Guest guest Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 Dear Kumarji A very HAPPY Shiv Ratri to you too! It has a very personal significance to me. The person who was to be my father in this lifetime was born on that very day but lost his own father when he was a few weeks old. So, fatherhood has been an important thing for me in this lifetime. Charakarakas are indeed very important for most of us living in the here and now! RR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 ||Jai Ramakrishna|| ||Om Namah Shivaya|| Dear Learned Astrologers & Members, I wish you my best wishes, from the core of my heart, on the auspicious event of Shivaratri. Legend has it that Shiva was married to Parvati on this ratri(night) & also some other stories that a Vyadha(butcher/hunter in modern context) was resting on a tree, which was co-incidentally a " Bilwa " tree...under which a Shiva Lingam was placed. Knowingly/Unknowingly, he dropped few Bilwa leaves on the lingam, he was fasting on that day as well, as he had meat with him, but only to share with his family. On the following day he returned home, with the meat & shared with his family & some guests, & after his death, when the messengers of " Yama " (Lord of Death) came to receive, they were defeated by messengers of Shiva, who came to receive his soul & carry him over to Shiva Loka. This story, a story though has a different meaning, as our brain being limited to work out, cannot catch the meaning of the story. Shiva is said to be Trikalajna--Knower of Past, present & future. May he guide us in every sphere of life, whatever decisions we take, whatever we do---may all this be dedicated to Lord Shiva, as he is the giver of Salvation. A small funny story, which I heard from a Sanyasi about Shiva, I am writing here.. " Once Parvati complained that Shiva is doing nothing--- he sits totally unemployed. After continuous complaints from Parvati, Shiva left kailasha with his bull, Nandi, in search of a plot, as he would like to do some form of farming. " After few months..Shiva came back to Kailasha, & told Parvati that he has been successful & expressed his desire that Parvati must see it. " When Parvati reached that place, where Shiva was busy in his " cultivation " , she found that there was nothing but plantations of " Hemp " (Marijuana/Ganja/Bhaang!!!) " . Thank you, Gaurav. ||Jai Saamba Sadashiva|| , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: > > Dear Members, > > msg no 56499-56403 are approved at 12.5 Hrs today > > I wish the members a HAPPY SHIVA RATHRI HOPE THE DAY IS SPENT IN GOOD ACTIONS, PRAYERS, PEACE IN THE WORLD. > > here the repeatdd posts by several members in as many groups as they can spot and its futility has been discussed many times and i have said this too often > > wud these really go back to all the groups they post/ > do they have the capacity to judge which amng the replies they get they can really use to best effect/ > if they have such a capacity they don't need astrologers at all > > so I have a request to them again > > pl post in select groups at a time WAIT FOR THE OUTCOME of at least half of them to pass either way succed or fail and give us the feedback whatever it be and u can they HOP to afew more groups best is to post in same group and see if ur feedback has made a difference > > just because it is free dont spam groups it is counter productive. > > I ALSO SAID TO BHASKAR Y'DAY like on many occassions I have not so much time to be in many groups to know where who has posted but do welcome such messages so that we can know the spammers. > > i have named and nailed a few myself so my application on this NEED not be questioned if I know of it I will act the way expected of me. I am sure others will share similar responsiblity as astrologers time must be shared on newer cases a few views r ALWAYS GOOD as the subject is diverse > but TOO MANY is dangerous for themselves apart from depriving many needy peoples time > > most astrologers r doing free readings treat them, their time with some respect, gratitude fees if u can afford anytime pl do that also else a donation to any chairty is welcome. > > Prashant > prashant > > > --- On Sun, 2/22/09, Bhaskar <rajiventerprises wrote: > > Bhaskar <rajiventerprises > Re: Dear Respected Gurus > > Sunday, February 22, 2009, 10:50 AM > > > > > > Dear Astrologer friends, > > > > I write very rarely on this Group due to many reasons including pre- > > occupation with other affairs. > > > > I have already answered this gentlemen a couple of times in > > Jyotish_Ganga including this same query. On asking again and again > > for repeated answers, I declined today, aftermath of which was very > > horrible, to say the least. > > > > Its high time that we astrologers pool in together, and warn each > > other when such natives try to take advantage of our free services.I > > have put this suggestion a couple of times before too, but the > > respected Moderator here said last time, that every native is > > entitled to many views. This type of compassion is okay , but how > > will it help the astrologers who work for their stomaches ? > > > > Anyway this is the last time I am putting this suggestion on this > > forum, and if the astrologers think that hy replying to this native > > they are doing good, then its their prerogative. But remmeber that by > > replying you are putting another of your brethren's effort,to nought. > > > > ear Prashantji, its now upto you, how to take this ahead, either > > compassion for the native, or compassion for your brethren. > > > > best wishes, > > Bhaskar. > > > > , " mr_sap_bw " <mr_sap_bw@ ..> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Gurus, > > > > > > I have got a small doubt. please need your Views on this matter, and > > > i will take this as a learning > > > what is your suggestion in regards to this venus placement. > > > Taurus born Lagna, Venus alone placed in 4th house which is the > > house > > > of Leo. > > > Many astrologers see the properties, assets, vehcles by seeing the > > > 4th house and Venus. > > > I have read that venus gets exalted in the fourth house, but here > > its > > > in the enemy sign. > > > This venus is the lord of Lagna and also the lord of 6th house, will > > > this placement have any good effects. > > > > > > because venus is also the lord of 6th house. > > > will this distroy once property, vehcles and the mothers heath will > > > be effected. > > > I am so much confused, because i have got 50% answers as yes and 50% > > > answers as no. > > > if we calculate opposite 4th is Tenth to 1st house, will a person > > > have a good professional success. > > > May i please have your views in this. > > > 26/07/1981 > > > 02:57 AM > > > Secunderabad/ Hyderabad > > > > > > Thanks > > > Have a Nice Day > > > Riaz > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 Gaurav, Maa Parwati even though ALL KNOWING as we all know and accept -- made the effort to go and visit Baba Mahakaal's latest venture to please HER! It is still February and Valentine and Love is in the AIR! I am sure you have heard about the Gujrati version of the Valentine Day myth (Belan Time?)