Guest guest Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 Yes dear Prashantji, as i have already posted in my privious posts few months back : if one want to achive his target their are only 2 ways. 1. first is Tapa or Sadhna in which 100% proces + Knowledge + Focus + System + Method Required and it is based on Mantra - doer will get 100% sure Results as wanted, no value of Faith here. becoz here system is working. 2. Second path is Bhakti: nothing is required, only unconditional love and 100% devotion, Blind faith, Required, and the Person must be able to give desired things to others. the diffrence is on first way you get what you want, BUT on second path you get all withoust asking, even more then that, as well as you also able to give desired things to Others. you got powers of almighty. Choice is ours, First way is Easy for those who have strong will power, and fire to achive their worldly things. Second Path is not easy - not at all............it needs lot of things which we can do but do not want to do. the problem is our knowledge here, our own mind, our thoughts, our selfishness, we do not want to see almighty in all. simple thing : when you cant love by heart n soul to those whom you can see and you live with. Then how can you Love to whom , which you never seen. if you are able to love all by heart, then only you can clear Prep or KG of Bhakti Marga. Rest ALL is MAYA. OM GYANINAMAPI CHETANSI DEVI BHAGVATI HI SA BALADAKRASHYA MOHAY MAHAMAYA PRAYACHATI. regards Niket , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: > > Dear Nikit, Raja > > well all the points covered here can be split into a few parts > > just like a good analysis, diagnosis and treatment has its own desired results > > so too a Mantra invokation, recitation will help in much better way if it coming from a elderly person a GURU, or one of tohe two parents done in the prescribed manner. > > Bhakti has its own dimension where it is unqualified devotion, irrespective of the challenges ones faith is steadfast and unwavering, the toad is rough but the DESTINATION is a beautiful one if we See Dhruva, Markendaya, Prahalada, Hanuman, Annamacharya , Tyagaraja, Kabir, Tulsidas, Basaeshwara, Gnaneshwara, Sant Govind singh, Sri ramakrishna, Swami Vivekananda, Chaitanya prabhu, ramana Mahirishi and a the list is endless.. there is merit in every case. > > Best wishes > > prashant > > > > > ________________________________ > astroiniket <nakshtraniket > > Thursday, January 1, 2009 2:32:47 PM > Re: swaha - why i am not agree > > > dear friends do not include Bhakti in my saying. excluding that : > > as you are taking med, you have faith in med or not - no matter - if > med is strong - and rightly prescribed - and diagnosed - you must see > or feel effect of med. > > same Mantras : if you follow Perfect process, you have faith or not - > no matter - your - (Selection of Mantra + process of Mantra + > Materiel + strong will+ focus on target) must give you desired result. > > I am agree one must need a guru to understand and perform all this. > > BUT > > up to a certain level - horoscope - Grah (planets) - nakshtras - > knowledge - mantras - yantras - tantra is identified but their is one > more level beyond this level " Where all these things does not have > any value - that is Bhakti. " > > in Bhakti nothing is required - Only unconditional love - rest is > Headache of almighty and belief me you never feel any need to ask any > thing. all will be taken care. and you will get all without doing any > thing. > > as shree Hanuman Got ashirwad from Maa " Ajar, Amar, Gun Nidhi, Sut > tum Hoyu " ( o my sun you will be sea of all Gunas, Siddhis, Nidhis, > all type of wealth, you will be immortal, you never be old, you will > be beyond time and it's control and effects) and see Lord hanuman is > able to give any thing. a lot of can be said. but all these things > can be written in words. > > rgds > Niket > > , " Raja " <desi.raja@ ..