Guest guest Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 ||Jai Ramakrishna|| Dear Prashantji, I hope you are doing good. Yes, I have to be clear now, as I find most of the people using this only term for reading a chart. Cant we look further, than only citing it as the sole reason for chart reading? The name itself is ominous--a person,who is mentally weak, when comes to know that he is suffering from Lung Cancer, how will he feel??he is half-dead due to his disease, the doctor nails the final pin on his coffin, when he is informed about his disease. Since, I dont have any old AM issues, i will refrain from commenting on them, however, those same stalwarts said later that KSY has no place in Natal Horoscopy. As the sloka goes, quoted by Late P.S.Sastri, it means " All planets in RKA --this combination is known as KSY. Results are loss of king & destruction of grains " , which certainly indicates its relevence to Mundane Astrology & I am sure, that Late BV Raman has also judiciously used this Yoga for his mundane predictions. Unfortunately, I had been desperately looking at classics, nothing say anything beyond Sarpa Yoga. I have always said & will continue saying that lets go for an open discussion. Some people refused my proposal outright, some even expressed interest, & then backed off!!! So I cant do anything, than completely ignore this Yoga. Thank you, Gaurav. , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: > > Gaurav just today u r a bit clerer in what u had in mind on KSY than over the past few yrs. > > THAT IS using it is a only medicine > > in the same breadth u must say it is part of the vast vedic astrology whose roots may or may not be known and as stalwarrts, pioneers like B V RAMAN, PS Iyer, D V Subba rao KN RAO, and many more have used it. and documented it old issues of AM CAN TELL u this > > the problem is branding it rather damming it is a sad thing which u seem to say and all of us agree on this > > like Mangalik or some stars like Mula, Vishaka, Ashlesha, Chitta to some extent being considered evil stars > and Makha, Swati, Anuradha being sacred and blemishless or no need to look any firther on such star born ppl kind of statments come from ppl who know just too little and make more show, fuss on their knowledge the same ppl also say Bharini star born will rule the earth, well every month a few million r born why r they not rulers at least resident association, colony heads at least > > so these kind of sayings is what one must focus but not condem what we don't know on KSY ubnless we read most available sanskrit original works. > > it was sad to see u deleted from a grp just saw that msg only y;day once a seek only do visit other groups with time constraints this group moderation is taking what little time ,energy i can spare now. > > I hope there will some relief and can devote more time soon on the works if they end soon.er better for me. > > Best wishes > > prashant > > > --- On Mon, 2/23/09, <gaurav.ghosh wrote: > > <gaurav.ghosh > Re: A Good One > > Monday, February 23, 2009, 11:00 PM > > > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna| | > > Dear Mr.Nathani, > > //Then why do u term non believers as quacks.// > > > > I may assume that you were a bit agitated with my reply/in a hurry to > > reply to mail, thats why it resulted in this common error, > > fortunately, which we call " typos " , as you didn't intend to put the > > " non " before the believers. > > Yes.The believers consider it to be the only tool for predictive > > purposes. Its like using only 1 medicine for all disease--from cough & > > cold to cancer!! > > > > //It seems u feel u r above all & u hv the liberty to speak whatever > > u want.// > > I never said that I am above all, neither I wish to or I want to. I am > > the smallest dust particle, that goes below all of your shoes, to > > gain, get & sustain knowledge.In a democratic republic, people will > > always have their liberty in expressing their opinion/views- -You live > > with it or leave it, its simply your prerogative! ! > > > > //Ur this act has made u disqualified in two prominent forums of > > group on astrology.