant pandey, well this is a sad view that those who have not studied the depth of vedas, but superficially may have glanced into it vedas r multi-layered, with diff applications showing up to those who know how to open the diff levels of wisdom in it it is the imperialists who have spread such views that other races like Greeks, Babylonians , Mayan < Indus have their contribution Egyptians did plunder many countries took their knowledgeable ppl and got the info and slaughtered or crippled them so that they cud not return home. so has the rasayana shastra, bhugolika, ganitha, jyotisha etc also been stolen/looted from the area we call as Veda bhoomi or now India lets not credit these to cultures that have invaded, enslaved, brutalized any other culture by force but for ashoka no other emperor did fore his way so brutally he too reformed. in due course and did a lot of good to humanity by spreading the non-violent Buddhism to the world if other cultures have indeed had their knowledge in this why r they not applying it? where as vedic jyotish still uses them west has taken modern chemistry, physics from egput, why did they not use the Egyptian astrology then? Prashant kumar , " prashant " <praspandey wrote: > > Varga Charts are one of the oldest creations and those are separate charts and it came in existence at same time when Rashi chart came….. > > 1) Greeks came to India in 3'rd BCE with Egyptians thinking as their interactions were older then Indians... > > 2) Egyptians were using 36 parts around the ecliptic (Not exactly there was ecliptic concept)and all parts had deities and those parts were known as Decante or one may say Drekkanna (This is at least 4000 yrs older astronomical fact of Egyptians).. ..If I am liar plz read that Drekkana also use to have deities…. > > 3) Indians were using 12 parts around ecliptic (not exactly around on ecliptic as there was no ecliptic concept in ancient time) as clear from VEDAS verses... > > 4) Greeks and Babylonians created constellation in the name of Rashis in 4'th Century BCE sorry Vice-Versa.. . > > 5) Now with attacks of Alexander on India (In 3'rd Cent BCE), things started flowing to India or one may say 4-5 civilization got mixed up and and real astrology started caming in existence which we know now days around the world… > > Mathematics used in Suryasidhanta is of Indian origin but certainly views to get calculated things to erect astrology is certainly mixture of 4-5 civilizations…But main part from India and also mathematics from India as in it (there is use of angles, Trignometry, circle and those have been originated in India only)…In Suryasidhanta there is talk of constant motion of planets which is the theme of circular motion, circles are creativities of Indian orogin…. > > 5) When Rashi chart came in existence (means in 1'st BCE) at the same time Drekkana chart came in existence (because Drekkana was ancient Egyptian concept and Rashi was Indian) but Greeks clubbed those and after this ppl got the idea to partition thirty degrees in many many divisions and those took separate separate charts dealing with separate separate aspect of one native.They clubbed it(D-3 Chart) with Rashi chart...So D charts have been originated at same time when Rashi chart originated.. . > > It is obvious thing if there are two sets, one is having 12 counts and other 36 then which could be division of what?? > > 6) Rashi and D-3 chart are the oldest creation of astrology or one may same came in existence at same time and those were also separate chart…Clubbing of those separate charts gave thinking of separate separate Divisional charts of other harmonics but clubbing of D-Charts with Rashi chart was also one aspect as 12 counts of ecliptic is the lowest count of ecliptic… > > D-9 came after D-3 & D-1. But D-9 got hype as it deals with Dharma of all things. > > So BPHS is the oldest treatise which talks of D-Charts, among all classics and other are off shoots of it, like Nadi etc etc... > > So My salutations to B V Raman, K N Rao, Santhanam, PVR, Sanjay Rath, GK Goel who propogated D Charts in India and in whole world… > > Thanks and Regards, > Prashant Pandey > > PS:- Dear Modearor, if you think this mail is of any use then approve it otherwise Thanks!!! this is a pious attempt to save works of Giants like Mr Rao, B V Raman from being abused, Rest your wish... > > Thanks again and Good Bye! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 /*hraum krishnaya namah*/ Dear Members, So Parashara Maharishi author of Vishnu Purana which is treated as fifth veda (panca veda - Upanishads) took the concept of drekkana from Greeks. Great! Regards, Rafal Gendarz SJC Jyotish Guru -------------- /*Consultations & Pages* http://rohinaa.com rafal starsuponme / prashant pisze: > > > Varga Charts are one of the oldest creations and those are separate > charts and it came in existence at same time when Rashi chart came….. > > 1) Greeks came to India in 3'rd BCE with Egyptians thinking as their > interactions were older then Indians... > > 2) Egyptians were using 36 parts around the ecliptic (Not exactly > there was ecliptic concept)and all parts had deities and those parts > were known as Decante or one may say Drekkanna (This is at least 4000 > yrs older astronomical fact of Egyptians).. ..If I am liar plz read > that Drekkana also use to have deities…. > > 3) Indians were using 12 parts around ecliptic (not exactly around on > ecliptic as there was no ecliptic concept in ancient time) as clear > from VEDAS verses... > > 4) Greeks and Babylonians created constellation in the name of Rashis > in 4'th Century BCE sorry Vice-Versa.. . > > 5) Now with attacks of Alexander on India (In 3'rd Cent BCE), things > started flowing to India or one may say 4-5 civilization got mixed up > and and real astrology started caming in existence