> wrote: > > > > I stand corrected. Case studies i assume can be as emipirical proof > > as any scientific verification. I was just attempting to balance > the > > arguments. > > > > , " astroiniket " > > <nakshtraniket@ > wrote: > > > > > > dear Raja, > > > in what context you are asking to prove ? what you want to > verify ? > > > pls clear dot points. > > > > > > rgds > > > Niker > > > , " Raja " <desi.raja@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > see , what you two have been discussing is theoritical science > > and > > > in > > > > no way it can empirically be verified hence there is no way for > > > > proving who is right and who is not. Different mind has > diffrent > > > > theories and it very well may lead to a single ultimate > > destination > > > > but how do we verify as no such method exist to verify. > > > > > > > > fascinating. I am glad that i joined this group. > > > > > > > > , " jk.dasgupta " > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I fully agree with you :-) > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > []On Behalf Of > > astroiniket > > > > > Thursday, January 01, 2009 12:28 PM > > > > > > > > > > Re: swaha - why i am not agree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my dear friend - some time knowledge is door of Haven, and > > some > > > > time > > > > > it is door of Hell. Depends. > > > > > > > > > > as almighty is concern - no knowledge is required. as world > is > > > > > concern a lot of knowledge is also very very less. > > > > > > > > > > kind regards > > > > > Niket > > > > > > > > > > , " jk.dasgupta " > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I think Parashara and Neelakantha knows better than us. > > > > > > > > > > > > What you are telling is perfectly alright - when doing > puja > > > > without > > > > > any > > > > > > vasana and just for spiritual progress. But when material > > > > progress > > > > > is > > > > > > required, rules are different. > > > > > > > > > > > > In your other mail you have mentioned that you have all > the > > > > books. > > > > > Then you > > > > > > must be knowing more than me. I do not have those books, > > nor > > > I > > > > know > > > > > > Sanskrit. I only follow my Guru's words. > > > > > > > > > > > > What you have mentioned about Dr. Srimali is your > personal > > > > openion. > > > > > I do not > > > > > > agree with it. I know him personally and got benefits. > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I also do not follow the ideas of his family > > > members > > > > > holding the > > > > > > reign. It is also my personal openion. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > []On Behalf Of > > > > astroiniket > > > > > > Thursday, January 01, 2009 12:02 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: swaha - why i am not agree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. " When you add OM, all doshas of the mantra is removed. " > > > > > > sir prefixing of Om cant remove any dosha of any mantra > > there > > > > are > > > > > 32 > > > > > > dosha in mantra - which only can be removed by doing > perfect > > > > > vidhana. > > > > > > may see shloka in rgveda " asya mantrani karkam devhelnat " . > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. None of diety (form of almighty) is not bound only with > > > > > planets. > > > > > > as lord Hanuman was born on Tuesday so people consider > him > > > lord > > > > of > > > > > > Mars, and few people consider Lord Kartikey also lord of > > > Mars. > > > > in > > > > > > actual it is nothing to do with Mars. Mars consider as > > > > Bhumiputra > > > > > is > > > > > > govern by self. Mars is self demi diety. see refrence in > > > > > > samveda " nanvatenya angaraka bhumiputro shivasya > > saranchanam, > > > > tsya > > > > > > alokya...... may read full in original " . > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. All mantras have their own nature, yes agni Beez > mantra > > > cant > > > > be > > > > > > used with Jala Beez Mantra, but it can be used when Prana > > > > > pratishtha > > > > > > is needed for any mantra. > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. whom to worship for what - one has to worship only one > > form > > > > > which > > > > > > one is his / her Ishta Devi or Devta. may be saakar rupa > or > > > > > nirakaar > > > > > > rupa. > > > > > > > > > > > > their is nothing which your Ishta Dev or Devi cant give > > you, > > > > when > > > > > you > > > > > > leave your Isht and run here n their it means you have > > doubt > > > in > > > > > his > > > > > > or her powers, kindly remember Almighty is only one, have > > all > > > > > forms. > > > > > > Rama or krishna or hanuman or shakti or ganesha or any > one > > > all > > > > the > > > > > > forms of one only one The Suprem Personality The Almighty > > God. > > > > > > > > > > > > if one falls in Mantra then must know complete Vidhana, > > > > otherwise > > > > > do > > > > > > just simple Prayer, Prayer is one of the most Powerful > tool > > in > > > > > hand > > > > > > of Human beings, Their all billions of people who even > does > > > not > > > > > know > > > > > > any Mantra, who even does not know Rama or Krishna, they > > > worship > > > > > The > > > > > > almighty in other Form/s. most of people do only prayer > on > > > this > > > > > earth. > > > > > > > > > > > > This all things only on your belief, what ever you > belief, > > it > > > > > comes > > > > > > in same reply. > > > > > > > > > > > > in end - ANY ONE WHO TAKE ALMIGHTY'S NAME - ANY NAME - OR > > > PRAY > > > > IN > > > > > ANY > > > > > > LANGUAGE OR FROM - MUST BLESSED. > > > > > > > > > > > > THEIR IS NO END OF DEBAIT, IT ALL MANTRA YANTRA ALL THESE > > ARE > > > > > BELIEFE > > > > > > BASED ON ASTI OR NASTI ONLY. > > > > > > > > > > > > WORSHIP OF ALMIGHTY DOES NOT NEED ANY THING, NO MANTRA OR > > > YANTRA > > > > > IS > > > > > > NEEDED - WHEN YOU CALL HIM BY YOUR HEART AND SOUL IN ANY > > > > > LANGUAGE - > > > > > > ALLWAYS ANSWERED - THE ONLY CONDITION YOU MUST BE CLEAN, > > > CLEAR, > > > > > PURE, > > > > > > THEN ONLY REPLY WILL COME VERY FAST > > > > > > > > > > > > (EXAMPLE : when you boil water , if water is clean, > clear, > > > pure > > > > it > > > > > > take few minutes to boil, BUT if water is too mudy and > > impure > > > > and > > > > > mix > > > > > > of dirt or other things, it take long time to get boiled) > > > > > > > > > > > > Soul is like water, if it is clean , clear, pure, your > > prayer > > > > get > > > > > > reply fast, but if it is not clean, clear, pure, Reply > must > > > come > > > > > but > > > > > > it will take it own time. > > > > > > > > > > > > By just chanting His/ Her name with unconditional love > > > without > > > > any > > > > > > Vidhana, will clear your all karmas, your all impurity > very > > > fast > > > > > and > > > > > > you will be blessed. > > > > > > > > > > > > Even Though people want to Proseed Mantras then they Must > > > know > > > > all > > > > > > about Mantra. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > Niket > > > > > > > > > > > > , " jk.dasgupta " > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raja, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you add OM, all doshas of the mantra is removed. > > Else > > > > there > > > > > > are some > > > > > > > perticular methods to match the mantra with the native. > > > Else > > > > it > > > > > can > > > > > > creat > > > > > > > havoc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you know if Lord Hanuman is at all interested in > > > > > protecting > > > > > > you? Lord > > > > > > > Hanuman is represented by Mars. It all depends upon the > > > > > placement > > > > > > of Mars in > > > > > > > your chart. I know one case, where Mars was in 5H and > he > > > > started > > > > > > chanting > > > > > > > Hanuman mantra. His home started trembling. Why? > because > > any > > > > > house > > > > > > is maraka > > > > > > > of the 12th house from it. 12th from 5th is 4th house > > which > > > is > > > > > jala > > > > > > tattwa. > > > > > > > And tattwa of Mars is agni. So you can understand what > > > > happened. > > > > > > Either agni > > > > > > > will get finished or jala will get finished. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are more things. You want protection from > shatrus. > > > None > > > > > will > > > > > > do it > > > > > > > except your Palana Devata. It is denoted by the 6th > > planet > > > of > > > > > the > > > > > > 6th lord > > > > > > > (if there is no planet) from Chara Amatma Karaka in > > Navamsa. > > > > > Also, > > > > > > If any > > > > > > > planet is sitting in 5th hose in rashi, that has got > > power > > > to > > > > > make > > > > > > one > > > > > > > dance - specially so, if it is in dusthana from Lagna > > lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you want spiritual progress, it is your Ista who > will > > > help. > > > > > Ista > > > > > > is > > > > > > > denoted by the planet in 12th House or the 12th lord > (if > > > there > > > > > is > > > > > > no > > > > > > > planet) from Chara Atma karaka. Which planet denotes > which > > > > > diety are > > > > > > > explained in BPHS and Prashna Margam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you see, that it is not necessary that your wish > will > > be > > > > > > fullfilled by > > > > > > > just reciting a mantra. I know one case, by reciting > ari- > > > > mantra, > > > > > > one lost > > > > > > > his only son. All these are to be