dear sir,what does 5th lord in 7th house mean?

[Guest guest]

Dear Namrata

 

Yes, it can give love marriage.

It is better you post birth details to confirm the above combination.

 

Kind regards

Sudhir

--

 

 

-

namrata_syal

Monday, October 12, 2009 1:19 AM

dear sir,what does 5th lord in 7th house mean?

 

 

is it bad for relationship?or does it result into love marriage?how can we

see that the love affair can turn into marriage?

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Nmarata Ji,

An interesting question.Yes the connectivity of 5th and 7th houses brings into

emotions and love.7th represents spouse and if gets related to 5th then spouse

could be person of your choice.Then you need also to check position of

dispositors of 5th and 7th houses where they are and how ell they are palced to

facilitate into marraige.if malefic planets like saturn,sun and mars influence

7th,possibility to end up marraige will be difficult or the relationship after

marraige to may land into troubles.

 

 

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

 

 

--- On Sun, 10/11/09, namrata_syal <namrata_syal wrote:

 

 

namrata_syal <namrata_syal

dear sir,what does 5th lord in 7th house mean?

 

Sunday, October 11, 2009, 3:49 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

is it bad for relationship? or does it result into love marriage?how can we see

that the love affair can turn into marriage?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

vattem ji,thank you for your assistance..my daughter has the same placement..but

she is having mars in 5th house and 7th house is free from malefic planets..what

does this signify?

dear sir,i am also learning astrology..can you please let me know that how to

see yogas for divorce/separation in the chart?

thank you once again for your assistance..

 

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

>

> Nmarata Ji,

> An interesting question.Yes the connectivity of 5th and 7th houses brings into

emotions and love.7th represents spouse and if gets related to 5th then spouse

could be person of your choice.Then you need also to check position of

dispositors of 5th and 7th houses where they are and how ell they are palced to

facilitate into marraige.if malefic planets like saturn,sun and mars influence

7th,possibility to end up marraige will be difficult or the relationship after

marraige to may land into troubles.

>

>

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

>  

>

> --- On Sun, 10/11/09, namrata_syal <namrata_syal wrote:

>

>

> namrata_syal <namrata_syal

> dear sir,what does 5th lord in 7th house mean?

>

> Sunday, October 11, 2009, 3:49 PM

>

>

>  

>

>

>

> is it bad for relationship? or does it result into love marriage?how can we

see that the love affair can turn into marriage?

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

[Guest guest]

vattem ji,so you mean to say that this signifies a serious love affair but the

marriage is seen from other prospects?

somewhere in your post i read that this placement travails the

relationship....is this true?

 

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

>

> Nmarata Ji,

> An interesting question.Yes the connectivity of 5th and 7th houses brings into

emotions and love.7th represents spouse and if gets related to 5th then spouse

could be person of your choice.Then you need also to check position of

dispositors of 5th and 7th houses where they are and how ell they are palced to

facilitate into marraige.if malefic planets like saturn,sun and mars influence

7th,possibility to end up marraige will be difficult or the relationship after

marraige to may land into troubles.

>

>

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

>  

>

> --- On Sun, 10/11/09, namrata_syal <namrata_syal wrote:

>

>

> namrata_syal <namrata_syal

> dear sir,what does 5th lord in 7th house mean?

>

> Sunday, October 11, 2009, 3:49 PM

>

>

>  

>

>

>

> is it bad for relationship? or does it result into love marriage?how can we

see that the love affair can turn into marriage?

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Krishna ji,

 

With all due respects, I have been seeying this love marriage being associated

with 5th all over the internet.

 

I don't expect to correct you or others, because I am aware that some of these

neo ideas where propagated by much " famous scholars " and I am a very small fry.

 

However I would like you and the members to think about the following

 

5th is santhana sthana, pragjna sthana, mantra sthana

The Karaka for each of the above is Jupiter alone - the Guru.

 

4th is Matru sthana, Mana sthana , griha sthana, Vahana Sthana, vidhya sthana,

suhrit sthana

The karaka for each are

Matru  - Moon in general

Sookshma karaka

Day Birth : Venus is mother & Moon is Mother's Sister

Night Birth: Moon is mother & Venus is Mother's Sister

Mana  : Moon

Griha  : Venus

Vahana : Venus

Vidhya : Mercury

Suhrit : Venus & Mercury

 

So you can see the logic of assigning all the three Moon, Venus & Mercury as

Karakas for the 4th.

 

7th is Kalatra Sthana & Karaka is Venus alone

 

Another paryaya for Venus is given as " Sneha " that is love. It has also another

meaning : Ghee which is a lubricant also - Fat.

 

Now Love is an infactuation of the emotional state of mind.

Love can be between 

son & mother

brothers & sisters

between friends (atma suhrit)

a human being  & his pet dog or any other animal

a human being & his vehicle (yes! I have seen it)

a person & his god

husband & wife (even if it is arranged marriage)

 

In all the above we can see that the bond of love is a state of emotion and is

related to 4th house. You might have seen people who have gone mental truma due

to accindents even, are emotionaly dead.

 

Jupiter is Guru & He is the remover / enemy of ignorence. Where in

the scriptures is he depicted as a god of Love?.

 

Just because the love between a boy & girl will result in children qualify 5th

house for love marriage? How many love birds thus married / " living together "

are without children or voluntorily decide not have children. So how can we

associate 5th house with love marriage. Doesn't those who had arranged marriage

have children?

 

Karaka of 5th & karaka of 7th are natural enemies as well. What kind of love

will be there between a danava guru & daithya guru

 

Is in't prudent to stick to core basics of logic to understand horoscopes?

 

The relationship between 4th house & its karakas, 7th house & its karaka , their

lords, Lord of Lagna &  lord of & 7th  would  be  better candidates to love

marriage.

 

I fact do remember that assciation between 5th house/lord & 7th house/lord is

said to result in various kinds of marital problems some Visible to others &

some not.

 

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

   

 

 

 

 

 

  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99

 

Mon, October 12, 2009 11:39:37 AM

Re: dear sir,what does 5th lord in 7th house mean?

 

 

Nmarata Ji,

An interesting question.Yes the connectivity of 5th and 7th houses brings into

emotions and love.7th represents spouse and if gets related to 5th then spouse

could be person of your choice.Then you need also to check position of

dispositors of 5th and 7th houses where they are and how ell they are palced to

facilitate into marraige.if malefic planets like saturn,sun and mars influence

7th,possibility to end up marraige will be difficult or the relationship after

marraige to may land into troubles.

 

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

 

 

--- On Sun, 10/11/09, namrata_syal <namrata_syal@ > wrote:

 

namrata_syal <namrata_syal@ >

dear sir,what does 5th lord in 7th house mean?

 

Sunday, October 11, 2009, 3:49 PM

 

 

 

is it bad for relationship? or does it result into love marriage?how can we see

that the love affair can turn into marriage?

 

 

[Guest guest]

/*hraum krishnaya namah*/

Dear Namrta,

 

Yes, this is yoga which gives love marriage as an attitude, now check

Upapada. If its connected to Shukra, seventh lord and Venus influence

seventh bhava in D9 it will manifest as marriage.

 

 

 

Regards,

Rafal Gendarz

SJC Jyotish Guru

--------------

/*Consultations & Pages*

http://rohinaa.com

rafal

starsuponme /

 

namrata_syal pisze:

>

>

> is it bad for relationship?or does it result into love marriage?how

> can we see that the love affair can turn into marriage?

>

>

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Friend,

Nice you are interested in laraning AStrology.So You knaow 5th house ,an

importnat house after lagna is trikona has many thing that signifies.our of this

emtions and friendships might be small issue togetehr with 7th house.

As a student of Astrologer 7th signifis all your contacts and relationships

including that of the wife spouse.

Your daughter having mrs in 5th signifies technical higher education,her

inteelect and alsoher poorva janma.Mars as malefic palnet in in kona gives

beniifc result.Being putr sthana it indicates possibility of your daughetr

getting blessed with a male son depending on the nature of sign in whch mars is

palced.There is to clarify on this and good book of Shri M.N.Kwdar on Predictive

Astrology will help you further to know significances 05th in relation to 7th.

& th lord in 12th.7th lord in 6th and 8th point out problems in married life.Even

if no planets are there in 7th,placement of 7th lord with malefics.aspects of

malefics on 7th and 7th lord and dasa,placement of dasalord signifies

divorce.These issue are very complex and are to be studied from navamsa point

also.

 

 

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

 

 

--- On Mon, 10/12/09, secureyoursuccess <secureyoursuccess wrote:

 

 

secureyoursuccess <secureyoursuccess

Re: dear sir,what does 5th lord in 7th house mean?

 

Monday, October 12, 2009, 2:31 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

vattem ji,thank you for your assistance.. my daughter has the same

placement..but she is having mars in 5th house and 7th house is free from

malefic planets..what does this signify?

dear sir,i am also learning astrology..can you please let me know that how to

see yogas for divorce/separation in the chart?

thank you once again for your assistance..

 

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ..>

wrote:

>

> Nmarata Ji,

> An interesting question.Yes the connectivity of 5th and 7th houses brings into

emotions and love.7th represents spouse and if gets related to 5th then spouse

could be person of your choice.Then you need also to check position of

dispositors of 5th and 7th houses where they are and how ell they are palced to

facilitate into marraige.if malefic planets like saturn,sun and mars influence

7th,possibility to end up marraige will be difficult or the relationship after

marraige to may land into troubles.

>

>

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

>  

>

> --- On Sun, 10/11/09, namrata_syal <namrata_syal@ ...> wrote:

>

>

> namrata_syal <namrata_syal@ ...>

> dear sir,what does 5th lord in 7th house mean?

>

> Sunday, October 11, 2009, 3:49 PM

>

>

>  

>

>

>

> is it bad for relationship? or does it result into love marriage?how can we

see that the love affair can turn into marriage?

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

[Guest guest]

suresh ji,vattem ji and all respected astrologers..

suresh ji u mean that relation between 4th and 7th house is the indicative of

love marriage?can you please explain us that how is it so?as i think that 4th

house is the house of moon whcih generally related to mother..i even read

somewhere that 2nd house whcih is called house of family relation to 7th house

also indicate love marriage..please clear our doubt..also i would like to know

the defination of love marriage in astrology..does it mean going against your

parents and marryng someone or does it mean love cum arranged marriage...please

assist and help us to learn..

 

, " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag

wrote:

>

> Dear Krishna ji,

>

> With all due respects, I have been seeying this love marriage being associated

with 5th all over the internet.

>

> I don't expect to correct you or others, because I am aware that some of these

neo ideas where propagated by much " famous scholars " and I am a very small fry.

>

> However I would like you and the members to think about the following

>

> 5th is santhana sthana, pragjna sthana, mantra sthana

> The Karaka for each of the above is Jupiter alone - the Guru.

>

> 4th is Matru sthana, Mana sthana , griha sthana, Vahana Sthana, vidhya sthana,

suhrit sthana

> The karaka for each are

> Matru  - Moon in general

> Sookshma karaka

> Day Birth : Venus is mother & Moon is Mother's Sister

> Night Birth: Moon is mother & Venus is Mother's Sister

> Mana  : Moon

> Griha  : Venus

> Vahana : Venus

> Vidhya : Mercury

> Suhrit : Venus & Mercury

>

> So you can see the logic of assigning all the three Moon, Venus & Mercury as

Karakas for the 4th.

>

> 7th is Kalatra Sthana & Karaka is Venus alone

>

> Another paryaya for Venus is given as " Sneha " that is love. It has also

another meaning : Ghee which is a lubricant also - Fat.

>

> Now Love is an infactuation of the emotional state of mind.

> Love can be between 

> son & mother

> brothers & sisters

> between friends (atma suhrit)

> a human being  & his pet dog or any other animal

> a human being & his vehicle (yes! I have seen it)

> a person & his god

> husband & wife (even if it is arranged marriage)

>

> In all the above we can see that the bond of love is a state of emotion and is

related to 4th house. You might have seen people who have gone mental truma due

to accindents even, are emotionaly dead.

>

> Jupiter is Guru & He is the remover / enemy of ignorence. Where in

the scriptures is he depicted as a god of Love?.

>

> Just because the love between a boy & girl will result in children qualify 5th

house for love marriage? How many love birds thus married / " living together "

are without children or voluntorily decide not have children. So how can we

associate 5th house with love marriage. Doesn't those who had arranged marriage

have children?

>

> Karaka of 5th & karaka of 7th are natural enemies as well. What kind of love

will be there between a danava guru & daithya guru

>

> Is in't prudent to stick to core basics of logic to understand horoscopes?

>

> The relationship between 4th house & its karakas, 7th house & its karaka ,

their lords, Lord of Lagna &  lord of & 7th  would  be  better candidates to love

marriage.

>

> I fact do remember that assciation between 5th house/lord & 7th house/lord is

said to result in various kinds of marital problems some Visible to others &

some not.

>

> A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

>    

>

>

>

>

>

>   

>

>

>

>

 

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99

>

> Mon, October 12, 2009 11:39:37 AM

> Re: dear sir,what does 5th lord in 7th house mean?

