Guest guest Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 One question bothers me... I see everyone talking about parashara of brihad Parashara, brihad jataka - varahmihir, kalyan varma, saravali etc etc all kind of names associated to Jyitisha however i do not see or hear Maharshi Bhrigu that much even though he was the rachayeta of Jyotishshastra. Isn't bhrigu samhita the ultimate source of jyotish? Please discuss in detail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 dear friend sages like bhrigu, garga and even ravan wrote older ancient samhitas where macro level astrology was discussed. medieval astrologers and sages compiled more comprehensive micro level astrology subject. the bhgrigu nadi which supposedly contain leaves of all humans which read their past, present and future is different to bhrigu samhita. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy.com , " Raja " <desi.raja wrote: > > One question bothers me... I see everyone talking about parashara of > brihad Parashara, brihad jataka - varahmihir, kalyan varma, saravali > etc etc all kind of names associated to Jyitisha however i do not see > or hear Maharshi Bhrigu that much even though he was the rachayeta of > Jyotishshastra. Isn't bhrigu samhita the ultimate source of jyotish? > > Please discuss in detail. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 Arjunji, anything specific written by Ravan 'ji' that can be tested and confirmed in horoscopes before it can be added to the repertoire of jyotish wisdom, Arjun ji? Like a combination that would never fail etc? Isn't that the biggest problem so far in Jyotish? Too many possibilities? , " panditarjun2004 " <panditarjun2004 wrote: > > dear friend > > sages like bhrigu, garga and even ravan wrote older ancient samhitas > where macro level astrology was discussed. medieval astrologers and > sages compiled more comprehensive micro level astrology subject. > > the bhgrigu nadi which supposedly contain leaves of all humans which > read their past, present and future is different to bhrigu samhita. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > , " Raja " <desi.raja@> wrote: > > > > One question bothers me... I see everyone talking about parashara of > > brihad Parashara, brihad jataka - varahmihir, kalyan varma, saravali > > etc etc all kind of names associated to Jyitisha however i do not see > > or hear Maharshi Bhrigu that much even though he was the rachayeta of > > Jyotishshastra. Isn't bhrigu samhita the ultimate source of jyotish? > > > > Please discuss in detail. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 Dear Raja, If that was indeed the case, as you put it, in few thousands of years that we all believe Jyotish has existed or been " revealed " to mankind, that has only *recently* degenerated, hopefully, you would not be posting your question to this erudite board! The more questions you ask, of this nature, even if hopefully sincerely, the more you shall continue to ask. Have you ever tried the crazy alternative of finding the answer as opposed to casting the question and then waiting? The *analogy* I am sure would not be lost on you! The best way to fish is to do it alone for fish come to you when it is quiet! RR , " Raja " <desi.raja wrote: > > One question bothers me... I see everyone talking about parashara of > brihad Parashara, brihad jataka - varahmihir, kalyan varma, saravali > etc etc all kind of names associated to Jyitisha however i do not see > or hear Maharshi Bhrigu that much even though he was the rachayeta of > Jyotishshastra. Isn't bhrigu samhita the ultimate source of jyotish? > > Please discuss in detail. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 RRji, hmmm.. you are right but there is no joy in fishing alone..... fishing with family and friends is the best way to catch more fishes and enjoy..... you are right thought I must control my mind... Raja , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan wrote: > > Dear Raja, > > If that was indeed the case, as you put it, in few thousands of years > that we all believe Jyotish has existed or been " revealed " to mankind, > that has only *recently* degenerated, hopefully, you would not be > posting your question to this erudite board! > > The more questions you ask, of this nature, even if hopefully > sincerely, the more you shall continue to ask. > > Have you ever tried the crazy alternative of finding the answer as > opposed to casting the question and then waiting? > > The *analogy* I am sure would not be lost on you! The best way to fish > is to do it alone for fish come to you when it is quiet! > > > RR > > > , " Raja " <desi.raja@> wrote: > > > > One question bothers me... I see everyone talking about parashara of > > brihad Parashara, brihad jataka - varahmihir, kalyan varma, saravali > > etc etc all kind of names associated to Jyitisha however i do not see > > or hear Maharshi Bhrigu that much even though he was the rachayeta of > > Jyotishshastra. Isn't bhrigu samhita the ultimate source of jyotish? > > > > Please discuss in detail. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 Raj said : " bhrigu samhita the ultimate source of jyotish " According to traditional definitions, samhita is only one of the three main branches of jotisha. There were 18 principal samhitas, all by rishis, most of which have been lost partly or wholly. But even if all these samhitas reappear again, they will make up only one of the three branches of jyotisha. Another is Hora, in which BPHS is unparalleled. Parashara was a Vedic rishi, although a rishi of that lineage existed right before Mahabharata War. Third branch is Siddhanta, of which five were left at the time of Varah Mihir, among which he lauded Surya SIddhanta to be the best. According to verses in Surya SIddhanta, it was revealed by Lord Surya just before the ebd of Krit yuga. This is the traditional view. Catching fishes in a dry pond is not recommendable, either alone or with family. Lost things are dry ponds. Let us endeavour to fill up the ponds again, through Rta and Tapa which begets Truth, as the opening mantras of traditional sandhya-vandana says. Original Bhrigu Samhita does not exist. Texts using Rishi Bhrigu's name do not qualify to be samhita at all, according to definition of a samhita. -VJ , " Raja " <desi.raja wrote: > > RRji, > > hmmm.. you are right but there is no joy in fishing alone..... > fishing with family and friends is the best way to catch more fishes > and enjoy..... you are right thought I must control my mind... > > Raja > > , " Rohiniranjan " > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > Dear Raja, > > > > If that was indeed the case, as you put it, in few thousands of > years > > that we all believe Jyotish has existed or been " revealed " to > mankind, > > that has only *recently* degenerated, hopefully, you would not be > > posting your question to this erudite board! > > > > The more questions you ask, of this nature, even if hopefully > > sincerely, the more you shall continue to ask. > > > > Have you ever tried the crazy alternative of finding the answer as > > opposed to casting the question and then waiting? > > > > The *analogy* I am sure would not be lost on you! The best way to > fish > > is to do it alone for fish come to you when it is quiet! > > > > > > RR > > > > > > , " Raja " <desi.raja@> wrote: > > > > > > One question bothers me... I see everyone talking about parashara > of > > > brihad Parashara, brihad jataka - varahmihir, kalyan varma, > saravali > > > etc etc all kind of names associated to Jyitisha however i do not > see > > > or hear Maharshi Bhrigu that much even though he was the > rachayeta of > > > Jyotishshastra. Isn't bhrigu samhita the ultimate source of > jyotish? > > > > > > Please discuss in detail. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 Ravan 'ji' could not predict his own fate ! What an astrologer ! -VJ ------------------- , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan wrote: > > Arjunji, anything specific written by Ravan 'ji' that can be tested > and confirmed in horoscopes before it can be added to the repertoire > of jyotish wisdom, Arjun ji? > > Like a combination that would never fail etc? > > Isn't that the biggest problem so far in Jyotish? > > Too many possibilities? > > > > , " panditarjun2004 " > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > dear friend > > > > sages like bhrigu, garga and even ravan wrote older ancient > samhitas > > where macro level astrology was discussed. medieval astrologers > and > > sages compiled more comprehensive micro level astrology subject. > > > > the bhgrigu nadi which supposedly contain leaves of all humans > which > > read their past, present and future is different to bhrigu samhita. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > , " Raja " <desi.raja@> wrote: > > > > > > One question bothers me... I see everyone talking about parashara > of > > > brihad Parashara, brihad jataka - varahmihir, kalyan varma, > saravali > > > etc etc all kind of names associated to Jyitisha however i do not > see > > > or hear Maharshi Bhrigu that much even though he was the > rachayeta of > > > Jyotishshastra. Isn't bhrigu samhita the ultimate source of > jyotish? > > > > > > Please discuss in detail. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 dear Vinay jha, still no one is able to give 100% perfect prdiction by examin of Horoscope, their are lot of questions infront of astrology which are still unanswered - one more problem is that people expect extreem from astrology, which is not possible. Astrology is full of IF and BUT, but as you know human never accept defeat, they still trying to find and fix the sutra which may common, let us see when got sucess. rgds Niket , " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > Ravan 'ji' could not predict his own fate ! What an astrologer ! > > -VJ > ------------------- > , " Rohiniranjan " > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > Arjunji, anything specific written by Ravan 'ji' that can be tested > > and confirmed in horoscopes before it can be added to the repertoire > > of jyotish wisdom, Arjun ji? > > > > Like a combination that would never fail etc? > > > > Isn't that the biggest problem so far in Jyotish? > > > > Too many possibilities? > > > > > > > > , " panditarjun2004 " > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > dear friend > > > > > > sages like bhrigu, garga and even ravan wrote older ancient > > samhitas > > > where macro level astrology was discussed. medieval astrologers > > and > > > sages compiled more comprehensive micro level astrology subject. > > > > > > the bhgrigu nadi which supposedly contain leaves of all humans > > which > > > read their past, present and future is different to bhrigu samhita. > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > pandit arjun > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > , " Raja " <desi.raja@> wrote: > > > > > > > > One question bothers me... I see everyone talking about parashara > > of > > > > brihad Parashara, brihad jataka - varahmihir, kalyan varma, > > saravali > > > > etc etc all kind of names associated to Jyitisha however i do not > > see > > > > or hear Maharshi Bhrigu that much even though he was the > > rachayeta of > > > > Jyotishshastra. Isn't bhrigu samhita the ultimate source of > > jyotish? > > > > > > > > Please discuss in detail. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 Raja, You want company or do you want to accomplish? :-) Fishing, just like astrological charcha is an activity but one must be very clear what they want out of it! You sound younger than some of us vocal ones, so I am presuming that you want to catch fish (matsya awataar) and if that is the case you are wasting time here! RR , " Raja " <desi.raja wrote: > > RRji, > > hmmm.. you are right but there is no joy in fishing alone..... > fishing with family and friends is the best way to catch more fishes > and enjoy..... you are right thought I must control my mind... > > Raja > > , " Rohiniranjan " > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > Dear Raja, > > > > If that was indeed the case, as you put it, in few thousands of > years > > that we all believe Jyotish has existed or been " revealed " to > mankind, > > that has only *recently* degenerated, hopefully, you would not be > > posting your question to this erudite board! > > > > The more questions you ask, of this nature, even if hopefully > > sincerely, the more you shall continue to ask. > > > > Have you ever tried the crazy alternative of finding the answer as > > opposed to casting the question and then waiting? > > > > The *analogy* I am sure would not be lost on you! The best way to > fish > > is to do it alone for fish come to you when it is quiet! > > > > > > RR > > > > > > , " Raja " <desi.raja@> wrote: > > > > > > One question bothers me... I see everyone talking about parashara > of > > > brihad Parashara, brihad jataka - varahmihir, kalyan varma, > saravali > > > etc etc all kind of names associated to Jyitisha however i do not > see > > > or hear Maharshi Bhrigu that much even though he was the > rachayeta of > > > Jyotishshastra. Isn't bhrigu samhita the ultimate source of > jyotish? > > > > > > Please discuss in detail. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 Well said Vinay ji! No fun fishing for imaginary fish in imaginary ponds (dry ponds?) Unless someone is trying to dupe a blind person under the presumption that all are blind! I am with you on that one! Rohiniranjan , " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > Raj said : " bhrigu samhita the ultimate source of jyotish " > > According to traditional definitions, samhita is only one of the three > main branches of jotisha. There were 18 principal samhitas, all by > rishis, most of which have been lost partly or wholly. But even if all > these samhitas reappear again, they will make up only one of the three > branches of jyotisha. Another is Hora, in which BPHS is unparalleled. > Parashara was a Vedic rishi, although a rishi of that lineage existed > right before Mahabharata War. Third branch is Siddhanta, of which five > were left at the time of Varah Mihir, among which he lauded Surya > SIddhanta to be the best. According to verses in Surya SIddhanta, it > was revealed by Lord Surya just before the ebd of Krit yuga. > > This is the traditional view. > > Catching fishes in a dry pond is not recommendable, either alone or > with family. Lost things are dry ponds. Let us endeavour to fill up > the ponds again, through Rta and Tapa which begets Truth, as the > opening mantras of traditional sandhya-vandana says. > > Original Bhrigu Samhita does not exist. Texts using Rishi Bhrigu's > name do not qualify to be samhita at all, according to definition of > a samhita. > > -VJ > > , " Raja " <desi.raja@> wrote: > > > > RRji, > > > > hmmm.. you are right but there is no joy in fishing alone..... > > fishing with family and friends is the best way to catch more fishes > > and enjoy..... you are right thought I must control my mind... > > > > Raja > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Raja, > > > > > > If that was indeed the case, as you put it, in few thousands of > > years > > > that we all believe Jyotish has existed or been " revealed " to > > mankind, > > > that has only *recently* degenerated, hopefully, you would not be > > > posting your question to this erudite board! > > > > > > The more questions you ask, of this nature, even if hopefully > > > sincerely, the more you shall continue to ask. > > > > > > Have you ever tried the crazy alternative of finding the answer as > > > opposed to casting the question and then waiting? > > > > > > The *analogy* I am sure would not be lost on you! The best way to > > fish > > > is to do it alone for fish come to you when it is quiet! > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > , " Raja " <desi.raja@> wrote: > > > > > > > > One question bothers me... I see everyone talking about parashara > > of > > > > brihad Parashara, brihad jataka - varahmihir, kalyan varma, > > saravali > > > > etc etc all kind of names associated to Jyitisha however i do not > > see > > > > or hear Maharshi Bhrigu that much even though he was the > > rachayeta of > > > > Jyotishshastra. Isn't bhrigu samhita the ultimate source of > > jyotish? > > > > > > > > Please discuss in detail. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 Dear Vinay, I do not think any astrologer (real, not mythical or mythological!) has ever arrived amongst the great unwashed us who could fully predict his or fate! We all stand in awe if corrected and demonstrated so, of course ;-) Rohiniranjan , " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > Ravan 'ji' could not predict his own fate ! What an astrologer ! > > -VJ > ------------------- > , " Rohiniranjan " > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > Arjunji, anything specific written by Ravan 'ji' that can be tested > > and confirmed in horoscopes before it can be added to the repertoire > > of jyotish wisdom, Arjun ji? > > > > Like a combination that would never fail etc? > > > > Isn't that the biggest problem so far in Jyotish? > > > > Too many possibilities? > > > > > > > > , " panditarjun2004 " > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > dear friend > > > > > > sages like bhrigu, garga and even ravan wrote older ancient > > samhitas > > > where macro level astrology was discussed. medieval astrologers > > and > > > sages compiled more comprehensive micro level astrology subject. > > > > > > the bhgrigu nadi which supposedly contain leaves of all humans > > which > > > read their past, present and future is different to bhrigu samhita. > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > pandit arjun > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > , " Raja " <desi.raja@> wrote: > > > > > > > > One question bothers me... I see everyone talking about parashara > > of > > > > brihad Parashara, brihad jataka - varahmihir, kalyan varma, > > saravali > > > > etc etc all kind of names associated to Jyitisha however i do not > > see > > > > or hear Maharshi Bhrigu that much even though he was the > > rachayeta of > > > > Jyotishshastra. Isn't bhrigu samhita the ultimate source of > > jyotish? > > > > > > > > Please discuss in detail. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 @ Niket : I have worked on a large number of horoscopes of dead celebrities with reliable birthtime, and found that ancient method has no fault ; fault lies in us, as we have modified the methods of sages. I've started putting the results at http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Prediction+of+Death Please wait for a couple of days before this page contains some readable matter, which exists in Hindi presently. Astrology is not a physical science to progress by means of fallible human speculation. It is a gift of God revealed to Rishis. We are not empowered to divine the influences of planets, as some modern 'Rishis' are doing about Neptune and Pluto, for instance. -VJ , " astroiniket " <nakshtraniket wrote: > > dear Vinay jha, still no one is able to give 100% perfect prdiction > by examin of Horoscope, their are lot of questions infront of > astrology which are still unanswered - one more problem is that > people expect extreem from astrology, which is not possible. > > Astrology is full of IF and BUT, but as you know human never accept > defeat, they still trying to find and fix the sutra which may common, > let us see when got sucess. > > > > rgds > Niket > > , " vinayjhaa16 " > <vinayjhaa16@> wrote: > > > > Ravan 'ji' could not predict his own fate ! What an astrologer ! > > > > -VJ > > ------------------- > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > > > Arjunji, anything specific written by Ravan 'ji' that can be > tested > > > and confirmed in horoscopes before it can be added to the > repertoire > > > of jyotish wisdom, Arjun ji? > > > > > > Like a combination that would never fail etc? > > > > > > Isn't that the biggest problem so far in Jyotish? > > > > > > Too many possibilities? > > > > > > > > > > > > , " panditarjun2004 " > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > dear friend > > > > > > > > sages like bhrigu, garga and even ravan wrote older ancient > > > samhitas > > > > where macro level astrology was discussed. medieval > astrologers > > > and > > > > sages compiled more comprehensive micro level astrology subject. > > > > > > > > the bhgrigu nadi which supposedly contain leaves of all humans > > > which > > > > read their past, present and future is different to bhrigu > samhita. > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > pandit arjun > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > > > , " Raja " <desi.raja@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > One question bothers me... I see everyone talking about > parashara > > > of > > > > > brihad Parashara, brihad jataka - varahmihir, kalyan varma, > > > saravali > > > > > etc etc all kind of names associated to Jyitisha however i do > not > > > see > > > > > or hear Maharshi Bhrigu that much even though he was the > > > rachayeta of > > > > > Jyotishshastra. Isn't bhrigu samhita the ultimate source of > > > jyotish? > > > > > > > > > > Please discuss in detail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 dear RRji there are many similarities in the jyotish text of ravan samhita and bhrigua samhita and the original ancient jyotish texts supposedly written by these sages are lost or only heard. however, the tantra part and the ayurveda part of ravansamhita are unique. though no astro principles of any sage give uniform rules on all alike, one thing i observed while learning ravanamaya and applying the tantra principles through actual usage. for getting knowledge and capacity to do tantra etc., one must get help from rahu. to put otherway, if rahu is strong in a person or is made strong, that person will be able to learn tantra like casting spells and healing and manevourability skills in modern parlance. one more thing is that a strong benefic rahu helps the native win in gambling and speculation. so after studying ravanamaya and ravanatantra, i can safely recommend to strengthen and get benefits from rahu if they are interested in such benefits. the negative definitions of rahu and ketu as rank malefics as observed in earlier yugas and endorsed by me earlier have now found different meaning with natives wanting these. for example, rahu helps the native to go abroad. this was negative earlier but is positive today. by the way, i have seen some ravana yantras used by indonesian muslims where urdu letters are inscribed in ravan's image. studying ravana helps one how to extract the best out of rahu to get all mayas and monies. in view of the above, you may like to test the following astro principles in the horoscopes and am sure will find positive results: 1. rahu helps a native go abroad. 2. rahu helps a native learn tantra rituals. 3. rahu helps a native learn healing to cure diseases. 4. rahu helps a native learn casting spells or maya. 5. rahu helps a native earn windfall gains in gambling. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy.com , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan wrote: > > Arjunji, anything specific written by Ravan 'ji' that can be tested > and confirmed in horoscopes before it can be added to the repertoire > of jyotish wisdom, Arjun ji? > > Like a combination that would never fail etc? > > Isn't that the biggest problem so far in Jyotish? > > Too many possibilities? > > > > , " panditarjun2004 " > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > dear friend > > > > sages like bhrigu, garga and even ravan wrote older ancient > samhitas > > where macro level astrology was discussed. medieval astrologers > and > > sages compiled more comprehensive micro level astrology subject. > > > > the bhgrigu nadi which supposedly contain leaves of all humans > which > > read their past, present and future is different to bhrigu samhita. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > , " Raja " <desi.raja@> wrote: > > > > > > One question bothers me... I see everyone talking about parashara > of > > > brihad Parashara, brihad jataka - varahmihir, kalyan varma, > saravali > > > etc etc all kind of names associated to Jyitisha however i do not > see > > > or hear Maharshi Bhrigu that much even though he was the > rachayeta of > > > Jyotishshastra. Isn't bhrigu samhita the ultimate source of > jyotish? > > > > > > Please discuss in detail. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 Arjunji, The latest sensational news I hear is that some/many/most/nearly all of us in jyotish had been using the wrong math and wrong longitudes etc for a long time! I am sure you may have heard the same too. Hence no point in talking about rules at this time until the pieces get placed in their proper place on the chess board of Jyotish. RR , " panditarjun2004 " <panditarjun2004 wrote: > > dear RRji > > there are many similarities in the jyotish text of ravan samhita and > bhrigua samhita and the original ancient jyotish texts supposedly > written by these sages are lost or only heard. however, the tantra > part and the ayurveda part of ravansamhita are unique. > > though no astro principles of any sage give uniform rules on all > alike, one thing i observed while learning ravanamaya and applying > the tantra principles through actual usage. for getting knowledge > and capacity to do tantra etc., one must get help from rahu. to put > otherway, if rahu is strong in a person or is made strong, that > person will be able to learn tantra like casting spells and healing > and manevourability skills in modern parlance. one more thing is > that a strong benefic rahu helps the native win in gambling and > speculation. > > so after studying ravanamaya and ravanatantra, i can safely recommend > to strengthen and get benefits from rahu if they are interested in > such benefits. the negative definitions of rahu and ketu as rank > malefics as observed in earlier yugas and endorsed by me earlier have > now found different meaning with natives wanting these. > > for example, rahu helps the native to go abroad. this was negative > earlier but is positive today. > > by the way, i have seen some ravana yantras used by indonesian > muslims where urdu letters are inscribed in ravan's image. > > studying ravana helps one how to extract the best out of rahu to get > all mayas and monies. > > in view of the above, you may like to test the following astro > principles in the horoscopes and am sure will find positive results: > > 1. rahu helps a native go abroad. > 2. rahu helps a native learn tantra rituals. > 3. rahu helps a native learn healing to cure diseases. > 4. rahu helps a native learn casting spells or maya. > 5. rahu helps a native earn windfall gains in gambling. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > , " Rohiniranjan " > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > Arjunji, anything specific written by Ravan 'ji' that can be tested > > and confirmed in horoscopes before it can be added to the > repertoire > > of jyotish wisdom, Arjun ji? > > > > Like a combination that would never fail etc? > > > > Isn't that the biggest problem so far in Jyotish? > > > > Too many possibilities? > > > > > > > > , " panditarjun2004 " > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > dear friend > > > > > > sages like bhrigu, garga and even ravan wrote older ancient > > samhitas > > > where macro level astrology was discussed. medieval astrologers > > and > > > sages compiled more comprehensive micro level astrology subject. > > > > > > the bhgrigu nadi which supposedly contain leaves of all humans > > which > > > read their past, present and future is different to bhrigu > samhita. > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > pandit arjun > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > , " Raja " <desi.raja@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > One question bothers me... I see everyone talking about > parashara > > of > > > > brihad Parashara, brihad jataka - varahmihir, kalyan varma, > > saravali > > > > etc etc all kind of names associated to Jyitisha however i do > not > > see > > > > or hear Maharshi Bhrigu that much even though he was the > > rachayeta of > > > > Jyotishshastra. Isn't bhrigu samhita the ultimate source of > > jyotish? > > > > > > > > Please discuss in detail. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 Dear Vinay, This should be then easy to put to rest. For the query that is posed on this forum, you can provide data by your calculation and explain the events etc. That should not take too long to make the case. Don't you think so? Rohiniranjan , " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > @ Niket : > I have worked on a large number of horoscopes of dead celebrities with > reliable birthtime, and found that ancient method has no fault ; fault > lies in us, as we have modified the methods of sages. I've started > putting the results at > http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Prediction+of+Death Please wait > for a couple of days before this page contains some readable matter, > which exists in Hindi presently. > Astrology is not a physical science to progress by means of fallible > human speculation. It is a gift of God revealed to Rishis. We are not > empowered to divine the influences of planets, as some modern 'Rishis' > are doing about Neptune and Pluto, for instance. > > -VJ > > , " astroiniket " > <nakshtraniket@> wrote: > > > > dear Vinay jha, still no one is able to give 100% perfect prdiction > > by examin of Horoscope, their are lot of questions infront of > > astrology which are still unanswered - one more problem is that > > people expect extreem from astrology, which is not possible. > > > > Astrology is full of IF and BUT, but as you know human never accept > > defeat, they still trying to find and fix the sutra which may common, > > let us see when got sucess. > > > > > > > > rgds > > Niket > > > > , " vinayjhaa16 " > > <vinayjhaa16@> wrote: > > > > > > Ravan 'ji' could not predict his own fate ! What an astrologer ! > > > > > > -VJ > > > ------------------- > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Arjunji, anything specific written by Ravan 'ji' that can be > > tested > > > > and confirmed in horoscopes before it can be added to the > > repertoire > > > > of jyotish wisdom, Arjun ji? > > > > > > > > Like a combination that would never fail etc? > > > > > > > > Isn't that the biggest problem so far in Jyotish? > > > > > > > > Too many possibilities? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " panditarjun2004 " > > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > dear friend > > > > > > > > > > sages like bhrigu, garga and even ravan wrote older ancient > > > > samhitas > > > > > where macro level astrology was discussed. medieval > > astrologers > > > > and > > > > > sages compiled more comprehensive micro level astrology subject. > > > > > > > > > > the bhgrigu nadi which supposedly contain leaves of all humans > > > > which > > > > > read their past, present and future is different to bhrigu > > samhita. > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > > > > > , " Raja " <desi.raja@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > One question bothers me... I see everyone talking about > > parashara > > > > of > > > > > > brihad Parashara, brihad jataka - varahmihir, kalyan varma, > > > > saravali > > > > > > etc etc all kind of names associated to Jyitisha however i do > > not > > > > see > > > > > > or hear Maharshi Bhrigu that much even though he was the > > > > rachayeta of > > > > > > Jyotishshastra. Isn't bhrigu samhita the ultimate source of > > > > jyotish? > > > > > > > > > > > > Please discuss in detail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 dear RRji when ak kaulji was screaming on faulty calandar dates followed by all of us, many called him mad man. i respected his research but criticised him for harping on the same issue in astrology groups. if we find similar faulty data on geographical coordiantes, then too it would be debated and if found true, will be accepted. in india we follow the vedic dating of festivals like rama NAVAMI, krishna ASHTAMI, vijaya DASAMI, ganesh CHATURTHI all on panchanga based masa, paksha, tithi etc. but we also follow english calandar based days like indpendence day, republic day, teachers day, good friday, christmas etc. it is irony that most hindus who celebrate ram birth day and krisha birth day as per panchanga, celebrate their own birthdays only on english calandar dates. yes, avtar krishan kaulji is right to an extent that most people celebrate their birth days on a wrong day. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy.com , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan wrote: > > Arjunji, > > The latest sensational news I hear is that some/many/most/nearly all > of us in jyotish had been using the wrong math and wrong longitudes > etc for a long time! I am sure you may have heard the same too. > > Hence no point in talking about rules at this time until the pieces > get placed in their proper place on the chess board of Jyotish. > > RR > > , " panditarjun2004 " > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > dear RRji > > > > there are many similarities in the jyotish text of ravan samhita > and > > bhrigua samhita and the original ancient jyotish texts supposedly > > written by these sages are lost or only heard. however, the tantra > > part and the ayurveda part of ravansamhita are unique. > > > > though no astro principles of any sage give uniform rules on all > > alike, one thing i observed while learning ravanamaya and applying > > the tantra principles through actual usage. for getting knowledge > > and capacity to do tantra etc., one must get help from rahu. to > put > > otherway, if rahu is strong in a person or is made strong, that > > person will be able to learn tantra like casting spells and healing > > and manevourability skills in modern parlance. one more thing is > > that a strong benefic rahu helps the native win in gambling and > > speculation. > > > > so after studying ravanamaya and ravanatantra, i can safely > recommend > > to strengthen and get benefits from rahu if they are interested in > > such benefits. the negative definitions of rahu and ketu as rank > > malefics as observed in earlier yugas and endorsed by me earlier > have > > now found different meaning with natives wanting these. > > > > for example, rahu helps the native to go abroad. this was negative > > earlier but is positive today. > > > > by the way, i have seen some ravana yantras used by indonesian > > muslims where urdu letters are inscribed in ravan's image. > > > > studying ravana helps one how to extract the best out of rahu to > get > > all mayas and monies. > > > > in view of the above, you may like to test the following astro > > principles in the horoscopes and am sure will find positive results: > > > > 1. rahu helps a native go abroad. > > 2. rahu helps a native learn tantra rituals. > > 3. rahu helps a native learn healing to cure diseases. > > 4. rahu helps a native learn casting spells or maya. > > 5. rahu helps a native earn windfall gains in gambling. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > > > Arjunji, anything specific written by Ravan 'ji' that can be > tested > > > and confirmed in horoscopes before it can be added to the > > repertoire > > > of jyotish wisdom, Arjun ji? > > > > > > Like a combination that would never fail etc? > > > > > > Isn't that the biggest problem so far in Jyotish? > > > > > > Too many possibilities? > > > > > > > > > > > > , " panditarjun2004 " > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > dear friend > > > > > > > > sages like bhrigu, garga and even ravan wrote older ancient > > > samhitas > > > > where macro level astrology was discussed. medieval > astrologers > > > and > > > > sages compiled more comprehensive micro level astrology subject. > > > > > > > > the bhgrigu nadi which supposedly contain leaves of all humans > > > which > > > > read their past, present and future is different to bhrigu > > samhita. > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > pandit arjun > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > > > , " Raja " <desi.raja@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > One question bothers me... I see everyone talking about > > parashara > > > of > > > > > brihad Parashara, brihad jataka - varahmihir, kalyan varma, > > > saravali > > > > > etc etc all kind of names associated to Jyitisha however i do > > not > > > see > > > > > or hear Maharshi Bhrigu that much even though he was the > > > rachayeta of > > > > > Jyotishshastra. Isn't bhrigu samhita the ultimate source of > > > jyotish? > > > > > > > > > > Please discuss in detail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 I've already put the summary results of two dead persons on the jyotirvidta site : Napoleon and Hitler, who presented contrasting cases. Napoleon's death is a classic example of canonical method (Amshaayu,Pindaayu,Nisargaayu), while Hitler's is an exception case which is also dealt according to rules prescribed in BPHS. But like other topics, here too I found that only ancient Suryasiddhantic Ganita can lead to a faultless predictive method. I would have liked to dealt with these 'death horoscopes' in a greater detail, providing screenshots of D1 and D30 charts as well, if some readers are there. I've found out the horoscope of Prophet Muhammad too, using Suryasiddhantic techniques. -VJ ----------------------- ----------------- , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan wrote: > > Dear Vinay, > > This should be then easy to put to rest. For the query that is posed > on this forum, you can provide data by your calculation and explain > the events etc. > > That should not take too long to make the case. Don't you think so? > > Rohiniranjan > > , " vinayjhaa16 " > <vinayjhaa16@> wrote: > > > > @ Niket : > > I have worked on a large number of horoscopes of dead celebrities > with > > reliable birthtime, and found that ancient method has no fault ; > fault > > lies in us, as we have modified the methods of sages. I've started > > putting the results at > > http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Prediction+of+Death Please wait > > for a couple of days before this page contains some readable matter, > > which exists in Hindi presently. > > Astrology is not a physical science to progress by means of fallible > > human speculation. It is a gift of God revealed to Rishis. We are > not > > empowered to divine the influences of planets, as some > modern 'Rishis' > > are doing about Neptune and Pluto, for instance. > > > > -VJ > > > > , " astroiniket " > > <nakshtraniket@> wrote: > > > > > > dear Vinay jha, still no one is able to give 100% perfect > prdiction > > > by examin of Horoscope, their are lot of questions infront of > > > astrology which are still unanswered - one more problem is that > > > people expect extreem from astrology, which is not possible. > > > > > > Astrology is full of IF and BUT, but as you know human never > accept > > > defeat, they still trying to find and fix the sutra which may > common, > > > let us see when got sucess. > > > > > > > > > > > > rgds > > > Niket > > > > > > , " vinayjhaa16 " > > > <vinayjhaa16@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Ravan 'ji' could not predict his own fate ! What an astrologer ! > > > > > > > > -VJ > > > > ------------------- > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > > > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Arjunji, anything specific written by Ravan 'ji' that can be > > > tested > > > > > and confirmed in horoscopes before it can be added to the > > > repertoire > > > > > of jyotish wisdom, Arjun ji? > > > > > > > > > > Like a combination that would never fail etc? > > > > > > > > > > Isn't that the biggest problem so far in Jyotish? > > > > > > > > > > Too many possibilities? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " panditarjun2004 " > > > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > dear friend > > > > > > > > > > > > sages like bhrigu, garga and even ravan wrote older ancient > > > > > samhitas > > > > > > where macro level astrology was discussed. medieval > > > astrologers > > > > > and > > > > > > sages compiled more comprehensive micro level astrology > subject. > > > > > > > > > > > > the bhgrigu nadi which supposedly contain leaves of all > humans > > > > > which > > > > > > read their past, present and future is different to bhrigu > > > samhita. > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Raja " > <desi.raja@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One question bothers me... I see everyone talking about > > > parashara > > > > > of > > > > > > > brihad Parashara, brihad jataka - varahmihir, kalyan > varma, > > > > > saravali > > > > > > > etc etc all kind of names associated to Jyitisha however > i do > > > not > > > > > see > > > > > > > or hear Maharshi Bhrigu that much even though he was the > > > > > rachayeta of > > > > > > > Jyotishshastra. Isn't bhrigu samhita the ultimate source > of > > > > > jyotish? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please discuss in detail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 Geographical coordinates are not absolute but relative. If Indians ruled over the world instead of British, the Shunya would have been closer to New Delhi perhaps. Dates too are relative in a sense depending on the orientation one wishes to use: solar, lunar, synodic etc etc. That said, I am not aware of Mr. Kaul ji's research to comment on the soundness of his findings or of the researcher. RR , " panditarjun2004 " <panditarjun2004 wrote: > > dear RRji > > when ak kaulji was screaming on faulty calandar dates followed by all > of us, many called him mad man. i respected his research but > criticised him for harping on the same issue in astrology groups. > > if we find similar faulty data on geographical coordiantes, then too > it would be debated and if found true, will be accepted. > > in india we follow the vedic dating of festivals like rama NAVAMI, > krishna ASHTAMI, vijaya DASAMI, ganesh CHATURTHI all on panchanga > based masa, paksha, tithi etc. > > but we also follow english calandar based days like indpendence day, > republic day, teachers day, good friday, christmas etc. > > it is irony that most hindus who celebrate ram birth day and krisha > birth day as per panchanga, celebrate their own birthdays only on > english calandar dates. yes, avtar krishan kaulji is right to an > extent that most people celebrate their birth days on a wrong day. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > , " Rohiniranjan " > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > Arjunji, > > > > The latest sensational news I hear is that some/many/most/nearly > all > > of us in jyotish had been using the wrong math and wrong longitudes > > etc for a long time! I am sure you may have heard the same too. > > > > Hence no point in talking about rules at this time until the pieces > > get placed in their proper place on the chess board of Jyotish. > > > > RR > > > > , " panditarjun2004 " > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > dear RRji > > > > > > there are many similarities in the jyotish text of ravan samhita > > and > > > bhrigua samhita and the original ancient jyotish texts supposedly > > > written by these sages are lost or only heard. however, the > tantra > > > part and the ayurveda part of ravansamhita are unique. > > > > > > though no astro principles of any sage give uniform rules on all > > > alike, one thing i observed while learning ravanamaya and > applying > > > the tantra principles through actual usage. for getting > knowledge > > > and capacity to do tantra etc., one must get help from rahu. to > > put > > > otherway, if rahu is strong in a person or is made strong, that > > > person will be able to learn tantra like casting spells and > healing > > > and manevourability skills in modern parlance. one more thing is > > > that a strong benefic rahu helps the native win in gambling and > > > speculation. > > > > > > so after studying ravanamaya and ravanatantra, i can safely > > recommend > > > to strengthen and get benefits from rahu if they are interested > in > > > such benefits. the negative definitions of rahu and ketu as rank > > > malefics as observed in earlier yugas and endorsed by me earlier > > have > > > now found different meaning with natives wanting these. > > > > > > for example, rahu helps the native to go abroad. this was > negative > > > earlier but is positive today. > > > > > > by the way, i have seen some ravana yantras used by indonesian > > > muslims where urdu letters are inscribed in ravan's image. > > > > > > studying ravana helps one how to extract the best out of rahu to > > get > > > all mayas and monies. > > > > > > in view of the above, you may like to test the following astro > > > principles in the horoscopes and am sure will find positive > results: > > > > > > 1. rahu helps a native go abroad. > > > 2. rahu helps a native learn tantra rituals. > > > 3. rahu helps a native learn healing to cure diseases. > > > 4. rahu helps a native learn casting spells or maya. > > > 5. rahu helps a native earn windfall gains in gambling. > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > pandit arjun > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Arjunji, anything specific written by Ravan 'ji' that can be > > tested > > > > and confirmed in horoscopes before it can be added to the > > > repertoire > > > > of jyotish wisdom, Arjun ji? > > > > > > > > Like a combination that would never fail etc? > > > > > > > > Isn't that the biggest problem so far in Jyotish? > > > > > > > > Too many possibilities? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " panditarjun2004 " > > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > dear friend > > > > > > > > > > sages like bhrigu, garga and even ravan wrote older ancient > > > > samhitas > > > > > where macro level astrology was discussed. medieval > > astrologers > > > > and > > > > > sages compiled more comprehensive micro level astrology > subject. > > > > > > > > > > the bhgrigu nadi which supposedly contain leaves of all > humans > > > > which > > > > > read their past, present and future is different to bhrigu > > > samhita. > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > > > > > , " Raja " <desi.raja@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > One question bothers me... I see everyone talking about > > > parashara > > > > of > > > > > > brihad Parashara, brihad jataka - varahmihir, kalyan varma, > > > > saravali > > > > > > etc etc all kind of names associated to Jyitisha however i > do > > > not > > > > see > > > > > > or hear Maharshi Bhrigu that much even though he was the > > > > rachayeta of > > > > > > Jyotishshastra. Isn't bhrigu samhita the ultimate source of > > > > jyotish? > > > > > > > > > > > > Please discuss in detail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 RRji, True, i am just a young pup comparing to all you learned and vocal ones. I just want to digest as i am suffering from asrological constipation from finding on own and concept of self learning and leraning from many sources. So this charcha is like taking trifala churna of astro experience. Anyhow, my involvement would be not as much starting 2mo as i am off the vacation hence no more charchas or long threads. Catching a fish could be taken to different and wrong means by others so i am not sure i understood that statement clearly. To me fish mean the knowledge of jyotish only. Raja , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan wrote: > > Raja, > > You want company or do you want to accomplish? :-) > > Fishing, just like astrological