Guest guest Posted April 16, 2009 Report Share Posted April 16, 2009 Dear friend, To make study (both teaching and learning )of astrology useful we should avoid intution at all cost at all levels. As ordinary human faculty is unable to differentiate between the signals originating from pure-intelligence (jupiter) and emotions (mind). Note that steadiness of emotion is one of the precondition for becoming a good Jyotish. IT IS SAFER WE AVOID EMOTIONS IN EVERY STATES OF OUR USAGE OF JYOTISH...EITHER LEARNING OR COUNSELLING OR DOING RESEEARCH. With regards and best wishes, Mrutyunjay Tripathy , " Pom " <pankajdhar wrote: > > I agree Prashant Ji. Intuition is the key. > > > But till it is perfect, in my humble opinion- suing a tool as a midway is one of the solutions.As we all do..else we not have been studying astrology... > > Although as per some references pure LOGIC is also intuitive..so more rigrously one works with a framework- the more intuitive one may become- as atleast the subconscious gets trained that way. > > As per some experts( I dont have the reference for the same) intution is an outcome of a) Sub concious b) super conscious proces...to make it un erring the latter needs to de devloepd more.. > > But may be till one reaches that level- one could hold to a)..sharpening the tool....and one way out is focus on only one system at a time..then try to see the redictions.. > > Yes it is a tool. But in my opinion to build up more discipline- one may try to give predictions based on: > > a) Dasha only > b) transits > c) Vedic numbers. > > The idea is to build focus on one system.... I think this helps to build up confidence.. > > Anyways - it is just an input....that convergence...should be there.. or could be there... taht is all.. > > Regards, > Punkajj. > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > Pankaj > > > > not sure why u wanted this msg to be here, did any1 say so? > > > > knowledge can't be stolen, max shared and Jyotishya is no one can claim mastery in it as Intution, karma balance sheet of the querist, astrologer and Almighty's grace need to be in sync to make it happen ou r knowledge is just a tool the script is well above us- Astrologers r just interpreters of divine script. they cant write the script to feel superior or stealable. > > > > it is another thing that we can impart our methodology, approach knowledge to ones interested in purusing this subject but this works on the said 3 principles finally else why will so many padatthis, SA, khichid stuff come iand work still as INTUTION is the key > > > > > > > > Prashant > > > > > > ________________________________ > > Pom <pankajdhar@> > > > > Thursday, April 16, 2009 6:20:01 PM > > MIS-CONCEPTIONS an " Astrologer " should not entertain..-Predictive Convergence? > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > Some of the " astrologers " entertain a misconception- that some one will copy their method of prediction or their prediction. > > > > This only some one will do who lacks confidence in himself.A competent one would not do the same > > > > Working and verifying various systems indepndently- be it chinese astro, > > numbers, vedic astro (Gochar based or dasha), if a basic level of mastery is there- PREDICTIONS GENERALLY CONVERGE, with some varying degrees of details..( they change from one mdoel to other, but generally they CONVERGE...) > > > > Yes, failures are there- which we agreed are there due to inherent prediction methods in astrology. > > > > Thanks. > > Punkajj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2009 Report Share Posted April 16, 2009 Dear Shri Tripathy Ji, A very intersting point has been evolved about jyotish.probabily Astrologer does not really take a reourse to intution as intution happens to be a guiding factor and helps in eleimination of what is not correct if not seemingly correct. Ofcourse we need to have thorough understanding of all basics and experience in judgement is also very essential besides you summarise the whole lot of picture into an understandable conseuences which are likely to happen as a result of Gochara.aspects or dasas or yogas existing in the position of planets in the chart. I think Shri Dhar saab is right that no body should worry that some body is likely to steal ideas and project them.Even if it is resorted it can not help in long term>ofcourse in the group I have seen some kind of borrowing of the views.it is best we do not take note of such immature acts vrkrishnan --- On Thu, 4/16/09, Mrutyunjay Tripathy <astrologer_mrutyunjay wrote: Mrutyunjay Tripathy <astrologer_mrutyunjay Intution-Vs- Systmatic Study Thursday, April 16, 2009, 12:00 PM Dear friend, To make study (both teaching and learning )of astrology useful we should avoid intution at all cost at all levels. As ordinary human faculty is unable to differentiate between the signals originating from pure-intelligence (jupiter) and emotions (mind). Note that steadiness of emotion is one of the precondition for becoming a good Jyotish. IT IS SAFER WE AVOID EMOTIONS IN EVERY STATES OF OUR USAGE OF JYOTISH...EITHER LEARNING OR COUNSELLING OR DOING RESEEARCH. With regards and best wishes, Mrutyunjay Tripathy , " Pom " <pankajdhar@ ...> wrote: > > I agree Prashant Ji. Intuition is the key. > > > But till it is perfect, in my humble opinion- suing a tool as a midway is one of the solutions.As we all do..else we not have been studying astrology... > > Although as per some references pure LOGIC is also intuitive..so more rigrously one works with a framework- the more intuitive one may become- as atleast the subconscious gets trained that way. > > As per some experts( I dont have the reference for the same) intution is an outcome of a) Sub concious b) super conscious proces...to make it un erring the latter needs to de devloepd more.. > > But may be till one reaches that level- one could hold to a)..sharpening the tool....and one way out is focus on only one system at a time..then try to see the redictions.. > > Yes it is a tool. But in my opinion to build up more discipline- one may try to give predictions based on: > > a) Dasha only > b) transits > c) Vedic numbers. > > The idea is to build focus on one system.... I think this helps to build up confidence.. > > Anyways - it is just an input....that convergence. ..should be there.. or could be there... taht is all.. > > Regards, > Punkajj. > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > Pankaj > > > > not sure why u wanted this msg to be here, did any1 say so? > > > > knowledge can't be stolen, max shared and Jyotishya is no one can claim mastery in it as Intution, karma balance sheet of the querist, astrologer and Almighty's grace need to be in sync to make it happen ou r knowledge is just a tool the script is well above us- Astrologers r just interpreters of divine script. they cant write the script to feel superior or stealable. > > > > it is another thing that we can impart our methodology, approach knowledge to ones interested in purusing this subject but this works on the said 3 principles finally else why will so many padatthis, SA, khichid stuff come iand work still as INTUTION is the key > > > > > > > > Prashant > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Pom <pankajdhar@ > > > > > Thursday, April 16, 2009 6:20:01 PM > > MIS-CONCEPTIONS an " Astrologer " should not entertain..