>

>  

> Nmarata Ji,

> An interesting question.Yes the connectivity of 5th and 7th houses brings into

emotions and love.7th represents spouse and if gets related to 5th then spouse

could be person of your choice.Then you need also to check position of

dispositors of 5th and 7th houses where they are and how ell they are palced to

facilitate into marraige.if malefic planets like saturn,sun and mars influence

7th,possibility to end up marraige will be difficult or the relationship after

marraige to may land into troubles.

>

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

>  

>

> --- On Sun, 10/11/09, namrata_syal <namrata_syal@ > wrote:

>

> namrata_syal <namrata_syal@ >

> dear sir,what does 5th lord in 7th house mean?

>

> Sunday, October 11, 2009, 3:49 PM

>

>  

>

> is it bad for relationship? or does it result into love marriage?how can we

see that the love affair can turn into marriage?

>

>

[Guest guest]

This only shows bond of love between a couple, These are the astrologers who

conclude love marriage also.

 

regards,

Utkal.

 

, " sudhir " <taurus.sudhir wrote:

>

> Dear Namrata

>

> Yes, it can give love marriage.

> It is better you post birth details to confirm the above combination.

>

> Kind regards

> Sudhir

>

--

>

>

> -

> namrata_syal

>

> Monday, October 12, 2009 1:19 AM

> dear sir,what does 5th lord in 7th house mean?

>

>

> is it bad for relationship?or does it result into love marriage?how can we

see that the love affair can turn into marriage?

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Utkal

 

here he has merely said what is the possible outcome

 

he DID not suggest what u imply [more in sarcasm]

 

 

if u have a view pl put it accross not this way...

 

 

 

 

 

 

________________________________

utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi

 

Mon, October 12, 2009 10:18:37 PM

Re: dear sir,what does 5th lord in 7th house mean?

 

 

This only shows bond of love between a couple, These are the astrologers who

conclude love marriage also.

 

regards,

Utkal.

 

, " sudhir " <taurus.sudhir@ ...> wrote:

>

> Dear Namrata

>

> Yes, it can give love marriage.

> It is better you post birth details to confirm the above combination.

>

> Kind regards

> Sudhir

> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

>

>

> -

> namrata_syal

>

> Monday, October 12, 2009 1:19 AM

> dear sir,what does 5th lord in 7th house mean?

>

>

> is it bad for relationship? or does it result into love marriage?how can

we see that the love affair can turn into marriage?

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Namrata Syal,

 

I am not sure why you are keen on this love affair. However, Since you asked

about the effects of 5th lord in the 7th, I shall give you the quotes from

various classical texts.

 

 

Parashar

Suteshe saptame maanii sarvadharmasmanvitaH

Putraadisukhayuktashcha paropakaraNe rataH

 

If the 5th lord is in the 7th , the native shall be respectable of righteous

deeds and all virtues,

Have happiness like from children & be very kind to help others.

 

Manasagari

Tanayapatau saptamage

svasutaaH subhagaashcadevagurubhaktaaH

priyavaadiniisusheelaa

narasyananujaayatedayitaa.

 

His son shall be very lucky & will be devoted to god & guru. His wife shall

speak sweetly & have very good character.

 

Jatakadesham

paapaH paapekshito vaa yadi balarahitaH

paapavarggasthito vaa

putrasthaanaadhipo vaa

mritibhavanapatirmmaandiraashiishvaro vaa

niichasthashchaamareDyo madhupagatasitaH

paapasaMyuktashukraH

kuryuste daaranaashaM madanamupagataaH

saumyayogeskhaNonaaH..

 

Melefic aspected by malefic

Malefic devoid of strength

Malefic having malefic vargas

5th lord

8th lord

Dispositor of Gulika

Debilated Jupiter

Venus in vrischika sign

Venus along with Malefic

If any of the above occurs in the 7th and doesn't have benefic association or

aspect, spouse shall die.

 

None of the above does not even hint about love marriage. The maximum they go is

as far as saying that the person (spouce) shall speak very sweatly and will be

full of good virtues.

 

At the Jatakadesa gives a different effect, that if the 5th lord is placed in

the 7th, the spouce shall die If it is not associated or aspected by benefics.

(this might be during pregnancy).

 

sweat talikng need not end up in love or marriage always and atleast in India ,

good virtues implies that they does not go against traditional customes. Hence,

it is rare that such people end up in love marriage. I am not implying that

those having love marriages doesn't not good virtues, only that most are against

customes and even against the wishes of parents. A cat is a cat & spade a spade

not matter what you paint them with.

 

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " namrata_syal " <namrata_syal

wrote:

>

> suresh ji,vattem ji and all respected astrologers..

> suresh ji u mean that relation between 4th and 7th house is the indicative of

love marriage?can you please explain us that how is it so?as i think that 4th

house is the house of moon whcih generally related to mother..i even read

somewhere that 2nd house whcih is called house of family relation to 7th house

also indicate love marriage..please clear our doubt..also i would like to know

the defination of love marriage in astrology..does it mean going against your

parents and marryng someone or does it mean love cum arranged marriage...please

assist and help us to learn..

>

> , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Krishna ji,

> >

> > With all due respects, I have been seeying this love marriage being

associated with 5th all over the internet.

> >

> > I don't expect to correct you or others, because I am aware that some of

these neo ideas where propagated by much " famous scholars " and I am a very small

fry.

> >

> > However I would like you and the members to think about the following

> >

> > 5th is santhana sthana, pragjna sthana, mantra sthana

> > The Karaka for each of the above is Jupiter alone - the Guru.

> >

> > 4th is Matru sthana, Mana sthana , griha sthana, Vahana Sthana, vidhya

sthana, suhrit sthana

> > The karaka for each are

> > Matru  - Moon in general

> > Sookshma karaka

> > Day Birth : Venus is mother & Moon is Mother's Sister

> > Night Birth: Moon is mother & Venus is Mother's Sister

> > Mana  : Moon

> > Griha  : Venus

> > Vahana : Venus

> > Vidhya : Mercury

> > Suhrit : Venus & Mercury

> >

> > So you can see the logic of assigning all the three Moon, Venus & Mercury as

Karakas for the 4th.

> >

> > 7th is Kalatra Sthana & Karaka is Venus alone

> >

> > Another paryaya for Venus is given as " Sneha " that is love. It has also

another meaning : Ghee which is a lubricant also - Fat.

> >

> > Now Love is an infactuation of the emotional state of mind.

> > Love can be between 

> > son & mother

> > brothers & sisters

> > between friends (atma suhrit)

> > a human being  & his pet dog or any other animal

> > a human being & his vehicle (yes! I have seen it)

> > a person & his god

> > husband & wife (even if it is arranged marriage)

> >

> > In all the above we can see that the bond of love is a state of emotion and

is related to 4th house. You might have seen people who have gone mental truma

due to accindents even, are emotionaly dead.

> >

> > Jupiter is Guru & He is the remover / enemy of ignorence. Where in

the scriptures is he depicted as a god of Love?.

> >

> > Just because the love between a boy & girl will result in children qualify

5th house for love marriage? How many love birds thus married / " living

together " are without children or voluntorily decide not have children. So how

can we associate 5th house with love marriage. Doesn't those who had arranged

marriage have children?

> >

> > Karaka of 5th & karaka of 7th are natural enemies as well. What kind of love

will be there between a danava guru & daithya guru

> >

> > Is in't prudent to stick to core basics of logic to understand horoscopes?

> >

> > The relationship between 4th house & its karakas, 7th house & its karaka ,

their lords, Lord of Lagna &  lord of & 7th  would  be  better candidates to love

marriage.

> >

> > I fact do remember that assciation between 5th house/lord & 7th house/lord

is said to result in various kinds of marital problems some Visible to others &

some not.

> >

> > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> >

> >    

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >   

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >  

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

> >

> > Mon, October 12, 2009 11:39:37 AM

> > Re: dear sir,what does 5th lord in 7th house mean?

> >

> >  

> > Nmarata Ji,

> > An interesting question.Yes the connectivity of 5th and 7th houses brings

into emotions and love.7th represents spouse and if gets related to 5th then

spouse could be person of your choice.Then you need also to check position of

dispositors of 5th and 7th houses where they are and how ell they are palced to

facilitate into marraige.if malefic planets like saturn,sun and mars influence

7th,possibility to end up marraige will be difficult or the relationship after

marraige to may land into troubles.

> >

> > Vattem Krishnan

> > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > (For all counseling services)

> >  

> >

> > --- On Sun, 10/11/09, namrata_syal <namrata_syal@ > wrote:

> >

> > namrata_syal <namrata_syal@ >

> > dear sir,what does 5th lord in 7th house mean?

> >

> > Sunday, October 11, 2009, 3:49 PM

> >

> >  

> >

> > is it bad for relationship? or does it result into love marriage?how can we

see that the love affair can turn into marriage?

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Dear Namrata syal,

 

By the way, forgot to mention that I have 5th lord in the 7th and mine was not a

love marriage, a traditional arranged marriage and surely we love each other.

 

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy.

 

 

 

 

 

, " Suresh Babu " <sureshbabuag wrote:

>

> Dear Namrata Syal,

>

> I am not sure why you are keen on this love affair. However, Since you asked

about the effects of 5th lord in the 7th, I shall give you the quotes from

various classical texts.

>

>

> Parashar

> Suteshe saptame maanii sarvadharmasmanvitaH

> Putraadisukhayuktashcha paropakaraNe rataH

>

> If the 5th lord is in the 7th , the native shall be respectable of righteous

deeds and all virtues,

> Have happiness like from children & be very kind to help others.

>

> Manasagari

> Tanayapatau saptamage

> svasutaaH subhagaashcadevagurubhaktaaH

> priyavaadiniisusheelaa

> narasyananujaayatedayitaa.

>

> His son shall be very lucky & will be devoted to god & guru. His wife shall

speak sweetly & have very good character.

>

> Jatakadesham

> paapaH paapekshito vaa yadi balarahitaH

> paapavarggasthito vaa

> putrasthaanaadhipo vaa

> mritibhavanapatirmmaandiraashiishvaro vaa

> niichasthashchaamareDyo madhupagatasitaH

> paapasaMyuktashukraH

> kuryuste daaranaashaM madanamupagataaH

> saumyayogeskhaNonaaH..

>

> Melefic aspected by malefic

> Malefic devoid of strength

> Malefic having malefic vargas

> 5th lord

> 8th lord

> Dispositor of Gulika

> Debilated Jupiter

> Venus in vrischika sign

> Venus along with Malefic

> If any of the above occurs in the 7th and doesn't have benefic association or

aspect, spouse shall die.

>

> None of the above does not even hint about love marriage. The maximum they go

is as far as saying that the person (spouce) shall speak very sweatly and will

be full of good virtues.

>

> At the Jatakadesa gives a different effect, that if the 5th lord is placed in

the 7th, the spouce shall die If it is not associated or aspected by benefics.

(this might be during pregnancy).

>

> sweat talikng need not end up in love or marriage always and atleast in India

, good virtues implies that they does not go against traditional customes.

Hence, it is rare that such people end up in love marriage. I am not implying

that those having love marriages doesn't not good virtues, only that most are

against customes and even against the wishes of parents. A cat is a cat & spade

a spade not matter what you paint them with.

>

> A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

, " namrata_syal " <namrata_syal@> wrote:

> >

> > suresh ji,vattem ji and all respected astrologers..

> > suresh ji u mean that relation between 4th and 7th house is the indicative

of love marriage?can you please explain us that how is it so?as i think that 4th

house is the house of moon whcih generally related to mother..i even read

somewhere that 2nd house whcih is called house of family relation to 7th house

also indicate love marriage..please clear our doubt..also i would like to know

the defination of love marriage in astrology..does it mean going against your

parents and marryng someone or does it mean love cum arranged marriage...please

assist and help us to learn..

> >

> > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Krishna ji,

> > >

> > > With all due respects, I have been seeying this love marriage being

associated with 5th all over the internet.

> > >

> > > I don't expect to correct you or others, because I am aware that some of

these neo ideas where propagated by much " famous scholars " and I am a very small

fry.

> > >

> > > However I would like you and the members to think about the following

> > >

> > > 5th is santhana sthana, pragjna sthana, mantra sthana

> > > The Karaka for each of the above is Jupiter alone - the Guru.

> > >

> > > 4th is Matru sthana, Mana sthana , griha sthana, Vahana Sthana, vidhya

sthana, suhrit sthana

> > > The karaka for each are

> > > Matru  - Moon in general

> > > Sookshma karaka

> > > Day Birth : Venus is mother & Moon is Mother's Sister

> > > Night Birth: Moon is mother & Venus is Mother's Sister

> > > Mana  : Moon

> > > Griha  : Venus

> > > Vahana : Venus

> > > Vidhya : Mercury

> > > Suhrit : Venus & Mercury

> > >

> > > So you can see the logic of assigning all the three Moon, Venus & Mercury

as Karakas for the 4th.

> > >

> > > 7th is Kalatra Sthana & Karaka is Venus alone

> > >

> > > Another paryaya for Venus is given as " Sneha " that is love. It has also

another meaning : Ghee which is a lubricant also - Fat.

> > >

> > > Now Love is an infactuation of the emotional state of mind.

