Guest guest Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 If there is one 'tradition' that has survived in astrology over decades and perhaps centuries (?) is the 'Astrology Forecast Column'. The ready reckoner, the Karma Almanac for all and sundry that we keep seeing in newspapers, magazines, even serious journals, and books and booklets come out when the year changes, often one for each sign. All candidates are fair game: Sunsign, moon sign, lagna, sometimes " what your nakshatras foretell? " and the list goes on and on... I have some simple questions. Please enlighten me, particularly those who write these columns and those who read and use these for guidance: Assuming that you are serious and not the casual 'dipper' into these out of curiousity or boredom (waiting for your turn at the barber's shop or at the dentist's office etc.), how often have you found these to come to pass and to what level of accuracy or detail? Assuming that you are really really serious and diligent, you may be reading several of these columns and predictions for a given period, in different magazines or newspapers etc. How often have you found Column 'A' to be saying the same or similar as given in column 'B'? How consistent are these astrology columns, with one another? Fair questions? I sure hope so! Rohiniranjan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 Dear RRji, u've missed the latest entrant, rather been here for at least 11 yrs in various places the TV channels r queuing up for the daily forecast in Breakfast news time...! well most of them have to pay a lot to show up on TV so astrologers who have a good capital base [need not be subject wise] can afford to spend time on them and also get back some good returns on it most of them r for entertainment whichever medium they appear in. and HAVE NEVER READ THEM myself or hear them on TV except at PANCHANGA SHRAVANA times every UGADI or New Year time, which at least has a strong foundation in tradition and some value for a yrs length. in fact the noise brigade of all groups chief had spoken to someone to help me out when we had a short stint of peace on a forum I was asked to do this I tried my best to do it a felt it is not possible to give one for every month and still be different from what is already there in various medias. did search various sources and did some work which did not meet their expectations of 20-30 lines per transit IN A MONTH FOR THE 12 RASI SIGN BORN ALL TRANSITS COVERED. QUITE ALABOROUS EVEN TO FIND SOME USEFUL MATERIAL AS NOT ALL GRAHAS MOVE MUCH IN A MONTH but THEIR EXPECTATIONS AND MY CONTRIBUTION DID NOT MATCH AND IT ENDED THERE, no regrets on this as it is not a SUBJEC T FOR ENTERTAINMENT but a source of a guide and we can't do justice to it as it covers 12% of the pouplation just like that and we know how diverse each one can be even if in same house i mean same family members, same age or diff ages so to put all fruits in one basket is too much and most of them don't like any stressful or serious words and so the scope gets even hard to word them and I know many who do write them more like a piece of literature with a lot of astro jargon than fundamentals in it WHICH AS I RESTATE IS NOT POSSIBLE FOE SUCH A WIDE CANVAS. in this world ASTROLOGERS MUST STICK TO NEED BASED GUIDELINES. SPECIFIC QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS ONLY AND RETAIN THE SUBJECTS UTILITY ANY ATTEMPT TO DILUTE IT WILL HARM THEM IN LONG RUN AND GIVE THE SKEPTICS A PUNCHING BAG FOR FREE. ASTROLOGY HAS TO BE SEEN USEFUL NOT A ENTERTAINMENT SOURCE. prashant ________________________________ Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan Monday, January 12, 2009 6:33:20 AM Astrological Forecast Columns If there is one 'tradition' that has survived in astrology over decades and perhaps centuries (?) is the 'Astrology Forecast Column'. The ready reckoner, the Karma Almanac for all and sundry that we keep seeing in newspapers, magazines, even serious journals, and books and booklets come out when the year changes, often one for each sign. All candidates are fair game: Sunsign, moon sign, lagna, sometimes " what your nakshatras foretell? " and the list goes on and on... I have some simple questions. Please enlighten me, particularly those who write these columns and those who read and use these for guidance: Assuming that you are serious and not the casual 'dipper' into these out of curiousity or boredom (waiting for your turn at the barber's shop or at the dentist's office etc.), how often have you found these to come to pass and to what level of accuracy or detail? Assuming that you are really really serious and diligent, you may be reading several of these columns and predictions for a given period, in different magazines or newspapers etc. How often have you found Column 'A' to be saying the same or similar as given in column 'B'? How consistent are these astrology columns, with one another? Fair questions? I sure hope so! Rohiniranjan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 Kumar ji, Your thoughtful message and particularly the last para that sums it all very succinctly was appreciated. But why blame the astrologers -- they are just providing a service that the consumer demands and if there are TV shows on this, then consumers are also willing to pay for such a 'service', I suppose! I think in the end, astrologers have to collectively figure out what they want astrology to be seen as. But as we have often seen in the astrological world, " collective " and 'uniform/united' are not in the vocabulary or standard practice! RR , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: > > Dear RRji, > > > u've missed the latest entrant, rather been here for at least 11 yrs in various places the TV channels r queuing up for the daily forecast in Breakfast news time...! > > well most of them have to pay a lot to show up on TV so astrologers who have a good capital base [need not be subject wise] can afford to spend time on them and also get back some good returns on it > > > most of them r for entertainment whichever medium they appear in. > > and HAVE NEVER READ THEM myself or hear them on TV except at PANCHANGA SHRAVANA times every UGADI or New Year time, which at least has a strong foundation in tradition and some value for a yrs length. > > in fact the noise brigade of all groups chief had spoken to someone to help me out when we had a short stint of peace on a forum I was asked to do this I tried my best to do it a felt it is not possible to give one for every month and still be different from what is already there in various medias. > > did search various sources and did some work which did not meet their expectations of 20-30 lines per transit IN A MONTH FOR THE 12 RASI SIGN BORN ALL TRANSITS COVERED. QUITE ALABOROUS EVEN TO FIND SOME USEFUL MATERIAL AS NOT ALL GRAHAS MOVE MUCH IN A MONTH > > but THEIR EXPECTATIONS AND MY CONTRIBUTION DID NOT MATCH AND IT ENDED THERE, no regrets on this as it is not a SUBJEC T FOR ENTERTAINMENT but a source of a guide and we can't do justice to it as it covers 12% of the pouplation just like that and we know how diverse each one can be even if in same house i mean same family members, same age or diff ages so to put all fruits in one basket is too much > > and most of them don't like any stressful or serious words and so the scope gets even hard to word them and I know many who do write them more like a piece of literature with a lot of astro jargon than fundamentals in it WHICH AS I RESTATE IS NOT POSSIBLE FOE SUCH A WIDE CANVAS. in this world > > ASTROLOGERS MUST STICK TO NEED BASED GUIDELINES. SPECIFIC QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS ONLY AND RETAIN THE SUBJECTS UTILITY ANY ATTEMPT TO DILUTE IT WILL HARM THEM IN LONG RUN AND GIVE THE SKEPTICS A PUNCHING BAG FOR FREE. ASTROLOGY HAS TO BE SEEN USEFUL NOT A ENTERTAINMENT SOURCE. > > > > > prashant > > > > > ________________________________ > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan > > Monday, January 12, 2009 6:33:20 AM > Astrological Forecast Columns > > > If there is one 'tradition' that has survived in astrology over > decades and perhaps centuries (?) is the 'Astrology Forecast Column'. > The ready reckoner, the Karma Almanac for all and sundry that we keep > seeing in newspapers, magazines, even serious journals, and books and > booklets come out when the year changes, often one for each sign. All > candidates are fair game: Sunsign, moon sign, lagna, sometimes " what > your nakshatras foretell? " and the list goes on and on... > > I have some simple questions. Please enlighten me, particularly those > who write these columns and those who read and use these for guidance: > > Assuming that you are serious and not the casual 'dipper' into these > out of curiousity or boredom (waiting for your turn at the barber's > shop or at the dentist's office etc.), how often have you found these > to come to pass and to what level of accuracy or detail? > > Assuming that you are really really serious and diligent, you may be > reading several of these columns and predictions for a given period, > in different magazines or newspapers etc. How often have you found > Column 'A' to be saying the same or similar as given in column 'B'? > How consistent are these astrology columns, with one another? > > Fair questions? I sure hope so! > > Rohiniranjan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 Dear RRji, caps not intended to shout my way thru happned so added this line later, THIS IS INEVITABLE change, JUST LIKE ASTROLOGERS ADOPTEDFROM THE MANUAL CASTING TO S/W DRIVEN TO ADAPT THEMSELVES TO THE TIMES, TO SAVE WORK AND DELIVER TO MORE PPL A NEVER ENDING STREAM OF ISSUES THAT CONFRONT THEM, NO OF CONSUMERS R RISING AS WELL. BUT THE ENTERTAINMENT SECTION MUST COME WITH A RIDER THAT THESE R general and for specific ones please see a local or family or a professional astrologer will be a better and desirable one than this which is BROAD BASED for the wider audiences. for their individual needs must seek a professional and personal help preferably face to face. TILL THEN WE LOOSE TO THE CRITICS AND AND CRITICS OF aSROLOGY THE left parties are also running this shows on their TV news networks like NDTV, IBNLIVE, TIMES NOW most of the heads r from NDTV the hard core left agenda one and has conduceted most shows in t talk or debate ones to bash, discredit all Hindu wasy as primitive, obscurunist or communal " saffron brigade " if u have a view /concern on Hindu issues but will champoion alll non Hindu issues to the hilt even if it s terror, crime by the, and they west can say that not all criminals, terrorists but the ones caught are max from them but thse left media ppl here wil automaticall brand u a saffron brigade tirade will go out o the way in highliting them poverty, lack of education jobs for them to be in such a situation when we see now well to do, professions and wrok good families in such areas more for the contempt fr what they feels in not of their view or agenda. so astrology is no exception and with so much risk involved and critics to discredit it we have to choose to be careful in such works and always hightliht the personal consultation aspects. more prashant ________________________________ Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan Monday, January 12, 2009 8:23:06 AM Re: Astrological Forecast Columns Kumar ji, Your thoughtful message and particularly the last para that sums it all very succinctly was appreciated. But why blame the astrologers -- they are just providing a service that the consumer demands and if there are TV shows on this, then consumers are also willing to pay for such a 'service', I suppose! I think in the end, astrologers have to collectively figure out what they want astrology to be seen as. But as we have often seen in the astrological world, " collective " and 'uniform/united' are not in the vocabulary or standard practice! RR , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@. ..> wrote: > > Dear RRji, > > > u've missed the latest entrant, rather been here for at least 11 yrs in various places the TV channels r queuing up for the daily forecast in Breakfast news time...! > > well most of them have to pay a lot to show up on TV so astrologers who have a good capital base [need not be subject wise] can afford to spend time on them and also get back some good returns on it > > > most of them r for entertainment whichever medium they appear in. > > and HAVE NEVER READ THEM myself or hear them on TV except at PANCHANGA SHRAVANA times every UGADI or New Year time, which at least has a strong foundation in tradition and some value for a yrs length. > > in fact the noise brigade of all groups chief had spoken to someone to help me out when we had a short stint of peace on a forum I was asked to do this I tried my best to do it a felt it is not possible to give one for every month and still be different from what is already there in various medias. > > did search various sources and did some work which did not meet their expectations of 20-30 lines per transit IN A MONTH FOR THE 12 RASI SIGN BORN ALL TRANSITS COVERED. QUITE ALABOROUS EVEN TO FIND SOME USEFUL MATERIAL AS NOT ALL GRAHAS MOVE MUCH IN A MONTH > > but THEIR EXPECTATIONS AND MY CONTRIBUTION DID NOT MATCH AND IT ENDED THERE, no regrets on this as it is not a SUBJEC T FOR ENTERTAINMENT but a source of a guide and we can't do justice to it as it covers 12% of the pouplation just like that and we know how diverse each one can be even if in same house i mean same family members, same age or diff ages so to put all fruits in one basket is too much > > and most of them don't like any stressful or serious words and so the scope gets even hard to word them and I know many who do write them more like a piece of literature with a lot of astro jargon than fundamentals in it WHICH AS I RESTATE IS NOT POSSIBLE FOE SUCH A WIDE CANVAS. in this world > > ASTROLOGERS MUST STICK TO NEED BASED GUIDELINES. SPECIFIC QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS ONLY AND RETAIN THE SUBJECTS UTILITY ANY ATTEMPT TO DILUTE IT WILL HARM THEM IN LONG RUN AND GIVE THE SKEPTICS A PUNCHING BAG FOR FREE. ASTROLOGY HAS TO BE SEEN USEFUL NOT A ENTERTAINMENT SOURCE. > > > > > prashant > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > Monday, January 12, 2009 6:33:20 AM > Astrological Forecast Columns > > > If there is one 'tradition' that has survived in astrology over > decades and perhaps centuries (?) is the 'Astrology Forecast Column'. > The ready reckoner, the Karma Almanac for all and sundry that we keep > seeing in newspapers, magazines, even serious journals, and books and > booklets come out when the year changes, often one for each sign. All > candidates are fair game: Sunsign, moon sign, lagna, sometimes " what > your nakshatras foretell? " and the list goes on and on... > > I have some simple questions. Please enlighten me, particularly those > who write these columns and those who read and use these for guidance: > > Assuming that you are serious and not the casual 'dipper' into these > out of curiousity or boredom (waiting for your turn at the barber's > shop or at the dentist's office etc.), how often have you found these > to come to pass and to what level of accuracy or detail? > > Assuming that you are really really serious and diligent, you may be > reading several of these columns and predictions for a given period, > in different magazines or newspapers etc. How often have you found > Column 'A' to be saying the same or similar as given in column 'B'? > How consistent are these astrology columns, with one another? > > Fair questions? I sure hope so! > > Rohiniranjan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 On that inevitable and certain critical day when each of us lay down our bodies, hopefully not in pain but in peaceful anticipation of what wiser folks have assured us time and again is but a 'homecoming', a return to the 'roots', each one of us will have to recall, and judge for ourselves, our actions, our attitudes and figure out if we were true to our-selves, our life-plan and general plan of action! Not what the *group* did ... That is the plain, cold, naked reality! , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: > > Dear RRji, > > caps not intended to shout my way thru happned so added this line later, > > > THIS IS INEVITABLE change, JUST LIKE ASTROLOGERS ADOPTEDFROM THE MANUAL CASTING TO S/W DRIVEN TO ADAPT THEMSELVES TO THE TIMES, TO SAVE WORK AND DELIVER TO MORE PPL A NEVER ENDING STREAM OF ISSUES THAT CONFRONT THEM, NO OF CONSUMERS R RISING AS WELL. BUT THE ENTERTAINMENT SECTION MUST COME WITH A RIDER THAT THESE R general and for specific ones please see a local or family or a professional astrologer will be a better and desirable one than this which is BROAD BASED for the wider audiences. > > for their individual needs must seek a professional and personal help preferably face to face. > > TILL THEN WE LOOSE TO THE CRITICS AND AND CRITICS OF aSROLOGY THE left parties are also running this shows on their TV news networks like NDTV, IBNLIVE, TIMES NOW most of the heads r from NDTV the hard core left agenda one and has conduceted most shows in t talk or debate ones to bash, discredit all Hindu wasy as primitive, obscurunist or communal " saffron brigade " if u have a view /concern on Hindu issues but will champoion alll non Hindu issues to the hilt even if it s terror, crime by the, and they west can say that not all criminals, terrorists but the ones caught are max from them but thse left media ppl here wil automaticall brand u a saffron brigade tirade will go out o the way in highliting them poverty, lack of education jobs for them to be in such a situation when we see now well to do, professions and wrok good families in such areas more for the contempt fr what they feels in not of their view or agenda. > > so astrology is no exception and with so much risk involved and critics to discredit it we have to choose to be careful in such works and always hightliht the personal consultation aspects. more > > > > prashant > > > > > > ________________________________ > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan > > Monday, January 12, 2009 8:23:06 AM > Re: Astrological Forecast Columns > > > Kumar ji, > > Your thoughtful message and particularly the last para that sums it > all very succinctly was appreciated. > > But why blame the astrologers -- they are just providing a service > that the consumer demands and if there are TV shows on this, then > consumers are also willing to pay for such a 'service', I suppose! > > I think in the end, astrologers have to collectively figure out what > they want astrology to be seen as. But as we have often seen in the > astrological world, " collective " and 'uniform/united' are not in the > vocabulary or standard practice! > > RR > > , Prashant Kumar G B > <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > Dear RRji, > > > > > > u've missed the latest entrant, rather been here for at least 11 > yrs in various places the TV channels r queuing up for the daily > forecast in Breakfast news time...! > > > > well most of them have to pay a lot to show up on TV so astrologers > who have a good capital base [need not be subject wise] can afford > to spend time on them and also get back some good returns on it > > > > > > most of them r for entertainment whichever medium they appear in. > > > > and HAVE NEVER READ THEM myself or hear them on TV except at > PANCHANGA SHRAVANA times every UGADI or New Year time, which at least > has a strong foundation in tradition and some value for a yrs length. > > > > in fact the noise brigade of all groups chief had spoken to > someone to help me out when we had a short stint of peace on a forum > I was asked to do this I tried my best to do it a felt it is not > possible to give one for every month and still be different from what > is already there in various medias. > > > > did search various sources and did some work which did not meet > their expectations of 20-30 lines per transit IN A MONTH FOR THE 12 > RASI SIGN BORN ALL TRANSITS COVERED. QUITE ALABOROUS EVEN TO FIND > SOME USEFUL MATERIAL AS NOT ALL GRAHAS MOVE MUCH IN A MONTH > > > > but THEIR EXPECTATIONS AND MY CONTRIBUTION DID NOT MATCH AND IT > ENDED THERE, no regrets on this as it is not a SUBJEC T FOR > ENTERTAINMENT but a source of a guide and we can't do justice to it > as it covers 12% of the pouplation just like that and we know how > diverse each one can be even if in same house i mean same family > members, same age or diff ages so to put all fruits in one basket is > too much > > > > and most of them don't like any stressful or serious words and so > the scope gets even hard to word them and I know many who do write > them more like a piece of literature with a lot of astro jargon than > fundamentals in it WHICH AS I RESTATE IS NOT POSSIBLE FOE SUCH A > WIDE CANVAS. in this world > > > > ASTROLOGERS MUST STICK TO NEED BASED GUIDELINES. SPECIFIC QUESTIONS > AND ANSWERS ONLY AND RETAIN THE SUBJECTS UTILITY ANY ATTEMPT TO > DILUTE IT WILL HARM THEM IN LONG RUN AND GIVE THE SKEPTICS A PUNCHING > BAG FOR FREE. ASTROLOGY HAS TO BE SEEN USEFUL NOT A ENTERTAINMENT > SOURCE. > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > Monday, January 12, 2009 6:33:20 AM > > Astrological Forecast Columns > > > > > > If there is one 'tradition' that has survived in astrology over > > decades and perhaps centuries (?) is the 'Astrology Forecast > Column'. > > The ready reckoner, the Karma Almanac for all and sundry that we > keep > > seeing in newspapers, magazines, even serious journals, and books > and > > booklets come out when the year changes, often one for each sign. > All > > candidates are fair game: Sunsign, moon sign, lagna, > sometimes " what > > your nakshatras foretell? " and the list goes on and on... > > > > I have some simple questions. Please enlighten me, particularly > those > > who write these columns and those who read and use these for > guidance: > > > > Assuming that you are serious and not the casual 'dipper' into > these > > out of curiousity or boredom (waiting for your turn at the barber's > > shop or at the dentist's office etc.), how often have you found > these > > to come to pass and to what level of accuracy or detail? > > > > Assuming that you are really really serious and diligent, you may > be > > reading several of these columns and predictions for a given > period, > > in different magazines or newspapers etc. How often have you found > > Column 'A' to be saying the same or similar as given in column 'B'? > > How consistent are these astrology columns, with one another? > > > > Fair questions? I sure hope so! > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 Dear Sirs, I am telling about the books of reputed people. In Tamilnadu lot of emphasis is laid on the Gochara, with respect to Moon sign. The 7 1/2 of sani sade sathi, sani's ashtamasthan from moon sign, Guru's transition ( the 10th from moon sign is dreaded and is supposed to affect career- The 9th position is supposed to be great) and Rahu's position on 10th place from moon sign etc. Surprisinly these things do happen and just the gochara combination of these 3 planets seems to give certain clarity. Also during the bad combination, they advise to check the current dasa bookthi of individual and tell the gochara is a tentative indication. The gochara from Chandra lagna seems to have a defenet effects and the predictions seem to be 80% accurate. Please guide us on this Sankar --- On Mon, 1/12/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote: > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan > Re: Astrological Forecast Columns > > Monday, January 12, 2009, 9:59 AM > On that inevitable and certain critical day when each of us > lay down > our bodies, hopefully not in pain but in peaceful > anticipation of > what wiser folks have assured us time and again is but > a 'homecoming', a return to the 'roots', > each one of us will have to > recall, and judge for ourselves, our actions, our attitudes > and > figure out if we were true to our-selves, our life-plan and > general > plan of action! Not what the *group* did ... > > That is the plain, cold, naked reality! > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > <gbp_kumar wrote: > > > > Dear RRji, > > > > caps not intended to shout my way thru happned so > added this line > later, > > > > > > THIS IS INEVITABLE change, JUST LIKE ASTROLOGERS > ADOPTEDFROM THE > MANUAL CASTING TO S/W DRIVEN TO ADAPT THEMSELVES TO THE > TIMES, TO > SAVE WORK AND DELIVER TO MORE PPL A NEVER ENDING STREAM OF > ISSUES > THAT CONFRONT THEM, NO OF CONSUMERS R RISING AS WELL. BUT > THE > ENTERTAINMENT SECTION MUST COME WITH A RIDER THAT THESE R > general and > for specific ones please see a local or family or a > professional > astrologer will be a better and desirable one than this > which is > BROAD BASED for the wider audiences. > > > > for their individual needs must seek a professional > and personal > help preferably face to face. > > > > TILL THEN WE LOOSE TO THE CRITICS AND AND CRITICS OF > aSROLOGY THE > left parties are also running this shows on their TV news > networks > like NDTV, IBNLIVE, TIMES NOW most of the heads r from NDTV > the hard > core left agenda one and has conduceted most shows in t > talk or > debate ones to bash, discredit all Hindu wasy as primitive, > > obscurunist or communal " saffron brigade " if u > have a view /concern > on Hindu issues but will champoion alll non Hindu issues to > the hilt > even if it s terror, crime by the, and they west can say > that not all > criminals, terrorists but the ones caught are max from them > but thse > left media ppl here wil automaticall brand u a saffron > brigade tirade > will go out o the way in highliting them poverty, lack of > education > jobs for them to be in such a situation when we see now > well to do, > professions and wrok good families in such areas more for > the > contempt fr what they feels in not of their view or agenda. > > > > so astrology is no exception and with so much risk > involved and > critics to discredit it we have to choose to be careful in > such works > and always hightliht the personal consultation aspects. > more > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan > > > > Monday, January 12, 2009 8:23:06 AM > > Re: Astrological Forecast Columns > > > > > > Kumar ji, > > > > Your thoughtful message and particularly the last para > that sums it > > all very succinctly was appreciated. > > > > But why blame the astrologers -- they are just > providing a service > > that the consumer demands and if there are TV shows on > this, then > > consumers are also willing to pay for such a > 'service', I suppose! > > > > I think in the end, astrologers have to collectively > figure out > what > > they want astrology to be seen as. But as we have > often seen in the > > astrological world, " collective " and > 'uniform/united' are not in > the > > vocabulary or standard practice! > > > > RR > > > > , Prashant > Kumar G B > > <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > Dear RRji, > > > > > > > > > u've missed the latest entrant, rather been > here for at least 11 > > yrs in various places the TV channels r queuing up for > the daily > > forecast in Breakfast news time...! > > > > > > well most of them have to pay a lot to show up on > TV so > astrologers > > who have a good capital base [need not be subject > wise] can afford > > to spend time on them and also get back some good > returns on it > > > > > > > > > most of them r for entertainment whichever medium > they appear in. > > > > > > and HAVE NEVER READ THEM myself or hear them on > TV except at > > PANCHANGA SHRAVANA times every UGADI or New Year time, > which at > least > > has a strong foundation in tradition and some value > for a yrs > length. > > > > > > in fact the noise brigade of all groups chief > had spoken to > > someone to help me out when we had a short stint of > peace on a > forum > > I was asked to do this I tried my best to do it a felt > it is not > > possible to give one for every month and still be > different from > what > > is already there in various medias. > > > > > > did search various sources and did some work > which did not meet > > their expectations of 20-30 lines per transit IN A > MONTH FOR THE 12 > > RASI SIGN BORN ALL TRANSITS COVERED. QUITE ALABOROUS > EVEN TO FIND > > SOME USEFUL MATERIAL AS NOT ALL GRAHAS MOVE MUCH IN A > MONTH > > > > > > but THEIR EXPECTATIONS AND MY CONTRIBUTION DID > NOT MATCH AND IT > > ENDED THERE, no regrets on this as it is not a SUBJEC > T FOR > > ENTERTAINMENT but a source of a guide and we can't > do justice to it > > as it covers 12% of the pouplation just like that and > we know how > > diverse each one can be even if in same house i mean > same family > > members, same age or diff ages so to put all fruits in > one basket > is > > too much > > > > > > and most of them don't like any stressful or > serious words and so > > the scope gets even hard to word them and I know many > who do write > > them more like a piece of literature with a lot of > astro jargon > than > > fundamentals in it WHICH AS I RESTATE IS NOT POSSIBLE > FOE SUCH A > > WIDE CANVAS. in this world > > > > > > ASTROLOGERS MUST STICK TO NEED BASED GUIDELINES. > SPECIFIC > QUESTIONS > > AND ANSWERS ONLY AND RETAIN THE SUBJECTS UTILITY ANY > ATTEMPT TO > > DILUTE IT WILL HARM THEM IN LONG RUN AND GIVE THE > SKEPTICS A > PUNCHING > > BAG FOR FREE. ASTROLOGY HAS TO BE SEEN USEFUL NOT A > ENTERTAINMENT > > SOURCE. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > Monday, January 12, 2009 6:33:20 AM > > > Astrological Forecast Columns > > > > > > > > > If there is one 'tradition' that has > survived in astrology over > > > decades and perhaps centuries (?) is the > 'Astrology Forecast > > Column'. > > > The ready reckoner, the Karma Almanac for all and > sundry that we > > keep > > > seeing in newspapers, magazines, even serious > journals, and books > > and > > > booklets come out when the year changes, often > one for each sign. > > All > > > candidates are fair game: Sunsign, moon sign, > lagna, > > sometimes " what > > > your nakshatras foretell? " and the list goes > on and on... > > > > > > I have some simple questions. Please enlighten > me, particularly > > those > > > who write these columns and those who read and > use these for > > guidance: > > > > > > Assuming that you are serious and not the casual > 'dipper' into > > these > > > out of curiousity or boredom (waiting for your > turn at the > barber's > > > shop or at the dentist's office etc.), how > often have you found > > these > > > to come to pass and to what level of accuracy or > detail? > > > > > > Assuming that you are really really serious and > diligent, you may > > be > > > reading several of these columns and predictions > for a given > > period, > > > in different magazines or newspapers etc. How > often have you > found > > > Column 'A' to be saying the same or > similar as given in > column 'B'? > > > How consistent are these astrology columns, with > one another? > > > > > > Fair questions? I sure hope so! > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 Dear Mr sankaranarayana and others, Once I was asked by " Dainik bhaskarin Delhi to write abou daily rasi predictions.some how at the same time SHRI KNRao was also there.we just concluded this is chep media and for time pass and fill space in media.Particularly,some desperate people look for these cols.sevarl known astrologers in Delhi like Prof Nagar and Pandey etc write in media.Nothing is relevant and of no use. I still remebr those days when Hindu used to have a weekly col about astrolo way back.Also India Express by pete vidal,somewhat of consisitency.other not to be depend and nothing can be made out vrkrishnan ________________________________ sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan Monday, January 12, 2009 11:34:03 AM Re: Astrological Forecast Columns Dear Sirs, I am telling about the books of reputed people. In Tamilnadu lot of emphasis is laid on the Gochara, with respect to Moon sign. The 7 1/2 of sani sade sathi, sani's ashtamasthan from moon sign, Guru's transition ( the 10th from moon sign is dreaded and is supposed to affect career- The 9th position is supposed to be great) and Rahu's position on 10th place from moon sign etc. Surprisinly these things do happen and just the gochara combination of these 3 planets seems to give certain clarity. Also during the bad combination, they advise to check the current dasa bookthi of individual and tell the gochara is a tentative indication. The gochara from Chandra lagna seems to have a defenet effects and the predictions seem to be 80% accurate. Please guide us on this Sankar --- On Mon, 1/12/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> wrote: > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> > Re: Astrological Forecast Columns > > Monday, January 12, 2009, 9:59 AM > On that inevitable and certain critical day when each of us > lay down > our bodies, hopefully not in pain but in peaceful > anticipation of > what wiser folks have assured us time and again is but > a 'homecoming' , a return to the 'roots', > each one of us will have to > recall, and judge for ourselves, our actions, our attitudes > and > figure out if we were true to our-selves, our life-plan and > general > plan of action! Not what the *group* did ... > > That is the plain, cold, naked reality! > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > <gbp_kumar@. ..> wrote: > > > > Dear RRji, > > > > caps not intended to shout my way thru happned so > added this line > later, > > > > > > THIS IS INEVITABLE change, JUST LIKE ASTROLOGERS > ADOPTEDFROM THE > MANUAL CASTING TO S/W DRIVEN TO ADAPT THEMSELVES TO THE > TIMES, TO > SAVE WORK AND DELIVER TO MORE PPL A NEVER ENDING STREAM OF > ISSUES > THAT CONFRONT THEM, NO OF CONSUMERS R RISING AS WELL. BUT > THE > ENTERTAINMENT SECTION MUST COME WITH A RIDER THAT THESE R > general and > for specific ones please see a local or family or a > professional > astrologer will be a better and desirable one than this > which is > BROAD BASED for the wider audiences. > > > > for their individual needs must seek a professional > and personal > help preferably face to face. > > > > TILL THEN WE LOOSE TO THE CRITICS AND AND CRITICS OF > aSROLOGY THE > left parties are also running this shows on their TV news > networks > like NDTV, IBNLIVE, TIMES NOW most of the heads r from NDTV > the hard > core left agenda one and has conduceted most shows in t > talk or > debate ones to bash, discredit all Hindu wasy as primitive, > > obscurunist or communal " saffron brigade " if u > have a view /concern > on Hindu issues but will champoion alll non Hindu issues to > the hilt > even if it s terror, crime by the, and they west can say > that not all > criminals, terrorists but the ones caught are max from them > but thse > left media ppl here wil automaticall brand u a saffron > brigade tirade > will go out o the way in highliting them poverty, lack of > education > jobs for them to be in such a situation when we see now > well to do, > professions and wrok good families in such areas more for > the > contempt fr what they feels in not of their view or agenda. > > > > so astrology is no exception and with so much risk > involved and > critics to discredit it we have to choose to be careful in > such works > and always hightliht the personal consultation aspects. > more > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > Monday, January 12, 2009 8:23:06 AM > > Re: Astrological Forecast Columns > > > > > > Kumar ji, > > > > Your thoughtful message and particularly the last para > that sums it > > all very succinctly was appreciated. > > > > But why blame the astrologers -- they are just > providing a service > > that the consumer demands and if there are TV shows on > this, then > > consumers are also willing to pay for such a > 'service', I suppose! > > > > I think in the end, astrologers have to collectively > figure out > what > > they want astrology to be seen as. But as we have > often seen in the > > astrological world, " collective " and > 'uniform/united' are not in > the > > vocabulary or standard practice! > > > > RR > > > > , Prashant > Kumar G B > > <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > Dear RRji, > > > > > > > > > u've missed the latest entrant, rather been > here for at least 11 > > yrs in various places the TV channels r queuing up for > the daily > > forecast in Breakfast news time...! > > > > > > well most of them have to pay a lot to show up on > TV so > astrologers > > who have a good capital base [need not be subject > wise] can afford > > to spend time on them and also get back some good > returns on it > > > > > > > > > most of them r for entertainment whichever medium > they appear in. > > > > > > and HAVE NEVER READ THEM myself or hear them on > TV except at > > PANCHANGA SHRAVANA times every UGADI or New Year time, > which at > least > > has a strong foundation in tradition and some value > for a yrs > length. > > > > > > in fact the noise brigade of all groups chief > had spoken to > > someone to help me out when we had a short stint of > peace on a > forum > > I was asked to do this I tried my best to do it a felt > it is not > > possible to give one for every month and still be > different from > what > > is already there in various medias. > > > > > > did search various sources and did some work > which did not meet > > their expectations of 20-30 lines per transit IN A > MONTH FOR THE 12 > > RASI SIGN BORN ALL TRANSITS COVERED. QUITE ALABOROUS > EVEN TO FIND > > SOME USEFUL MATERIAL AS NOT ALL GRAHAS MOVE MUCH IN A > MONTH > > > > > > but THEIR EXPECTATIONS AND MY CONTRIBUTION DID > NOT MATCH AND IT > > ENDED THERE, no regrets on this as it is not a SUBJEC > T FOR > > ENTERTAINMENT but a source of a guide and we can't > do justice to it > > as it covers 12% of the pouplation just like that and > we know how > > diverse each one can be even if in same house i mean > same family > > members, same age or diff ages so to put all fruits in > one basket > is > > too much > > > > > > and most of them don't like any stressful or > serious words and so > > the scope gets even hard to word them and I know many > who do write > > them more like a piece of literature with a lot of > astro jargon > than > > fundamentals in it WHICH AS I RESTATE IS NOT POSSIBLE > FOE SUCH A > > WIDE CANVAS. in this world > > > > > > ASTROLOGERS MUST STICK TO NEED BASED GUIDELINES. > SPECIFIC > QUESTIONS > > AND ANSWERS ONLY AND RETAIN THE SUBJECTS UTILITY ANY > ATTEMPT TO > > DILUTE IT WILL HARM THEM IN LONG RUN AND GIVE THE > SKEPTICS A > PUNCHING > > BAG FOR FREE. ASTROLOGY HAS TO BE SEEN USEFUL NOT A > ENTERTAINMENT > > SOURCE. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > Monday, January 12, 2009 6:33:20 AM > > > Astrological Forecast Columns > > > > > > > > > If there is one 'tradition' that has > survived in astrology over > > > decades and perhaps centuries (?) is the > 'Astrology Forecast > > Column'. > > > The ready reckoner, the Karma Almanac for all and > sundry that we > > keep > > > seeing in newspapers, magazines, even serious > journals, and books > > and > > > booklets come out when the year changes, often > one for each sign. > > All > > > candidates are fair game: Sunsign, moon sign, > lagna, > > sometimes " what > > > your nakshatras foretell? " and the list goes > on and on... > > > > > > I have some simple questions. Please enlighten > me, particularly > > those > > > who write these columns and those who read and > use these for > > guidance: > > > > > > Assuming that you are serious and not the casual > 'dipper' into > > these > > > out of curiousity or boredom (waiting for your > turn at the > barber's > > > shop or at the dentist's office etc.), how > often have you found > > these > > > to come to pass and to what level of accuracy or > detail? > > > > > > Assuming that you are really really serious and > diligent, you may > > be > > > reading several of these columns and predictions > for a given > > period, > > > in different magazines or newspapers etc. How > often have you > found > > > Column 'A' to be saying the same or > similar as given in > column 'B'? > > > How consistent are these astrology columns, with > one another? > > > > > > Fair questions? I sure hope so! > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 Respected Sir, In tamilnadu around 20 exclusive magazines are published on weekly forecast. As an average 3 rasis will be in sade sati any time, one each will have sani in ashtama and ardashtama. simillarly 1/12th will have guru in ashtama, dasama and janma. Average 60% of population will have any one of these. The tamil people and the astrologers here give more emphasis on gochara. Here all the temples both old and new have a navagraha shirine and people will be continuously doing poojas. The advise of eminent people like you on this has helped us to understand the gochara effects. regards Sankar --- On Mon, 1/12/09, vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: vattem krishnan <bursar_99 Re: Astrological Forecast Columns Monday, January 12, 2009, 10:34 PM Dear Mr sankaranarayana and others, Once I was asked by " Dainik bhaskarin Delhi to write abou daily rasi predictions. some how at the same time SHRI KNRao was also there.we just concluded this is chep media and for time pass and fill space in media.Particularly, some desperate people look for these cols.sevarl known astrologers in Delhi like Prof Nagar and Pandey etc write in media.Nothing is relevant and of no use. I still remebr those days when Hindu used to have a weekly col about astrolo way back.Also India Express by pete vidal,somewhat of consisitency. other not to be depend and nothing can be made out vrkrishnan ____________ _________ _________ __ sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan@ > Monday, January 12, 2009 11:34:03 AM Re: Astrological Forecast Columns Dear Sirs, I am telling about the books of reputed people. In Tamilnadu lot of emphasis is laid on the Gochara, with respect to Moon sign. The 7 1/2 of sani sade sathi, sani's ashtamasthan from moon sign, Guru's transition ( the 10th from moon sign is dreaded and is supposed to affect career- The 9th position is supposed to be great) and Rahu's position on 10th place from moon sign etc. Surprisinly these things do happen and just the gochara combination of these 3 planets seems to give certain clarity. Also during the bad combination, they advise to check the current dasa bookthi of individual and tell the gochara is a tentative indication. The gochara from Chandra lagna seems to have a defenet effects and the predictions seem to be 80% accurate. Please guide us on this Sankar --- On Mon, 1/12/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> wrote: > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> > Re: Astrological Forecast Columns > > Monday, January 12, 2009, 9:59 AM > On that inevitable and certain critical day when each of us > lay down > our bodies, hopefully not in pain but in peaceful > anticipation of > what wiser folks have assured us time and again is but > a 'homecoming' , a return to the 'roots', > each one of us will have to > recall, and judge for ourselves, our actions, our attitudes > and > figure out if we were true to our-selves, our life-plan and > general > plan of action! Not what the *group* did ... > > That is the plain, cold, naked reality! > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > <gbp_kumar@. ..> wrote: > > > > Dear RRji, > > > > caps not intended to shout my way thru happned so > added this line > later, > > > > > > THIS IS INEVITABLE change, JUST LIKE ASTROLOGERS > ADOPTEDFROM THE > MANUAL CASTING TO S/W DRIVEN TO ADAPT THEMSELVES TO THE > TIMES, TO > SAVE WORK AND DELIVER TO MORE PPL A NEVER ENDING STREAM OF > ISSUES > THAT CONFRONT THEM, NO OF CONSUMERS R RISING AS WELL. BUT > THE > ENTERTAINMENT SECTION MUST COME WITH A RIDER THAT THESE R > general and > for specific ones please see a local or family or a > professional > astrologer will be a better and desirable one than this > which is > BROAD BASED for the wider audiences. > > > > for their individual needs must seek a professional > and personal > help preferably face to face. > > > > TILL THEN WE LOOSE TO THE CRITICS AND AND CRITICS OF > aSROLOGY THE > left parties are also running this shows on their TV news > networks > like NDTV, IBNLIVE, TIMES NOW most of the heads r from NDTV > the hard > core left agenda one and has conduceted most shows in t > talk or > debate ones to bash, discredit all Hindu wasy as primitive, > > obscurunist or communal " saffron brigade " if u > have a view /concern > on Hindu issues but will champoion alll non Hindu issues to > the hilt > even if it s terror, crime by the, and they west can say > that not all > criminals, terrorists but the ones caught are max from them > but thse > left media ppl here wil automaticall brand u a saffron > brigade tirade > will go out o the way in highliting them poverty, lack of > education > jobs for them to be in such a situation when we see now > well to do, > professions and wrok good families in such areas more for > the > contempt fr what they feels in not of their view or agenda. > > > > so astrology is no exception and with so much risk > involved and > critics to discredit it we have to choose to be careful in > such works > and always hightliht the personal consultation aspects. > more > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > Monday, January 12, 2009 8:23:06 AM > > Re: Astrological Forecast Columns > > > > > > Kumar ji, > > > > Your thoughtful message and particularly the last para > that sums it > > all very succinctly was appreciated. > > > > But why blame the astrologers -- they are just > providing a service > > that the consumer demands and if there are TV shows on > this, then > > consumers are also willing to pay for such a > 'service', I suppose! > > > > I think in the end, astrologers have to collectively > figure out > what > > they want astrology to be seen as. But as we have > often seen in the > > astrological world, " collective " and > 'uniform/united' are not in > the > > vocabulary or standard practice! > > > > RR > > > > , Prashant > Kumar G B > > <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > Dear RRji, > > > > > > > > > u've missed the latest entrant, rather been > here for at least 11 > > yrs in various places the TV channels r queuing up for > the daily > > forecast in Breakfast news time...! > > > > > > well most of them have to pay a lot to show up on > TV so > astrologers > > who have a good capital base [need not be subject > wise] can afford > > to spend time on them and also get back some good > returns on it > > > > > > > > > most of them r for entertainment whichever medium > they appear in. > > > > > > and HAVE NEVER READ THEM myself or hear them on > TV except at > > PANCHANGA SHRAVANA times every UGADI or New Year time, > which at > least > > has a strong foundation in tradition and some value > for a yrs > length. > > > > > > in fact the noise brigade of all groups chief > had spoken to > > someone to help me out when we had a short stint of > peace on a > forum > > I was asked to do this I tried my best to do it a felt > it is not > > possible to give one for every month and still be > different from > what > > is already there in various medias. > > > > > > did search various sources and did some work > which did not meet > > their expectations of 20-30 lines per transit IN A > MONTH FOR THE 12 > > RASI SIGN BORN ALL TRANSITS COVERED. QUITE ALABOROUS > EVEN TO FIND > > SOME USEFUL MATERIAL AS NOT ALL GRAHAS MOVE MUCH IN A > MONTH > > > > > > but THEIR EXPECTATIONS AND MY CONTRIBUTION DID > NOT MATCH AND IT > > ENDED THERE, no regrets on this as it is not a SUBJEC > T FOR > > ENTERTAINMENT but a source of a guide and we can't > do justice to it > > as it covers 12% of the pouplation just like that and > we know how > > diverse each one can be even if in same house i mean > same family > > members, same age or diff ages so to put all fruits in > one basket > is > > too much > > > > > > and most of them don't like any stressful or > serious words and so > > the scope gets even hard to word them and I know many > who do write > > them more like a piece of literature with a lot of > astro jargon > than > > fundamentals in it WHICH AS I RESTATE IS NOT POSSIBLE > FOE SUCH A > > WIDE CANVAS. in this world > > > > > > ASTROLOGERS MUST STICK TO NEED BASED GUIDELINES. > SPECIFIC > QUESTIONS > > AND ANSWERS ONLY AND RETAIN THE SUBJECTS UTILITY ANY > ATTEMPT TO > > DILUTE IT WILL HARM THEM IN LONG RUN AND GIVE THE > SKEPTICS A > PUNCHING > > BAG FOR FREE. ASTROLOGY HAS TO BE SEEN USEFUL NOT A > ENTERTAINMENT > > SOURCE. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > Monday, January 12, 2009 6:33:20 AM > > > Astrological Forecast Columns > > > > > > > > > If there is one 'tradition' that has > survived in astrology over > > > decades and perhaps centuries (?) is the > 'Astrology Forecast > > Column'. > > > The ready reckoner, the Karma Almanac for all and > sundry that we > > keep > > > seeing in newspapers, magazines, even serious > journals, and books > > and > > > booklets come out when the year changes, often > one for each sign. > > All > > > candidates are fair game: Sunsign, moon sign, > lagna, > > sometimes " what > > > your nakshatras foretell? " and the list goes > on and on... > > > > > > I have some simple questions. Please enlighten > me, particularly > > those > > > who write these columns and those who read and > use these for > > guidance: > > > > > > Assuming that you are serious and not the casual > 'dipper' into > > these > > > out of curiousity or boredom (waiting for your > turn at the > barber's > > > shop or at the dentist's office etc.), how > often have you found > > these > > > to come to pass and to what level of accuracy or > detail? > > > > > > Assuming that you are really really serious and > diligent, you may > > be > > > reading several of these columns and predictions > for a given > > period, > > > in different magazines or newspapers etc. How > often have you > found > > > Column 'A' to be saying the same or > similar as given in > column 'B'? > > > How consistent are these astrology columns, with > one another? > > > > > > Fair questions? I sure hope so! > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 Sankar, well there is nothing unique or exclusive about Gochatra usage and TN alone. most classical works in Sanskrit have sevoted sections to it so have modern astrologers too the Navagraha templ practice is there in most of places south of Vindhyas that is Maharashtra, karnataka, andrapradesh, kerala I do conceded there is a temple belt for 9 Grahas in TN. the parihara or upayas are given by Parashara long ago for the weak or makefic periods, transits [gochara] and many books that have come after it are more of its branhces BPHS is a banyan tree and rest of works like Jataka Parijatha, Phaladeepika, Uttara kalmrutha, jataka tatwa, Jataka Alankara etc are ones that have added value to BPHS during the times of the composers without tinkering the original base of BPHS so that people can dapat from it for anytime. for a long time Jatakalankara and chandrika were used in TN recently only U S Pulipani has been doing more works from sankrit to tamil and after sanskrit Telugu, kannada , Malyalam have more works in most vedic heritage Jyotishya included to keep the so called dravidain superioirty p british legacy of divide an rule in tact] the TN paoliticians did not allow the collection of Saraswathi library to be shared by rest of Indian scholars nor did they do anything on it so we will never know the truth of any historical order, people with sanskrit knowledge will be dead soon and most works destroyed by worms, insects and politicanl bias. united we gain sadly no other state in India has even bothered about knowing its past so we can never know or real history and left parties who have doctered and taught us biased invader friendly history and this is more pro West asian born friendly than even if they claim aryans came from central asia they r not given so much protection in their writings. nothing is there to show Aryans had run over a superior local pouplation so we are just one race divided by British for their convenience north as Hindu -Muslim south as aryan and dravidian. Best wishes prashant ________________________________ sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:51:14 PM Re: Astrological Forecast Columns Respected Sir, In tamilnadu around 20 exclusive magazines are published on weekly forecast. As an average 3 rasis will be in sade sati any time, one each will have sani in ashtama and ardashtama. simillarly 1/12th will have guru in ashtama, dasama and janma. Average 60% of population will have any one of these. The tamil people and the astrologers here give more emphasis on gochara. Here all the temples both old and new have a navagraha shirine and people will be continuously doing poojas. The advise of eminent people like you on this has helped us to understand the gochara effects. regards Sankar --- On Mon, 1/12/09, vattem krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote: vattem krishnan <bursar_99 > Re: Astrological Forecast Columns Monday, January 12, 2009, 10:34 PM Dear Mr sankaranarayana and others, Once I was asked by " Dainik bhaskarin Delhi to write abou daily rasi predictions. some how at the same time SHRI KNRao was also there.we just concluded this is chep media and for time pass and fill space in media.Particularly, some desperate people look for these cols.sevarl known astrologers in Delhi like Prof Nagar and Pandey etc write in media.Nothing is relevant and of no use. I still remebr those days when Hindu used to have a weekly col about astrolo way back.Also India Express by pete vidal,somewhat of consisitency. other not to be depend and nothing can be made out vrkrishnan ____________ _________ _________ __ sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan@ > Monday, January 12, 2009 11:34:03 AM Re: Astrological Forecast Columns Dear Sirs, I am telling about the books of reputed people. In Tamilnadu lot of emphasis is laid on the Gochara, with respect to Moon sign. The 7 1/2 of sani sade sathi, sani's ashtamasthan from moon sign, Guru's transition ( the 10th from moon sign is dreaded and is supposed to affect career- The 9th position is supposed to be great) and Rahu's position on 10th place from moon sign etc. Surprisinly these things do happen and just the gochara combination of these 3 planets seems to give certain clarity. Also during the bad combination, they advise to check the current dasa bookthi of individual and tell the gochara is a tentative indication. The gochara from Chandra lagna seems to have a defenet effects and the predictions seem to be 80% accurate. Please guide us on this Sankar --- On Mon, 1/12/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> wrote: > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> > Re: Astrological Forecast Columns > > Monday, January 12, 2009, 9:59 AM > On that inevitable and certain critical day when each of us > lay down > our bodies, hopefully not in pain but in peaceful > anticipation of > what wiser folks have assured us time and again is but > a 'homecoming' , a return to the 'roots', > each one of us will have to > recall, and judge for ourselves, our actions, our attitudes > and > figure out if we were true to our-selves, our life-plan and > general > plan of action! Not what the *group* did ... > > That is the plain, cold, naked reality! > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > <gbp_kumar@. ..