HASTE - GRAHAS Vs, PLanets??ATTN: MR VINAY JHA- evalauation...o

April 9, 2009

Mr. Jha wrote " You are too hasty. "

I trust you are also too hasty to read what I had written- with due respect to

you- you have in my humble opinion not tried to understand the purport of my

mail to you.

Also : the site " http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ " - sugegsted has

INADVERATNT BLANKS- making it incorrect to acccess, is it due to non haste I

wonder sir?

People would accept your sofware more easily if it is in the form as sugegsted,

with more cases proven and that also systematcially.You do not need to tell

people- one publciation would naturally attarct people..and the case is

proven....

As I have some expereince in working and modelling complex systems(inlcudes

basic modelling and statistcial analysis- my apologies, I ma not trying to

falunt - justa FYI..), it is for your help I had been suggesting.

The hit and trail approach you are suggesting(Down laod and check for your self

is error prone,as different asrologers would interprete differently- if you

could expactly give your vewi point for 10 cases, especially for divisional

charts..that would clsoe the matter)...could have alternatives..

I have full regard and respect for what you have doen for VA, but not for your

hasty Judgements....plz.Kindly leave the judgement about myself to me-Thanks.

YES, I agree the PHYSICAL existence of planets could be different from ACTUAL -

as suggested by you, as it is essentially the ASTRAL ENERGIES of the planets we

feel.

Hand it not been the case the MANTRAS fro planets- which deal with ASTRAL

ENERGY..would not have worked...

Let us be CONSTUCTIVE to solve probelms....I have just sugegsted a SCIENTIFIC

PROCESS- which is fair..

Thanks...

Punkajj C Dhar

, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 wrote:

>

> Pankaj ji,

>

> You are too hasty. Either you did not read my message fully, or you did not

even paid a cursory look at the four webpages I gave links of. If four pages are

too much for you, you can look at a single page http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint.

com/page/ Prediction+ of+Death which contains something useful if you really

want to check. If these data do not satisfy you, you must be more explicit in

stating what you really want.

>

> I never blamed anyone for not not using my software. I made a free software

and I put it on internet just three months ago. I never advertised it

commercially, hence the lack of publicity it has. But 950 persons downloaded it

during 3 months. Only a small team a perticular state is after my flesh and

blood, sending me obscene messages and disrupting all my attempts to start any

discussion. Same persons had predicted that I will later sell my software. I

found a website where someone unsuccessfully tried to sell my software :

>

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> -VJ

>

> ________________________________

> Pom <pankajdhar

>

> Thursday, April 9, 2009 6:07:07 PM

> FAIR?? ATTN: MR VINAY JHA- evalauation...of software?Re: C

>

> Dear Mr. Jha- I think I would not agree with your assertions to be anywhere

near fair.( my humble apologies for drawing such a conclusion).

>

> a) You make an assertion- blaming people that they don't want to use your

ephemeris...

>

> b) When asked a very fair and basic data( 10 data points, not thousands...

).....you are not ready..

>

> I think you want people to research on your software..without giving the basic

data which is being asked for...?

>

> There is a scientific process- which needs to be followed, not what I or your

decide on matters....

>

> I am sure with A)10 data points from you( This is the KNOWN dat points- first

one needs to be sure on this..how correct our assertions are), and B)10 or more

random points(once your theory is proven to be correct fro the cases- could it

be generalized for random points, very basic)- atleast it would be

clear..whether one should invest energy in it, why should one invest and where

should one invest.

>

> This is standard procedure... .

>

> I don't think so I would be interested in going the way...

>

> Thanks.

>

> Punkajj

>

> PS: There is an astrolger fairly senior, claimed he could predict

weather....which made me happy and I asked him the same questions..he declined..

>

> Then I went to him with a known case of cancer(which by GOD's garce I was some

how able to isolotae which body part it would be and if it could be cause of

death..but not to 100% exactitude.. .- he just ..could not talk about very basic

things- ..the core reason being most of the " claims " though thought to be ..were

not true...- But I do still respect what he contributed to astrology.