> > > Love can be between 

> > > son & mother

> > > brothers & sisters

> > > between friends (atma suhrit)

> > > a human being  & his pet dog or any other animal

> > > a human being & his vehicle (yes! I have seen it)

> > > a person & his god

> > > husband & wife (even if it is arranged marriage)

> > >

> > > In all the above we can see that the bond of love is a state of emotion

and is related to 4th house. You might have seen people who have gone mental

truma due to accindents even, are emotionaly dead.

> > >

> > > Jupiter is Guru & He is the remover / enemy of ignorence. Where in

the scriptures is he depicted as a god of Love?.

> > >

> > > Just because the love between a boy & girl will result in children qualify

5th house for love marriage? How many love birds thus married / " living

together " are without children or voluntorily decide not have children. So how

can we associate 5th house with love marriage. Doesn't those who had arranged

marriage have children?

> > >

> > > Karaka of 5th & karaka of 7th are natural enemies as well. What kind of

love will be there between a danava guru & daithya guru

> > >

> > > Is in't prudent to stick to core basics of logic to understand horoscopes?

> > >

> > > The relationship between 4th house & its karakas, 7th house & its karaka ,

their lords, Lord of Lagna &  lord of & 7th  would  be  better candidates to love

marriage.

> > >

> > > I fact do remember that assciation between 5th house/lord & 7th house/lord

is said to result in various kinds of marital problems some Visible to others &

some not.

> > >

> > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > >

> > >    

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >   

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >  

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

> > >

> > > Mon, October 12, 2009 11:39:37 AM

> > > Re: dear sir,what does 5th lord in 7th house mean?

> > >

> > >  

> > > Nmarata Ji,

> > > An interesting question.Yes the connectivity of 5th and 7th houses brings

into emotions and love.7th represents spouse and if gets related to 5th then

spouse could be person of your choice.Then you need also to check position of

dispositors of 5th and 7th houses where they are and how ell they are palced to

facilitate into marraige.if malefic planets like saturn,sun and mars influence

7th,possibility to end up marraige will be difficult or the relationship after

marraige to may land into troubles.

> > >

> > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > (For all counseling services)

> > >  

> > >

> > > --- On Sun, 10/11/09, namrata_syal <namrata_syal@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > namrata_syal <namrata_syal@ >

> > > dear sir,what does 5th lord in 7th house mean?

> > >

> > > Sunday, October 11, 2009, 3:49 PM

> > >

> > >  

> > >

> > > is it bad for relationship? or does it result into love marriage?how can

we see that the love affair can turn into marriage?

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

/*hraum krishnaya namah*/

Dear Namrta,

 

Suresh point about Moon vs Venus is correct when it comes to love vs

passion/romance.

 

However I disagree to see forth house for love, based on following

arguments:

 

* eleventh house from any bhava shows what is needed for that bhava

- its love

* eleventh house also shows gain/outcome, therefore fifth shows progeny

 

Jupiter is main karaka, but there are also sub-karakas, and Moon is one

of them as Fifht house shows what in your mind, whilst forth house shows

how is your mind (oversensitive etc).

 

Fifht house is for viveka, Lagna is for percpetion, forth house is for

health of mind (mana).

 

I also agree with other jyotisha, that fifth lord in seventh doesnt

constitute yoga for love-marriage - it shows love in the marriage, or

strong emotions whilst starting relationship.

 

Kind of vivaaha - gandharva - is seen mainly from Navamsa. Therefore I

have stated before that Shukra influcencing seventh bhava in D9 shows

love marriage. Same can be done with Upapada.

 

Upapada connected to mrtyua pada or Shani shows arranged marriage. You

can test this on few charts.

 

 

 

Regards,

Rafal Gendarz

SJC Jyotish Guru

--------------

/*Consultations & Pages*

http://rohinaa.com

rafal

starsuponme /

 

namrata_syal pisze:

>

>

> suresh ji,vattem ji and all respected astrologers. .

> suresh ji u mean that relation between 4th and 7th house is the

> indicative of love marriage?can you please explain us that how is it

> so?as i think that 4th house is the house of moon whcih generally

> related to mother..i even read somewhere that 2nd house whcih is

> called house of family relation to 7th house also indicate love

> marriage..please clear our doubt..also i would like to know the

> defination of love marriage in astrology..does it mean going against

> your parents and marryng someone or does it mean love cum arranged

> marriage...please assist and help us to learn..

>

>

> <%40>, " Suresh Babu.A.G "

> <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Krishna ji,

> >

> > With all due respects, I have been seeying this love marriage being

> associated with 5th all over the internet.

> >

> > I don't expect to correct you or others, because I am aware that

> some of these neo ideas where propagated by much " famous scholars " and

> I am a very small fry.

> >

> > However I would like you and the members to think about the following

> >

> > 5th is santhana sthana, pragjna sthana, mantra sthana

> > The Karaka for each of the above is Jupiter alone - the Guru.

> >

> > 4th is Matru sthana, Mana sthana , griha sthana, Vahana Sthana,

> vidhya sthana, suhrit sthana

> > The karaka for each are

> > Matru - Moon in general

> > Sookshma karaka

> > Day Birth : Venus is mother & Moon is Mother's Sister

> > Night Birth: Moon is mother & Venus is Mother's Sister

> > Mana : Moon

> > Griha : Venus

> > Vahana : Venus

> > Vidhya : Mercury

> > Suhrit : Venus & Mercury

> >

> > So you can see the logic of assigning all the three Moon, Venus &

> Mercury as Karakas for the 4th.

> >

> > 7th is Kalatra Sthana & Karaka is Venus alone

> >

> > Another paryaya for Venus is given as " Sneha " that is love. It has

> also another meaning : Ghee which is a lubricant also - Fat.

> >

> > Now Love is an infactuation of the emotional state of mind.

> > Love can be between

> > son & mother

> > brothers & sisters

> > between friends (atma suhrit)

> > a human being & his pet dog or any other animal

> > a human being & his vehicle (yes! I have seen it)

> > a person & his god

> > husband & wife (even if it is arranged marriage)

> >

> > In all the above we can see that the bond of love is a state of

> emotion and is related to 4th house. You might have seen people who

> have gone mental truma due to accindents even, are emotionaly dead.

> >

> > Jupiter is Guru & He is the remover / enemy of ignorence. Where in

> the scriptures is he depicted as a god of Love?.

> >

> > Just because the love between a boy & girl will result in children

> qualify 5th house for love marriage? How many love birds thus married

> / " living together " are without children or voluntorily decide not

> have children. So how can we associate 5th house with love marriage.

> Doesn't those who had arranged marriage have children?

> >

> > Karaka of 5th & karaka of 7th are natural enemies as well. What kind

> of love will be there between a danava guru & daithya guru

> >

> > Is in't prudent to stick to core basics of logic to understand

> horoscopes?

> >

> > The relationship between 4th house & its karakas, 7th house & its

> karaka , their lords, Lord of Lagna & lord of & 7th would be better

> candidates to love marriage.

> >

> > I fact do remember that assciation between 5th house/lord & 7th

> house/lord is said to result in various kinds of marital problems some

> Visible to others & some not.

> >

> > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ..>

> >

> <%40>

> > Mon, October 12, 2009 11:39:37 AM

> > Re: dear sir,what does 5th lord in 7th house mean?

> >

> >

> > Nmarata Ji,

> > An interesting question.Yes the connectivity of 5th and 7th houses

> brings into emotions and love.7th represents spouse and if gets

> related to 5th then spouse could be person of your choice.Then you

> need also to check position of dispositors of 5th and 7th houses where

> they are and how ell they are palced to facilitate into marraige.if

> malefic planets like saturn,sun and mars influence 7th,possibility to

> end up marraige will be difficult or the relationship after marraige

> to may land into troubles.

> >

> > Vattem Krishnan

> > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > (For all counseling services)

> >

> >

> > --- On Sun, 10/11/09, namrata_syal <namrata_syal@ > wrote:

> >

> > namrata_syal <namrata_syal@ >

> > dear sir,what does 5th lord in 7th house mean?

> >

> > Sunday, October 11, 2009, 3:49 PM

> >

> >

> >

> > is it bad for relationship? or does it result into love marriage?how

> can we see that the love affair can turn into marriage?

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

 

Dear Namrata,

What Shri Suresh Ji, has mentioned for the relation to sustain and culminate as

love marriage you need to have blessings  for the girl of deva guru jupiter

being karak.However sukra known to be diatya guru has to bless the boy either

for fulfilling his emotional intentions or to have life partner to shre his

life.how ever yet the wonder remains how jupiter and venus can work out an

amicable and friendly life to tackle life challenges.So  " Karaka of 5th & karaka

of 7th are natural enemies as well. " What kind

> of love will be there between a danava guru & daithya guru " .This is where the

boy and girl have to chart out their ideals for promoting the progeny and stand

united to bring ideals into the kids who ultimately arise out of 5th karakatwas.

The issue of 4th house representing mother ,the environment that exists

including well being are very important when the girl matures and becomes adult

" she is advised by mother how her relationships with male could lead to and end

up in problems.This is where mother has to take care to avoid unholy

alliances.The girl if she wants to get along with her life partner as her own

choice and do not get succumbed to daitya guru,she can work out an ideal life

relationships and promote life.

The distinction between 4th and 5th and in relation to 7th and 11th for ending

up menaningful relation the different biological make up too is to be born in

mind.Karak for girl is jupiter acclaimed as Deva Guru and for men as daitya guru

represented by venus " seems to be not reconcilable.where is mars known tamasic

planet and with out his grace how the issues get resolved is still not clear.So

the saying " Men are from Mars and women are from Venus " seems not ncorrect.

it is therfore necessary we need to thoroughly understand basics and i was going

throuh jataka chakra and i could not come across so far 5th and 7th relations

could lead to love marraige.I agree " Is in't prudent to stick to core basics of

logic to understand

> horoscopes? "

 

 

 

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

 

 

--- On Mon, 10/12/09, Rafał Gendarz <starsuponme wrote:

 

 

Rafał Gendarz <starsuponme

Re: dear sir,what does 5th lord in 7th house mean?

 

Monday, October 12, 2009, 7:27 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

/*hraum krishnaya namah*/

Dear Namrta,

 

Suresh point about Moon vs Venus is correct when it comes to love vs

passion/romance.

 

However I disagree to see forth house for love, based on following

arguments:

 

* eleventh house from any bhava shows what is needed for that bhava

- its love

* eleventh house also shows gain/outcome, therefore fifth shows progeny

 

Jupiter is main karaka, but there are also sub-karakas, and Moon is one

of them as Fifht house shows what in your mind, whilst forth house shows

how is your mind (oversensitive etc).

 

Fifht house is for viveka, Lagna is for percpetion, forth house is for

health of mind (mana).

 

I also agree with other jyotisha, that fifth lord in seventh doesnt

constitute yoga for love-marriage - it shows love in the marriage, or

strong emotions whilst starting relationship.

 

Kind of vivaaha - gandharva - is seen mainly from Navamsa. Therefore I

have stated before that Shukra influcencing seventh bhava in D9 shows

love marriage. Same can be done with Upapada.

 

Upapada connected to mrtyua pada or Shani shows arranged marriage. You

can test this on few charts.

 

Regards,

Rafal Gendarz

SJC Jyotish Guru

------------ --

/*Consultations & Pages*

http://rohinaa. com

rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com

starsuponme@ wp.pl /

 

namrata_syal pisze:

>

>

> suresh ji,vattem ji and all respected astrologers. .

> suresh ji u mean that relation between 4th and 7th house is the

> indicative of love marriage?can you please explain us that how is it

> so?as i think that 4th house is the house of moon whcih generally

> related to mother..i even read somewhere that 2nd house whcih is

> called house of family relation to 7th house also indicate love

> marriage..please clear our doubt..also i would like to know the

> defination of love marriage in astrology..does it mean going against

> your parents and marryng someone or does it mean love cum arranged

> marriage...please assist and help us to learn..

>

>

> <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>, " Suresh Babu.A.G "

> <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Krishna ji,

> >

> > With all due respects, I have been seeying this love marriage being

> associated with 5th all over the internet.

> >

> > I don't expect to correct you or others, because I am aware that

> some of these neo ideas where propagated by much " famous scholars " and

> I am a very small fry.

> >

> > However I would like you and the members to think about the following

> >

> > 5th is santhana sthana, pragjna sthana, mantra sthana

> > The Karaka for each of the above is Jupiter alone - the Guru.

> >

> > 4th is Matru sthana, Mana sthana , griha sthana, Vahana Sthana,

> vidhya sthana, suhrit sthana

> > The karaka for each are

> > Matru - Moon in general

> > Sookshma karaka

> > Day Birth : Venus is mother & Moon is Mother's Sister

> > Night Birth: Moon is mother & Venus is Mother's Sister

> > Mana : Moon

> > Griha : Venus

> > Vahana : Venus

> > Vidhya : Mercury

> > Suhrit : Venus & Mercury

> >

> > So you can see the logic of assigning all the three Moon, Venus &

> Mercury as Karakas for the 4th.

> >

> > 7th is Kalatra Sthana & Karaka is Venus alone

> >

> > Another paryaya for Venus is given as " Sneha " that is love. It has

> also another meaning : Ghee which is a lubricant also - Fat.