which we know now > days around the world… > > Mathematics used in Suryasidhanta is of Indian origin but certainly > views to get calculated things to erect astrology is certainly mixture > of 4-5 civilizations… But main part from India and also mathematics > from India as in it (there is use of angles, Trignometry, circle and > those have been originated in India only)…In Suryasidhanta there is > talk of constant motion of planets which is the theme of circular > motion, circles are creativities of Indian orogin…. > > 5) When Rashi chart came in existence (means in 1'st BCE) at the same > time Drekkana chart came in existence (because Drekkana was ancient > Egyptian concept and Rashi was Indian) but Greeks clubbed those and > after this ppl got the idea to partition thirty degrees in many many > divisions and those took separate separate charts dealing with > separate separate aspect of one native.They clubbed it(D-3 Chart) with > Rashi chart...So D charts have been originated at same time when Rashi > chart originated.. . > > It is obvious thing if there are two sets, one is having 12 counts and > other 36 then which could be division of what?? > > 6) Rashi and D-3 chart are the oldest creation of astrology or one may > same came in existence at same time and those were also separate > chart…Clubbing of those separate charts gave thinking of separate > separate Divisional charts of other harmonics but clubbing of D-Charts > with Rashi chart was also one aspect as 12 counts of ecliptic is the > lowest count of ecliptic… > > D-9 came after D-3 & D-1. But D-9 got hype as it deals with Dharma of > all things. > > So BPHS is the oldest treatise which talks of D-Charts, among all > classics and other are off shoots of it, like Nadi etc etc... > > So My salutations to B V Raman, K N Rao, Santhanam, PVR, Sanjay Rath, > GK Goel who propogated D Charts in India and in whole world… > > Thanks and Regards, > Prashant Pandey > > PS:- Dear Modearor, if you think this mail is of any use then approve > it otherwise Thanks!!! this is a pious attempt to save works of Giants > like Mr Rao, B V Raman from being abused, Rest your wish... > > Thanks again and Good Bye! > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 Rafel G, I have countered it in 2 posts am sure u can have some info from ur own sources esp SJC if any pl share. I am sure u r not new to the source of this info seen u have a huge tug of war with this source. BV RAMAN in his numerous world wide lectures has contered such rubbish, I hope some can post them here. prashant , Rafał Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > > /*hraum krishnaya namah*/ > Dear Members, > > So Parashara Maharishi author of Vishnu Purana which is treated as fifth > veda (panca veda - Upanishads) took the concept of drekkana from Greeks. > > > Great! > > > > Regards, > Rafal Gendarz > SJC Jyotish Guru > -------------- > /*Consultations & Pages* > http://rohinaa.com > rafal > starsuponme > / > > prashant pisze: > > > > > > Varga Charts are one of the oldest creations and those are separate > > charts and it came in existence at same time when Rashi chart came….. > > > > 1) Greeks came to India in 3'rd BCE with Egyptians thinking as their > > interactions were older then Indians... > > > > 2) Egyptians were using 36 parts around the ecliptic (Not exactly > > there was ecliptic concept)and all parts had deities and those parts > > were known as Decante or one may say Drekkanna (This is at least 4000 > > yrs older astronomical fact of Egyptians).. ..If I am liar plz read > > that Drekkana also use to have deities…. > > > > 3) Indians were using 12 parts around ecliptic (not exactly around on > > ecliptic as there was no ecliptic concept in ancient time) as clear > > from VEDAS verses... > > > > 4) Greeks and Babylonians created constellation in the name of Rashis > > in 4'th Century BCE sorry Vice-Versa.. . > > > > 5) Now with attacks of Alexander on India (In 3'rd Cent BCE), things > > started flowing to India or one may say 4-5 civilization got mixed up > > and and real astrology started caming in existence which we know now > > days around the world… > > > > Mathematics used in Suryasidhanta is of Indian origin but certainly > > views to get calculated things to erect astrology is certainly mixture > > of 4-5 civilizations… But main part from India and also mathematics > > from India as in it (there is use of angles, Trignometry, circle and > > those have been originated in India only)…In Suryasidhanta there is > > talk of constant motion of planets which is the theme of circular > > motion, circles are creativities of Indian orogin…. > > > > 5) When Rashi chart came in existence (means in 1'st BCE) at the same > > time Drekkana chart came in existence (because Drekkana was ancient > > Egyptian concept and Rashi was Indian) but Greeks clubbed those and > > after this ppl got the idea to partition thirty degrees in many many > > divisions and those took separate separate charts dealing with > > separate separate aspect of one native.They clubbed it(D-3 Chart) with > > Rashi chart...So D charts have been originated at same time when Rashi > > chart originated.. . > > > > It is obvious thing if there are two sets, one is having 12 counts and > > other 36 then which could be division of what?? > > > > 6) Rashi and D-3 chart are the oldest creation of astrology or one may > > same came in existence at same time and those were also separate > > chart…Clubbing of those separate charts gave thinking of separate > > separate Divisional charts of other harmonics but clubbing of D-Charts > > with Rashi chart was also one aspect as 12 counts of ecliptic is the > > lowest count of ecliptic… > > > > D-9 came after D-3 & D-1. But D-9 got hype as it deals with Dharma of > > all things. > > > > So BPHS is the oldest treatise