>

> This has no reflection on you or your work- great keep up your spirit...

> Thanks...

>

> , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > If you make a survey of http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/sitemap, you will

find method of using my software in following webpages :

> > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Interpretation+ of+Horoscope+

%3A+Basics

> > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Origin+and+ Meaning+of+ Horoscopic+

Houses

> > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Prediction+ of+Death

> > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Vimshottari+ Dasha

> >

> > Examples of mundane astrology is at :

> > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ World+Economy+ %3A+Apr+2009-

Mar+2010

> >

> > I have extensive material of case studies, but in Hindi.

> > I carried out extensive comaparative studies wrt other softwares, but I do

not want to publish the results because those softwares developers will feel

insulted. I can send my comments on such comparative studies by others.

> >

> > I do not even know whether you have installed my software or not. If you

have not used my software, no amount of proof or argument will ever convince you

of anything in it : a software can be tested only by testing. I can give more

case studies on my website, but my experience is that there are two types of

persons : one who wants me to do all the testing and has no time to read my

results, and the other installs my software and tests it and then discusses with

me.

> >

> > I fully agree with your suggestions on method of testing softwares. But when

I started giving results of such tests at

> > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Prediction+ of+Death

> > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Vimshottari+ Dasha

> > I was told that birthtime of these persons may be doubtful. I can work on

only those horoscopes which belong to celebrities with correct birthtime.

Numerous researches have been done on Hitler and Napoleon, and I work on the

basis of reliable sources only.

> > Mundane astrology is better field for tests, because official data of

national income or rainfall do not lie. are you ready to make a comparative

testing of softwares on the basis of such official and undisputed data ?

> > Good Wishes,

> > -VJ

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Pom <pankajdhar@ ...>

> >

> > Thursday, April 9, 2009 10:44:09 AM

> > ATTN: MR VINAY JHA- evalauation. ..of software?Re: Cardinal

Problems of Vedic

> >

> > Dear Mr. Jha- i did browse through the sites pointed by you.

> >

> > IN nay case- any sincere effort done for VA is praise worthy.

> >

> > Also as exact identification of JYOTISH REMEDY has to close do with the

exact planetary energy whihc is causing problem. So GANITA and PHALITA could

ahve an impact.

> >

> > This si my humble sugegstion to validate your sofware. Though to

sceintficially validate it might take tens and thousands of cases. Let us start

simple.

> >

> > STEP 1:

> > =======

> > Can you collect or present 10 cases with information like.

> >

> > a) What interpretetion one can draw based on some reference ephemeric which

you are contradicting.

> >

> > b) Based on your ephemeris

> >

> > c) Exact description in detail of the vent

> >

> > d) How the difefrence in divsiiosnal chart makes the difference?

> >

> > STEP 2:

> > =======

> >

> > Then we will take RANDOM EVENTS of eney one's life and apply to your

GANITA/epehemiris?

> >

> > I hoep this makes sense? If it does.

> >

> > I will wait fro your inputs on STEP1.

> >

> > I might spend a few minutes to put my views on the forum- so could other

astrologers for the same of growth of VA.

> >

> > Thanks.

> >

> > , " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16@ ...>

wrote:

> > >

> > > @Punkajj C Dhar :

> > > Punkaj Ji,

> > >

> > > a) You can download free Kundalee software from :

> > > http://kundalee. wikidot.com/ start

> > >

> > > For installation method and other articles, scan

> > > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/

> > >

> > > There are many articles and practical examples.

> > >

> > > b)Could I make a software without any theory? But a handful of persons

have decided that my software must be rejected without any test. That is why I

am stressing Practice.

> > >

> > > c)

> > > i) My comments on divisional were same as you got.

> > > ii) " The issue is NOT ONLY WITH CALCULATIONs- but with the INERPRETETIONS

.... " . Yes, but I feel the basic rules of phalita are not questionable. There is

controversy in computations, eg of ayanamsha & c.

> > >

> > > Thanks..