> >

> > Now Love is an infactuation of the emotional state of mind.

> > Love can be between

> > son & mother

> > brothers & sisters

> > between friends (atma suhrit)

> > a human being & his pet dog or any other animal

> > a human being & his vehicle (yes! I have seen it)

> > a person & his god

> > husband & wife (even if it is arranged marriage)

> >

> > In all the above we can see that the bond of love is a state of

> emotion and is related to 4th house. You might have seen people who

> have gone mental truma due to accindents even, are emotionaly dead.

> >

> > Jupiter is Guru & He is the remover / enemy of ignorence. Where in

> the scriptures is he depicted as a god of Love?.

> >

> > Just because the love between a boy & girl will result in children

> qualify 5th house for love marriage? How many love birds thus married

> / " living together " are without children or voluntorily decide not

> have children. So how can we associate 5th house with love marriage.

> Doesn't those who had arranged marriage have children?

> >

> > Karaka of 5th & karaka of 7th are natural enemies as well. What kind

> of love will be there between a danava guru & daithya guru

> >

> > Is in't prudent to stick to core basics of logic to understand

> horoscopes?

> >

> > The relationship between 4th house & its karakas, 7th house & its

> karaka , their lords, Lord of Lagna & lord of & 7th would be better

> candidates to love marriage.

> >

> > I fact do remember that assciation between 5th house/lord & 7th

> house/lord is said to result in various kinds of marital problems some

> Visible to others & some not.

> >

> > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ..>

> >

> <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>

> > Mon, October 12, 2009 11:39:37 AM

> > Re: dear sir,what does 5th lord in 7th house mean?

> >

> >

> > Nmarata Ji,

> > An interesting question.Yes the connectivity of 5th and 7th houses

> brings into emotions and love.7th represents spouse and if gets

> related to 5th then spouse could be person of your choice.Then you

> need also to check position of dispositors of 5th and 7th houses where

> they are and how ell they are palced to facilitate into marraige.if

> malefic planets like saturn,sun and mars influence 7th,possibility to

> end up marraige will be difficult or the relationship after marraige

> to may land into troubles.

> >

> > Vattem Krishnan

> > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > (For all counseling services)

> >

> >

> > --- On Sun, 10/11/09, namrata_syal <namrata_syal@ > wrote:

> >

> > namrata_syal <namrata_syal@ >

> > dear sir,what does 5th lord in 7th house mean?

> >

> > Sunday, October 11, 2009, 3:49 PM

> >

> >

> >

> > is it bad for relationship? or does it result into love marriage?how

> can we see that the love affair can turn into marriage?

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

good in put and we need to understand full implications of 5th house role in

marraige.

 

 

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

 

 

--- On Mon, 10/12/09, Suresh Babu <sureshbabuag wrote:

 

 

Suresh Babu <sureshbabuag

Re: dear sir,what does 5th lord in 7th house mean?

 

Monday, October 12, 2009, 4:01 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Namrata syal,

 

By the way, forgot to mention that I have 5th lord in the 7th and mine was not a

love marriage, a traditional arranged marriage and surely we love each other.

 

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy.

 

, " Suresh Babu " <sureshbabuag@ ...>

wrote:

>

> Dear Namrata Syal,

>

> I am not sure why you are keen on this love affair. However, Since you asked

about the effects of 5th lord in the 7th, I shall give you the quotes from

various classical texts.

>

>

> Parashar

> Suteshe saptame maanii sarvadharmasmanvita H

> Putraadisukhayuktas hcha paropakaraNe rataH

>

> If the 5th lord is in the 7th , the native shall be respectable of righteous

deeds and all virtues,

> Have happiness like from children & be very kind to help others.

>

> Manasagari

> Tanayapatau saptamage

> svasutaaH subhagaashcadevagur ubhaktaaH

> priyavaadiniisushee laa

> narasyananujaayated ayitaa.

>

> His son shall be very lucky & will be devoted to god & guru. His wife shall

speak sweetly & have very good character.

>

> Jatakadesham

> paapaH paapekshito vaa yadi balarahitaH

> paapavarggasthito vaa

> putrasthaanaadhipo vaa

> mritibhavanapatirmm aandiraashiishva ro vaa

> niichasthashchaamar eDyo madhupagatasitaH

> paapasaMyuktashukra H

> kuryuste daaranaashaM madanamupagataaH

> saumyayogeskhaNonaa H..

>

> Melefic aspected by malefic

> Malefic devoid of strength

> Malefic having malefic vargas

> 5th lord

> 8th lord

> Dispositor of Gulika

> Debilated Jupiter

> Venus in vrischika sign

> Venus along with Malefic

> If any of the above occurs in the 7th and doesn't have benefic association or

aspect, spouse shall die.

>

> None of the above does not even hint about love marriage. The maximum they go

is as far as saying that the person (spouce) shall speak very sweatly and will

be full of good virtues.

>

> At the Jatakadesa gives a different effect, that if the 5th lord is placed in

the 7th, the spouce shall die If it is not associated or aspected by benefics.

(this might be during pregnancy).

>

> sweat talikng need not end up in love or marriage always and atleast in India

, good virtues implies that they does not go against traditional customes.

Hence, it is rare that such people end up in love marriage. I am not implying

that those having love marriages doesn't not good virtues, only that most are

against customes and even against the wishes of parents. A cat is a cat & spade

a spade not matter what you paint them with.

>

> A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

, " namrata_syal " <namrata_syal@ >

wrote:

> >

> > suresh ji,vattem ji and all respected astrologers. .

> > suresh ji u mean that relation between 4th and 7th house is the indicative

of love marriage?can you please explain us that how is it so?as i think that 4th

house is the house of moon whcih generally related to mother..i even read

somewhere that 2nd house whcih is called house of family relation to 7th house

also indicate love marriage..please clear our doubt..also i would like to know

the defination of love marriage in astrology..does it mean going against your

parents and marryng someone or does it mean love cum arranged marriage...please

assist and help us to learn..

> >

> > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Krishna ji,

> > >

> > > With all due respects, I have been seeying this love marriage being

associated with 5th all over the internet.

> > >

> > > I don't expect to correct you or others, because I am aware that some of

these neo ideas where propagated by much " famous scholars " and I am a very small

fry.

> > >

> > > However I would like you and the members to think about the following

> > >

> > > 5th is santhana sthana, pragjna sthana, mantra sthana

> > > The Karaka for each of the above is Jupiter alone - the Guru.

> > >

> > > 4th is Matru sthana, Mana sthana , griha sthana, Vahana Sthana, vidhya

sthana, suhrit sthana

> > > The karaka for each are

> > > Matru  - Moon in general

> > > Sookshma karaka

> > > Day Birth : Venus is mother & Moon is Mother's Sister

> > > Night Birth: Moon is mother & Venus is Mother's Sister

> > > Mana  : Moon

> > > Griha  : Venus

> > > Vahana : Venus

> > > Vidhya : Mercury

> > > Suhrit : Venus & Mercury

> > >

> > > So you can see the logic of assigning all the three Moon, Venus & Mercury

as Karakas for the 4th.

> > >

> > > 7th is Kalatra Sthana & Karaka is Venus alone

> > >

> > > Another paryaya for Venus is given as " Sneha " that is love. It has also

another meaning : Ghee which is a lubricant also - Fat.

> > >

> > > Now Love is an infactuation of the emotional state of mind.

> > > Love can be between 

> > > son & mother

> > > brothers & sisters

> > > between friends (atma suhrit)

> > > a human being  & his pet dog or any other animal

> > > a human being & his vehicle (yes! I have seen it)

> > > a person & his god

> > > husband & wife (even if it is arranged marriage)

> > >

> > > In all the above we can see that the bond of love is a state of emotion

and is related to 4th house. You might have seen people who have gone mental

truma due to accindents even, are emotionaly dead.

> > >

> > > Jupiter is Guru & He is the remover / enemy of ignorence. Where in

the scriptures is he depicted as a god of Love?.

> > >

> > > Just because the love between a boy & girl will result in children qualify

5th house for love marriage? How many love birds thus married / " living

together " are without children or voluntorily decide not have children. So how

can we associate 5th house with love marriage. Doesn't those who had arranged

marriage have children?

> > >

> > > Karaka of 5th & karaka of 7th are natural enemies as well. What kind of

love will be there between a danava guru & daithya guru

> > >

> > > Is in't prudent to stick to core basics of logic to understand horoscopes?

> > >

> > > The relationship between 4th house & its karakas, 7th house & its karaka ,

their lords, Lord of Lagna &  lord of & 7th  would  be  better candidates to love

marriage.

> > >

> > > I fact do remember that assciation between 5th house/lord & 7th house/lord

is said to result in various kinds of marital problems some Visible to others &

some not.

> > >

> > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > >

> > >    

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >   

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >  

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

> > >

> > > Mon, October 12, 2009 11:39:37 AM

> > > Re: dear sir,what does 5th lord in 7th house mean?

> > >

> > >  

> > > Nmarata Ji,

> > > An interesting question.Yes the connectivity of 5th and 7th houses brings

into emotions and love.7th represents spouse and if gets related to 5th then

spouse could be person of your choice.Then you need also to check position of

dispositors of 5th and 7th houses where they are and how ell they are palced to

facilitate into marraige.if malefic planets like saturn,sun and mars influence

7th,possibility to end up marraige will be difficult or the relationship after

marraige to may land into troubles.

> > >

> > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > (For all counseling services)

> > >  

> > >

> > > --- On Sun, 10/11/09, namrata_syal <namrata_syal@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > namrata_syal <namrata_syal@ >

> > > dear sir,what does 5th lord in 7th house mean?

> > >

> > > Sunday, October 11, 2009, 3:49 PM

> > >

> > >  

> > >

> > > is it bad for relationship? or does it result into love marriage?how can

we see that the love affair can turn into marriage?

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Namrata ji,

It is not easy to limit the role of any house to just one aspect of lfe.2nd is

dhan bahava too besides giving means and ways to earn.it is kutumba too as it

brings fineness into various relationships.so it's link with 7th too can not be

ruled our.when we talk of kuja doasha and it's role /issues relating to

relationships Mars in 2nd,4th,7th,10th.12th and also lagan have to be seen.so

role of Mars in 5th is eveidently less.

7th does not say about marraige but talks of spouse and he/she result of

emotions and we can attirbute it's root partially to 4th and 5th.So basics need

to be understood in full perspective as karaks role can never be discounted for

marraige as per male and female charts. 

 

 

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

 

 

--- On Mon, 10/12/09, namrata_syal <namrata_syal wrote:

 

 

namrata_syal <namrata_syal

Re: dear sir,what does 5th lord in 7th house mean?

 

Monday, October 12, 2009, 12:05 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

suresh ji,vattem ji and all respected astrologers. .

suresh ji u mean that relation between 4th and 7th house is the indicative of

love marriage?can you please explain us that how is it so?as i think that 4th

house is the house of moon whcih generally related to mother..i even read

somewhere that 2nd house whcih is called house of family relation to 7th house

also indicate love marriage..please clear our doubt..also i would like to know

the defination of love marriage in astrology..does it mean going against your

parents and marryng someone or does it mean love cum arranged marriage...please

assist and help us to learn..

 

, " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...>

wrote:

>

> Dear Krishna ji,

>

> With all due respects, I have been seeying this love marriage being associated

with 5th all over the internet.

>

> I don't expect to correct you or others, because I am aware that some of these

neo ideas where propagated by much " famous scholars " and I am a very small fry.

>

> However I would like you and the members to think about the following

>

> 5th is santhana sthana, pragjna sthana, mantra sthana

> The Karaka for each of the above is Jupiter alone - the Guru.

>

> 4th is Matru sthana, Mana sthana , griha sthana, Vahana Sthana, vidhya sthana,

suhrit sthana

> The karaka for each are

> Matru  - Moon in general

> Sookshma karaka

> Day Birth : Venus is mother & Moon is Mother's Sister

> Night Birth: Moon is mother & Venus is Mother's Sister

> Mana  : Moon

> Griha  : Venus

> Vahana : Venus

> Vidhya : Mercury

> Suhrit : Venus & Mercury

>

> So you can see the logic of assigning all the three Moon, Venus & Mercury as

Karakas for the 4th.

>

> 7th is Kalatra Sthana & Karaka is Venus alone

>

> Another paryaya for Venus is given as " Sneha " that is love. It has also

another meaning : Ghee which is a lubricant also - Fat.

>

> Now Love is an infactuation of the emotional state of mind.

> Love can be between 

> son & mother

> brothers & sisters

> between friends (atma suhrit)

> a human being  & his pet dog or any other animal

> a human being & his vehicle (yes! I have seen it)

> a person & his god

> husband & wife (even if it is arranged marriage)

>

> In all the above we can see that the bond of love is a state of emotion and is

related to 4th house. You might have seen people who have gone mental truma due

to accindents even, are emotionaly dead.

>

> Jupiter is Guru & He is the remover / enemy of ignorence. Where in

the scriptures is he depicted as a god of Love?.

>

> Just because the love between a boy & girl will result in children qualify 5th

house for love marriage? How many love birds thus married / " living together "

are without children or voluntorily decide not have children. So how can we

associate 5th house with love marriage. Doesn't those who had arranged marriage

have children?

