Predictions vs Softwares 6/5- ON ganita not s/w

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Dear Vinay ji

 

u must remember clearly i said will give the result to any1 who can trust

 

IT IS NOT A TEST ON THE S/W but on the ganitha u say is unfailable.

i am not interested in testing s/ws. only the ganitha u want us to see.

 

AIA was only BLIND mine is visible with so much data did they give u any?

 

and u have a point that ppl may suspect a deal between u and me on these data

too so the one who can supply the answer later is neutral enuf

 

AND AS u r not a member from the times we r here

 

some of the members in AIA who torment EVERYONE IN EVERY GROUP

 

HAD RIDICULED MY SUCCESSFUL PREDICTION-FEED BACKS here and in VA

till date i have given predictions with a time frame I may go wrong i don't give

samples and to me privately foor more... to anyone i take the risk and out my

name at stake, but if i fail i acknowledge it and try to correct it

but when it comes out i thanked our rishies and their path to us, which is

eternal and valid for all times to come.

 

 

pl search any thread saying feedback/ thanks for feedback...

 

i had only thanked them for the subject and not my self

 

those ppl had said same thing I had posted both the questions and later the

answers also from different ID's well anyone can write to them and also check

their IP's FOR IT

 

i HAVE PUT IN NEARLY 32 YRS into the subject and don't need such cheap tricks

they had accused me, i came to groups only to encourage next generation

astrologers who want to learn and sharpen their skills as gratitude to the

subject and my gurus whotaught me each one teach one. the subject will live

longer

 

else this is no place to make money as they fel t i will monopolise this group

and throw pppl out and swindle ppl the same person who said to u that u will

today give free s/w and later will loot ppl

 

we know it is not true sint it and whatever is there now is free so why will

people pay and when Jhora is free no other s/w can really sell

 

IN UR CASE ALL I WANT is if u can show the examples in death as u said is

possible with 100% i can give u ONE MORE CLUE

 

the 1st one is the son of my mothers eldest sister

the last one is the daughter of my mothers youngest brother

 

my eldest aunt is 1937 -HER 1ST SON is born on 27/9/54 born my uncle 27/9/62

born is younger than me by a yr

 

also u may nt be aware that my eye sight is just 10-12% of normal people so it

takes a lot of my energy to do whatever work i do and i never will belittle

anyone else who is doing their work sincerely as u r doing.

 

BTW do u have any info on Albinism-lack of coloring pigmentation or Pandu [skin

this is there thru the bodu and inside our eyes also where color is there say

IRIS, Pretina, macula are all colorless

 

 

our village pundit had correctly predicted our hair, skin, complexion, iris with

great depth who was 793 kms away from chennai purely on birth data froma post

card sent to him

 

Prashant

 

 

 

 

 

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vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16

 

Wednesday, May 6, 2009 11:57:07 AM

Re: Predictions vs Softwares 6/5

 

 

 

 

 

Prashant Ji,

I am sorry to not that you either did not read my previous message or

deliberately ingored my point that blind quiz can test the astrologer

and not the software, because predictions are only partly based on

softwares.

 

If you did not read my previous message fully, please read it fully. I

made the mistake of predicting that this person died in MD:AD of Sat:Ven

(in last portion of Venus AD) which made you assume I am accepting this

blind quiz. I said earlier that I left AIA not due to persecution, but

due to their insistence that I must undergo only blind quiz, instead of

an open and faily objective method of testing which will have universal

validity. If you test Death of Napoleon, it can be published on a

website and everyone can check the result. But the results of a blind

test will have validity only for the examiner. Others may wonder about

the authenticity of data and may say that Vinay Jha had bribed Mr

Prashant to put forth a bogus blind quiz. I had sais in AIA and I am

repeating here that I will have to undergo 6 billion blind quizes to

convince 6 billion persons on Earth, when when they will die these

results will be forgotten. Blind quiz is a mere sharpening of one's

wits, it has no relevance to software testing. There are two scientific

methods of testing softwares :

 

Mundane astrology : annual economic or rain forecasts made from mesha

samkraanti charts, of past decades, which can be compared with official

data. It is a scientific method which everyone will have to believe in.