! , " " <gaurav.ghosh wrote: > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > ||Om Namah Shivaya|| > Dear Learned Astrologers & Members, > I wish you my best wishes, from the core of my heart, on the > auspicious event of Shivaratri. > Legend has it that Shiva was married to Parvati on this ratri (night) & > also some other stories that a Vyadha(butcher/hunter in modern > context) was resting on a tree, which was co-incidentally a " Bilwa " > tree...under which a Shiva Lingam was placed. Knowingly/Unknowingly, > he dropped few Bilwa leaves on the lingam, he was fasting on that day > as well, as he had meat with him, but only to share with his family. > On the following day he returned home, with the meat & shared with his > family & some guests, & after his death, when the messengers of > " Yama " (Lord of Death) came to receive, they were defeated by > messengers of Shiva, who came to receive his soul & carry him over to > Shiva Loka. > This story, a story though has a different meaning, as our brain being > limited to work out, cannot catch the meaning of the story. > Shiva is said to be Trikalajna--Knower of Past, present & future. May > he guide us in every sphere of life, whatever decisions we take, > whatever we do---may all this be dedicated to Lord Shiva, as he is the > giver of Salvation. > A small funny story, which I heard from a Sanyasi about Shiva, I am > writing here.. > " Once Parvati complained that Shiva is doing nothing--- he sits > totally unemployed. After continuous complaints from Parvati, Shiva > left kailasha with his bull, Nandi, in search of a plot, as he would > like to do some form of farming. > " After few months..Shiva came back to Kailasha, & told Parvati that he > has been successful & expressed his desire that Parvati must see it. > " When Parvati reached that place, where Shiva was busy in his > " cultivation " , she found that there was nothing but plantations of > " Hemp " (Marijuana/Ganja/Bhaang!!!) " . > Thank you, > Gaurav. > ||Jai Saamba Sadashiva|| > > , Prashant Kumar G B > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > Dear Members, > > > > msg no 56499-56403 are approved at 12.5 Hrs today > > > > I wish the members a HAPPY SHIVA RATHRI HOPE THE DAY IS SPENT IN > GOOD ACTIONS, PRAYERS, PEACE IN THE WORLD. > > > > here the repeatdd posts by several members in as many groups as they > can spot and its futility has been discussed many times and i have > said this too often > > > > wud these really go back to all the groups they post/ > > do they have the capacity to judge which amng the replies they get > they can really use to best effect/ > > if they have such a capacity they don't need astrologers at all > > > > so I have a request to them again > > > > pl post in select groups at a time WAIT FOR THE OUTCOME of at least > half of them to pass either way succed or fail and give us the > feedback whatever it be and u can they HOP to afew more groups best is > to post in same group and see if ur feedback has made a difference > > > > just because it is free dont spam groups it is counter productive. > > > > I ALSO SAID TO BHASKAR Y'DAY like on many occassions I have not so > much time to be in many groups to know where who has posted but do > welcome such messages so that we can know the spammers. > > > > i have named and nailed a few myself so my application on this NEED > not be questioned if I know of it I will act the way expected of me. I > am sure others will share similar responsiblity as astrologers time > must be shared on newer cases a few views r ALWAYS GOOD as the subject > is diverse > > but TOO MANY is dangerous for themselves apart from depriving many > needy peoples time > > > > most astrologers r doing free readings treat them, their time with > some respect, gratitude fees if u can afford anytime pl do that also > else a donation to any chairty is welcome. > > > > Prashant > > prashant > > > > > > --- On Sun, 2/22/09, Bhaskar <rajiventerprises@> wrote: > > > > Bhaskar <rajiventerprises@> > > Re: Dear Respected Gurus > > > > Sunday, February 22, 2009, 10:50 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Astrologer friends, > > > > > > > > I write very rarely on this Group due to many reasons including pre- > > > > occupation with other affairs. > > > > > > > > I have already answered this gentlemen a couple of times in > > > > Jyotish_Ganga including this same query. On asking again and again > > > > for repeated answers, I declined today, aftermath of which was very > > > > horrible, to say the least. > > > > > > > > Its high time that we astrologers pool in together, and warn each > > > > other when such natives try to take advantage of our free services.I > > > > have put this suggestion a couple of times before too, but the > > > > respected Moderator here said last time, that every native is > > > > entitled to many views. This type of compassion is okay , but how > > > > will it help the astrologers who work for their stomaches ? > > > > > > > > Anyway this is the last time I am putting this suggestion on this > > > > forum, and if the astrologers think that hy replying to this native > > > > they are doing good, then its their prerogative. But remmeber that by > > > > replying you are putting another of your brethren's effort,to nought. > > > > > > > > ear Prashantji, its now upto you, how to take this ahead, either > > > > compassion for the native, or compassion for your brethren. > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > , " mr_sap_bw " <mr_sap_bw@ ..> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gurus, > > > > > > > > > > I have got a small doubt. please need your Views on this matter, and > > > > > i will take this as a learning > > > > > what is your suggestion in regards to this venus placement. > > > > > Taurus born Lagna, Venus alone placed in 4th house which is the > > > > house > > > > > of Leo. > > > > > Many astrologers see the properties, assets, vehcles by seeing the > > > > > 4th house and Venus. > > > > > I have read that venus gets exalted in the fourth house, but here > > > > its > > > > > in the enemy sign. > > > > > This venus is the lord of Lagna and also the lord of 6th house, will > > > > > this placement have any good effects. > > > > > > > > > > because venus is also the lord of 6th house. > > > > > will this distroy once property, vehcles and the mothers heath will > > > > > be effected. > > > > > I am so much confused, because i have got 50% answers as yes and 50% > > > > > answers as no. > > > > > if we calculate opposite 4th is Tenth to 1st house, will a person > > > > > have a good professional success. > > > > > May i please have your views in this. > > > > > 26/07/1981 > > > > > 02:57 AM > > > > > Secunderabad/ Hyderabad > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > Have a Nice Day > > > > > Riaz > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 Dada.. Oh yes..the love is still in the air.. But I never heard abt the Gujju Version of V-Day...what is it about??I am being inquisitive ... Gaurav. , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan wrote: > > Gaurav, > > Maa Parwati even though ALL KNOWING as we all know and accept -- made > the effort to go and visit Baba Mahakaal's latest venture to please > HER! > > It is still February and Valentine and Love is in the AIR! > > I am sure you have heard about the Gujrati version of the Valentine > Day myth (Belan Time?)! > > , " " > <gaurav.ghosh@> wrote: > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > > ||Om Namah Shivaya|| > > Dear Learned Astrologers & Members, > > I wish you my best wishes, from the core of my heart, on the > > auspicious event of Shivaratri. > > Legend has it that Shiva was married to Parvati on this ratri > (night) & > > also some other stories that a Vyadha(butcher/hunter in modern > > context) was resting on a tree, which was co-incidentally a " Bilwa " > > tree...under which a Shiva Lingam was placed. Knowingly/Unknowingly, > > he dropped few Bilwa leaves on the lingam, he was fasting on that > day > > as well, as he had meat with him, but only to share with his family. > > On the following day he returned home, with the meat & shared with > his > > family & some guests, & after his death, when the messengers of > > " Yama " (Lord of Death) came to receive, they were defeated by > > messengers of Shiva, who came to receive his soul & carry him over > to > > Shiva Loka. > > This story, a story though has a different meaning, as our brain > being > > limited to work out, cannot catch the meaning of the story. > > Shiva is said to be Trikalajna--Knower of Past, present & future. > May > > he guide us in every sphere of life, whatever decisions we take, > > whatever we do---may all this be dedicated to Lord Shiva, as he is > the > > giver of Salvation. > > A small funny story, which I heard from a Sanyasi about Shiva, I am > > writing here.. > > " Once Parvati complained that Shiva is doing nothing--- he sits > > totally unemployed. After continuous complaints from Parvati, Shiva > > left kailasha with his bull, Nandi, in search of a plot, as he would > > like to do some form of farming. > > " After few months..Shiva came back to Kailasha, & told Parvati that > he > > has been successful & expressed his desire that Parvati must see it. > > " When Parvati reached that place, where Shiva was busy in his > > " cultivation " , she found that there was nothing but plantations of > > " Hemp " (Marijuana/Ganja/Bhaang!!!) " . > > Thank you, > > Gaurav. > > ||Jai Saamba Sadashiva|| > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > msg no 56499-56403 are approved at 12.5 Hrs today > > > > > > I wish the members a HAPPY SHIVA RATHRI HOPE THE DAY IS SPENT IN > > GOOD ACTIONS, PRAYERS, PEACE IN THE WORLD. > > > > > > here the repeatdd posts by several members in as many groups as > they > > can spot and its futility has been discussed many times and i have > > said this too often > > > > > > wud these really go back to all the groups they post/ > > > do they have the capacity to judge which amng the replies they get > > they can really use to best effect/ > > > if they have such a capacity they don't need astrologers at all > > > > > > so I have a request to them again > > > > > > pl post in select groups at a time WAIT FOR THE OUTCOME of at > least > > half of them to pass either way succed or fail and give us the > > feedback whatever it be and u can they HOP to afew more groups best > is > > to post in same group and see if ur feedback has made a difference > > > > > > just because it is free dont spam groups it is counter productive. > > > > > > I ALSO SAID TO BHASKAR Y'DAY like on many occassions I have not > so > > much time to be in many groups to know where who has posted but do > > welcome such messages so that we can know the spammers. > > > > > > i have named and nailed a few myself so my application on this > NEED > > not be questioned if I know of it I will act the way expected of > me. I > > am sure others will share similar responsiblity as astrologers time > > must be shared on newer cases a few views r ALWAYS GOOD as the > subject > > is diverse > > > but TOO MANY is dangerous for themselves apart from depriving many > > needy peoples time > > > > > > most astrologers r doing free readings treat them, their time > with > > some respect, gratitude fees if u can afford anytime pl do that also > > else a donation to any chairty is welcome. > > > > > > Prashant > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 2/22/09, Bhaskar <rajiventerprises@> wrote: > > > > > > Bhaskar <rajiventerprises@> > > > Re: Dear Respected Gurus > > > > > > Sunday, February 22, 2009, 10:50 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Astrologer friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > I write very rarely on this Group due to many reasons including > pre- > > > > > > occupation with other affairs. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have already answered this gentlemen a couple of times in > > > > > > Jyotish_Ganga including this same query. On asking again and > again > > > > > > for repeated answers, I declined today, aftermath of which was > very > > > > > > horrible, to say the least. > > > > > > > > > > > > Its high time that we astrologers pool in together, and warn each > > > > > > other when such natives try to take advantage of our free > services.I > > > > > > have put this suggestion a couple of times before too, but the > > > > > > respected Moderator here said last time, that every native is > > > > > > entitled to many views. This type of compassion is okay , but how > > > > > > will it help the astrologers who work for their stomaches ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway this is the last time I am putting this suggestion on this > > > > > > forum, and if the astrologers think that hy replying to this > native > > > > > > they are doing good, then its their prerogative. But remmeber > that by > > > > > > replying you are putting another of your brethren's effort,to > nought. > > > > > > > > > > > > ear Prashantji, its now upto you, how to take this ahead, either > > > > > > compassion for the native, or compassion for your brethren. > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > , " mr_sap_bw " > <mr_sap_bw@ ..> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gurus, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have got a small doubt. please need your Views on this > matter, and > > > > > > > i will take this as a learning > > > > > > > what is your suggestion in regards to this venus placement. > > > > > > > Taurus born Lagna, Venus alone placed in 4th house which is the > > > > > > house > > > > > > > of Leo. > > > > > > > Many astrologers see the properties, assets, vehcles by seeing > the > > > > > > > 4th house and Venus. > > > > > > > I have read that venus gets exalted in the fourth house, but > here > > > > > > its > > > > > > > in the enemy sign. > > > > > > > This venus is the lord of Lagna and also the lord of 6th house, > will > > > > > > > this placement have any good effects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because venus is also the lord of 6th house. > > > > > > > will this distroy once property, vehcles and the mothers heath > will > > > > > > > be effected. > > > > > > > I am so much confused, because i have got 50% answers as yes > and 50% > > > > > > > answers as no. > > > > > > > if we calculate opposite 4th is Tenth to 1st house, will a > person > > > > > > > have a good professional success. > > > > > > > May i please have your views in this. > > > > > > > 26/07/1981 > > > > > > > 02:57 AM > > > > > > > Secunderabad/ Hyderabad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > Have a Nice Day > > > > > > > Riaz > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 CAVEAT: I got this from a gujrati sister so this could be a BIASED message! After being treated like servants and molested by their husbands, one day the sherni in a gujrati woman woke up and along with her caucus of like-minded gujrati women they decided that on 14th of February they will celebrate the Belan Time. That day their husbands got beaten up by ALL women with belans! Soon husbands grew wiser and before their wives raised the belan they began offering flowers, gifts and chocolates. Over centuries the term got corrupted and is now called Valentine day! , " " <gaurav.ghosh wrote: > > Dada.. > Oh yes..the love is still in the air.. > But I never heard abt the Gujju Version of V-Day...what is it about??I > am being inquisitive ... > Gaurav. > > , " Rohiniranjan " > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > Gaurav, > > > > Maa Parwati even though ALL KNOWING as we all know and accept -- made > > the effort to go and visit Baba Mahakaal's latest venture to please > > HER! > > > > It is still February and Valentine and Love is in the AIR! > > > > I am sure you have heard about the Gujrati version of the Valentine > > Day myth (Belan Time?)! > > > > , " " > > <gaurav.ghosh@> wrote: > > > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > > > ||Om Namah Shivaya|| > > > Dear Learned Astrologers & Members, > > > I wish you my best wishes, from the core of my heart, on the > > > auspicious event of Shivaratri. > > > Legend has it that Shiva was married to Parvati on this ratri > > (night) & > > > also some other stories that a Vyadha(butcher/hunter in modern > > > context) was resting on a tree, which was co-incidentally a " Bilwa " > > > tree...under which a Shiva Lingam was placed. Knowingly/Unknowingly, > > > he dropped few Bilwa leaves on the lingam, he was fasting on that > > day > > > as well, as he had meat with him, but only to share with his family. > > > On the following day he returned home, with the meat & shared with > > his > > > family & some guests, & after his death, when the messengers of > > > " Yama " (Lord of Death) came to receive, they were defeated by > > > messengers of Shiva, who came to receive his soul & carry him over > > to > > > Shiva Loka. > > > This story, a story though has a different meaning, as our brain > > being > > > limited to work out, cannot catch the meaning of the story. > > > Shiva is said to be Trikalajna--Knower of Past, present & future. > > May > > > he guide us in every sphere of life, whatever decisions we take, > > > whatever we do---may all this be dedicated to Lord Shiva, as he is > > the > > > giver of Salvation. > > > A small funny story, which I heard from a Sanyasi about Shiva, I am > > > writing here.. > > > " Once Parvati complained that Shiva is doing nothing--- he sits > > > totally unemployed. After continuous complaints from Parvati, Shiva > > > left kailasha with his bull, Nandi, in search of a plot, as he would > > > like to do some form of farming. > > > " After few months..Shiva came back to Kailasha, & told Parvati that > > he > > > has been successful & expressed his desire that Parvati must see it. > > > " When Parvati reached that place, where Shiva was busy in his > > > " cultivation " , she found that there was nothing but plantations of > > > " Hemp " (Marijuana/Ganja/Bhaang!!!) " . > > > Thank you, > > > Gaurav. > > > ||Jai Saamba Sadashiva|| > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > msg no 56499-56403 are approved at 12.5 Hrs today > > > > > > > > I wish the members a HAPPY SHIVA RATHRI HOPE THE DAY IS SPENT IN > > > GOOD ACTIONS, PRAYERS, PEACE IN THE WORLD. > > > > > > > > here the repeatdd posts by several members in as many groups as > > they > > > can spot and its futility has been discussed many times and i have > > > said this too often > > > > > > > > wud these really go back