>

> Karaka of 5th & karaka of 7th are natural enemies as well. What kind of love

will be there between a danava guru & daithya guru

>

> Is in't prudent to stick to core basics of logic to understand horoscopes?

>

> The relationship between 4th house & its karakas, 7th house & its karaka ,

their lords, Lord of Lagna &  lord of & 7th  would  be  better candidates to love

marriage.

>

> I fact do remember that assciation between 5th house/lord & 7th house/lord is

said to result in various kinds of marital problems some Visible to others &

some not.

>

> A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

>    

>

>

>

>

>

>   

>

>

>

>

 

>

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ..>

>

> Mon, October 12, 2009 11:39:37 AM

> Re: dear sir,what does 5th lord in 7th house mean?

>

>  

> Nmarata Ji,

> An interesting question.Yes the connectivity of 5th and 7th houses brings into

emotions and love.7th represents spouse and if gets related to 5th then spouse

could be person of your choice.Then you need also to check position of

dispositors of 5th and 7th houses where they are and how ell they are palced to

facilitate into marraige.if malefic planets like saturn,sun and mars influence

7th,possibility to end up marraige will be difficult or the relationship after

marraige to may land into troubles.

>

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

>  

>

> --- On Sun, 10/11/09, namrata_syal <namrata_syal@ > wrote:

>

> namrata_syal <namrata_syal@ >

> dear sir,what does 5th lord in 7th house mean?

>

> Sunday, October 11, 2009, 3:49 PM

>

>  

>

> is it bad for relationship? or does it result into love marriage?how can we

see that the love affair can turn into marriage?

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Namarat,Shri Suresh Ji,and others

I like your detailed approach as these issues concerning 5th and 7th house can

never be ignored and simplified to make a universal statement.

5th being a kona it's role is much wider as it represents and marrige by

institutions is dharma.where as 7th as a kendra and signifying kama and their

mutual relationships as dharma+kama has some meaning between biological make up

leading to meaningfu marraige.But the aspect of LOVE and it's astroogical roots

are not very much seems to have not been appreciated.Marraiges in olden days

eneded up in marriage due to role of Mnamadha otherwise known as cupid.

 

 

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

 

 

--- On Mon, 10/12/09, Suresh Babu <sureshbabuag wrote:

 

 

Suresh Babu <sureshbabuag

Re: dear sir,what does 5th lord in 7th house mean?

 

Monday, October 12, 2009, 3:54 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Namrata Syal,

 

I am not sure why you are keen on this love affair. However, Since you asked

about the effects of 5th lord in the 7th, I shall give you the quotes from

various classical texts.

 

Parashar

Suteshe saptame maanii sarvadharmasmanvita H

Putraadisukhayuktas hcha paropakaraNe rataH

 

If the 5th lord is in the 7th , the native shall be respectable of righteous

deeds and all virtues,

Have happiness like from children & be very kind to help others.

 

Manasagari

Tanayapatau saptamage

svasutaaH subhagaashcadevagur ubhaktaaH

priyavaadiniisushee laa

narasyananujaayated ayitaa.

 

His son shall be very lucky & will be devoted to god & guru. His wife shall

speak sweetly & have very good character.

 

Jatakadesham

paapaH paapekshito vaa yadi balarahitaH

paapavarggasthito vaa

putrasthaanaadhipo vaa

mritibhavanapatirmm aandiraashiishva ro vaa

niichasthashchaamar eDyo madhupagatasitaH

paapasaMyuktashukra H

kuryuste daaranaashaM madanamupagataaH

saumyayogeskhaNonaa H..

 

Melefic aspected by malefic

Malefic devoid of strength

Malefic having malefic vargas

5th lord

8th lord

Dispositor of Gulika

Debilated Jupiter

Venus in vrischika sign

Venus along with Malefic

If any of the above occurs in the 7th and doesn't have benefic association or

aspect, spouse shall die.

 

None of the above does not even hint about love marriage. The maximum they go is

as far as saying that the person (spouce) shall speak very sweatly and will be

full of good virtues.

 

At the Jatakadesa gives a different effect, that if the 5th lord is placed in

the 7th, the spouce shall die If it is not associated or aspected by benefics.

(this might be during pregnancy).

 

sweat talikng need not end up in love or marriage always and atleast in India ,

good virtues implies that they does not go against traditional customes. Hence,

it is rare that such people end up in love marriage. I am not implying that

those having love marriages doesn't not good virtues, only that most are against

customes and even against the wishes of parents. A cat is a cat & spade a spade

not matter what you paint them with.

 

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy.

 

, " namrata_syal " <namrata_syal@ ...>

wrote:

>

> suresh ji,vattem ji and all respected astrologers. .

> suresh ji u mean that relation between 4th and 7th house is the indicative of

love marriage?can you please explain us that how is it so?as i think that 4th

house is the house of moon whcih generally related to mother..i even read

somewhere that 2nd house whcih is called house of family relation to 7th house

also indicate love marriage..please clear our doubt..also i would like to know

the defination of love marriage in astrology..does it mean going against your

parents and marryng someone or does it mean love cum arranged marriage...please

assist and help us to learn..

>

> , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ >

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Krishna ji,

> >

> > With all due respects, I have been seeying this love marriage being

associated with 5th all over the internet.

> >

> > I don't expect to correct you or others, because I am aware that some of

these neo ideas where propagated by much " famous scholars " and I am a very small

fry.

> >

> > However I would like you and the members to think about the following

> >

> > 5th is santhana sthana, pragjna sthana, mantra sthana

> > The Karaka for each of the above is Jupiter alone - the Guru.

> >

> > 4th is Matru sthana, Mana sthana , griha sthana, Vahana Sthana, vidhya

sthana, suhrit sthana

> > The karaka for each are

> > Matru  - Moon in general

> > Sookshma karaka

> > Day Birth : Venus is mother & Moon is Mother's Sister

> > Night Birth: Moon is mother & Venus is Mother's Sister

> > Mana  : Moon

> > Griha  : Venus

> > Vahana : Venus

> > Vidhya : Mercury

> > Suhrit : Venus & Mercury

> >

> > So you can see the logic of assigning all the three Moon, Venus & Mercury as

Karakas for the 4th.

> >

> > 7th is Kalatra Sthana & Karaka is Venus alone

> >

> > Another paryaya for Venus is given as " Sneha " that is love. It has also

another meaning : Ghee which is a lubricant also - Fat.

> >

> > Now Love is an infactuation of the emotional state of mind.

> > Love can be between 

> > son & mother

> > brothers & sisters

> > between friends (atma suhrit)

> > a human being  & his pet dog or any other animal

> > a human being & his vehicle (yes! I have seen it)

> > a person & his god

> > husband & wife (even if it is arranged marriage)

> >

> > In all the above we can see that the bond of love is a state of emotion and

is related to 4th house. You might have seen people who have gone mental truma

due to accindents even, are emotionaly dead.

> >

> > Jupiter is Guru & He is the remover / enemy of ignorence. Where in

the scriptures is he depicted as a god of Love?.

> >

> > Just because the love between a boy & girl will result in children qualify

5th house for love marriage? How many love birds thus married / " living

together " are without children or voluntorily decide not have children. So how

can we associate 5th house with love marriage. Doesn't those who had arranged

marriage have children?

> >

> > Karaka of 5th & karaka of 7th are natural enemies as well. What kind of love

will be there between a danava guru & daithya guru

> >

> > Is in't prudent to stick to core basics of logic to understand horoscopes?

> >

> > The relationship between 4th house & its karakas, 7th house & its karaka ,

their lords, Lord of Lagna &  lord of & 7th  would  be  better candidates to love

marriage.

> >

> > I fact do remember that assciation between 5th house/lord & 7th house/lord

is said to result in various kinds of marital problems some Visible to others &

some not.

> >

> > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> >

> >    

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >   

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >  

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

> >

> > Mon, October 12, 2009 11:39:37 AM

> > Re: dear sir,what does 5th lord in 7th house mean?

> >

> >  

> > Nmarata Ji,

> > An interesting question.Yes the connectivity of 5th and 7th houses brings

into emotions and love.7th represents spouse and if gets related to 5th then

spouse could be person of your choice.Then you need also to check position of

dispositors of 5th and 7th houses where they are and how ell they are palced to

facilitate into marraige.if malefic planets like saturn,sun and mars influence

7th,possibility to end up marraige will be difficult or the relationship after

marraige to may land into troubles.

> >

> > Vattem Krishnan

> > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > (For all counseling services)

> >  

> >

> > --- On Sun, 10/11/09, namrata_syal <namrata_syal@ > wrote:

> >

> > namrata_syal <namrata_syal@ >

> > dear sir,what does 5th lord in 7th house mean?

> >

> > Sunday, October 11, 2009, 3:49 PM

> >

> >  

> >

> > is it bad for relationship? or does it result into love marriage?how can we

see that the love affair can turn into marriage?

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Dear Rafel,

 

What I have written is 100% based on Classical Astrology what you term as " Vedic

Astrology " .

 

It is upto you to decide whether to anchor yourself on solid grounds or float on

immaginary or cooked up assumptions as you have written below on some of the

points.

 

//Jupiter is main karaka, but there are also sub-karakas, and Moon is one

of them as Fifht house shows what in your mind, whilst forth house shows

how is your mind (oversensitive etc).//

 

11nth as labha sthana is only indicator whether the native shall gain.

 

As far as love or for that matter it doesn't matter whether One obtains or not.

The beeja is the key factor.

And that beeja lies in 4th house & its significators. Whether that beeja

blossoms into trees &  bears fruits is next stage.

 

Here the question was about the Beeja - seed of love. Just like you say the if

Venus is badly afflicted, there is sukhla and hence cannot have children,

without beeja of love, how can you assume that there will be love marriage or

arranged marriage?

 

Further, 85% percentage of marriages in India, unlike in other countries are

arranged marriages and it is generaly considered a taboo to go for love

marriage. Don't look at tv's base your assumptions. The core family concept has

not changed. Though due to economic & educational advancements it may have to a

small percentage. do you think none of these 85% persons would not have element

of love marriage? So family traditions, one's own convictions etc also comes

strongly.

 

Before the seed of Love is sawn, frienship comes into play in 99% cases. It is

the friendship that grows into love. That is why 4th house as Suhrit

(friend) gain importance. You underestimated the importance of Mercury in the

game. Take a hard look at the character of Mercury and you will find there is

no better than a fast friendship full of enthsiasm, playfullness, artistic etc,

all of which anyone would love to have in their partner. That is why it is

the lord of Gemini  (Mithuna) -maithuna (sex) - sa gada - sa veena - man &

women.

 

Ancient sages have built astrology of solid bases. 

 

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

    

 

    

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Rafał Gendarz <starsuponme

 

Tue, October 13, 2009 4:57:35 AM

Re: dear sir,what does 5th lord in 7th house mean?

 

 

/*hraum krishnaya namah*/

Dear Namrta,

 

Suresh point about Moon vs Venus is correct when it comes to love vs

passion/romance.

 

However I disagree to see forth house for love, based on following

arguments:

 

* eleventh house from any bhava shows what is needed for that bhava

- its love

* eleventh house also shows gain/outcome, therefore fifth shows progeny

 

Jupiter is main karaka, but there are also sub-karakas, and Moon is one

of them as Fifht house shows what in your mind, whilst forth house shows

how is your mind (oversensitive etc).

 

Fifht house is for viveka, Lagna is for percpetion, forth house is for

health of mind (mana).

 

I also agree with other jyotisha, that fifth lord in seventh doesnt

constitute yoga for love-marriage - it shows love in the marriage, or

strong emotions whilst starting relationship.

 

Kind of vivaaha - gandharva - is seen mainly from Navamsa. Therefore I

have stated before that Shukra influcencing seventh bhava in D9 shows

love marriage. Same can be done with Upapada.

 

Upapada connected to mrtyua pada or Shani shows arranged marriage. You

can test this on few charts.

 

Regards,

Rafal Gendarz

SJC Jyotish Guru

------------ --

/*Consultations & Pages*

http://rohinaa. com

rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com

starsuponme@ wp.pl /

 

namrata_syal pisze:

>

>

> suresh ji,vattem ji and all respected astrologers. .

> suresh ji u mean that relation between 4th and 7th house is the

> indicative of love marriage?can you please explain us that how is it

> so?as i think that 4th house is the house of moon whcih generally

> related to mother..i even read somewhere that 2nd house whcih is

> called house of family relation to 7th house also indicate love

> marriage..please clear our doubt..also i would like to know the

> defination of love marriage in astrology..does it mean going against

> your parents and marryng someone or does it mean love cum arranged

> marriage...please assist and help us to learn..

>

>

> <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>, " Suresh Babu.A.G "

> <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Krishna ji,

> >

> > With all due respects, I have been seeying this love marriage being

> associated with 5th all over the internet.

> >

> > I don't expect to correct you or others, because I am aware that

> some of these neo ideas where propagated by much " famous scholars " and

> I am a very small fry.

> >

> > However I would like you and the members to think about the following

> >

> > 5th is santhana sthana, pragjna sthana, mantra sthana

> > The Karaka for each of the above is Jupiter alone - the Guru.

