Guest guest Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 Dear Jagdish, I browsed Margarita Lettens French translations of the lessons, and the twelve house does relate to mokhsa. So yes, I believe, you can apply KAS principles to moksha. However, since moksha appears to me to be a deep subject, a long life undertaking, I believe Dasha would only show periods of " developments " , not of " attainment " . I sometimes wonder what the Rishis would tell us if they would " come back " : would they feel they " understand everything " ? This seems to me, however, out of the scope of astrology (although!). But still, Rishis deserve our deepest respect. Krushna does transmit us one of them wisdom. We must be grateful to him to do so! ;-) Hoping I am not bringing confusion to the matter! -- Best regards, François , " upaoakcrest " <upaoakcrest wrote: > > Respected Sir Ash and List Members > > > If we need to see whether a person will get moksha or not then should > we check DBCE points for 12th house (house B)? If it is in increasing > order then can we say that this person will get Moksha ? > > > Best Wishes > > Jagdish > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 What if 7 out of 9 major planets lie in 3rd, 6th, and 11th house. For eg: Sagittarius lagna rising. 3rd house: Jupiter and Moon 6th house: Ketu 11th house: Sun, Mercury, Mars, Venus. The rest saturn in 7th New Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC for low, low rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2006 Report Share Posted April 1, 2006 Dear Jagdish, > May be i am wrong, but as far i know 12th house is considered the most > benefic house in KAS ( which makes 6th house most malefic house). I do not think that 12th is the most benefic one. It is benefic. > So if 12th house ( taking it as house B) has DBCE in increasing order. > So what kind of conclusion can be made ? > > 12th house is house of Moksha (unattachment to those thing which gives > pleasure to our sense, i am taking this definition) as well as house of > pleasure (body pleasure). > > So what can be said from 'Moksha' point of view and from > 'Flesh-Pleasure' point of view if 12th house has DBCE in increasing order > ? There is some logic in your text according to KAS principles ie. 12th is enhanced. However, my understanding is that different aspects/meanings of 12th should be aditionaly studied/confirmed from D-charts. all the best, Dadhi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2006 Report Share Posted April 1, 2006 Dear Dadhi, Let me share my little understanding that I have gathered about 12th house. One thing lets keep symmetry of a birth chart in mind. 6th house is the most malefic house , by virtue of that 12th house will become the most benefic. If Guru exalts in Cancer then it will debilitate in 7th hosue from it in Capricorn. Similarly for Mars if it sign exalts in Capricorn it will debilitate in 7th house from it in Cancer. If 1st is self then 7th is partner and spouse. If 9th if father then 7th from that is mother i.e 3rd house. So based on that logic if we are saying that 6th is most malefic then by virtue of that 12th house becomes most benefic. Another thing, as per KAS not to mix 12th house of Rasi chart with 12th house of D charts. Planets in 6th, 8th and 12th in D charts are not good. The same is not true for Rasi. Say in Dashaansa 5th lord is in 12th then such a person might misuse authority in work. Again this is restricted to the focus of area of D chart that d chart denotes. The word Moksha, different people have different opinion. Moksh as we call means pleasures. 12th house is that of pleasures and of all kind. 4th house is that of knowledge and happiness and its also a moksh sthan. 4th house is C for 12th. 8th house is also that of Moksh means its the Moksh trikon. 12th house is C for 8th. So maybe one might start to relate C as the next generation of 8th or say " After death " . Here Moksh means pleasures. Death is considred the most auspicious event and House C or 12th has the same nakshatras. So Moksh can also be pleasures of all type and right here and in this life time. 12th house is also Dhan sthan of 11th and success. Cheers !!! Ash , " Dadhi " <dadhi wrote: > > Dear Jagdish, > > > > May be i am wrong, but as far i know 12th house is considered the most > > benefic house in KAS ( which makes 6th house most malefic house). > > > I do not think that 12th is the most benefic one. It is benefic. > > > > So if 12th house ( taking it as house B) has DBCE in increasing order. > > So what kind of conclusion can be made ? > > > > 12th house is house of Moksha (unattachment to those thing which gives > > pleasure to our sense, i am taking this definition) as well as house of > > pleasure (body pleasure). > > > > So what can be said from 'Moksha' point of view and from > > 'Flesh-Pleasure' point of view if 12th house has DBCE in increasing order > > ? > > > There