Guest guest Posted June 8, 2009 Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 Dear Dada, You can call me whatever you like, but I did not like to tell you one thing, which now I must remind : I am not a grihastha. For a sanyaasi, family relations do not count. I NEVER addressed my mundane father as " father " even in my childhood, exceting when I was one or two years old which I do not remember fully, although he was a very powerful politician and our relations were cordial, although he was sad for my refusal to call him father and for my refusal to take a worldly path ever since I was 13-14 years old. He was a non-veg, and at last I succeeded in converting him. He had a good knowledge of shaastras and after I formally announced to him that I am taking dikshaa, he started doing " pranaama " to me which was highly embarassing to me as well as to those around. But he knew that grihastha ashrama is inferior to vaanprashtha and sanyaasa. A sanyaasi should not ask others to respect him. But if a sanyaasi is innecessarily attacked and insulted, it is an attack and insult on God, and the result is sin. A real sanyaasi does not care for insults, but should prevent others from insulting him because such insults give sin to those who insult sanyaasis. These are genenal statements, not referring to you in any respect. In my childhood, I was reprimanded for addressing my servant without a " Ji " . I started adding Da for you because I did it for Sunil Da, and it seemed it will be unfair and undemocratic to avoid you. But it does not imply that my feelings for you have changed.I respect you as I did earlier. -VJ ====================== ============ ________________________________ Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan Sunday, June 7, 2009 9:35:58 PM Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion Dear Vinay Ji, When someone addresses me as Dada, privately or publicly, and treats me like an elder brother whether just out of politeness or sincerely does he or she not give me the right automatically to address them by their first name or first name with a -bhai added? At least that was the practice in my family and the culture in the part of India where I was raised! So what is this talk about servants and what not? That said, a monk should be a servant of God and God lives in every being! Not everyone may have faith in that simple truth, but I do! As to the cookie thing, I have already explained in an earlier message why I wrote that. I agree that you may be right that I should have been more careful because some person may misinterpret my words. My apologies for that. RR , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > Rohini Da, > > Here is your own message : > > " turn off the tracking cookies and other software gizmos that tell one how many visited a site or downloaded or whatever! And particularly when one confesses publicly that one knows all visitors! Something is just not right in that picture!! " > > It is a public forum and others also read your posts and may derive all sorts of meanings, and I deliberately overreacted to make you see possible permutations and combinations of your statements. Cookies and tracking software may be good, but they are used by businessmen. I have no need of them. Besides, I do not know who download Kundalee and who do not, unless they inform me. Some of them inform me privately due to the bad climate created in recent past by a dedicated team. > > In my family all servants were addressed with a 'Ji'. Now at an advanced age, I will try to learn what I was unaccustomed to even in my childhood. Only students are addressed without a 'Ji' in my environment. > > -VJ > ============ ========= ==== == > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > Sunday, June 7, 2009 2:45:25 PM > Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > > > > > Dear Vinay-bhai, > > Please re-read your message! You overreacted! I was just going with how you have always come across in your public messages as if you knew who read your articles, and who downloaded your software and who did not! > > Why you must take that 'all the way' to another dimension and to interpret it to mean private data and bank accounts and what not was neither necessary, intended or made sense, but was disturbing. > > If I had misgivings like that, I would not have carried out a conversation with you at all! > > Cookies and tracking software seem to have become the reality on internet these days. It is not necessarily something nefarious! Nor a charge against you as long as the intention is about collecting statistics. Many websites of good reputation do that, > > Please do seriously consider what I wrote and do not feel hurt by what wes never meant to in the first place! > > Rohini-da > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > > Rohini Da, > > > > I do not know nor do I want to know how cookies or tracking softwares are made. I did not ever made a site of my own, where such tracking and visitor-counting procedures can be installed. I use free websites offered by others, in which cookies and visitor-counting codes cannot be inserted. For uploading and downloading Kundalee, I could not use those free websites which cannot allow files bigger than 10 MB, whereas zipped kundalee file has already exceeded 14 MB. Hence, I've to upload it on another free service : http://www.datafile host.com/ > > > > This site does not belong to me, and I cannot remove its visitor-counting feature, nor do I want to, becaise some members of AIA were saying that Kundalee is undownloadable, hence there must be a counter to see whether they were right or wrong. > > > > You are levelling a wrong charge on me : > > > > <<< " What one needs to gain trust, acceptance and LOVE -- that comes pretty > > readily in this astrological reality -- is toturn off the tracking > > cookies and other software gizmos that tell one how many visited a site > > or downloaded or whatever! And particularly when one confesses publicly > > that one knows all visitors! Something is just not right in that > > picture!! " >>> > > > > > > Sreenadh in AIA had guessed that I am tracking AIA members after I told him that AIA members were downloading Kundalee in large numbers in spite of his claims that it is undownloadable. At that time, AIA was the only forum in which Kundalee was announced (by him, not by me), and other forums were quite ignorant of Kundalee. Hence, it was not difficult to guess that the downloads at that time were almost wholly from AIA members which you translate as " one confesses publicly > > that one knows all visitors! " . Sreenadh also imagined that I was tracking AIA !! I have too much of serious tasks to learn and indulge in such mean tricks. I had no plan to announce Kundalee in any forum at all. Sreenadh got me involved in these fora AGAINST my will. I did not know that most of members in these fora do not know Hindi. Kundalee was not fully translated into English. I was not prepared for English fora with a Hindi software. > > > > I am surprized at your misgivings about me. Now I understand why you keep away from Kundalee, you fear Kundalee has some spyware (tracking > > cookies) which will steal your private data !! > > > > I never learnt internet programming, which is proven by the fact that I do not any website with my own domain, where such tracking cookies can be uploaded. I use free sites offered by others where limited services are offered. I know only one language : Visual Basic, which cannot create spyware as far as I know (I do not know everything about Visual Basic, because I only needed one type of program : standard exe type needed for astrological softwares). > > > > I always knew from your language that you had misgivings about me, but I did not know you took me to a spy peeping into other's accounts with my tracking > > cookies . Thanks for opening your heart. There is no way I can prove that I do not know internet programming , only experienced programmers can know this fact, which is clear from the type of my program. You are not a programmer, hence you can imagine all sort of things about me. I have already said that I have done my duty by presenting the traditional siddhantic aspect of Vedic Astrology and it is not my concern whether people believe me to be a software programmer or a thief stealing their bank accounts with my tracking > > cookies which I do not even know how to make. The counter you refer to belong to http://www.datafile host.com/ wich offers free file uploading and downloading services. > > > > -VJ > > ============ ========= == == > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > Sunday, June 7, 2009 9:49:22 AM > > Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vinay ji, > > > > Do you not get it, at all? > > > > No one sees you as a mere software developer! Here or elsewhere, even where you feel attacked and diminuited (is that a real word? It is now!) > > > > I do not for one. > > > > What one needs to gain trust, acceptance and LOVE -- that comes pretty readily in this astrological reality -- is to turn off the tracking cookies and other software gizmos that tell one how many visited a site or downloaded or whatever! And particularly when one confesses publicly that one knows all visitors! Something is just not right in that picture!! > > > > TRUST always begins at home and even for a hermit, that must be where he truly is! > > > > " Bhul Chook leni deni " , as I saw written on the back wall of those in the India where I grew up -- who impressed me with what service is really about! > > > > My apologies if I rubbed you the wrong way! > > > > Not intentional at all. You have called me 'Dada' privately and publicly! I must do my duty! > > > > Rohini-da > > > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > No software developer is pressurized for presenting comparative case studies which took me 200 hours, and then if I ask them to discuss it, it is unfair to say : " case study is only for purpose for individual enlightenment and no coercion at all " . > > > > > > I am not pressurizing anyone, my point is for those who demanded case studies but are now ignoring to discuss. > > > > > > Only one person has read the case studies so far, and he discusses in private mails, perhaps rightly because many (not all) members in open fora often do not like what they are not habituated to and disrupt or divert discussions. > > > > > > -VJ > > > > > > ============ ========= = ==== > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> > > > > > > Sunday, June 7, 2009 8:02:49 AM > > > Re: Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > After exhaustive study of BPHS by you,you say that excepting for basics,(there are some interpolations( transalted versions?) found to be dubious. > > > Your approach for surya siddhantic principles and the software innovated are all good but case study is only for purpose for individual enlightenment and no coercion at all.In any case mundane issues always help us for our basic understanding of software and to test the fficacy of system. > > > vrkrishnan > > > > > > --- On Wed, 6/3/09, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote: > > > > > > Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > > > > Re: Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > > > > > Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 6:19 AM > > > > > > To All, > > > > > > I was pressed to present Case Studies. Now what is the problem in discussing and proving Suryasiddhanta to be wrong, which proves accurate in 100% cases in all these case studies ? I have consistently followed BPHS and Suryasiddhanta. Please find fault in my approach. It is a request to civil members, and a challenge to abusers of Suryasiddhanta. > > > > > > I have given links of official rainfall data. Anyone can check my method. It is not only a case of mundane astrology, because I used BPHS rules of individual horoscopy to interpret the solar transit charts. 100% accuracy of Suryasiddhanta also means that BPHS is also 100% accurate (esp its basics, excluding some dubious portions which may be interpolations, which have no relevance in my case studies). > > > > > > I will present individual case studies also, for which I am searching for reliable data which could not be challenged as my manipulations. 100% impartiality and 100% scientific approach towards astrology proves Suryasiddhanta and BPHS to be 100% correct. It does not mean other approaches are wrong, because Suryasiddhanta in Ganita and BPHS in phalita are only surviving apaurusheya or Rishi-made texts which treat astrology comprehensively (Jaimini Sutra is incomplete : only two chapters are extant, while 98 chapters of BPHS have survived out of original 100. All other approaches are later developments which owe their correctness to Suryasiddhanta and BPHS, and related texts. No single text contains complete Suryasiddhanta or complete BPHS. Much has been lost during millenia of transmission, and their are interpolations too. Other texts help us in reconstruction of Vedic-puranic tradition of Jyotisha whose mainstay is Suryasiddhanta in Ganita and BPHS > in > > > phalita. > > > > > > -Vinay Jha. > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > vattem krishnan <bursar_99 > > > > > > > Wednesday, June 3, 2009 1:44:05 PM > > > Re: Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > > > > > Dear Vinay Ji,Arjun Ji and all senior members, > > > Surya Siddhanta being a classical approach we have no doubts in it's reliability or being made as a base for several Almanacs in the country. > > > The laudable effort of Shri Vinayaji lies in making it's application internet savy and also considers munadane applications as it's obejectivity guiding the all human beings in the welfare of the state. > > > I know individual chart have their own inconsistencies in what ever way we derive through physical movements of planets as is being done or otherwise. > > > Now Ayanamsa that comes to fore basically on account physical movement of planets can not be neagated till some more as we get access to case charts and study difference between two obvious approaches.Fortunat ely we have Mercury at last turning direct that helps every one of us in saving our time as issues are likely to be less misunderstood or no effort to think only interms of read between lines. > > > case studies are always of immense value as it provides an opportunity to understand in great details. > > > Astrologer,after all need data and it's dissemination interms of planetary results.We alway find people rushing to Astrologers but interpretation given were always interrogated in terms of consistency. This is where our mutaul perspectives and understanding of the basic principles of jyotish will help us > > > vrkrishnan > > > > > > --- On Tue, 6/2/09, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > wrote: > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > > > > Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > > > > > Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 9:35 PM > > > > > > dear vinayji > > > > > > firstly i appreciate your approach to the audience by furnishing them with case studies. your seeking shortcomings and suggestions for improvement is the positive spirit of a researcher. > > > > > > since i learnt astrology in north india and studied most texts only in hindi and sanskrit, let me also inform the audience that surya siddhanta is the base for almost all panchangas in the cow belt including the government of india published one. this makes surya siddhanta as an accepted base of astronomy and we find its references as bases in MANY government of india websites and scientific organisations that gauge astronomy and are involved into panchanga. > > > > > > if i read the initial reaction mails to yours earlier, the audience felt the base of your software viz. surya siddhanta as something cooked in your kitchen or picked from some remote corner not familiar and accepted elsewhere. am aware that most kashi pandits (astrologers) and BHU uses this surya siddhanta. if other softwares base on something else in other geographies, it is fine but they shall not find surya siddhanta as alien and unacceptable. > > > > > > the modern audience with vast resources of internt available at fingertips, would be convinced not by telling from our mouth but by furnishing them the accepted published references, substantiations and corroborations. accordingly, you are requested to publish the names of all government of india organisations and publications that clearly mention surya siddhanta as their base for astronomy and also for panchanga forecast so that natives find it easier to get convinced about the acceptance of the surya siddhanta in the first place. > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > pandit arjun > > > www.rudraksahremedy .com > > > > > > , " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > To All : > > > > > > > > 20 Case Studies have been placed at Click_Here > > > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Annual+Rains+ -2+%3A+Worst+ Years> > > > > . Ten best and ten worst years in the recorded history of Indian > > > > Monsoons have been astrologically analyzed according to easiest and > > > > basic rules of individual horodcopy, esp of Parashara (BPHS). Comparison > > > > of Suryasiddhantic and modern astronomical charts have been carried out. > > > > > > > > Please point out the shortcomings. I will try to improve the > > > > presentation according to suggestions. > > > > > > > > Four individual case studies of Death are Click_Here > > > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Prediction+ of+Death> . > > > > > > > > One individual case study of Brain Damage is Click_Here > > > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Brain+Damage> . > > > > > > > > One case study of Aircraft Crash is Click_Here > > > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Aircraft+ Crash+AF447> , which is > > > > a summary of 18 detailed mundane charts. > > > > > > > > In addition to these 26 case studies, I will try to put more. > > > > > > > > -Vinay Jha > > > > ============ ======= ===== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2009 Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 To whom so ever it concerns arjun uvaacha sannyaasaM karmaNaaM krShNa punaryogaM cha shaMsasi yacChreya etayorekaM tanme bruuhi sunishchitam.. Arjun Asked: O'Krishna, You have praised Sankhya Yoga and also Karma yoga. Please declare which is definitely best of the two shriibhagavaanuvaacha sannyaasaH karmayogashcha niHshreyasakaraavubhau tayostu karmasannyaasaatkarmayogo vishiShyate.. Shree Bhagavan Krishna replies: Both sanyasa and karma yoga are blissfull. of the two karma yoga is particularly excellent Sreemad Bhagavat Geetha chapter 5 verse 1 & 2 A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > Dear Dada, > > You can call me whatever you like, but I did not like to tell you one thing, which now I must remind : I am not a grihastha. For a sanyaasi, family relations do not count. I NEVER addressed my mundane father as " father " even in my childhood, exceting when I was one or two years old which I do not remember fully, although he was a very powerful politician and our relations were cordial, although he was sad for my refusal to call him father and for my refusal to take a worldly path ever since I was 13-14 years old. He was a non-veg, and at last I succeeded in converting him. He had a good knowledge of shaastras and after I formally announced to him that I am taking dikshaa, he started doing " pranaama " to me which was highly embarassing to me as well as to those around. But he knew that grihastha ashrama is inferior to vaanprashtha and sanyaasa. A sanyaasi should not ask others to respect him. But if a sanyaasi is innecessarily attacked and insulted, it > is an attack and insult on God, and the result is sin. A real sanyaasi does not care for insults, but should prevent others from insulting him because such insults give sin to those who insult sanyaasis. > > These are genenal statements, not referring to you in any respect. In my childhood, I was reprimanded for addressing my servant without a " Ji " . > > I started adding Da for you because I did it for Sunil Da, and it seemed it will be unfair and undemocratic to avoid you. But it does not imply that my feelings for you have changed.I respect you as I did earlier. > > > -VJ > > ====================== ============ > > > ________________________________ > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan > > Sunday, June 7, 2009 9:35:58 PM > Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > > > > > Dear Vinay Ji, > > When someone addresses me as Dada, privately or publicly, and treats me like an elder brother whether just out of politeness or sincerely does he or she not give me the right automatically to address them by their first name or first name with a -bhai added? At least that was the practice in my family and the culture in the part of India where I was raised! So what is this talk about servants and what not? That said, a monk should be a servant of God and God lives in every being! Not everyone may have faith in that simple truth, but I do! > > As to the cookie thing, I have already explained in an earlier message why I wrote that. I agree that you may be right that I should have been more careful because some person may misinterpret my words. My apologies for that. > > RR > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > > Rohini Da, > > > > Here is your own message : > > > > " turn off the tracking cookies and other software gizmos that tell one how many visited a site or downloaded or whatever! And particularly when one confesses publicly that one knows all visitors! Something is just not right in that picture!! " > > > > It is a public forum and others also read your posts and may derive all sorts of meanings, and I deliberately overreacted to make you see possible permutations and combinations of your statements. Cookies and tracking software may be good, but they are used by businessmen. I have no need of them. Besides, I do not know who download Kundalee and who do not, unless they inform me. Some of them inform me privately due to the bad climate created in recent past by a dedicated team. > > > > In my family all servants were addressed with a 'Ji'. Now at an advanced age, I will try to learn what I was unaccustomed to even in my childhood. Only students are addressed without a 'Ji' in my environment. > > > > -VJ > > ============ ========= ==== == > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > Sunday, June 7, 2009 2:45:25 PM > > Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vinay-bhai, > > > > Please re-read your message! You overreacted! I was just going with how you have always come across in your public messages as if you knew who read your articles, and who downloaded your software and who did not! > > > > Why you must take that 'all the way' to another dimension and to interpret it to mean private data and bank accounts and what not was neither necessary, intended or made sense, but was disturbing. > > > > If I had misgivings like that, I would not have carried out a conversation with you at all! > > > > Cookies and tracking software seem to have become the reality on internet these days. It is not necessarily something nefarious! Nor a charge against you as long as the intention is about collecting statistics. Many websites of good reputation do that, > > > > Please do seriously consider what I wrote and do not feel hurt by what wes never meant to in the first place! > > > > Rohini-da > > > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Rohini Da, > > > > > > I do not know nor do I want to know how cookies or tracking softwares are made. I did not ever made a site of my own, where such tracking and visitor-counting procedures can be installed. I use free websites offered by others, in which cookies and visitor-counting codes cannot be inserted. For uploading and downloading Kundalee, I could not use those free websites which cannot allow files bigger than 10 MB, whereas zipped kundalee file has already exceeded 14 MB. Hence, I've to upload it on another free service : http://www.datafile host.com/ > > > > > > This site does not belong to me, and I cannot remove its visitor-counting feature, nor do I want to, becaise some members of AIA were saying that Kundalee is undownloadable, hence there must be a counter to see whether they were right or wrong. > > > > > > You are levelling a wrong charge on me : > > > > > > <<< " What one needs to gain trust, acceptance and LOVE -- that comes pretty > > > readily in this astrological reality -- is toturn off the tracking > > > cookies and other software gizmos that tell one how many visited a site > > > or downloaded or whatever! And particularly when one confesses publicly > > > that one knows all visitors! Something is just not right in that > > > picture!! " >>> > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh in AIA had guessed that I am tracking AIA members after I told him that AIA members were downloading Kundalee in large numbers in spite of his claims that it is undownloadable. At that time, AIA was the only forum in which Kundalee was announced (by him, not by me), and other forums were quite ignorant of Kundalee. Hence, it was not difficult to guess that the downloads at that time were almost wholly from AIA members which you translate as " one confesses publicly > > > that one knows all visitors! " . Sreenadh also imagined that I was tracking AIA !! I have too much of serious tasks to learn and indulge in such mean tricks. I had no plan to announce Kundalee in any forum at all. Sreenadh got me involved in these fora AGAINST my will. I did not know that most of members in these fora do not know Hindi. Kundalee was not fully translated into English. I was not prepared for English fora with a Hindi software. > > > > > > I am surprized at your misgivings about me. Now I understand why you keep away from Kundalee, you fear Kundalee has some spyware (tracking > > > cookies) which will steal your private data !! > > > > > > I never learnt internet programming, which is proven by the fact that I do not any website with my own domain, where such tracking cookies can be uploaded. I use free sites offered by others where limited services are offered. I know only one language : Visual Basic, which cannot create spyware as far as I know (I do not know everything about Visual Basic, because I only needed one type of program : standard exe type needed for astrological softwares). > > > > > > I always knew from your language that you had misgivings about me, but I did not know you took me to a spy peeping into other's accounts with my tracking > > > cookies . Thanks for opening your heart. There is no way I can prove that I do not know internet programming , only experienced programmers can know this fact, which is clear from the type of my program. You are not a programmer, hence you can imagine all sort of things about me. I have already said that I have done my duty by presenting the traditional siddhantic aspect of Vedic Astrology and it is not my concern whether people believe me to be a software programmer or a thief stealing their bank accounts with my tracking > > > cookies which I do not even know how to make. The counter you refer to belong to http://www.datafile host.com/ wich offers free file uploading and downloading services. > > > > > > -VJ > > > ============ ========= == == > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > Sunday, June 7, 2009 9:49:22 AM > > > Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vinay ji, > > > > > > Do you not get it, at all? > > > > > > No one sees you as a mere software developer! Here or elsewhere, even where you feel attacked and diminuited (is that a real word? It is now!) > > > > > > I do not for one. > > > > > > What one needs to gain trust, acceptance and LOVE -- that comes pretty readily in this astrological reality -- is to turn off the tracking cookies and other software gizmos that tell one how many visited a site or downloaded or whatever! And particularly when one confesses publicly that one knows all visitors! Something is just not right in that picture!! > > > > > > TRUST always begins at home and even for a hermit, that must be where he truly is! > > > > > > " Bhul Chook leni deni " , as I saw written on the back wall of those in the India where I grew up -- who impressed me with what service is really about! > > > > > > My apologies if I rubbed you the wrong way! > > > > > > Not intentional at all. You have called me 'Dada' privately and publicly! I must do my duty! > > > > > > Rohini-da > > > > > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > No software developer is pressurized for presenting comparative case studies which took me 200 hours, and then if I ask them to discuss it, it is unfair to say : " case study is only for purpose for individual enlightenment and no coercion at all " . > > > > > > > > I am not pressurizing anyone, my point is for those who demanded case studies but are now ignoring to discuss. > > > > > > > > Only one person has read the case studies so far, and he discusses in private mails, perhaps rightly because many (not all) members in open fora often do not like what they are not habituated to and disrupt or divert discussions. > > > > > > > > -VJ > > > > > > > > ============ ========= = ==== > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> > > > > > > > > Sunday, June 7, 2009 8:02:49 AM > > > > Re: Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > After exhaustive study of BPHS by you,you say that excepting for basics,(there are some interpolations( transalted versions?) found to be dubious. > > > > Your approach for surya siddhantic principles and the software innovated are all good but case study is only for purpose for individual enlightenment and no coercion at all.In any case mundane issues always help us for our basic understanding of software and to test the fficacy of system. > > > > vrkrishnan > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 6/3/09, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > > > > > Re: Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > > > > > > > Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 6:19 AM > > > > > > > > To All, > > > > > > > > I was pressed to present Case Studies. Now what is the problem in discussing and proving Suryasiddhanta to be wrong, which proves accurate in 100% cases in all these case studies ? I have consistently followed BPHS and Suryasiddhanta. Please find fault in my approach. It is a request to civil members, and a challenge to abusers of Suryasiddhanta. > > > > > > > > I have given links of official rainfall data. Anyone can check my method. It is not only a case of mundane astrology, because I used BPHS rules of individual horoscopy to interpret the solar transit charts. 100% accuracy of Suryasiddhanta also means that BPHS is also 100% accurate (esp its basics, excluding some dubious portions which may be interpolations, which have no relevance in my case studies). > > > > > > > > I will present individual case studies also, for which I am searching for reliable data which could not be challenged as my manipulations. 100% impartiality and 100% scientific approach towards astrology proves Suryasiddhanta and BPHS to be 100% correct. It does not mean other approaches are wrong, because Suryasiddhanta in Ganita and BPHS in phalita are only surviving apaurusheya or Rishi-made texts which treat astrology comprehensively (Jaimini Sutra is incomplete : only two chapters are extant, while 98 chapters of BPHS have survived out of original 100. All other approaches are later developments which owe their correctness to Suryasiddhanta and BPHS, and related texts. No single text contains complete Suryasiddhanta or complete BPHS. Much has been lost during millenia of transmission, and their are interpolations too. Other texts help us in reconstruction of Vedic-puranic tradition of Jyotisha whose mainstay is Suryasiddhanta in Ganita and BPHS > > in > > > > phalita. > > > > > > > > -Vinay Jha. > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > vattem krishnan <bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, June 3, 2009 1:44:05 PM > > > > Re: Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > > > > > > > Dear Vinay Ji,Arjun Ji and all senior members, > > > > Surya Siddhanta being a classical approach we have no doubts in it's reliability or being made as a base for several Almanacs in the country. > > > > The laudable effort of Shri Vinayaji lies in making it's application internet savy and also considers munadane applications as it's obejectivity guiding the all human beings in the welfare of the state. > > > > I know individual chart have their own inconsistencies in what ever way we derive through physical movements of planets as is being done or otherwise. > > > > Now Ayanamsa that comes to fore basically on account physical movement of planets can not be neagated till some more as we get access to case charts and study difference between two obvious approaches.Fortunat ely we have Mercury at last turning direct that helps every one of us in saving our time as issues are likely to be less misunderstood or no effort to think only interms of read between lines. > > > > case studies are always of immense value as it provides an opportunity to understand in great details. > > > > Astrologer,after all need data and it's dissemination interms of planetary results.We alway find people rushing to Astrologers but interpretation given were always interrogated in terms of consistency. This is where our mutaul perspectives and understanding of the basic principles of jyotish will help us > > > > vrkrishnan > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 6/2/09, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > > > > > Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > > > > > > > Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 9:35 PM > > > > > > > > dear vinayji > > > > > > > > firstly i appreciate your approach to the audience by furnishing them with case studies. your seeking shortcomings and suggestions for improvement is the positive spirit of a researcher. > > > > > > > > since i learnt astrology in north india and studied most texts only in hindi and sanskrit, let me also inform the audience that surya siddhanta is the base for almost all panchangas in the cow belt including the government of india published one. this makes surya siddhanta as an accepted base of astronomy and we find its references as bases in MANY government of india websites and scientific organisations that gauge astronomy and are involved into panchanga. > > > > > > > > if i read the initial reaction mails to yours earlier, the audience felt the base of your software viz. surya siddhanta as something cooked in your kitchen or picked from some remote corner not familiar and accepted elsewhere. am aware that most kashi pandits (astrologers) and BHU uses this surya siddhanta. if other softwares base on something else in other geographies, it is fine but they shall not find surya siddhanta as alien and unacceptable. > > > > > > > > the