which talks of D-Charts, among all > > classics and other are off shoots of it, like Nadi etc etc... > > > > So My salutations to B V Raman, K N Rao, Santhanam, PVR, Sanjay Rath, > > GK Goel who propogated D Charts in India and in whole world… > > > > Thanks and Regards, > > Prashant Pandey > > > > PS:- Dear Modearor, if you think this mail is of any use then approve > > it otherwise Thanks!!! this is a pious attempt to save works of Giants > > like Mr Rao, B V Raman from being abused, Rest your wish... > > > > Thanks again and Good Bye! > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 --- On Tue, 13/10/09, Prashant <praspandey wrote: Prashant <praspandeyRe: History of Varga Charts !!!"Manoj Kumar" <mouji99Tuesday, 13 October, 2009, 4:16 PM Dear Shri Manoj ji, Thanks for your response ! It was really impossible to break the ice without showing the real proof(though those are against Hindu astrology but facts are facts), that Divisional charts are stand alone creativities and as much older as Rashi charts. I am sending one more link as third person's voice to get more clear cut idea about it.... In below link please try to reach on following heading :- "Appendix: Two Systems of Decan Rulership " and read the second column of lordships which is in accordace with lordship of D-1 charts (means in order like this Mars,Venus,Mercury,Moon, Sun .....) and leads to three different- different charts of D-3 and in accordance of it 3 parts of the body have been divided means if lagna is rising in first Dreskkana then what cycle would be taken of 3 charts and which part would be impacted on body.... http://www.bendykes.com/articles/decans.htm If you want to read how much older this concept have been ie DECANS, then again please read third persons voice.... In below link please go to "History" heading and read about the Dendera Zodiac's age which was egyptian Zodiac and according to it they used to make calendar... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dendera_zodiac Hope now everything is clear and one should keep in mind that Divisional charts are separate separate entity and Greeks try to club it with Indian D-1 Rashi concept in India and on the same theme other Divisional charts came in existence.... Nadi scriptures are only specialisation on D-1 with D-9 so those are off-shoots of BPHS which is bible of astrology around the globe now-a days.... I just push this mail as Giant's work were being abused by ONE ABUSER who use to abuse all... Regs, Prashant Pandey --- On Tue, 13/10/09, Manoj Kumar <mouji99 wrote: Manoj Kumar <mouji99Re: History of Varga Charts !!!"Prashant" <praspandeyTuesday, 13 October, 2009, 8:41 PM nice explanation but we have enough in hindu astrology than to be depending on civilizations which depended on hindus for their knowledge. Good effort. Congrats Prashant <praspandeyS.C. Kursija <sckursijaTue, October 13, 2009 6:56:20 AMRe: History of Varga Charts !!! Dear Shri Kursijaji, Neither i am Pt nor Respected as i am not an astrologer (Jyotishi), yes i have deep interest in History of astronomy, astronomy and civilizations and political matters. Actually works of B V Raman, K N Rao, Sanjay Rath, PVR, G K Goel, Santhanam were being abused so i was forced to break the silence as truth is something different.I dont say you should get agree with me but at least read the truth.... I am saying again and again that D Charts are of very old creativities and those are separate charts and Greek did exercise of clubbing Rashi chart(Of indian origin) with D Charts(Basically D-3 of Egyptian) in India with Indian Mathematics. Varahmihir person of 5 cent AD has written in his works about D charts, so how D charts could be just 300 years older creativities... If i am wrong, plz read on your own, voice of third person about divisional chart :- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decans Number 108 is of indian origin and from there D-9 came in existence....D-9 went to Nadi as D-9 deals with Dharma or one may say Fate of evrything..So in Nadi works there is complete exrcise of concepts with D-9 and D-1 For rest 2 queries which you have written in your mail like :- 1. The names of Rashi are available in Veda which is the accepted oldest literature available. 2. You yourself have accepted that the calculation used in Suryasidhant is origin of India. When you say that Syryasidhant is Indian origin, it means that we know the ecliptic path, rashi, ayanamsha and nakshtra etc. I have answers with proofs to refute your points, but you are Vedic-Astrologer so i dont think you should come across of it.Hope you will mind if my language is aggressive any where and sorry in advance as i am aggressive writer. Regs, Prashant Pandey PS:- My request is not to abuse D charts even in dreams as those are ancient creativities and i have shown with proofs.--- On Tue, 13/10/09, S.C. Kursija <sckursija wrote: S.C. Kursija <sckursijaRe: History of Varga Charts !!!"Prashant" <praspandeyTuesday, 13 October, 2009, 1:13 PM Respected Pt.Prashant ji, I am sorry that I can not agree with you so for the history of astrology is concerned. The names of Rashi are available in Veda which is the accepted oldest literature available. There are certainly some developments and mixing of two cultures and in astrology after the attack of Alexander, You yourself have accepted that the calculation used in Suryasidhant is origin of India. When you say that Syryasidhant is Indian origin, it means that we know the ecliptic path, rashi, ayanamsha and nakshtra etc. Regards--- On Mon, 10/12/09, Prashant <praspandey wrote: Prashant <praspandeyHistory of Varga Charts !!!Monday, October 12, 2009, 11:00 PM Varga Charts are one of the oldest creations and those are separate charts and it came in existence at same time when Rashi chart came…..1) Greeks came to India in 3'rd