Predictions vs Softwares 6/5

May 6, 2009

Dear Vinay ji

thanks for the reply

and partly understandung my points

by persecution complex I meant u were tormented by AIA in many ways we have not

we r asking u doubts in a healthy manner only , that to to l;ean, know

we respect traditioinal wisdom and ppl like u who have put in a lot of time

which we can't -mainly access to such resources, time etc.

here U REACTED WITH MEMBERS HERE AS U DO IN aia THAT IS WHAT I MEANT BY

FREQUENTLY SAYING U R MISTAKEN OR U R NOT INTERESTED ETC.

so if u settle ur mind we can cover great distances on the subject with all of

us, but for time CONSTRAINTS ONLY I AM NOT TESTING UR S/W no bias is inplied I

have been telling u, members on time

and also from Feb 20 to date so many relatives have died so the mourning time

can we do HOROSCOPE ANALYSIS tell me, how can i do such things whatever has

piled up in the gap from personal circles- friends, relatives, cpaid readings

etc get my time and moderating as usual

about the cases I said it is not meant to test u or tease u

i have clearly said i will send the data to anyone qhom u want me to u can refer

to them or they will post it directly to the group after u do ur part

if u want can suggest names like RRji, vattem krishna ji, arjun ji or anyone

whom u want also no problem but let him be part of the group to know the

dicsussion

as u said the suryasiddhanta ganitha is 100% accurate in giving results only we

want to know such cases analysed

I DON'T WANT TO TEST ANY S/W IT IS THE METHODS only

I WILL GIVE U ALL LIFE EVENTS OF ANY CASE U WANT

in this case 1

54 born at 18.02 hrs

he was married on 9/2/80, a son was born on 29/12/83 at chatrapur in Orrisa in

mid afternoon. time not known we lost contact with the family

the son is a engineer now with INFOSYS

27/9/62

lost his mother on 17/11/75 at 8.30 am in Tuni

MARIED ON 21/6/95, 7.50 HRS KAKINADA

changed a job on 6/5/96 at 9 am, chennai

went to kwait in march 97-june 97

a 2nd daughter is born to him on 26/12/97 at 8.50 am rajamundry AP

in betwen went to US for 30 months

lost his father on 26/9/99 at 15.30 hrs rajamundry/ rajamahendri...

hOUSE warming on 4/2/03 at 01.40 hrs chennai

if u want more data can give u

pl lremember i will never test, tease any fellow astrologer we want to know the

methods that u claim r 100$

i have already said astrology is not such a field

so don't doubt that part

be patient we want to learn from whatever source it be.

and more so from such a rich traditional path u said

prashant

________________________________

vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16

Wednesday, May 6, 2009 1:22:35 AM

Predictions vs Softwares

Prashant Ji and others,

Now I have recognized the reason why you think I am suffering from a

persecution complex in spite of assurances from you ! It is also now

clear to me what are your doubts and how you want to test. Thanks for

opening your mind clearly. The bug lies in the belief in some minds that

I said I can predict 100% ( " " u say u can predict 100% " " ). Earlier,

Rohini Ji also had such a misgiving, which I removed in my past message

which escaped your attention. I never claimed I can predict anything,

100% or 50% or even 1%. If people start believing that I am capable of

100% prediction, my life will become a hell. Some of them may even try

to install me instead of my software on their machines ! My website says

( Is Perfect Prediction Possible?

<http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Phalit+%28Result s%29> ) :

<<<<<

As Arjuna told many times in MBh, outcome is a resultant of Praarabdha

(Fate) and Purushaartha( Action). Purushaartha against Praarabdha is

futile or less rewarding, and Praarabdha without Purushaartha will give

its fruits in next births. Accurate Prediction depends upon following

factors :

1. Accurate Ganita or Software.

2. Accurate Phalita method.

3. Experience, because everything is not in books.

3. Fate of the astrologer and of the Yajamaana : if they are sinners or

if the astrologer has a poor astrologer's yogas in his own horoscope,

predictions will be crude or wrong.

