Predictions vs Softwares

May 5, 2009

Prashant Ji and others,

Now I have recognized the reason why you think I am suffering from a

persecution complex in spite of assurances from you ! It is also now

clear to me what are your doubts and how you want to test. Thanks for

opening your mind clearly. The bug lies in the belief in some minds that

I said I can predict 100% ( " " u say u can predict 100% " " ). Earlier,

Rohini Ji also had such a misgiving, which I removed in my past message

which escaped your attention. I never claimed I can predict anything,

100% or 50% or even 1%. If people start believing that I am capable of

100% prediction, my life will become a hell. Some of them may even try

to install me instead of my software on their machines ! My website says

( Is Perfect Prediction Possible?

<http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Phalit+%28Results%29> ) :

<<<<<

As Arjuna told many times in MBh, outcome is a resultant of Praarabdha

(Fate) and Purushaartha(Action). Purushaartha against Praarabdha is

futile or less rewarding, and Praarabdha without Purushaartha will give

its fruits in next births. Accurate Prediction depends upon following

factors :

1. Accurate Ganita or Software.

2. Accurate Phalita method.

3. Experience, because everything is not in books.

3. Fate of the astrologer and of the Yajamaana : if they are sinners or

if the astrologer has a poor astrologer's yogas in his own horoscope,

predictions will be crude or wrong.

4. Karmas of this life, which modify the the horoscope.

5. Relations, family, etc.

>>>>>

You did not read How_to_Test_Softwares?

<http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/How_to_Test_Softwares%3F> It

states :

<<<<<

Software has got nothing to do with predictions. It is ultimately the

human brain that is involved in predicting the events. No software in

the world can predict an event. A good astrologer makes good forecasts

from a somewhat bad software, and a bad astrologer makes bad forecasts

from a good software. Moreover, if some persons approve a software by

means of blind quiz, how many persons in the world will value their

verdict ? A blind quiz project is a good exercise for sharpening one's

own astrological wits and nothing more, its results about any software

will not be valued by others, who will try their own blind quizes. ...

The method of evaluation must be objective and never subjective. A blind

quiz is a subjective method, and only the questioner knows true answers,

which others may disbelieve even if one passes such tests. ... The data

which is to be tested must be universally acceptable and easily

accessible to everyone in the world. Hence, I propose horoscopes of such

figures like Napoleon, Nehru, Hitler, etc ought to be used for testing

softwares and not of those persons whose data is not easlily verifiable

by everyone. Birthdata and events must be verifiable from independent

and reliable sources. ... The aim should be clear from the start : if

software based on physical astronomy is to be compared with

Suryasiddhantic software, other things must not be allowed to creep in.

Astrological softwares must be evaluated solely on the basis of their

astrological applicability.

>>>>>

I requested you to test softwares on the basis of universally acceptable

data, like those of Napoleon, Hitler, Nehru, Lincoln ( cf. Prediction of

Death <http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Prediction+of+Death> ). I

have given the results of Kundalee software, other methods should be

tried for these four (or more) events. this is the meaning of comparing

softwares. Such an open and fair comparison of softwares on well known

data will be accepted by others. Instead, you started blind quiz. I left

AIA because they insisted on blind quiz and refused to test softwares on

the basis of well known data. These four events can be further expanded,

but the data should belong to well known persons whose birth time is

well known and is not a private data of anyone.

Now, let me address the blind quiz put forth by Prashant Ji. He has

given some data, with birthtime 18:2 , which raises a doubt whether it

is 18:20 or 18:02 ; and gives birthdata of a cousin born 41 years after,

which needs confirmation. Let me show how this data can be processed.

The person with DOB 25 Sep 1954, 18:02 PM, Tuni AP, shows death in :

Amshaayu 2008.69 , MD:AD = Sat:Ven

Pindaayu 2056.28 , MD:AD = Ven:Sat

Nisargaayu 2047.83 , MD:AD = Ven:Mar

All three planets Saturn, Venus and Mars are killers in D1 and D30, and

they are relatives as well, excepting Mars in D1. hence, Nisargaayu is

to be excluded. Among Sat:Ven and Ven:Sat, we must take Sat:Ven

because both have yuti relation, and in such situations Saturn becomes

the principal killer according to BPHS.

