Guest guest Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 Dear All, Just thinking aloud here ... Please do not shoot the poster ;-) Oh and I changed the 'soft' header to make it more appropriate to the theme. The Header is kind of Atal and can only be changed through a rebirth which in this reality means a NEW THREAD! Research has always been considered an expensive, funding-intensive venture and in the field of physical, chemical and biological sciences etc that has been the case because of the expensive equipment, housing facilities and what not. And of course the salaries of the professors and the experts and on and on. Astrological research probably would require rather meagre resources comparatively. Some software, some databases and dedicated volunteers and some dedicated astrologers. One would imagine that it would not take a lot of financial resources, right? It is not the funding but the TIME that is the costly commodity involved. Most serious researchers in astrology are not astro-professionals and many of these are very bright but amateur researchers. And very very short on time. And many of these have other professions and livelihoods and families, in some cases young families that perhaps require more attention and time. I believe there have been some organizations in Europe and in India who have carried out research on what is termed shoe-string budgets and with a lot of time expended by individuals and often voluntarily. When all is done, the research needs to be published somewhere. There are no dedicated journals or venues that remain neutral but very soon get affected and afflicted by territoriality and politics which seems to follow humanity whereever it goes. And it matters not which nationality or culture. So internet remains the be all end all for communication with its free spirit and freedom from standards other than the IT ones! And even those change almost each time we wake up next morning! As if that were not enough, astrologers tend to be a sensitive bunch. Ask a question and it is often taken personally and often vitriol or even molotov cocktails follow. And those who take offense are not entirely unjustified in doing so. Many a times, the questions are not sincere or even civil. Some people simplistically think that the STATE should take over and control the field of astrological practice and education and research. Well! We know what the STATE and statesMEN have done to education, healthcare, research, economics, judiciary, you name it! And between nations and societies it is really just a relative matter, some are higher, others have already fallen low with others to follow! Perhaps on this Easter, one can hope, pray or at least expect that a Messiah is in the offing or perhaps an Awatar would be more topically appropriate! Until then, each one on their own...! Rohiniranjan , vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > Dear All > I think even Indian Council for Astrological Sciences,Banglore(ICAS) considered as deemed university can also welcome such suggestions for promotion of higher education.A corpus/fund for research is always a good idea. > Even IITs too have centers promoting rural development and things like weather forecasts and helping the nation and farmer is always welcomed.Wardha too has one such recently formed centre.Some of these technical heads also show /evince interest > Promoting higher education by way of contributions/donations from philonthropists was suggested by our present Prime Minister way back in 1997 as Finance Minister.So role of UGC in such is minimal.Institutional heads and research bords of university are competent to promote academics including jyotish. > > --- On Sat, 4/11/09, Pom <pankajdhar wrote: > > Pom <pankajdhar > ?IPR- Intellectual Property- weather forecast... Re: Fradulent astrologers > > Saturday, April 11, 2009, 11:26 AM > > Anyway the call is yours. > > laws of physics are also divine-though they currently operate at a macro level, than the subtler forces in astrology. > > Protecting one's right for the sake of country is in no way contradiction to monkhood. You simply donot need to use the money for yourself.(but again it is your choice). > > You,I and all others are a part of divine property )..?(Any way no inettn to initaite a philo debate.... > > Sure,we will wait for the 10 known examples from you- as we all agreed upon. > > Take care, > Punkajj > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > > Punkajj ji, > > Your advice is sincere, but being a monk I cannot appropriate intellectual property which, according to my late Guruji, is divine property. Moreover, I did not discover anything, I learnt it from my late Guruji. > > > > Your concerns, however, are genuine. I had tried to donate the method to an astrological dept in a university, but mandarins in UGC sent experts of Sahitya to evaluate Jyotisha, and my attempts were frustrated. > > > > -VJ > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Pom <pankajdhar@ ...> > > > > Saturday, April 11, 2009 1:25:53 PM > > IPR- Intellectual Property- weather forecast... Re: Fradulent astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vinay Ji- if what you said is true..my humble suggestion. > > > > DONOT GIVE YOUR METJOD FO PREDICTION FOR FREE....you shoudl file for a IPR..once you go through a sceintfic process...(Let us frist do it for the case we agreed upon, 10 cases known, then random..and then may be more ....) > > > > Otherwise tomorrow we will pay millions to the west, but essentailly which avll came from our own VEDIC technologies. .. > > > > Actually the key reason fro succes of VEDIC methods is that the FRAMEWORK IS MROE POWERFUL AND COMPLETE..and takes more relevant variables into account..