4. Karmas of this life, which modify the the horoscope.

5. Relations, family, etc.

>>>>>

You did not read How_to_Test_ Softwares?

<http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ How_to_Test_ Softwares% 3F> It

states :

<<<<<

Software has got nothing to do with predictions. It is ultimately the

human brain that is involved in predicting the events. No software in

the world can predict an event. A good astrologer makes good forecasts

from a somewhat bad software, and a bad astrologer makes bad forecasts

from a good software. Moreover, if some persons approve a software by

means of blind quiz, how many persons in the world will value their

verdict ? A blind quiz project is a good exercise for sharpening one's

own astrological wits and nothing more, its results about any software

will not be valued by others, who will try their own blind quizes. ...

The method of evaluation must be objective and never subjective. A blind

quiz is a subjective method, and only the questioner knows true answers,

which others may disbelieve even if one passes such tests. ... The data

which is to be tested must be universally acceptable and easily

accessible to everyone in the world. Hence, I propose horoscopes of such

figures like Napoleon, Nehru, Hitler, etc ought to be used for testing

softwares and not of those persons whose data is not easlily verifiable

by everyone. Birthdata and events must be verifiable from independent

and reliable sources. ... The aim should be clear from the start : if

software based on physical astronomy is to be compared with

Suryasiddhantic software, other things must not be allowed to creep in.

Astrological softwares must be evaluated solely on the basis of their

astrological applicability.

>>>>>

I requested you to test softwares on the basis of universally acceptable

data, like those of Napoleon, Hitler, Nehru, Lincoln ( cf. Prediction of

Death <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Prediction+ of+Death> ). I

have given the results of Kundalee software, other methods should be

tried for these four (or more) events. this is the meaning of comparing

softwares. Such an open and fair comparison of softwares on well known

data will be accepted by others. Instead, you started blind quiz. I left

AIA because they insisted on blind quiz and refused to test softwares on

the basis of well known data. These four events can be further expanded,

but the data should belong to well known persons whose birth time is

well known and is not a private data of anyone.

Now, let me address the blind quiz put forth by Prashant Ji. He has

given some data, with birthtime 18:2 , which raises a doubt whether it

is 18:20 or 18:02 ; and gives birthdata of a cousin born 41 years after,

which needs confirmation. Let me show how this data can be processed.

The person with DOB 25 Sep 1954, 18:02 PM, Tuni AP, shows death in :

Amshaayu 2008.69 , MD:AD = Sat:Ven

Pindaayu 2056.28 , MD:AD = Ven:Sat

Nisargaayu 2047.83 , MD:AD = Ven:Mar

All three planets Saturn, Venus and Mars are killers in D1 and D30, and

they are relatives as well, excepting Mars in D1. hence, Nisargaayu is

to be excluded. Among Sat:Ven and Ven:Sat, we must take Sat:Ven

because both have yuti relation, and in such situations Saturn becomes

the principal killer according to BPHS.

Thus, death must occur in MD of Saturn and AD of Venus, which lasted

during 19:02:2006 - 16:03:2009. Now, killer planets in D1 and D30

should be ranked according to their mutual relations and viciousness for

identifying PD, SD and PranD, and at the same time comparing Varsh and

Maasa charts. During these 37 month, we will have to compare 4 annual

and 37 monthly charts, and 9 PD conbinations, 81 SD combinations and 729

PranD combinations to pinpoint the exact time of death. In total, we

have to analyze 41 charts and compare 819 dashaa combinations during

this 37 month period. If Pran Dashaa is omitted, we are left with 90

dashaa combinations and 40 charts. If the outcome of this formidable

task affects the survival of native, such a task can and should be

undertaken, but not for so long a period. Generally, we need to

undertake such excercizes when a patient is in critical condition and we

want to save him : in such cases it is enough to check for 2-4 months at

most.