modern audience with vast resources of internt available at fingertips, would be convinced not by telling from our mouth but by furnishing them the accepted published references, substantiations and corroborations. accordingly, you are requested to publish the names of all government of india organisations and publications that clearly mention surya siddhanta as their base for astronomy and also for panchanga forecast so that natives find it easier to get convinced about the acceptance of the surya siddhanta in the first place. > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > pandit arjun > > > > www.rudraksahremedy .com > > > > > > > > , " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > To All : > > > > > > > > > > 20 Case Studies have been placed at Click_Here > > > > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Annual+Rains+ -2+%3A+Worst+ Years> > > > > > . Ten best and ten worst years in the recorded history of Indian > > > > > Monsoons have been astrologically analyzed according to easiest and > > > > > basic rules of individual horodcopy, esp of Parashara (BPHS). Comparison > > > > > of Suryasiddhantic and modern astronomical charts have been carried out. > > > > > > > > > > Please point out the shortcomings. I will try to improve the > > > > > presentation according to suggestions. > > > > > > > > > > Four individual case studies of Death are Click_Here > > > > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Prediction+ of+Death> . > > > > > > > > > > One individual case study of Brain Damage is Click_Here > > > > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Brain+Damage> . > > > > > > > > > > One case study of Aircraft Crash is Click_Here > > > > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Aircraft+ Crash+AF447> , which is > > > > > a summary of 18 detailed mundane charts. > > > > > > > > > > In addition to these 26 case studies, I will try to put more. > > > > > > > > > > -Vinay Jha > > > > > ============ ======= ===== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2009 Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 Dear Vinay JEE, Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Ashrams as all four were called Brahmacharya, Grihastha, Vanaprastha, Sanyaasa are four stages where most souls must seek rest and Ashraya. None is inferior or superior really! It is like real life. One must wake up and get PREPARED. Then one must go to WORK. One must come back home and rest and RELAX and finally one must turn off the worldly reality and let the SOUL come alive through meditation and sleep. Just the simple four stages that an ordinary non-hermit individual goes through in a more material sense. All four essential, three would not do! I believe that ALL activities in this creation are analogous, though their specific goals and objectives may be different! As long as you are true to your reality, whether you are grihastha, sanyaasi, executive, teacher, butcher, even politician -- and serving your life-plan which you came here to fulfil and please your FATHER and MOTHER -- you have nothing to worry about or to EXPLAIN repeatedly, to others or to yourself!! Rohiniranjan , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > Dear Dada, > > You can call me whatever you like, but I did not like to tell you one thing, which now I must remind : I am not a grihastha. For a sanyaasi, family relations do not count. I NEVER addressed my mundane father as " father " even in my childhood, exceting when I was one or two years old which I do not remember fully, although he was a very powerful politician and our relations were cordial, although he was sad for my refusal to call him father and for my refusal to take a worldly path ever since I was 13-14 years old. He was a non-veg, and at last I succeeded in converting him. He had a good knowledge of shaastras and after I formally announced to him that I am taking dikshaa, he started doing " pranaama " to me which was highly embarassing to me as well as to those around. But he knew that grihastha ashrama is inferior to vaanprashtha and sanyaasa. A sanyaasi should not ask others to respect him. But if a sanyaasi is innecessarily attacked and insulted, it > is an attack and insult on God, and the result is sin. A real sanyaasi does not care for insults, but should prevent others from insulting him because such insults give sin to those who insult sanyaasis. > > These are genenal statements, not referring to you in any respect. In my childhood, I was reprimanded for addressing my servant without a " Ji " . > > I started adding Da for you because I did it for Sunil Da, and it seemed it will be unfair and undemocratic to avoid you. But it does not imply that my feelings for you have changed.I respect you as I did earlier. > > > -VJ > > ====================== ============ > > > ________________________________ > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan > > Sunday, June 7, 2009 9:35:58 PM > Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > > > > > Dear Vinay Ji, > > When someone addresses me as Dada, privately or publicly, and treats me like an elder brother whether just out of politeness or sincerely does he or she not give me the right automatically to address them by their first name or first name with a -bhai added? At least that was the practice in my family and the culture in the part of India where I was raised! So what is this talk about servants and what not? That said, a monk should be a servant of God and God lives in every being! Not everyone may have faith in that simple truth, but I do! > > As to the cookie thing, I have already explained in an earlier message why I wrote that. I agree that you may be right that I should have been more careful because some person may misinterpret my words. My apologies for that. > > RR > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > > Rohini Da, > > > > Here is your own message : > > > > " turn off the tracking cookies and other software gizmos that tell one how many visited a site or downloaded or whatever! And particularly when one confesses publicly that one knows all visitors! Something is just not right in that picture!! " > > > > It is a public forum and others also read your posts and may derive all sorts of meanings, and I deliberately overreacted to make you see possible permutations and combinations of your statements. Cookies and tracking software may be good, but they are used by businessmen. I have no need of them. Besides, I do not know who download Kundalee and who do not, unless they inform me. Some of them inform me privately due to the bad climate created in recent past by a dedicated team. > > > > In my family all servants were addressed with a 'Ji'. Now at an advanced age, I will try to learn what I was unaccustomed to even in my childhood. Only students are addressed without a 'Ji' in my environment. > > > > -VJ > > ============ ========= ==== == > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > Sunday, June 7, 2009 2:45:25 PM > > Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vinay-bhai, > > > > Please re-read your message! You overreacted! I was just going with how you have always come across in your public messages as if you knew who read your articles, and who downloaded your software and who did not! > > > > Why you must take that 'all the way' to another dimension and to interpret it to mean private data and bank accounts and what not was neither necessary, intended or made sense, but was disturbing. > > > > If I had misgivings like that, I would not have carried out a conversation with you at all! > > > > Cookies and tracking software seem to have become the reality on internet these days. It is not necessarily something nefarious! Nor a charge against you as long as the intention is about collecting statistics. Many websites of good reputation do that, > > > > Please do seriously consider what I wrote and do not feel hurt by what wes never meant to in the first place! > > > > Rohini-da > > > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Rohini Da, > > > > > > I do not know nor do I want to know how cookies or tracking softwares are made. I did not ever made a site of my own, where such tracking and visitor-counting procedures can be installed. I use free websites offered by others, in which cookies and visitor-counting codes cannot be inserted. For uploading and downloading Kundalee, I could not use those free websites which cannot allow files bigger than 10 MB, whereas zipped kundalee file has already exceeded 14 MB. Hence, I've to upload it on another free service : http://www.datafile host.com/ > > > > > > This site does not belong to me, and I cannot remove its visitor-counting feature, nor do I want to, becaise some members of AIA were saying that Kundalee is undownloadable, hence there must be a counter to see whether they were right or wrong. > > > > > > You are levelling a wrong charge on me : > > > > > > <<< " What one needs to gain trust, acceptance and LOVE -- that comes pretty > > > readily in this astrological reality -- is toturn off the tracking > > > cookies and other software gizmos that tell one how many visited a site > > > or downloaded or whatever! And particularly when one confesses publicly > > > that one knows all visitors! Something is just not right in that > > > picture!! " >>> > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh in AIA had guessed that I am tracking AIA members after I told him that AIA members were downloading Kundalee in large numbers in spite of his claims that it is undownloadable. At that time, AIA was the only forum in which Kundalee was announced (by him, not by me), and other forums were quite ignorant of Kundalee. Hence, it was not difficult to guess that the downloads at that time were almost wholly from AIA members which you translate as " one confesses publicly > > > that one knows all visitors! " . Sreenadh also imagined that I was tracking AIA !! I have too much of serious tasks to learn and indulge in such mean tricks. I had no plan to announce Kundalee in any forum at all. Sreenadh got me involved in these fora AGAINST my will. I did not know that most of members in these fora do not know Hindi. Kundalee was not fully translated into English. I was not prepared for English fora with a Hindi software. > > > > > > I am surprized at your misgivings about me. Now I understand why you keep away from Kundalee, you fear Kundalee has some spyware (tracking > > > cookies) which will steal your private data !! > > > > > > I never learnt internet programming, which is proven by the fact that I do not any website with my own domain, where such tracking cookies can be uploaded. I use free sites offered by others where limited services are offered. I know only one language : Visual Basic, which cannot create spyware as far as I know (I do not know everything about Visual Basic, because I only needed one type of program : standard exe type needed for astrological softwares). > > > > > > I always knew from your language that you had misgivings about me, but I did not know you took me to a spy peeping into other's accounts with my tracking > > > cookies . Thanks for opening your heart. There is no way I can prove that I do not know internet programming , only experienced programmers can know this fact, which is clear from the type of my program. You are not a programmer, hence you can imagine all sort of things about me. I have already said that I have done my duty by presenting the traditional siddhantic aspect of Vedic Astrology and it is not my concern whether people believe me to be a software programmer or a thief stealing their bank accounts with my tracking > > > cookies which I do not even know how to make. The counter you refer to belong to http://www.datafile host.com/ wich offers free file uploading and downloading services. > > > > > > -VJ > > > ============ ========= == == > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > Sunday, June 7, 2009 9:49:22 AM > > > Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vinay ji, > > > > > > Do you not get it, at all? > > > > > > No one sees you as a mere software developer! Here or elsewhere, even where you feel attacked and diminuited (is that a real word? It is now!) > > > > > > I do not for one. > > > > > > What one needs to gain trust, acceptance and LOVE -- that comes pretty readily in this astrological reality -- is to turn off the tracking cookies and other software gizmos that tell one how many visited a site or downloaded or whatever! And particularly when one confesses publicly that one knows all visitors! Something is just not right in that picture!! > > > > > > TRUST always begins at home and even for a hermit, that must be where he truly is! > > > > > > " Bhul Chook leni deni " , as I saw written on the back wall of those in the India where I grew up -- who impressed me with what service is really about! > > > > > > My apologies if I rubbed you the wrong way! > > > > > > Not intentional at all. You have called me 'Dada' privately and publicly! I must do my duty! > > > > > > Rohini-da > > > > > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > No software developer is pressurized for presenting comparative case studies which took me 200 hours, and then if I ask them to discuss it, it is unfair to say : " case study is only for purpose for individual enlightenment and no coercion at all " . > > > > > > > > I am not pressurizing anyone, my point is for those who demanded case studies but are now ignoring to discuss. > > > > > > > > Only one person has read the case studies so far, and he discusses in private mails, perhaps rightly because many (not all) members in open fora often do not like what they are not habituated to and disrupt or divert discussions. > > > > > > > > -VJ > > > > > > > > ============ ========= = ==== > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> > > > > > > > > Sunday, June 7, 2009 8:02:49 AM > > > > Re: Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > After exhaustive study of BPHS by you,you say that excepting for basics,(there are some interpolations( transalted versions?) found to be dubious. > > > > Your approach for surya siddhantic principles and the software innovated are all good but case study is only for purpose for individual enlightenment and no coercion at all.In any case mundane issues always help us for our basic understanding of software and to test the fficacy of system. > > > > vrkrishnan > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 6/3/09, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > > > > > Re: Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > > > > > > > Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 6:19 AM > > > > > > > > To All, > > > > > > > > I was pressed to present Case Studies. Now what is the problem in discussing and proving Suryasiddhanta to be wrong, which proves accurate in 100% cases in all these case studies ? I have consistently followed BPHS and Suryasiddhanta. Please find fault in my approach. It is a request to civil members, and a challenge to abusers of Suryasiddhanta. > > > > > > > > I have given links of official rainfall data. Anyone can check my method. It is not only a case of mundane astrology, because I used BPHS rules of individual horoscopy to interpret the solar transit charts. 100% accuracy of Suryasiddhanta also means that BPHS is also 100% accurate (esp its basics, excluding some dubious portions which may be interpolations, which have no relevance in my case studies). > > > > > > > > I will present individual case studies also, for which I am searching for reliable data which could not be challenged as my manipulations. 