Guest guest Posted June 2, 2009 Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 To All : 20 Case Studies have been placed at Click_Here <http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Annual+Rains+-2+%3A+Worst+Years> .. Ten best and ten worst years in the recorded history of Indian Monsoons have been astrologically analyzed according to easiest and basic rules of individual horodcopy, esp of Parashara (BPHS). Comparison of Suryasiddhantic and modern astronomical charts have been carried out. Please point out the shortcomings. I will try to improve the presentation according to suggestions. Four individual case studies of Death are Click_Here <http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Prediction+of+Death> . One individual case study of Brain Damage is Click_Here <http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Brain+Damage> . One case study of Aircraft Crash is Click_Here <http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Aircraft+Crash+AF447> , which is a summary of 18 detailed mundane charts. In addition to these 26 case studies, I will try to put more. -Vinay Jha =================== ===== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 dear vinayji firstly i appreciate your approach to the audience by furnishing them with case studies. your seeking shortcomings and suggestions for improvement is the positive spirit of a researcher. since i learnt astrology in north india and studied most texts only in hindi and sanskrit, let me also inform the audience that surya siddhanta is the base for almost all panchangas in the cow belt including the government of india published one. this makes surya siddhanta as an accepted base of astronomy and we find its references as bases in MANY government of india websites and scientific organisations that gauge astronomy and are involved into panchanga. if i read the initial reaction mails to yours earlier, the audience felt the base of your software viz. surya siddhanta as something cooked in your kitchen or picked from some remote corner not familiar and accepted elsewhere. am aware that most kashi pandits (astrologers) and BHU uses this surya siddhanta. if other softwares base on something else in other geographies, it is fine but they shall not find surya siddhanta as alien and unacceptable. the modern audience with vast resources of internt available at fingertips, would be convinced not by telling from our mouth but by furnishing them the accepted published references, substantiations and corroborations. accordingly, you are requested to publish the names of all government of india organisations and publications that clearly mention surya siddhanta as their base for astronomy and also for panchanga forecast so that natives find it easier to get convinced about the acceptance of the surya siddhanta in the first place. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksahremedy.com , " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > To All : > > 20 Case Studies have been placed at Click_Here > <http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Annual+Rains+-2+%3A+Worst+Years> > . Ten best and ten worst years in the recorded history of Indian > Monsoons have been astrologically analyzed according to easiest and > basic rules of individual horodcopy, esp of Parashara (BPHS). Comparison > of Suryasiddhantic and modern astronomical charts have been carried out. > > Please point out the shortcomings. I will try to improve the > presentation according to suggestions. > > Four individual case studies of Death are Click_Here > <http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Prediction+of+Death> . > > One individual case study of Brain Damage is Click_Here > <http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Brain+Damage> . > > One case study of Aircraft Crash is Click_Here > <http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Aircraft+Crash+AF447> , which is > a summary of 18 detailed mundane charts. > > In addition to these 26 case studies, I will try to put more. > > -Vinay Jha > =================== ===== > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 Arjun Ji, Various departments and institutions under Govt of India or supported by it publish both Drikpakshiya (based on physical astronomy) as well as Suryasiddhantic panchangas. For instance, the HRD Ministry of Govt of Bihar publishes Suryasiddhantic panchanga. Banaras Hindu University has been publishing Suryasiddhantic panchanga for over a century. KSD Sanskrit University is publishing its panchanga from Makaranda Tables which were made from Suryasiddhanta in 1478 AD. The most popular group of panchangas of India, Hrikesha Panchangas of Varanasi, use Suryasiddhantic Makaranda Tables for upper tables and Graha Laaghava for lower tables ; Graha Laaghava is a crude mediaeval text based on Suryasiddhanta and some other ancient texts which were directly or indirectly based upon Suryasiddhanta ultimately. Almost all traditional panchangas of the cow belt are based on Suryasiddhanta either directly or indirectly (i.e., on texts which were derived from Suryasiddhanta in some way or another). All traditional panchangas of Bengal are made from Siddhanta Darpana which is a mediaeval text based on Suryasiddhanta. A pandit from Sringeri Math in Karnataka told me that many south Indian panchangas are also based on Suryasiddhanta, but I do not know the names of those panchangas. Some internet users are deliberately trying to create an impression that I am the only person to use Suryasiddhantic method. The fact is that Suryasiddhantic method is mostly used by traditional astrologers and these pandits are not deft in using computers and internet. Virtual absence of traditional siddhantic astrology from internet does not mean that traditional siddhantic astrology has died out. I am the first person to convert Suryasiddhantic method into the form of softwares. Some undemocratic persons want to banish Suryasiddhantic method from internet. They forget that Suryasiddhanta is the only surviving apaurusheya text which even Varaha Mihira lauded as the best and also said it was the siddhanta of Lord Savitaa (Surya).It is amusing to note that many " disciples " of Varaha Mihira are opposing Suryasiddhanta on internet ! They want to " modernize " Jyotisha, but do not know that BPHS and a lot of other classics can work 100% accurately ONLY with Suryasiddhanta. The Case Studies I put forth irrefutably prove that Suryasiddhanticmethod is 100% perfect in all cases, while physical astronomy is unsuitable for predictive astrology. It took me about 200 hours to write down these 20 Case Studies (because I had to translate the mundane software into English too). I request astrologers to spend some time seriously over these case studies, and try to refute my analyses in a scientific and cordial manner, instead of abusing and attacking as a few persons were doing in some fora. In another forum, three astrologers " laughed " at me for presenting post-mortem case study instead of " predicting " the AF447 crash. They do not recognize that no individual astrologer can keep track of all flights and make predictions : it is beyond the power of an individual. Scientists work in team spirit, while astrologers " laugh " at each other ! They also do not recognize that postmortem, ie, case study, is the only way to analyze, learn, compare, discuss, etc, without which no branch of knowledge can advance an inch. -Vinay Jha ================= ==== ________________________________ panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 Wednesday, June 3, 2009 7:05:35 AM Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion dear vinayji firstly i appreciate your approach to the audience by furnishing them with case studies. your seeking shortcomings and suggestions for improvement is the positive spirit of a researcher. since i learnt astrology in north india and studied most texts only in hindi and sanskrit, let me also inform the audience that surya siddhanta is the base for almost all panchangas in the cow belt including the government of india published one. this makes surya siddhanta as an accepted base of astronomy and we find its references as bases in MANY government of india websites and scientific organisations that gauge astronomy and are involved into panchanga. if i read the initial reaction mails to yours earlier, the audience felt the base of your software viz. surya siddhanta as something cooked in your kitchen or picked from some remote corner not familiar and accepted elsewhere. am aware that most kashi pandits (astrologers) and BHU uses this surya siddhanta. if other softwares base on something else in other geographies, it is fine but they shall not find surya siddhanta as alien and unacceptable. the modern audience with vast resources of internt available at fingertips, would be convinced not by telling from our mouth but by furnishing them the accepted published references, substantiations and corroborations. accordingly, you are requested to publish the names of all government of india organisations and publications that clearly mention surya siddhanta as their base for astronomy and also for panchanga forecast so that natives find it easier to get convinced about the acceptance of the surya siddhanta in the first place. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksahremedy .com , " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > To All : > > 20 Case Studies have been placed at Click_Here > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Annual+Rains+ -2+%3A+Worst+ Years> > . Ten best and ten worst years in the recorded history of Indian > Monsoons have been astrologically analyzed according to easiest and > basic rules of individual horodcopy, esp of Parashara (BPHS). Comparison > of Suryasiddhantic and modern astronomical charts have been carried out. > > Please point out the shortcomings. I will try to improve the > presentation according to suggestions. > > Four individual case studies of Death are Click_Here > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Prediction+ of+Death> . > > One individual case study of Brain Damage is Click_Here > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Brain+Damage> . > > One case study of Aircraft Crash is Click_Here > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Aircraft+ Crash+AF447> , which is > a summary of 18 detailed mundane charts. > > In addition to these 26 case studies, I will try to put more. > > -Vinay Jha > ============ ======= ===== > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 Dear VJ, Can you please explain why physical astronomy is not suitable for predictions. Regards, Gautam On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > > Arjun Ji, > > Various departments and institutions under Govt of India or supported by it > publish both Drikpakshiya (based on physical astronomy) as well as > Suryasiddhantic panchangas. For instance, the HRD Ministry of Govt of Bihar > publishes Suryasiddhantic panchanga. Banaras Hindu University has been > publishing Suryasiddhantic panchanga for over a century. KSD Sanskrit > University is publishing its panchanga from Makaranda Tables which were made > from Suryasiddhanta in 1478 AD. The most popular group of panchangas of > India, Hrikesha Panchangas of Varanasi, use Suryasiddhantic Makaranda Tables > for upper tables and Graha Laaghava for lower tables ; Graha Laaghava is a > crude mediaeval text based on Suryasiddhanta and some other ancient texts > which were directly or indirectly based upon Suryasiddhanta ultimately. > Almost all traditional panchangas of the cow belt are based on > Suryasiddhanta either directly or indirectly (i.e., on texts which were > derived from > Suryasiddhanta in some way or another). All traditional panchangas of > Bengal are made from Siddhanta Darpana which is a mediaeval text based on > Suryasiddhanta. A pandit from Sringeri Math in Karnataka told me that many > south Indian panchangas are also based on Suryasiddhanta, but I do not know > the names of those panchangas. > > Some internet users are deliberately trying to create an impression that I > am the only person to use Suryasiddhantic method. The fact is that > Suryasiddhantic method is mostly used by traditional astrologers and these > pandits are not deft in using computers and internet. Virtual absence of > traditional siddhantic astrology from internet does not mean that > traditional siddhantic astrology has died out. I am the first person to > convert Suryasiddhantic method into the form of softwares. Some undemocratic > persons want to banish Suryasiddhantic method from internet. They forget > that Suryasiddhanta is the only surviving apaurusheya text which even Varaha > Mihira lauded as the best and also said it was the siddhanta of Lord Savitaa > (Surya).It is amusing to note that many " disciples " of Varaha Mihira are > opposing Suryasiddhanta on internet ! They want to " modernize " Jyotisha, but > do not know that BPHS and a lot of other classics can work 100% accurately > ONLY with > Suryasiddhanta. > > The Case Studies I put forth irrefutably prove that Suryasiddhanticmethod > is 100% perfect in all cases, while physical astronomy is unsuitable for > predictive astrology. It took me about 200 hours to write down these 20 Case > Studies (because I had to translate the mundane software into English too). > I request astrologers to spend some time seriously over these case studies, > and try to refute my analyses in a scientific and cordial manner, instead of > abusing and attacking as a few persons were doing in some fora. > > In another forum, three astrologers " laughed " at me for presenting > post-mortem case study instead of " predicting " the AF447 crash. They do not > recognize that no individual astrologer can keep track > of all flights and make predictions : it is beyond the power of an > individual. Scientists work in team spirit, while astrologers " laugh " at > each other ! They also do not recognize that postmortem, ie, case study, is > the only way to analyze, learn, compare, discuss, etc, without which no > branch of knowledge can advance an inch. > > -Vinay Jha > ================= ==== > > ________________________________ > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004<panditarjun2004%40> > > > <%40> > Wednesday, June 3, 2009 7:05:35 AM > Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > > dear vinayji > > firstly i appreciate your approach to the audience by furnishing them with > case studies. your seeking shortcomings and suggestions for improvement is > the positive spirit of a researcher. > > since i learnt astrology in north india and studied most texts only in > hindi and sanskrit, let me also inform the audience that surya siddhanta is > the base for almost all panchangas in the cow belt including the government > of india published one. this makes surya siddhanta as an accepted base of > astronomy and we find its references as bases in MANY government of india > websites and scientific organisations that gauge astronomy and are involved > into panchanga. > > if i read the initial reaction mails to yours earlier, the audience felt > the base of your software viz. surya siddhanta as something cooked in your > kitchen or picked from some remote corner not familiar and accepted > elsewhere. am aware that most kashi pandits (astrologers) and BHU uses this > surya siddhanta. if other softwares base on something else in other > geographies, it is fine but they shall not find surya siddhanta as alien and > unacceptable. > > the modern audience with vast resources of internt available at fingertips, > would be convinced not by telling from our mouth but by furnishing them the > accepted published references, substantiations and corroborations. > accordingly, you are requested to publish the names of all government of > india organisations and publications that clearly mention surya siddhanta as > their base for astronomy and also for panchanga forecast so that natives > find it easier to get convinced about the acceptance of the surya siddhanta > in the first place. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraksahremedy .com > > , " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > > > To All : > > > > 20 Case Studies have been placed at Click_Here > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Annual+Rains+ -2+%3A+Worst+ > Years> > > . Ten best and ten worst years in the recorded history of Indian > > Monsoons have been astrologically analyzed according to easiest and > > basic rules of individual horodcopy, esp of Parashara (BPHS). Comparison > > of Suryasiddhantic and modern astronomical charts have been carried out. > > > > Please point out the shortcomings. I will try to improve the > > presentation according to suggestions. > > > > Four individual case studies of Death are Click_Here > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Prediction+ of+Death> . > > > > One individual case study of Brain Damage is Click_Here > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Brain+Damage> . > > > > One case study of Aircraft Crash is Click_Here > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Aircraft+ Crash+AF447> , which > is > > a summary of 18 detailed mundane charts. > > > > In addition to these 26 case studies, I will try to put more. > > > > -Vinay Jha > > ============ ======= ===== > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 Dear Vinay Ji,Arjun Ji and all senior members, Surya Siddhanta being a classical approach we have no doubts in it's reliability or being made as a base for several Almanacs in the country. The laudable effort of Shri Vinayaji lies in making it's application internet savy and also considers munadane applications as it's obejectivity guiding the all human beings in the welfare of the state. I know individual chart have their own inconsistencies in what ever way we derive through physical movements of planets as is being done or otherwise. Now Ayanamsa that comes to fore basically on account physical movement of planets can not be neagated till some more as we get access to case charts and study difference between two obvious approaches.Fortunately we have Mercury at last turning direct that helps every one of us in saving our time as issues are likely to be less misunderstood or no effort to think only interms of read between lines. case studies are always of immense value as it provides an opportunity to understand in great details. Astrologer,after all need data and it's dissemination interms of planetary results.We alway find people rushing to Astrologers but interpretation given were always interrogated in terms of consistency.This is where our mutaul perspectives and understanding of the basic principles of jyotish will help us vrkrishnan --- On Tue, 6/2/09, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 9:35 PM dear vinayji firstly i appreciate your approach to the audience by furnishing them with case studies. your seeking shortcomings and suggestions for improvement is the positive spirit of a researcher. since i learnt astrology in north india and studied most texts only in hindi and sanskrit, let me also inform the audience that surya siddhanta is the base for almost all panchangas in the cow belt including the government of india published one. this makes surya siddhanta as an accepted base of astronomy and we find its references as bases in MANY government of india websites and scientific organisations that gauge astronomy and are involved into panchanga. if i read the initial reaction mails to yours earlier, the audience felt the base of your software viz. surya siddhanta as something cooked in your kitchen or picked from some remote corner not familiar and accepted elsewhere. am aware that most kashi pandits (astrologers) and BHU uses this surya siddhanta. if other softwares base on something else in other geographies, it is fine but they shall not find surya siddhanta as alien and unacceptable. the modern audience with vast resources of internt available at fingertips, would be convinced not by telling from our mouth but by furnishing them the accepted published references, substantiations and corroborations. accordingly, you are requested to publish the names of all government of india organisations and publications that clearly mention surya siddhanta as their base for astronomy and also for panchanga forecast so that natives find it easier to get convinced about the acceptance of the surya siddhanta in the first place. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksahremedy .com , " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > To All : > > 20 Case Studies have been placed at Click_Here > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Annual+Rains+ -2+%3A+Worst+ Years> > . Ten best and ten worst years in the recorded history of Indian > Monsoons have been astrologically analyzed according to easiest and > basic rules of individual horodcopy, esp of Parashara (BPHS). Comparison > of Suryasiddhantic and modern astronomical charts have been carried out. > > Please point out the shortcomings. I will try to improve the > presentation according to suggestions. > > Four individual case studies of Death are Click_Here > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Prediction+ of+Death> . > > One individual case study of Brain Damage is Click_Here > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Brain+Damage> . > > One case study of Aircraft Crash is Click_Here > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Aircraft+ Crash+AF447> , which is > a summary of 18 detailed mundane charts. > > In addition to these 26 case studies, I will try to put more. > > -Vinay Jha > ============ ======= ===== > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 I wasted 200 hours for presenting these studies due to insistence of some members. I knew most of internet astrologers will not be interested even in reading such " outdated " approaches. When the proof is before you, Gautam Ji, do you want me to bring Lord Surya in forums to show more direct proofs? Can you not spend 200 seconds to see the answer of your question in these case studies which taxed me 200 hours (excluding the years lost in making mundane softwares) ? If anyone can prove that physical astronomy can explain past data of rainfall consistently, I will renounce Suryasiddhanta. -VJ ________________________________ Gautam.Rampal <gautam.rampal Wednesday, June 3, 2009 1:21:58 PM Re: Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion Dear VJ, Can you please explain why physical astronomy is not suitable for predictions. Regards, Gautam On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote: > > > Arjun Ji, > > Various departments and institutions under Govt of India or supported by it > publish both Drikpakshiya (based on physical astronomy) as well as > Suryasiddhantic panchangas. For instance, the HRD Ministry of Govt of Bihar > publishes Suryasiddhantic panchanga. Banaras Hindu University has been > publishing Suryasiddhantic panchanga for over a century. KSD Sanskrit > University is publishing its panchanga from Makaranda Tables which were made > from Suryasiddhanta in 1478 AD. The most popular group of panchangas of > India, Hrikesha Panchangas of Varanasi, use Suryasiddhantic Makaranda Tables > for upper tables and Graha Laaghava for lower tables ; Graha Laaghava is a > crude mediaeval text based on Suryasiddhanta and some other ancient texts > which were directly or indirectly based upon Suryasiddhanta ultimately. > Almost all traditional panchangas of the cow belt are based on > Suryasiddhanta either directly or indirectly (i.e., on texts which were > derived from > Suryasiddhanta in some way or another). All traditional panchangas of > Bengal are made from Siddhanta Darpana which is a mediaeval text based on > Suryasiddhanta. A pandit from Sringeri Math in Karnataka told me that many > south Indian panchangas are also based on Suryasiddhanta, but I do not know > the names of those panchangas. > > Some internet users are deliberately trying to create an impression that I > am the only person to use Suryasiddhantic method. The fact is that > Suryasiddhantic method is mostly used by traditional astrologers and these > pandits are not deft in using computers and internet. Virtual absence of > traditional siddhantic astrology from internet does not mean that > traditional siddhantic astrology has died out. I am the first person to > convert Suryasiddhantic method into the form of softwares. Some undemocratic > persons want to banish Suryasiddhantic method from internet. They forget > that Suryasiddhanta is the only surviving apaurusheya text which even Varaha > Mihira lauded as the best and also said it was the siddhanta of Lord Savitaa > (Surya).It is amusing to note that many " disciples " of Varaha Mihira are > opposing Suryasiddhanta on internet ! They want to " modernize " Jyotisha, but > do not know that BPHS and a lot of other classics can work 100% accurately > ONLY with > Suryasiddhanta. > > The Case Studies I put forth irrefutably prove that Suryasiddhanticmeth od > is 100% perfect in all cases, while physical astronomy is unsuitable for > predictive astrology. It took me about 200 hours to write down these 20 Case > Studies (because I had to translate the mundane software into English too). > I request astrologers to spend some time seriously over these case studies, > and try to refute my analyses in a scientific and cordial manner, instead of > abusing and attacking as a few persons were doing in some fora. > > In another forum, three astrologers " laughed " at me for presenting > post-mortem case study instead of " predicting " the AF447 crash. They do not > recognize that no individual astrologer can keep track > of all flights and make predictions : it is beyond the power of an > individual. Scientists work in team spirit, while astrologers " laugh " at > each other ! They also do not recognize that postmortem, ie, case study, is > the only way to analyze, learn, compare, discuss, etc, without which no > branch of knowledge can advance an inch. > > -Vinay Jha > ============ ===== ==== > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ <panditarjun2004% 40> > > > <% 40. com> > Wednesday, June 3, 2009 7:05:35 AM > Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > > dear vinayji > > firstly i appreciate your approach to the audience by furnishing them with > case studies. your seeking shortcomings and suggestions for improvement is > the positive spirit of a researcher. > > since i learnt astrology in north india and studied most texts only in > hindi and sanskrit, let me also inform the audience that surya siddhanta is > the base for almost all panchangas in the cow belt including the government > of india published one. this makes surya siddhanta as an accepted base of > astronomy and we find its references as bases in MANY government of india > websites and scientific organisations that gauge astronomy and are involved > into panchanga. > > if i read the initial reaction mails to yours earlier, the audience felt > the base of your software viz. surya siddhanta as something cooked in your > kitchen or picked from some remote corner not familiar and accepted > elsewhere. am aware that most kashi pandits (astrologers) and BHU uses this > surya siddhanta. if other softwares base on something else in other > geographies, it is fine but they shall not find surya siddhanta as alien and > unacceptable. > > the modern audience with vast resources of internt available at fingertips, > would be convinced not by telling from our mouth but by furnishing them the > accepted published references, substantiations and corroborations. > accordingly, you are requested to publish the names of all government of > india organisations and publications that clearly mention surya siddhanta as > their base for astronomy and also for panchanga forecast so that natives > find it easier to get convinced about the acceptance of the surya siddhanta > in the first place. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraksahremedy .com > > , " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > > To All : > > > > 20 Case Studies have been placed at Click_Here > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Annual+Rains+ -2+%3A+Worst+ > Years> > > . Ten best and ten worst years in the recorded history of Indian > > Monsoons have been astrologically analyzed according to easiest and > > basic rules of individual horodcopy, esp of Parashara (BPHS). Comparison > > of Suryasiddhantic and modern astronomical charts have been carried out. > > > > Please point out the shortcomings. I will try to improve the > > presentation according to suggestions. > > > > Four individual case studies of Death are Click_Here > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Prediction+ of+Death> . > > > > One individual case study of Brain Damage is Click_Here > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Brain+Damage> . > > > > One case study of Aircraft Crash is Click_Here > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Aircraft+ Crash+AF447> , which > is > > a summary of 18 detailed mundane charts. > > > > In addition to these 26 case studies, I will try to put more. > > > > -Vinay Jha > > ============ ======= ===== > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 VJ, you have mistaken my question, you would have simply answered my question, perhaps iam willing to understand the case studies. Dont you think that you can asnwer my question in more descriptive manner. Gautam On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > > I wasted 200 hours for presenting these studies due to insistence of some > members. I knew most of internet astrologers will not be interested even in > reading such " outdated " approaches. When the proof is before you, Gautam Ji, > do you want me to bring Lord Surya in forums to show more direct > proofs? Can you not spend 200 seconds to see the answer of your question in > these case studies which taxed me 200 hours (excluding the years lost in > making mundane softwares) ? If anyone can prove that physical astronomy can > explain past data of rainfall consistently, I will renounce Suryasiddhanta. > > -VJ > > ________________________________ > Gautam.Rampal <gautam.rampal <gautam.rampal%40gmail.com>> > > <%40> > Wednesday, June 3, 2009 1:21:58 PM > Re: Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > > Dear VJ, > > Can you please explain why physical astronomy is not suitable for > predictions. > > Regards, > Gautam > > On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote: > > > > > > > Arjun Ji, > > > > Various departments and institutions under Govt of India or supported by > it > > publish both Drikpakshiya (based on physical astronomy) as well as > > Suryasiddhantic panchangas. For instance, the HRD Ministry of Govt of > Bihar > > publishes Suryasiddhantic panchanga. Banaras Hindu University has been > > publishing Suryasiddhantic panchanga for over a century. KSD Sanskrit > > University is publishing its panchanga from Makaranda Tables which were > made > > from Suryasiddhanta in 1478 AD. The most popular group of panchangas of > > India, Hrikesha Panchangas of Varanasi, use Suryasiddhantic Makaranda > Tables > > for upper tables and Graha Laaghava for lower tables ; Graha Laaghava is > a > > crude mediaeval text based on Suryasiddhanta and some other ancient texts > > which were directly or indirectly based upon Suryasiddhanta ultimately. > > Almost all traditional panchangas of the cow belt are based on > > Suryasiddhanta either directly or indirectly (i.e., on texts which were > > derived from > > Suryasiddhanta in some way or another). All traditional panchangas of > > Bengal are made from Siddhanta Darpana which is a mediaeval text based on > > Suryasiddhanta. A pandit from Sringeri Math in Karnataka told me that > many > > south Indian panchangas are also based on Suryasiddhanta, but I do not > know > > the names of those panchangas. > > > > Some internet users are deliberately trying to create an impression that > I > > am the only person to use Suryasiddhantic method. The fact is that > > Suryasiddhantic method is mostly used by traditional astrologers and > these > > pandits are not deft in using computers and internet. Virtual absence of > > traditional siddhantic astrology from internet does not mean that > > traditional siddhantic astrology has died out. I am the first person to > > convert Suryasiddhantic method into the form of softwares. Some > undemocratic > > persons want to banish Suryasiddhantic method from internet. They forget > > that Suryasiddhanta is the only surviving apaurusheya text which even > Varaha > > Mihira lauded as the best and also said it was the siddhanta of Lord > Savitaa > > (Surya).It is amusing to note that many " disciples " of Varaha Mihira are > > opposing Suryasiddhanta on internet ! They want to " modernize " Jyotisha, > but > > do not know that BPHS and a lot of other classics can work 100% > accurately > > ONLY with > > Suryasiddhanta. > > > > The Case Studies I put forth irrefutably prove that Suryasiddhanticmeth > od > > is 100% perfect in all cases, while physical astronomy is unsuitable for > > predictive astrology. It took me about 200 hours to write down these 20 > Case > > Studies (because I had to translate the mundane software into English > too). > > I request astrologers to spend some time seriously over these case > studies, > > and try to refute my analyses in a scientific and cordial manner, instead > of > > abusing and attacking as a few persons were doing in some fora. > > > > In another forum, three astrologers " laughed " at me for presenting > > post-mortem case study instead of " predicting " the AF447 crash. They do > not > > recognize that no individual astrologer can keep track > > of all flights and make predictions : it is beyond the power of an > > individual. Scientists work in team spirit, while astrologers " laugh " at > > each other ! They also do not recognize that postmortem, ie, case study, > is > > the only way to analyze, learn, compare, discuss, etc, without which no > > branch of knowledge can advance an inch. > > > > -Vinay Jha > > ============ ===== ==== > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ <panditarjun2004% > 40> > > > > > <% 40. > com> > > > Wednesday, June 3, 2009 7:05:35 AM > > Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > > > > > dear vinayji > > > > firstly i appreciate your approach to the audience by furnishing them > with > > case studies. your seeking shortcomings and suggestions for improvement > is > > the positive spirit of a researcher. > > > > since i learnt astrology in north india and studied most texts only in > > hindi and sanskrit, let me also inform the audience that surya siddhanta > is > > the base for almost all panchangas in the cow belt including the > government > > of india published one. this makes surya siddhanta as an accepted base of > > astronomy and we find its references as bases in MANY government of india > > websites and scientific organisations that gauge astronomy and are > involved > > into panchanga. > > > > if i read the initial reaction mails to yours earlier, the audience felt > > the base of your software viz. surya siddhanta as something cooked in > your > > kitchen or picked from some remote corner not familiar and accepted > > elsewhere. am aware that most kashi pandits (astrologers) and BHU uses > this > > surya siddhanta. if other softwares base on something else in other > > geographies, it is fine but they shall not find surya siddhanta as alien > and > > unacceptable. > > > > the modern audience with vast resources of internt available at > fingertips, > > would be convinced not by telling from our mouth but by furnishing them > the > > accepted published references, substantiations and corroborations. > > accordingly, you are requested to publish the names of all government of > > india organisations and publications that clearly mention surya siddhanta > as > > their base for astronomy and also for panchanga forecast so that natives > > find it easier to get convinced about the acceptance of the surya > siddhanta > > in the first place. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > www.rudraksahremedy .com > > > > , " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > > > > > To All : > > > > > > 20 Case Studies have been placed at Click_Here > > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Annual+Rains+ -2+%3A+Worst+ > > Years> > > > . Ten best and ten worst years in the recorded history of Indian > > > Monsoons have been astrologically analyzed according to easiest and > > > basic rules of individual horodcopy, esp of Parashara (BPHS). > Comparison > > > of Suryasiddhantic and modern astronomical charts have been carried > out. > > > > > > Please point out the shortcomings. I will try to improve the > > > presentation according to suggestions. > > > > > > Four individual case studies of Death are Click_Here > > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Prediction+ of+Death> . > > > > > > One individual case study of Brain Damage is Click_Here > > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Brain+Damage> . > > > > > > One case study of Aircraft Crash is Click_Here > > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Aircraft+ Crash+AF447> , > which > > is > > > a summary of 18 detailed mundane charts. > > > > > > In addition to these 26 case studies, I will try to put more. > > > > > > -Vinay Jha > > > ============ ======= ===== > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 To All, I was pressed to present Case Studies. Now what is the problem in discussing and proving Suryasiddhanta to be wrong, which proves accurate in 100% cases in all these case studies ? I have consistently followed BPHS and Suryasiddhanta. Please find fault in my approach. It is a request to civil members, and a challenge to abusers of Suryasiddhanta. I have given links of official rainfall data. Anyone can check my method. It is not only a case of mundane astrology, because I used BPHS rules of individual horoscopy to interpret the solar transit charts. 100% accuracy of Suryasiddhanta also means that BPHS is also 100% accurate (esp its basics, excluding some dubious portions which may be interpolations, which have no relevance in my case studies). I will present individual case studies also, for which I am searching for reliable data which could not be challenged as my manipulations. 100% impartiality and 100% scientific approach towards astrology proves Suryasiddhanta and BPHS to be 100% correct. It does not mean other approaches are wrong, because Suryasiddhanta in Ganita and BPHS in phalita are only surviving apaurusheya or Rishi-made texts which treat astrology comprehensively (Jaimini Sutra is incomplete : only two chapters are extant, while 98 chapters of BPHS have survived out of original 100. All other approaches are later developments which owe their correctness to Suryasiddhanta and BPHS, and related texts. No single text contains complete Suryasiddhanta or complete BPHS. Much has been lost during millenia of transmission, and their are interpolations too. Other texts help us in reconstruction of Vedic-puranic tradition of Jyotisha whose mainstay is Suryasiddhanta in Ganita and BPHS in phalita. -Vinay Jha. ________________________________ vattem krishnan <bursar_99 Wednesday, June 3, 2009 1:44:05 PM Re: Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion Dear Vinay Ji,Arjun Ji and all senior members, Surya Siddhanta being a classical approach we have no doubts in it's reliability or being made as a base for several Almanacs in the country. The laudable effort of Shri Vinayaji lies in making it's application internet savy and also considers munadane applications as it's obejectivity guiding the all human beings in the welfare of the state. I know individual chart have their own inconsistencies in what ever way we derive through physical movements of planets as is being done or otherwise. Now Ayanamsa that comes to fore basically on account physical movement of planets can not be neagated till some more as we get access to case charts and study difference between two obvious approaches.Fortunat ely we have Mercury at last turning direct that helps every one of us in saving our time as issues are likely to be less misunderstood or no effort to think only interms of read between lines. case studies are always of immense value as it provides an opportunity to understand in great details. Astrologer,after all need data and it's dissemination interms of planetary results.We alway find people rushing to Astrologers but interpretation given were always interrogated in terms of consistency. This is where our mutaul perspectives and understanding of the basic principles of jyotish will help us vrkrishnan --- On Tue, 6/2/09, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > wrote: panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 9:35 PM dear vinayji firstly i appreciate your approach to the audience by furnishing them with case studies. your seeking shortcomings and suggestions for improvement is the positive spirit of a researcher. since i learnt astrology in north india and studied most texts only in hindi and sanskrit, let me also inform the audience that surya siddhanta is the base for almost all panchangas in the cow belt including the government of india published one. this makes surya siddhanta as an accepted base of astronomy and we find its references as bases in MANY government of india websites and scientific organisations that gauge astronomy and are involved into panchanga. if i read the initial reaction mails to yours earlier, the audience felt the base of your software viz. surya siddhanta as something cooked in your kitchen or picked from some remote corner not familiar and accepted elsewhere. am aware that most kashi pandits (astrologers) and BHU uses this surya siddhanta. if other softwares base on something else in other geographies, it is fine but they shall not find surya siddhanta as alien and unacceptable. the modern audience with vast resources of internt available at fingertips, would be convinced not by telling from our mouth but by furnishing them the accepted published references, substantiations and corroborations. accordingly, you are requested to publish the names of all government of india organisations and publications that clearly mention surya siddhanta as their base for astronomy and also for panchanga forecast so that natives find it easier to get convinced about the acceptance of the surya siddhanta in the first place. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksahremedy .com , " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > To All : > > 20 Case Studies have been placed at Click_Here > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Annual+Rains+ -2+%3A+Worst+ Years> > . Ten best and ten worst years in the recorded history of Indian > Monsoons have been astrologically analyzed according to easiest and > basic rules of individual horodcopy, esp of Parashara (BPHS). Comparison > of Suryasiddhantic and modern astronomical charts have been carried out. > > Please point out the shortcomings. I will try to improve the > presentation according to suggestions. > > Four individual case studies of Death are Click_Here > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Prediction+ of+Death> . > > One individual case study of Brain Damage is Click_Here > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Brain+Damage> . > > One case study of Aircraft Crash is Click_Here > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Aircraft+ Crash+AF447> , which is > a summary of 18 detailed mundane charts. > > In addition to these 26 case studies, I will try to put more. > > -Vinay Jha > ============ ======= ===== > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 VJ, You have not still answered my question, i have downloaded the software that you are distributing freely. On the start screen it says " based on vedic and tantric principles " what does " trantic principles " mean can you elaborate it please ?. Its ok if you are not willing to share the princples with public. Regards, Gautam On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > > To All, > > I was pressed to present Case Studies. Now what is the problem in > discussing and proving Suryasiddhanta to be wrong, which proves accurate in > 100% cases in all these case studies ? I have consistently followed BPHS and > Suryasiddhanta. Please find fault in my approach. It is a request to civil > members, and a challenge to abusers of Suryasiddhanta. > > I have given links of official rainfall data. Anyone can check my method. > It is not only a case of mundane astrology, because I used BPHS rules of > individual horoscopy to interpret the solar transit charts. 100% accuracy of > Suryasiddhanta also means that BPHS is also 100% accurate (esp its basics, > excluding some dubious portions which may be interpolations, which have no > relevance in my case studies). > > I will present individual case studies also, for which I am searching for > reliable data which could not be challenged as my manipulations. 100% > impartiality and 100% scientific approach towards astrology proves > Suryasiddhanta and BPHS to be 100% correct. It does not mean other > approaches are wrong, because Suryasiddhanta in Ganita and BPHS in phalita > are only surviving apaurusheya or Rishi-made texts which treat astrology > comprehensively (Jaimini Sutra is incomplete : only two chapters are extant, > while 98 chapters of BPHS have survived out of original 100. All other > approaches are later developments which owe their correctness to > Suryasiddhanta and BPHS, and related texts. No single text contains complete > Suryasiddhanta or complete BPHS. Much has been lost during millenia of > transmission, and their are interpolations too. Other texts help us in > reconstruction of Vedic-puranic tradition of Jyotisha whose mainstay is > Suryasiddhanta in Ganita and BPHS in > phalita. > > -Vinay Jha. > > ________________________________ > vattem krishnan <bursar_99 <bursar_99%40>> > > <%40> > Wednesday, June 3, 2009 1:44:05 PM > Re: Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > Dear Vinay Ji,Arjun Ji and all senior members, > Surya Siddhanta being a classical approach we have no doubts in it's > reliability or being made as a base for several Almanacs in the country. > The laudable effort of Shri Vinayaji lies in making it's application > internet savy and also considers munadane applications as it's obejectivity > guiding the all human beings in the welfare of the state. > I know individual chart have their own inconsistencies in what ever way we > derive through physical movements of planets as is being done or otherwise. > Now Ayanamsa that comes to fore basically on account physical movement of > planets can not be neagated till some more as we get access to case charts > and study difference between two obvious approaches.Fortunat ely we have > Mercury at last turning direct that helps every one of us in saving our time > as issues are likely to be less misunderstood or no effort to think only > interms of read between lines. > case studies are always of immense value as it provides an opportunity to > understand in great details. > Astrologer,after all need data and it's dissemination interms of planetary > results.We alway find people rushing to Astrologers but interpretation given > were always interrogated in terms of consistency. This is where our mutaul > perspectives and understanding of the basic principles of jyotish will help > us > vrkrishnan > > --- On Tue, 6/2/09, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > wrote: > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > > Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 9:35 PM > > > dear vinayji > > firstly i appreciate your approach to the audience by furnishing them with > case studies. your seeking shortcomings and suggestions for improvement is > the positive spirit of a researcher. > > since i learnt astrology in north india and studied most texts only in > hindi and sanskrit, let me also inform the audience that surya siddhanta is > the base for almost all panchangas in the cow belt including the government > of india published one. this makes surya siddhanta as an accepted base of > astronomy and we find its references as bases in MANY government of india > websites and scientific organisations that gauge astronomy and are involved > into panchanga. > > if i read the initial reaction mails to yours earlier, the audience felt > the base of your software viz. surya siddhanta as something cooked in your > kitchen or picked from some remote corner not familiar and accepted > elsewhere. am aware that most kashi pandits (astrologers) and BHU uses this > surya siddhanta. if other softwares base on something else in other > geographies, it is fine but they shall not find surya siddhanta as alien and > unacceptable. > > the modern audience with vast resources of internt available at fingertips, > would be convinced not by telling from our mouth but by furnishing them the > accepted published references, substantiations and corroborations. > accordingly, you are requested to publish the names of all government of > india organisations and publications that clearly mention surya siddhanta as > their base for astronomy and also for panchanga forecast so that natives > find it easier to get convinced about the acceptance of the surya siddhanta > in the first place. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraksahremedy .com > > , " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > > > To All : > > > > 20 Case Studies have been placed at Click_Here > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Annual+Rains+ -2+%3A+Worst+ > Years> > > . Ten best and ten worst years in the recorded history of Indian > > Monsoons have been astrologically analyzed according to easiest and > > basic rules of individual horodcopy, esp of Parashara (BPHS). Comparison > > of Suryasiddhantic and modern astronomical charts have been carried out. > > > > Please point out the shortcomings. I will try to improve the > > presentation according to suggestions. > > > > Four individual case studies of Death are Click_Here > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Prediction+ of+Death> . > > > > One individual case study of Brain Damage is Click_Here > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Brain+Damage> . > > > > One case study of Aircraft Crash is Click_Here > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Aircraft+ Crash+AF447> , which > is > > a summary of 18 detailed mundane charts. > > > > In addition to these 26 case studies, I will try to put more. > > > > -Vinay Jha > > ============ ======= ===== > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 For third time I say that the answer to your question lies in the Case Studies ( " the proof is before you " ) which you do not want to discuss ! You want answer in a nutshell, without discussing the practical proofs I presented in these case studies. Only a comparison of many charts made from alternative methods can prove which method is suitable for astrology, but you want to solve the issue not by practical tests which has been presented in 26 case studies. Practical test is the criterion in scientific method. How you want to solve the issue, if not through practical test ? If you do not want to examine these case studies, please do not spoil this thread and let others read and discuss these cases, and put your question in a new thread where I will try to answer you. The only proof of a method is its result which you do not want to see and yet want me to answer your question !!! Do not try to misinterpret my words and do not take my remarks personally. Cool down and think for a while what I say for the fourth time : " the answer to your question lies in the Case Studies " which you ignore perhaps for want of time. If you are really serious in your question, you will need to spend days and months in finding the answer. But if you want an answer in a nutshell, here is it : <<< " Can you please explain why physical astronomy is not suitable for predictions. " >>> Physical astronomy studies physical properties of (material) physical bodies, which are inanimate things and cannot determine destinies of living creatures. Only divine entities can determine human destinies, which are outside the scope of physical sciences. If you want fuller " explanation " as your question suggests, you MUST read the case studies patiently; there is no shortcut. -VJ ________________________________ Gautam.Rampal <gautam.rampal Wednesday, June 3, 2009 3:39:38 PM Re: Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion VJ, you have mistaken my question, you would have simply answered my question, perhaps iam willing to understand the case studies. Dont you think that you can asnwer my question in more descriptive manner. Gautam On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote: > > > I wasted 200 hours for presenting these studies due to insistence of some > members. I knew most of internet astrologers will not be interested even in > reading such " outdated " approaches. When the proof is before you, Gautam Ji, > do you want me to bring Lord Surya in forums to show more direct > proofs? Can you not spend 200 seconds to see the answer of your question in > these case studies which taxed me 200 hours (excluding the years lost in > making mundane softwares) ? If anyone can prove that physical astronomy can > explain past data of rainfall consistently, I will renounce