> > > Regards,

> > > -VJ

> > > ============ ======= ============ ========= =

> > > , " Pom " <pankajdhar@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Mr. Jha,

> > > > The points raised by you are pertinent.

> > > >

> > > > A few things before we converge to anything concrete.

> > > >

> > > > a) I could nto locate any thing on the URL's given by you- coudl you

please give

> > > >

> > > > it again?

> > > >

> > > > b) You made an assertion that eventaully it is practsie which makes the

difference.. .no theory-

> > > >

> > > > I MAY NOT AGREE FULLY.

> > > >

> > > > ATOM BOMB basic theory came frist to einsten/Otto hahn..later it was

tested in Hroshima..

> > > >

> > > > Bot have a role to play..

> > > >

> > > > c)

> > > >

> > > > i) Not sure what your commenst of your divisional charts are?

> > > >

> > > > If the changes due to ayamsa are only 1 degree, then in decanate the

impact would be say only on 10 % cases..but may be more on navamsa....

> > > >

> > > > ii) The issue is NOT ONLY WITH CALCULATIONs- but with the INERPRETETIONS

due to complexity of the VA or any other similar system..

> > > >

> > > > d) Anyways....could i have your DATA and INTERPRETETION PLEASE?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks..

> > > >

> > > > REgards,

> > > > Punkajj C Dhar

> > > >

> > > > , " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16@ >

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > vrkrishnan ji,

> > > > > You say " veidc Jyotish is not Ganit Jyotish " . A strange remark !

Ganita and Phalita are inseparable parts of Jyotisha. Famous astrologers like KN

Rao ji and others you name have worked well to popularize phalita jyotisha. Many

people have no doubts about the Ganita portion and regard physical astronomy as

the only true option in the realm of Ganita Jyotisha. You also expressed similar

views. Hence, I conclude that the unanimous decisiopn of four universities in

favour of Suryasiddhanta has no weight for you, you do not want to test their

model ( see the bottom of page : http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/

NASA%27s_ Report%3B_ %26_my_Paper_ accepted_ by_CAOS%2C_ IISc

> > > > > and also see : http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Credentials )

> > > > >

> > > > > I do not want wordy arguments. You do not want to compare two methods,

and are in favour of one, rejecting the other without even testing. You do not

know what you are rejecting.

> > > > > -VJ

> > > > >

> > > > > , vattem krishnan

<bursar_99@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Vinay Ji,

> > > > > > like all arts and sciences,vedic Astrology too has been evolving.In

the process the principles of Vedical Astrology are being tested every by

several scholars at different places.Now veidc Astrology has also made it's own

place in universities at abroad.The subject has grown from veidc times till now

and definetely the credit for this goes to Internet also.

> > > > > > Infact our sages have debated for long and inferred that veidc

Jyotish is not Ganit Jyotish.it is some thing connecetd with the wisdom of

ancient sages to understand seven planets and their cosmic effects on humanity.

> > > > > > The question however relates to credibility of the subject itself

when we think in terms of main problems in vedic Astrology.

> > > > > > Vedic Astrology has made significant strides with the initiative

take late Shri B.V.Raman and others.Infact he has adopted his own way of

calculation even though that might not be agreed upon by others.Indian Council

for Astrology a body created for promoting Astrology teaches students the

concepts of jyotish as conveyed by jaimini,Parashara and Varahmihira. Even they

too have difference in their understanding of vedic jyotish.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What ever may the process adopted,if an Astrologer based on vedic

principles of Astrology is able to analyse and come out with predictions in a

convincing manner,no body would question the apparoch

> > > > > > .Indirectly it is we humans would like to see the calculations as

2+2=4.It is here probably we are getting into issue which has not so much

relevance to traditional and conventional principles of jyotish.

> > > > > > Accuracy and a generaised approach as in scientic methods is the

expectation of many people to keep their trust in Astrology as a predictive tool

and unfold about future.