is some logic in your text according to KAS principles ie. 12th is enhanced. > However, my understanding is that different aspects/meanings of 12th should be aditionaly studied/confirmed from D-charts. > > all the best, > Dadhi > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2006 Report Share Posted April 1, 2006 Dear Jagdish, If DBCE points or 3:6:10:11 points are rising from 12th house means Karaktwa denoted by 12th house will be graceful. Cheers !!! Ash , " upaoakcrest " <upaoakcrest wrote: > > Respected Sir Ash and List Members > > > If we need to see whether a person will get moksha or not then should > we check DBCE points for 12th house (house B)? If it is in increasing > order then can we say that this person will get Moksha ? > > > Best Wishes > > Jagdish > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2006 Report Share Posted April 1, 2006 Dear Fracois, Moksh can also be pleasures in this life time itself. 12th house is that of pleasures. Yes it is also C for 8th house as B. So that way people might related to next generation after death. But 12th house is that of pleasures and extacy in this lifetime too. That is straight forward. Cheers !!! Ash , François Carrière <shaula001 wrote: > > Dear Jagdish, > > I browsed Margarita Lettens French translations of the lessons, and > the twelve house does relate to mokhsa. So yes, I believe, you can > apply KAS principles to moksha. > > However, since moksha appears to me to be a deep subject, a long life > undertaking, I believe Dasha would only show periods > of " developments " , not of " attainment " . I sometimes wonder what the > Rishis would tell us if they would " come back " : would they feel > they " understand everything " ? > > This seems to me, however, out of the scope of astrology (although!). > But still, Rishis deserve our deepest respect. Krushna does transmit > us one of them wisdom. We must be grateful to him to do so! ;-) > > Hoping I am not bringing confusion to the matter! > > -- > Best regards, > François > > , " upaoakcrest " > <upaoakcrest@> wrote: > > > > Respected Sir Ash and List Members > > > > > > If we need to see whether a person will get moksha or not then > should > > we check DBCE points for 12th house (house B)? If it is in > increasing > > order then can we say that this person will get Moksha ? > > > > > > Best Wishes > > > > Jagdish > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2006 Report Share Posted April 1, 2006 Dear Dadhi, I will write a more detailed mail later on but I just wanted to say something here. In the 2nd mail that u quoted from Krushaji ..... There 12th lord is not 12th lord of chart but 12th lord from House B. Please do not confused this issues. If 7th lord is with 6th lord then there are problems w.r.t 7th house, if 4th lord is SD to 3rd lord then there might be problems w.r.t 4th house etc. Means if a planet is SD to 12th lord means 12th lord form the house concerned i.e 12th from B then it might not give result. That is the essence of that email. Please do not make confusion on that vital point. I am just enclosing the mail below. Rest all question are very nice and I will write in detail about them in next posts. Cheers !!! Ash 1971 krushanain Thu Jun 28, 2001 10:02pm Re: Revision dEAR LIST MEMBERS, Revision Any planet, which is strongest in the worksheet, do not give the result for the house concerned, if 1) have any relationship with the 12th lord. 2) If gets points due to the sight of 12th lord from any house. 3) if 12th lord from any house is situated in the 4th place from such planet. 4) if the 12th lord is situated with such planet. 5) if the strongest planet is in the navamansha of 12th lord from the house concerned. 6) If such planet is situated in the sign or constellation ruled by 12th lord from the house concerned. 7) lords of house D or E are more eager to give the result. ( if there is no delay indicated) , " Dadhi " <dadhi wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > Thanks for sharing your understanding regarding 12th house. > > There is some sound logic in your presentation, but unfortunately I could not find any words from lessons or Krushnaji to confirm this. > > What I found is: > > - > > > 12th lord enhances the results of the house it is situated. > If it is with more points, it gives much better result. Even if it is > with less points, it gives good result. Suppose if the 12th lord is > situated in 4th house, with less points, Person do not have his own > house, but he gets all the happiness from family. He may live in a > rented house, or there may be condition, that he may not be able to > sell the same, any time at his will. If with more points he can have > his own house. > Similarly if any planet is situated in 12th house, it will > give much better result in it's sub. > Similar is the case, with 8th lord. It may give better > result for the house it is situated, with less