- though it needs a face lift. > > > > They have IPRed haldi/rice.. what not...we could not IPR BREATH/pranayama ) > > > > We would have rolled in trillions..of dollars.... > > > > Every breath counts man ) > > > > Regards, > > Punkajj > > > > , " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Well said ! I have been sending rain forecasts to IMD for years, about which I am afterwards told in private that my forecasts were found to be true, but they never acknowledge it publicly !! > > > -VJ > > > ============ ===== ============ == > > > , " " <gaurav.ghosh@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna| | > > > > Dear.... > > > > Your frustration of getting remedies & readings through incompetent astrologers remind of the poor forecasts by the Meteorological Department of India--Govt. is spending the money that we give through Tax & millions being spent for some pathetic weather forecasts. > > > > The General Public should certainly protest against such " poor forecasts " . > > > > Thank you, > > > > . > > > > http://gauravastro. 150m.com > > > > > > > > , " rulezindia " <rulezindia@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > > > Apologies for the delay in my reply.I see that all of you have given examples of doctors.Well I am not denying that. What I am concerned is why do the opinions vary between two astrologers? > > > > > > > > > > I am paying huge amount to get my readings done..sometimes to the effect of more than 1000 bucks.If what the person who read the chart said is false, will he give back the money? He would give an answer saying my chart was wrong..the question about my return to native place is a very minor thing. I had gone for a major issue thats currently happening. thats why this angst and rant. > > > > > > > > > > I am sorry if I have offended you. there are black sheeps in every industry..My frustration is when some people cheat at the expense of others > > > > > > > > > > , " Mrutyunjay Tripathy " <astrologer_ mrutyunjay@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear friend, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All this happens in all professions. > > > > > > > > > > > > No doctors unahble to diagnose a disease seldom honestly tells the patient ; > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Sir, I am not able to find the root cause of your problem and hence cure for it' ( In my personal experience I have met with only 3 such doctors in the 42 years of age) > > > > > > > > > > > > However you will find hundreds of honest and sincere astrologers telling you even at the beginning'; > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Sir your life events do not match your horoscope, so we can not give you readings' or 'Sir as per my knowledge your horoscope shows good things but I can not see why the bad things are happening with you' > > > > > > > > > > > > The same percent of honesty if maintained by doctors and lawers or other professionals then the world would be a different place to live in. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The next thing is do not go by the pomp and show of the offices of anyh professional. ..be an astrologer, doctor or lawyer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The real professional having wisdom seldom gets time for....getting make up done and doing tit bit decorations and advertisements in TV and media. > > > > > > > > > > > > If one is engaged in show business and avertisement then when does one gets time for study/ research/ real-time experience. > > > > > > > > > > > > With regards and best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > mrutyunjay tripathy > > > > > > , India Rulez <rulezindia@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hello, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I had my chart read by two different astrologers and both had 2 different versions to say.I am experiencing mental traauma in my life and so the reason for going to astrologers. Obviously I reckon when people have everything going for them, they wouldnt be going to astrologers. My issue is with these astrologers. .Fine, everyone has to have a living.So when astrologers ask for money, I have no problems.The problem is when they demand exorbitant sums and in the end have a different version of my " future " from the other astrologer. For instance, though a minor thing one astrologer said I would be staying abroad and not return to my antive place and the other one said just the opposite. Same horoscope..two different interpretations. Why believe in astrology when some people are fradulent?Moreover I think there are umpteen number of watys to earn money than by cheating people who are in distress.At the end after hearing some of their " future " > > interpretations > > > > > > > of my life, my mental trauma has only increased. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry for the rant but I am annoyed with people who make living by cheating people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Check out the all-new Messenger 9.0! Go to http://in.messenger ../ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 Dear Sir, A novel approach was made for vedic sciences by building a study center for vedic sciences.this is funded purely by a Hindu sympathiser.fees from interested student is collected for his education.Scholars and sasrty ji are allowed to perform religious cermonies.functions and obligations at certain fixed rates.of this for those pandits.sastry ji some amount is apportioned as his fees/remuneration and balace as fund earmarked for further development. Material fit for publication is given to publishers ar subsidised rates with copy rights and giving royalties.there are some trusts that encourage these activities but have not come up to such an extent as research is promoted for the benifit of socity. infact vedic schools otheriwse known as Pathasalas too thought over as in gurukul long time back have no taker and getting neglected. Being the most important of sun entering Mesha,this wish/idea of having a messaih should be taken up by all and circulated to find takers.then those who are interested can assume responsibility for useful areas that can promote social needs and generate funds.Like wise we need if not publishers some dedicated blogs with exclusive rights to publish soft copies and copy rights for publications at a later stage.The idea is very encouraging and views in this regard if sent