100% impartiality and 100% scientific approach towards astrology proves Suryasiddhanta and BPHS to be 100% correct. It does not mean other approaches are wrong, because Suryasiddhanta in Ganita and BPHS in phalita are only surviving apaurusheya or Rishi-made texts which treat astrology comprehensively (Jaimini Sutra is incomplete : only two chapters are extant, while 98 chapters of BPHS have survived out of original 100. All other approaches are later developments which owe their correctness to Suryasiddhanta and BPHS, and related texts. No single text contains complete Suryasiddhanta or complete BPHS. Much has been lost during millenia of transmission, and their are interpolations too. Other texts help us in reconstruction of Vedic-puranic tradition of Jyotisha whose mainstay is Suryasiddhanta in Ganita and BPHS > > in > > > > phalita. > > > > > > > > -Vinay Jha. > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > vattem krishnan <bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, June 3, 2009 1:44:05 PM > > > > Re: Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > > > > > > > Dear Vinay Ji,Arjun Ji and all senior members, > > > > Surya Siddhanta being a classical approach we have no doubts in it's reliability or being made as a base for several Almanacs in the country. > > > > The laudable effort of Shri Vinayaji lies in making it's application internet savy and also considers munadane applications as it's obejectivity guiding the all human beings in the welfare of the state. > > > > I know individual chart have their own inconsistencies in what ever way we derive through physical movements of planets as is being done or otherwise. > > > > Now Ayanamsa that comes to fore basically on account physical movement of planets can not be neagated till some more as we get access to case charts and study difference between two obvious approaches.Fortunat ely we have Mercury at last turning direct that helps every one of us in saving our time as issues are likely to be less misunderstood or no effort to think only interms of read between lines. > > > > case studies are always of immense value as it provides an opportunity to understand in great details. > > > > Astrologer,after all need data and it's dissemination interms of planetary results.We alway find people rushing to Astrologers but interpretation given were always interrogated in terms of consistency. This is where our mutaul perspectives and understanding of the basic principles of jyotish will help us > > > > vrkrishnan > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 6/2/09, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > > > > > Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > > > > > > > Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 9:35 PM > > > > > > > > dear vinayji > > > > > > > > firstly i appreciate your approach to the audience by furnishing them with case studies. your seeking shortcomings and suggestions for improvement is the positive spirit of a researcher. > > > > > > > > since i learnt astrology in north india and studied most texts only in hindi and sanskrit, let me also inform the audience that surya siddhanta is the base for almost all panchangas in the cow belt including the government of india published one. this makes surya siddhanta as an accepted base of astronomy and we find its references as bases in MANY government of india websites and scientific organisations that gauge astronomy and are involved into panchanga. > > > > > > > > if i read the initial reaction mails to yours earlier, the audience felt the base of your software viz. surya siddhanta as something cooked in your kitchen or picked from some remote corner not familiar and accepted elsewhere. am aware that most kashi pandits (astrologers) and BHU uses this surya siddhanta. if other softwares base on something else in other geographies, it is fine but they shall not find surya siddhanta as alien and unacceptable. > > > > > > > > the modern audience with vast resources of internt available at fingertips, would be convinced not by telling from our mouth but by furnishing them the accepted published references, substantiations and corroborations. accordingly, you are requested to publish the names of all government of india organisations and publications that clearly mention surya siddhanta as their base for astronomy and also for panchanga forecast so that natives find it easier to get convinced about the acceptance of the surya siddhanta in the first place. > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > pandit arjun > > > > www.rudraksahremedy .com > > > > > > > > , " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > To All : > > > > > > > > > > 20 Case Studies have been placed at Click_Here > > > > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Annual+Rains+ -2+%3A+Worst+ Years> > > > > > . Ten best and ten worst years in the recorded history of Indian > > > > > Monsoons have been astrologically analyzed according to easiest and > > > > > basic rules of individual horodcopy, esp of Parashara (BPHS). Comparison > > > > > of Suryasiddhantic and modern astronomical charts have been carried out. > > > > > > > > > > Please point out the shortcomings. I will try to improve the > > > > > presentation according to suggestions. > > > > > > > > > > Four individual case studies of Death are Click_Here > > > > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Prediction+ of+Death> . > > > > > > > > > > One individual case study of Brain Damage is Click_Here > > > > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Brain+Damage> . > > > > > > > > > > One case study of Aircraft Crash is Click_Here > > > > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Aircraft+ Crash+AF447> , which is > > > > > a summary of 18 detailed mundane charts. > > > > > > > > > > In addition to these 26 case studies, I will try to put more. > > > > > > > > > > -Vinay Jha > > > > > ============ ======= ===== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2009 Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 Dear Suresh Babu I hv given below what the verse actually means. Source is http://iskcon.com/books/bg/bg.php?ch=5 Text 1 arjuna uvaca sannyasam karmanam krsna punar yogam ca samsasi yac chreya etayor ekam tan me bruhi su-niscitam Synonyms arjunah uvaca--Arjuna said; sannyasam--renunciation; karmanam--of all activities; krsna--O Krsna; punah--again; yogam--devotional service; ca--also; samsasi--You are praising; yat--which; sreyah--is more beneficial; etayoh--of these two; ekam--one; tat--that; me--unto me; bruhi--please tell; su-niscitam--definitely. Translation Arjuna said: O Krsna, first of all You ask me to renounce work, and then again You recommend work with devotion. Now will You kindly tell me definitely which of the two is more beneficial? Purport In this Fifth Chapter of the Bhagavad-gita, the Lord says that work in devotional service is better than dry mental speculation. Devotional service is easier than the latter because, being transcendental in nature, it frees one from reaction. In the Second Chapter, preliminary knowledge of the soul and its entanglement in the material body were explained. How to get out of this material encagement by buddhi-yoga, or devotional service, was also explained therein. In the Third Chapter, it was explained that a person who is situated on the platform of knowledge no longer has any duties to perform. And in the Fourth Chapter the Lord told Arjuna that all kinds of sacrificial work culminate in knowledge. However, at the end of the Fourth Chapter, the Lord advised Arjuna to wake up and fight, being situated in perfect knowledge. Therefore, by simultaneously stressing the importance of both work in devotion and inaction in knowledge, Krsna has perplexed Arjuna and confused his determination. Arjuna understands that renunciation in knowledge involves cessation of all kinds of work performed as sense activities. But if one performs work in devotional service, then how is work stopped? In other words, he thinks that sannyasa, or renunciation in knowledge, should be altogether free from all kinds of activity, because work and renunciation appear to him to be incompatible. He appears not to have understood that work in full knowledge is nonreactive and is therefore the same as inaction. He inquires, therefore, whether he should cease work altogether or work with full knowledge. Text 2 sri-bhagavan uvaca sannyasah karma-yogas ca nihsreyasa-karav ubhau tayos tu karma-sannyasat karma-yogo visisyate Synonyms sri-bhagavan uvaca--the Personality of Godhead said; sannyasah--renunciation of work; karma-yogah--work in devotion; ca--also; nihsreyasa-karau--leading to the path of liberation; ubhau--both; tayoh--of the two; tu--but; karma-sannyasat--in comparison to the renunciation of fruitive work; karma-yogah--work in devotion; visisyate--is better. Translation The Personality of Godhead replied: The renunciation of work and work in devotion are both good for liberation. But, of the two, work in devotional service is better than renunciation of work. Purport Fruitive activities (seeking sense gratification) are cause for material bondage. As long as one is engaged in activities aimed at improving the standard of bodily comfort, one is sure to transmigrate to different types of bodies, thereby continuing material bondage perpetually. Srimad-Bhagavatam (5.5.4-6) confirms this as follows: nunam pramattah kurute vikarma yad indriya-pritaya aprnoti na sadhu manye yata atmano 'yam asann api klesa-da asa dehah parabhavas tavad abodha-jato yavan najijnasata atma-tattvam yavat kriyas tavad idam mano vai karmatmakam yena sarira-bandhah evam manah karma-vasam prayunkte avidyayatmany upadhi yamane pritir na yavan mayi vasudeve na mucyate deha-yogena tavat " People are mad after sense gratification, and they do not know that this present body, which is full of miseries, is a result of one's fruitive activities in the past. Although this body is temporary, it is always giving one trouble in many ways. Therefore, to act for sense gratification is not good. One is considered to be a failure in life as long as he makes no inquiry about his real identity. As long as he does not know his real identity, he has to work for fruitive results for sense gratification, and as long as one is engrossed in the consciousness of sense gratification one has to transmigrate from one body to another. Although the mind may be engrossed in fruitive activities and influenced by ignorance, one must develop a love for devotional service to Vasudeva. Only then can one have the opportunity to get out of the bondage of material existence. " Therefore, jnana (or knowledge that one is not this material body but spirit soul) is not sufficient for liberation. One has to act in the status of spirit soul, otherwise there is no escape from material bondage. Action in Krsna consciousness is not, however, action on the fruitive platform. Activities performed in full knowledge strengthen one's advancement in real knowledge. Without Krsna consciousness, mere renunciation of fruitive activities does not actually purify the heart of a conditioned soul. As long as the heart is not purified, one has to work on the fruitive platform. But action in Krsna consciousness automatically helps one escape the result of fruitive action so that one need not descend to the material platform. Therefore action in Krsna consciousness is always superior to renunciation, which always entails a risk of falling. Renunciation without Krsna consciousness is incomplete, as is confirmed by Srila Rupa Gosvami in his Bhakti-rasamrta-sindhu (1.2.258): prapancikataya buddhya hari-sambandhi vastunah mumuksubhih parityago vairagyam phalgu kathyate " When persons eager to achieve liberation renounce things related to the Supreme Personality of Godhead, thinking them to be material, their renunciation is called incomplete. " Renunciation is complete when it is in the knowledge that everything in existence belongs to the Lord and that no one should claim proprietorship over anything. One should understand that, factually, nothing belongs to anyone. Then where is the question of renunciation? One who knows that everything is Krsna's property is always situated in renunciation. Since everything belongs to Krsna, everything should be employed in the service of Krsna. This perfect form of action in Krsna consciousness is far better than any amount of artificial renunciation by a sannyasi of the Mayavadi school. HARESH(HARRY)NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +91 9867214103 http://in./search?query=chandra-adityaastroremedies Send your mails to Chandra-AdityaAstroRemedies To Subscribe http://in.Chandra-AdityaAstroRemedies For Professional Paid Consultancy send your mail/request for charges to haresh1405/hareshgnathani or call +91 9867214103 ________________________________ sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag Monday, 8 June, 2009 12:04:22 PM Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion To whom so ever it concerns arjun uvaacha sannyaasaM karmaNaaM krShNa punaryogaM cha shaMsasi yacChreya etayorekaM tanme bruuhi sunishchitam. . Arjun Asked: O'Krishna, You have praised Sankhya Yoga and also Karma yoga. Please declare which is definitely best of the two shriibhagavaanuvaac ha sannyaasaH karmayogashcha niHshreyasakaraavub hau tayostu karmasannyaasaatkar mayogo vishiShyate. . Shree Bhagavan Krishna replies: Both sanyasa and karma yoga are blissfull. of the two karma yoga is particularly excellent Sreemad Bhagavat Geetha chapter 5 verse 1 & 2 A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ....> wrote: > > Dear Dada, > > You can call me whatever you like, but I did not like to tell you one thing, which now I must remind : I am not a grihastha. For a sanyaasi, family relations do not count. I NEVER addressed my mundane father as " father " even in my childhood, exceting when I was one or two years old which I do not remember fully, although he was a very powerful politician and our relations were cordial, although he was sad for my refusal to call him father and for my refusal to take a worldly path ever since I was 13-14 years old. He was a non-veg, and at last I succeeded in converting him. He had a good knowledge of shaastras and after I formally announced to him that I am taking dikshaa, he started doing " pranaama " to me which was highly embarassing to me as well as to those around. But he knew that grihastha ashrama is inferior to vaanprashtha and sanyaasa. A sanyaasi should not ask others to respect him. But if a sanyaasi is innecessarily attacked and insulted, it > is an attack and insult on God, and the result is sin. A real sanyaasi does not care for insults, but should prevent others from insulting him because such insults give sin to those who insult sanyaasis. > > These are genenal statements, not referring to you in any respect. In my childhood, I was reprimanded for addressing my servant without a " Ji " . > > I started adding Da for you because I did it for Sunil Da, and it seemed it will be unfair and undemocratic to avoid you. But it does not imply that my feelings for you have changed.I respect you as I did earlier. > > > -VJ > > ============ ========= = ============ > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > Sunday, June 7, 2009 9:35:58 PM > Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > > > > > Dear Vinay Ji, > > When someone addresses me as Dada, privately or publicly, and treats me like an elder brother whether just out of politeness or sincerely does he or she not give me the right automatically to address them by their first name or first name with a -bhai added? At least that was the practice in my family and the culture in the part of India where I was raised! So what is this talk about servants and what not? That said, a monk should be a servant of God and God lives in every being! Not everyone may have faith in that simple truth, but I do! > > As to the cookie thing, I have already explained in an earlier message why I wrote that. I agree that you may be right that I should have been more careful because some person may misinterpret my words. My apologies for that. > > RR > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > > Rohini Da, > > > > Here is your own message : > > > > " turn off the tracking cookies and other software gizmos that tell one how many visited a site or downloaded or whatever! And particularly when one confesses publicly that one knows all visitors! Something is just not right in that picture!! " > > > > It is a public forum and others also read your posts and may derive all sorts of meanings, and I deliberately overreacted to make you see possible permutations and combinations of your statements. Cookies and tracking software may be good, but they are used by businessmen. I have no need of them. Besides, I do not know who download Kundalee and who do not, unless they inform me. Some of them inform me privately due to the bad climate created in recent past by a dedicated team. > > > > In my family all servants were addressed with a 'Ji'. Now at an advanced age, I will try to learn what I was unaccustomed to even in my childhood. Only students are addressed without a 'Ji' in my environment. > > > > -VJ > > ============ ========= ==== == > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > Sunday, June 7, 2009 2:45:25 PM > > Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vinay-bhai, > > > > Please re-read your message! You overreacted! I was just going with how you have always come across in your public messages as if you knew who read your articles, and who downloaded your software and who did not! > > > > Why you must take that 'all the way' to another dimension and to interpret it to mean private data and bank accounts and what not was neither necessary, intended or made sense, but was disturbing. > > > > If I had misgivings like that, I would not have carried out a conversation with you at all! > > > > Cookies and tracking software seem to have become the reality on internet these days. It is not necessarily something nefarious! Nor a charge against you as long as the intention is about collecting statistics. Many websites of good reputation do that, > > > > Please do seriously consider what I wrote and do not feel hurt by what wes never meant to in the first place! > > > > Rohini-da > > > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Rohini Da, > > > > > > I do not know nor do I want to know how cookies or tracking softwares are made. I did not ever made a site of my own, where such tracking and visitor-counting procedures can be installed. I use free websites offered by others, in which cookies and visitor-counting codes cannot be inserted. For uploading and downloading Kundalee, I could not use those free websites which cannot allow files bigger than 10 MB, whereas zipped kundalee file has already exceeded 14 MB. Hence, I've to upload it on another free service : http://www.datafile host.com/ > > > > > > This site does not belong to me, and I cannot remove its visitor-counting feature, nor do I want to, becaise some members of AIA were saying that Kundalee is undownloadable, hence there must be a counter to see whether they were right or wrong. > > > > > > You are levelling a wrong charge on me : > > > > > > <<< " What one needs to gain trust, acceptance and LOVE -- that comes pretty > > > readily in this astrological reality -- is toturn off the tracking > > > cookies and other software gizmos that tell one how many visited a site > > > or downloaded or whatever! And particularly when one confesses