charcha is an activity but one must > be very clear what they want out of it! > > You sound younger than some of us vocal ones, so I am presuming that > you want to catch fish (matsya awataar) and if that is the case you > are wasting time here! > > RR > > , " Raja " <desi.raja@> wrote: > > > > RRji, > > > > hmmm.. you are right but there is no joy in fishing alone..... > > fishing with family and friends is the best way to catch more > fishes > > and enjoy..... you are right thought I must control my mind... > > > > Raja > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Raja, > > > > > > If that was indeed the case, as you put it, in few thousands of > > years > > > that we all believe Jyotish has existed or been " revealed " to > > mankind, > > > that has only *recently* degenerated, hopefully, you would not be > > > posting your question to this erudite board! > > > > > > The more questions you ask, of this nature, even if hopefully > > > sincerely, the more you shall continue to ask. > > > > > > Have you ever tried the crazy alternative of finding the answer > as > > > opposed to casting the question and then waiting? > > > > > > The *analogy* I am sure would not be lost on you! The best way to > > fish > > > is to do it alone for fish come to you when it is quiet! > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > , " Raja " <desi.raja@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > One question bothers me... I see everyone talking about > parashara > > of > > > > brihad Parashara, brihad jataka - varahmihir, kalyan varma, > > saravali > > > > etc etc all kind of names associated to Jyitisha however i do > not > > see > > > > or hear Maharshi Bhrigu that much even though he was the > > rachayeta of > > > > Jyotishshastra. Isn't bhrigu samhita the ultimate source of > > jyotish? > > > > > > > > Please discuss in detail. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 Forum discussions tend to confuse beginners (if that is what indeed you are) because a lot of jyotish is subject to interpretation and as they say munday munday mati bhinna. PVR Narasimha Rao has written a very nice posting addressing that very aspect of jyotish recently probably on JG or VA sites. This perplexes those who have this need to see jyotish as black and white but in reality it perhaps has a lot of gray. For instance people insist that amuk planet in tamuk sign or rashi will ONLY produce a certain effect. When actually tested this does not turn out to be the case for a variety of reasons in particular -- that other influences also operate. Hence it is best to view a chart or a certain factor not as a single binary sort of situation but as a collection of influences and then view the expression of the confluence of those factors through a correlative process. It is also a good idea to focus on a single chart for a fairly long time and not get into the habit of quickie judgments. I hope I am not coming across as too preachy, just expressing my view- point :-) RR , " Raja " <desi.raja wrote: > > RRji, > > True, i am just a young pup comparing to all you learned and vocal > ones. I just want to digest as i am suffering from asrological > constipation from finding on own and concept of self learning and > leraning from many sources. So this charcha is like taking trifala > churna of astro experience. Anyhow, my involvement would be not as > much starting 2mo as i am off the vacation hence no more charchas or > long threads. > > Catching a fish could be taken to different and wrong means by others > so i am not sure i understood that statement clearly. > > To me fish mean the knowledge of jyotish only. > > Raja > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > Raja, > > > > You want company or do you want to accomplish? :-) > > > > Fishing, just like astrological charcha is an activity but one must > > be very clear what they want out of it! > > > > You sound younger than some of us vocal ones, so I am presuming > that > > you want to catch fish (matsya awataar) and if that is the case you > > are wasting time here! > > > > RR > > > > , " Raja " <desi.raja@> wrote: > > > > > > RRji, > > > > > > hmmm.. you are right but there is no joy in fishing alone..... > > > fishing with family and friends is the best way to catch more > > fishes > > > and enjoy..... you are right thought I must control my mind... > > > > > > Raja > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Raja, > > > > > > > > If that was indeed the case, as you put it, in few thousands of > > > years > > > > that we all believe Jyotish has existed or been " revealed " to > > > mankind, > > > > that has only *recently* degenerated, hopefully, you would not > be > > > > posting your question to this erudite board! > > > > > > > > The more questions you ask, of this nature, even if hopefully > > > > sincerely, the more you shall continue to ask. > > > > > > > > Have you ever tried the crazy alternative of finding the answer > > as > > > > opposed to casting the question and then waiting? > > > > > > > > The *analogy* I am sure would not be lost on you! The best way > to > > > fish > > > > is to do it alone for fish come to you when it is quiet! > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Raja " <desi.raja@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > One question bothers me... I see everyone talking about > > parashara > > > of > > > > > brihad Parashara, brihad jataka - varahmihir, kalyan varma, > > > saravali > > > > > etc etc all kind of names associated to Jyitisha however i do > > not > > > see > > > > > or hear Maharshi Bhrigu that much even though he was the > > > rachayeta of > > > > > Jyotishshastra. Isn't bhrigu samhita the ultimate source of > > > jyotish? > > > > > > > > > > Please discuss in detail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 dear RRji the old adage says history is written by the winners as they like. similarly you are suggesting that geography and mathematics too can be written by the winners. are you saying that if india conquers the world it can make the global timing zero to new delhi and all the world would be plus or minus delhi. similarly if usa conquers the whole world it can force the entire world to have washington as zero and all countries follow plus or minus washington. kindly explain what was the timing followed by indians before british forced this gmt in europe in 1850s and the world few decades ago. also the shifting of clocks manually every year is not uniform but the software follows the same prefixed calculation. to that extent, are all astro softwares accurate? with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy.com , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan wrote: > > Geographical coordinates are not absolute but relative. If Indians > ruled over the world instead of British, the Shunya would have been > closer to New Delhi perhaps. Dates too are relative in a sense > depending on the orientation one wishes to use: solar, lunar, synodic > etc etc. > > That said, I am not aware of Mr. Kaul ji's research to comment on the > soundness of his findings or of the researcher. > > RR > > > , " panditarjun2004 " > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > dear RRji > > > > when ak kaulji was screaming on faulty calandar dates followed by > all > > of us, many called him mad man. i respected his research but > > criticised him for harping on the same issue in astrology groups. > > > > if we find similar faulty data on geographical coordiantes, then > too > > it would be debated and if found true, will be accepted. > > > > in india we follow the vedic dating of festivals like rama NAVAMI, > > krishna ASHTAMI, vijaya DASAMI, ganesh CHATURTHI all on panchanga > > based masa, paksha, tithi etc. > > > > but we also follow english calandar based days like indpendence > day, > > republic day, teachers day, good friday, christmas etc. > > > > it is irony that most hindus who celebrate ram birth day and krisha > > birth day as per panchanga, celebrate their own birthdays only on > > english calandar dates. yes, avtar krishan kaulji is right to an > > extent that most people celebrate their birth days on a wrong day. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > > > Arjunji, > > > > > > The latest sensational news I hear is that some/many/most/nearly > > all > > > of us in jyotish had been using the wrong math and wrong > longitudes > > > etc for a long time! I am sure you may have heard the same too. > > > > > > Hence no point in talking about rules at this time until the > pieces > > > get placed in their proper place on the chess board of Jyotish. > > > > > > RR > > > > > > , " panditarjun2004 " > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > dear RRji > > > > > > > > there are many similarities in the jyotish text of ravan > samhita > > > and > > > > bhrigua samhita and the original ancient jyotish texts > supposedly > > > > written by these sages are lost or only heard. however, the > > tantra > > > > part and the ayurveda part of ravansamhita are unique. > > > > > > > > though no astro principles of any sage give uniform rules on > all > > > > alike, one thing i observed while learning ravanamaya and > > applying > > > > the tantra principles through actual usage. for getting > > knowledge > > > > and capacity to do tantra etc., one must get help from rahu. > to > > > put > > > > otherway, if rahu is strong in a person or is made strong, that > > > > person will be able to learn tantra like casting spells and > > healing > > > > and manevourability skills in modern parlance. one more thing > is > > > > that a strong benefic rahu helps the native win in gambling and > > > > speculation. > > > > > > > > so after studying ravanamaya and ravanatantra, i can safely > > > recommend > > > > to strengthen and get benefits from rahu if they are interested > > in > > > > such benefits. the negative definitions of rahu and ketu as > rank > > > > malefics as observed in earlier yugas and endorsed by me > earlier > > > have > > > > now found different meaning with natives wanting these. > > > > > > > > for example, rahu helps the native to go abroad. this was > > negative > > > > earlier but is positive today. > > > > > > > > by the way, i have seen some ravana yantras used by indonesian > > > > muslims where urdu letters are inscribed in ravan's image. > > > > > > > > studying ravana helps one how to extract the best out of rahu > to > > > get > > > > all mayas and monies. > > > > > > > > in view of the above, you may like to test the following astro > > > > principles in the horoscopes and am sure will find positive > > results: > > > > > > > > 1. rahu helps a native go abroad. > > > > 2. rahu helps a native learn tantra rituals. > > > > 3. rahu helps a native learn healing to cure diseases. > > > > 4. rahu helps a native learn casting spells or maya. > > > > 5. rahu helps a native earn windfall gains in gambling. > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > pandit arjun > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > > > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Arjunji, anything specific written by Ravan 'ji' that can be > > > tested > > > > > and confirmed in horoscopes before it can be added to the > > > > repertoire > > > > > of jyotish wisdom, Arjun ji? > > > > > > > > > > Like a combination that would never fail etc? > > > > > > > > > > Isn't that the biggest problem so far in Jyotish? > > > > > > > > > > Too many possibilities? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " panditarjun2004 " > > > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > dear friend > > > > > > > > > > > > sages like bhrigu, garga and even ravan wrote older ancient > > > > > samhitas > > > > > > where macro level astrology was discussed. medieval > > > astrologers > > > > > and > > > > > > sages compiled more comprehensive micro level astrology > > subject. > > > > > > > > > > > > the bhgrigu nadi which supposedly contain leaves of all > > humans > > > > > which > > > > > > read their past, present and future is different to bhrigu > > > > samhita. > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Raja " > <desi.raja@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One question bothers me... I see everyone talking about > > > > parashara > > > > > of > > > > > > > brihad Parashara, brihad jataka - varahmihir, kalyan > varma, > > > > > saravali > > > > > > > etc etc all kind of names associated to Jyitisha however > i > > do > > > > not > > > > > see > > > > > > > or hear Maharshi Bhrigu that much even though he was the > > > > > rachayeta of > > > > > > > Jyotishshastra. Isn't bhrigu samhita the ultimate source > of > > > > > jyotish? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please discuss in detail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 Birthdates of divinee incarnations are not to be compared with birthdates of lesser mortals. Ram-navami or Krishnaashtami are religious events, and religious events are celebrated according to tithi. Varshpravesh of a native is decided according to the moment when solar longitude of a particular year attaining birthtime longitude. Hence, if birthdate is celebrated according to solar calendar, it is perfectly in tune with canonical view of varsh-pravesh (entry into a new year). The only moot point is that the Gregorian calendar does not always matches with exact solar longitudes, and may err by a day. -VJ , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan wrote: > > Geographical coordinates are not absolute but relative. If Indians > ruled over the world instead of British, the Shunya would have been > closer to New Delhi perhaps. Dates too are relative in a sense > depending on the orientation one wishes to use: solar, lunar, synodic > etc etc. > > That said, I am not aware of Mr. Kaul ji's research to comment on the > soundness of his findings or of the researcher. > > RR > > > , " panditarjun2004 " > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > dear RRji > > > > when ak kaulji was screaming on faulty calandar dates followed by > all > > of us, many called him mad man. i respected his research but > > criticised him for harping on the same issue in astrology groups. > > > > if we find similar faulty data on geographical coordiantes, then > too > > it would be debated and if found true, will be accepted. > > > > in india we follow the vedic dating of festivals like rama NAVAMI, > > krishna ASHTAMI, vijaya DASAMI, ganesh CHATURTHI all on panchanga > > based masa, paksha, tithi etc. > > > > but we also follow english calandar based days like indpendence > day, > > republic day, teachers day, good friday, christmas etc. > > > > it is irony that most hindus who celebrate ram birth day and krisha > > birth day as per panchanga, celebrate their own birthdays only on > > english calandar dates. yes, avtar krishan kaulji is right to an > > extent that most people celebrate their birth days on a wrong day. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > > > Arjunji, > > > > > > The latest sensational news I hear is that some/many/most/nearly > > all > > > of us in jyotish had been using the wrong math and wrong > longitudes > > > etc for a long time! I am sure you may have heard the same too. > > > > > > Hence no point in talking about rules at this time until the > pieces > > > get placed in their proper place on the chess board of Jyotish. > > > > > > RR > > > > > > , " panditarjun2004 " > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > dear RRji > > > > > > > > there are many similarities in the jyotish text of ravan > samhita > > > and > > > > bhrigua samhita and the original ancient jyotish texts > supposedly > > > > written by these sages are lost or only heard. however, the > > tantra > > > > part and the ayurveda part of ravansamhita are unique. > > > > > > > > though no astro principles of any sage give uniform rules on > all > > > > alike, one thing i observed while learning ravanamaya and > > applying > > > > the tantra principles through actual usage. for getting > > knowledge > > > > and capacity to do tantra etc., one must get help from rahu. > to > > > put > > > > otherway, if rahu is strong in a person or is made strong, that > > > > person will be able to learn tantra like casting spells and > > healing > > > > and manevourability skills in modern parlance. one more thing > is > > > > that a strong benefic rahu helps the native win in gambling and > > > > speculation. > > > > > > > > so after studying ravanamaya and ravanatantra, i can safely > > > recommend > > > > to strengthen and get benefits from rahu if they are interested > > in > > > > such benefits. the negative definitions of rahu and ketu as > rank > > > > malefics as observed in earlier yugas and endorsed by me > earlier > > > have > > > > now found different meaning with natives wanting these. > > > > > > > > for example, rahu helps the native to go abroad. this was > > negative > > > > earlier but is positive today. > > > > > > > > by the way, i have seen some ravana yantras used by indonesian > > > > muslims where urdu letters are inscribed in ravan's image. > > > > > > > > studying ravana helps one how to extract the best out of rahu > to > > > get > > > > all mayas and monies. > > > > > > > > in view of the above, you may like to test the following astro > > > > principles in the horoscopes and am sure will find positive > > results: > > > > > > > > 1. rahu helps a native go abroad. > > > > 2. rahu helps a native learn tantra rituals. > > > > 3. rahu helps a native learn healing to cure diseases. > > > > 4. rahu helps a native learn casting spells or maya. > > > > 5. rahu helps a native earn windfall gains in gambling. > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > pandit arjun > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > > > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Arjunji, anything specific written by Ravan 'ji' that can be > > > tested > > > > > and confirmed in horoscopes before it can be added to the > > > > repertoire > > > > > of jyotish wisdom, Arjun ji? > > > > > > > > > > Like a combination that would never fail etc? > > > > > > > > > > Isn't that the biggest problem so far in Jyotish? > > > > > > > > > > Too many possibilities? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " panditarjun2004 " > > > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > dear friend > > > > > > > > > > > > sages like bhrigu, garga and even ravan wrote older ancient > > > > > samhitas > > > > > > where macro level astrology was discussed. medieval > > > astrologers > > > > > and > > > > > > sages compiled more comprehensive micro level astrology > > subject. > > > > > > > > > > > > the bhgrigu nadi which supposedly contain leaves of all > > humans > > > > > which > > > > > > read their past, present and future is different to bhrigu > > > > samhita. > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Raja " > <desi.raja@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One question bothers me... I see everyone talking about > > > > parashara > > > > > of > > > > > > > brihad Parashara, brihad jataka - varahmihir, kalyan > varma, > > > > > saravali > > > > > > > etc etc all kind of names associated to Jyitisha however > i > > do > > > > not > > > > > see > > > > > > > or hear Maharshi Bhrigu that much even though he was the > > > > > rachayeta of > > > > > > > Jyotishshastra. Isn't bhrigu samhita the ultimate source > of > > > > > jyotish? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please discuss in detail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 Greenwich is not the center of even England, but it is being used as the reference point for not only terrestrial but also celestial events. This practice has no connection with geography, astronomy or astrology. Local time was used in India, as in the rest of the world, before a global GMT was invented to administer a global empire. London was the capital of colonies in all continents, and records had to be maintained in a single time system. That is why GMT was imposed elsewhere, and later local time of other nations were referenced wrt GMY. But India had time honoured practices in this regard, which are now being discarded in favour of Greenwich. For astrology, true solar time is needed, which is sun dial's time. GMT or IST are mean times, based on an imaginary mean Sun which exists nowhere, but is merely a hypothetical concept to facilitate the task of administrators by making all hours and all days equal. In true solar time, winter has shorter days, for instance. This mean time makes many tasks easy. But when you have to encounter as a reality, as in casting a native's horoscope or viewing an eclipse, you need real time and not mean time. Hence, it wrong to assume that the ancient Indians were wrong in using true time. Ancient India had another set of time as well, measured from Ujjain. All panchangas were based upon tables referenced to Ujjain which was believed to be the starting point of planetary movements when Creation began nearly two billion years ago. It was not an administrative concept, but an astrological-cum-astronomical one according to prevalent theories. World's horoscope was made from Mt Meru, which was believed to be centre of all universes. Britishers renamed it as Mt Kenya and preached us that Mt Meru was a mythical thing, although some Indians tried to search it near Mt Kailash or Pamirs. Britishers forgot to rename the town named Meru at the foot of Mt Kenya. This mountain is the highest mountain in Africa among all those which lie at the equator. World's horoscope was made from Mt Meru. If Indians, not brown sahebs, regain power, they will impose Meru Time and not Delhi Time upon the world. Cf. http://www.mysticboard.com/viewtopic.php?t=58522 and http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/World+Economy+%3A+Apr+2009-Mar+2010 -VJ ------- ----- , " panditarjun2004 " <panditarjun2004 wrote: > > dear RRji > > the old adage says history is written by the winners as they like. > similarly you are suggesting that geography and mathematics too can > be written by the winners. are you saying that if india conquers the > world it can make the global timing zero to new delhi and all the > world would be plus or minus delhi. similarly if usa conquers the > whole world it can force the entire world to have washington as zero > and all countries follow plus or minus washington. > > kindly explain what was the timing followed by indians before british > forced this gmt in europe in 1850s and the world few decades ago. > > also the shifting of clocks manually every year is not uniform but > the software follows the same prefixed calculation. to that extent, > are all astro softwares accurate? > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > , " Rohiniranjan " > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > Geographical coordinates are not absolute but relative. If Indians > > ruled over the world instead of British, the Shunya would have been > > closer to New Delhi perhaps. Dates too are relative in a sense > > depending on the orientation one wishes to use: solar, lunar, > synodic > > etc etc. > > > > That said, I am not aware of Mr. Kaul ji's research to comment on > the > > soundness of his findings or of the researcher. > > > > RR > > > > > > , " panditarjun2004 " > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > dear RRji > > > > > > when ak kaulji was screaming on faulty calandar dates followed by > > all > > > of us, many called him mad man. i respected his research but > > > criticised him for harping on the same issue in astrology groups. > > > > > > if we find similar faulty data on geographical coordiantes, then > > too > > > it would be debated and if found true, will be accepted. > > > > > > in india we follow the vedic dating of festivals like rama > NAVAMI, > > > krishna ASHTAMI, vijaya DASAMI, ganesh CHATURTHI all on panchanga > > > based masa, paksha, tithi etc. > > > > > > but we also follow