to established publishers like EST,Times Jyotish,revived AM and Bhavans Trust etc to explore takers is worth while vrkrishnan --- On Mon, 4/13/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote: Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan Astrological Research Monday, April 13, 2009, 7:03 PM Dear All, Just thinking aloud here ... Please do not shoot the poster ;-) Oh and I changed the 'soft' header to make it more appropriate to the theme. The Header is kind of Atal and can only be changed through a rebirth which in this reality means a NEW THREAD! Research has always been considered an expensive, funding-intensive venture and in the field of physical, chemical and biological sciences etc that has been the case because of the expensive equipment, housing facilities and what not. And of course the salaries of the professors and the experts and on and on. Astrological research probably would require rather meagre resources comparatively. Some software, some databases and dedicated volunteers and some dedicated astrologers. One would imagine that it would not take a lot of financial resources, right? It is not the funding but the TIME that is the costly commodity involved. Most serious researchers in astrology are not astro-professionals and many of these are very bright but amateur researchers. And very very short on time. And many of these have other professions and livelihoods and families, in some cases young families that perhaps require more attention and time. I believe there have been some organizations in Europe and in India who have carried out research on what is termed shoe-string budgets and with a lot of time expended by individuals and often voluntarily. When all is done, the research needs to be published somewhere. There are no dedicated journals or venues that remain neutral but very soon get affected and afflicted by territoriality and politics which seems to follow humanity whereever it goes. And it matters not which nationality or culture. So internet remains the be all end all for communication with its free spirit and freedom from standards other than the IT ones! And even those change almost each time we wake up next morning! As if that were not enough, astrologers tend to be a sensitive bunch. Ask a question and it is often taken personally and often vitriol or even molotov cocktails follow. And those who take offense are not entirely unjustified in doing so. Many a times, the questions are not sincere or even civil. Some people simplistically think that the STATE should take over and control the field of astrological practice and education and research. Well! We know what the STATE and statesMEN have done to education, healthcare, research, economics, judiciary, you name it! And between nations and societies it is really just a relative matter, some are higher, others have already fallen low with others to follow! Perhaps on this Easter, one can hope, pray or at least expect that a Messiah is in the offing or perhaps an Awatar would be more topically appropriate! Until then, each one on their own...! Rohiniranjan , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@. ..> wrote: > > Dear All > I think even Indian Council for Astrological Sciences,Banglore( ICAS) considered as deemed university can also welcome such suggestions for promotion of higher education.A corpus/fund for research is always a good idea. > Even IITs too have centers promoting rural development and things like weather forecasts and helping the nation and farmer is always welcomed.Wardha too has one such recently formed centre.Some of these technical heads also show /evince interest > Promoting higher education by way of contributions/ donations from philonthropists was suggested by our present Prime Minister way back in 1997 as Finance Minister.So role of UGC in such is minimal.Institution al heads and research bords of university are competent to promote academics including jyotish. > > --- On Sat, 4/11/09, Pom <pankajdhar@ ...> wrote: > > Pom <pankajdhar@ ...> > ?IPR- Intellectual Property- weather forecast... Re: Fradulent astrologers > > Saturday, April 11, 2009, 11:26 AM > > Anyway the call is yours. > > laws of physics are also divine-though they currently operate at a macro level, than the subtler forces in astrology. > > Protecting one's right for the sake of country is in no way contradiction to monkhood. You simply donot need to use the money for yourself.(but again it is your choice). > > You,I and all others are a part of divine property )..?(Any way no inettn to initaite a philo debate.... > > Sure,we will wait for the 10 known examples from you- as we all agreed upon. > > Take care, > Punkajj > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > > Punkajj ji, > > Your advice is sincere, but being a monk I cannot appropriate intellectual property which, according to my late Guruji, is divine property. Moreover, I did not discover anything, I learnt it from my late Guruji. > > > > Your concerns, however, are genuine. I had tried to donate the method to an astrological dept in a university, but mandarins in UGC sent experts of Sahitya to evaluate Jyotisha, and my attempts were frustrated. > > > > -VJ > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Pom <pankajdhar@ ...> > > > > Saturday, April 11, 2009 1:25:53 PM > > IPR- Intellectual Property- weather forecast... Re: Fradulent astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vinay Ji- if what you said is true..my humble suggestion. > > > > DONOT GIVE YOUR METJOD FO PREDICTION FOR FREE....you shoudl file for a IPR..once you go through a sceintfic process...(Let us frist do it for the case we agreed upon, 10 cases known, then random..and then may be more ....) > > > > Otherwise tomorrow we will pay millions to the west, but essentailly which avll came from our own VEDIC technologies. .. > > > > Actually the key reason fro succes of VEDIC methods is that the FRAMEWORK IS MROE POWERFUL AND COMPLETE..and takes more relevant variables into account..