to all the groups they post/ > > > > do they have the capacity to judge which amng the replies they get > > > they can really use to best effect/ > > > > if they have such a capacity they don't need astrologers at all > > > > > > > > so I have a request to them again > > > > > > > > pl post in select groups at a time WAIT FOR THE OUTCOME of at > > least > > > half of them to pass either way succed or fail and give us the > > > feedback whatever it be and u can they HOP to afew more groups best > > is > > > to post in same group and see if ur feedback has made a difference > > > > > > > > just because it is free dont spam groups it is counter productive. > > > > > > > > I ALSO SAID TO BHASKAR Y'DAY like on many occassions I have not > > so > > > much time to be in many groups to know where who has posted but do > > > welcome such messages so that we can know the spammers. > > > > > > > > i have named and nailed a few myself so my application on this > > NEED > > > not be questioned if I know of it I will act the way expected of > > me. I > > > am sure others will share similar responsiblity as astrologers time > > > must be shared on newer cases a few views r ALWAYS GOOD as the > > subject > > > is diverse > > > > but TOO MANY is dangerous for themselves apart from depriving many > > > needy peoples time > > > > > > > > most astrologers r doing free readings treat them, their time > > with > > > some respect, gratitude fees if u can afford anytime pl do that also > > > else a donation to any chairty is welcome. > > > > > > > > Prashant > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 2/22/09, Bhaskar <rajiventerprises@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Bhaskar <rajiventerprises@> > > > > Re: Dear Respected Gurus > > > > > > > > Sunday, February 22, 2009, 10:50 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Astrologer friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I write very rarely on this Group due to many reasons including > > pre- > > > > > > > > occupation with other affairs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have already answered this gentlemen a couple of times in > > > > > > > > Jyotish_Ganga including this same query. On asking again and > > again > > > > > > > > for repeated answers, I declined today, aftermath of which was > > very > > > > > > > > horrible, to say the least. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its high time that we astrologers pool in together, and warn each > > > > > > > > other when such natives try to take advantage of our free > > services.I > > > > > > > > have put this suggestion a couple of times before too, but the > > > > > > > > respected Moderator here said last time, that every native is > > > > > > > > entitled to many views. This type of compassion is okay , but how > > > > > > > > will it help the astrologers who work for their stomaches ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway this is the last time I am putting this suggestion on this > > > > > > > > forum, and if the astrologers think that hy replying to this > > native > > > > > > > > they are doing good, then its their prerogative. But remmeber > > that by > > > > > > > > replying you are putting another of your brethren's effort,to > > nought. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ear Prashantji, its now upto you, how to take this ahead, either > > > > > > > > compassion for the native, or compassion for your brethren. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " mr_sap_bw " > > <mr_sap_bw@ ..> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gurus, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have got a small doubt. please need your Views on this > > matter, and > > > > > > > > > i will take this as a learning > > > > > > > > > what is your suggestion in regards to this venus placement. > > > > > > > > > Taurus born Lagna, Venus alone placed in 4th house which is the > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > of Leo. > > > > > > > > > Many astrologers see the properties, assets, vehcles by seeing > > the > > > > > > > > > 4th house and Venus. > > > > > > > > > I have read that venus gets exalted in the fourth house, but > > here > > > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > in the enemy sign. > > > > > > > > > This venus is the lord of Lagna and also the lord of 6th house, > > will > > > > > > > > > this placement have any good effects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because venus is also the lord of 6th house. > > > > > > > > > will this distroy once property, vehcles and the mothers heath > > will > > > > > > > > > be effected. > > > > > > > > > I am so much confused, because i have got 50% answers as yes > > and 50% > > > > > > > > > answers as no. > > > > > > > > > if we calculate opposite 4th is Tenth to 1st house, will a > > person > > > > > > > > > have a good professional success. > > > > > > > > > May i please have your views in this. > > > > > > > > > 26/07/1981 > > > > > > > > > 02:57 AM > > > > > > > > > Secunderabad/ Hyderabad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > Have a Nice Day > > > > > > > > > Riaz > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 Haha....RRji... That was really Hilarious.. I hope the Gujju women follow this tradition..till today .. Gaurav. , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan wrote: > > CAVEAT: I got this from a gujrati sister so this could be a BIASED > message! > > After being treated like servants and molested by their husbands, one > day the sherni in a gujrati woman woke up and along with her caucus > of like-minded gujrati women they decided that on 14th of February > they will celebrate the Belan Time. That day their husbands got > beaten up by ALL women with belans! Soon husbands grew wiser and > before their wives raised the belan they began offering flowers, > gifts and chocolates. Over centuries the term got corrupted and is > now called Valentine day! > > > , " " > <gaurav.ghosh@> wrote: > > > > Dada.. > > Oh yes..the love is still in the air.. > > But I never heard abt the Gujju Version of V-Day...what is it > about??I > > am being inquisitive ... > > Gaurav. > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > > > Gaurav, > > > > > > Maa Parwati even though ALL KNOWING as we all know and accept -- > made > > > the effort to go and visit Baba Mahakaal's latest venture to > please > > > HER! > > > > > > It is still February and Valentine and Love is in the AIR! > > > > > > I am sure you have heard about the Gujrati version of the > Valentine > > > Day myth (Belan Time?)