Thus, death must occur in MD of Saturn and AD of Venus, which lasted

during 19:02:2006 - 16:03:2009. Now, killer planets in D1 and D30

should be ranked according to their mutual relations and viciousness for

identifying PD, SD and PranD, and at the same time comparing Varsh and

Maasa charts. During these 37 month, we will have to compare 4 annual

and 37 monthly charts, and 9 PD conbinations, 81 SD combinations and 729

PranD combinations to pinpoint the exact time of death. In total, we

have to analyze 41 charts and compare 819 dashaa combinations during

this 37 month period. If Pran Dashaa is omitted, we are left with 90

dashaa combinations and 40 charts. If the outcome of this formidable

task affects the survival of native, such a task can and should be

undertaken, but not for so long a period. Generally, we need to

undertake such excercizes when a patient is in critical condition and we

want to save him : in such cases it is enough to check for 2-4 months at

most.

In above case, all four years show killer conditions of both MD and AD

planets in Varsha kundali, which calls for

Prashant Ji akready knows the problems in death prediction. Now, it is

clear why death prediction is so difficult. But it is not impossible. I

have outlined with example above how MD and AD of death time can be

easily ascertained. If we leave aside PD, SD, PranD and compare various

methods merely on the basis of MD and AD, 5 or 10 case studies of well

known persons, it is not very difficult to decide which method is

better. Is Prashant Ji ready for such an exercize aimed at testing

softwares, or does he want to test me instead, which will waste a great

deal of my time and will be of no use to anyone excepting Prashant Ji,

even if prove 100% accurate always, which is impossible because I am not

capable of analysyzing scores of charts and hundreds of dashaa

combinations over a long period : it is a human job which computer

cannot do, at least at present. Proper way of testing softwares is

comparison of well known past events, not prediction of future, because

prediction of death in the manner Prashant Ji has put it requires too

much labour, and is rife with uncertainties due to factors outlined

above. The manner in which I am asked for blind quiz in spite of my

refusal to do such things in AIA makes me think whether I should

continue in such forums. Prashant Ji is certainly not biased, but he

does not read my webpages and therefore misunderstands me, thinking that

I imagine myself to be Nostradamus.

Good Bye.

-VJ

=============== ===============

May 5, 2009

dear freinds

this is a very good mail from vinayji and am happy to note the support,

encouragement and motivation given by the fraternity in this group to vinayji.

this is mainly because members here in this group are willing to engage with him

in a diaogue, discuss, debate, seek, know and ask etc. instead of simply or

outrightly rejecting his proposal. the positive step by vinayji to answer all

the mails addressed to him with as much details as he has given testifies his

true research spirit and let us all encourage him further to get his best

knoweldge shared to all. his willingness to share all his historic references

or bases in support of his theories definitely let us learn few things and we

have all the ears to listen and support.

with best wishes and blessings

pandit arjun

www.rudraksharemedy.com

, " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16 wrote:

>

> Prashant Ji and others,

>

> Now I have recognized the reason why you think I am suffering from a

> persecution complex in spite of assurances from you ! It is also now

> clear to me what are your doubts and how you want to test. Thanks for

> opening your mind clearly. The bug lies in the belief in some minds that

> I said I can predict 100% ( " " u say u can predict 100% " " ). Earlier,

> Rohini Ji also had such a misgiving, which I removed in my past message

> which escaped your attention. I never claimed I can predict anything,

> 100% or 50% or even 1%. If people start believing that I am capable of

> 100% prediction, my life will become a hell. Some of them may even try

> to install me instead of my software on their machines ! My website says

> ( Is Perfect Prediction Possible?

> <http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Phalit+%28Results%29> ) :

>

> <<<<<

> As Arjuna told many times in MBh, outcome is a resultant of Praarabdha

> (Fate) and Purushaartha(Action). Purushaartha against Praarabdha is

> futile or less rewarding, and Praarabdha without Purushaartha will give

> its fruits in next births. Accurate Prediction depends upon following

> factors :

> 1. Accurate Ganita or Software.

> 2. Accurate Phalita method.

> 3. Experience, because everything is not in books.

> 3. Fate of the astrologer and of the Yajamaana : if they are sinners or

> if the astrologer has a poor astrologer's yogas in his own horoscope,

> predictions will be crude or wrong.

> 4. Karmas of this life, which modify the the horoscope.

> 5. Relations, family, etc.

> >>>>>

>

> You did not read How_to_Test_Softwares?

> <http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/How_to_Test_Softwares%3F> It

> states :

>

> <<<<<

> Software has got nothing to do with predictions. It is ultimately the

> human brain that is involved in predicting the events. No software in

> the world can predict an event. A good astrologer makes good forecasts

> from a somewhat bad software, and a bad astrologer makes bad forecasts

> from a good software. Moreover, if some persons approve a software by

> means of blind quiz, how many persons in the world will value their

> verdict ? A blind quiz project is a good exercise for sharpening one's

> own astrological wits and nothing more, its results about any software

> will not be valued by others, who will try their own blind quizes. ...

