Guest guest Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 Seriously following jyotish since the 60's I recall KSY being discussed right from my early contact with astrology. Even in 70's many articles appeared in hindi jyotish magazines and in A.M. from Bangalore when it was at its acme of performance and quality. Over the years though it seems to have taken on an ominous character partly due to the ease with which opinions and remedies are prescribed in the faster internet era and that is what concerns many serious astrologers. The potential damage that such unrestricted, and often strongly worded opinions get tossed around without the peer-review that older writings offered and that is still available when a hard-copy magazine publishes an article. Now, mind you, not all printed magazines may do that but hardly any electronic magazine does that. Even in fora there are three levels of exchanges on any topic: Very rarely DEBATE which involves non-emotional factual exchange with examples etc and done in a scholarly manner. Most difficult because of paucity of available time and scholarship too. More frequently DISCUSSION which may have varying levels even within a thread and can contain elements of a DEBATE but tend to suffer from PREMATURE ENUCLEATION! Then there are the FAITH statements: Claims and opinions based on one's anecdotal experience without details, statements and claims from Gurus and Scholars, the take it or leave it kind of exchanges which generally arouse emotions and close doors for (1) or even (2) to happen and generally dissipate into animosity and what I call rocking chair phenomena. There seems to be a lot of movement but the participants do not seem to go anywhere or move ahead in the discussion! I do not necessarily believe that it is the fault of the participants because some if not all have demonstrated their capabilities to perform in the level (1) and certainly level (2) over the years but a few of these may at times tend to travel down to level (3) as well. While I am on the soap-box, may I remind people that people often confuse between passion and short-fuse emotionality. (1) and even (2) can effectively take place when both parties are willing to listen and communicate and do not already know the answer and the TRUTH! No one can climb that MERU to reach such a guy sitting on the pinnacle even if we try to climb with ice-picks in hand and spiked boots as used by those climbing Mt. Everest! RR , vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > KSY is one such topic that hardly convinces many people.It is not that in the past this was ignored or modern astrologers emphasised it.If identity of minds is the name for unity and the diversity we find is opinions it should not be a problem.After all no two opinions can not be identical.let the group endure and let us love diversity but not unity for the sake of assessing strength of Astrology and blame in turn > vrkrishnan > <rest of the thread not relevant to this discussion truncated> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 A bit of clarification! When I wrote, " ...Over the years though it seems to have taken on an ominous character ... " I was not referring to A.M. as could be hastily interpreted, but I meant general dissemination of information and the speed etc with which thoughts and opinions can be expressed in this Kalki Awataar's Machinery known as Internet! RR , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan wrote: > > Seriously following jyotish since the 60's I recall KSY being discussed > right from my early contact with astrology. Even in 70's many articles > appeared in hindi jyotish magazines and in A.M. from Bangalore when it > was at its acme of performance and quality. Over the years though it > seems to have taken on an ominous character partly due to the ease with > which opinions and remedies are prescribed in the faster internet era > and that is what concerns many serious astrologers. The potential > damage that such unrestricted, and often strongly worded opinions get > tossed around without the peer-review that older writings offered and > that is still available when a hard-copy magazine publishes an article. > Now, mind you, not all printed magazines may do that but hardly any > electronic magazine does that. > > Even in fora there are three levels of exchanges on any topic: > > Very rarely DEBATE which involves non-emotional factual exchange with > examples etc and done in a scholarly manner. Most difficult because of > paucity of available time and scholarship too. > > More frequently DISCUSSION which may have varying levels even within a > thread and can contain elements of a DEBATE but tend to suffer from > PREMATURE ENUCLEATION! > > Then there are the FAITH statements: Claims and opinions based on one's > anecdotal experience without details, statements and claims from Gurus > and Scholars, the take it or leave it kind of exchanges which generally > arouse emotions and close doors for (1) or even (2) to happen and > generally dissipate into animosity and what I call rocking chair > phenomena. There seems to be a lot of movement but the participants do > not seem to go anywhere or move ahead in the discussion! > > I do not necessarily believe that it is the fault of the participants > because some if not all have demonstrated their capabilities to perform > in the level (1) and certainly level (2) over the years but a few of > these may at times tend to travel down to level (3) as well. > > While I am on the soap-box, may I remind people that people often > confuse between passion and short-fuse emotionality. > > (1) and even (2) can effectively take place when both parties are > willing to listen and communicate and do not already know the answer > and the TRUTH! No one can climb that MERU to reach such a guy sitting > on the pinnacle even if we try to climb with ice-picks in hand and > spiked boots as used by those climbing Mt. Everest! > > RR , vattem krishnan > <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > KSY is one such topic that hardly convinces many people.It is not > that in the past this was ignored or modern astrologers emphasised > it.If identity of minds is the name for unity and the diversity we find > is opinions it should not be a problem.After all no two opinions can > not be identical.let the group endure and let us love diversity but not > unity for the sake of assessing strength of Astrology and blame in turn > > vrkrishnan > > > > <rest of the thread not relevant to this discussion truncated> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 Dear dada, Astrology continued to be the same as it was in Classics,the emphsis with progressive levels changing understanding too has been changing leading to modernisation.Even in my younger days say mid seventies when I was near to kolkatta I was thretened of the consequences of KSY in my horoscope as my 5th house from moon was under the spell.Then there was need for me to seek astral remedies and study the intricate subject and yogas. After several years of study and practice vedic Knowledge ,following remedial approaches,beleieving saints and sages and their wisdom,jyotish was to be digested.it has now (kalki awatar) become a media's panacea and the haste post approaches of problems and solving methods.This resulted in categorisation of Astrologers as well as needy people.Those knowing the subject get dismayed at the velocity of the growth of Astrology and the changes in understanding of the subject creeping from classical level.Today Astrologer has to look different if he has to encah his knowledge.Saints of yester years too have been also understood in a different way with rmedial stones for all five fingers with prominent rudraksha malas adoring them. Interpretation of various house based on once needs too has been transforming as several people wants to migrate foreign lands to make living and keep their children prosperous at home. Infact in ICAS and with my Guru late Shri BVR and Shri KN Rao,I could only understand how all 12 houses