Guest guest Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 Suryasiddhanta and Narapatijayacharya explicitly mention that Mt Meru lies at the middle of the Earth in the land of Zamboonadi (Zambezi)(bhoo-madhya rekha in modern terms). Narapati mentions that ancients say so, but Meru is not seen in the middle of Earth (he searched in the middle of India). Those who forgot connections with Africa, where human family evolved 4 million years according to biologists and 3893109 years ago according to Suryasiddhant, added impossible mythological attributes to Mt Meru due to its importance. Bhagwat Purana says it is 80000 yojana high, although Earth's diameter was only 1600 yojanas according to Suryasiddhant. Thus, one yojana of Bhagwat Purana was exactly equal to one stadium of Romans. The importance of Mt Meru was reflected in place names of another Mt Meru in Tanzania, a Meru city around 3000 years ago (capital of Kush in Sudan which some linguists connect with eastern Kushanas), etc. -VJ xxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx , " panditarjun2004 " <panditarjun2004 wrote: > > dear vinayji > > can you please advise whther the mythical mount meru referred in all > ancient scriptures is different from the mount meru in africa you are > referring. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > , " vinayjhaa16 " > <vinayjhaa16@> wrote: > > > > Greenwich is not the center of even England, but it is being used as > > the reference point for not only terrestrial but also celestial > > events. This practice has no connection with geography, astronomy or > > astrology. > > Local time was used in India, as in the rest of the world, before a > > global GMT was invented to administer a global empire. London was > the > > capital of colonies in all continents, and records had to be > > maintained in a single time system. That is why GMT was imposed > > elsewhere, and later local time of other nations were referenced > wrt GMY. > > But India had time honoured practices in this regard, which are now > > being discarded in favour of Greenwich. For astrology, true solar > time > > is needed, which is sun dial's time. GMT or IST are mean times, > based > > on an imaginary mean Sun which exists nowhere, but is merely a > > hypothetical concept to facilitate the task of administrators by > > making all hours and all days equal. In true solar time, winter has > > shorter days, for instance. This mean time makes many tasks easy. > But > > when you have to encounter as a reality, as in casting a native's > > horoscope or viewing an eclipse, you need real time and not mean > time. > > Hence, it wrong to assume that the ancient Indians were wrong in > using > > true time. > > Ancient India had another set of time as well, measured from Ujjain. > > All panchangas were based upon tables referenced to Ujjain which was > > believed to be the starting point of planetary movements when > Creation > > began nearly two billion years ago. It was not an administrative > > concept, but an astrological-cum-astronomical one according to > > prevalent theories. > > World's horoscope was made from Mt Meru, which was believed to be > > centre of all universes. Britishers renamed it as Mt Kenya and > > preached us that Mt Meru was a mythical thing, although some > > Indians tried to search it near Mt Kailash or Pamirs. Britishers > > forgot to rename the town named Meru at the foot of Mt Kenya. This > > mountain is the highest mountain in Africa among all those which lie > > at the equator. World's horoscope was made from Mt Meru. > > > > If Indians, not brown sahebs, regain power, they will impose Meru > Time and not Delhi Time upon the world. Cf. > > http://www.mysticboard.com/viewtopic.php?t=58522 and > > http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/World+Economy+%3A+Apr+2009- > Mar+2010 > > > > -VJ > > ------- ----- > > > > > > , " panditarjun2004 " > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > dear RRji > > > > > > the old adage says history is written by the winners as they like. > > > similarly you are suggesting that geography and mathematics too > can > > > be written by the winners. are you saying that if india conquers > the > > > world it can make the global timing zero to new delhi and all the > > > world would be plus or minus delhi. similarly if usa conquers the > > > whole world it can force the entire world to have washington as > zero > > > and all countries follow plus or minus washington. > > > > > > kindly explain what was the timing followed by indians before > british > > > forced this gmt in europe in 1850s and the world few decades ago. > > > > > > also the shifting of clocks manually every year is not uniform but > > > the software follows the same prefixed calculation. to that > extent, > > > are all astro softwares accurate? > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > pandit arjun > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Geographical coordinates are not absolute but relative. If > Indians > > > > ruled over the world instead of British, the Shunya would have > been > > > > closer to New Delhi perhaps. Dates too are relative in a sense > > > > depending on the orientation one wishes to use: solar, lunar, > > > synodic > > > > etc etc. > > > > > > > > That said, I am not aware of Mr. Kaul ji's research to comment > on > > > the > > > > soundness of his findings or of the researcher. > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > , " panditarjun2004 " > > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > dear RRji > > > > > > > > > > when ak kaulji was screaming on faulty calandar dates > followed by > > > > all > > > > > of us, many called him mad man. i respected his research but > > > > > criticised him for harping on the same issue in astrology > groups. > > > > > > > > > > if we find similar faulty data on geographical coordiantes, > then > > > > too > > > > > it would be debated and if found true, will be accepted. > > > > > > > > > > in india we follow the vedic dating of festivals like rama > > > NAVAMI, > > > > > krishna ASHTAMI, vijaya DASAMI, ganesh CHATURTHI all on > panchanga > > > > > based masa, paksha, tithi etc. > > > > > > > > > > but we also follow english calandar based days like > indpendence > > > > day, > > > > > republic day, teachers day, good friday, christmas etc. > > > > > > > > > > it is irony that most hindus who celebrate ram birth day and > > > krisha > > > > > birth day as per panchanga, celebrate their own birthdays > only on > > > > > english calandar dates. yes, avtar krishan kaulji is right > to an > > > > > extent that most people celebrate their birth days on a wrong > day. > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > > > > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Arjunji, > > > > > > > > > > > > The latest sensational news I hear is that > > > some/many/most/nearly > > > > > all > > > > > > of us in jyotish had been using the wrong math and wrong > > > > longitudes > > > > > > etc for a long time! I am sure you may have heard the same > too. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hence no point in talking about rules at this time until the > > > > pieces > > > > > > get placed in their proper place on the chess board of > Jyotish. > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > , " panditarjun2004 " > > > > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear RRji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are many similarities in the jyotish text of ravan > > > > samhita > > > > > > and > > > > > > > bhrigua samhita and the original ancient jyotish texts > > > > supposedly > > > > > > > written by these sages are lost or only heard. however, > the > > > > > tantra > > > > > > > part and the ayurveda part of ravansamhita are unique. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > though no astro principles of any sage give uniform rules > on > > > > all > > > > > > > alike, one thing i observed while learning ravanamaya and > > > > > applying > > > > > > > the tantra principles through actual usage. for getting > > > > > knowledge > > > > > > > and capacity to do tantra etc., one must get help from > rahu. > > > > to > > > > > > put > > > > > > > otherway, if rahu is strong in a person or is made strong, > > > that > > > > > > > person will be able to learn tantra like casting spells > and > > > > > healing > > > > > > > and manevourability skills in modern parlance. one more > > > thing > > > > is > > > > > > > that a strong benefic rahu helps the native win in > gambling > > > and > > > > > > > speculation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so after studying ravanamaya and ravanatantra, i can > safely > > > > > > recommend > > > > > > > to strengthen and get benefits from rahu if they are > > > interested > > > > > in > > > > > > > such benefits. the negative definitions of rahu and ketu > as > > > > rank > > > > > > > malefics as observed in earlier yugas and endorsed by me > > > > earlier > > > > > > have > > > > > > > now found different meaning with natives wanting these. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for example, rahu helps the native to go abroad. this was > > > > > negative > > > > > > > earlier but is positive today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by the way, i have seen some ravana yantras used by > > > indonesian > > > > > > > muslims where urdu letters are inscribed in ravan's image. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studying ravana helps one how to extract the best out of > rahu > > > > to > > > > > > get > > > > > > > all mayas and monies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in view of the above, you may like to test the following > > > astro > > > > > > > principles in the horoscopes and am sure will find > positive > > > > > results: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. rahu helps a native go abroad. > > > > > > > 2. rahu helps a native learn tantra rituals. > > > > > > > 3. rahu helps a native learn healing to cure diseases. > > > > > > > 4. rahu helps a native learn casting spells or maya. > > > > > > > 5. rahu helps a native earn windfall gains in gambling. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > > > > > > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Arjunji, anything specific written by Ravan 'ji' that > can > > > be > > > > > > tested > > > > > > > > and confirmed in horoscopes before it can be added to > the > > > > > > > repertoire > > > > > > > > of jyotish wisdom, Arjun ji? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Like a combination that would never fail etc? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Isn't that the biggest problem so far in Jyotish? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Too many possibilities? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > , " panditarjun2004 " > > > > > > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear friend > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sages like bhrigu, garga and even ravan wrote older > > > ancient > > > > > > > > samhitas > > > > > > > > > where macro level astrology was discussed. medieval > > > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > sages compiled more comprehensive micro level > astrology > > > > > subject. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the bhgrigu nadi which supposedly contain leaves of > all > > > > > humans > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > read their past, present and future is different to > > > bhrigu > > > > > > > samhita. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Raja " > > > > <desi.raja@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One question bothers me... I see everyone talking > about > > > > > > > parashara > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > brihad Parashara, brihad jataka - varahmihir, kalyan > > > > varma, > > > > > > > > saravali > > > > > > > > > > etc etc all kind of names associated to Jyitisha > > > however > > > > i > > > > > do > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > > or hear Maharshi Bhrigu that much even though he was > > > the > > > > > > > > rachayeta of > > > > > > > > > > Jyotishshastra. Isn't bhrigu samhita the ultimate > > > source > > > > of > > > > > > > > jyotish? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please discuss in detail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 Arjunji, Neither am I a historian, nor was I saying or endorsing that history should be written by winners, even though that has been seen in recent past. For instance GMT or Universal Time zero was created with Greenwich as the zero longitude was not a Divine revelation but because Britain ruled much of the world! If Indians did, perhaps Delhi or as we know Ujjaini in the past could have been treated by the ruling monarchs as the center of the earth and the Tzero! Similar statements have been made about the so called Aryan invasion of Bharatvarsh! Some say that that the prevailing story suppresses or modifies a different version dealing with the civilization around Saraswati river, etc. But like I stated -- some Historian would have to clarify. And not the kind of *historians* who maintain that Indians stole astrology from some Babylonian system etc! RR , " panditarjun2004 " <panditarjun2004 wrote: > > dear RRji > > the old adage says history is written by the winners as they like. > similarly you are suggesting that geography and mathematics too can > be written by the winners. are you saying that if india conquers the > world it can make the global timing zero to new delhi and all the > world would be plus or minus delhi. similarly if usa conquers the > whole world it can force the entire world to have washington as zero > and all countries follow plus or minus washington. > > kindly explain what was the timing followed by indians before british > forced this gmt in europe in 1850s and the world few decades ago. > > also the shifting of clocks manually every year is not uniform but > the software follows the same prefixed calculation. to that extent, > are all astro softwares accurate? > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > , " Rohiniranjan " > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > Geographical coordinates are not absolute but relative. If Indians > > ruled over the world instead of British, the Shunya would have been > > closer to New Delhi perhaps. Dates too are relative in a sense > > depending on the orientation one wishes to use: solar, lunar, > synodic > > etc etc. > > > > That said, I am not aware of Mr. Kaul ji's research to comment on > the > > soundness of his findings or of the researcher. > > > > RR > > > > > > , " panditarjun2004 " > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > dear RRji > > > > > > when ak kaulji was screaming on faulty calandar dates followed by > > all > > > of us, many called him mad man. i respected his research but > > > criticised him for harping on the same issue in astrology groups. > > > > > > if we find similar faulty data on geographical coordiantes, then > > too > > > it would be debated and if found true, will be accepted. > > > > > > in india we follow the vedic dating of festivals like rama > NAVAMI, > > > krishna ASHTAMI, vijaya DASAMI, ganesh CHATURTHI all on panchanga > > > based masa, paksha, tithi etc. > > > > > > but we also follow english calandar based days like indpendence > > day, > > > republic day, teachers day, good friday, christmas etc. > > > > > > it is irony that most hindus who celebrate ram birth day and > krisha > > > birth day as