publicly > > > that one knows all visitors! Something is just not right in that > > > picture!! " >>> > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh in AIA had guessed that I am tracking AIA members after I told him that AIA members were downloading Kundalee in large numbers in spite of his claims that it is undownloadable. At that time, AIA was the only forum in which Kundalee was announced (by him, not by me), and other forums were quite ignorant of Kundalee. Hence, it was not difficult to guess that the downloads at that time were almost wholly from AIA members which you translate as " one confesses publicly > > > that one knows all visitors! " . Sreenadh also imagined that I was tracking AIA !! I have too much of serious tasks to learn and indulge in such mean tricks. I had no plan to announce Kundalee in any forum at all. Sreenadh got me involved in these fora AGAINST my will. I did not know that most of members in these fora do not know Hindi. Kundalee was not fully translated into English. I was not prepared for English fora with a Hindi software. > > > > > > I am surprized at your misgivings about me. Now I understand why you keep away from Kundalee, you fear Kundalee has some spyware (tracking > > > cookies) which will steal your private data !! > > > > > > I never learnt internet programming, which is proven by the fact that I do not any website with my own domain, where such tracking cookies can be uploaded. I use free sites offered by others where limited services are offered. I know only one language : Visual Basic, which cannot create spyware as far as I know (I do not know everything about Visual Basic, because I only needed one type of program : standard exe type needed for astrological softwares). > > > > > > I always knew from your language that you had misgivings about me, but I did not know you took me to a spy peeping into other's accounts with my tracking > > > cookies . Thanks for opening your heart. There is no way I can prove that I do not know internet programming , only experienced programmers can know this fact, which is clear from the type of my program. You are not a programmer, hence you can imagine all sort of things about me. I have already said that I have done my duty by presenting the traditional siddhantic aspect of Vedic Astrology and it is not my concern whether people believe me to be a software programmer or a thief stealing their bank accounts with my tracking > > > cookies which I do not even know how to make. The counter you refer to belong to http://www.datafile host.com/ wich offers free file uploading and downloading services. > > > > > > -VJ > > > ============ ========= == == > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > Sunday, June 7, 2009 9:49:22 AM > > > Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vinay ji, > > > > > > Do you not get it, at all? > > > > > > No one sees you as a mere software developer! Here or elsewhere, even where you feel attacked and diminuited (is that a real word? It is now!) > > > > > > I do not for one. > > > > > > What one needs to gain trust, acceptance and LOVE -- that comes pretty readily in this astrological reality -- is to turn off the tracking cookies and other software gizmos that tell one how many visited a site or downloaded or whatever! And particularly when one confesses publicly that one knows all visitors! Something is just not right in that picture!! > > > > > > TRUST always begins at home and even for a hermit, that must be where he truly is! > > > > > > " Bhul Chook leni deni " , as I saw written on the back wall of those in the India where I grew up -- who impressed me with what service is really about! > > > > > > My apologies if I rubbed you the wrong way! > > > > > > Not intentional at all. You have called me 'Dada' privately and publicly! I must do my duty! > > > > > > Rohini-da > > > > > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > No software developer is pressurized for presenting comparative case studies which took me 200 hours, and then if I ask them to discuss it, it is unfair to say : " case study is only for purpose for individual enlightenment and no coercion at all " . > > > > > > > > I am not pressurizing anyone, my point is for those who demanded case studies but are now ignoring to discuss. > > > > > > > > Only one person has read the case studies so far, and he discusses in private mails, perhaps rightly because many (not all) members in open fora often do not like what they are not habituated to and disrupt or divert discussions. > > > > > > > > -VJ > > > > > > > > ============ ========= = ==== > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> > > > > > > > > Sunday, June 7, 2009 8:02:49 AM > > > > Re: Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > After exhaustive study of BPHS by you,you say that excepting for basics,(there are some interpolations( transalted versions?) found to be dubious. > > > > Your approach for surya siddhantic principles and the software innovated are all good but case study is only for purpose for individual enlightenment and no coercion at all.In any case mundane issues always help us for our basic understanding of software and to test the fficacy of system. > > > > vrkrishnan > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 6/3/09, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > > > > > Re: Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > > > > > > > Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 6:19 AM > > > > > > > > To All, > > > > > > > > I was pressed to present Case Studies. Now what is the problem in discussing and proving Suryasiddhanta to be wrong, which proves accurate in 100% cases in all these case studies ? I have consistently followed BPHS and Suryasiddhanta. Please find fault in my approach. It is a request to civil members, and a challenge to abusers of Suryasiddhanta. > > > > > > > > I have given links of official rainfall data. Anyone can check my method. It is not only a case of mundane astrology, because I used BPHS rules of individual horoscopy to interpret the solar transit charts. 100% accuracy of Suryasiddhanta also means that BPHS is also 100% accurate (esp its basics, excluding some dubious portions which may be interpolations, which have no relevance in my case studies). > > > > > > > > I will present individual case studies also, for which I am searching for reliable data which could not be challenged as my manipulations. 100% impartiality and 100% scientific approach towards astrology proves Suryasiddhanta and BPHS to be 100% correct. It does not mean other approaches are wrong, because Suryasiddhanta in Ganita and BPHS in phalita are only surviving apaurusheya or Rishi-made texts which treat astrology comprehensively (Jaimini Sutra is incomplete : only two chapters are extant, while 98 chapters of BPHS have survived out of original 100. All other approaches are later developments which owe their correctness to Suryasiddhanta and BPHS, and related texts. No single text contains complete Suryasiddhanta or complete BPHS. Much has been lost during millenia of transmission, and their are interpolations too. Other texts help us in reconstruction of Vedic-puranic tradition of Jyotisha whose mainstay is Suryasiddhanta in Ganita and BPHS > > in > > > > phalita. > > > > > > > > -Vinay Jha. > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > vattem krishnan <bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, June 3, 2009 1:44:05 PM > > > > Re: Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > > > > > > > Dear Vinay Ji,Arjun Ji and all senior members, > > > > Surya Siddhanta being a classical approach we have no doubts in it's reliability or being made as a base for several Almanacs in the country. > > > > The laudable effort of Shri Vinayaji lies in making it's application internet savy and also considers munadane applications as it's obejectivity guiding the all human beings in the welfare of the state. > > > > I know individual chart have their own inconsistencies in what ever way we derive through physical movements of planets as is being done or otherwise. > > > > Now Ayanamsa that comes to fore basically on account physical movement of planets can not be neagated till some more as we get access to case charts and study difference between two obvious approaches.Fortunat ely we have Mercury at last turning direct that helps every one of us in saving our time as issues are likely to be less misunderstood or no effort to think only interms of read between lines. > > > > case studies are always of immense value as it provides an opportunity to understand in great details. > > > > Astrologer,after all need data and it's dissemination interms of planetary results.We alway find people rushing to Astrologers but interpretation given were always interrogated in terms of consistency. This is where our mutaul perspectives and understanding of the basic principles of jyotish will help us > > > > vrkrishnan > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 6/2/09, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > > > > > Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > > > > > > > Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 9:35 PM > > > > > > > > dear vinayji > > > > > > > > firstly i appreciate your approach to the audience by furnishing them with case studies. your seeking shortcomings and suggestions for improvement is the positive spirit of a researcher. > > > > > > > > since i learnt astrology in north india and studied most texts only in hindi and sanskrit, let me also inform the audience that surya siddhanta is the base for almost all panchangas in the cow belt including the government of india published one. this makes surya siddhanta as an accepted base of astronomy and we find its references as bases in MANY government of india websites and scientific organisations that gauge astronomy and are involved into panchanga. > > > > > > > > if i read the initial reaction mails to yours earlier, the audience felt the base of your software viz. surya siddhanta as something cooked in your kitchen or picked from some remote corner not familiar and accepted elsewhere. am aware that most kashi pandits (astrologers) and BHU uses this surya siddhanta. if other softwares base on something else in other geographies, it is fine but they shall not find surya siddhanta as alien and unacceptable. > > > > > > > > the modern audience with vast resources of internt available at fingertips, would be convinced not by telling from our mouth but by furnishing them the accepted published references, substantiations and corroborations. accordingly, you are requested to publish the names of all government of india organisations and publications that clearly mention surya siddhanta as their base for astronomy and also for panchanga forecast so that natives find it easier to get convinced about the acceptance of the surya siddhanta in the first place. > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > pandit arjun > > > > www.rudraksahremedy .com > > > > > > > > , " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > To All : > > > > > > > > > > 20 Case Studies have been placed at Click_Here > > > > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Annual+Rains+ -2+%3A+Worst+ Years> > > > > > . Ten best and ten worst years in the recorded history of Indian > > > > > Monsoons have been astrologically analyzed according to easiest and > > > > > basic rules of individual horodcopy, esp of Parashara (BPHS). Comparison > > > > > of Suryasiddhantic and modern astronomical charts have been carried out. > > > > > > > > > > Please point out the shortcomings. I will try to improve the > > > > > presentation according to suggestions. > > > > > > > > > > Four individual case studies of Death are Click_Here > > > > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Prediction+ of+Death> . > > > > > > > > > > One individual case study of Brain Damage is Click_Here > > > > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Brain+Damage> . > > > > > > > > > > One case study of Aircraft Crash is Click_Here > > > > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Aircraft+ Crash+AF447> , which is > > > > > a summary of 18 detailed mundane charts. > > > > > > > > > > In addition to these 26 case studies, I will try to put more. > > > > > > > > > > -Vinay Jha > > > > > ============ ======= ===== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2009 Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 To whomever it Concerns, Rohini ji should not equate a student (brahmachaari) with a grihastha, and a grihastha with a sanyaasi. How many students maintain brahmacharya during the first ashrama of life ? Those who fail in first ashrama and do not perform praayashchtta, are unfit of entry into second ashrama, leave aside third or fourth ashramas. In Kaliyuga, it is far more difficult to become a grihastha than to become a lifelong brahmachaari or a sanyaasi, because living according to shaastras is impossible for a grihastha today. Brahmacharya is essential for all four ashramas. Even a grihastha has to maintain brahmacharya (cf. MBh brahmaastra episode of Ashvatthaamaa). Begetting offsprings for preserving the lineage does not destroy brahmacharya. Brahmacharya is destroyed by seminal ejaculation due to libido. In Kaliyuga, almost all offsprings are born out of libido, and therefore are controlled by the Unconscious Mind (Asura). Pitryajna is not merely performing some rites mindlessly, but procreating with the devotion and accompanying rituals of a Vedic Yajna, with the blessings of guru and priests (Garbhaadhaana samskaara), and without libidi (vaasanaa). Semen is the havi for gods. The verse Shenoy Ji has cited as a proof of superiority of karmayogi to a sanyaasi has been rendered by all ancient translators and commentators as meaning that Karmayoga is " special " because it is easier. The very next verse says that the karmayogi who has overcome raaga and dvesha can be taken to be equal to a sanyaasi. Next verse says that saamkhya and karma yogas should not be differentiated. Verse 6 explains the supposed " suoeriority " of Karmayoga : wothout karmayoga sanyaasa cannot be easily attained. Hence, sanyaasa is a higher stage attained after a long practce of karmayoga. Samyaasa is absence of the feeling of Kartaa. Karmayoga is doing the duties without desire for returns. Absence of the feeling of Kartaa is not absence of karma. Arjuna mistook samyaasa as a escape from duties, ie war against kins and guru. With this attitude of escapism, he was unfit for sanyaasa. Hence, LordKrisha did not initiate him into Sanyaasa. Had he approached sanyaasa with a proper attitude, he would have been intructed into sanyaas and yet asked to fight. It is wrong to assume that sanyaasa means idleness. Sanyaasa means lack of the feeling of performer of actions, lack of ego. Did Lord Krishna possess a ego ? Was Lord Krishnna a saamkyha sanyaasi or a karma yogi himself ? If members here are asked to vote, they will call Lord Krishna agrihastha and a karma yogi ! But it is wrong. In chapter 10, it is said that among siddhas, Kapil is God Himself. Kapil was the firsy saamkhya (samyaasin). Gita said : na hi saamkhya samam jnaanam, na hi yoga samam balam. Due to fitness and Arjuna and exigencies of War, Gita elaborates and emphasises Karma yoga. But Gita should not be misinterpreted to belittle sanyaasa. Sanyaasa ashrama has no value in Kaliyuga. It is amusing to read kakaama karmis quoting Gita and describing themselves as karmayogis. I think the thread " CASE STUDIES for discussion " should be now closed, because astrologers have no interest in discussing Case Studies. As the discussion has degenerated into belittling sanyaasa, this thread should also take a sanyaasa. -VJ ================== ======= ________________________________ Haresh (Harry) Nathani <haresh1405 Monday, June 8, 2009 12:32:31 PM Re: Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion Dear Suresh Babu I hv given below what the verse actually means. Source is http://iskcon. com/books/ bg/bg.php? ch=5 Text 1 arjuna uvaca sannyasam karmanam krsna punar yogam ca samsasi yac chreya etayor ekam tan me bruhi su-niscitam Synonyms arjunah uvaca--Arjuna said; sannyasam--renuncia tion; karmanam--of all activities; krsna--O Krsna; punah--again; yogam--devotional service; ca--also; samsasi--You are praising; yat--which; sreyah--is more beneficial; etayoh--of these two; ekam--one; tat--that; me--unto me; bruhi--please tell; su-niscitam- -definitely. Translation Arjuna said: O Krsna, first of all You ask me to renounce work, and then again You recommend work with devotion. Now will You kindly tell me definitely which of the two is more beneficial? Purport In this Fifth Chapter of the Bhagavad-gita, the Lord says that work in devotional service is better than dry mental speculation. Devotional service is easier than the latter because, being transcendental in nature, it frees one from reaction. In the Second Chapter, preliminary knowledge of the soul and its entanglement in the material body were explained. How to get out of this material encagement by buddhi-yoga, or devotional service, was also explained therein. In the Third Chapter, it was explained that a person who is situated on the platform of knowledge no longer has any duties to perform. And in the Fourth Chapter the Lord told Arjuna that all kinds of sacrificial work culminate in knowledge. However, at the end of the Fourth Chapter, the Lord advised Arjuna to wake up and fight, being situated in perfect knowledge. Therefore, by simultaneously stressing the importance of both work in