Suryasiddhanta. > > -VJ > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Gautam.Rampal <gautam.rampal@ gmail.com <gautam.rampal% 40gmail.com> > > > <% 40. com> > Wednesday, June 3, 2009 1:21:58 PM > Re: Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > > Dear VJ, > > Can you please explain why physical astronomy is not suitable for > predictions. > > Regards, > Gautam > > On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote: > > > > > > > Arjun Ji, > > > > Various departments and institutions under Govt of India or supported by > it > > publish both Drikpakshiya (based on physical astronomy) as well as > > Suryasiddhantic panchangas. For instance, the HRD Ministry of Govt of > Bihar > > publishes Suryasiddhantic panchanga. Banaras Hindu University has been > > publishing Suryasiddhantic panchanga for over a century. KSD Sanskrit > > University is publishing its panchanga from Makaranda Tables which were > made > > from Suryasiddhanta in 1478 AD. The most popular group of panchangas of > > India, Hrikesha Panchangas of Varanasi, use Suryasiddhantic Makaranda > Tables > > for upper tables and Graha Laaghava for lower tables ; Graha Laaghava is > a > > crude mediaeval text based on Suryasiddhanta and some other ancient texts > > which were directly or indirectly based upon Suryasiddhanta ultimately. > > Almost all traditional panchangas of the cow belt are based on > > Suryasiddhanta either directly or indirectly (i.e., on texts which were > > derived from > > Suryasiddhanta in some way or another). All traditional panchangas of > > Bengal are made from Siddhanta Darpana which is a mediaeval text based on > > Suryasiddhanta. A pandit from Sringeri Math in Karnataka told me that > many > > south Indian panchangas are also based on Suryasiddhanta, but I do not > know > > the names of those panchangas. > > > > Some internet users are deliberately trying to create an impression that > I > > am the only person to use Suryasiddhantic method. The fact is that > > Suryasiddhantic method is mostly used by traditional astrologers and > these > > pandits are not deft in using computers and internet. Virtual absence of > > traditional siddhantic astrology from internet does not mean that > > traditional siddhantic astrology has died out. I am the first person to > > convert Suryasiddhantic method into the form of softwares. Some > undemocratic > > persons want to banish Suryasiddhantic method from internet. They forget > > that Suryasiddhanta is the only surviving apaurusheya text which even > Varaha > > Mihira lauded as the best and also said it was the siddhanta of Lord > Savitaa > > (Surya).It is amusing to note that many " disciples " of Varaha Mihira are > > opposing Suryasiddhanta on internet ! They want to " modernize " Jyotisha, > but > > do not know that BPHS and a lot of other classics can work 100% > accurately > > ONLY with > > Suryasiddhanta. > > > > The Case Studies I put forth irrefutably prove that Suryasiddhanticmeth > od > > is 100% perfect in all cases, while physical astronomy is unsuitable for > > predictive astrology. It took me about 200 hours to write down these 20 > Case > > Studies (because I had to translate the mundane software into English > too). > > I request astrologers to spend some time seriously over these case > studies, > > and try to refute my analyses in a scientific and cordial manner, instead > of > > abusing and attacking as a few persons were doing in some fora. > > > > In another forum, three astrologers " laughed " at me for presenting > > post-mortem case study instead of " predicting " the AF447 crash. They do > not > > recognize that no individual astrologer can keep track > > of all flights and make predictions : it is beyond the power of an > > individual. Scientists work in team spirit, while astrologers " laugh " at > > each other ! They also do not recognize that postmortem, ie, case study, > is > > the only way to analyze, learn, compare, discuss, etc, without which no > > branch of knowledge can advance an inch. > > > > -Vinay Jha > > ============ ===== ==== > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ <panditarj un2004% > 40> > > > > > <% 40. > com> > > > Wednesday, June 3, 2009 7:05:35 AM > > Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > > > > > dear vinayji > > > > firstly i appreciate your approach to the audience by furnishing them > with > > case studies. your seeking shortcomings and suggestions for improvement > is > > the positive spirit of a researcher. > > > > since i learnt astrology in north india and studied most texts only in > > hindi and sanskrit, let me also inform the audience that surya siddhanta > is > > the base for almost all panchangas in the cow belt including the > government > > of india published one. this makes surya siddhanta as an accepted base of > > astronomy and we find its references as bases in MANY government of india > > websites and scientific organisations that gauge astronomy and are > involved > > into panchanga. > > > > if i read the initial reaction mails to yours earlier, the audience felt > > the base of your software viz. surya siddhanta as something cooked in > your > > kitchen or picked from some remote corner not familiar and accepted > > elsewhere. am aware that most kashi pandits (astrologers) and BHU uses > this > > surya siddhanta. if other softwares base on something else in other > > geographies, it is fine but they shall not find surya siddhanta as alien > and > > unacceptable. > > > > the modern audience with vast resources of internt available at > fingertips, > > would be convinced not by telling from our mouth but by furnishing them > the > > accepted published references, substantiations and corroborations. > > accordingly, you are requested to publish the names of all government of > > india organisations and publications that clearly mention surya siddhanta > as > > their base for astronomy and also for panchanga forecast so that natives > > find it easier to get convinced about the acceptance of the surya > siddhanta > > in the first place. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > www.rudraksahremedy .com > > > > , " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > To All : > > > > > > 20 Case Studies have been placed at Click_Here > > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Annual+Rains+ -2+%3A+Worst+ > > Years> > > > . Ten best and ten worst years in the recorded history of Indian > > > Monsoons have been astrologically analyzed according to easiest and > > > basic rules of individual horodcopy, esp of Parashara (BPHS). > Comparison > > > of Suryasiddhantic and modern astronomical charts have been carried > out. > > > > > > Please point out the shortcomings. I will try to improve the > > > presentation according to suggestions. > > > > > > Four individual case studies of Death are Click_Here > > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Prediction+ of+Death> . > > > > > > One individual case study of Brain Damage is Click_Here > > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Brain+Damage> . > > > > > > One case study of Aircraft Crash is Click_Here > > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Aircraft+ Crash+AF447> , > which > > is > > > a summary of 18 detailed mundane charts. > > > > > > In addition to these 26 case studies, I will try to put more. > > > > > > -Vinay Jha > > > ============ ======= ===== > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 Ok, I will read the case study again. On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 4:08 PM, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > > For third time I say that the answer to your question lies in the Case > Studies ( " the proof is before you " ) which you do not want to discuss ! You > want answer in a nutshell, without discussing the practical proofs I > presented in these case studies. Only a comparison of many charts made from > alternative methods can prove which method is suitable for astrology, but > you want to solve the issue not by practical tests which has been presented > in 26 case studies. Practical test is the criterion in scientific method. > How you want to solve the issue, if not through practical test ? If you do > not want to examine these case studies, please do not spoil this thread and > let others read and discuss these cases, and put your question in a new > thread where I will try to answer you. The only proof of a method is its > result which you do not want to see and yet want me to answer your question > !!! Do not try to misinterpret my words and do not take my remarks > personally. Cool down and think for a while what I say for the fourth time > : " the answer to your question lies in the Case Studies " which you ignore > perhaps for want of time. If you are really serious in your question, you > will need to spend days and months in finding the answer. But if you want an > answer in a nutshell, here is it : > > > <<< " Can you please explain why physical astronomy is not suitable for > predictions. " >>> > > Physical astronomy studies physical properties of (material) physical > bodies, which are inanimate things and cannot determine destinies of living > creatures. Only divine entities can determine human destinies, which are > outside the scope of physical sciences. If you want fuller " explanation " as > your question suggests, you MUST read the case studies patiently; there is > no shortcut. > > -VJ > > ________________________________ > Gautam.Rampal <gautam.rampal <gautam.rampal%40gmail.com>> > <%40> > Wednesday, June 3, 2009 3:39:38 PM > Re: Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > VJ, > > you have mistaken my question, you would have simply answered my question, > perhaps iam willing to understand the case studies. > Dont you think that you can asnwer my question in more descriptive manner. > > Gautam > > On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote: > > > > > > > I wasted 200 hours for presenting these studies due to insistence of some > > members. I knew most of internet astrologers will not be interested even > in > > reading such " outdated " approaches. When the proof is before you, Gautam > Ji, > > do you want me to bring Lord Surya in forums to show more direct > > proofs? Can you not spend 200 seconds to see the answer of your question > in > > these case studies which taxed me 200 hours (excluding the years lost in > > making mundane softwares) ? If anyone can prove that physical astronomy > can > > explain past data of rainfall consistently, I will renounce > Suryasiddhanta. > > > > -VJ > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Gautam.Rampal <gautam.rampal@ gmail.com <gautam.rampal% > 40gmail.com> > > > > > <% 40. > com> > > Wednesday, June 3, 2009 1:21:58 PM > > Re: Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > > > > > Dear VJ, > > > > Can you please explain why physical astronomy is not suitable for > > predictions. > > > > Regards, > > Gautam > > > > On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Arjun Ji, > > > > > > Various departments and institutions under Govt of India or supported > by > > it > > > publish both Drikpakshiya (based on physical astronomy) as well as > > > Suryasiddhantic panchangas. For instance, the HRD Ministry of Govt of > > Bihar > > > publishes Suryasiddhantic panchanga. Banaras Hindu University has been > > > publishing Suryasiddhantic panchanga for over a century. KSD Sanskrit > > > University is publishing its panchanga from Makaranda Tables which were > > made > > > from Suryasiddhanta in 1478 AD. The most popular group of panchangas of > > > India, Hrikesha Panchangas of Varanasi, use Suryasiddhantic Makaranda > > Tables > > > for upper tables and Graha Laaghava for lower tables ; Graha Laaghava > is > > a > > > crude mediaeval text based on Suryasiddhanta and some other ancient > texts > > > which were directly or indirectly based upon Suryasiddhanta ultimately. > > > Almost all traditional panchangas of the cow belt are based on > > > Suryasiddhanta either directly or indirectly (i.e., on texts which were > > > derived from > > > Suryasiddhanta in some way or another). All traditional panchangas of > > > Bengal are made from Siddhanta Darpana which is a mediaeval text based > on > > > Suryasiddhanta. A pandit from Sringeri Math in Karnataka told me that > > many > > > south Indian panchangas are also based on Suryasiddhanta, but I do not > > know > > > the names of those panchangas. > > > > > > Some internet users are deliberately trying to create an impression > that > > I > > > am the only person to use Suryasiddhantic method. The fact is that > > > Suryasiddhantic method is mostly used by traditional astrologers and > > these > > > pandits are not deft in using computers and internet. Virtual absence > of > > > traditional siddhantic astrology from internet does not mean that > > > traditional siddhantic astrology has died out. I am the first person to > > > convert Suryasiddhantic method into the form of softwares. Some > > undemocratic > > > persons want to banish Suryasiddhantic method from internet. They > forget > > > that Suryasiddhanta is the only surviving apaurusheya text which even > > Varaha > > > Mihira lauded as the best and also said it was the siddhanta of Lord > > Savitaa > > > (Surya).It is amusing to note that many " disciples " of Varaha Mihira > are > > > opposing Suryasiddhanta on internet ! They want to " modernize " > Jyotisha, > > but > > > do not know that BPHS and a lot of other classics can work 100% > > accurately > > > ONLY with > > > Suryasiddhanta. > > > > > > The Case Studies I put forth irrefutably prove that Suryasiddhanticmeth > > od > > > is 100% perfect in all cases, while physical astronomy is unsuitable > for > > > predictive astrology. It took me about 200 hours to write down these 20 > > Case > > > Studies (because I had to translate the mundane software into English > > too). > > > I request astrologers to spend some time seriously over these case > > studies, > > > and try to refute my analyses in a scientific and cordial manner, > instead > > of > > > abusing and attacking as a few persons were doing in some fora. > > > > > > In another forum, three astrologers " laughed " at me for presenting > > > post-mortem case study instead of " predicting " the AF447 crash. They do > > not > > > recognize that no individual astrologer can keep track > > > of all flights and make predictions : it is beyond the power of an > > > individual. Scientists work in team spirit, while astrologers " laugh " > at > > > each other ! They also do not recognize that postmortem, ie, case > study, > > is > > > the only way to analyze, learn, compare, discuss, etc, without which no > > > branch of knowledge can advance an inch. > > > > > > -Vinay Jha > > > ============ ===== ==== > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ <panditarj un2004% > > 40> > > > > > > > <% > 40. > > com> > > > > > Wednesday, June 3, 2009 7:05:35 AM > > > Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > > > > > > > > dear vinayji > > > > > > firstly i appreciate your approach to the audience by furnishing them > > with > > > case studies. your seeking shortcomings and suggestions for improvement > > is > > > the positive spirit of a researcher. > > > > > > since i learnt astrology in north india and studied most texts only in > > > hindi and sanskrit, let me also inform the audience that surya > siddhanta > > is > > > the base for almost all panchangas in the cow belt including the > > government > > > of india published one. this makes surya siddhanta as an accepted base > of > > > astronomy and we find its references as bases in MANY government of > india > > > websites and scientific organisations that gauge astronomy and are > > involved > > > into panchanga. > > > > > > if i read the initial reaction mails to yours earlier, the audience > felt > > > the base of your software viz. surya siddhanta as something cooked in > > your > > > kitchen or picked from some remote corner not familiar and accepted > > > elsewhere. am aware that most kashi pandits (astrologers) and BHU uses > > this > > > surya siddhanta. if other softwares base on something else in other > > > geographies, it is fine but they shall not find surya siddhanta as > alien > > and > > > unacceptable. > > > > > > the modern audience with vast resources of internt available at > > fingertips, > > > would be convinced not by telling from our mouth but by furnishing them > > the > > > accepted published references, substantiations and corroborations. > > > accordingly, you are requested to publish the names of all government > of > > > india organisations and publications that clearly mention surya > siddhanta > > as > > > their base for astronomy and also for panchanga forecast so that > natives > > > find it easier to get convinced about the acceptance of the surya > > siddhanta > > > in the first place. > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > pandit arjun > > > www.rudraksahremedy .com > > > > > > , " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > > > > > > > To All : > > > > > > > > 20 Case Studies have been placed at Click_Here > > > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Annual+Rains+ -2+%3A+Worst+ > > > Years> > > > > . Ten best and ten worst years in the recorded history of Indian > > > > Monsoons have been astrologically analyzed according to easiest and > > > > basic rules of individual horodcopy, esp of Parashara (BPHS). > > Comparison > > > > of Suryasiddhantic and modern astronomical charts have been carried > > out. > > > > > > > > Please point out the shortcomings. I will try to improve the > > > > presentation according to suggestions. > > > > > > > > Four individual case studies of Death are Click_Here > > > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Prediction+ of+Death> . > > > > > > > > One individual case study of Brain Damage is Click_Here > > > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Brain+Damage> . > > > > > > > > One case study of Aircraft Crash is Click_Here > > > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Aircraft+ Crash+AF447> , > > which > > > is > > > > a summary of 18 detailed mundane charts. > > > > > > > > In addition to these 26 case studies, I will try to put more. > > > > > > > > -Vinay Jha > > > > ============ ======= ===== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 Well known astrological devices such as Panch-shalaakaa and sapta-shalaakaa chakras have been taken from Yaamala Tantras, and so is the case with sapta-naadi chakra, Sarvatobhadra chakra, etc. Vedic marriage is fixed according to Panch-shalaakaa chakra, which is a Tantric device (=Vedic Tantra, do not confuse it with Aasuri Tantra of Raakshasas). -VJ ================= ====== ________________________________ Gautam.Rampal <gautam.rampal Wednesday, June 3, 2009 4:06:00 PM Re: Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion VJ, You have not still answered my question, i have downloaded the software that you are distributing freely. On the start screen it says " based on vedic and tantric principles " what does " trantic principles " mean can you elaborate it please ?. Its ok if you are not willing to share the princples with public. Regards, Gautam On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote: > > > To All, > > I was pressed to present Case Studies. Now what is the problem in > discussing and proving Suryasiddhanta to be wrong, which proves accurate in > 100% cases in all these case studies ? I have consistently followed BPHS and > Suryasiddhanta. Please find fault in my approach. It is a request to civil > members, and a challenge to abusers of Suryasiddhanta. > > I have given links of official rainfall data. Anyone can check my method. > It is not only a case of mundane astrology, because I used BPHS rules of > individual horoscopy to interpret the solar transit charts. 100% accuracy of > Suryasiddhanta also means that BPHS is also 100% accurate (esp its basics, > excluding some dubious portions which may be interpolations, which have no > relevance in my case studies). > > I will present individual case studies also, for which I am searching for > reliable data which could not be challenged as my manipulations. 100% > impartiality and 100% scientific approach towards astrology proves > Suryasiddhanta and BPHS to be 100% correct. It does not mean other > approaches are wrong, because Suryasiddhanta in Ganita and BPHS in phalita > are only surviving apaurusheya or Rishi-made texts which treat astrology > comprehensively (Jaimini Sutra is incomplete : only two chapters are extant, > while 98 chapters of BPHS have survived out of original 100. All other > approaches are later developments which owe their correctness to > Suryasiddhanta and BPHS, and related texts. No single text contains complete > Suryasiddhanta or complete BPHS. Much has been lost during millenia of > transmission, and their are interpolations too. Other texts help us in > reconstruction of Vedic-puranic tradition of Jyotisha whose mainstay is > Suryasiddhanta in Ganita and BPHS in > phalita. > > -Vinay Jha. > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > vattem krishnan <bursar_99 <bursar_99%40. com>> > > <% 40. com> > Wednesday, June 3, 2009 1:44:05 PM > Re: Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > Dear Vinay Ji,Arjun Ji and all senior members, > Surya Siddhanta being a classical approach we have no doubts in it's > reliability or being made as a base for several Almanacs in the country. > The laudable effort of Shri Vinayaji lies in making it's application > internet savy and also considers munadane applications as it's obejectivity > guiding the all human beings in the welfare of the state. > I know individual chart have their own inconsistencies in what ever way we > derive through physical movements of planets as is being done or otherwise. > Now Ayanamsa that comes to fore basically on account physical movement of > planets can not be neagated till some more as we get access to case charts > and study difference between two obvious approaches.Fortunat ely we have > Mercury at last turning direct that helps every one of us in saving our time > as issues are likely to be less misunderstood or no effort to think only > interms of read between lines. > case studies are always of immense value as it provides an opportunity to > understand in great details. > Astrologer,after all need data and it's dissemination interms of planetary > results.We alway find people rushing to Astrologers but interpretation given > were always interrogated in terms of consistency. This is where our mutaul > perspectives and understanding of the basic principles of jyotish will help > us > vrkrishnan > > --- On Tue, 6/2/09, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > wrote: > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > > Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 9:35 PM > > > dear vinayji > > firstly i appreciate your approach to the audience by furnishing them with > case studies. your seeking shortcomings and suggestions for improvement is > the positive spirit of a researcher. > > since i learnt astrology in north india and studied most texts only in > hindi and sanskrit, let me also inform the audience that surya siddhanta is > the base for almost all panchangas in the cow belt including the government > of india published one. this makes surya siddhanta as an accepted base of > astronomy and we find its references as bases in MANY government of india > websites and scientific organisations that gauge astronomy and are involved > into panchanga. > > if i read the initial reaction mails to yours earlier, the audience felt > the base of your software viz. surya siddhanta as something cooked in your > kitchen or picked from some remote corner not familiar and accepted > elsewhere. am aware that most kashi pandits (astrologers) and BHU uses this > surya siddhanta. if other softwares base on something else in other > geographies, it is fine but they shall not find surya siddhanta as alien and > unacceptable. > > the modern audience with vast resources of internt available at fingertips, > would be convinced not by telling from our mouth but by furnishing them the > accepted published references, substantiations and corroborations. > accordingly, you are requested to publish the names of all government of > india organisations and publications that clearly mention surya siddhanta as > their base for astronomy and also for panchanga forecast so that natives > find it easier to get convinced about the acceptance of the surya siddhanta > in the first place. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraksahremedy .com > > , " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > > To All : > > > > 20 Case Studies have been placed at Click_Here > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Annual+Rains+ -2+%3A+Worst+ > Years> > > . Ten best and ten worst years in the recorded history of Indian > > Monsoons have been astrologically analyzed according to easiest and > > basic rules of individual horodcopy, esp of Parashara (BPHS). Comparison > > of Suryasiddhantic and modern astronomical charts have been carried out. > > > > Please point out the shortcomings. I will try to improve the > > presentation according to suggestions. > > > > Four individual case studies of Death are Click_Here > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Prediction+ of+Death> . > > > > One individual case study of Brain Damage is Click_Here > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Brain+Damage> . > > > > One case study of Aircraft Crash is Click_Here > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Aircraft+ Crash+AF447> , which > is > > a summary of 18 detailed mundane charts. > > > > In addition to these 26 case studies, I will try to put more. > > > > -Vinay Jha > > ============ ======= ===== > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 Your question has been answered, but you are too much in a hurry to read them ; read the previous posts. I have plenty of time to discuss, but you are destroying this thread which is titled " CASE STUDIES for discussion " . You have not spoken a word about these case studies. Do you not feel that you should post your messages under another title ? The original message of 26 case studies has been buried under irrelevant posts. Now, no one will be able to find my original post about 26 case studies. Start a new thread and discuss what you want to discuss, and do not destroy this thread. One thread is reserved for one topic. Why you want to discuss everything in a single thread? " if you are not willing to share the princples with public. " Do not make vague charges against me. What I am hiding ? Am I a thief to steal some " principles " which I do not want to share with the public ? -VJ ==================== === ________________________________ Gautam.Rampal <gautam.rampal Wednesday, June 3, 2009 4:06:00 PM Re: Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion VJ, You have not still answered my question, i have downloaded the software that you are distributing freely. On the start screen it says " based on vedic and tantric principles " what does " trantic principles " mean can you elaborate it please ?. Its ok if you are not willing to share the princples with public. Regards, Gautam On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote: > > > To All, > > I was pressed to present Case Studies. Now what is the problem in > discussing and proving Suryasiddhanta to be wrong, which proves accurate in > 100% cases in all these case studies ? I have consistently followed BPHS and > Suryasiddhanta. Please find fault in my approach. It is a request to civil > members, and a challenge to abusers of Suryasiddhanta. > > I have given links of official rainfall data. Anyone can check my method. > It is not only a case of mundane astrology, because I used BPHS rules of > individual horoscopy to interpret the solar transit charts. 