> > > > > > Secondly,we want the vast knowledge embedded in vedic sciences into

a progarammable language so that it's availability and applicationbecomes more

wider.In the process the astronomical factors relating to the movements of the

planets and their precison assumes greater significance to come out universal

data that can convince not only modern jyotishsis but also siddhantis and

pundits who have studied the nature and set up astronomical parks to measure the

movements of planets.

> > > > > > Infact in most of the sanskrit universities sevaral jantarmanatr

type parks have also been created.but their usage and to make the traditional

subject on scientific lines has not evinced interest.

> > > > > > A jyotishi/siddhanti/ Pandit in his own way has vision to unravet

the mysteries of planets.Even today Phalit jyotish courses being conducted in

snaskrit universities has wide acceptability.

> > > > > > problem however lies for us as internet users.we donot want to go

back to old days and make janampatris in ghatis and work out on the bais of

vimshottari dasa.

> > > > > > we have adopted to the use of computers andnever questioned it's

wisdom.Even BV Raman or for that Shri K.n.Rao of modern times have their own

approaches beleived them and use them with the aid of computer.But what matters

really are predictive abilities

> > > > > > Thirdly do we really want to see the Vedic Astrology principles

getting simplified and made into programmable languages for the status of Vedic

Astrology to be elevated as a real science.

> > > > > > Finally I believe in Vedic principles of Vedic Astrology and the

cosmic effects these planet exert on human endeavours.Non beleievers always have

their point of arguments to say that why two astrologers hand over two different

predictions.

> > > > > > Perhaps,usage of Internet or no Internet must be kept separate and

the subject of Vedic Astrology need to be conceptualised. it is here we need

long years of study,experience and intiative to study the charts to find the

problems of the native and help him.So it is not that we transgressing from good

olden concepts but trying to improve our predictive abilities so that jyotish as

an ancient wisdom is useful to the human being in his daily chores.

> > > > > > " Practical testing is the only proper way. " we all do this either

with or without the help of Internet.Might be in some occassion we give room for

others to find differences among us

> > > > > > It is true that " They have mastered the ancient methods more than

socalled experts of indology in the West.'

> > > > > > we hats off to them for the ceaseless effort and pursuit to unravel

the wisdom conatained in sastras

> > > > > > Absolutely forgetting about the ways in which the vedic Jyotish is

understood and various ways of inferences,we still hold high esteem to " Vedic

Astrology is a traditional discipline and voice of traditional pandits must be

listened. "

> > > > > > This is where I think we have no qualms as we have interest to

listen Sanskrit scholars as they have really made effort to simplify the ancient

wisdom and helping others to publish books and materials.

> > > > > > This what Shri K.N.Rao and others are continuing their efforts.Even

Prof Pandy,Prof Nagar and Prof Tripathy Ji of sanskrit universities ahve lot of

followers and even today's media remebers them as and when their role arises in

clarifying complicated issues.

> > > > > > vrkrishnan

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- On Mon, 4/6/09, vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16@ >

> > > > > > Main Problems of Vedic Astrology

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Monday, April 6, 2009, 11:46 AM

> > > > > >

> > > > > > To All :-

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As I gather from remarks made by users of various internet forums

and experiments made by astrological software makers, the most important problem

faced by Vedic astrologers is that of Ayanamsha. All other problems of

mathematical portion of astrology seems to have been finally resolved by modern

physical scientists. Since the basic rules of phalita (predictive) astrology

have not been questioned by almost all Vedic astrologers, does it mean barring

ayanamsha there is no real problem in vedic astrology today ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > But is it really so ? There are softwares in the market today which

give the user an opportunity to chose or put in any value of ayanamsha.

Currently, various values of ayanamsha range from over 22 to 24 degrees

approximately. With all possible values of ayanamsha already having been

experimented with, has the problem of a foolproof software been solved ? If any

astrologer feels he/she already has perfect softwares and barring a slight

readjustment of ayanamsha there is nothing to be experimented with, he/she need

not read my messages, because it will lead to useless fuss. But if anyone feels

even with all types of ayanamshas and all types of softwares, accurate

prediction is never guaranteed and much remains to be done, they must read this

thread.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Astrologers are human beings, and to err is human. I have also erred

on many occassions. It is difficult to take into account all charts together

with their due weightage. There were numerous occassions when with all sorts of

interpretations I could not get satisfactory explanations of real life events.