// > > > > If I may correct you, it is 1 forum from which I have been deleted & I > > have thanked the owner of that forum. Sooner or Later, I had to leave > > that forum, due to my personal reservations & observations. A door > > which is closed to me, does not mean that other doors are closed for > > me as well. > > As long as I have no financial interest in Astrology, 1-2 charts from > > this forum & also other forum like Vedic-Astrology, is enough for my > > daily chart reading exercise, added to that private queries through > > some associate. > > I will never question the owner of that forum, why has he deleted me, > > neither will I get angry/rude to him. It is simply his decision which > > I respect. My love, respect & affection will always remain unchanged, > > as long as I dont create any problem with them personally. I do > > maintain a cordial relation with all--my best friend & my best > > enemy.However, I have special affinity to my best enemy, as he will > > help in finding my faults, not my friend--as to my friend, all my > > faults will be good qualities!! > > > > //Don't u think u owe an apology to all the fellow astrologers of the > > forum??// > > What for?Have I abused anyone?Have I misused anyone?Have I cheated on > > anyone? > > > > Thank you, > > Gaurav. > > , " Haresh \(Harry\) Nathani " > > <haresh1405@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Mr Ghosh > > > > > > Then why do u term non believers as quacks. It seems u feel u > > r above all & u hv the liberty to speak whatever u want. Ur this act > > has made u disqualified in two prominent forums of on > > astrology. Don't u think u owe an apology to all the fellow > > astrologers of the forum?? > > >  > > > GOD BLESS YOU > > > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI > > > VEDIC ASTOLOGER > > > CELL +919867214103 > > > (MUMBAI,INDIA) > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > <gaurav.ghosh@ ...> > > > > > > Tuesday, 24 February, 2009 11:59:29 AM > > > Re: A Good One > > > > > > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna| | > > > Dear Mr.Nathani, > > > //If u want to be a successful human being pls do not get into the act > > > chastising./ / > > > My comments:Yes, I want to be a successful human being, tell me who > > > doesn't want to be?Medium being varied, through moral & immoral > > > means.Again, if I may reiterate what I wrote in my previous message, > > > that I am not here to fight with people, as I have got no personal > > > issues with them. I am here to fight with concepts. > > > > > > //When we hurt anybodys feelings we indirectly are cursed which has a > > > reeling effect on our lives.// > > > My comments:Yes, I agree. I have earned the wrath of many. But for the > > > sake that I want to mislead people & agree with the misconceptions, > > > rather I would like to be cursed, than others be misled. Ultimately in > > > the Justice of Time, everything will be balanced. > > > > > > //Vedic astrology teaches us how to live life in a positive spirited > > > way. It also shows us how to overcome our sufferings./ / > > > My Comments:Certainly. If we cannot morally boost a person, what is > > > the need of practising astrology??? > > > For overcoming the sufferings, we offer remedial measures, just like a > > > doctor advising medicines to his patient.If the doctor doesn't test > > > the medicines before he tests the medicines, & has a negative effect > > > on the patient, who is to be blamed??The doctor, the medicine or the > > > patient? > > > > > > //Our good deeds & blessings which we get by solving peoples problem > > > help us in overcoming our mesieries in our days of struggle.// > > > My Comments:Yes, thats my sole reason for interest in astrology. If I > > > can bring a tinge of smile, or a grinning face, after the querist is > > > satisfied with my readings at the end of the day or if they come true, > > > what can be happier than this? > > > > > > //If u want to have a healthy debate it is always welcome. But not > > > with a negative & antagonising spirit.// > > > My Comments:I am extremely thankful & my gratitude now knows no limit > > > that at last someone has offered his assistance for a " healthy > > > debate " , when most of the so-called astrologers, showed their cold > > > shoulder to me!!! Since I am not an authority, I will never get into a > > > debate, I would rather term this as a healthy discussion, if I may? > > > I am always open & will remain to be open for wutever > > > controversy- -KSY, Ayanamsha, no. of days for a year in Dasas etc. > > > Thank you, > > > . > > > http://gauravastro. 