> >

> > 4th is Matru sthana, Mana sthana , griha sthana, Vahana Sthana,

> vidhya sthana, suhrit sthana

> > The karaka for each are

> > Matru - Moon in general

> > Sookshma karaka

> > Day Birth : Venus is mother & Moon is Mother's Sister

> > Night Birth: Moon is mother & Venus is Mother's Sister

> > Mana : Moon

> > Griha : Venus

> > Vahana : Venus

> > Vidhya : Mercury

> > Suhrit : Venus & Mercury

> >

> > So you can see the logic of assigning all the three Moon, Venus &

> Mercury as Karakas for the 4th.

> >

> > 7th is Kalatra Sthana & Karaka is Venus alone

> >

> > Another paryaya for Venus is given as " Sneha " that is love. It has

> also another meaning : Ghee which is a lubricant also - Fat.

> >

> > Now Love is an infactuation of the emotional state of mind.

> > Love can be between

> > son & mother

> > brothers & sisters

> > between friends (atma suhrit)

> > a human being & his pet dog or any other animal

> > a human being & his vehicle (yes! I have seen it)

> > a person & his god

> > husband & wife (even if it is arranged marriage)

> >

> > In all the above we can see that the bond of love is a state of

> emotion and is related to 4th house. You might have seen people who

> have gone mental truma due to accindents even, are emotionaly dead.

> >

> > Jupiter is Guru & He is the remover / enemy of ignorence. Where in

> the scriptures is he depicted as a god of Love?.

> >

> > Just because the love between a boy & girl will result in children

> qualify 5th house for love marriage? How many love birds thus married

> / " living together " are without children or voluntorily decide not

> have children. So how can we associate 5th house with love marriage.

> Doesn't those who had arranged marriage have children?

> >

> > Karaka of 5th & karaka of 7th are natural enemies as well. What kind

> of love will be there between a danava guru & daithya guru

> >

> > Is in't prudent to stick to core basics of logic to understand

> horoscopes?

> >

> > The relationship between 4th house & its karakas, 7th house & its

> karaka , their lords, Lord of Lagna & lord of & 7th would be better

> candidates to love marriage.

> >

> > I fact do remember that assciation between 5th house/lord & 7th

> house/lord is said to result in various kinds of marital problems some

> Visible to others & some not.

> >

> > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ..>

> >

> <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>

> > Mon, October 12, 2009 11:39:37 AM

> > Re: dear sir,what does 5th lord in 7th house mean?

> >

> >

> > Nmarata Ji,

> > An interesting question.Yes the connectivity of 5th and 7th houses

> brings into emotions and love.7th represents spouse and if gets

> related to 5th then spouse could be person of your choice.Then you

> need also to check position of dispositors of 5th and 7th houses where

> they are and how ell they are palced to facilitate into marraige.if

> malefic planets like saturn,sun and mars influence 7th,possibility to

> end up marraige will be difficult or the relationship after marraige

> to may land into troubles.

> >

> > Vattem Krishnan

> > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > (For all counseling services)

> >

> >

> > --- On Sun, 10/11/09, namrata_syal <namrata_syal@ > wrote:

> >

> > namrata_syal <namrata_syal@ >

> > dear sir,what does 5th lord in 7th house mean?

> >

> > Sunday, October 11, 2009, 3:49 PM

> >

> >

> >

> > is it bad for relationship? or does it result into love marriage?how

> can we see that the love affair can turn into marriage?

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Dear All,

 

By the way, " Gandharva Vivaha " does not always mean love marriage. In some

sects, this is the form of marriage followed though fixed by elders.

 

 

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99

 

Tue, October 13, 2009 7:18:58 AM

Re: Re: dear sir,what does 5th lord in 7th house mean?

 

 

Dear Namarat,Shri Suresh Ji,and others

I like your detailed approach as these issues concerning 5th and 7th house can

never be ignored and simplified to make a universal statement.

5th being a kona it's role is much wider as it represents and marrige by

institutions is dharma.where as 7th as a kendra and signifying kama and their

mutual relationships as dharma+kama has some meaning between biological make up

leading to meaningfu marraige.But the aspect of LOVE and it's astroogical roots

are not very much seems to have not been appreciated. Marraiges in olden days

eneded up in marriage due to role of Mnamadha otherwise known as cupid.

 

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

 

 

--- On Mon, 10/12/09, Suresh Babu <sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

 

Suresh Babu <sureshbabuag@ >

Re: dear sir,what does 5th lord in 7th house mean?

 

Monday, October 12, 2009, 3:54 PM

 

 

 

Dear Namrata Syal,

 

I am not sure why you are keen on this love affair. However, Since you asked

about the effects of 5th lord in the 7th, I shall give you the quotes from

various classical texts.

 

Parashar

Suteshe saptame maanii sarvadharmasmanvita H

Putraadisukhayuktas hcha paropakaraNe rataH

 

If the 5th lord is in the 7th , the native shall be respectable of righteous

deeds and all virtues,

Have happiness like from children & be very kind to help others.

 

Manasagari

Tanayapatau saptamage

svasutaaH subhagaashcadevagur ubhaktaaH

priyavaadiniisushee laa

narasyananujaayated ayitaa.

 

His son shall be very lucky & will be devoted to god & guru. His wife shall

speak sweetly & have very good character.

 

Jatakadesham

paapaH paapekshito vaa yadi balarahitaH

paapavarggasthito vaa

putrasthaanaadhipo vaa

mritibhavanapatirmm aandiraashiishva ro vaa

niichasthashchaamar eDyo madhupagatasitaH

paapasaMyuktashukra H

kuryuste daaranaashaM madanamupagataaH

saumyayogeskhaNonaa H..

 

Melefic aspected by malefic

Malefic devoid of strength

Malefic having malefic vargas

5th lord

8th lord

Dispositor of Gulika

Debilated Jupiter

Venus in vrischika sign

Venus along with Malefic

If any of the above occurs in the 7th and doesn't have benefic association or

aspect, spouse shall die.

 

None of the above does not even hint about love marriage. The maximum they go is

as far as saying that the person (spouce) shall speak very sweatly and will be

full of good virtues.

 

At the Jatakadesa gives a different effect, that if the 5th lord is placed in

the 7th, the spouce shall die If it is not associated or aspected by benefics.

(this might be during pregnancy).

 

sweat talikng need not end up in love or marriage always and atleast in India ,

good virtues implies that they does not go against traditional customes. Hence,

it is rare that such people end up in love marriage. I am not implying that

those having love marriages doesn't not good virtues, only that most are against

customes and even against the wishes of parents. A cat is a cat & spade a spade

not matter what you paint them with.

 

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy.

 

, " namrata_syal " <namrata_syal@ ...>

wrote:

>

> suresh ji,vattem ji and all respected astrologers. .

> suresh ji u mean that relation between 4th and 7th house is the indicative of

love marriage?can you please explain us that how is it so?as i think that 4th

house is the house of moon whcih generally related to mother..i even read

somewhere that 2nd house whcih is called house of family relation to 7th house

also indicate love marriage..please clear our doubt..also i would like to know

the defination of love marriage in astrology..does it mean going against your

parents and marryng someone or does it mean love cum arranged marriage...please

assist and help us to learn..

>

> , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ >

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Krishna ji,

> >

> > With all due respects, I have been seeying this love marriage being

associated with 5th all over the internet.

> >

> > I don't expect to correct you or others, because I am aware that some of

these neo ideas where propagated by much " famous scholars " and I am a very small

fry.

> >

> > However I would like you and the members to think about the following

> >

> > 5th is santhana sthana, pragjna sthana, mantra sthana

> > The Karaka for each of the above is Jupiter alone - the Guru.

> >

> > 4th is Matru sthana, Mana sthana , griha sthana, Vahana Sthana, vidhya

sthana, suhrit sthana

> > The karaka for each are

> > Matru  - Moon in general

> > Sookshma karaka

> > Day Birth : Venus is mother & Moon is Mother's Sister

> > Night Birth: Moon is mother & Venus is Mother's Sister

> > Mana  : Moon

> > Griha  : Venus

> > Vahana : Venus

> > Vidhya : Mercury

> > Suhrit : Venus & Mercury

> >

> > So you can see the logic of assigning all the three Moon, Venus & Mercury as

Karakas for the 4th.

> >

> > 7th is Kalatra Sthana & Karaka is Venus alone

> >

> > Another paryaya for Venus is given as " Sneha " that is love. It has also

another meaning : Ghee which is a lubricant also - Fat.

> >

> > Now Love is an infactuation of the emotional state of mind.

> > Love can be between 

> > son & mother

> > brothers & sisters

> > between friends (atma suhrit)

> > a human being  & his pet dog or any other animal

> > a human being & his vehicle (yes! I have seen it)

> > a person & his god

> > husband & wife (even if it is arranged marriage)

> >

> > In all the above we can see that the bond of love is a state of emotion and

is related to 4th house. You might have seen people who have gone mental truma

due to accindents even, are emotionaly dead.

> >

> > Jupiter is Guru & He is the remover / enemy of ignorence. Where in

the scriptures is he depicted as a god of Love?.

> >

> > Just because the love between a boy & girl will result in children qualify

5th house for love marriage? How many love birds thus married / " living

together " are without children or voluntorily decide not have children. So how

can we associate 5th house with love marriage. Doesn't those who had arranged

marriage have children?

> >

> > Karaka of 5th & karaka of 7th are natural enemies as well. What kind of love

will be there between a danava guru & daithya guru

> >

> > Is in't prudent to stick to core basics of logic to understand horoscopes?

> >

> > The relationship between 4th house & its karakas, 7th house & its karaka ,

their lords, Lord of Lagna &  lord of & 7th  would  be  better candidates to love

marriage.

> >

> > I fact do remember that assciation between 5th house/lord & 7th house/lord

is said to result in various kinds of marital problems some Visible to others &

some not.

> >

> > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> >

> >    

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >   

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >  

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

> >

> > Mon, October 12, 2009 11:39:37 AM

> > Re: dear sir,what does 5th lord in 7th house mean?

> >

> >  

> > Nmarata Ji,

> > An interesting question.Yes the connectivity of 5th and 7th houses brings

into emotions and love.7th represents spouse and if gets related to 5th then

spouse could be person of your choice.Then you need also to check position of

dispositors of 5th and 7th houses where they are and how ell they are palced to

facilitate into marraige.if malefic planets like saturn,sun and mars influence

7th,possibility to end up marraige will be difficult or the relationship after

marraige to may land into troubles.

> >

> > Vattem Krishnan

> > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > (For all counseling services)

> >  

> >

> > --- On Sun, 10/11/09, namrata_syal <namrata_syal@ > wrote:

> >

> > namrata_syal <namrata_syal@ >

> > dear sir,what does 5th lord in 7th house mean?

> >

> > Sunday, October 11, 2009, 3:49 PM

> >

> >  

> >

> > is it bad for relationship? or does it result into love marriage?how can we

see that the love affair can turn into marriage?

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Sir,

The intentions of Rahu and sukra for highly controversial karak lagna when join

together,one need to be very careful before getting into such relations.Lord of

cancer being Moon it's also important to find involvement of Aslesha nakshtra of

mercury(degrees of lagna) as the intentions for marraige have not materialised.

 

 

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

 

 

--- On Tue, 10/13/09, Bill G <pythod wrote:

 

 

Bill G <pythod

Re: Re: dear sir,what does 5th lord in 7th house mean?

 

Tuesday, October 13, 2009, 12:52 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Namaskar,

 

I came across a chart of a lady of Makar lagna and Lord of 5th in 7th

is Sukra along with Rahu. There is also a parivartana yoga (Moon &

Mars in Taurus in 5H and Sukra in Cancer 7H). This native is

well-educated, but 28 years old and still not married. It is unusual

for females to be not married till the age of 28 years. However, it

seems that she might have had affairs during her Rahu MD which ended

in 2004. Therefore, I think that Rahu may be the reason why her love

affair may not have materialized into marriage. Is it because of Sukra

dosh she's having difficulty getting married or Rahu or a combination

of both? I also read somewhere that when the lord of 5H is in 7H, the

native's married life is not peaceful. It is also true that married

lives of natives with Karka (Cancer) lagna is not happy, so it may

seem that her's partner's rising is Cancer, so all boys who must have

seen her must have rejected her as far as married life is concerned.

Gurujans, what are your thoughts on this?

 

Best regards,

Basant

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Bill,

 

Have you forgotton the simple principle of Karaka Grigha in Karaka Sthana shall

be detrimental to that Sthana.

 

For Makara, Venus is 5th lord in the kalatra sthana as well as KALATRA KARAKA in

Kalatra sthana And when it conjoins with Tamasic Rahu, who will dare to

associate for life time. Have you not heard of the story of Rahu and how he

grabed Amrit from gods with one closed and other open while they were supposed

to sit with both eyes closed. Such stories were written to teach us about finner

qualities that could reflect in others.

 

Either there has to be compensatory factors in the other chart or some one

should come forward saying that he does not believe in astrology and marry her

or astrologers should shut their eyes.