and 9 planets harmonise once struggle and existence irrespective once ambitions in life and struggle for it.In the modern time concept 24 hours is too short for any thing.So the Astrology given a complicated understanding in Classicals to day got modernised with more pronouncements on remdial approaches so as to get satisfied with continuity with diverse approaches . Let's therefore assimilate the modernisation with due regard to Classical prononcements.may be we express our views and opinions in our ways and give an impressions of diversity.I do not think our unity in giving regard to the Vedic Astrology has changed from then to now vrkrishnan --- On Tue, 2/24/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote: Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan Re: General Comments Tuesday, February 24, 2009, 7:18 PM A bit of clarification! When I wrote, " ...Over the years though it seems to have taken on an ominous character ... " I was not referring to A.M. as could be hastily interpreted, but I meant general dissemination of information and the speed etc with which thoughts and opinions can be expressed in this Kalki Awataar's Machinery known as Internet! RR , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote: > > Seriously following jyotish since the 60's I recall KSY being discussed > right from my early contact with astrology. Even in 70's many articles > appeared in hindi jyotish magazines and in A.M. from Bangalore when it > was at its acme of performance and quality. Over the years though it > seems to have taken on an ominous character partly due to the ease with > which opinions and remedies are prescribed in the faster internet era > and that is what concerns many serious astrologers. The potential > damage that such unrestricted, and often strongly worded opinions get > tossed around without the peer-review that older writings offered and > that is still available when a hard-copy magazine publishes an article. > Now, mind you, not all printed magazines may do that but hardly any > electronic magazine does that. > > Even in fora there are three levels of exchanges on any topic: > > Very rarely DEBATE which involves non-emotional factual exchange with > examples etc and done in a scholarly manner. Most difficult because of > paucity of available time and scholarship too. > > More frequently DISCUSSION which may have varying levels even within a > thread and can contain elements of a DEBATE but tend to suffer from > PREMATURE ENUCLEATION! > > Then there are the FAITH statements: Claims and opinions based on one's > anecdotal experience without details, statements and claims from Gurus > and Scholars, the take it or leave it kind of exchanges which generally > arouse emotions and close doors for (1) or even (2) to happen and > generally dissipate into animosity and what I call rocking chair > phenomena. There seems to be a lot of movement but the participants do > not seem to go anywhere or move ahead in the discussion! > > I do not necessarily believe that it is the fault of the participants > because some if not all have demonstrated their capabilities to perform > in the level (1) and certainly level (2) over the years but a few of > these may at times tend to travel down to level (3) as well. > > While I am on the soap-box, may I remind people that people often > confuse between passion and short-fuse emotionality. > > (1) and even (2) can effectively take place when both parties are > willing to listen and communicate and do not already know the answer > and the TRUTH! No one can climb that MERU to reach such a guy sitting > on the pinnacle even if we try to climb with ice-picks in hand and > spiked boots as used by those climbing Mt. Everest! > > RR , vattem krishnan > <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > KSY is one such topic that hardly convinces many people.It is not > that in the past this was ignored or modern astrologers emphasised > it.If identity of minds is the name for unity and the diversity we find > is opinions it should not be a problem.After all no two opinions can > not be identical.let the group endure and let us love diversity but not > unity for the sake of assessing strength of Astrology and blame in turn > > vrkrishnan > > > > <rest of the thread not relevant to this discussion truncated> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 Let's permit to have divesity without effecting the unity of strength that the concept of vedic jyotish has got.KSY,Mangalic dosha,kendradhipathi dosha have definete meaning and implication by the position of planets and house they occupy.wish should be to go over the Meru and accessories necessary for reaching destination and more will power determination are too neede.with planned efforts modern Astrology too is not very far off classical concepts of vedic jyotish vrkrishnan --- On Tue, 2/24/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote: Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan General Comments Tuesday, February 24, 2009, 7:04 PM Seriously following jyotish since the 60's I recall KSY being discussed right from my early contact with astrology. Even in 70's many articles appeared in hindi jyotish magazines and in A.M. from Bangalore when it was at its acme of performance and quality. Over the years though it seems to have taken on an ominous character partly due to the ease with which opinions and remedies are prescribed in the faster internet era and that is what concerns many serious astrologers. The potential damage that such unrestricted, and often strongly worded opinions get tossed around without the peer-review that older writings offered and that is still available when a hard-copy magazine publishes an article. Now, mind you, not all printed magazines may do that but hardly any electronic magazine does that. Even in fora there are three levels of exchanges on any topic: Very rarely DEBATE which involves non-emotional factual exchange with examples etc and done in a scholarly manner. Most difficult because of paucity of available time and scholarship too. More frequently DISCUSSION which may have varying levels even within a thread and can contain elements of a DEBATE but tend to suffer from PREMATURE ENUCLEATION! Then there are the FAITH statements: Claims and opinions based on one's anecdotal experience without details, statements and claims from Gurus and Scholars, the take it or leave it kind of exchanges which generally arouse emotions and close doors for (1) or even (2) to happen and generally dissipate into animosity and what I call rocking chair phenomena. There seems to be a lot of movement but the participants do not seem to go anywhere or move ahead in the discussion! I do not necessarily believe that it is the fault of the participants because some if not all have demonstrated their capabilities to perform in the level (1) and certainly level (2) over the years but a few of these may at times tend to travel down to level (3) as well. While I am on the soap-box, may I remind people that people often confuse between passion and short-fuse emotionality. (1) and even (2) can effectively take place when both parties are willing to listen and communicate and do not already know the answer and the TRUTH! No one can climb that MERU to reach such a guy sitting on the pinnacle even if we try to climb with ice-picks in hand and spiked boots as used by those climbing Mt. Everest! RR , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@. ..