In above case, all four years show killer conditions of both MD and AD

planets in Varsha kundali, which calls for

Prashant Ji akready knows the problems in death prediction. Now, it is

clear why death prediction is so difficult. But it is not impossible. I

have outlined with example above how MD and AD of death time can be

easily ascertained. If we leave aside PD, SD, PranD and compare various

methods merely on the basis of MD and AD, 5 or 10 case studies of well

known persons, it is not very difficult to decide which method is

better. Is Prashant Ji ready for such an exercize aimed at testing

softwares, or does he want to test me instead, which will waste a great

deal of my time and will be of no use to anyone excepting Prashant Ji,

even if prove 100% accurate always, which is impossible because I am not

capable of analysyzing scores of charts and hundreds of dashaa

combinations over a long period : it is a human job which computer

cannot do, at least at present. Proper way of testing softwares is

comparison of well known past events, not prediction of future, because

prediction of death in the manner Prashant Ji has put it requires too

much labour, and is rife with uncertainties due to factors outlined

above. The manner in which I am asked for blind quiz in spite of my

refusal to do such things in AIA makes me think whether I should

continue in such forums. Prashant Ji is certainly not biased, but he

does not read my webpages and therefore misunderstands me, thinking that

I imagine myself to be Nostradamus.

Good Bye.

-VJ

============ === ============ ===

May 6, 2009

Prashant Ji,

I am sorry to not that you either did not read my previous message or

deliberately ingored my point that blind quiz can test the astrologer

and not the software, because predictions are only partly based on

softwares.

If you did not read my previous message fully, please read it fully. I

made the mistake of predicting that this person died in MD:AD of Sat:Ven

(in last portion of Venus AD) which made you assume I am accepting this

blind quiz. I said earlier that I left AIA not due to persecution, but

due to their insistence that I must undergo only blind quiz, instead of

an open and faily objective method of testing which will have universal

validity. If you test Death of Napoleon, it can be published on a

website and everyone can check the result. But the results of a blind

test will have validity only for the examiner. Others may wonder about

the authenticity of data and may say that Vinay Jha had bribed Mr

Prashant to put forth a bogus blind quiz. I had sais in AIA and I am

repeating here that I will have to undergo 6 billion blind quizes to

convince 6 billion persons on Earth, when when they will die these

results will be forgotten. Blind quiz is a mere sharpening of one's

wits, it has no relevance to software testing. There are two scientific

methods of testing softwares :

Mundane astrology : annual economic or rain forecasts made from mesha

samkraanti charts, of past decades, which can be compared with official

data. It is a scientific method which everyone will have to believe in.

Individual horoscopy : strong events like death in horoscopes of

celebrities whose biographies are well researched and therefore the

results of tests will be believed by everyone.

Mundane astrology is a better method for comparing softwares, because

Suryasiddhantic Sun has a difference of 34' from physical Sun

now-a-days, which causes a difference of ~13 hours in time of mesha

samkraanti. Hence, there will be a difference of 6-7 raashis in lagna,

which is sufficient to compare Suryasiddhantic software with modern

physical softwares. Individual horoscopes having only 34' difference

will be hard to compare, esp when same Vimshottari year is used in both.

But it is possible to decide even in individual horoscopes. Four cases

of Death are sufficient to decide which method is correct, and more

cases may be added if need arises. But I will not waste my time over

blind quizes, because as I already mentioned even in the case given by

you I will have to analyze 4 annual charts, 37 monthly charts and 90

different combunations of Vimshottari Timings. Do you know how much time

will be involved ? And the result will be a private thing for your use

only, others may suspect I had supplied the data to you, or vice versa !

You are missing my statement that Prediction of Death can be done only

for short periods, eg 1-4 months, when someone is in critical condition.

Why you neglect the scientific method proposed by me, and insist on the

subjective method is not clear to me. If I start wasting my time over

blind zuizes, will you take the responsibility of updating Kundalee from

time to time. Why 136 years of rainfall data of IMD cannot be checked ?