> wrote: > > > > Dear RRji, > > > > caps not intended to shout my way thru happned so > added this line > later, > > > > > > THIS IS INEVITABLE change, JUST LIKE ASTROLOGERS > ADOPTEDFROM THE > MANUAL CASTING TO S/W DRIVEN TO ADAPT THEMSELVES TO THE > TIMES, TO > SAVE WORK AND DELIVER TO MORE PPL A NEVER ENDING STREAM OF > ISSUES > THAT CONFRONT THEM, NO OF CONSUMERS R RISING AS WELL. BUT > THE > ENTERTAINMENT SECTION MUST COME WITH A RIDER THAT THESE R > general and > for specific ones please see a local or family or a > professional > astrologer will be a better and desirable one than this > which is > BROAD BASED for the wider audiences. > > > > for their individual needs must seek a professional > and personal > help preferably face to face. > > > > TILL THEN WE LOOSE TO THE CRITICS AND AND CRITICS OF > aSROLOGY THE > left parties are also running this shows on their TV news > networks > like NDTV, IBNLIVE, TIMES NOW most of the heads r from NDTV > the hard > core left agenda one and has conduceted most shows in t > talk or > debate ones to bash, discredit all Hindu wasy as primitive, > > obscurunist or communal " saffron brigade " if u > have a view /concern > on Hindu issues but will champoion alll non Hindu issues to > the hilt > even if it s terror, crime by the, and they west can say > that not all > criminals, terrorists but the ones caught are max from them > but thse > left media ppl here wil automaticall brand u a saffron > brigade tirade > will go out o the way in highliting them poverty, lack of > education > jobs for them to be in such a situation when we see now > well to do, > professions and wrok good families in such areas more for > the > contempt fr what they feels in not of their view or agenda. > > > > so astrology is no exception and with so much risk > involved and > critics to discredit it we have to choose to be careful in > such works > and always hightliht the personal consultation aspects. > more > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > Monday, January 12, 2009 8:23:06 AM > > Re: Astrological Forecast Columns > > > > > > Kumar ji, > > > > Your thoughtful message and particularly the last para > that sums it > > all very succinctly was appreciated. > > > > But why blame the astrologers -- they are just > providing a service > > that the consumer demands and if there are TV shows on > this, then > > consumers are also willing to pay for such a > 'service', I suppose! > > > > I think in the end, astrologers have to collectively > figure out > what > > they want astrology to be seen as. But as we have > often seen in the > > astrological world, " collective " and > 'uniform/united' are not in > the > > vocabulary or standard practice! > > > > RR > > > > , Prashant > Kumar G B > > <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > Dear RRji, > > > > > > > > > u've missed the latest entrant, rather been > here for at least 11 > > yrs in various places the TV channels r queuing up for > the daily > > forecast in Breakfast news time...! > > > > > > well most of them have to pay a lot to show up on > TV so > astrologers > > who have a good capital base [need not be subject > wise] can afford > > to spend time on them and also get back some good > returns on it > > > > > > > > > most of them r for entertainment whichever medium > they appear in. > > > > > > and HAVE NEVER READ THEM myself or hear them on > TV except at > > PANCHANGA SHRAVANA times every UGADI or New Year time, > which at > least > > has a strong foundation in tradition and some value > for a yrs > length. > > > > > > in fact the noise brigade of all groups chief > had spoken to > > someone to help me out when we had a short stint of > peace on a > forum > > I was asked to do this I tried my best to do it a felt > it is not > > possible to give one for every month and still be > different from > what > > is already there in various medias. > > > > > > did search various sources and did some work > which did not meet > > their expectations of 20-30 lines per transit IN A > MONTH FOR THE 12 > > RASI SIGN BORN ALL TRANSITS COVERED. QUITE ALABOROUS > EVEN TO FIND > > SOME USEFUL MATERIAL AS NOT ALL GRAHAS MOVE MUCH IN A > MONTH > > > > > > but THEIR EXPECTATIONS AND MY CONTRIBUTION DID > NOT MATCH AND IT > > ENDED THERE, no regrets on this as it is not a SUBJEC > T FOR > > ENTERTAINMENT but a source of a guide and we can't > do justice to it > > as it covers 12% of the pouplation just like that and > we know how > > diverse each one can be even if in same house i mean > same family > > members, same age or diff ages so to put all fruits in > one basket > is > > too much > > > > > > and most of them don't like any stressful or > serious words and so > > the scope gets even hard to word them and I know many > who do write > > them more like a piece of literature with a lot of > astro jargon > than > > fundamentals in it WHICH AS I RESTATE IS NOT POSSIBLE > FOE SUCH A > > WIDE CANVAS. in this world > > > > > > ASTROLOGERS MUST STICK TO NEED BASED GUIDELINES. > SPECIFIC > QUESTIONS > > AND ANSWERS ONLY AND RETAIN THE SUBJECTS UTILITY ANY > ATTEMPT TO > > DILUTE IT WILL HARM THEM IN LONG RUN AND GIVE THE > SKEPTICS A > PUNCHING > > BAG FOR FREE. ASTROLOGY HAS TO BE SEEN USEFUL NOT A > ENTERTAINMENT > > SOURCE. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > Monday, January 12, 2009 6:33:20 AM > > > Astrological Forecast Columns > > > > > > > > > If there is one 'tradition' that has > survived in astrology over > > > decades and perhaps centuries (?) is the > 'Astrology Forecast > > Column'. > > > The ready reckoner, the Karma Almanac for all and > sundry that we > > keep > > > seeing in newspapers, magazines, even serious > journals, and books > > and > > > booklets come out when the year changes, often > one for each sign. > > All > > > candidates are fair game: Sunsign, moon sign, > lagna, > > sometimes " what > > > your nakshatras foretell? " and the list goes > on and on... > > > > > > I have some simple questions. Please enlighten > me, particularly > > those > > > who write these columns and those who read and > use these for > > guidance: > > > > > > Assuming that you are serious and not the casual > 'dipper' into > > these > > > out of curiousity or boredom (waiting for your > turn at the > barber's > > > shop or at the dentist's office etc.), how > often have you found > > these > > > to come to pass and to what level of accuracy or > detail? > > > > > > Assuming that you are really really serious and > diligent, you may > > be > > > reading several of these columns and predictions > for a given > > period, > > > in different magazines or newspapers etc. How > often have you > found > > > Column 'A' to be saying the same or > similar as given in > column 'B'? > > > How consistent are these astrology columns, with > one another? > > > > > > Fair questions? I sure hope so! > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 sir, theer are many exclusive tamil books also and i will give the list after my pongal break. the saraswathi mahal library is now under central govt and will give the details also soon regards --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar Re: Astrological Forecast Columns Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 5:50 PM Sankar, well there is nothing unique or exclusive about Gochatra usage and TN alone. most classical works in Sanskrit have sevoted sections to it so have modern astrologers too the Navagraha templ practice is there in most of places south of Vindhyas that is Maharashtra, karnataka, andrapradesh, kerala I do conceded there is a temple belt for 9 Grahas in TN. the parihara or upayas are given by Parashara long ago for the weak or makefic periods, transits [gochara] and many books that have come after it are more of its branhces BPHS is a banyan tree and rest of works like Jataka Parijatha, Phaladeepika, Uttara kalmrutha, jataka tatwa, Jataka Alankara etc are ones that have added value to BPHS during the times of the composers without tinkering the original base of BPHS so that people can dapat from it for anytime. for a long time Jatakalankara and chandrika were used in TN recently only U S Pulipani has been doing more works from sankrit to tamil and after sanskrit Telugu, kannada , Malyalam have more works in most vedic heritage Jyotishya included to keep the so called dravidain superioirty p british legacy of divide an rule in tact] the TN paoliticians did not allow the collection of Saraswathi library to be shared by rest of Indian scholars nor did they do anything on it so we will never know the truth of any historical order, people with sanskrit knowledge will be dead soon and most works destroyed by worms, insects and politicanl bias. united we gain sadly no other state in India has even bothered about knowing its past so we can never know or real history and left parties who have doctered and taught us biased invader friendly history and this is more pro West asian born friendly than even if they claim aryans came from central asia they r not given so much protection in their writings. nothing is there to show Aryans had run over a superior local pouplation so we are just one race divided by British for their convenience north as Hindu -Muslim south as aryan and dravidian. Best wishes prashant ____________ _________ _________ __ sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan@ > Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:51:14 PM Re: Astrological Forecast Columns Respected Sir, In tamilnadu around 20 exclusive magazines are published on weekly forecast. As an average 3 rasis will be in sade sati any time, one each will have sani in ashtama and ardashtama. simillarly 1/12th will have guru in ashtama, dasama and janma. Average 60% of population will have any one of these. The tamil people and the astrologers here give more emphasis on gochara. Here all the temples both old and new have a navagraha shirine and people will be continuously doing poojas. The advise of eminent people like you on this has helped us to understand the gochara effects. regards Sankar --- On Mon, 1/12/09, vattem krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote: vattem krishnan <bursar_99 > Re: Astrological Forecast Columns Monday, January 12, 2009, 10:34 PM Dear Mr sankaranarayana and others, Once I was asked by " Dainik bhaskarin Delhi to write abou daily rasi predictions. some how at the same time SHRI KNRao was also there.we just concluded this is chep media and for time pass and fill space in media.Particularly, some desperate people look for these cols.sevarl known astrologers in Delhi like Prof Nagar and Pandey etc write in media.Nothing is relevant and of no use. I still remebr those days when Hindu used to have a weekly col about astrolo way back.Also India Express by pete vidal,somewhat of consisitency. other not to be depend and nothing can be made out vrkrishnan ____________ _________ _________ __ sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan@ > Monday, January 12, 2009 11:34:03 AM Re: Astrological Forecast Columns Dear Sirs, I am telling about the books of reputed people. In Tamilnadu lot of emphasis is laid on the Gochara, with respect to Moon sign. The 7 1/2 of sani sade sathi, sani's ashtamasthan from moon sign, Guru's transition ( the 10th from moon sign is dreaded and is supposed to affect career- The 9th position is supposed to be great) and Rahu's position on 10th place from moon sign etc. Surprisinly these things do happen and just the gochara combination of these 3 planets seems to give certain clarity. Also during the bad combination, they advise to check the current dasa bookthi of individual and tell the gochara is a tentative indication. The gochara from Chandra lagna seems to have a defenet effects and the predictions seem to be 80% accurate. Please guide us on this Sankar --- On Mon, 1/12/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> wrote: > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> > Re: Astrological Forecast Columns > > Monday, January 12, 2009, 9:59 AM > On that inevitable and certain critical day when each of us > lay down > our bodies, hopefully not in pain but in peaceful > anticipation of > what wiser folks have assured us time and again is but > a 'homecoming' , a return to the 'roots', > each one of us will have to > recall, and judge for ourselves, our actions, our attitudes > and > figure out if we were true to our-selves, our life-plan and > general > plan of action! Not what the *group* did ... > > That is the plain, cold, naked reality! > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > <gbp_kumar@. ..> wrote: > > > > Dear RRji, > > > > caps not intended to shout my way thru happned so > added this line > later, > > > > > > THIS IS INEVITABLE change, JUST LIKE ASTROLOGERS > ADOPTEDFROM THE > MANUAL CASTING TO S/W DRIVEN TO ADAPT THEMSELVES TO THE > TIMES, TO > SAVE WORK AND DELIVER TO MORE PPL A NEVER ENDING STREAM OF > ISSUES > THAT CONFRONT THEM, NO OF CONSUMERS R RISING AS WELL. BUT > THE > ENTERTAINMENT SECTION MUST COME WITH A RIDER THAT THESE R > general and > for specific ones please see a local or family or a > professional > astrologer will be a better and desirable one than this > which is > BROAD BASED for the wider audiences. > > > > for their individual needs must seek a professional > and personal > help preferably face to face. > > > > TILL THEN WE LOOSE TO THE CRITICS AND AND CRITICS OF > aSROLOGY THE > left parties are also running this shows on their TV news > networks > like NDTV, IBNLIVE, TIMES NOW most of the heads r from NDTV > the hard > core left agenda one and has conduceted most shows in t > talk or > debate ones to bash, discredit all Hindu wasy as primitive, > > obscurunist or communal " saffron brigade " if u > have a view /concern > on Hindu issues but will champoion alll non Hindu issues to > the hilt > even if it s terror, crime by the, and they west can say > that not all > criminals, terrorists but the ones caught are max from them > but thse > left media ppl here wil automaticall brand u a saffron > brigade tirade > will go out o the way in highliting them poverty, lack of > education > jobs for them to be in such a situation when we see now > well to do, > professions and wrok good families in such areas more for > the > contempt fr what they feels in not of their view or agenda. > > > > so astrology is no exception and with so much risk > involved and > critics to discredit it we have to choose to be careful in > such works > and always hightliht the personal consultation aspects. > more > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > Monday, January 12, 2009 8:23:06 AM > > Re: Astrological Forecast Columns > > > > > > Kumar ji, > > > > Your thoughtful message and particularly the last para > that sums it > > all very succinctly was appreciated. > > > > But why blame the astrologers -- they are just > providing a service > > that the consumer demands and if there are TV shows on > this, then > > consumers are also willing to pay for such a > 'service', I suppose! > > > > I think in the end, astrologers have to collectively > figure out > what > > they want astrology to be seen as. But as we have > often seen in the > > astrological world, " collective " and > 'uniform/united' are not in > the > > vocabulary or standard practice! > > > > RR > > > > , Prashant > Kumar G B > > <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > Dear RRji, > > > > > > > > > u've missed the latest entrant, rather been > here for at least 11 > > yrs in various places the TV channels r queuing up for > the daily > > forecast in Breakfast news time...! > > > > > > well most of them have to pay a lot to show up on > TV so > astrologers > > who have a good capital base [need not be subject > wise] can afford > > to spend time on them and also get back some good > returns on it > > > > > > > > > most of them r for entertainment whichever medium > they appear in. > > > > > > and HAVE NEVER READ THEM myself or hear them on > TV except at > > PANCHANGA SHRAVANA times every UGADI or New Year time, > which at > least > > has a strong foundation in tradition and some value > for a yrs > length. > > > > > > in fact the noise brigade of all groups chief > had spoken to > > someone to help me out when we had a short stint of > peace on a > forum > > I was asked to do this I tried my best to do it a felt > it is not > > possible to give one for every month and still be > different from > what > > is already there in various medias. > > > > > > did search various sources and did some work > which did not meet > > their expectations of 20-30 lines per transit IN A > MONTH FOR THE 12 > > RASI SIGN BORN ALL TRANSITS COVERED. QUITE ALABOROUS > EVEN TO FIND > > SOME USEFUL MATERIAL AS NOT ALL GRAHAS MOVE MUCH IN A > MONTH > > > > > > but THEIR EXPECTATIONS AND MY CONTRIBUTION DID > NOT MATCH AND IT > > ENDED THERE, no regrets on this as it is not a SUBJEC > T FOR > > ENTERTAINMENT but a source of a guide and we can't > do justice to it > > as it covers 12% of the pouplation just like that and > we know how > > diverse each one can be even if in same house i mean > same family > > members, same age or diff ages so to put all fruits in > one basket > is > > too much > > > > > > and most of them don't like any stressful or > serious words and so > > the scope gets even hard to word them and I know many > who do write > > them more like a piece of literature with a lot of > astro jargon > than > > fundamentals in it WHICH AS I RESTATE IS NOT POSSIBLE > FOE SUCH A > > WIDE CANVAS. in this world > > > > > > ASTROLOGERS MUST STICK TO NEED BASED GUIDELINES. > SPECIFIC > QUESTIONS > > AND ANSWERS ONLY AND RETAIN THE SUBJECTS UTILITY ANY > ATTEMPT TO > > DILUTE IT WILL HARM THEM IN LONG RUN AND GIVE THE > SKEPTICS A > PUNCHING > > BAG FOR FREE. ASTROLOGY HAS TO BE SEEN USEFUL NOT A > ENTERTAINMENT > > SOURCE. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > Monday, January 12, 2009 6:33:20 AM > > > Astrological Forecast Columns > > > > > > > > > If there is one 'tradition' that has > survived in astrology over > > > decades and perhaps centuries (?) is the > 'Astrology Forecast > > Column'. > > > The ready reckoner, the Karma Almanac for all and > sundry that we > > keep > > > seeing in newspapers, magazines, even serious > journals, and books > > and > > > booklets come out when the year changes, often > one for each sign. > > All > > > candidates are fair game: Sunsign, moon sign, > lagna, > > sometimes " what > > > your nakshatras foretell? " and the list goes > on and on... > > > > > > I have some simple questions. Please enlighten > me, particularly > > those > > > who write these columns and those who read and > use these for > > guidance: > > > > > > Assuming that you are serious and not the casual > 'dipper' into > > these > > > out of curiousity or boredom (waiting for your > turn at the > barber's > > > shop or at the dentist's office etc.), how > often have you found > > these > > > to come to pass and to what level of accuracy or > detail? > > > > > > Assuming that you are really really serious and > diligent, you may > > be > > > reading several of these columns and predictions > for a given > > period, > > > in different magazines or newspapers etc. How > often have you > found > > > Column 'A' to be saying the same or > similar as given in > column 'B'? > > > How consistent are these astrology columns, with > one another? > > > > > > Fair questions? I sure hope so! > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 Sir, The jadgalangaram is a widely used book in tamil. The parasara hora is also exclusively used here and the saraswathi mahal libraray is open for all as fortunately is under central govt. Now on weekly predictions: 1. In tamilnadu some good astrologers like Shri AMR are publishing weekly books based on chandra rasi. Sri AMR through is coloumns brought a major section of tamils under the dravidian party influence. Because of him lot of dilapated temples are renovated and lighting of lamps in temples have started in a big way. earlier u could not see any thing in garbagruha now all gurbagrahas have lot of ghee lamps lit, thanks to him. 2. Of the 2 major dravidian parties, one is very religious and open about it. Its leader regularly performs yagna and visits temple openly. The other one is very clandastine but their memebers are now becoming religious. 3. With sabarimala, adi parasakthi cult and vellore golden temple etc, the state is more religious than it was 20 years back. The value of old temples and culture is understoood by a major section. 4. Now on Pradosham (trayodasi) in siva temples and sangada hara chadurthi in ganesh temples and karthga star in murugan temples should be seen to be believed. Right from the small stree corner temple, these functions are held in a big way, with lot of people participating in poojas and carrying the lord in procession. 5. many tamilians now have a slightly better understanding of astrology ( though it is some times half knowledge) and are practising religiouly the advises. All these are due to the mushrooming weekly and fortnightly astrological and bhakthi books. Intrestingly these publications also run political weeklies wheer they bash hinduism. That is a different story. Their political magazine will say no ram sethu and bhathi magazine will say it was actually built by ram. Net net the positive outcome is higher. Regards Sankar --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar Re: Astrological Forecast Columns Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 5:50 PM Sankar, well there is nothing unique or exclusive about Gochatra usage and TN alone. most classical works in Sanskrit have sevoted sections to it so have modern astrologers too the Navagraha templ practice is there in most of places south of Vindhyas that is Maharashtra, karnataka, andrapradesh, kerala I do conceded there is a temple belt for 9 Grahas in TN. the parihara or upayas are given by Parashara long ago for the weak or makefic periods, transits [gochara] and many books that have come after it are more of its branhces BPHS is a banyan tree and rest of works like Jataka Parijatha, Phaladeepika, Uttara kalmrutha, jataka tatwa, Jataka Alankara etc are ones that have added value to BPHS during the times of the composers without tinkering the original base of BPHS so that people can dapat from it for anytime. for a long time Jatakalankara and chandrika were used in TN recently only U S Pulipani has been doing more works from sankrit to tamil and after sanskrit Telugu, kannada , Malyalam have more works in most vedic heritage Jyotishya included to keep the so called dravidain superioirty p british legacy of divide an rule in tact] the TN paoliticians did not allow the collection of Saraswathi library to be shared by rest of Indian scholars nor did they do anything on it so we will never know the truth of any historical order, people with sanskrit knowledge will be dead soon and most works destroyed by worms, insects and politicanl bias. united we gain sadly no other state in India has even bothered about knowing its past so we can never know or real history and left parties who have doctered and taught us biased invader friendly history and this is more pro West asian born friendly than even if they claim aryans came from central asia they r not given so much protection in their writings. nothing is there to show Aryans had run over a superior local pouplation so we are just one race divided by British for their convenience north as Hindu -Muslim south as aryan and dravidian. Best wishes prashant ____________ _________ _________ __ sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan@ > Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:51:14 PM Re: Astrological Forecast Columns Respected Sir, In tamilnadu around 20 exclusive magazines are published on weekly forecast. As an average 3 rasis will be in sade sati any time, one each will have sani in ashtama and ardashtama. simillarly 1/12th will have guru in ashtama, dasama and janma. Average 60% of population will have any one of these. The tamil people and the astrologers here give more emphasis on gochara. Here all the temples both old and new have a navagraha shirine and people will be continuously doing poojas. The advise of eminent people like you on this has helped us to understand the gochara effects. regards Sankar --- On Mon, 1/12/09, vattem krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote: vattem krishnan <bursar_99 > Re: Astrological Forecast Columns Monday, January 12, 2009, 10:34 PM Dear Mr sankaranarayana and others, Once I was asked by " Dainik bhaskarin Delhi to write abou daily rasi predictions. some how at the same time SHRI KNRao was also there.we just concluded this is chep media and for time pass and fill space in media.Particularly, some desperate people look for these cols.sevarl known astrologers in Delhi like Prof Nagar and Pandey etc write in media.Nothing is relevant and of no use. I still remebr those days when Hindu used to have a weekly col about astrolo way back.Also India Express by pete vidal,somewhat of consisitency. other not to be depend and nothing can be made out vrkrishnan ____________ _________ _________ __ sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan@ > Monday, January 12, 2009 11:34:03 AM Re: Astrological Forecast Columns Dear Sirs, I am telling about the books of reputed people. In Tamilnadu lot of emphasis is laid on the Gochara, with respect to Moon sign. The 7 1/2 of sani sade sathi, sani's ashtamasthan from moon sign, Guru's transition ( the 10th from moon sign is dreaded and is supposed to affect career- The 9th position is supposed to be great) and Rahu's position on 10th place from moon sign etc. Surprisinly these things do happen and just the gochara combination of these 3 planets seems to give certain clarity. Also during the bad combination, they advise to check the current dasa bookthi of individual and tell the gochara is a tentative indication. The gochara from Chandra lagna seems to have a defenet effects and the predictions seem to be 80% accurate. Please guide us on this Sankar --- On Mon, 1/12/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> wrote: > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> > Re: Astrological Forecast Columns > > Monday, January 12, 2009, 9:59 AM > On that inevitable and certain critical day when each of us > lay down > our bodies, hopefully not in pain but in peaceful > anticipation of > what wiser folks have assured us time and again is but > a 'homecoming' , a return to the 'roots', > each one of us will have to > recall, and judge for ourselves, our actions, our attitudes > and > figure out if we were true to our-selves, our life-plan and > general > plan of action! Not what the *group* did ... > > That is the plain, cold, naked reality! > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > <gbp_kumar@. ..