efforts. > These things are to be experienced form many charts. I > agree, in the text, these houses are not considered as good houses, > and there lord is also treated in similar way. Any planet in 8th with > more points, can not give marriage in it's sub. But if any planet is > situated in 12th it gives marriage or some times extra marital > relation, or friendship with opposite sex. > I would like to request you, to check these results, every > chart is having 8th and 12th lord, and must be situated in some > house. If in any case if the results are spoiled may not be due to > these planets, there must be some other reason. > If any planet gets more points in 8th house, may experience > health problem, or death, or similar situation, in the sub of that > planet. Here it may not be the 8th lord, it may be any planet. > > > > 1971 > > krushanain > > Thu Jun 28, 2001 10:02pm > > Re: Revision > > > dEAR LIST MEMBERS, > > Revision > > Any planet, which is strongest in the worksheet, do not > > give the result for the house concerned, if > > 1) have any relationship with the 12th lord. > > 2) If gets points due to the sight of 12th lord from any house. > > 3) if 12th lord from any house is situated in the 4th place from such > > planet. > > 4) if the 12th lord is situated with such planet. > > 5) if the strongest planet is in the navamansha of 12th lord from the > > house concerned. > > 6) If such planet is situated in the sign or constellation ruled by > > 12th lord from the house concerned. > > 7) lords of house D or E are more eager to give the result. ( if > > there is no delay indicated) > > > > -------------------------------- > > > > > > My impression is just that 12th house or lord is not THE MOST benefic, but certainly very benefic. It would be also nice (if you have time, of course) to present some charts to confirm your words. > > > > OTOH, I have found (in archives) that Venus for example in 12th (with more points) would mean that the person indulges in prohibited acts. > > > > So, you are right about pleasures. Saturn for example is not good in 12th regarding bed confort, but is good regarding reputation. > ----------------------- > > > > Regarding Moksha, I think that Jagdish refers here (correct me Jagdish if I am wrong), to spirituality and spiritual life in general. And for that, we know that this area is connected with 2nd and 5th houses, and 9th and 12th lords are karakas (it is somewhere in archives....as far as I remember). And also, Krushnaji states somewhere that spiritual plane is connected to 3,6,9 and 12th houses. > > > > But, how to apply this - no example is shown and I can not comment further. > Another thing, as per KAS not to mix 12th house of Rasi chart with > > 12th house of D charts. > > > > Planets in 6th, 8th and 12th in D charts are not good. The same is > > not true for Rasi. > > > > Say in Dashaansa 5th lord is in 12th then such a person might misuse > > authority in work. Again this is restricted to the focus of area of > > D chart that d chart denotes. > > > > > > I did not think that one should mix 12th house of Rashi with 12th house of D charts. > > > > Yes, you are right that we should see the focus of area of D- chart... > > > > So, regarding Moksha, that might be difficult subject matter, but as per standard jyotisha, Navamsha is much connected with punya and should have some saying regarding spirituality or dharma. In many charts of persons seriously interested in spiritual life, I've seen 12th lord is mostly posited in Navamsha in dusthana house or placed with similar planets. > > > > > > all the best, > > Dadhi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2006 Report Share Posted April 1, 2006 Dear Dadhi and List Members, Let me try to explain the same using the triplicity i.e. Dharm, Arth, Kam and Moksh. Dharm Trikon = 1st, 5th and 9th Arth Trikon = 2nd, 6th and 10th Kam Trikon = 3rd, 7th and 11th Moksh Trikon = 4th, 8th and 12th. I shall just make a some clarifications to what we mean when we refer to Dharm and Moksh as per KAS. When we mention Dharm here we are refering to " Gun " or property of the person. So for example if the dharm trikon is weak then it might mean that such a person might be cruel or doing things that might not be acceptable to society etc. Here Dharm does NOT mean relegion. Moksh when we refer to as per KAS we mean pleasures etc in this life time only. Nothing to do with life after death etc. As per standard texts its said 5th and 9th and 1st lords antras are good. As per KAS we are saying 12th as B so LoD and LoE are 9th and 5th lords. So in antra of 9th and 5th lord one gets enjoyment and pleasures. So here 12th house is activating. Consider 2nd Moksh sthan of 8th house. LoD and LoE for 8th are 1st and 5th lords. Again 2 dharm sthan lords. Lets consider 3rd Moksh sthan of 4th house and LoD and LoE are 9th and 1st again 2 dharm sthan lords. So its clear that Dharm are