Guest guest Posted May 3, 2009 Report Share Posted May 3, 2009 Dear Arjun ji a very valied point the sankalpa part when we say Bharatha varasha, Bharatha Khande Meru dakshina dik bhagae. for southern ppl Ganga -Kaveri madhyae... the continental drift theory propounder belive Indian sub-continent broke away from E.AFRICA and joined the Asian plate and as it moves northwards the Himalays formed etc... Erdy Australia similarly is belived to be part of S Indian plateau even the soil is similar in chennaim perth it is said.... the later part is non astrological or Hindu scriptures based but does suggest the way some ppl see History, geography in the eyes of the Imperialists version of history to suit their version we r partsuperior they r as they r from European blood but there is also a theory tha Mankind was born in South africa and moved upwards to Europe, asia... of African breed Prashant ________________________________ panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 Sunday, May 3, 2009 6:19:44 AM meru parvat - to vinayji dear vinayji from few old posts of you and from a link provided by you, i guess you are suggesting the holy meru parvat is in africa. if this surmise of mine is wrong, kindly ignore this mail as a misunderstood query. if you are indeed suggesting mount meru as the one from africa, i fail to understand why the puranas and other ancient scriptures described meru parvant or mount meru as different and not surely as in africa. the significance of mount meru in hindu mythology as well as in hindu tradition is so high that one purana narrates three full CHAPTERS on describing the mount meru where THOUSANDS of lines were narrating not on the mythical properties but pure mathematical and geographical descriptions of the meru parvat with distances and names of all the mountains far and near and much more. of course all these names were medieval names but surely from these various chapters, i understand mount meru is not from africa in my limited history knowledge. besides your version of mount meru in africa, i also request professors like vattem krishnanji on their understanding from history as to where this mount meru lies. if this mount meru is not what we believe and is in africa as presented by vinayji, then crores of brahmins are committing an error in their daily sankalpam as to which direction from meru they are. your answer helps us understand to which side of meru we are so that we can pronounce the sankalpam correctly. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy .com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2009 Report Share Posted May 3, 2009 For the curious. ////CAVEAT: This is not scientific or superscientific evidence!//// http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_evolution RR , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: > > > > > Dear Arjun ji > > a very valied point the sankalpa part when we say > > Bharatha varasha, Bharatha Khande > Meru dakshina dik bhagae. > > for southern ppl Ganga -Kaveri madhyae... > > the continental drift theory propounder belive Indian sub-continent broke away from E.AFRICA and joined the Asian plate and as it moves northwards the Himalays formed etc... > > Erdy Australia similarly is belived to be part of S Indian plateau even the soil is similar in chennaim perth it is said.... > > the later part is non astrological or Hindu scriptures based but does suggest the way some ppl see History, geography in the eyes of the Imperialists version of history to suit their version > > we r partsuperior they r as they r from European blood > > but there is also a theory tha Mankind was born in South africa and moved upwards to Europe, asia... > of African breed > > Prashant > > > ________________________________ > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 > > Sunday, May 3, 2009 6:19:44 AM > meru parvat - to vinayji > > > > > > dear vinayji > > from few old posts of you and from a link provided by you, i guess you are suggesting the holy meru parvat is in africa. if this surmise of mine is wrong, kindly ignore this mail as a misunderstood query. > > if you are indeed suggesting mount meru as the one from africa, i fail to understand why the puranas and other ancient scriptures described meru parvant or mount meru as different and not surely as in africa. > > the significance of mount meru in hindu mythology as well as in hindu tradition is so high that one purana narrates three full CHAPTERS on describing the mount meru where THOUSANDS of lines were narrating not on the mythical properties but pure mathematical and geographical descriptions of the meru parvat with distances and names of all the mountains far and near and much more. of course all these names were medieval names but surely from these various chapters, i understand mount meru is not from africa in my limited history knowledge. > > besides your version of mount meru in africa, i also request professors like vattem krishnanji on their understanding from history as to where this mount meru lies. if this mount meru is not what we believe and is in africa as presented by vinayji, then crores of brahmins are committing an error in their daily sankalpam as to which direction from meru they are. your answer helps us understand to which side of meru we are so that we can pronounce the sankalpam correctly. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraksharemedy .com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2009 Report Share Posted May 3, 2009 Dear Sirs, The evolutionary trends continue to be there.Our reverred scriptures identified MERU as part of Bharat varshe,Bharat Khande.This position is not contested or changed so far by any one.The importance of MERU for the people of Inidian origin is Supreme and continues to be there.There should not be a second thought about it.Till the end of kaliyug ,it continues to be related to Jambu dweepe and can never be altered vrkrishnan --- On Sun, 5/3/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote: Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan Re: meru parvat - to vinayji 3/5 Sunday, May 3, 2009, 1:45 AM For the curious. ////CAVEAT: This is not scientific or superscientific evidence!/// / http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Human_evolution RR , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@. ..> wrote: > > > > > Dear Arjun ji > > a very valied point the sankalpa part when we say > > Bharatha varasha, Bharatha Khande > Meru dakshina dik bhagae. > > for southern ppl Ganga -Kaveri madhyae... > > the continental drift theory propounder belive Indian sub-continent broke away from E.AFRICA and joined the Asian plate and as it moves northwards the Himalays formed etc... > > Erdy Australia similarly is belived to be part of S Indian plateau even the soil is similar in chennaim perth it is said.... > > the later part is non astrological or Hindu scriptures based but does suggest the way some ppl see History, geography in the eyes of the Imperialists version of history to suit their version > > we r partsuperior they r as they r from European blood > > but there is also a theory tha Mankind was born in South africa and moved upwards to Europe, asia... > of African breed > > Prashant > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...> > > Sunday, May 3, 2009 6:19:44 AM > meru parvat - to vinayji > > > > > > dear vinayji > > from few old posts of you and from a link provided by you, i guess you are suggesting the holy meru parvat is in africa. if this surmise of mine is wrong, kindly ignore this mail as a misunderstood query. > > if you are indeed suggesting mount meru as the one from africa, i fail to understand why the puranas and other ancient scriptures described meru parvant or mount meru as different and not surely as in africa. > > the significance of mount meru in hindu mythology as well as in hindu tradition is so high that one purana narrates three full CHAPTERS on describing the mount meru where THOUSANDS of lines were narrating not on the mythical properties but pure mathematical and geographical descriptions of the meru parvat with distances and names of all the mountains far and near and much more. of course all these names were medieval names but surely from these various chapters, i understand mount meru is not from africa in my limited history knowledge. > > besides your version of mount meru in africa, i also request professors like vattem krishnanji on their understanding from history as to where this mount meru lies. if this mount meru is not what we believe and is in africa as presented by vinayji, then crores of brahmins are committing an error in their daily sankalpam as to which direction from meru they are. your answer helps us understand to which side of meru we are so that we can pronounce the sankalpam correctly. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraksharemedy .com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2009 Report Share Posted May 3, 2009 RR Ji, The simple article you pointed to says that humans separated from other primates around ~6 million years ago (the article says 5-7m yrs), and earliest Homo proofs are from SE Africa : Homo Habilis 2.4 m yrs. The average of separation from primates and earlist known Homo fossils is ~4 million years ago, when last Deluge ended according to Suryasiddhanta and new creation began around Mt Meru (Mt Kenya). Look at some good map or Google Earth to see Meru town at its foothill. -vj ________________________________ Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan Sunday, May 3, 2009 11:15:33 AM Re: meru parvat - to vinayji 3/5 For the curious. ////CAVEAT: This is not scientific or superscientific evidence!/// / http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_evolution RR , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@. ..> wrote: > > > > > Dear Arjun ji > > a very valied point the sankalpa part when we say > > Bharatha varasha, Bharatha Khande > Meru dakshina dik bhagae. > > for southern ppl Ganga -Kaveri madhyae... > > the continental drift theory propounder belive Indian sub-continent broke away from E.AFRICA and joined the Asian plate and as it moves northwards the Himalays formed etc... > > Erdy Australia similarly is belived to be part of S Indian plateau even the soil is similar in chennaim perth it is said.... > > the later part is non astrological or Hindu scriptures based but does suggest the way some ppl see History, geography in the eyes of the Imperialists version of history to suit their version > > we r partsuperior they r as they r from European blood > > but there is also a theory tha Mankind was born in South africa and moved upwards to Europe, asia... > of African breed > > Prashant > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...> > > Sunday, May 3, 2009 6:19:44 AM > meru parvat - to vinayji > > > > > > dear vinayji > > from few old posts of you and from a link provided by you, i guess you are suggesting the holy meru parvat is in africa. if this surmise of mine is wrong, kindly ignore this mail as a misunderstood query. > > if you are indeed suggesting mount meru as the one from africa, i fail to understand why the puranas and other ancient scriptures described meru parvant or mount meru as different and not surely as in africa. > > the significance of mount meru in hindu mythology as well as in hindu tradition is so high that one purana narrates three full CHAPTERS on describing the mount meru where THOUSANDS of lines were narrating not on the mythical properties but pure mathematical and geographical descriptions of the meru parvat with distances and names of all the mountains far and near and much more. of course all these names were medieval names but surely from these various chapters, i understand mount meru is not from africa in my limited history knowledge. > > besides your version of mount meru in africa, i also request professors like vattem krishnanji on their understanding from history as to where this mount meru lies. if this mount meru is not what we believe and is in africa as presented by vinayji, then crores of brahmins are committing an error in their daily sankalpam as to which direction from meru they are. your answer helps us understand to which side of meru we are so that we can pronounce the sankalpam correctly. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraksharemedy .com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2009 Report Share Posted May 3, 2009 Krishnan Ji, You are making wrong statements. Jamboodvip was much bigger than Meru, and there are many ancient references which put it outside India. It was regarded as the highest point, being the centre of Cosmos, hence Varah Mihira called it North Pole. Suryasiddhanta says it is at equator. Neither North Pole nor equator can be located in India. Narapatijayacharya says it is said to be at the centre of Earth but is not found there , the reason was people had lost the knowledge of Africa which was known to ancient sages who said Meru was at equator in Jamboodvip. Jamboodvip is a sigle big contintnt which Euripeans have artificially named as Africa, Europe and Asia. This new nomenclature is misleading you. -vj ________________________________ vattem krishnan <bursar_99 Sunday, May 3, 2009 11:29:02 AM Re: meru parvat - to vinayji 3/5 Dear Sirs, The evolutionary trends continue to be there.Our reverred scriptures identified MERU as part of Bharat varshe,Bharat Khande.This position is not contested or changed so far by any one.The importance of MERU for the people of Inidian origin is Supreme and continues to be there.There should not be a second thought about it.Till the end of kaliyug ,it continues to be related to Jambu dweepe and can never be altered vrkrishnan --- On Sun, 5/3/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> wrote: Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> Re: meru parvat - to vinayji 3/5 Sunday, May 3, 2009, 1:45 AM For the curious. ////CAVEAT: This is not scientific or superscientific evidence!/// / http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Human_evolution RR , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@. ..> wrote: > > > > > Dear Arjun ji > > a very valied point the sankalpa part when we say > > Bharatha varasha, Bharatha Khande > Meru dakshina dik bhagae. > > for southern ppl Ganga -Kaveri madhyae... > > the continental drift theory propounder belive Indian sub-continent broke away from E.AFRICA and joined the Asian plate and as it moves northwards the Himalays formed etc... > > Erdy Australia similarly is belived to be part of S Indian plateau even the soil is similar in chennaim perth it is said.... > > the later part is non astrological or Hindu scriptures based but does suggest the way some ppl see History, geography in the eyes of the Imperialists version of history to suit their version > > we r partsuperior they r as they r from European blood > > but there is also a theory tha Mankind was born in South africa and moved upwards to Europe, asia... > of African breed > > Prashant > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...> > > Sunday, May 3, 2009 6:19:44 AM > meru parvat - to vinayji > > > > > > dear vinayji > > from few old posts of you and from a link provided by you, i guess you are suggesting the holy meru parvat is in africa. if this surmise of mine is wrong, kindly ignore this mail as a misunderstood query. > > if you are indeed suggesting mount meru as the one from africa, i fail to understand why the puranas and other ancient scriptures described meru parvant or mount meru as different and not surely as in africa. > > the significance of mount meru in hindu mythology as well as in hindu tradition is so high that one purana narrates three full CHAPTERS on describing the mount meru where THOUSANDS of lines were narrating not on the mythical properties but pure mathematical and geographical descriptions of the meru parvat with distances and names of all the mountains far and near and much more. of course all these names were medieval names but surely from these various chapters, i understand mount meru is not from africa in my limited history knowledge. > > besides your version of mount meru in africa, i also request professors like vattem krishnanji on their understanding from history as to where this mount meru lies. if this mount meru is not what we believe and is in africa as presented by vinayji, then crores of brahmins are committing an error in their daily sankalpam as to which direction from meru they are. your answer helps us understand to which side of meru we are so that we can pronounce the sankalpam correctly. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraksharemedy .com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2009 Report Share Posted May 3, 2009 Dear Vinay ji if u r refering to to Jamboo dweepa as what the westerners called the Pangea here is the link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pangaea which shows the continetal drift theory where AMERICAS [north south] and europe, saudi arabia, australia, India and smaller pieces that could not join the big break ups as islands then u r close to AKK's call that all of Hindu/vedic knowledge is purely lifted from the greek which is beyond the truth as the multiple discpplines in any subject Vedic heritage is way ahead Egyptians did steal/smuggle many vedic scholars and took most of our traditional wisdom Mayan civilisation has many close similarities to Vedic and in all civiilisations the fire, sun etc are supreme forces-gods and almost represt whatever astrology attributes to ravi. the ;onk also suggests some period where it cud have happened also but superimpose this witht ye Yugas, the puranas etc and come up with something fresh and till then pl treat every source of info as INFO and none of us can claim possession to original source anyday as vedic heritage never believed in claiming, bragging knowledge just lived by practice alone transfered knowledge by word of mouth only palm leaves were just intermediate sources till it was memorised and each guru had it written for his sishyas and they once memorised it were asked to destroy it by sprinkling water on it daily after prayers they decayed naturally u won't find misuse of knowledge like Einstiens Nuke bomb -info of it was for nuclear energy not bombs and he regreted sharing that info of dual use in public after the dirty bombs were used in his lifetime itself Vidya vinaya sampanae is vedic rest is barbaric Prashant ________________________________ Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 Sunday, May 3, 2009 5:30:45 PM Re: meru parvat - to vinayji 3/5 Krishnan Ji, You are making wrong statements. Jamboodvip was much bigger than Meru, and there are many ancient references which put it outside India. It was regarded as the highest point, being the centre of Cosmos, hence Varah Mihira called it North Pole. Suryasiddhanta says it is at equator. Neither North Pole nor equator can be located in India. Narapatijayacharya says it is said to be at the centre of Earth but is not found there , the reason was people had lost the knowledge of Africa which was known to ancient sages who said Meru was at equator in Jamboodvip. Jamboodvip is a sigle big contintnt which Euripeans have artificially named as Africa, Europe and Asia. This new nomenclature is misleading you. -vj ____________ _________ _________ __ vattem krishnan <bursar_99 > Sunday, May 3, 2009 11:29:02 AM Re: meru parvat - to vinayji 3/5 Dear Sirs, The evolutionary trends continue to be there.Our reverred scriptures identified MERU as part of Bharat varshe,Bharat Khande.This position is not contested or changed so far by any one.The importance of MERU for the people of Inidian origin is Supreme and continues to be there.There should not be a second thought about it.Till the end of kaliyug ,it continues to be related to Jambu dweepe and can never be altered vrkrishnan --- On Sun, 5/3/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> wrote: Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> Re: meru parvat - to vinayji 3/5 Sunday, May 3, 2009, 1:45 AM For the curious. ////CAVEAT: This is not scientific or superscientific evidence!