Why 55 years of economic durvey data of GOI cannot be checked. You

simply neglect to answer these points, and insist on your blind quiz, in

spite of my statement that I left AIA not due to abuses, but due to

imposition of blind quizes on me. your deliberate neglect of scientific

and open method, and insistence on blind quiz makes me think you want

to get me out. If you are really sincere in testing, please read my

previous message again. If not, simply ask me to get out. I have no

interest in blind quizes. People may ask : What is the guarantee your

data is authentic ?

-Vinay jha

============ ===========

, Prashant Kumar G B

<gbp_kumar wrote:

>

> Dear Vinay ji

>

> thanks for the reply

>

> and partly understandung my points

>

> by persecution complex I meant u were tormented by AIA in many ways

we have not we r asking u doubts in a healthy manner only , that to to

l;ean, know

>

> we respect traditioinal wisdom and ppl like u who have put in a lot of

time which we can't -mainly access to such resources, time etc.

>

> here U REACTED WITH MEMBERS HERE AS U DO IN aia THAT IS WHAT I MEANT

BY FREQUENTLY SAYING U R MISTAKEN OR U R NOT INTERESTED ETC.

>

> so if u settle ur mind we can cover great distances on the subject

with all of us, but for time CONSTRAINTS ONLY I AM NOT TESTING UR S/W no

bias is inplied I have been telling u, members on time

>

> and also from Feb 20 to date so many relatives have died so the

mourning time can we do HOROSCOPE ANALYSIS tell me, how can i do such

things whatever has piled up in the gap from personal circles- friends,

relatives, cpaid readings etc get my time and moderating as usual

>

> about the cases I said it is not meant to test u or tease u

>

> i have clearly said i will send the data to anyone qhom u want me to u

can refer to them or they will post it directly to the group after u do

ur part

>

> if u want can suggest names like RRji, vattem krishna ji, arjun ji or

anyone whom u want also no problem but let him be part of the group to

know the dicsussion

>

> as u said the suryasiddhanta ganitha is 100% accurate in giving

results only we want to know such cases analysed

>

> I DON'T WANT TO TEST ANY S/W IT IS THE METHODS only

>

> I WILL GIVE U ALL LIFE EVENTS OF ANY CASE U WANT

>

> in this case 1

>

> 54 born at 18.02 hrs

> he was married on 9/2/80, a son was born on 29/12/83 at chatrapur in

Orrisa in mid afternoon. time not known we lost contact with the family

> the son is a engineer now with INFOSYS

>

> 27/9/62

>

> lost his mother on 17/11/75 at 8.30 am in Tuni

> MARIED ON 21/6/95, 7.50 HRS KAKINADA

> changed a job on 6/5/96 at 9 am, chennai

> went to kwait in march 97-june 97

> a 2nd daughter is born to him on 26/12/97 at 8.50 am rajamundry AP

> in betwen went to US for 30 months

> lost his father on 26/9/99 at 15.30 hrs rajamundry/ rajamahendri...

> hOUSE warming on 4/2/03 at 01.40 hrs chennai

>

> if u want more data can give u

>

> pl lremember i will never test, tease any fellow astrologer we want to

know the methods that u claim r 100$

>

> i have already said astrology is not such a field

> so don't doubt that part

>

> be patient we want to learn from whatever source it be.

> and more so from such a rich traditional path u said

>

> prashant

>

> ________________________________

> vinayjhaa16 vinayjhaa16

>

> Wednesday, May 6, 2009 1:22:35 AM

> Predictions vs Softwares

>

> Prashant Ji and others,

>

> Now I have recognized the reason why you think I am suffering from a

> persecution complex in spite of assurances from you ! It is also now

> clear to me what are your doubts and how you want to test. Thanks for

> opening your mind clearly. The bug lies in the belief in some minds

that

> I said I can predict 100% ( " " u say u can predict 100% " " ). Earlier,

> Rohini Ji also had such a misgiving, which I removed in my past

message

> which escaped your attention. I never claimed I can predict anything,

> 100% or 50% or even 1%. If people start believing that I am capable

of

> 100% prediction, my life will become a hell. Some of them may even try

> to install me instead of my software on their machines ! My website

says

> ( Is Perfect Prediction Possible?