- though it needs a face lift. > > > > They have IPRed haldi/rice.. what not...we could not IPR BREATH/pranayama ) > > > > We would have rolled in trillions..of dollars.... > > > > Every breath counts man ) > > > > Regards, > > Punkajj > > > > , " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Well said ! I have been sending rain forecasts to IMD for years, about which I am afterwards told in private that my forecasts were found to be true, but they never acknowledge it publicly !! > > > -VJ > > > ============ ===== ============ == > > > , " " <gaurav.ghosh@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna| | > > > > Dear.... > > > > Your frustration of getting remedies & readings through incompetent astrologers remind of the poor forecasts by the Meteorological Department of India--Govt. is spending the money that we give through Tax & millions being spent for some pathetic weather forecasts. > > > > The General Public should certainly protest against such " poor forecasts " . > > > > Thank you, > > > > . > > > > http://gauravastro. 150m.com > > > > > > > > , " rulezindia " <rulezindia@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > > > Apologies for the delay in my reply.I see that all of you have given examples of doctors.Well I am not denying that. What I am concerned is why do the opinions vary between two astrologers? > > > > > > > > > > I am paying huge amount to get my readings done..sometimes to the effect of more than 1000 bucks.If what the person who read the chart said is false, will he give back the money? He would give an answer saying my chart was wrong..the question about my return to native place is a very minor thing. I had gone for a major issue thats currently happening. thats why this angst and rant. > > > > > > > > > > I am sorry if I have offended you. there are black sheeps in every industry..My frustration is when some people cheat at the expense of others > > > > > > > > > > , " Mrutyunjay Tripathy " <astrologer_ mrutyunjay@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear friend, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All this happens in all professions. > > > > > > > > > > > > No doctors unahble to diagnose a disease seldom honestly tells the patient ; > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Sir, I am not able to find the root cause of your problem and hence cure for it' ( In my personal experience I have met with only 3 such doctors in the 42 years of age) > > > > > > > > > > > > However you will find hundreds of honest and sincere astrologers telling you even at the beginning'; > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Sir your life events do not match your horoscope, so we can not give you readings' or 'Sir as per my knowledge your horoscope shows good things but I can not see why the bad things are happening with you' > > > > > > > > > > > > The same percent of honesty if maintained by doctors and lawers or other professionals then the world would be a different place to live in. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The next thing is do not go by the pomp and show of the offices of anyh professional. ..be an astrologer, doctor or lawyer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The real professional having wisdom seldom gets time for....getting make up done and doing tit bit decorations and advertisements in TV and media. > > > > > > > > > > > > If one is engaged in show business and avertisement then when does one gets time for study/ research/ real-time experience. > > > > > > > > > > > > With regards and best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > mrutyunjay tripathy > > > > > > , India Rulez <rulezindia@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hello, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I had my chart read by two different astrologers and both had 2 different versions to say.I am experiencing mental traauma in my life and so the reason for going to astrologers. Obviously I reckon when people have everything going for them, they wouldnt be going to astrologers. My issue is with these astrologers. .Fine, everyone has to have a living.So when astrologers ask for money, I have no problems.The problem is when they demand exorbitant sums and in the end have a different version of my " future " from the other astrologer. For instance, though a minor thing one astrologer said I would be staying abroad and not return to my antive place and the other one said just the opposite. Same horoscope..two different interpretations. Why believe in astrology when some people are fradulent?Moreover I think there are umpteen number of watys to earn money than by cheating people who are in distress.At the end after hearing some of their " future " > > interpretations > > > > > > > of my life, my mental trauma has only increased. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry for the rant but I am annoyed with people who make living by cheating people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Check out the all-new Messenger 9.0! Go to http://in.messenger ../ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 Krishnan Dada, is a loaded word! To me growing up with Shammi Kapoor's antics, it invariably brings to mind the infectious line, " Chahay Koi mujhay Janglee kahay! " research kya karayegaa! If it even permits us to attain Language-shuddhi then we should be beholden to it! Vak-Shuddhi, interestingly is one of the first things a jyotishi wannabe must focus upon! And yet, a Sufi cyber-friend of mine who also is an avid jyotishi and known to me since early 90s, a very wonderful, kind and gentle soul once educated me that in Sufi-parlance a term that sounds very similar to is a rather spiritual word! Maybe -- you have a point! In that case, from your mouth to MA's ears. I have never doubted that the Kind and Gentle Mother has always had her Divine Ear to the ground, because that is where her human children live and BABA-willing, shall live for eternities to come! Rohiniranjan , vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > Dear Sir, > A novel approach was made for vedic sciences by building a study center for vedic sciences.this is