Main Problems of Vedic Astrology - Kundalee- Test it ASTROLOGICALLY !!

April 10, 2009

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ji :

You said : >>>>>> " By equating Mt.Meru with that of mountain in Kenya,

you are vertually racking up the age old controversy - was astrology

brought to India from outside (Kenya?) or did it go outside from

India?. " <<<<<<

Strange argument ! No ancient or modern writer, as far as I know, ever

said Mt Meru was in India (some tried to equate it with Mt Kailash). If

someone locates it in the Arctic Ocean (North Pole), Indocentricism is

not hurt, but if I say that Suryasiddhanta and Narapatijayacharya

clearly say it was at the middle of the Earth in the land of Jamboonada,

does it not prove it was outside India ? Neither Jamboonada flows in

India nor the equator passes through India.

I do not want to show you posts to me by " reputed " astrologers abusing

my mother and sister in worst obscene language, because I forgave him.

Whom I ever called name ? I merely said some persons are scoundrels and

some are good-hearted. Everyone knows this truth, for which you are

teaching me lessons in etiquette.

Your words are : " frustration of being rejected or rediculed by others "

is your misconception about me. It was me who rejected worldliness and

became an ascetic, and not the world rejecting me. I belonged to a

powerful political family and my relatives were dejected when I left my

brilliant academic career, having topped both in science and arts

(English literature) to become an ascetic and learn astrology. My works

are accepted by reputed institutions : Click Here.

<http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Vinay_Jha>

Earlier, I did not want to distribute Kundalee software to all and

sundry and gave it only to those who knew its worth. It was created in

2005, but I started distributing it through the internet actually in the

beginning of Jan 2009. Only those persons are " rejecting and ridiculing "

it who are opposed either to Suryasiddhanta or to BPHS. Hence they are

not rejecting me, they are rejecting Lord Surya or Sage Parashara. To

date, I have not seen a single refutation of Kundalee software based on

any astrological ground. Planetary positions of Suryasiddhanta differ

from yhose of physical planets. Why make a fuss about planetary

positions, make a fuss if astrological results are wrong. Many

softwares are experimenting with ayanamsha and Vimshottari year length,

I widened this experiment to a third zone (planetary position). This

view is based on traditional astrological wisdom, according to which

astrological planets are different from physical planets not only in

character but in heavenly positions as well (CLICK HERE !

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to hear someone else's

words). I hope Shenoy ji will take my words in a good spirit.

-VJ

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, " sureshbabuag "

<sureshbabuag wrote:

>

> Namasthe

>

> Its very good that you understand that there are various systems in

astrology.

>

> It is you posted here in the first place trying to prove your point. I

dont have to prove anything to you. It was you who refered the Mt Meru &

ujain also. It is not that I wanted Mt.Meru in Ujain. You totaly

misunderstood the concept. Kindly re-read what I had written on it. By

equating Mt.Meru with that of mountain in Kenya, you are vertually

racking up the age old controversy - was astrology brought to India from

outside (Kenya?) or did it go outside from India?.

>

> Not that it is important for normal seekers of astrological advice.

>

> Further, on the computation,

>

> I just tried todays date & and time

> Date : 10-Apr-2009

> Time : 7:00 Am

> Latitude : 09:58N

> Longitude: 76:17E

>

> The longitude of Venus as given by

> Kundalee: 28:37:58

> jHora : 06:25:44

> Traditional Panchanga : 06:28

> another local software: 06:26

>

> Kundalee varies Hugely. Can you explain it?.

>

> All your theories make an interesting reading provided it is backed

with " accurate " data & not being sarcastic or bad mouthing

( " scoundrals " ) that is totaly unbecomming of a monk.

>

> You have immense knowledge in the subject, but it seems frustration of

being rejected or rediculed by others is taking its toll which is very

evident in the words you choose to express.

>

> I do not intend nor consider myself competent to teach you anything,

But being an open forum, every one has to maintain its etiquette,

particularly since a lot of persons visit only to learn a thing or two

about astrology.

>

> dhyaayato viShayaanpuMsaH sa~NgasteShupajaayate

> sa~Ngaatsa~njaayate kaamaH kaamaatkrodho.abhijaayate..

>

> krodhaadbhavati sammohaH sammohaatsmritivibhramaH

> smritibhraMshaad buddhinaasho buddhinaashaatpraNashyati..