> wrote: > > KSY is one such topic that hardly convinces many people.It is not that in the past this was ignored or modern astrologers emphasised it.If identity of minds is the name for unity and the diversity we find is opinions it should not be a problem.After all no two opinions can not be identical.let the group endure and let us love diversity but not unity for the sake of assessing strength of Astrology and blame in turn > vrkrishnan > <rest of the thread not relevant to this discussion truncated> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 Krishnan ji [dada], I have never believed in the true intent of jyotish limited to being " classic " or 'ancient'. Hopefully before the LYNCH MOB arrives to decapitate me let me whisper quietly: 'I kind of always felt that it was EVERGREEN and SHASWAT and for the here and now!' No mausoleums for HER in other words and no looking back as sadly many teachers still insist! Her words may be arcane and the syntax archaic, but the best part of a hard coconut is when you get your teeth beyond the harsh and coarse fibers and shells and manage to reach the soft interior where the nourishment and the beauty of TRUTH exists ... , vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > Dear dada, > Astrology continued to be the same as it was in Classics,the emphsis with progressive levels changing understanding too has been changing leading to modernisation.Even in my younger days say mid seventies when I was near to kolkatta I was thretened of the consequences of KSY in my horoscope as my 5th house from moon was under the spell.Then there was need for me to seek astral remedies and study the intricate subject and yogas. > After several years of study and practice vedic Knowledge ,following remedial approaches,beleieving saints and sages and their wisdom,jyotish was to be digested.it has now (kalki awatar) become a media's panacea and the haste post approaches of problems and solving methods.This resulted in categorisation of Astrologers as well as needy people.Those knowing the subject get dismayed at the velocity of the growth of Astrology and the changes in understanding of the subject creeping from classical level.Today Astrologer has to look different if he has to encah his knowledge.Saints of yester years too have been also understood in a different way with rmedial stones for all five fingers with prominent rudraksha malas adoring them. > Interpretation of various house based on once needs too has been transforming as several people wants to migrate foreign lands to make living and keep their children prosperous at home. > Infact in ICAS and with my Guru late Shri BVR and Shri KN Rao,I could only understand how all 12 houses and 9 planets harmonise once struggle and existence irrespective once ambitions in life and struggle for it.In the modern time concept 24 hours is too short for any thing.So the Astrology given a complicated understanding in Classicals to day got modernised with more pronouncements on remdial approaches so as to get satisfied with continuity with diverse approaches . > Let's therefore assimilate the modernisation with due regard to Classical prononcements.may be we express our views and opinions in our ways and give an impressions of diversity.I do not think our unity in giving regard to the Vedic Astrology has changed from then to now > vrkrishnan > > --- On Tue, 2/24/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote: > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan > Re: General Comments > > Tuesday, February 24, 2009, 7:18 PM A bit of clarification! When I wrote, " ...Over the years though it > seems to have taken on an ominous character ... " I was not referring > to A.M. as could be hastily interpreted, but I meant general > dissemination of information and the speed etc with which thoughts > and opinions can be expressed in this Kalki Awataar's Machinery known > as Internet! > > RR > > , " Rohiniranjan " > <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote: > > > > Seriously following jyotish since the 60's I recall KSY being > discussed > > right from my early contact with astrology. Even in 70's many > articles > > appeared in hindi jyotish magazines and in A.M. from Bangalore when > it > > was at its acme of performance and quality. Over the years though > it > > seems to have taken on an ominous character partly due to the ease > with > > which opinions and remedies are prescribed in the faster internet > era > > and that is what concerns many serious astrologers. The potential > > damage that such unrestricted, and often strongly worded opinions > get > > tossed around without the peer-review that older writings offered > and > > that is still available when a hard-copy magazine publishes an > article. > > Now, mind you, not all printed magazines may do that but hardly any > > electronic magazine does that. > > > > Even in fora there are three levels of exchanges on any topic: > > > > Very rarely DEBATE which involves non-emotional factual exchange > with > > examples etc and done in a scholarly manner. Most difficult because > of > > paucity of available time and scholarship too. > > > > More frequently DISCUSSION which may have varying levels even > within a > > thread and can contain elements of a DEBATE but tend to suffer from > > PREMATURE ENUCLEATION! > > > > Then there are the FAITH statements: Claims and opinions based on > one's > > anecdotal experience without details, statements and claims from > Gurus > > and Scholars, the take it or leave it kind of exchanges which > generally > > arouse emotions and close doors for (1) or even (2) to happen and > > generally dissipate into animosity and what I call rocking chair > > phenomena. There seems to be a lot of movement but the participants > do > > not seem to go anywhere or move ahead in the discussion! > > > > I do not necessarily believe that it is the fault of the > participants > > because some if not all have demonstrated their capabilities to > perform > > in the level (1) and certainly level (2) over the years but a few > of > > these may at times tend to travel down to level (3) as well. > > > > While I am on the soap-box, may I remind people that people often > > confuse between passion and short-fuse emotionality. > > > > (1) and even (2) can effectively take place when both parties are > > willing to listen and communicate and do not already know the > answer > > and the TRUTH! No one can climb that MERU to reach such a guy > sitting > > on the pinnacle even if we try to climb with ice-picks in hand and > > spiked boots as used by those climbing Mt. Everest! > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , vattem krishnan > > <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > > > KSY is one such topic that hardly convinces many people.It is not > > that in the past this was ignored or modern astrologers emphasised > > it.If identity of minds is the name for unity and the diversity we > find > > is opinions it should not be a problem.After all no two opinions > can > > not be identical.let the group endure and let us love diversity but > not > > unity for the sake of assessing strength of Astrology and blame in > turn > > > vrkrishnan > > > > > > > <rest of the thread not relevant to this discussion truncated> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 Are we misunderstanding the concepts of jyotish when put through Kalki avatar of jyotish.Absolutely you are right and hats off.why all this noise about unity in deversity etc?The real truth is in one's efforts and understanding of the subject. vrkrishnan --- On Tue, 2/24/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote: Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan Re: General Comments Tuesday, February 24, 2009, 9:43 PM Krishnan ji [dada], I have never believed in the true intent of jyotish limited to being " classic " or 'ancient'. Hopefully before the LYNCH MOB arrives to decapitate me let me whisper quietly: 'I kind of always felt that it was EVERGREEN and SHASWAT and for the here and now!' No mausoleums for HER in other words and no looking back as sadly many teachers still insist! Her words may be arcane and the syntax archaic, but the best part of a hard coconut is when you get your teeth beyond the harsh and coarse fibers and shells and manage to reach the soft interior where the nourishment and the beauty of TRUTH exists ... , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@. ..