/// / http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Human_evolution RR , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@. ..> wrote: > > > > > Dear Arjun ji > > a very valied point the sankalpa part when we say > > Bharatha varasha, Bharatha Khande > Meru dakshina dik bhagae. > > for southern ppl Ganga -Kaveri madhyae... > > the continental drift theory propounder belive Indian sub-continent broke away from E.AFRICA and joined the Asian plate and as it moves northwards the Himalays formed etc... > > Erdy Australia similarly is belived to be part of S Indian plateau even the soil is similar in chennaim perth it is said.... > > the later part is non astrological or Hindu scriptures based but does suggest the way some ppl see History, geography in the eyes of the Imperialists version of history to suit their version > > we r partsuperior they r as they r from European blood > > but there is also a theory tha Mankind was born in South africa and moved upwards to Europe, asia... > of African breed > > Prashant > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...> > > Sunday, May 3, 2009 6:19:44 AM > meru parvat - to vinayji > > > > > > dear vinayji > > from few old posts of you and from a link provided by you, i guess you are suggesting the holy meru parvat is in africa. if this surmise of mine is wrong, kindly ignore this mail as a misunderstood query. > > if you are indeed suggesting mount meru as the one from africa, i fail to understand why the puranas and other ancient scriptures described meru parvant or mount meru as different and not surely as in africa. > > the significance of mount meru in hindu mythology as well as in hindu tradition is so high that one purana narrates three full CHAPTERS on describing the mount meru where THOUSANDS of lines were narrating not on the mythical properties but pure mathematical and geographical descriptions of the meru parvat with distances and names of all the mountains far and near and much more. of course all these names were medieval names but surely from these various chapters, i understand mount meru is not from africa in my limited history knowledge. > > besides your version of mount meru in africa, i also request professors like vattem krishnanji on their understanding from history as to where this mount meru lies. if this mount meru is not what we believe and is in africa as presented by vinayji, then crores of brahmins are committing an error in their daily sankalpam as to which direction from meru they are. your answer helps us understand to which side of meru we are so that we can pronounce the sankalpam correctly. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraksharemedy .com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2009 Report Share Posted May 3, 2009 Prashant Ji, MBh gives Jamboodvip's dimensions as 18600 yojanas. Measure of yojana changes from time to time. All astronomical texts of ancient India give Earth's diameter as 1100-1600 yojanas only, hence 18600 yojana for Jamboodvip cannot belong to that period in history when yojana's value was much larhe. Sayana refers to a shruti in RV,i,50 that Surya (which Mr subhash Kak reads as spped of light) moves at a speed of 2202 yojana per half nimisha. If this is actually the speed of light, then this value of yojana makes 18600 yojana exactly equal to the distance from Cape Town to Bering Starits in far east of Siberia. You are misled by forerunners of AKK who distorted Indian history. Geographical India is a small country, but what we know as Indian culture was practised over entire Jamboodvip, which is narrated in ancient texts. Names of countries in Jamboodvip which were outside India can be found in many Puranas and MBh. On the other hand, there is no ancient proof to limit Jamboodvip to merely India, India is a small part of Jamboodvip. Secondly, no ancient text says Mt Meru was within India. But it does not mean Indian culture was imported from Greece or Egypt. The contrary is true : The greatest Greek comedian Aristophanes wrote a comedy The Birds around ~400 BC, which said the ancestors of Greeks offered oblations into fire whose smoke went into Heavens to feed gods. It proves the existence of ritualistic Vedic Yajna among the ancestors of greeks. Yet, Europeans falsely teach us that the ancestors of Aryans practised a simple religion based on prayers like the psalms of Bible, and declared Rgveda to be the original Veda because it was a book of prayers, and Yajurveda was the invention of non Aryan brahmins who invented Yajna. Rgveda and YV name each other innumerable times, and their language is also contemporary. Yet, many Indians believe in this false propaganda and fail to read Greek evidences which show Yajna was practised bt their remote ancestors. The word Europa in Greek meant " easterlies (winds " and European means " those who came from the East " ! The existence of Sanskrit placenames like Meru in Kenya or Kinyangiri in Tanzania does not mean India was a part of Kenya. It means a single language and culture was practised in the whole the world. It tallies with the descriptions of cultures in various parts of Jamboodvipa found in Puranas and MBh. -VJ ================= ============ ________________________________ Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar Sunday, May 3, 2009 5:55:08 PM Re: meru parvat - to vinayji 3/5 Dear Vinay ji if u r refering to to Jamboo dweepa as what the westerners called the Pangea here is the link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pangaea which shows the continetal drift theory where AMERICAS [north south] and europe, saudi arabia, australia, India and smaller pieces that could not join the big break ups as islands then u r close to AKK's call that all of Hindu/vedic knowledge is purely lifted from the greek which is beyond the truth as the multiple discpplines in any subject Vedic heritage is way ahead Egyptians did steal/smuggle many vedic scholars and took most of our traditional wisdom Mayan civilisation has many close similarities to Vedic and in all civiilisations the fire, sun etc are supreme forces-gods and almost represt whatever astrology attributes to ravi. the ;onk also suggests some period where it cud have happened also but superimpose this witht ye Yugas, the puranas etc and come up with something fresh and till then pl treat every source of info as INFO and none of us can claim possession to original source anyday as vedic heritage never believed in claiming, bragging knowledge just lived by practice alone transfered knowledge by word of mouth only palm leaves were just intermediate sources till it was memorised and each guru had it written for his sishyas and they once memorised it were asked to destroy it by sprinkling water on it daily after prayers they decayed naturally u won't find misuse of knowledge like Einstiens Nuke bomb -info of it was for nuclear energy not bombs and he regreted sharing that info of dual use in public after the dirty bombs were used in his lifetime itself Vidya vinaya sampanae is vedic rest is barbaric Prashant ____________ _________ _________ __ Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > Sunday, May 3, 2009 5:30:45 PM Re: meru parvat - to vinayji 3/5 Krishnan Ji, You are making wrong statements. Jamboodvip was much bigger than Meru, and there are many ancient references which put it outside India. It was regarded as the highest point, being the centre of Cosmos, hence Varah Mihira called it North Pole. Suryasiddhanta says it is at equator. Neither North Pole nor equator can be located in India. Narapatijayacharya says it is said to be at the centre of Earth but is not found there , the reason was people had lost the knowledge of Africa which was known to ancient sages who said Meru was at equator in Jamboodvip. Jamboodvip is a sigle big contintnt which Euripeans have artificially named as Africa, Europe and Asia. This new nomenclature is misleading you. -vj ____________ _________ _________ __ vattem krishnan <bursar_99 > Sunday, May 3, 2009 11:29:02 AM Re: meru parvat - to vinayji 3/5 Dear Sirs, The evolutionary trends continue to be there.Our reverred scriptures identified MERU as part of Bharat varshe,Bharat Khande.This position is not contested or changed so far by any one.The importance of MERU for the people of Inidian origin is Supreme and continues to be there.There should not be a second thought about it.Till the end of kaliyug ,it continues to be related to Jambu dweepe and can never be altered vrkrishnan --- On Sun, 5/3/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> wrote: Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> Re: meru parvat - to vinayji 3/5 Sunday, May 3, 2009, 1:45 AM For the curious. ////CAVEAT: This is not scientific or superscientific evidence!/// / http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Human_evolution RR , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@. ..> wrote: > > > > > Dear Arjun ji > > a very valied point the sankalpa part when we say > > Bharatha varasha, Bharatha Khande > Meru dakshina dik bhagae. > > for southern ppl Ganga -Kaveri madhyae... > > the continental drift theory propounder belive Indian sub-continent broke away from E.AFRICA and joined the Asian plate and as it moves northwards the Himalays formed etc... > > Erdy Australia similarly is belived to be part of S Indian plateau even the soil is similar in chennaim perth it is said.... > > the later part is non astrological or Hindu scriptures based but does suggest the way some ppl see History, geography in the eyes of the Imperialists version of history to suit their version > > we r partsuperior they r as they r from European blood > > but there is also a theory tha Mankind was born in South africa and moved upwards to Europe, asia... > of African breed > > Prashant > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...> > > Sunday, May 3, 2009 6:19:44 AM > meru parvat - to vinayji > > > > > > dear vinayji > > from few old posts of you and from a link provided by you, i guess you are suggesting the holy meru parvat is in africa. if this surmise of mine is wrong, kindly ignore this mail as a misunderstood query. > > if you are indeed suggesting mount meru as the one from africa, i fail to understand why the puranas and other ancient scriptures described meru parvant or mount meru as different and not surely as in africa. > > the significance of mount meru in hindu mythology as well as in hindu tradition is so high that one purana narrates three full CHAPTERS on describing the mount meru where THOUSANDS of lines were narrating not on the mythical properties but pure mathematical and geographical descriptions of the meru parvat with distances and names of all the mountains far and near and much more. of course all these names were medieval names but surely from these various chapters, i understand mount meru is not from africa in my limited history knowledge. > > besides your version of mount meru in africa, i also request professors like vattem krishnanji on their understanding from history as to where this mount meru lies. if this mount meru is not what we believe and is in africa as presented by vinayji, then crores of brahmins are committing an error in their daily sankalpam as to which direction from meru they are. your answer helps us understand to which side of meru we are so that we can pronounce the sankalpam correctly. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraksharemedy .com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2009 Report Share Posted May 3, 2009 Vinay ji I DID NOT SAY I APPROVE OF AKK;s views nor did I say Vedic culture is imported from greece, egypy etc... pl re-read my post I am clear that egypt got the knowledge by hijacking many scholars from India and killed them after their scholars learnt the subject and from egypt it sprread to West-europe ZERO, CHEMISTRY OR RASAYANA SHASTRA BY Charaka and his compatriot [i forget the name for the moment] I have said by ur ALLUDING Mt Meru to Kenya u r approving AKK so make sure it is so nothe otherway as u assume I said also read the PANGEA link i sent u i am actually using the word for the 1st time [in the sarch as i heard the word never read about it till now earlier i had only heard of the word may be 35 yrs ago never had a chance to read it though understood it from the time i heard it in a radio program in apr 74 while I was in my 7th std in Bangalore there is no way one language can be part of such a vast spread of mankind even Bharatha varsha, bharata khande had the Prakruit, sanskirt and other local strains, culture, rituals also do differ and there can be similarities as said in the way fire, Sun was worshipped in all cultures [except the Monoliths that came later, church, mosues] Thanks prashant ________________________________ Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 Sunday, May 3, 2009 7:05:52 PM Re: meru parvat - to vinayji 3/5 Prashant Ji, MBh gives Jamboodvip's dimensions as 18600 yojanas. Measure of yojana changes from time to time. All astronomical texts of ancient India give Earth's diameter as 1100-1600 yojanas only, hence 18600 yojana for Jamboodvip cannot belong to that period in history when yojana's value was much larhe. Sayana refers to a shruti in RV,i,50 that Surya (which Mr subhash Kak reads as spped of light) moves at a speed of 2202 yojana per half nimisha. If this is actually the speed of light, then this value of yojana makes 18600 yojana exactly equal to the distance from Cape Town to Bering Starits in far east of Siberia. You are misled by forerunners of AKK who distorted Indian history. Geographical India is a small country, but what we know as Indian culture was practised over entire Jamboodvip, which is narrated in ancient texts. Names of countries in Jamboodvip which were outside India can be found in many Puranas and MBh. On the other hand, there is no ancient proof to limit Jamboodvip to merely India, India is a small part of Jamboodvip. Secondly, no ancient text says Mt Meru was within India. But it does not mean Indian culture was imported from Greece or Egypt. The contrary is true : The greatest Greek comedian Aristophanes wrote a comedy The Birds around ~400 BC, which said the ancestors of Greeks offered oblations into fire whose smoke went into Heavens to feed gods. It proves the existence of ritualistic Vedic Yajna among the ancestors of greeks. Yet, Europeans falsely teach us that the ancestors of Aryans practised a simple religion based on prayers like the psalms of Bible, and declared Rgveda to be the original Veda because it was a book of prayers, and Yajurveda was the invention of non Aryan brahmins who invented Yajna. Rgveda and YV name each other innumerable times, and their language is also contemporary. Yet, many Indians believe in this false propaganda and fail to read Greek evidences which show Yajna was practised bt their remote ancestors. The word Europa in Greek meant " easterlies (winds " and European means " those who came from the East " ! The existence of Sanskrit placenames like Meru in Kenya or Kinyangiri in Tanzania does not mean India was a part of Kenya. It means a single language and culture was practised in the whole the world. It tallies with the descriptions of cultures in various parts of Jamboodvipa found in Puranas and MBh. -VJ ============ ===== ============ ____________ _________ _________ __ Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > Sunday, May 3, 2009 5:55:08 PM Re: meru parvat - to vinayji 3/5 Dear Vinay ji if u r refering to to Jamboo dweepa as what the westerners called the Pangea here is the link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pangaea which shows the continetal drift theory where AMERICAS [north south] and europe, saudi arabia, australia, India and smaller pieces that could not join the big break ups as islands then u r close to AKK's call that all of Hindu/vedic knowledge is purely lifted from the greek which is beyond the truth as the multiple discpplines in any subject Vedic heritage is way ahead Egyptians did steal/smuggle many vedic scholars and took most of our traditional wisdom Mayan civilisation has many close similarities to Vedic and in all civiilisations the fire, sun etc are supreme forces-gods and almost represt whatever astrology attributes to ravi. the ;onk also suggests some period where it cud have happened also but superimpose this witht ye Yugas, the puranas etc and come up with something fresh and till then pl treat every source of info as INFO and none of us can claim possession to original source anyday as vedic heritage never believed in claiming, bragging knowledge just lived by practice alone transfered knowledge by word of mouth only palm leaves were just intermediate sources till it was memorised and each guru had it written for his sishyas and they once memorised it were asked to destroy it by sprinkling water on it daily after prayers they decayed naturally u won't find misuse of knowledge like Einstiens Nuke bomb -info of it was for nuclear energy not bombs and he regreted sharing that info of dual use in public after the dirty bombs were used in his lifetime itself Vidya vinaya sampanae is vedic rest is barbaric Prashant ____________ _________ _________ __ Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > Sunday, May 3, 2009 5:30:45 PM Re: meru parvat - to vinayji 3/5 Krishnan Ji, You are making wrong statements. Jamboodvip was much bigger than Meru, and there are many ancient references which put it outside India. It was regarded as the highest point, being the centre of Cosmos, hence Varah Mihira called it North Pole. Suryasiddhanta says it is at equator. Neither North Pole nor equator can be located in India. Narapatijayacharya says it is said to be at the centre of Earth but is not found there , the reason was people had lost the knowledge of Africa which was known to ancient sages who said Meru was at equator in Jamboodvip. Jamboodvip is a sigle big contintnt which Euripeans have artificially named as Africa, Europe and Asia. This new nomenclature is misleading you. -vj ____________ _________ _________ __ vattem krishnan <bursar_99 > Sunday, May 3, 2009 11:29:02 AM Re: meru parvat - to vinayji 3/5 Dear Sirs, The evolutionary trends continue to be there.Our reverred scriptures identified MERU as part of Bharat varshe,Bharat Khande.This position is not contested or changed so far by any one.The importance of MERU for the people of Inidian origin is Supreme and continues to be there.There should not be a second thought about it.Till the end of kaliyug ,it continues to be related to Jambu dweepe and can never be altered vrkrishnan --- On Sun, 5/3/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> wrote: Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> Re: meru parvat - to vinayji 3/5 Sunday, May 3, 2009, 1:45 AM For the curious. ////CAVEAT: This is not scientific or superscientific evidence!