After decades of research, I found out that most of our current problems are

rooted in our departure from ancient principles, which can be summed up in

following points :

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1) Suryasiddhantic ayanamsha gives accurate results. BV Raman

adopted Suryasiddhantic ayanamsha, but for the present era he added modern rate

of annual precession. Hence his ayanamsha is a hybrid one, very near to

Suryasiddhantic one. Yukteshwar ayanamsha is also Suryasiddhantic, with

negligible difference.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2) Vimshottari year of 360 days ought to be lunar, based 360 lunar

days (tithis). Vimshottari is made from Moon. Chhaandogya Upanishada says full

life is of 116 years. 120 lunar years are equal to 116.4 solar years. leave

aside these arguments, perfect timing of events has found to be achieved with

lunar year used for Vimshottari. Many other software developers had also

experimented with this option ; I am not the first. But they did not carry out

the third reform given below.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 3) Suryasiddhantic true planets have slight difference from the true

planets of modern physical astronomy, ranging from half to over a degree. This

difference was minimum in 2000 AD and has again started rising, at the rate of

one degree in nearly 117 years.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If these three adjustments are made into modern astrological

softwares, perfect Vimshottari will be achieved. Some other softwares have

options for lunar year for Vimshottari, and they also have optons for adding or

substracting offset to ayanamsha. Had it contained similar offsets for true

planets and lagna, it would have saved me years which I wasted in developing

Kundalee software.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Only third of the above three points needs some clarification,

because the first two points have already been adopted in many famous vedic

softwares. Some people say Suryasiddhanta is an outdated text and there is no

need to experiment with it. They know majority of Indian panchangas are still

made from tables based on Suryasiddhanta either directly or indirectly. Hence,

majority of traditional vedic astrologers make horoscopes from Suryasiddhanta

either knowingly or unknowingly. Many of them have made comparative studies of

horoscopes made from traditional system with horoscopes made from softwares, and

a large number of these traditional astrologers declare that Suryasiddhantic

horoscopes are far nearer to real life events that horoscopes based on modern

astronomy. That is why astrologers of many states of India , led by four

Sanskrit universities, unanimously decided in 2005 at a conference in Varanasi

that all panchangas ought to be made on

> > the basis

> > > > > > of Suryasiddhanta. Unfortunately, voice of this traditional India

is not duly represented on the internet because most Sanskrit pandits have

little or no experience of computers and internet. That is why some computerized

astrologers think the voice of traditional Indian astrology must be forcibly

suppressed because this " anachronistic " voice is against modernization.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The whole problem is of just half to little over one degree of

offset in positions of true planets, which will make all divisional charts

absolutely accurate for all natives whose birthtime is accurate. Moreover,

traditional predictive rules work in perfect harmony with Suryasiddhantic

computations.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > One method of test is analysis of horoscopes for seeing the

operation of rules of death prediction ( http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/

Prediction+ of+Death ).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Another method is analysis of horoscopes for examining Vimshottari

timings of events. One example is displayed at http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint.

com/page/ Vimshottari+ Dasha under title Vimshottari Timings for Planets of

Mixed Attributes

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Third method is mundane astrology. One example is forecasting world

economy ( http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ World+Economy+ %3A+Apr+2009-