100% accuracy of > Suryasiddhanta also means that BPHS is also 100% accurate (esp its basics, > excluding some dubious portions which may be interpolations, which have no > relevance in my case studies). > > I will present individual case studies also, for which I am searching for > reliable data which could not be challenged as my manipulations. 100% > impartiality and 100% scientific approach towards astrology proves > Suryasiddhanta and BPHS to be 100% correct. It does not mean other > approaches are wrong, because Suryasiddhanta in Ganita and BPHS in phalita > are only surviving apaurusheya or Rishi-made texts which treat astrology > comprehensively (Jaimini Sutra is incomplete : only two chapters are extant, > while 98 chapters of BPHS have survived out of original 100. All other > approaches are later developments which owe their correctness to > Suryasiddhanta and BPHS, and related texts. No single text contains complete > Suryasiddhanta or complete BPHS. Much has been lost during millenia of > transmission, and their are interpolations too. Other texts help us in > reconstruction of Vedic-puranic tradition of Jyotisha whose mainstay is > Suryasiddhanta in Ganita and BPHS in > phalita. > > -Vinay Jha. > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > vattem krishnan <bursar_99 <bursar_99%40. com>> > > <% 40. com> > Wednesday, June 3, 2009 1:44:05 PM > Re: Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > Dear Vinay Ji,Arjun Ji and all senior members, > Surya Siddhanta being a classical approach we have no doubts in it's > reliability or being made as a base for several Almanacs in the country. > The laudable effort of Shri Vinayaji lies in making it's application > internet savy and also considers munadane applications as it's obejectivity > guiding the all human beings in the welfare of the state. > I know individual chart have their own inconsistencies in what ever way we > derive through physical movements of planets as is being done or otherwise. > Now Ayanamsa that comes to fore basically on account physical movement of > planets can not be neagated till some more as we get access to case charts > and study difference between two obvious approaches.Fortunat ely we have > Mercury at last turning direct that helps every one of us in saving our time > as issues are likely to be less misunderstood or no effort to think only > interms of read between lines. > case studies are always of immense value as it provides an opportunity to > understand in great details. > Astrologer,after all need data and it's dissemination interms of planetary > results.We alway find people rushing to Astrologers but interpretation given > were always interrogated in terms of consistency. This is where our mutaul > perspectives and understanding of the basic principles of jyotish will help > us > vrkrishnan > > --- On Tue, 6/2/09, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > wrote: > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > > Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 9:35 PM > > > dear vinayji > > firstly i appreciate your approach to the audience by furnishing them with > case studies. your seeking shortcomings and suggestions for improvement is > the positive spirit of a researcher. > > since i learnt astrology in north india and studied most texts only in > hindi and sanskrit, let me also inform the audience that surya siddhanta is > the base for almost all panchangas in the cow belt including the government > of india published one. this makes surya siddhanta as an accepted base of > astronomy and we find its references as bases in MANY government of india > websites and scientific organisations that gauge astronomy and are involved > into panchanga. > > if i read the initial reaction mails to yours earlier, the audience felt > the base of your software viz. surya siddhanta as something cooked in your > kitchen or picked from some remote corner not familiar and accepted > elsewhere. am aware that most kashi pandits (astrologers) and BHU uses this > surya siddhanta. if other softwares base on something else in other > geographies, it is fine but they shall not find surya siddhanta as alien and > unacceptable. > > the modern audience with vast resources of internt available at fingertips, > would be convinced not by telling from our mouth but by furnishing them the > accepted published references, substantiations and corroborations. > accordingly, you are requested to publish the names of all government of > india organisations and publications that clearly mention surya siddhanta as > their base for astronomy and also for panchanga forecast so that natives > find it easier to get convinced about the acceptance of the surya siddhanta > in the first place. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraksahremedy .com > > , " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > > To All : > > > > 20 Case Studies have been placed at Click_Here > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Annual+Rains+ -2+%3A+Worst+ > Years> > > . Ten best and ten worst years in the recorded history of Indian > > Monsoons have been astrologically analyzed according to easiest and > > basic rules of individual horodcopy, esp of Parashara (BPHS). Comparison > > of Suryasiddhantic and modern astronomical charts have been carried out. > > > > Please point out the shortcomings. I will try to improve the > > presentation according to suggestions. > > > > Four individual case studies of Death are Click_Here > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Prediction+ of+Death> . > > > > One individual case study of Brain Damage is Click_Here > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Brain+Damage> . > > > > One case study of Aircraft Crash is Click_Here > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Aircraft+ Crash+AF447> , which > is > > a summary of 18 detailed mundane charts. > > > > In addition to these 26 case studies, I will try to put more. > > > > -Vinay Jha > > ============ ======= ===== > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 <<< " I will read the case study again " >>> What is the meaning of " again " ?? Have you read it ? Then why you did not see that a comparison of Suryasiddhantic and Physical astronomy was made in all case studies ? If this comparative method is not " scientific " then tell me how this issue should be decided. I welcome all impartial suggestions. And please remember one thing : internet communication often leads to misunderstanding. Try always to get the positive meanings of messages. -VJ ________________________________ Gautam.Rampal <gautam.rampal Wednesday, June 3, 2009 4:11:45 PM Re: Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion Ok, I will read the case study again. On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 4:08 PM, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote: > > > For third time I say that the answer to your question lies in the Case > Studies ( " the proof is before you " ) which you do not want to discuss ! You > want answer in a nutshell, without discussing the practical proofs I > presented in these case studies. Only a comparison of many charts made from > alternative methods can prove which method is suitable for astrology, but > you want to solve the issue not by practical tests which has been presented > in 26 case studies. Practical test is the criterion in scientific method. > How you want to solve the issue, if not through practical test ? If you do > not want to examine these case studies, please do not spoil this thread and > let others read and discuss these cases, and put your question in a new > thread where I will try to answer you. The only proof of a method is its > result which you do not want to see and yet want me to answer your question > !!! Do not try to misinterpret my words and do not take my remarks > personally. Cool down and think for a while what I say for the fourth time > : " the answer to your question lies in the Case Studies " which you ignore > perhaps for want of time. If you are really serious in your question, you > will need to spend days and months in finding the answer. But if you want an > answer in a nutshell, here is it : > > > <<< " Can you please explain why physical astronomy is not suitable for > predictions. " >>> > > Physical astronomy studies physical properties of (material) physical > bodies, which are inanimate things and cannot determine destinies of living > creatures. Only divine entities can determine human destinies, which are > outside the scope of physical sciences. If you want fuller " explanation " as > your question suggests, you MUST read the case studies patiently; there is > no shortcut. > > -VJ > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Gautam.Rampal <gautam.rampal@ gmail.com <gautam.rampal% 40gmail.com> > > <% 40. com> > Wednesday, June 3, 2009 3:39:38 PM > Re: Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > VJ, > > you have mistaken my question, you would have simply answered my question, > perhaps iam willing to understand the case studies. > Dont you think that you can asnwer my question in more descriptive manner. > > Gautam > > On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote: > > > > > > > I wasted 200 hours for presenting these studies due to insistence of some > > members. I knew most of internet astrologers will not be interested even > in > > reading such " outdated " approaches. When the proof is before you, Gautam > Ji, > > do you want me to bring Lord Surya in forums to show more direct > > proofs? Can you not spend 200 seconds to see the answer of your question > in > > these case studies which taxed me 200 hours (excluding the years lost in > > making mundane softwares) ? If anyone can prove that physical astronomy > can > > explain past data of rainfall consistently, I will renounce > Suryasiddhanta. > > > > -VJ > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Gautam.Rampal <gautam.rampal@ gmail.com <gautam.rampal% > 40gmail.com> > > > > > <% 40. > com> > > Wednesday, June 3, 2009 1:21:58 PM > > Re: Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > > > > > Dear VJ, > > > > Can you please explain why physical astronomy is not suitable for > > predictions. > > > > Regards, > > Gautam > > > > On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Arjun Ji, > > > > > > Various departments and institutions under Govt of India or supported > by > > it > > > publish both Drikpakshiya (based on physical astronomy) as well as > > > Suryasiddhantic panchangas. For instance, the HRD Ministry of Govt of > > Bihar > > > publishes Suryasiddhantic panchanga. Banaras Hindu University has been > > > publishing Suryasiddhantic panchanga for over a century. KSD Sanskrit > > > University is publishing its panchanga from Makaranda Tables which were > > made > > > from Suryasiddhanta in 1478 AD. The most popular group of panchangas of > > > India, Hrikesha Panchangas of Varanasi, use Suryasiddhantic Makaranda > > Tables > > > for upper tables and Graha Laaghava for lower tables ; Graha Laaghava > is > > a > > > crude mediaeval text based on Suryasiddhanta and some other ancient > texts > > > which were directly or indirectly based upon Suryasiddhanta ultimately. > > > Almost all traditional panchangas of the cow belt are based on > > > Suryasiddhanta either directly or indirectly (i.e., on texts which were > > > derived from > > > Suryasiddhanta in some way or another). All traditional panchangas of > > > Bengal are made from Siddhanta Darpana which is a mediaeval text based > on > > > Suryasiddhanta. A pandit from Sringeri Math in Karnataka told me that > > many > > > south Indian panchangas are also based on Suryasiddhanta, but I do not > > know > > > the names of those panchangas. > > > > > > Some internet users are deliberately trying to create an impression > that > > I > > > am the only person to use Suryasiddhantic method. The fact is that > > > Suryasiddhantic method is mostly used by traditional astrologers and > > these > > > pandits are not deft in using computers and internet. Virtual absence > of > > > traditional siddhantic astrology from internet does not mean that > > > traditional siddhantic astrology has died out. I am the first person to > > > convert Suryasiddhantic method into the form of softwares. Some > > undemocratic > > > persons want to banish Suryasiddhantic method from internet. They > forget > > > that Suryasiddhanta is the only surviving apaurusheya text which even > > Varaha > > > Mihira lauded as the best and also said it was the siddhanta of Lord > > Savitaa > > > (Surya).It is amusing to note that many " disciples " of Varaha Mihira > are > > > opposing Suryasiddhanta on internet ! They want to " modernize " > Jyotisha, > > but > > > do not know that BPHS and a lot of other classics can work 100% > > accurately > > > ONLY with > > > Suryasiddhanta. > > > > > > The Case Studies I put forth irrefutably prove that Suryasiddhanticmeth > > od > > > is 100% perfect in all cases, while physical astronomy is unsuitable > for > > > predictive astrology. It took me about 200 hours to write down these 20 > > Case > > > Studies (because I had to translate the mundane software into English > > too). > > > I request astrologers to spend some time seriously over these case > > studies, > > > and try to refute my analyses in a scientific and cordial manner, > instead > > of > > > abusing and attacking as a few persons were doing in some fora. > > > > > > In another forum, three astrologers " laughed " at me for presenting > > > post-mortem case study instead of " predicting " the AF447 crash. They do > > not > > > recognize that no individual astrologer can keep track > > > of all flights and make predictions : it is beyond the power of an > > > individual. Scientists work in team spirit, while astrologers " laugh " > at > > > each other ! They also do not recognize that postmortem, ie, case > study, > > is > > > the only way to analyze, learn, compare, discuss, etc, without which no > > > branch of knowledge can advance an inch. > > > > > > -Vinay Jha > > > ============ ===== ==== > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ <panditarj un2004% > > 40> > > > > > > > <% > 40. > > com> > > > > > Wednesday, June 3, 2009 7:05:35 AM > > > Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > > > > > > > > dear vinayji > > > > > > firstly i appreciate your approach to the audience by furnishing them > > with > > > case studies. your seeking shortcomings and suggestions for improvement > > is > > > the positive spirit of a researcher. > > > > > > since i learnt astrology in north india and studied most texts only in > > > hindi and sanskrit, let me also inform the audience that surya > siddhanta > > is > > > the base for almost all panchangas in the cow belt including the > > government > > > of india published one. this makes surya siddhanta as an accepted base > of > > > astronomy and we find its references as bases in MANY government of > india > > > websites and scientific organisations that gauge astronomy and are > > involved > > > into panchanga. > > > > > > if i read the initial reaction mails to yours earlier, the audience > felt > > > the base of your software viz. surya siddhanta as something cooked in > > your > > > kitchen or picked from some remote corner not familiar and accepted > > > elsewhere. am aware that most kashi pandits (astrologers) and BHU uses > > this > > > surya siddhanta. if other softwares base on something else in other > > > geographies, it is fine but they shall not find surya siddhanta as > alien > > and > > > unacceptable. > > > > > > the modern audience with vast resources of internt available at > > fingertips, > > > would be convinced not by telling from our mouth but by furnishing them > > the > > > accepted published references, substantiations and corroborations. > > > accordingly, you are requested to publish the names of all government > of > > > india organisations and publications that clearly mention surya > siddhanta > > as > > > their base for astronomy and also for panchanga forecast so that > natives > > > find it easier to get convinced about the acceptance of the surya > > siddhanta > > > in the first place. > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > pandit arjun > > > www.rudraksahremedy .com > > > > > > , " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > To All : > > > > > > > > 20 Case Studies have been placed at Click_Here > > > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Annual+Rains+ -2+%3A+Worst+ > > > Years> > > > > . Ten best and ten worst years in the recorded history of Indian > > > > Monsoons have been astrologically analyzed according to easiest and > > > > basic rules of individual horodcopy, esp of Parashara (BPHS). > > Comparison > > > > of Suryasiddhantic and modern astronomical charts have been carried > > out. > > > > > > > > Please point out the shortcomings. I will try to improve the > > > > presentation according to suggestions. > > > > > > > > Four individual case studies of Death are Click_Here > > > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Prediction+ of+Death> . > > > > > > > > One individual case study of Brain Damage is Click_Here > > > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Brain+Damage> . > > > > > > > > One case study of Aircraft Crash is Click_Here > > > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Aircraft+ Crash+AF447> , > > which > > > is > > > > a summary of 18 detailed mundane charts. > > > > > > > > In addition to these 26 case studies, I will try to put more. > > > > > > > > -Vinay Jha > > > > ============ ======= ===== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 Dear Sir, After exhaustive study of BPHS by you,you say that excepting for basics,(there are some interpolations(transalted versions?) found to be dubious. Your approach for surya siddhantic principles and the software innovated are all good but case study is only for purpose for individual enlightenment and no coercion at all.In any case mundane issues always help us for our basic understanding of software and to test the fficacy of system. vrkrishnan --- On Wed, 6/3/09, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 wrote: Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 Re: Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 6:19 AM To All, I was pressed to present Case Studies. Now what is the problem in discussing and proving Suryasiddhanta to be wrong, which proves accurate in 100% cases in all these case studies ? I have consistently followed BPHS and Suryasiddhanta. Please find fault in my approach. It is a request to civil members, and a challenge to abusers of Suryasiddhanta. I have given links of official rainfall data. Anyone can check my method. It is not only a case of mundane astrology, because I used BPHS rules of individual horoscopy to interpret the solar transit charts. 100% accuracy of Suryasiddhanta also means that BPHS is also 100% accurate (esp its basics, excluding some dubious portions which may be interpolations, which have no relevance in my case studies). I will present individual case studies also, for which I am searching for reliable data which could not be challenged as my manipulations. 100% impartiality and 100% scientific approach towards astrology proves Suryasiddhanta and BPHS to be 100% correct. It does not mean other approaches are wrong, because Suryasiddhanta in Ganita and BPHS in phalita are only surviving apaurusheya or Rishi-made texts which treat astrology comprehensively (Jaimini Sutra is incomplete : only two chapters are extant, while 98 chapters of BPHS have survived out of original 100. All other approaches are later developments which owe their correctness to Suryasiddhanta and BPHS, and related texts. No single text contains complete Suryasiddhanta or complete BPHS. Much has been lost during millenia of transmission, and their are interpolations too. Other texts help us in reconstruction of Vedic-puranic tradition of Jyotisha whose mainstay is Suryasiddhanta in Ganita and BPHS in phalita. -Vinay Jha. ____________ _________ _________ __ vattem krishnan <bursar_99 > Wednesday, June 3, 2009 1:44:05 PM Re: Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion Dear Vinay Ji,Arjun Ji and all senior members, Surya Siddhanta being a classical approach we have no doubts in it's reliability or being made as a base for several Almanacs in the country. The laudable effort of Shri Vinayaji lies in making it's application internet savy and also considers munadane applications as it's obejectivity guiding the all human beings in the welfare of the state. I know individual chart have their own inconsistencies in what ever way we derive through physical movements of planets as is being done or otherwise. Now Ayanamsa that comes to fore basically on account physical movement of planets can not be neagated till some more as we get access to case charts and study difference between two obvious approaches.Fortunat ely we have Mercury at last turning direct that helps every one of us in saving our time as issues are likely to be less misunderstood or no effort to think only interms of read between lines. case studies are always of immense value as it provides an opportunity to understand in great details. Astrologer,after all need data and it's dissemination interms of planetary results.We alway find people rushing to Astrologers but interpretation given were always interrogated in terms of consistency. This is where our mutaul perspectives and understanding of the basic principles of jyotish will help us vrkrishnan --- On Tue, 6/2/09, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > wrote: panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 9:35 PM dear vinayji firstly i appreciate your approach to the audience by furnishing them with case studies. your seeking shortcomings and suggestions for improvement is the positive spirit of a researcher. since i learnt astrology in north india and studied most texts only in hindi and sanskrit, let me also inform the audience that surya siddhanta is the base for almost all panchangas in the cow belt including the government of india published one. this makes surya siddhanta as an accepted base of astronomy and we find its references as bases in MANY government of india websites and scientific organisations that gauge astronomy and are involved into panchanga. if i read the initial reaction mails to yours earlier, the audience felt the base of your software viz. surya siddhanta as something cooked in your kitchen or picked from some remote corner not familiar and accepted elsewhere. am aware that most kashi pandits (astrologers) and BHU uses this surya siddhanta. if other softwares base on something else in other geographies, it is fine but they shall not find surya siddhanta as alien and unacceptable. the modern audience with vast resources of internt available at fingertips, would be convinced not by telling from our mouth but by furnishing them the accepted published references, substantiations and corroborations. accordingly, you are requested to publish the names of all government of india organisations and publications that clearly mention surya siddhanta as their base for astronomy and also for panchanga forecast so that natives find it easier to get convinced about the acceptance of the surya siddhanta in the first place. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksahremedy .com , " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > To All : > > 20 Case Studies have been placed at Click_Here > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Annual+Rains+ -2+%3A+Worst+ Years> > . Ten best and ten worst years in the recorded history of Indian > Monsoons have been astrologically analyzed according to easiest and > basic rules of individual horodcopy, esp of Parashara (BPHS). Comparison > of Suryasiddhantic and modern astronomical charts have been carried out. > > Please point out the shortcomings. I will try to improve the > presentation according to suggestions. > > Four individual case studies of Death are Click_Here > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Prediction+ of+Death> . > > One individual case study of Brain Damage is Click_Here > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Brain+Damage> . > > One case study of Aircraft Crash is Click_Here > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Aircraft+ Crash+AF447> , which is > a summary of 18 detailed mundane charts. > > In addition to these 26 case studies, I will try to put more. > > -Vinay Jha > ============ ======= ===== > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 Dear Krishnan Dada, There is a saying amongst zoologists that states: Ontogeny follows Phyllogeny! The individual, generally speaking, it seems must grow within the bounds of his or her 'kind'. Religions also interpret their role in our reality using a similar adage or basic principle but not exactly in so many words. Schools of all kinds, some ethnocentric others wider too! In a sense this opening saying in this post describes cultures, I think! ALL cultures! But the observant zoologist (One who is extremely interested in observing the animals (ALL ANIMALS) in the ZOO) also remains alert because he/she has also learned about and observed something known as mutation! It is questionable if it is ultimately random and happenstance or in some ways it is how MOTHER NATURE steps in and reminds us all who is the boss! Science can only take one in a certain direction, but astrology is yet another perspective to create the cross-hairs that hone in on the target! RR , vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > Dear Sir, > After exhaustive study of BPHS by you,you say that excepting for basics,(there are some interpolations(transalted versions?) found to be dubious. > Your approach for surya siddhantic principles and the software innovated are all good but case study is only for purpose for individual enlightenment and no coercion at all.In any case mundane issues always help us for our basic understanding of software and to test the fficacy of system. > vrkrishnan > > --- On Wed, 6/3/09, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > > Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 > Re: Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 6:19 AM > > To All, > > I was pressed to present Case Studies. Now what is the problem in discussing and proving Suryasiddhanta to be wrong, which proves accurate in 100% cases in all these case studies ? I have consistently followed BPHS and Suryasiddhanta. Please find fault in my approach. It is a request to civil members, and a challenge to abusers of Suryasiddhanta. > > I have given links of official rainfall data. Anyone can check my method. It is not only a case of mundane astrology, because I used BPHS rules of individual horoscopy to interpret the solar transit charts. 