> wrote: > > Dear dada, > Astrology continued to be the same as it was in Classics,the emphsis with progressive levels changing understanding too has been changing leading to modernisation. Even in my younger days say mid seventies when I was near to kolkatta I was thretened of the consequences of KSY in my horoscope as my 5th house from moon was under the spell.Then there was need for me to seek astral remedies and study the intricate subject and yogas. > After several years of study and practice vedic Knowledge ,following remedial approaches,beleievi ng saints and sages and their wisdom,jyotish was to be digested.it has now (kalki awatar) become a media's panacea and the haste post approaches of problems and solving methods.This resulted in categorisation of Astrologers as well as needy people.Those knowing the subject get dismayed at the velocity of the growth of Astrology and the changes in understanding of the subject creeping from classical level.Today Astrologer has to look different if he has to encah his knowledge.Saints of yester years too have been also understood in a different way with rmedial stones for all five fingers with prominent rudraksha malas adoring them. > Interpretation of various house based on once needs too has been transforming as several people wants to migrate foreign lands to make living and keep their children prosperous at home. > Infact in ICAS and with my Guru late Shri BVR and Shri KN Rao,I could only understand how all 12 houses and 9 planets harmonise once struggle and existence irrespective once ambitions in life and struggle for it.In the modern time concept 24 hours is too short for any thing.So the Astrology given a complicated understanding in Classicals to day got modernised with more pronouncements on remdial approaches so as to get satisfied with continuity with diverse approaches . > Let's therefore assimilate the modernisation with due regard to Classical prononcements. may be we express our views and opinions in our ways and give an impressions of diversity.I do not think our unity in giving regard to the Vedic Astrology has changed from then to now > vrkrishnan > > --- On Tue, 2/24/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote: > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > Re: General Comments > > Tuesday, February 24, 2009, 7:18 PM A bit of clarification! When I wrote, " ...Over the years though it > seems to have taken on an ominous character ... " I was not referring > to A.M. as could be hastily interpreted, but I meant general > dissemination of information and the speed etc with which thoughts > and opinions can be expressed in this Kalki Awataar's Machinery known > as Internet! > > RR > > , " Rohiniranjan " > <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote: > > > > Seriously following jyotish since the 60's I recall KSY being > discussed > > right from my early contact with astrology. Even in 70's many > articles > > appeared in hindi jyotish magazines and in A.M. from Bangalore when > it > > was at its acme of performance and quality. Over the years though > it > > seems to have taken on an ominous character partly due to the ease > with > > which opinions and remedies are prescribed in the faster internet > era > > and that is what concerns many serious astrologers. The potential > > damage that such unrestricted, and often strongly worded opinions > get > > tossed around without the peer-review that older writings offered > and > > that is still available when a hard-copy magazine publishes an > article. > > Now, mind you, not all printed magazines may do that but hardly any > > electronic magazine does that. > > > > Even in fora there are three levels of exchanges on any topic: > > > > Very rarely DEBATE which involves non-emotional factual exchange > with > > examples etc and done in a scholarly manner. Most difficult because > of > > paucity of available time and scholarship too. > > > > More frequently DISCUSSION which may have varying levels even > within a > > thread and can contain elements of a DEBATE but tend to suffer from > > PREMATURE ENUCLEATION! > > > > Then there are the FAITH statements: Claims and opinions based on > one's > > anecdotal experience without details, statements and claims from > Gurus > > and Scholars, the take it or leave it kind of exchanges which > generally > > arouse emotions and close doors for (1) or even (2) to happen and > > generally dissipate into animosity and what I call rocking chair > > phenomena. There seems to be a lot of movement but the participants > do > > not seem to go anywhere or move ahead in the discussion! > > > > I do not necessarily believe that it is the fault of the > participants > > because some if not all have demonstrated their capabilities to > perform > > in the level (1) and certainly level (2) over the years but a few > of > > these may at times tend to travel down to level (3) as well. > > > > While I am on the soap-box, may I remind people that people often > > confuse between passion and short-fuse emotionality. > > > > (1) and even (2) can effectively take place when both parties are > > willing to listen and communicate and do not already know the > answer > > and the TRUTH! No one can climb that MERU to reach such a guy > sitting > > on the pinnacle even if we try to climb with ice-picks in hand and > > spiked boots as used by those climbing Mt. Everest! > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , vattem krishnan > > <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > > > KSY is one such topic that hardly convinces many people.It is not > > that in the past this was ignored or modern astrologers emphasised > > it.If identity of minds is the name for unity and the diversity we > find > > is opinions it should not be a problem.After all no two opinions > can > > not be identical.let the group endure and let us love diversity but > not > > unity for the sake of assessing strength of Astrology and blame in > turn > > > vrkrishnan > > > > > > > <rest of the thread not relevant to this discussion truncated> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 While religion and spirituality is about UNITY (though sadly often works out opposite to the original intent!), astrology *IS* about diversity and polarity! For despite the few half-hearted verses thrown in about detachment and ascetic and hermit yogas and so on, the BULK of the Corpus Jyotish is about ordinary grihasta and householder -- the very individuals who approach us for readings. Let us not confuse them with religion and temple-speak! , vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > Are we misunderstanding the concepts of jyotish when put through Kalki avatar of jyotish.Absolutely you are right and hats off.why all this noise about unity in deversity etc?The real truth is in one's efforts and understanding of the subject. > vrkrishnan > > --- On Tue, 2/24/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote: > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan > Re: General Comments > > Tuesday, February 24, 2009, 9:43 PM Krishnan ji [dada], > > I have never believed in the true intent of jyotish limited to > being " classic " or 'ancient'. > > Hopefully before the LYNCH MOB arrives to decapitate me let me > whisper quietly: 'I kind of always felt that it was EVERGREEN and > SHASWAT and for the here and now!' > > No mausoleums for HER in other words and no looking back as sadly > many teachers still insist! > > Her words may be arcane and the syntax archaic, but the best part of > a hard coconut is when you get your teeth beyond the harsh and coarse > fibers and shells and manage to reach the soft interior where the > nourishment and the beauty of TRUTH exists ... > > , vattem krishnan > <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > Dear dada, > > Astrology continued to be the same as it was in Classics,the > emphsis with progressive levels changing understanding too has been > changing leading to modernisation. Even in my younger days say mid > seventies when I was near to kolkatta I was thretened of the > consequences of KSY in my horoscope as my 5th house from moon was > under the spell.Then there was need for me to seek astral remedies > and study the