devotion and inaction in knowledge, Krsna has perplexed Arjuna and confused his determination. Arjuna understands that renunciation in knowledge involves cessation of all kinds of work performed as sense activities. But if one performs work in devotional service, then how is work stopped? In other words, he thinks that sannyasa, or renunciation in knowledge, should be altogether free from all kinds of activity, because work and renunciation appear to him to be incompatible. He appears not to have understood that work in full knowledge is nonreactive and is therefore the same as inaction. He inquires, therefore, whether he should cease work altogether or work with full knowledge. Text 2 sri-bhagavan uvaca sannyasah karma-yogas ca nihsreyasa-karav ubhau tayos tu karma-sannyasat karma-yogo visisyate Synonyms sri-bhagavan uvaca--the Personality of Godhead said; sannyasah--renuncia tion of work; karma-yogah- -work in devotion; ca--also; nihsreyasa-karau- -leading to the path of liberation; ubhau--both; tayoh--of the two; tu--but; karma-sannyasat- -in comparison to the renunciation of fruitive work; karma-yogah- -work in devotion; visisyate--is better. Translation The Personality of Godhead replied: The renunciation of work and work in devotion are both good for liberation. But, of the two, work in devotional service is better than renunciation of work. Purport Fruitive activities (seeking sense gratification) are cause for material bondage. As long as one is engaged in activities aimed at improving the standard of bodily comfort, one is sure to transmigrate to different types of bodies, thereby continuing material bondage perpetually. Srimad-Bhagavatam (5.5.4-6) confirms this as follows: nunam pramattah kurute vikarma yad indriya-pritaya aprnoti na sadhu manye yata atmano 'yam asann api klesa-da asa dehah parabhavas tavad abodha-jato yavan najijnasata atma-tattvam yavat kriyas tavad idam mano vai karmatmakam yena sarira-bandhah evam manah karma-vasam prayunkte avidyayatmany upadhi yamane pritir na yavan mayi vasudeve na mucyate deha-yogena tavat " People are mad after sense gratification, and they do not know that this present body, which is full of miseries, is a result of one's fruitive activities in the past. Although this body is temporary, it is always giving one trouble in many ways. Therefore, to act for sense gratification is not good. One is considered to be a failure in life as long as he makes no inquiry about his real identity. As long as he does not know his real identity, he has to work for fruitive results for sense gratification, and as long as one is engrossed in the consciousness of sense gratification one has to transmigrate from one body to another. Although the mind may be engrossed in fruitive activities and influenced by ignorance, one must develop a love for devotional service to Vasudeva. Only then can one have the opportunity to get out of the bondage of material existence. " Therefore, jnana (or knowledge that one is not this material body but spirit soul) is not sufficient for liberation. One has to act in the status of spirit soul, otherwise there is no escape from material bondage. Action in Krsna consciousness is not, however, action on the fruitive platform. Activities performed in full knowledge strengthen one's advancement in real knowledge. Without Krsna consciousness, mere renunciation of fruitive activities does not actually purify the heart of a conditioned soul. As long as the heart is not purified, one has to work on the fruitive platform. But action in Krsna consciousness automatically helps one escape the result of fruitive action so that one need not descend to the material platform. Therefore action in Krsna consciousness is always superior to renunciation, which always entails a risk of falling. Renunciation without Krsna consciousness is incomplete, as is confirmed by Srila Rupa Gosvami in his Bhakti-rasamrta- sindhu (1.2.258): prapancikataya buddhya hari-sambandhi vastunah mumuksubhih parityago vairagyam phalgu kathyate " When persons eager to achieve liberation renounce things related to the Supreme Personality of Godhead, thinking them to be material, their renunciation is called incomplete. " Renunciation is complete when it is in the knowledge that everything in existence belongs to the Lord and that no one should claim proprietorship over anything. One should understand that, factually, nothing belongs to anyone. Then where is the question of renunciation? One who knows that everything is Krsna's property is always situated in renunciation. Since everything belongs to Krsna, everything should be employed in the service of Krsna. This perfect form of action in Krsna consciousness is far better than any amount of artificial renunciation by a sannyasi of the Mayavadi school. HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +91 9867214103 http://in.groups. / search?query= chandra-adityaas troremedies Send your mails to Chandra-AdityaAstro Remedies@ . co.in To Subscribe http://in.groups. / group/Chandra- AdityaAstroRemed ies For Professional Paid Consultancy send your mail/request for charges to haresh1405 /hareshgnathani@ or call +91 9867214103 ____________ _________ _________ __ sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag@ > Monday, 8 June, 2009 12:04:22 PM Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion To whom so ever it concerns arjun uvaacha sannyaasaM karmaNaaM krShNa punaryogaM cha shaMsasi yacChreya etayorekaM tanme bruuhi sunishchitam. . Arjun Asked: O'Krishna, You have praised Sankhya Yoga and also Karma yoga. Please declare which is definitely best of the two shriibhagavaanuvaac ha sannyaasaH karmayogashcha niHshreyasakaraavub hau tayostu karmasannyaasaatkar mayogo vishiShyate. . Shree Bhagavan Krishna replies: Both sanyasa and karma yoga are blissfull. of the two karma yoga is particularly excellent Sreemad Bhagavat Geetha chapter 5 verse 1 & 2 A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ....> wrote: > > Dear Dada, > > You can call me whatever you like, but I did not like to tell you one thing, which now I must remind : I am not a grihastha. For a sanyaasi, family relations do not count. I NEVER addressed my mundane father as " father " even in my childhood, exceting when I was one or two years old which I do not remember fully, although he was a very powerful politician and our relations were cordial, although he was sad for my refusal to call him father and for my refusal to take a worldly path ever since I was 13-14 years old. He was a non-veg, and at last I succeeded in converting him. He had a good knowledge of shaastras and after I formally announced to him that I am taking dikshaa, he started doing " pranaama " to me which was highly embarassing to me as well as to those around. But he knew that grihastha ashrama is inferior to vaanprashtha and sanyaasa. A sanyaasi should not ask others to respect him. But if a sanyaasi is innecessarily attacked and insulted, it > is an attack and insult on God, and the result is sin. A real sanyaasi does not care for insults, but should prevent others from insulting him because such insults give sin to those who insult sanyaasis. > > These are genenal statements, not referring to you in any respect. In my childhood, I was reprimanded for addressing my servant without a " Ji " . > > I started adding Da for you because I did it for Sunil Da, and it seemed it will be unfair and undemocratic to avoid you. But it does not imply that my feelings for you have changed.I respect you as I did earlier. > > > -VJ > > ============ ========= = ============ > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > Sunday, June 7, 2009 9:35:58 PM > Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > > > > > Dear Vinay Ji, > > When someone addresses me as Dada, privately or publicly, and treats me like an elder brother whether just out of politeness or sincerely does he or she not give me the right automatically to address them by their first name or first name with a -bhai added? At least that was the practice in my family and the culture in the part of India where I was raised! So what is this talk about servants and what not? That said, a monk should be a servant of God and God lives in every being! Not everyone may have faith in that simple truth, but I do! > > As to the cookie thing, I have already explained in an earlier message why I wrote that. I agree that you may be right that I should have been more careful because some person may misinterpret my words. My apologies for that. > > RR > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > > Rohini Da, > > > > Here is your own message : > > > > " turn off the tracking cookies and other software gizmos that tell one how many visited a site or downloaded or whatever! And particularly when one confesses publicly that one knows all visitors! Something is just not right in that picture!! " > > > > It is a public forum and others also read your posts and may derive all sorts of meanings, and I deliberately overreacted to make you see possible permutations and combinations of your statements. Cookies and tracking software may be good, but they are used by businessmen. I have no need of them. Besides, I do not know who download Kundalee and who do not, unless they inform me. Some of them inform me privately due to the bad climate created in recent past by a dedicated team. > > > > In my family all servants were addressed with a 'Ji'. Now at an advanced age, I will try to learn what I was unaccustomed to even in my childhood. Only students are addressed without a 'Ji' in my environment. > > > > -VJ > > ============ ========= ==== == > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > Sunday, June 7, 2009 2:45:25 PM > > Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vinay-bhai, > > > > Please re-read your message! You overreacted! I was just going with how you have always come across in your public messages as if you knew who read your articles, and who downloaded your software and who did not! > > > > Why you must take that 'all the way' to another dimension and to interpret it to mean private data and bank accounts and what not was neither necessary, intended or made sense, but was disturbing. > > > > If I had misgivings like that, I would not have carried out a conversation with you at all! > > > > Cookies and tracking software seem to have become the reality on internet these days. It is not necessarily something nefarious! Nor a charge against you as long as the intention is about collecting statistics. Many websites of good reputation do that, > > > > Please do seriously consider what I wrote and do not feel hurt by what wes never meant to in the first place! > > > > Rohini-da > > > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Rohini Da, > > > > > > I do not know nor do I want to know how cookies or tracking softwares are made. I did not ever made a site of my own, where such tracking and visitor-counting procedures can be installed. I use free websites offered by others, in which cookies and visitor-counting codes cannot be inserted. For uploading and downloading Kundalee, I could not use those free websites which cannot allow files bigger than 10 MB, whereas zipped kundalee file has already exceeded 14 MB. Hence, I've to upload it on another free service : http://www.datafile host.com/ > > > > > > This site does not belong to me, and I cannot remove its visitor-counting feature, nor do I want to, becaise some members of AIA were saying that Kundalee is undownloadable, hence there must be a counter to see whether they were right or wrong. > > > > > > You are levelling a wrong charge on me : > > > > > > <<< " What one needs to gain trust, acceptance and LOVE -- that comes pretty > > > readily in this astrological reality -- is toturn off the tracking > > > cookies and other software gizmos that tell one how many visited a site > > > or downloaded or whatever! And particularly when one confesses publicly > > > that one knows all visitors! Something is just not right in that > > > picture!! " >>> > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh in AIA had guessed that I am tracking AIA members after I told him that AIA members were downloading Kundalee in large numbers in spite of his claims that it is undownloadable. At that time, AIA was the only forum in which Kundalee was announced (by him, not by me), and other forums were quite ignorant of Kundalee. Hence, it was not difficult to guess that the downloads at that time were almost wholly from AIA members which you translate as " one confesses publicly > > > that one knows all visitors! " . Sreenadh also imagined that I was tracking AIA !! I have too much of serious tasks to learn and indulge in such mean tricks. I had no plan to announce Kundalee in any forum at all. Sreenadh got me involved in these fora AGAINST my will. I did not know that most of members in these fora do not know Hindi. Kundalee was not fully translated into English. I was not prepared for English fora with a Hindi software. > > > > > > I am surprized at your misgivings about me. Now I understand why you keep away from Kundalee, you fear Kundalee has some spyware (tracking > > > cookies) which will steal your private data !! > > > > > > I never learnt internet programming, which is proven by the fact that I do not any website with my own domain, where such tracking cookies can be uploaded. I use free sites offered by others where limited services are offered. I know only one language : Visual Basic, which cannot create spyware as far as I know (I do not know everything about Visual Basic, because I only needed one type of program : standard exe type needed for astrological softwares). > > > > > > I always knew from your language that you had misgivings about me, but I did not know you took me to a spy peeping into other's accounts with my tracking > > > cookies . Thanks for opening your heart. There is no way I can prove that I do not know internet programming , only experienced programmers can know this fact, which is clear from the type of my program. You are not a programmer, hence you can imagine all sort of things about me. I have already said that I have done my duty by presenting the traditional siddhantic aspect of Vedic Astrology and it is not my concern whether people believe me to be a software programmer or a thief stealing their bank accounts with my tracking > > > cookies which I do not even know how to make. The counter you refer to belong to http://www.datafile host.com/ wich offers free file uploading and downloading services. > > > > > > -VJ > > > ============ ========= == == > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > Sunday, June 7, 2009 9:49:22 AM > > > Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vinay ji, > > > > > > Do you not get it, at all? > > > > > > No one sees you as a mere software developer! Here or elsewhere, even where you feel attacked and diminuited (is that a real word? It is now!) > > > > > > I do not for one. > > > > > > What one needs to gain trust, acceptance and LOVE -- that comes pretty readily in this astrological reality -- is to turn off the tracking cookies and other software gizmos that tell one how many visited a site or downloaded or whatever! And particularly when one confesses publicly that one knows all visitors! Something is just not right in that picture!! > > > > > > TRUST always begins at home and even for a hermit, that must be where he truly is! > > > > > > " Bhul Chook leni deni " , as I saw written on the back wall of those in the India where I grew up -- who impressed me with what service is really about! > > > > > > My apologies if I rubbed you the wrong way! > > > > > > Not intentional at all. You have called me 'Dada' privately and publicly! I must do my duty! > > > > > > Rohini-da > > > > > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > No software developer is pressurized for presenting comparative case studies which took me 200 hours, and then if I ask them to discuss it, it is unfair to say : " case study is only for purpose for individual enlightenment and no coercion at all " . > > > > > > > > I am not pressurizing anyone, my point is for those who demanded case studies but are now ignoring to discuss. > > > > > > > > Only one person has read the case studies so far, and he discusses in private mails, perhaps rightly because many (not all) members in open fora often do not like what they are not habituated to and disrupt or divert discussions. > > > > > > > > -VJ > > > > > > > > ============ ========= = ==== > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> > > > > > > > > Sunday, June 7, 2009 8:02:49 AM > > > > Re: Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > After exhaustive study of BPHS by you,you say that excepting for basics,(there are some interpolations( transalted versions?) found to be dubious. > > > > Your approach for surya siddhantic principles and the software innovated are all good but case study is only for purpose for individual enlightenment and no coercion at all.In any case mundane issues always help us for our basic understanding of software and to test the fficacy of system. > > > > vrkrishnan > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 6/3/09, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > > > > > Re: Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > > > > > > > Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 6:19 AM > > > > > > > > To All, > > > > > > > > I was pressed to present Case Studies. Now what is the problem in discussing and proving Suryasiddhanta to be wrong, which proves accurate in 100% cases in all these case studies ? I have consistently followed BPHS and Suryasiddhanta. Please find fault in my approach. It is a request to civil members, and a challenge to abusers of Suryasiddhanta. > > > > > > > > I have given links of official rainfall data. Anyone can check my method. It is not only a case of mundane astrology, because I used BPHS rules of individual horoscopy to interpret the solar transit charts. 