- Predictive Convergence? > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > Some of the " astrologers " entertain a misconception- that some one will copy their method of prediction or their prediction. > > > > This only some one will do who lacks confidence in himself.A competent one would not do the same > > > > Working and verifying various systems indepndently- be it chinese astro, > > numbers, vedic astro (Gochar based or dasha), if a basic level of mastery is there- PREDICTIONS GENERALLY CONVERGE, with some varying degrees of details..( they change from one mdoel to other, but generally they CONVERGE...) > > > > Yes, failures are there- which we agreed are there due to inherent prediction methods in astrology. > > > > Thanks. > > Punkajj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2009 Report Share Posted April 16, 2009 I very much agree with Tripathy ji's statement. Particularly if one is giving a reading and if one is not absolutely certain that intuition is highly developed or active at the time of giving the reading. For some of us, like me, it is easier because we are not intuitive ;-) RR , " Mrutyunjay Tripathy " <astrologer_mrutyunjay wrote: > > Dear friend, > > To make study (both teaching and learning )of astrology useful we should avoid intution at all cost at all levels. > > As ordinary human faculty is unable to differentiate between the signals originating from pure-intelligence (jupiter) and emotions (mind). > > Note that steadiness of emotion is one of the precondition for becoming a good Jyotish. > > IT IS SAFER WE AVOID EMOTIONS IN EVERY STATES OF OUR USAGE OF JYOTISH...EITHER LEARNING OR COUNSELLING OR DOING RESEEARCH. > > With regards and best wishes, > > > Mrutyunjay Tripathy > > , " Pom " <pankajdhar@> wrote: > > > > I agree Prashant Ji. Intuition is the key. > > > > > > But till it is perfect, in my humble opinion- suing a tool as a midway is one of the solutions.As we all do..else we not have been studying astrology... > > > > Although as per some references pure LOGIC is also intuitive..so more rigrously one works with a framework- the more intuitive one may become- as atleast the subconscious gets trained that way. > > > > As per some experts( I dont have the reference for the same) intution is an outcome of a) Sub concious b) super conscious proces...to make it un erring the latter needs to de devloepd more.. > > > > But may be till one reaches that level- one could hold to a)..sharpening the tool....and one way out is focus on only one system at a time..then try to see the redictions.. > > > > Yes it is a tool. But in my opinion to build up more discipline- one may try to give predictions based on: > > > > a) Dasha only > > b) transits > > c) Vedic numbers. > > > > The idea is to build focus on one system.... I think this helps to build up confidence.. > > > > Anyways - it is just an input....that convergence...should be there.. or could be there... taht is all.. > > > > Regards, > > Punkajj. > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > Pankaj > > > > > > not sure why u wanted this msg to be here, did any1 say so? > > > > > > knowledge can't be stolen, max shared and Jyotishya is no one can claim mastery in it as Intution, karma balance sheet of the querist, astrologer and Almighty's grace need to be in sync to make it happen ou r knowledge is just a tool the script is well above us- Astrologers r just interpreters of divine script. they cant write the script to feel superior or stealable. > > > > > > it is another thing that we can impart our methodology, approach knowledge to ones interested in purusing this subject but this works on the said 3 principles finally else why will so many padatthis, SA, khichid stuff come iand work still as INTUTION is the key > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > Pom <pankajdhar@> > > > > > > Thursday, April 16, 2009 6:20:01 PM > > > MIS-CONCEPTIONS an " Astrologer " should not entertain..-Predictive Convergence? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > Some of the " astrologers " entertain a misconception- that some one will copy their method of prediction or their prediction. > > > > > > This only some one will do who lacks confidence in himself.A competent one would not do the same > > > > > > Working and verifying various systems indepndently- be it chinese astro, > > > numbers, vedic astro (Gochar based or dasha), if a basic level of mastery is there- PREDICTIONS GENERALLY CONVERGE, with some varying degrees of details..( they change from one mdoel to other, but generally they CONVERGE...) > > > > > > Yes, failures are there- which we agreed are there due to inherent prediction methods in astrology. > > > > > > Thanks. > > > Punkajj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2009 Report Share Posted April 16, 2009 Dear Krishnan Dada, None of us really KNOWS for sure what is really the way it all works or operates! To me, it may be a big flapping FAN, to another it may be a long and powerful elongated object that has a soft end that makes noises and can suck things in, to my friend next to me he describes it as a rough but very hard kind of curved object that begins or ends in a soft fleshy sleeve, depending on where he began or ended his groping and exploration! To another in our exploration party it took a bit of adjustment but the whip that flipped and hit and lashed him from time to time, both hard and soft eventually was experienced as an effective device out of his control which kept the mosquitoes and flies away -- but he wished really that the lashing thing smelt better! And the