 

generalisations like cancer lagna will not have a happy married life is kids

stuff. Not happy in what way? in which area? What are the factors that may help

to resolve the conflicts? be it karkataka or any other sign. What are the

factors that holds them together? in spite of severe conflicts.

 

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

 

 

 

 

, Bill G <pythod wrote:

>

> Namaskar,

>

> I came across a chart of a lady of Makar lagna and Lord of 5th in 7th

> is Sukra along with Rahu. There is also a parivartana yoga (Moon &

> Mars in Taurus in 5H and Sukra in Cancer 7H). This native is

> well-educated, but 28 years old and still not married. It is unusual

> for females to be not married till the age of 28 years. However, it

> seems that she might have had affairs during her Rahu MD which ended

> in 2004. Therefore, I think that Rahu may be the reason why her love

> affair may not have materialized into marriage. Is it because of Sukra

> dosh she's having difficulty getting married or Rahu or a combination

> of both? I also read somewhere that when the lord of 5H is in 7H, the

> native's married life is not peaceful. It is also true that married

> lives of natives with Karka (Cancer) lagna is not happy, so it may

> seem that her's partner's rising is Cancer, so all boys who must have

> seen her must have rejected her as far as married life is concerned.

> Gurujans, what are your thoughts on this?

>

> Best regards,

> Basant

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sureshji,

 

Thanks for your email. My name is Basant and I use 'Bill G' in my

email as an alias to deal with customers out of India.

 

Yes, I am very much aware of the saying 'karako nashto bhava' and I

have also heard that story of Amrit many times. The chart has various

elements for late marriage, and I found it difficult to arrive at a

conclusion why the lady is still not married and what is responsible

for her not being married till now as she belongs to a caste where

girls are married no later than 25 years of age. This lady has

Capricorn (Makara) rising/ascendant/lagna. Therefore if you flip the

chart 180 degrees, then her partner's rising sign becomes Karkata

(Cancer). Well, it could be a subject of debate because Makara lagna

people are also selfish and put themselves first before anything. So,

it could be a reason why their married life could be unhappy. What I

meant by 'unhappy marriage' is that her partner will have

dissatisfaction with her, and when her partner is not happy with her,

how can she be happy?! Unhappy marriage could have various meanings

such as life full of conflicts, one dominating the other, constant

quarrels with each other etc. However, when Rahu associates with

Sukra, it expands the qualities of Sukra and when Rahu and Sukra are

sitting in 7H, one can be sure that any possible match looking at her

chart, will not associate with her as her life partner. What makes

things even more complicated is Mars aspect on 8H of her 'saubhagya'.

Therefore, it can be very safe to say that her married life will not

be that great. If you wish to analyze her chart for further

discussion, here are her birth details: 30/June/81 20:25

Surat/Gujarat/India.

 

Thanks

Basant

[Guest guest]

suresh ji,its very good to hear that u have the same combination....may your

love remain the same forever and ever..even my daughter has the same thing in

her chart....can you please tell me the definition of love marriage in

astrology?1-does it mean going against your parents and getting married or

2-does it mean some sort of love cum arranged marriage....in both the above

cases love is materialize into marriage..but do we see the above cases through

the same procedure?

 

, " Suresh Babu " <sureshbabuag wrote:

>

> Dear Namrata syal,

>

> By the way, forgot to mention that I have 5th lord in the 7th and mine was not

a love marriage, a traditional arranged marriage and surely we love each other.

>

> A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy.

>

>

>

>

>

> , " Suresh Babu " <sureshbabuag@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Namrata Syal,

> >

> > I am not sure why you are keen on this love affair. However, Since you asked

about the effects of 5th lord in the 7th, I shall give you the quotes from

various classical texts.

> >

> >

> > Parashar

> > Suteshe saptame maanii sarvadharmasmanvitaH

> > Putraadisukhayuktashcha paropakaraNe rataH

> >

> > If the 5th lord is in the 7th , the native shall be respectable of righteous

deeds and all virtues,

> > Have happiness like from children & be very kind to help others.

> >

> > Manasagari

> > Tanayapatau saptamage

> > svasutaaH subhagaashcadevagurubhaktaaH

> > priyavaadiniisusheelaa

> > narasyananujaayatedayitaa.

> >

> > His son shall be very lucky & will be devoted to god & guru. His wife shall

speak sweetly & have very good character.

> >

> > Jatakadesham

> > paapaH paapekshito vaa yadi balarahitaH

> > paapavarggasthito vaa

> > putrasthaanaadhipo vaa

> > mritibhavanapatirmmaandiraashiishvaro vaa

> > niichasthashchaamareDyo madhupagatasitaH

> > paapasaMyuktashukraH

> > kuryuste daaranaashaM madanamupagataaH

> > saumyayogeskhaNonaaH..

> >

> > Melefic aspected by malefic

> > Malefic devoid of strength

> > Malefic having malefic vargas

> > 5th lord

> > 8th lord

> > Dispositor of Gulika

> > Debilated Jupiter

> > Venus in vrischika sign

> > Venus along with Malefic

> > If any of the above occurs in the 7th and doesn't have benefic association

or aspect, spouse shall die.

> >

> > None of the above does not even hint about love marriage. The maximum they

go is as far as saying that the person (spouce) shall speak very sweatly and

will be full of good virtues.

> >

> > At the Jatakadesa gives a different effect, that if the 5th lord is placed

in the 7th, the spouce shall die If it is not associated or aspected by

benefics. (this might be during pregnancy).

> >

> > sweat talikng need not end up in love or marriage always and atleast in

India , good virtues implies that they does not go against traditional customes.

Hence, it is rare that such people end up in love marriage. I am not implying

that those having love marriages doesn't not good virtues, only that most are

against customes and even against the wishes of parents. A cat is a cat & spade

a spade not matter what you paint them with.

> >

> > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " namrata_syal " <namrata_syal@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > suresh ji,vattem ji and all respected astrologers..

> > > suresh ji u mean that relation between 4th and 7th house is the indicative

of love marriage?can you please explain us that how is it so?as i think that 4th

house is the house of moon whcih generally related to mother..i even read

somewhere that 2nd house whcih is called house of family relation to 7th house

also indicate love marriage..please clear our doubt..also i would like to know

the defination of love marriage in astrology..does it mean going against your

parents and marryng someone or does it mean love cum arranged marriage...please

assist and help us to learn..

> > >

> > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Krishna ji,

> > > >

> > > > With all due respects, I have been seeying this love marriage being

associated with 5th all over the internet.

> > > >

> > > > I don't expect to correct you or others, because I am aware that some of

these neo ideas where propagated by much " famous scholars " and I am a very small

fry.

> > > >

> > > > However I would like you and the members to think about the following

> > > >

> > > > 5th is santhana sthana, pragjna sthana, mantra sthana

> > > > The Karaka for each of the above is Jupiter alone - the Guru.

> > > >

> > > > 4th is Matru sthana, Mana sthana , griha sthana, Vahana Sthana, vidhya

sthana, suhrit sthana

> > > > The karaka for each are

> > > > Matru  - Moon in general

> > > > Sookshma karaka

> > > > Day Birth : Venus is mother & Moon is Mother's Sister

> > > > Night Birth: Moon is mother & Venus is Mother's Sister

> > > > Mana  : Moon

> > > > Griha  : Venus

> > > > Vahana : Venus

> > > > Vidhya : Mercury

> > > > Suhrit : Venus & Mercury

> > > >

> > > > So you can see the logic of assigning all the three Moon, Venus &

Mercury as Karakas for the 4th.

> > > >

> > > > 7th is Kalatra Sthana & Karaka is Venus alone

> > > >

> > > > Another paryaya for Venus is given as " Sneha " that is love. It has also

another meaning : Ghee which is a lubricant also - Fat.

> > > >

> > > > Now Love is an infactuation of the emotional state of mind.

> > > > Love can be between 

> > > > son & mother

> > > > brothers & sisters

> > > > between friends (atma suhrit)

> > > > a human being  & his pet dog or any other animal

> > > > a human being & his vehicle (yes! I have seen it)

> > > > a person & his god

> > > > husband & wife (even if it is arranged marriage)

> > > >

> > > > In all the above we can see that the bond of love is a state of emotion

and is related to 4th house. You might have seen people who have gone mental

truma due to accindents even, are emotionaly dead.

> > > >

> > > > Jupiter is Guru & He is the remover / enemy of ignorence. Where in

the scriptures is he depicted as a god of Love?.

> > > >

> > > > Just because the love between a boy & girl will result in children

qualify 5th house for love marriage? How many love birds thus married / " living

together " are without children or voluntorily decide not have children. So how

can we associate 5th house with love marriage. Doesn't those who had arranged

marriage have children?

> > > >

> > > > Karaka of 5th & karaka of 7th are natural enemies as well. What kind of

love will be there between a danava guru & daithya guru

> > > >

> > > > Is in't prudent to stick to core basics of logic to understand

horoscopes?

> > > >

> > > > The relationship between 4th house & its karakas, 7th house & its karaka

, their lords, Lord of Lagna &  lord of & 7th  would  be  better candidates to

love marriage.

> > > >

> > > > I fact do remember that assciation between 5th house/lord & 7th

house/lord is said to result in various kinds of marital problems some Visible

to others & some not.

> > > >

> > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > >

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> > > >

> > > > ________________________________

> > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

> > > >

> > > > Mon, October 12, 2009 11:39:37 AM

> > > > Re: dear sir,what does 5th lord in 7th house mean?

> > > >

> > > >  

> > > > Nmarata Ji,

> > > > An interesting question.Yes the connectivity of 5th and 7th houses

brings into emotions and love.7th represents spouse and if gets related to 5th

then spouse could be person of your choice.Then you need also to check position

of dispositors of 5th and 7th houses where they are and how ell they are palced

to facilitate into marraige.if malefic planets like saturn,sun and mars

influence 7th,possibility to end up marraige will be difficult or the

relationship after marraige to may land into troubles.

> > > >

> > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > >  

> > > >

> > > > --- On Sun, 10/11/09, namrata_syal <namrata_syal@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > namrata_syal <namrata_syal@ >

> > > > dear sir,what does 5th lord in 7th house mean?

> > > >

> > > > Sunday, October 11, 2009, 3:49 PM

> > > >

> > > >  

> > > >

> > > > is it bad for relationship? or does it result into love marriage?how can

we see that the love affair can turn into marriage?

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

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Dear Suresh,

 

Could you please put your birthdetails?

 

 

 

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Vattem Krishnan pisze:

>

>

> good in put and we need to understand full implications of 5th house

> role in marraige.

>

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

>

>

> --- On Mon, 10/12/09, Suresh Babu <sureshbabuag@

> <sureshbabuag%40>> wrote:

>

> Suresh Babu <sureshbabuag@

> <sureshbabuag%40>>

> Re: dear sir,what does 5th lord in 7th house mean?

>

> <%40>

> Monday, October 12, 2009, 4:01 PM

>

>

>

> Dear Namrata syal,

>

> By the way, forgot to mention that I have 5th lord in the 7th and mine

> was not a love marriage, a traditional arranged marriage and surely we

> love each other.

>

> A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy.

>

> , " Suresh Babu "

> <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Namrata Syal,

> >

> > I am not sure why you are keen on this love affair. However, Since

> you asked about the effects of 5th lord in the 7th, I shall give you

> the quotes from various classical texts.

> >

> >

> > Parashar

> > Suteshe saptame maanii sarvadharmasmanvita H

> > Putraadisukhayuktas hcha paropakaraNe rataH

> >

> > If the 5th lord is in the 7th , the native shall be respectable of

> righteous deeds and all virtues,

> > Have happiness like from children & be very kind to help others.

> >

> > Manasagari

> > Tanayapatau saptamage

> > svasutaaH subhagaashcadevagur ubhaktaaH

> > priyavaadiniisushee laa

> > narasyananujaayated ayitaa.

> >

> > His son shall be very lucky & will be devoted to god & guru. His

> wife shall speak sweetly & have very good character.

> >

> > Jatakadesham

> > paapaH paapekshito vaa yadi balarahitaH

> > paapavarggasthito vaa

> > putrasthaanaadhipo vaa

> > mritibhavanapatirmm aandiraashiishva ro vaa

> > niichasthashchaamar eDyo madhupagatasitaH

> > paapasaMyuktashukra H

> > kuryuste daaranaashaM madanamupagataaH

> > saumyayogeskhaNonaa H..

> >

> > Melefic aspected by malefic

> > Malefic devoid of strength

> > Malefic having malefic vargas

> > 5th lord

> > 8th lord

> > Dispositor of Gulika

> > Debilated Jupiter

> > Venus in vrischika sign

> > Venus along with Malefic

> > If any of the above occurs in the 7th and doesn't have benefic

> association or aspect, spouse shall die.

> >

> > None of the above does not even hint about love marriage. The

> maximum they go is as far as saying that the person (spouce) shall

> speak very sweatly and will be full of good virtues.

> >

> > At the Jatakadesa gives a different effect, that if the 5th lord is

> placed in the 7th, the spouce shall die If it is not associated or

> aspected by benefics. (this might be during pregnancy).

> >

> > sweat talikng need not end up in love or marriage always and atleast

> in India , good virtues implies that they does not go against

> traditional customes. Hence, it is rare that such people end up in

> love marriage. I am not implying that those having love marriages

> doesn't not good virtues, only that most are against customes and even

> against the wishes of parents. A cat is a cat & spade a spade not

> matter what you paint them with.