100% accuracy of Suryasiddhanta also means that BPHS is also 100% accurate (esp its basics, excluding some dubious portions which may be interpolations, which have no relevance in my case studies). > > > > > > > > I will present individual case studies also, for which I am searching for reliable data which could not be challenged as my manipulations. 100% impartiality and 100% scientific approach towards astrology proves Suryasiddhanta and BPHS to be 100% correct. It does not mean other approaches are wrong, because Suryasiddhanta in Ganita and BPHS in phalita are only surviving apaurusheya or Rishi-made texts which treat astrology comprehensively (Jaimini Sutra is incomplete : only two chapters are extant, while 98 chapters of BPHS have survived out of original 100. All other approaches are later developments which owe their correctness to Suryasiddhanta and BPHS, and related texts. No single text contains complete Suryasiddhanta or complete BPHS. Much has been lost during millenia of transmission, and their are interpolations too. Other texts help us in reconstruction of Vedic-puranic tradition of Jyotisha whose mainstay is Suryasiddhanta in Ganita and BPHS > > in > > > > phalita. > > > > > > > > -Vinay Jha. > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > vattem krishnan <bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, June 3, 2009 1:44:05 PM > > > > Re: Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > > > > > > > Dear Vinay Ji,Arjun Ji and all senior members, > > > > Surya Siddhanta being a classical approach we have no doubts in it's reliability or being made as a base for several Almanacs in the country. > > > > The laudable effort of Shri Vinayaji lies in making it's application internet savy and also considers munadane applications as it's obejectivity guiding the all human beings in the welfare of the state. > > > > I know individual chart have their own inconsistencies in what ever way we derive through physical movements of planets as is being done or otherwise. > > > > Now Ayanamsa that comes to fore basically on account physical movement of planets can not be neagated till some more as we get access to case charts and study difference between two obvious approaches.Fortunat ely we have Mercury at last turning direct that helps every one of us in saving our time as issues are likely to be less misunderstood or no effort to think only interms of read between lines. > > > > case studies are always of immense value as it provides an opportunity to understand in great details. > > > > Astrologer,after all need data and it's dissemination interms of planetary results.We alway find people rushing to Astrologers but interpretation given were always interrogated in terms of consistency. This is where our mutaul perspectives and understanding of the basic principles of jyotish will help us > > > > vrkrishnan > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 6/2/09, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > > > > > Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > > > > > > > Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 9:35 PM > > > > > > > > dear vinayji > > > > > > > > firstly i appreciate your approach to the audience by furnishing them with case studies. your seeking shortcomings and suggestions for improvement is the positive spirit of a researcher. > > > > > > > > since i learnt astrology in north india and studied most texts only in hindi and sanskrit, let me also inform the audience that surya siddhanta is the base for almost all panchangas in the cow belt including the government of india published one. this makes surya siddhanta as an accepted base of astronomy and we find its references as bases in MANY government of india websites and scientific organisations that gauge astronomy and are involved into panchanga. > > > > > > > > if i read the initial reaction mails to yours earlier, the audience felt the base of your software viz. surya siddhanta as something cooked in your kitchen or picked from some remote corner not familiar and accepted elsewhere. am aware that most kashi pandits (astrologers) and BHU uses this surya siddhanta. if other softwares base on something else in other geographies, it is fine but they shall not find surya siddhanta as alien and unacceptable. > > > > > > > > the modern audience with vast resources of internt available at fingertips, would be convinced not by telling from our mouth but by furnishing them the accepted published references, substantiations and corroborations. accordingly, you are requested to publish the names of all government of india organisations and publications that clearly mention surya siddhanta as their base for astronomy and also for panchanga forecast so that natives find it easier to get convinced about the acceptance of the surya siddhanta in the first place. > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > pandit arjun > > > > www.rudraksahremedy .com > > > > > > > > , " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > To All : > > > > > > > > > > 20 Case Studies have been placed at Click_Here > > > > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Annual+Rains+ -2+%3A+Worst+ Years> > > > > > . Ten best and ten worst years in the recorded history of Indian > > > > > Monsoons have been astrologically analyzed according to easiest and > > > > > basic rules of individual horodcopy, esp of Parashara (BPHS). Comparison > > > > > of Suryasiddhantic and modern astronomical charts have been carried out. > > > > > > > > > > Please point out the shortcomings. I will try to improve the > > > > > presentation according to suggestions. > > > > > > > > > > Four individual case studies of Death are Click_Here > > > > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Prediction+ of+Death> . > > > > > > > > > > One individual case study of Brain Damage is Click_Here > > > > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Brain+Damage> . > > > > > > > > > > One case study of Aircraft Crash is Click_Here > > > > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Aircraft+ Crash+AF447> , which is > > > > > a summary of 18 detailed mundane charts. > > > > > > > > > > In addition to these 26 case studies, I will try to put more. > > > > > > > > > > -Vinay Jha > > > > > ============ ======= ===== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 Sir, it is Mother Nature first and the rest is for others to find their own meanings for their satisfaction vrkrishnan --- On Sun, 6/7/09, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 wrote: Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 Re: Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion Sunday, June 7, 2009, 12:10 AM I think now zoologists should join this thread because astrologers are not interested in examining and discussing the detailed case studies I prepared. -VJ ============ ======= ==== ____________ _________ _________ __ Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> Sunday, June 7, 2009 8:24:40 AM Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion Dear Krishnan Dada, There is a saying amongst zoologists that states: Ontogeny follows Phyllogeny! The individual, generally speaking, it seems must grow within the bounds of his or her 'kind'. Religions also interpret their role in our reality using a similar adage or basic principle but not exactly in so many words. Schools of all kinds, some ethnocentric others wider too! In a sense this opening saying in this post describes cultures, I think! ALL cultures! But the observant zoologist (One who is extremely interested in observing the animals (ALL ANIMALS) in the ZOO) also remains alert because he/she has also learned about and observed something known as mutation! It is questionable if it is ultimately random and happenstance or in some ways it is how MOTHER NATURE steps in and reminds us all who is the boss! Science can only take one in a certain direction, but astrology is yet another perspective to create the cross-hairs that hone in on the target! RR , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@. ..> wrote: > > Dear Sir, > After exhaustive study of BPHS by you,you say that excepting for basics,(there are some interpolations( transalted versions?) found to be dubious. > Your approach for surya siddhantic principles and the software innovated are all good but case study is only for purpose for individual enlightenment and no coercion at all.In any case mundane issues always help us for our basic understanding of software and to test the fficacy of system. > vrkrishnan > > --- On Wed, 6/3/09, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> > Re: Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 6:19 AM > > To All, > > I was pressed to present Case Studies. Now what is the problem in discussing and proving Suryasiddhanta to be wrong, which proves accurate in 100% cases in all these case studies ? I have consistently followed BPHS and Suryasiddhanta. Please find fault in my approach. It is a request to civil members, and a challenge to abusers of Suryasiddhanta. > > I have given links of official rainfall data. Anyone can check my method. It is not only a case of mundane astrology, because I used BPHS rules of individual horoscopy to interpret the solar transit charts. 100% accuracy of Suryasiddhanta also means that BPHS is also 100% accurate (esp its basics, excluding some dubious portions which may be interpolations, which have no relevance in my case studies). > > I will present individual case studies also, for which I am searching for reliable data which could not be challenged as my manipulations. 100% impartiality and 100% scientific approach towards astrology proves Suryasiddhanta and BPHS to be 100% correct. It does not mean other approaches are wrong, because Suryasiddhanta in Ganita and BPHS in phalita are only surviving apaurusheya or Rishi-made texts which treat astrology comprehensively (Jaimini Sutra is incomplete : only two chapters are extant, while 98 chapters of BPHS have survived out of original 100. All other approaches are later developments which owe their correctness to Suryasiddhanta and BPHS, and related texts. No single text contains complete Suryasiddhanta or complete BPHS. Much has been lost during millenia of transmission, and their are interpolations too. Other texts help us in reconstruction of Vedic-puranic tradition of Jyotisha whose mainstay is Suryasiddhanta in Ganita and BPHS in > phalita. > > -Vinay Jha. > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > vattem krishnan <bursar_99 > > > Wednesday, June 3, 2009 1:44:05 PM > Re: Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > Dear Vinay Ji,Arjun Ji and all senior members, > Surya Siddhanta being a classical approach we have no doubts in it's reliability or being made as a base for several Almanacs in the country. > The laudable effort of Shri Vinayaji lies in making it's application internet savy and also considers munadane applications as it's obejectivity guiding the all human beings in the welfare of the state. > I know individual chart have their own inconsistencies in what ever way we derive through physical movements of planets as is being done or otherwise. > Now Ayanamsa that comes to fore basically on account physical movement of planets can not be neagated till some more as we get access to case charts and study difference between two obvious approaches.Fortunat ely we have Mercury at last turning direct that helps every one of us in saving our time as issues are likely to be less misunderstood or no effort to think only interms of read between lines. > case studies are always of immense value as it provides an opportunity to understand in great details. > Astrologer,after all need data and it's dissemination interms of planetary results.We alway find people rushing to Astrologers but interpretation given were always interrogated in terms of consistency. This is where our mutaul perspectives and understanding of the basic principles of jyotish will help us > vrkrishnan > > --- On Tue, 6/2/09, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > wrote: > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > > Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 9:35 PM > > dear vinayji > > firstly i appreciate your approach to the audience by furnishing them with case studies. your seeking shortcomings and suggestions for improvement is the positive spirit of a researcher. > > since i learnt astrology in north india and studied most texts only in hindi and sanskrit, let me also inform the audience that surya siddhanta is the base for almost all panchangas in the cow belt including the government of india published one. this makes surya siddhanta as an accepted base of astronomy and we find its references as bases in MANY government of india websites and scientific organisations that gauge astronomy and are involved into panchanga. > > if i read the initial reaction mails to yours earlier, the audience felt the base of your software viz. surya siddhanta as something cooked in your kitchen or picked from some remote corner not familiar and accepted elsewhere. am aware that most kashi pandits (astrologers) and BHU uses this surya siddhanta. if other softwares base on something else in other geographies, it is fine but they shall not find surya siddhanta as alien and unacceptable. > > the modern audience with vast resources of internt available at fingertips, would be convinced not by telling from our mouth but by furnishing them the accepted published references, substantiations and corroborations. accordingly, you are requested to publish the names of all government of india organisations and publications that clearly mention surya siddhanta as their base for astronomy and also for panchanga forecast so that natives find it easier to get convinced about the acceptance of the surya siddhanta in the first place. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraksahremedy .com > > , " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > > To All : > > > > 20 Case Studies have been placed at Click_Here > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Annual+Rains+ -2+%3A+Worst+ Years> > > . Ten best and ten worst years in the recorded history of Indian > > Monsoons have been astrologically analyzed according to easiest and > > basic rules of individual horodcopy, esp of Parashara (BPHS). Comparison > > of Suryasiddhantic and modern astronomical charts have been carried out. > > > > Please point out the shortcomings. I will try to improve the > > presentation according to suggestions. > > > > Four individual case studies of Death are Click_Here > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Prediction+ of+Death> . > > > > One individual case study of Brain Damage is Click_Here > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Brain+Damage> . > > > > One case study of Aircraft Crash is Click_Here > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Aircraft+ Crash+AF447> , which is > > a summary of 18 detailed mundane charts. > > > > In addition to these 26 case studies, I will try to put more. > > > > -Vinay Jha > > ============ ======= ===== > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 Krishnan Dada, It is so easy for one to forget all about their parents, often on a whim or other excuse -- perhaps destiny, and then they are tasked to spend their entire remaining lifetime explaining to the world and often strangers -- justifying their existence and their objectives and so on ... ;-) , vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > Sir, > it is Mother Nature first and the rest is for others to find their own meanings for their satisfaction > vrkrishnan > > --- On Sun, 6/7/09, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > > Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 > Re: Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > Sunday, June 7, 2009, 12:10 AM > > I think now zoologists should join this thread because astrologers are not interested in examining and discussing the detailed case studies I prepared. > > -VJ > > ============ ======= ==== > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> > > Sunday, June 7, 2009 8:24:40 AM > Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > Dear Krishnan Dada, > > There is a saying amongst zoologists that states: Ontogeny follows Phyllogeny! > > The individual, generally speaking, it seems must grow within the bounds of his or her 'kind'. Religions also interpret their role in our reality using a similar adage or basic principle but not exactly in so many words. > > Schools of all kinds, some ethnocentric others wider too! > > In a sense this opening saying in this post describes cultures, I think! ALL cultures! > > But the observant zoologist (One who is extremely interested in observing the animals (ALL ANIMALS) in the ZOO) also remains alert because he/she has also learned about and observed something known as mutation! It is questionable if it is ultimately random and happenstance or in some ways it is how MOTHER NATURE steps in and reminds us all who is the boss! > > Science can only take one in a certain direction, but astrology is yet another perspective to create the cross-hairs that hone in on the target! > > RR > > , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > Dear Sir, > > After exhaustive study of BPHS by you,you say that excepting for basics,(there are some interpolations( transalted versions?) found to be dubious. > > Your approach for surya siddhantic principles and the software innovated are all good but case study is only for purpose for individual enlightenment and no coercion at all.In any case mundane issues always help us for our basic understanding of software and to test the fficacy of system. > > vrkrishnan > > > > --- On Wed, 6/3/09, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> > > Re: Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > > > Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 6:19 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To All, > > > > I was pressed to present Case Studies. Now what is the problem in discussing and proving Suryasiddhanta to be wrong, which proves accurate in 100% cases in all these case studies ? I have consistently followed BPHS and Suryasiddhanta. Please find fault in my approach. It is a request to civil members, and a challenge to abusers of Suryasiddhanta. > > > > I have given links of official rainfall data. Anyone can check my method. It is not only a case of mundane astrology, because I used BPHS rules of individual horoscopy to interpret the solar transit charts. 