> wrote: > > > > Dear RRji, > > > > caps not intended to shout my way thru happned so > added this line > later, > > > > > > THIS IS INEVITABLE change, JUST LIKE ASTROLOGERS > ADOPTEDFROM THE > MANUAL CASTING TO S/W DRIVEN TO ADAPT THEMSELVES TO THE > TIMES, TO > SAVE WORK AND DELIVER TO MORE PPL A NEVER ENDING STREAM OF > ISSUES > THAT CONFRONT THEM, NO OF CONSUMERS R RISING AS WELL. BUT > THE > ENTERTAINMENT SECTION MUST COME WITH A RIDER THAT THESE R > general and > for specific ones please see a local or family or a > professional > astrologer will be a better and desirable one than this > which is > BROAD BASED for the wider audiences. > > > > for their individual needs must seek a professional > and personal > help preferably face to face. > > > > TILL THEN WE LOOSE TO THE CRITICS AND AND CRITICS OF > aSROLOGY THE > left parties are also running this shows on their TV news > networks > like NDTV, IBNLIVE, TIMES NOW most of the heads r from NDTV > the hard > core left agenda one and has conduceted most shows in t > talk or > debate ones to bash, discredit all Hindu wasy as primitive, > > obscurunist or communal " saffron brigade " if u > have a view /concern > on Hindu issues but will champoion alll non Hindu issues to > the hilt > even if it s terror, crime by the, and they west can say > that not all > criminals, terrorists but the ones caught are max from them > but thse > left media ppl here wil automaticall brand u a saffron > brigade tirade > will go out o the way in highliting them poverty, lack of > education > jobs for them to be in such a situation when we see now > well to do, > professions and wrok good families in such areas more for > the > contempt fr what they feels in not of their view or agenda. > > > > so astrology is no exception and with so much risk > involved and > critics to discredit it we have to choose to be careful in > such works > and always hightliht the personal consultation aspects. > more > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > Monday, January 12, 2009 8:23:06 AM > > Re: Astrological Forecast Columns > > > > > > Kumar ji, > > > > Your thoughtful message and particularly the last para > that sums it > > all very succinctly was appreciated. > > > > But why blame the astrologers -- they are just > providing a service > > that the consumer demands and if there are TV shows on > this, then > > consumers are also willing to pay for such a > 'service', I suppose! > > > > I think in the end, astrologers have to collectively > figure out > what > > they want astrology to be seen as. But as we have > often seen in the > > astrological world, " collective " and > 'uniform/united' are not in > the > > vocabulary or standard practice! > > > > RR > > > > , Prashant > Kumar G B > > <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > Dear RRji, > > > > > > > > > u've missed the latest entrant, rather been > here for at least 11 > > yrs in various places the TV channels r queuing up for > the daily > > forecast in Breakfast news time...! > > > > > > well most of them have to pay a lot to show up on > TV so > astrologers > > who have a good capital base [need not be subject > wise] can afford > > to spend time on them and also get back some good > returns on it > > > > > > > > > most of them r for entertainment whichever medium > they appear in. > > > > > > and HAVE NEVER READ THEM myself or hear them on > TV except at > > PANCHANGA SHRAVANA times every UGADI or New Year time, > which at > least > > has a strong foundation in tradition and some value > for a yrs > length. > > > > > > in fact the noise brigade of all groups chief > had spoken to > > someone to help me out when we had a short stint of > peace on a > forum > > I was asked to do this I tried my best to do it a felt > it is not > > possible to give one for every month and still be > different from > what > > is already there in various medias. > > > > > > did search various sources and did some work > which did not meet > > their expectations of 20-30 lines per transit IN A > MONTH FOR THE 12 > > RASI SIGN BORN ALL TRANSITS COVERED. QUITE ALABOROUS > EVEN TO FIND > > SOME USEFUL MATERIAL AS NOT ALL GRAHAS MOVE MUCH IN A > MONTH > > > > > > but THEIR EXPECTATIONS AND MY CONTRIBUTION DID > NOT MATCH AND IT > > ENDED THERE, no regrets on this as it is not a SUBJEC > T FOR > > ENTERTAINMENT but a source of a guide and we can't > do justice to it > > as it covers 12% of the pouplation just like that and > we know how > > diverse each one can be even if in same house i mean > same family > > members, same age or diff ages so to put all fruits in > one basket > is > > too much > > > > > > and most of them don't like any stressful or > serious words and so > > the scope gets even hard to word them and I know many > who do write > > them more like a piece of literature with a lot of > astro jargon > than > > fundamentals in it WHICH AS I RESTATE IS NOT POSSIBLE > FOE SUCH A > > WIDE CANVAS. in this world > > > > > > ASTROLOGERS MUST STICK TO NEED BASED GUIDELINES. > SPECIFIC > QUESTIONS > > AND ANSWERS ONLY AND RETAIN THE SUBJECTS UTILITY ANY > ATTEMPT TO > > DILUTE IT WILL HARM THEM IN LONG RUN AND GIVE THE > SKEPTICS A > PUNCHING > > BAG FOR FREE. ASTROLOGY HAS TO BE SEEN USEFUL NOT A > ENTERTAINMENT > > SOURCE. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > Monday, January 12, 2009 6:33:20 AM > > > Astrological Forecast Columns > > > > > > > > > If there is one 'tradition' that has > survived in astrology over > > > decades and perhaps centuries (?) is the > 'Astrology Forecast > > Column'. > > > The ready reckoner, the Karma Almanac for all and > sundry that we > > keep > > > seeing in newspapers, magazines, even serious > journals, and books > > and > > > booklets come out when the year changes, often > one for each sign. > > All > > > candidates are fair game: Sunsign, moon sign, > lagna, > > sometimes " what > > > your nakshatras foretell? " and the list goes > on and on... > > > > > > I have some simple questions. Please enlighten > me, particularly > > those > > > who write these columns and those who read and > use these for > > guidance: > > > > > > Assuming that you are serious and not the casual > 'dipper' into > > these > > > out of curiousity or boredom (waiting for your > turn at the > barber's > > > shop or at the dentist's office etc.), how > often have you found > > these > > > to come to pass and to what level of accuracy or > detail? > > > > > > Assuming that you are really really serious and > diligent, you may > > be > > > reading several of these columns and predictions > for a given > > period, > > > in different magazines or newspapers etc. How > often have you > found > > > Column 'A' to be saying the same or > similar as given in > column 'B'? > > > How consistent are these astrology columns, with > one another? > > > > > > Fair questions? I sure hope so! > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 Dear Sir, Advent of Bahkti and Astrology into prominence and publicity could be seen round the corner of the country.If south has opted for revival of old temples,north has opted good number of new temples and shrines.General outlook towards religion and ancient culture increased with deterioration in social.People have lot of sentiments and most of all fear to the unknown.so we are curious about unknown and also classics and ancient wisdom in Jyotish. weekly and magazines popularity is seen with reference to the coverage.If a particular magazine has no room for weekly forecast it has no spice if not masala.with media paying attention several popular belief has not lagged behind to project these to gain or improve ratings.So measure of reliability of these weekly/monthly forecast can not be taken as granted for consistency and accuracy.This is astrology simplified if not fortune made easy.we have no option except bear with this kind of mockery. vrkrishnan --- On Fri, 1/16/09, sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan wrote: sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan Re: Astrological Forecast Columns Friday, January 16, 2009, 2:34 AM Sir, The jadgalangaram is a widely used book in tamil. The parasara hora is also exclusively used here and the saraswathi mahal libraray is open for all as fortunately is under central govt. Now on weekly predictions: 1. In tamilnadu some good astrologers like Shri AMR are publishing weekly books based on chandra rasi. Sri AMR through is coloumns brought a major section of tamils under the dravidian party influence. Because of him lot of dilapated temples are renovated and lighting of lamps in temples have started in a big way. earlier u could not see any thing in garbagruha now all gurbagrahas have lot of ghee lamps lit, thanks to him. 2. Of the 2 major dravidian parties, one is very religious and open about it. Its leader regularly performs yagna and visits temple openly. The other one is very clandastine but their memebers are now becoming religious. 3. With sabarimala, adi parasakthi cult and vellore golden temple etc, the state is more religious than it was 20 years back. The value of old temples and culture is understoood by a major section. 4. Now on Pradosham (trayodasi) in siva temples and sangada hara chadurthi in ganesh temples and karthga star in murugan temples should be seen to be believed. Right from the small stree corner temple, these functions are held in a big way, with lot of people participating in poojas and carrying the lord in procession. 5. many tamilians now have a slightly better understanding of astrology ( though it is some times half knowledge) and are practising religiouly the advises. All these are due to the mushrooming weekly and fortnightly astrological and bhakthi books. Intrestingly these publications also run political weeklies wheer they bash hinduism. That is a different story. Their political magazine will say no ram sethu and bhathi magazine will say it was actually built by ram. Net net the positive outcome is higher. Regards Sankar --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > wrote: Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > Re: Astrological Forecast Columns Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 5:50 PM Sankar, well there is nothing unique or exclusive about Gochatra usage and TN alone. most classical works in Sanskrit have sevoted sections to it so have modern astrologers too the Navagraha templ practice is there in most of places south of Vindhyas that is Maharashtra, karnataka, andrapradesh, kerala I do concede there is a temple belt for 9 Grahas in TN. the parihara or upayas are given by Parashara long ago for the weak or malefic periods, transits [gochara] and many books that have come after it are more of its branches BPHS is a banyan tree and rest of works like Jataka Parijatha, Phaladeepika, Uttara kalmrutha, jataka tatwa, Jataka Alankara etc are ones that have added value to BPHS during the times of the composers without tinkering the original base of BPHS so that people can adapt from it for anytime. for a long time Jatakalankara and chandrika were used in TN recently only U S Pulipani has been doing more works from Sanskrit to tamil and after Sanskrit Telugu, Kannada , Malayalam have more works in most vedic heritage Jyotishya included to keep the so called dravidain superiority British legacy of divide an rule in tact] the TN politicians did not allow the collection of Saraswathi library to be shared by rest of Indian scholars nor did they do anything on it so we will never know the truth of any historical order, people with Sanskrit knowledge will be dead soon and most works destroyed by worms, insects and political bias. united we gain sadly no other state in India has even bothered about knowing its past so we can never know or real history and left parties who have doctored and taught us biased invader friendly history and this is more pro West Asian born friendly than even if they claim Aryans came from central Asia they r not given so much protection in their writings. nothing is there to show Aryans had run over a superior local population so we are just one race divided by British for their convenience north as Hindu -Muslim south as Aryan and dravidian. 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Guest guest Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 Dear Krishna ji, this is a sad aspect of most values even the so called communists who decry, deride Hinduism , its values culture but are subservient and even color the invaders 1000 yrs of abuses, torture on our culture they are using this more as a MONEY SPINNING EXERCISE, the aspect they find to ridicule in talk shows. and astrologers must take care not to participate in such forums who have no value, respect for Hindu ethos a Hindu by nature is secular, one need not bend backwards like the Nehru model or comunist models. We visit any temple, church with as much ease and if mosques welcome us we will visit them too, dargaas are anyway visited by us isnt it. political bent to History is the worst disservice to humankind recently TAMIL NADU has changeds its Apr 13 or 14th NEW YEAR DATE TO JAN 14th by a gazeete act saying the Apr or chitra masa is a Aryan concept, who has the right to do this, any comittee of experts to check and do this no just a political one. Prashant ________________________________ vattem krishnan <bursar_99 Friday, January 16, 2009 3:20:29 PM Re: Astrological Forecast Columns Dear Sir, Advent of Bahkti and Astrology into prominence and publicity could be seen round the corner of the country.If south has opted for revival of old temples,north has opted good number of new temples and shrines.General outlook towards religion and ancient culture increased with deterioration in social.People have lot of sentiments and most of all fear to the unknown.so we are curious about unknown and also classics and ancient wisdom in Jyotish. weekly and magazines popularity is seen with reference to the coverage.If a particular magazine has no room for weekly forecast it has no spice if not masala.with media paying attention several popular belief has not lagged behind to project these to gain or improve ratings.So measure of reliability of these weekly/monthly forecast can not be taken as granted for consistency and accuracy.This is astrology simplified if not fortune made easy.we have no option except bear with this kind of mockery. vrkrishnan --- On Fri, 1/16/09, sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan@ > wrote: sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan@ > Re: Astrological Forecast Columns Friday, January 16, 2009, 2:34 AM Sir, The jadgalangaram is a widely used book in tamil. The parasara hora is also exclusively used here and the saraswathi mahal libraray is open for all as fortunately is under central govt. Now on weekly predictions: 1. In tamilnadu some good astrologers like Shri AMR are publishing weekly books based on chandra rasi. Sri AMR through is coloumns brought a major section of tamils under the dravidian party influence. Because of him lot of dilapated temples are renovated and lighting of lamps in temples have started in a big way. earlier u could not see any thing in garbagruha now all gurbagrahas have lot of ghee lamps lit, thanks to him. 2. Of the 2 major dravidian parties, one is very religious and open about it. Its leader regularly performs yagna and visits temple openly. The other one is very clandastine but their memebers are now becoming religious. 3. With sabarimala, adi parasakthi cult and vellore golden temple etc, the state is more religious than it was 20 years back. The value of old temples and culture is understoood by a major section. 4. Now on Pradosham (trayodasi) in siva temples and sangada hara chadurthi in ganesh temples and karthga star in murugan temples should be seen to be believed. Right from the small stree corner temple, these functions are held in a big way, with lot of people participating in poojas and carrying the lord in procession. 5. many tamilians now have a slightly better understanding of astrology ( though it is some times half knowledge) and are practising religiouly the advises. All these are due to the mushrooming weekly and fortnightly astrological and bhakthi books. Intrestingly these publications also run political weeklies wheer they bash hinduism. That is a different story. Their political magazine will say no ram sethu and bhathi magazine will say it was actually built by ram. Net net the positive outcome is higher. Regards Sankar --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > wrote: Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > Re: Astrological Forecast Columns Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 5:50 PM Sankar, well there is nothing unique or exclusive about Gochatra usage and TN alone. most classical works in Sanskrit have sevoted sections to it so have modern astrologers too the Navagraha templ practice is there in most of places south of Vindhyas that is Maharashtra, karnataka, andrapradesh, kerala I do concede there is a temple belt for 9 Grahas in TN. the parihara or upayas are given by Parashara long ago for the weak or malefic periods, transits [gochara] and many books that have come after it are more of its branches BPHS is a banyan tree and rest of works like Jataka Parijatha, Phaladeepika, Uttara kalmrutha, jataka tatwa, Jataka Alankara etc are ones that have added value to BPHS during the times of the composers without tinkering the original base of BPHS so that people can adapt from it for anytime. for a long time Jatakalankara and chandrika were used in TN recently only U S Pulipani has been doing more works from Sanskrit to tamil and after Sanskrit Telugu, Kannada , Malayalam have more works in most vedic heritage Jyotishya included to keep the so called dravidain superiority British legacy of divide an rule in tact] the TN politicians did not allow the collection of Saraswathi library to be shared by rest of Indian scholars nor did they do anything on it so we will never know the truth of any historical order, people with Sanskrit knowledge will be dead soon and most works destroyed by worms, insects and political bias. united we gain sadly no other state in India has even bothered about knowing its past so we can never know or real history and left parties who have doctored and taught us biased invader friendly history and this is more pro West Asian born friendly than even if they claim Aryans came from central Asia they r not given so much protection in their writings. nothing is there to show Aryans had run over a superior local population so we are just one race divided by British for their convenience north as Hindu -Muslim south as Aryan and dravidian. 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Guest guest Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 Dear Friends, For all forecasts in Astrology,it is the positon gochara/transit that matters than the natal position for any thing that has to happen through dasa/anatardasa.Even all Astrologers mostly go through prashna mode to find feasibilty or otherwise b4 attending to specific querry. This has nothing however to do with Astrological forecasts given regularly in meida as these predictions do not consider gochara issues. Infact in these forecasts most of the readers read their rasis based on heliocentric wise zodiac or nama rasi but never according to the lagna and even nakshtra at the time of birth.If something in really life took place and it was mentioned in the forecats it is just coincidence but not to add authenticity to the forecats. vrkrishnan --- On Thu, 1/15/09, sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan wrote: sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan Re: Astrological Forecast Columns Thursday, January 15, 2009, 10:18 AM sir, theer are many exclusive tamil books also and i will give the list after my pongal break. the saraswathi mahal library is now under central govt and will give the details also soon regards --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > wrote: Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > Re: Astrological Forecast Columns Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 5:50 PM Sankar, well there is nothing unique or exclusive about Gochatra usage and TN alone. most classical works in Sanskrit have sevoted sections to it so have modern astrologers too the Navagraha templ practice is there in most of places south of Vindhyas that is Maharashtra, karnataka, andrapradesh, kerala I do conceded there is a temple belt for 9 Grahas in TN. the parihara or upayas are given by Parashara long ago for the weak or makefic periods, transits [gochara] and many books that have come after it are more of its branhces BPHS is a banyan tree and rest of works like Jataka Parijatha, Phaladeepika, Uttara kalmrutha, jataka tatwa, Jataka Alankara etc are ones that have added value to BPHS during the times of the composers without tinkering the original base of BPHS so that people can dapat from it for anytime. for a long time Jatakalankara and chandrika were used in TN recently only U S Pulipani has been doing more works from sankrit to tamil and after sanskrit Telugu, kannada , Malyalam have more works in most vedic heritage Jyotishya included to keep the so called dravidain superioirty p british legacy of divide an rule in tact] the TN paoliticians did not allow the collection of Saraswathi library to be shared by rest of Indian scholars nor did they do anything on it so we will never know the truth of any historical order, people with sanskrit knowledge will be dead soon and most works destroyed by worms, insects and politicanl bias. united we gain sadly no other state in India has even bothered about knowing its past so we can never know or real history and left parties who have doctered and taught us biased invader friendly history and this is more pro West asian born friendly than even if they claim aryans came from central asia they r not given so much protection in their writings. nothing is there to show Aryans had run over a superior local pouplation so we are just one race divided by British for their convenience north as Hindu -Muslim south as aryan and dravidian. Best wishes prashant ____________ _________ _________ __ sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan@ > Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:51:14 PM Re: Astrological Forecast Columns Respected Sir, In tamilnadu around 20 exclusive magazines are published on weekly forecast. As an average 3 rasis will be in sade sati any time, one each will have sani in ashtama and ardashtama. simillarly 1/12th will have guru in ashtama, dasama and janma. Average 60% of population will have any one of these. The tamil people and the astrologers here give more emphasis on gochara. Here all the temples both old and new have a navagraha shirine and people will be continuously doing poojas. The advise of eminent people like you on this has helped us to understand the gochara effects. regards Sankar --- On Mon, 1/12/09, vattem krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote: vattem krishnan <bursar_99 > Re: Astrological Forecast Columns Monday, January 12, 2009, 10:34 PM Dear Mr sankaranarayana and others, Once I was asked by " Dainik bhaskarin Delhi to write abou daily rasi predictions. some how at the same time SHRI KNRao was also there.we just concluded this is chep media and for time pass and fill space in media.Particularly, some desperate people look for these cols.sevarl known astrologers in Delhi like Prof Nagar and Pandey etc write in media.Nothing is relevant and of no use. I still remebr those days when Hindu used to have a weekly col about astrolo way back.Also India Express by pete vidal,somewhat of consisitency. other not to be depend and nothing can be made out vrkrishnan ____________ _________ _________ __ sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan@ > Monday, January 12, 2009 11:34:03 AM Re: Astrological Forecast Columns Dear Sirs, I am telling about the books of reputed people. In Tamilnadu lot of emphasis is laid on the Gochara, with respect to Moon sign. The 7 1/2 of sani sade sathi, sani's ashtamasthan from moon sign, Guru's transition ( the 10th from moon sign is dreaded and is supposed to affect career- The 9th position is supposed to be great) and Rahu's position on 10th place from moon sign etc. Surprisinly these things do happen and just the gochara combination of these 3 planets seems to give certain clarity. Also during the bad combination, they advise to check the current dasa bookthi of individual and tell the gochara is a tentative indication. The gochara from Chandra lagna seems to have a defenet effects and the predictions seem to be 80% accurate. Please guide us on this Sankar --- On Mon, 1/12/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> wrote: > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> > Re: Astrological Forecast Columns > > Monday, January 12, 2009, 9:59 AM > On that inevitable and certain critical day when each of us > lay down > our bodies, hopefully not in pain but in peaceful > anticipation of > what wiser folks have assured us time and again is but > a 'homecoming' , a return to the 'roots', > each one of us will have to > recall, and judge for ourselves, our actions, our attitudes > and > figure out if we were true to our-selves, our life-plan and > general > plan of action! Not what the *group* did ... > > That is the plain, cold, naked reality! > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > <gbp_kumar@. ..