> >

> > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " namrata_syal "

> <namrata_syal@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > suresh ji,vattem ji and all respected astrologers. .

> > > suresh ji u mean that relation between 4th and 7th house is the

> indicative of love marriage?can you please explain us that how is it

> so?as i think that 4th house is the house of moon whcih generally

> related to mother..i even read somewhere that 2nd house whcih is

> called house of family relation to 7th house also indicate love

> marriage..please clear our doubt..also i would like to know the

> defination of love marriage in astrology..does it mean going against

> your parents and marryng someone or does it mean love cum arranged

> marriage...please assist and help us to learn..

> > >

> > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

> <sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Krishna ji,

> > > >

> > > > With all due respects, I have been seeying this love marriage

> being associated with 5th all over the internet.

> > > >

> > > > I don't expect to correct you or others, because I am aware that

> some of these neo ideas where propagated by much " famous scholars " and

> I am a very small fry.

> > > >

> > > > However I would like you and the members to think about the

> following

> > > >

> > > > 5th is santhana sthana, pragjna sthana, mantra sthana

> > > > The Karaka for each of the above is Jupiter alone - the Guru.

> > > >

> > > > 4th is Matru sthana, Mana sthana , griha sthana, Vahana Sthana,

> vidhya sthana, suhrit sthana

> > > > The karaka for each are

> > > > Matru - Moon in general

> > > > Sookshma karaka

> > > > Day Birth : Venus is mother & Moon is Mother's Sister

> > > > Night Birth: Moon is mother & Venus is Mother's Sister

> > > > Mana : Moon

> > > > Griha : Venus

> > > > Vahana : Venus

> > > > Vidhya : Mercury

> > > > Suhrit : Venus & Mercury

> > > >

> > > > So you can see the logic of assigning all the three Moon, Venus

> & Mercury as Karakas for the 4th.

> > > >

> > > > 7th is Kalatra Sthana & Karaka is Venus alone

> > > >

> > > > Another paryaya for Venus is given as " Sneha " that is love. It

> has also another meaning : Ghee which is a lubricant also - Fat.

> > > >

> > > > Now Love is an infactuation of the emotional state of mind.

> > > > Love can be between

> > > > son & mother

> > > > brothers & sisters

> > > > between friends (atma suhrit)

> > > > a human being & his pet dog or any other animal

> > > > a human being & his vehicle (yes! I have seen it)

> > > > a person & his god

> > > > husband & wife (even if it is arranged marriage)

> > > >

> > > > In all the above we can see that the bond of love is a state of

> emotion and is related to 4th house. You might have seen people who

> have gone mental truma due to accindents even, are emotionaly dead.

> > > >

> > > > Jupiter is Guru & He is the remover / enemy of ignorence. Where

> in the scriptures is he depicted as a god of Love?.

> > > >

> > > > Just because the love between a boy & girl will result in

> children qualify 5th house for love marriage? How many love birds thus

> married / " living together " are without children or voluntorily decide

> not have children. So how can we associate 5th house with love

> marriage. Doesn't those who had arranged marriage have children?

> > > >

> > > > Karaka of 5th & karaka of 7th are natural enemies as well. What

> kind of love will be there between a danava guru & daithya guru

> > > >

> > > > Is in't prudent to stick to core basics of logic to understand

> horoscopes?

> > > >

> > > > The relationship between 4th house & its karakas, 7th house &

> its karaka , their lords, Lord of Lagna & lord of & 7th would be

> better candidates to love marriage.

> > > >

> > > > I fact do remember that assciation between 5th house/lord & 7th

> house/lord is said to result in various kinds of marital problems some

> Visible to others & some not.

> > > >

> > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

> > > >

> > > > Mon, October 12, 2009 11:39:37 AM

> > > > Re: dear sir,what does 5th lord in 7th house mean?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Nmarata Ji,

> > > > An interesting question.Yes the connectivity of 5th and 7th

> houses brings into emotions and love.7th represents spouse and if gets

> related to 5th then spouse could be person of your choice.Then you

> need also to check position of dispositors of 5th and 7th houses where

> they are and how ell they are palced to facilitate into marraige.if

> malefic planets like saturn,sun and mars influence 7th,possibility to

> end up marraige will be difficult or the relationship after marraige

> to may land into troubles.

> > > >

> > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --- On Sun, 10/11/09, namrata_syal <namrata_syal@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > namrata_syal <namrata_syal@ >

> > > > dear sir,what does 5th lord in 7th house mean?

> > > >

> > > > Sunday, October 11, 2009, 3:49 PM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > is it bad for relationship? or does it result into love

> marriage?how can we see that the love affair can turn into marriage?

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

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Dear Suresh,

 

1.Could you give classical reference for forth house refering to love?

Or is it your assumption/logic based on what you have written so far?

2. I have mentioned eleventh from particular bhava.

3. I understand the difference between love-marriage and love in the

marriage and have written about this in my mail.

4. In my parampara I 've been taught that seventh connected to fifth

shows attitude for love-marriage, altough circumstances can be other.

 

Regards,

Rafal Gendarz

SJC Jyotish Guru

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Suresh Babu.A.G pisze:

>

>

> Dear Rafel,

>

> What I have written is 100% based on Classical Astrology what you term

> as " Vedic Astrology " .

>

> It is upto you to decide whether to anchor yourself on solid grounds

> or float on immaginary or cooked up assumptions as you have written

> below on some of the points.

>

> //Jupiter is main karaka, but there are also sub-karakas, and Moon is one

> of them as Fifht house shows what in your mind, whilst forth house shows

> how is your mind (oversensitive etc).//

>

> 11nth as labha sthana is only indicator whether the native shall gain.

>

> As far as love or for that matter it doesn't matter whether One

> obtains or not. The beeja is the key factor.

> And that beeja lies in 4th house & its significators. Whether that

> beeja blossoms into trees & bears fruits is next stage.

>

> Here the question was about the Beeja - seed of love. Just like you

> say the if Venus is badly afflicted, there is sukhla and hence

> cannot have children, without beeja of love, how can you assume that

> there will be love marriage or arranged marriage?

>

> Further, 85% percentage of marriages in India, unlike in other

> countries are arranged marriages and it is generaly considered a taboo

> to go for love marriage. Don't look at tv's base your assumptions. The

> core family concept has not changed. Though due to economic &

> educational advancements it may have to a small percentage. do you

> think none of these 85% persons would not have element of love

> marriage? So family traditions, one's own convictions etc also comes

> strongly.

>

> Before the seed of Love is sawn, frienship comes into play in 99%

> cases. It is the friendship that grows into love. That is why 4th

> house as Suhrit (friend) gain importance. You underestimated the

> importance of Mercury in the game. Take a hard look at the character

> of Mercury and you will find there is no better than a fast friendship

> full of enthsiasm, playfullness, artistic etc, all of which anyone

> would love to have in their partner. That is why it is the lord of

> Gemini (Mithuna) -maithuna (sex) - sa gada - sa veena - man & women.

>

> Ancient sages have built astrology of solid bases.

>

> A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

____________ _________ _________ __

> Rafał Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl <starsuponme%40wp.pl>>

>

> <%40>

> Tue, October 13, 2009 4:57:35 AM

> Re: dear sir,what does 5th lord in 7th house mean?

>

>

> /*hraum krishnaya namah*/

> Dear Namrta,

>

> Suresh point about Moon vs Venus is correct when it comes to love vs

> passion/romance.

>

> However I disagree to see forth house for love, based on following

> arguments:

>

> * eleventh house from any bhava shows what is needed for that bhava

> - its love

> * eleventh house also shows gain/outcome, therefore fifth shows progeny

>

> Jupiter is main karaka, but there are also sub-karakas, and Moon is one

> of them as Fifht house shows what in your mind, whilst forth house shows

> how is your mind (oversensitive etc).

>

> Fifht house is for viveka, Lagna is for percpetion, forth house is for

> health of mind (mana).

>

> I also agree with other jyotisha, that fifth lord in seventh doesnt

> constitute yoga for love-marriage - it shows love in the marriage, or

> strong emotions whilst starting relationship.

>

> Kind of vivaaha - gandharva - is seen mainly from Navamsa. Therefore I

> have stated before that Shukra influcencing seventh bhava in D9 shows

> love marriage. Same can be done with Upapada.

>

> Upapada connected to mrtyua pada or Shani shows arranged marriage. You

> can test this on few charts.

>

> Regards,

> Rafal Gendarz

> SJC Jyotish Guru

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>

> namrata_syal pisze:

> >

> >

> > suresh ji,vattem ji and all respected astrologers. .

> > suresh ji u mean that relation between 4th and 7th house is the

> > indicative of love marriage?can you please explain us that how is it

> > so?as i think that 4th house is the house of moon whcih generally

> > related to mother..i even read somewhere that 2nd house whcih is

> > called house of family relation to 7th house also indicate love

> > marriage..please clear our doubt..also i would like to know the

> > defination of love marriage in astrology..does it mean going against

> > your parents and marryng someone or does it mean love cum arranged

> > marriage...please assist and help us to learn..

> >

> >

> > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>, " Suresh Babu.A.G "

> > <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Krishna ji,

> > >

> > > With all due respects, I have been seeying this love marriage being

> > associated with 5th all over the internet.

> > >

> > > I don't expect to correct you or others, because I am aware that

> > some of these neo ideas where propagated by much " famous scholars " and

> > I am a very small fry.

> > >

> > > However I would like you and the members to think about the following

> > >

> > > 5th is santhana sthana, pragjna sthana, mantra sthana

> > > The Karaka for each of the above is Jupiter alone - the Guru.

> > >

> > > 4th is Matru sthana, Mana sthana , griha sthana, Vahana Sthana,

> > vidhya sthana, suhrit sthana

> > > The karaka for each are

> > > Matru - Moon in general

> > > Sookshma karaka

> > > Day Birth : Venus is mother & Moon is Mother's Sister

> > > Night Birth: Moon is mother & Venus is Mother's Sister

> > > Mana : Moon

> > > Griha : Venus

> > > Vahana : Venus

> > > Vidhya : Mercury

> > > Suhrit : Venus & Mercury

> > >

> > > So you can see the logic of assigning all the three Moon, Venus &

> > Mercury as Karakas for the 4th.

> > >

> > > 7th is Kalatra Sthana & Karaka is Venus alone

> > >

> > > Another paryaya for Venus is given as " Sneha " that is love. It has

> > also another meaning : Ghee which is a lubricant also - Fat.

> > >

> > > Now Love is an infactuation of the emotional state of mind.

> > > Love can be between

> > > son & mother

> > > brothers & sisters

> > > between friends (atma suhrit)

> > > a human being & his pet dog or any other animal

> > > a human being & his vehicle (yes! I have seen it)

> > > a person & his god

> > > husband & wife (even if it is arranged marriage)

> > >

> > > In all the above we can see that the bond of love is a state of

> > emotion and is related to 4th house. You might have seen people who

> > have gone mental truma due to accindents even, are emotionaly dead.

> > >

> > > Jupiter is Guru & He is the remover / enemy of ignorence. Where in

> > the scriptures is he depicted as a god of Love?.

> > >

> > > Just because the love between a boy & girl will result in children

> > qualify 5th house for love marriage? How many love birds thus married

> > / " living together " are without children or voluntorily decide not

> > have children. So how can we associate 5th house with love marriage.

> > Doesn't those who had arranged marriage have children?

> > >

> > > Karaka of 5th & karaka of 7th are natural enemies as well. What kind

> > of love will be there between a danava guru & daithya guru

> > >

> > > Is in't prudent to stick to core basics of logic to understand

> > horoscopes?

> > >

> > > The relationship between 4th house & its karakas, 7th house & its

> > karaka , their lords, Lord of Lagna & lord of & 7th would be better

> > candidates to love marriage.

> > >

> > > I fact do remember that assciation between 5th house/lord & 7th

> > house/lord is said to result in various kinds of marital problems some

> > Visible to others & some not.

> > >

> > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ..>

> > >

> > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>

> > > Mon, October 12, 2009 11:39:37 AM

> > > Re: dear sir,what does 5th lord in 7th house mean?

> > >

> > >

> > > Nmarata Ji,

> > > An interesting question.Yes the connectivity of 5th and 7th houses

> > brings into emotions and love.7th represents spouse and if gets

> > related to 5th then spouse could be person of your choice.Then you

> > need also to check position of dispositors of 5th and 7th houses where

> > they are and how ell they are palced to facilitate into marraige.if

> > malefic planets like saturn,sun and mars influence 7th,possibility to

> > end up marraige will be difficult or the relationship after marraige

> > to may land into troubles.

> > >

> > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > (For all counseling services)

> > >

> > >

> > > --- On Sun, 10/11/09, namrata_syal <namrata_syal@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > namrata_syal <namrata_syal@ >

> > > dear sir,what does 5th lord in 7th house mean?

> > >

> > > Sunday, October 11, 2009, 3:49 PM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > is it bad for relationship? or does it result into love marriage?how

> > can we see that the love affair can turn into marriage?

> > >

> > >