BCE with Egyptians thinking as their interactions were older then Indians...2) Egyptians were using 36 parts around the ecliptic(Not exactly there was ecliptic concept)and all parts had deities and those parts were known as Decante or one may say Drekkanna (This is at least 4000 yrs older astronomical fact of Egyptians).. ..If I am liar plz read that Drekkana also use to have deities….3) Indians were using 12 parts around ecliptic (not exactly around on ecliptic as there was no ecliptic concept in ancient time) as clear from VEDAS verses...4) Greeks and Babylonians created constellation in the name of Rashis in 4'th Century BCE sorry Vice-Versa.. .5) Now with attacks of Alexander on India (In 3'rd Cent BCE), things started flowing to India or one may say 4-5 civilization got mixed up and and real astrology started caming in existence which we know now days around the world…Mathematics used in Suryasidhanta is of Indian origin but certainly views to get calculated things from 4-5 civilizations…5) When Rashi chart came in existence (means in 1'st BCE) at the same time Drekkana chart came in existence (because Drekkana was ancient Egyptian concept and Rashi was Indian) but Greeks clubbed those and after this ppl got the idea to partitioning thirty degrees in many divisions and those took separate separate charts and they clubbed it with Rashi chart...So D charts are originated at same time when Rashi chart originated.. .It is obvious thing if there are two sets, one is having 12 counts and other 36 then which could be division of what??6) Rashi and D-3 chart are the oldest creation of astrology or one may same came in existence at same time and those were also separate chart…Clubbing of those separate charts gave thinking of separate separate Divisional charts of other harmonics but clubbing of D-Charts with Rashi chart was also one aspect as 12 counts of ecliptic is the lowest part of ecliptic…So BPHS is the oldest treatise which talks of D-Charts among all astrological books and other are off shoots of it, like Nadi etc etc...So My salutations to B V Raman, K N Rao, Santhanam, PVR, Sanjay Rath, GK Goel who propogated D Charts in India and in whole world…Thanks and Regards,Prashant Pandey Try the new India Homepage. 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Guest guest Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 Dear Gentlemen, Please re-check what you write in message board. As far as universal truth is concerned, Parashara Maharishi, had come much more earlier than Greek civilisation. Then,how did he take drekkan from Greek? With best wishes, P K Tripathy. ________________________________ Rafał Gendarz <starsuponme Tue, October 13, 2009 4:01:49 AM Re: History of Varga Charts !!!  /*hraum krishnaya namah*/ Dear Members, So Parashara Maharishi author of Vishnu Purana which is treated as fifth veda (panca veda - Upanishads) took the concept of drekkana from Greeks. Great! Regards, Rafal Gendarz SJC Jyotish Guru ------------ -- /*Consultations & Pages* http://rohinaa. com rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com starsuponme@ wp.pl / prashant pisze: > > > Varga Charts are one of the oldest creations and those are separate > charts and it came in existence at same time when Rashi chart came….. > > 1) Greeks came to India in 3'rd BCE with Egyptians thinking as their > interactions were older then Indians... > > 2) Egyptians were using 36 parts around the ecliptic (Not exactly > there was ecliptic concept)and all parts had deities and those parts > were known as Decante or one may say Drekkanna (This is at least 4000 > yrs older astronomical fact of Egyptians).. ..If I am liar plz read > that Drekkana also use to have deities…. > > 3) Indians were using 12 parts around ecliptic (not exactly around on > ecliptic as there was no ecliptic concept in ancient time) as clear > from VEDAS verses... > > 4) Greeks and Babylonians created constellation in the name of Rashis > in 4'th Century BCE sorry Vice-Versa.. . > > 5) Now with attacks of Alexander on India (In 3'rd Cent BCE), things > started flowing to India or one may say 4-5 civilization got mixed up > and and real astrology started caming in existence which we know now > days around the world… > > Mathematics used in Suryasidhanta is of Indian origin but certainly > views to get calculated things to erect astrology is certainly mixture > of 4-5 civilizations… But main part from India and also mathematics > from India as in it (there is use of angles, Trignometry, circle and > those have been originated in India only)…In Suryasidhanta there is > talk of constant motion of planets which is the theme of circular > motion, circles are creativities of Indian orogin…. > > 5) When Rashi chart came in existence (means in 1'st BCE) at the same > time Drekkana chart came in existence (because Drekkana was ancient > Egyptian concept and Rashi was Indian) but Greeks clubbed those and > after this ppl got the idea to partition thirty degrees in many many > divisions and those took separate separate charts dealing with > separate separate aspect of one native.They clubbed it(D-3 Chart) with > Rashi chart...So D charts have been originated at same time when Rashi > chart originated.. . > > It is obvious thing if there are two sets, one is having 12 counts and > other 36 then which could be division of what?? > > 6) Rashi and D-3 chart are the oldest creation of astrology or one may > same came in existence at same time and those were also separate > chart…Clubbing of those separate charts gave thinking of separate > separate Divisional charts of other harmonics but clubbing of D-Charts > with Rashi chart was also one aspect as 12 counts of ecliptic is the > lowest count of ecliptic… > > D-9 came after D-3 & D-1. But D-9 got hype as it deals with Dharma of > all things. > > So BPHS is the oldest treatise which talks of D-Charts, among all > classics and other are off shoots of it, like Nadi etc etc... > > So My salutations to B V Raman, K N Rao, Santhanam, PVR, Sanjay Rath, > GK Goel who propogated D Charts in India and in whole world… > > Thanks and Regards, > Prashant Pandey > > PS:- Dear Modearor, if you think this mail is of any use then approve > it otherwise Thanks!!! this is a pious attempt to save works of Giants > like Mr Rao, B V Raman from being abused, Rest your wish... > > Thanks again and Good Bye! > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 Dear Tripaty, pls read carefully if you are refering to rafel jis remark. He was sacrcasticly deniying the idea.  ________________________________ Pk Tripathy <pktripathy89 Wed, October 14, 2009 1:49:51 PM Re: History of Varga Charts !!!  Dear Gentlemen, Please re-check what you write in message board. As far as universal truth is concerned, Parashara Maharishi, had come much more earlier than Greek civilisation. Then,how did he take drekkan from Greek? With best wishes, P K Tripathy. ____________ _________ _________ __ Rafał Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl> Tue, October 13, 2009 4:01:49 AM Re: History of Varga Charts !!!  /*hraum krishnaya namah*/ Dear Members, So Parashara Maharishi author of Vishnu Purana which is treated as fifth veda (panca veda - Upanishads) took the concept of drekkana from Greeks. Great! Regards, Rafal Gendarz SJC Jyotish Guru ------------ -- /*Consultations & Pages* http://rohinaa. com rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com starsuponme@ wp.pl / prashant pisze: > > > Varga Charts are one of the oldest creations and those are separate > charts and it came in existence at same time when Rashi chart came….. > > 1) Greeks came to India in 3'rd BCE with Egyptians thinking as their > interactions were older then Indians... > > 2) Egyptians were using 36 parts around the ecliptic (Not exactly > there was ecliptic concept)and all parts had deities and those parts > were known as Decante or one may say Drekkanna (This is at least 4000 > yrs older astronomical fact of Egyptians).. ..If I am liar plz read > that Drekkana also use to have deities…. > > 3) Indians were using 12 parts around ecliptic (not exactly around on > ecliptic as there was no ecliptic concept in ancient time) as clear > from VEDAS verses... > > 4) Greeks and Babylonians created constellation in the name of Rashis > in 4'th Century BCE sorry Vice-Versa.. . > > 5) Now with attacks of Alexander on India (In 3'rd Cent BCE), things > started flowing to India or one may say 4-5 civilization got mixed up > and and real astrology started caming in existence which we know now > days around the world… > > Mathematics used in Suryasidhanta is of Indian origin but certainly > views to get calculated things to erect astrology is certainly mixture > of 4-5 civilizations… But main part from India and also mathematics > from India as in it (there is use of angles, Trignometry, circle and > those have been originated in India only)…In Suryasidhanta there is > talk of constant motion of planets which is the theme of circular > motion, circles are creativities of Indian orogin…. > > 5) When Rashi chart came in existence (means in 1'st BCE) at the same > time Drekkana chart came in existence (because Drekkana was ancient > Egyptian concept and Rashi was Indian) but Greeks clubbed those and > after this ppl got the idea to partition thirty degrees in many many > divisions and those took separate separate charts dealing with > separate separate aspect of one native.They clubbed it(D-3 Chart) with > Rashi chart...So D charts have been originated at same time when Rashi > chart originated.. . > > It is obvious thing if there are two sets, one is having 12 counts and > other 36 then which could be division of what?? > > 6) Rashi and D-3 chart are the oldest creation of astrology or one may > same came in existence at same time and those were also separate > chart…Clubbing of those separate charts gave thinking of separate > separate Divisional charts of other harmonics but clubbing of D-Charts > with Rashi chart was also one aspect as 12 counts of ecliptic is the > lowest count of ecliptic… > > D-9 came after D-3 & D-1. But D-9 got hype as it deals with Dharma of > all things. > > So BPHS is the oldest treatise which talks of D-Charts, among all > classics and other are off shoots of it, like Nadi etc etc... > > So My salutations to B V Raman, K N Rao, Santhanam, PVR, Sanjay Rath, > GK Goel who propogated D Charts in India and in whole world… > > Thanks and Regards, > Prashant Pandey > > PS:- Dear Modearor, if you think this mail is of any use then approve > it otherwise Thanks!!! this is a pious attempt to save works of Giants > like Mr Rao, B V Raman from being abused, Rest your wish... > > Thanks again and Good Bye! > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 Dear Nagarajan ji, Thanks for the forward. I wonder the 'ONE ABUSER' mentioned by Prasant pandey ji is me or someone else. :=) Anyway I have atleast CSP and Santanam on my side. But the write-up was informative, even though we may not agree to many points suggested. Now coming to the history of words " Lagna, Hora, Drekkana, Chaturdha-amsa, Panchama-amsa, Shad-amsa, Sapta-amsa, Ashata-amsa, Nava-amsa...etc " is concerned, I always used to wonder - * why the first 3 words does not end with the word " Amsa " (Part/Division)? Amsa is a Sanskrit word, and it can be argued or assumed that all divisions such as Chaturdha-amsa, Panchama-amsa, Shad-amsa, Sapta-amsa, Nava-amsa etc could be of Indian origin. But what about the first 3 words? Let us note the following points - * All these 3 words (Lagna, Hora, Drekkana) we find used even in the fist book of Indian nirayana astrology - i.e. Skanda