> <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Phalit+%28Result s%29> ) :

>

> <<<<<

> As Arjuna told many times in MBh, outcome is a resultant of Praarabdha

> (Fate) and Purushaartha( Action). Purushaartha against Praarabdha is

> futile or less rewarding, and Praarabdha without Purushaartha will

give

> its fruits in next births. Accurate Prediction depends upon following

> factors :

> 1. Accurate Ganita or Software.

> 2. Accurate Phalita method.

> 3. Experience, because everything is not in books.

> 3. Fate of the astrologer and of the Yajamaana : if they are sinners

or

> if the astrologer has a poor astrologer's yogas in his own horoscope,

> predictions will be crude or wrong.

> 4. Karmas of this life, which modify the the horoscope.

> 5. Relations, family, etc.

> >>>>>

>

> You did not read How_to_Test_ Softwares?

> <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ How_to_Test_ Softwares% 3F>

It

> states :

>

> <<<<<

> Software has got nothing to do with predictions. It is ultimately the

> human brain that is involved in predicting the events. No software in

> the world can predict an event. A good astrologer makes good forecasts

> from a somewhat bad software, and a bad astrologer makes bad forecasts

> from a good software. Moreover, if some persons approve a software by

> means of blind quiz, how many persons in the world will value their

> verdict ? A blind quiz project is a good exercise for sharpening one's

> own astrological wits and nothing more, its results about any software

> will not be valued by others, who will try their own blind quizes. ...

> The method of evaluation must be objective and never subjective. A

blind

> quiz is a subjective method, and only the questioner knows true

answers,

> which others may disbelieve even if one passes such tests. ... The

data

> which is to be tested must be universally acceptable and easily

> accessible to everyone in the world. Hence, I propose horoscopes of

such

> figures like Napoleon, Nehru, Hitler, etc ought to be used for testing

> softwares and not of those persons whose data is not easlily

verifiable

> by everyone. Birthdata and events must be verifiable from independent

> and reliable sources. ... The aim should be clear from the start : if

> software based on physical astronomy is to be compared with

> Suryasiddhantic software, other things must not be allowed to creep

in.

> Astrological softwares must be evaluated solely on the basis of their

> astrological applicability.

> >>>>>

>

> I requested you to test softwares on the basis of universally

acceptable

> data, like those of Napoleon, Hitler, Nehru, Lincoln ( cf. Prediction

of

> Death <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Prediction+ of+Death>

). I

> have given the results of Kundalee software, other methods should be

> tried for these four (or more) events. this is the meaning of

comparing

> softwares. Such an open and fair comparison of softwares on well known

> data will be accepted by others. Instead, you started blind quiz. I

left

> AIA because they insisted on blind quiz and refused to test softwares

on

> the basis of well known data. These four events can be further

expanded,

> but the data should belong to well known persons whose birth time is

> well known and is not a private data of anyone.

>

> Now, let me address the blind quiz put forth by Prashant Ji. He has

> given some data, with birthtime 18:2 , which raises a doubt whether it

> is 18:20 or 18:02 ; and gives birthdata of a cousin born 41 years

after,

> which needs confirmation. Let me show how this data can be processed.

>

> The person with DOB 25 Sep 1954, 18:02 PM, Tuni AP, shows death in :

>

> Amshaayu 2008.69 , MD:AD = Sat:Ven

> Pindaayu 2056.28 , MD:AD = Ven:Sat

> Nisargaayu 2047.83 , MD:AD = Ven:Mar

>

> All three planets Saturn, Venus and Mars are killers in D1 and D30,

and

> they are relatives as well, excepting Mars in D1. hence, Nisargaayu is

> to be excluded. Among Sat:Ven and Ven:Sat, we must take Sat:Ven

> because both have yuti relation, and in such situations Saturn becomes

> the principal killer according to BPHS.