intricate subject and yogas. > > After several years of study and practice vedic > Knowledge ,following remedial approaches,beleievi ng saints and sages > and their wisdom,jyotish was to be digested.it has now (kalki awatar) > become a media's panacea and the haste post approaches of problems > and solving methods.This resulted in categorisation of Astrologers as > well as needy people.Those knowing the subject get dismayed at the > velocity of the growth of Astrology and the changes in understanding > of the subject creeping from classical level.Today Astrologer has to > look different if he has to encah his knowledge.Saints of yester > years too have been also understood in a different way with rmedial > stones for all five fingers with prominent rudraksha malas adoring > them. > > Interpretation of various house based on once needs too has been > transforming as several people wants to migrate foreign lands to make > living and keep their children prosperous at home. > > Infact in ICAS and with my Guru late Shri BVR and Shri KN Rao,I > could only understand how all 12 houses and 9 planets harmonise once > struggle and existence irrespective once ambitions in life and > struggle for it.In the modern time concept 24 hours is too short for > any thing.So the Astrology given a complicated understanding in > Classicals to day got modernised with more pronouncements on remdial > approaches so as to get satisfied with continuity with diverse > approaches . > > Let's therefore assimilate the modernisation with due regard to > Classical prononcements. may be we express our views and opinions in > our ways and give an impressions of diversity.I do not think our > unity in giving regard to the Vedic Astrology has changed from then > to now > > vrkrishnan > > > > --- On Tue, 2/24/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote: > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > Re: General Comments > > > > Tuesday, February 24, 2009, 7:18 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A bit of clarification! When I wrote, " ...Over the years though it > > seems to have taken on an ominous character ... " I was not > referring > > to A.M. as could be hastily interpreted, but I meant general > > dissemination of information and the speed etc with which thoughts > > and opinions can be expressed in this Kalki Awataar's Machinery > known > > as Internet! > > > > RR > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Seriously following jyotish since the 60's I recall KSY being > > discussed > > > right from my early contact with astrology. Even in 70's many > > articles > > > appeared in hindi jyotish magazines and in A.M. from Bangalore > when > > it > > > was at its acme of performance and quality. Over the years though > > it > > > seems to have taken on an ominous character partly due to the > ease > > with > > > which opinions and remedies are prescribed in the faster internet > > era > > > and that is what concerns many serious astrologers. The potential > > > damage that such unrestricted, and often strongly worded opinions > > get > > > tossed around without the peer-review that older writings offered > > and > > > that is still available when a hard-copy magazine publishes an > > article. > > > Now, mind you, not all printed magazines may do that but hardly > any > > > electronic magazine does that. > > > > > > Even in fora there are three levels of exchanges on any topic: > > > > > > Very rarely DEBATE which involves non-emotional factual exchange > > with > > > examples etc and done in a scholarly manner. Most difficult > because > > of > > > paucity of available time and scholarship too. > > > > > > More frequently DISCUSSION which may have varying levels even > > within a > > > thread and can contain elements of a DEBATE but tend to suffer > from > > > PREMATURE ENUCLEATION! > > > > > > Then there are the FAITH statements: Claims and opinions based on > > one's > > > anecdotal experience without details, statements and claims from > > Gurus > > > and Scholars, the take it or leave it kind of exchanges which > > generally > > > arouse emotions and close doors for (1) or even (2) to happen and > > > generally dissipate into animosity and what I call rocking chair > > > phenomena. There seems to be a lot of movement but the > participants > > do > > > not seem to go anywhere or move ahead in the discussion! > > > > > > I do not necessarily believe that it is the fault of the > > participants > > > because some if not all have demonstrated their capabilities to > > perform > > > in the level (1) and certainly level (2) over the years but a few > > of > > > these may at times tend to travel down to level (3) as well. > > > > > > While I am on the soap-box, may I remind people that people often > > > confuse between passion and short-fuse emotionality. > > > > > > (1) and even (2) can effectively take place when both parties are > > > willing to listen and communicate and do not already know the > > answer > > > and the TRUTH! No one can climb that MERU to reach such a guy > > sitting > > > on the pinnacle even if we try to climb with ice-picks in hand > and > > > spiked boots as used by those climbing Mt. Everest! > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , vattem krishnan > > > <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > > > > > KSY is one such topic that hardly convinces many people.It is > not > > > that in the past this was ignored or modern astrologers > emphasised > > > it.If identity of minds is the name for unity and the diversity > we > > find > > > is opinions it should not be a problem.After all no two opinions > > can > > > not be identical.let the group endure and let us love diversity > but > > not > > > unity for the sake of assessing strength of Astrology and blame > in > > turn > > > > vrkrishnan > > > > > > > > > > <rest of the thread not relevant to this discussion truncated> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 Preparedness Krishnanji and not just effort! Ponder on that, please! As a wise individual and a scientist at that once said, " Chance favours the prepared mind! " , vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > Are we misunderstanding the concepts of jyotish when put through Kalki avatar of jyotish.Absolutely you are right and hats off.why all this noise about unity in deversity etc?The real truth is in one's efforts and understanding of the subject. > vrkrishnan > > --- On Tue, 2/24/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote: > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan > Re: General Comments > > Tuesday, February 24, 2009, 9:43 PM Krishnan ji [dada], > > I have never believed in the true intent of jyotish limited to > being " classic " or 'ancient'. > > Hopefully before the LYNCH MOB arrives to decapitate me let me > whisper quietly: 'I kind of always felt that it was EVERGREEN and > SHASWAT and for the here and now!' > > No mausoleums for HER in other words and no looking back as sadly > many teachers still insist! > > Her words may be arcane and the syntax archaic, but the best part of > a hard coconut is when you get your teeth beyond the harsh and coarse > fibers and shells and manage to reach the soft interior where the > nourishment and the beauty of TRUTH exists ... > > , vattem krishnan > <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > Dear dada, > > Astrology continued to be the same as it was in Classics,the > emphsis with progressive levels changing understanding too has been > changing leading to modernisation. Even in my younger days say mid > seventies when I was near to kolkatta I was thretened of the > consequences of KSY in my horoscope as my 5th house from moon was > under the spell.Then there was need for me to seek astral remedies > and study the intricate subject and yogas. > > After several years of study and practice vedic > Knowledge ,following remedial approaches,beleievi ng saints and sages > and their wisdom,jyotish was to be digested.it has now (kalki awatar) > become a media's panacea and the haste