eager to give Moksh. Now lets go w.r.t. Karak. For Dham sthan, Moksh sthan is Karak. for 1st house (dharm sthan), 8th house is karak (Moksh), for 5th house (dharm) Moksh sthan 12th is karak and for 9th house (dharm) Moksh sthan 4th house is Karak. So its clear that For Dharm, Moksh is karak. Lets take 1st house so Dharm sthan so Karak is Moksh (8th house) and 6th and 10th i.e. Arth sthan are LoD and LoE. So for Dharm sthan, Arth sthan lords are eager and Karak is Moksh. So for 1st, 5th and 9th. For Arth sthan, Dharm Sthan is Karak and LoD and LoE are Kam sthan lords. For Moksh sthan, Kam sthan is Karak and LoD and LoE are Dharm sthan lords. For Dharm sthan, Moksh sthan is karak and LoD and LoE are Arth sthan lord. For Kam sthan, Arth sthan is Karak and LoD and LoE are Moksh sthan. This is the basic of KAS i.e. the theory portion. 12th house is the most poweful Moksh sthan as its 12th from 1st who is SELF. One then is the basis of the other. So If u apply the same above then Karak for Dharm is Moksh, Karak for Moksh is Kam, karak for Kam is Arth and karak for Arth dharm. So if 12th house is B then Karak is 7th house which is A. So 7th is the base for next generation. For that is dependent on Arth sthan 2nd and 2nd is depndent on 9th which is Dharm sthan and Dharm sthan is dependent on moksh sthan 4th house. I hope its clear now. 12th house is that of pleasures and all kinds of pleasures. Strongest of Moksh trikon. So when planets are placed in 12th house the house ruled by those planets are enhanced and we say that the house where 12th lords goes and sits then that house results are enhanced. Here Result means quality. Not timing. Similarly for 8th lord. Again all this might be against the normal understanding of 8th and 12th house which are treated as malefic. This is for Rasi chart only. Now coming to D charts then each chart given by maharishi is for particular aspect of life. Saptaamsa is for progency, Dashansa is for career or 10th house related, Charuramsa is for happiness assets 4th house matters etc. So if in these d charts when planets are placed in Trik sthan i.e 6th, 8th and 12th house i.e. in D charts then its not good. The status of karak reduces. For example if 5th lord of Rasi is placed in 6th or 8th or 10th house in Dashsna i.e .Karak of 10th house in Rasi i.e. 5th lord and its placed in 6th or 8th or 12th house of D chart then the status is reduced. Also do not confuse 12th lord from B. Maybe over the years 12th lord from B got confused with 12th lord of chart ..... who knows... but as per KAS we are saying that 12th house from B is not condusive to House B result. Hope this helps, Cheers !!! Ash ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Dadhi, I will write a more detailed mail later on but I just wanted to say something here. In the 2nd mail that u quoted from Krushaji ..... There 12th lord is not 12th lord of chart but 12th lord from House B. Please do not confused this issues. If 7th lord is with 6th lord then there are problems w.r.t 7th house, if 4th lord is SD to 3rd lord then there might be problems w.r.t 4th house etc. Means if a planet is SD to 12th lord means 12th lord form the house concerned i.e 12th from B then it might not give result. That is the essence of that email. Please do not make confusion on that vital point. I am just enclosing the mail below. Rest all question are very nice and I will write in detail about them in next posts. Cheers !!! Ash 1971 krushanain Thu Jun 28, 2001 10:02pm Re: Revision dEAR LIST MEMBERS, Revision Any planet, which is strongest in the worksheet, do not give the result for the house concerned, if 1) have any relationship with the 12th lord. 2) If gets points due to the sight of 12th lord from any house. 3) if 12th lord from any house is situated in the 4th place from such planet. 4) if the 12th lord is situated with such planet. 5) if the strongest planet is in the navamansha of 12th lord from the house concerned. 6) If such planet is situated in the sign or constellation ruled by 12th lord from the house concerned. 7) lords of house D or E are more eager to give the result. ( if there is no delay indicated) , " Dadhi " wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > Thanks for sharing your understanding regarding 12th house. > > There is some sound logic in your presentation, but unfortunately I could not find any words from lessons or Krushnaji to confirm this. > > What I found is: > > - > > > 12th lord enhances the results of the house it is situated. > If it is with more points, it gives much better result. Even if it is > with less points, it gives good result. Suppose if the 12th lord is > situated in 4th house, with less points, Person do not have his own > house, but he gets all the happiness from family. He may live in a > rented house, or there may be condition, that he may not be able to > sell the same, any time at his will. If with more points he can have > his own house. > Similarly if any planet is situated in 12th house, it will > give much better result in it's sub. > Similar is the case, with 8th lord. It may give better > result for the house it is situated, with less efforts. > These things are to be experienced form many charts. I > agree, in the text, these houses are not considered as good houses, > and there lord is also treated in similar way. Any planet in 8th with > more points, can not give marriage in it's sub. But if any planet is > situated in 12th it gives marriage or some times extra marital > relation, or friendship with opposite sex. > I would like to request you, to check these results, every > chart is having 8th and 12th lord, and must be situated in some > house. If in any case if the results are spoiled may not be due to > these planets, there must be some other reason. > If any planet gets more points in 8th house, may experience > health problem, or death, or similar situation, in the sub of that > planet. Here it may not be the 8th lord, it may be any planet. > > > > 1971 > > krushanain > > Thu Jun 28, 2001 10:02pm > > Re: Revision > > > dEAR LIST MEMBERS, > > Revision > > Any planet, which is strongest in the worksheet, do not > > give the result for the house concerned, if > > 1) have any relationship with the 12th lord. > > 2) If gets points due to the sight of 12th lord from any house. > > 3) if 12th lord from any house is situated in the 4th place from such > > planet. > > 4) if the 12th lord is situated with such planet. > > 5) if the strongest planet is in the navamansha of 12th lord from the > > house concerned. > > 6) If such planet is situated in the sign or constellation ruled by > > 12th lord from the house concerned. > > 7) lords of house D or E are more eager to give the result. ( if > > there is no delay indicated) > > > > -------------------------------- > > > > > > My impression is just that 12th house or lord is not THE MOST benefic, but certainly very benefic. It would be also nice (if you have time, of course) to present some charts to confirm your words. > > > > OTOH, I have found (in archives) that Venus for example in 12th (with more points) would mean that the person indulges in prohibited acts. > > > > So, you are right about pleasures. Saturn for example is not good in 12th regarding bed confort, but is good regarding reputation. > ----------------------- > > > > Regarding Moksha, I think that Jagdish refers here (correct me Jagdish if I am wrong), to spirituality and spiritual life in general. And for that, we know that this area is connected with 2nd and 5th houses, and 9th and 12th lords are karakas (it is somewhere in archives....as far as I remember). And also, Krushnaji states somewhere that spiritual plane is connected to 3,6,9 and 12th houses. > > > > But, how to apply this - no example is shown and I can not comment further. > Another thing, as per KAS not to mix 12th house of Rasi chart with > > 12th house of D charts. > > > > Planets in 6th, 8th and 12th in D charts are not good. The same is > > not true for Rasi. > > > > Say in Dashaansa 5th lord is in 12th then such a person might misuse > > authority in work. Again this is restricted to the focus of area of > > D chart that d chart denotes. > > > > > > I did not think that one should mix 12th house of Rashi with 12th house of D charts. > > > > Yes, you are right that we should see the focus of area of D- chart... > > > > So, regarding Moksha, that might be difficult subject matter, but as per standard jyotisha, Navamsha is much connected with punya and should have some saying regarding spirituality or dharma. In many charts of persons seriously interested in spiritual life, I've seen 12th lord is mostly posited in Navamsha in dusthana house or placed with similar planets. > > > > > > all the best, > > Dadhi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2006 Report Share Posted April 3, 2006 Dear Ash, Thank you for long and (as always) informative explanation regarding Dharma, Artha, Kama and Moksha houses. I have few observations: 1. it is clear that Dharma houses are lords of D and E for Moksha houses. Isn't in itself a proof that 1th, 5th and 9th lords (and houses) are actually benefic? Or you think that due to being karaka for Dharma houses, Moksha houses (and 12th particulary) are better? 2. Kama houses, specially 7th and 3rd, are connected with 12th as LoD and LoE. From this I can understand that Moksha house, 12th, is connected with pleasures. My question in previous letter was connected with spirituality. Any comment on this aspect? > Now coming to D charts then each chart given by maharishi is for > particular aspect of life. Saptaamsa is for progency, Dashansa is for > career or 10th house related, Charuramsa is for happiness assets 4th house > matters etc. > > So if in these d charts when planets are placed in Trik sthan i.e 6th, > 8th and 12th house i.e. in D charts then its not good. The status of > karak reduces. > > For example if 5th lord of Rasi is placed in 6th or 8th or 10th house in > Dashsna i.e .Karak of 10th house in Rasi i.e. 5th lord and its placed in > 6th or 8th or 12th house of D chart then the status is reduced. 