>

> Thus, death must occur in MD of Saturn and AD of Venus, which lasted

> during 19:02:2006 - 16:03:2009. Now, killer planets in D1 and D30

> should be ranked according to their mutual relations and viciousness

for

> identifying PD, SD and PranD, and at the same time comparing Varsh and

> Maasa charts. During these 37 month, we will have to compare 4 annual

> and 37 monthly charts, and 9 PD conbinations, 81 SD combinations and

729

> PranD combinations to pinpoint the exact time of death. In total, we

> have to analyze 41 charts and compare 819 dashaa combinations during

> this 37 month period. If Pran Dashaa is omitted, we are left with 90

> dashaa combinations and 40 charts. If the outcome of this formidable

> task affects the survival of native, such a task can and should be

> undertaken, but not for so long a period. Generally, we need to

> undertake such excercizes when a patient is in critical condition and

we

> want to save him : in such cases it is enough to check for 2-4 months

at

> most.

>

> In above case, all four years show killer conditions of both MD and AD

> planets in Varsha kundali, which calls for

>

> Prashant Ji akready knows the problems in death prediction. Now, it is

> clear why death prediction is so difficult. But it is not impossible.

I

> have outlined with example above how MD and AD of death time can be

> easily ascertained. If we leave aside PD, SD, PranD and compare

various

> methods merely on the basis of MD and AD, 5 or 10 case studies of well

> known persons, it is not very difficult to decide which method is

> better. Is Prashant Ji ready for such an exercize aimed at testing

> softwares, or does he want to test me instead, which will waste a

great

> deal of my time and will be of no use to anyone excepting Prashant Ji,

> even if prove 100% accurate always, which is impossible because I am

not

> capable of analysyzing scores of charts and hundreds of dashaa

> combinations over a long period : it is a human job which computer

> cannot do, at least at present. Proper way of testing softwares is

> comparison of well known past events, not prediction of future,

because

> prediction of death in the manner Prashant Ji has put it requires too

> much labour, and is rife with uncertainties due to factors outlined

> above. The manner in which I am asked for blind quiz in spite of my

> refusal to do such things in AIA makes me think whether I should

> continue in such forums. Prashant Ji is certainly not biased, but he

> does not read my webpages and therefore misunderstands me, thinking

that

> I imagine myself to be Nostradamus.

>

> Good Bye.

> -VJ

> ============ === ============ ===

>

May 6, 2009

Parashara, Varahmihira, Satyachaarya, Mukunda Vallabh, Dhundiraj, or even the

more recent jyotishis that prevailed in the last 100 years or so. None remain in

the flesh, but their words do, sometimes in many different versions that some of

us question.

Humans are truly blessed!

Blessed not to learn just from books or concrete slabs that objectify knowledge

and learning!

Sometimes we just learn from a baby bird or a baby cat or a baby human.

sometimes we learn from just opening our soul and writing and expressing it all

out.

Even those that get *it*, may come back with more questions -- which is their

right to ask! I smile happily though -- when they get the answer because thst

proves that their teacher was right! Right?

May 6, 2009

To Prashant ji : Please look at my responce to you in this thread.

Please do not waste time on blind quiz and follow the objective method I

explained. Please previous two answres.

To RR Ji :

Socrates had said that no one can teach anyone anything, we learn only

that much which we already know.

This re-search has three aspects :

Re-search of past works often reveals new things, which is the general

meaning of research now-a-days. But what is actually discovered and

believed to be something new lied hidden in every human heart (following

factor .