Mar+2010 ) ; another example is

> > > > > > Economic Future of India : mid-Apr 2009 to mid-Apr 2010 in the same

page ; third example is rain forecast (http://weatherindia .wetpaint. com/page/

2007%3AAnnual+ Rain+Forecast+ (from+Apr) +for+ South+Asia) .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Third method, ie, of mundane astrology, is easiest for ascertaing

whether Suryasiddhantic or physical-astronomic al planets ought to be used for

making horoscopes, because horoscopes made at Samkraantis has a difference of

6-7 raashis due to over half a degree difference in Suryasiddhantic Surya and

modern asteronomical Sun. Such a great difference in horoscopes will make it

easier to see which conforms more to real events.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is useless to solve this problem merely by word duel which will

lead us to nowhere. Historical or logical debates will not help. Practical

testing is the only proper way. It is foolish to crush the voice of a great body

of traditional India just because it has no presence on internet. All these

pandits of Sanskrit universities are not fools or thugs. They have mastered the

ancient methods more than socalled experts of indology in the West. Vedic

Astrology is a traditional discipline and voice of traditional pandits must be

listened.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am calling for free and fair comparison of both methods, without

personal attacks. Those who are not interested in examining the validity of

traditional scholarship may keep away.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > ============ == ===========

> > > > > >

April 10, 2009

Dear Pankaj ji,

We can all collectively presume that Mr. Vinay Jha is simply wasting our time

and has nothing important to say to us!

Why do we all or most of us THEN keep responding to him??

Evolution right from the ibtedaa to intehaa has been very simple really!

Stimulus followed by response!

Not all stimulii had ended up in growth but it is the nature of the 'beast' to

respond when a stimulus is presented or simply comes along! A living being must

respond!!

Once in a while I pet-sit a very wonderful kitten named Jade. She is one HUGE

actress! My most beloved DRAMA QUEEN! She puts many humans to shame! She

pretends to be the PRIMA DONNA TIGRESS! And she does bite at times, first

gingerly then harder! And yet, there have been times when she can SENSE that her

human playmate/caregiver is a bit down and then she goes through the very same

agressive motions but her claws are withdrawn completely and her tongue replaces

her sharp teeth! WHO taught her to be so sensitive??

If an orphan kitten without any extemsive learning or training can manage to do

that out of love -- I suppose, why can human beings with their lofty heights and

big words and accomplishments -- NOT?

, " Pom " <pankajdhar wrote:

>

> Mr. Jha wrote " You are too hasty. "

>

> I trust you are also too hasty to read what I had written- with due respect to

you- you have in my humble opinion not tried to understand the purport of my

mail to you.

>

> Also : the site " http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ " - sugegsted has

INADVERATNT BLANKS- making it incorrect to acccess, is it due to non haste I

wonder sir?

>

> People would accept your sofware more easily if it is in the form as

sugegsted, with more cases proven and that also systematcially.You do not need

to tell people- one publciation would naturally attarct people..and the case is

proven....

>

> As I have some expereince in working and modelling complex systems(inlcudes

basic modelling and statistcial analysis- my apologies, I ma not trying to

falunt - justa FYI..), it is for your help I had been suggesting.

>

> The hit and trail approach you are suggesting(Down laod and check for your

self is error prone,as different asrologers would interprete differently- if you

could expactly give your vewi point for 10 cases, especially for divisional

charts..that would clsoe the matter)...could have alternatives..

>

> I have full regard and respect for what you have doen for VA, but not for your

hasty Judgements....plz.Kindly leave the judgement about myself to me-Thanks.

>

> YES, I agree the PHYSICAL existence of planets could be different from ACTUAL

- as suggested by you, as it is essentially the ASTRAL ENERGIES of the planets

we feel.

>

> Hand it not been the case the MANTRAS fro planets- which deal with ASTRAL

ENERGY..would not have worked...

>

> Let us be CONSTUCTIVE to solve probelms....I have just sugegsted a SCIENTIFIC

PROCESS- which is fair..

>

> Thanks...

>

> Punkajj C Dhar

>

> , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@> wrote:

> >

> > Pankaj ji,

> >

> > You are too hasty. Either you did not read my message fully, or you did not

even paid a cursory look at the four webpages I gave links of. If four pages are

too much for you, you can look at a single page http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint.

com/page/ Prediction+ of+Death which contains something useful if you really

want to check. If these data do not satisfy you, you must be more explicit in

stating what you really want.

