Guest guest Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 Dear Niket-ji, The " crazy madman " -- as Aadarniya Sunil ji chose to call me recently -- disagrees! Even Tapa and Saadhanaa require FAITH! In the Teacher and the Teaching of the Ritual! Even " experimentation " and 'improvisation', the next step, of what was learned through a Guru requires Faith! Faith in oneself and one's learning. Often miscomprehended by critics as " EGO " -- all it represents really is a personal resolve that says, 'I have chosen the path and taken the first step; now may the destination teach me how to proceed!' So there is really ONE option and one path! :-) Rohiniranjan , " astroiniket " <nakshtraniket wrote: > > Yes dear Prashantji, as i have already posted in my privious posts > few months back : > > if one want to achive his target their are only 2 ways. > > 1. first is Tapa or Sadhna in which 100% proces + Knowledge + Focus + > System + Method Required and it is based on Mantra - doer will get > 100% sure Results as wanted, no value of Faith here. becoz here > system is working. > > > 2. Second path is Bhakti: nothing is required, only unconditional > love and 100% devotion, Blind faith, Required, and the Person must be > able to give desired things to others. > > > the diffrence is on first way you get what you want, BUT on second > path you get all withoust asking, even more then that, as well as you > also able to give desired things to Others. you got powers of > almighty. > > > Choice is ours, First way is Easy for those who have strong will > power, and fire to achive their worldly things. > > > Second Path is not easy - not at all............it needs lot of > things which we can do but do not want to do. the problem is our > knowledge here, our own mind, our thoughts, our selfishness, we do > not want to see almighty in all. > > simple thing : > > when you cant love by heart n soul to those whom you can see and you > live with. > > Then how can you Love to whom , which you never seen. > > if you are able to love all by heart, then only you can clear Prep or > KG of Bhakti Marga. > > > Rest ALL is MAYA. > > OM GYANINAMAPI CHETANSI DEVI BHAGVATI HI SA > BALADAKRASHYA MOHAY MAHAMAYA PRAYACHATI. > > > regards > Niket > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > Dear Nikit, Raja > > > > well all the points covered here can be split into a few parts > > > > just like a good analysis, diagnosis and treatment has its own > desired results > > > > so too a Mantra invokation, recitation will help in much better way > if it coming from a elderly person a GURU, or one of tohe two parents > done in the prescribed manner. > > > > Bhakti has its own dimension where it is unqualified devotion, > irrespective of the challenges ones faith is steadfast and > unwavering, the toad is rough but the DESTINATION is a beautiful one > if we See Dhruva, Markendaya, Prahalada, Hanuman, Annamacharya , > Tyagaraja, Kabir, Tulsidas, Basaeshwara, Gnaneshwara, Sant Govind > singh, Sri ramakrishna, Swami Vivekananda, Chaitanya prabhu, ramana > Mahirishi and a the list is endless.. there is merit in every case. > > > > Best wishes > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > astroiniket <nakshtraniket@> > > > > Thursday, January 1, 2009 2:32:47 PM > > Re: swaha - why i am not agree > > > > > > dear friends do not include Bhakti in my saying. excluding that : > > > > as you are taking med, you have faith in med or not - no matter - > if > > med is strong - and rightly prescribed - and diagnosed - you must > see > > or feel effect of med. > > > > same Mantras : if you follow Perfect process, you have faith or > not - > > no matter - your - (Selection of Mantra + process of Mantra + > > Materiel + strong will+ focus on target) must give you desired > result. > > > > I am agree one must need a guru to understand and perform all this. > > > > BUT > > > > up to a certain level - horoscope - Grah (planets) - nakshtras - > > knowledge - mantras - yantras - tantra is identified but their is > one > > more level beyond this level " Where all these things does not have > > any value - that is Bhakti. " > > > > in Bhakti nothing is required - Only unconditional love - rest is > > Headache of almighty and belief me you never feel any need to ask > any > > thing. all will be taken care. and you will get all without doing > any > > thing. > > > > as shree Hanuman Got ashirwad from Maa " Ajar, Amar, Gun Nidhi, Sut > > tum Hoyu " ( o my sun you will be sea of all Gunas, Siddhis, Nidhis, > > all type of wealth, you will be immortal, you never be old, you > will > > be beyond time and it's control and effects) and see Lord hanuman > is > > able to give any thing. a lot of can be said. but all these things > > can be written in words. > > > > rgds > > Niket > > > > , " Raja " <desi.raja@ ..> > wrote: > > > > > > I stand corrected. Case studies i assume can be as emipirical > proof > > > as any scientific verification. I was just attempting to balance > > the > > > arguments. > > > > > > , " astroiniket " > > > <nakshtraniket@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > dear Raja, > > > > in what context you are asking to prove ? what you want to > > verify ? > > > > pls clear dot points. > > > > > > > > rgds > > > > Niker > > > > , " Raja " <desi.raja@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > see , what you two have been discussing is theoritical > science > > > and > > > > in > > > > > no way it can empirically be verified hence there is no way > for > > > > > proving who is right and who is not. Different mind has > > diffrent > > > > > theories and it very well may lead to a single ultimate > > > destination > > > > > but how do we verify as no such method exist to verify. > > > > > > > > > > fascinating. I am glad that i joined this group. > > > > > > > > > > , " jk.dasgupta " > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I fully agree with you :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > []On Behalf Of > > > astroiniket > > > > > > Thursday, January 01, 2009 12:28 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: swaha - why i am not agree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my dear friend - some time knowledge is door of Haven, > and > > > some > > > > > time > > > > > > it is door of Hell. Depends. > > > > > > > > > > > > as almighty is concern - no knowledge is required. as > world > > is > > > > > > concern a lot of knowledge is also very very less. > > > > > > > > > > > > kind regards > > > > > > Niket > > > > > > > > > > > > , " jk.dasgupta " > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think Parashara and Neelakantha knows better than us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What you are telling is perfectly alright - when doing > > puja > > > > > without > > > > > > any > > > > > > > vasana and just for spiritual progress. But when > material > > > > > progress > > > > > > is > > > > > > > required, rules are different. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In your other mail you have mentioned that you have all > > the > > > > > books. > > > > > > Then you > > > > > > > must be knowing more than me. I do not have those > books, > > > nor > > > > I > > > > > know > > > > > > > Sanskrit. I only follow my Guru's words. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What you have mentioned about Dr. Srimali is your > > personal > > > > > openion. > > > > > > I do not > > > > > > > agree with it. I know him personally and got benefits. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I also do not follow the ideas of his family > > > > members > > > > > > holding the > > > > > > > reign. It is also my personal openion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > []On Behalf Of > > > > > astroiniket > > > > > > > Thursday, January 01, 2009 12:02 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: swaha - why i am not agree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. " When you add OM, all doshas of the mantra is > removed. " > > > > > > > sir prefixing of Om cant remove any dosha of any mantra > > > there > > > > > are > > > > > > 32 > > > > > > > dosha in mantra - which only can be removed by doing > > perfect > > > > > > vidhana. > > > > > > > may see shloka in rgveda " asya mantrani karkam > devhelnat " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. None of diety (form of almighty) is not bound only > with > > > > > > planets. > > > > > > > as lord Hanuman was born on Tuesday so people consider > > him > > > > lord > > > > > of > > > > > > > Mars, and few people consider Lord Kartikey also lord > of > > > > Mars. > > > > > in > > > > > > > actual it is nothing to do with Mars. Mars consider as > > > > > Bhumiputra > > > > > > is > > > > > > > govern by self. Mars is self demi diety. see refrence in > > > > > > > samveda " nanvatenya angaraka bhumiputro shivasya > > > saranchanam, > > > > > tsya > > > > > > > alokya...... may read full in original " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. All mantras have their own nature, yes agni Beez > > mantra > > > > cant > > > > > be > > > > > > > used with Jala Beez Mantra, but it can be used when > Prana > > > > > > pratishtha > > > > > > > is needed for any mantra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. whom to worship for what - one has to worship only > one > > > form > > > > > > which > > > > > > > one is his / her Ishta Devi or Devta. may be saakar > rupa > > or > > > > > > nirakaar > > > > > > > rupa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > their is nothing which your Ishta Dev or Devi cant give > > > you, > > > > > when > > > > > > you > > > > > > > leave your Isht and run here n their it means you have > > > doubt > > > > in > > > > > > his > > > > > > > or her powers, kindly remember Almighty is only one, > have > > > all > > > > > > forms. > > > > > > > Rama or krishna or hanuman or shakti or ganesha or any > > one > > > > all > > > > > the > > > > > > > forms of one only one The Suprem Personality The > Almighty > > > God. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if one falls in Mantra then must know complete Vidhana, > > > > > otherwise > > > > > > do > > > > > > > just simple Prayer, Prayer is one of the most Powerful > > tool > > > in > > > > > > hand > > > > > > > of Human beings, Their all billions of people who even > > does > > > > not > > > > > > know > > > > > > > any Mantra, who even does not know Rama or Krishna, > they > > > > worship > > > > > > The > > > > > > > almighty in other Form/s. most of people do only prayer > > on > > > > this > > > > > > earth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This all things only on your belief, what ever you > > belief, > > > it > > > > > > comes > > > > > > > in same reply. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in end - ANY ONE WHO TAKE ALMIGHTY'S NAME - ANY NAME - > OR > > > > PRAY > > > > > IN > > > > > > ANY > > > > > > > LANGUAGE OR FROM - MUST BLESSED. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THEIR IS NO END OF DEBAIT, IT ALL MANTRA YANTRA ALL > THESE > > > ARE > > > > > > BELIEFE > > > > > > > BASED ON ASTI OR NASTI ONLY. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WORSHIP OF ALMIGHTY DOES NOT NEED ANY THING, NO MANTRA > OR > > > > YANTRA > > > > > > IS > > > > > > > NEEDED - WHEN YOU CALL HIM BY YOUR HEART AND SOUL IN ANY > > > > > > LANGUAGE - > > > > > > > ALLWAYS ANSWERED - THE ONLY CONDITION YOU MUST BE > CLEAN, > > > > CLEAR, > > > > > > PURE, > > > > > > > THEN ONLY REPLY WILL COME VERY FAST > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (EXAMPLE : when you boil water , if water is clean, > > clear, > > > > pure > > > > > it > > > > > > > take few minutes to boil, BUT if water is too mudy and > > > impure > > > > > and > > > > > > mix > > > > > > > of dirt or other things, it take long time to get > boiled) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soul is like water, if it is clean , clear, pure, your > > > prayer > > > > > get > > > > > > > reply fast, but if it is not clean, clear, pure, Reply > > must > > > > come > > > > > > but > > > > > > > it will take it own time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By just chanting His/ Her name with unconditional love > > > > without > > > > > any > > > > > > > Vidhana, will clear your all karmas, your all impurity > > very > > > > fast > > > > > > and > > > > > > > you will be blessed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even Though people want to Proseed Mantras then they > Must > > > > know > > > > > all > > > > > > > about Mantra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > Niket > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . com, " jk.dasgupta " > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raja, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you add OM, all doshas of the mantra is removed. > > > Else > > > > > there > > > > > > > are some > > > > > > > > perticular methods to match the mantra with the > native. > > > > Else > > > > > it > > > > > > can > > > > > > > creat > > > > > > > > havoc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you know if Lord Hanuman is at all interested > in > > > > > > protecting > > > > > > > you? Lord > > > > > > > > Hanuman is represented by Mars. It all depends upon > the > > > > > > placement > > > > > > > of Mars in > > > > > > > > your chart. I know one case, where Mars was in 5H and > > he > > > > > started > > > > > > > chanting > > > > > > > > Hanuman mantra. His home started trembling. Why? > > because > > > any > > > > > > house > > > > > > > is maraka > > > > > > > > of the 12th house from it. 12th from 5th is 4th house > > > which > > > > is > > > > > > jala > > > > > > > tattwa. > > > > > > > > And tattwa of Mars is agni. So you can understand > what > > > > > happened. > > > > > > > Either agni > > > > > > > > will get finished or jala will get finished. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are more things. You want protection from > > shatrus. > > > > None > > > > > > will > > > > > > > do it > > > > > > > > except your Palana Devata. It is denoted by the 6th > > > planet > > > > of > > > > > > the > > > > > > > 6th lord > > > > > > > > (if there is no planet) from Chara Amatma Karaka in > > > Navamsa. > > > > > > Also, > > > > > > > If any > > > > > > > > planet is sitting in 5th hose in rashi, that has got > > > power > > > > to > > > > > > make > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > dance - specially so, if it is in dusthana from Lagna > > > lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you want spiritual progress, it is your Ista who > > will > > > > help. > > > > > > Ista > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > denoted by the planet in 12th House or the 12th lord > > (if > > > > there > > > > > > is > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > planet) from Chara Atma karaka. Which planet denotes > > which > > > > > > diety are > > > > > > > > explained in BPHS and Prashna Margam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you see, that it is not necessary that your wish > > will > > > be > > > > > > > fullfilled by > > > > > > > > just reciting a mantra. I know one case, by reciting > > ari- > > > > > mantra, > > > > > > > one lost > > > > > > > > his only son. All these are to be seen while > selecting > > a > > > > > mantra > > > > > > for > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > person. These are all knowledges available in > > paramparas > > > > only. > > > > > > Pt. > > > > > > > Sanjay > > > > > > > > Rath - in his book " Vedic Remedies in Astrology " has > > > brought > > > > > > out in > > > > > > > clarity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So it is always better to recite the prashiddha > > mantras, > > > > > unless > > > > > > you > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > proper guidance. I will try to make a brief write up > on > > > > > mantra, > > > > > > > different > > > > > > > > types and how to understand the effect of any > > perticular > > > > > mantra > > > > > > and > > > > > > > post it > > > > > > > > in the list - whenever i find some time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > []On Behalf > Of > > Raja > > > > > > > > Thursday, January 01, 2009 7:57 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: swaha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dasguptaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i dont understand. This is a hanuman mantra supposed > to > > > > > protect > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > shatrus or rog etc so why do i have to be carefull? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you stating that it is doing opposite than what i > am > > > > > > thinking > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > should? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If i remove OM from it, it becomes 5 word, does that > > mean > > > > it'd > > > > > > > > strengthen lagna from 5th house? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please shed some light. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > > > > > raja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . > com, " jk.dasgupta " > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, but be carefull what you want. This is a 6 > words > > > and > > > > 13 > > > > > > > letter > > > > > > > > mantra. > > > > > > > > > That means it will draw energy from your > shatrubhava > > or > > > > > > > rogabhava > > > > > > > > and give > > > > > > > > > result on yr lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > []On > Behalf Of > > > Raja > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, December 31, 2008 1:52 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: swaha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so is it ok to chant swaha mantra i.e.. om shri > hari > > > > > markatam > > > > > > > > > markatay swaha... without any homam ahuti..? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . > com, " jk.dasgupta " > > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raja, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swaha and Swadha are two wives of Agni. Swaha is > > > > generalyy > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > offering > > > > > > > > > > something to Devas or in homams and Swadha is > used > > in > > > > > > sraddha > > > > > > > > > karmas for > > > > > > > > > > Pittris. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now there are many types of mantras. Two are > main, > > i.e > > > > > > `Namah' > > > > > > > > > mantras where > > > > > > > > > > `Namah' is used at the end. These types of > mantras > > > are > > > > for > > > > > > > > > surrender to the > > > > > > > > > > lord. But mantras ending with `Swaha' are > somewhat > > > > forcing > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > Devata to > > > > > > > > > > grant the result. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So `Namah' mantras are always better - as the > Lord > > > knows > > > > > > what > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > best > > > > > > > > > > suitable for us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > []On > Behalf > > Of > > > > Raja > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, December 31, 2008 12:19 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > swaha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many mantras have " swaha " at the end of them. I > > have > > > > read > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > > > during havana also that these kind of mantra > > > > > requires " homa " > > > > > > > > > (i.e.. > > > > > > > > > > some sort of havan ahuti) while chanting yet some > > > > mantras > > > > > i > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > > > are chanted with swaha on day to day basis where > > > there > > > > is > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > havan. I > > > > > > > > > > wanted to ask learned ones' opinion about this > > matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 Well said Rohiniranjan jee " So there is really ONE option and one path! " When I was 10 years old, I read Gita and imagined that Jnanyoga, Karmayoga and Bhaktiyoga were three different paths, and reading " na hi saamkhya samam jaanam... " , I resolved to select jnanayoga for myself, and concluded only studies will give me jnaana, not knowing that jnaanayoga is the culmination of pure consciousness reached during nirvikalpa samadhi. An impure mind is incapable of becoming a bhakta. Mind cannot be purified by sermons, it needs kriyaayoga for a long period. And when all sins dissolve, including Ahamkaara, no difference remains between bhakta and Bhagwan; this is advaita stage, this is called jnaana of Samkhya (not the misinterpreted Samkhya of moderners, but the Samkhya of Krishna and Ishwarkrishna. Without destroying Ahamkaara, jnaana cannot be attained. Without diluting Ahamkaara to some extent, bhakti is impossible. And without kriyaayoga, Ahamkaara cannot be diluted or destroyed. Thus, karma, bhakti and Jnaana are successive sages in spiritual evolution. Some persons are born bhaktas, some acquire bhakti by dint of personal encounter with the worthlessness of mayic relations as well as of the worthlessness of alienated and perverted notion of Self in this 'endrik indrajaal' of maya. Ahamkaara is derived from the root Agh, from which ego also is derived. Agh means sin, darkness, ignorance, etc. After destroying ego, individual soul realizes that " Golden lid (of Maya) hides Truth, (without throwing away this lid, one cannot see that) the Purusha in Aditya is same as the Purusha that I am ; Brahma is Akash. " This is the last mantra of White Yajurveda, and of Ishopanishada (Hiranyamayena patrena satyasya apihitam mukham...). -VJ XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan wrote: > > Dear Niket-ji, > > The " crazy madman " -- as Aadarniya Sunil ji chose to call me > recently -- disagrees! > > Even Tapa and Saadhanaa require FAITH! In the Teacher and the > Teaching of the Ritual! > > Even " experimentation " and 'improvisation', the next step, of what > was learned through a Guru requires Faith! Faith in oneself and one's > learning. Often miscomprehended by critics as " EGO " -- all it > represents really is a personal resolve that says, 'I have chosen the > path and taken the first step; now may the destination teach me how > to proceed!' > > So there is really ONE option and one path! :-) > > Rohiniranjan > > > , " astroiniket " > <nakshtraniket@> wrote: > > > > Yes dear Prashantji, as i have already posted in my privious posts > > few months back : > > > > if one want to achive his target their are only 2 ways. > > > > 1. first is Tapa or Sadhna in which 100% proces + Knowledge + Focus > + > > System + Method Required and it is based on Mantra - doer will get > > 100% sure Results as wanted, no value of Faith here. becoz here > > system is working. > > > > > > 2. Second path is Bhakti: nothing is required, only unconditional > > love and 100% devotion, Blind faith, Required, and the Person must > be > > able to give desired things to others. > > > > > > the diffrence is on first way you get what you want, BUT on second > > path you get all withoust asking, even more then that, as well as > you > > also able to give desired things to Others. you got powers of > > almighty. > > > > > > Choice is ours, First way is Easy for those who have strong will > > power, and fire to achive their worldly things. > > > > > > Second Path is not easy - not at all............it needs lot of > > things which we can do but do not want to do. the problem is our > > knowledge here, our own mind, our thoughts, our selfishness, we do > > not want to see almighty in all. > > > > simple thing : > > > > when you cant love by heart n soul to those whom you can see and > you > > live with. > > > > Then how can you Love to whom , which you never seen. > > > > if you are able to love all by heart, then only you can clear Prep > or > > KG of Bhakti Marga. > > > > > > Rest ALL is MAYA. > > > > OM GYANINAMAPI CHETANSI DEVI BHAGVATI HI SA > > BALADAKRASHYA MOHAY MAHAMAYA PRAYACHATI. > > > > > > regards > > Niket > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Nikit, Raja > > > > > > well all the points covered here can be split into a few parts > > > > > > just like a good analysis, diagnosis and treatment has its own > > desired results > > > > > > so too a Mantra invokation, recitation will help in much better > way > > if it coming from a elderly person a GURU, or one of tohe two > parents > > done in the prescribed manner. > > > > > > Bhakti has its own dimension where it is unqualified devotion, > > irrespective of the challenges ones faith is steadfast and > > unwavering, the toad is rough but the DESTINATION is a beautiful > one > > if we See Dhruva, Markendaya, Prahalada, Hanuman, Annamacharya , > > Tyagaraja, Kabir, Tulsidas, Basaeshwara, Gnaneshwara, Sant Govind > > singh, Sri ramakrishna, Swami Vivekananda, Chaitanya prabhu, ramana > > Mahirishi and a the list is endless.. there is merit in every case. > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > astroiniket <nakshtraniket@> > > > > > > Thursday, January 1, 2009 2:32:47 PM > > > Re: swaha - why i am not agree > > > > > > > > > dear friends do not include Bhakti in my saying. excluding that : > > > > > > as you are taking med, you have faith in med or not - no matter - > > if > > > med is strong - and rightly prescribed - and diagnosed - you must > > see > > > or feel effect of med. > > > > > > same Mantras : if you follow Perfect process, you have faith or > > not - > > > no matter - your - (Selection of Mantra + process of Mantra + > > > Materiel + strong will+ focus on target) must give you desired > > result. > > > > > > I am agree one must need a guru to understand and perform all > this. > > > > > > BUT > > > > > > up to a certain level - horoscope - Grah (planets) - nakshtras - > > > knowledge - mantras - yantras - tantra is identified but their is > > one > > > more level beyond this level " Where all these things does not > have > > > any value - that is Bhakti. " > > > > > > in Bhakti nothing is required - Only unconditional love - rest is > > > Headache of almighty and belief me you never feel any need to ask > > any > > > thing. all will be taken care. and you will get all without doing > > any > > > thing. > > > > > > as shree Hanuman Got ashirwad from Maa " Ajar, Amar, Gun Nidhi, > Sut > > > tum Hoyu " ( o my sun you will be sea of all Gunas, Siddhis, > Nidhis, > > > all type of wealth, you will be immortal, you never be old, you > > will > > > be beyond time and it's control and effects) and see Lord hanuman > > is > > > able to give any thing. a lot of can be said. but all these > things > > > can be written in words. > > > > > > rgds > > > Niket > > > > > > , " Raja " <desi.raja@ ..> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I stand corrected. Case studies i assume can be as emipirical > > proof > > > > as any scientific verification. I was just attempting to > balance > > > the > > > > arguments. > > > > > > > > , " astroiniket " > > > > <nakshtraniket@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > dear Raja, > > > > > in what context you are asking to prove ? what you want to > > > verify ? > > > > > pls clear dot points. > > > > > > > > > > rgds > > > > > Niker > > > > > , " Raja " > <desi.raja@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > see , what you two have been discussing is theoritical > > science > > > > and > > > > > in > > > > > > no way it can empirically be verified hence there is no way > > for > > > > > > proving who is right and who is not. Different mind has > > > diffrent > > > > > > theories and it very well may lead to a single ultimate > > > > destination > > > > > > but how do we verify as no such method exist to verify. > > > > > > > > > > > > fascinating. I am glad that i joined this group. > > > > > > > > > > > > , " jk.dasgupta " > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I fully agree with you :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > []On Behalf Of > > > > astroiniket > > > > > > > Thursday, January 01, 2009 12:28 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: swaha - why i am not agree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my dear friend - some time knowledge is door of Haven, > > and > > > > some > > > > > > time > > > > > > > it is door of Hell. Depends. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as almighty is concern - no knowledge is required. as > > world > > > is > > > > > > > concern a lot of knowledge is also very very less. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kind regards > > > > > > > Niket > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . com, " jk.dasgupta " > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think Parashara and Neelakantha knows better than > us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What you are telling is perfectly alright - when > doing > > > puja > > > > > > without > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > vasana and just for spiritual progress. But when > > material > > > > > > progress > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > required, rules are different. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In your other mail you have mentioned that you have > all > > > the > > > > > > books. > > > > > > > Then you > > > > > > > > must be knowing more than me. I do not have those > > books, > > > > nor > > > > > I > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > Sanskrit. I only follow my Guru's words. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What you have mentioned about Dr. Srimali is your > > > personal > > > > > > openion. > > > > > > > I do not > > > > > > > > agree with it. I know him personally and got benefits. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I also do not follow the ideas of his > family > > > > > members > > > > > > > holding the > > > > > > > > reign. It is also my personal openion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > []On Behalf > Of > > > > > > astroiniket > > > > > > > > Thursday, January 01, 2009 12:02 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: swaha - why i am not agree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. " When you add OM, all doshas of the mantra is > > removed. " > > > > > > > > sir prefixing of Om cant remove any dosha of any > mantra > > > > there > > > > > > are > > > > > > > 32 > > > > > > > > dosha in mantra - which only can be removed by doing > > > perfect > > > > > > > vidhana. > > > > > > > > may see shloka in rgveda " asya mantrani karkam > > devhelnat " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. None of diety (form of almighty) is not bound only > > with > > > > > > > planets. > > > > > > > > as lord Hanuman was born on Tuesday so people > consider > > > him > > > > > lord > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > Mars, and few people consider Lord Kartikey also lord > > of > > > > > Mars. > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > actual it is nothing to do with Mars. Mars consider > as > > > > > > Bhumiputra > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > govern by self. Mars is self demi diety. see refrence > in > > > > > > > > samveda " nanvatenya angaraka bhumiputro shivasya > > > > saranchanam, > > > > > > tsya > > > > > > > > alokya...... may read full in original " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. All mantras have their own nature, yes agni Beez > > > mantra > > > > > cant > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > used with Jala Beez Mantra, but it can be used when > > Prana > > > > > > > pratishtha > > > > > > > > is needed for any mantra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. whom to worship for what - one has to worship only > > one > > > > form > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > one is his / her Ishta Devi or Devta. may be saakar > > rupa > > > or > > > > > > > nirakaar > > > > > > > > rupa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > their is nothing which your Ishta Dev or Devi cant > give > > > > you, > > > > > > when > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > leave your Isht and run here n their it means you > have > > > > doubt > > > > > in > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > or her powers, kindly remember Almighty is only one, > > have > > > > all > > > > > > > forms. > > > > > > > > Rama or krishna or hanuman or shakti or ganesha or > any > > > one > > > > > all > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > forms of one only one The Suprem Personality The > > Almighty > > > > God. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if one falls in Mantra then must know complete > Vidhana, > > > > > > otherwise > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > just simple Prayer, Prayer is one of the most > Powerful > > > tool > > > > in > > > > > > > hand > > > > > > > > of Human beings, Their all billions of people who > even > > > does > > > > > not > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > any Mantra, who even does not know Rama or Krishna, > > they > > > > > worship > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > almighty in other Form/s. most of people do only > prayer > > > on > > > > > this > > > > > > > earth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This all things only on your belief, what ever you > > > belief, > > > > it > > > > > > > comes > > > > > > > > in same reply. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in end - ANY ONE WHO TAKE ALMIGHTY'S NAME - ANY NAME - > > > OR > > > > > PRAY > > > > > > IN > > > > > > > ANY > > > > > > > > LANGUAGE OR FROM - MUST BLESSED. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THEIR IS NO END OF DEBAIT, IT ALL MANTRA YANTRA ALL > > THESE > > > > ARE > > > > > > > BELIEFE > > > > > > > > BASED ON ASTI OR NASTI ONLY. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WORSHIP OF ALMIGHTY DOES NOT NEED ANY THING, NO > MANTRA > > OR > > > > > YANTRA > > > > > > > IS > > > > > > > > NEEDED - WHEN YOU CALL HIM BY YOUR HEART AND SOUL IN > ANY > > > > > > > LANGUAGE - > > > > > > > > ALLWAYS ANSWERED - THE ONLY CONDITION YOU MUST BE > > CLEAN, > > > > > CLEAR, > > > > > > > PURE, > > > > > > > > THEN ONLY REPLY WILL COME VERY FAST > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (EXAMPLE : when you boil water , if water is clean, > > > clear, > > > > > pure > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > take few minutes to boil, BUT if water is too mudy > and > > > > impure > > > > > > and > > > > > > > mix > > > > > > > > of dirt or other things, it take long time to get > > boiled) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soul is like water, if it is clean , clear, pure, > your > > > > prayer > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > reply fast, but if it is not clean, clear, pure, > Reply > > > must > > > > > come > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > it will take it own time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By just chanting His/ Her name with unconditional > love > > > > > without > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > Vidhana, will clear your all karmas, your all > impurity > > > very > > > > > fast > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > you will be blessed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even Though people want to Proseed Mantras then they > > Must > > > > > know > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > about Mantra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > Niket > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . > com, " jk.dasgupta " > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raja, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you add OM, all doshas of the mantra is > removed. > > > > Else > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > are some > > > > > > > > > perticular methods to match the mantra with the > > native. > > > > > Else > > > > > > it > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > creat > > > > > > > > > havoc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you know if Lord Hanuman is at all > interested > > in > > > > > > > protecting > > > > > > > > you? Lord > > > > > > > > > Hanuman is represented by Mars. It all depends upon > > the > > > > > > > placement > > > > > > > > of Mars in > > > > > > > > > your chart. I know one case, where Mars was in 5H > and > > > he > > > > > > started > > > > > > > > chanting > > > > > > > > > Hanuman mantra. His home started trembling. Why? > > > because > > > > any > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > is maraka > > > > > > > > > of the 12th house from it. 12th from 5th is 4th > house > > > > which > > > > > is > > > > > > > jala > > > > > > > > tattwa. > > > > > > > > > And tattwa of Mars is agni. So you can understand > > what > > > > > > happened. > > > > > > > > Either agni > > > > > > > > > will get finished or jala will get finished. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are more things. You want protection from > > > shatrus. > > > > > None > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > do it > > > > > > > > > except your Palana Devata. It is denoted by the 6th > > > > planet > > > > > of > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > 6th lord > > > > > > > > > (if there is no planet) from Chara Amatma Karaka in > > > > Navamsa. > > > > > > > Also, > > > > > > > > If any > > > > > > > > > planet is sitting in 5th hose in rashi, that has > got > > > > power > > > > > to > > > > > > > make > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > dance - specially so, if it is in dusthana from > Lagna > > > > lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you want spiritual progress, it is your Ista who > > > will > > > > > help. > > > > > > > Ista > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > denoted by the planet in 12th House or the 12th > lord > > > (if > > > > > there > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > planet) from Chara Atma karaka. Which planet > denotes > > > which > > > > > > > diety are > > > > > > > > > explained in BPHS and Prashna Margam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you see, that it is not necessary that your wish > > > will > > > > be > > > > > > > > fullfilled by > > > > > > > > > just reciting