english calandar based days like indpendence > > day, > > > republic day, teachers day, good friday, christmas etc. > > > > > > it is irony that most hindus who celebrate ram birth day and > krisha > > > birth day as per panchanga, celebrate their own birthdays only on > > > english calandar dates. yes, avtar krishan kaulji is right to an > > > extent that most people celebrate their birth days on a wrong day. > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > pandit arjun > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Arjunji, > > > > > > > > The latest sensational news I hear is that > some/many/most/nearly > > > all > > > > of us in jyotish had been using the wrong math and wrong > > longitudes > > > > etc for a long time! I am sure you may have heard the same too. > > > > > > > > Hence no point in talking about rules at this time until the > > pieces > > > > get placed in their proper place on the chess board of Jyotish. > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > , " panditarjun2004 " > > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > dear RRji > > > > > > > > > > there are many similarities in the jyotish text of ravan > > samhita > > > > and > > > > > bhrigua samhita and the original ancient jyotish texts > > supposedly > > > > > written by these sages are lost or only heard. however, the > > > tantra > > > > > part and the ayurveda part of ravansamhita are unique. > > > > > > > > > > though no astro principles of any sage give uniform rules on > > all > > > > > alike, one thing i observed while learning ravanamaya and > > > applying > > > > > the tantra principles through actual usage. for getting > > > knowledge > > > > > and capacity to do tantra etc., one must get help from rahu. > > to > > > > put > > > > > otherway, if rahu is strong in a person or is made strong, > that > > > > > person will be able to learn tantra like casting spells and > > > healing > > > > > and manevourability skills in modern parlance. one more > thing > > is > > > > > that a strong benefic rahu helps the native win in gambling > and > > > > > speculation. > > > > > > > > > > so after studying ravanamaya and ravanatantra, i can safely > > > > recommend > > > > > to strengthen and get benefits from rahu if they are > interested > > > in > > > > > such benefits. the negative definitions of rahu and ketu as > > rank > > > > > malefics as observed in earlier yugas and endorsed by me > > earlier > > > > have > > > > > now found different meaning with natives wanting these. > > > > > > > > > > for example, rahu helps the native to go abroad. this was > > > negative > > > > > earlier but is positive today. > > > > > > > > > > by the way, i have seen some ravana yantras used by > indonesian > > > > > muslims where urdu letters are inscribed in ravan's image. > > > > > > > > > > studying ravana helps one how to extract the best out of rahu > > to > > > > get > > > > > all mayas and monies. > > > > > > > > > > in view of the above, you may like to test the following > astro > > > > > principles in the horoscopes and am sure will find positive > > > results: > > > > > > > > > > 1. rahu helps a native go abroad. > > > > > 2. rahu helps a native learn tantra rituals. > > > > > 3. rahu helps a native learn healing to cure diseases. > > > > > 4. rahu helps a native learn casting spells or maya. > > > > > 5. rahu helps a native earn windfall gains in gambling. > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > > > > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Arjunji, anything specific written by Ravan 'ji' that can > be > > > > tested > > > > > > and confirmed in horoscopes before it can be added to the > > > > > repertoire > > > > > > of jyotish wisdom, Arjun ji? > > > > > > > > > > > > Like a combination that would never fail etc? > > > > > > > > > > > > Isn't that the biggest problem so far in Jyotish? > > > > > > > > > > > > Too many possibilities? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " panditarjun2004 " > > > > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear friend > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sages like bhrigu, garga and even ravan wrote older > ancient > > > > > > samhitas > > > > > > > where macro level astrology was discussed. medieval > > > > astrologers > > > > > > and > > > > > > > sages compiled more comprehensive micro level astrology > > > subject. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the bhgrigu nadi which supposedly contain leaves of all > > > humans > > > > > > which > > > > > > > read their past, present and future is different to > bhrigu > > > > > samhita. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Raja " > > <desi.raja@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One question bothers me... I see everyone talking about > > > > > parashara > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > brihad Parashara, brihad jataka - varahmihir, kalyan > > varma, > > > > > > saravali > > > > > > > > etc etc all kind of names associated to Jyitisha > however > > i > > > do > > > > > not > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > or hear Maharshi Bhrigu that much even though he was > the > > > > > > rachayeta of > > > > > > > > Jyotishshastra. Isn't bhrigu samhita the ultimate > source > > of > > > > > > jyotish? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please discuss in detail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 dear friend indians celebrate their own new years like a telugu new year, tamil new year, bengali new year etc. and their new year is celebrated on those dates and not on 1st jan. similarly all festivals of vijaya DASAMI and naraka CHATURDASI and all festivals are celebrated only on panchanga tithi basis and not on english calendar dates. similarly in south india, most people used to celebrate their birthdays as per tithi earlier but due to westeran culture, started celebrating on english dates. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy.com , " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > Birthdates of divinee incarnations are not to be compared with > birthdates of lesser mortals. Ram-navami or Krishnaashtami are > religious events, and religious events are celebrated according to tithi. > Varshpravesh of a native is decided according to the moment when solar > longitude of a particular year attaining birthtime longitude. Hence, > if birthdate is celebrated according to solar calendar, it is > perfectly in tune with canonical view of varsh-pravesh (entry into a > new year). The only moot point is that the Gregorian calendar does not > always matches with exact solar longitudes, and may err by a day. > > -VJ > > , " Rohiniranjan " > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > Geographical coordinates are not absolute but relative. If Indians > > ruled over the world instead of British, the Shunya would have been > > closer to New Delhi perhaps. Dates too are relative in a sense > > depending on the orientation one wishes to use: solar, lunar, synodic > > etc etc. > > > > That said, I am not aware of Mr. Kaul ji's research to comment on the > > soundness of his findings or of the researcher. > > > > RR > > > > > > , " panditarjun2004 " > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > dear RRji > > > > > > when ak kaulji was screaming on faulty calandar dates followed by > > all > > > of us, many called him mad man. i respected his research but > > > criticised him for harping on the same issue in astrology groups. > > > > > > if we find similar faulty data on geographical coordiantes, then > > too > > > it would be debated and if found true, will be accepted. > > > > > > in india we follow the vedic dating of festivals like rama NAVAMI, > > > krishna ASHTAMI, vijaya DASAMI, ganesh CHATURTHI all on panchanga > > > based masa, paksha, tithi etc. > > > > > > but we also follow english calandar based days like indpendence > > day, > > > republic day, teachers day, good friday, christmas etc. > > > > > > it is irony that most hindus who celebrate ram birth day and krisha > > > birth day as per panchanga, celebrate their own birthdays only on > > > english calandar dates. yes, avtar krishan kaulji is right to an > > > extent that most people celebrate their birth days on a wrong day. > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > pandit arjun > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Arjunji, > > > > > > > > The latest sensational news I hear is that some/many/most/nearly > > > all > > > > of us in jyotish had been using the wrong math and wrong > > longitudes > > > > etc for a long time! I am sure you may have heard the same too. > > > > > > > > Hence no point in talking about rules at this time until the > > pieces > > > > get placed in their proper place on the chess board of Jyotish. > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > , " panditarjun2004 " > > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > dear RRji > > > > > > > > > > there are many similarities in the jyotish text of ravan > > samhita > > > > and > > > > > bhrigua samhita and the original ancient jyotish texts > > supposedly > > > > > written by these sages are lost or only heard. however, the > > > tantra > > > > > part and the ayurveda part of ravansamhita are unique. > > > > > > > > > > though no astro principles of any sage give uniform rules on > > all > > > > > alike, one thing i observed while learning ravanamaya and > > > applying > > > > > the tantra principles through actual usage. for getting > > > knowledge > > > > > and capacity to do tantra etc., one must get help from rahu. > > to > > > > put > > > > > otherway, if rahu is strong in a person or is made strong, that > > > > > person will be able to learn tantra like casting spells and > > > healing > > > > > and manevourability skills in modern parlance. one more thing > > is > > > > > that a strong benefic rahu helps the native win in gambling and > > > > > speculation. > > > > > > > > > > so after studying ravanamaya and ravanatantra, i can safely > > > > recommend > > > > > to strengthen and get benefits from rahu if they are interested > > > in > > > > > such benefits. the negative definitions of rahu and ketu as > > rank > > > > > malefics as observed in earlier yugas and endorsed by me > > earlier > > > > have > > > > > now found different meaning with natives wanting these. > > > > > > > > > > for example, rahu helps the native to go abroad. this was > > > negative > > > > > earlier but is positive today. > > > > > > > > > > by the way, i have seen some ravana yantras used by indonesian > > > > > muslims where urdu letters are inscribed in ravan's image. > > > > > > > > > > studying ravana helps one how to extract the best out of rahu > > to > > > > get > > > > > all mayas and monies. > > > > > > > > > > in view of the above, you may like to test the following astro > > > > > principles in the horoscopes and am sure will find positive > > > results: > > > > > > > > > > 1. rahu helps a native go abroad. > > > > > 2. rahu helps a native learn tantra rituals. > > > > > 3. rahu helps a native learn healing to cure diseases. > > > > > 4. rahu helps a native learn casting spells or maya. > > > > > 5. rahu helps a native earn windfall gains in gambling. > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > > > > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Arjunji, anything specific written by Ravan 'ji' that can be > > > > tested > > > > > > and confirmed in horoscopes before it can be added to the > > > > > repertoire > > > > > > of jyotish wisdom, Arjun ji? > > > > > > > > > > > > Like a combination that would never fail etc? > > > > > > > > > > > > Isn't that the biggest problem so far in Jyotish? > > > > > > > > > > > > Too many possibilities? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , " panditarjun2004 " > > > > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear friend > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sages like bhrigu, garga and even ravan wrote older ancient > > > > > > samhitas > > > > > > > where macro level astrology was discussed. medieval > > > > astrologers > > > > > > and > > > > > > > sages compiled more comprehensive micro level astrology > > > subject. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the bhgrigu nadi which supposedly contain leaves of all > > > humans > > > > > > which > > > > > > > read their past, present and future is different to bhrigu > > > > > samhita. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Raja " > > <desi.raja@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One question bothers me... I see everyone talking about > > > > > parashara > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > brihad Parashara, brihad jataka - varahmihir, kalyan > > varma, > > > > > > saravali > > > > > > > > etc etc all kind of names associated to Jyitisha however > > i > > > do > > > > > not > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > or hear Maharshi Bhrigu that much even though he was the > > > > > > rachayeta of > > > > > > > > Jyotishshastra. Isn't bhrigu samhita the ultimate source > > of > > > > > > jyotish? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please discuss in detail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 dear vinayji can you please advise whther the mythical mount meru referred in all ancient scriptures is different from the mount meru in africa you are referring. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy.com , " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > Greenwich is not the center of even England, but it is being used as > the reference point for not only terrestrial but also celestial > events. This practice has no connection with geography, astronomy or > astrology. > Local time was used in India, as in the rest of the world, before a > global GMT was invented to administer a global empire. London was the > capital of colonies in all continents, and records had to be > maintained in a single time system. That is why GMT was imposed > elsewhere, and later local time of other nations were referenced wrt GMY. > But India had time honoured practices in this regard, which are now > being discarded in favour of Greenwich. For astrology, true solar time > is needed, which is sun dial's time. GMT or IST are mean times, based > on an imaginary mean Sun which exists nowhere, but is merely a > hypothetical concept to facilitate the task of administrators by > making all hours and all days equal. In true solar time, winter has > shorter days, for instance. This mean time makes many tasks easy. But > when you have to encounter as a reality, as in casting a native's > horoscope or viewing an eclipse, you need real time and not mean time. > Hence, it wrong to assume that the ancient Indians were wrong in using > true time. > Ancient India had another set of time as well, measured from Ujjain. > All panchangas were based upon tables referenced to Ujjain which was > believed to be the starting point of planetary movements when Creation > began nearly two billion years ago. It was not an administrative > concept, but an astrological-cum-astronomical one according to > prevalent theories. > World's horoscope was made from Mt Meru, which was believed to be > centre of all universes. Britishers renamed it as Mt Kenya and > preached us that Mt Meru was a mythical thing, although some > Indians tried to search it near Mt Kailash or Pamirs. Britishers > forgot to rename the town named Meru at the foot of Mt Kenya. This > mountain is the highest mountain in Africa among all those which lie > at the equator. World's horoscope was made from Mt Meru. > > If Indians, not brown sahebs, regain power, they will impose Meru Time and not Delhi Time upon the world. Cf. > http://www.mysticboard.com/viewtopic.php?t=58522 and > http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/World+Economy+%3A+Apr+2009- Mar+2010 > > -VJ > ------- ----- > > > , " panditarjun2004 " > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > dear RRji > > > > the old adage says history is written by the winners as they like. > > similarly you are suggesting that geography and mathematics too can > > be written by the winners. are you saying that if india conquers the > > world it can make the global timing zero to new delhi and all the > > world would be plus or minus delhi. similarly if usa conquers the > > whole world it can force the entire world to have washington as zero > > and all countries follow plus or minus washington. > > > > kindly explain what was the timing followed by indians before british > > forced this gmt in europe in 1850s and the world few decades ago. > > > > also the shifting of clocks manually every year is not uniform but > > the software follows the same prefixed calculation. to that extent, > > are all astro softwares accurate? > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > > > Geographical coordinates are not absolute but relative. If Indians > > > ruled over the world instead of British, the Shunya would have been > > > closer to New Delhi perhaps. Dates too are relative in a sense > > > depending on the orientation one wishes to use: solar, lunar, > > synodic > > > etc etc. > > > > > > That said, I am not aware of Mr. Kaul ji's research to comment on > > the > > > soundness of his findings or of the researcher. > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > , " panditarjun2004 " > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > dear RRji > > > > > > > > when ak kaulji was screaming on faulty calandar dates followed by > > > all > > > > of us, many called him mad man. i respected his research but > > > > criticised him for harping on the same issue in astrology groups. > > > > > > > > if we find similar faulty data on geographical coordiantes, then > > > too > > > > it would be debated and if found true, will be accepted. > > > > > > > > in india we follow the vedic dating of festivals like rama > > NAVAMI, > > > > krishna ASHTAMI, vijaya DASAMI, ganesh CHATURTHI all on panchanga > > > > based masa, paksha, tithi etc. > > > > > > > > but we also follow english calandar based days like indpendence > > > day, > > > > republic day, teachers day, good friday, christmas etc. > > > > > > > > it is irony that most hindus who celebrate ram birth day and > > krisha > > > > birth day as per panchanga, celebrate their own birthdays only on > > > > english calandar dates. yes, avtar krishan kaulji is right to an > > > > extent that most people celebrate their birth days on a wrong day. > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > pandit arjun > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > > > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Arjunji, > > > > > > > > > > The latest sensational news I hear is that > > some/many/most/nearly > > > > all > > > > > of us in jyotish had been using the wrong math and wrong > > > longitudes > > > > > etc for a long time! I am sure you may have heard the same too. > > > > > > > > > > Hence no point in talking about rules at this time until the > > > pieces > > > > > get placed in their proper place on the chess board of Jyotish. > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > , " panditarjun2004 " > > > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > dear RRji > > > > > > > > > > > > there are many similarities in the jyotish text of ravan > > > samhita > > > > > and > > > > > > bhrigua samhita and the original ancient jyotish texts > > > supposedly > > > > > > written by these sages are lost or only heard. however, the > > > > tantra > > > > > > part and the ayurveda part of ravansamhita are unique. > > > > > > > > > > > > though no astro principles of any sage give uniform rules on > > > all > > > > > > alike, one thing i observed while learning ravanamaya and > > > > applying > > > > > > the tantra principles through actual usage. for getting > > > > knowledge > > > > > > and capacity to do tantra etc., one must get help from rahu. > > > to > > > > > put > > > > > > otherway, if rahu is strong in a person or is made strong, > > that > > > > > > person will be able to learn tantra like casting spells and > > > > healing > > > > > > and manevourability skills in modern parlance. one more > > thing > > > is > > > > > > that a strong benefic rahu helps the native win in gambling > > and > > > > > > speculation. > > > > > > > > > > > > so after studying ravanamaya and ravanatantra, i can safely > > > > > recommend > > > > > > to strengthen and get benefits from rahu if they are > > interested > > > > in > > > > > > such benefits. the negative definitions of rahu and ketu as > > > rank > > > > > > malefics as observed in earlier yugas and endorsed by me > > > earlier > > > > > have > > > > > > now found different meaning with natives wanting these. > > > > > > > > > > > > for example, rahu helps the native to go abroad. this was > > > > negative > > > > > > earlier but is positive today. > > > > > > > > > > > > by the way, i have seen some ravana yantras used by > > indonesian > > > > > > muslims where urdu letters are inscribed in ravan's image. > > > > > > > > > > > > studying ravana helps one how to extract the best out of rahu > > > to > > > > > get > > > > > > all mayas and monies. > > > > > > > > > > > > in view of the above, you may like to test the following > > astro > > > > > > principles in the horoscopes and am sure will find positive > > > > results: > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. rahu helps a native go abroad. > > > > > > 2. rahu helps a native learn tantra rituals. > > > > > > 3. rahu helps a native learn healing to cure diseases. > > > > > > 4. rahu helps a native learn casting spells or maya. > > > > > > 5. rahu helps a native earn windfall gains in gambling. > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > > > > > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Arjunji, anything specific written by Ravan 'ji' that can > > be > > > > > tested > > > > > > > and confirmed in horoscopes before it can be added to the > > > > > > repertoire > > > > > > > of jyotish wisdom, Arjun ji? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Like a combination that would never fail etc? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Isn't that the biggest problem so far in Jyotish? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Too many possibilities? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , " panditarjun2004 " > > > > > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear friend > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sages like bhrigu, garga and even ravan wrote older > > ancient > > > > > > > samhitas > > > > > > > > where macro level astrology was discussed. medieval > > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > sages compiled more comprehensive micro level astrology > > > > subject. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the bhgrigu nadi which supposedly contain leaves of all > > > > humans > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > read their past, present and future is different to > > bhrigu > > > > > > samhita. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Raja " > > > <desi.raja@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One question bothers me... I see everyone talking about > > > > > > parashara > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > brihad Parashara, brihad jataka - varahmihir, kalyan > > > varma, > > > > > > > saravali > > > > > > > > > etc etc all kind of names associated to Jyitisha > > however > > > i > > > > do > > > > > > not > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > or hear Maharshi Bhrigu that much even though he was > > the > > > > > > > rachayeta of > > > > > > > > > Jyotishshastra. Isn't bhrigu samhita the ultimate > > source > > > of > > > > > > > jyotish? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please discuss in detail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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