hora, which was also known by the name " Jyotishmati upanishad " . It is said that Jyotishmati is from Atharva khila (not included fragments - left out parts- of Atharva Veda). [[Does it point to Iranian (Avestan) origin in any way? Especially in face of the argument that: Atharva veda has 2 parts; i.e. 1) Bhargava Samhita and 2) Angirasa Samhita. That is why Gopatha Brahmana calls it Brigu-Angirasi Sanhita; What we consider as " Atharva Veda " in India is only one part of it i.e. Angirasa Samhita. The Gatha portion of Avesta is nothing but Bhargava Samhita. i.e.Avesta is nothing but Bhargave samhita part of " Atharva Veda " !]] * " Lagna " is a word used to refer to " rising sign " in Sanskrit. This word does not find any etymology in Greek. Certainly this is a word of Sanskrit origin which later got adopted by the greeks. The online greek etymological dictionary at: http://www.indo-european.nl/ gives the following information. Greek: lšgnon Grammatical information: n. (-nh f.) Meaning: `cloured edging, of a cloth' (Poll., H., sch.), also of the side of the womb (Hp.). Derivatives: legnwtÒj `provided w. l.' (Call., Nic.), legnèdeij poik…laj, legnw~sai poiki~lai H. Origin (see intro): PGX Etymology: No etymology. The connection with Skt. lagati, lagna- (ep.) `stick fast, adhere to' (Prellwitz) is defended by WP. 2, 714 referring to Lat. limbus `edging of cloth' beside Skt. la´mbate `hang of, hang on'. - Perh. Pre-Greek. * Hora is a word used to mean 'Rasyardha'(half of a sign) as per Skanda hora and all other ancient astrological texts of indian origin. A study of Brihat Jataka and Yavana (Zorashtrian/Iranian?) school of astrology tell us that this word was used to mean " Sign " as well by the them. May be even the Greeks too used this word " Hora " to refer to the Sign itself and NOT " half of a sign " . Thus the useage of the word " Hora " to mean " half of sign " is most certainly is of Indian origin. But certainly this word was in use in Greece as well from ancient past. * Drekkana is word used to means " Rasi tribhaga " (1/3rd of a Sign) as per Skanda hora and all other astrological texts of Indian origin. Ofcourse as 'Prash Pandy' suggests the origin of this word can be traced back even to Egyptians during BC 2000+ period. Certainly this is a very old word. This meant the same i.e. 1/36th part of the zodiac to all - whether it be Indians, Egyptians or Greeks. Therefore it is well possible that these 3 words have a very old history possibly much older than the Panini Sanskrit; going far back into the Agamic/Vedic prakrit days. It is well possible that these words were in use pre-indian, pre-greek,pre-egyptian, pre-sumerian root culture - what ever that be; whether it be be agamic or vedic. Most possibly it should be due to the special reverence given to these words due to its ancient antiquity, the Ancient astro books and even Skanda hora used these words without change; without changing them to Di-Amasa (Hora), or Tri-amsa (Drekkana) or even to Di-Bhaga (Hora) or Tri-Bhaga (Drekkana). An in-depth unprejudiced study of the origin and history of these words could possibly bring-out much more useful information - I think. As Manoj ji put it - Is it that " we have enough in hindu astrology than to be depending on civilizations which depended on hindus for their knowledge. " at least in the case of Decante (Drekkana)? Especially remembering the fact that the Egyptian Decante zodiac is of 50 BCE origin? What about the 36 Egyptian Calendarical gods? (http://ib205.tripod.com/decans.html) Note: I request the learned scholars like Chakraborty ji, Sunil Bhattcharjya ji and Shankar Bharadwaj ji in this group to express their opinion on this. Love and regards, Sreenadh , " Guru.nagarajan " <guru_naga_astrologer wrote: > > > > --- On Tue, 13/10/09, Prashant <praspandey wrote: > > > Prashant <praspandey > Re: History of Varga Charts !!! > " Manoj Kumar " <mouji99 > Tuesday, 13 October, 2009, 4:16 PM > Dear Shri Manoj ji, >  > Thanks for your response ! >  > It was really impossible to break the ice without showing the real proof(though those are against Hindu astrology but facts are facts), that Divisional charts are stand alone creativities and as much older as Rashi charts. >  > I am sending one more link as third person's voice to get  more clear cut idea about it.... >  > In below link please try to reach on following heading :- >  > " Appendix: Two Systems of Decan Rulership " >  > and read the second column of lordships which is in accordace with lordship of D-1 charts (means in order like this Mars,Venus,Mercury,Moon, Sun .....) and leads to three different- different charts of D-3 and in accordance of it 3 parts of the body have been divided means if lagna is rising in first Dreskkana then what cycle would be taken of 3 charts and which part would be impacted on body.... >  > http://www.bendykes.com/articles/decans.htm >  > If you want to read how much older this concept have been ie DECANS, then again please read third persons voice.... >  > In below link please go to " History "  heading and read about the Dendera Zodiac's age which was egyptian Zodiac and according to it they used to make calendar... >  > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dendera_zodiac >  > Hope now everything is clear and one should keep in mind that Divisional charts are separate separate entity and Greeks try to club it with Indian D-1 Rashi concept in India and on the same theme other Divisional charts came in existence.... >  > Nadi scriptures are only specialisation on D-1 with D-9 so those are off-shoots of BPHS which is bible of astrology around the globe now-a days.... >  > I just push this mail as Giant's work were being abused by ONE ABUSER who use to abuse all... >  > Regs, > Prashant Pandey >  > > --- On Tue, 13/10/09, Manoj Kumar <mouji99 wrote: > > > Manoj Kumar <mouji99 > Re: History of Varga Charts !!! > " Prashant " <praspandey > Tuesday, 13 October, 2009, 8:41 PM > > nice explanation but we have enough in hindu astrology than to be depending on civilizations which depended on hindus for their knowledge. Good effort. Congrats > > Prashant <praspandey > S.C. Kursija <sckursija > Tue, October 13, 2009 6:56:20 AM > Re: History of Varga Charts !!! > > Dear Shri Kursijaji, >  > Neither i am Pt nor Respected as i am not an astrologer (Jyotishi), yes i have deep interest in History of astronomy, astronomy and civilizations and political matters. >  > Actually works of B V Raman, K N Rao, Sanjay Rath, PVR, G K Goel, Santhanam were being abused so i was forced to break the silence as truth is something different.I dont say you should get agree with me but at least read the truth.... >  > I am saying again and again that D Charts are of very old creativities and those are separate charts and Greek did exercise of clubbing Rashi chart(Of indian origin) with D Charts(Basically D-3 of Egyptian) in India with Indian Mathematics. Varahmihir person of 5 cent AD has written in his works about D charts, so how D charts could be just 300 years older creativities... >  > If i am wrong, plz read on your own, voice of third person about divisional chart :- >  > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decans >  > Number 108 is of indian origin and from there D-9 came in existence....D-9 went to Nadi as D-9 deals with Dharma or one may say Fate of evrything..So in Nadi works there is complete exrcise of concepts with D-9 and D-1 >  > For rest 2 queries which you have written in your mail like :- >  > 1. The names of Rashi are available in Veda which is the accepted oldest literature available. > 2. You yourself have accepted that the calculation used in Suryasidhant is origin of India. When you say that Syryasidhant is Indian origin, it means that we know the ecliptic path, rashi, ayanamsha and nakshtra etc. >  > I have answers with proofs to refute your points, but you are Vedic-Astrologer so i dont think you should come across of it.Hope you will mind if my language is aggressive any where and sorry in advance as i am aggressive writer. >  > Regs, > Prashant Pandey >  > PS:- My request is not to abuse D charts even in dreams as those are ancient creativities and i have shown with proofs. > > --- On Tue, 13/10/09, S.C. Kursija <sckursija wrote: > > > S.C. Kursija <sckursija > Re: History of Varga Charts !!! > " Prashant " <praspandey > Tuesday, 13 October, 2009, 1:13 PM > > Respected Pt.Prashant ji, > I am sorry that I can not agree with you so for the history of astrology is concerned. The names of Rashi are available in Veda which is the accepted oldest literature available. There are certainly some developments and mixing of two cultures and in astrology after the attack of Alexander, You yourself have accepted that the calculation used in Suryasidhant is origin of India. When you say that Syryasidhant is Indian origin, it means that we know the ecliptic path, rashi, ayanamsha and nakshtra etc. > Regards > > --- On Mon, 10/12/09, Prashant <praspandey wrote: > > > Prashant <praspandey > History of Varga Charts !!! > To: > Monday, October 12, 2009, 11:00 PM > > Varga Charts are one of the oldest creations and those are separate charts and it came in existence at same time when Rashi chart came….. > > 1) Greeks came to India in 3'rd BCE with Egyptians thinking as their interactions were older then Indians... > > 2) Egyptians were using 36 parts around the ecliptic(Not exactly there was ecliptic concept)and all parts had deities and those parts were known as Decante or one may say Drekkanna (This is at least 4000 yrs older astronomical fact of Egyptians).. ..If I am liar plz read that Drekkana also use to have deities…. > > 3) Indians were using 12 parts around ecliptic (not exactly around on ecliptic as there was no ecliptic concept in ancient time) as clear from VEDAS verses... > > 4) Greeks and Babylonians created constellation in the name of Rashis in 4'th Century BCE sorry Vice-Versa.. . > > 5) Now with attacks of Alexander on India (In 3'rd Cent BCE), things started flowing to India or one may say 4-5 civilization got mixed up and and real astrology started caming in existence which we know now days around the world… > > Mathematics used in Suryasidhanta is of Indian origin but certainly views to get calculated things from 4-5 civilizations… > > 5) When Rashi chart came in existence (means in 1'st BCE) at the same time Drekkana chart came in existence (because Drekkana was ancient Egyptian concept and Rashi was Indian) but Greeks clubbed those and after this ppl got the idea to partitioning thirty degrees in many divisions and those took separate separate charts and they clubbed it with Rashi chart...So D charts are originated at same time when Rashi chart originated.. . > > It is obvious thing if there are two sets, one is having 12 counts and other 36 then which could be division of what?? > > 6) Rashi and D-3 chart are the oldest creation of astrology or one may same came in existence at same time and those were also separate chart…Clubbing of those separate charts gave thinking of separate separate Divisional charts of other harmonics but clubbing of D-Charts with Rashi chart was also one aspect as 12 counts of ecliptic is the lowest part of ecliptic… > > So BPHS is the oldest treatise which talks of D-Charts among all astrological books and other are off shoots of it, like Nadi etc etc... > > So My salutations to B V Raman, K N Rao, Santhanam, PVR, Sanjay Rath, GK Goel who propogated D Charts in India and in whole world… > > Thanks and Regards, > Prashant Pandey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 Dear All, The following info may interest some of you. Source: http://www.geocities.com/astrologyages/egyptianprecession.htm Love and regards, Sreenadh =================== Ancient Egypt and Precession ---------------------------- Definition: [Astrological Ages] Did the Ancient Egyptians understand the Movement of the Ages? Nowadays they are claimed to have possessed this knowledge in a number of popular books which have appeared, subsequent to the popularisation of Jung's Astrological Age concept [see Publishing and Precession]. In contrast amongst academic archeological circles the answer is: Answer: Almost certainly not. Facts which Indicate the Ancient Egyptians Would Not Have Had a Movement of the Ages Concept: I'll define Ancient here to mean anytime in Egyptian history up to the fall of the Egyptian New Kingdom in 1070 BC. * There is essentially no evidence that the Egyptians practised astrology prior to what we now call the Late Period [712 -332 BC] of their history, and there is hardly any evidence even in the Late Period. [in contrast we have huge amounts of information relating to their astral religious practices from before this time.] * It is not until the Greco-Roman Period [332 BC - 641 AD] that we have any significant surviving documentation of astrological practices in Egypt. [The famous Dendera Zodiac only dates to 50 BC.] * These are all based on the Greco-Babylonian constellations, which the Egyptians did not invent and did not use until after the Greek conquest [332 BC]. * They are also based on the Babylonian twelve sign zodiac concept, which was not invented by the Babylonians until the 539 - 331 BC period. The Egyptians did not invent the concept and did not use it until after the Greek conquest. * It is doubtful that the Ancient Egyptians had a concept of a constellation as we do now - there is no reference to any such concept in Ancient Egyptian writings. They associated Gods with the sky but to individual stars not constellations. [Attempts to assign constellations to these God figures are all the work of recent authors - with no basis in the Egyptian texts.] * The Ancient Egyptians used decans [a Greek word for the Egyptian concept] for calendar purposes instead of constellations. Each decan was ten days of their calendar and hence 10° in size. [Their complete calendar was 36 weeks of ten days with five intercalary days at new year.] * The Ancient Egyptians produced 'decan charts' [see right] as far back as the early New Kingdom, which still survive, the first being the 'map' on the Tomb of Senmut [c 1500 BC]. There are no constellations on these 'maps', only decans. Each decan has its own god. * No information has been found to suggest that the Ancient Egyptians were at all interested in the Equinoxes - indeed they did not have any religious festivals associated with them. The seasons were much less important in Egypt than the annual Nile food. * We have no evidence of any sort of long-timescale keeping of astrological records [i.e.. planetary movements, heliacal star risings] in Egypt until the Greco-Roman period. It would be very difficult to discover the concept of the Movement of the Ages without these. * The Egyptians, until they received it from the Greeks, did not have the concept of a Celestial Sphere. It's very difficult to come up with the concept of Movement of the Ages without such a frame of reference. * From the above it probably not surprising to learn that there is no evidence anywhere in any Egyptian writings of any period that they possessed the concept of an Astrological Age [i.e. one associated via the Vernal Equinox Point with a particular Zodiac Constellation.] The Northern [bottom] and Southern [Top] Panel 'Decan Chart' from the Tomb of Senmut [c 1500 BC]. [in reality this panel is about 4 m long.] This is the earliest Egyptian 'decan chart,' that appears on a tomb, rather than inside a coffin. It is also the first 'decan chart' that has associated planets. The two left hand figures in the boats in the south panel have been identified by Egyptologists as representing what we would now call the planets Saturn and Jupiter. The figure in the boat next to the them is the star we now call Sirius, but for the Ancient Egyptians was related to Isis. As always in the decan system, she is occupying the 36th and last decan. [The decans read right to left.] The decans follow the fairly standard order seen in decans dating back to their first known instance in the Egyptian record around 2100 BC in the Middle Kingdom. However, it should be noted that Saturn and Jupiter are not located in decans, i.e. the decans are not being used by the Egyptians to record the position of Saturn and Jupiter in particular places in the heavens, as the Zodiac Signs in a modern astrology chart would be used to do for planets. This is a later Babylonian idea that was still a thousand years in the future. The decan system was actually used as a clock for time keeping in the night hours and through the year - modern Egyptologists call them Egyptian sidereal clocks. The Star of Osiris. As an example of how our modern mind set imposes concepts on the Ancients take the example of Osiris. You can find written frequently that he's associated with the constellation Orion. In fact, the ancient Egyptians believed that the stars of the sky represented the bas of individual souls, i.e. one star meant one soul. Deities were associated with the heavens, but only with single stars, such as, as mentioned above, Isis with the star we now call Sirius. In the Senmuts tomb, for example, Osiris is associated with the star known as hr rmn s3hu, a star under the arm of what we would now call Orion. Other stars in what we call Orion are associated with the god Horus or with Horus' children. ============================ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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