Guest guest Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 Dear RRji, except the first 2 lines which talk abt the previous mesg, rest of it is not stand alone. so I am sure members will be wondering what cud be its significance, may be u can give it some more lines and abot KSY as a sole culprit for any factor is reaching ridicilous proportions. if JSY can alone do so much harm then we dont need astrolgoers at all these half baled ppl come around and smear one or tow factors all the time be it Mangalik, KSY or some spl stars as superior and no aflictions say Makha, Swati, Anuradha etc as Maha nakshatras so no matching required Amavasya is the best Muhirtha so no lagna or anything needs to bee seen as TAMILS do. ocassionally the Guru chandala yoga comes in for similar bashing when so many applicable factors make the reading. this is not a subject for the fly by night or chicken hearted I hope they leave it to better equiped ones and just ask their clients to seek better people after a glance like a general medical practioner does refer to a Senior in that subject prashantr --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote: Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan JUST SHARING OPENLY ... Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 5:27 PM Prashant Kumar ji (whom I have always called Kumar ji as a personal sambodhan) has written a beautiful message #55794 which led me to write what I share below. Some or perhaps many would not like it, choose to read it unapprovingly and perhaps in many other flavours, perspectives and levels of experience of human reality and so on ... It is unavoidable that there would be cliques and groups and politics and so on in Jyotish, as would be elsewhere or in any other line of work or discipline or profession etc. I can truthfully (My dear and departed Mother who was my true inspiration into occultism would KNOW, if I would ever lie!) say that over the many decades that I have travelled and explored the *island* of occultism (including astrology) I have nearly completely remained aloof and devoid of any political grouping or cliquing. For this I must thank the MA that made it exactly so! This does not make me more pious or spiritual, but simply 'detached' in a sense. Perhaps a bit less biased -- not taking anything claimed too seriously or each cyber-punch heading this way received 'LIGHTly', if you catch my drift :-) Over the years I have seen many nativities and even felt their anguish and urgency and shared a few dark moments with them trying to understand and even empathize with their despondancy that arises from the depth of their spirit and from the darker parts of their current life-plan. Those who are parents would perhaps have experienced that dreaded moment when their sweet little bundle of joy received his or her first needle (vaccination) every early on in life. While not pleasant it gave me a big moment of 'AHA!'. The DOCTOR knows best! The DOCTOR does not know what is best, always, so we must remain watchful and not blasé about what the doctor (any and all disciplines) tells us for one thing constant about all 'healers' is that their opinions and prescriptions VARY! But GOD surely knows what is best? And yet we forget that and get impatient and all this urgency arises. The moment that an Ashram of Jyotish such as this turns into an Emergency or Casualty hospital everyone becomes anxious and despite the pain and suffering one thing is certain. The faith in God and Infinite Wisdom is gone. Will healing ever take place in such a mind-set? Can faith in God, the God within us and in the lifeplan we have chosen, once lost -- will even astrological advice help us? Perhaps not as we see questions all over the place, questioning other astrologers and their advice. Sometimes it is not the knowledge or experience that is lacking from the astrological session, but the FAITH. Maybe GOD understands but does not react right away despite the internal pain felt! Like a parent who is watching his baby getting his first needle and crying like this is the end of the world. My heart goes out to the PARENT, though I know that the baby will come out stronger for the experience! God Bless you all! Rohiniranjan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 Did you mean by any chance that " the rest of it is <?> stand alone? " . The " not " is creating confusion! And ... yes, each posting and message even when linked to the earlier is a stand alone! As I recently posted/shared just before the eclipse struck some of us -- messages posted on public fora such as this one that you manage -- would have to be about sharing and chaining! Any exclusive and special messages that are felt like something that cannot be responded to or added to or improved upon -- well those would have to appear on private sites, right? Does that make sense to the forum? RR , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: > > Dear RRji, > > except the first 2 lines which talk abt the previous mesg, rest of it is not stand alone. > so I am sure members will be wondering what cud be its significance, may be u can give it some more lines > > and abot KSY as a sole culprit for any factor is reaching ridicilous proportions. if JSY can alone do so much harm then we dont need astrolgoers at all these half baled ppl come around and smear one or tow factors all the time be it Mangalik, KSY or some spl stars as superior and no aflictions say Makha, Swati, Anuradha etc as Maha nakshatras so no matching required > Amavasya is the best Muhirtha so no lagna or anything needs to bee seen as TAMILS do. > ocassionally the Guru chandala yoga comes in for similar bashing when so many applicable factors make the reading. > > this is not a subject for the fly by night or chicken hearted > I hope they leave it to better equiped ones and just ask their clients to seek better people after a glance like a general medical practioner does refer to a Senior in that subject > > > prashantr > --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote: > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan > JUST SHARING OPENLY ... > > Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 5:27 PM > > > > > Prashant Kumar ji (whom I have always called Kumar ji as a personal > > sambodhan) has written a beautiful message #55794 which led me to > > write what I share below. Some or perhaps many would not like it, > > choose to read it unapprovingly and perhaps in many other flavours, > > perspectives and levels of experience of human reality and so on ... > > > > It is unavoidable that there would be cliques and groups and politics > > and so on in Jyotish, as would be elsewhere or in any other line of > > work or discipline or profession etc. > > > > I can truthfully (My dear and departed Mother who was my true > > inspiration into occultism would KNOW, if I would ever lie!) say that > > over the many decades that I have travelled and explored the *island* > > of occultism (including astrology) I have nearly completely remained > > aloof and devoid of any political grouping or cliquing. For this I > > must thank the MA that made it exactly so! > > > > This does not make me more pious or spiritual, but simply 'detached' > > in a sense. Perhaps a bit less biased -- not taking anything claimed > > too seriously or each cyber-punch heading this way > > received 'LIGHTly', if you catch my drift :-) > > > > Over the years I have seen many nativities and even felt their > > anguish and urgency and shared a few dark moments with them trying to > > understand and even empathize with their despondancy that arises from > > the depth of their spirit and from the darker parts of their current > > life-plan. > > > > Those who are parents would perhaps have experienced that dreaded > > moment when their sweet little bundle of joy received his or her > > first needle (vaccination) every early on in life. While not pleasant > > it gave me a big moment of 'AHA!'. The DOCTOR knows best! > > > > The DOCTOR does not know what is best, always, so we must remain > > watchful and not blasé about what the doctor (any and all > > disciplines) tells us for one thing constant about all 'healers' is > > that their opinions and prescriptions VARY! > > > > But GOD surely knows what is best? And yet we forget that and get > > impatient and all this urgency arises. The moment that an Ashram of > > Jyotish such as this turns into an Emergency or Casualty hospital > > everyone becomes anxious and despite the pain and suffering one thing > > is certain. The faith in God and Infinite Wisdom is gone. > > > > Will healing ever take place in such a mind-set? Can faith in God, > > the God within us and in the lifeplan we have chosen, once lost -- > > will even astrological advice help us? Perhaps not as we see > > questions all over the place, questioning other astrologers and their > > advice. > > > > Sometimes it is not the knowledge or experience that is lacking from > > the astrological session, but the FAITH. Maybe GOD understands but > > does not react right away despite the internal pain felt! Like a > > parent who is watching his baby getting his first needle and crying > > like this is the end of the world. My heart goes out to the PARENT, > > though I know that the baby will come out stronger for the experience! > > > > God Bless you all! > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 Dear RRji for me it was ok even if not stand alone in nature can get the link sure many more who r newer here WILL not so felt u can add why u put those lines to avoid any chain reaction IF ANY. so far so good. and YES all public messages can't be for private circulation, else groups will lose its purpouse. except the charged ones rest can be public prashant ________________________________ Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan Wednesday, January 28, 2009 10:58:33 AM Re: JUST SHARING OPENLY ... 28/1 Did you mean by any chance that " the rest of it is <?> stand alone? " . The " not " is creating confusion! And ... yes, each posting and message even when linked to the earlier is a stand alone! As I recently posted/shared just before the eclipse struck some of us -- messages posted on public fora such as this one that you manage -- would have to be about sharing and chaining! Any exclusive and special messages that are felt like something that cannot be responded to or added to or improved upon -- well those would have to appear on private sites, right? Does that make sense to the forum? RR , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@. ..