MAYA of perception and misperception and limited understanding continues ... I think it is a MAMMOTH of a PROBLEM!! RR , vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > Dear Shri Tripathy Ji, > A very intersting point has been evolved about jyotish.probabily Astrologer does not really take a reourse to intution as intution happens to be a guiding factor and helps in eleimination of what is not correct if not seemingly correct. > Ofcourse we need to have thorough understanding of all basics and experience in judgement is also very essential besides you summarise the whole lot of picture into an understandable conseuences which are likely to happen as a result of Gochara.aspects or dasas or yogas existing in the position of planets in the chart. > I think Shri Dhar saab is right that no body should worry that some body is likely to steal ideas and project them.Even if it is resorted it can not help in long term>ofcourse in the group I have seen some kind of borrowing of the views.it is best we do not take note of such immature acts > vrkrishnan > > --- On Thu, 4/16/09, Mrutyunjay Tripathy <astrologer_mrutyunjay wrote: > > Mrutyunjay Tripathy <astrologer_mrutyunjay > Intution-Vs- Systmatic Study > > Thursday, April 16, 2009, 12:00 PM > > Dear friend, > > To make study (both teaching and learning )of astrology useful we should avoid intution at all cost at all levels. > > As ordinary human faculty is unable to differentiate between the signals originating from pure-intelligence (jupiter) and emotions (mind). > > Note that steadiness of emotion is one of the precondition for becoming a good Jyotish. > > IT IS SAFER WE AVOID EMOTIONS IN EVERY STATES OF OUR USAGE OF JYOTISH...EITHER LEARNING OR COUNSELLING OR DOING RESEEARCH. > > With regards and best wishes, > > Mrutyunjay Tripathy > > , " Pom " <pankajdhar@ ...> wrote: > > > > I agree Prashant Ji. Intuition is the key. > > > > > > But till it is perfect, in my humble opinion- suing a tool as a midway is one of the solutions.As we all do..else we not have been studying astrology... > > > > Although as per some references pure LOGIC is also intuitive..so more rigrously one works with a framework- the more intuitive one may become- as atleast the subconscious gets trained that way. > > > > As per some experts( I dont have the reference for the same) intution is an outcome of a) Sub concious b) super conscious proces...to make it un erring the latter needs to de devloepd more.. > > > > But may be till one reaches that level- one could hold to a)..sharpening the tool....and one way out is focus on only one system at a time..then try to see the redictions.. > > > > Yes it is a tool. But in my opinion to build up more discipline- one may try to give predictions based on: > > > > a) Dasha only > > b) transits > > c) Vedic numbers. > > > > The idea is to build focus on one system.... I think this helps to build up confidence.. > > > > Anyways - it is just an input....that convergence. ..should be there.. or could be there... taht is all.. > > > > Regards, > > Punkajj. > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > Pankaj > > > > > > not sure why u wanted this msg to be here, did any1 say so? > > > > > > knowledge can't be stolen, max shared and Jyotishya is no one can claim mastery in it as Intution, karma balance sheet of the querist, astrologer and Almighty's grace need to be in sync to make it happen ou r knowledge is just a tool the script is well above us- Astrologers r just interpreters of divine script. they cant write the script to feel superior or stealable. > > > > > > it is another thing that we can impart our methodology, approach knowledge to ones interested in purusing this subject but this works on the said 3 principles finally else why will so many padatthis, SA, khichid stuff come iand work still as INTUTION is the key > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Pom <pankajdhar@ > > > > > > > Thursday, April 16, 2009 6:20:01 PM > > > MIS-CONCEPTIONS an " Astrologer " should not entertain..- Predictive Convergence? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > Some of the " astrologers " entertain a misconception- that some one will copy their method of prediction or their prediction. > > > > > > This only some one will do who lacks confidence in himself.A competent one would not do the same > > > > > > Working and verifying various systems indepndently- be it chinese astro, > > > numbers, vedic astro (Gochar based or dasha), if a basic level of mastery is there- PREDICTIONS GENERALLY CONVERGE, with some varying degrees of details..( they change from one mdoel to other, but generally they CONVERGE...) > > > > > > Yes, failures are there- which we agreed are there due to inherent prediction methods in astrology. > > > > > > Thanks. > > > Punkajj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2009 Report Share Posted April 17, 2009 Dear Dada, Maya is what is around making us to prod how these flippings are becoming effective.Sine ce it is maya related, it goes beyond our conception. yet visionaries around us make us to work/try/respond(flap) for the environmental instincts..Something a psychologist called vaguely as intution and a philosopher no doubt (could believe maya) understands competencies better as he knows that what is ultimate is beyond him.Might be (?) the reason some times in the forum comes restlessness as we always provoke the 7/9 planets(that r otherwise in a state of influx) and want to wait and see further happenings.An attempt through intution to invade Maya.Poor Guy(Astrologer) might be aware that some thing he conveys might help and give some instantaneous relief from pain/sufferings vrkrishnan --- On Thu, 4/16/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote: Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan Re: Intution-Vs- Systmatic Study Thursday, April 16, 2009, 8:25 PM Dear Krishnan Dada, None of us really KNOWS for sure what is really the way it all works or operates! To me, it may be a big flapping FAN, to another it may be a long and powerful elongated object that has a soft end that makes noises and can suck things in, to my friend next to me he describes it as a rough but very hard kind of curved object that begins or ends in a soft fleshy sleeve, depending on where he began or ended his groping and exploration! To another in our exploration party it took a bit of adjustment but the whip that flipped and hit and lashed him from time to time, both hard and soft eventually was experienced as an effective device out of his control which kept the mosquitoes and flies away -- but he wished really that the lashing thing smelt better! And the MAYA of perception and misperception and limited understanding continues ... I think it is a MAMMOTH of a PROBLEM!! RR , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@. ..