seen while selecting > a > > > > mantra > > > > > for > > > > > > a > > > > > > > person. These are all knowledges available in > paramparas > > > only. > > > > > Pt. > > > > > > Sanjay > > > > > > > Rath - in his book " Vedic Remedies in Astrology " has > > brought > > > > > out in > > > > > > clarity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So it is always better to recite the prashiddha > mantras, > > > > unless > > > > > you > > > > > > get > > > > > > > proper guidance. I will try to make a brief write up on > > > > mantra, > > > > > > different > > > > > > > types and how to understand the effect of any > perticular > > > > mantra > > > > > and > > > > > > post it > > > > > > > in the list - whenever i find some time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > []On Behalf Of > Raja > > > > > > > Thursday, January 01, 2009 7:57 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: swaha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dasguptaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i dont understand. This is a hanuman mantra supposed to > > > > protect > > > > > > from > > > > > > > shatrus or rog etc so why do i have to be carefull? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you stating that it is doing opposite than what i am > > > > > thinking > > > > > > it > > > > > > > should? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If i remove OM from it, it becomes 5 word, does that > mean > > > it'd > > > > > > > strengthen lagna from 5th house? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please shed some light. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > > > > raja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . com, " jk.dasgupta " > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, but be carefull what you want. This is a 6 words > > and > > > 13 > > > > > > letter > > > > > > > mantra. > > > > > > > > That means it will draw energy from your shatrubhava > or > > > > > > rogabhava > > > > > > > and give > > > > > > > > result on yr lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > []On Behalf Of > > Raja > > > > > > > > Wednesday, December 31, 2008 1:52 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: swaha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so is it ok to chant swaha mantra i.e.. om shri hari > > > > markatam > > > > > > > > markatay swaha... without any homam ahuti..? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . com, " jk.dasgupta " > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raja, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swaha and Swadha are two wives of Agni. Swaha is > > > generalyy > > > > > > used > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > offering > > > > > > > > > something to Devas or in homams and Swadha is used > in > > > > > sraddha > > > > > > > > karmas for > > > > > > > > > Pittris. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now there are many types of mantras. Two are main, > i.e > > > > > `Namah' > > > > > > > > mantras where > > > > > > > > > `Namah' is used at the end. These types of mantras > > are > > > for > > > > > > > > surrender to the > > > > > > > > > lord. But mantras ending with `Swaha' are somewhat > > > forcing > > > > > the > > > > > > > > Devata to > > > > > > > > > grant the result. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So `Namah' mantras are always better - as the Lord > > knows > > > > > what > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > best > > > > > > > > > suitable for us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > []On Behalf > Of > > > Raja > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, December 31, 2008 12:19 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > swaha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many mantras have " swaha " at the end of them. I > have > > > read > > > > > and > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > > during havana also that these kind of mantra > > > > requires " homa " > > > > > > > > (i.e.. > > > > > > > > > some sort of havan ahuti) while chanting yet some > > > mantras > > > > i > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > > are chanted with swaha on day to day basis where > > there > > > is > > > > no > > > > > > > > havan. I > > > > > > > > > wanted to ask learned ones' opinion about this > matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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