a mantra. I know one case, by > reciting > > > ari- > > > > > > mantra, > > > > > > > > one lost > > > > > > > > > his only son. All these are to be seen while > > selecting > > > a > > > > > > mantra > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > person. These are all knowledges available in > > > paramparas > > > > > only. > > > > > > > Pt. > > > > > > > > Sanjay > > > > > > > > > Rath - in his book " Vedic Remedies in Astrology " > has > > > > brought > > > > > > > out in > > > > > > > > clarity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So it is always better to recite the prashiddha > > > mantras, > > > > > > unless > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > proper guidance. I will try to make a brief write > up > > on > > > > > > mantra, > > > > > > > > different > > > > > > > > > types and how to understand the effect of any > > > perticular > > > > > > mantra > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > post it > > > > > > > > > in the list - whenever i find some time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > []On > Behalf > > Of > > > Raja > > > > > > > > > Thursday, January 01, 2009 7:57 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: swaha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dasguptaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i dont understand. This is a hanuman mantra > supposed > > to > > > > > > protect > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > shatrus or rog etc so why do i have to be carefull? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you stating that it is doing opposite than what > i > > am > > > > > > > thinking > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > should? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If i remove OM from it, it becomes 5 word, does > that > > > mean > > > > > it'd > > > > > > > > > strengthen lagna from 5th house? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please shed some light. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > > > > > > raja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . > > com, " jk.dasgupta " > > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, but be carefull what you want. This is a 6 > > words > > > > and > > > > > 13 > > > > > > > > letter > > > > > > > > > mantra. > > > > > > > > > > That means it will draw energy from your > > shatrubhava > > > or > > > > > > > > rogabhava > > > > > > > > > and give > > > > > > > > > > result on yr lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > []On > > Behalf Of > > > > Raja > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, December 31, 2008 1:52 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: swaha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so is it ok to chant swaha mantra i.e.. om shri > > hari > > > > > > markatam > > > > > > > > > > markatay swaha... without any homam ahuti..? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . > > com, " jk.dasgupta " > > > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raja, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swaha and Swadha are two wives of Agni. Swaha > is > > > > > generalyy > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > offering > > > > > > > > > > > something to Devas or in homams and Swadha is > > used > > > in > > > > > > > sraddha > > > > > > > > > > karmas for > > > > > > > > > > > Pittris. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now there are many types of mantras. Two are > > main, > > > i.e > > > > > > > `Namah' > > > > > > > > > > mantras where > > > > > > > > > > > `Namah' is used at the end. These types of > > mantras > > > > are > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > surrender to the > > > > > > > > > > > lord. But mantras ending with `Swaha' are > > somewhat > > > > > forcing > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > Devata to > > > > > > > > > > > grant the result. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So `Namah' mantras are always better - as the > > Lord > > > > knows > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > best > > > > > > > > > > > suitable for us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > []On > > Behalf > > > Of > > > > > Raja > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, December 31, 2008 12:19 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > swaha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many mantras have " swaha " at the end of them. I > > > have > > > > > read > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > > > > during havana also that these kind of mantra > > > > > > requires " homa " > > > > > > > > > > (i.e.. > > > > > > > > > > > some sort of havan ahuti) while chanting yet > some > > > > > mantras > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > > > > are chanted with swaha on day to day basis > where > > > > there > > > > > is > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > havan. I > > > > > > > > > > > wanted to ask learned ones' opinion about this > > > matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 shree RRji, i am agree with you some extent, but here few things are diffrent, if you see most of people only look for worldly things, they want to move the things on their wish, it is possible, but result mat be vary, one more thing Faith always generate when you feel or see something Effective - like one have Fever if take Paracitamole - you belive on med or not if it is strong, it will give it's effect, may be more or less it second thing. same when a person starts a perfect process for moving the things if he know all about the process and system and have strong focus and make zero diffect process through Perfect knowledge - he must feel effects of the system or process. here various factors are involved - a guru is needed who can give you right thing which you need, who can guide your entire process, when one will go throug with all system and process Faith will automaticaly generated - no extra efforts are required to produce it. like you belief in electricity or not if you have conection and a perfect instrument which you want to run on electricity - it will work. electricity is one it light up bulb, run fan, run Mixi, and so many instruments, all instruments having diffrent nature and usage but Energy as we call electricity is one. you have to see wiring till your home must be ok, max you can take care of your colonies Transfarmer, but beyond this like feeder of state the turbine which is making electricity is out of your control, that is in control of other person, and if you see turbine also make electricity from water. it means electricty is in water - no - in turbine - no - it is in system and in process. i think you understand what i want to say. i think not needed to explain more things to you. Kind regards Niket , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan wrote: > > Dear Niket-ji, > > The " crazy madman " -- as Aadarniya Sunil ji chose to call me > recently -- disagrees! > > Even Tapa and Saadhanaa require FAITH! In the Teacher and the > Teaching of the Ritual! > > Even " experimentation " and 'improvisation', the next step, of what > was learned through a Guru requires Faith! Faith in oneself and one's > learning. Often miscomprehended by critics as " EGO " -- all it > represents really is a personal resolve that says, 'I have chosen the > path and taken the first step; now may the destination teach me how > to proceed!' > > So there is really ONE option and one path! :-) > > Rohiniranjan > > > , " astroiniket " > <nakshtraniket@> wrote: > > > > Yes dear Prashantji, as i have already posted in my privious posts > > few months back : > > > > if one want to achive his