> wrote: > > > > Dear RRji, > > > > caps not intended to shout my way thru happned so > added this line > later, > > > > > > THIS IS INEVITABLE change, JUST LIKE ASTROLOGERS > ADOPTEDFROM THE > MANUAL CASTING TO S/W DRIVEN TO ADAPT THEMSELVES TO THE > TIMES, TO > SAVE WORK AND DELIVER TO MORE PPL A NEVER ENDING STREAM OF > ISSUES > THAT CONFRONT THEM, NO OF CONSUMERS R RISING AS WELL. BUT > THE > ENTERTAINMENT SECTION MUST COME WITH A RIDER THAT THESE R > general and > for specific ones please see a local or family or a > professional > astrologer will be a better and desirable one than this > which is > BROAD BASED for the wider audiences. > > > > for their individual needs must seek a professional > and personal > help preferably face to face. > > > > TILL THEN WE LOOSE TO THE CRITICS AND AND CRITICS OF > aSROLOGY THE > left parties are also running this shows on their TV news > networks > like NDTV, IBNLIVE, TIMES NOW most of the heads r from NDTV > the hard > core left agenda one and has conduceted most shows in t > talk or > debate ones to bash, discredit all Hindu wasy as primitive, > > obscurunist or communal " saffron brigade " if u > have a view /concern > on Hindu issues but will champoion alll non Hindu issues to > the hilt > even if it s terror, crime by the, and they west can say > that not all > criminals, terrorists but the ones caught are max from them > but thse > left media ppl here wil automaticall brand u a saffron > brigade tirade > will go out o the way in highliting them poverty, lack of > education > jobs for them to be in such a situation when we see now > well to do, > professions and wrok good families in such areas more for > the > contempt fr what they feels in not of their view or agenda. > > > > so astrology is no exception and with so much risk > involved and > critics to discredit it we have to choose to be careful in > such works > and always hightliht the personal consultation aspects. > more > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > Monday, January 12, 2009 8:23:06 AM > > Re: Astrological Forecast Columns > > > > > > Kumar ji, > > > > Your thoughtful message and particularly the last para > that sums it > > all very succinctly was appreciated. > > > > But why blame the astrologers -- they are just > providing a service > > that the consumer demands and if there are TV shows on > this, then > > consumers are also willing to pay for such a > 'service', I suppose! > > > > I think in the end, astrologers have to collectively > figure out > what > > they want astrology to be seen as. But as we have > often seen in the > > astrological world, " collective " and > 'uniform/united' are not in > the > > vocabulary or standard practice! > > > > RR > > > > , Prashant > Kumar G B > > <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > Dear RRji, > > > > > > > > > u've missed the latest entrant, rather been > here for at least 11 > > yrs in various places the TV channels r queuing up for > the daily > > forecast in Breakfast news time...! > > > > > > well most of them have to pay a lot to show up on > TV so > astrologers > > who have a good capital base [need not be subject > wise] can afford > > to spend time on them and also get back some good > returns on it > > > > > > > > > most of them r for entertainment whichever medium > they appear in. > > > > > > and HAVE NEVER READ THEM myself or hear them on > TV except at > > PANCHANGA SHRAVANA times every UGADI or New Year time, > which at > least > > has a strong foundation in tradition and some value > for a yrs > length. > > > > > > in fact the noise brigade of all groups chief > had spoken to > > someone to help me out when we had a short stint of > peace on a > forum > > I was asked to do this I tried my best to do it a felt > it is not > > possible to give one for every month and still be > different from > what > > is already there in various medias. > > > > > > did search various sources and did some work > which did not meet > > their expectations of 20-30 lines per transit IN A > MONTH FOR THE 12 > > RASI SIGN BORN ALL TRANSITS COVERED. QUITE ALABOROUS > EVEN TO FIND > > SOME USEFUL MATERIAL AS NOT ALL GRAHAS MOVE MUCH IN A > MONTH > > > > > > but THEIR EXPECTATIONS AND MY CONTRIBUTION DID > NOT MATCH AND IT > > ENDED THERE, no regrets on this as it is not a SUBJEC > T FOR > > ENTERTAINMENT but a source of a guide and we can't > do justice to it > > as it covers 12% of the pouplation just like that and > we know how > > diverse each one can be even if in same house i mean > same family > > members, same age or diff ages so to put all fruits in > one basket > is > > too much > > > > > > and most of them don't like any stressful or > serious words and so > > the scope gets even hard to word them and I know many > who do write > > them more like a piece of literature with a lot of > astro jargon > than > > fundamentals in it WHICH AS I RESTATE IS NOT POSSIBLE > FOE SUCH A > > WIDE CANVAS. in this world > > > > > > ASTROLOGERS MUST STICK TO NEED BASED GUIDELINES. > SPECIFIC > QUESTIONS > > AND ANSWERS ONLY AND RETAIN THE SUBJECTS UTILITY ANY > ATTEMPT TO > > DILUTE IT WILL HARM THEM IN LONG RUN AND GIVE THE > SKEPTICS A > PUNCHING > > BAG FOR FREE. ASTROLOGY HAS TO BE SEEN USEFUL NOT A > ENTERTAINMENT > > SOURCE. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > Monday, January 12, 2009 6:33:20 AM > > > Astrological Forecast Columns > > > > > > > > > If there is one 'tradition' that has > survived in astrology over > > > decades and perhaps centuries (?) is the > 'Astrology Forecast > > Column'. > > > The ready reckoner, the Karma Almanac for all and > sundry that we > > keep > > > seeing in newspapers, magazines, even serious > journals, and books > > and > > > booklets come out when the year changes, often > one for each sign. > > All > > > candidates are fair game: Sunsign, moon sign, > lagna, > > sometimes " what > > > your nakshatras foretell? " and the list goes > on and on... > > > > > > I have some simple questions. Please enlighten > me, particularly > > those > > > who write these columns and those who read and > use these for > > guidance: > > > > > > Assuming that you are serious and not the casual > 'dipper' into > > these > > > out of curiousity or boredom (waiting for your > turn at the > barber's > > > shop or at the dentist's office etc.), how > often have you found > > these > > > to come to pass and to what level of accuracy or > detail? > > > > > > Assuming that you are really really serious and > diligent, you may > > be > > > reading several of these columns and predictions > for a given > > period, > > > in different magazines or newspapers etc. How > often have you > found > > > Column 'A' to be saying the same or > similar as given in > column 'B'? > > > How consistent are these astrology columns, with > one another? > > > > > > Fair questions? I sure hope so! > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 ||Jai Ramakrishna|| Dear Krishnanji, Astrologically correct!!!! A senior news editor & reporter once told me, to make a newspaper popular, we have to put three things daily in the newspaper, viz., Daily Predictions based on Moon sign/Sun Sign, news of rape & news of politics, else it wont run. Thats why in Bengal or in Kolkata most of dailies(barring ones run by Communists)have these three things as its " Anga " or " Pratyanga " , be it english or bengali daily & then comes weekly, fortnightly or monthly magazines. However,I dont think any predictions have matched with me, be it daily predictions or even the tarrot readers in TV or the famous Prasna Shastri who comes in Aaj Tak(its obvious, about whom I am speaking). Thank you, . , vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > Dear Friends, > For all forecasts in Astrology,it is the positon gochara/transit that matters than the natal position for any thing that has to happen through dasa/anatardasa.Even all Astrologers mostly go through prashna mode to find feasibilty or otherwise b4 attending to specific querry. > This has nothing however to do with Astrological forecasts given regularly in meida as these predictions do not consider gochara issues. > Infact in these forecasts most of the readers read their rasis based on heliocentric wise zodiac or nama rasi but never according to the lagna and even nakshtra at the time of birth.If something in really life took place and it was mentioned in the forecats it is just coincidence but not to add authenticity to the forecats. > vrkrishnan > > --- On Thu, 1/15/09, sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan wrote: > > sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan > Re: Astrological Forecast Columns > > Thursday, January 15, 2009, 10:18 AM sir, > > theer are many exclusive tamil books also and i will give the list after my pongal break. > > the saraswathi mahal library is now under central govt and will give the details also soon > > regards > > --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > wrote: > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > > Re: Astrological Forecast Columns > > Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 5:50 PM > > Sankar, > > well there is nothing unique or exclusive about Gochatra usage and TN alone. > > most classical works in Sanskrit have sevoted sections to it > > so have modern astrologers too > > the Navagraha templ practice is there in most of places south of Vindhyas that is Maharashtra, karnataka, andrapradesh, kerala > > I do conceded there is a temple belt for 9 Grahas in TN. > > the parihara or upayas are given by Parashara long ago for the weak or makefic periods, transits [gochara] and many books that have come after it are more of its branhces > > BPHS is a banyan tree and rest of works like Jataka Parijatha, Phaladeepika, Uttara kalmrutha, jataka tatwa, Jataka Alankara etc are ones that have added value to BPHS during the times of the composers without tinkering the original base of BPHS so that people can dapat from it for anytime. > > for a long time Jatakalankara and chandrika were used in TN recently only U S Pulipani has been doing more works from sankrit to tamil > > and after sanskrit Telugu, kannada , Malyalam have more works in most vedic heritage Jyotishya included > > to keep the so called dravidain superioirty p british legacy of divide an rule in tact] the TN paoliticians did not allow the collection of Saraswathi library to be shared by rest of Indian scholars nor did they do anything on it so we will never know the truth of any historical order, people with sanskrit knowledge will be dead soon and most works destroyed by worms, insects and politicanl bias. > > united we gain sadly no other state in India has even bothered about knowing its past so we can never know or real history and left parties who have doctered and taught us biased invader friendly history and this is more pro West asian born friendly than even if they claim aryans came from central asia they r not given so much protection in their writings. nothing is there to show Aryans had run over a superior local pouplation so we are just one race divided by British for their convenience north as Hindu -Muslim south as aryan and dravidian. > > Best wishes > > prashant > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan@ > > > > > Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:51:14 PM > > Re: Astrological Forecast Columns > > Respected Sir, > > In tamilnadu around 20 exclusive magazines are published on weekly forecast. > > As an average 3 rasis will be in sade sati any time, one each will have sani in ashtama and ardashtama. > > simillarly 1/12th will have guru in ashtama, dasama and janma. Average 60% of population will have any one of these. > > The tamil people and the astrologers here give more emphasis on gochara. Here all the temples both old and new have a navagraha shirine and people will be continuously doing poojas. > > The advise of eminent people like you on this has helped us to understand the gochara effects. > > regards > > Sankar > > --- On Mon, 1/12/09, vattem krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote: > > vattem krishnan <bursar_99 > > > Re: Astrological Forecast Columns > > > > Monday, January 12, 2009, 10:34 PM > > Dear Mr sankaranarayana and others, > > Once I was asked by " Dainik bhaskarin Delhi to write abou daily rasi predictions. some how at the same time SHRI KNRao was also there.we just concluded this is chep media and for time pass and fill space in media.Particularly, some desperate people look for these cols.sevarl known astrologers in Delhi like Prof Nagar and Pandey etc write in media.Nothing is relevant and of no use. > > I still remebr those days when Hindu used to have a weekly col about astrolo way back.Also India Express by pete vidal,somewhat of consisitency. other not to be depend and nothing can be made out > > vrkrishnan > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan@ > > > > > Monday, January 12, 2009 11:34:03 AM > > Re: Astrological Forecast Columns > > Dear Sirs, > > I am telling about the books of reputed people. > > In Tamilnadu lot of emphasis is laid on the Gochara, with respect to Moon sign. The 7 1/2 of sani sade sathi, sani's ashtamasthan from moon sign, Guru's transition ( the 10th from moon sign is dreaded and is supposed to affect career- The 9th position is supposed to be great) and Rahu's position on 10th place from moon sign etc. > > Surprisinly these things do happen and just the gochara combination of these 3 planets seems to give certain clarity. > > Also during the bad combination, they advise to check the current dasa bookthi of individual and tell the gochara is a tentative indication. The gochara from Chandra lagna seems to have a defenet effects and the predictions seem to be 80% accurate. > > Please guide us on this > > Sankar > > --- On Mon, 1/12/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> > > > Re: Astrological Forecast Columns > > > > > > Monday, January 12, 2009, 9:59 AM > > > On that inevitable and certain critical day when each of us > > > lay down > > > our bodies, hopefully not in pain but in peaceful > > > anticipation of > > > what wiser folks have assured us time and again is but > > > a 'homecoming' , a return to the 'roots', > > > each one of us will have to > > > recall, and judge for ourselves, our actions, our attitudes > > > and > > > figure out if we were true to our-selves, our life-plan and > > > general > > > plan of action! Not what the *group* did ... > > > > > > That is the plain, cold, naked reality! > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > > > > <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, > > > > > > > > caps not intended to shout my way thru happned so > > > added this line > > > later, > > > > > > > > > > > > THIS IS INEVITABLE change, JUST LIKE ASTROLOGERS > > > ADOPTEDFROM THE > > > MANUAL CASTING TO S/W DRIVEN TO ADAPT THEMSELVES TO THE > > > TIMES, TO > > > SAVE WORK AND DELIVER TO MORE PPL A NEVER ENDING STREAM OF > > > ISSUES > > > THAT CONFRONT THEM, NO OF CONSUMERS R RISING AS WELL. BUT > > > THE > > > ENTERTAINMENT SECTION MUST COME WITH A RIDER THAT THESE R > > > general and > > > for specific ones please see a local or family or a > > > professional > > > astrologer will be a better and desirable one than this > > > which is > > > BROAD BASED for the wider audiences. > > > > > > > > for their individual needs must seek a professional > > > and personal > > > help preferably face to face. > > > > > > > > TILL THEN WE LOOSE TO THE CRITICS AND AND CRITICS OF > > > aSROLOGY THE > > > left parties are also running this shows on their TV news > > > networks > > > like NDTV, IBNLIVE, TIMES NOW most of the heads r from NDTV > > > the hard > > > core left agenda one and has conduceted most shows in t > > > talk or > > > debate ones to bash, discredit all Hindu wasy as primitive, > > > > > > obscurunist or communal " saffron brigade " if u > > > have a view /concern > > > on Hindu issues but will champoion alll non Hindu issues to > > > the hilt > > > even if it s terror, crime by the, and they west can say > > > that not all > > > criminals, terrorists but the ones caught are max from them > > > but thse > > > left media ppl here wil automaticall brand u a saffron > > > brigade tirade > > > will go out o the way in highliting them poverty, lack of > > > education > > > jobs for them to be in such a situation when we see now > > > well to do, > > > professions and wrok good families in such areas more for > > > the > > > contempt fr what they feels in not of their view or agenda. > > > > > > > > so astrology is no exception and with so much risk > > > involved and > > > critics to discredit it we have to choose to be careful in > > > such works > > > and always hightliht the personal consultation aspects. > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > > > Monday, January 12, 2009 8:23:06 AM > > > > Re: Astrological Forecast Columns > > > > > > > > > > > > Kumar ji, > > > > > > > > Your thoughtful message and particularly the last para > > > that sums it > > > > all very succinctly was appreciated. > > > > > > > > But why blame the astrologers -- they are just > > > providing a service > > > > that the consumer demands and if there are TV shows on > > > this, then > > > > consumers are also willing to pay for such a > > > 'service', I suppose! > > > > > > > > I think in the end, astrologers have to collectively > > > figure out > > > what > > > > they want astrology to be seen as. But as we have > > > often seen in the > > > > astrological world, " collective " and > > > 'uniform/united' are not in > > > the > > > > vocabulary or standard practice! > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > , Prashant > > > Kumar G B > > > > <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u've missed the latest entrant, rather been > > > here for at least 11 > > > > yrs in various places the TV channels r queuing up for > > > the daily > > > > forecast in Breakfast news time...! > > > > > > > > > > well most of them have to pay a lot to show up on > > > TV so > > > astrologers > > > > who have a good capital base [need not be subject > > > wise] can afford > > > > to spend time on them and also get back some good > > > returns on it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > most of them r for entertainment whichever medium > > > they appear in. > > > > > > > > > > and HAVE NEVER READ THEM myself or hear them on > > > TV except at > > > > PANCHANGA SHRAVANA times every UGADI or New Year time, > > > which at > > > least > > > > has a strong foundation in tradition and some value > > > for a yrs > > > length. > > > > > > > > > > in fact the noise brigade of all groups chief > > > had spoken to > > > > someone to help me out when we had a short stint of > > > peace on a > > > forum > > > > I was asked to do this I tried my best to do it a felt > > > it is not > > > > possible to give one for every month and still be > > > different from > > > what > > > > is already there in various medias. > > > > > > > > > > did search various sources and did some work > > > which did not meet > > > > their expectations of 20-30 lines per transit IN A > > > MONTH FOR THE 12 > > > > RASI SIGN BORN ALL TRANSITS COVERED. QUITE ALABOROUS > > > EVEN TO FIND > > > > SOME USEFUL MATERIAL AS NOT ALL GRAHAS MOVE MUCH IN A > > > MONTH > > > > > > > > > > but THEIR EXPECTATIONS AND MY CONTRIBUTION DID > > > NOT MATCH AND IT > > > > ENDED THERE, no regrets on this as it is not a SUBJEC > > > T FOR > > > > ENTERTAINMENT but a source of a guide and we can't > > > do justice to it > > > > as it covers 12% of the pouplation just like that and > > > we know how > > > > diverse each one can be even if in same house i mean > > > same family > > > > members, same age or diff ages so to put all fruits in > > > one basket > > > is > > > > too much > > > > > > > > > > and most of them don't like any stressful or > > > serious words and so > > > > the scope gets even hard to word them and I know many > > > who do write > > > > them more like a piece of literature with a lot of > > > astro jargon > > > than > > > > fundamentals in it WHICH AS I RESTATE IS NOT POSSIBLE > > > FOE SUCH A > > > > WIDE CANVAS. in this world > > > > > > > > > > ASTROLOGERS MUST STICK TO NEED BASED GUIDELINES. > > > SPECIFIC > > > QUESTIONS > > > > AND ANSWERS ONLY AND RETAIN THE SUBJECTS UTILITY ANY > > > ATTEMPT TO > > > > DILUTE IT WILL HARM THEM IN LONG RUN AND GIVE THE > > > SKEPTICS A > > > PUNCHING > > > > BAG FOR FREE. ASTROLOGY HAS TO BE SEEN USEFUL NOT A > > > ENTERTAINMENT > > > > SOURCE. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > Monday, January 12, 2009 6:33:20 AM > > > > > Astrological Forecast Columns > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If there is one 'tradition' that has > > > survived in astrology over > > > > > decades and perhaps centuries (?) is the > > > 'Astrology Forecast > > > > Column'. > > > > > The ready reckoner, the Karma Almanac for all and > > > sundry that we > > > > keep > > > > > seeing in newspapers, magazines, even serious > > > journals, and books > > > > and > > > > > booklets come out when the year changes, often > > > one for each sign. > > > > All > > > > > candidates are fair game: Sunsign, moon sign, > > > lagna, > > > > sometimes " what > > > > > your nakshatras foretell? " and the list goes > > > on and on... > > > > > > > > > > I have some simple questions. Please enlighten > > > me, particularly > > > > those > > > > > who write these columns and those who read and > > > use these for > > > > guidance: > > > > > > > > > > Assuming that you are serious and not the casual > > > 'dipper' into > > > > these > > > > > out of curiousity or boredom (waiting for your > > > turn at the > > > barber's > > > > > shop or at the dentist's office etc.), how > > > often have you found > > > > these > > > > > to come to pass and to what level of accuracy or > > > detail? > > > > > > > > > > Assuming that you are really really serious and > > > diligent, you may > > > > be > > > > > reading several of these columns and predictions > > > for a given > > > > period, > > > > > in different magazines or newspapers etc. How > > > often have you > > > found > > > > > Column 'A' to be saying the same or > > > similar as given in > > > column 'B'? > > > > > How consistent are these astrology columns, with > > > one another? > > > > > > > > > > Fair questions? I sure hope so! > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2009 Report Share Posted January 17, 2009 Krishnan dada (and other dadas here), It seems that there have been many ways to " skin the cat " <Ouch! I meant 'skin the mango or apple!'>! Some have done astro-tratak on the sunsign, others moon sign, lagna, nakshatras and many other 'points of departure' as the term is I suppose. Has anyone done a follow-up in terms of a natal-to-transit examination, at least for the three outer planets, for instance or perhaps only the saturn or jupiter? Nothing fancy, just the mutual sign disposition between the transiting planet vis-a-vis the natal placement of the transiting planet? Dear All, please share if you have and also please share your experiences if the answer to the above question is 'YES!' , vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > Dear Friends, > For all forecasts in Astrology,it is the positon gochara/transit that matters than the natal position for any thing that has to happen through dasa/anatardasa.Even all Astrologers mostly go through prashna mode to find feasibilty or otherwise b4 attending to specific querry. > This has nothing however to do with Astrological forecasts given regularly in meida as these predictions do not consider gochara issues. > Infact in these forecasts most of the readers read their rasis based on heliocentric wise zodiac or nama rasi but never according to the lagna and even nakshtra at the time of birth.If something in really life took place and it was mentioned in the forecats it is just coincidence but not to add authenticity to the forecats. > vrkrishnan > > --- On Thu, 1/15/09, sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan wrote: > > sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan > Re: Astrological Forecast Columns > > Thursday, January 15, 2009, 10:18 AM sir, > > theer are many exclusive tamil books also and i will give the list after my pongal break. > > the saraswathi mahal library is now under central govt and will give the details also soon > > regards > > --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > wrote: > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > > Re: Astrological Forecast Columns > > Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 5:50 PM > > Sankar, > > well there is nothing unique or exclusive about Gochatra usage and TN alone. > > most classical works in Sanskrit have sevoted sections to it > > so have modern astrologers too > > the Navagraha templ practice is there in most of places south of Vindhyas that is Maharashtra, karnataka, andrapradesh, kerala > > I do conceded there is a temple belt for 9 Grahas in TN. > > the parihara or upayas are given by Parashara long ago for the weak or makefic periods, transits [gochara] and many books that have come after it are more of its branhces > > BPHS is a banyan tree and rest of works like Jataka Parijatha, Phaladeepika, Uttara kalmrutha, jataka tatwa, Jataka Alankara etc are ones that have added value to BPHS during the times of the composers without tinkering the original base of BPHS so that people can dapat from it for anytime. > > for a long time Jatakalankara and chandrika were used in TN recently only U S Pulipani has been doing more works from sankrit to tamil > > and after sanskrit Telugu, kannada , Malyalam have more works in most vedic heritage Jyotishya included > > to keep the so called dravidain superioirty p british legacy of divide an rule in tact] the TN paoliticians did not allow the collection of Saraswathi library to be shared by rest of Indian scholars nor did they do anything on it so we will never know the truth of any historical order, people with sanskrit knowledge will be dead soon and most works destroyed by worms, insects and politicanl bias. > > united we gain sadly no other state in India has even bothered about knowing its past so we can never know or real history and left parties who have doctered and taught us biased invader friendly history and this is more pro West asian born friendly than even if they claim aryans came from central asia they r not given so much protection in their writings. nothing is there to show Aryans had run over a superior local pouplation so we are just one race divided by British for their convenience north as Hindu -Muslim south as aryan and dravidian. > > Best wishes > > prashant > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan@ > > > > > Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:51:14 PM > > Re: Astrological Forecast Columns > > Respected Sir, > > In tamilnadu around 20 exclusive magazines are published on weekly forecast. > > As an average 3 rasis will be in sade sati any time, one each will have sani in ashtama and ardashtama. > > simillarly 1/12th will have guru in ashtama, dasama and janma. Average 60% of population will have any one of these. > > The tamil people and the astrologers here give more emphasis on gochara. Here all the temples both old and new have a navagraha shirine and people will be continuously doing poojas. > > The advise of eminent people like you on this has helped us to understand the gochara effects. > > regards > > Sankar > > --- On Mon, 1/12/09, vattem krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote: > > vattem krishnan <bursar_99 > > > Re: Astrological Forecast Columns > > > > Monday, January 12, 2009, 10:34 PM > > Dear Mr sankaranarayana and others, > > Once I was asked by " Dainik bhaskarin Delhi to write abou daily rasi predictions. some how at the same time SHRI KNRao was also there.we just concluded this is chep media and for time pass and fill space in media.Particularly, some desperate people look for these cols.sevarl known astrologers in Delhi like Prof Nagar and Pandey etc write in media.Nothing is relevant and of no use. > > I still remebr those days when Hindu used to have a weekly col about astrolo way back.Also India Express by pete vidal,somewhat of consisitency. other not to be depend and nothing can be made out > > vrkrishnan > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan@ > > > > > Monday, January 12, 2009 11:34:03 AM > > Re: Astrological Forecast Columns > > Dear Sirs, > > I am telling about the books of reputed people. > > In Tamilnadu lot of emphasis is laid on the Gochara, with respect to Moon sign. The 7 1/2 of sani sade sathi, sani's ashtamasthan from moon sign, Guru's transition ( the 10th from moon sign is dreaded and is supposed to affect career- The 9th position is supposed to be great) and Rahu's position on 10th place from moon sign etc. > > Surprisinly these things do happen and just the gochara combination of these 3 planets seems to give certain clarity. > > Also during the bad combination, they advise to check the current dasa bookthi of individual and tell the gochara is a tentative indication. The gochara from Chandra lagna seems to have a defenet effects and the predictions seem to be 80% accurate. > > Please guide us on this > > Sankar > > --- On Mon, 1/12/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> > > > Re: Astrological Forecast Columns > > > > > > Monday, January 12, 2009, 9:59 AM > > > On that inevitable and certain critical