post approaches of problems > and solving methods.This resulted in categorisation of Astrologers as > well as needy people.Those knowing the subject get dismayed at the > velocity of the growth of Astrology and the changes in understanding > of the subject creeping from classical level.Today Astrologer has to > look different if he has to encah his knowledge.Saints of yester > years too have been also understood in a different way with rmedial > stones for all five fingers with prominent rudraksha malas adoring > them. > > Interpretation of various house based on once needs too has been > transforming as several people wants to migrate foreign lands to make > living and keep their children prosperous at home. > > Infact in ICAS and with my Guru late Shri BVR and Shri KN Rao,I > could only understand how all 12 houses and 9 planets harmonise once > struggle and existence irrespective once ambitions in life and > struggle for it.In the modern time concept 24 hours is too short for > any thing.So the Astrology given a complicated understanding in > Classicals to day got modernised with more pronouncements on remdial > approaches so as to get satisfied with continuity with diverse > approaches . > > Let's therefore assimilate the modernisation with due regard to > Classical prononcements. may be we express our views and opinions in > our ways and give an impressions of diversity.I do not think our > unity in giving regard to the Vedic Astrology has changed from then > to now > > vrkrishnan > > > > --- On Tue, 2/24/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote: > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > Re: General Comments > > > > Tuesday, February 24, 2009, 7:18 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A bit of clarification! When I wrote, " ...Over the years though it > > seems to have taken on an ominous character ... " I was not > referring > > to A.M. as could be hastily interpreted, but I meant general > > dissemination of information and the speed etc with which thoughts > > and opinions can be expressed in this Kalki Awataar's Machinery > known > > as Internet! > > > > RR > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Seriously following jyotish since the 60's I recall KSY being > > discussed > > > right from my early contact with astrology. Even in 70's many > > articles > > > appeared in hindi jyotish magazines and in A.M. from Bangalore > when > > it > > > was at its acme of performance and quality. Over the years though > > it > > > seems to have taken on an ominous character partly due to the > ease > > with > > > which opinions and remedies are prescribed in the faster internet > > era > > > and that is what concerns many serious astrologers. The potential > > > damage that such unrestricted, and often strongly worded opinions > > get > > > tossed around without the peer-review that older writings offered > > and > > > that is still available when a hard-copy magazine publishes an > > article. > > > Now, mind you, not all printed magazines may do that but hardly > any > > > electronic magazine does that. > > > > > > Even in fora there are three levels of exchanges on any topic: > > > > > > Very rarely DEBATE which involves non-emotional factual exchange > > with > > > examples etc and done in a scholarly manner. Most difficult > because > > of > > > paucity of available time and scholarship too. > > > > > > More frequently DISCUSSION which may have varying levels even > > within a > > > thread and can contain elements of a DEBATE but tend to suffer > from > > > PREMATURE ENUCLEATION! > > > > > > Then there are the FAITH statements: Claims and opinions based on > > one's > > > anecdotal experience without details, statements and claims from > > Gurus > > > and Scholars, the take it or leave it kind of exchanges which > > generally > > > arouse emotions and close doors for (1) or even (2) to happen and > > > generally dissipate into animosity and what I call rocking chair > > > phenomena. There seems to be a lot of movement but the > participants > > do > > > not seem to go anywhere or move ahead in the discussion! > > > > > > I do not necessarily believe that it is the fault of the > > participants > > > because some if not all have demonstrated their capabilities to > > perform > > > in the level (1) and certainly level (2) over the years but a few > > of > > > these may at times tend to travel down to level (3) as well. > > > > > > While I am on the soap-box, may I remind people that people often > > > confuse between passion and short-fuse emotionality. > > > > > > (1) and even (2) can effectively take place when both parties are > > > willing to listen and communicate and do not already know the > > answer > > > and the TRUTH! No one can climb that MERU to reach such a guy > > sitting > > > on the pinnacle even if we try to climb with ice-picks in hand > and > > > spiked boots as used by those climbing Mt. Everest! > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , vattem krishnan > > > <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > > > > > KSY is one such topic that hardly convinces many people.It is > not > > > that in the past this was ignored or modern astrologers > emphasised > > > it.If identity of minds is the name for unity and the diversity > we > > find > > > is opinions it should not be a problem.After all no two opinions > > can > > > not be identical.let the group endure and let us love diversity > but > > not > > > unity for the sake of assessing strength of Astrology and blame > in > > turn > > > > vrkrishnan > > > > > > > > > > <rest of the thread not relevant to this discussion truncated> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2009 Report Share Posted February 27, 2009 Dear friends, 'Unity of purpose' in spite of divergent views is what I meant. KSY , off late has been turned into a mother of all battles between the 'classics' loyalists and 'Parampara' faithfuls.If 'parampara' jyothishi's feel that certain dicta, though not properly documented, have been handed over to them by generations of gurujans, so be it! Take it or leave it, but it is unfair to call them quacks. Many of these mortified astrologers are well versed in vedic astrology and their readings and analysis based on classics are well accepted and appriceated in this forum. In view of the foregoing, I feel KSY is no big deal! If you remove the pillars of FAITH, the whole eddifice of Astrology collapses! Fleecing the gullibles in the name of prayaschit for KSY is a different issue altogether and should be condemned in strongest terms by all sober men. SRS --- On Wed, 25/2/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote: Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan Re: General Comments Wednesday, 25 February, 2009, 8:43 AM Preparedness Krishnanji and not just effort! Ponder on that, please! As a wise individual and a scientist at that once said, " Chance favours the prepared mind! " , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@. ..