3. We are talking (in this tread) about Moksha. Would you define any D-chart regarding Moksha? > Also do not confuse 12th lord from B. Maybe over the years 12th lord from > B got confused with 12th lord of chart ..... who knows... but as per KAS > we are saying that 12th house from B is not condusive to House B result. 4. I do not do that. However, if 1st house is B, than 12th house is not condusive to house B results. Since 1st house is lagna and well known as most important one per standard jyotish books, would you like to explain why 12th from lagna is different than from some other house? > 12th house is that of pleasures and all kinds of pleasures. Strongest of > Moksh trikon. So when planets are placed in 12th house the house ruled by > those planets are enhanced and we say that the house where 12th lords goes > and sits then that house results are enhanced. Here Result means quality. > Not timing. Now, when planets are in 12th house - this just contradicts what Krushnaji wrote and I repeated in my last mail with Venus and Saturn as examples. I understand that 12th lord in particular bhava gives good results, but from few examples in archives it seems that there are aditional conditions for a planet in 12th to manifest only good results. Do you agree on that? Thanks again for nice and lenghty explanation, all the best, Dadhi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2006 Report Share Posted April 3, 2006 Dear Dadhi, I shall answer in CAPS. Dadhi <dadhi wrote: Dear Ash, Thank you for long and (as always) informative explanation regarding Dharma, Artha, Kama and Moksha houses. I have few observations: 1. it is clear that Dharma houses are lords of D and E for Moksha houses. Isn't in itself a proof that 1th, 5th and 9th lords (and houses) are actually benefic? Or you think that due to being karaka for Dharma houses, Moksha houses (and 12th particulary) are better? ASH: I HAVE EXPLAINED W.R.T KAS THAT 1ST, 5TH AND 9TH LORDS ARE CONSIDERED BENEFIC AS THEY ARE ALL TRIGGERING MOKSH STHAN. CAN YOU GIVE CONCRETE REASONING AS TO WHY ARE 1ST, 5TH AND 9TH HOUSE CONSIDERED BENEFIC? WHY ARE TRINES BENEFIC? 2. Kama houses, specially 7th and 3rd, are connected with 12th as LoD and LoE. From this I can understand that Moksha house, 12th, is connected with pleasures. My question in previous letter was connected with spirituality. Any comment on this aspect? ASH : ACTUALLY ALL HOUSES ARE LINKED TO EACH OTHER. JUST STUDY KARAK. 1ST IS KARAK FOR 6TH, 6TH IS KARAK FOR 11TH, 11TH IS KARAK FOR 4TH, 4TH IS KARAK FOR 9TH, 9TH IS KARAK FOR 2ND, 2ND IS KARAK FOR 7TH, 7TH IS KARAK FOR 12TH, 12TH IS KARAK FOR 5TH, 5TH IS KARAK FOR 10TH, 10TH IS KARAK FOR 3RD, 3RD IS KARAK FOR 8TH AND FINALLY 8TH IS KARAK FOR 1ST. LET ME ASK YOU, WHAT IS SPIRITUALITY IN YOUR OPINION? HOW DO U DEFINE IT, AND WHAT ARE THE ATRIBUTES OF A SPIRITUAL PERSON? ONCE WE ARE CLEAR ON THAT WE CAN DISUCSS CAUSE THESE ARE ALL SUBJECTIVE MATTERS AND WE NEED TO BE ON THE SAME PAGE. > Now coming to D charts then each chart given by maharishi is for > particular aspect of life. Saptaamsa is for progency, Dashansa is for > career or 10th house related, Charuramsa is for happiness assets 4th house > matters etc. > > So if in these d charts when planets are placed in Trik sthan i.e 6th, > 8th and 12th house i.e. in D charts then its not good. The status of > karak reduces. > > For example if 5th lord of Rasi is placed in 6th or 8th or 10th house in > Dashsna i.e .Karak of 10th house in Rasi i.e. 5th lord and its placed in > 6th or 8th or 12th house of D chart then the status is reduced. 3. We are talking (in this tread) about Moksha. Would you define any D-chart regarding Moksha? ASH: LEAVE THIS FOR NOW. WE CAN TALK ON D CHARTS ONCE WE GET LESSONS FROM KRUSHNAJI. > Also do not confuse 12th lord from B. Maybe over the years 12th lord from > B got confused with 12th lord of chart ..... who knows... but as per KAS > we are saying that 12th house from B is not condusive to House B result. 4. I do not do that. However, if 1st house is B, than 12th house is not condusive to house B results. Since 1st house is lagna and well known as most important one per standard jyotish books, would you like to explain why 12th from lagna is different than from some other house? ASH : WHAT IS 1ST HOUSE? WHEN WE SAY AS PER KAS THAT IF 1ST HOUSE HAS 32 BINDUS THEN HE OR SHE IS STUBBORN AND MORE THAN 34 BINDUS THE PERSON MIGHT EVEN BE VERY EGOSITIC, UNCOMPROMISING ETC. WE SAY GURU IN LAGNA WITH MORE BINDUS ALSO MAKES A PERSON HYPOCRATIC ETC ETC ETC. WHAT IS 1ST HOUSE THEN? ITS TO DO WITH SELF. EGO ALSO. WHAT IS 12TH HOUSE? IT DEALS WITH LOSS OF SELF OR THE " I " . I GUESS SPIRITUALUALITY SAY THAT TO GET RID OF AHANKAR OR EGO? I THINK IT WAS IN DEEPAK CHOPRAS BOOK 7 LAWS OF SPIRITUALITY I HAD READ ONE OF THE LAWS WAS DETACHMENT. AGAIN ALL THIS HAS TO DO WITH GETTING RID OF THE " I " ELEMENT ETC. I MEAN FOR EXAMPLE THE 7 LAWS GIVEN IN THAT BOOK ARE AND WE LOOK AT IT FROM KAS VIEW POINT AND OUR UNDERSTANDING OF 12TH HOUSE 1. The Law of Pure Potentiality ASH : 12TH FROM 1ST. 2. The Law of Giving ASH : 12TH HOUSE DEALS WITH LOSSES AND ALSO GIVINGS 3. The Law of Karma ASH : IT IS MOOK KARAK STHAN FOR 10TH HOUSE OR ROOT KARAK. 