FULLY Agree ?IPR- Intellectual Property- weather forecast... Fradulent a

April 13, 2009

Dear Sri Vatteren Ji,

I full agree with you.

jyotisha in ancient times was parctsied under different market systems than now-

so if we donot change the approach of getting funding.

It can spell doom in the long run..

If Jyotisha or mantra shastra can deliver a value(Yes- we all know it can),

atleast nominal charges should apply.

If we have better weather forecasting methods- why not to go fro the same?

As you are a veteran astrologer- do you think you could kindly suggests steps to

do so and then let us see what we in dinividual capcity to could do to take this

diea froward.

Thanks.

Regards

Punkajj C Dhar

, vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

>

> Dear All

> I think even Indian Council for Astrological Sciences,Banglore(ICAS)

considered as deemed university can also welcome such suggestions for promotion

of higher education.A corpus/fund for research is always a good idea.

> Even IITs too have centers promoting rural development and things like weather

forecasts and helping the nation and farmer is always welcomed.Wardha too has

one such recently formed centre.Some of these technical heads also show /evince

interest

> Promoting higher education by way of contributions/donations from

philonthropists was suggested by our present Prime Minister way back in 1997 as

Finance Minister.So role of UGC in such is minimal.Institutional heads and

research bords of university are competent to promote academics including

jyotish.

>

> --- On Sat, 4/11/09, Pom <pankajdhar wrote:

>

> Pom <pankajdhar

> ?IPR- Intellectual Property- weather forecast... Re: Fradulent

astrologers

>

> Saturday, April 11, 2009, 11:26 AM

>

Anyway the call is yours.

>

> laws of physics are also divine-though they currently operate at a macro

level, than the subtler forces in astrology.

>

> Protecting one's right for the sake of country is in no way contradiction to

monkhood. You simply donot need to use the money for yourself.(but again it is

your choice).

>

> You,I and all others are a part of divine property )..?(Any way no inettn

to initaite a philo debate....

>

> Sure,we will wait for the 10 known examples from you- as we all agreed upon.

>

> Take care,

> Punkajj

>

> , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Punkajj ji,

> > Your advice is sincere, but being a monk I cannot appropriate intellectual

property which, according to my late Guruji, is divine property. Moreover, I did

not discover anything, I learnt it from my late Guruji.

> >

> > Your concerns, however, are genuine. I had tried to donate the method to an

astrological dept in a university, but mandarins in UGC sent experts of Sahitya

to evaluate Jyotisha, and my attempts were frustrated.

> >

> > -VJ

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Pom <pankajdhar@ ...>

> >

> > Saturday, April 11, 2009 1:25:53 PM

> > IPR- Intellectual Property- weather forecast... Re: Fradulent

astrologers

> >

> > Dear Vinay Ji- if what you said is true..my humble suggestion.

> >

> > DONOT GIVE YOUR METJOD FO PREDICTION FOR FREE....you shoudl file for a

IPR..once you go through a sceintfic process...(Let us frist do it for the case

we agreed upon, 10 cases known, then random..and then may be more ....)

> >

> > Otherwise tomorrow we will pay millions to the west, but essentailly which

avll came from our own VEDIC technologies. ..

> >

> > Actually the key reason fro succes of VEDIC methods is that the FRAMEWORK IS

MROE POWERFUL AND COMPLETE..and takes more relevant variables into account..-

though it needs a face lift.

> >

> > They have IPRed haldi/rice.. what not...we could not IPR BREATH/pranayama

)

> >

> > We would have rolled in trillions..of dollars....

> >

> > Every breath counts man )

> >

> > Regards,

> > Punkajj

> >

> > , " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16@ ...>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Well said ! I have been sending rain forecasts to IMD for years, about

which I am afterwards told in private that my forecasts were found to be true,

but they never acknowledge it publicly !!

> > > -VJ

> > > ============ ===== ============ ==

> > > , " " <gaurav.ghosh@ >

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna| |

> > > > Dear....

> > > > Your frustration of getting remedies & readings through incompetent

astrologers remind of the poor forecasts by the Meteorological Department of

India--Govt. is spending the money that we give through Tax & millions being

spent for some pathetic weather forecasts.

> > > > The General Public should certainly protest against such " poor

forecasts " .

> > > > Thank you,

> > > > .

> > > > http://gauravastro. 150m.com

> > > >

> > > > , " rulezindia " <rulezindia@ >

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi all,

> > > > >

> > > > > Apologies for the delay in my reply.I see that all of you have given

examples of doctors.Well I am not denying that. What I am concerned is why do

the opinions vary between two astrologers?

> > > > >

> > > > > I am paying huge amount to get my readings done..sometimes to the

effect of more than 1000 bucks.If what the person who read the chart said is

false, will he give back the money? He would give an answer saying my chart was

wrong..the question about my return to native place is a very minor thing. I had

gone for a major issue thats currently happening. thats why this angst and rant.