> wrote: > > Are we misunderstanding the concepts of jyotish when put through Kalki avatar of jyotish.Absolutely you are right and hats off.why all this noise about unity in deversity etc?The real truth is in one's efforts and understanding of the subject. > vrkrishnan > > --- On Tue, 2/24/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote: > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > Re: General Comments > > Tuesday, February 24, 2009, 9:43 PM > > > > > > > Krishnan ji [dada], > > I have never believed in the true intent of jyotish limited to > being " classic " or 'ancient'. > > Hopefully before the LYNCH MOB arrives to decapitate me let me > whisper quietly: 'I kind of always felt that it was EVERGREEN and > SHASWAT and for the here and now!' > > No mausoleums for HER in other words and no looking back as sadly > many teachers still insist! > > Her words may be arcane and the syntax archaic, but the best part of > a hard coconut is when you get your teeth beyond the harsh and coarse > fibers and shells and manage to reach the soft interior where the > nourishment and the beauty of TRUTH exists ... > > , vattem krishnan > <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > Dear dada, > > Astrology continued to be the same as it was in Classics,the > emphsis with progressive levels changing understanding too has been > changing leading to modernisation. Even in my younger days say mid > seventies when I was near to kolkatta I was thretened of the > consequences of KSY in my horoscope as my 5th house from moon was > under the spell.Then there was need for me to seek astral remedies > and study the intricate subject and yogas. > > After several years of study and practice vedic > Knowledge ,following remedial approaches,beleievi ng saints and sages > and their wisdom,jyotish was to be digested.it has now (kalki awatar) > become a media's panacea and the haste post approaches of problems > and solving methods.This resulted in categorisation of Astrologers as > well as needy people.Those knowing the subject get dismayed at the > velocity of the growth of Astrology and the changes in understanding > of the subject creeping from classical level.Today Astrologer has to > look different if he has to encah his knowledge.Saints of yester > years too have been also understood in a different way with rmedial > stones for all five fingers with prominent rudraksha malas adoring > them. > > Interpretation of various house based on once needs too has been > transforming as several people wants to migrate foreign lands to make > living and keep their children prosperous at home. > > Infact in ICAS and with my Guru late Shri BVR and Shri KN Rao,I > could only understand how all 12 houses and 9 planets harmonise once > struggle and existence irrespective once ambitions in life and > struggle for it.In the modern time concept 24 hours is too short for > any thing.So the Astrology given a complicated understanding in > Classicals to day got modernised with more pronouncements on remdial > approaches so as to get satisfied with continuity with diverse > approaches . > > Let's therefore assimilate the modernisation with due regard to > Classical prononcements. may be we express our views and opinions in > our ways and give an impressions of diversity.I do not think our > unity in giving regard to the Vedic Astrology has changed from then > to now > > vrkrishnan > > > > --- On Tue, 2/24/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote: > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > Re: General Comments > > > > Tuesday, February 24, 2009, 7:18 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A bit of clarification! When I wrote, " ...Over the years though it > > seems to have taken on an ominous character ... " I was not > referring > > to A.M. as could be hastily interpreted, but I meant general > > dissemination of information and the speed etc with which thoughts > > and opinions can be expressed in this Kalki Awataar's Machinery > known > > as Internet! > > > > RR > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Seriously following jyotish since the 60's I recall KSY being > > discussed > > > right from my early contact with astrology. Even in 70's many > > articles > > > appeared in hindi jyotish magazines and in A.M. from Bangalore > when > > it > > > was at its acme of performance and quality. Over the years though > > it > > > seems to have taken on an ominous character partly due to the > ease > > with > > > which opinions and remedies are prescribed in the faster internet > > era > > > and that is what concerns many serious astrologers. The potential > > > damage that such unrestricted, and often strongly worded opinions > > get > > > tossed around without the peer-review that older writings offered > > and > > > that is still available when a hard-copy magazine publishes an > > article. > > > Now, mind you, not all printed magazines may do that but hardly > any > > > electronic magazine does that. > > > > > > Even in fora there are three levels of exchanges on any topic: > > > > > > Very rarely DEBATE which involves non-emotional factual exchange > > with > > > examples etc and done in a scholarly manner. Most difficult > because > > of > > > paucity of available time and scholarship too. > > > > > > More frequently DISCUSSION which may have varying levels even > > within a > > > thread and can contain elements of a DEBATE but tend to suffer > from > > > PREMATURE ENUCLEATION! > > > > > > Then there are the FAITH statements: Claims and opinions based on > > one's > > > anecdotal experience without details, statements and claims from > > Gurus > > > and Scholars, the take it or leave it kind of exchanges which > > generally > > > arouse emotions and close doors for (1) or even (2) to happen and > > > generally dissipate into animosity and what I call rocking chair > > > phenomena. There seems to be a lot of movement but the > participants > > do > > > not seem to go anywhere or move ahead in the discussion! > > > > > > I do not necessarily believe that it is the fault of the > > participants > > > because some if not all have demonstrated their capabilities to > > perform > > > in the level (1) and certainly level (2) over the years but a few > > of > > > these may at times tend to travel down to level (3) as well. > > > > > > While I am on the soap-box, may I remind people that people often > > > confuse between passion and short-fuse emotionality. > > > > > > (1) and even (2) can effectively take place when both parties are > > > willing to listen and communicate and do not already know the > > answer > > > and the TRUTH! No one can climb that MERU to reach such a guy > > sitting > > > on the pinnacle even if we try to climb with ice-picks in hand > and > > > spiked boots as used by those climbing Mt. Everest! > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , vattem krishnan > > > <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > > > > > KSY is one such topic that hardly convinces many people.It is > not > > > that in the past this was ignored or modern astrologers > emphasised > > > it.If identity of minds is the name for unity and the diversity > we > > find > > > is opinions it should not be a problem.After all no two opinions > > can > > > not be identical.let the group endure and let us love diversity > but > > not > > > unity for the sake of assessing strength of Astrology and blame > in > > turn > > > > vrkrishnan > > > > > > > > > > <rest of the thread not relevant to this discussion truncated> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2009 Report Share Posted February 28, 2009 Dear Sir, these Astrologers if they study the charts and anlyse w/o cursing some one only 'coz of some yoga which is utterly bad.then suggest resources by way remedies to overcome, then i do not think that is how classics intended for good jyotish.for that matter any jyotish has been intended to provide service. we have no issue as long as service with sincerity,honesty and purpose and with harmony linking 1,5N9 AS EDIFICES of basic Jyotish vrkrishnan --- On Sat, 2/28/09, RAMA SUBRAMANIAN <srs81520 wrote: RAMA SUBRAMANIAN <srs81520 Re: Re: General Comments Saturday, February 28, 2009, 1:15 AM Dear friends, 'Unity of purpose' in spite of divergent views is what I meant. KSY , off late has been turned into a mother of all battles between the 'classics' loyalists and 'Parampara' faithfuls.If 'parampara' jyothishi's feel that certain dicta, though not properly documented, have been handed over to them by generations of gurujans, so be it! Take it or leave it, but it is unfair to call them quacks. Many of these mortified astrologers are well versed in vedic astrology and their readings and analysis based on classics are well accepted and appriceated in this forum. In view of the foregoing, I feel KSY is no big deal! If you remove the pillars of FAITH, the whole eddifice of Astrology collapses! Fleecing the gullibles in the name of prayaschit for KSY is a different issue altogether and should be condemned in strongest terms by all sober men. SRS --- On Wed, 25/2/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> wrote: Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> Re: General Comments Wednesday, 25 February, 2009, 8:43 AM Preparedness Krishnanji and not just effort! Ponder on that, please! As a wise individual and a scientist at that once said, " Chance favours the prepared mind! " , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@. ..