> wrote: > > Dear Shri Tripathy Ji, > A very intersting point has been evolved about jyotish.probabily Astrologer does not really take a reourse to intution as intution happens to be a guiding factor and helps in eleimination of what is not correct if not seemingly correct. > Ofcourse we need to have thorough understanding of all basics and experience in judgement is also very essential besides you summarise the whole lot of picture into an understandable conseuences which are likely to happen as a result of Gochara.aspects or dasas or yogas existing in the position of planets in the chart. > I think Shri Dhar saab is right that no body should worry that some body is likely to steal ideas and project them.Even if it is resorted it can not help in long term>ofcourse in the group I have seen some kind of borrowing of the views.it is best we do not take note of such immature acts > vrkrishnan > > --- On Thu, 4/16/09, Mrutyunjay Tripathy <astrologer_ mrutyunjay@ ...> wrote: > > Mrutyunjay Tripathy <astrologer_ mrutyunjay@ ...> > Intution-Vs- Systmatic Study > > Thursday, April 16, 2009, 12:00 PM > > Dear friend, > > To make study (both teaching and learning )of astrology useful we should avoid intution at all cost at all levels. > > As ordinary human faculty is unable to differentiate between the signals originating from pure-intelligence (jupiter) and emotions (mind). > > Note that steadiness of emotion is one of the precondition for becoming a good Jyotish. > > IT IS SAFER WE AVOID EMOTIONS IN EVERY STATES OF OUR USAGE OF JYOTISH...EITHER LEARNING OR COUNSELLING OR DOING RESEEARCH. > > With regards and best wishes, > > Mrutyunjay Tripathy > > , " Pom " <pankajdhar@ ...> wrote: > > > > I agree Prashant Ji. Intuition is the key. > > > > > > But till it is perfect, in my humble opinion- suing a tool as a midway is one of the solutions.As we all do..else we not have been studying astrology... > > > > Although as per some references pure LOGIC is also intuitive..so more rigrously one works with a framework- the more intuitive one may become- as atleast the subconscious gets trained that way. > > > > As per some experts( I dont have the reference for the same) intution is an outcome of a) Sub concious b) super conscious proces...to make it un erring the latter needs to de devloepd more.. > > > > But may be till one reaches that level- one could hold to a)..sharpening the tool....and one way out is focus on only one system at a time..then try to see the redictions.. > > > > Yes it is a tool. But in my opinion to build up more discipline- one may try to give predictions based on: > > > > a) Dasha only > > b) transits > > c) Vedic numbers. > > > > The idea is to build focus on one system.... I think this helps to build up confidence.. > > > > Anyways - it is just an input....that convergence. ..should be there.. or could be there... taht is all.. > > > > Regards, > > Punkajj. > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > Pankaj > > > > > > not sure why u wanted this msg to be here, did any1 say so? > > > > > > knowledge can't be stolen, max shared and Jyotishya is no one can claim mastery in it as Intution, karma balance sheet of the querist, astrologer and Almighty's grace need to be in sync to make it happen ou r knowledge is just a tool the script is well above us- Astrologers r just interpreters of divine script. they cant write the script to feel superior or stealable. > > > > > > it is another thing that we can impart our methodology, approach knowledge to ones interested in purusing this subject but this works on the said 3 principles finally else why will so many padatthis, SA, khichid stuff come iand work still as INTUTION is the key > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Pom <pankajdhar@ > > > > > > > Thursday, April 16, 2009 6:20:01 PM > > > MIS-CONCEPTIONS an " Astrologer " should not entertain..- Predictive Convergence? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > Some of the " astrologers " entertain a misconception- that some one will copy their method of prediction or their prediction. > > > > > > This only some one will do who lacks confidence in himself.A competent one would not do the same > > > > > > Working and verifying various systems indepndently- be it chinese astro, > > > numbers, vedic astro (Gochar based or dasha), if a basic level of mastery is there- PREDICTIONS GENERALLY CONVERGE, with some varying degrees of details..( they change from one mdoel to other, but generally they CONVERGE...) > > > > > > Yes, failures are there- which we agreed are there due to inherent prediction methods in astrology. > > > > > > Thanks. > > > Punkajj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2009 Report Share Posted April 17, 2009 Help from an auxillary drive?Not required and kept at a distance.Where system is in perfect condition,the real CPU takes all the load making people to await reaction/reply/stimulus from Dada Instint oriented are happy to be lazy regards vrkrishnan --- On Thu, 4/16/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote: Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan Re: Intution-Vs- Systmatic Study Thursday, April 16, 2009, 6:49 PM I very much agree with Tripathy ji's statement. Particularly if one is giving a reading and if one is not absolutely certain that intuition is highly developed or active at the time of giving the reading. For some of us, like me, it is easier because we are not intuitive ;-) RR , " Mrutyunjay Tripathy " <astrologer_ mrutyunjay@ ...