> wrote: > > Dear RRji, > > except the first 2 lines which talk abt the previous mesg, rest of it is not stand alone. > so I am sure members will be wondering what cud be its significance, may be u can give it some more lines > > and abot KSY as a sole culprit for any factor is reaching ridicilous proportions. if JSY can alone do so much harm then we dont need astrolgoers at all these half baled ppl come around and smear one or tow factors all the time be it Mangalik, KSY or some spl stars as superior and no aflictions say Makha, Swati, Anuradha etc as Maha nakshatras so no matching required > Amavasya is the best Muhirtha so no lagna or anything needs to bee seen as TAMILS do. > ocassionally the Guru chandala yoga comes in for similar bashing when so many applicable factors make the reading. > > this is not a subject for the fly by night or chicken hearted > I hope they leave it to better equiped ones and just ask their clients to seek better people after a glance like a general medical practioner does refer to a Senior in that subject > > > prashantr > --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote: > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > JUST SHARING OPENLY ... > > Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 5:27 PM > > > > > Prashant Kumar ji (whom I have always called Kumar ji as a personal > > sambodhan) has written a beautiful message #55794 which led me to > > write what I share below. Some or perhaps many would not like it, > > choose to read it unapprovingly and perhaps in many other flavours, > > perspectives and levels of experience of human reality and so on ... > > > > It is unavoidable that there would be cliques and groups and politics > > and so on in Jyotish, as would be elsewhere or in any other line of > > work or discipline or profession etc. > > > > I can truthfully (My dear and departed Mother who was my true > > inspiration into occultism would KNOW, if I would ever lie!) say that > > over the many decades that I have travelled and explored the *island* > > of occultism (including astrology) I have nearly completely remained > > aloof and devoid of any political grouping or cliquing. For this I > > must thank the MA that made it exactly so! > > > > This does not make me more pious or spiritual, but simply 'detached' > > in a sense. Perhaps a bit less biased -- not taking anything claimed > > too seriously or each cyber-punch heading this way > > received 'LIGHTly', if you catch my drift :-) > > > > Over the years I have seen many nativities and even felt their > > anguish and urgency and shared a few dark moments with them trying to > > understand and even empathize with their despondancy that arises from > > the depth of their spirit and from the darker parts of their current > > life-plan. > > > > Those who are parents would perhaps have experienced that dreaded > > moment when their sweet little bundle of joy received his or her > > first needle (vaccination) every early on in life. While not pleasant > > it gave me a big moment of 'AHA!'. The DOCTOR knows best! > > > > The DOCTOR does not know what is best, always, so we must remain > > watchful and not blasé about what the doctor (any and all > > disciplines) tells us for one thing constant about all 'healers' is > > that their opinions and prescriptions VARY! > > > > But GOD surely knows what is best? And yet we forget that and get > > impatient and all this urgency arises. The moment that an Ashram of > > Jyotish such as this turns into an Emergency or Casualty hospital > > everyone becomes anxious and despite the pain and suffering one thing > > is certain. The faith in God and Infinite Wisdom is gone. > > > > Will healing ever take place in such a mind-set? Can faith in God, > > the God within us and in the lifeplan we have chosen, once lost -- > > will even astrological advice help us? Perhaps not as we see > > questions all over the place, questioning other astrologers and their > > advice. > > > > Sometimes it is not the knowledge or experience that is lacking from > > the astrological session, but the FAITH. Maybe GOD understands but > > does not react right away despite the internal pain felt! Like a > > parent who is watching his baby getting his first needle and crying > > like this is the end of the world. My heart goes out to the PARENT, > > though I know that the baby will come out stronger for the experience! > > > > God Bless you all! > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 I thought it was pretty obvious, but here goes: I am noticing an increasing tendency amongst those who seek readings to treat jyotish solutions and remedies as a medical/diseae model. You have a headache, take the blue pill, if you have a stomach upset, take the green pill, if this or that system does not work, take the yellow pill and if that does not work there is injection. If all fails surgery is there. The reading seekers alone are not at fault. Prevailing jyotish writings and advice from many practitioners seems to indicate and reinforce that belief. There is just one problem. If the system of remedies were effective as expected for the healthcare model, then there would not be so many coming back again and again reporting that this or that or x number of astrologers prescribed to do this or something else and they are not getting any better. And each astrologer prescribed a different remedy. As I see it, jyotish has two basic functions. First is correct diagnosis (just like in the medical model). The next is the prescription of appropriate remedies where indicated or possible or deemed to be beneficial. This consideration must be not applied mechanically. In a physical disease model, there are powerful chemicals which will effect a change in most whether they believe in it or not. There are some subtle medicines and certain therapeutic modalities where a willingness and faith helps. In some of the psychotherapeutic measures for instance or what is known as placebo effect etc. There are many remedies that are prescribed by astrologers. In many cases it seems that the intent and other important details (spiritual state, the mental ambience, the appropriate setting in which to practice the spiritual remedies...etc, I think are not fully explained. One needs to have a deep faith in this not being a revengeful Creation or Universe and one that is governed by a higher Law and Order (as opposed to anarchy and chaos). One can recite one lakh and 25 thousand times some mantra like a parrot, or keep on fasting till cows come home or wear all kinds of gemstones and make the jeweller's happy and welcoming smile wider and brighter, but the disease remains untouched. Unless this victim mentality, " Why me? " and 'God is cruel' mantra goes on being chanted in the head or in one's heart while all the remedials are being practiced, the wheels of karma will remain stuck in the quigmire of induced-confusion! That is kind of what I was saying. Hopefully, it makes sense to some, regardless of their affiliation to a group, school, line of thinking, and whether they like me or what I write or not... Namastay! Rohiniranjan , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: > > Dear RRji > for me it was ok even if not stand alone in nature can get the link sure many more who r newer here WILL not so felt u can add why u put those lines to avoid any chain reaction IF ANY. > > so far so good. > > and YES all public messages can't be for private circulation, else groups will lose its purpouse. except the charged ones rest can be public > > prashant > > > ________________________________ > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan > > Wednesday, January 28, 2009 10:58:33 AM > Re: JUST SHARING OPENLY ... 28/1 > > > Did you mean by any chance that " the rest of it is <?> stand alone? " . > > The " not " is creating confusion! > > And ... yes, each posting and message even when linked to the earlier > is a stand alone! > > As I recently posted/shared just before the eclipse struck some of > us -- messages posted on public fora such as this one that you > manage -- would have to be about sharing and chaining! > > Any exclusive and special messages that are felt like something that > cannot be responded to or added to or improved upon -- well those > would have to appear on private sites, right? > > Does that make sense to the forum? > > RR > > , Prashant Kumar G B > <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > Dear RRji, > > > > except the first 2 lines which talk abt the previous mesg, rest of > it is not stand alone. > > so I am sure members will be wondering what cud be its > significance, may be u can give it some more lines > > > > and abot KSY as a sole culprit for any factor is reaching > ridicilous proportions. if JSY can alone do so much harm then we > dont need astrolgoers at all these half baled ppl come around and > smear one or tow factors all the time be it Mangalik, KSY or some spl > stars as superior and no aflictions say Makha, Swati, Anuradha etc as > Maha nakshatras so no matching required > > Amavasya is the best Muhirtha so no lagna or anything needs to bee > seen as TAMILS do. > > ocassionally the Guru chandala yoga comes in for similar bashing > when so many applicable factors make the reading. > > > > this is not a subject for the fly by night or chicken hearted > > I hope they leave it to better equiped ones and just ask their > clients to seek better people after a glance like a general medical > practioner does refer to a Senior in that subject > > > > > > prashantr > > --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote: > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > JUST SHARING OPENLY ... > > > > Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 5:27 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant Kumar ji (whom I have always called Kumar ji > as a personal > > > > sambodhan) has written a beautiful message #55794 which led me to > > > > write what I share below. Some or perhaps many would not like it, > > > > choose to read it unapprovingly and perhaps in many other flavours, > > > > perspectives and levels of experience of human reality and so on ... > > > > > > > > It is unavoidable that there would be cliques and groups and > politics > > > > and so on in Jyotish, as would be elsewhere or in any other line of > > > > work or discipline or profession etc. > > > > > > > > I can truthfully (My dear and departed Mother who was my true > > > > inspiration into occultism would KNOW, if I would ever lie!) say > that > > > > over the many decades that I have travelled and explored the > *island* > > > > of occultism (including astrology) I have nearly completely > remained > > > > aloof and devoid of any political grouping or cliquing. For this I > > > > must thank the MA that made it exactly so! > > > > > > > > This does not make me more pious or spiritual, but > simply 'detached' > > > > in a sense. Perhaps a bit less biased -- not taking anything > claimed > > > > too seriously or each cyber-punch heading this way > > > > received 'LIGHTly', if you catch my drift :-) > > > > > > > > Over the years I have seen many nativities and even felt their > > > > anguish and urgency and shared a few dark moments with them trying > to > > > > understand and even empathize with their despondancy that arises > from > > > > the depth of their spirit and from the darker parts of their > current > > > > life-plan. > > > > > > > > Those who are parents would perhaps have experienced that dreaded > > > > moment when their sweet little bundle of joy received his or her > > > > first needle (vaccination) every early on in life. While not > pleasant > > > > it gave me a big moment of 'AHA!'