Dear vatteren Ji ..Astrological Research

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Dear Sr. Vatteren ji,

 

YES I agree it needs full fldged research.

 

It(jyotisha or mantra shstra) is subjective- rather let me call it probabilistic

in nature- and also varying frmo framework to framework-lal kitab, KP

system....and astrologers..or mantrics capability...

 

But so is ECONOMICS,QUANTUM PHYSICS..SOCIAL SCIENCES.....

 

THERE IS A SPECFIC NEED TO :

 

a) MODEL/SYSTEMATIZE this knowledge

 

b) Experimnetally validate it

 

This applies to ALL ANCIENT knowledge....

 

I interacted with some of the groups which do it & have funds ...but the

leadership at times is not very open...

 

BUT the key is FUNDS at state and NATIONAL level should be there...as I have

atlked clsoely with cases of cures through mantra(no placebo)...but all this

needs FUNDS..so that a PARALELL MARKET SYSTEM accessible to a COMMON MAN is

there...

 

LET US TOGETHER atleast TAKE it forward... .

 

Thanks vatteren Ji.

 

Regards,

Punkajj

 

, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 wrote:

>

> To All :

> I fully agree with every word of Rohini ji in his previous thread. I have

first hand experience of many universities and other government and private

organizations in the field of astrology. Dedicated research in this field must

be an individual affair, to be published in journals or on the internet at the

cost of abusive personal attacks by those who hate research and are wedded to

stereotyped ideas. Taking this risk, I've already started publishing the

methodology of a little known but accurate ancient technique of mundane

astrology at a website.

> -VJ

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan

>

> Tuesday, April 14, 2009 4:33:51 AM

> Astrological Research

>

>

>

>

>

> Dear All,

>

> Just thinking aloud here ... Please do not shoot the poster ;-)

>

> Oh and I changed the 'soft' header to make it more appropriate to the theme.

The Header is kind of Atal and can only be changed through a rebirth which

in this reality means a NEW THREAD!

>

> Research has always been considered an expensive, funding-intensive venture

and in the field of physical, chemical and biological sciences etc that has been

the case because of the expensive equipment, housing facilities and what not.

And of course the salaries of the professors and the experts and on and on.

>

> Astrological research probably would require rather meagre resources

comparatively. Some software, some databases and dedicated volunteers and some

dedicated astrologers. One would imagine that it would not take a lot of

financial resources, right?

>

> It is not the funding but the TIME that is the costly commodity involved. Most

serious researchers in astrology are not astro-professionals and many of these

are very bright but amateur researchers. And very very short on time.

>

> And many of these have other professions and livelihoods and families, in some

cases young families that perhaps require more attention and time.

>

> I believe there have been some organizations in Europe and in India who have

carried out research on what is termed shoe-string budgets and with a lot of

time expended by individuals and often voluntarily.

>

> When all is done, the research needs to be published somewhere. There are no

dedicated journals or venues that remain neutral but very soon get affected and

afflicted by territoriality and politics which seems to follow humanity

whereever it goes. And it matters not which nationality or culture.

>

> So internet remains the be all end all for communication with its free spirit

and freedom from standards other than the IT ones! And even those change almost

each time we wake up next morning!

>

> As if that were not enough, astrologers tend to be a sensitive bunch. Ask a

question and it is often taken personally and often vitriol or even molotov

cocktails follow. And those who take offense are not entirely unjustified in

doing so. Many a times, the questions are not sincere or even civil.

>

> Some people simplistically think that the STATE should take over and control

the field of astrological practice and education and research. Well! We know

what the STATE and statesMEN have done to education, healthcare, research,

economics, judiciary, you name it! And between nations and societies it is

really just a relative matter, some are higher, others have already fallen low

with others to follow!

>

> Perhaps on this Easter, one can hope, pray or at least expect that a Messiah

is in the offing or perhaps an Awatar would be more topically appropriate!

>

> Until then, each one on their own...!

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear All

> > I think even Indian Council for Astrological Sciences,Banglore( ICAS)

considered as deemed university can also welcome such suggestions for promotion

of higher education.A corpus/fund for research is always a good idea.

> > Even IITs too have centers promoting rural development and things like

weather forecasts and helping the nation and farmer is always welcomed.Wardha

too has one such recently formed centre.Some of these technical heads also show

/evince interest

> > Promoting higher education by way of contributions/ donations from

philonthropists was suggested by our present Prime Minister way back in 1997 as

Finance Minister.So role of UGC in such is minimal.Institution al heads and

research bords of university are competent to promote academics including

jyotish.

> >

> > --- On Sat, 4/11/09, Pom <pankajdhar@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Pom <pankajdhar@ ...>

> > ?IPR- Intellectual Property- weather forecast... Re: Fradulent

astrologers

> >

> > Saturday, April 11, 2009, 11:26 AM

> >

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> >

> >

> > Anyway the call is yours.

> >

> > laws of physics are also divine-though they currently operate at a macro

level, than the subtler forces in astrology.

> >

> > Protecting one's right for the sake of country is in no way contradiction to

monkhood. You simply donot need to use the money for yourself.(but again it is

your choice).