! > > > > > > , " " > > > <gaurav.ghosh@> wrote: > > > > > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > > > > ||Om Namah Shivaya|| > > > > Dear Learned Astrologers & Members, > > > > I wish you my best wishes, from the core of my heart, on the > > > > auspicious event of Shivaratri. > > > > Legend has it that Shiva was married to Parvati on this ratri > > > (night) & > > > > also some other stories that a Vyadha(butcher/hunter in modern > > > > context) was resting on a tree, which was co-incidentally > a " Bilwa " > > > > tree...under which a Shiva Lingam was placed. > Knowingly/Unknowingly, > > > > he dropped few Bilwa leaves on the lingam, he was fasting on > that > > > day > > > > as well, as he had meat with him, but only to share with his > family. > > > > On the following day he returned home, with the meat & shared > with > > > his > > > > family & some guests, & after his death, when the messengers of > > > > " Yama " (Lord of Death) came to receive, they were defeated by > > > > messengers of Shiva, who came to receive his soul & carry him > over > > > to > > > > Shiva Loka. > > > > This story, a story though has a different meaning, as our > brain > > > being > > > > limited to work out, cannot catch the meaning of the story. > > > > Shiva is said to be Trikalajna--Knower of Past, present & > future. > > > May > > > > he guide us in every sphere of life, whatever decisions we take, > > > > whatever we do---may all this be dedicated to Lord Shiva, as he > is > > > the > > > > giver of Salvation. > > > > A small funny story, which I heard from a Sanyasi about Shiva, > I am > > > > writing here.. > > > > " Once Parvati complained that Shiva is doing nothing--- he sits > > > > totally unemployed. After continuous complaints from Parvati, > Shiva > > > > left kailasha with his bull, Nandi, in search of a plot, as he > would > > > > like to do some form of farming. > > > > " After few months..Shiva came back to Kailasha, & told Parvati > that > > > he > > > > has been successful & expressed his desire that Parvati must > see it. > > > > " When Parvati reached that place, where Shiva was busy in his > > > > " cultivation " , she found that there was nothing but plantations > of > > > > " Hemp " (Marijuana/Ganja/Bhaang!!!) " . > > > > Thank you, > > > > Gaurav. > > > > ||Jai Saamba Sadashiva|| > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > msg no 56499-56403 are approved at 12.5 Hrs today > > > > > > > > > > I wish the members a HAPPY SHIVA RATHRI HOPE THE DAY IS SPENT > IN > > > > GOOD ACTIONS, PRAYERS, PEACE IN THE WORLD. > > > > > > > > > > here the repeatdd posts by several members in as many groups > as > > > they > > > > can spot and its futility has been discussed many times and i > have > > > > said this too often > > > > > > > > > > wud these really go back to all the groups they post/ > > > > > do they have the capacity to judge which amng the replies > they get > > > > they can really use to best effect/ > > > > > if they have such a capacity they don't need astrologers at > all > > > > > > > > > > so I have a request to them again > > > > > > > > > > pl post in select groups at a time WAIT FOR THE OUTCOME of at > > > least > > > > half of them to pass either way succed or fail and give us the > > > > feedback whatever it be and u can they HOP to afew more groups > best > > > is > > > > to post in same group and see if ur feedback has made a > difference > > > > > > > > > > just because it is free dont spam groups it is counter > productive. > > > > > > > > > > I ALSO SAID TO BHASKAR Y'DAY like on many occassions I have > not > > > so > > > > much time to be in many groups to know where who has posted but > do > > > > welcome such messages so that we can know the spammers. > > > > > > > > > > i have named and nailed a few myself so my application on > this > > > NEED > > > > not be questioned if I know of it I will act the way expected > of > > > me. I > > > > am sure others will share similar responsiblity as astrologers > time > > > > must be shared on newer cases a few views r ALWAYS GOOD as the > > > subject > > > > is diverse > > > > > but TOO MANY is dangerous for themselves apart from depriving > many > > > > needy peoples time > > > > > > > > > > most astrologers r doing free readings treat them, their > time > > > with > > > > some respect, gratitude fees if u can afford anytime pl do that > also > > > > else a donation to any chairty is welcome. > > > > > > > > > > Prashant > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 2/22/09, Bhaskar <rajiventerprises@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar <rajiventerprises@> > > > > > Re: Dear Respected Gurus > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, February 22, 2009, 10:50 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Astrologer friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I write very rarely on this Group due to many reasons > including > > > pre- > > > > > > > > > > occupation with other affairs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have already answered this gentlemen a couple of times in > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish_Ganga including this same query. On asking again and > > > again > > > > > > > > > > for repeated answers, I declined today, aftermath of which > was > > > very > > > > > > > > > > horrible, to say the least. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its high time that we astrologers pool in together, and warn > each > > > > > > > > > > other when such natives try to take advantage of our free > > > services.I > > > > > > > > > > have put this suggestion a couple of times before too, but > the > > > > > > > > > > respected Moderator here said last time, that every native is > > > > > > > > > > entitled to many views. This type of compassion is okay , but > how > > > > > > > > > > will it help the astrologers who work for their stomaches ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway this is the last time I am putting this suggestion on > this > > > > > > > > > > forum, and if the astrologers think that hy replying to this > > > native > > > > > > > > > > they are doing good, then its their prerogative. But remmeber > > > that by > > > > > > > > > > replying you are putting another of your brethren's effort,to > > > nought. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ear Prashantji, its now upto you, how to take this ahead, > either > > > > > > > > > > compassion for the native, or compassion for your brethren. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " mr_sap_bw " > > > <mr_sap_bw@ ..> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gurus, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have got a small doubt. please need your Views on this > > > matter, and > > > > > > > > > > > i will take this as a learning > > > > > > > > > > > what is your suggestion in regards to this venus placement. > > > > > > > > > > > Taurus born Lagna, Venus alone placed in 4th house which is > the > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > of Leo. > > > > > > > > > > > Many astrologers see the properties, assets, vehcles by > seeing > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > 4th house and Venus. > > > > > > > > > > > I have read that venus gets exalted in the fourth house, > but > > > here > > > > > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > > > in the enemy sign. > > > > > > > > > > > This venus is the lord of Lagna and also the lord of 6th > house, > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > this placement have any good effects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because venus is also the lord of 6th house. > > > > > > > > > > > will this distroy once property, vehcles and the mothers > heath > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > be effected. > > > > > > > > > > > I am so much confused, because i have got 50% answers as > yes > > > and 50% > > > > > > > > > > > answers as no. > > > > > > > > > > > if we calculate opposite 4th is Tenth to 1st house, will a > > > person > > > > > > > > > > > have a good professional success. > > > > > > > > > > > May i please have your views in this. > > > > > > > > > > > 26/07/1981 > > > > > > > > > > > 02:57 AM > > > > > > > > > > > Secunderabad/ Hyderabad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > Have a Nice Day > > > > > > > > > > > Riaz > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 SIGH! You missed the message Gaurav :-( Not just the Gujrati sisters! The PROBLEM is GLOBAL!! RR , " " <gaurav.ghosh wrote: > > Haha....RRji... > That was really Hilarious.. > I hope the Gujju women follow this tradition..till today .. > Gaurav. > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > CAVEAT: I got this from a gujrati sister so this could be a BIASED > > message! > > > > After being treated like servants and molested by their husbands, one > > day the sherni in a gujrati woman woke up and along with her caucus > > of like-minded gujrati women they decided that on 14th of February > > they will celebrate the Belan Time. That day their husbands got > > beaten up by ALL women with belans! Soon husbands grew wiser and > > before their wives raised the belan they began offering flowers, > > gifts and chocolates. Over centuries the term got corrupted and is > > now called Valentine day! > > > > > > , " " > > <gaurav.ghosh@> wrote: > > > > > > Dada.. > > > Oh yes..the love is still in the air.. > > > But I never heard abt the Gujju Version of V-Day...what is it > > about??I > > > am being inquisitive ... > > > Gaurav. > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Gaurav, > > > > > > > > Maa Parwati even though ALL KNOWING as we all know and accept -- > > made > > > > the effort to go and visit Baba Mahakaal's latest venture to > > please > > > > HER! > > > > > > > > It is still February and Valentine and Love is in the AIR! > > > > > > > > I am sure you have heard about the Gujrati version of the > > Valentine > > > > Day myth (Belan Time?)! > > > > > > > > , " " > > > > <gaurav.ghosh@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > > > > > ||Om Namah Shivaya|| > > > > > Dear Learned Astrologers & Members, > > > > > I wish you my best wishes, from the core of my heart, on the > > > > > auspicious event of Shivaratri. > > > > > Legend has it that Shiva was married to Parvati on this ratri > > > > (night) & > > > > > also some other stories that a Vyadha(butcher/hunter in modern > > > > > context) was resting on a tree, which was co-incidentally > > a " Bilwa " > > > > > tree...under which a Shiva Lingam was placed. > > Knowingly/Unknowingly, > > > > > he dropped few Bilwa leaves on the lingam, he was fasting on > > that > > > > day > > > > > as well, as he had meat with him, but only to share with his > > family. > > > > > On the following day he returned home, with the meat & shared > > with > > > > his > > > > > family & some guests, & after his death, when the messengers of > > > > > " Yama " (Lord of Death) came to receive, they were defeated by > > > > > messengers of Shiva, who came to receive his soul & carry him > > over > > > > to > > > > > Shiva Loka. > > > > > This story, a story though has a different meaning, as our > > brain > > > > being > > > > > limited to work out, cannot catch the meaning of the story. > > > > > Shiva is said to be Trikalajna--Knower of Past, present & > > future. > > > > May > > > > > he guide us in every sphere of life, whatever decisions we take, > > > > > whatever we do---may all this be dedicated to Lord Shiva, as he > > is > > > > the > > > > > giver of Salvation. > > > > > A small funny story, which I heard from a Sanyasi about Shiva, > > I am > > > > > writing here.. > > > > > " Once Parvati complained that Shiva is doing nothing--- he sits > > > > > totally unemployed. After continuous complaints from Parvati, > > Shiva > > > > > left kailasha with his bull, Nandi, in search of a plot, as he > > would > > > > > like to do some form of farming. > > > > > " After few months..Shiva came back to Kailasha, & told Parvati > > that > > > > he > > > > > has been successful & expressed his desire that Parvati must > > see it. > > > > > " When Parvati reached that place, where Shiva was busy in his > > > > > " cultivation " , she found that there was nothing but plantations > > of > > > > > " Hemp " (Marijuana/Ganja/Bhaang!!!) " . > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > Gaurav. > > > > > ||Jai Saamba Sadashiva|| > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > msg no 56499-56403 are approved at 12.5 Hrs today > > > > > > > > > > > > I wish the members a HAPPY SHIVA RATHRI HOPE THE DAY IS SPENT > > IN > > > > > GOOD ACTIONS, PRAYERS, PEACE IN THE