4. The Law of Least Effort ASH : IT IS KARAK FOR 5TH HOUSE AND 5TH HOUSE DEALS WITH LUCK AND LOTTERIES ETC MEANS GETTING STUFF WITH LEAST EFFORT. 5. The Law of Intention and Desire ASH : IN ANTRA OF 12TH LORD, YOU JUST SAID THAT 3RD AND 7TH TRIGGER AND AS PER KAS 12TH HOUSE IS D FOR 3RD AND E FOR 7TH. BOTH ARE KAMA HOUSES. 6. The Law of Detachment ASH : IT IS 12TH FROM 1ST OR SELF. VAIRAGYA 7. The Law of Dharma ASH : IT IS THE KARAK FOR DHARMA STHAN. I.E. KARAK FOR 5TH HOUSE. SO HERE I GUESS I TOOK THIS EXAMPLE OF BOOK OF DEEPAK CHOPRA AS HE KINDA SUMMARISES THIS OUTLOOK TO SPIRITUALITY. SIMILARLY YOU CAN CHECK OTHER BOOKS OR UNDERSTANDINGS OF A GURU FOR SUCH MATTERS AND THINK OVER IT FROM KAS VIEW POINT. WE ARE COVERING ALL SUCH THINGS DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY. > 12th house is that of pleasures and all kinds of pleasures. Strongest of > Moksh trikon. So when planets are placed in 12th house the house ruled by > those planets are enhanced and we say that the house where 12th lords goes > and sits then that house results are enhanced. Here Result means quality. > Not timing. Now, when planets are in 12th house - this just contradicts what Krushnaji wrote and I repeated in my last mail with Venus and Saturn as examples. I understand that 12th lord in particular bhava gives good results, but from few examples in archives it seems that there are aditional conditions for a planet in 12th to manifest only good results. Do you agree on that? ASH : HERE WE ARE TALKING OF QUALITY. ARE U TALKING ABOUT TIMING OF EVENT OF QUALITY OF EVENT? WE GOT WS WHICH AS U KNOW CONSIDERS ALL PLANETS, LOD AND LOE, A+B+C, EFFECTS OF 12TH FROM B, ASPECTS ON ABC HOUSE AND LORD ETC. AFTER THAT WE GET TOTAL POWER OF A PLANET FOR A HOUSE. AS PER KAS WE ARE SAYING THAT WHEN A PLANET HAS MORE THAN 12 POINTS FOR A HOUSE IT MEANS THAT ONE CAN TIME EVENTS OR SAY MORE AUSPICIOUS EVENTS. NOW ABOUT LOD AND LOE ITS DIFFERENT. EVEN IF THEY HAVE LESS POINTS IN WS BUT STILL THEY WILL FURNISH TIMING AS THEY ACT AS PER LORD. SO THAT IS ALSO GIVEN / COVERED. SO IRRESPECTIVE OF HOW MANY POINTS 12TH LORD HAS, IF ANTRA OF 12TH HOUSE IS RUNNING IT WILL TRIGGER 3RD AND 7TH MEANS DESIRES STANS. NOW LET ME EXPLAIN YOUR VENUS AND SHANI EXAMPLE. VE IS PLANET OF PASSION. SA IF IT ASPECTS VENUS OR CONJOINS OR SAY HAS INFLUENCE ON VENUS THEN IT WILL ENHANCE ITS BAD QUALITIES. SHANI IS ALSO REPRESENTS NEECHA VICHAR OR LOWER THINKING / THOUGHTS ETC AND SO IMAGINE A PLANET OF PASSION GETTING SUCH A FLAVOUR. NOW.. IF SAY SUCH A VENUS IS > 43DEG20 FROM SUN AND IN 12TH HOUSE WHERE IT NATURAL EXALTS MEANS IN KALPURUSH CHART PISCES IS 12TH HOUSE SO HERE THIS KIND OF VENUS WITH INFLUENCE OF SA AND IN A HOUSE OF 12TH MEANS SUCH RESULTS ARE ENHANCED EVEN MORE SO SUCH A PERSON MIGHT INDULGE INTO STUFF THAT MIGHT GIVE EXTREME RESULTS OR PLEASURES OR A HIGH ETC. SO WE ARE USING ALL THAT ONLY. ARNT WE? I DON'T THINK I HAVE SAID ANYTHING DIFFERENT TO WHAT WE HAVE DISCUSSED OVER YEARS. ONE OTHER THING, GOOD AND BAD IS OUR CLASSIFICATION AND THAT IS DEPENDENT ON DESH, KAAL AND PAATRA. SOME SAY DEATH IS BAD AND SOME SAY ITS GOOD. 8TH HOUSE IS SAME WAY, FOR THOSE WHO CONSIDER DEATH TO BE THE BEST EVENT, THEN FOR THEM 8TH HOUSE MIGHT BE A GOOD HOUSE AND FOR THOSE WHO CONSIDER DEATH TO BE A BAD EVENT THEN 8TH HOUSE IS BAD. ALL A MATTER OF OPINION AND THERE IS NO RIGHT OR WRONG. ITS JUST THAT WE SHOULD BE ON THE SAME PAGE SO THAT WE UNDERSTAND WHAT OTHERS MEAN BY GOOD OR BAD CAUSE GOOD FOR SOMEONE MIGHT BE BAD FOR THE OTHER AND VICE VERSA. CHEERS !!! ASH Thanks again for nice and lenghty explanation, all the best, Dadhi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2007 Report Share Posted June 25, 2007 Dear Member: " Swargaa " - Heavenly Bliss is within the ambit of astrological prediction because karma is involved in that; but moksha is definitely beyond the ambit of astrology. At most, astrology can say whether a horoscope has spiritual potential that can lead the native towards moksha. Moksha is attained only when all residual karmas are burnt. Lord Krishna (Our Blessed Lord) in His Voice Divine = the Bhagavat Gita says that by burning away the karmas with the fire of knowledge does one attain emancipation. Even good karma is a chain - it is a golden chain, still it is a bond! Evil karmas can be compared to iron shackles. Only