/// / http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Human_evolution RR , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@. ..> wrote: > > > > > Dear Arjun ji > > a very valied point the sankalpa part when we say > > Bharatha varasha, Bharatha Khande > Meru dakshina dik bhagae. > > for southern ppl Ganga -Kaveri madhyae... > > the continental drift theory propounder belive Indian sub-continent broke away from E.AFRICA and joined the Asian plate and as it moves northwards the Himalays formed etc... > > Erdy Australia similarly is belived to be part of S Indian plateau even the soil is similar in chennaim perth it is said.... > > the later part is non astrological or Hindu scriptures based but does suggest the way some ppl see History, geography in the eyes of the Imperialists version of history to suit their version > > we r partsuperior they r as they r from European blood > > but there is also a theory tha Mankind was born in South africa and moved upwards to Europe, asia... > of African breed > > Prashant > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...> > > Sunday, May 3, 2009 6:19:44 AM > meru parvat - to vinayji > > > > > > dear vinayji > > from few old posts of you and from a link provided by you, i guess you are suggesting the holy meru parvat is in africa. if this surmise of mine is wrong, kindly ignore this mail as a misunderstood query. > > if you are indeed suggesting mount meru as the one from africa, i fail to understand why the puranas and other ancient scriptures described meru parvant or mount meru as different and not surely as in africa. > > the significance of mount meru in hindu mythology as well as in hindu tradition is so high that one purana narrates three full CHAPTERS on describing the mount meru where THOUSANDS of lines were narrating not on the mythical properties but pure mathematical and geographical descriptions of the meru parvat with distances and names of all the mountains far and near and much more. of course all these names were medieval names but surely from these various chapters, i understand mount meru is not from africa in my limited history knowledge. > > besides your version of mount meru in africa, i also request professors like vattem krishnanji on their understanding from history as to where this mount meru lies. if this mount meru is not what we believe and is in africa as presented by vinayji, then crores of brahmins are committing an error in their daily sankalpam as to which direction from meru they are. your answer helps us understand to which side of meru we are so that we can pronounce the sankalpam correctly. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraksharemedy .com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2009 Report Share Posted May 4, 2009 Prashant ji, I devoted 12 years on comparative linguistics and I know vedic language is the original language, but as long as Western hegemony remains it will be impossible to establish truth. If you think Africa's ancient past was pagan then you are mistaken. Vedic culture was practised over entire Jamboodvipa, of which Bharata-varsha was only a small, although most important, part. Creation was created from Mt Meru in Kenya, but actual history of Vedic peoples was centred in India from the very beginning. It is a long history everywhere forgotten, only some portions of Puranas mention it. Read my article Yajna posted today, it provides an irrefutable proof of Vedic origin of prehistoric Greeks. AKK is just opposite of facts. -VJ ________________________________ Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar Monday, May 4, 2009 10:24:36 AM Re: meru parvat - to vinayji 3/5 Vinay ji I DID NOT SAY I APPROVE OF AKK;s views nor did I say Vedic culture is imported from greece, egypy etc... pl re-read my post I am clear that egypt got the knowledge by hijacking many scholars from India and killed them after their scholars learnt the subject and from egypt it sprread to West-europe ZERO, CHEMISTRY OR RASAYANA SHASTRA BY Charaka and his compatriot [i forget the name for the moment] I have said by ur ALLUDING Mt Meru to Kenya u r approving AKK so make sure it is so nothe otherway as u assume I said also read the PANGEA link i sent u i am actually using the word for the 1st time [in the sarch as i heard the word never read about it till now earlier i had only heard of the word may be 35 yrs ago never had a chance to read it though understood it from the time i heard it in a radio program in apr 74 while I was in my 7th std in Bangalore there is no way one language can be part of such a vast spread of mankind even Bharatha varsha, bharata khande had the Prakruit, sanskirt and other local strains, culture, rituals also do differ and there can be similarities as said in the way fire, Sun was worshipped in all cultures [except the Monoliths that came later, church, mosues] Thanks prashant ____________ _________ _________ __ Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > Sunday, May 3, 2009 7:05:52 PM Re: meru parvat - to vinayji 3/5 Prashant Ji, MBh gives Jamboodvip's dimensions as 18600 yojanas. Measure of yojana changes from time to time. All astronomical texts of ancient India give Earth's diameter as 1100-1600 yojanas only, hence 18600 yojana for Jamboodvip cannot belong to that period in history when yojana's value was much larhe. Sayana refers to a shruti in RV,i,50 that Surya (which Mr subhash Kak reads as spped of light) moves at a speed of 2202 yojana per half nimisha. If this is actually the speed of light, then this value of yojana makes 18600 yojana exactly equal to the distance from Cape Town to Bering Starits in far east of Siberia. You are misled by forerunners of AKK who distorted Indian history. Geographical India is a small country, but what we know as Indian culture was practised over entire Jamboodvip, which is narrated in ancient texts. Names of countries in Jamboodvip which were outside India can be found in many Puranas and MBh. On the other hand, there is no ancient proof to limit Jamboodvip to merely India, India is a small part of Jamboodvip. Secondly, no ancient text says Mt Meru was within India. But it does not mean Indian culture was imported from Greece or Egypt. The contrary is true : The greatest Greek comedian Aristophanes wrote a comedy The Birds around ~400 BC, which said the ancestors of Greeks offered oblations into fire whose smoke went into Heavens to feed gods. It proves the existence of ritualistic Vedic Yajna among the ancestors of greeks. Yet, Europeans falsely teach us that the ancestors of Aryans practised a simple religion based on prayers like the psalms of Bible, and declared Rgveda to be the original Veda because it was a book of prayers, and Yajurveda was the invention of non Aryan brahmins who invented Yajna. Rgveda and YV name each other innumerable times, and their language is also contemporary. Yet, many Indians believe in this false propaganda and fail to read Greek evidences which show Yajna was practised bt their remote ancestors. The word Europa in Greek meant " easterlies (winds " and European means " those who came from the East " ! The existence of Sanskrit placenames like Meru in Kenya or Kinyangiri in Tanzania does not mean India was a part of Kenya. It means a single language and culture was practised in the whole the world. It tallies with the descriptions of cultures in various parts of Jamboodvipa found in Puranas and MBh. -VJ ============ ===== ============ ____________ _________ _________ __ Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > Sunday, May 3, 2009 5:55:08 PM Re: meru parvat - to vinayji 3/5 Dear Vinay ji if u r refering to to Jamboo dweepa as what the westerners called the Pangea here is the link http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Pangaea which shows the continetal drift theory where AMERICAS [north south] and europe, saudi arabia, australia, India and smaller pieces that could not join the big break ups as islands then u r close to AKK's call that all of Hindu/vedic knowledge is purely lifted from the greek which is beyond the truth as the multiple discpplines in any subject Vedic heritage is way ahead Egyptians did steal/smuggle many vedic scholars and took most of our traditional wisdom Mayan civilisation has many close similarities to Vedic and in all civiilisations the fire, sun etc are supreme forces-gods and almost represt whatever astrology attributes to ravi. the ;onk also suggests some period where it cud have happened also but superimpose this witht ye Yugas, the puranas etc and come up with something fresh and till then pl treat every source of info as INFO and none of us can claim possession to original source anyday as vedic heritage never believed in claiming, bragging knowledge just lived by practice alone transfered knowledge by word of mouth only palm leaves were just intermediate sources till it was memorised and each guru had it written for his sishyas and they once memorised it were asked to destroy it by sprinkling water on it daily after prayers they decayed naturally u won't find misuse of knowledge like Einstiens Nuke bomb -info of it was for nuclear energy not bombs and he regreted sharing that info of dual use in public after the dirty bombs were used in his lifetime itself Vidya vinaya sampanae is vedic rest is barbaric Prashant ____________ _________ _________ __ Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > Sunday, May 3, 2009 5:30:45 PM Re: meru parvat - to vinayji 3/5 Krishnan Ji, You are making wrong statements. Jamboodvip was much bigger than Meru, and there are many ancient references which put it outside India. It was regarded as the highest point, being the centre of Cosmos, hence Varah Mihira called it North Pole. Suryasiddhanta says it is at equator. Neither North Pole nor equator can be located in India. Narapatijayacharya says it is said to be at the centre of Earth but is not found there , the reason was people had lost the knowledge of Africa which was known to ancient sages who said Meru was at equator in Jamboodvip. Jamboodvip is a sigle big contintnt which Euripeans have artificially named as Africa, Europe and Asia. This new nomenclature is misleading you. -vj ____________ _________ _________ __ vattem krishnan <bursar_99 > Sunday, May 3, 2009 11:29:02 AM Re: meru parvat - to vinayji 3/5 Dear Sirs, The evolutionary trends continue to be there.Our reverred scriptures identified MERU as part of Bharat varshe,Bharat Khande.This position is not contested or changed so far by any one.The importance of MERU for the people of Inidian origin is Supreme and continues to be there.There should not be a second thought about it.Till the end of kaliyug ,it continues to be related to Jambu dweepe and can never be altered vrkrishnan --- On Sun, 5/3/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> wrote: Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> Re: meru parvat - to vinayji 3/5 Sunday, May 3, 2009, 1:45 AM For the curious. ////CAVEAT: This is not scientific or superscientific evidence!/// / http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Human_evolution RR , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@. ..> wrote: > > > > > Dear Arjun ji > > a very valied point the sankalpa part when we say > > Bharatha varasha, Bharatha Khande > Meru dakshina dik bhagae. > > for southern ppl Ganga -Kaveri madhyae... > > the continental drift theory propounder belive Indian sub-continent broke away from E.AFRICA and joined the Asian plate and as it moves northwards the Himalays formed etc... > > Erdy Australia similarly is belived to be part of S Indian plateau even the soil is similar in chennaim perth it is said.... > > the later part is non astrological or Hindu scriptures based but does suggest the way some ppl see History, geography in the eyes of the Imperialists version of history to suit their version > > we r partsuperior they r as they r from European blood > > but there is also a theory tha Mankind was born in South africa and moved upwards to Europe, asia... > of African breed > > Prashant > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...> > > Sunday, May 3, 2009 6:19:44 AM > meru parvat - to vinayji > > > > > > dear vinayji > > from few old posts of you and from a link provided by you, i guess you are suggesting the holy meru parvat is in africa. if this surmise of mine is wrong, kindly ignore this mail as a misunderstood query. > > if you are indeed suggesting mount meru as the one from africa, i fail to understand why the puranas and other ancient scriptures described meru parvant or mount meru as different and not surely as in africa. > > the significance of mount meru in hindu mythology as well as in hindu tradition is so high that one purana narrates three full CHAPTERS on describing the mount meru where THOUSANDS of lines were narrating not on the mythical properties but pure mathematical and geographical descriptions of the meru parvat with distances and names of all the mountains far and near and much more. of course all these names were medieval names but surely from these various chapters, i understand mount meru is not from africa in my limited history knowledge. > > besides your version of mount meru in africa, i also request professors like vattem krishnanji on their understanding from history as to where this mount meru lies. if this mount meru is not what we believe and is in africa as presented by vinayji, then crores of brahmins are committing an error in their daily sankalpam as to which direction from meru they are. your answer helps us understand to which side of meru we are so that we can pronounce the sankalpam correctly. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraksharemedy .com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2009 Report Share Posted May 4, 2009 Namsthe, It seems that there is some substance but confusing in what Vinay ji has written. There is a practice related with death rites. If one is very poor to cunduct such rites, it is ordained that the ancestors will be pleased if the person stands in a junction and proclaims loudly that he caanot afford to do the rites and the offering of a handfull of sand is enough to please the ancestors. A few back, I saw on BBC channel, the people of an african village doing the same thing outside their village when they had to leave it due to famine. further, there is a part of " Vitharini Nadi " regarding the crossing of the soul during the last rite rituals as practiced by brahmins. I have seen / read about this as practiced in some of spain etc. The rich / kings when dead , the body used to be put on a boat sent into the river burning. Hence we can find many such similarities of even names as far as in Russia. But the confusing part, Sanskrit , rituals etc only exist now in India. In other parts of the world, the rituals are forgone. Why?. and it was never as complicated & systematic as in India. More over these rituals are still practiced in India while, there is practically nothing left in other parts of the world to establish any authentic link. recently I happened to another article on genetic research where it was found a few sect in parts of tamilnadu has their genetic link with those of african people. But again, there is no evidence that of Brahmanical link to say that higher knowledge came from Africa. If Africans had such knowldege of advanced subjects why is it not evident now. Even the egyptians believed that the pharos where gods (or it mere outsiders) & never equated them to the locals. Mayan culture is total gone. Purhaps the only link we have could be the " Mayamatham " , a Vastu sastra treatise still held in high respect. I have also heard that ituria in Africa gets its name from Maharshi Atri. Similarly " Neela nadi " mentioned in puranas could be River Nile. But could not do more research on the subject. Once can seen a lot of links but difficult to get any concrete continuation. It is matter of surprise that the african language in any form does not have any semblence with Indian languages including Sanskrit. I may be wrong here, Purhaps, it may because I have not done enough research on the subject. Hence, I think It would be beneficial if we keep our minds open look at ideas & explore every bit of knowledge without love / hate / passion. With warm regards A.G.Suresh Babu shenoy. > Prashant ji, > > I devoted 12 years on comparative linguistics and I know vedic language is the original language, but as long as Western hegemony remains it will be impossible to establish truth. > > If