funded purely by a Hindu sympathiser.fees from interested student is collected for his education.Scholars and sasrty ji are allowed to perform religious cermonies.functions and obligations at certain fixed rates.of this for those pandits.sastry ji some amount is apportioned as his fees/remuneration and balace as fund earmarked for further development. > Material fit for publication is given to publishers ar subsidised rates with copy rights and giving royalties.there are some trusts that encourage these activities but have not come up to such an extent as research is promoted for the benifit of socity. > infact vedic schools otheriwse known as Pathasalas too thought over as in gurukul long time back have no taker and getting neglected. > Being the most important of sun entering Mesha,this wish/idea of having a messaih should be taken up by all and circulated to find takers.then those who are interested can assume responsibility for useful areas that can promote social needs and generate funds.Like wise we need if not publishers some dedicated blogs with exclusive rights to publish soft copies and copy rights for publications at a later stage.The idea is very encouraging and views in this regard if sent to established publishers like EST,Times Jyotish,revived AM and Bhavans Trust etc to explore takers is worth while > vrkrishnan > > --- On Mon, 4/13/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote: > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan > Astrological Research > > Monday, April 13, 2009, 7:03 PM > > Dear All, > > Just thinking aloud here ... Please do not shoot the poster ;-) > > Oh and I changed the 'soft' header to make it more appropriate to the theme. The Header is kind of Atal and can only be changed through a rebirth which in this reality means a NEW THREAD! > > Research has always been considered an expensive, funding-intensive venture and in the field of physical, chemical and biological sciences etc that has been the case because of the expensive equipment, housing facilities and what not. And of course the salaries of the professors and the experts and on and on. > > Astrological research probably would require rather meagre resources comparatively. Some software, some databases and dedicated volunteers and some dedicated astrologers. One would imagine that it would not take a lot of financial resources, right? > > It is not the funding but the TIME that is the costly commodity involved. Most serious researchers in astrology are not astro-professionals and many of these are very bright but amateur researchers. And very very short on time. > > And many of these have other professions and livelihoods and families, in some cases young families that perhaps require more attention and time. > > I believe there have been some organizations in Europe and in India who have carried out research on what is termed shoe-string budgets and with a lot of time expended by individuals and often voluntarily. > > When all is done, the research needs to be published somewhere. There are no dedicated journals or venues that remain neutral but very soon get affected and afflicted by territoriality and politics which seems to follow humanity whereever it goes. And it matters not which nationality or culture. > > So internet remains the be all end all for communication with its free spirit and freedom from standards other than the IT ones! And even those change almost each time we wake up next morning! > > As if that were not enough, astrologers tend to be a sensitive bunch. Ask a question and it is often taken personally and often vitriol or even molotov cocktails follow. And those who take offense are not entirely unjustified in doing so. Many a times, the questions are not sincere or even civil. > > Some people simplistically think that the STATE should take over and control the field of astrological practice and education and research. Well! We know what the STATE and statesMEN have done to education, healthcare, research, economics, judiciary, you name it! And between nations and societies it is really just a relative matter, some are higher, others have already fallen low with others to follow! > > Perhaps on this Easter, one can hope, pray or at least expect that a Messiah is in the offing or perhaps an Awatar would be more topically appropriate! > > Until then, each one on their own...! > > Rohiniranjan > > , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > Dear All > > I think even Indian Council for Astrological Sciences,Banglore( ICAS) considered as deemed university can also welcome such suggestions for promotion of higher education.A corpus/fund for research is always a good idea. > > Even IITs too have centers promoting rural development and things like weather forecasts and helping the nation and farmer is always welcomed.Wardha too has one such recently formed centre.Some of these technical heads also show /evince interest > > Promoting higher education by way of contributions/ donations from philonthropists was suggested by our present Prime Minister way back in 1997 as Finance Minister.So role of UGC in such is minimal.Institution al heads and research bords of university are competent to promote academics including jyotish. > > > > --- On Sat, 4/11/09, Pom <pankajdhar@ ...> wrote: > > > > Pom <pankajdhar@ ...> > > ?IPR- Intellectual Property- weather forecast... Re: Fradulent astrologers > > > > Saturday, April 11, 2009, 11:26 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway the call is yours. > > > > laws of physics are also divine-though they currently operate at a macro level, than the subtler forces in astrology. > > > > Protecting one's right for the sake of country is in no way contradiction to monkhood. You simply donot need to use the money for yourself.(but again it is your choice). > > > > You,I and all others are a part of divine property )..?