100% accuracy of Suryasiddhanta also means that BPHS is also 100% accurate (esp its basics, excluding some dubious portions which may be interpolations, which have no relevance in my case studies). > > > > I will present individual case studies also, for which I am searching for reliable data which could not be challenged as my manipulations. 100% impartiality and 100% scientific approach towards astrology proves Suryasiddhanta and BPHS to be 100% correct. It does not mean other approaches are wrong, because Suryasiddhanta in Ganita and BPHS in phalita are only surviving apaurusheya or Rishi-made texts which treat astrology comprehensively (Jaimini Sutra is incomplete : only two chapters are extant, while 98 chapters of BPHS have survived out of original 100. All other approaches are later developments which owe their correctness to Suryasiddhanta and BPHS, and related texts. No single text contains complete Suryasiddhanta or complete BPHS. Much has been lost during millenia of transmission, and their are interpolations too. Other texts help us in reconstruction of Vedic-puranic tradition of Jyotisha whose mainstay is Suryasiddhanta in Ganita and BPHS in > > phalita. > > > > -Vinay Jha. > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > vattem krishnan <bursar_99 > > > > > Wednesday, June 3, 2009 1:44:05 PM > > Re: Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > > > Dear Vinay Ji,Arjun Ji and all senior members, > > Surya Siddhanta being a classical approach we have no doubts in it's reliability or being made as a base for several Almanacs in the country. > > The laudable effort of Shri Vinayaji lies in making it's application internet savy and also considers munadane applications as it's obejectivity guiding the all human beings in the welfare of the state. > > I know individual chart have their own inconsistencies in what ever way we derive through physical movements of planets as is being done or otherwise. > > Now Ayanamsa that comes to fore basically on account physical movement of planets can not be neagated till some more as we get access to case charts and study difference between two obvious approaches.Fortunat ely we have Mercury at last turning direct that helps every one of us in saving our time as issues are likely to be less misunderstood or no effort to think only interms of read between lines. > > case studies are always of immense value as it provides an opportunity to understand in great details. > > Astrologer,after all need data and it's dissemination interms of planetary results.We alway find people rushing to Astrologers but interpretation given were always interrogated in terms of consistency. This is where our mutaul perspectives and understanding of the basic principles of jyotish will help us > > vrkrishnan > > > > --- On Tue, 6/2/09, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > wrote: > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > > > Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > > > Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 9:35 PM > > > > dear vinayji > > > > firstly i appreciate your approach to the audience by furnishing them with case studies. your seeking shortcomings and suggestions for improvement is the positive spirit of a researcher. > > > > since i learnt astrology in north india and studied most texts only in hindi and sanskrit, let me also inform the audience that surya siddhanta is the base for almost all panchangas in the cow belt including the government of india published one. this makes surya siddhanta as an accepted base of astronomy and we find its references as bases in MANY government of india websites and scientific organisations that gauge astronomy and are involved into panchanga. > > > > if i read the initial reaction mails to yours earlier, the audience felt the base of your software viz. surya siddhanta as something cooked in your kitchen or picked from some remote corner not familiar and accepted elsewhere. am aware that most kashi pandits (astrologers) and BHU uses this surya siddhanta. if other softwares base on something else in other geographies, it is fine but they shall not find surya siddhanta as alien and unacceptable. > > > > the modern audience with vast resources of internt available at fingertips, would be convinced not by telling from our mouth but by furnishing them the accepted published references, substantiations and corroborations. accordingly, you are requested to publish the names of all government of india organisations and publications that clearly mention surya siddhanta as their base for astronomy and also for panchanga forecast so that natives find it easier to get convinced about the acceptance of the surya siddhanta in the first place. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > www.rudraksahremedy .com > > > > , " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > To All : > > > > > > 20 Case Studies have been placed at Click_Here > > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Annual+Rains+ -2+%3A+Worst+ Years> > > > . Ten best and ten worst years in the recorded history of Indian > > > Monsoons have been astrologically analyzed according to easiest and > > > basic rules of individual horodcopy, esp of Parashara (BPHS). Comparison > > > of Suryasiddhantic and modern astronomical charts have been carried out. > > > > > > Please point out the shortcomings. I will try to improve the > > > presentation according to suggestions. > > > > > > Four individual case studies of Death are Click_Here > > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Prediction+ of+Death> . > > > > > > One individual case study of Brain Damage is Click_Here > > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Brain+Damage> . > > > > > > One case study of Aircraft Crash is Click_Here > > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Aircraft+ Crash+AF447> , which is > > > a summary of 18 detailed mundane charts. > > > > > > In addition to these 26 case studies, I will try to put more. > > > > > > -Vinay Jha > > > ============ ======= ===== > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 Good CASE STUDIES are being discussed ! <<< It is so easy for one to forget all about their parents, often on a whim or other excuse -- perhaps destiny, and then they are tasked to spend their entire remaining lifetime explaining to the world and often strangers -- justifying their existence and their objectives and so on ..... ;-) >>> Well said, in the characteristic " mild " style of Rohiniranjan Ji. It is one thing to change one's ashrama but quite different to forget one's parents in distress. ________________________________ Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan Wednesday, June 10, 2009 7:56:55 AM Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion Krishnan Dada, It is so easy for one to forget all about their parents, often on a whim or other excuse -- perhaps destiny, and then they are tasked to spend their entire remaining lifetime explaining to the world and often strangers -- justifying their existence and their objectives and so on ... ;-) , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@. ..> wrote: > > Sir, > it is Mother Nature first and the rest is for others to find their own meanings for their satisfaction > vrkrishnan > > --- On Sun, 6/7/09, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> > Re: Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > Sunday, June 7, 2009, 12:10 AM > > I think now zoologists should join this thread because astrologers are not interested in examining and discussing the detailed case studies I prepared. > > -VJ > > ============ ======= ==== > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> > > Sunday, June 7, 2009 8:24:40 AM > Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > Dear Krishnan Dada, > > There is a saying amongst zoologists that states: Ontogeny follows Phyllogeny! > > The individual, generally speaking, it seems must grow within the bounds of his or her 'kind'. Religions also interpret their role in our reality using a similar adage or basic principle but not exactly in so many words. > > Schools of all kinds, some ethnocentric others wider too! > > In a sense this opening saying in this post describes cultures, I think! ALL cultures! > > But the observant zoologist (One who is extremely interested in observing the animals (ALL ANIMALS) in the ZOO) also remains alert because he/she has also learned about and observed something known as mutation! It is questionable if it is ultimately random and happenstance or in some ways it is how MOTHER NATURE steps in and reminds us all who is the boss! > > Science can only take one in a certain direction, but astrology is yet another perspective to create the cross-hairs that hone in on the target! > > RR > > , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > Dear Sir, > > After exhaustive study of BPHS by you,you say that excepting for basics,(there are some interpolations( transalted versions?) found to be dubious. > > Your approach for surya siddhantic principles and the software innovated are all good but case study is only for purpose for individual enlightenment and no coercion at all.In any case mundane issues always help us for our basic understanding of software and to test the fficacy of system. > > vrkrishnan > > > > --- On Wed, 6/3/09, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> > > Re: Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > > > Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 6:19 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To All, > > > > I was pressed to present Case Studies. Now what is the problem in discussing and proving Suryasiddhanta to be wrong, which proves accurate in 100% cases in all these case studies ? I have consistently followed BPHS and Suryasiddhanta. Please find fault in my approach. It is a request to civil members, and a challenge to abusers of Suryasiddhanta. > > > > I have given links of official rainfall data. Anyone can check my method. It is not only a case of mundane astrology, because I used BPHS rules of individual horoscopy to interpret the solar transit charts. 100% accuracy of Suryasiddhanta also means that BPHS is also 100% accurate (esp its basics, excluding some dubious portions which may be interpolations, which have no relevance in my case studies). > > > > I will present individual case studies also, for which I am searching for reliable data which could not be challenged as my manipulations. 100% impartiality and 100% scientific approach towards astrology proves Suryasiddhanta and BPHS to be 100% correct. It does not mean other approaches are wrong, because Suryasiddhanta in Ganita and BPHS in phalita are only surviving apaurusheya or Rishi-made texts which treat astrology comprehensively (Jaimini Sutra is incomplete : only two chapters are extant, while 98 chapters of BPHS have survived out of original 100. All other approaches are later developments which owe their correctness to Suryasiddhanta and BPHS, and related texts. No single text contains complete Suryasiddhanta or complete BPHS. Much has been lost during millenia of transmission, and their are interpolations too. Other texts help us in reconstruction of Vedic-puranic tradition of Jyotisha whose mainstay is Suryasiddhanta in Ganita and BPHS in > > phalita. > > > > -Vinay Jha. > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > vattem krishnan <bursar_99 > > > > > Wednesday, June 3, 2009 1:44:05 PM > > Re: Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > > > Dear Vinay Ji,Arjun Ji and all senior members, > > Surya Siddhanta being a classical approach we have no doubts in it's reliability or being made as a base for several Almanacs in the country. > > The laudable effort of Shri Vinayaji lies in making it's application internet savy and also considers munadane applications as it's obejectivity guiding the all human beings in the welfare of the state. > > I know individual chart have their own inconsistencies in what ever way we derive through physical movements of planets as is being done or otherwise. > > Now Ayanamsa that comes to fore basically on account physical movement of planets can not be neagated till some more as we get access to case charts and study difference between two obvious approaches.Fortunat ely we have Mercury at last turning direct that helps every one of us in saving our time as issues are likely to be less misunderstood or no effort to think only interms of read between lines. > > case studies are always of immense value as it provides an opportunity to understand in great details. > > Astrologer,after all need data and it's dissemination interms of planetary results.We alway find people rushing to Astrologers but interpretation given were always interrogated in terms of consistency. This is where our mutaul perspectives and understanding of the basic principles of jyotish will help us > > vrkrishnan > > > > --- On Tue, 6/2/09, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > wrote: > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > > > Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > > > Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 9:35 PM > > > > dear vinayji > > > > firstly i appreciate your approach to the audience by furnishing them with case studies. your seeking shortcomings and suggestions for improvement is the positive spirit of a researcher. > > > > since i learnt astrology in north india and studied most texts only in hindi and sanskrit, let me also inform the audience that surya siddhanta is the base for almost all panchangas in the cow belt including the government of india published one. this makes surya siddhanta as an accepted base of astronomy and we find its references as bases in MANY government of india websites and scientific organisations that gauge astronomy and are involved into panchanga. > > > > if i read the initial reaction mails to yours earlier, the audience felt the base of your software viz. surya siddhanta as something cooked in your kitchen or picked from some remote corner not familiar and accepted elsewhere. am aware that most kashi pandits (astrologers) and BHU uses this surya siddhanta. if other softwares base on something else in other geographies, it is fine but they shall not find surya siddhanta as alien and unacceptable. > > > > the modern audience with vast resources of internt available at fingertips, would be convinced not by telling from our mouth but by furnishing them the accepted published references, substantiations and corroborations. accordingly, you are requested to publish the names of all government of india organisations and publications that clearly mention surya siddhanta as their base for astronomy and also for panchanga forecast so that natives find it easier to get convinced about the acceptance of the surya siddhanta in the first place. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > www.rudraksahremedy .com > > > > , " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > To All : > > > > > > 20 Case Studies have been placed at Click_Here > > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Annual+Rains+ -2+%3A+Worst+ Years> > > > . Ten best and ten worst years in the recorded history of Indian > > > Monsoons have been astrologically analyzed according to easiest and > > > basic rules of individual horodcopy, esp of Parashara (BPHS). Comparison > > > of Suryasiddhantic and modern astronomical charts have been carried out. > > > > > > Please point out the shortcomings. I will try to improve the > > > presentation according to suggestions. > > > > > > Four individual case studies of Death are Click_Here > > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Prediction+ of+Death> . > > > > > > One individual case study of Brain Damage is Click_Here > > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Brain+Damage> . > > > > > > One case study of Aircraft Crash is Click_Here > > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Aircraft+ Crash+AF447> , which is > > > a summary of 18 detailed mundane charts. > > > > > > In addition to these 26 case studies, I will try to put more. > > > > > > -Vinay Jha > > > ============ ======= ===== > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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