> wrote: > > Dear friend, > > To make study (both teaching and learning )of astrology useful we should avoid intution at all cost at all levels. > > As ordinary human faculty is unable to differentiate between the signals originating from pure-intelligence (jupiter) and emotions (mind). > > Note that steadiness of emotion is one of the precondition for becoming a good Jyotish. > > IT IS SAFER WE AVOID EMOTIONS IN EVERY STATES OF OUR USAGE OF JYOTISH...EITHER LEARNING OR COUNSELLING OR DOING RESEEARCH. > > With regards and best wishes, > > > Mrutyunjay Tripathy > > , " Pom " <pankajdhar@ > wrote: > > > > I agree Prashant Ji. Intuition is the key. > > > > > > But till it is perfect, in my humble opinion- suing a tool as a midway is one of the solutions.As we all do..else we not have been studying astrology... > > > > Although as per some references pure LOGIC is also intuitive..so more rigrously one works with a framework- the more intuitive one may become- as atleast the subconscious gets trained that way. > > > > As per some experts( I dont have the reference for the same) intution is an outcome of a) Sub concious b) super conscious proces...to make it un erring the latter needs to de devloepd more.. > > > > But may be till one reaches that level- one could hold to a)..sharpening the tool....and one way out is focus on only one system at a time..then try to see the redictions.. > > > > Yes it is a tool. But in my opinion to build up more discipline- one may try to give predictions based on: > > > > a) Dasha only > > b) transits > > c) Vedic numbers. > > > > The idea is to build focus on one system.... I think this helps to build up confidence.. > > > > Anyways - it is just an input....that convergence. ..should be there.. or could be there... taht is all.. > > > > Regards, > > Punkajj. > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > Pankaj > > > > > > not sure why u wanted this msg to be here, did any1 say so? > > > > > > knowledge can't be stolen, max shared and Jyotishya is no one can claim mastery in it as Intution, karma balance sheet of the querist, astrologer and Almighty's grace need to be in sync to make it happen ou r knowledge is just a tool the script is well above us- Astrologers r just interpreters of divine script. they cant write the script to feel superior or stealable. > > > > > > it is another thing that we can impart our methodology, approach knowledge to ones interested in purusing this subject but this works on the said 3 principles finally else why will so many padatthis, SA, khichid stuff come iand work still as INTUTION is the key > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Pom <pankajdhar@ > > > > > > > Thursday, April 16, 2009 6:20:01 PM > > > MIS-CONCEPTIONS an " Astrologer " should not entertain..- Predictive Convergence? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > Some of the " astrologers " entertain a misconception- that some one will copy their method of prediction or their prediction. > > > > > > This only some one will do who lacks confidence in himself.A competent one would not do the same > > > > > > Working and verifying various systems indepndently- be it chinese astro, > > > numbers, vedic astro (Gochar based or dasha), if a basic level of mastery is there- PREDICTIONS GENERALLY CONVERGE, with some varying degrees of details..( they change from one mdoel to other, but generally they CONVERGE...) > > > > > > Yes, failures are there- which we agreed are there due to inherent prediction methods in astrology. > > > > > > Thanks. > > > Punkajj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2009 Report Share Posted April 17, 2009 dear all gurujis I want to give some input on this topic. what i have experienced is that INTUTION is one of the key element and inherently developed in a good astrologer. or in other words person having the capability of intution can only learn the good jyotish. I may be wrong but it is told to me by some good astrologers. I am trying to learn the astrology, however, due to one or other reason i am not able to continue the study... and after every one or two year i again strat from zero and stop after one or two months... this cycle is going on from last 6 year. i am unable to understand the reason. Now i feel the astrology is not for every one. this may not be MY CUP OF TEA... can anybody suggested me how to continue the systematic study, i am not having any guru. can anybody become my guru to guide me for learning from scracth. thanks. active jto , " Mrutyunjay Tripathy " <astrologer_mrutyunjay wrote: > > Dear friend, > > To make study (both teaching and learning )of astrology useful we should avoid intution at all cost at all levels. > > As ordinary human faculty is unable to differentiate between the signals originating from pure-intelligence (jupiter) and emotions (mind). > > Note that steadiness of emotion is one of the precondition for becoming a good Jyotish. > > IT IS SAFER WE AVOID EMOTIONS IN EVERY STATES OF OUR USAGE OF JYOTISH...EITHER LEARNING OR COUNSELLING OR DOING RESEEARCH. > > With regards and best wishes, > > > Mrutyunjay Tripathy > > , " Pom " <pankajdhar@> wrote: > > > > I agree Prashant Ji. Intuition is the key. > > > > > > But till it is perfect, in my humble opinion- suing a tool as a midway is one of the solutions.As we all do..else we not have been studying astrology... > > > > Although as per some references pure LOGIC is also intuitive..so more rigrously one works with a framework- the more intuitive one may become- as atleast the subconscious gets trained that way. > > > > As per some experts( I dont have the reference for the same) intution is an outcome of a) Sub concious b) super conscious proces...to make it un erring the latter needs to de devloepd more.. > > > > But may be till one reaches that level- one could hold to a)..sharpening the tool....and one way out is focus on only one system at a time..then try to see the redictions.. > > > > Yes it is a tool. But in my opinion to build up more discipline- one may try to give predictions based on: > > > > a) Dasha only > > b) transits > > c) Vedic numbers. > > > > The idea is to build focus on one system.... I think this helps to build up confidence.. > > > > Anyways - it is just an input....that convergence...should be there.. or could be there... taht is all.. > > > > Regards, > > Punkajj. > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > Pankaj > > > > > > not sure why u wanted this msg to be here, did any1 say so? > > > > > > knowledge can't be stolen, max shared and Jyotishya is no one can claim mastery in it as Intution, karma balance sheet of the querist, astrologer and Almighty's grace need to be in sync to make it happen ou r knowledge is just a tool the script is well above us- Astrologers r just interpreters of divine script. they cant write the script to feel superior or stealable. > > > > > > it is another thing that we can impart our methodology, approach knowledge to ones interested in purusing this subject but this works on the said 3 principles finally else why will so many padatthis, SA, khichid stuff come iand work still as INTUTION is the key > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > Pom <pankajdhar@> > > > > > > Thursday, April 16, 2009 6:20:01 PM > > > MIS-CONCEPTIONS an " Astrologer " should not entertain..