 

Individual horoscopy : strong events like death in horoscopes of

celebrities whose biographies are well researched and therefore the

results of tests will be believed by everyone.

 

Mundane astrology is a better method for comparing softwares, because

Suryasiddhantic Sun has a difference of 34' from physical Sun

now-a-days, which causes a difference of ~13 hours in time of mesha

samkraanti. Hence, there will be a difference of 6-7 raashis in lagna,

which is sufficient to compare Suryasiddhantic software with modern

physical softwares. Individual horoscopes having only 34' difference

will be hard to compare, esp when same Vimshottari year is used in both.

But it is possible to decide even in individual horoscopes. Four cases

of Death are sufficient to decide which method is correct, and more

cases may be added if need arises. But I will not waste my time over

blind quizes, because as I already mentioned even in the case given by

you I will have to analyze 4 annual charts, 37 monthly charts and 90

different combunations of Vimshottari Timings. Do you know how much time

will be involved ? And the result will be a private thing for your use

only, others may suspect I had supplied the data to you, or vice versa !

You are missing my statement that Prediction of Death can be done only

for short periods, eg 1-4 months, when someone is in critical condition.

Why you neglect the scientific method proposed by me, and insist on the

subjective method is not clear to me. If I start wasting my time over

blind zuizes, will you take the responsibility of updating Kundalee from

time to time. Why 136 years of rainfall data of IMD cannot be checked ?

Why 55 years of economic durvey data of GOI cannot be checked. You

simply neglect to answer these points, and insist on your blind quiz, in

spite of my statement that I left AIA not due to abuses, but due to

imposition of blind quizes on me. your deliberate neglect of scientific

and open method, and insistence on blind quiz makes me think you want

to get me out. If you are really sincere in testing, please read my

previous message again. If not, simply ask me to get out. I have no

interest in blind quizes. People may ask : What is the guarantee your

data is authentic ?

 

-Vinay jha

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, Prashant Kumar G B

<gbp_kumar@. ..> wrote:

>

> Dear Vinay ji

>

> thanks for the reply

>

> and partly understandung my points

>

> by persecution complex I meant u were tormented by AIA in many ways

we have not we r asking u doubts in a healthy manner only , that to to

l;ean, know

>

> we respect traditioinal wisdom and ppl like u who have put in a lot of

time which we can't -mainly access to such resources, time etc.

>

> here U REACTED WITH MEMBERS HERE AS U DO IN aia THAT IS WHAT I MEANT

BY FREQUENTLY SAYING U R MISTAKEN OR U R NOT INTERESTED ETC.

>

> so if u settle ur mind we can cover great distances on the subject

with all of us, but for time CONSTRAINTS ONLY I AM NOT TESTING UR S/W no

bias is inplied I have been telling u, members on time

>

> and also from Feb 20 to date so many relatives have died so the

mourning time can we do HOROSCOPE ANALYSIS tell me, how can i do such

things whatever has piled up in the gap from personal circles- friends,

relatives, cpaid readings etc get my time and moderating as usual

>

> about the cases I said it is not meant to test u or tease u

>

> i have clearly said i will send the data to anyone qhom u want me to u

can refer to them or they will post it directly to the group after u do

ur part

>

> if u want can suggest names like RRji, vattem krishna ji, arjun ji or

anyone whom u want also no problem but let him be part of the group to

know the dicsussion

>

> as u said the suryasiddhanta ganitha is 100% accurate in giving

results only we want to know such cases analysed

>

> I DON'T WANT TO TEST ANY S/W IT IS THE METHODS only

>

> I WILL GIVE U ALL LIFE EVENTS OF ANY CASE U WANT

>

> in this case 1

>

> 54 born at 18.02 hrs

> he was married on 9/2/80, a son was born on 29/12/83 at chatrapur in

Orrisa in mid afternoon. time not known we lost contact with the family

> the son is a engineer now with INFOSYS

>

> 27/9/62

>

> lost his mother on 17/11/75 at 8.30 am in Tuni

> MARIED ON 21/6/95, 7.50 HRS KAKINADA

> changed a job on 6/5/96 at 9 am, chennai

> went to kwait in march 97-june 97

> a 2nd daughter is born to him on 26/12/97 at 8.50 am rajamundry AP

> in betwen went to US for 30 months

> lost his father on 26/9/99 at 15.30 hrs rajamundry/ rajamahendri. ..