you think Africa's ancient past was pagan then you are mistaken. Vedic culture was practised over entire Jamboodvipa, of which Bharata-varsha was only a small, although most important, part. Creation was created from Mt Meru in Kenya, but actual history of Vedic peoples was centred in India from the very beginning. It is a long history everywhere forgotten, only some portions of Puranas mention it. > > Read my article Yajna posted today, it provides an irrefutable proof of Vedic origin of prehistoric Greeks. AKK is just opposite of facts. > > -VJ > > > ________________________________ > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > > Monday, May 4, 2009 10:24:36 AM > Re: meru parvat - to vinayji 3/5 > > > > > > Vinay ji > > I DID NOT SAY I APPROVE OF AKK;s views > > nor did I say Vedic culture is imported from greece, egypy etc... > > pl re-read my post > > I am clear that egypt got the knowledge by hijacking many scholars from India and killed them after their scholars learnt the subject and from egypt it sprread to West-europe ZERO, CHEMISTRY OR RASAYANA SHASTRA BY Charaka and his compatriot [i forget the name for the moment] > > I have said by ur ALLUDING Mt Meru to Kenya u r approving AKK so make sure it is so nothe otherway as u assume I said > > also read the PANGEA link i sent u i am actually using the word for the 1st time [in the sarch as i heard the word never read about it till now earlier i had only heard of the word may be 35 yrs ago never had a chance to read it though understood it from the time i heard it in a radio program in apr 74 while I was in my 7th std in Bangalore > > there is no way one language can be part of such a vast spread of mankind even Bharatha varsha, bharata khande had the Prakruit, sanskirt and other local strains, culture, rituals also do differ and there can be similarities as said in the way fire, Sun was worshipped in all cultures [except the Monoliths that came later, church, mosues] > > Thanks > > prashant > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > > > Sunday, May 3, 2009 7:05:52 PM > Re: meru parvat - to vinayji 3/5 > > Prashant Ji, > > MBh gives Jamboodvip's dimensions as 18600 yojanas. Measure of yojana changes from time to time. All astronomical texts of ancient India give Earth's diameter as 1100-1600 yojanas only, hence 18600 yojana for Jamboodvip cannot belong to that period in history when yojana's value was much larhe. Sayana refers to a shruti in RV,i,50 that Surya (which Mr subhash Kak reads as spped of light) moves at a speed of 2202 yojana per half nimisha. If this is actually the speed of light, then this value of yojana makes 18600 yojana exactly equal to the distance from Cape Town to Bering Starits in far east of Siberia. > > You are misled by forerunners of AKK who distorted Indian history. Geographical India is a small country, but what we know as Indian culture was practised over entire Jamboodvip, which is narrated in ancient texts. Names of countries in Jamboodvip which were outside India can be found in many Puranas and MBh. On the other hand, there is no ancient proof to limit Jamboodvip to merely India, India is a small part of Jamboodvip. Secondly, no ancient text says Mt Meru was within India. But it does not mean Indian culture was imported from Greece or Egypt. The contrary is true : > > The greatest Greek comedian Aristophanes wrote a comedy The Birds around ~400 BC, which said the ancestors of Greeks offered oblations into fire whose smoke went into Heavens to feed gods. It proves the existence of ritualistic Vedic Yajna among the ancestors of greeks. Yet, Europeans falsely teach us that the ancestors of Aryans practised a simple religion based on prayers like the psalms of Bible, and declared Rgveda to be the original Veda because it was a book of prayers, and Yajurveda was the invention of non Aryan brahmins who invented Yajna. Rgveda and YV name each other innumerable times, and their language is also contemporary. Yet, many Indians believe in this false propaganda and fail to read Greek evidences which show Yajna was practised bt their remote ancestors. The word Europa in Greek meant " easterlies (winds " and European means " those who came from the East " ! > > The existence of Sanskrit placenames like Meru in Kenya or Kinyangiri in Tanzania does not mean India was a part of Kenya. It means a single language and culture was practised in the whole the world. It tallies with the descriptions of cultures in various parts of Jamboodvipa found in Puranas and MBh. > > -VJ > > ============ ===== ============ > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > > > Sunday, May 3, 2009 5:55:08 PM > Re: meru parvat - to vinayji 3/5 > > Dear Vinay ji > > if u r refering to to Jamboo dweepa as what the westerners called the Pangea here is the link > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Pangaea > > which shows the continetal drift theory where AMERICAS [north south] and europe, saudi arabia, australia, India and smaller pieces that could not join the big break ups as islands > > then u r close to AKK's call that all of Hindu/vedic knowledge is purely lifted from the greek > > which is beyond the truth > > as the multiple discpplines in any subject Vedic heritage is way ahead > > Egyptians did steal/smuggle many vedic scholars and took most of our traditional wisdom > > Mayan civilisation has many close similarities to Vedic and in all civiilisations the fire, sun etc are supreme forces-gods and almost represt whatever astrology attributes to ravi. > > the ;onk also suggests some period where it cud have happened also > > but superimpose this witht ye Yugas, the puranas etc and come up with something fresh > > and till then pl treat every source of info as INFO and none of us can claim possession to original source anyday as vedic heritage never believed in claiming, bragging knowledge just lived by practice alone > > transfered knowledge by word of mouth only palm leaves were just intermediate sources till it was memorised and each guru had it written for his sishyas and they once memorised it were asked to destroy it by sprinkling water on it daily after prayers they decayed naturally > > u won't find misuse of knowledge like Einstiens Nuke bomb -info of it was for nuclear energy not bombs and he regreted sharing that info of dual use in public after the dirty bombs were used in his lifetime itself > > Vidya vinaya sampanae is vedic rest is barbaric > > Prashant > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > > > Sunday, May 3, 2009 5:30:45 PM > Re: meru parvat - to vinayji 3/5 > > Krishnan Ji, > You are making wrong statements. Jamboodvip was much bigger than Meru, and there are many ancient references which put it outside India. It was regarded as the highest point, being the centre of Cosmos, hence Varah Mihira called it North Pole. Suryasiddhanta says it is at equator. Neither North Pole nor equator can be located in India. Narapatijayacharya says it is said to be at the centre of Earth but is not found there , the reason was people had lost the knowledge of Africa which was known to ancient sages who said Meru was at equator in Jamboodvip. Jamboodvip is a sigle big contintnt which Euripeans have artificially named as Africa, Europe and Asia. This new nomenclature is misleading you. > -vj > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > vattem krishnan <bursar_99 > > > Sunday, May 3, 2009 11:29:02 AM > Re: meru parvat - to vinayji 3/5 > > Dear Sirs, > The evolutionary trends continue to be there.Our reverred scriptures identified MERU as part of Bharat varshe,Bharat Khande.This position is not contested or changed so far by any one.The importance of MERU for the people of Inidian origin is Supreme and continues to be there.There should not be a second thought about it.Till the end of kaliyug ,it continues to be related to Jambu dweepe and can never be altered > vrkrishnan > > --- On Sun, 5/3/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> > Re: meru parvat - to vinayji 3/5 > > Sunday, May 3, 2009, 1:45 AM > > For the curious. ////CAVEAT: This is not scientific or superscientific evidence!/// / > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Human_evolution > > RR > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Arjun ji > > > > a very valied point the sankalpa part when we say > > > > Bharatha varasha, Bharatha Khande > > Meru dakshina dik bhagae. > > > > for southern ppl Ganga -Kaveri madhyae... > > > > the continental drift theory propounder belive Indian sub-continent broke away from E.AFRICA and joined the Asian plate and as it moves northwards the Himalays formed etc... > > > > Erdy Australia similarly is belived to be part of S Indian plateau even the soil is similar in chennaim perth it is said.... > > > > the later part is non astrological or Hindu scriptures based but does suggest the way some ppl see History, geography in the eyes of the Imperialists version of history to suit their version > > > > we r partsuperior they r as they r from European blood > > > > but there is also a theory tha Mankind was born in South africa and moved upwards to Europe, asia... > > of African breed > > > > Prashant > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...> > > > > Sunday, May 3, 2009 6:19:44 AM > > meru parvat - to vinayji > > > > > > > > > > > > dear vinayji > > > > from few old posts of you and from a link provided by you, i guess you are suggesting the holy meru parvat is in africa. if this surmise of mine is wrong, kindly ignore this mail as a misunderstood query. > > > > if you are indeed suggesting mount meru as the one from africa, i fail to understand why the puranas and other ancient scriptures described meru parvant or mount meru as different and not surely as in africa. > > > > the significance of mount meru in hindu mythology as well as in hindu tradition is so high that one purana narrates three full CHAPTERS on describing the mount meru where THOUSANDS of lines were narrating not on the mythical properties but pure mathematical and geographical descriptions of the meru parvat with distances and names of all the mountains far and near and much more. of course all these names were medieval names but surely from these various chapters, i understand mount meru is not from africa in my limited history knowledge. > > > > besides your version of mount meru in africa, i also request professors like vattem krishnanji on their understanding from history as to where this mount meru lies. if this mount meru is not what we believe and is in africa as presented by vinayji, then crores of brahmins are committing an error in their daily sankalpam as to which direction from meru they are. your answer helps us understand to which side of meru we are so that we can pronounce the sankalpam correctly. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2009 Report Share Posted May 4, 2009 Dear Suresh Babu well it is true on what u felt is similar and lost also pl see my next mail actually had that in mind when a ttel call came and I forgot to finish it but sent it subject is MIKE DAVIS prashant ________________________________ sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag Monday, May 4, 2009 7:44:56 PM Re: meru parvat - to vinayji 3/5 Namsthe, It seems that there is some substance but confusing in what Vinay ji has written. There is a practice related with death rites. If one is very poor to cunduct such rites, it is ordained that the ancestors will be pleased if the person stands in a junction and proclaims loudly that he caanot afford to do the rites and the offering of a handfull of sand is enough to please the ancestors. A few back, I saw on BBC channel, the people of an african village doing the same thing outside their village when they had to leave it due to famine. further, there is a part of " Vitharini Nadi " regarding the crossing of the soul during the last rite rituals as practiced by brahmins. I have seen / read about this as practiced in some of spain etc. The rich / kings when dead , the body used to be put on a boat sent into the river burning. Hence we can find many such similarities of even names as far as in Russia. But the confusing part, Sanskrit , rituals etc only exist now in India. In other parts of the world, the rituals are forgone. Why?. and it was never as complicated & systematic as in India. More over these rituals are still practiced in India while, there is practically nothing left in other parts of the world to establish any authentic link. recently I happened to another article on genetic research where it was found a few sect in parts of tamilnadu has their genetic link with those of african people. But again, there is no evidence that of Brahmanical link to say that higher knowledge came from Africa. If Africans had such knowldege of advanced subjects why is it not evident now. Even the egyptians believed that the pharos where gods (or it mere outsiders) & never equated them to the locals. Mayan culture is total gone. Purhaps the only link we have could be the " Mayamatham " , a Vastu sastra treatise still held in high respect. I have also heard that ituria in Africa gets its name from Maharshi Atri. Similarly " Neela nadi " mentioned in puranas could be River Nile. But could not do more research on the subject. Once can seen a lot of links but difficult to get any concrete continuation. It is matter of surprise that the african language in any form does not have any semblence with Indian languages including Sanskrit. I may be wrong here, Purhaps, it may because I have not done enough research on the subject. Hence, I think It would be beneficial if we keep our minds open look at ideas & explore every bit of knowledge without love / hate / passion. With warm regards A.G.Suresh Babu shenoy. > Prashant ji, > > I devoted 12 years on comparative linguistics and I know vedic language is the original language, but as long as Western hegemony remains it will be impossible to establish truth. > > If you think Africa's ancient past was pagan then you are mistaken. Vedic culture was practised over entire Jamboodvipa, of which Bharata-varsha was only a small, although most important, part. Creation was created from Mt Meru in Kenya, but actual history of Vedic peoples was centred in India from the very beginning. It is a long history everywhere forgotten, only some portions of Puranas mention it. > > Read my article Yajna posted today, it provides an irrefutable proof of Vedic origin of prehistoric Greeks. AKK is just opposite of facts. > > -VJ > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@. ..> > > Monday, May 4, 2009 10:24:36 AM > Re: meru parvat - to vinayji 3/5 > > > > > > Vinay ji > > I DID NOT SAY I APPROVE OF AKK;s views > > nor did I say Vedic culture is imported from greece, egypy etc... > > pl re-read my post > > I am clear that egypt got the knowledge by hijacking many scholars from India and killed them after their scholars learnt the subject and from egypt it sprread to West-europe ZERO, CHEMISTRY OR RASAYANA SHASTRA BY Charaka and his compatriot [i forget the name for the moment] > > I have said by ur ALLUDING Mt Meru to Kenya u r approving AKK so make sure it is so nothe otherway as u assume I said > > also read the PANGEA link i sent u i am actually using the word for the 1st time [in the sarch as i heard the word never read about it till now earlier i had only heard of the word may be 35 yrs ago never had a chance to read it though understood it from the time i heard it in a radio program in apr 74 while I was in my 7th std in Bangalore > > there is no way one language can be part of such a vast spread of mankind even Bharatha varsha, bharata khande had the Prakruit, sanskirt and other local strains, culture, rituals also do differ and there can be similarities as said in the way fire, Sun was worshipped in all cultures [except the Monoliths that came later, church, mosues] > > Thanks > > prashant > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > > > Sunday, May 3, 2009 7:05:52 PM > Re: meru parvat - to vinayji 3/5 > > Prashant Ji, > > MBh gives Jamboodvip's dimensions as 18600 yojanas. Measure of yojana changes from time to time. All astronomical texts of ancient India give Earth's diameter as 1100-1600 yojanas only, hence 18600 yojana for Jamboodvip cannot belong to that period in history when yojana's value was much larhe. Sayana refers to a shruti in RV,i,50 that Surya (which Mr subhash Kak reads as spped of light) moves at a speed of 2202 yojana per half nimisha. If this is actually the speed of light, then this value of yojana makes 18600 yojana exactly equal to the distance from Cape Town to Bering Starits in far east of Siberia. > > You are misled by forerunners of AKK who distorted Indian history. Geographical India is a small country, but what we know as Indian culture was practised over entire Jamboodvip, which is narrated in ancient texts. Names of countries in Jamboodvip which were outside India can be found in many Puranas and MBh. On the other hand, there is no ancient proof to limit Jamboodvip to merely India, India is a small part of Jamboodvip. Secondly, no ancient text says Mt Meru was within India. But it does not mean Indian culture was imported from Greece or Egypt. The contrary is true : > > The greatest Greek comedian Aristophanes wrote a comedy The Birds around ~400 BC, which said the ancestors of Greeks offered oblations into fire whose smoke went into Heavens to feed gods. It proves the existence of ritualistic Vedic Yajna among the ancestors of greeks. Yet, Europeans falsely teach us that the ancestors of Aryans practised a simple religion based on prayers like the psalms of Bible, and declared Rgveda to be the original Veda because it was a book of prayers, and Yajurveda was the invention of non Aryan brahmins who invented Yajna. Rgveda and YV name each other innumerable times, and their language is also contemporary. Yet, many Indians believe in this false propaganda and fail to read Greek evidences which show Yajna was practised bt their remote ancestors. The word Europa in Greek meant " easterlies (winds " and European means " those who came from the East " ! > > The existence of Sanskrit placenames like Meru in Kenya or Kinyangiri in Tanzania does not mean India was a part of Kenya. It means a single language and culture was practised in the whole the world. It tallies with the descriptions of cultures in various parts of Jamboodvipa found in Puranas and MBh. > > -VJ > > ============ ===== ============ > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > > > Sunday, May 