>

> With warm regards

> A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

, Vinay Jha vinayjhaa16@ wrote:

> >

> > To sureshbabuag ji :

> >

> > There are systems not based on Vimshottari, but no ancient or

modern author has written AGAINST the efficacy of Vimshottari dasha.

If someone believes Vimshottari system is wrong, he/she should not use

Kundalee software. This software is based on BPHS and not on Brihad

Jataka. There are differences in BPHS and Brihad Jataka and I do not

want to say anything against Brihad Jataka or against any system.

Kundalee software is not an encyclopaedia of all systems.

> >

> > I repeat that Kundalee software is world's most accurate software if

one wants to test timing of events based on Vimshottari system and wants

to test all divisionals according to principles of BPHS and Laghu

Parashari. But for those who do not follow BPHS and do not use

Vimshottari, Kundalee software is of no use.

> >

> > I gave reference of verses in ancient texts (eg, Suryasiddhanta,

Narapatijayacharya) about the location of Mt Meru, but Mr Shenoy now

wants Mt Meru in Ujjain without giving any reference.

> >

> > What is the use of arguing with people who want to prove, without

testing a software, that a software should not be used ?? They are free

not to test a software.

> >

> > -VJ

> > ======================= ========================

> >

> > ________________________________

> > sureshbabuag sureshbabuag@

> >

> > Friday, April 10, 2009 3:31:15 PM

> > Re: Main Problems of Vedic Astrology - Kundalee

> >

> > Namasthe

> >

> > Now it your turn to look again at what I had written. A never used

the word Lunar Time for computing the " time " for birth time or " Hora " .

> >

> > The computation / reference of " Time " has changed over centuries due

to various developments & adoptations. In old days " time " was found

using the " sankuchaya " , which is practicaly useless at night.

Mechanical clocks were developed only a few centuries back and how many

could have afforded it? even if they could have obtained one.

> >

> > Hence it is only logical & prudent to adopt a suitable method of

computation when time changes. There is nothing illogical in it.

> >

> > Here the only controvercy is over Ayanamsa. Over the centuries,

great many people have contributed their thoughts on this. Sri Chandra

Hari who holds an M.sc in physics & M.Tech from BHU, Varnasi has given a

new formula based on his findings & information & studies in vedas &

upanishads. But he being not an astrologer and not having true

predictive experience we cannot easily accept it. But there is harm in

experimenting.

> >

> > Late Sri B.V.Raman had given his own formula and many say it is very

accurate. We have to believe it, simply due to the greatness of that

person. I am sure he would not have risked his reputation as well as

that of his ancestors simply on the question of a degree or two.

> >

> > Sri M.C.Lahiri's is the most widely used method and thousands of

great astrologers are staking their reputation & welfare of the people

who seek their advice on a grossily wrong principle.

> >

> > Further, I am sure you are wrongly informed when you wrote about the

efficacy of Vimsottari Dasa for that matter any particular dasa system.

> >

> > Kindly refer to the 7th chapter 1st sloka of brihad jataka

> >

> > mayayavanamaNinthas haktipuurvaiH

> > divasakaraadiShu vatsaraaH pradiShTaaH

> > navatithiviShayaash wibhuutarudraa

> > dashasahitaa dashabhisswatungabh eShu

> >

> > Where the no's for calculation of Ucha/neecha dasa is given &

further says that when raja yoga is present as in the case of

" yasaswii " .

> >

> > He again states the importance of amsaka dasa.

> > swamatena kilaaha jiivasharmmaa

> > grihadaayaM paramaayuShasswaraa MshaM

> > grihabhuuktanavaaMs haraashitulyaM

> > bahuusaamyaM samupaiti satyavaakyam. .

> >

> > again in chapter 8 of the same book verse 22

> >

> > shubhaphaladadashaa yaam taadrigevaandaraatm aa

> > bahu janayati puMsaaM saukhyamarthaagaman jha

> > kathitaphalavipaaka istarkayedwartta maanaaM

> > pariNamati phaloktiH swapnachindaaswavii raiH..

> >

> > He is very clear in statement that the dasa which proves most

efficient & corresponds to most of the events should be adopted.

> >

> > What is specifically written, what is not written, what is assumed,

what is commented about others opinion etc all should be considered

before forming any opinion.