> >

> > I never blamed anyone for not not using my software. I made a free software

and I put it on internet just three months ago. I never advertised it

commercially, hence the lack of publicity it has. But 950 persons downloaded it

during 3 months. Only a small team a perticular state is after my flesh and

blood, sending me obscene messages and disrupting all my attempts to start any

discussion. Same persons had predicted that I will later sell my software. I

found a website where someone unsuccessfully tried to sell my software :

> >

> > Download kundalee free software - Downloads Free - kundalee ... - 4 visits -

4 Aprkundalee free. kundalee search. Buy kundalee. Collection of free software

download, free game download and desktop stuff, including themes, wallpapers and

....

> > www.10001downloads.com/s/kundalee.html - 33k - Cached - Similar pages -

> >

> > -VJ

> >

> > ________________________________

> > Pom <pankajdhar@>

> >

> > Thursday, April 9, 2009 6:07:07 PM

> > FAIR?? ATTN: MR VINAY JHA- evalauation...of software?Re: C

> >

> > Dear Mr. Jha- I think I would not agree with your assertions to be anywhere

near fair.( my humble apologies for drawing such a conclusion).

> >

> > a) You make an assertion- blaming people that they don't want to use your

ephemeris...

> >

> > b) When asked a very fair and basic data( 10 data points, not thousands...

).....you are not ready..

> >

> > I think you want people to research on your software..without giving the

basic data which is being asked for...?

> >

> > There is a scientific process- which needs to be followed, not what I or

your decide on matters....

> >

> > I am sure with A)10 data points from you( This is the KNOWN dat points-

first one needs to be sure on this..how correct our assertions are), and B)10 or

more random points(once your theory is proven to be correct fro the cases- could

it be generalized for random points, very basic)- atleast it would be

clear..whether one should invest energy in it, why should one invest and where

should one invest.

> >

> > This is standard procedure... .

> >

> > I don't think so I would be interested in going the way...

> >

> > Thanks.

> >

> > Punkajj

> >

> > PS: There is an astrolger fairly senior, claimed he could predict

weather....which made me happy and I asked him the same questions..he declined..

> >

> > Then I went to him with a known case of cancer(which by GOD's garce I was

some how able to isolotae which body part it would be and if it could be cause

of death..but not to 100% exactitude.. .- he just ..could not talk about very

basic things- ..the core reason being most of the " claims " though thought to be

...were not true...- But I do still respect what he contributed to astrology.

> >

> > This has no reflection on you or your work- great keep up your spirit...

> > Thanks...

> >

> > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...>

wrote:

> > >

> > > If you make a survey of http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/sitemap, you

will find method of using my software in following webpages :

> > > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Interpretation+ of+Horoscope+

%3A+Basics

> > > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Origin+and+ Meaning+of+

Horoscopic+ Houses

> > > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Prediction+ of+Death

> > > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Vimshottari+ Dasha

> > >

> > > Examples of mundane astrology is at :

> > > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ World+Economy+ %3A+Apr+2009-

Mar+2010

> > >

> > > I have extensive material of case studies, but in Hindi.

> > > I carried out extensive comaparative studies wrt other softwares, but I do

not want to publish the results because those softwares developers will feel

insulted. I can send my comments on such comparative studies by others.

> > >

> > > I do not even know whether you have installed my software or not. If you

have not used my software, no amount of proof or argument will ever convince you

of anything in it : a software can be tested only by testing. I can give more

case studies on my website, but my experience is that there are two types of

persons : one who wants me to do all the testing and has no time to read my

results, and the other installs my software and tests it and then discusses with

me.

> > >

> > > I fully agree with your suggestions on method of testing softwares. But

when I started giving results of such tests at

> > > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Prediction+ of+Death

> > > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Vimshottari+ Dasha

> > > I was told that birthtime of these persons may be doubtful. I can work on

only those horoscopes which belong to celebrities with correct birthtime.

Numerous researches have been done on Hitler and Napoleon, and I work on the

basis of reliable sources only.

> > > Mundane astrology is better field for tests, because official data of

national income or rainfall do not lie. are you ready to make a comparative

testing of softwares on the basis of such official and undisputed data ?