WORLD. > > > > > > > > > > > > here the repeatdd posts by several members in as many groups > > as > > > > they > > > > > can spot and its futility has been discussed many times and i > > have > > > > > said this too often > > > > > > > > > > > > wud these really go back to all the groups they post/ > > > > > > do they have the capacity to judge which amng the replies > > they get > > > > > they can really use to best effect/ > > > > > > if they have such a capacity they don't need astrologers at > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > so I have a request to them again > > > > > > > > > > > > pl post in select groups at a time WAIT FOR THE OUTCOME of at > > > > least > > > > > half of them to pass either way succed or fail and give us the > > > > > feedback whatever it be and u can they HOP to afew more groups > > best > > > > is > > > > > to post in same group and see if ur feedback has made a > > difference > > > > > > > > > > > > just because it is free dont spam groups it is counter > > productive. > > > > > > > > > > > > I ALSO SAID TO BHASKAR Y'DAY like on many occassions I have > > not > > > > so > > > > > much time to be in many groups to know where who has posted but > > do > > > > > welcome such messages so that we can know the spammers. > > > > > > > > > > > > i have named and nailed a few myself so my application on > > this > > > > NEED > > > > > not be questioned if I know of it I will act the way expected > > of > > > > me. I > > > > > am sure others will share similar responsiblity as astrologers > > time > > > > > must be shared on newer cases a few views r ALWAYS GOOD as the > > > > subject > > > > > is diverse > > > > > > but TOO MANY is dangerous for themselves apart from depriving > > many > > > > > needy peoples time > > > > > > > > > > > > most astrologers r doing free readings treat them, their > > time > > > > with > > > > > some respect, gratitude fees if u can afford anytime pl do that > > also > > > > > else a donation to any chairty is welcome. > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 2/22/09, Bhaskar <rajiventerprises@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar <rajiventerprises@> > > > > > > Re: Dear Respected Gurus > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, February 22, 2009, 10:50 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Astrologer friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I write very rarely on this Group due to many reasons > > including > > > > pre- > > > > > > > > > > > > occupation with other affairs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have already answered this gentlemen a couple of times in > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish_Ganga including this same query. On asking again and > > > > again > > > > > > > > > > > > for repeated answers, I declined today, aftermath of which > > was > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > horrible, to say the least. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its high time that we astrologers pool in together, and warn > > each > > > > > > > > > > > > other when such natives try to take advantage of our free > > > > services.I > > > > > > > > > > > > have put this suggestion a couple of times before too, but > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > respected Moderator here said last time, that every native is > > > > > > > > > > > > entitled to many views. This type of compassion is okay , but > > how > > > > > > > > > > > > will it help the astrologers who work for their stomaches ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway this is the last time I am putting this suggestion on > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > forum, and if the astrologers think that hy replying to this > > > > native > > > > > > > > > > > > they are doing good, then its their prerogative. But remmeber > > > > that by > > > > > > > > > > > > replying you are putting another of your brethren's effort,to > > > > nought. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ear Prashantji, its now upto you, how to take this ahead, > > either > > > > > > > > > > > > compassion for the native, or compassion for your brethren. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " mr_sap_bw " > > > > <mr_sap_bw@ ..> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gurus, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have got a small doubt. please need your Views on this > > > > matter, and > > > > > > > > > > > > > i will take this as a learning > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is your suggestion in regards to this venus placement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Taurus born Lagna, Venus alone placed in 4th house which is > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Leo. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many astrologers see the properties, assets, vehcles by > > seeing > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4th house and Venus. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have read that venus gets exalted in the fourth house, > > but > > > > here > > > > > > > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the enemy sign. > > > > > > > > > > > > > This venus is the lord of Lagna and also the lord of 6th > > house, > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > this placement have any good effects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because venus is also the lord of 6th house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > will this distroy once property, vehcles and the mothers > > heath > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > be effected. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am so much confused, because i have got 50% answers as > > yes > > > > and 50% > > > > > > > > > > > > > answers as no. > > > > > > > > > > > > > if we calculate opposite 4th is Tenth to 1st house, will a > > > > person > > > > > > > > > > > > > have a good professional success. > > > > > > > > > > > > > May i please have your views in this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > 26/07/1981 > > > > > > > > > > > > > 02:57 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > Secunderabad/ Hyderabad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > Have a Nice Day > > > > > > > > > > > > > Riaz > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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