> >

> > If Vimshottari alone shows the whole life cycle & events in ones

life Varaha Mihira & others would not wasted their valuable time on

other type of dasa. We do not possess even 1/1000 of the knowledge they

possessed. Still it would not be without reason they searched for other

type of dasas.

> >

> > Similarly, No astrology classical works state that the computation

of period should only be done on the basis Lunar year. Representation of

day / month / year are periodical & subjective to the nation. Even In

India, though English dates are considered for day-today activities &

universal consistency, Some communities only consider Lunar dates for

religious purpose. The only real difference is in the concept & mean. An

English date only a date while a lunar thithy has a wider meaning as far

as we are concerned. Hence, Lunar Year may be considered for dasa system

for the sake of experimentation.

> >

> > Then again, there are many methods. (a) Consider lunar year (b)

consider Lunar converted year 116.5 years instead of 12 year © compute

normally & instead of presenting the output in English dates present it

in lunar dates.

> >

> > Many authors have stressed the need to look at factors like once

lineage etc when stating the effects of planets / yogas which invariably

will effect the dasa also.

> >

> > Saravali : on Raja yogas

> >

> > svocchatrikoNagR^ ihagairbalasaMyu taishcha tryaadyairnR^ ipo

bhavati bhuupativaMshajaata H

> > pa~nchaadibhirjanap adaprabhavo. api siddho hiinaiH

kshitiishvarasamo na tu bhuumipaalaH. .

> >

> > If three planets are exalted or in moolatrikona or with strength, a

person born in royal family shall become the king. The next part also

states similar conditions. The most important point here is " born in

royal family " . Hence it should be understood that the same yoga may not

produce a king if the person is born in much lower family status. This

raises another question, What is use of most accurate dasa system if the

astrologer is not aware of the financial / family background of the

person in such a situation. If we go blindly by data alone it is very

easy to commit blunders.

> >

> > Finaly Mt Meru mentioned by you in another post is very simple. The

" Meru " mean spine in Sanskrit & hence refers to Tropic of cancer which

passes through Ujain. The Mount is added to indicate its greatness &

firmness â€ " that never changes, the base characteristic of a

mountain. There is nothing mystical about it & and it does not refer to

Meru partvatha used for " palazhi mathana " . The readers should not be

confused by this.

> >

> > While, your thoughts, concepts & software are most welcome, claiming

that it is " worlds most accurate one " is taking it too far. By doing

that you are degrading every other great proponents of astrology living

or bygone.

> >

> > Astronomy & particularly astrology is highly adaptive, and has

undergone various " Samskars " refinement over the ages. Rather that

trying to exert an already established theory, it would be better if you

concentrate on taking the views of its users & refining the software.

> >

> > With this I rest my case.

> >

> > With warm regards

> > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy.

> >

> > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@

....> wrote:

> > >

> > > Shenoy ji,

> > >

> > > The verses you quoted from Prasna Marg were based upon an earlier

work : Panchsiddhantika of Varah Mihir.

> > >

> > > Why you guessed I have anything new about " Time " ? I used

standard methods of computing birthtime.. Did you guess I used lunar

time everywhere ? There is no hidden thing in Kundalee, and I've already

explained what are its unique features.

> > >

> > > Varah Mihir used different method of dasha, but neither he nor

anyone else has ever said that " Vimshottari dasa need not reveal /

correspond to all the events in ones life " . BPHS clearly gives a long

list of three typres of dashas :

> > >

> > > (1) Vimshottari, which has no condition and no opponent, and is

therefore universally applicable.

> > > (2) Nine other nakshatra based dasha which work when certain

conditions are fulfilled.

> > > (3) Other dashas, about which BPHS says that they are not

universally accepted.

> > >

> > > All your suspicions will be removed when you start using the

English pages of English version of Kundalee ; you need not touch Hindi

pages which are less important and are seldom needed. Complete

translation into English will take a long time : why you do not believe

me that only those pages are in Hindi alone which you will hardly need

in actual practice.

> > >

> > > -VJ

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag@ ...>

> > >

> > > Friday, April 10, 2009 12:38:54 AM

> > > Re: Main Problems of Vedic Astrology - Kundalee

> > >

> > > Namasthe

> > >

> > > Fine, I understood. But you did not comment on the calculation of

" Time " .

> > >

> > > More over there are many factors to astrology other than mere

calculations alone & the importance of suryasindhanta is nothing new

also.