> > > > >

> > > > > I am sorry if I have offended you. there are black sheeps in every

industry..My frustration is when some people cheat at the expense of others

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Mrutyunjay Tripathy "

<astrologer_ mrutyunjay@ > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear friend,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > All this happens in all professions.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > No doctors unahble to diagnose a disease seldom honestly tells the

patient ;

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 'Sir, I am not able to find the root cause of your problem and hence

cure for it' ( In my personal experience I have met with only 3 such doctors in

the 42 years of age)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > However you will find hundreds of honest and sincere astrologers

telling you even at the beginning';

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 'Sir your life events do not match your horoscope, so we can not

give you readings' or 'Sir as per my knowledge your horoscope shows good things

but I can not see why the bad things are happening with you'

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The same percent of honesty if maintained by doctors and lawers or

other professionals then the world would be a different place to live in.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The next thing is do not go by the pomp and show of the offices of

anyh professional. ..be an astrologer, doctor or lawyer.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The real professional having wisdom seldom gets time for....getting

make up done and doing tit bit decorations and advertisements in TV and media.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If one is engaged in show business and avertisement then when does

one gets time for study/ research/ real-time experience.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > With regards and best wishes,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > mrutyunjay tripathy

> > > > > > , India Rulez <rulezindia@

> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > hello,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I had my chart read by two different astrologers and both had 2

different versions to say.I am experiencing mental traauma in my life and so the

reason for going to astrologers. Obviously I reckon when people have everything

going for them, they wouldnt be going to astrologers. My issue is with these

astrologers. .Fine, everyone has to have a living.So when astrologers ask for

money, I have no problems.The problem is when they demand exorbitant sums and in

the end have a different version of my " future " from the other astrologer. For

instance, though a minor thing one astrologer said I would be staying abroad and

not return to my antive place and the other one said just the opposite. Same

horoscope..two different interpretations. Why believe in astrology when some

people are fradulent?Moreover I think there are umpteen number of watys to earn

money than by cheating people who are in distress.At the end after hearing some

of their " future "

> > interpretations

> > > > > > > of my life, my mental trauma has only increased.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sorry for the rant but I am annoyed with people who make living by

cheating people.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Check out the all-new Messenger 9.0! Go to http://in.messenger

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> > > > > > >

April 13, 2009

Sir,

In Delhi there are many learned scholars and a couple of them had received

Govt's favour too but not willing to promote these aspects.probably they are in

demand and media favours them a lot.

One reputed about four /five years back was scouting market to identify a person

to support and write to their magazine/publication and approached us .Then such

write ups for ordinary use and for promoting curiosity are not worth to get

involved.

These days many TV Channels have given timings/slots for jyotish and for

discussions but not to build up research interests.An initiative in this reagrd

can arise only when it is proved that jyotish research scientifically too

benifit can promote common cause of the society and is worth to identify funds

to accept proposals for research.only thing which went to Govt notice is Jnatar

Mantars for calculation of planetary purposes.In fact Govts desired to have such

parks one for each state to increase awareness of people and allow further

studies.

Thatway NASA is some what encouraging these ideas and allows for some academic

data

vrkrishnan

--- On Mon, 4/13/09, Pom <pankajdhar wrote:

Pom <pankajdhar

FULLY Agree ?IPR- Intellectual Property- weather forecast... Re:

Fradulent a

Monday, April 13, 2009, 9:31 AM

Dear Sri Vatteren Ji,

I full agree with you.

jyotisha in ancient times was parctsied under different market systems than now-

so if we donot change the approach of getting funding.

It can spell doom in the long run..

If Jyotisha or mantra shastra can deliver a value(Yes- we all know it can),

atleast nominal charges should apply.

If we have better weather forecasting methods- why not to go fro the same?

As you are a veteran astrologer- do you think you could kindly suggests steps to

do so and then let us see what we in dinividual capcity to could do to take this

diea froward.

Thanks.

Regards

Punkajj C Dhar

, vattem krishnan <bursar_99@. ..>

wrote:

>

> Dear All

> I think even Indian Council for Astrological Sciences,Banglore( ICAS)

considered as deemed university can also welcome such suggestions for promotion

of higher education.A corpus/fund for research is always a good idea.

> Even IITs too have centers promoting rural development and things like weather

forecasts and helping the nation and farmer is always welcomed.Wardha too has

one such recently formed centre.Some of these technical heads also show /evince

interest

> Promoting higher education by way of contributions/ donations from

philonthropists was suggested by our present Prime Minister way back in 1997 as

Finance Minister.So role of UGC in such is minimal.Institution al heads and

research bords of university are competent to promote academics including

jyotish.

>

> --- On Sat, 4/11/09, Pom <pankajdhar@ ...> wrote:

>

> Pom <pankajdhar@ ...>