-Predictive Convergence? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > Some of the " astrologers " entertain a misconception- that some one will copy their method of prediction or their prediction. > > > > > > This only some one will do who lacks confidence in himself.A competent one would not do the same > > > > > > Working and verifying various systems indepndently- be it chinese astro, > > > numbers, vedic astro (Gochar based or dasha), if a basic level of mastery is there- PREDICTIONS GENERALLY CONVERGE, with some varying degrees of details..( they change from one mdoel to other, but generally they CONVERGE...) > > > > > > Yes, failures are there- which we agreed are there due to inherent prediction methods in astrology. > > > > > > Thanks. > > > Punkajj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2009 Report Share Posted April 17, 2009 But, Krishnan Dada, Divinatory crafts are supposed to reduce the " maya " so that the eye-glasses are cleaner and more transparent at least until such time when we get the corneal laser surgery of Spiritual upliftment and can see clearly without eye-glasses or divinatory advice! I hope the example and analogy works for you and others ;-) The ninth house of dharma and bhagya and spiritual matters (possible in the spiritual varga or kshetra (as a general chart) has the 2nd house (clear vision and niyama) as its house of illness, its challenges in terms of what keeps its vitality high and the 12th therefrom of course is the lagna, the loss of illness and recovery! Being the 8th therefrom, the obstacles for the 9th house obviously is the 4th -- home, being in mother's care (not my problem, the attitude of: someone shall look after my growth and well-being!), sukh-contentment! As Raman-ji points out in his writings and more ancient sources too I presume, the 4th also represents the final resting place where growth dies in the lap of contentment and bliss! Maya, through showing its flippant and ZHILMIL is actually not all that bad, but what keeps us alert and growing! Strange statement but I learned it from a kitten who is almost a cat (estimated birthday was 18-April-2008)! Very playful when it began to live with humans, as she grows (like any other cat or most cats anyway) she goes into these 'meditative' naps that can last minuts or hours. Flash a Maya in front of it, be it a new smell, movement or a red sparkling ribbon and the " kitten " comes alive and back in the throne of Arudha -- that which others perceive! Some may see in this example a cat regressing in a psychodynamic sense, but others may say that a kitten can still grow but a cat is pretty much done growing! ;-) Growth anyday!! Rohiniranjan , vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > Dear Dada, > Maya is what is around making us to prod how these flippings are becoming effective.Sine ce it is maya related, it goes beyond our conception. > yet visionaries around us make us to work/try/respond(flap) for the environmental instincts..Something a psychologist called vaguely as intution and a philosopher no doubt (could believe maya) understands competencies better as he knows that what is ultimate is beyond him.Might be (?) the reason some times in the forum comes restlessness as we always provoke the 7/9 planets(that r otherwise in a state of influx) and want to wait and see further happenings.An attempt through intution to invade Maya.Poor Guy(Astrologer) might be aware that some thing he conveys might help and give some instantaneous relief from pain/sufferings > vrkrishnan > > --- On Thu, 4/16/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote: > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan > Re: Intution-Vs- Systmatic Study > > Thursday, April 16, 2009, 8:25 PM > > Dear Krishnan Dada, > > None of us really KNOWS for sure what is really the way it all works or operates! > > To me, it may be a big flapping FAN, to another it may be a long and powerful elongated object that has a soft end that makes noises and can suck things in, to my friend next to me he describes it as a rough but very hard kind of curved object that begins or ends in a soft fleshy sleeve, depending on where he began or ended his groping and exploration! To another in our exploration party it took a bit of adjustment but the whip that flipped and hit and lashed him from time to time, both hard and soft eventually was experienced as an effective device out of his control which kept the mosquitoes and flies away -- but he wished really that the lashing thing smelt better! And the MAYA of perception and misperception and limited understanding continues ... > > I think it is a MAMMOTH of a PROBLEM!! > > RR > > , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > Dear Shri Tripathy Ji, > > A very intersting point has been evolved about jyotish.probabily Astrologer does not really take a reourse to intution as intution happens to be a guiding factor and helps in eleimination of what is not correct if not seemingly correct. > > Ofcourse we need to have thorough understanding of all basics and experience in judgement is also very essential besides you summarise the whole lot of picture into an understandable conseuences which are likely to happen as a result of Gochara.aspects or dasas or yogas existing in the position of planets in the chart. > > I think Shri Dhar saab is right that no body should worry that some body is likely to steal ideas and project them.Even if it is resorted it can not help in long term>ofcourse in the group I have seen some kind of borrowing of the views.it is best we do not take note of such immature acts > > vrkrishnan > > > > --- On Thu, 4/16/09, Mrutyunjay Tripathy <astrologer_ mrutyunjay@ ...> wrote: > > > > Mrutyunjay Tripathy <astrologer_ mrutyunjay@ ...