> > >

> > > " braahmaH saurashcha vaasiShTo raumashaH paulishastathaa

> > > siddhaantaa iti pa~ncha syuuH kathyante khalu tad{}bhidaaH. . "

> > >

> > > The five sidhantas as Brahma, Surya, Vashishta & Poulasa

> > >

> > > " spaShTo braahmastu siddhaantastasyaasa nnastu raumashaH

> > > sauraH spaShTataro. aspaShTau vaasiShTaH paulishashcha tau.. "

> > >

> > > Brahama sidhanta is accurate, Romasa is more accurate. Surya is

the most accurate. Vashista & Poulisa is not accurate.

> > >

> > > " kadaachid{} brahmasiddhaanta H saavitrastu kadaachana

> > > kadaachidraumashaH spaShTo na kadaachittathetarau .. "

> > >

> > > Sometime brahma sidhanta is accurate, Surya is always clear,

Sometimes Romasa is clear. But the other are never accurate.

> > >

> > > The above is from Prasna Marga, a book that was written atleast

1100 years back, a the book we value highly. Hence, there is nothing new

in your claim. Further, Every classical text urges us to compute " time "

according to " kaladeshapramanena " , simply put using those equipments

awailable at the place / period / century etc.

> > >

> > > There are astrological tools like " kunda kriya " etc to rectify the

birth time also.

> > >

> > > It is also said that the dasa which corresponds to major events in

the past should be considered to predict future events also. This view

is held by almost all the classical writers. Hence, Vimshottari dasa

need not reveal / correspond to all the events in ones life.

> > >

> > > Is astrology solely depended only on computations alone?.

> > >

> > > anekahoraatatvaGYaH paM~nchasiddhaandak ovidaH

> > > uuhaapohapaTuH siddhamantro jaanaati jaatakaM iti..

> > >

> > > One should have core knowledge of many horas, 5 sidhantas

Ã¢â‚¬ " this could very well be Panchasidhanta of Varaha Mihira,

expert in surmising / correlating / intuitive , Mantra siddhi. Such a

person only will know jathaka.

> > >

> > > Though computation is the basis of Astronomy , which becomes the

basis of astrology also , it is not enough.

> > >

> > > Just to drive the point, recently myself & a few homeopathic

doctors were discussing on medical astrology & a chronic nervous

disorder case. I explained, the relationship between the type of

medicine, its relationship with signs, & planets etc. Just then one of

the doctor asked about the rahu & what could be inffered from it / how

it is related to this case?. I must admit, I was taken back, but

remembered that Rahu is called (Paryaya) " Chatram " and could be equated

to Mushroom (toadstool fungi). He said it is called " Agaricus Muscarius "

in Homeopathy and is a medicine for Nervous disorders. Even I was

surprised at the relationship & what amount of information we can get

from Rasi chart itself if we only we care to spend time & effort.

> > >

> > > Finaly we have to resolve the matter of Lunar year for Vimshottari

as you say. We shall discuss this further, if you like.

> > >

> > > Kindly understand that I am not blindly against your software or

the concepts. Primarily I sincerly wish, It was more user friendly &

fully awailable in english. (I had downloaded it way back when you

introduced it).

> > >

> > > with warm regards

> > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > >

> > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@

....> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Shenoy ji,

> > > >

> > > > I said : " remove the word " Hence " in next sentence. "

> > > >

> > > > You read it as " remove all after " hence " " , and deduced

whatever suited your imagination.

> > > >

> > > > If you want accuracy in positions of physical planets, you need

physical astronomy.

> > > >

> > > > If you need accurate ASTROLOGICAL results, there is no

alternative to Suryasiddhanta.

> > > >

> > > > Both modern astronomy and Suryasiddhanta are accurate in their

respective fields.

> > > >

> > > > -VJ

> > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag@ ...>

> > > >

> > > > Thursday, April 9, 2009 10:32:59 PM

> > > > Re: Main Problems of Vedic Astrology - Kundalee

> > > >

> > > > Namasthe,

> > > >

> > > > Ok, Let me understand more clearly.

> > > >

> > > > You wrote, remove all after " hence " - I had written this

sentence in two parts, as

> > > > A) only positions as per Suryasidhantha should be considered

instead of modern methods of computation

> > > > b) Modern methods are more accurate(than Suryasidhantha) .