per panchanga, celebrate their own birthdays only on > > > english calandar dates. yes, avtar krishan kaulji is right to an > > > extent that most people celebrate their birth days on a wrong day. > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > pandit arjun > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Arjunji, > > > > > > > > The latest sensational news I hear is that > some/many/most/nearly > > > all > > > > of us in jyotish had been using the wrong math and wrong > > longitudes > > > > etc for a long time! I am sure you may have heard the same too. > > > > > > > > Hence no point in talking about rules at this time until the > > pieces > > > > get placed in their proper place on the chess board of Jyotish. > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > , " panditarjun2004 " > > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > dear RRji > > > > > > > > > > there are many similarities in the jyotish text of ravan > > samhita > > > > and > > > > > bhrigua samhita and the original ancient jyotish texts > > supposedly > > > > > written by these sages are lost or only heard. however, the > > > tantra > > > > > part and the ayurveda part of ravansamhita are unique. > > > > > > > > > > though no astro principles of any sage give uniform rules on > > all > > > > > alike, one thing i observed while learning ravanamaya and > > > applying > > > > > the tantra principles through actual usage. for getting > > > knowledge > > > > > and capacity to do tantra etc., one must get help from rahu. > > to > > > > put > > > > > otherway, if rahu is strong in a person or is made strong, > that > > > > > person will be able to learn tantra like casting spells and > > > healing > > > > > and manevourability skills in modern parlance. one more > thing > > is > > > > > that a strong benefic rahu helps the native win in gambling > and > > > > > speculation. > > > > > > > > > > so after studying ravanamaya and ravanatantra, i can safely > > > > recommend > > > > > to strengthen and get benefits from rahu if they are > interested > > > in > > > > > such benefits. the negative definitions of rahu and ketu as > > rank > > > > > malefics as observed in earlier yugas and endorsed by me > > earlier > > > > have > > > > > now found different meaning with natives wanting these. > > > > > > > > > > for example, rahu helps the native to go abroad. this was > > > negative > > > > > earlier but is positive today. > > > > > > > > > > by the way, i have seen some ravana yantras used by > indonesian > > > > > muslims where urdu letters are inscribed in ravan's image. > > > > > > > > > > studying ravana helps one how to extract the best out of rahu > > to > > > > get > > > > > all mayas and monies. > > > > > > > > > > in view of the above, you may like to test the following > astro > > > > > principles in the horoscopes and am sure will find positive > > > results: > > > > > > > > > > 1. rahu helps a native go abroad. > > > > > 2. rahu helps a native learn tantra rituals. > > > > > 3. rahu helps a native learn healing to cure diseases. > > > > > 4. rahu helps a native learn casting spells or maya. > > > > > 5. rahu helps a native earn windfall gains in gambling. > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > > > > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Arjunji, anything specific written by Ravan 'ji' that can > be > > > > tested > > > > > > and confirmed in horoscopes before it can be added to the > > > > > repertoire > > > > > > of jyotish wisdom, Arjun ji? > > > > > > > > > > > > Like a combination that would never fail etc? > > > > > > > > > > > > Isn't that the biggest problem so far in Jyotish? > > > > > > > > > > > > Too many possibilities? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , " panditarjun2004 " > > > > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear friend > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sages like bhrigu, garga and even ravan wrote older > ancient > > > > > > samhitas > > > > > > > where macro level astrology was discussed. medieval > > > > astrologers > > > > > > and > > > > > > > sages compiled more comprehensive micro level astrology > > > subject. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the bhgrigu nadi which supposedly contain leaves of all > > > humans > > > > > > which > > > > > > > read their past, present and future is different to > bhrigu > > > > > samhita. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Raja " > > <desi.raja@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One question bothers me... I see everyone talking about > > > > > parashara > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > brihad Parashara, brihad jataka - varahmihir, kalyan > > varma, > > > > > > saravali > > > > > > > > etc etc all kind of names associated to Jyitisha > however > > i > > > do > > > > > not > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > or hear Maharshi Bhrigu that much even though he was > the > > > > > > rachayeta of > > > > > > > > Jyotishshastra. Isn't bhrigu samhita the ultimate > source > > of > > > > > > jyotish? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please discuss in detail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 Exactly! Greenwich was not the center of England but considered by the British (or imposed as you rightly say!) as the Center of the World, or perhaps even the Universe by some Brits. RR , " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > Greenwich is not the center of even England, but it is being used as > the reference point for not only terrestrial but also celestial > events. This practice has no connection with geography, astronomy or > astrology. > Local time was used in India, as in the rest of the world, before a > global GMT was invented to administer a global empire. London was the > capital of colonies in all continents, and records had to be > maintained in a single time system. That is why GMT was imposed > elsewhere, and later local time of other nations were referenced wrt GMY. > But India had time honoured practices in this regard, which are now > being discarded in favour of Greenwich. For astrology, true solar time > is needed, which is sun dial's time. GMT or IST are mean times, based > on an imaginary mean Sun which exists nowhere, but is merely a > hypothetical concept to facilitate the task of administrators by > making all hours and all days equal. In true solar time, winter has > shorter days, for instance. This mean time makes many tasks easy. But > when you have to encounter as a reality, as in casting a native's > horoscope or viewing an eclipse, you need real time and not mean time. > Hence, it wrong to assume that the ancient Indians were wrong in using > true time. > Ancient India had another set of time as well, measured from Ujjain. > All panchangas were based upon tables referenced to Ujjain which was > believed to be the starting point of planetary movements when Creation > began nearly two billion years ago. It was not an administrative > concept, but an astrological-cum-astronomical one according to > prevalent theories. > World's horoscope was made from Mt Meru, which was believed to be > centre of all universes. Britishers renamed it as Mt Kenya and > preached us that Mt Meru was a mythical thing, although some > Indians tried to search it near Mt Kailash or Pamirs. Britishers > forgot to rename the town named Meru at the foot of Mt Kenya. This > mountain is the highest mountain in Africa among all those which lie > at the equator. World's horoscope was made from Mt Meru. > > If Indians, not brown sahebs, regain power, they will impose Meru Time and not Delhi Time upon the world. Cf. > http://www.mysticboard.com/viewtopic.php?t=58522 and > http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/World+Economy+%3A+Apr+2009- Mar+2010 > > -VJ > ------- ----- > > > , " panditarjun2004 " > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > dear RRji > > > > the old adage says history is written by the winners as they like. > > similarly you are suggesting that geography and mathematics too can > > be written by the winners. are you saying that if india conquers the > > world it can make the global timing zero to new delhi and all the > > world would be plus or minus delhi. similarly if usa conquers the > > whole world it can force the entire world to have washington as zero > > and all countries follow plus or minus washington. > > > > kindly explain what was the timing followed by indians before british > > forced this gmt in europe in 1850s and the world few decades ago. > > > > also the shifting of clocks manually every year is not uniform but > > the software follows the same prefixed calculation. to that extent, > > are all astro softwares accurate? > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > > > Geographical coordinates are not absolute but relative. If Indians > > > ruled over the world instead of British, the Shunya would have been > > > closer to New Delhi perhaps. Dates too are relative in a sense > > > depending on the orientation one wishes to use: solar, lunar, > > synodic > > > etc etc. > > > > > > That said, I am not aware of Mr. Kaul ji's research to comment on > > the > > > soundness of his findings or of the researcher. > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > , " panditarjun2004 " > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > dear RRji > > > > > > > > when ak kaulji was screaming on faulty calandar dates followed by > > > all > > > > of us, many called him mad man. i respected his research but > > > > criticised him for harping on the same issue in astrology groups. > > > > > > > > if we find similar faulty data on geographical coordiantes, then > > > too > > > > it would be debated and if found true, will be accepted. > > > > > > > > in india we follow the vedic dating of festivals like rama > > NAVAMI, > > > > krishna ASHTAMI, vijaya DASAMI, ganesh CHATURTHI all on panchanga > > > > based masa, paksha, tithi etc. > > > > > > > > but we also follow english calandar based days like indpendence > > > day, > > > > republic day, teachers day, good friday, christmas etc. > > > > > > > > it is irony that most hindus who celebrate ram birth day and > > krisha > > > > birth day as per panchanga, celebrate their own birthdays only on > > > > english calandar dates. yes, avtar krishan kaulji is right to an > > > > extent that most people celebrate their birth days on a wrong day. > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > pandit arjun > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > > > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Arjunji, > > > > > > > > > > The latest sensational news I hear is that > > some/many/most/nearly > > > > all > > > > > of us in jyotish had been using the wrong math and wrong > > > longitudes > > > > > etc for a long time! I am sure you may have heard the same too. > > > > > > > > > > Hence no point in talking about rules at this time until the > > > pieces > > > > > get placed in their proper place on the chess board of Jyotish. > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > , " panditarjun2004 " > > > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > dear RRji > > > > > > > > > > > > there are many similarities in the jyotish text of ravan > > > samhita > > > > > and > > > > > > bhrigua samhita and the original ancient jyotish texts > > > supposedly > > > > > > written by these sages are lost or only heard. however, the > > > > tantra > > > > > > part and the ayurveda part of ravansamhita are unique. > > > > > > > > > > > > though no astro principles of any sage give uniform rules on > > > all > > > > > > alike, one thing i observed while learning ravanamaya and > > > > applying > > > > > > the tantra principles through actual usage. for getting > > > > knowledge > > > > > > and capacity to do tantra etc., one must get help from rahu. > > > to > > > > > put > > > > > > otherway, if rahu is strong in a person or is made strong, > > that > > > > > > person will be able to learn tantra like casting spells and > > > > healing > > > > > > and manevourability skills in modern parlance. one more > > thing > > > is > > > > > > that a strong benefic rahu helps the native win in gambling > > and > > > > > > speculation. > > > > > > > > > > > > so after studying ravanamaya and ravanatantra, i can safely > > > > > recommend > > > > > > to strengthen and get benefits from rahu if they are > > interested > > > > in > > > > > > such benefits. the negative definitions of rahu and ketu as > > > rank > > > > > > malefics as observed in earlier yugas and endorsed by me > > > earlier > > > > > have > > > > > > now found different meaning with natives wanting these. > > > > > > > > > > > > for example, rahu helps the native to go abroad. this was > > > > negative > > > > > > earlier but is positive today. > > > > > > > > > > > > by the way, i have seen some ravana yantras used by > > indonesian > > > > > > muslims where urdu letters are inscribed in ravan's image. > > > > > > > > > > > > studying ravana helps one how to extract the best out of rahu > > > to > > > > > get > > > > > > all mayas and monies. > > > > > > > > > > > > in view of the above, you may like to test the following > > astro > > > > > > principles in the horoscopes and am sure will find positive > > > > results: > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. rahu helps a native go abroad. > > > > > > 2. rahu helps a native learn tantra rituals. > > > > > > 3. rahu helps a native learn healing to cure diseases. > > > > > > 4. rahu helps a native learn casting spells or maya. > > > > > > 5. rahu helps a native earn windfall gains in gambling. > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > > > > > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Arjunji, anything specific written by Ravan 'ji' that can > > be > > > > > tested > > > > > > > and confirmed in horoscopes before it can be added to the > > > > > > repertoire > > > > > > > of jyotish wisdom, Arjun ji? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Like a combination that would never fail etc? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Isn't that the biggest problem so far in Jyotish? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Too many possibilities? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , " panditarjun2004 " > > > > > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear friend > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sages like bhrigu, garga and even ravan wrote older > > ancient > > > > > > > samhitas > > > > > > > > where macro level astrology was discussed. medieval > > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > sages compiled more comprehensive micro level astrology > > > > subject. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the bhgrigu nadi which supposedly contain leaves of all > > > > humans > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > read their past, present and future is different to > > bhrigu > > > > > > samhita. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Raja " > > > <desi.raja@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One question bothers me... I see everyone talking about > > > > > > parashara > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > brihad Parashara, brihad jataka - varahmihir, kalyan > > > varma, > > > > > > > saravali > > > > > > > > > etc etc all kind of names associated to Jyitisha > > however > > > i > > > > do > > > > > > not > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > or hear Maharshi Bhrigu that much even though he was > > the > > > > > > > rachayeta of > > > > > > > > > Jyotishshastra. Isn't bhrigu samhita the ultimate > > source > > > of > > > > > > > jyotish? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please discuss in detail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 dear RRji let us hope that true historians present unbiased papers on this. the last few years have seen some members suddenly downpouring lot of historic stuff and then ridicule astrology, hindu calendar system etc. it is like arya samaj stating no idol worship and no image or diety following, yet chant vedas and do havans daily and chant gayatri mantra loudly. lot of gaga is made these days about astrology alien to india which dropped from the pockets of some visitors from other countries on their sojourn to india. these researchers are attributing all medieval indians as foreigners. perhaps, according to them, these foreigners chose to leave their countries and come to india and teach indians about their civlisation and thus their knoweldge of astrology is made known to us. here, members like us follow astrology as written by the sages in our vedic texts like puranas, samhitas, horas and shastras. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy.com , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan wrote: > > Arjunji, > > Neither am I a historian, nor was I saying or endorsing that history > should be written by winners, even though that has been seen in > recent past. > > For instance GMT or Universal Time zero was created with Greenwich as > the zero longitude was not a Divine revelation but because Britain > ruled much of the world! If Indians did, perhaps Delhi or as we know > Ujjaini in the past could have been treated by the ruling monarchs as > the center of the earth and the Tzero! > > Similar statements have been made about the so called Aryan invasion > of Bharatvarsh! Some say that that the prevailing story suppresses or > modifies a different version dealing with the civilization around > Saraswati river, etc. > > But like I stated -- some Historian would have to clarify. And not > the kind of *historians* who maintain that Indians stole astrology > from some Babylonian system etc! > > RR > > , " panditarjun2004 " > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > dear RRji > > > > the old adage says history is written by the winners as they like. > > similarly you are suggesting that geography and mathematics too can > > be written by the winners. are you saying that if india conquers > the > > world it can make the global timing zero to new delhi and all the > > world would be plus or minus delhi. similarly if usa conquers the > > whole world it can force the entire world to have washington as > zero > > and all countries follow plus or minus washington. > > > > kindly explain what was the timing followed by indians before > british > > forced this gmt in europe in 1850s and the world few decades ago. > > > > also the shifting of clocks manually every year is not uniform but > > the software follows the same prefixed calculation. to that > extent, > > are all astro softwares accurate? > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > > > Geographical coordinates are not absolute but relative. If > Indians > > > ruled over the world instead of British, the Shunya would have > been > > > closer to New Delhi perhaps. Dates too are relative in a sense > > > depending on the orientation one wishes to use: solar, lunar, > > synodic > > > etc etc. > > > > > > That said, I am not aware of Mr. Kaul ji's research to comment on > > the > > > soundness of his findings or of the researcher. > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > , " panditarjun2004 " > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > dear RRji > > > > > > > > when ak kaulji was screaming on faulty calandar dates followed > by > > > all > > > > of us, many called him mad man. i respected his research but > > > > criticised him for harping on the same issue in astrology > groups. > > > > > > > > if we find similar faulty data on geographical coordiantes, > then > > > too > > > > it would be debated and if found true, will be accepted. > > > > > > > > in india we follow the vedic dating of festivals like rama > > NAVAMI, > > > > krishna ASHTAMI, vijaya DASAMI, ganesh CHATURTHI all on > panchanga > > > > based masa, paksha, tithi etc. > > > > > > > > but we also follow english calandar based days like indpendence > > > day, > > > > republic day, teachers day, good friday, christmas etc. > > > > > > > > it is irony that most hindus who celebrate ram birth day and > > krisha > > > > birth day as per panchanga, celebrate their own birthdays only > on > > > > english calandar dates. yes, avtar krishan kaulji is right to > an > > > > extent that most people celebrate their birth days on a wrong > day. > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > pandit arjun > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > > > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Arjunji, > > > > > > > > > > The latest sensational news I hear is that > > some/many/most/nearly > > > > all > > > > > of us in jyotish had been using the wrong math and wrong > > > longitudes > > > > > etc for a long time! I am sure you may have heard the same > too. > > > > > > > > > > Hence no point in talking about rules at this time until the > > > pieces > > > > > get placed in their proper place on the chess board of > Jyotish. > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > , " panditarjun2004 " > > > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > dear RRji > > > > > > > > > > > > there are many similarities in the jyotish text of ravan > > > samhita > > > > > and > > > > > > bhrigua samhita and the original ancient jyotish texts > > > supposedly > > > > > > written by these sages are lost or only heard. however, > the > > > > tantra > > > > > > part and the ayurveda part of ravansamhita are unique. > > > > > > > > > > > > though no astro principles of any sage give uniform rules > on > > > all > > > > > > alike, one thing i observed while learning ravanamaya and > > > > applying > > > > > > the tantra principles through actual usage. for getting > > > > knowledge > > > > > > and capacity to do tantra etc., one must get help from > rahu. > > > to > > > > > put > > > > > > otherway, if rahu is strong in a person or is made strong, > > that > > > > > > person will be able to learn tantra like casting spells and > > > > healing > > > > > > and manevourability skills in modern parlance. one more > > thing > > > is > > > > > > that a strong benefic rahu helps the native win in gambling > > and > > > > > > speculation. > > > > > > > > > > > > so after studying ravanamaya and ravanatantra, i can safely > > > > > recommend > > > > > > to strengthen and get benefits from rahu if they are > > interested > > > > in > > > > > > such benefits. the negative definitions of rahu and ketu > as > > > rank > > > > > > malefics as observed in earlier yugas and endorsed by me > > > earlier > > > > > have > > > > > > now found different meaning with natives wanting these. > > > > > > > > > > > > for example, rahu helps the native to go abroad. this was > > > > negative > > > > > > earlier but is positive today. > > > > > > > > > > > > by the way, i have seen some ravana yantras used by > > indonesian > > > > > > muslims where urdu letters are inscribed in ravan's image. > > > > > > > > > > > > studying ravana helps one how to extract the best out of > rahu > > > to > > > > > get > > > > > > all mayas and monies. > > > > > > > > > > > > in view of the above, you may like to test the following > > astro > > > > > > principles in the horoscopes and am sure will find positive > > > > results: > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. rahu helps a native go abroad. > > > > > > 2. rahu helps a native learn tantra rituals. > > > > > > 3. rahu helps a native learn healing to cure diseases. > > > > > > 4. rahu helps a native learn casting spells or maya. > > > > > > 5. rahu helps a native earn windfall gains in gambling. > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > > > > > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Arjunji, anything specific written by Ravan 'ji' that can > > be > > > > > tested > > > > > > > and confirmed in horoscopes before it can be added to the > > > > > > repertoire > > > > > > > of jyotish wisdom, Arjun ji? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Like a combination that would never fail etc? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Isn't that the biggest problem so far in Jyotish? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Too many possibilities? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > , " panditarjun2004 " > > > > > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear friend > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sages like bhrigu, garga and even ravan wrote older > > ancient > > > > > > > samhitas > > > > > > > > where macro level astrology was discussed. medieval > > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > sages compiled more comprehensive micro level astrology > > > > subject. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the bhgrigu nadi which supposedly contain leaves of all > > > > humans > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > read their past, present and future is different to > > bhrigu > > > > > > samhita. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Raja " > > > <desi.raja@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One question bothers me... I see everyone talking > about > > > > > > parashara > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > brihad Parashara, brihad jataka - varahmihir, kalyan > > > varma, > > > > > > > saravali > > > > > > > > > etc etc all kind of names associated to Jyitisha > > however > > > i > > > > do > > > > > > not > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > or hear Maharshi Bhrigu that much even though he was > > the > > > > > > > rachayeta of > > > > > > > > > Jyotishshastra. Isn't bhrigu samhita the ultimate > > source > > > of > > > > > > > jyotish? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please discuss in detail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 Call me cynical but ain't gonna happen on Kalki Awatar's chronicle: Internet ;-) RR , " panditarjun2004 " <panditarjun2004 wrote: > > dear RRji > > let us hope that true historians present unbiased papers on this. > the last few years have seen some members suddenly downpouring lot of > historic stuff and then ridicule astrology, hindu calendar system > etc. it is like arya samaj stating no idol worship and no image or > diety following, yet chant vedas and do havans daily and chant > gayatri mantra loudly. > > lot of gaga is made these days about astrology alien to india which > dropped from the pockets of some visitors from other countries on > their sojourn to india. these researchers are attributing all > medieval indians as foreigners. perhaps, according to them, these > foreigners chose to leave their countries and come to india and teach > indians about their civlisation and thus their knoweldge of astrology > is made known to us. > > here, members like us follow astrology as written by the sages in our > vedic texts like puranas, samhitas, horas and shastras. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > , " Rohiniranjan " > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > Arjunji, > > > > Neither am I a historian, nor was I saying or endorsing that > history > > should be written by winners, even though that has been seen in > > recent past. > > > > For instance GMT or Universal Time zero was created with Greenwich > as > > the zero longitude was not a Divine revelation but because Britain > > ruled much of the world! If Indians did, perhaps Delhi or as we > know > > Ujjaini in the past could have been treated by the ruling monarchs > as > > the center of the earth and the Tzero! > > > > Similar statements have been made about the so called Aryan > invasion > > of Bharatvarsh! Some say that that the prevailing story suppresses > or > > modifies a different version dealing with the civilization around > > Saraswati river, etc. > > > > But like I stated -- some Historian would have to clarify. And not > > the kind of *historians* who maintain that Indians stole astrology > > from some Babylonian system etc! > > > > RR > > > > , " panditarjun2004 " > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > dear RRji > > > > > > the old adage says history is written by the winners as they > like. > > > similarly you are suggesting that geography and mathematics too > can > > > be written by the winners. are you saying that if india conquers > > the > > > world it can make the global timing zero to new delhi and all the > > > world would be plus or minus delhi. similarly if usa conquers > the > > > whole world it can force the entire world to have washington as > > zero > > > and all countries follow plus or minus washington. > > > > > > kindly explain what was the timing followed by indians before > > british > > > forced this gmt in europe in 1850s and the world few decades ago. > > > > > > also the shifting of clocks manually every year is not uniform > but > > > the software follows the same prefixed calculation. to that > > extent, > > > are all astro softwares accurate? > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > pandit arjun > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Geographical coordinates are not absolute but relative. If > > Indians > > > > ruled over the world instead of British, the Shunya would have > > been > > > > closer to New Delhi perhaps. Dates too are relative in a sense > > > > depending on the orientation one wishes to use: solar, lunar, > > > synodic > > > > etc etc. > > > > > > > > That said, I am not aware of Mr. Kaul ji's research to comment > on > > > the > > > > soundness of his findings or of the researcher. > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > , " panditarjun2004 " > > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > dear RRji > > > > > > > > > > when ak kaulji was screaming on faulty calandar dates > followed > > by > > > > all > > > > > of us, many called him mad man. i respected his research but > > > > > criticised him for harping on the same issue in astrology > > groups. > > > > > > > > > > if we find similar faulty data on geographical coordiantes, > > then > > > > too > > > > > it would be debated and if found true, will be accepted. > > > > > > > > > > in india we follow the vedic dating of festivals like rama > > > NAVAMI, > > > > > krishna ASHTAMI, vijaya DASAMI, ganesh CHATURTHI all on > > panchanga > > > > > based masa, paksha, tithi etc. > > > > > > > > > > but we also follow english calandar based days like > indpendence > > > > day, > > > > > republic day, teachers day, good friday, christmas etc. > > > > > > > > > > it is irony that most hindus who celebrate ram birth day and > > > krisha > > > > > birth day as per panchanga, celebrate their own birthdays > only > > on > > > > > english calandar dates. yes, avtar krishan kaulji is right > to > > an > > > > > extent that most people celebrate their birth days on a wrong > > day. > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > > > > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Arjunji, > > > > > > > > > > > > The latest sensational news I hear is that > > > some/many/most/nearly > > > > > all > > > > > > of us in jyotish had been using the wrong math and wrong > > > > longitudes > > > > > > etc for a long time! I am sure you may have heard the same > > too. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hence no point in talking about rules at this time until > the > > > > pieces > > > > > > get placed in their proper place on the chess board of > > Jyotish. > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , " panditarjun2004 " > > > > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear RRji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are many similarities in the jyotish text of ravan > > > > samhita > > > > > > and > > > > > > > bhrigua samhita and the original ancient jyotish texts > > > > supposedly > > > > > > > written by these sages are lost or only heard. however, > > the > > > > > tantra > > > > > > > part and the ayurveda part of ravansamhita are unique. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > though no astro principles of any sage give uniform rules > > on > > > > all > > > > > > > alike, one thing i observed while learning ravanamaya and > > > > > applying > > > > > > > the tantra principles through actual usage. for getting > > > > > knowledge > > > > > > > and capacity to do tantra etc., one must get help from > > rahu. > > > > to > > > > > > put > > > > > > > otherway, if rahu is strong in a person or is made > strong, > > > that > > > > > > > person will be able to learn tantra like casting spells > and > > > > > healing > > > > > > > and manevourability skills in modern parlance. one more > > > thing > > > > is > > > > > > > that a strong benefic rahu helps the native win in > gambling > > > and > > > > > > > speculation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so after studying ravanamaya and ravanatantra, i can > safely > > > > > > recommend > > > > > > > to strengthen and get benefits from rahu if they are > > > interested > > > > > in > > > > > > > such benefits. the negative definitions of rahu and ketu > > as > > > > rank > > > > > > > malefics as observed in earlier yugas and endorsed by me > > > > earlier > > > > > > have > > > > > > > now found different meaning with natives wanting these. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for example, rahu helps the native to go abroad. this > was > > > > > negative > > > > > > > earlier but is positive today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by the way, i have seen some ravana yantras used by > > > indonesian > > > > > > > muslims where urdu letters are inscribed in ravan's image. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studying ravana helps one how to extract the best out of > > rahu > > > > to > > > > > > get > > > > > > > all mayas and monies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in view of the above, you may like to test the following > > > astro > > > > > > > principles in the horoscopes and am sure will find > positive > > > > > results: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. rahu helps a native go abroad. > > > > > > > 2. rahu helps a native learn tantra rituals. > > > > > > > 3. rahu helps a native learn healing to cure diseases. > > > > > > > 4. rahu helps a native learn casting spells or maya. > > > > > > > 5. rahu helps a native earn windfall gains in gambling. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > > > > > > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Arjunji, anything specific written by Ravan 'ji' that > can > > > be > > > > > > tested > > > > > > > > and confirmed in horoscopes before it can be added to > the > > > > > > > repertoire > > > > > > > > of jyotish wisdom, Arjun ji? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Like a combination that would never fail etc? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Isn't that the biggest problem so far in Jyotish? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Too many possibilities? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > , " panditarjun2004 " > > > > > > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear friend > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sages like bhrigu, garga and even ravan wrote older > > > ancient > > > > > > > > samhitas > > > > > > > > > where macro level astrology was discussed. medieval > > > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > sages compiled more comprehensive micro level > astrology > > > > > subject. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the bhgrigu nadi which supposedly contain leaves of > all > > > > > humans > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > read their past, present and future is different to > > > bhrigu > > > > > > > samhita. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Raja " > > > > <desi.raja@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One question bothers me... I see everyone talking > > about > > > > > > > parashara > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > brihad Parashara, brihad jataka - varahmihir, > kalyan > > > > varma, > > > > > > > > saravali > > > > > > > > > > etc etc all kind of names associated to Jyitisha > > > however > > > > i > > > > > do > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > > or hear Maharshi Bhrigu that much even though he > was > > > the > > > > > > > > rachayeta of > > > > > > > > > > Jyotishshastra. Isn't bhrigu samhita the ultimate > > > source > > > > of > > > > > > > > jyotish? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please discuss in detail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 Dar RRji, Vinay Jha ji, well this is the basic problem isnt it we somehow are still mentally, cultural;ly, intellectually still slaves of the British and later the comunnists who took over the cultural and historical depts and wrote HHistory glofirying the Invaders and abused the Locals as premitive, oblete and till the West said Indian histiorical advantage in Chemistry , Ayurvedha, ZERO, maths, astro-phsyics, Neem tree, Turmeric one by one they also start taking it else we r still in slave mood still even the much touted IT sector we r good on being under someone and excell no individualcontribution that merits our claim to be leaders in knowledge based ecconomy not much of riginal works ins done in any field we may write good sftware but no wherenear writing its USER GUIDES, books on it benefits either untill we redeem our self-esteem in our cultural diversity and its riches which can add value to our potential esle the slavishmindst will sontinue to bother us we have to re-look at history from non invaders perspective. Best Wishes prashant I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's OTHER. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. /database?method=reportRows & tbl=6 ________________________________ Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan Tuesday, January 6, 2009 5:43:15 AM Re: Bhrigu rishi Arjunji, Neither am I a historian, nor was I saying or endorsing that history should be written by winners, even though that has been seen in recent past. For instance GMT or Universal Time zero was created with Greenwich as the zero longitude was not a Divine revelation but because Britain ruled much of the world! If Indians did, perhaps Delhi or as we know Ujjaini in the past could have been treated by the ruling monarchs as the center of the earth and the Tzero! Similar statements have been made about the so called Aryan invasion of Bharatvarsh! Some say that that the prevailing story suppresses or modifies a different version dealing with the civilization around Saraswati river, etc. But like I stated -- some Historian would have to clarify. And not the kind of *historians* who maintain that Indians stole astrology from some Babylonian system etc! RR , " panditarjun2004 " <panditarjun2004@ ...