> hOUSE warming on 4/2/03 at 01.40 hrs chennai

>

> if u want more data can give u

>

> pl lremember i will never test, tease any fellow astrologer we want to

know the methods that u claim r 100$

>

> i have already said astrology is not such a field

> so don't doubt that part

>

> be patient we want to learn from whatever source it be.

> and more so from such a rich traditional path u said

>

> prashant

>

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> vinayjhaa16 vinayjhaa16@ ...

>

> Wednesday, May 6, 2009 1:22:35 AM

> Predictions vs Softwares

>

>

>

>

>

> Prashant Ji and others,

>

> Now I have recognized the reason why you think I am suffering from a

> persecution complex in spite of assurances from you ! It is also now

> clear to me what are your doubts and how you want to test. Thanks for

> opening your mind clearly. The bug lies in the belief in some minds

that

> I said I can predict 100% ( " " u say u can predict 100% " " ). Earlier,

> Rohini Ji also had such a misgiving, which I removed in my past

message

> which escaped your attention. I never claimed I can predict anything,

> 100% or 50% or even 1%. If people start believing that I am capable

of

> 100% prediction, my life will become a hell. Some of them may even try

> to install me instead of my software on their machines ! My website

says

> ( Is Perfect Prediction Possible?

> <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Phalit+%28Result s%29> ) :

>

> <<<<<

> As Arjuna told many times in MBh, outcome is a resultant of Praarabdha

> (Fate) and Purushaartha( Action). Purushaartha against Praarabdha is

> futile or less rewarding, and Praarabdha without Purushaartha will

give

> its fruits in next births. Accurate Prediction depends upon following

> factors :

> 1. Accurate Ganita or Software.

> 2. Accurate Phalita method.

> 3. Experience, because everything is not in books.

> 3. Fate of the astrologer and of the Yajamaana : if they are sinners

or

> if the astrologer has a poor astrologer's yogas in his own horoscope,

> predictions will be crude or wrong.

> 4. Karmas of this life, which modify the the horoscope.

> 5. Relations, family, etc.

> >>>>>

>

> You did not read How_to_Test_ Softwares?

> <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ How_to_Test_ Softwares% 3F>

It

> states :

>

> <<<<<

> Software has got nothing to do with predictions. It is ultimately the

> human brain that is involved in predicting the events. No software in

> the world can predict an event. A good astrologer makes good forecasts

> from a somewhat bad software, and a bad astrologer makes bad forecasts

> from a good software. Moreover, if some persons approve a software by

> means of blind quiz, how many persons in the world will value their

> verdict ? A blind quiz project is a good exercise for sharpening one's

> own astrological wits and nothing more, its results about any software

> will not be valued by others, who will try their own blind quizes. ...

> The method of evaluation must be objective and never subjective. A

blind

> quiz is a subjective method, and only the questioner knows true

answers,

> which others may disbelieve even if one passes such tests. ... The

data

> which is to be tested must be universally acceptable and easily

> accessible to everyone in the world. Hence, I propose horoscopes of

such

> figures like Napoleon, Nehru, Hitler, etc ought to be used for testing

> softwares and not of those persons whose data is not easlily

verifiable

> by everyone. Birthdata and events must be verifiable from independent

> and reliable sources. ... The aim should be clear from the start : if

> software based on physical astronomy is to be compared with

> Suryasiddhantic software, other things must not be allowed to creep

in.

> Astrological softwares must be evaluated solely on the basis of their

> astrological applicability.