3, 2009 5:55:08 PM > Re: meru parvat - to vinayji 3/5 > > Dear Vinay ji > > if u r refering to to Jamboo dweepa as what the westerners called the Pangea here is the link > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Pangaea > > which shows the continetal drift theory where AMERICAS [north south] and europe, saudi arabia, australia, India and smaller pieces that could not join the big break ups as islands > > then u r close to AKK's call that all of Hindu/vedic knowledge is purely lifted from the greek > > which is beyond the truth > > as the multiple discpplines in any subject Vedic heritage is way ahead > > Egyptians did steal/smuggle many vedic scholars and took most of our traditional wisdom > > Mayan civilisation has many close similarities to Vedic and in all civiilisations the fire, sun etc are supreme forces-gods and almost represt whatever astrology attributes to ravi. > > the ;onk also suggests some period where it cud have happened also > > but superimpose this witht ye Yugas, the puranas etc and come up with something fresh > > and till then pl treat every source of info as INFO and none of us can claim possession to original source anyday as vedic heritage never believed in claiming, bragging knowledge just lived by practice alone > > transfered knowledge by word of mouth only palm leaves were just intermediate sources till it was memorised and each guru had it written for his sishyas and they once memorised it were asked to destroy it by sprinkling water on it daily after prayers they decayed naturally > > u won't find misuse of knowledge like Einstiens Nuke bomb -info of it was for nuclear energy not bombs and he regreted sharing that info of dual use in public after the dirty bombs were used in his lifetime itself > > Vidya vinaya sampanae is vedic rest is barbaric > > Prashant > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > > > Sunday, May 3, 2009 5:30:45 PM > Re: meru parvat - to vinayji 3/5 > > Krishnan Ji, > You are making wrong statements. Jamboodvip was much bigger than Meru, and there are many ancient references which put it outside India. It was regarded as the highest point, being the centre of Cosmos, hence Varah Mihira called it North Pole. Suryasiddhanta says it is at equator. Neither North Pole nor equator can be located in India. Narapatijayacharya says it is said to be at the centre of Earth but is not found there , the reason was people had lost the knowledge of Africa which was known to ancient sages who said Meru was at equator in Jamboodvip. Jamboodvip is a sigle big contintnt which Euripeans have artificially named as Africa, Europe and Asia. This new nomenclature is misleading you. > -vj > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > vattem krishnan <bursar_99 > > > Sunday, May 3, 2009 11:29:02 AM > Re: meru parvat - to vinayji 3/5 > > Dear Sirs, > The evolutionary trends continue to be there.Our reverred scriptures identified MERU as part of Bharat varshe,Bharat Khande.This position is not contested or changed so far by any one.The importance of MERU for the people of Inidian origin is Supreme and continues to be there.There should not be a second thought about it.Till the end of kaliyug ,it continues to be related to Jambu dweepe and can never be altered > vrkrishnan > > --- On Sun, 5/3/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> > Re: meru parvat - to vinayji 3/5 > > Sunday, May 3, 2009, 1:45 AM > > For the curious. ////CAVEAT: This is not scientific or superscientific evidence!/// / > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Human_evolution > > RR > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Arjun ji > > > > a very valied point the sankalpa part when we say > > > > Bharatha varasha, Bharatha Khande > > Meru dakshina dik bhagae. > > > > for southern ppl Ganga -Kaveri madhyae... > > > > the continental drift theory propounder belive Indian sub-continent broke away from E.AFRICA and joined the Asian plate and as it moves northwards the Himalays formed etc... > > > > Erdy Australia similarly is belived to be part of S Indian plateau even the soil is similar in chennaim perth it is said.... > > > > the later part is non astrological or Hindu scriptures based but does suggest the way some ppl see History, geography in the eyes of the Imperialists version of history to suit their version > > > > we r partsuperior they r as they r from European blood > > > > but there is also a theory tha Mankind was born in South africa and moved upwards to Europe, asia... > > of African breed > > > > Prashant > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...> > > > > Sunday, May 3, 2009 6:19:44 AM > > meru parvat - to vinayji > > > > > > > > > > > > dear vinayji > > > > from few old posts of you and from a link provided by you, i guess you are suggesting the holy meru parvat is in africa. if this surmise of mine is wrong, kindly ignore this mail as a misunderstood query. > > > > if you are indeed suggesting mount meru as the one from africa, i fail to understand why the puranas and other ancient scriptures described meru parvant or mount meru as different and not surely as in africa. > > > > the significance of mount meru in hindu mythology as well as in hindu tradition is so high that one purana narrates three full CHAPTERS on describing the mount meru where THOUSANDS of lines were narrating not on the mythical properties but pure mathematical and geographical descriptions of the meru parvat with distances and names of all the mountains far and near and much more. of course all these names were medieval names but surely from these various chapters, i understand mount meru is not from africa in my limited history knowledge. > > > > besides your version of mount meru in africa, i also request professors like vattem krishnanji on their understanding from history as to where this mount meru lies. if this mount meru is not what we believe and is in africa as presented by vinayji, then crores of brahmins are committing an error in their daily sankalpam as to which direction from meru they are. your answer helps us understand to which side of meru we are so that we can pronounce the sankalpam correctly. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2009 Report Share Posted May 4, 2009 Namaste, Shenoy Ji is wondering why " Sanskrit , rituals etc only exist now in India " ! The answer is horrifying, almost unprintable. In Persia and Afghanistan, Vedic gods were declared to be demons and Asura was worshipped. Hakhamani (Achaemanid) kings hunted for Brahmins and killed them. So did Alexander. He hanged his own gurubhai Callesthenes (Kaala-shtaani) whi refused to accept his divinity. He ordered his soldiers to capture an Indian monk Damdami (as per Megashenes, actual name Daandaayana) , but his soldiers dared not touch this naagaa monk. In Israel, cannibals of Canaan sacrificed best of humans by breaking open his sacred-fissure on skull, there is replastered broken skull at Jericho. Peking men were veteran cannibals. Vedic texts in hieroglyphs were found in Israel but I have not been able to locate it : it is in UK perhaps. Egyptian civilisation was asuri, read the poems on pyramids, they are completely anti Vedic , but their source was in sudan where traces of a Mruvian civilization have been found : Meru was a great city in southern Sudan (known to Herodotus, different from Mt Meru in Kenya), whose language is deliberately declared to be unknown, but I have read an article on internet by a Western linguist who says Kushanas of central Asia and India were linguistically an eastern branch of this Meruvian language whose nation was known as Kush by Egyptians and was believed to be their source. Harappans used Sanskrit but were dead against Vedic culture : they worshipped a naked Pashupati-like figure with erect phallus adorned with buffalo horns. Western historians call it Pashupati, but Finnish and Russian experts said ruling clan belonged to Buffalo clan. In other words , Mahisaasura !! Bovine bones have been found in numerous public fire altars at Kalibangan ! They were asuras. During 3000-700 BC, most of the dynasties from India to Meditarranean were Asuric, barring a few Aryans, like King Dasharatha in Syria around 14th century BC with a daughter or daughter in law Set (Sita) married to Egyptian Pharaoh. The first king of Egypt was Manu, whose name was given as Menes by Greek author Manetho, but few persons know that last 's' in Greek names was not pronounced, and vowels in Egyptian hieroglyphs were originally not written but supplied by memory : hences Manu and Mene will have same hieroglyph in Old Kingdom period. Egyptian religion was almost a replica of Hinduism in its essential traits, but Egypt was ruled by Asuras who claimed divine origins like early Ikshvaakus. It is wrong to believe that we came from Egypt. All the moolaa, shaashanas, graamas, etc of those Brahmins who have maintained their old records are Indian, excepting Shakaldvipis who went from India and later returned due to persecution bu Persians and Greeks. Remaining traces of Brahmanic influences were obliterated by Islam. Prophet Muhammad removed adhimaasa in his last year : this then Indian calendar was practised by asuras of Arabia. Ancient heritage was largely saved by Brahmins . Sanskrit and Brahmins were systematically wiped out from those lands millenia ago. Whatever proofs come out now are instantly destroyed or hid. It is merely the initial part of Kaliyuga. With the " progress and development " of Kaliyuga, speaking Sanskrit and practice of Vedic religion will become non-bailable offences, or to be burnt on stake. How much blood was shed for forcible of Europe to Christianity has been now accounted by many authors. Pagan Europe had more affinities with Vedic customs. They observed Ravivaar vrata. Their New Year was in Middlemarch (nirayanaa Mesha Samkraanti), now Middle-April due to one raashi shift of zodiac. Even Church observed another variety of Vedic New Year borrowed perhaps from Egypt on nirayana Makara Samkraanti, which was Jan 1 till 1582, but was shifted 13 days due to Gregorian reform and now nirayana Makara Samkraanti occurs on 14 Jan. This aggressiveness towards Vedas and Vedangas has me becme an unconscious urge in even those Indians who believe in Westernism. -VJ ================================= , " sureshbabuag " <sureshbabuag wrote: > > Namsthe, > > It seems that there is some substance but confusing in what Vinay ji has written. > > There is a practice related with death rites. If one is very poor to cunduct such rites, it is ordained that the ancestors will be pleased if the person stands in a junction and proclaims loudly that he caanot afford to do the rites and the offering of a handfull of sand is enough to please the ancestors. > > A few back, I saw on BBC channel, the people of an african village doing the same thing outside their village when they had to leave it due to famine. > > further, there is a part of " Vitharini Nadi " regarding the crossing of the soul during the last rite rituals as practiced by brahmins. I have seen / read about this as practiced in some of spain etc. The rich / kings when dead , the body used to be put on a boat sent into the river burning. > > Hence we can find many such similarities of even names as far as in Russia. > > But the confusing part, Sanskrit , rituals etc only exist now in India. In other parts of the world, the rituals are forgone. Why?. and it was never as complicated & systematic as in India. More over these rituals are still practiced in India while, there is practically nothing left in other parts of the world to establish any authentic link. > > recently I happened to another article on genetic research where it was found a few sect in parts of tamilnadu has their genetic link with those of african people. But again, there is no evidence that of Brahmanical link to say that higher knowledge came from Africa. > > If Africans had such knowldege of advanced subjects why is it not evident now. Even the egyptians believed that the pharos where gods (or it mere outsiders) & never equated them to the locals. > > Mayan culture is total gone. Purhaps the only link we have could be the " Mayamatham " , a Vastu sastra treatise still held in high respect. > > I have also heard that ituria in Africa gets its name from Maharshi Atri. Similarly " Neela nadi " mentioned in puranas could be River Nile. But could not do more research on the subject. > > Once can seen a lot of links but difficult to get any concrete continuation. It is matter of surprise that the african language in any form does not have any semblence with Indian languages including Sanskrit. I may be wrong here, Purhaps, it may because I have not done enough research on the subject. > > Hence, I think It would be beneficial if we keep our minds open look at ideas & explore every bit of knowledge without love / hate / passion. > > With warm regards > A.G.Suresh Babu shenoy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant ji, > > > > I devoted 12 years on comparative linguistics and I know vedic language is the original language, but as long as Western hegemony remains it will be impossible to establish truth. > > > > If you think Africa's ancient past was pagan then you are mistaken. Vedic culture was practised over entire Jamboodvipa, of which Bharata-varsha was only a small, although most important, part. Creation was created from Mt Meru in Kenya, but actual history of Vedic peoples was centred in India from the very beginning. It is a long history everywhere forgotten, only some portions of Puranas mention it. > > > > Read my article Yajna posted today, it provides an irrefutable proof of Vedic origin of prehistoric Greeks. AKK is just opposite of facts. > > > > -VJ > > > > > > ________________________________ > > Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar@ > > > > Monday, May 4, 2009 10:24:36 AM > > Re: meru parvat - to vinayji 3/5 > > > > > > > > > > > > Vinay ji > > > > I DID NOT SAY I APPROVE OF AKK;s views > > > > nor did I say Vedic culture is imported from greece, egypy etc... > > > > pl re-read my post > > > > I am clear that egypt got the knowledge by hijacking many scholars from India and killed them after their scholars learnt the subject and from egypt it sprread to West-europe ZERO, CHEMISTRY OR RASAYANA SHASTRA BY Charaka and his compatriot [i forget the name for the moment] > > > > I have said by ur ALLUDING Mt Meru to Kenya u r approving AKK so make sure it is so nothe otherway as u assume I said > > > > also read the PANGEA link i sent u i am actually using the word for the 1st time [in the sarch as i heard the word never read about it till now earlier i had only heard of the word may be 35 yrs ago never had a chance to read it though understood it from the time i heard it in a radio program in apr 74 while I was in my 7th std in Bangalore > > > > there is no way one language can be part of such a vast spread of mankind even Bharatha varsha, bharata khande had the Prakruit, sanskirt and other local strains, culture, rituals also do differ and there can be similarities as said in the way fire, Sun was worshipped in all cultures [except the Monoliths that came later, church, mosues] > > > > Thanks > > > > prashant > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > > > > > Sunday, May 3, 2009 7:05:52 PM > > Re: meru parvat - to vinayji 3/5 > > > > Prashant Ji, > > > > MBh gives Jamboodvip's dimensions as 18600 yojanas. Measure of yojana changes from time to time. All astronomical texts of ancient India give Earth's diameter as 1100-1600 yojanas only, hence 18600 yojana for Jamboodvip cannot belong to that period in history when yojana's value was much larhe. Sayana refers to a shruti in RV,i,50 that Surya (which Mr subhash Kak reads as spped of light) moves at a speed of 2202 yojana per half nimisha. If this is actually the speed of light, then this value of yojana makes 18600 yojana exactly equal to the distance from Cape Town to Bering Starits in far east of Siberia. > > > > You are misled by forerunners of AKK who distorted Indian history. Geographical India is a small country, but what we know as Indian culture was practised over entire Jamboodvip, which is narrated in ancient texts. Names of countries in Jamboodvip which were outside India can be found in many Puranas and MBh. On the other hand, there is no ancient proof to limit Jamboodvip to merely India, India is a small part of Jamboodvip. Secondly, no ancient text says Mt Meru was within India. But it does not mean Indian culture was imported from Greece or Egypt. The contrary is true : > > > > The greatest Greek comedian Aristophanes wrote a comedy The Birds around ~400 BC, which said the ancestors of Greeks offered oblations into fire whose smoke went into Heavens to feed gods. It proves the existence of ritualistic Vedic Yajna among the ancestors of greeks. Yet, Europeans falsely teach us that the ancestors of Aryans practised a simple religion based on prayers like the psalms of Bible, and declared Rgveda to be the original Veda because it was a book of prayers, and Yajurveda was the invention of non Aryan brahmins who invented Yajna. Rgveda and YV name each other innumerable times, and their language is also contemporary. Yet, many Indians believe in this false propaganda and fail to read Greek evidences which show Yajna was practised bt their remote ancestors. The word Europa in Greek meant " easterlies (winds " and European means " those who came from the East " ! > > > > The existence of Sanskrit placenames like Meru in Kenya or Kinyangiri in Tanzania does not mean India was a part of Kenya. It means a single language and culture was practised in the whole the world. It tallies with the descriptions of cultures in various parts of Jamboodvipa found in Puranas and MBh. > > > > -VJ > > > > ============ ===== ============ > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar > > > > > Sunday, May 3, 2009 5:55:08 PM > > Re: meru parvat - to vinayji 3/5 > > > > Dear Vinay ji > > > > if u r refering to to Jamboo dweepa as what the westerners called the Pangea here is the link > > > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Pangaea > > > > which shows the continetal drift theory where AMERICAS [north south] and europe, saudi arabia, australia, India and smaller pieces that could not join the big break ups as islands > > > > then u r close to AKK's call that all of Hindu/vedic knowledge is purely lifted from the greek > > > > which is beyond the truth > > > > as the