(Any way no inettn to initaite a philo debate.... > > > > Sure,we will wait for the 10 known examples from you- as we all agreed upon. > > > > Take care, > > Punkajj > > > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Punkajj ji, > > > Your advice is sincere, but being a monk I cannot appropriate intellectual property which, according to my late Guruji, is divine property. Moreover, I did not discover anything, I learnt it from my late Guruji. > > > > > > Your concerns, however, are genuine. I had tried to donate the method to an astrological dept in a university, but mandarins in UGC sent experts of Sahitya to evaluate Jyotisha, and my attempts were frustrated. > > > > > > -VJ > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Pom <pankajdhar@ ...> > > > > > > Saturday, April 11, 2009 1:25:53 PM > > > IPR- Intellectual Property- weather forecast... Re: Fradulent astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vinay Ji- if what you said is true..my humble suggestion. > > > > > > DONOT GIVE YOUR METJOD FO PREDICTION FOR FREE....you shoudl file for a IPR..once you go through a sceintfic process...(Let us frist do it for the case we agreed upon, 10 cases known, then random..and then may be more ....) > > > > > > Otherwise tomorrow we will pay millions to the west, but essentailly which avll came from our own VEDIC technologies. .. > > > > > > Actually the key reason fro succes of VEDIC methods is that the FRAMEWORK IS MROE POWERFUL AND COMPLETE..and takes more relevant variables into account..- though it needs a face lift. > > > > > > They have IPRed haldi/rice.. what not...we could not IPR BREATH/pranayama ) > > > > > > We would have rolled in trillions..of dollars.... > > > > > > Every breath counts man ) > > > > > > Regards, > > > Punkajj > > > > > > , " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > Well said ! I have been sending rain forecasts to IMD for years, about which I am afterwards told in private that my forecasts were found to be true, but they never acknowledge it publicly !! > > > > -VJ > > > > ============ ===== ============ == > > > > , " " <gaurav.ghosh@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna| | > > > > > Dear.... > > > > > Your frustration of getting remedies & readings through incompetent astrologers remind of the poor forecasts by the Meteorological Department of India--Govt. is spending the money that we give through Tax & millions being spent for some pathetic weather forecasts. > > > > > The General Public should certainly protest against such " poor forecasts " . > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > . > > > > > http://gauravastro. 150m.com > > > > > > > > > > , " rulezindia " <rulezindia@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > > > > > Apologies for the delay in my reply.I see that all of you have given examples of doctors.Well I am not denying that. What I am concerned is why do the opinions vary between two astrologers? > > > > > > > > > > > > I am paying huge amount to get my readings done..sometimes to the effect of more than 1000 bucks.If what the person who read the chart said is false, will he give back the money? He would give an answer saying my chart was wrong..the question about my return to native place is a very minor thing. I had gone for a major issue thats currently happening. thats why this angst and rant. > > > > > > > > > > > > I am sorry if I have offended you. there are black sheeps in every industry..My frustration is when some people cheat at the expense of others > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Mrutyunjay Tripathy " <astrologer_ mrutyunjay@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear friend, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All this happens in all professions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No doctors unahble to diagnose a disease seldom honestly tells the patient ; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Sir, I am not able to find the root cause of your problem and hence cure for it' ( In my personal experience I have met with only 3 such doctors in the 42 years of age) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However you will find hundreds of honest and sincere astrologers telling you even at the beginning'; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Sir your life events do not match your horoscope, so we can not give you readings' or 'Sir as per my knowledge your horoscope shows good things but I can not see why the bad things are happening with you' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The same percent of honesty if maintained by doctors and lawers or other professionals then the world would be a different place to live in. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The next thing is do not go by the pomp and show of the offices of anyh professional. ..be an astrologer, doctor or lawyer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The real professional having wisdom seldom gets time for....getting make up done and doing tit bit decorations and advertisements in TV and media. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If one is engaged in show business and avertisement then when does one gets time for study/ research/ real-time experience. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With regards and best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mrutyunjay tripathy > > > > > > > , India Rulez <rulezindia@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hello, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I had my chart read by two different astrologers and both had 2 different versions to say.I am experiencing mental traauma in my life and so the reason for going to astrologers. Obviously I reckon when people have everything going for them, they wouldnt be going to astrologers. My issue is with these astrologers. .Fine, everyone has to have a living.So when astrologers ask for money, I have no problems.The problem is when they demand exorbitant sums and in the end have a different version of my " future " from the other astrologer. For instance, though a minor thing one astrologer said I would be staying abroad and not return to my antive place and the other one said just the opposite. Same horoscope..two different interpretations. Why believe in astrology when some people are fradulent?Moreover I think there are umpteen number of watys to earn money than by cheating people who are in distress.At the end after hearing some of their " future " > > > interpretations > > > > > > > > of my life, my mental trauma has only increased. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry for the rant but I am annoyed with people who make living by cheating people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Check out the all-new Messenger 9.0! Go to http://in.messenger ../ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 To All : I fully agree with every word of Rohini ji in his previous thread. I have first hand experience of many universities and other government and private organizations in the field of astrology. Dedicated research in this field must be an individual affair, to be published in journals or on the internet at the cost of abusive personal attacks by those who hate research and are wedded to stereotyped ideas. Taking this risk, I've already started publishing the methodology of a little known but accurate ancient technique of mundane astrology at a website. -VJ ________________________________ Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan Tuesday, April 14, 2009 4:33:51 AM Astrological Research Dear All, Just thinking aloud here ... Please do not shoot the poster ;-) Oh and I changed the 'soft' header to make it more appropriate to the theme. The Header is kind of Atal and can only be changed through a rebirth which in this reality means a NEW THREAD! Research has always been considered an expensive, funding-intensive venture and in the field of physical, chemical and biological sciences etc that has been the case because of the expensive equipment, housing facilities and what not. And of course the salaries of the professors and the experts and on and on. Astrological research probably would require rather meagre resources comparatively. Some software, some databases and dedicated volunteers and some dedicated astrologers. One would imagine that it would not take a lot of financial resources, right? It is not the funding but the TIME that is the costly commodity involved. Most serious researchers in astrology are not astro-professionals and many of these are very bright but amateur researchers. And very very short on time. And many of these have other professions and livelihoods and families, in some cases young families that perhaps require more attention and time. I believe there have been some organizations in Europe and in India who have carried out research on what is termed shoe-string budgets and with a lot of time expended by individuals and often voluntarily. When all is done, the research needs to be published somewhere. There are no dedicated journals or venues that remain neutral but very soon get affected and afflicted by territoriality and politics which seems to follow humanity whereever it goes. And it matters not which nationality or culture. So internet remains the be all end all for communication with its free spirit and freedom from standards other than the IT ones! And even those change almost each time we wake up next morning! As if that were not enough, astrologers tend to be a sensitive bunch. Ask a question and it is often taken personally and often vitriol or even molotov cocktails follow. And those who take offense are not entirely unjustified in doing so. Many a times, the questions are not sincere or even civil. Some people simplistically think that the STATE should take over and control the field of astrological practice and education and research. Well! We know what the STATE and statesMEN have done to education, healthcare, research, economics, judiciary, you name it! And between nations and societies it is really just a relative matter, some are higher, others have already fallen low with others to follow! Perhaps on this Easter, one can hope, pray or at least expect that a Messiah is in the offing or perhaps an Awatar would be more topically appropriate! Until then, each one on their own...! Rohiniranjan , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@. ..> wrote: > > Dear All > I think even Indian Council for Astrological Sciences,Banglore( ICAS) considered as deemed university can also welcome such suggestions for promotion of higher education.A corpus/fund for research is always a good idea. > Even IITs too have centers promoting rural development and things like weather forecasts and helping the nation and farmer is always welcomed.Wardha too has one such recently formed centre.Some of these technical heads also show /evince interest > Promoting higher education by way of contributions/ donations from philonthropists was suggested by our present Prime Minister way back in 1997 as Finance Minister.So role of UGC in such is minimal.Institution al heads and research bords of university are competent to promote academics including jyotish. > > --- On Sat, 4/11/09, Pom <pankajdhar@ ...> wrote: > > Pom <pankajdhar@ ...> > ?IPR- Intellectual Property- weather forecast... Re: Fradulent astrologers > > Saturday, April 11, 2009, 11:26 AM > > Anyway the call is yours. > > laws of physics are also divine-though they currently operate at a macro level, than the subtler forces in astrology. > > Protecting one's right for the sake of country is in no way contradiction to monkhood. You simply donot need to use the money for yourself.(but again it is your choice). > > You,I and all others are a part of divine property )..?(Any way no inettn to initaite a philo debate.... > > Sure,we will wait for the 10 known examples from you- as we all agreed upon. > > Take care, > Punkajj > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > > Punkajj ji, > > Your advice is sincere, but being a monk I cannot appropriate intellectual property which, according to my late Guruji, is divine property. Moreover, I did not discover anything, I learnt it from my late Guruji. > > > > Your concerns, however, are genuine. I had tried to donate the method to an astrological dept in a university, but mandarins in UGC sent experts of Sahitya to evaluate Jyotisha, and my attempts were frustrated. > > > > -VJ > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Pom <pankajdhar@ ...