> > > >

> > > > Do you refute both the arguments or only the (a) part. Which

brings up another argument.

> > > >

> > > > A) Surya sidhantha is more accurate than modern computations

> > > > b) Modern computation could be accurate for finding planetory

positions, but does not correspond with Phala vibhaga.

> > > >

> > > > When we talk about accuracy, while we are using atomic clocks to

know time, In old days , it was something called " Sankuchaya " that was

used to know time. " Time " as it is measured / known then could be

different from today atomic clocks. Hence, we may have to go back &

start using the old " Sankuchaya " for knowing the Time of birth etc.

> > > >

> > > > Without " if " , " hence " , " but " one cannot understand / learn

anything or convey any thoughts. This is the very essence of what we

call as " Sanskrit " - that which has been refined. No doubt, Astrology is

divine science, But equally there should not be any doubt its deep

scientific roots and without " if " & " but " , one cannot write a software.

> > > >

> > > > Kindly reflect.

> > > > warm regards

> > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > >

> > > > , Vinay Jha

<vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > All your points are correct, but the reason given is not

correct. You say : " All the phala (results) used for predictions where

originaly based on position of planets computed as per Suryasidhanta.

Hence only positions as per Suryasidhantha should be considered

> > > > > instead of modern methods of computation, though regarded as

more

> > > > > accurate. "

> > > > >

> > > > > The first half is correct ( " " All the phala (results) used for

predictions where originaly based on position of planets computed as per

Suryasidhanta. " ). But remove the word " Hence " in next sentence. I had

same misgivings about Suryasiddhanta as most of the modern astrologers

have, and would never have touched Suryasiddhanta on my own.. But I was

fortunate to be a disciple of a paramhamsa baala-brahmachaari sadhu Dr

Lakshamana Jha who was a great scholar also (he was Ph.D from School of

Oriental and African Studies in London University, and served as a Vice

Chancellor without taking any salary). His 60 books are rotting

unpublished in the hands of unworthy persons, but I was lucky to have

learnt many things from him. I did not arrive at Suryasiddhanta due to

any " hence " , " if " or " but " , due to blessings of my deperted Guru.

> > > > >

> > > > > You may like to see the following which a member recently sent

to me :

> > > > >

> > > > > " This is a video of Swami Paramahamsa Nithyananda talking

about astrology, and I

> > > > > think what he says is somewhat similar. He says that

astrological planets are

> > > > > different from the astronomical ones (although the reason he

gives is

> > > > > different), and that they are deities, not just physical

planets.

> > > > >

> > > > > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=wtRqUFi6l4o "

> > > > >

> > > > > -VJ

> > > > >

> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag@ ...>

> > > > >

> > > > > Thursday, April 9, 2009 8:56:06 PM

> > > > > Re: Main Problems of Vedic Astrology - Kundalee

> > > > >

> > > > > Namasthe

> > > > >

> > > > > Thank you for your response. It is not a matter of disliking

hindi, rather it is understanding it. Unfortunately, I don't.

> > > > >

> > > > > I don't mind waiting. As far as accuracy us concerned, well,

we shall see.

> > > > >

> > > > > Mean while may I surmise your view points.

> > > > > 1) Calculations for finding the longitude of planets should be

based on Suryasidhanta methods.

> > > > > 2) Hence, Nakshtra, karana, yoga etc shall also vary

accordingly.

> > > > > 3) Vimshottari Dasa should be computed on Lunar year & not on

solar year.

> > > > > 4) All the phala (results) used for predictions where

originaly based on position of planets computed as per Suryasidhanta.

> > > > > 5) Hence only positions as per Suryasidhantha should be

considered instead of modern methods of computation, though regarded as

more accurate.

> > > > > 6) Ayanamsa calculation also should be purely on

Suryasidhanta.