> > > Intution-Vs- Systmatic Study > > > > Thursday, April 16, 2009, 12:00 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear friend, > > > > To make study (both teaching and learning )of astrology useful we should avoid intution at all cost at all levels. > > > > As ordinary human faculty is unable to differentiate between the signals originating from pure-intelligence (jupiter) and emotions (mind). > > > > Note that steadiness of emotion is one of the precondition for becoming a good Jyotish. > > > > IT IS SAFER WE AVOID EMOTIONS IN EVERY STATES OF OUR USAGE OF JYOTISH...EITHER LEARNING OR COUNSELLING OR DOING RESEEARCH. > > > > With regards and best wishes, > > > > Mrutyunjay Tripathy > > > > , " Pom " <pankajdhar@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > I agree Prashant Ji. Intuition is the key. > > > > > > > > > But till it is perfect, in my humble opinion- suing a tool as a midway is one of the solutions.As we all do..else we not have been studying astrology... > > > > > > Although as per some references pure LOGIC is also intuitive..so more rigrously one works with a framework- the more intuitive one may become- as atleast the subconscious gets trained that way. > > > > > > As per some experts( I dont have the reference for the same) intution is an outcome of a) Sub concious b) super conscious proces...to make it un erring the latter needs to de devloepd more.. > > > > > > But may be till one reaches that level- one could hold to a)..sharpening the tool....and one way out is focus on only one system at a time..then try to see the redictions.. > > > > > > Yes it is a tool. But in my opinion to build up more discipline- one may try to give predictions based on: > > > > > > a) Dasha only > > > b) transits > > > c) Vedic numbers. > > > > > > The idea is to build focus on one system.... I think this helps to build up confidence.. > > > > > > Anyways - it is just an input....that convergence. ..should be there.. or could be there... taht is all.. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Punkajj. > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Pankaj > > > > > > > > not sure why u wanted this msg to be here, did any1 say so? > > > > > > > > knowledge can't be stolen, max shared and Jyotishya is no one can claim mastery in it as Intution, karma balance sheet of the querist, astrologer and Almighty's grace need to be in sync to make it happen ou r knowledge is just a tool the script is well above us- Astrologers r just interpreters of divine script. they cant write the script to feel superior or stealable. > > > > > > > > it is another thing that we can impart our methodology, approach knowledge to ones interested in purusing this subject but this works on the said 3 principles finally else why will so many padatthis, SA, khichid stuff come iand work still as INTUTION is the key > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Pom <pankajdhar@ > > > > > > > > > Thursday, April 16, 2009 6:20:01 PM > > > > MIS-CONCEPTIONS an " Astrologer " should not entertain..- Predictive Convergence? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > Some of the " astrologers " entertain a misconception- that some one will copy their method of prediction or their prediction. > > > > > > > > This only some one will do who lacks confidence in himself.A competent one would not do the same > > > > > > > > Working and verifying various systems indepndently- be it chinese astro, > > > > numbers, vedic astro (Gochar based or dasha), if a basic level of mastery is there- PREDICTIONS GENERALLY CONVERGE, with some varying degrees of details..( they change from one mdoel to other, but generally they CONVERGE...) > > > > > > > > Yes, failures are there- which we agreed are there due to inherent prediction methods in astrology. > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > Punkajj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2009 Report Share Posted April 17, 2009 Dada, issue made out very lively.Ab ZHILMIL bhi aagaya.Doondhna hai for cleaning the cornea for spirtual upliftment.ofcourse my son inlaw is a doctorate in vision scinces but unfit in matters relating to maya. we need some body and may be our colleague shri mrityunjayaji has to donate his time and involve in this exercis and will be deviation to enjoy lighter moments vrkrishnan --- On Fri, 4/17/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote: Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan Re: Intution-Vs- Systmatic Study Friday, April 17, 2009, 7:32 PM But, Krishnan Dada, Divinatory crafts are supposed to reduce the " maya " so that the eye-glasses are cleaner and more transparent at least until such time when we get the corneal laser surgery of Spiritual upliftment and can see clearly without eye-glasses or divinatory advice! I hope the example and analogy works for you and others ;-) The ninth house of dharma and bhagya and spiritual matters (possible in the spiritual varga or kshetra (as a general chart) has the 2nd house (clear vision and niyama) as its house of illness, its challenges in terms of what keeps its vitality high and the 12th therefrom of course is the lagna, the loss of illness and recovery! Being the 8th therefrom, the obstacles for the 9th house obviously is the 4th -- home, being in mother's care (not my problem, the attitude of: someone shall look after my growth and well-being!) , sukh-contentment! As Raman-ji points out in his writings and more ancient sources too I presume, the 4th also represents the final resting place where growth dies in the lap of contentment and bliss! Maya, through showing its flippant and ZHILMIL is actually not all that bad, but what keeps us alert and growing! Strange statement but I learned it from a kitten who is almost a cat (estimated birthday was 18-April-2008) ! Very playful when it began to live with humans, as she grows (like any other cat or most cats anyway) she goes into these 'meditative' naps that can last minuts or hours. Flash a Maya in front of it, be it a new smell, movement or a red sparkling ribbon and the " kitten " comes alive and back in the throne of Arudha -- that which others perceive! Some may see in this example a cat regressing in a psychodynamic sense, but others may say that a kitten can still grow but a cat is pretty much done growing! ;-) Growth anyday!! Rohiniranjan , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@. ..