> >

> > You,I and all others are a part of divine property )..?(Any way no

inettn to initaite a philo debate....

> >

> > Sure,we will wait for the 10 known examples from you- as we all agreed upon.

> >

> > Take care,

> > Punkajj

> >

> > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Punkajj ji,

> > > Your advice is sincere, but being a monk I cannot appropriate intellectual

property which, according to my late Guruji, is divine property. Moreover, I did

not discover anything, I learnt it from my late Guruji.

> > >

> > > Your concerns, however, are genuine. I had tried to donate the method to

an astrological dept in a university, but mandarins in UGC sent experts of

Sahitya to evaluate Jyotisha, and my attempts were frustrated.

> > >

> > > -VJ

> > >

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > Pom <pankajdhar@ ...>

> > >

> > > Saturday, April 11, 2009 1:25:53 PM

> > > IPR- Intellectual Property- weather forecast... Re:

Fradulent astrologers

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Vinay Ji- if what you said is true..my humble suggestion.

> > >

> > > DONOT GIVE YOUR METJOD FO PREDICTION FOR FREE....you shoudl file for a

IPR..once you go through a sceintfic process...(Let us frist do it for the case

we agreed upon, 10 cases known, then random..and then may be more ....)

> > >

> > > Otherwise tomorrow we will pay millions to the west, but essentailly which

avll came from our own VEDIC technologies. ..

> > >

> > > Actually the key reason fro succes of VEDIC methods is that the FRAMEWORK

IS MROE POWERFUL AND COMPLETE..and takes more relevant variables into account..-

though it needs a face lift.

> > >

> > > They have IPRed haldi/rice.. what not...we could not IPR BREATH/pranayama

)

> > >

> > > We would have rolled in trillions..of dollars....

> > >

> > > Every breath counts man )

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Punkajj

> > >

> > > , " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16@

....> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Well said ! I have been sending rain forecasts to IMD for years, about

which I am afterwards told in private that my forecasts were found to be true,

but they never acknowledge it publicly !!

> > > > -VJ

> > > > ============ ===== ============ ==

> > > > , " " <gaurav.ghosh@

> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna| |

> > > > > Dear....

> > > > > Your frustration of getting remedies & readings through incompetent

astrologers remind of the poor forecasts by the Meteorological Department of

India--Govt. is spending the money that we give through Tax & millions being

spent for some pathetic weather forecasts.

> > > > > The General Public should certainly protest against such " poor

forecasts " .

> > > > > Thank you,

> > > > > .

> > > > > http://gauravastro. 150m.com

> > > > >

> > > > > , " rulezindia " <rulezindia@ >

wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hi all,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Apologies for the delay in my reply.I see that all of you have given

examples of doctors.Well I am not denying that. What I am concerned is why do

the opinions vary between two astrologers?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am paying huge amount to get my readings done..sometimes to the

effect of more than 1000 bucks.If what the person who read the chart said is

false, will he give back the money? He would give an answer saying my chart was

wrong..the question about my return to native place is a very minor thing. I had

gone for a major issue thats currently happening. thats why this angst and rant.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am sorry if I have offended you. there are black sheeps in every

industry..My frustration is when some people cheat at the expense of others

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " Mrutyunjay Tripathy "

<astrologer_ mrutyunjay@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear friend,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > All this happens in all professions.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > No doctors unahble to diagnose a disease seldom honestly tells the

patient ;

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 'Sir, I am not able to find the root cause of your problem and

hence cure for it' ( In my personal experience I have met with only 3 such

doctors in the 42 years of age)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > However you will find hundreds of honest and sincere astrologers

telling you even at the beginning';

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 'Sir your life events do not match your horoscope, so we can not

give you readings' or 'Sir as per my knowledge your horoscope shows good things

but I can not see why the bad things are happening with you'

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The same percent of honesty if maintained by doctors and lawers or

other professionals then the world would be a different place to live in.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The next thing is do not go by the pomp and show of the offices of

anyh professional. ..be an astrologer, doctor or lawyer.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The real professional having wisdom seldom gets time

for....getting make up done and doing tit bit decorations and advertisements in

TV and media.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If one is engaged in show business and avertisement then when does

one gets time for study/ research/ real-time experience.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > With regards and best wishes,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > mrutyunjay tripathy

> > > > > > > , India Rulez

<rulezindia@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > hello,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I had my chart read by two different astrologers and both had 2

different versions to say.I am experiencing mental traauma in my life and so the

reason for going to astrologers. Obviously I reckon when people have everything

going for them, they wouldnt be going to astrologers. My issue is with these

astrologers. .Fine, everyone has to have a living.So when astrologers ask for

money, I have no problems.The problem is when they demand exorbitant sums and in

the end have a different version of my " future " from the other astrologer. For

instance, though a minor thing one astrologer said I would be staying abroad and

not return to my antive place and the other one said just the opposite. Same

horoscope..two different interpretations. Why believe in astrology when some

people are fradulent?Moreover I think there are umpteen number of watys to earn

money than by cheating people who are in distress.At the end after hearing some

of their " future "

> > > interpretations

> > > > > > > > of my life, my mental trauma has only increased.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sorry for the rant but I am annoyed with people who make living

by cheating people.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > >

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