What Socrates meant was that one cannot accept anything which is

entirely new, completely alien to a creature. A born blind cannot be

taught about many things he has never seen, at most he will learn mere

words, not being able to realize what these words signify. But who

taught Sooradaasa about Lord Krishna ? Sometimes blind men see more

clearly than us. We fail to see the real man in front of us. There are

many " normal " humans who are inwardly blind.

The third aspect makes it clearer. A departing soul forgets everything,

even his/her name. When reborn, it has to learn how to creep or walk.

The mind is the learner, and mind forgets. But there some deeper

identity who is capable of omniscience if awakened bought to the fore,

on the driving seat of 13 karanas of Kaarana-shareer. Only a real Guru

can do this miracle.

All these three aspects are correlated. What is the use of learning

those things which we will forget after death ? This question is not for

a person bound with duties he/she must carry on, but for a free man who

can strive towards real freedom and real everlasting Jnaana.

Yes, we can learn from babies. Babies teach us affection, happiness,

simplicity, innocence, truth, and what not. And in return we teach them

how to lie and how to hate. And we are proud of educating them. In

Sanskrit, 'Aa-nanda' means " towards + child " . When a child comes towards

its parents or vice versa, it is Aananda. No amount of gold or fame can

give that type of Aananda. Over three centuries ago , refusing gold

coins given by a king, a five year boy had said : " Baalo-aham

jagadaanandam, name baalaa Sarasvati ; apoornam pancham varsham,

poornayaam jagatyaam. " (He was MM Sahkara Mishra, commentator of

Vaisheshika Darshana, the direct ancestor of my grandmother, ). You must

have heard his story, perhaps, his above verse is informally taught to

almost every child in my state. This verse means :

I, a Baalaka, am source of all Aananda of the world (this poor world is

itself destitute and seeks aananda from me, its riches are rags to me

and cannot give me aananda), and children bow only to Sarasvati (and not

to Laxmi) ; although I have not competed even five years I am

completing/filling/fulfilling this whole world (with raison de etre ;

without me, the world will be meaningless and lifeless).

-VJ

========= ============

, " Rohiniranjan "

<rohini_ranjan wrote:

>

> Parashara, Varahmihira, Satyachaarya, Mukunda Vallabh, Dhundiraj, or

even the more recent jyotishis that prevailed in the last 100 years or

so. None remain in the flesh, but their words do, sometimes in many

different versions that some of us question.

>

> Humans are truly blessed!

>

> Blessed not to learn just from books or concrete slabs that objectify

knowledge and learning!

>

> Sometimes we just learn from a baby bird or a baby cat or a baby

human. sometimes we learn from just opening our soul and writing and

expressing it all out.

>

> Even those that get *it*, may come back with more questions -- which

is their right to ask! I smile happily though -- when they get the

answer because thst proves that their teacher was right! Right?

>

May 6, 2009

Vinay ji,

pl see the diff the so called blind quiz by AIA doesnt give u any info on the

data i have given u full data u said min 4 i have given u more than 4

I also said can give the answers to anyone whom u feel is safe to post it just

after u have done ur part

well U have repeatedly said in this and other fora's that u members instead of

using or even testing ur presentation of surya siddhanta ganita WHICH IS 100%

ACCURATE AND BY JUST FILLING IN THE DATA u get the results as oN THE CASE OF THE

POUPLAR men u said

and remember all pouplar peoples data is suspect that is why i asked u to

analyse one or more points of their life like in Nehrus case

why take a data so blindly and call it solid and what we give u from personal

side as BLIND

IT DOESNT MATTER if u analyse it or not but u will not help ur goal if u don't

and also reduce the enthusiasm of people to try it every example u can show will

help ur subject NOT US

we already have beenm following some ESTABLISHED, WORKING MODELS TO TRY

anything different one proposing has to do a lot t more

PLEASE SEE TARUN CHOPRA claim on his ayanamsa in this group and and his web site

also HE TOO FAILED TO FULL FIL ANY TEST DATA

prashant

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Wednesday, May 6, 2009 1:17:17 PM

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