one who can shake away even the gold chains can attain moksha. Meditation is definitely a good tool for moksha; it is through meditation that we conquer the higher states of mind and transcend the effects of our karma. We get Divine Wisdom and that power of Divine Knowledge burns away all karma and the jeevan (being) becomes jeevan muktha - one who is liberated from the cycle of birth and death even as he is living! Astrology can be used for timing the beginning of such endeavours; but it cannot predict whether a person will attain moksha. An Enlightened person transcends karma and planets have absolutely no control over one who has transcended his senses and karma, and is fully absorbed in Divine contemplation. Treating alike friend and foe, heat and cold, good and bad, and avoiding extremes of attitude (fasting rigorously or being a glutton, indulging in senses or depriving them forcefully), any person whatever his horoscope says, CAN ATTAIN MOKSHA. The only qualification required for beginning such a journey is " desire to attain that exalted state of moksha " . Then by carefully moulding the soul by balanced and moderate levels of gradually advancing meditation and Divind Contemplation, any aspirant can attain moksha. There is absolutely failure in this path; even if you happen to slip in reaching your goal, the attitudes you have cultivated and your meditative energies will follow you through successive births bringing you nearer the goal of moksha. This is what the Blessed Lord says in Bhagavat Gita. Have the attitude of a drowning person while seeking moksha....i.e. have no choice; have that urgency to reach the shore away from the ocean of samsaaraa. You cannot attain moksha unless you have that " attitude " . Long for Divine Communion just as a drowning man would long for that short gasp of air when he is immersed in the swirling waters! Lord will take charge of you if you have that sort of longingness. March on Hero! Blessed be. Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic astrology , " Edward " <our_friend_inertia wrote: > > Respected astrologers and group members: > > Having been born into a family who practices meditation, Moksha was > taught to me as the ultimate goal of life. Since Mercury's recent > transit through Gemini, my 12th house, I have been feeling a strong > pull to make spiritual progress lately. I feel I have been making a > lot of progress towards Moksha, but am wondering what the next phase > of Sade Sati will bring (Moon in Leo). > > Will it cause so many (perhaps negative) changes to my mind and > emotions I will have no choice but to attain moksha? > > Birth data: > May 3, 1982 > 12:00 PM > Niskayuna, NY > USA > > Is there a specific age one can see my attainment of liberation at, or > is this a question beyond the reach of astrology? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2009 Report Share Posted May 6, 2009 Sadar Prnam Mrutyunjay Tripathy, My friend ask to you reg Moksha for me , As per you mail regarding Moksha , you tell my friend according to my horoscope i must engages in Public service-like nursing, education or similary social welfare programme related to childerens and weaker sectiones of soceity. if i cannot engages in these programme , what i cannot acchieve the Moksha ? Pl tell me, In present janam , what i should do thus next janam i acchieve Moksha ? Please reply my Ouestation. My DOB detail. Name: Preeti Sethi Place:Tohana Time: 6.00 Am(+/-5 Minutes) DOb: 13.3.1979 Thanks Preeti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2009 Report Share Posted May 6, 2009 Dear friend, Moksha is a psychological status of end of questioning as well as end of germination of all sorts of desires, a sort of mature state of ego attained with the devotion and wisdom with the blessings of God or Mother nature. Since it and unconditional thing- depending upon no worldly conditions. Neither me nor Jyotish Vidya can be able to predict it. I humbly admit my ignorance, and very very sorry for it, if at any point of my writings, my statements gave some other meanings for you. With regards and best wishes, Mrutyunjay Tripathy , " preetichawala79 " <preetichawala79 wrote: > > Sadar Prnam Mrutyunjay Tripathy, > > My friend ask to you reg Moksha for me , As per you mail regarding Moksha , you tell my friend according to my horoscope i must engages in Public service-like nursing, education or similary social welfare programme related to childerens and weaker sectiones of soceity. if i cannot engages in these programme , what i cannot acchieve the Moksha ? > > Pl tell me, In present janam , what i should do thus next janam i acchieve Moksha ? Please reply my Ouestation. My DOB detail. > > > Name: Preeti Sethi > Place:Tohana > Time: 6.00 Am(+/-5 Minutes) > DOb: 13.3.1979 > > > > Thanks > Preeti > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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