day when each of us > > > lay down > > > our bodies, hopefully not in pain but in peaceful > > > anticipation of > > > what wiser folks have assured us time and again is but > > > a 'homecoming' , a return to the 'roots', > > > each one of us will have to > > > recall, and judge for ourselves, our actions, our attitudes > > > and > > > figure out if we were true to our-selves, our life-plan and > > > general > > > plan of action! Not what the *group* did ... > > > > > > That is the plain, cold, naked reality! > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > > > > <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, > > > > > > > > caps not intended to shout my way thru happned so > > > added this line > > > later, > > > > > > > > > > > > THIS IS INEVITABLE change, JUST LIKE ASTROLOGERS > > > ADOPTEDFROM THE > > > MANUAL CASTING TO S/W DRIVEN TO ADAPT THEMSELVES TO THE > > > TIMES, TO > > > SAVE WORK AND DELIVER TO MORE PPL A NEVER ENDING STREAM OF > > > ISSUES > > > THAT CONFRONT THEM, NO OF CONSUMERS R RISING AS WELL. BUT > > > THE > > > ENTERTAINMENT SECTION MUST COME WITH A RIDER THAT THESE R > > > general and > > > for specific ones please see a local or family or a > > > professional > > > astrologer will be a better and desirable one than this > > > which is > > > BROAD BASED for the wider audiences. > > > > > > > > for their individual needs must seek a professional > > > and personal > > > help preferably face to face. > > > > > > > > TILL THEN WE LOOSE TO THE CRITICS AND AND CRITICS OF > > > aSROLOGY THE > > > left parties are also running this shows on their TV news > > > networks > > > like NDTV, IBNLIVE, TIMES NOW most of the heads r from NDTV > > > the hard > > > core left agenda one and has conduceted most shows in t > > > talk or > > > debate ones to bash, discredit all Hindu wasy as primitive, > > > > > > obscurunist or communal " saffron brigade " if u > > > have a view /concern > > > on Hindu issues but will champoion alll non Hindu issues to > > > the hilt > > > even if it s terror, crime by the, and they west can say > > > that not all > > > criminals, terrorists but the ones caught are max from them > > > but thse > > > left media ppl here wil automaticall brand u a saffron > > > brigade tirade > > > will go out o the way in highliting them poverty, lack of > > > education > > > jobs for them to be in such a situation when we see now > > > well to do, > > > professions and wrok good families in such areas more for > > > the > > > contempt fr what they feels in not of their view or agenda. > > > > > > > > so astrology is no exception and with so much risk > > > involved and > > > critics to discredit it we have to choose to be careful in > > > such works > > > and always hightliht the personal consultation aspects. > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > > > Monday, January 12, 2009 8:23:06 AM > > > > Re: Astrological Forecast Columns > > > > > > > > > > > > Kumar ji, > > > > > > > > Your thoughtful message and particularly the last para > > > that sums it > > > > all very succinctly was appreciated. > > > > > > > > But why blame the astrologers -- they are just > > > providing a service > > > > that the consumer demands and if there are TV shows on > > > this, then > > > > consumers are also willing to pay for such a > > > 'service', I suppose! > > > > > > > > I think in the end, astrologers have to collectively > > > figure out > > > what > > > > they want astrology to be seen as. But as we have > > > often seen in the > > > > astrological world, " collective " and > > > 'uniform/united' are not in > > > the > > > > vocabulary or standard practice! > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > , Prashant > > > Kumar G B > > > > <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u've missed the latest entrant, rather been > > > here for at least 11 > > > > yrs in various places the TV channels r queuing up for > > > the daily > > > > forecast in Breakfast news time...! > > > > > > > > > > well most of them have to pay a lot to show up on > > > TV so > > > astrologers > > > > who have a good capital base [need not be subject > > > wise] can afford > > > > to spend time on them and also get back some good > > > returns on it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > most of them r for entertainment whichever medium > > > they appear in. > > > > > > > > > > and HAVE NEVER READ THEM myself or hear them on > > > TV except at > > > > PANCHANGA SHRAVANA times every UGADI or New Year time, > > > which at > > > least > > > > has a strong foundation in tradition and some value > > > for a yrs > > > length. > > > > > > > > > > in fact the noise brigade of all groups chief > > > had spoken to > > > > someone to help me out when we had a short stint of > > > peace on a > > > forum > > > > I was asked to do this I tried my best to do it a felt > > > it is not > > > > possible to give one for every month and still be > > > different from > > > what > > > > is already there in various medias. > > > > > > > > > > did search various sources and did some work > > > which did not meet > > > > their expectations of 20-30 lines per transit IN A > > > MONTH FOR THE 12 > > > > RASI SIGN BORN ALL TRANSITS COVERED. QUITE ALABOROUS > > > EVEN TO FIND > > > > SOME USEFUL MATERIAL AS NOT ALL GRAHAS MOVE MUCH IN A > > > MONTH > > > > > > > > > > but THEIR EXPECTATIONS AND MY CONTRIBUTION DID > > > NOT MATCH AND IT > > > > ENDED THERE, no regrets on this as it is not a SUBJEC > > > T FOR > > > > ENTERTAINMENT but a source of a guide and we can't > > > do justice to it > > > > as it covers 12% of the pouplation just like that and > > > we know how > > > > diverse each one can be even if in same house i mean > > > same family > > > > members, same age or diff ages so to put all fruits in > > > one basket > > > is > > > > too much > > > > > > > > > > and most of them don't like any stressful or > > > serious words and so > > > > the scope gets even hard to word them and I know many > > > who do write > > > > them more like a piece of literature with a lot of > > > astro jargon > > > than > > > > fundamentals in it WHICH AS I RESTATE IS NOT POSSIBLE > > > FOE SUCH A > > > > WIDE CANVAS. in this world > > > > > > > > > > ASTROLOGERS MUST STICK TO NEED BASED GUIDELINES. > > > SPECIFIC > > > QUESTIONS > > > > AND ANSWERS ONLY AND RETAIN THE SUBJECTS UTILITY ANY > > > ATTEMPT TO > > > > DILUTE IT WILL HARM THEM IN LONG RUN AND GIVE THE > > > SKEPTICS A > > > PUNCHING > > > > BAG FOR FREE. ASTROLOGY HAS TO BE SEEN USEFUL NOT A > > > ENTERTAINMENT > > > > SOURCE. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > Monday, January 12, 2009 6:33:20 AM > > > > > Astrological Forecast Columns > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If there is one 'tradition' that has > > > survived in astrology over > > > > > decades and perhaps centuries (?) is the > > > 'Astrology Forecast > > > > Column'. > > > > > The ready reckoner, the Karma Almanac for all and > > > sundry that we > > > > keep > > > > > seeing in newspapers, magazines, even serious > > > journals, and books > > > > and > > > > > booklets come out when the year changes, often > > > one for each sign. > > > > All > > > > > candidates are fair game: Sunsign, moon sign, > > > lagna, > > > > sometimes " what > > > > > your nakshatras foretell? " and the list goes > > > on and on... > > > > > > > > > > I have some simple questions. Please enlighten > > > me, particularly > > > > those > > > > > who write these columns and those who read and > > > use these for > > > > guidance: > > > > > > > > > > Assuming that you are serious and not the casual > > > 'dipper' into > > > > these > > > > > out of curiousity or boredom (waiting for your > > > turn at the > > > barber's > > > > > shop or at the dentist's office etc.), how > > > often have you found > > > > these > > > > > to come to pass and to what level of accuracy or > > > detail? > > > > > > > > > > Assuming that you are really really serious and > > > diligent, you may > > > > be > > > > > reading several of these columns and predictions > > > for a given > > > > period, > > > > > in different magazines or newspapers etc. How > > > often have you > > > found > > > > > Column 'A' to be saying the same or > > > similar as given in > > > column 'B'? > > > > > How consistent are these astrology columns, with > > > one another? > > > > > > > > > > Fair questions? I sure hope so! > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2009 Report Share Posted January 17, 2009 Dear RRji, I had attempted what u aid last in this mail, that is not only the gen factors but all Grahas in the Navagraha scheme for each sing as a trial for Vrishaba for a matrimonial site and the owner also runs a jyotish grp, but they wanted a min of 300 words per transit, if we cant find them we r supposed to invent them I took pains to apply info from as many works as possible and not all grahas transits can move in a month for convenience we take the Georgian calander we can expect Sun to be in 2 sings att lezst and give a variety i felt but still cokking 300 words per transit we can write fiction not astrological clues so it did not work this was given to me thru a comman person between me and the grp I can say this much, it did not matter to me to get it at any cost, but did demonstrate in a few sessions of exchanges there is a limit by the occassion, we can do a middle school kind of essay writing for 300 words per transit Prashant ________________________________ Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan Saturday, January 17, 2009 7:22:06 AM Re: Astrological Forecast Columns Krishnan dada (and other dadas here), It seems that there have been many ways to " skin the cat " <Ouch! I meant 'skin the mango or apple!'>! Some have done astro-tratak on the sunsign, others moon sign, lagna, nakshatras and many other 'points of departure' as the term is I suppose. Has anyone done a follow-up in terms of a natal-to-transit examination, at least for the three outer planets, for instance or perhaps only the saturn or jupiter? Nothing fancy, just the mutual sign disposition between the transiting planet vis-a-vis the natal placement of the transiting planet? Dear All, please share if you have and also please share your experiences if the answer to the above question is 'YES!' , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@. ..> wrote: > > Dear Friends, > For all forecasts in Astrology,it is the positon gochara/transit that matters than the natal position for any thing that has to happen through dasa/anatardasa. Even all Astrologers mostly go through prashna mode to find feasibilty or otherwise b4 attending to specific querry. > This has nothing however to do with Astrological forecasts given regularly in meida as these predictions do not consider gochara issues. > Infact in these forecasts most of the readers read their rasis based on heliocentric wise zodiac or nama rasi but never according to the lagna and even nakshtra at the time of birth.If something in really life took place and it was mentioned in the forecats it is just coincidence but not to add authenticity to the forecats. > vrkrishnan > > --- On Thu, 1/15/09, sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan@ ...> wrote: > > sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan@ ...> > Re: Astrological Forecast Columns > > Thursday, January 15, 2009, 10:18 AM sir, > > theer are many exclusive tamil books also and i will give the list after my pongal break. > > the saraswathi mahal library is now under central govt and will give the details also soon > > regards > > --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > wrote: > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > > Re: Astrological Forecast Columns > > Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 5:50 PM > > Sankar, > > well there is nothing unique or exclusive about Gochatra usage and TN alone. > > most classical works in Sanskrit have sevoted sections to it > > so have modern astrologers too > > the Navagraha templ practice is there in most of places south of Vindhyas that is Maharashtra, karnataka, andrapradesh, kerala > > I do conceded there is a temple belt for 9 Grahas in TN. > > the parihara or upayas are given by Parashara long ago for the weak or makefic periods, transits [gochara] and many books that have come after it are more of its branhces > > BPHS is a banyan tree and rest of works like Jataka Parijatha, Phaladeepika, Uttara kalmrutha, jataka tatwa, Jataka Alankara etc are ones that have added value to BPHS during the times of the composers without tinkering the original base of BPHS so that people can dapat from it for anytime. > > for a long time Jatakalankara and chandrika were used in TN recently only U S Pulipani has been doing more works from sankrit to tamil > > and after sanskrit Telugu, kannada , Malyalam have more works in most vedic heritage Jyotishya included > > to keep the so called dravidain superioirty p british legacy of divide an rule in tact] the TN paoliticians did not allow the collection of Saraswathi library to be shared by rest of Indian scholars nor did they do anything on it so we will never know the truth of any historical order, people with sanskrit knowledge will be dead soon and most works destroyed by worms, insects and politicanl bias. > > united we gain sadly no other state in India has even bothered about knowing its past so we can never know or real history and left parties who have doctered and taught us biased invader friendly history and this is more pro West asian born friendly than even if they claim aryans came from central asia they r not given so much protection in their writings. nothing is there to show Aryans had run over a superior local pouplation so we are just one race divided by British for their convenience north as Hindu -Muslim south as aryan and dravidian. > > Best wishes > > prashant > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan@ > > > > > Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:51:14 PM > > Re: Astrological Forecast Columns > > Respected Sir, > > In tamilnadu around 20 exclusive magazines are published on weekly forecast. > > As an average 3 rasis will be in sade sati any time, one each will have sani in ashtama and ardashtama. > > simillarly 1/12th will have guru in ashtama, dasama and janma. Average 60% of population will have any one of these. > > The tamil people and the astrologers here give more emphasis on gochara. Here all the temples both old and new have a navagraha shirine and people will be continuously doing poojas. > > The advise of eminent people like you on this has helped us to understand the gochara effects. > > regards > > Sankar > > --- On Mon, 1/12/09, vattem krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote: > > vattem krishnan <bursar_99 > > > Re: Astrological Forecast Columns > > > > Monday, January 12, 2009, 10:34 PM > > Dear Mr sankaranarayana and others, > > Once I was asked by " Dainik bhaskarin Delhi to write abou daily rasi predictions. some how at the same time SHRI KNRao was also there.we just concluded this is chep media and for time pass and fill space in media.Particularly, some desperate people look for these cols.sevarl known astrologers in Delhi like Prof Nagar and Pandey etc write in media.Nothing is relevant and of no use. > > I still remebr those days when Hindu used to have a weekly col about astrolo way back.Also India Express by pete vidal,somewhat of consisitency. other not to be depend and nothing can be made out > > vrkrishnan > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan@ > > > > > Monday, January 12, 2009 11:34:03 AM > > Re: Astrological Forecast Columns > > Dear Sirs, > > I am telling about the books of reputed people. > > In Tamilnadu lot of emphasis is laid on the Gochara, with respect to Moon sign. The 7 1/2 of sani sade sathi, sani's ashtamasthan from moon sign, Guru's transition ( the 10th from moon sign is dreaded and is supposed to affect career- The 9th position is supposed to be great) and Rahu's position on 10th place from moon sign etc. > > Surprisinly these things do happen and just the gochara combination of these 3 planets seems to give certain clarity. > > Also during the bad combination, they advise to check the current dasa bookthi of individual and tell the gochara is a tentative indication. The gochara from Chandra lagna seems to have a defenet effects and the predictions seem to be 80% accurate. > > Please guide us on this > > Sankar > > --- On Mon, 1/12/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> > > > Re: Astrological Forecast Columns > > > > > > Monday, January 12, 2009, 9:59 AM > > > On that inevitable and certain critical day when each of us > > > lay down > > > our bodies, hopefully not in pain but in peaceful > > > anticipation of > > > what wiser folks have assured us time and again is but > > > a 'homecoming' , a return to the 'roots', > > > each one of us will have to > > > recall, and judge for ourselves, our actions, our attitudes > > > and > > > figure out if we were true to our-selves, our life-plan and > > > general > > > plan of action! Not what the *group* did ... > > > > > > That is the plain, cold, naked reality! > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > > > > <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, > > > > > > > > caps not intended to shout my way thru happned so > > > added this line > > > later, > > > > > > > > > > > > THIS IS INEVITABLE change, JUST LIKE ASTROLOGERS > > > ADOPTEDFROM THE > > > MANUAL CASTING TO S/W DRIVEN TO ADAPT THEMSELVES TO THE > > > TIMES, TO > > > SAVE WORK AND DELIVER TO MORE PPL A NEVER ENDING STREAM OF > > > ISSUES > > > THAT CONFRONT THEM, NO OF CONSUMERS R RISING AS WELL. BUT > > > THE > > > ENTERTAINMENT SECTION MUST COME WITH A RIDER THAT THESE R > > > general and > > > for specific ones please see a local or family or a > > > professional > > > astrologer will be a better and desirable one than this > > > which is > > > BROAD BASED for the wider audiences. > > > > > > > > for their individual needs must seek a professional > > > and personal > > > help preferably face to face. > > > > > > > > TILL THEN WE LOOSE TO THE CRITICS AND AND CRITICS OF > > > aSROLOGY THE > > > left parties are also running this shows on their TV news > > > networks > > > like NDTV, IBNLIVE, TIMES NOW most of the heads r from NDTV > > > the hard > > > core left agenda one and has conduceted most shows in t > > > talk or > > > debate ones to bash, discredit all Hindu wasy as primitive, > > > > > > obscurunist or communal " saffron brigade " if u > > > have a view /concern > > > on Hindu issues but will champoion alll non Hindu issues to > > > the hilt > > > even if it s terror, crime by the, and they west can say > > > that not all > > > criminals, terrorists but the ones caught are max from them > > > but thse > > > left media ppl here wil automaticall brand u a saffron > > > brigade tirade > > > will go out o the way in highliting them poverty, lack of > > > education > > > jobs for them to be in such a situation when we see now > > > well to do, > > > professions and wrok good families in such areas more for > > > the > > > contempt fr what they feels in not of their view or agenda. > > > > > > > > so astrology is no exception and with so much risk > > > involved and > > > critics to discredit it we have to choose to be careful in > > > such works > > > and always hightliht the personal consultation aspects. > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > > > Monday, January 12, 2009 8:23:06 AM > > > > Re: Astrological Forecast Columns > > > > > > > > > > > > Kumar ji, > > > > > > > > Your thoughtful message and particularly the last para > > > that sums it > > > > all very succinctly was appreciated. > > > > > > > > But why blame the astrologers -- they are just > > > providing a service > > > > that the consumer demands and if there are TV shows on > > > this, then > > > > consumers are also willing to pay for such a > > > 'service', I suppose! > > > > > > > > I think in the end, astrologers have to collectively > > > figure out > > > what > > > > they want astrology to be seen as. But as we have > > > often seen in the > > > > astrological world, " collective " and > > > 'uniform/united' are not in > > > the > > > > vocabulary or standard practice! > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > , Prashant > > > Kumar G B > > > > <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u've missed the latest entrant, rather been > > > here for at least 11 > > > > yrs in various places the TV channels r queuing up for > > > the daily > > > > forecast in Breakfast news time...! > > > > > > > > > > well most of them have to pay a lot to show up on > > > TV so > > > astrologers > > > > who have a good capital base [need not be subject > > > wise] can afford > > > > to spend time on them and also get back some good > > > returns on it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > most of them r for entertainment whichever medium > > > they appear in. > > > > > > > > > > and HAVE NEVER READ THEM myself or hear them on > > > TV except at > > > > PANCHANGA SHRAVANA times every UGADI or New Year time, > > > which at > > > least > > > > has a strong foundation in tradition and some value > > > for a yrs > > > length. > > > > > > > > > > in fact the noise brigade of all groups chief > > > had spoken to > > > > someone to help me out when we had a short stint of > > > peace on a > > > forum > > > > I was asked to do this I tried my best to do it a felt > > > it is not > > > > possible to give one for every month and still be > > > different from > > > what > > > > is already there in various medias. > > > > > > > > > > did search various sources and did some work > > > which did not meet > > > > their expectations of 20-30 lines per transit IN A > > > MONTH FOR THE 12 > > > > RASI SIGN BORN ALL TRANSITS COVERED. QUITE ALABOROUS > > > EVEN TO FIND > > > > SOME USEFUL MATERIAL AS NOT ALL GRAHAS MOVE MUCH IN A > > > MONTH > > > > > > > > > > but THEIR EXPECTATIONS AND MY CONTRIBUTION DID > > > NOT MATCH AND IT > > > > ENDED THERE, no regrets on this as it is not a SUBJEC > > > T FOR > > > > ENTERTAINMENT but a source of a guide and we can't > > > do justice to it > > > > as it covers 12% of the pouplation just like that and > > > we know how > > > > diverse each one can be even if in same house i mean > > > same family > > > > members, same age or diff ages so to put all fruits in > > > one basket > > > is > > > > too much > > > > > > > > > > and most of them don't like any stressful or > > > serious words and so > > > > the scope gets even hard to word them and I know many > > > who do write > > > > them more like a piece of literature with a lot of > > > astro jargon > > > than > > > > fundamentals in it WHICH AS I RESTATE IS NOT POSSIBLE > > > FOE SUCH A > > > > WIDE CANVAS. in this world > > > > > > > > > > ASTROLOGERS MUST STICK TO NEED BASED GUIDELINES. > > > SPECIFIC > > > QUESTIONS > > > > AND ANSWERS ONLY AND RETAIN THE SUBJECTS UTILITY ANY > > > ATTEMPT TO > > > > DILUTE IT WILL HARM THEM IN LONG RUN AND GIVE THE > > > SKEPTICS A > > > PUNCHING > > > > BAG FOR FREE. ASTROLOGY HAS TO BE SEEN USEFUL NOT A > > > ENTERTAINMENT > > > > SOURCE. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > Monday, January 12, 2009 6:33:20 AM > > > > > Astrological Forecast Columns > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If there is one 'tradition' that has > > > survived in astrology over > > > > > decades and perhaps centuries (?) is the > > > 'Astrology Forecast > > > > Column'. > > > > > The ready reckoner, the Karma Almanac for all and > > > sundry that we > > > > keep > > > > > seeing in newspapers, magazines, even serious > > > journals, and books > > > > and > > > > > booklets come out when the year changes, often > > > one for each sign. > > > > All > > > > > candidates are fair game: Sunsign, moon sign, > > > lagna, > > > > sometimes " what > > > > > your nakshatras foretell? " and the list goes > > > on and on... > > > > > > > > > > I have some simple questions. Please enlighten > > > me, particularly > > > > those > > > > > who write these columns and those who read and > > > use these for > > > > guidance: > > > > > > > > > > Assuming that you are serious and not the casual > > > 'dipper' into > > > > these > > > > > out of curiousity or boredom (waiting for your > > > turn at the > > > barber's > > > > > shop or at the dentist's office etc.), how > > > often have you found > > > > these > > > > > to come to pass and to what level of accuracy or > > > detail? > > > > > > > > > > Assuming that you are really really serious and > > > diligent, you may > > > > be > > > > > reading several of these columns and predictions > > > for a given > > > > period, > > > > > in different magazines or newspapers etc. How > > > often have you > > > found > > > > > Column 'A' to be saying the same or > > > similar as given in > > > column 'B'? > > > > > How consistent are these astrology columns, with > > > one another? > > > > > > > > > > Fair questions? I sure hope so! > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2009 Report Share Posted January 17, 2009 Dear Kumar ji... Yes those who put you in a difficult position with their restrictive demands and so on were cruel or self-serving and did not allow you the opportunity to express as you would have chosen to, given the opportunity! BUT NOW you have that very opportunity provided to you by Tanvir ji right now in this forum and with a much larger readership than most of those readers of astro-columns enjoyed! :-) And you have the power of the editor too in this wonderful creation of Tanvir which has helped and embraced and sheltered many! Having published a variety of writings since late 70's (I am not saying that in the sense of bragging or being egoistical as have been blamed at times...) in hard-copy media (astrology, computers and a few other fields of writing and research) I can tell you that in terms of peer-review, nothing still beats printed medium, hard copy medium/publications! So, if there is any writing or message that remained unheard or unheeded that you wrote earlier, this is your best opportunity to share and let the forum wisdom guide you... I speak from experience, not necessarily or exclusively as offered by this forum or medium! Rohiniranjan , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: > > Dear RRji, > > I had attempted what u aid last in this mail, > > that is not only the gen factors but all Grahas in the Navagraha scheme for each sing as a trial for Vrishaba for a matrimonial site and the owner also runs a jyotish grp, but they wanted a min of 300 words per transit, if we cant find them we r supposed to invent them > > I took pains to apply info from as many works as possible and not all grahas transits can move in a month for convenience we take the Georgian calander we can expect Sun to be in 2 sings att lezst and give a variety i felt but still cokking 300 words per transit we can write fiction not astrological clues so it did not work > > this was given to me thru a comman person between me and the grp I can say this much, it did not matter to me to get it at any cost, but did demonstrate in a few sessions of exchanges there is a limit by the occassion, we can do a middle school kind of essay writing for 300 words per transit > > Prashant > > > > > > ________________________________ > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan > > Saturday, January 17, 2009 7:22:06 AM > Re: Astrological Forecast Columns > > > Krishnan dada (and other dadas here), > > It seems that there have been many ways to " skin the cat " <Ouch! I > meant 'skin the mango or apple!'