> > > > > Saturday, April 11, 2009 1:25:53 PM > > IPR- Intellectual Property- weather forecast... Re: Fradulent astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vinay Ji- if what you said is true..my humble suggestion. > > > > DONOT GIVE YOUR METJOD FO PREDICTION FOR FREE....you shoudl file for a IPR..once you go through a sceintfic process...(Let us frist do it for the case we agreed upon, 10 cases known, then random..and then may be more ....) > > > > Otherwise tomorrow we will pay millions to the west, but essentailly which avll came from our own VEDIC technologies. .. > > > > Actually the key reason fro succes of VEDIC methods is that the FRAMEWORK IS MROE POWERFUL AND COMPLETE..and takes more relevant variables into account..- though it needs a face lift. > > > > They have IPRed haldi/rice.. what not...we could not IPR BREATH/pranayama ) > > > > We would have rolled in trillions..of dollars.... > > > > Every breath counts man ) > > > > Regards, > > Punkajj > > > > , " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Well said ! I have been sending rain forecasts to IMD for years, about which I am afterwards told in private that my forecasts were found to be true, but they never acknowledge it publicly !! > > > -VJ > > > ============ ===== ============ == > > > , " " <gaurav.ghosh@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna| | > > > > Dear.... > > > > Your frustration of getting remedies & readings through incompetent astrologers remind of the poor forecasts by the Meteorological Department of India--Govt. is spending the money that we give through Tax & millions being spent for some pathetic weather forecasts. > > > > The General Public should certainly protest against such " poor forecasts " . > > > > Thank you, > > > > . > > > > http://gauravastro. 150m.com > > > > > > > > , " rulezindia " <rulezindia@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > > > Apologies for the delay in my reply.I see that all of you have given examples of doctors.Well I am not denying that. What I am concerned is why do the opinions vary between two astrologers? > > > > > > > > > > I am paying huge amount to get my readings done..sometimes to the effect of more than 1000 bucks.If what the person who read the chart said is false, will he give back the money? He would give an answer saying my chart was wrong..the question about my return to native place is a very minor thing. I had gone for a major issue thats currently happening. thats why this angst and rant. > > > > > > > > > > I am sorry if I have offended you. there are black sheeps in every industry..My frustration is when some people cheat at the expense of others > > > > > > > > > > , " Mrutyunjay Tripathy " <astrologer_ mrutyunjay@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear friend, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All this happens in all professions. > > > > > > > > > > > > No doctors unahble to diagnose a disease seldom honestly tells the patient ; > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Sir, I am not able to find the root cause of your problem and hence cure for it' ( In my personal experience I have met with only 3 such doctors in the 42 years of age) > > > > > > > > > > > > However you will find hundreds of honest and sincere astrologers telling you even at the beginning'; > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Sir your life events do not match your horoscope, so we can not give you readings' or 'Sir as per my knowledge your horoscope shows good things but I can not see why the bad things are happening with you' > > > > > > > > > > > > The same percent of honesty if maintained by doctors and lawers or other professionals then the world would be a different place to live in. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The next thing is do not go by the pomp and show of the offices of anyh professional. ..be an astrologer, doctor or lawyer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The real professional having wisdom seldom gets time for....getting make up done and doing tit bit decorations and advertisements in TV and media. > > > > > > > > > > > > If one is engaged in show business and avertisement then when does one gets time for study/ research/ real-time experience. > > > > > > > > > > > > With regards and best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > mrutyunjay tripathy > > > > > > , India Rulez <rulezindia@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hello, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I had my chart read by two different astrologers and both had 2 different versions to say.I am experiencing mental traauma in my life and so the reason for going to astrologers. Obviously I reckon when people have everything going for them, they wouldnt be going to astrologers. My issue is with these astrologers. .Fine, everyone has to have a living.So when astrologers ask for money, I have no problems.The problem is when they demand exorbitant sums and in the end have a different version of my " future " from the other astrologer. For instance, though a minor thing one astrologer said I would be staying abroad and not return to my antive place and the other one said just the opposite. Same horoscope..two different interpretations. Why believe in astrology when some people are fradulent?Moreover I think there are umpteen number of watys to earn money than by cheating people who are in distress.At the end after hearing some of their " future " > > interpretations > > > > > > > of my life, my mental trauma has only increased. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry for the rant but I am annoyed with people who make living by cheating people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Check out the all-new Messenger 9.0! Go to http://in.messenger ../ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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