. The DOCTOR knows best! > > > > > > > > The DOCTOR does not know what is best, always, so we must remain > > > > watchful and not blasé about what the doctor (any and all > > > > disciplines) tells us for one thing constant about all 'healers' is > > > > that their opinions and prescriptions VARY! > > > > > > > > But GOD surely knows what is best? And yet we forget that and get > > > > impatient and all this urgency arises. The moment that an Ashram of > > > > Jyotish such as this turns into an Emergency or Casualty hospital > > > > everyone becomes anxious and despite the pain and suffering one > thing > > > > is certain. The faith in God and Infinite Wisdom is gone. > > > > > > > > Will healing ever take place in such a mind-set? Can faith in God, > > > > the God within us and in the lifeplan we have chosen, once lost -- > > > > will even astrological advice help us? Perhaps not as we see > > > > questions all over the place, questioning other astrologers and > their > > > > advice. > > > > > > > > Sometimes it is not the knowledge or experience that is lacking > from > > > > the astrological session, but the FAITH. Maybe GOD understands but > > > > does not react right away despite the internal pain felt! Like a > > > > parent who is watching his baby getting his first needle and crying > > > > like this is the end of the world. My heart goes out to the PARENT, > > > > though I know that the baby will come out stronger for the > experience! > > > > > > > > God Bless you all! > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 Dear Shri Rohini dada, Mechanically application of basics come out after knowing the basic objectives jyotish and practices come up after thorough aunderstanding of the subject. otherwise people look for medical applications model.Pwerhaps Internet media made many things to put for wrong approaches and wrong prescriptions too vrkrishnan --- On Wed, 1/28/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote: Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan Re: JUST SHARING OPENLY ... 28/1 Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 8:36 AM I thought it was pretty obvious, but here goes: I am noticing an increasing tendency amongst those who seek readings to treat jyotish solutions and remedies as a medical/diseae model. You have a headache, take the blue pill, if you have a stomach upset, take the green pill, if this or that system does not work, take the yellow pill and if that does not work there is injection. If all fails surgery is there. The reading seekers alone are not at fault. Prevailing jyotish writings and advice from many practitioners seems to indicate and reinforce that belief. There is just one problem. If the system of remedies were effective as expected for the healthcare model, then there would not be so many coming back again and again reporting that this or that or x number of astrologers prescribed to do this or something else and they are not getting any better. And each astrologer prescribed a different remedy. As I see it, jyotish has two basic functions. First is correct diagnosis (just like in the medical model). The next is the prescription of appropriate remedies where indicated or possible or deemed to be beneficial. This consideration must be not applied mechanically. In a physical disease model, there are powerful chemicals which will effect a change in most whether they believe in it or not. There are some subtle medicines and certain therapeutic modalities where a willingness and faith helps. In some of the psychotherapeutic measures for instance or what is known as placebo effect etc. There are many remedies that are prescribed by astrologers. In many cases it seems that the intent and other important details (spiritual state, the mental ambience, the appropriate setting in which to practice the spiritual remedies...etc, I think are not fully explained. One needs to have a deep faith in this not being a revengeful Creation or Universe and one that is governed by a higher Law and Order (as opposed to anarchy and chaos). One can recite one lakh and 25 thousand times some mantra like a parrot, or keep on fasting till cows come home or wear all kinds of gemstones and make the jeweller's happy and welcoming smile wider and brighter, but the disease remains untouched. Unless this victim mentality, " Why me? " and 'God is cruel' mantra goes on being chanted in the head or in one's heart while all the remedials are being practiced, the wheels of karma will remain stuck in the quigmire of induced-confusion! That is kind of what I was saying. Hopefully, it makes sense to some, regardless of their affiliation to a group, school, line of thinking, and whether they like me or what I write or not... Namastay! Rohiniranjan , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@. ..> wrote: > > Dear RRji > for me it was ok even if not stand alone in nature can get the link sure many more who r newer here WILL not so felt u can add why u put those lines to avoid any chain reaction IF ANY. > > so far so good. > > and YES all public messages can't be for private circulation, else groups will lose its purpouse. except the charged ones rest can be public > > prashant > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > Wednesday, January 28, 2009 10:58:33 AM > Re: JUST SHARING OPENLY ... 28/1 > > > Did you mean by any chance that " the rest of it is <?> stand alone? " . > > The " not " is creating confusion! > > And ... yes, each posting and message even when linked to the earlier > is a stand alone! > > As I recently posted/shared just before the eclipse struck some of > us -- messages posted on public fora such as this one that you > manage -- would have to be about sharing and chaining! > > Any exclusive and special messages that are felt like something that > cannot be responded to or added to or improved upon -- well those > would have to appear on private sites, right? > > Does that make sense to the forum? > > RR > > , Prashant Kumar G B > <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > Dear RRji, > > > > except the first 2 lines which talk abt the previous mesg, rest of > it is not stand alone. > > so I am sure members will be wondering what cud be its > significance, may be u can give it some more lines > > > > and abot KSY as a sole culprit for any factor is reaching > ridicilous proportions. if JSY can alone do so much harm then we > dont need astrolgoers at all these half baled ppl come around and > smear one or tow factors all the time be it Mangalik, KSY or some spl > stars as superior and no aflictions say Makha, Swati, Anuradha etc as > Maha nakshatras so no matching required > > Amavasya is the best Muhirtha so no lagna or anything needs to bee > seen as TAMILS do. > > ocassionally the Guru chandala yoga comes in for similar bashing > when so many applicable factors make the reading. > > > > this is not a subject for the fly by night or chicken hearted > > I hope they leave it to better equiped ones and just ask their > clients to seek better people after a glance like a general medical > practioner does refer to a Senior in that subject > > > > > > prashantr > > --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote: > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > JUST SHARING OPENLY ... > > > > Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 5:27 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant Kumar ji (whom I have always called Kumar ji > as a personal > > > > sambodhan) has written a beautiful message #55794 which led me to > > > > write what I share below. Some or perhaps many would not like it, > > > > choose to read it unapprovingly and perhaps in many other flavours, > > > > perspectives and levels of experience of human reality and so on ... > > > > > > > > It is unavoidable that there would be cliques and groups and > politics > > > > and so on in Jyotish, as would be elsewhere or in any other line of > > > > work or discipline or profession etc. > > > > > > > > I can truthfully (My dear and departed Mother who was my true > > > > inspiration into occultism would KNOW, if I would ever lie!) say > that > > > > over the many decades that I have travelled and explored the > *island* > > > > of occultism (including astrology) I have nearly completely > remained > > > > aloof and devoid of any political grouping or cliquing. For this I > > > > must thank the MA that made it exactly so! > > > > > > > > This does not make me more pious or spiritual, but > simply 'detached' > > > > in a sense. Perhaps a bit less biased -- not taking anything > claimed > > > > too seriously or each cyber-punch heading this way > > > > received 'LIGHTly', if you catch my drift :-) > > > > > > > > Over the years I have seen many nativities and even felt their > > > > anguish and urgency and shared a few dark moments with them trying > to > > > > understand and even empathize with their despondancy that arises > from > > > > the depth of their spirit and from the darker parts of their > current > > > > life-plan. > > > > > > > > Those who are parents would perhaps have experienced that dreaded > > > > moment when their sweet little bundle of joy received his or her > > > > first needle (vaccination) every early on in life. While not > pleasant > > > > it gave me a big moment of 'AHA!'. The DOCTOR knows best! > > > > > > > > The DOCTOR does not know what is best, always, so we must remain > > > > watchful and not blasé about what the doctor (any and all > > > > disciplines) tells us for one thing constant about all 'healers' is > > > > that their opinions and prescriptions VARY! > > > > > > > > But GOD surely knows what is best? And yet we forget that and get > > > > impatient and all this urgency arises. The moment that an Ashram of > > > > Jyotish such as this turns into an Emergency or Casualty hospital > > > > everyone becomes anxious and despite the pain and suffering one > thing > > > > is certain. The faith in God and Infinite Wisdom is gone. > > > > > > > > Will healing ever take place in such a mind-set? Can faith in God, > > > > the God within us and in the lifeplan we have chosen, once lost -- > > > > will even astrological advice help us? Perhaps not as we see > > > > questions all over the place, questioning other astrologers and > their > > > > advice. > > > > > > > > Sometimes it is not the knowledge or experience that is lacking > from > > > > the astrological session, but the FAITH. Maybe GOD understands but > > > > does not react right away despite the internal pain felt! Like a > > > > parent who is watching his baby getting his first needle and crying > > > > like this is the end of the world. My heart goes out to the PARENT, > > > > though I know that the baby will come out stronger for the > experience! > > > > > > > > God Bless you all! > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 Krishnan ji, It is sad but true that internet due to its speed and space has been responsible for the good, bad and the ugly in Jyotish, just as in many other areas and disciplines. Serious astrology simply cannot be done effectively on internet. It is too impersonal in contrast with a traditional human to human reading, which though slower is sustained. I am sure there will be practitioners who would disagree... RR , vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > Dear Shri Rohini dada, > Mechanically application of basics come out after knowing the basic objectives jyotish and practices come up after thorough aunderstanding of the subject. > otherwise people look for medical applications model.Pwerhaps Internet media made many things to put for wrong approaches and wrong prescriptions too > vrkrishnan > > --- On Wed, 1/28/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote: > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan > Re: JUST SHARING OPENLY ... 