> wrote: > > Dear Dada, > Maya is what is around making us to prod how these flippings are becoming effective.Sine ce it is maya related, it goes beyond our conception. > yet visionaries around us make us to work/try/respond( flap) for the environmental instincts..Somethin g a psychologist called vaguely as intution and a philosopher no doubt (could believe maya) understands competencies better as he knows that what is ultimate is beyond him.Might be (?) the reason some times in the forum comes restlessness as we always provoke the 7/9 planets(that r otherwise in a state of influx) and want to wait and see further happenings.An attempt through intution to invade Maya.Poor Guy(Astrologer) might be aware that some thing he conveys might help and give some instantaneous relief from pain/sufferings > vrkrishnan > > --- On Thu, 4/16/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote: > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > Re: Intution-Vs- Systmatic Study > > Thursday, April 16, 2009, 8:25 PM > > Dear Krishnan Dada, > > None of us really KNOWS for sure what is really the way it all works or operates! > > To me, it may be a big flapping FAN, to another it may be a long and powerful elongated object that has a soft end that makes noises and can suck things in, to my friend next to me he describes it as a rough but very hard kind of curved object that begins or ends in a soft fleshy sleeve, depending on where he began or ended his groping and exploration! To another in our exploration party it took a bit of adjustment but the whip that flipped and hit and lashed him from time to time, both hard and soft eventually was experienced as an effective device out of his control which kept the mosquitoes and flies away -- but he wished really that the lashing thing smelt better! And the MAYA of perception and misperception and limited understanding continues ... > > I think it is a MAMMOTH of a PROBLEM!! > > RR > > , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > Dear Shri Tripathy Ji, > > A very intersting point has been evolved about jyotish.probabily Astrologer does not really take a reourse to intution as intution happens to be a guiding factor and helps in eleimination of what is not correct if not seemingly correct. > > Ofcourse we need to have thorough understanding of all basics and experience in judgement is also very essential besides you summarise the whole lot of picture into an understandable conseuences which are likely to happen as a result of Gochara.aspects or dasas or yogas existing in the position of planets in the chart. > > I think Shri Dhar saab is right that no body should worry that some body is likely to steal ideas and project them.Even if it is resorted it can not help in long term>ofcourse in the group I have seen some kind of borrowing of the views.it is best we do not take note of such immature acts > > vrkrishnan > > > > --- On Thu, 4/16/09, Mrutyunjay Tripathy <astrologer_ mrutyunjay@ ...> wrote: > > > > Mrutyunjay Tripathy <astrologer_ mrutyunjay@ ...> > > Intution-Vs- Systmatic Study > > > > Thursday, April 16, 2009, 12:00 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear friend, > > > > To make study (both teaching and learning )of astrology useful we should avoid intution at all cost at all levels. > > > > As ordinary human faculty is unable to differentiate between the signals originating from pure-intelligence (jupiter) and emotions (mind). > > > > Note that steadiness of emotion is one of the precondition for becoming a good Jyotish. > > > > IT IS SAFER WE AVOID EMOTIONS IN EVERY STATES OF OUR USAGE OF JYOTISH...EITHER LEARNING OR COUNSELLING OR DOING RESEEARCH. > > > > With regards and best wishes, > > > > Mrutyunjay Tripathy > > > > , " Pom " <pankajdhar@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > I agree Prashant Ji. Intuition is the key. > > > > > > > > > But till it is perfect, in my humble opinion- suing a tool as a midway is one of the solutions.As we all do..else we not have been studying astrology... > > > > > > Although as per some references pure LOGIC is also intuitive..so more rigrously one works with a framework- the more intuitive one may become- as atleast the subconscious gets trained that way. > > > > > > As per some experts( I dont have the reference for the same) intution is an outcome of a) Sub concious b) super conscious proces...to make it un erring the latter needs to de devloepd more.. > > > > > > But may be till one reaches that level- one could hold to a)..sharpening the tool....and one way out is focus on only one system at a time..then try to see the redictions.. > > > > > > Yes it is a tool. But in my opinion to build up more discipline- one may try to give predictions based on: > > > > > > a) Dasha only > > > b) transits > > > c) Vedic numbers. > > > > > > The idea is to build focus on one system.... I think this helps to build up confidence.. > > > > > > Anyways - it is just an input....that convergence. ..should be there.. or could be there... taht is all.. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Punkajj. > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Pankaj > > > > > > > > not sure why u wanted this msg to be here, did any1 say so? > > > > > > > > knowledge can't be stolen, max shared and Jyotishya is no one can claim mastery in it as Intution, karma balance sheet of the querist, astrologer and Almighty's grace need to be in sync to make it happen ou r knowledge is just a tool the script is well above us- Astrologers r just interpreters of divine script. they cant write the script to feel superior or stealable. > > > > > > > > it is another thing that we can impart our methodology, approach knowledge to ones interested in purusing this subject but this works on the said 3 principles finally else why will so many padatthis, SA, khichid stuff come iand work still as INTUTION is the key > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Pom <pankajdhar@ > > > > > > > > > Thursday, April 16, 2009 6:20:01 PM > > > > MIS-CONCEPTIONS an " Astrologer " should not entertain..- Predictive Convergence? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > Some of the " astrologers " entertain a misconception- that some one will copy their method of prediction or their prediction. > > > > > > > > This only some one will do who lacks confidence in himself.A competent one would not do the same > > > > > > > > Working and verifying various systems indepndently- be it chinese astro, > > > > numbers, vedic astro (Gochar based or dasha), if a basic level of mastery is there- PREDICTIONS GENERALLY CONVERGE, with some varying degrees of details..( they change from one mdoel to other, but generally they CONVERGE...) > > > > > > > > Yes, failures are there- which we agreed are there due to inherent prediction methods in astrology. > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > Punkajj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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