> wrote: > > Are we misunderstanding the concepts of jyotish when put through Kalki avatar of jyotish.Absolutely you are right and hats off.why all this noise about unity in deversity etc?The real truth is in one's efforts and understanding of the subject. > vrkrishnan > > --- On Tue, 2/24/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote: > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > Re: General Comments > > Tuesday, February 24, 2009, 9:43 PM > > > > > > > Krishnan ji [dada], > > I have never believed in the true intent of jyotish limited to > being " classic " or 'ancient'. > > Hopefully before the LYNCH MOB arrives to decapitate me let me > whisper quietly: 'I kind of always felt that it was EVERGREEN and > SHASWAT and for the here and now!' > > No mausoleums for HER in other words and no looking back as sadly > many teachers still insist! > > Her words may be arcane and the syntax archaic, but the best part of > a hard coconut is when you get your teeth beyond the harsh and coarse > fibers and shells and manage to reach the soft interior where the > nourishment and the beauty of TRUTH exists ... > > , vattem krishnan > <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > Dear dada, > > Astrology continued to be the same as it was in Classics,the > emphsis with progressive levels changing understanding too has been > changing leading to modernisation. Even in my younger days say mid > seventies when I was near to kolkatta I was thretened of the > consequences of KSY in my horoscope as my 5th house from moon was > under the spell.Then there was need for me to seek astral remedies > and study the intricate subject and yogas. > > After several years of study and practice vedic > Knowledge ,following remedial approaches,beleievi ng saints and sages > and their wisdom,jyotish was to be digested.it has now (kalki awatar) > become a media's panacea and the haste post approaches of problems > and solving methods.This resulted in categorisation of Astrologers as > well as needy people.Those knowing the subject get dismayed at the > velocity of the growth of Astrology and the changes in understanding > of the subject creeping from classical level.Today Astrologer has to > look different if he has to encah his knowledge.Saints of yester > years too have been also understood in a different way with rmedial > stones for all five fingers with prominent rudraksha malas adoring > them. > > Interpretation of various house based on once needs too has been > transforming as several people wants to migrate foreign lands to make > living and keep their children prosperous at home. > > Infact in ICAS and with my Guru late Shri BVR and Shri KN Rao,I > could only understand how all 12 houses and 9 planets harmonise once > struggle and existence irrespective once ambitions in life and > struggle for it.In the modern time concept 24 hours is too short for > any thing.So the Astrology given a complicated understanding in > Classicals to day got modernised with more pronouncements on remdial > approaches so as to get satisfied with continuity with diverse > approaches . > > Let's therefore assimilate the modernisation with due regard to > Classical prononcements. may be we express our views and opinions in > our ways and give an impressions of diversity.I do not think our > unity in giving regard to the Vedic Astrology has changed from then > to now > > vrkrishnan > > > > --- On Tue, 2/24/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote: > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > Re: General Comments > > > > Tuesday, February 24, 2009, 7:18 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A bit of clarification! When I wrote, " ...Over the years though it > > seems to have taken on an ominous character ... " I was not > referring > > to A.M. as could be hastily interpreted, but I meant general > > dissemination of information and the speed etc with which thoughts > > and opinions can be expressed in this Kalki Awataar's Machinery > known > > as Internet! > > > > RR > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Seriously following jyotish since the 60's I recall KSY being > > discussed > > > right from my early contact with astrology. Even in 70's many > > articles > > > appeared in hindi jyotish magazines and in A.M. from Bangalore > when > > it > > > was at its acme of performance and quality. Over the years though > > it > > > seems to have taken on an ominous character partly due to the > ease > > with > > > which opinions and remedies are prescribed in the faster internet > > era > > > and that is what concerns many serious astrologers. The potential > > > damage that such unrestricted, and often strongly worded opinions > > get > > > tossed around without the peer-review that older writings offered > > and > > > that is still available when a hard-copy magazine publishes an > > article. > > > Now, mind you, not all printed magazines may do that but hardly > any > > > electronic magazine does that. > > > > > > Even in fora there are three levels of exchanges on any topic: > > > > > > Very rarely DEBATE which involves non-emotional factual exchange > > with > > > examples etc and done in a scholarly manner. Most difficult > because > > of > > > paucity of available time and scholarship too. > > > > > > More frequently DISCUSSION which may have varying levels even > > within a > > > thread and can contain elements of a DEBATE but tend to suffer > from > > > PREMATURE ENUCLEATION! > > > > > > Then there are the FAITH statements: Claims and opinions based on > > one's > > > anecdotal experience without details, statements and claims from > > Gurus > > > and Scholars, the take it or leave it kind of exchanges which > > generally > > > arouse emotions and close doors for (1) or even (2) to happen and > > > generally dissipate into animosity and what I call rocking chair > > > phenomena. There seems to be a lot of movement but the > participants > > do > > > not seem to go anywhere or move ahead in the discussion! > > > > > > I do not necessarily believe that it is the fault of the > > participants > > > because some if not all have demonstrated their capabilities to > > perform > > > in the level (1) and certainly level (2) over the years but a few > > of > > > these may at times tend to travel down to level (3) as well. > > > > > > While I am on the soap-box, may I remind people that people often > > > confuse between passion and short-fuse emotionality. > > > > > > (1) and even (2) can effectively take place when both parties are > > > willing to listen and communicate and do not already know the > > answer > > > and the TRUTH! No one can climb that MERU to reach such a guy > > sitting > > > on the pinnacle even if we try to climb with ice-picks in hand > and > > > spiked boots as used by those climbing Mt. Everest! > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , vattem krishnan > > > <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > > > > > KSY is one such topic that hardly convinces many people.It is > not > > > that in the past this was ignored or modern astrologers > emphasised > > > it.If identity of minds is the name for unity and the diversity > we > > find > > > is opinions it should not be a problem.After all no two opinions > > can > > > not be identical.let the group endure and let us love diversity > but > > not > > > unity for the sake of assessing strength of Astrology and blame > in > > turn > > > > vrkrishnan > > > > > > > > > > <rest of the thread not relevant to this discussion truncated> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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