>! > > Some have done astro-tratak on the sunsign, others moon sign, lagna, > nakshatras and many other 'points of departure' as the term is I > suppose. > > Has anyone done a follow-up in terms of a natal-to-transit > examination, at least for the three outer planets, for instance or > perhaps only the saturn or jupiter? Nothing fancy, just the mutual > sign disposition between the transiting planet vis-a-vis the natal > placement of the transiting planet? > > Dear All, please share if you have and also please share your > experiences if the answer to the above question is 'YES!' > > , vattem krishnan > <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > Dear Friends, > > For all forecasts in Astrology,it is the positon gochara/transit > that matters than the natal position for any thing that has to happen > through dasa/anatardasa. Even all Astrologers mostly go through > prashna mode to find feasibilty or otherwise b4 attending to specific > querry. > > This has nothing however to do with Astrological forecasts given > regularly in meida as these predictions do not consider gochara > issues. > > Infact in these forecasts most of the readers read their rasis > based on heliocentric wise zodiac or nama rasi but never according to > the lagna and even nakshtra at the time of birth.If something in > really life took place and it was mentioned in the forecats it is > just coincidence but not to add authenticity to the forecats. > > vrkrishnan > > > > --- On Thu, 1/15/09, sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan@ ...> wrote: > > > > sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan@ ...> > > Re: Astrological Forecast Columns > > > > Thursday, January 15, 2009, 10:18 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sir, > > > > theer are many exclusive tamil books also and i will give the list > after my pongal break. > > > > the saraswathi mahal library is now under central govt and will > give the details also soon > > > > regards > > > > --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > > wrote: > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > > > Re: Astrological Forecast Columns > > > > Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 5:50 PM > > > > Sankar, > > > > well there is nothing unique or exclusive about Gochatra usage and > TN alone. > > > > most classical works in Sanskrit have sevoted sections to it > > > > so have modern astrologers too > > > > the Navagraha templ practice is there in most of places south of > Vindhyas that is Maharashtra, karnataka, andrapradesh, kerala > > > > I do conceded there is a temple belt for 9 Grahas in TN. > > > > the parihara or upayas are given by Parashara long ago for the weak > or makefic periods, transits [gochara] and many books that have come > after it are more of its branhces > > > > BPHS is a banyan tree and rest of works like Jataka Parijatha, > Phaladeepika, Uttara kalmrutha, jataka tatwa, Jataka Alankara etc are > ones that have added value to BPHS during the times of the composers > without tinkering the original base of BPHS so that people can dapat > from it for anytime. > > > > for a long time Jatakalankara and chandrika were used in TN > recently only U S Pulipani has been doing more works from sankrit to > tamil > > > > and after sanskrit Telugu, kannada , Malyalam have more works in > most vedic heritage Jyotishya included > > > > to keep the so called dravidain superioirty p british legacy of > divide an rule in tact] the TN paoliticians did not allow the > collection of Saraswathi library to be shared by rest of Indian > scholars nor did they do anything on it so we will never know the > truth of any historical order, people with sanskrit knowledge will be > dead soon and most works destroyed by worms, insects and politicanl > bias. > > > > united we gain sadly no other state in India has even bothered > about knowing its past so we can never know or real history and left > parties who have doctered and taught us biased invader friendly > history and this is more pro West asian born friendly than even if > they claim aryans came from central asia they r not given so much > protection in their writings. nothing is there to show Aryans had run > over a superior local pouplation so we are just one race divided by > British for their convenience north as Hindu -Muslim south as aryan > and dravidian. > > > > Best wishes > > > > prashant > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan@ > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:51:14 PM > > > > Re: Astrological Forecast Columns > > > > Respected Sir, > > > > In tamilnadu around 20 exclusive magazines are published on weekly > forecast. > > > > As an average 3 rasis will be in sade sati any time, one each will > have sani in ashtama and ardashtama. > > > > simillarly 1/12th will have guru in ashtama, dasama and janma. > Average 60% of population will have any one of these. > > > > The tamil people and the astrologers here give more emphasis on > gochara. Here all the temples both old and new have a navagraha > shirine and people will be continuously doing poojas. > > > > The advise of eminent people like you on this has helped us to > understand the gochara effects. > > > > regards > > > > Sankar > > > > --- On Mon, 1/12/09, vattem krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote: > > > > vattem krishnan <bursar_99 > > > > > Re: Astrological Forecast Columns > > > > > > > > Monday, January 12, 2009, 10:34 PM > > > > Dear Mr sankaranarayana and others, > > > > Once I was asked by " Dainik bhaskarin Delhi to write abou daily rasi > predictions. some how at the same time SHRI KNRao was also there.we > just concluded this is chep media and for time pass and fill space in > media.Particularly, some desperate people look for these cols.sevarl > known astrologers in Delhi like Prof Nagar and Pandey etc write in > media.Nothing is relevant and of no use. > > > > I still remebr those days when Hindu used to have a weekly col > about astrolo way back.Also India Express by pete vidal,somewhat of > consisitency. other not to be depend and nothing can be made out > > > > vrkrishnan > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan@ > > > > > > > > > Monday, January 12, 2009 11:34:03 AM > > > > Re: Astrological Forecast Columns > > > > Dear Sirs, > > > > I am telling about the books of reputed people. > > > > In Tamilnadu lot of emphasis is laid on the Gochara, with respect > to Moon sign. The 7 1/2 of sani sade sathi, sani's ashtamasthan from > moon sign, Guru's transition ( the 10th from moon sign is dreaded and > is supposed to affect career- The 9th position is supposed to be > great) and Rahu's position on 10th place from moon sign etc. > > > > Surprisinly these things do happen and just the gochara combination > of these 3 planets seems to give certain clarity. > > > > Also during the bad combination, they advise to check the current > dasa bookthi of individual and tell the gochara is a tentative > indication. The gochara from Chandra lagna seems to have a defenet > effects and the predictions seem to be 80% accurate. > > > > Please guide us on this > > > > Sankar > > > > --- On Mon, 1/12/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> > > > > > Re: Astrological Forecast Columns > > > > > > > > > > Monday, January 12, 2009, 9:59 AM > > > > > On that inevitable and certain critical day when each of us > > > > > lay down > > > > > our bodies, hopefully not in pain but in peaceful > > > > > anticipation of > > > > > what wiser folks have assured us time and again is but > > > > > a 'homecoming' , a return to the 'roots', > > > > > each one of us will have to > > > > > recall, and judge for ourselves, our actions, our attitudes > > > > > and > > > > > figure out if we were true to our-selves, our life-plan and > > > > > general > > > > > plan of action! Not what the *group* did ... > > > > > > > > > > That is the plain, cold, naked reality! > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > > > > > > > > <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, > > > > > > > > > > > > caps not intended to shout my way thru happned so > > > > > added this line > > > > > later, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THIS IS INEVITABLE change, JUST LIKE ASTROLOGERS > > > > > ADOPTEDFROM THE > > > > > MANUAL CASTING TO S/W DRIVEN TO ADAPT THEMSELVES TO THE > > > > > TIMES, TO > > > > > SAVE WORK AND DELIVER TO MORE PPL A NEVER ENDING STREAM OF > > > > > ISSUES > > > > > THAT CONFRONT THEM, NO OF CONSUMERS R RISING AS WELL. BUT > > > > > THE > > > > > ENTERTAINMENT SECTION MUST COME WITH A RIDER THAT THESE R > > > > > general and > > > > > for specific ones please see a local or family or a > > > > > professional > > > > > astrologer will be a better and desirable one than this > > > > > which is > > > > > BROAD BASED for the wider audiences. > > > > > > > > > > > > for their individual needs must seek a professional > > > > > and personal > > > > > help preferably face to face. > > > > > > > > > > > > TILL THEN WE LOOSE TO THE CRITICS AND AND CRITICS OF > > > > > aSROLOGY THE > > > > > left parties are also running this shows on their TV news > > > > > networks > > > > > like NDTV, IBNLIVE, TIMES NOW most of the heads r from NDTV > > > > > the hard > > > > > core left agenda one and has conduceted most shows in t > > > > > talk or > > > > > debate ones to bash, discredit all Hindu wasy as primitive, > > > > > > > > > > obscurunist or communal " saffron brigade " if u > > > > > have a view /concern > > > > > on Hindu issues but will champoion alll non Hindu issues to > > > > > the hilt > > > > > even if it s terror, crime by the, and they west can say > > > > > that not all > > > > > criminals, terrorists but the ones caught are max from them > > > > > but thse > > > > > left media ppl here wil automaticall brand u a saffron > > > > > brigade tirade > > > > > will go out o the way in highliting them poverty, lack of > > > > > education > > > > > jobs for them to be in such a situation when we see now > > > > > well to do, > > > > > professions and wrok good families in such areas more for > > > > > the > > > > > contempt fr what they feels in not of their view or agenda. > > > > > > > > > > > > so astrology is no exception and with so much risk > > > > > involved and > > > > > critics to discredit it we have to choose to be careful in > > > > > such works > > > > > and always hightliht the personal consultation aspects. > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, January 12, 2009 8:23:06 AM > > > > > > Re: Astrological Forecast Columns > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kumar ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Your thoughtful message and particularly the last para > > > > > that sums it > > > > > > all very succinctly was appreciated. > > > > > > > > > > > > But why blame the astrologers -- they are just > > > > > providing a service > > > > > > that the consumer demands and if there are TV shows on > > > > > this, then > > > > > > consumers are also willing to pay for such a > > > > > 'service', I suppose! > > > > > > > > > > > > I think in the end, astrologers have to collectively > > > > > figure out > > > > > what > > > > > > they want astrology to be seen as. But as we have > > > > > often seen in the > > > > > > astrological world, " collective " and > > > > > 'uniform/united' are not in > > > > > the > > > > > > vocabulary or standard practice! > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant > > > > > Kumar G B > > > > > > <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u've missed the latest entrant, rather been > > > > > here for at least 11 > > > > > > yrs in various places the TV channels r queuing up for > > > > > the daily > > > > > > forecast in Breakfast news time...! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well most of them have to pay a lot to show up on > > > > > TV so > > > > > astrologers > > > > > > who have a good capital base [need not be subject > > > > > wise] can afford > > > > > > to spend time on them and also get back some good > > > > > returns on it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > most of them r for entertainment whichever medium > > > > > they appear in. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and HAVE NEVER READ THEM myself or hear them on > > > > > TV except at > > > > > > PANCHANGA SHRAVANA times every UGADI or New Year time, > > > > > which at > > > > > least > > > > > > has a strong foundation in tradition and some value > > > > > for a yrs > > > > > length. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in fact the noise brigade of all groups chief > > > > > had spoken to > > > > > > someone to help me out when we had a short stint of > > > > > peace on a > > > > > forum > > > > > > I was asked to do this I tried my best to do it a felt > > > > > it is not > > > > > > possible to give one for every month and still be > > > > > different from > > > > > what > > > > > > is already there in various medias. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > did search various sources and did some work > > > > > which did not meet > > > > > > their expectations of 20-30 lines per transit IN A > > > > > MONTH FOR THE 12 > > > > > > RASI SIGN BORN ALL TRANSITS COVERED. QUITE ALABOROUS > > > > > EVEN TO FIND > > > > > > SOME USEFUL MATERIAL AS NOT ALL GRAHAS MOVE MUCH IN A > > > > > MONTH > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but THEIR EXPECTATIONS AND MY CONTRIBUTION DID > > > > > NOT MATCH AND IT > > > > > > ENDED THERE, no regrets on this as it is not a SUBJEC > > > > > T FOR > > > > > > ENTERTAINMENT but a source of a guide and we can't > > > > > do justice to it > > > > > > as it covers 12% of the pouplation just like that and > > > > > we know how > > > > > > diverse each one can be even if in same house i mean > > > > > same family > > > > > > members, same age or diff ages so to put all fruits in > > > > > one basket > > > > > is > > > > > > too much > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and most of them don't like any stressful or > > > > > serious words and so > > > > > > the scope gets even hard to word them and I know many > > > > > who do write > > > > > > them more like a piece of literature with a lot of > > > > > astro jargon > > > > > than > > > > > > fundamentals in it WHICH AS I RESTATE IS NOT POSSIBLE > > > > > FOE SUCH A > > > > > > WIDE CANVAS. in this world > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ASTROLOGERS MUST STICK TO NEED BASED GUIDELINES. > > > > > SPECIFIC > > > > > QUESTIONS > > > > > > AND ANSWERS ONLY AND RETAIN THE SUBJECTS UTILITY ANY > > > > > ATTEMPT TO > > > > > > DILUTE IT WILL HARM THEM IN LONG RUN AND GIVE THE > > > > > SKEPTICS A > > > > > PUNCHING > > > > > > BAG FOR FREE. ASTROLOGY HAS TO BE SEEN USEFUL NOT A > > > > > ENTERTAINMENT > > > > > > SOURCE. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, January 12, 2009 6:33:20 AM > > > > > > > Astrological Forecast Columns > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If there is one 'tradition' that has > > > > > survived in astrology over > > > > > > > decades and perhaps centuries (?) is the > > > > > 'Astrology Forecast > > > > > > Column'. > > > > > > > The ready reckoner, the Karma Almanac for all and > > > > > sundry that we > > > > > > keep > > > > > > > seeing in newspapers, magazines, even serious > > > > > journals, and books > > > > > > and > > > > > > > booklets come out when the year changes, often > > > > > one for each sign. > > > > > > All > > > > > > > candidates are fair game: Sunsign, moon sign, > > > > > lagna, > > > > > > sometimes " what > > > > > > > your nakshatras foretell? " and the list goes > > > > > on and on... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have some simple questions. Please enlighten > > > > > me, particularly > > > > > > those > > > > > > > who write these columns and those who read and > > > > > use these for > > > > > > guidance: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Assuming that you are serious and not the casual > > > > > 'dipper' into > > > > > > these > > > > > > > out of curiousity or boredom (waiting for your > > > > > turn at the > > > > > barber's > > > > > > > shop or at the dentist's office etc.), how > > > > > often have you found > > > > > > these > > > > > > > to come to pass and to what level of accuracy or > > > > > detail? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Assuming that you are really really serious and > > > > > diligent, you may > > > > > > be > > > > > > > reading several of these columns and predictions > > > > > for a given > > > > > > period, > > > > > > > in different magazines or newspapers etc. How > > > > > often have you > > > > > found > > > > > > > Column 'A' to be saying the same or > > > > > similar as given in > > > > > column 'B'? > > > > > > > How consistent are these astrology columns, with > > > > > one another? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fair questions? I sure hope so! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2009 Report Share Posted January 17, 2009 Dear Friends, Almost all forecast columns are " salad " like made out.May be taken as starters before something of sumptuous nature could be anticipated. In discussions with group members, mostly we mostly attach importance to transit / Gochara for all kind of one or two line queries. Incase of critical issues.we however link with natal position of outer planets with gochara positions and convey our views. I think in the discussions still going on in the group is the case relating to " whether I can get promotion " or try for going abroad. If we see gochara there are favourable indications and find with dasa of natal chart to intimate in which antar/pratyantar chance for promotion arises is prominent.We need however to go by natal to gochara to find possibility or otherwise. Best could be that such serious issues need a close attention and require study b4 we hop for any inference to suggest to the native suffering from problems. vrkrishnan --- On Fri, 1/16/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote: Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan Re: Astrological Forecast Columns Friday, January 16, 2009, 8:52 PM Krishnan dada (and other dadas here), It seems that there have been many ways to " skin the cat " <Ouch! I meant 'skin the mango or apple!'>! Some have done astro-tratak on the sunsign, others moon sign, lagna, nakshatras and many other 'points of departure' as the term is I suppose. Has anyone done a follow-up in terms of a natal-to-transit examination, at least for the three outer planets, for instance or perhaps only the saturn or jupiter? Nothing fancy, just the mutual sign disposition between the transiting planet vis-a-vis the natal placement of the transiting planet? Dear All, please share if you have and also please share your experiences if the answer to the above question is 'YES!' , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@. ..> wrote: > > Dear Friends, > For all forecasts in Astrology,it is the positon gochara/transit that matters than the natal position for any thing that has to happen through dasa/anatardasa. Even all Astrologers mostly go through prashna mode to find feasibilty or otherwise b4 attending to specific querry. > This has nothing however to do with Astrological forecasts given regularly in meida as these predictions do not consider gochara issues. > Infact in these forecasts most of the readers read their rasis based on heliocentric wise zodiac or nama rasi but never according to the lagna and even nakshtra at the time of birth.If something in really life took place and it was mentioned in the forecats it is just coincidence but not to add authenticity to the forecats. > vrkrishnan > > --- On Thu, 1/15/09, sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan@ ...> wrote: > > sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan@ ...> > Re: Astrological Forecast Columns > > Thursday, January 15, 2009, 10:18 AM sir, > > theer are many exclusive tamil books also and i will give the list after my pongal break. > > the saraswathi mahal library is now under central govt and will give the details also soon > > regards > > --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > wrote: > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > > Re: Astrological Forecast Columns > > Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 5:50 PM > > Sankar, > > well there is nothing unique or exclusive about Gochatra usage and TN alone. > > most classical works in Sanskrit have sevoted sections to it > > so have modern astrologers too > > the Navagraha templ practice is there in most of places south of Vindhyas that is Maharashtra, karnataka, andrapradesh, kerala > > I do conceded there is a temple belt for 9 Grahas in TN. > > the parihara or upayas are given by Parashara long ago for the weak or makefic periods, transits [gochara] and many books that have come after it are more of its branhces > > BPHS is a banyan tree and rest of works like Jataka Parijatha, Phaladeepika, Uttara kalmrutha, jataka tatwa, Jataka Alankara etc are ones that have added value to BPHS during the times of the composers without tinkering the original base of BPHS so that people can dapat from it for anytime. > > for a long time Jatakalankara and chandrika were used in TN recently only U S Pulipani has been doing more works from sankrit to tamil > > and after sanskrit Telugu, kannada , Malyalam have more works in most vedic heritage Jyotishya included > > to keep the so called dravidain superioirty p british legacy of divide an rule in tact] the TN paoliticians did not allow the collection of Saraswathi library to be shared by rest of Indian scholars nor did they do anything on it so we will never know the truth of any historical order, people with sanskrit knowledge will be dead soon and most works destroyed by worms, insects and politicanl bias. > > united we gain sadly no other state in India has even bothered about knowing its past so we can never know or real history and left parties who have doctered and taught us biased invader friendly history and this is more pro West asian born friendly than even if they claim aryans came from central asia they r not given so much protection in their writings. nothing is there to show Aryans had run over a superior local pouplation so we are just one race divided by British for their convenience north as Hindu -Muslim south as aryan and dravidian. > > Best wishes > > prashant > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan@ > > > > > Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:51:14 PM > > Re: Astrological Forecast Columns > > Respected Sir, > > In tamilnadu around 20 exclusive magazines are published on weekly forecast. > > As an average 3 rasis will be in sade sati any time, one each will have sani in ashtama and ardashtama. > > simillarly 1/12th will have guru in ashtama, dasama and janma. Average 60% of population will have any one of these. > > The tamil people and the astrologers here give more emphasis on gochara. Here all the temples both old and new have a navagraha shirine and people will be continuously doing poojas. > > The advise of eminent people like you on this has helped us to understand the gochara effects. > > regards > > Sankar > > --- On Mon, 1/12/09, vattem krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote: > > vattem krishnan <bursar_99 > > > Re: Astrological Forecast Columns > > > > Monday, January 12, 2009, 10:34 PM > > Dear Mr sankaranarayana and others, > > Once I was asked by " Dainik bhaskarin Delhi to write abou daily rasi predictions. some how at the same time SHRI KNRao was also there.we just concluded this is chep media and for time pass and fill space in media.Particularly, some desperate people look for these cols.sevarl known astrologers in Delhi like Prof Nagar and Pandey etc write in media.Nothing is relevant and of no use. > > I still remebr those days when Hindu used to have a weekly col about astrolo way back.Also India Express by pete vidal,somewhat of consisitency. other not to be depend and nothing can be made out > > vrkrishnan > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan@ > > > > > Monday, January 12, 2009 11:34:03 AM > > Re: Astrological Forecast Columns > > Dear Sirs, > > I am telling about the books of reputed people. > > In Tamilnadu lot of emphasis is laid on the Gochara, with respect to Moon sign. The 7 1/2 of sani sade sathi, sani's ashtamasthan from moon sign, Guru's transition ( the 10th from moon sign is dreaded and is supposed to affect career- The 9th position is supposed to be great) and Rahu's position on 10th place from moon sign etc. > > Surprisinly these things do happen and just the gochara combination of these 3 planets seems to give certain clarity. > > Also during the bad combination, they advise to check the current dasa bookthi of individual and tell the gochara is a tentative indication. The gochara from Chandra lagna seems to have a defenet effects and the predictions seem to be 80% accurate. > > Please guide us on this > > Sankar > > --- On Mon, 1/12/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> > > > Re: Astrological Forecast Columns > > > > > > Monday, January 12, 2009, 9:59 AM > > > On that inevitable and certain critical day when each of us > > > lay down > > > our bodies, hopefully not in pain but in peaceful > > > anticipation of > > > what wiser folks have assured us time and again is but > > > a 'homecoming' , a return to the 'roots', > > > each one of us will have to > > > recall, and judge for ourselves, our actions, our attitudes > > > and > > > figure out if we were true to our-selves, our life-plan and > > > general > > > plan of action! Not what the *group* did ... > > > > > > That is the plain, cold, naked reality! > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > > > > <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, > > > > > > > > caps not intended to shout my way thru happned so > > > added this line > > > later, > > > > > > > > > > > > THIS IS INEVITABLE change, JUST LIKE ASTROLOGERS > > > ADOPTEDFROM THE > > > MANUAL CASTING TO S/W DRIVEN TO ADAPT THEMSELVES TO THE > > > TIMES, TO > > > SAVE WORK AND DELIVER TO MORE PPL A NEVER ENDING STREAM OF > > > ISSUES > > > THAT CONFRONT THEM, NO OF CONSUMERS R RISING AS WELL. BUT > > > THE > > > ENTERTAINMENT SECTION MUST COME WITH A RIDER THAT THESE R > > > general and > > > for specific ones please see a local or family or a > > > professional > > > astrologer will be a better and desirable one than this > > > which is > > > BROAD BASED for the wider audiences. > > > > > > > > for their individual needs must seek a professional > > > and personal > > > help preferably face to face. > > > > > > > > TILL THEN WE LOOSE TO THE CRITICS AND AND CRITICS OF > > > aSROLOGY THE > > > left parties are also running this shows on their TV news > > > networks > > > like NDTV, IBNLIVE, TIMES NOW most of the heads r from NDTV > > > the hard > > > core left agenda one and has conduceted most shows in t > > > talk or > > > debate ones to bash, discredit all Hindu wasy as primitive, > > > > > > obscurunist or communal " saffron brigade " if u > > > have a view /concern > > > on Hindu issues but will champoion alll non Hindu issues to > > > the hilt > > > even if it s terror, crime by the, and they west