100% accuracy of Suryasiddhanta also means that BPHS is also 100% accurate (esp its basics, excluding some dubious portions which may be interpolations, which have no relevance in my case studies). > > I will present individual case studies also, for which I am searching for reliable data which could not be challenged as my manipulations. 100% impartiality and 100% scientific approach towards astrology proves Suryasiddhanta and BPHS to be 100% correct. It does not mean other approaches are wrong, because Suryasiddhanta in Ganita and BPHS in phalita are only surviving apaurusheya or Rishi-made texts which treat astrology comprehensively (Jaimini Sutra is incomplete : only two chapters are extant, while 98 chapters of BPHS have survived out of original 100. All other approaches are later developments which owe their correctness to Suryasiddhanta and BPHS, and related texts. No single text contains complete Suryasiddhanta or complete BPHS. Much has been lost during millenia of transmission, and their are interpolations too. Other texts help us in reconstruction of Vedic-puranic tradition of Jyotisha whose mainstay is Suryasiddhanta in Ganita and BPHS in > phalita. > > -Vinay Jha. > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > vattem krishnan <bursar_99 > > > Wednesday, June 3, 2009 1:44:05 PM > Re: Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > Dear Vinay Ji,Arjun Ji and all senior members, > Surya Siddhanta being a classical approach we have no doubts in it's reliability or being made as a base for several Almanacs in the country. > The laudable effort of Shri Vinayaji lies in making it's application internet savy and also considers munadane applications as it's obejectivity guiding the all human beings in the welfare of the state. > I know individual chart have their own inconsistencies in what ever way we derive through physical movements of planets as is being done or otherwise. > Now Ayanamsa that comes to fore basically on account physical movement of planets can not be neagated till some more as we get access to case charts and study difference between two obvious approaches.Fortunat ely we have Mercury at last turning direct that helps every one of us in saving our time as issues are likely to be less misunderstood or no effort to think only interms of read between lines. > case studies are always of immense value as it provides an opportunity to understand in great details. > Astrologer,after all need data and it's dissemination interms of planetary results.We alway find people rushing to Astrologers but interpretation given were always interrogated in terms of consistency. This is where our mutaul perspectives and understanding of the basic principles of jyotish will help us > vrkrishnan > > --- On Tue, 6/2/09, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > wrote: > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > > Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 9:35 PM > > dear vinayji > > firstly i appreciate your approach to the audience by furnishing them with case studies. your seeking shortcomings and suggestions for improvement is the positive spirit of a researcher. > > since i learnt astrology in north india and studied most texts only in hindi and sanskrit, let me also inform the audience that surya siddhanta is the base for almost all panchangas in the cow belt including the government of india published one. this makes surya siddhanta as an accepted base of astronomy and we find its references as bases in MANY government of india websites and scientific organisations that gauge astronomy and are involved into panchanga. > > if i read the initial reaction mails to yours earlier, the audience felt the base of your software viz. surya siddhanta as something cooked in your kitchen or picked from some remote corner not familiar and accepted elsewhere. am aware that most kashi pandits (astrologers) and BHU uses this surya siddhanta. if other softwares base on something else in other geographies, it is fine but they shall not find surya siddhanta as alien and unacceptable. > > the modern audience with vast resources of internt available at fingertips, would be convinced not by telling from our mouth but by furnishing them the accepted published references, substantiations and corroborations. accordingly, you are requested to publish the names of all government of india organisations and publications that clearly mention surya siddhanta as their base for astronomy and also for panchanga forecast so that natives find it easier to get convinced about the acceptance of the surya siddhanta in the first place. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraksahremedy .com > > , " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > > To All : > > > > 20 Case Studies have been placed at Click_Here > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Annual+Rains+ -2+%3A+Worst+ Years> > > . Ten best and ten worst years in the recorded history of Indian > > Monsoons have been astrologically analyzed according to easiest and > > basic rules of individual horodcopy, esp of Parashara (BPHS). Comparison > > of Suryasiddhantic and modern astronomical charts have been carried out. > > > > Please point out the shortcomings. I will try to improve the > > presentation according to suggestions. > > > > Four individual case studies of Death are Click_Here > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Prediction+ of+Death> . > > > > One individual case study of Brain Damage is Click_Here > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Brain+Damage> . > > > > One case study of Aircraft Crash is Click_Here > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Aircraft+ Crash+AF447> , which is > > a summary of 18 detailed mundane charts. > > > > In addition to these 26 case studies, I will try to put more. > > > > -Vinay Jha > > ============ ======= ===== > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 Sir, No software developer is pressurized for presenting comparative case studies which took me 200 hours, and then if I ask them to discuss it, it is unfair to say : " case study is only for purpose for individual enlightenment and no coercion at all " . I am not pressurizing anyone, my point is for those who demanded case studies but are now ignoring to discuss. Only one person has read the case studies so far, and he discusses in private mails, perhaps rightly because many (not all) members in open fora often do not like what they are not habituated to and disrupt or divert discussions. -VJ ====================== ==== ________________________________ vattem krishnan <bursar_99 Sunday, June 7, 2009 8:02:49 AM Re: Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion Dear Sir, After exhaustive study of BPHS by you,you say that excepting for basics,(there are some interpolations( transalted versions?) found to be dubious. Your approach for surya siddhantic principles and the software innovated are all good but case study is only for purpose for individual enlightenment and no coercion at all.In any case mundane issues always help us for our basic understanding of software and to test the fficacy of system. vrkrishnan --- On Wed, 6/3/09, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote: Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > Re: Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 6:19 AM To All, I was pressed to present Case Studies. Now what is the problem in discussing and proving Suryasiddhanta to be wrong, which proves accurate in 100% cases in all these case studies ? I have consistently followed BPHS and Suryasiddhanta. Please find fault in my approach. It is a request to civil members, and a challenge to abusers of Suryasiddhanta. I have given links of official rainfall data. Anyone can check my method. It is not only a case of mundane astrology, because I used BPHS rules of individual horoscopy to interpret the solar transit charts. 100% accuracy of Suryasiddhanta also means that BPHS is also 100% accurate (esp its basics, excluding some dubious portions which may be interpolations, which have no relevance in my case studies). I will present individual case studies also, for which I am searching for reliable data which could not be challenged as my manipulations. 100% impartiality and 100% scientific approach towards astrology proves Suryasiddhanta and BPHS to be 100% correct. It does not mean other approaches are wrong, because Suryasiddhanta in Ganita and BPHS in phalita are only surviving apaurusheya or Rishi-made texts which treat astrology comprehensively (Jaimini Sutra is incomplete : only two chapters are extant, while 98 chapters of BPHS have survived out of original 100. All other approaches are later developments which owe their correctness to Suryasiddhanta and BPHS, and related texts. No single text contains complete Suryasiddhanta or complete BPHS. Much has been lost during millenia of transmission, and their are interpolations too. Other texts help us in reconstruction of Vedic-puranic tradition of Jyotisha whose mainstay is Suryasiddhanta in Ganita and BPHS in phalita. -Vinay Jha. ____________ _________ _________ __ vattem krishnan <bursar_99 > Wednesday, June 3, 2009 1:44:05 PM Re: Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion Dear Vinay Ji,Arjun Ji and all senior members, Surya Siddhanta being a classical approach we have no doubts in it's reliability or being made as a base for several Almanacs in the country. The laudable effort of Shri Vinayaji lies in making it's application internet savy and also considers munadane applications as it's obejectivity guiding the all human beings in the welfare of the state. I know individual chart have their own inconsistencies in what ever way we derive through physical movements of planets as is being done or otherwise. Now Ayanamsa that comes to fore basically on account physical movement of planets can not be neagated till some more as we get access to case charts and study difference between two obvious approaches.Fortunat ely we have Mercury at last turning direct that helps every one of us in saving our time as issues are likely to be less misunderstood or no effort to think only interms of read between lines. case studies are always of immense value as it provides an opportunity to understand in great details. Astrologer,after all need data and it's dissemination interms of planetary results.We alway find people rushing to Astrologers but interpretation given were always interrogated in terms of consistency. This is where our mutaul perspectives and understanding of the basic principles of jyotish will help us vrkrishnan --- On Tue, 6/2/09, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > wrote: panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 9:35 PM dear vinayji firstly i appreciate your approach to the audience by furnishing them with case studies. your seeking shortcomings and suggestions for improvement is the positive spirit of a researcher. since i learnt astrology in north india and studied most texts only in hindi and sanskrit, let me also inform the audience that surya siddhanta is the base for almost all panchangas in the cow belt including the government of india published one. this makes surya siddhanta as an accepted base of astronomy and we find its references as bases in MANY government of india websites and scientific organisations that gauge astronomy and are involved into panchanga. if i read the initial reaction mails to yours earlier, the audience felt the base of your software viz. surya siddhanta as something cooked in your kitchen or picked from some remote corner not familiar and accepted elsewhere. am aware that most kashi pandits (astrologers) and BHU uses this surya siddhanta. if other softwares base on something else in other geographies, it is fine but they shall not find surya siddhanta as alien and unacceptable. the modern audience with vast resources of internt available at fingertips, would be convinced not by telling from our mouth but by furnishing them the accepted published references, substantiations and corroborations. accordingly, you are requested to publish the names of all government of india organisations and publications that clearly mention surya siddhanta as their base for astronomy and also for panchanga forecast so that natives find it easier to get convinced about the acceptance of the surya siddhanta in the first place. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksahremedy .com , " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > To All : > > 20 Case Studies have been placed at Click_Here > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Annual+Rains+ -2+%3A+Worst+ Years> > . Ten best and ten worst years in the recorded history of Indian > Monsoons have been astrologically analyzed according to easiest and > basic rules of individual horodcopy, esp of Parashara (BPHS). Comparison > of Suryasiddhantic and modern astronomical charts have been carried out. > > Please point out the shortcomings. I will try to improve the > presentation according to suggestions. > > Four individual case studies of Death are Click_Here > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Prediction+ of+Death> . > > One individual case study of Brain Damage is Click_Here > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Brain+Damage> . > > One case study of Aircraft Crash is Click_Here > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Aircraft+ Crash+AF447> , which is > a summary of 18 detailed mundane charts. > > In addition to these 26 case studies, I will try to put more. > > -Vinay Jha > ============ ======= ===== > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 I think now zoologists should join this thread because astrologers are not interested in examining and discussing the detailed case studies I prepared. -VJ =================== ==== ________________________________ Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan Sunday, June 7, 2009 8:24:40 AM Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion Dear Krishnan Dada, There is a saying amongst zoologists that states: Ontogeny follows Phyllogeny! The individual, generally speaking, it seems must grow within the bounds of his or her 'kind'. Religions also interpret their role in our reality using a similar adage or basic principle but not exactly in so many words. Schools of all kinds, some ethnocentric others wider too! In a sense this opening saying in this post describes cultures, I think! ALL cultures! But the observant zoologist (One who is extremely interested in observing the animals (ALL ANIMALS) in the ZOO) also remains alert because he/she has also learned about and observed something known as mutation! It is questionable if it is ultimately random and happenstance or in some ways it is how MOTHER NATURE steps in and reminds us all who is the boss! Science can only take one in a certain direction, but astrology is yet another perspective to create the cross-hairs that hone in on the target! RR , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@. ..> wrote: > > Dear Sir, > After exhaustive study of BPHS by you,you say that excepting for basics,(there are some interpolations( transalted versions?) found to be dubious. > Your approach for surya siddhantic principles and the software innovated are all good but case study is only for purpose for individual enlightenment and no coercion at all.In any case mundane issues always help us for our basic understanding of software and to test the fficacy of system. > vrkrishnan > > --- On Wed, 6/3/09, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> > Re: Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 6:19 AM > > To All, > > I was pressed to present Case Studies. Now what is the problem in discussing and proving Suryasiddhanta to be wrong, which proves accurate in 100% cases in all these case studies ? I have consistently followed BPHS and Suryasiddhanta. Please find fault in my approach. It is a request to civil members, and a challenge to abusers of Suryasiddhanta. > > I have given links of official rainfall data. Anyone can check my method. It is not only a case of mundane astrology, because I used BPHS rules of individual horoscopy to interpret the solar transit charts. 100% accuracy of Suryasiddhanta also means that BPHS is also 100% accurate (esp its basics, excluding some dubious portions which may be interpolations, which have no relevance in my case studies). > > I will present individual case studies also, for which I am searching for reliable data which could not be challenged as my manipulations. 100% impartiality and 100% scientific approach towards astrology proves Suryasiddhanta and BPHS to be 100% correct. It does not mean other approaches are wrong, because Suryasiddhanta in Ganita and BPHS in phalita are only surviving apaurusheya or Rishi-made texts which treat astrology comprehensively (Jaimini Sutra is incomplete : only two chapters are extant, while 98 chapters of BPHS have survived out of original 100. All other approaches are later developments which owe their correctness to Suryasiddhanta and BPHS, and related texts. No single text contains complete Suryasiddhanta or complete BPHS. Much has been lost during millenia of transmission, and their are interpolations too. Other texts help us in reconstruction of Vedic-puranic tradition of Jyotisha whose mainstay is Suryasiddhanta in Ganita and BPHS in > phalita. > > -Vinay Jha. > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > vattem krishnan <bursar_99 > > > Wednesday, June 3, 2009 1:44:05 PM > Re: Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > Dear Vinay Ji,Arjun Ji and all senior members, > Surya Siddhanta being a classical approach we have no doubts in it's reliability or being made as a base for several Almanacs in the country. > The laudable effort of Shri Vinayaji lies in making it's application internet savy and also considers munadane applications as it's obejectivity guiding the all human beings in the welfare of the state. > I know individual chart have their own inconsistencies in what ever way we derive through physical movements of planets as is being done or otherwise. > Now Ayanamsa that comes to fore basically on account physical movement of planets can not be neagated till some more as we get access to case charts and study difference between two obvious approaches.Fortunat ely we have Mercury at last turning direct that helps every one of us in saving our time as issues are likely to be less misunderstood or no effort to think only interms of read between lines. > case studies are always of immense value as it provides an opportunity to understand in great details. > Astrologer,after all need data and it's dissemination interms of planetary results.We alway find people rushing to Astrologers but interpretation given were always interrogated in terms of consistency. This is where our mutaul perspectives and understanding of the basic principles of jyotish will help us > vrkrishnan > > --- On Tue, 6/2/09, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > wrote: > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > > Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 9:35 PM > > dear vinayji > > firstly i appreciate your approach to the audience by furnishing them with case studies. your seeking shortcomings and suggestions for improvement is the positive spirit of a researcher. > > since i learnt astrology in north india and studied most texts only in hindi and sanskrit, let me also inform the audience that surya siddhanta is the base for almost all panchangas in the cow belt including the government of india published one. this makes surya siddhanta as an accepted base of astronomy and we find its references as bases in MANY government of india websites and scientific organisations that gauge astronomy and are involved into panchanga. > > if i read the initial reaction mails to yours earlier, the audience felt the base of your software viz. surya siddhanta as something cooked in your kitchen or picked from some remote corner not familiar and accepted elsewhere. am aware that most kashi pandits (astrologers) and BHU uses this surya siddhanta. if other softwares base on something else in other geographies, it is fine but they shall not find surya siddhanta as alien and unacceptable. > > the modern audience with vast resources of internt available at fingertips, would be convinced not by telling from our mouth but by furnishing them the accepted published references, substantiations and corroborations. accordingly, you are requested to publish the names of all government of india organisations and publications that clearly mention surya siddhanta as their base for astronomy and also for panchanga forecast so that natives find it easier to get convinced about the acceptance of the surya siddhanta in the first place. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraksahremedy .com > > , " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > > To All : > > > > 20 Case Studies have been placed at Click_Here > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Annual+Rains+ -2+%3A+Worst+ Years> > > . Ten best and ten worst years in the recorded history of Indian > > Monsoons have been astrologically analyzed according to easiest and > > basic rules of individual horodcopy, esp of Parashara (BPHS). Comparison > > of Suryasiddhantic and modern astronomical charts have been carried out. > > > > Please point out the shortcomings. I will try to improve the > > presentation according to suggestions. > > > > Four individual case studies of Death are Click_Here > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Prediction+ of+Death> . > > > > One individual case study of Brain Damage is Click_Here > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Brain+Damage> . > > > > One case study of Aircraft Crash is Click_Here > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Aircraft+ Crash+AF447> , which is > > a summary of 18 detailed mundane charts. > > > > In addition to these 26 case studies, I will try to put more. > > > > -Vinay Jha > > ============ ======= ===== > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 The dubious/interpolated portions of BPHS are few and minor, and are not needed anywhere either in my softwhere or in case studies. -VJ ________________________________ vattem krishnan <bursar_99 Sunday, June 7, 2009 8:02:49 AM Re: Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion Dear Sir, After exhaustive study of BPHS by you,you say that excepting for basics,(there are some interpolations( transalted versions?) found to be dubious. Your approach for surya siddhantic principles and the software innovated are all good but case study is only for purpose for individual enlightenment and no coercion at all.In any case mundane issues always help us for our basic understanding of software and to test the fficacy of system. vrkrishnan --- On Wed, 6/3/09, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote: Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > Re: Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 6:19 AM To All, I was pressed to present Case Studies. Now what is the problem in discussing and proving Suryasiddhanta to be wrong, which proves accurate in 100% cases in all these case studies ? I have consistently followed BPHS and Suryasiddhanta. Please find fault in my approach. It is a request to civil members, and a challenge to abusers of Suryasiddhanta. I have given links of official rainfall data. Anyone can check my method. It is not only a case of mundane astrology, because I used BPHS rules of individual horoscopy to interpret the solar transit charts. 100% accuracy of Suryasiddhanta also means that BPHS is also 100% accurate (esp its basics, excluding some dubious portions which may be interpolations, which have no relevance in my case studies). I will present individual case studies also, for which I am searching for reliable data which could not be challenged as my manipulations. 