150m.com > > > [Please get in touch with me for KSY discussion, obviously through my > > > email]. > > > Gaurav. > > > > > > , " Haresh \(Harry\) Nathani " > > > <haresh1405@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Mr Ghosh > > > > > > > > If u want to be a successful human being pls do not get into the act > > > chastising. If u want to have a healthy debate it is always welcome. > > > But not with a negative & antagonising spirit. When we hurt anybodys > > > feelings we indirectly are cursed which has a reeling effect on our > > lives. > > > > > > > > Vedic astrology teaches us how to live life in a positive spirited > > > way. It also shows us how to overcome our sufferings.. The act of > > > chastising makes a person give negative remarks which at any moment of > > > time work like a curse. all the days in our lives are not the same. > > > Our good deeds & blessings which we get by solving peoples problem > > > help us in overcoming our mesieries in our days of struggle. > > > >  > > > > GOD BLESS YOU > > > > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI > > > > VEDIC ASTOLOGER > > > > CELL +919867214103 > > > > (MUMBAI,INDIA) > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > <gaurav.ghosh@ ...> > > > > > > > > Tuesday, 24 February, 2009 11:21:42 AM > > > > Re: A Good One > > > > > > > > > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna| | > > > > Dear Mr.Nathani, > > > > //When u chastise someone, as per vedic principles it is an vedic > > > > offence & appradh. Krsna gave 100 chances to Shishupal later beheaded > > > > him with His sudharshan chakra because he kept on chatising.// > > > > My Comments:I dont like myself to be bent, & I prefer everything > > > > straight--simple black & white. I am not here to fight with people, I > > > > am here to fight with the misconceptions. > > > > I have been open to people for a healthy discussion on KSY, quoting me > > > > the classic, which confirms its existence. > > > > Still, my requests have fallen to wrong ears. Thn I agreed, to accept > > > > it as a secret, provided someone is interested to do a joint exercise > > > > on KSY, of course on charts of unknown people, having such Yoga.Still, > > > > people showed me their cold shoulder--such instances helped me to > > > > mould my attitudes about KSY--- & being stern is my objective. > > > > I have nothing personal with you--you practise astrology as a > > > > profession, while I practise, which is simply backed by hobby & > > > interests. > > > > If you take stalwarts name here like Mr.PVR Narasimha Rao, I may again > > > > bring someone's name like Shree KN Rao, Santhanam,Late BV Raman but > > > > it leads to nowhere, then creating confusions further. > > > > Still, I am open for a discussion(pls note my verbiage, I am not an > > > > autority, so I dont throw any challenge!!) . > > > > If you all dont listen to me, dont listen to me--consider my shoutings > > > > as the street dogs, who are barking & running here & there for no > > > > reason(Yes, in Mumbai I had listened to all the barks, & I am sure you > > > > must have heard those barks)--do we ever bother to listen to those > > > > barks??or simply ignore them?? > > > > Probably ignoring my messages, my barks, my running can be the best > > > > solution, if not the alternative solution. > > > > Thank you, > > > > Gaurav. > > > > P.S.:Again, I am ready for a healthy discussion!! ! > > > > Gaurav. > > > > > > > > , " Haresh \(Harry\) Nathani " > > > > <haresh1405@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr Ghosh > > > > > > > > > > This is what u hv mentioned in ur mail//Probably thats why Krishna > > > > was able to forgive Shishupal's sins > > > > > > committed against Him, for 100 times, but when it exceeded, he > > > severed > > > > > > his head with his " Sudarshan Chakra " .// > > > > > > > > > > When u chastise someone, as per vedic principles it is an vedic > > > > offence & appradh. Krsna gave 100 chances to Shishupal later beheaded > > > > him with His sudharshan chakra because he kept on chatising. > > > > > > > > > > Don't u think we are inviting the ire of Lord Krsna for chastising > > > > due to our own ignorance or our disbeliefs in certain vedic knowledge. > > > > It is not ncessary for one to believe in all the concepts of vedas but > > > > this does not means that our disbeliefs should be used to chastise. > > > > > > > > > > EvenÃÆ'‚ many senior astrologers like Mr. PVRN Rao mentions > > about KSY. > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > GOD BLESS YOU > > > > > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI > > > > > VEDIC ASTOLOGER > > > > > CELL +919867214103 > > > > > (MUMBAI,INDIA) > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > <gaurav.ghosh@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, 24 February, 2009 11:03:07 AM > > > > > Re: A Good One > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna| | > > > > > Dear Mr.Nathani, > > > > > Yes, I have a lot friends, who can be called " quacks " for > > believing in > > > > > KSY. Let not make this an issue for selecting our friends. Do we > > > > > forget what Nehru wrote in his masterpiece " Discovery Of India " , it > > > > > being " Unity & Diversity " ? > > > > > Let's not mix up friendship with personal/profession al > > > > > pursuits/beliefs. I am a member of hospitality Industry, & if my > > dear > > > > > friend works with my competitor (an enemy in straight), will my > > friend > > > > > be also my enemy, even if he is the manager, who takes active > > steps in > > > > > giving my company a tough competition? > > > > > If the answer for the latter question is " No " , then I would be > > assured > > > > > that my message carries my sense of friendship, otherwise another > > > > > misunderstanding- which doesn't matter to me. Its the way people > > > > > perceive the signals from the fingers & the keyboard, synchronised > > > > > with the vibrations of the grey matter. > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > . > > > > > http://gauravastro. 150m.com > > > > > > > > > > , " Haresh \(Harry\) > > Nathani " > > > > > <haresh1405@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr Ghosh > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a firm believer is KSY. And according to u it is only a quack > > > > > who believes in this yog. What kind of friendship u maintain with so > > > > > called quacks who are sincerely following the vedic principles of > > > > > Vedic Astrology??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > GOD BLESS YOU > > > > > > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI > > > > > > VEDIC ASTOLOGER > > > > > > CELL +919867214103 > > > > > > (MUMBAI,INDIA) > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > <gaurav.ghosh@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, 24 February, 2009 10:44:11 AM > > > > > > Re: A Good One > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna| | > > > > > > Dear Mr.Nathani, > > > > > > Certainly, we should never make a friend to be our enemy, > > > likewise we > > > > > > should give 1000 chances to our enemy to be our friend. > > > > > > Like saving Rs.1,00,000 is really time consuming, may be years(I > > > hsve > > > > > > never made it!!), but spending those Rs.1,00,000 doesn;t even > > > take 15 > > > > > > days. > > > > > > Similarly, if we want to turn our friend to be our enemy, it > > > will take > > > > > > only few minutes, & from enemy to a friend--a lot of attempts.. > > > > > > Probably thats why Krishna was able to forgive Shishupal's sins > > > > > > committed against Him, for 100 times, but when it exceeded, he > > > severed > > > > > > his head with his " Sudarshan Chakra " . > > > > > > Thats why learned people say, pray to God for everyone's good > > & but > > > > > > more, for those who are your enemies... > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Haresh \(Harry\) > > > Nathani " > > > > > > <haresh1405@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please give 1000 chances to your enemy to become your > > > > > > friendÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'‚¢ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Ã\ …¡ÃÆ'‚¬ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚¦. > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â\ €šÃ‚ ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€ÅÂ\ ¡ÃƒÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'âââ\ €šÂ¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'\ ‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡\ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Ã\ …¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢ââ€Å\ ¡Ã‚¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢ÃÂ\ ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'‚¢ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â‚¬ÅÂÂ\ ¡ÃƒÆ'‚¬ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚¦.butÃÆ'Æ'Æ'\ ÃÆ'‚¢ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ƒâ€šÃ‚¬ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚¦please, > > > > > please > > donÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'‚¢ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å\ ¡ÃÆ'‚¬ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¾ÃÆ'ââ‚\ ¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¢t > > give a single > > > > > > chance to your friend to become your enemy. > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ > > > > > > > GOD BLESS YOU > > > > > > > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI > > > > > > > VEDIC ASTOLOGER > > > > > > > CELL +919867214103 > > > > > > > (MUMBAI,INDIA) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! 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