> The method of evaluation must be objective and never subjective. A blind

> quiz is a subjective method, and only the questioner knows true answers,

> which others may disbelieve even if one passes such tests. ... The data

> which is to be tested must be universally acceptable and easily

> accessible to everyone in the world. Hence, I propose horoscopes of such

> figures like Napoleon, Nehru, Hitler, etc ought to be used for testing

> softwares and not of those persons whose data is not easlily verifiable

> by everyone. Birthdata and events must be verifiable from independent

> and reliable sources. ... The aim should be clear from the start : if

> software based on physical astronomy is to be compared with

> Suryasiddhantic software, other things must not be allowed to creep in.

> Astrological softwares must be evaluated solely on the basis of their

> astrological applicability.

> >>>>>

>

> I requested you to test softwares on the basis of universally acceptable

> data, like those of Napoleon, Hitler, Nehru, Lincoln ( cf. Prediction of

> Death <http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Prediction+of+Death> ). I

> have given the results of Kundalee software, other methods should be

> tried for these four (or more) events. this is the meaning of comparing

> softwares. Such an open and fair comparison of softwares on well known

> data will be accepted by others. Instead, you started blind quiz. I left

> AIA because they insisted on blind quiz and refused to test softwares on

> the basis of well known data. These four events can be further expanded,

> but the data should belong to well known persons whose birth time is

> well known and is not a private data of anyone.

>

> Now, let me address the blind quiz put forth by Prashant Ji. He has

> given some data, with birthtime 18:2 , which raises a doubt whether it

> is 18:20 or 18:02 ; and gives birthdata of a cousin born 41 years after,

> which needs confirmation. Let me show how this data can be processed.

>

> The person with DOB 25 Sep 1954, 18:02 PM, Tuni AP, shows death in :

>

> Amshaayu 2008.69 , MD:AD = Sat:Ven

> Pindaayu 2056.28 , MD:AD = Ven:Sat

> Nisargaayu 2047.83 , MD:AD = Ven:Mar

>

> All three planets Saturn, Venus and Mars are killers in D1 and D30, and

> they are relatives as well, excepting Mars in D1. hence, Nisargaayu is

> to be excluded. Among Sat:Ven and Ven:Sat, we must take Sat:Ven

> because both have yuti relation, and in such situations Saturn becomes

> the principal killer according to BPHS.

>

> Thus, death must occur in MD of Saturn and AD of Venus, which lasted

> during 19:02:2006 - 16:03:2009. Now, killer planets in D1 and D30

> should be ranked according to their mutual relations and viciousness for

> identifying PD, SD and PranD, and at the same time comparing Varsh and

> Maasa charts. During these 37 month, we will have to compare 4 annual

> and 37 monthly charts, and 9 PD conbinations, 81 SD combinations and 729

> PranD combinations to pinpoint the exact time of death. In total, we

> have to analyze 41 charts and compare 819 dashaa combinations during

> this 37 month period. If Pran Dashaa is omitted, we are left with 90

> dashaa combinations and 40 charts. If the outcome of this formidable

> task affects the survival of native, such a task can and should be

> undertaken, but not for so long a period. Generally, we need to

> undertake such excercizes when a patient is in critical condition and we

> want to save him : in such cases it is enough to check for 2-4 months at

> most.

>

> In above case, all four years show killer conditions of both MD and AD

> planets in Varsha kundali, which calls for

>

> Prashant Ji akready knows the problems in death prediction. Now, it is

> clear why death prediction is so difficult. But it is not impossible. I

> have outlined with example above how MD and AD of death time can be

> easily ascertained. If we leave aside PD, SD, PranD and compare various

> methods merely on the basis of MD and AD, 5 or 10 case studies of well

> known persons, it is not very difficult to decide which method is

> better. Is Prashant Ji ready for such an exercize aimed at testing

> softwares, or does he want to test me instead, which will waste a great

> deal of my time and will be of no use to anyone excepting Prashant Ji,

> even if prove 100% accurate always, which is impossible because I am not

> capable of analysyzing scores of charts and hundreds of dashaa

> combinations over a long period : it is a human job which computer

> cannot do, at least at present. Proper way of testing softwares is

> comparison of well known past events, not prediction of future, because

> prediction of death in the manner Prashant Ji has put it requires too

> much labour, and is rife with uncertainties due to factors outlined

> above. The manner in which I am asked for blind quiz in spite of my

> refusal to do such things in AIA makes me think whether I should

> continue in such forums. Prashant Ji is certainly not biased, but he

> does not read my webpages and therefore misunderstands me, thinking that

> I imagine myself to be Nostradamus.