> > > > >

> > > > > I just trying to understand your views. Correct me if am I

erred in any of the above.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards

> > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > >

> > > > > , Vinay Jha

<vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > @A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy :

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The Kundalee software was made in Hindi only and was

distributed freely in the Hindi belt through CDs. Lately, I converted

most important pages into English and uploaded it on the internet. If

you dislike Hindi in the remaing pages of English version, I will have

to delete those pages. But many astrologers said they can read Hindi but

want English input.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hence, please bear for some time. The accuracy of

astrological results will more than compensate for your trouble. I want

to hear about your experiences about the astrological results.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag@ ...>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thursday, April 9, 2009 6:25:39 PM

> > > > > > Re: Main Problems of Vedic Astrology -

Kundalee

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namasthe

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sri Vinay Jha

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I had downloaded the software. I am sorry to say that, it

lacks user friendliness. Though it could be viewed in Hindi or English,

if we choose english, the form that is displayed when button " Planets "

is pressed switches to hindi from english WHEN ZOOMED. Most of the forms

displays only Hindi & they are highly crowded with data making it less

readable.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > There is no doubt that you have created a valuable tool.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Kindly look into the problems.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > warm regards

> > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " vinayjhaa16 "

<vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > To All :-

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As I gather from remarks made by users of various internet

forums and experiments made by astrological software makers, the most

important problem faced by Vedic astrologers is that of Ayanamsha. All

other problems of mathematical portion of astrology seems to have been

finally resolved by modern physical scientists. Since the basic rules of

phalita (predictive) astrology have not been questioned by almost all

Vedic astrologers, does it mean barring ayanamsha there is no real

problem in vedic astrology today ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > But is it really so ? There are softwares in the market

today which give the user an opportunity to chose or put in any value of

ayanamsha. Currently, various values of ayanamsha range from over 22 to

24 degrees approximately. With all possible values of ayanamsha already

having been experimented with, has the problem of a foolproof software

been solved ? If any astrologer feels he/she already has perfect

softwares and barring a slight readjustment of ayanamsha there is

nothing to be experimented with, he/she need not read my messages,

because it will lead to useless fuss. But if anyone feels even with all

types of ayanamshas and all types of softwares, accurate prediction is

never guaranteed and much remains to be done, they must read this

thread..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Astrologers are human beings, and to err is human. I have

also erred on many occassions. It is difficult to take into account all

charts together with their due weightage. There were numerous occassions

when with all sorts of interpretations I could not get satisfactory

explanations of real life events. After decades of research, I found out

that most of our current problems are rooted in our departure from

ancient principles, which can be summed up in following points :

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1) Suryasiddhantic ayanamsha gives accurate results. BV

Raman adopted Suryasiddhantic ayanamsha, but for the present era he

added modern rate of annual precession. Hence his ayanamsha is a hybrid

one, very near to Suryasiddhantic one. Yukteshwar ayanamsha is also

Suryasiddhantic, with negligible difference.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2) Vimshottari year of 360 days ought to be lunar, based

360 lunar days (tithis). Vimshottari is made from Moon. Chhaandogya

Upanishada says full life is of 116 years. 120 lunar years are equal to

116..4 solar years. leave aside these arguments, perfect timing of

events has found to be achieved with lunar year used for Vimshottari.

Many other software developers had also experimented with this option ;

I am not the first. But they did not carry out the third reform given

below.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 3) Suryasiddhantic true planets have slight difference

from the true planets of modern physical astronomy, ranging from half to

over a degree. This difference was minimum in 2000 AD and has again

started rising, at the rate of one degree in nearly 117 years.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If these three adjustments are made into modern

astrological softwares, perfect Vimshottari will be achieved. Some other

softwares have options for lunar year for Vimshottari, and they also

have optons for adding or substracting offset to ayanamsha. Had it

contained similar offsets for true planets and lagna, it would have

saved me years which I wasted in developing Kundalee software.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Only third of the above three points needs some

clarification, because the first two points have already been adopted in

many famous vedic softwares. Some people say Suryasiddhanta is an

outdated text and there is no need to experiment with it. They know

majority of Indian panchangas are still made from tables based on

Suryasiddhanta either directly or indirectly. Hence, majority of

traditional vedic astrologers make horoscopes from Suryasiddhanta either

knowingly or unknowingly. Many of them have made comparative studies of

horoscopes made from traditional system with horoscopes made from

softwares, and a large number of these traditional astrologers declare

that Suryasiddhantic horoscopes are far nearer to real life events that

horoscopes based on modern astronomy. That is why astrologers of many

states of India , led by four Sanskrit universities, unanimously decided

in 2005 at a conference in Varanasi that all panchangas ought to be made

on

> > > the

> > > > > > basis of Suryasiddhanta. Unfortunately, voice of this

traditional India is not duly represented on the internet because most

Sanskrit pandits have little or no experience of computers and internet.