100% impartiality and 100% scientific approach towards astrology proves Suryasiddhanta and BPHS to be 100% correct. It does not mean other approaches are wrong, because Suryasiddhanta in Ganita and BPHS in phalita are only surviving apaurusheya or Rishi-made texts which treat astrology comprehensively (Jaimini Sutra is incomplete : only two chapters are extant, while 98 chapters of BPHS have survived out of original 100. All other approaches are later developments which owe their correctness to Suryasiddhanta and BPHS, and related texts. No single text contains complete Suryasiddhanta or complete BPHS. Much has been lost during millenia of transmission, and their are interpolations too. Other texts help us in reconstruction of Vedic-puranic tradition of Jyotisha whose mainstay is Suryasiddhanta in Ganita and BPHS in phalita. -Vinay Jha. ____________ _________ _________ __ vattem krishnan <bursar_99 > Wednesday, June 3, 2009 1:44:05 PM Re: Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion Dear Vinay Ji,Arjun Ji and all senior members, Surya Siddhanta being a classical approach we have no doubts in it's reliability or being made as a base for several Almanacs in the country. The laudable effort of Shri Vinayaji lies in making it's application internet savy and also considers munadane applications as it's obejectivity guiding the all human beings in the welfare of the state. I know individual chart have their own inconsistencies in what ever way we derive through physical movements of planets as is being done or otherwise. Now Ayanamsa that comes to fore basically on account physical movement of planets can not be neagated till some more as we get access to case charts and study difference between two obvious approaches.Fortunat ely we have Mercury at last turning direct that helps every one of us in saving our time as issues are likely to be less misunderstood or no effort to think only interms of read between lines. case studies are always of immense value as it provides an opportunity to understand in great details. Astrologer,after all need data and it's dissemination interms of planetary results.We alway find people rushing to Astrologers but interpretation given were always interrogated in terms of consistency. This is where our mutaul perspectives and understanding of the basic principles of jyotish will help us vrkrishnan --- On Tue, 6/2/09, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > wrote: panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 9:35 PM dear vinayji firstly i appreciate your approach to the audience by furnishing them with case studies. your seeking shortcomings and suggestions for improvement is the positive spirit of a researcher. since i learnt astrology in north india and studied most texts only in hindi and sanskrit, let me also inform the audience that surya siddhanta is the base for almost all panchangas in the cow belt including the government of india published one. this makes surya siddhanta as an accepted base of astronomy and we find its references as bases in MANY government of india websites and scientific organisations that gauge astronomy and are involved into panchanga. if i read the initial reaction mails to yours earlier, the audience felt the base of your software viz. surya siddhanta as something cooked in your kitchen or picked from some remote corner not familiar and accepted elsewhere. am aware that most kashi pandits (astrologers) and BHU uses this surya siddhanta. if other softwares base on something else in other geographies, it is fine but they shall not find surya siddhanta as alien and unacceptable. the modern audience with vast resources of internt available at fingertips, would be convinced not by telling from our mouth but by furnishing them the accepted published references, substantiations and corroborations. accordingly, you are requested to publish the names of all government of india organisations and publications that clearly mention surya siddhanta as their base for astronomy and also for panchanga forecast so that natives find it easier to get convinced about the acceptance of the surya siddhanta in the first place. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksahremedy .com , " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > To All : > > 20 Case Studies have been placed at Click_Here > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Annual+Rains+ -2+%3A+Worst+ Years> > . Ten best and ten worst years in the recorded history of Indian > Monsoons have been astrologically analyzed according to easiest and > basic rules of individual horodcopy, esp of Parashara (BPHS). Comparison > of Suryasiddhantic and modern astronomical charts have been carried out. > > Please point out the shortcomings. I will try to improve the > presentation according to suggestions. > > Four individual case studies of Death are Click_Here > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Prediction+ of+Death> . > > One individual case study of Brain Damage is Click_Here > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Brain+Damage> . > > One case study of Aircraft Crash is Click_Here > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Aircraft+ Crash+AF447> , which is > a summary of 18 detailed mundane charts. > > In addition to these 26 case studies, I will try to put more. > > -Vinay Jha > ============ ======= ===== > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 Dear Vinay ji, Do you not get it, at all? No one sees you as a mere software developer! Here or elsewhere, even where you feel attacked and diminuited (is that a real word? It is now!) I do not for one. What one needs to gain trust, acceptance and LOVE -- that comes pretty readily in this astrological reality -- is to turn off the tracking cookies and other software gizmos that tell one how many visited a site or downloaded or whatever! And particularly when one confesses publicly that one knows all visitors! Something is just not right in that picture!! TRUST always begins at home and even for a hermit, that must be where he truly is! " Bhul Chook leni deni " , as I saw written on the back wall of those in the India where I grew up -- who impressed me with what service is really about! My apologies if I rubbed you the wrong way! Not intentional at all. You have called me 'Dada' privately and publicly! I must do my duty! Rohini-da , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > Sir, > > No software developer is pressurized for presenting comparative case studies which took me 200 hours, and then if I ask them to discuss it, it is unfair to say : " case study is only for purpose for individual enlightenment and no coercion at all " . > > I am not pressurizing anyone, my point is for those who demanded case studies but are now ignoring to discuss. > > Only one person has read the case studies so far, and he discusses in private mails, perhaps rightly because many (not all) members in open fora often do not like what they are not habituated to and disrupt or divert discussions. > > -VJ > > ====================== ==== > > > ________________________________ > vattem krishnan <bursar_99 > > Sunday, June 7, 2009 8:02:49 AM > Re: Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > > > > > Dear Sir, > After exhaustive study of BPHS by you,you say that excepting for basics,(there are some interpolations( transalted versions?) found to be dubious. > Your approach for surya siddhantic principles and the software innovated are all good but case study is only for purpose for individual enlightenment and no coercion at all.In any case mundane issues always help us for our basic understanding of software and to test the fficacy of system. > vrkrishnan > > --- On Wed, 6/3/09, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote: > > Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > > Re: Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 6:19 AM > > To All, > > I was pressed to present Case Studies. Now what is the problem in discussing and proving Suryasiddhanta to be wrong, which proves accurate in 100% cases in all these case studies ? I have consistently followed BPHS and Suryasiddhanta. Please find fault in my approach. It is a request to civil members, and a challenge to abusers of Suryasiddhanta. > > I have given links of official rainfall data. Anyone can check my method. It is not only a case of mundane astrology, because I used BPHS rules of individual horoscopy to interpret the solar transit charts. 100% accuracy of Suryasiddhanta also means that BPHS is also 100% accurate (esp its basics, excluding some dubious portions which may be interpolations, which have no relevance in my case studies). > > I will present individual case studies also, for which I am searching for reliable data which could not be challenged as my manipulations. 100% impartiality and 100% scientific approach towards astrology proves Suryasiddhanta and BPHS to be 100% correct. It does not mean other approaches are wrong, because Suryasiddhanta in Ganita and BPHS in phalita are only surviving apaurusheya or Rishi-made texts which treat astrology comprehensively (Jaimini Sutra is incomplete : only two chapters are extant, while 98 chapters of BPHS have survived out of original 100. All other approaches are later developments which owe their correctness to Suryasiddhanta and BPHS, and related texts. No single text contains complete Suryasiddhanta or complete BPHS. Much has been lost during millenia of transmission, and their are interpolations too. Other texts help us in reconstruction of Vedic-puranic tradition of Jyotisha whose mainstay is Suryasiddhanta in Ganita and BPHS in > phalita. > > -Vinay Jha. > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > vattem krishnan <bursar_99 > > > Wednesday, June 3, 2009 1:44:05 PM > Re: Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > Dear Vinay Ji,Arjun Ji and all senior members, > Surya Siddhanta being a classical approach we have no doubts in it's reliability or being made as a base for several Almanacs in the country. > The laudable effort of Shri Vinayaji lies in making it's application internet savy and also considers munadane applications as it's obejectivity guiding the all human beings in the welfare of the state. > I know individual chart have their own inconsistencies in what ever way we derive through physical movements of planets as is being done or otherwise. > Now Ayanamsa that comes to fore basically on account physical movement of planets can not be neagated till some more as we get access to case charts and study difference between two obvious approaches.Fortunat ely we have Mercury at last turning direct that helps every one of us in saving our time as issues are likely to be less misunderstood or no effort to think only interms of read between lines. > case studies are always of immense value as it provides an opportunity to understand in great details. > Astrologer,after all need data and it's dissemination interms of planetary results.We alway find people rushing to Astrologers but interpretation given were always interrogated in terms of consistency. This is where our mutaul perspectives and understanding of the basic principles of jyotish will help us > vrkrishnan > > --- On Tue, 6/2/09, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > wrote: > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > > Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 9:35 PM > > dear vinayji > > firstly i appreciate your approach to the audience by furnishing them with case studies. your seeking shortcomings and suggestions for improvement is the positive spirit of a researcher. > > since i learnt astrology in north india and studied most texts only in hindi and sanskrit, let me also inform the audience that surya siddhanta is the base for almost all panchangas in the cow belt including the government of india published one. this makes surya siddhanta as an accepted base of astronomy and we find its references as bases in MANY government of india websites and scientific organisations that gauge astronomy and are involved into panchanga. > > if i read the initial reaction mails to yours earlier, the audience felt the base of your software viz. surya siddhanta as something cooked in your kitchen or picked from some remote corner not familiar and accepted elsewhere. am aware that most kashi pandits (astrologers) and BHU uses this surya siddhanta. if other softwares base on something else in other geographies, it is fine but they shall not find surya siddhanta as alien and unacceptable. > > the modern audience with vast resources of internt available at fingertips, would be convinced not by telling from our mouth but by furnishing them the accepted published references, substantiations and corroborations. accordingly, you are requested to publish the names of all government of india organisations and publications that clearly mention surya siddhanta as their base for astronomy and also for panchanga forecast so that natives find it easier to get convinced about the acceptance of the surya siddhanta in the first place. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraksahremedy .com > > , " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > > To All : > > > > 20 Case Studies have been placed at Click_Here > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Annual+Rains+ -2+%3A+Worst+ Years> > > . Ten best and ten worst years in the recorded history of Indian > > Monsoons have been astrologically analyzed according to easiest and > > basic rules of individual horodcopy, esp of Parashara (BPHS). Comparison > > of Suryasiddhantic and modern astronomical charts have been carried out. > > > > Please point out the shortcomings. I will try to improve the > > presentation according to suggestions. > > > > Four individual case studies of Death are Click_Here > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Prediction+ of+Death> . > > > > One individual case study of Brain Damage is Click_Here > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Brain+Damage> . > > > > One case study of Aircraft Crash is Click_Here > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Aircraft+ Crash+AF447> , which is > > a summary of 18 detailed mundane charts. > > > > In addition to these 26 case studies, I will try to put more. > > > > -Vinay Jha > > ============ ======= ===== > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 Rohini Da, I do not know nor do I want to know how cookies or tracking softwares are made. I did not ever made a site of my own, where such tracking and visitor-counting procedures can be installed. I use free websites offered by others, in which cookies and visitor-counting codes cannot be inserted. For uploading and downloading Kundalee, I could not use those free websites which cannot allow files bigger than 10 MB, whereas zipped kundalee file has already exceeded 14 MB. Hence, I've to upload it on another free service : http://www.datafilehost.com/ This site does not belong to me, and I cannot remove its visitor-counting feature, nor do I want to, becaise some members of AIA were saying that Kundalee is undownloadable, hence there must be a counter to see whether they were right or wrong. You are levelling a wrong charge on me : <<< " What one needs to gain trust, acceptance and LOVE -- that comes pretty readily in this astrological reality -- is toturn off the tracking cookies and other software gizmos that tell one how many visited a site or downloaded or whatever! And particularly when one confesses publicly that one knows all visitors! Something is just not right in that picture!! " >>> Sreenadh in AIA had guessed that I am tracking AIA members after I told him that AIA members were downloading Kundalee in large numbers in spite of his claims that it is undownloadable. At that time, AIA was the only forum in which Kundalee was announced (by him, not by me), and other forums were quite ignorant of Kundalee. Hence, it was not difficult to guess that the downloads at that time were almost wholly from AIA members which you translate as " one confesses publicly that one knows all visitors! " . Sreenadh also imagined that I was tracking AIA !! I have too much of serious tasks to learn and indulge in such mean tricks. I had no plan to announce Kundalee in any forum at all. Sreenadh got me involved in these fora AGAINST my will. I did not know that most of members in these fora do not know Hindi. Kundalee was not fully translated into English. I was not prepared for English fora with a Hindi software. I am surprized at your misgivings about me. Now I understand why you keep away from Kundalee, you fear Kundalee has some spyware (tracking cookies) which will steal your private data !! I never learnt internet programming, which is proven by the fact that I do not any website with my own domain, where such tracking cookies can be uploaded. I use free sites offered by others where limited services are offered. I know only one language : Visual Basic, which cannot create spyware as far as I know (I do not know everything about Visual Basic, because I only needed one type of program : standard exe type needed for astrological softwares). I always knew from your language that you had misgivings about me, but I did not know you took me to a spy peeping into other's accounts with my tracking cookies . Thanks for opening your heart. There is no way I can prove that I do not know internet programming , only experienced programmers can know this fact, which is clear from the type of my program. You are not a programmer, hence you can imagine all sort of things about me. I have already said that I have done my duty by presenting the traditional siddhantic aspect of Vedic Astrology and it is not my concern whether people believe me to be a software programmer or a thief stealing their bank accounts with my tracking cookies which I do not even know how to make. The counter you refer to belong to http://www.datafilehost.com/ wich offers free file uploading and downloading services. -VJ ======================= == ________________________________ Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan Sunday, June 7, 2009 9:49:22 AM Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion Dear Vinay ji, Do you not get it, at all? No one sees you as a mere software developer! Here or elsewhere, even where you feel attacked and diminuited (is that a real word? It is now!) I do not for one. What one needs to gain trust, acceptance and LOVE -- that comes pretty readily in this astrological reality -- is to turn off the tracking cookies and other software gizmos that tell one how many visited a site or downloaded or whatever! And particularly when one confesses publicly that one knows all visitors! Something is just not right in that picture!! TRUST always begins at home and even for a hermit, that must be where he truly is! " Bhul Chook leni deni " , as I saw written on the back wall of those in the India where I grew up -- who impressed me with what service is really about! My apologies if I rubbed you the wrong way! Not intentional at all. You have called me 'Dada' privately and publicly! I must do my duty! Rohini-da , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > Sir, > > No software developer is pressurized for presenting comparative case studies which took me 200 hours, and then if I ask them to discuss it, it is unfair to say : " case study is only for purpose for individual enlightenment and no coercion at all " . > > I am not pressurizing anyone, my point is for those who demanded case studies but are now ignoring to discuss. > > Only one person has read the case studies so far, and he discusses in private mails, perhaps rightly because many (not all) members in open fora often do not like what they are not habituated to and disrupt or divert discussions. > > -VJ > > ============ ========= = ==== > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > vattem krishnan <bursar_99@. ..> > > Sunday, June 7, 2009 8:02:49 AM > Re: Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > > > > > Dear Sir, > After exhaustive study of BPHS by you,you say that excepting for basics,(there are some interpolations( transalted versions?) found to be dubious. > Your approach for surya siddhantic principles and the software innovated are all good but case study is only for purpose for individual enlightenment and no coercion at all.In any case mundane issues always help us for our basic understanding of software and to test the fficacy of system. > vrkrishnan > > --- On Wed, 6/3/09, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote: > > Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > > Re: Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 6:19 AM > > To All, > > I was pressed to present Case Studies. Now what is the problem in discussing and proving Suryasiddhanta to be wrong, which proves accurate in 100% cases in all these case studies ? I have consistently followed BPHS and Suryasiddhanta. Please find fault in my approach. It is a request to civil members, and a challenge to abusers of Suryasiddhanta. > > I have given links of official rainfall data. Anyone can check my method. It is not only a case of mundane astrology, because I used BPHS rules of individual horoscopy to interpret the solar transit charts. 100% accuracy of Suryasiddhanta also means that BPHS is also 100% accurate (esp its basics, excluding some dubious portions which may be interpolations, which have no relevance in my case studies). > > I will present individual case studies also, for which I am searching for reliable data which could not be challenged as my manipulations. 100% impartiality and 100% scientific approach towards astrology proves Suryasiddhanta and BPHS to be 100% correct. It does not mean other approaches are wrong, because Suryasiddhanta in Ganita and BPHS in phalita are only surviving apaurusheya or Rishi-made texts which treat astrology comprehensively (Jaimini Sutra is incomplete : only two chapters are extant, while 98 chapters of BPHS have survived out of original 100. All other approaches are later developments which owe their correctness to Suryasiddhanta and BPHS, and related texts. No single text contains complete Suryasiddhanta or complete BPHS. Much has been lost during millenia of transmission, and their are interpolations too. Other texts help us in reconstruction of Vedic-puranic tradition of Jyotisha whose mainstay is Suryasiddhanta in Ganita and BPHS in > phalita. > > -Vinay Jha. > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > vattem krishnan <bursar_99 > > > Wednesday, June 3, 2009 1:44:05 PM > Re: Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > Dear Vinay Ji,Arjun Ji and all senior members, > Surya Siddhanta being a classical approach we have no doubts in it's reliability or being made as a base for several Almanacs in the country. > The laudable effort of Shri Vinayaji lies in making it's application internet savy and also considers munadane applications as it's obejectivity guiding the all human beings in the welfare of the state. > I know individual chart have their own inconsistencies in what ever way we derive through physical movements of planets as is being done or otherwise. > Now Ayanamsa that comes to fore basically on account physical movement of planets can not be neagated till some more as we get access to case charts and study difference between two obvious approaches.Fortunat ely we have Mercury at last turning direct that helps every one of us in saving our time as issues are likely to be less misunderstood or no effort to think only interms of read between lines. > case studies are always of immense value as it provides an opportunity to understand in great details. > Astrologer,after all need data and it's dissemination interms of planetary results.We alway find people rushing to Astrologers but interpretation given were always interrogated in terms of consistency. This is where our mutaul perspectives and understanding of the basic principles of jyotish will help us > vrkrishnan > > --- On Tue, 6/2/09, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > wrote: > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > > Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 9:35 PM > > dear vinayji > > firstly i appreciate your approach to the audience by furnishing them with case studies. your seeking shortcomings and suggestions for improvement is the positive spirit of a researcher. > > since i learnt astrology in north india and studied most texts only in hindi and sanskrit, let me also inform the audience that surya siddhanta is the base for almost all panchangas in the cow belt including the government of india published one. this makes surya siddhanta as an accepted base of astronomy and we find its references as bases in MANY government of india websites and scientific organisations that gauge astronomy and are involved into panchanga. > > if i read the initial reaction mails to yours earlier, the audience felt the base of your software viz. surya siddhanta as something cooked in your kitchen or picked from some remote corner not familiar and accepted elsewhere. am aware that most kashi pandits (astrologers) and BHU uses this surya siddhanta. if other softwares base on something else in other geographies, it is fine but they shall not find surya siddhanta as alien and unacceptable. > > the modern audience with vast resources of internt available at fingertips, would be convinced not by telling from our mouth but by furnishing them the accepted published references, substantiations and corroborations. accordingly, you are requested to publish the names of all government of india organisations and publications that clearly mention surya siddhanta as their base for astronomy and also for panchanga forecast so that natives find it easier to get convinced about the acceptance of the surya siddhanta in the first place. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraksahremedy .com > > , " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > > To All : > > > > 20 Case Studies have been placed at Click_Here > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Annual+Rains+ -2+%3A+Worst+ Years> > > . Ten best and ten worst years in the recorded history of Indian > > Monsoons have been astrologically analyzed according to easiest and > > basic rules of individual horodcopy, esp of Parashara (BPHS). Comparison > > of Suryasiddhantic and modern astronomical charts have been carried out. > > > > Please point out the shortcomings. I will try to improve the > > presentation according to suggestions. > > > > Four individual case studies of Death are Click_Here > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Prediction+ of+Death> . > > > > One individual case study of Brain Damage is Click_Here > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Brain+Damage> . > > > > One case study of Aircraft Crash is Click_Here > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Aircraft+ Crash+AF447> , which is > > a summary of 18 detailed mundane charts. > > > > In addition to these 26 case studies, I will try to put more. > > > > -Vinay Jha > > ============ ======= ===== > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 Dear Vinay-bhai, Please re-read your message! You overreacted! I was just going with how you have always come across in your public messages as if you knew who read your articles, and who downloaded your software and who did not! Why you must take that 'all the way' to another dimension and to interpret it to mean private data and bank accounts and what not was neither necessary, intended or made sense, but was disturbing. If I had misgivings like that, I would not have carried out a conversation with you at all! Cookies and tracking software seem to have become the reality on internet these days. It is not necessarily something nefarious! Nor a charge against you as long as the intention is about collecting statistics. Many websites of good reputation do that, Please do seriously consider what I wrote and do not feel hurt by what wes never meant to in the first place! Rohini-da , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > Rohini Da, > > I do not know nor do I want to know how cookies or tracking softwares are made. I did not ever made a site of my own, where such tracking and visitor-counting procedures can be installed. I use free websites offered by others, in which cookies and visitor-counting codes cannot be inserted. For uploading and downloading Kundalee, I could not use those free websites which cannot allow files bigger than 10 MB, whereas zipped kundalee file has already exceeded 14 MB. Hence, I've to upload it on another free service : http://www.datafilehost.com/ > > This site does not belong to me, and I cannot remove its visitor-counting feature, nor do I want to, becaise some members of AIA were saying that Kundalee is undownloadable, hence there must be a counter to see whether they were right or wrong. > > You are levelling a wrong charge on me : > > <<< " What one needs to gain trust, acceptance and LOVE -- that comes pretty > readily in this astrological reality -- is toturn off the tracking > cookies and other software gizmos that tell one how many visited a site > or downloaded or whatever! And particularly when one confesses publicly > that one knows all visitors! Something is just not right in that > picture!! " >>> > > > Sreenadh in AIA had guessed that I am tracking AIA members after I told him that AIA members were downloading Kundalee in large numbers in spite of his claims that it is undownloadable. At that time, AIA was the only forum in which Kundalee was announced (by him, not by me), and other forums were quite ignorant of Kundalee. Hence, it was not difficult to guess that the downloads at that time were almost wholly from AIA members which you translate as " one confesses publicly > that one knows all visitors! " . Sreenadh also imagined that I was tracking AIA !! I have too much of serious tasks to learn and indulge in such mean tricks. I had no plan to announce Kundalee in any forum at all. Sreenadh got me involved in these fora AGAINST my will. I did not know that most of members in these fora do not know Hindi. Kundalee was not fully translated into English. I was not prepared for English fora with a Hindi software. > > I am surprized at your misgivings about me. Now I understand why you keep away from Kundalee, you fear Kundalee has some spyware (tracking > cookies) which will steal your private data !! > > I never learnt internet programming, which is proven by the fact that I do not any website with my own domain, where such tracking cookies can be uploaded. I use free sites offered by others where limited services are offered. I know only one language : Visual Basic, which cannot create spyware as far as I know (I do not know everything about Visual Basic, because I only needed one type of program : standard exe type needed for astrological softwares). > > I always knew from your language that you had misgivings about me, but I did not know you took me to a spy peeping into other's accounts with my tracking > cookies . Thanks for opening your heart. There is no way I can prove that I do not know internet programming , only experienced programmers can know this fact, which is clear from the type of my program. You are not a programmer, hence you can imagine all sort of things about me. I have already said that I have done my duty by presenting the traditional siddhantic aspect of Vedic Astrology and it is not my concern whether people believe me to be a software programmer or a thief stealing their bank accounts with my tracking > cookies which I do not even know how to make. The counter you refer to belong to http://www.datafilehost.com/ wich offers free file uploading and downloading services. > > -VJ > ======================= == > > > > > ________________________________ > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan > > Sunday, June 7, 2009 9:49:22 AM > Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > > > > > Dear Vinay ji, > > Do you not get it, at all? > > No one sees you as a mere software developer! Here or elsewhere, even where you feel attacked and diminuited (is that a real word? It is now!) > > I do not for one. > > What one needs to gain trust, acceptance and LOVE -- that comes pretty readily in this astrological reality -- is to turn off the tracking cookies and other software gizmos that tell one how many visited a site or downloaded or whatever! And particularly when one confesses publicly that one knows all visitors! Something is just not right in that picture!! > > TRUST always begins at home and even for a hermit, that must be where he truly is! > > " Bhul Chook leni deni " , as I saw written on the back wall of those in the India where I grew up -- who impressed me with what service is really about! > > My apologies if I rubbed you the wrong way! > > Not intentional at all. You have called me 'Dada' privately and publicly! I must do my duty! > > Rohini-da > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > > Sir, > > > > No software developer is pressurized for presenting comparative case studies which took me 200 hours, and then if I ask them to discuss it, it is unfair to say : " case study is only for purpose for individual enlightenment and no coercion at all " . > > > > I am not pressurizing anyone, my point is for those who demanded case studies but are now ignoring to discuss. > > > > Only one person has read the case studies so far, and he discusses in private mails, perhaps rightly because many (not all) members in open fora often do not like what they are not habituated to and disrupt or divert discussions. > > > > -VJ > > > > ============ ========= = ==== > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> > > > > Sunday, June 7, 2009 8:02:49 AM > > Re: Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > After exhaustive study of BPHS by you,you say that excepting for basics,(there are some interpolations( transalted versions?) found to be dubious. > > Your approach for surya siddhantic principles and the software innovated are all good but case study is only for purpose for individual enlightenment and no coercion at all.In any case mundane issues always help us for our basic understanding of software and to test the fficacy of system. > > vrkrishnan > > > > --- On Wed, 6/3/09, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote: > > > > Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > > > Re: Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > > > Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 6:19 AM > > > > To All, > > > > I was pressed to present Case Studies. Now what is the problem in discussing and proving Suryasiddhanta to be wrong, which proves accurate in 100% cases in all these case studies ? I have consistently followed BPHS and Suryasiddhanta. Please find fault in my approach. It is a request to civil members, and a challenge to abusers of Suryasiddhanta. > > > > I have given links of official rainfall data. Anyone can check my method. It is not only a case of mundane astrology, because I used BPHS rules of individual horoscopy to interpret the solar transit charts. 100% accuracy of Suryasiddhanta also means that BPHS is also 100% accurate (esp its basics, excluding some dubious portions which may be interpolations, which have no relevance in my case studies). > > > > I will present individual case studies also, for which I am searching for reliable data which could not be challenged as my manipulations. 100% impartiality and 100% scientific approach towards astrology proves Suryasiddhanta and BPHS to be 100% correct. It does not mean other approaches are wrong, because Suryasiddhanta in Ganita and BPHS in phalita are only surviving apaurusheya or Rishi-made texts which treat astrology comprehensively (Jaimini Sutra is incomplete : only two chapters are extant, while 98 chapters of BPHS have survived out of original 100. All other approaches are later developments which owe their correctness to Suryasiddhanta and BPHS, and related texts. No single text contains complete Suryasiddhanta or complete BPHS. Much has been lost during millenia of transmission, and their are interpolations too. Other texts help us in reconstruction of Vedic-puranic tradition of Jyotisha whose mainstay is Suryasiddhanta in Ganita and BPHS in > > phalita. > > > > -Vinay Jha. > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > vattem krishnan <bursar_99 > > > > > Wednesday, June 3, 2009 1:44:05 PM > > Re: Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > > > Dear Vinay Ji,Arjun Ji and all senior members, > > Surya Siddhanta being a classical approach we have no doubts in it's reliability or being made as a base for several Almanacs in the country. > > The laudable effort of Shri Vinayaji lies in making it's application internet savy and also considers munadane applications as it's obejectivity guiding the all human beings in the welfare of the state. > > I know individual chart have their own inconsistencies in what ever way we derive through physical movements of planets as is being done or otherwise. > > Now Ayanamsa that comes to fore basically on account physical movement of planets can not be neagated till some more as we get access to case charts and study difference between two obvious approaches.Fortunat ely we have Mercury at last turning direct that helps every one of us in saving our time as issues are likely to be less misunderstood or no effort to think only interms of read between lines. > > case studies are always of immense value as it provides an opportunity to understand in great details. > > Astrologer,after all need data and it's dissemination interms of planetary results.We alway find people rushing to Astrologers but interpretation given were always interrogated in terms of consistency. This is where our mutaul perspectives and understanding of the basic principles of jyotish will help us > > vrkrishnan > > > > --- On Tue, 6/2/09, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > wrote: > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > > > Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > > > Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 9:35 PM > > > > dear vinayji > > > > firstly i appreciate your approach to the audience by furnishing them with case studies. your seeking shortcomings and suggestions for improvement is the positive spirit of a researcher. > > > > since i learnt astrology in north india and studied most texts only in hindi and sanskrit, let me also inform the audience that surya siddhanta is the base for almost all panchangas in the cow belt including the government of india published one. this makes surya siddhanta as an accepted base of astronomy and we find its references as bases in MANY government of india websites and scientific organisations that gauge astronomy and are involved into panchanga. > > > > if i read the initial reaction mails to yours earlier, the audience felt the base of your software viz. surya siddhanta as something cooked in your kitchen or picked from some remote corner not familiar and accepted elsewhere. am aware that most kashi pandits (astrologers) and BHU uses this surya siddhanta. if other softwares base on something else in other geographies, it is fine but they shall not find surya siddhanta as alien and unacceptable. > > > > the modern audience with vast resources of internt available at fingertips, would be convinced not by telling from our mouth but by furnishing them the accepted published references, substantiations and corroborations. accordingly, you are requested to publish the names of all government of india organisations and publications that clearly mention surya siddhanta as their base for astronomy and also for panchanga forecast so that natives find it easier to get convinced about the acceptance of the surya siddhanta in the first place. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > www.rudraksahremedy .com > > > > , " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > To All : > > > > > > 20 Case Studies have been placed at Click_Here > > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Annual+Rains+ -2+%3A+Worst+ Years> > > > . Ten best and ten worst years in the recorded history of Indian > > > Monsoons have been astrologically analyzed according to easiest and > > > basic rules of individual horodcopy, esp of Parashara (BPHS). Comparison > > > of Suryasiddhantic and modern astronomical charts have been carried out. > > > > > > Please point out the shortcomings. I will try to improve the > > > presentation according to suggestions. > > > > > > Four individual case studies of Death are Click_Here > > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Prediction+ of+Death> . > > > > > > One individual case study of Brain Damage is Click_Here > > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Brain+Damage> . > > > > > > One case study of Aircraft Crash is Click_Here > > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Aircraft+ Crash+AF447> , which is > > > a summary of 18 detailed mundane charts. > > > > > > In addition to these 26 case studies, I will try to put more. > > > > > > -Vinay Jha > > > ============ ======= ===== > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 Rohini Da, Here is your own message : " turn off the tracking cookies and other software gizmos that tell one how many visited a site or downloaded or whatever! And particularly when one confesses publicly that one knows all visitors! Something is just not right in that picture!! " It is a public forum and others also read your posts and may derive all sorts of meanings, and I deliberately overreacted to make you see possible permutations and combinations of your statements. Cookies and tracking software may be good, but they are used by businessmen. I have no need of them. Besides, I do not know who download Kundalee and who do not, unless they inform me. Some of them inform me privately due to the bad climate created in recent past by a dedicated team. In my family all servants were addressed with a 'Ji'. Now at an advanced age, I will try to learn what I was unaccustomed to even in my childhood. Only students are addressed without a 'Ji' in my environment. -VJ ========================= == ________________________________ Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan Sunday, June 7, 2009 2:45:25 PM Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion Dear Vinay-bhai, Please re-read your message! You overreacted! I was just going with how you have always come across in your public messages as if you knew who read your articles, and who downloaded your software and who did not! Why you must take that 'all the way' to another dimension and to interpret it to mean private data and bank accounts and what not was neither necessary, intended or made sense, but was disturbing. If I had misgivings like that, I would not have carried out a conversation with you at all! Cookies and tracking software seem to have become the reality on internet these days. It is not necessarily something nefarious! Nor a charge against you as long as the intention is about collecting statistics. Many websites of good reputation do that, Please do seriously consider what I wrote and do not feel hurt by what wes never meant to in the first place! Rohini-da , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > Rohini Da, > > I do not know nor do I want to know how cookies or tracking softwares are made. I did not ever made a site of my own, where such tracking and visitor-counting procedures can be installed. I use free websites offered by others, in which cookies and visitor-counting codes cannot be inserted. For uploading and downloading Kundalee, I could not use those free websites which cannot allow files bigger than 10 MB, whereas zipped kundalee file has already exceeded 14 MB. Hence, I've to upload it on another free service : http://www.datafile host.com/ > > This site does not belong to me, and I cannot remove its visitor-counting feature, nor do I want to, becaise some members of AIA were saying that Kundalee is undownloadable, hence there must be a counter to see whether they were right or wrong. > > You are levelling a wrong charge on me : > > <<< " What one needs to gain trust, acceptance and LOVE -- that comes pretty > readily in this astrological reality -- is toturn off the tracking > cookies and other software gizmos that tell one how many visited a site > or downloaded or whatever! And particularly when one confesses publicly > that one knows all visitors! Something is just not right in that > picture!! " >>> > > > Sreenadh in AIA had guessed that I am tracking AIA members after I told him that AIA members were downloading Kundalee in large numbers in spite of his claims that it is undownloadable. At that time, AIA was the only forum in which Kundalee was announced (by him, not by me), and other forums were quite ignorant of Kundalee. Hence, it was not difficult to guess that the downloads at that time were almost wholly from AIA members which you translate as " one confesses publicly > that one knows all visitors! " . Sreenadh also imagined that I was tracking AIA !! I have too much of serious tasks to learn and indulge in such mean tricks. I had no plan to announce Kundalee in any forum at all. Sreenadh got me involved in these fora AGAINST my will. I did not know that most of members in these fora do not know Hindi. Kundalee was not fully translated into English. I was not prepared for English fora with a Hindi software. > > I am surprized at your misgivings about me. Now I understand why you keep away from Kundalee, you fear Kundalee has some spyware (tracking > cookies) which will steal your private data !! > > I never learnt internet programming, which is proven by the fact that I do not any website with my own domain, where such tracking cookies can be uploaded. I use free sites offered by others where limited services are offered. I know only one language : Visual Basic, which cannot create spyware as far as I know (I do not know everything about Visual Basic, because I only needed one type of program : standard exe type needed for astrological softwares). > > I always knew from your language that you had misgivings about me, but I did not know you took me to a spy peeping into other's accounts with my tracking > cookies . Thanks for opening your heart. There is no way I can prove that I do not know internet programming , only experienced programmers can know this fact, which is clear from the type of my program. You are not a programmer, hence you can imagine all sort of things about me. I have already said that I have done my duty by presenting the traditional siddhantic aspect of Vedic Astrology and it is not my concern whether people believe me to be a software programmer or a thief stealing their bank accounts with my tracking > cookies which I do not even know how to make. The counter you refer to belong to http://www.datafile host.com/ wich offers free file uploading and downloading services. > > -VJ > ============ ========= == == > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > Sunday, June 7, 2009 9:49:22 AM > Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > > > > > Dear Vinay ji, > > Do you not get it, at all? > > No one sees you as a mere software developer! Here or elsewhere, even where you feel attacked and diminuited (is that a real word? It is now!) > > I do not for one. > > What one needs to gain trust, acceptance and LOVE -- that comes pretty readily in this astrological reality -- is to turn off the tracking cookies and other software gizmos that tell one how many visited a site or downloaded or whatever! And particularly when one confesses publicly that one knows all visitors! Something is just not right in that picture!! > > TRUST always begins at home and even for a hermit, that must be where he truly is! > > " Bhul Chook leni deni " , as I saw written on the back wall of those in the India where I grew up -- who impressed me with what service is really about! > > My apologies if I rubbed you the wrong way! > > Not intentional at all. You have called me 'Dada' privately and publicly! I must do my duty! > > Rohini-da > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > > Sir, > > > > No software developer is pressurized for presenting comparative case studies which took me 200 hours, and then if I ask them to discuss it, it is unfair to say : " case study is only for purpose for individual enlightenment and no coercion at all " . > > > > I am not pressurizing anyone, my point is for those who demanded case studies but are now ignoring to discuss. > > > > Only one person has read the case studies so far, and he discusses in private mails, perhaps rightly because many (not all) members in open fora often do not like what they are not habituated to and disrupt or divert discussions. > > > > -VJ > > > > ============ ========= = ==== > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> > > > > Sunday, June 7, 2009 8:02:49 AM > > Re: Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > After exhaustive study of BPHS by you,you say that excepting for basics,(there are some interpolations( transalted versions?) found to be dubious. > > Your approach for surya siddhantic principles and the software innovated are all good but case study is only for purpose for individual enlightenment and no coercion at all.In any case mundane issues always help us for our basic understanding of software and to test the fficacy of system. > > vrkrishnan > > > > --- On Wed, 6/3/09, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote: > > > > Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > > > Re: Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > > > Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 6:19 AM > > > > To All, > > > > I was pressed to present Case Studies. Now what is the problem in discussing and proving Suryasiddhanta to be wrong, which proves accurate in 100% cases in all these case studies ? I have consistently followed BPHS and Suryasiddhanta. Please find fault in my approach. It is a request to civil members, and a challenge to abusers of Suryasiddhanta. > > > > I have given links of official rainfall data. Anyone can check my method. It is not only a case of mundane astrology, because I used BPHS rules of individual horoscopy to interpret the solar transit charts. 100% accuracy of Suryasiddhanta also means that BPHS is also 100% accurate (esp its basics, excluding some dubious portions which may be interpolations, which have no relevance in my case studies). > > > > I will present individual case studies also, for which I am searching for reliable data which could not be challenged as my manipulations. 100% impartiality and 100% scientific approach towards astrology proves Suryasiddhanta and BPHS to be 100% correct. It does not mean other approaches are wrong, because Suryasiddhanta in Ganita and BPHS in phalita are only surviving apaurusheya or Rishi-made texts which treat astrology comprehensively (Jaimini Sutra is incomplete : only two chapters are extant, while 98 chapters of BPHS have survived out of original 100. All other approaches are later developments which owe their correctness to Suryasiddhanta and BPHS, and related texts. No single text contains complete Suryasiddhanta or complete BPHS. Much has been lost during millenia of transmission, and their are interpolations too. Other texts help us in reconstruction of Vedic-puranic tradition of Jyotisha whose mainstay is Suryasiddhanta in Ganita and BPHS in > > phalita. > > > > -Vinay Jha. > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > vattem krishnan <bursar_99 > > > > > Wednesday, June 3, 2009 1:44:05 PM > > Re: Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > > > Dear Vinay Ji,Arjun Ji and all senior members, > > Surya Siddhanta being a classical approach we have no doubts in it's reliability or being made as a base for several Almanacs in the country. > > The laudable effort of Shri Vinayaji lies in making it's application internet savy and also considers munadane applications as it's obejectivity guiding the all human beings in the welfare of the state. > > I know individual chart have their own inconsistencies in what ever way we derive through physical movements of planets as is being done or otherwise. > > Now Ayanamsa that comes to fore basically on account physical movement of planets can not be neagated till some more as we get access to case charts and study difference between two obvious approaches.Fortunat ely we have Mercury at last turning direct that helps every one of us in saving our time as issues are likely to be less misunderstood or no effort to think only interms of read between lines. > > case studies are always of immense value as it provides an opportunity to understand in great details. > > Astrologer,after all need data and it's dissemination interms of planetary results.We alway find people rushing to Astrologers but interpretation given were always interrogated in terms of consistency. This is where our mutaul perspectives and understanding of the basic principles of jyotish will help us > > vrkrishnan > > > > --- On Tue, 6/2/09, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > wrote: > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > > > Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > > > Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 9:35 PM > > > > dear vinayji > > > > firstly i appreciate your approach to the audience by furnishing them with case studies. your seeking shortcomings and suggestions for improvement is the positive spirit of a researcher. > > > > since i learnt astrology in north india and studied most texts only in hindi and sanskrit, let me also inform the audience that surya siddhanta is the base for almost all panchangas in the cow belt including the government of india published one. this makes surya siddhanta as an accepted base of astronomy and we find its references as bases in MANY government of india websites and scientific organisations that gauge astronomy and are involved into panchanga. > > > > if i read the initial reaction mails to yours earlier, the audience felt the base of your software viz. surya siddhanta as something cooked in your kitchen or picked from some remote corner not familiar and accepted elsewhere. am aware that most kashi pandits (astrologers) and BHU uses this surya siddhanta. if other softwares base on something else in other geographies, it is fine but they shall not find surya siddhanta as alien and unacceptable. > > > > the modern audience with vast resources of internt available at fingertips, would be convinced not by telling from our mouth but by furnishing them the accepted published references, substantiations and corroborations. accordingly, you are requested to publish the names of all government of india organisations and publications that clearly mention surya siddhanta as their base for astronomy and also for panchanga forecast so that natives find it easier to get convinced about the acceptance of the surya siddhanta in the first place. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > www.rudraksahremedy .com > > > > , " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > To All : > > > > > > 20 Case Studies have been placed at Click_Here > > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Annual+Rains+ -2+%3A+Worst+ Years> > > > . Ten best and ten worst years in the recorded history of Indian > > > Monsoons have been astrologically analyzed according to easiest and > > > basic rules of individual horodcopy, esp of Parashara (BPHS). Comparison > > > of Suryasiddhantic and modern astronomical charts have been carried out. > > > > > > Please point out the shortcomings. I will try to improve the > > > presentation according to suggestions. > > > > > > Four individual case studies of Death are Click_Here > > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Prediction+ of+Death> . > > > > > > One individual case study of Brain Damage is Click_Here > > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Brain+Damage> . > > > > > > One case study of Aircraft Crash is Click_Here > > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Aircraft+ Crash+AF447> , which is > > > a summary of 18 detailed mundane charts. > > > > > > In addition to these 26 case studies, I will try to put more. > > > > > > -Vinay Jha > > > ============ ======= ===== > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 Dear Vinay Ji, When someone addresses me as Dada, privately or publicly, and treats me like an elder brother whether just out of politeness or sincerely does he or she not give me the right automatically to address them by their first name or first name with a -bhai added? At least that was the practice in my family and the culture in the part of India where I was raised! So what is this talk about servants and what not? That said, a monk should be a servant of God and God lives in every being! Not everyone may have faith in that simple truth, but I do! As to the cookie thing, I have already explained in an earlier message why I wrote that. I agree that you may be right that I should have been more careful because some person may misinterpret my words. My apologies for that. RR , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > Rohini Da, > > Here is your own message : > > " turn off the tracking cookies and other software gizmos that tell one how many visited a site or downloaded or whatever! And particularly when one confesses publicly that one knows all visitors! Something is just not right in that picture!! " > > It is a public forum and others also read your posts and may derive all sorts of meanings, and I deliberately overreacted to make you see possible permutations and combinations of your statements. Cookies and tracking software may be good, but they are used by businessmen. I have no need of them. Besides, I do not know who download Kundalee and who do not, unless they inform me. Some of them inform me privately due to the bad climate created in recent past by a dedicated team. > > In my family all servants were addressed with a 'Ji'. Now at an advanced age, I will try to learn what I was unaccustomed to even in my childhood. Only students are addressed without a 'Ji' in my environment. > > -VJ > ========================= == > > ________________________________ > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan > > Sunday, June 7, 2009 2:45:25 PM > Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > > > > > Dear Vinay-bhai, > > Please re-read your message! You overreacted! I was just going with how you have always come across in your public messages as if you knew who read your articles, and who downloaded your software and who did not! > > Why you must take that 'all the way' to another dimension and to interpret it to mean private data and bank accounts and what not was neither necessary, intended or made sense, but was disturbing. > > If I had misgivings like that, I would not have carried out a conversation with you at all! > > Cookies and tracking software seem to have become the reality on internet these days. It is not necessarily something nefarious! Nor a charge against you as long as the intention is about collecting statistics. Many websites of good reputation do that, > > Please do seriously consider what I wrote and do not feel hurt by what wes never meant to in the first place! > > Rohini-da > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > > Rohini Da, > > > > I do not know nor do I want to know how cookies or tracking softwares are made. I did not ever made a site of my own, where such tracking and visitor-counting procedures can be installed. I use free websites offered by others, in which cookies and visitor-counting codes cannot be inserted. For uploading and downloading Kundalee, I could not use those free websites which cannot allow files bigger than 10 MB, whereas zipped kundalee file has already exceeded 14 MB. Hence, I've to upload it on another free service : http://www.datafile host.com/ > > > > This site does not belong to me, and I cannot remove its visitor-counting feature, nor do I want to, becaise some members of AIA were saying that Kundalee is undownloadable, hence there must be a counter to see whether they were right or wrong. > > > > You are levelling a wrong charge on me : > > > > <<< " What one needs to gain trust, acceptance and LOVE -- that comes pretty > > readily in this astrological reality -- is toturn off the tracking > > cookies and other software gizmos that tell one how many visited a site > > or downloaded or whatever! And particularly when one confesses publicly > > that one knows all visitors! Something is just not right in that > > picture!! " >>> > > > > > > Sreenadh in AIA had guessed that I am tracking AIA members after I told him that AIA members were downloading Kundalee in large numbers in spite of his claims that it is undownloadable. At that time, AIA was the only forum in which Kundalee was announced (by him, not by me), and other forums were quite ignorant of Kundalee. Hence, it was not difficult to guess that the downloads at that time were almost wholly from AIA members which you translate as " one confesses publicly > > that one knows all visitors! " . Sreenadh also imagined that I was tracking AIA !! I have too much of serious tasks to learn and indulge in such mean tricks. I had no plan to announce Kundalee in any forum at all. Sreenadh got me involved in these fora AGAINST my will. I did not know that most of members in these fora do not know Hindi. Kundalee was not fully translated into English. I was not prepared for English fora with a Hindi software. > > > > I am surprized at your misgivings about me. Now I understand why you keep away from Kundalee, you fear Kundalee has some spyware (tracking > > cookies) which will steal your private data !! > > > > I never learnt internet programming, which is proven by the fact that I do not any website with my own domain, where such tracking cookies can be uploaded. I use free sites offered by others where limited services are offered. I know only one language : Visual Basic, which cannot create spyware as far as I know (I do not know everything about Visual Basic, because I only needed one type of program : standard exe type needed for astrological softwares). > > > > I always knew from your language that you had misgivings about me, but I did not know you took me to a spy peeping into other's accounts with my tracking > > cookies . Thanks for opening your heart. There is no way I can prove that I do not know internet programming , only experienced programmers can know this fact, which is clear from the type of my program. You are not a programmer, hence you can imagine all sort of things about me. I have already said that I have done my duty by presenting the traditional siddhantic aspect of Vedic Astrology and it is not my concern whether people believe me to be a software programmer or a thief stealing their bank accounts with my tracking > > cookies which I do not even know how to make. The counter you refer to belong to http://www.datafile host.com/ wich offers free file uploading and downloading services. > > > > -VJ > > ============ ========= == == > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > Sunday, June 7, 2009 9:49:22 AM > > Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vinay ji, > > > > Do you not get it, at all? > > > > No one sees you as a mere software developer! Here or elsewhere, even where you feel attacked and diminuited (is that a real word? It is now!) > > > > I do not for one. > > > > What one needs to gain trust, acceptance and LOVE -- that comes pretty readily in this astrological reality -- is to turn off the tracking cookies and other software gizmos that tell one how many visited a site or downloaded or whatever! And particularly when one confesses publicly that one knows all visitors! Something is just not right in that picture!! > > > > TRUST always begins at home and even for a hermit, that must be where he truly is! > > > > " Bhul Chook leni deni " , as I saw written on the back wall of those in the India where I grew up -- who impressed me with what service is really about! > > > > My apologies if I rubbed you the wrong way! > > > > Not intentional at all. You have called me 'Dada' privately and publicly! I must do my duty! > > > > Rohini-da > > > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > No software developer is pressurized for presenting comparative case studies which took me 200 hours, and then if I ask them to discuss it, it is unfair to say : " case study is only for purpose for individual enlightenment and no coercion at all " . > > > > > > I am not pressurizing anyone, my point is for those who demanded case studies but are now ignoring to discuss. > > > > > > Only one person has read the case studies so far, and he discusses in private mails, perhaps rightly because many (not all) members in open fora often do not like what they are not habituated to and disrupt or divert discussions. > > > > > > -VJ > > > > > > ============ ========= = ==== > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> > > > > > > Sunday, June 7, 2009 8:02:49 AM > > > Re: Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > After exhaustive study of BPHS by you,you say that excepting for basics,(there are some interpolations( transalted versions?) found to be dubious. > > > Your approach for surya siddhantic principles and the software innovated are all good but case study is only for purpose for individual enlightenment and no coercion at all.In any case mundane issues always help us for our basic understanding of software and to test the fficacy of system. > > > vrkrishnan > > > > > > --- On Wed, 6/3/09, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote: > > > > > > Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > > > > Re: Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > > > > > Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 6:19 AM > > > > > > To All, > > > > > > I was pressed to present Case Studies. Now what is the problem in discussing and proving Suryasiddhanta to be wrong, which proves accurate in 100% cases in all these case studies ? I have consistently followed BPHS and Suryasiddhanta. Please find fault in my approach. It is a request to civil members, and a challenge to abusers of Suryasiddhanta. > > > > > > I have given links of official rainfall data. Anyone can check my method. It is not only a case of mundane astrology, because I used BPHS rules of individual horoscopy to interpret the solar transit charts. 100% accuracy of Suryasiddhanta also means that BPHS is also 100% accurate (esp its basics, excluding some dubious portions which may be interpolations, which have no relevance in my case studies). > > > > > > I will present individual case studies also, for which I am searching for reliable data which could not be challenged as my manipulations. 100% impartiality and 100% scientific approach towards astrology proves Suryasiddhanta and BPHS to be 100% correct. It does not mean other approaches are wrong, because Suryasiddhanta in Ganita and BPHS in phalita are only surviving apaurusheya or Rishi-made texts which treat astrology comprehensively (Jaimini Sutra is incomplete : only two chapters are extant, while 98 chapters of BPHS have survived out of original 100. All other approaches are later developments which owe their correctness to Suryasiddhanta and BPHS, and related texts. No single text contains complete Suryasiddhanta or complete BPHS. Much has been lost during millenia of transmission, and their are interpolations too. Other texts help us in reconstruction of Vedic-puranic tradition of Jyotisha whose mainstay is Suryasiddhanta in Ganita and BPHS > in > > > phalita. > > > > > > -Vinay Jha. > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > vattem krishnan <bursar_99 > > > > > > > Wednesday, June 3, 2009 1:44:05 PM > > > Re: Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > > > > > Dear Vinay Ji,Arjun Ji and all senior members, > > > Surya Siddhanta being a classical approach we have no doubts in it's reliability or being made as a base for several Almanacs in the country. > > > The laudable effort of Shri Vinayaji lies in making it's application internet savy and also considers munadane applications as it's obejectivity guiding the all human beings in the welfare of the state. > > > I know individual chart have their own inconsistencies in what ever way we derive through physical movements of planets as is being done or otherwise. > > > Now Ayanamsa that comes to fore basically on account physical movement of planets can not be neagated till some more as we get access to case charts and study difference between two obvious approaches.Fortunat ely we have Mercury at last turning direct that helps every one of us in saving our time as issues are likely to be less misunderstood or no effort to think only interms of read between lines. > > > case studies are always of immense value as it provides an opportunity to understand in great details. > > > Astrologer,after all need data and it's dissemination interms of planetary results.We alway find people rushing to Astrologers but interpretation given were always interrogated in terms of consistency. This is where our mutaul perspectives and understanding of the basic principles of jyotish will help us > > > vrkrishnan > > > > > > --- On Tue, 6/2/09, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > wrote: > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > > > > Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > > > > > Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 9:35 PM > > > > > > dear vinayji > > > > > > firstly i appreciate your approach to the audience by furnishing them with case studies. your seeking shortcomings and suggestions for improvement is the positive spirit of a researcher. > > > > > > since i learnt astrology in north india and studied most texts only in hindi and sanskrit, let me also inform the audience that surya siddhanta is the base for almost all panchangas in the cow belt including the government of india published one. this makes surya siddhanta as an accepted base of astronomy and we find its references as bases in MANY government of india websites and scientific organisations that gauge astronomy and are involved into panchanga. > > > > > > if i read the initial reaction mails to yours earlier, the audience felt the base of your software viz. surya siddhanta as something cooked in your kitchen or picked from some remote corner not familiar and accepted elsewhere. am aware that most kashi pandits (astrologers) and BHU uses this surya siddhanta. if other softwares base on something else in other geographies, it is fine but they shall not find surya siddhanta as alien and unacceptable. > > > > > > the modern audience with vast resources of internt available at fingertips, would be convinced not by telling from our mouth but by furnishing them the accepted published references, substantiations and corroborations. accordingly, you are requested to publish the names of all government of india organisations and publications that clearly mention surya siddhanta as their base for astronomy and also for panchanga forecast so that natives find it easier to get convinced about the acceptance of the surya siddhanta in the first place. > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > pandit arjun > > > www.rudraksahremedy .com > > > > > > , " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > To All : > > > > > > > > 20 Case Studies have been placed at Click_Here > > > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Annual+Rains+ -2+%3A+Worst+ Years> > > > > . Ten best and ten worst years in the recorded history of Indian > > > > Monsoons have been astrologically analyzed according to easiest and > > > > basic rules of individual horodcopy, esp of Parashara (BPHS). Comparison > > > > of Suryasiddhantic and modern astronomical charts have been carried out. > > > > > > > > Please point out the shortcomings. I will try to improve the > > > > presentation according to suggestions. > > > > > > > > Four individual case studies of Death are Click_Here > > > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Prediction+ of+Death> . > > > > > > > > One individual case study of Brain Damage is Click_Here > > > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Brain+Damage> . > > > > > > > > One case study of Aircraft Crash is Click_Here > > > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Aircraft+ Crash+AF447> , which is > > > > a summary of 18 detailed mundane charts. > > > > > > > > In addition to these 26 case studies, I will try to put more. > > > > > > > > -Vinay Jha > > > > ============ ======= ===== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2009 Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 Dear Rohini Dada, The Universal System has continuity and Mother Nature as You rightly said is the basic after all these significations. it is not the Animal Planet just but is having all ecosystem.You are also true science lacks ways of expression of evolution.so they put jingoism in to it.In fact these are underlying principle of world as else you mentioned as macrocosmic and microcosmic world.Both ofcourse never can be independent. Probably in our approaches some how we tend to ignore baiscs of human life.though we are provided the common platform on mother earth. The God Creation probably wanted a " twist " in human nature by providing a transperent way of communication.where as other living being knowing they are very temporary and minute communicate so intimately and co exist.Life of humans as the years roll on is becoming more and more ambiguous.We have learnt to provide suspense,curiosity and diplomacy vrkrishnan --- On Sat, 6/6/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote: Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion Saturday, June 6, 2009, 10:54 PM Dear Krishnan Dada, There is a saying amongst zoologists that states: Ontogeny follows Phyllogeny! The individual, generally speaking, it seems must grow within the bounds of his or her 'kind'. Religions also interpret their role in our reality using a similar adage or basic principle but not exactly in so many words. Schools of all kinds, some ethnocentric others wider too! In a sense this opening saying in this post describes cultures, I think! ALL cultures! But the observant zoologist (One who is extremely interested in observing the animals (ALL ANIMALS) in the ZOO) also remains alert because he/she has also learned about and observed something known as mutation! It is questionable if it is ultimately random and happenstance or in some ways it is how MOTHER NATURE steps in and reminds us all who is the boss! Science can only take one in a certain direction, but astrology is yet another perspective to create the cross-hairs that hone in on the target! RR , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@. ..> wrote: > > Dear Sir, > After exhaustive study of BPHS by you,you say that excepting for basics,(there are some interpolations( transalted versions?) found to be dubious. > Your approach for surya siddhantic principles and the software innovated are all good but case study is only for purpose for individual enlightenment and no coercion at all.In any case mundane issues always help us for our basic understanding of software and to test the fficacy of system. > vrkrishnan > > --- On Wed, 6/3/09, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> > Re: Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 6:19 AM > > To All, > > I was pressed to present Case Studies. Now what is the problem in discussing and proving Suryasiddhanta to be wrong, which proves accurate in 100% cases in all these case studies ? I have consistently followed BPHS and Suryasiddhanta. Please find fault in my approach. It is a request to civil members, and a challenge to abusers of Suryasiddhanta. > > I have given links of official rainfall data. Anyone can check my method. It is not only a case of mundane astrology, because I used BPHS rules of individual horoscopy to interpret the solar transit charts. 100% accuracy of Suryasiddhanta also means that BPHS is also 100% accurate (esp its basics, excluding some dubious portions which may be interpolations, which have no relevance in my case studies). > > I will present individual case studies also, for which I am searching for reliable data which could not be challenged as my manipulations. 100% impartiality and 100% scientific approach towards astrology proves Suryasiddhanta and BPHS to be 100% correct. It does not mean other approaches are wrong, because Suryasiddhanta in Ganita and BPHS in phalita are only surviving apaurusheya or Rishi-made texts which treat astrology comprehensively (Jaimini Sutra is incomplete : only two chapters are extant, while 98 chapters of BPHS have survived out of original 100. All other approaches are later developments which owe their correctness to Suryasiddhanta and BPHS, and related texts. No single text contains complete Suryasiddhanta or complete BPHS. Much has been lost during millenia of transmission, and their are interpolations too. Other texts help us in reconstruction of Vedic-puranic tradition of Jyotisha whose mainstay is Suryasiddhanta in Ganita and BPHS in > phalita. > > -Vinay Jha. > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > vattem krishnan <bursar_99 > > > Wednesday, June 3, 2009 1:44:05 PM > Re: Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > Dear Vinay Ji,Arjun Ji and all senior members, > Surya Siddhanta being a classical approach we have no doubts in it's reliability or being made as a base for several Almanacs in the country. > The laudable effort of Shri Vinayaji lies in making it's application internet savy and also considers munadane applications as it's obejectivity guiding the all human beings in the welfare of the state. > I know individual chart have their own inconsistencies in what ever way we derive through physical movements of planets as is being done or otherwise. > Now Ayanamsa that comes to fore basically on account physical movement of planets can not be neagated till some more as we get access to case charts and study difference between two obvious approaches.Fortunat ely we have Mercury at last turning direct that helps every one of us in saving our time as issues are likely to be less misunderstood or no effort to think only interms of read between lines. > case studies are always of immense value as it provides an opportunity to understand in great details. > Astrologer,after all need data and it's dissemination interms of planetary results.We alway find people rushing to Astrologers but interpretation given were always interrogated in terms of consistency. This is where our mutaul perspectives and understanding of the basic principles of jyotish will help us > vrkrishnan > > --- On Tue, 6/2/09, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > wrote: > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > > Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 9:35 PM > > dear vinayji > > firstly i appreciate your approach to the audience by furnishing them with case studies. your seeking shortcomings and suggestions for improvement is the positive spirit of a researcher. > > since i learnt astrology in north india and studied most texts only in hindi and sanskrit, let me also inform the audience that surya siddhanta is the base for almost all panchangas in the cow belt including the government of india published one. this makes surya siddhanta as an accepted base of astronomy and we find its references as bases in MANY government of india websites and scientific organisations that gauge astronomy and are involved into panchanga. > > if i read the initial reaction mails to yours earlier, the audience felt the base of your software viz. surya siddhanta as something cooked in your kitchen or picked from some remote corner not familiar and accepted elsewhere. am aware that most kashi pandits (astrologers) and BHU uses this surya siddhanta. if other softwares base on something else in other geographies, it is fine but they shall not find surya siddhanta as alien and unacceptable. > > the modern audience with vast resources of internt available at fingertips, would be convinced not by telling from our mouth but by furnishing them the accepted published references, substantiations and corroborations. accordingly, you are requested to publish the names of all government of india organisations and publications that clearly mention surya siddhanta as their base for astronomy and also for panchanga forecast so that natives find it easier to get convinced about the acceptance of the surya siddhanta in the first place. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraksahremedy .com > > , " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > > To All : > > > > 20 Case Studies have been placed at Click_Here > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Annual+Rains+ -2+%3A+Worst+ Years> > > . Ten best and ten worst years in the recorded history of Indian > > Monsoons have been astrologically analyzed according to easiest and > > basic rules of individual horodcopy, esp of Parashara (BPHS). Comparison > > of Suryasiddhantic and modern astronomical charts have been carried out. > > > > Please point out the shortcomings. I will try to improve the > > presentation according to suggestions. > > > > Four individual case studies of Death are Click_Here > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Prediction+ of+Death> . > > > > One individual case study of Brain Damage is Click_Here > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Brain+Damage> . > > > > One case study of Aircraft Crash is Click_Here > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Aircraft+ Crash+AF447> , which is > > a summary of 18 detailed mundane charts. > > > > In addition to these 26 case studies, I will try to put more. > > > > -Vinay Jha > > ============ ======= ===== > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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