can say > > > that not all > > > criminals, terrorists but the ones caught are max from them > > > but thse > > > left media ppl here wil automaticall brand u a saffron > > > brigade tirade > > > will go out o the way in highliting them poverty, lack of > > > education > > > jobs for them to be in such a situation when we see now > > > well to do, > > > professions and wrok good families in such areas more for > > > the > > > contempt fr what they feels in not of their view or agenda. > > > > > > > > so astrology is no exception and with so much risk > > > involved and > > > critics to discredit it we have to choose to be careful in > > > such works > > > and always hightliht the personal consultation aspects. > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > > > Monday, January 12, 2009 8:23:06 AM > > > > Re: Astrological Forecast Columns > > > > > > > > > > > > Kumar ji, > > > > > > > > Your thoughtful message and particularly the last para > > > that sums it > > > > all very succinctly was appreciated. > > > > > > > > But why blame the astrologers -- they are just > > > providing a service > > > > that the consumer demands and if there are TV shows on > > > this, then > > > > consumers are also willing to pay for such a > > > 'service', I suppose! > > > > > > > > I think in the end, astrologers have to collectively > > > figure out > > > what > > > > they want astrology to be seen as. But as we have > > > often seen in the > > > > astrological world, " collective " and > > > 'uniform/united' are not in > > > the > > > > vocabulary or standard practice! > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > , Prashant > > > Kumar G B > > > > <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u've missed the latest entrant, rather been > > > here for at least 11 > > > > yrs in various places the TV channels r queuing up for > > > the daily > > > > forecast in Breakfast news time...! > > > > > > > > > > well most of them have to pay a lot to show up on > > > TV so > > > astrologers > > > > who have a good capital base [need not be subject > > > wise] can afford > > > > to spend time on them and also get back some good > > > returns on it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > most of them r for entertainment whichever medium > > > they appear in. > > > > > > > > > > and HAVE NEVER READ THEM myself or hear them on > > > TV except at > > > > PANCHANGA SHRAVANA times every UGADI or New Year time, > > > which at > > > least > > > > has a strong foundation in tradition and some value > > > for a yrs > > > length. > > > > > > > > > > in fact the noise brigade of all groups chief > > > had spoken to > > > > someone to help me out when we had a short stint of > > > peace on a > > > forum > > > > I was asked to do this I tried my best to do it a felt > > > it is not > > > > possible to give one for every month and still be > > > different from > > > what > > > > is already there in various medias. > > > > > > > > > > did search various sources and did some work > > > which did not meet > > > > their expectations of 20-30 lines per transit IN A > > > MONTH FOR THE 12 > > > > RASI SIGN BORN ALL TRANSITS COVERED. QUITE ALABOROUS > > > EVEN TO FIND > > > > SOME USEFUL MATERIAL AS NOT ALL GRAHAS MOVE MUCH IN A > > > MONTH > > > > > > > > > > but THEIR EXPECTATIONS AND MY CONTRIBUTION DID > > > NOT MATCH AND IT > > > > ENDED THERE, no regrets on this as it is not a SUBJEC > > > T FOR > > > > ENTERTAINMENT but a source of a guide and we can't > > > do justice to it > > > > as it covers 12% of the pouplation just like that and > > > we know how > > > > diverse each one can be even if in same house i mean > > > same family > > > > members, same age or diff ages so to put all fruits in > > > one basket > > > is > > > > too much > > > > > > > > > > and most of them don't like any stressful or > > > serious words and so > > > > the scope gets even hard to word them and I know many > > > who do write > > > > them more like a piece of literature with a lot of > > > astro jargon > > > than > > > > fundamentals in it WHICH AS I RESTATE IS NOT POSSIBLE > > > FOE SUCH A > > > > WIDE CANVAS. in this world > > > > > > > > > > ASTROLOGERS MUST STICK TO NEED BASED GUIDELINES. > > > SPECIFIC > > > QUESTIONS > > > > AND ANSWERS ONLY AND RETAIN THE SUBJECTS UTILITY ANY > > > ATTEMPT TO > > > > DILUTE IT WILL HARM THEM IN LONG RUN AND GIVE THE > > > SKEPTICS A > > > PUNCHING > > > > BAG FOR FREE. ASTROLOGY HAS TO BE SEEN USEFUL NOT A > > > ENTERTAINMENT > > > > SOURCE. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > Monday, January 12, 2009 6:33:20 AM > > > > > Astrological Forecast Columns > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If there is one 'tradition' that has > > > survived in astrology over > > > > > decades and perhaps centuries (?) is the > > > 'Astrology Forecast > > > > Column'. > > > > > The ready reckoner, the Karma Almanac for all and > > > sundry that we > > > > keep > > > > > seeing in newspapers, magazines, even serious > > > journals, and books > > > > and > > > > > booklets come out when the year changes, often > > > one for each sign. > > > > All > > > > > candidates are fair game: Sunsign, moon sign, > > > lagna, > > > > sometimes " what > > > > > your nakshatras foretell? " and the list goes > > > on and on... > > > > > > > > > > I have some simple questions. Please enlighten > > > me, particularly > > > > those > > > > > who write these columns and those who read and > > > use these for > > > > guidance: > > > > > > > > > > Assuming that you are serious and not the casual > > > 'dipper' into > > > > these > > > > > out of curiousity or boredom (waiting for your > > > turn at the > > > barber's > > > > > shop or at the dentist's office etc.), how > > > often have you found > > > > these > > > > > to come to pass and to what level of accuracy or > > > detail? > > > > > > > > > > Assuming that you are really really serious and > > > diligent, you may > > > > be > > > > > reading several of these columns and predictions > > > for a given > > > > period, > > > > > in different magazines or newspapers etc. How > > > often have you > > > found > > > > > Column 'A' to be saying the same or > > > similar as given in > > > column 'B'? > > > > > How consistent are these astrology columns, with > > > one another? > > > > > > > > > > Fair questions? I sure hope so! > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2009 Report Share Posted January 25, 2009 I have discussed this topic with several others who may or may not be members of this forum and I was struck with the similarity of the experiences that you or Kumar ji and others shared, regarding the control over the 'content' and 'format' that magazines impose and so on so forth and other restrictive and 'shaping' practices. I have yet to hear from someone who has contributed a column to a widely-read astrological magazine of unquestioned quality. Perhaps their experience has been different and more positive. Anyways, this topic (see message header) has intrigued and even mildly bothered me for a long long time. I was first introduced to jyotish magazines etc in very late sixties or very early seventies, so am not sure what happened before that, but these columns had always been there it seems in daily newspapers and other non- astrological magazines at least in India, perhaps also abroad. The following observations emerge: = " Daily horoscope " or 'Your Month; are a 'convenience' or entertainment feature and not to be taken seriously perhaps. = In the Western media there is no confusion because these invariably refer to the TROPICAL SUN SIGN! = In Indian media, while sometimes hinted, most (including Astrological Magazines) remain silent as to their readings are based on sun sign (tropical/sidereal), moon sign or lagna perhaps? = It is safe to assume that nearly no one has really followed-up on these and actually tried to figure out if these are worth the weight of the newsprint on which they appear. = The quality and astro-methodology behind these, almost never discussed or revealed by their authors, one wonders about the why and how...! = Before we dismiss these summarily and collectively as non-serious and sometimes meaningless stream of consciousness *fiction* partly of the making by the author and remainder imposed by an editor sweating under a deadline approaching menacingly at him or her like the Japanese bullet train, perhaps we should halt and reconsider (next point) = Presumably these snippets of readings that often are pretty cute and at times clever to read, they must be based on the staple technique of transits and gochara that standard and respectable astrology (including jyotish) utilizes. So perhaps there is some reasoning behind the madness of Astrological Forecast Columns and it is not all an attempt to pull the wool over the eyes of the reader/consumer. = I am still intrigued by the fact that inter-column consistency is pretty much non-existant. For the same month or week, the columns do not match one bit! Even when based on the SAME ZODIAC! Hmmm... Rohiniranjan , vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > Dear Friends, > Almost all forecast columns are " salad " like made out.May be taken as starters before something of sumptuous nature could be anticipated. > In discussions with group members, mostly we mostly attach importance to transit / Gochara for all kind of one or two line queries. > Incase of critical issues.we however link with natal position of outer planets with gochara positions and convey our views. > I think in the discussions still going on in the group is the case relating to " whether I can get promotion " or try for going abroad. > If we see gochara there are favourable indications and find with dasa of natal chart to intimate in which antar/pratyantar chance for promotion arises is prominent.We need however to go by natal to gochara to find possibility or otherwise. > Best could be that such serious issues need a close attention and require study b4 we hop for any inference to suggest to the native suffering from problems. > vrkrishnan > > --- On Fri, 1/16/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote: > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan > Re: Astrological Forecast Columns > > Friday, January 16, 2009, 8:52 PM Krishnan dada (and other dadas here), > > It seems that there have been many ways to " skin the cat " <Ouch! I > meant 'skin the mango or apple!'>! > > Some have done astro-tratak on the sunsign, others moon sign, lagna, > nakshatras and many other 'points of departure' as the term is I > suppose. > > Has anyone done a follow-up in terms of a natal-to-transit > examination, at least for the three outer planets, for instance or > perhaps only the saturn or jupiter? Nothing fancy, just the mutual > sign disposition between the transiting planet vis-a-vis the natal > placement of the transiting planet? > > Dear All, please share if you have and also please share your > experiences if the answer to the above question is 'YES!' > > , vattem krishnan > <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > Dear Friends, > > For all forecasts in Astrology,it is the positon gochara/transit > that matters than the natal position for any thing that has to happen > through dasa/anatardasa. Even all Astrologers mostly go through > prashna mode to find feasibilty or otherwise b4 attending to specific > querry. > > This has nothing however to do with Astrological forecasts given > regularly in meida as these predictions do not consider gochara > issues. > > Infact in these forecasts most of the readers read their rasis > based on heliocentric wise zodiac or nama rasi but never according to > the lagna and even nakshtra at the time of birth.If something in > really life took place and it was mentioned in the forecats it is > just coincidence but not to add authenticity to the forecats. > > vrkrishnan > > > > --- On Thu, 1/15/09, sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan@ ...> wrote: > > > > sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan@ ...> > > Re: Astrological Forecast Columns > > > > Thursday, January 15, 2009, 10:18 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sir, > > > > theer are many exclusive tamil books also and i will give the list > after my pongal break. > > > > the saraswathi mahal library is now under central govt and will > give the details also soon > > > > regards > > > > --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > > wrote: > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > > > Re: Astrological Forecast Columns > > > > Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 5:50 PM > > > > Sankar, > > > > well there is nothing unique or exclusive about Gochatra usage and > TN alone. > > > > most classical works in Sanskrit have sevoted sections to it > > > > so have modern astrologers too > > > > the Navagraha templ practice is there in most of places south of > Vindhyas that is Maharashtra, karnataka, andrapradesh, kerala > > > > I do conceded there is a temple belt for 9 Grahas in TN. > > > > the parihara or upayas are given by Parashara long ago for the weak > or makefic periods, transits [gochara] and many books that have come > after it are more of its branhces > > > > BPHS is a banyan tree and rest of works like Jataka Parijatha, > Phaladeepika, Uttara kalmrutha, jataka tatwa, Jataka Alankara etc are > ones that have added value to BPHS during the times of the composers > without tinkering the original base of BPHS so that people can dapat > from it for anytime. > > > > for a long time Jatakalankara and chandrika were used in TN > recently only U S Pulipani has been doing more works from sankrit to > tamil > > > > and after sanskrit Telugu, kannada , Malyalam have more works in > most vedic heritage Jyotishya included > > > > to keep the so called dravidain superioirty p british legacy of > divide an rule in tact] the TN paoliticians did not allow the > collection of Saraswathi library to be shared by rest of Indian > scholars nor did they do anything on it so we will never know the > truth of any historical order, people with sanskrit knowledge will be > dead soon and most works destroyed by worms, insects and politicanl > bias. > > > > united we gain sadly no other state in India has even bothered > about knowing its past so we can never know or real history and left > parties who have doctered and taught us biased invader friendly > history and this is more pro West asian born friendly than even if > they claim aryans came from central asia they r not given so much > protection in their writings. nothing is there to show Aryans had run > over a superior local pouplation so we are just one race divided by > British for their convenience north as Hindu -Muslim south as aryan > and dravidian. > > > > Best wishes > > > > prashant > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan@ > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:51:14 PM > > > > Re: Astrological Forecast Columns > > > > Respected Sir, > > > > In tamilnadu around 20 exclusive magazines are published on weekly > forecast. > > > > As an average 3 rasis will be in sade sati any time, one each will > have sani in ashtama and ardashtama. > > > > simillarly 1/12th will have guru in ashtama, dasama and janma. > Average 60% of population will have any one of these. > > > > The tamil people and the astrologers here give more emphasis on > gochara. Here all the temples both old and new have a navagraha > shirine and people will be continuously doing poojas. > > > > The advise of eminent people like you on this has helped us to > understand the gochara effects. > > > > regards > > > > Sankar > > > > --- On Mon, 1/12/09, vattem krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote: > > > > vattem krishnan <bursar_99 > > > > > Re: Astrological Forecast Columns > > > > > > > > Monday, January 12, 2009, 10:34 PM > > > > Dear Mr sankaranarayana and others, > > > > Once I was asked by " Dainik bhaskarin Delhi to write abou daily rasi > predictions. some how at the same time SHRI KNRao was also there.we > just concluded this is chep media and for time pass and fill space in > media.Particularly, some desperate people look for these cols.sevarl > known astrologers in Delhi like Prof Nagar and Pandey etc write in > media.Nothing is relevant and of no use. > > > > I still remebr those days when Hindu used to have a weekly col > about astrolo way back.Also India Express by pete vidal,somewhat of > consisitency. other not to be depend and nothing can be made out > > > > vrkrishnan > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan@ > > > > > > > > > Monday, January 12, 2009 11:34:03 AM > > > > Re: Astrological Forecast Columns > > > > Dear Sirs, > > > > I am telling about the books of reputed people. > > > > In Tamilnadu lot of emphasis is laid on the Gochara, with respect > to Moon sign. The 7 1/2 of sani sade sathi, sani's ashtamasthan from > moon sign, Guru's transition ( the 10th from moon sign is dreaded and > is supposed to affect career- The 9th position is supposed to be > great) and Rahu's position on 10th place from moon sign etc. > > > > Surprisinly these things do happen and just the gochara combination > of these 3 planets seems to give certain clarity. > > > > Also during the bad combination, they advise to check the current > dasa bookthi of individual and tell the gochara is a tentative > indication. The gochara from Chandra lagna seems to have a defenet > effects and the predictions seem to be 80% accurate. > > > > Please guide us on this > > > > Sankar > > > > --- On Mon, 1/12/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> > > > > > Re: Astrological Forecast Columns > > > > > > > > > > Monday, January 12, 2009, 9:59 AM > > > > > On that inevitable and certain critical day when each of us > > > > > lay down > > > > > our bodies, hopefully not in pain but in peaceful > > > > > anticipation of > > > > > what wiser folks have assured us time and again is but > > > > > a 'homecoming' , a return to the 'roots', > > > > > each one of us will have to > > > > > recall, and judge for ourselves, our actions, our attitudes > > > > > and > > > > > figure out if we were true to our-selves, our life-plan and > > > > > general > > > > > plan of action! Not what the *group* did ... > > > > > > > > > > That is the plain, cold, naked reality! > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > > > > > > > > <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, > > > > > > > > > > > > caps not intended to shout my way thru happned so > > > > > added this line > > > > > later, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THIS IS INEVITABLE change, JUST LIKE ASTROLOGERS > > > > > ADOPTEDFROM THE > > > > > MANUAL CASTING TO S/W DRIVEN TO ADAPT THEMSELVES TO THE > > > > > TIMES, TO > > > > > SAVE WORK AND DELIVER TO MORE PPL A NEVER ENDING STREAM OF > > > > > ISSUES > > > > > THAT CONFRONT THEM, NO OF CONSUMERS R RISING AS WELL. BUT > > > > > THE > > > > > ENTERTAINMENT SECTION MUST COME WITH A RIDER THAT THESE R > > > > > general and > > > > > for specific ones please see a local or family or a > > > > > professional > > > > > astrologer will be a better and desirable one than this > > > > > which is > > > > > BROAD BASED for the wider audiences. > > > > > > > > > > > > for their individual needs must seek a professional > > > > > and personal > > > > > help preferably face to face. > > > > > > > > > > > > TILL THEN WE LOOSE TO THE CRITICS AND AND CRITICS OF > > > > > aSROLOGY THE > > > > > left parties are also running this shows on their TV news > > > > > networks > > > > > like NDTV, IBNLIVE, TIMES NOW most of the heads r from NDTV > > > > > the hard > > > > > core left agenda one and has conduceted most shows in t > > > > > talk or > > > > > debate ones to bash, discredit all Hindu wasy as primitive, > > > > > > > > > > obscurunist or communal " saffron brigade " if u > > > > > have a view /concern > > > > > on Hindu issues but will champoion alll non Hindu issues to > > > > > the hilt > > > > > even if it s terror, crime by the, and they west can say > > > > > that not all > > > > > criminals, terrorists but the ones caught are max from them > > > > > but thse > > > > > left media ppl here wil automaticall brand u a saffron > > > > > brigade tirade > > > > > will go out o the way in highliting them poverty, lack of > > > > > education > > > > > jobs for them to be in such a situation when we see now > > > > > well to do, > > > > > professions and wrok good families in such areas more for > > > > > the > > > > > contempt fr what they feels in not of their view or agenda. > > > > > > > > > > > > so astrology is no exception and with so much risk > > > > > involved and > > > > > critics to discredit it we have to choose to be careful in > > > > > such works > > > > > and always hightliht the personal consultation aspects. > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, January 12, 2009 8:23:06 AM > > > > > > Re: Astrological Forecast Columns > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kumar ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Your thoughtful message and particularly the last para > > > > > that sums it > > > > > > all very succinctly was appreciated. > > > > > > > > > > > > But why blame the astrologers -- they are just > > > > > providing a service > > > > > > that the consumer demands and if there are TV shows on > > > > > this, then > > > > > > consumers are also willing to pay for such a > > > > > 'service', I suppose! > > > > > > > > > > > > I think in the end, astrologers have to collectively > > > > > figure out > > > > > what > > > > > > they want astrology to be seen as. But as we have > > > > > often seen in the > > > > > > astrological world, " collective " and > > > > > 'uniform/united' are not in > > > > > the > > > > > > vocabulary or standard practice! > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant > > > > > Kumar G B > > > > > > <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u've missed the latest entrant, rather been > > > > > here for at least 11 > > > > > > yrs in various places the TV channels r queuing up for > > > > > the daily > > > > > > forecast in Breakfast news time...! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well most of them have to pay a lot to show up on > > > > > TV so > > > > > astrologers > > > > > > who have a good capital base [need not be subject > > > > > wise] can afford > > > > > > to spend time on them and also get back some good > > > > > returns on it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > most of them r for entertainment whichever medium > > > > > they appear in. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and HAVE NEVER READ THEM myself or hear them on > > > > > TV except at > > > > > > PANCHANGA SHRAVANA times every UGADI or New Year time, > > > > > which at > > > > > least > > > > > > has a strong foundation in tradition and some value > > > > > for a yrs > > > > > length. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in fact the noise brigade of all groups chief > > > > > had spoken to > > > > > > someone to help me out when we had a short stint of > > > > > peace on a > > > > > forum > > > > > > I was asked to do this I tried my best to do it a felt > > > > > it is not > > > > > > possible to give one for every month and still be > > > > > different from > > > > > what > > > > > > is already there in various medias. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > did search various sources and did some work > > > > > which did not meet > > > > > > their expectations of 20-30 lines per transit IN A > > > > > MONTH FOR THE 12 > > > > > > RASI SIGN BORN ALL TRANSITS COVERED. QUITE ALABOROUS > > > > > EVEN TO FIND > > > > > > SOME USEFUL MATERIAL AS NOT ALL GRAHAS MOVE MUCH IN A > > > > > MONTH > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but THEIR EXPECTATIONS AND MY CONTRIBUTION DID > > > > > NOT MATCH AND IT > > > > > > ENDED THERE, no regrets on this as it is not a SUBJEC > > > > > T FOR > > > > > > ENTERTAINMENT but a source of a guide and we can't > > > > > do justice to it > > > > > > as it covers 12% of the pouplation just like that and > > > > > we know how > > > > > > diverse each one can be even if in same house i mean > > > > > same family > > > > > > members, same age or diff ages so to put all fruits in > > > > > one basket > > > > > is > > > > > > too much > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and most of them don't like any stressful or > > > > > serious words and so > > > > > > the scope gets even hard to word them and I know many > > > > > who do write > > > > > > them more like a piece of literature with a lot of > > > > > astro jargon > > > > > than > > > > > > fundamentals in it WHICH AS I RESTATE IS NOT POSSIBLE > > > > > FOE SUCH A > > > > > > WIDE CANVAS. in this world > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ASTROLOGERS MUST STICK TO NEED BASED GUIDELINES. > > > > > SPECIFIC > > > > > QUESTIONS > > > > > > AND ANSWERS ONLY AND RETAIN THE SUBJECTS UTILITY ANY > > > > > ATTEMPT TO > > > > > > DILUTE IT WILL HARM THEM IN LONG RUN AND GIVE THE > > > > > SKEPTICS A > > > > > PUNCHING > > > > > > BAG FOR FREE. ASTROLOGY HAS TO BE SEEN USEFUL NOT A > > > > > ENTERTAINMENT > > > > > > SOURCE. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, January 12, 2009 6:33:20 AM > > > > > > > Astrological Forecast Columns > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If there is one 'tradition' that has > > > > > survived in astrology over > > > > > > > decades and perhaps centuries (?) is the > > > > > 'Astrology Forecast > > > > > > Column'. > > > > > > > The ready reckoner, the Karma Almanac for all and > > > > > sundry that we > > > > > > keep > > > > > > > seeing in newspapers, magazines, even serious > > > > > journals, and books > > > > > > and > > > > > > > booklets come out when the year changes, often > > > > > one for each sign. > > > > > > All > > > > > > > candidates are fair game: Sunsign, moon sign, > > > > > lagna, > > > > > > sometimes " what > > > > > > > your nakshatras foretell? " and the list goes > > > > > on and on... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have some simple questions. Please enlighten > > > > > me, particularly > > > > > > those > > > > > > > who write these columns and those who read and > > > > > use these for > > > > > > guidance: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Assuming that you are serious and not the casual > > > > > 'dipper' into > > > > > > these > > > > > > > out of curiousity or boredom (waiting for your > > > > > turn at the > > > > > barber's > > > > > > > shop or at the dentist's office etc.), how > > > > > often have you found > > > > > > these > > > > > > > to come to pass and to what level of accuracy or > > > > > detail? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Assuming that you are really really serious and > > > > > diligent, you may > > > > > > be > > > > > > > reading several of these columns and predictions > > > > > for a given > > > > > > period, > > > > > > > in different magazines or newspapers etc. How > > > > > often have you > > > > > found > > > > > > > Column 'A' to be saying the same or > > > > > similar as given in > > > > > column 'B'? > > > > > > > How consistent are these astrology columns, with > > > > > one another? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fair questions? I sure hope so! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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