multiple discpplines in any subject Vedic heritage is way ahead > > > > Egyptians did steal/smuggle many vedic scholars and took most of our traditional wisdom > > > > Mayan civilisation has many close similarities to Vedic and in all civiilisations the fire, sun etc are supreme forces-gods and almost represt whatever astrology attributes to ravi. > > > > the ;onk also suggests some period where it cud have happened also > > > > but superimpose this witht ye Yugas, the puranas etc and come up with something fresh > > > > and till then pl treat every source of info as INFO and none of us can claim possession to original source anyday as vedic heritage never believed in claiming, bragging knowledge just lived by practice alone > > > > transfered knowledge by word of mouth only palm leaves were just intermediate sources till it was memorised and each guru had it written for his sishyas and they once memorised it were asked to destroy it by sprinkling water on it daily after prayers they decayed naturally > > > > u won't find misuse of knowledge like Einstiens Nuke bomb -info of it was for nuclear energy not bombs and he regreted sharing that info of dual use in public after the dirty bombs were used in his lifetime itself > > > > Vidya vinaya sampanae is vedic rest is barbaric > > > > Prashant > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > > > > > Sunday, May 3, 2009 5:30:45 PM > > Re: meru parvat - to vinayji 3/5 > > > > Krishnan Ji, > > You are making wrong statements. Jamboodvip was much bigger than Meru, and there are many ancient references which put it outside India. It was regarded as the highest point, being the centre of Cosmos, hence Varah Mihira called it North Pole. Suryasiddhanta says it is at equator. Neither North Pole nor equator can be located in India. Narapatijayacharya says it is said to be at the centre of Earth but is not found there , the reason was people had lost the knowledge of Africa which was known to ancient sages who said Meru was at equator in Jamboodvip. Jamboodvip is a sigle big contintnt which Euripeans have artificially named as Africa, Europe and Asia. This new nomenclature is misleading you. > > -vj > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > vattem krishnan bursar_99 > > > > > Sunday, May 3, 2009 11:29:02 AM > > Re: meru parvat - to vinayji 3/5 > > > > Dear Sirs, > > The evolutionary trends continue to be there.Our reverred scriptures identified MERU as part of Bharat varshe,Bharat Khande.This position is not contested or changed so far by any one.The importance of MERU for the people of Inidian origin is Supreme and continues to be there.There should not be a second thought about it.Till the end of kaliyug ,it continues to be related to Jambu dweepe and can never be altered > > vrkrishnan > > > > --- On Sun, 5/3/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> > > Re: meru parvat - to vinayji 3/5 > > > > Sunday, May 3, 2009, 1:45 AM > > > > For the curious. ////CAVEAT: This is not scientific or superscientific evidence!/// / > > > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Human_evolution > > > > RR > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Arjun ji > > > > > > a very valied point the sankalpa part when we say > > > > > > Bharatha varasha, Bharatha Khande > > > Meru dakshina dik bhagae. > > > > > > for southern ppl Ganga -Kaveri madhyae... > > > > > > the continental drift theory propounder belive Indian sub-continent broke away from E.AFRICA and joined the Asian plate and as it moves northwards the Himalays formed etc... > > > > > > Erdy Australia similarly is belived to be part of S Indian plateau even the soil is similar in chennaim perth it is said.... > > > > > > the later part is non astrological or Hindu scriptures based but does suggest the way some ppl see History, geography in the eyes of the Imperialists version of history to suit their version > > > > > > we r partsuperior they r as they r from European blood > > > > > > but there is also a theory tha Mankind was born in South africa and moved upwards to Europe, asia... > > > of African breed > > > > > > Prashant > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...> > > > > > > Sunday, May 3, 2009 6:19:44 AM > > > meru parvat - to vinayji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear vinayji > > > > > > from few old posts of you and from a link provided by you, i guess you are suggesting the holy meru parvat is in africa. if this surmise of mine is wrong, kindly ignore this mail as a misunderstood query. > > > > > > if you are indeed suggesting mount meru as the one from africa, i fail to understand why the puranas and other ancient scriptures described meru parvant or mount meru as different and not surely as in africa. > > > > > > the significance of mount meru in hindu mythology as well as in hindu tradition is so high that one purana narrates three full CHAPTERS on describing the mount meru where THOUSANDS of lines were narrating not on the mythical properties but pure mathematical and geographical descriptions of the meru parvat with distances and names of all the mountains far and near and much more. of course all these names were medieval names but surely from these various chapters, i understand mount meru is not from africa in my limited history knowledge. > > > > > > besides your version of mount meru in africa, i also request professors like vattem krishnanji on their understanding from history as to where this mount meru lies. if this mount meru is not what we believe and is in africa as presented by vinayji, then crores of brahmins are committing an error in their daily sankalpam as to which direction from meru they are. your answer helps us understand to which side of meru we are so that we can pronounce the sankalpam correctly. > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > pandit arjun > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2009 Report Share Posted May 4, 2009 Suresh ji, There is a belief or perhaps some anecdotal evidence that there are genetic shifts in what we label as Human culture or cohort. Hence there are mentions of Atlanteans, Mayans etc. Infact why go that far back, and just look at the Romans or even the Greek or Chinese? The modern Roman is a very different 'being' than the one in Julius Caesar's times. Perhaps there has been some subtle genetic shift as well since Aristotle's times and Onassis Ji's times! But certainly one can imagine that in prehistoric times such as when Atlantis existed (and many speculations exist) the beings were perhaps not the same or similar in their mental, psychological and perhaps genetic make up either. This is all very speculative so please do not run with it! :-) Why is it difficult to then imagine that the Indian in Satyuga, even though living in the same India that exists today or in Treta, Dwapara could be significantly different from the Indian that walks the street of Ayodhya or Dwarka today. I do not mean just in the way he or she dresses or even thinks, but in their genetic makeup or their species-related (special?) characteristics? All this sounds fantastic, but what is new? To the average Joe out there, even astrology sounds fantastic but to us who had been butting our heads at it for years at the very least, don't the JOEs seem misinformed? RR , " sureshbabuag " <sureshbabuag wrote: > > Namsthe, > > It seems that there is some substance but confusing in what Vinay ji has written. > > There is a practice related with death rites. If one is very poor to cunduct such rites, it is ordained that the ancestors will be pleased if the person stands in a junction and proclaims loudly that he caanot afford to do the rites and the offering of a handfull of sand is enough to please the ancestors. > > A few back, I saw on BBC channel, the people of an african village doing the same thing outside their village when they had to leave it due to famine. > > further, there is a part of " Vitharini Nadi " regarding the crossing of the soul during the last rite rituals as practiced by brahmins. I have seen / read about this as practiced in some of spain etc. The rich / kings when dead , the body used to be put on a boat sent into the river burning. > > Hence we can find many such similarities of even names as far as in Russia. > > But the confusing part, Sanskrit , rituals etc only exist now in India. In other parts of the world, the rituals are forgone. Why?. and it was never as complicated & systematic as in India. More over these rituals are still practiced in India while, there is practically nothing left in other parts of the world to establish any authentic link. > > recently I happened to another article on genetic research where it was found a few sect in parts of tamilnadu has their genetic link with those of african people. But again, there is no evidence that of Brahmanical link to say that higher knowledge came from Africa. > > If Africans had such knowldege of advanced subjects why is it not evident now. Even the egyptians believed that the pharos where gods (or it mere outsiders) & never equated them to the locals. > > Mayan culture is total gone. Purhaps the only link we have could be the " Mayamatham " , a Vastu sastra treatise still held in high respect. > > I have also heard that ituria in Africa gets its name from Maharshi Atri. Similarly " Neela nadi " mentioned in puranas could be River Nile. But could not do more research on the subject. > > Once can seen a lot of links but difficult to get any concrete continuation. It is matter of surprise that the african language in any form does not have any semblence with Indian languages including Sanskrit. I may be wrong here, Purhaps, it may because I have not done enough research on the subject. > > Hence, I think It would be beneficial if we keep our minds open look at ideas & explore every bit of knowledge without love / hate / passion. > > With warm regards > A.G.Suresh Babu shenoy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant ji, > > > > I devoted 12 years on comparative linguistics and I know vedic language is the original language, but as long as Western hegemony remains it will be impossible to establish truth. > > > > If you think Africa's ancient past was pagan then you are mistaken. Vedic culture was practised over entire Jamboodvipa, of which Bharata-varsha was only a small, although most important, part. Creation was created from Mt Meru in Kenya, but actual history of Vedic peoples was centred in India from the very beginning. It is a long history everywhere forgotten, only some portions of Puranas mention it. > > > > Read my article Yajna posted today, it provides an irrefutable proof of Vedic origin of prehistoric Greeks. AKK is just opposite of facts. > > > > -VJ > > > > > > ________________________________ > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> > > > > Monday, May 4, 2009 10:24:36 AM > > Re: meru parvat - to vinayji 3/5 > > > > > > > > > > > > Vinay ji > > > > I DID NOT SAY I APPROVE OF AKK;s views > > > > nor did I say Vedic culture is imported from greece, egypy etc... > > > > pl re-read my post > > > > I am clear that egypt got the knowledge by hijacking many scholars from India and killed them after their scholars learnt the subject and from egypt it sprread to West-europe ZERO, CHEMISTRY OR RASAYANA SHASTRA BY Charaka and his compatriot [i forget the name for the moment] > > > > I have said by ur ALLUDING Mt Meru to Kenya u r approving AKK so make sure it is so nothe otherway as u assume I said > > > > also read the PANGEA link i sent u i am actually using the word for the 1st time [in the sarch as i heard the word never read about it till now earlier i had only heard of the word may be 35 yrs ago never had a chance to read it though understood it from the time i heard it in a radio program in apr 74 while I was in my 7th std in Bangalore > > > > there is no way one language can be part of such a vast spread of mankind even Bharatha varsha, bharata khande had the Prakruit, sanskirt and other local strains, culture, rituals also do differ and there can be similarities as said in the way fire, Sun was worshipped in all cultures [except the Monoliths that came later, church, mosues] > > > > Thanks > > > > prashant > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > > > > > Sunday, May 3, 2009 7:05:52 PM > > Re: meru parvat - to vinayji 3/5 > > > > Prashant Ji, > > > > MBh gives Jamboodvip's dimensions as 18600 yojanas. Measure of yojana changes from time to time. All astronomical texts of ancient India give Earth's diameter as 1100-1600 yojanas only, hence 18600 yojana for Jamboodvip cannot belong to that period in history when yojana's value was much larhe. Sayana refers to a shruti in RV,i,50 that Surya (which Mr subhash Kak reads as spped of light) moves at a speed of 2202 yojana per half nimisha. If this is actually the speed of light, then this value of yojana makes 18600 yojana exactly equal to the distance from Cape Town to Bering Starits in far east of Siberia. > > > > You are misled by forerunners of AKK who distorted Indian history. Geographical India is a small country, but what we know as Indian culture was practised over entire Jamboodvip, which is narrated in ancient texts. Names of countries in Jamboodvip which were outside India can be found in many Puranas and MBh. On the other hand, there is no ancient proof to limit Jamboodvip to merely India, India is a small part of Jamboodvip. Secondly, no ancient text says Mt Meru was within India. But it does not mean Indian culture was imported from Greece or Egypt. The contrary is true : > > > > The greatest Greek comedian Aristophanes wrote a comedy The Birds around ~400 BC, which said the ancestors of Greeks offered oblations into fire whose smoke went into Heavens to feed gods. It proves the existence of ritualistic Vedic Yajna among the ancestors of greeks. Yet, Europeans falsely teach us that the ancestors of Aryans practised a simple religion based on prayers like the psalms of Bible, and declared Rgveda to be the original Veda because it was a book of prayers, and Yajurveda was the invention of non Aryan brahmins who invented Yajna. Rgveda and YV name each other innumerable times, and their language is also contemporary. Yet, many Indians believe in this false propaganda and fail to read Greek evidences which show Yajna was practised bt their remote ancestors. The word Europa in Greek meant " easterlies (winds " and European means " those who came from the East " ! > > > > The existence of Sanskrit placenames like Meru in Kenya or Kinyangiri in Tanzania does not mean India was a part of Kenya. It means a single language and culture was practised in the whole the world. It tallies with the descriptions of cultures in various parts of Jamboodvipa found in Puranas and MBh. > > > > -VJ > > > > ============ ===== ============ > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > > > > > Sunday, May 3, 2009 5:55:08 PM > > Re: meru parvat - to vinayji 3/5 > > > > Dear Vinay ji > > > > if u r refering to to Jamboo dweepa as what the westerners called the Pangea here is the link > > > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Pangaea > > > > which shows the continetal drift theory where AMERICAS [north south] and europe, saudi arabia, australia, India and smaller pieces that could not join the big break ups as islands > > > > then u r close to AKK's call that all of Hindu/vedic knowledge is purely lifted from the greek > > > > which is beyond the truth > > > > as the multiple discpplines in any subject Vedic heritage is way ahead > > > > Egyptians did steal/smuggle many vedic scholars and took most of our traditional wisdom > > > > Mayan civilisation has many close similarities to Vedic and in all civiilisations the fire, sun etc are supreme forces-gods and almost represt whatever astrology attributes to ravi. > > > > the ;onk also suggests some period where it cud have happened also > > > > but superimpose this witht ye Yugas, the puranas etc and come up with something fresh > > > > and till then pl treat every source of info as INFO and none of us can claim possession to original source anyday as vedic heritage never believed in claiming, bragging knowledge just lived by practice alone > > > > transfered knowledge by word of mouth only palm leaves were just intermediate sources till it was memorised and each guru had it written for his sishyas and they once memorised it were asked to destroy it by sprinkling water on it daily after prayers they decayed naturally > > > > u won't find misuse of knowledge like Einstiens Nuke bomb -info of it was for nuclear energy not bombs and he regreted sharing that info of dual use in public after the dirty bombs were used in his lifetime itself > > > > Vidya vinaya sampanae is vedic rest is barbaric > > > > Prashant > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > > > > > Sunday, May 3, 2009 5:30:45 PM > > Re: meru parvat - to vinayji 3/5 > > > > Krishnan Ji, > > You are making wrong statements. Jamboodvip was much bigger than Meru, and there are many ancient references which put it outside India. It was regarded as the highest point, being the centre of Cosmos, hence Varah Mihira called it North Pole. Suryasiddhanta says it is at equator. Neither North Pole nor equator can be located in India. Narapatijayacharya says it is said to be at the centre of Earth but is not found there , the reason was people had lost the knowledge of Africa which was known to ancient sages who said Meru was at equator in Jamboodvip. Jamboodvip is a sigle big contintnt which Euripeans have artificially named as Africa, Europe and Asia. This new nomenclature is misleading you. > > -vj > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > vattem krishnan <bursar_99 > > > > > Sunday, May 3, 2009 11:29:02 AM > > Re: meru parvat - to vinayji 3/5 > > > > Dear Sirs, > > The evolutionary trends continue to be there.Our reverred scriptures identified MERU as part of Bharat varshe,Bharat Khande.This position is not contested or changed so far by any one.The importance of MERU for the people of Inidian origin is Supreme and continues to be there.There should not be a second thought about it.Till the end of kaliyug ,it continues to be related to Jambu dweepe and can never be altered > > vrkrishnan > > > > --- On Sun, 5/3/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> > > Re: meru parvat - to vinayji 3/5 > > > > Sunday, May 3, 2009, 1:45 AM > > > > For the curious. ////CAVEAT: This is not scientific or superscientific evidence!/// / > > > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Human_evolution > > > > RR > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Arjun ji > > > > > > a very valied point the sankalpa part when we say > > > > > > Bharatha varasha, Bharatha Khande > > > Meru dakshina dik bhagae. > > > > > > for southern ppl Ganga -Kaveri madhyae... > > > > > > the continental drift theory propounder belive Indian sub-continent broke away from E.AFRICA and joined the Asian plate and as it moves northwards the Himalays formed etc... > > > > > > Erdy Australia similarly is belived to be part of S Indian plateau even the soil is similar in chennaim perth it is said.... > > > > > > the later part is non astrological or Hindu scriptures based but does suggest the way some ppl see History, geography in the eyes of the Imperialists version of history to suit their version > > > > > > we r partsuperior they r as they r from European blood > > > > > > but there is also a theory tha Mankind was born in South africa and moved upwards to Europe, asia... > > > of African breed > > > > > > Prashant > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...> > > > > > > Sunday, May 3, 2009 6:19:44 AM > > > meru parvat - to vinayji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear vinayji > > > > > > from few old posts of you and from a link provided by you, i guess you are suggesting the holy meru parvat is in africa. if this surmise of mine is wrong, kindly ignore this mail as a misunderstood query. > > > > > > if you are indeed suggesting mount meru as the one from africa, i fail to understand why the puranas and other ancient scriptures described meru parvant or mount meru as different and not surely as in africa. > > > > > > the significance of mount meru in hindu mythology as well as in hindu tradition is so high that one purana narrates three full CHAPTERS on describing the mount meru where THOUSANDS of lines were narrating not on the mythical properties but pure mathematical and geographical descriptions of the meru parvat with distances and names of all the mountains far and near and much more. of course all these names were medieval names but surely from these various chapters, i understand mount meru is not from africa in my limited history knowledge. > > > > > > besides your version of mount meru in africa, i also request professors like vattem krishnanji on their understanding from history as to where this mount meru lies. if this mount meru is not what we believe and is in africa as presented by vinayji, then crores of brahmins are committing an error in their daily sankalpam as to which direction from meru they are. your answer helps us understand to which side of meru we are so that we can pronounce the sankalpam correctly. > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > pandit arjun > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2009 Report Share Posted May 5, 2009 RR Ji, Your ideas have weight. I had read that there is no major genetic difference between modern Europeans and prehistoric Europeans of 3000 BC, which is used as a proof in favour of European Homeland of PIE (Proto Indo-Europeans). But I have also read that same is the case with India, although much attempt has been made to find some trace of European element. There are indeed some common traits between europeans and Indians, but so is the case with other groups. It leads me to conclude that no major migration took place either way after 3000 BC. Whatever migration occurred must belong to 20000 - 40000 BC. -VJ ________________________________ Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan Tuesday, May 5, 2009 4:57:57 AM Re: meru parvat - to vinayji 3/5 Suresh ji, There is a belief or perhaps some anecdotal evidence that there are genetic shifts in what we label as Human culture or cohort. Hence there are mentions of Atlanteans, Mayans etc. Infact why go that far back, and just look at the Romans or even the Greek or Chinese? The modern Roman is a very different 'being' than the one in Julius Caesar's times. Perhaps there has been some subtle genetic shift as well since Aristotle's times and Onassis Ji's times! But certainly one can imagine that in prehistoric times such as when Atlantis existed (and many speculations exist) the beings were perhaps not the same or similar in their mental, psychological and perhaps genetic make up either. This is all very speculative so please do not run with it! :-) Why is it difficult to then imagine that the Indian in Satyuga, even though living in the same India that exists today or in Treta, Dwapara could be significantly different from the Indian that walks the street of Ayodhya or Dwarka today. I do not mean just in the way he or she dresses or even thinks, but in their genetic makeup or their species-related (special?) characteristics? All this sounds fantastic, but what is new? To the average Joe out there, even astrology sounds fantastic but to us who had been butting our heads at it for years at the very least, don't the JOEs seem misinformed? RR , " sureshbabuag " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > Namsthe, > > It seems that there is some substance but confusing in what Vinay ji has written. > > There is a practice related with death rites. If one is very poor to cunduct such rites, it is ordained that the ancestors will be pleased if the person stands in a junction and proclaims loudly that he caanot afford to do the rites and the offering of a handfull of sand is enough to please the ancestors. > > A few back, I saw on BBC channel, the people of an african village doing the same thing outside their village when they had to leave it due to famine. > > further, there is a part of " Vitharini Nadi " regarding the crossing of the soul during the last rite rituals as practiced by brahmins. I have seen / read about this as practiced in some of spain etc. The rich / kings when dead , the body used to be put on a boat sent into the river burning. > > Hence we can find many such similarities of even names as far as in Russia. > > But the confusing part, Sanskrit , rituals etc only exist now in India. In other parts of the world, the rituals are forgone. Why?. and it was never as complicated & systematic as in India. More over these rituals are still practiced in India while, there is practically nothing left in other parts of the world to establish any authentic link. > > recently I happened to another article on genetic research where it was found a few sect in parts of tamilnadu has their genetic link with those of african people. But again, there is no evidence that of Brahmanical link to say that higher knowledge came from Africa. > > If Africans had such knowldege of advanced subjects why is it not evident now. Even the egyptians believed that the pharos where gods (or it mere outsiders) & never equated them to the locals. > > Mayan culture is total gone. Purhaps the only link we have could be the " Mayamatham " , a Vastu sastra treatise still held in high respect. > > I have also heard that ituria in Africa gets its name from Maharshi Atri. Similarly " Neela nadi " mentioned in puranas could be River Nile. But could not do more research on the subject. > > Once can seen a lot of links but difficult to get any concrete continuation. It is matter of surprise that the african language in any form does not have any semblence with Indian languages including Sanskrit. I may be wrong here, Purhaps, it may because I have not done enough research on the subject. > > Hence, I think It would be beneficial if we keep our minds open look at ideas & explore every bit of knowledge without love / hate / passion. > > With warm regards > A.G.Suresh Babu shenoy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant ji, > > > > I devoted 12 years on comparative linguistics and I know vedic language is the original language, but as long as Western hegemony remains it will be impossible to establish truth. > > > > If you think Africa's ancient past was pagan then you are mistaken. Vedic culture was practised over entire Jamboodvipa, of which Bharata-varsha was only a small, although most important, part. Creation was created from Mt Meru in Kenya, but actual history of Vedic peoples was centred in India from the very beginning. It is a long history everywhere forgotten, only some portions of Puranas mention it. > > > > Read my article Yajna posted today, it provides an irrefutable proof of Vedic origin of prehistoric Greeks. AKK is just opposite of facts. > > > > -VJ > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> > > > > Monday, May 4, 2009 10:24:36 AM > > Re: meru parvat - to vinayji 3/5 > > > > > > > > > > > > Vinay ji > > > > I DID NOT SAY I APPROVE OF AKK;s views > > > > nor did I say Vedic culture is imported from greece, egypy etc... > > > > pl re-read my post > > > > I am clear that egypt got the knowledge by hijacking many scholars from India and killed them after their scholars learnt the subject and from egypt it sprread to West-europe ZERO, CHEMISTRY OR RASAYANA SHASTRA BY Charaka and his compatriot [i forget the name for the moment] > > > > I have said by ur ALLUDING Mt Meru to Kenya u r approving AKK so make sure it is so nothe otherway as u assume I said > > > > also read the PANGEA link i sent u i am actually using the word for the 1st time [in the sarch as i heard the word never read about it till now earlier i had only heard of the word may be 35 yrs ago never had a chance to read it though understood it from the time i heard it in a radio program in apr 74 while I was in my 7th std in Bangalore > > > > there is no way one language can be part of such a vast spread of mankind even Bharatha varsha, bharata khande had the Prakruit, sanskirt and other local strains, culture, rituals also do differ and there can be similarities as said in the way fire, Sun was worshipped in all cultures [except the Monoliths that came later, church, mosues] > > > > Thanks > > > > prashant > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > > > > > Sunday, May 3, 2009 7:05:52 PM > > Re: meru parvat - to vinayji 3/5 > > > > Prashant Ji, > > > > MBh gives Jamboodvip's dimensions as 18600 yojanas. Measure of yojana changes from time to time. All astronomical texts of ancient India give Earth's diameter as 1100-1600 yojanas only, hence 18600 yojana for Jamboodvip cannot belong to that period in history when yojana's value was much larhe. Sayana refers to a shruti in RV,i,50 that Surya (which Mr subhash Kak reads as spped of light) moves at a speed of 2202 yojana per half nimisha. If this is actually the speed of light, then this value of yojana makes 18600 yojana exactly equal to the distance from Cape Town to Bering Starits in far east of Siberia. > > > > You are misled by forerunners of AKK who distorted Indian history. Geographical India is a small country, but what we know as Indian culture was practised over entire Jamboodvip, which is narrated in ancient texts. Names of countries in Jamboodvip which were outside India can be found in many Puranas and MBh. On the other hand, there is no ancient proof to limit Jamboodvip to merely India, India is a small part of Jamboodvip. Secondly, no ancient text says Mt Meru was within India. But it does not mean Indian culture was imported from Greece or Egypt. The contrary is true : > > > > The greatest Greek comedian Aristophanes wrote a comedy The Birds around ~400 BC, which said the ancestors of Greeks offered oblations into fire whose smoke went into Heavens to feed gods. It proves the existence of ritualistic Vedic Yajna among the ancestors of greeks. Yet, Europeans falsely teach us that the ancestors of Aryans practised a simple religion based on prayers like the psalms of Bible, and declared Rgveda to be the original Veda because it was a book of prayers, and Yajurveda was the invention of non Aryan brahmins who invented Yajna. Rgveda and YV name each other innumerable times, and their language is also contemporary. Yet, many Indians believe in this false propaganda and fail to read Greek evidences which show Yajna was practised bt their remote ancestors. The word Europa in Greek meant " easterlies (winds " and European means " those who came from the East " ! > > > > The existence of Sanskrit placenames like Meru in Kenya or Kinyangiri in Tanzania does not mean India was a part of Kenya. It means a single language and culture was practised in the whole the world. It tallies with the descriptions of cultures in various parts of Jamboodvipa found in Puranas and MBh. > > > > -VJ > > > > ============ ===== ============ > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > > > > > Sunday, May 3, 2009 5:55:08 PM > > Re: meru parvat - to vinayji 3/5 > > > > Dear Vinay ji > > > > if u r refering to to Jamboo dweepa as what the westerners called the Pangea here is the link > > > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Pangaea > > > > which shows the continetal drift theory where AMERICAS [north south] and europe, saudi arabia, australia, India and smaller pieces that could not join the big break ups as islands > > > > then u r close to AKK's call that all of Hindu/vedic knowledge is purely lifted from the greek > > > > which is beyond the truth > > > > as the multiple discpplines in any subject Vedic heritage is way ahead > > > > Egyptians did steal/smuggle many vedic scholars and took most of our traditional wisdom > > > > Mayan civilisation has many close similarities to Vedic and in all civiilisations the fire, sun etc are supreme forces-gods and almost represt whatever astrology attributes to ravi. > > > > the ;onk also suggests some period where it cud have happened also > > > > but superimpose this witht ye Yugas, the puranas etc and come up with something fresh > > > > and till then pl treat every source of info as INFO and none of us can claim possession to original source anyday as vedic heritage never believed in claiming, bragging knowledge just lived by practice alone > > > > transfered knowledge by word of mouth only palm leaves were just intermediate sources till it was memorised and each guru had it written for his sishyas and they once memorised it were asked to destroy it by sprinkling water on it daily after prayers they decayed naturally > > > > u won't find misuse of knowledge like Einstiens Nuke bomb -info of it was for nuclear energy not bombs and he regreted sharing that info of dual use in public after the dirty bombs were used in his lifetime itself > > > > Vidya vinaya sampanae is vedic rest is barbaric > > > > Prashant > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > > > > > Sunday, May 3, 2009 5:30:45 PM > > Re: meru parvat - to vinayji 3/5 > > > > Krishnan Ji, > > You are making wrong statements. Jamboodvip was much bigger than Meru, and there are many ancient references which put it outside India. It was regarded as the highest point, being the centre of Cosmos, hence Varah Mihira called it North Pole. Suryasiddhanta says it is at equator. Neither North Pole nor equator can be located in India. Narapatijayacharya says it is said to be at the centre of Earth but is not found there , the reason was people had lost the knowledge of Africa which was known to ancient sages who said Meru was at equator in Jamboodvip. Jamboodvip is a sigle big contintnt which Euripeans have artificially named as Africa, Europe and Asia. This new nomenclature is misleading you. > > -vj > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > vattem krishnan <bursar_99 > > > > > Sunday, May 3, 2009 11:29:02 AM > > Re: meru parvat - to vinayji 3/5 > > > > Dear Sirs, > > The evolutionary trends continue to be there.Our reverred scriptures identified MERU as part of Bharat varshe,Bharat Khande.This position is not contested or changed so far by any one.The importance of MERU for the people of Inidian origin is Supreme and continues to be there.There should not be a second thought about it.Till the end of kaliyug ,it continues to be related to Jambu dweepe and can never be altered > > vrkrishnan > > > > --- On Sun, 5/3/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> > > Re: meru parvat - to vinayji 3/5 > > > > Sunday, May 3, 2009, 1:45 AM > > > > For the curious. ////CAVEAT: This is not scientific or superscientific evidence!/// / > > > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Human_evolution > > > > RR > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Arjun ji > > > > > > a very valied point the sankalpa part when we say > > > > > > Bharatha varasha, Bharatha Khande > > > Meru dakshina dik bhagae. > > > > > > for southern ppl Ganga -Kaveri madhyae... > > > > > > the continental drift theory propounder belive Indian sub-continent broke away from E.AFRICA and joined the Asian plate and as it moves northwards the Himalays formed etc... > > > > > > Erdy Australia similarly is belived to be part of S Indian plateau even the soil is similar in chennaim perth it is said.... > > > > > > the later part is non astrological or Hindu scriptures based but does suggest the way some ppl see History, geography in the eyes of the Imperialists version of history to suit their version > > > > > > we r partsuperior they r as they r from European blood > > > > > > but there is also a theory tha Mankind was born in South africa and moved upwards to Europe, asia... > > > of African breed > > > > > > Prashant > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...