> >>>>>

>

> I requested you to test softwares on the basis of universally

acceptable

> data, like those of Napoleon, Hitler, Nehru, Lincoln ( cf. Prediction

of

> Death <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Prediction+ of+Death>

). I

> have given the results of Kundalee software, other methods should be

> tried for these four (or more) events. this is the meaning of

comparing

> softwares. Such an open and fair comparison of softwares on well known

> data will be accepted by others. Instead, you started blind quiz. I

left

> AIA because they insisted on blind quiz and refused to test softwares

on

> the basis of well known data. These four events can be further

expanded,

> but the data should belong to well known persons whose birth time is

> well known and is not a private data of anyone.

>

> Now, let me address the blind quiz put forth by Prashant Ji. He has

> given some data, with birthtime 18:2 , which raises a doubt whether it

> is 18:20 or 18:02 ; and gives birthdata of a cousin born 41 years

after,

> which needs confirmation. Let me show how this data can be processed.

>

> The person with DOB 25 Sep 1954, 18:02 PM, Tuni AP, shows death in :

>

> Amshaayu 2008.69 , MD:AD = Sat:Ven

> Pindaayu 2056.28 , MD:AD = Ven:Sat

> Nisargaayu 2047.83 , MD:AD = Ven:Mar

>

> All three planets Saturn, Venus and Mars are killers in D1 and D30,

and

> they are relatives as well, excepting Mars in D1. hence, Nisargaayu is

> to be excluded. Among Sat:Ven and Ven:Sat, we must take Sat:Ven

> because both have yuti relation, and in such situations Saturn becomes

> the principal killer according to BPHS.

>

> Thus, death must occur in MD of Saturn and AD of Venus, which lasted

> during 19:02:2006 - 16:03:2009. Now, killer planets in D1 and D30

> should be ranked according to their mutual relations and viciousness

for

> identifying PD, SD and PranD, and at the same time comparing Varsh and

> Maasa charts. During these 37 month, we will have to compare 4 annual

> and 37 monthly charts, and 9 PD conbinations, 81 SD combinations and

729

> PranD combinations to pinpoint the exact time of death. In total, we

> have to analyze 41 charts and compare 819 dashaa combinations during

> this 37 month period. If Pran Dashaa is omitted, we are left with 90

> dashaa combinations and 40 charts. If the outcome of this formidable

> task affects the survival of native, such a task can and should be

> undertaken, but not for so long a period. Generally, we need to

> undertake such excercizes when a patient is in critical condition and

we

> want to save him : in such cases it is enough to check for 2-4 months

at

> most.

>

> In above case, all four years show killer conditions of both MD and AD

> planets in Varsha kundali, which calls for

>

> Prashant Ji akready knows the problems in death prediction. Now, it is

> clear why death prediction is so difficult. But it is not impossible.

I

> have outlined with example above how MD and AD of death time can be

> easily ascertained. If we leave aside PD, SD, PranD and compare

various

> methods merely on the basis of MD and AD, 5 or 10 case studies of well

> known persons, it is not very difficult to decide which method is

> better. Is Prashant Ji ready for such an exercize aimed at testing

> softwares, or does he want to test me instead, which will waste a

great

> deal of my time and will be of no use to anyone excepting Prashant Ji,

> even if prove 100% accurate always, which is impossible because I am

not

> capable of analysyzing scores of charts and hundreds of dashaa

> combinations over a long period : it is a human job which computer

> cannot do, at least at present. Proper way of testing softwares is

> comparison of well known past events, not prediction of future,

because

> prediction of death in the manner Prashant Ji has put it requires too

> much labour, and is rife with uncertainties due to factors outlined

> above. The manner in which I am asked for blind quiz in spite of my

> refusal to do such things in AIA makes me think whether I should

> continue in such forums. Prashant Ji is certainly not biased, but he

> does not read my webpages and therefore misunderstands me, thinking

that

> I imagine myself to be Nostradamus.

>

> Good Bye.

> -VJ

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