> > > Good Wishes,

> > > -VJ

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > Pom <pankajdhar@ ...>

> > >

> > > Thursday, April 9, 2009 10:44:09 AM

> > > ATTN: MR VINAY JHA- evalauation. ..of software?Re: Cardinal

Problems of Vedic

> > >

> > > Dear Mr. Jha- i did browse through the sites pointed by you.

> > >

> > > IN nay case- any sincere effort done for VA is praise worthy.

> > >

> > > Also as exact identification of JYOTISH REMEDY has to close do with the

exact planetary energy whihc is causing problem. So GANITA and PHALITA could

ahve an impact.

> > >

> > > This si my humble sugegstion to validate your sofware. Though to

sceintficially validate it might take tens and thousands of cases. Let us start

simple.

> > >

> > > STEP 1:

> > > =======

> > > Can you collect or present 10 cases with information like.

> > >

> > > a) What interpretetion one can draw based on some reference ephemeric

which you are contradicting.

> > >

> > > b) Based on your ephemeris

> > >

> > > c) Exact description in detail of the vent

> > >

> > > d) How the difefrence in divsiiosnal chart makes the difference?

> > >

> > > STEP 2:

> > > =======

> > >

> > > Then we will take RANDOM EVENTS of eney one's life and apply to your

GANITA/epehemiris?

> > >

> > > I hoep this makes sense? If it does.

> > >

> > > I will wait fro your inputs on STEP1.

> > >

> > > I might spend a few minutes to put my views on the forum- so could other

astrologers for the same of growth of VA.

> > >

> > > Thanks.

> > >

> > > , " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16@

....> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > @Punkajj C Dhar :

> > > > Punkaj Ji,

> > > >

> > > > a) You can download free Kundalee software from :

> > > > http://kundalee. wikidot.com/ start

> > > >

> > > > For installation method and other articles, scan

> > > > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/

> > > >

> > > > There are many articles and practical examples.

> > > >

> > > > b)Could I make a software without any theory? But a handful of persons

have decided that my software must be rejected without any test. That is why I

am stressing Practice.

> > > >

> > > > c)

> > > > i) My comments on divisional were same as you got.

> > > > ii) " The issue is NOT ONLY WITH CALCULATIONs- but with the

INERPRETETIONS ... " . Yes, but I feel the basic rules of phalita are not

questionable. There is controversy in computations, eg of ayanamsha & c.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks..

> > > > Regards,

> > > > -VJ

> > > > ============ ======= ============ ========= =

> > > > , " Pom " <pankajdhar@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Mr. Jha,

> > > > > The points raised by you are pertinent.

> > > > >

> > > > > A few things before we converge to anything concrete.

> > > > >

> > > > > a) I could nto locate any thing on the URL's given by you- coudl you

please give

> > > > >

> > > > > it again?

> > > > >

> > > > > b) You made an assertion that eventaully it is practsie which makes

the difference.. .no theory-

> > > > >

> > > > > I MAY NOT AGREE FULLY.

> > > > >

> > > > > ATOM BOMB basic theory came frist to einsten/Otto hahn..later it was

tested in Hroshima..

> > > > >

> > > > > Bot have a role to play..

> > > > >

> > > > > c)

> > > > >

> > > > > i) Not sure what your commenst of your divisional charts are?

> > > > >

> > > > > If the changes due to ayamsa are only 1 degree, then in decanate the

impact would be say only on 10 % cases..but may be more on navamsa....

> > > > >

> > > > > ii) The issue is NOT ONLY WITH CALCULATIONs- but with the

INERPRETETIONS due to complexity of the VA or any other similar system..

> > > > >

> > > > > d) Anyways....could i have your DATA and INTERPRETETION PLEASE?

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks..

> > > > >

> > > > > REgards,

> > > > > Punkajj C Dhar

> > > > >

> > > > > , " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16@

> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vrkrishnan ji,

> > > > > > You say " veidc Jyotish is not Ganit Jyotish " . A strange remark !