28/1 > > Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 8:36 AM > > > > > I thought it was pretty obvious, but here goes: > > > > I am noticing an increasing tendency amongst those who seek readings > > to treat jyotish solutions and remedies as a medical/diseae model. > > You have a headache, take the blue pill, if you have a stomach upset, > > take the green pill, if this or that system does not work, take the > > yellow pill and if that does not work there is injection. If all > > fails surgery is there. > > > > The reading seekers alone are not at fault. Prevailing jyotish > > writings and advice from many practitioners seems to indicate and > > reinforce that belief. There is just one problem. If the system of > > remedies were effective as expected for the healthcare model, then > > there would not be so many coming back again and again reporting that > > this or that or x number of astrologers prescribed to do this or > > something else and they are not getting any better. And each > > astrologer prescribed a different remedy. > > > > As I see it, jyotish has two basic functions. First is correct > > diagnosis (just like in the medical model). The next is the > > prescription of appropriate remedies where indicated or possible or > > deemed to be beneficial. This consideration must be not applied > > mechanically. In a physical disease model, there are powerful > > chemicals which will effect a change in most whether they believe in > > it or not. There are some subtle medicines and certain therapeutic > > modalities where a willingness and faith helps. In some of the > > psychotherapeutic measures for instance or what is known as placebo > > effect etc. > > > > There are many remedies that are prescribed by astrologers. In many > > cases it seems that the intent and other important details (spiritual > > state, the mental ambience, the appropriate setting in which to > > practice the spiritual remedies...etc, I think are not fully > > explained. One needs to have a deep faith in this not being a > > revengeful Creation or Universe and one that is governed by a higher > > Law and Order (as opposed to anarchy and chaos). One can recite one > > lakh and 25 thousand times some mantra like a parrot, or keep on > > fasting till cows come home or wear all kinds of gemstones and make > > the jeweller's happy and welcoming smile wider and brighter, but the > > disease remains untouched. Unless this victim mentality, " Why me? " > > and 'God is cruel' mantra goes on being chanted in the head or in > > one's heart while all the remedials are being practiced, the wheels > > of karma will remain stuck in the quigmire of induced-confusion! > > > > That is kind of what I was saying. Hopefully, it makes sense to some, > > regardless of their affiliation to a group, school, line of thinking, > > and whether they like me or what I write or not... > > > > Namastay! > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > Dear RRji > > > for me it was ok even if not stand alone in nature can get the link > > sure many more who r newer here WILL not so felt u can add why u put > > those lines to avoid any chain reaction IF ANY. > > > > > > so far so good. > > > > > > and YES all public messages can't be for private circulation, else > > groups will lose its purpouse. except the charged ones rest can be > > public > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > Wednesday, January 28, 2009 10:58:33 AM > > > Re: JUST SHARING OPENLY ... 28/1 > > > > > > > > > Did you mean by any chance that " the rest of it is <?> stand > > alone? " . > > > > > > The " not " is creating confusion! > > > > > > And ... yes, each posting and message even when linked to the > > earlier > > > is a stand alone! > > > > > > As I recently posted/shared just before the eclipse struck some of > > > us -- messages posted on public fora such as this one that you > > > manage -- would have to be about sharing and chaining! > > > > > > Any exclusive and special messages that are felt like something > > that > > > cannot be responded to or added to or improved upon -- well those > > > would have to appear on private sites, right? > > > > > > Does that make sense to the forum? > > > > > > RR > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, > > > > > > > > except the first 2 lines which talk abt the previous mesg, rest > > of > > > it is not stand alone. > > > > so I am sure members will be wondering what cud be its > > > significance, may be u can give it some more lines > > > > > > > > and abot KSY as a sole culprit for any factor is reaching > > > ridicilous proportions. if JSY can alone do so much harm then we > > > dont need astrolgoers at all these half baled ppl come around and > > > smear one or tow factors all the time be it Mangalik, KSY or some > > spl > > > stars as superior and no aflictions say Makha, Swati, Anuradha etc > > as > > > Maha nakshatras so no matching required > > > > Amavasya is the best Muhirtha so no lagna or anything needs to > > bee > > > seen as TAMILS do. > > > > ocassionally the Guru chandala yoga comes in for similar bashing > > > when so many applicable factors make the reading. > > > > > > > > this is not a subject for the fly by night or chicken hearted > > > > I hope they leave it to better equiped ones and just ask their > > > clients to seek better people after a glance like a general medical > > > practioner does refer to a Senior in that subject > > > > > > > > > > > > prashantr > > > > --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote: > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > JUST SHARING OPENLY ... > > > > > > > > Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 5:27 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant Kumar ji (whom I have always called Kumar ji > > > as a personal > > > > > > > > sambodhan) has written a beautiful message #55794 which led me to > > > > > > > > write what I share below. Some or perhaps many would not like it, > > > > > > > > choose to read it unapprovingly and perhaps in many other > > flavours, > > > > > > > > perspectives and levels of experience of human reality and so > > on ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is unavoidable that there would be cliques and groups and > > > politics > > > > > > > > and so on in Jyotish, as would be elsewhere or in any other line > > of > > > > > > > > work or discipline or profession etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can truthfully (My dear and departed Mother who was my true > > > > > > > > inspiration into occultism would KNOW, if I would ever lie!) say > > > that > > > > > > > > over the many decades that I have travelled and explored the > > > *island* > > > > > > > > of occultism (including astrology) I have nearly completely > > > remained > > > > > > > > aloof and devoid of any political grouping or cliquing. For this > > I > > > > > > > > must thank the MA that made it exactly so! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This does not make me more pious or spiritual, but > > > simply 'detached' > > > > > > > > in a sense. Perhaps a bit less biased -- not taking anything > > > claimed > > > > > > > > too seriously or each cyber-punch heading this way > > > > > > > > received 'LIGHTly', if you catch my drift :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Over the years I have seen many nativities and even felt their > > > > > > > > anguish and urgency and shared a few dark moments with them > > trying > > > to > > > > > > > > understand and even empathize with their despondancy that arises > > > from > > > > > > > > the depth of their spirit and from the darker parts of their > > > current > > > > > > > > life-plan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who are parents would perhaps have experienced that dreaded > > > > > > > > moment when their sweet little bundle of joy received his or her > > > > > > > > first needle (vaccination) every early on in life. While not > > > pleasant > > > > > > > > it gave me a big moment of 'AHA!'. The DOCTOR knows best! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The DOCTOR does not know what is best, always, so we must remain > > > > > > > > watchful and not blasé about what the doctor (any and all > > > > > > > > disciplines) tells us for one thing constant about all 'healers' > > is > > > > > > > > that their opinions and prescriptions VARY! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But GOD surely knows what is best? And yet we forget that and get > > > > > > > > impatient and all this urgency arises. The moment that an Ashram > > of > > > > > > > > Jyotish such as this turns into an Emergency or Casualty hospital > > > > > > > > everyone becomes anxious and despite the pain and suffering one > > > thing > > > > > > > > is certain. The faith in God and Infinite Wisdom is gone. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Will healing ever take place in such a mind-set? Can faith in > > God, > > > > > > > > the God within us and in the lifeplan we have chosen, once lost -- > > > > > > > > > > will even astrological advice help us? Perhaps not as we see > > > > > > > > questions all over the place, questioning other astrologers and > > > their > > > > > > > > advice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes it is not the knowledge or experience that is lacking > > > from > > > > > > > > the astrological session, but the FAITH. Maybe GOD understands > > but > > > > > > > > does not react right away despite the internal pain felt! Like a > > > > > > > > parent who is watching his baby getting his first needle and > > crying > > > > > > > > like this is the end of the world. My heart goes out to the > > PARENT, > > > > > > > > though I know that the baby will come out stronger for the > > > experience! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > God Bless you all! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 dear friends yes, internet has done more good to the receptive free for all and bad to those who resist change. thanks to internet, the entire world is living in an advanced developed technologically benefited situation and so are old traditional services that too turned net savvy. internet truly has created a global village sans boundaries and astrologers as well as natives all can reach one another easily. some members may be vocal in highlighting the futility of internet while there are outnumbering members who find the utility of internet. more than ninety percent of my satisfied customers have never seen or met me and have contacted only through phone or net and they all got what they wanted. for those who could meet one to one, it is better but if they could not, no regret either. regarding serious astrology learning or teaching or reading, these days many astro classics are available online freely and so are various astro school students having their own groups and blogs. internet truly has contributed greatly in spreading the light of jyotish. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy.com , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan wrote: > > Krishnan ji, > > It is sad but true that internet due to its speed and space has been > responsible for the good, bad and the ugly in Jyotish, just as in > many other areas and disciplines. > > Serious astrology simply cannot be done effectively on internet. It > is too impersonal in contrast with a traditional human to human > reading, which though slower is sustained. I am sure there will be > practitioners who would disagree... > > RR > > , vattem krishnan > <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > Dear Shri Rohini dada, > > Mechanically application of basics come out after knowing the basic > objectives jyotish and practices come up after thorough > aunderstanding of the subject. > > otherwise people look for medical applications model.Pwerhaps > Internet media made many things to put for wrong approaches and wrong > prescriptions too > > vrkrishnan > > > > --- On Wed, 1/28/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@> > > Re: JUST SHARING OPENLY ... 