> wrote: > > dear RRji > > the old adage says history is written by the winners as they like. > similarly you are suggesting that geography and mathematics too can > be written by the winners. are you saying that if india conquers the > world it can make the global timing zero to new delhi and all the > world would be plus or minus delhi. similarly if usa conquers the > whole world it can force the entire world to have washington as zero > and all countries follow plus or minus washington. > > kindly explain what was the timing followed by indians before british > forced this gmt in europe in 1850s and the world few decades ago. > > also the shifting of clocks manually every year is not uniform but > the software follows the same prefixed calculation. to that extent, > are all astro softwares accurate? > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > , " Rohiniranjan " > <rohini_ranjan@ > wrote: > > > > Geographical coordinates are not absolute but relative. If Indians > > ruled over the world instead of British, the Shunya would have been > > closer to New Delhi perhaps. Dates too are relative in a sense > > depending on the orientation one wishes to use: solar, lunar, > synodic > > etc etc. > > > > That said, I am not aware of Mr. Kaul ji's research to comment on > the > > soundness of his findings or of the researcher. > > > > RR > > > > > > , " panditarjun2004 " > > <panditarjun2004@ > wrote: > > > > > > dear RRji > > > > > > when ak kaulji was screaming on faulty calandar dates followed by > > all > > > of us, many called him mad man. i respected his research but > > > criticised him for harping on the same issue in astrology groups. > > > > > > if we find similar faulty data on geographical coordiantes, then > > too > > > it would be debated and if found true, will be accepted. > > > > > > in india we follow the vedic dating of festivals like rama > NAVAMI, > > > krishna ASHTAMI, vijaya DASAMI, ganesh CHATURTHI all on panchanga > > > based masa, paksha, tithi etc. > > > > > > but we also follow english calandar based days like indpendence > > day, > > > republic day, teachers day, good friday, christmas etc. > > > > > > it is irony that most hindus who celebrate ram birth day and > krisha > > > birth day as per panchanga, celebrate their own birthdays only on > > > english calandar dates. yes, avtar krishan kaulji is right to an > > > extent that most people celebrate their birth days on a wrong day. > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > pandit arjun > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > > <rohini_ranjan@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Arjunji, > > > > > > > > The latest sensational news I hear is that > some/many/most/ nearly > > > all > > > > of us in jyotish had been using the wrong math and wrong > > longitudes > > > > etc for a long time! I am sure you may have heard the same too. > > > > > > > > Hence no point in talking about rules at this time until the > > pieces > > > > get placed in their proper place on the chess board of Jyotish. > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > , " panditarjun2004 " > > > > <panditarjun2004@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > dear RRji > > > > > > > > > > there are many similarities in the jyotish text of ravan > > samhita > > > > and > > > > > bhrigua samhita and the original ancient jyotish texts > > supposedly > > > > > written by these sages are lost or only heard. however, the > > > tantra > > > > > part and the ayurveda part of ravansamhita are unique. > > > > > > > > > > though no astro principles of any sage give uniform rules on > > all > > > > > alike, one thing i observed while learning ravanamaya and > > > applying > > > > > the tantra principles through actual usage. for getting > > > knowledge > > > > > and capacity to do tantra etc., one must get help from rahu. > > to > > > > put > > > > > otherway, if rahu is strong in a person or is made strong, > that > > > > > person will be able to learn tantra like casting spells and > > > healing > > > > > and manevourability skills in modern parlance. one more > thing > > is > > > > > that a strong benefic rahu helps the native win in gambling > and > > > > > speculation. > > > > > > > > > > so after studying ravanamaya and ravanatantra, i can safely > > > > recommend > > > > > to strengthen and get benefits from rahu if they are > interested > > > in > > > > > such benefits. the negative definitions of rahu and ketu as > > rank > > > > > malefics as observed in earlier yugas and endorsed by me > > earlier > > > > have > > > > > now found different meaning with natives wanting these. > > > > > > > > > > for example, rahu helps the native to go abroad. this was > > > negative > > > > > earlier but is positive today. > > > > > > > > > > by the way, i have seen some ravana yantras used by > indonesian > > > > > muslims where urdu letters are inscribed in ravan's image. > > > > > > > > > > studying ravana helps one how to extract the best out of rahu > > to > > > > get > > > > > all mayas and monies. > > > > > > > > > > in view of the above, you may like to test the following > astro > > > > > principles in the horoscopes and am sure will find positive > > > results: > > > > > > > > > > 1. rahu helps a native go abroad. > > > > > 2. rahu helps a native learn tantra rituals. > > > > > 3. rahu helps a native learn healing to cure diseases. > > > > > 4. rahu helps a native learn casting spells or maya. > > > > > 5. rahu helps a native earn windfall gains in gambling. > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > > > > <rohini_ranjan@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Arjunji, anything specific written by Ravan 'ji' that can > be > > > > tested > > > > > > and confirmed in horoscopes before it can be added to the > > > > > repertoire > > > > > > of jyotish wisdom, Arjun ji? > > > > > > > > > > > > Like a combination that would never fail etc? > > > > > > > > > > > > Isn't that the biggest problem so far in Jyotish? > > > > > > > > > > > > Too many possibilities? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , " panditarjun2004 " > > > > > > <panditarjun2004@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear friend > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sages like bhrigu, garga and even ravan wrote older > ancient > > > > > > samhitas > > > > > > > where macro level astrology was discussed. medieval > > > > astrologers > > > > > > and > > > > > > > sages compiled more comprehensive micro level astrology > > > subject. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the bhgrigu nadi which supposedly contain leaves of all > > > humans > > > > > > which > > > > > > > read their past, present and future is different to > bhrigu > > > > > samhita. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Raja " > > <desi.raja@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One question bothers me... I see everyone talking about > > > > > parashara > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > brihad Parashara, brihad jataka - varahmihir, kalyan > > varma, > > > > > > saravali > > > > > > > > etc etc all kind of names associated to Jyitisha > however > > i > > > do > > > > > not > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > or hear Maharshi Bhrigu that much even though he was > the > > > > > > rachayeta of > > > > > > > > Jyotishshastra. Isn't bhrigu samhita the ultimate > source > > of > > > > > > jyotish? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please discuss in detail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 Loved that statement, Kumar ji. HAHA! ;-) , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: > > ...> > we may write good software but no where near writing its USER GUIDES, books on its benefits either > ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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