That is why some computerized astrologers think the voice of traditional

Indian astrology must be forcibly suppressed because this

" anachronistic " voice is against modernization.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The whole problem is of just half to little over one

degree of offset in positions of true planets, which will make all

divisional charts absolutely accurate for all natives whose birthtime is

accurate. Moreover, traditional predictive rules work in perfect harmony

with Suryasiddhantic computations.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > One method of test is analysis of horoscopes for seeing

the operation of rules of death prediction ( http://jyotirvidya.

wetpaint. com/page/ Prediction+ of+Death ).

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Another method is analysis of horoscopes for examining

Vimshottari timings of events. One example is displayed at

http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Vimshottari+ Dasha under title

Vimshottari Timings for Planets of Mixed Attributes

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Third method is mundane astrology. One example is

forecasting world economy ( http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/

World+Economy+ %3A+Apr+2009- Mar+2010 ) ; another example is

> > > > > > > Economic Future of India : mid-Apr 2009 to mid-Apr 2010 in

the same page ; third example is rain forecast (http://weatherindia

..wetpaint. com/page/ 2007%3AAnnual+ Rain+Forecast+ (from+Apr) +for+

South+Asia) .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Third method, ie, of mundane astrology, is easiest for

ascertaing whether Suryasiddhantic or physical-astronomic al planets

ought to be used for making horoscopes, because horoscopes made at

Samkraantis has a difference of 6-7 raashis due to over half a degree

difference in Suryasiddhantic Surya and modern asteronomical Sun. Such a

great difference in horoscopes will make it easier to see which conforms

more to real events.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It is useless to solve this problem merely by word duel

which will lead us to nowhere. Historical or logical debates will not

help. Practical testing is the only proper way. It is foolish to crush

the voice of a great body of traditional India just because it has no

presence on internet. All these pandits of Sanskrit universities are not

fools or thugs. They have mastered the ancient methods more than

socalled experts of indology in the West. Vedic Astrology is a

traditional discipline and voice of traditional pandits must be

listened.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am calling for free and fair comparison of both methods,

without personal attacks. Those who are not interested in examining the

validity of traditional scholarship may keep away.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > ============ == ===========

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

April 10, 2009

Dear Vinay ji

pl be patient and polite in replies here as I have said earlier also no one here

r from the other group members who have been targeting u so if u expect at least

ppl here to try ur model u must be starting from scratch-so patience will help u

and if as the earlier mail suggested to give examples of both modesl wok sure

all will BENEFIT by it

u have not clarified on the VAKRI/REtrogression is this part of ur model or is

not part of it pl clarify

as the Vakya panchanga karthas or traditional ones don't use them

and for religious functions, yagnas, Upavas [vrat] etc they use Vakya for Phalit

or horary Ganit is used so there is a inbuilt model for them and the ganit model

follows retrogression.

what may differ is the precession par

Prashant

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vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16

Friday, April 10, 2009 8:11:34 PM

Re: Main Problems of Vedic Astrology - Kundalee- Test it

ASTROLOGICALLY !!

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ji :

You said : >>>>>> " By equating Mt.Meru with that of mountain in Kenya,

you are vertually racking up the age old controversy - was astrology

brought to India from outside (Kenya?) or did it go outside from

India?. " <<<< <<

Strange argument ! No ancient or modern writer, as far as I know, ever

said Mt Meru was in India (some tried to equate it with Mt Kailash). If

someone locates it in the Arctic Ocean (North Pole), Indocentricism is

not hurt, but if I say that Suryasiddhanta and Narapatijayacharya

clearly say it was at the middle of the Earth in the land of Jamboonada,

does it not prove it was outside India ? Neither Jamboonada flows in

India nor the equator passes through India.

I do not want to show you posts to me by " reputed " astrologers abusing

my mother and sister in worst obscene language, because I forgave him.

Whom I ever called name ? I merely said some persons are scoundrels and

some are good-hearted. Everyone knows this truth, for which you are

teaching me lessons in etiquette.

Your words are : " frustration of being rejected or rediculed by others "

is your misconception about me. It was me who rejected worldliness and

became an ascetic, and not the world rejecting me. I belonged to a

powerful political family and my relatives were dejected when I left my

brilliant academic career, having topped both in science and arts

(English literature) to become an ascetic and learn astrology. My works

are accepted by reputed institutions : Click Here.

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