>

> Good Bye.

> -VJ

> =============== ===============

>

May 5, 2009

Arjun Ji and others,

Suryasiddhanta had both Drikpakshiya and Saurapakshiya aspects, the former being

physical astronomy of Bhooloka and the latter being concerned with deities or

Grahas of Bhuvaloka.Saurapaksha was always favoured for astrological, hence it

was preserved, but traces of Drikpaksha have also survived here and there, which

Western commentators are suppressing or distorting. For instance,

Bhasharaachaarya clearly said " Earth has a gravitational pull which is

proportional to distance " . But textbooks even in India do not mention his name

and give all the credit to Newton. Here, I am showing one example from

Bhasharaachaarya-ii which was only crudely known to Newton and whose precise

valuse has been determined only 2-3 decades ago : the exact value of precession

of equinoxes which is used for determining ayanamsha in Drikpakshiyasoftwares.

In Siddhanta Shiromani, Bhasharaachaarya writes that minus -30000 revolution per

Kalpa should be added to plus +199669 revolutions ( " ayana-chalanam " ) per Kalpa,

giving a resultant 169669 revolutions per Kalpa of 4320 million years or one

revolution per 25461.34 years, which is close to modern value of 25771.4 years.

Suryasiddhanta (Saurapakshiya) mentions a period of 24000 years, while

Bhasharaachaarya gives 25461 years, but Bhasharaachaarya quoted Aagama version

of Suryasiddhanta, saying it was not available (in existing Suryasiddhanta which

was and is Saurapakshiya). It proves Bhasharaachaarya believed in two types of

Suryasiddhantas (Drikpakshiya and Saurapakshiya).

Now I am giving something which is too lengthy to prove in detail in forums :

One Drikpakshiya Mahayuga is of 42 lakh years exactly, in which solar system and

galaxy both make one extra revolution, both adding up to a make a joint cycle of

21 lakh years. As a result, Drikpakshiya precessional cycle of 25461.34 years

lenghtens by its 2100000 th fraction. In one Drikpakshiya manvantara of (42

lakh * 71 Mahayugas =) 2982 lakh years, one extra revolution in opposite

direction takes place, and in one Drikpakshiya Kalpa of 4200 million years again

one extra revolution takes place. The final formula is :

(1 / 25461.34) - (2 / 4200000) + ( 1/ 298200000) + (1 / 4200000000) = (1 /

25771.4473)

NASA-JPL data used by Swiss Ephemeris, used by all Drikpakshiya softwares like

JHora, Parashara Light, Maitreyi, etc, have a built in precessional period of

25771.4021 years, which differs from above result 25771.4473 by a tiny fraction

of 0.0452005 days in 25771.4 years, or one revolution in 14.7 billion years,

which is nearly equal to currently believed Age of Universe (~14 billion years).

No modern scientist will tolerate that ancient Indians knew exact values of

modern constants with so razor thin precisions ! All Western " experts " cry that

Suryasiddhanta (Saurapakshiya) is an outdate text and the Drikpakshiya aspect of

Suryasiddhanta is neglected, misterpreted and suppressed. Even if the intricate

yuga shodhyas mentioned above is neglected, a value 25461 is far better than the

crude value of 36000 " observed " bt Hipparchus and accepted by the West on the

authority of Ptolemy, till modern scientists discovered better value of 25771.

Some " enthusuiasts " like Sunil Bhattacharjya, AK Kaul, Sreenadh, Sunil Nair, etc

have a misconception that Kundalee software is not worth testing because it is

based on an outdated text Suryasiddhanta ! They do not know that Suryasiddhanta

contains experiences of thousands or scores of thousands of years, while Western

science is relatively young and is incapable of determing periods of revolutions

of Universe or galaxy as yet.

I hope the intricate formula presented above will not lead to a new controversy.

I simply wanted to draw the attention towards scientific anf empirical greatness

of ancient wisdom which some members are reluctant to acknowledge. It needs a

handful of months of patience before I will be able to put forth this case in

details. I am translating my out of pring Hindi book on Drikpakshiya

Suryasiddhanta. Before that, Kundalee software may be tested to see proofs of

astrological validity of Saurapakshiya Suryasiddhanta. Next version of Kundalee

software will be uploaded tomorrow, and I am confident it will pose no problem

in installing automatically on all service packs of Windows XP at least.

-Vinay Jha

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panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004

Wednesday, May 6, 2009 6:21:20 AM

Re: Predictions vs Softwares