28/1 > > > > Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 8:36 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I thought it was pretty obvious, but here goes: > > > > > > > > I am noticing an increasing tendency amongst those who seek > readings > > > > to treat jyotish solutions and remedies as a medical/diseae model. > > > > You have a headache, take the blue pill, if you have a stomach > upset, > > > > take the green pill, if this or that system does not work, take the > > > > yellow pill and if that does not work there is injection. If all > > > > fails surgery is there. > > > > > > > > The reading seekers alone are not at fault. Prevailing jyotish > > > > writings and advice from many practitioners seems to indicate and > > > > reinforce that belief. There is just one problem. If the system of > > > > remedies were effective as expected for the healthcare model, then > > > > there would not be so many coming back again and again reporting > that > > > > this or that or x number of astrologers prescribed to do this or > > > > something else and they are not getting any better. And each > > > > astrologer prescribed a different remedy. > > > > > > > > As I see it, jyotish has two basic functions. First is correct > > > > diagnosis (just like in the medical model). The next is the > > > > prescription of appropriate remedies where indicated or possible or > > > > deemed to be beneficial. This consideration must be not applied > > > > mechanically. In a physical disease model, there are powerful > > > > chemicals which will effect a change in most whether they believe > in > > > > it or not. There are some subtle medicines and certain therapeutic > > > > modalities where a willingness and faith helps. In some of the > > > > psychotherapeutic measures for instance or what is known as placebo > > > > effect etc. > > > > > > > > There are many remedies that are prescribed by astrologers. In many > > > > cases it seems that the intent and other important details > (spiritual > > > > state, the mental ambience, the appropriate setting in which to > > > > practice the spiritual remedies...etc, I think are not fully > > > > explained. One needs to have a deep faith in this not being a > > > > revengeful Creation or Universe and one that is governed by a > higher > > > > Law and Order (as opposed to anarchy and chaos). One can recite one > > > > lakh and 25 thousand times some mantra like a parrot, or keep on > > > > fasting till cows come home or wear all kinds of gemstones and make > > > > the jeweller's happy and welcoming smile wider and brighter, but > the > > > > disease remains untouched. Unless this victim mentality, " Why me? " > > > > and 'God is cruel' mantra goes on being chanted in the head or in > > > > one's heart while all the remedials are being practiced, the wheels > > > > of karma will remain stuck in the quigmire of induced-confusion! > > > > > > > > That is kind of what I was saying. Hopefully, it makes sense to > some, > > > > regardless of their affiliation to a group, school, line of > thinking, > > > > and whether they like me or what I write or not... > > > > > > > > Namastay! > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > > <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji > > > > > for me it was ok even if not stand alone in nature can get the > link > > > > sure many more who r newer here WILL not so felt u can add why u > put > > > > those lines to avoid any chain reaction IF ANY. > > > > > > > > > > so far so good. > > > > > > > > > > and YES all public messages can't be for private circulation, > else > > > > groups will lose its purpouse. except the charged ones rest can be > > > > public > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, January 28, 2009 10:58:33 AM > > > > > Re: JUST SHARING OPENLY ... 28/1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you mean by any chance that " the rest of it is <?> stand > > > > alone? " . > > > > > > > > > > The " not " is creating confusion! > > > > > > > > > > And ... yes, each posting and message even when linked to the > > > > earlier > > > > > is a stand alone! > > > > > > > > > > As I recently posted/shared just before the eclipse struck some > of > > > > > us -- messages posted on public fora such as this one that you > > > > > manage -- would have to be about sharing and chaining! > > > > > > > > > > Any exclusive and special messages that are felt like something > > > > that > > > > > cannot be responded to or added to or improved upon -- well those > > > > > would have to appear on private sites, right? > > > > > > > > > > Does that make sense to the forum? > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > > > <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, > > > > > > > > > > > > except the first 2 lines which talk abt the previous mesg, rest > > > > of > > > > > it is not stand alone. > > > > > > so I am sure members will be wondering what cud be its > > > > > significance, may be u can give it some more lines > > > > > > > > > > > > and abot KSY as a sole culprit for any factor is reaching > > > > > ridicilous proportions. if JSY can alone do so much harm then we > > > > > dont need astrolgoers at all these half baled ppl come around and > > > > > smear one or tow factors all the time be it Mangalik, KSY or some > > > > spl > > > > > stars as superior and no aflictions say Makha, Swati, Anuradha > etc > > > > as > > > > > Maha nakshatras so no matching required > > > > > > Amavasya is the best Muhirtha so no lagna or anything needs to > > > > bee > > > > > seen as TAMILS do. > > > > > > ocassionally the Guru chandala yoga comes in for similar > bashing > > > > > when so many applicable factors make the reading. > > > > > > > > > > > > this is not a subject for the fly by night or chicken hearted > > > > > > I hope they leave it to better equiped ones and just ask their > > > > > clients to seek better people after a glance like a general > medical > > > > > practioner does refer to a Senior in that subject > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashantr > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > JUST SHARING OPENLY ... > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 5:27 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant Kumar ji (whom I have always called Kumar > ji > > > > > as a personal > > > > > > > > > > > > sambodhan) has written a beautiful message #55794 which led me > to > > > > > > > > > > > > write what I share below. Some or perhaps many would not like > it, > > > > > > > > > > > > choose to read it unapprovingly and perhaps in many other > > > > flavours, > > > > > > > > > > > > perspectives and levels of experience of human reality and so > > > > on ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is unavoidable that there would be cliques and groups and > > > > > politics > > > > > > > > > > > > and so on in Jyotish, as would be elsewhere or in any other > line > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > work or discipline or profession etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can truthfully (My dear and departed Mother who was my true > > > > > > > > > > > > inspiration into occultism would KNOW, if I would ever lie!) > say > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > over the many decades that I have travelled and explored the > > > > > *island* > > > > > > > > > > > > of occultism (including astrology) I have nearly completely > > > > > remained > > > > > > > > > > > > aloof and devoid of any political grouping or cliquing. For > this > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > must thank the MA that made it exactly so! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This does not make me more pious or spiritual, but > > > > > simply 'detached' > > > > > > > > > > > > in a sense. Perhaps a bit less biased -- not taking anything > > > > > claimed > > > > > > > > > > > > too seriously or each cyber-punch heading this way > > > > > > > > > > > > received 'LIGHTly', if you catch my drift :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Over the years I have seen many nativities and even felt their > > > > > > > > > > > > anguish and urgency and shared a few dark moments with them > > > > trying > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > understand and even empathize with their despondancy that > arises > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > the depth of their spirit and from the darker parts of their > > > > > current > > > > > > > > > > > > life-plan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who are parents would perhaps have experienced that > dreaded > > > > > > > > > > > > moment when their sweet little bundle of joy received his or > her > > > > > > > > > > > > first needle (vaccination) every early on in life. While not > > > > > pleasant > > > > > > > > > > > > it gave me a big moment of 'AHA!'. The DOCTOR knows best! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The DOCTOR does not know what is best, always, so we must > remain > > > > > > > > > > > > watchful and not blasé about what the doctor (any and all > > > > > > > > > > > > disciplines) tells us for one thing constant about > all 'healers' > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > that their opinions and prescriptions VARY! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But GOD surely knows what is best? And yet we forget that and > get > > > > > > > > > > > > impatient and all this urgency arises. The moment that an > Ashram > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish such as this turns into an Emergency or Casualty > hospital > > > > > > > > > > > > everyone becomes anxious and despite the pain and suffering one > > > > > thing > > > > > > > > > > > > is certain. The faith in God and Infinite Wisdom is gone. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Will healing ever take place in such a mind-set? Can faith in > > > > God, > > > > > > > > > > > > the God within us and in the lifeplan we have chosen, once > lost -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will even astrological advice help us? Perhaps not as we see > > > > > > > > > > > > questions all over the place, questioning other astrologers and > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > > > > advice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes it is not the knowledge or experience that is lacking > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > the astrological session, but the FAITH. Maybe GOD understands > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > does not react right away despite the internal pain felt! Like > a > > > > > > > > > > > > parent who is watching his baby getting his first needle and > > > > crying > > > > > > > > > > > > like this is the end of the world. My heart goes out to the > > > > PARENT, > > > > > > > > > > > > though I know that the baby will come out stronger for the > > > > > experience! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > God Bless you all! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 Dear Arjun ji, You may have misunderstood me. :-) If you are giving a one on one, reading you are following the traditional approach with 'electronic' enhancement. This would include chat or video or telephone conversation etc. The important thing is the 'real time' interaction. This is somewhat difficult to achieve through emails or forum exchanges. Unfortunately, and you may choose to disagree with me -- while information exists in huge amounts on the internet, errors, omissions, insertions, modifications are easier to occur. In the slower medium there was some amount of review, editorial control etc. I suppose CAVEAT EMPTOR applies perhaps more stringently on internet information. Rohiniranjan , " panditarjun2004 " <panditarjun2004 wrote: > > dear friends > > yes, internet has done more good to the receptive free for all and > bad to those who resist change. > > thanks to internet, the entire world is living in an advanced > developed technologically benefited situation and so are old > traditional services that too turned net savvy. > > internet truly has created a global village sans boundaries and > astrologers as well as natives all can reach one another easily. > > some members may be vocal in highlighting the futility of internet > while there are outnumbering members who find the utility of > internet. more than ninety percent of my satisfied customers have > never seen or met me and have contacted only through phone or net and > they all got what they wanted. for those who could meet one to one, > it is better but if they could not, no regret either. > > regarding serious astrology learning or teaching or reading, these > days many astro classics are available online freely and so are > various astro school students having their own groups and blogs. > internet truly has contributed greatly in spreading the light of > jyotish. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > , " Rohiniranjan " > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > Krishnan ji, > > > > It is sad but true that internet due to its speed and space has > been > > responsible for the good, bad and the ugly in Jyotish, just as in > > many other areas and disciplines. > > > > Serious astrology simply cannot be done effectively on internet. It > > is too impersonal in contrast with a traditional human to human > > reading, which though slower is sustained. I am sure there will be > > practitioners who would disagree... > > > > RR > > > > , vattem krishnan > > <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Shri Rohini dada, > > > Mechanically application of basics come out after knowing the > basic > > objectives jyotish and practices come up after thorough > > aunderstanding of the subject. > > > otherwise people look for medical applications model.Pwerhaps > > Internet media made many things to put for wrong approaches and > wrong > > prescriptions too > > > vrkrishnan > > > > > > --- On Wed, 1/28/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@> > > > Re: JUST SHARING OPENLY ... 28/1 > > > > > > Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 8:36 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I thought it was pretty obvious, but here goes: > > > > > > > > > > > > I am noticing an increasing tendency amongst those who seek > > readings > > > > > > to treat jyotish solutions and remedies as a medical/diseae > model. > > > > > > You have a headache, take the blue pill, if you have a stomach > > upset, > > > > > > take the green pill, if this or that system does not work, take > the > > > > > > yellow pill and if that does not work there is injection. If all > > > > > > fails surgery is there. > > > > > > > > > > > > The reading seekers alone are not at fault. Prevailing jyotish > > > > > > writings and advice from many practitioners seems to indicate and > > > > > > reinforce that belief. There is just one problem. If the system > of > > > > > > remedies were effective as expected for the healthcare model, > then > > > > > > there would not be so many coming back again and again reporting > > that > > > > > > this or that or x number of astrologers prescribed to do this or > > > > > > something else and they are not getting any better. And each > > > > > > astrologer prescribed a different remedy. > > > > > > > > > > > > As I see it, jyotish has two basic functions. First is correct > > > > > > diagnosis (just like in the medical model). The next is the > > > > > > prescription of appropriate remedies where indicated or possible > or > > > > > > deemed to be beneficial. This consideration must be not applied > > > > > > mechanically. In a physical disease model, there are powerful > > > > > > chemicals which will effect a change in most whether they believe > > in > > > > > > it or not. There are some subtle medicines and certain > therapeutic > > > > > > modalities where a willingness and faith helps. In some of the > > > > > > psychotherapeutic measures for instance or what is known as > placebo > > > > > > effect etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > There are many remedies that are prescribed by astrologers. In > many > > > > > > cases it seems that the intent and other important details > > (spiritual > > > > > > state, the mental ambience, the appropriate setting in which to > > > > > > practice the spiritual remedies...etc, I think are not fully > > > > > > explained. One needs to have a deep faith in this not being a > > > > > > revengeful Creation or Universe and one that is governed by a > > higher > > > > > > Law and Order (as opposed to anarchy and chaos). One can recite > one > > > > > > lakh and 25 thousand times some mantra like a parrot, or keep on > > > > > > fasting till cows come home or wear all kinds of gemstones and > make > > > > > > the jeweller's happy and welcoming smile wider and brighter, but > > the > > > > > > disease remains untouched. Unless this victim mentality, " Why > me? " > > > > > > and 'God is cruel' mantra goes on being chanted in the head or in > > > > > > one's heart while all the remedials are being practiced, the > wheels > > > > > > of karma will remain stuck in the quigmire of induced-confusion! > > > > > > > > > > > > That is kind of what I was saying. Hopefully, it makes sense to > > some, > > > > > > regardless of their affiliation to a group, school, line of > > thinking, > > > > > > and whether they like me or what I write or not... > > > > > > > > > > > > Namastay! > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > > > > <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji > > > > > > > for me it was ok even if not stand alone in nature can get the > > link > > > > > > sure many more who r newer here WILL not so felt u can add why u > > put > > > > > > those lines to avoid any chain reaction IF ANY. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so far so good. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and YES all public messages can't be for private circulation, > > else > > > > > > groups will lose its purpouse. except the charged ones rest can > be > > > > > > public > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, January 28, 2009 10:58:33 AM > > > > > > > Re: JUST SHARING OPENLY ... 28/1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you mean by any chance that " the rest of it is <?> stand > > > > > > alone? " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The " not " is creating confusion! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And ... yes, each posting and message even when linked to the > > > > > > earlier > > > > > > > is a stand alone! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I recently posted/shared just before the eclipse struck some > > of > > > > > > > us -- messages posted on public fora such as this one that you > > > > > > > manage -- would have to be about sharing and chaining! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any exclusive and special messages that are felt like something > > > > > > that > > > > > > > cannot be responded to or added to or improved upon -- well > those > > > > > > > would have to appear on private sites, right? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does that make sense to the forum? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > > > > > <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > except the first 2 lines which talk abt the previous mesg, > rest > > > > > > of > > > > > > > it is not stand alone. > > > > > > > > so I am sure members will be wondering what cud be its > > > > > > > significance, may be u can give it some more lines > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and abot KSY as a sole culprit for any factor is reaching > > > > > > > ridicilous proportions. if JSY can alone do so much harm then > we > > > > > > > dont need astrolgoers at all these half baled ppl come around > and > > > > > > > smear one or tow factors all the time be it Mangalik, KSY or > some > > > > > > spl > > > > > > > stars as superior and no aflictions say Makha, Swati, Anuradha > > etc > > > > > > as > > > > > > > Maha nakshatras so no matching required > > > > > > > > Amavasya is the best Muhirtha so no lagna or anything needs > to > > > > > > bee > > > > > > > seen as TAMILS do. > > > > > > > > ocassionally the Guru chandala yoga comes in for similar > > bashing > > > > > > > when so many applicable factors make the reading. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is not a subject for the fly by night or chicken hearted > > > > > > > > I hope they leave it to better equiped ones and just ask > their > > > > > > > clients to seek better people after a glance like a general > > medical > > > > > > > practioner does refer to a Senior in that subject > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashantr > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > > > JUST SHARING OPENLY ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 5:27 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant Kumar ji (whom I have always called > Kumar > > ji > > > > > > > as a personal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sambodhan) has written a beautiful message #55794 which led > me > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > write what I share below. Some or perhaps many would not like > > it, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > choose to read it unapprovingly and perhaps in many other > > > > > > flavours, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > perspectives and levels of experience of human reality and so > > > > > > on ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is unavoidable that there would be cliques and groups and > > > > > > > politics > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and so on in Jyotish, as would be elsewhere or in any other > > line > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > work or discipline or profession etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can truthfully (My dear and departed Mother who was my true > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inspiration into occultism would KNOW, if I would ever lie!) > > say > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > over the many decades that I have travelled and explored the > > > > > > > *island* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of occultism (including astrology) I have nearly completely > > > > > > > remained > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aloof and devoid of any political grouping or cliquing. For > > this > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must thank the MA that made it exactly so! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This does not make me more pious or spiritual, but > > > > > > > simply 'detached' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a sense. Perhaps a bit less biased -- not taking anything > > > > > > > claimed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > too seriously or each cyber-punch heading this way > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > received 'LIGHTly', if you catch my drift :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Over the years I have seen many nativities and even felt > their > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anguish and urgency and shared a few dark moments with them > > > > > > trying > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand and even empathize with their despondancy that > > arises > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the depth of their spirit and from the darker parts of their > > > > > > > current > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life-plan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who are parents would perhaps have experienced that > > dreaded > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moment when their sweet little bundle of joy received his or > > her > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first needle (vaccination) every early on in life. While not > > > > > > > pleasant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it gave me a big moment of 'AHA!'. The DOCTOR knows best! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The DOCTOR does not know what is best, always, so we must > > remain > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > watchful and not blasé about what the doctor (any and all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > disciplines) tells us for one thing constant about > > all 'healers' > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that their opinions and prescriptions VARY! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But GOD surely knows what is best? And yet we forget that and > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > impatient and all this urgency arises. The moment that an > > Ashram > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish such as this turns into an Emergency or Casualty > > hospital > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > everyone becomes anxious and despite the pain and suffering > one > > > > > > > thing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is certain. The faith in God and Infinite Wisdom is gone. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Will healing ever take place in such a mind-set? Can faith in > > > > > > God, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the God within us and in the lifeplan we have chosen, once > > lost -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will even astrological advice help us? Perhaps not as we see > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > questions all over the place, questioning other astrologers > and > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > advice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes it is not the knowledge or experience that is > lacking > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the astrological session, but the FAITH. Maybe GOD > understands > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does not react right away despite the internal pain felt! > Like > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > parent who is watching his baby getting his first needle and > > > > > > crying > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like this is the end of the world. My heart goes out to the > > > > > > PARENT, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > though I know that the baby will come out stronger for the > > > > > > > experience! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > God Bless you all! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 dear RRji your views are correct and my take is about the positive side of internet or the convenience, privacy and freedom it gives the users. internet has its own disadvantages like we dont know the gender of the person as sometimes men fake as women and women fake as men. sometimes astrologers pose as querents and there are spammers too. but imagine before the western invented electricity bulb, the priests usd to batti and oil to let the god in the dark sanctum sanctorum visible. now you visit any famous shrine in india and you find electric bulbs and even airconditioning systems in place. so, technology has its own advantages. writing a letter with a personal touch used to move the receipient with all emotions but these days people stopped writing letters and using the western invented telephone, mobile phone or using webcam to see and chat. surely technology made two people in two countries see each other and talk each other live as if it is a miracle or maya. same is the case with banking where deposit, transfer or withdrawal used to take several days. now instantly it gets done online and lo, you even get an sms in your phone too. surely, technology has done its best part to help the world have a better living. specific to astrology, several astro classics with easy to search particular chapter or verse are avaialble FREELY online. research works or analytical papers by expert astrologers on special yogas and issues are also available freely on the net. another advantage of internet based astrology is that if an astrologer says something, he knows beforehand that there are 1001 other astrologers out there to agree, disagree or criticise in healthy discussions. sometimes we find some irritations too in internet like the lalits who spit vitriol or those virus generated slang messages. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy.com , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan wrote: > > Dear Arjun ji, > > You may have misunderstood me. :-) > If you are giving a one on one, reading you are following the > traditional approach with 'electronic' enhancement. This would > include chat or video or telephone conversation etc. The important > thing is the 'real time' interaction. This is somewhat difficult to > achieve through emails or forum exchanges. > > Unfortunately, and you may choose to disagree with me -- while > information exists in huge amounts on the internet, errors, > omissions, insertions, modifications are easier to occur. In the > slower medium there was some amount of review, editorial control etc. > I suppose CAVEAT EMPTOR applies perhaps more stringently on internet > information. > > Rohiniranjan > > , " panditarjun2004 " > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > dear friends > > > > yes, internet has done more good to the receptive free for all and > > bad to those who resist change. > > > > thanks to internet, the entire world is living in an advanced > > developed technologically benefited situation and so are old > > traditional services that too turned net savvy. > > > > internet truly has created a global village sans boundaries and > > astrologers as well as natives all can reach one another easily. > > > > some members may be vocal in highlighting the futility of internet > > while there are outnumbering members who find the utility of > > internet. more than ninety percent of my satisfied customers have > > never seen or met me and have contacted only through phone or net > and > > they all got what they wanted. for those who could meet one to > one, > > it is better but if they could not, no regret either. > > > > regarding serious astrology learning or teaching or reading, these > > days many astro classics are available online freely and so are > > various astro school students having their own groups and blogs. > > internet truly has contributed greatly in spreading the light of > > jyotish. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > > > Krishnan ji, > > > > > > It is sad but true that internet due to its speed and space has > > been > > > responsible for the good, bad and the ugly in Jyotish, just as in > > > many other areas and disciplines. > > > > > > Serious astrology simply cannot be done effectively on internet. > It > > > is too impersonal in contrast with a traditional human to human > > > reading, which though slower is sustained. I am sure there will > be > > > practitioners who would disagree... > > > > > > RR > > > > > > , vattem krishnan > > > <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Rohini dada, > > > > Mechanically application of basics come out after knowing the > > basic > > > objectives jyotish and practices come up after thorough > > > aunderstanding of the subject. > > > > otherwise people look for medical applications model.Pwerhaps > > > Internet media made many things to put for wrong approaches and > > wrong > > > prescriptions too > > > > vrkrishnan > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 1/28/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@> > > > > Re: JUST SHARING OPENLY ... 28/1 > > > > > > > > Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 8:36 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I thought it was pretty obvious, but here goes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am noticing an increasing tendency amongst those who seek > > > readings > > > > > > > > to treat jyotish solutions and remedies as a medical/diseae > > model. > > > > > > > > You have a headache, take the blue pill, if you have a stomach > > > upset, > > > > > > > > take the green pill, if this or that system does not work, take > > the > > > > > > > > yellow pill and if that does not work there is injection. If > all > > > > > > > > fails surgery is there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The reading seekers alone are not at fault. Prevailing jyotish > > > > > > > > writings and advice from many practitioners seems to indicate > and > > > > > > > > reinforce that belief. There is just one problem. If the system > > of > > > > > > > > remedies were effective as expected for the healthcare model, > > then > > > > > > > > there would not be so many coming back again and again > reporting > > > that > > > > > > > > this or that or x number of astrologers prescribed to do this > or > > > > > > > > something else and they are not getting any better. And each > > > > > > > > astrologer prescribed a different remedy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I see it, jyotish has two basic functions. First is correct > > > > > > > > diagnosis (just like in the medical model). The next is the > > > > > > > > prescription of appropriate remedies where indicated or > possible > > or > > > > > > > > deemed to be beneficial. This consideration must be not applied > > > > > > > > mechanically. In a physical disease model, there are powerful > > > > > > > > chemicals which will effect a change in most whether they > believe > > > in > > > > > > > > it or not. There are some subtle medicines and certain > > therapeutic > > > > > > > > modalities where a willingness and faith helps. In some of the > > > > > > > > psychotherapeutic measures for instance or what is known as > > placebo > > > > > > > > effect etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are many remedies that are prescribed by astrologers. In > > many > > > > > > > > cases it seems that the intent and other important details > > > (spiritual > > > > > > > > state, the mental ambience, the appropriate setting in which to > > > > > > > > practice the spiritual remedies...etc, I think are not fully > > > > > > > > explained. One needs to have a deep faith in this not being a > > > > > > > > revengeful Creation or Universe and one that is governed by a > > > higher > > > > > > > > Law and Order (as opposed to anarchy and chaos). One can recite > > one > > > > > > > > lakh and 25 thousand times some mantra like a parrot, or keep > on > > > > > > > > fasting till cows come home or wear all kinds of gemstones and > > make > > > > > > > > the jeweller's happy and welcoming smile wider and brighter, > but > > > the > > > > > > > > disease remains untouched. Unless this victim mentality, " Why > > me? " > > > > > > > > and 'God is cruel' mantra goes on being chanted in the head or > in > > > > > > > > one's heart while all the remedials are being practiced, the > > wheels > > > > > > > > of karma will remain stuck in the quigmire of induced- confusion! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is kind of what I was saying. Hopefully, it makes sense to > > > some, > > > > > > > > regardless of their affiliation to a group, school, line of > > > thinking, > > > > > > > > and whether they like me or what I write or not... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namastay! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > > > > > > <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji > > > > > > > > > for me it was ok even if not stand alone in nature can get > the > > > link > > > > > > > > sure many more who r newer here WILL not so felt u can add why > u > > > put > > > > > > > > those lines to avoid any chain reaction IF ANY. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so far so good. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and YES all public messages can't be for private circulation, > > > else > > > > > > > > groups will lose its purpouse. except the charged ones rest can > > be > > > > > > > > public > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, January 28, 2009 10:58:33 AM > > > > > > > > > Re: JUST SHARING OPENLY ... 28/1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you mean by any chance that " the rest of it is <?> stand > > > > > > > > alone? " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The " not " is creating confusion! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And ... yes, each posting and message even when linked to the > > > > > > > > earlier > > > > > > > > > is a stand alone! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I recently posted/shared just before the eclipse struck > some > > > of > > > > > > > > > us -- messages posted on public fora such as this one that > you > > > > > > > > > manage -- would have to be about sharing and chaining! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any exclusive and special messages that are felt like > something > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > cannot be responded to or added to or improved upon -- well > > those > > > > > > > > > would have to appear on private sites, right? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does that make sense to the forum? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > > > > > > > <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > except the first 2 lines which talk abt the previous mesg, > > rest > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > it is not stand alone. > > > > > > > > > > so I am sure members will be wondering what cud be its > > > > > > > > > significance, may be u can give it some more lines > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and abot KSY as a sole culprit for any factor is reaching > > > > > > > > > ridicilous proportions. if JSY can alone do so much harm > then > > we > > > > > > > > > dont need astrolgoers at all these half baled ppl come around > > and > > > > > > > > > smear one or tow factors all the time be it Mangalik, KSY or > > some > > > > > > > > spl > > > > > > > > > stars as superior and no aflictions say Makha, Swati, > Anuradha > > > etc > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > Maha nakshatras so no matching required > > > > > > > > > > Amavasya is the best Muhirtha so no lagna or anything needs > > to > > > > > > > > bee > > > > > > > > > seen as TAMILS do. > > > > > > > > > > ocassionally the Guru chandala yoga comes in for similar > > > bashing > > > > > > > > > when so many applicable factors make the reading. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is not a subject for the fly by night or chicken > hearted > > > > > > > > > > I hope they leave it to better equiped ones and just ask > > their > > > > > > > > > clients to seek better people after a glance like a general > > > medical > > > > > > > > > practioner does refer to a Senior in that subject > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashantr > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > JUST SHARING OPENLY ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 5:27 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant Kumar ji (whom I have always called > > Kumar > > > ji > > > > > > > > > as a personal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sambodhan) has written a beautiful message #55794 which led > > me > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > write what I share below. Some or perhaps many would not > like > > > it, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > choose to read it unapprovingly and perhaps in many other > > > > > > > > flavours, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > perspectives and levels of experience of human reality and > so > > > > > > > > on ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is unavoidable that there would be cliques and groups > and > > > > > > > > > politics > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and so on in Jyotish, as would be elsewhere or in any other > > > line > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > work or discipline or profession etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can truthfully (My dear and departed Mother who was my > true > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inspiration into occultism would KNOW, if I would ever > lie!) > > > say > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > over the many decades that I have travelled and explored > the > > > > > > > > > *island* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of occultism (including astrology) I have nearly completely > > > > > > > > > remained > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aloof and devoid of any political grouping or cliquing. For > > > this > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must thank the MA that made it exactly so! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This does not make me more pious or spiritual, but > > > > > > > > > simply 'detached' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a sense. Perhaps a bit less biased -- not taking > anything > > > > > > > > > claimed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > too seriously or each cyber-punch heading this way > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > received 'LIGHTly', if you catch my drift :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Over the years I have seen many nativities and even felt > > their > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anguish and urgency and shared a few dark moments with them > > > > > > > > trying > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand and even empathize with their despondancy that > > > arises > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the depth of their spirit and from the darker parts of > their > > > > > > > > > current > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life-plan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who are parents would perhaps have experienced that > > > dreaded > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moment when their sweet little bundle of joy received his > or > > > her > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first needle (vaccination) every early on in life. While > not > > > > > > > > > pleasant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it gave me a big moment of 'AHA!'. The DOCTOR knows best! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The DOCTOR does not know what is best, always, so we must > > > remain > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > watchful and not blasé about what the doctor (any and all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > disciplines) tells us for one thing constant about > > > all 'healers' > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that their opinions and prescriptions VARY! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But GOD surely knows what is best? And yet we forget that > and > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > impatient and all this urgency arises. The moment that an > > > Ashram > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish such as this turns into an Emergency or Casualty > > > hospital > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > everyone becomes anxious and despite the pain and suffering > > one > > > > > > > > > thing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is certain. The faith in God and Infinite Wisdom is gone. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Will healing ever take place in such a mind-set? Can faith > in > > > > > > > > God, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the God within us and in the lifeplan we have chosen, once > > > lost -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will even astrological advice help us? Perhaps not as we > see > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > questions all over the place, questioning other astrologers > > and > > > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > advice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes it is not the knowledge or experience that is > > lacking > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the astrological session, but the FAITH. Maybe GOD > > understands > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does not react right away despite the internal pain felt! > > Like > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > parent who is watching his baby getting his first needle > and > > > > > > > > crying > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like this is the end of the world. My heart goes out to the > > > > > > > > PARENT, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > though I know that the baby will come out stronger for the > > > > > > > > > experience! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > God Bless you all! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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