> > > > > > > Sunday, May 3, 2009 6:19:44 AM > > > meru parvat - to vinayji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear vinayji > > > > > > from few old posts of you and from a link provided by you, i guess you are suggesting the holy meru parvat is in africa. if this surmise of mine is wrong, kindly ignore this mail as a misunderstood query. > > > > > > if you are indeed suggesting mount meru as the one from africa, i fail to understand why the puranas and other ancient scriptures described meru parvant or mount meru as different and not surely as in africa. > > > > > > the significance of mount meru in hindu mythology as well as in hindu tradition is so high that one purana narrates three full CHAPTERS on describing the mount meru where THOUSANDS of lines were narrating not on the mythical properties but pure mathematical and geographical descriptions of the meru parvat with distances and names of all the mountains far and near and much more. of course all these names were medieval names but surely from these various chapters, i understand mount meru is not from africa in my limited history knowledge. > > > > > > besides your version of mount meru in africa, i also request professors like vattem krishnanji on their understanding from history as to where this mount meru lies. if this mount meru is not what we believe and is in africa as presented by vinayji, then crores of brahmins are committing an error in their daily sankalpam as to which direction from meru they are. your answer helps us understand to which side of meru we are so that we can pronounce the sankalpam correctly. > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > pandit arjun > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2009 Report Share Posted May 5, 2009 Vinay Ji, Perhaps a geneticist, if one exists in the forum (and willing to come out of the closet ;-), alone can tell how these comparisons can be made over the millennia, unless someone found ancient human DNA etc but perhaps there may be other scientific techniques. I had read long ago that there was a mass-migration from China-Mongolia up Russia, across Behring strait and down into the Americas. These are believed to be the first " Immigrants " from Asia into the Americas and the foreparents of the wonderful people once known as Red-Indian (due to Chris Columbus and his world-famous poor navigational skills [Just joking!] then became known as Native Americans and related subgroups. This is believed to have taken place about 20-30000 years ago. Again, I have no clue how the 'dating' was done or how much 'off' it is from actual. Perhaps a genetic comparison between modern native americans and modern chinese from Mongolian regions may give some evidence of any genetic drift or shift. Of course there has been tremendous amount of genetic mixing over the millennia at least in the Native americans and maybe this migration does not explain everything because the different type of Native Americans have very significant differences in physical appearance, build etc. RR , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > RR Ji, > > Your ideas have weight. I had read that there is no major genetic difference between modern Europeans and prehistoric Europeans of 3000 BC, which is used as a proof in favour of European Homeland of PIE (Proto Indo-Europeans). But I have also read that same is the case with India, although much attempt has been made to find some trace of European element. There are indeed some common traits between europeans and Indians, but so is the case with other groups. It leads me to conclude that no major migration took place either way after 3000 BC. Whatever migration occurred must belong to 20000 - 40000 BC. > > -VJ > > > > > ________________________________ > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan > > Tuesday, May 5, 2009 4:57:57 AM > Re: meru parvat - to vinayji 3/5 > > > > > > Suresh ji, > > There is a belief or perhaps some anecdotal evidence that there are genetic shifts in what we label as Human culture or cohort. Hence there are mentions of Atlanteans, Mayans etc. Infact why go that far back, and just look at the Romans or even the Greek or Chinese? The modern Roman is a very different 'being' than the one in Julius Caesar's times. Perhaps there has been some subtle genetic shift as well since Aristotle's times and Onassis Ji's times! > > But certainly one can imagine that in prehistoric times such as when Atlantis existed (and many speculations exist) the beings were perhaps not the same or similar in their mental, psychological and perhaps genetic make up either. This is all very speculative so please do not run with it! :-) > > Why is it difficult to then imagine that the Indian in Satyuga, even though living in the same India that exists today or in Treta, Dwapara could be significantly different from the Indian that walks the street of Ayodhya or Dwarka today. I do not mean just in the way he or she dresses or even thinks, but in their genetic makeup or their species-related (special?) characteristics? > > All this sounds fantastic, but what is new? To the average Joe out there, even astrology sounds fantastic but to us who had been butting our heads at it for years at the very least, don't the JOEs seem misinformed? > > RR > > , " sureshbabuag " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > Namsthe, > > > > It seems that there is some substance but confusing in what Vinay ji has written. > > > > There is a practice related with death rites. If one is very poor to cunduct such rites, it is ordained that the ancestors will be pleased if the person stands in a junction and proclaims loudly that he caanot afford to do the rites and the offering of a handfull of sand is enough to please the ancestors. > > > > A few back, I saw on BBC channel, the people of an african village doing the same thing outside their village when they had to leave it due to famine. > > > > further, there is a part of " Vitharini Nadi " regarding the crossing of the soul during the last rite rituals as practiced by brahmins. I have seen / read about this as practiced in some of spain etc. The rich / kings when dead , the body used to be put on a boat sent into the river burning. > > > > Hence we can find many such similarities of even names as far as in Russia. > > > > But the confusing part, Sanskrit , rituals etc only exist now in India. In other parts of the world, the rituals are forgone. Why?. and it was never as complicated & systematic as in India. More over these rituals are still practiced in India while, there is practically nothing left in other parts of the world to establish any authentic link. > > > > recently I happened to another article on genetic research where it was found a few sect in parts of tamilnadu has their genetic link with those of african people. But again, there is no evidence that of Brahmanical link to say that higher knowledge came from Africa. > > > > If Africans had such knowldege of advanced subjects why is it not evident now. Even the egyptians believed that the pharos where gods (or it mere outsiders) & never equated them to the locals. > > > > Mayan culture is total gone. Purhaps the only link we have could be the " Mayamatham " , a Vastu sastra treatise still held in high respect. > > > > I have also heard that ituria in Africa gets its name from Maharshi Atri. Similarly " Neela nadi " mentioned in puranas could be River Nile. But could not do more research on the subject. > > > > Once can seen a lot of links but difficult to get any concrete continuation. It is matter of surprise that the african language in any form does not have any semblence with Indian languages including Sanskrit. I may be wrong here, Purhaps, it may because I have not done enough research on the subject. > > > > Hence, I think It would be beneficial if we keep our minds open look at ideas & explore every bit of knowledge without love / hate / passion. > > > > With warm regards > > A.G.Suresh Babu shenoy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant ji, > > > > > > I devoted 12 years on comparative linguistics and I know vedic language is the original language, but as long as Western hegemony remains it will be impossible to establish truth. > > > > > > If you think Africa's ancient past was pagan then you are mistaken. Vedic culture was practised over entire Jamboodvipa, of which Bharata-varsha was only a small, although most important, part. Creation was created from Mt Meru in Kenya, but actual history of Vedic peoples was centred in India from the very beginning. It is a long history everywhere forgotten, only some portions of Puranas mention it. > > > > > > Read my article Yajna posted today, it provides an irrefutable proof of Vedic origin of prehistoric Greeks. AKK is just opposite of facts. > > > > > > -VJ > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> > > > > > > Monday, May 4, 2009 10:24:36 AM > > > Re: meru parvat - to vinayji 3/5 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vinay ji > > > > > > I DID NOT SAY I APPROVE OF AKK;s views > > > > > > nor did I say Vedic culture is imported from greece, egypy etc... > > > > > > pl re-read my post > > > > > > I am clear that egypt got the knowledge by hijacking many scholars from India and killed them after their scholars learnt the subject and from egypt it sprread to West-europe ZERO, CHEMISTRY OR RASAYANA SHASTRA BY Charaka and his compatriot [i forget the name for the moment] > > > > > > I have said by ur ALLUDING Mt Meru to Kenya u r approving AKK so make sure it is so nothe otherway as u assume I said > > > > > > also read the PANGEA link i sent u i am actually using the word for the 1st time [in the sarch as i heard the word never read about it till now earlier i had only heard of the word may be 35 yrs ago never had a chance to read it though understood it from the time i heard it in a radio program in apr 74 while I was in my 7th std in Bangalore > > > > > > there is no way one language can be part of such a vast spread of mankind even Bharatha varsha, bharata khande had the Prakruit, sanskirt and other local strains, culture, rituals also do differ and there can be similarities as said in the way fire, Sun was worshipped in all cultures [except the Monoliths that came later, church, mosues] > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > > > > > > > Sunday, May 3, 2009 7:05:52 PM > > > Re: meru parvat - to vinayji 3/5 > > > > > > Prashant Ji, > > > > > > MBh gives Jamboodvip's dimensions as 18600 yojanas. Measure of yojana changes from time to time. All astronomical texts of ancient India give Earth's diameter as 1100-1600 yojanas only, hence 18600 yojana for Jamboodvip cannot belong to that period in history when yojana's value was much larhe. Sayana refers to a shruti in RV,i,50 that Surya (which Mr subhash Kak reads as spped of light) moves at a speed of 2202 yojana per half nimisha. If this is actually the speed of light, then this value of yojana makes 18600 yojana exactly equal to the distance from Cape Town to Bering Starits in far east of Siberia. > > > > > > You are misled by forerunners of AKK who distorted Indian history. Geographical India is a small country, but what we know as Indian culture was practised over entire Jamboodvip, which is narrated in ancient texts. Names of countries in Jamboodvip which were outside India can be found in many Puranas and MBh. On the other hand, there is no ancient proof to limit Jamboodvip to merely India, India is a small part of Jamboodvip. Secondly, no ancient text says Mt Meru was within India. But it does not mean Indian culture was imported from Greece or Egypt. The contrary is true : > > > > > > The greatest Greek comedian Aristophanes wrote a comedy The Birds around ~400 BC, which said the ancestors of Greeks offered oblations into fire whose smoke went into Heavens to feed gods. It proves the existence of ritualistic Vedic Yajna among the ancestors of greeks. Yet, Europeans falsely teach us that the ancestors of Aryans practised a simple religion based on prayers like the psalms of Bible, and declared Rgveda to be the original Veda because it was a book of prayers, and Yajurveda was the invention of non Aryan brahmins who invented Yajna. Rgveda and YV name each other innumerable times, and their language is also contemporary. Yet, many Indians believe in this false propaganda and fail to read Greek evidences which show Yajna was practised bt their remote ancestors. The word Europa in Greek meant " easterlies (winds " and European means " those who came from the East " ! > > > > > > The existence of Sanskrit placenames like Meru in Kenya or Kinyangiri in Tanzania does not mean India was a part of Kenya. It means a single language and culture was practised in the whole the world. It tallies with the descriptions of cultures in various parts of Jamboodvipa found in Puranas and MBh. > > > > > > -VJ > > > > > > ============ ===== ============ > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > > > > > > > Sunday, May 3, 2009 5:55:08 PM > > > Re: meru parvat - to vinayji 3/5 > > > > > > Dear Vinay ji > > > > > > if u r refering to to Jamboo dweepa as what the westerners called the Pangea here is the link > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Pangaea > > > > > > which shows the continetal drift theory where AMERICAS [north south] and europe, saudi arabia, australia, India and smaller pieces that could not join the big break ups as islands > > > > > > then u r close to AKK's call that all of Hindu/vedic knowledge is purely lifted from the greek > > > > > > which is beyond the truth > > > > > > as the multiple discpplines in any subject Vedic heritage is way ahead > > > > > > Egyptians did steal/smuggle many vedic scholars and took most of our traditional wisdom > > > > > > Mayan civilisation has many close similarities to Vedic and in all civiilisations the fire, sun etc are supreme forces-gods and almost represt whatever astrology attributes to ravi. > > > > > > the ;onk also suggests some period where it cud have happened also > > > > > > but superimpose this witht ye Yugas, the puranas etc and come up with something fresh > > > > > > and till then pl treat every source of info as INFO and none of us can claim possession to original source anyday as vedic heritage never believed in claiming, bragging knowledge just lived by practice alone > > > > > > transfered knowledge by word of mouth only palm leaves were just intermediate sources till it was memorised and each guru had it written for his sishyas and they once memorised it were asked to destroy it by sprinkling water on it daily after prayers they decayed naturally > > > > > > u won't find misuse of knowledge like Einstiens Nuke bomb -info of it was for nuclear energy not bombs and he regreted sharing that info of dual use in public after the dirty bombs were used in his lifetime itself > > > > > > Vidya vinaya sampanae is vedic rest is barbaric > > > > > > Prashant > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > > > > > > > Sunday, May 3, 2009 5:30:45 PM > > > Re: meru parvat - to vinayji 3/5 > > > > > > Krishnan Ji, > > > You are making wrong statements. Jamboodvip was much bigger than Meru, and there are many ancient references which put it outside India. It was regarded as the highest point, being the centre of Cosmos, hence Varah Mihira called it North Pole. Suryasiddhanta says it is at equator. Neither North Pole nor equator can be located in India. Narapatijayacharya says it is said to be at the centre of Earth but is not found there , the reason was people had lost the knowledge of Africa which was known to ancient sages who said Meru was at equator in Jamboodvip. Jamboodvip is a sigle big contintnt which Euripeans have artificially named as Africa, Europe and Asia. This new nomenclature is misleading you. > > > -vj > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > vattem krishnan <bursar_99 > > > > > > > Sunday, May 3, 2009 11:29:02 AM > > > Re: meru parvat - to vinayji 3/5 > > > > > > Dear Sirs, > > > The evolutionary trends continue to be there.Our reverred scriptures identified MERU as part of Bharat varshe,Bharat Khande.This position is not contested or changed so far by any one.The importance of MERU for the people of Inidian origin is Supreme and continues to be there.There should not be a second thought about it.Till the end of kaliyug ,it continues to be related to Jambu dweepe and can never be altered > > > vrkrishnan > > > > > > --- On Sun, 5/3/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> > > > Re: meru parvat - to vinayji 3/5 > > > > > > Sunday, May 3, 2009, 1:45 AM > > > > > > For the curious. ////CAVEAT: This is not scientific or superscientific evidence!/// / > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Human_evolution > > > > > > RR > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Arjun ji > > > > > > > > a very valied point the sankalpa part when we say > > > > > > > > Bharatha varasha, Bharatha Khande > > > > Meru dakshina dik bhagae. > > > > > > > > for southern ppl Ganga -Kaveri madhyae... > > > > > > > > the continental drift theory propounder belive Indian sub-continent broke away from E.AFRICA and joined the Asian plate and as it moves northwards the Himalays formed etc... > > > > > > > > Erdy Australia similarly is belived to be part of S Indian plateau even the soil is similar in chennaim perth it is said.... > > > > > > > > the later part is non astrological or Hindu scriptures based but does suggest the way some ppl see History, geography in the eyes of the Imperialists version of history to suit their version > > > > > > > > we r partsuperior they r as they r from European blood > > > > > > > > but there is also a theory tha Mankind was born in South africa and moved upwards to Europe, asia... > > > > of African breed > > > > > > > > Prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...> > > > > > > > > Sunday, May 3, 2009 6:19:44 AM > > > > meru parvat - to vinayji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear vinayji > > > > > > > > from few old posts of you and from a link provided by you, i guess you are suggesting the holy meru parvat is in africa. if this surmise of mine is wrong, kindly ignore this mail as a misunderstood query. > > > > > > > > if you are indeed suggesting mount meru as the one from africa, i fail to understand why the puranas and other ancient scriptures described meru parvant or mount meru as different and not surely as in africa. > > > > > > > > the significance of mount meru in hindu mythology as well as in hindu tradition is so high that one purana narrates three full CHAPTERS on describing the mount meru where THOUSANDS of lines were narrating not on the mythical properties but pure mathematical and geographical descriptions of the meru parvat with distances and names of all the mountains far and near and much more. of course all these names were medieval names but surely from these various chapters, i understand mount meru is not from africa in my limited history knowledge. > > > > > > > > besides your version of mount meru in africa, i also request professors like vattem krishnanji on their understanding from history as to where this mount meru lies. if this mount meru is not what we believe and is in africa as presented by vinayji, then crores of brahmins are committing an error in their daily sankalpam as to which direction from meru they are. your answer helps us understand to which side of meru we are so that we can pronounce the sankalpam correctly. > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > pandit arjun > > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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