target their are only 2 ways. > > > > 1. first is Tapa or Sadhna in which 100% proces + Knowledge + Focus > + > > System + Method Required and it is based on Mantra - doer will get > > 100% sure Results as wanted, no value of Faith here. becoz here > > system is working. > > > > > > 2. Second path is Bhakti: nothing is required, only unconditional > > love and 100% devotion, Blind faith, Required, and the Person must > be > > able to give desired things to others. > > > > > > the diffrence is on first way you get what you want, BUT on second > > path you get all withoust asking, even more then that, as well as > you > > also able to give desired things to Others. you got powers of > > almighty. > > > > > > Choice is ours, First way is Easy for those who have strong will > > power, and fire to achive their worldly things. > > > > > > Second Path is not easy - not at all............it needs lot of > > things which we can do but do not want to do. the problem is our > > knowledge here, our own mind, our thoughts, our selfishness, we do > > not want to see almighty in all. > > > > simple thing : > > > > when you cant love by heart n soul to those whom you can see and > you > > live with. > > > > Then how can you Love to whom , which you never seen. > > > > if you are able to love all by heart, then only you can clear Prep > or > > KG of Bhakti Marga. > > > > > > Rest ALL is MAYA. > > > > OM GYANINAMAPI CHETANSI DEVI BHAGVATI HI SA > > BALADAKRASHYA MOHAY MAHAMAYA PRAYACHATI. > > > > > > regards > > Niket > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Nikit, Raja > > > > > > well all the points covered here can be split into a few parts > > > > > > just like a good analysis, diagnosis and treatment has its own > > desired results > > > > > > so too a Mantra invokation, recitation will help in much better > way > > if it coming from a elderly person a GURU, or one of tohe two > parents > > done in the prescribed manner. > > > > > > Bhakti has its own dimension where it is unqualified devotion, > > irrespective of the challenges ones faith is steadfast and > > unwavering, the toad is rough but the DESTINATION is a beautiful > one > > if we See Dhruva, Markendaya, Prahalada, Hanuman, Annamacharya , > > Tyagaraja, Kabir, Tulsidas, Basaeshwara, Gnaneshwara, Sant Govind > > singh, Sri ramakrishna, Swami Vivekananda, Chaitanya prabhu, ramana > > Mahirishi and a the list is endless.. there is merit in every case. > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > astroiniket <nakshtraniket@> > > > > > > Thursday, January 1, 2009 2:32:47 PM > > > Re: swaha - why i am not agree > > > > > > > > > dear friends do not include Bhakti in my saying. excluding that : > > > > > > as you are taking med, you have faith in med or not - no matter - > > if > > > med is strong - and rightly prescribed - and diagnosed - you must > > see > > > or feel effect of med. > > > > > > same Mantras : if you follow Perfect process, you have faith or > > not - > > > no matter - your - (Selection of Mantra + process of Mantra + > > > Materiel + strong will+ focus on target) must give you desired > > result. > > > > > > I am agree one must need a guru to understand and perform all > this. > > > > > > BUT > > > > > > up to a certain level - horoscope - Grah (planets) - nakshtras - > > > knowledge - mantras - yantras - tantra is identified but their is > > one > > > more level beyond this level " Where all these things does not > have > > > any value - that is Bhakti. " > > > > > > in Bhakti nothing is required - Only unconditional love - rest is > > > Headache of almighty and belief me you never feel any need to ask > > any > > > thing. all will be taken care. and you will get all without doing > > any > > > thing. > > > > > > as shree Hanuman Got ashirwad from Maa " Ajar, Amar, Gun Nidhi, > Sut > > > tum Hoyu " ( o my sun you will be sea of all Gunas, Siddhis, > Nidhis, > > > all type of wealth, you will be immortal, you never be old, you > > will > > > be beyond time and it's control and effects) and see Lord hanuman > > is > > > able to give any thing. a lot of can be said. but all these > things > > > can be written in words. > > > > > > rgds > > > Niket > > > > > > , " Raja " <desi.raja@ ..> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I stand corrected. Case studies i assume can be as emipirical > > proof > > > > as any scientific verification. I was just attempting to > balance > > > the > > > > arguments. > > > > > > > > , " astroiniket " > > > > <nakshtraniket@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > dear Raja, > > > > > in what context you are asking to prove ? what you want to > > > verify ? > > > > > pls clear dot points. > > > > > > > > > > rgds > > > > > Niker > > > > > , " Raja " > <desi.raja@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > see , what you two have been discussing is theoritical > > science > > > > and > > > > > in > > > > > > no way it can empirically be verified hence there is no way > > for > > > > > > proving who is right and who is not. Different mind has > > > diffrent > > > > > > theories and it very well may lead to a single ultimate > > > > destination > > > > > > but how do we verify as no such method exist to verify. > > > > > > > > > > > > fascinating. I am glad that i joined this group. > > > > > > > > > > > > , " jk.dasgupta " > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I fully agree with you :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > []On Behalf Of > > > > astroiniket > > > > > > > Thursday, January 01, 2009 12:28 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: swaha - why i am not agree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my dear friend - some time knowledge is door of Haven, > > and > > > > some > > > > > > time > > > > > > > it is door of Hell. Depends. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as almighty is concern - no knowledge is required. as > > world > > > is > > > > > > > concern a lot of knowledge is also very very less. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kind regards > > > > > > > Niket > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . com, " jk.dasgupta " > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think Parashara and Neelakantha knows better than > us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What you are telling is perfectly alright - when > doing > > > puja > > > > > > without > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > vasana and just for spiritual progress. But when > > material > > > > > > progress > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > required, rules are different. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In your other mail you have mentioned that you have > all > > > the > > > > > > books. > > > > > > > Then you > > > > > > > > must be knowing more than me. I do not have those > > books, > > > > nor > > > > > I > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > Sanskrit. I only follow my Guru's words. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What you have mentioned about Dr. Srimali is your > > > personal > > > > > > openion. > > > > > > > I do not > > > > > > > > agree with it. I know him personally and got benefits. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I also do not follow the ideas of his > family > > > > > members > > > > > > > holding the > > > > > > > > reign. It is also my personal openion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > []On Behalf > Of > > > > > > astroiniket > > > > > > > > Thursday, January 01, 2009 12:02 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: swaha - why i am not agree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. " When you add OM, all doshas of the mantra is > > removed. " > > > > > > > > sir prefixing of Om cant remove any dosha of any > mantra > > > > there > > > > > > are > > > > > > > 32 > > > > > > > > dosha in mantra - which only can be removed by doing > > > perfect > > > > > > > vidhana. > > > > > > > > may see shloka in rgveda " asya mantrani karkam > > devhelnat " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. None of diety (form of almighty) is not bound only > > with > > > > > > > planets. > > > > > > > > as lord Hanuman was born on Tuesday so people > consider > > > him > > > > > lord > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > Mars, and few people consider Lord Kartikey also lord > > of > > > > > Mars. > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > actual it is nothing to do with Mars. Mars consider > as > > > > > > Bhumiputra > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > govern by self. Mars is self demi diety. see refrence > in > > > > > > > > samveda " nanvatenya angaraka bhumiputro shivasya > > > > saranchanam, > > > > > > tsya > > > > > > > > alokya...... may read full in original " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. All mantras have their own nature, yes agni Beez > > > mantra > > > > > cant > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > used with Jala Beez Mantra, but it can be used when > > Prana > > > > > > > pratishtha > > > > > > > > is needed for any mantra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. whom to worship for what - one has to worship only > > one > > > > form > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > one is his / her Ishta Devi or Devta. may be saakar > > rupa > > > or > > > > > > > nirakaar > > > > > > > > rupa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > their is nothing which your Ishta Dev or Devi cant > give > > > > you, > > > > > > when > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > leave your Isht and run here n their it means you > have > > > > doubt > > > > > in > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > or her powers, kindly remember Almighty is only one, > > have > > > > all > > > > > > > forms. > > > > > > > > Rama or krishna or hanuman or shakti or ganesha or > any > > > one > > > > > all > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > forms of one only one The Suprem Personality The > > Almighty > > > > God. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if one falls in Mantra then must know complete > Vidhana, > > > > > > otherwise > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > just simple Prayer, Prayer is one of the most > Powerful > > > tool > > > > in > > > > > > > hand > > > > > > > > of Human beings, Their all billions of people who > even > > > does > > > > > not > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > any Mantra, who even does not know Rama or Krishna, > > they > > > > > worship > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > almighty in other Form/s. most of people do only > prayer > > > on > > > > > this > > > > > > > earth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This all things only on your belief, what ever you > > > belief, > > > > it > > > > > > > comes > > > > > > > > in same reply. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in end - ANY ONE WHO TAKE ALMIGHTY'S NAME - ANY NAME - > > > OR > > > > > PRAY > > > > > > IN > > > > > > > ANY > > > > > > > > LANGUAGE OR FROM - MUST BLESSED. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THEIR IS NO END OF DEBAIT, IT ALL MANTRA YANTRA ALL > > THESE > > > > ARE > > > > > > > BELIEFE > > > > > > > > BASED ON ASTI OR NASTI ONLY. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WORSHIP OF ALMIGHTY DOES NOT NEED ANY THING, NO > MANTRA > > OR > > > > > YANTRA > > > > > > > IS > > > > > > > > NEEDED - WHEN YOU CALL HIM BY YOUR HEART AND SOUL IN > ANY > > > > > > > LANGUAGE - > > > > > > > > ALLWAYS ANSWERED - THE ONLY CONDITION YOU MUST BE > > CLEAN, > > > > > CLEAR, > > > > > > > PURE, > > > > > > > > THEN ONLY REPLY WILL COME VERY FAST > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (EXAMPLE : when you boil water , if water is clean, > > > clear, > > > > > pure > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > take few minutes to boil, BUT if water is too mudy > and > > > > impure > > > > > > and > > > > > > > mix > > > > > > > > of dirt or other things, it take long time to get > > boiled) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soul is like water, if it is clean , clear, pure, > your > > > > prayer > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > reply fast, but if it is not clean, clear, pure, > Reply > > > must > > > > > come > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > it will take it own time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By just chanting His/ Her name with unconditional > love > > > > > without > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > Vidhana, will clear your all karmas, your all > impurity > > > very > > > > > fast > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > you will be blessed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even Though people want to Proseed Mantras then they > > Must > > > > > know > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > about Mantra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > Niket > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . > com, " jk.dasgupta " > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raja, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you add OM, all doshas of the mantra is > removed. > > > > Else > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > are some > > > > > > > > > perticular methods to match the mantra with the > > native. > > > > > Else > > > > > > it > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > creat > > > > > > > > > havoc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you know if Lord Hanuman is at all > interested > > in > > > > > > > protecting > > > > > > > > you? Lord > > > > > > > > > Hanuman is represented by Mars. It all depends upon > > the > > > > > > > placement > > > > > > > > of Mars in > > > > > > > > > your chart. I know one case, where Mars was in 5H > and > > > he > > > > > > started > > > > > > > > chanting > > > > > > > > > Hanuman mantra. His home started trembling. Why? > > > because > > > > any > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > is maraka > > > > > > > > > of the 12th house from it. 12th from 5th is 4th > house > > > > which > > > > > is > > > > > > > jala > > > > > > > > tattwa. > > > > > > > > > And tattwa of Mars is agni. So you can understand > > what > > > > > > happened. > > > > > > > > Either agni > > > > > > > > > will get finished or jala will get finished. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are more things. You want protection from > > > shatrus. > > > > > None > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > do it > > > > > > > > > except your Palana Devata. It is denoted by the 6th > > > > planet > > > > > of > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > 6th lord > > > > > > > > > (if there is no planet) from Chara Amatma Karaka in > > > > Navamsa. > > > > > > > Also, > > > > > > > > If any > > > > > > > > > planet is sitting in 5th hose in rashi, that has > got > > > > power > > > > > to > > > > > > > make > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > dance - specially so, if it is in dusthana from > Lagna > > > > lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you want spiritual progress, it is your Ista who > > > will > > > > > help. > > > > > > > Ista > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > denoted by the planet in 12th House or the 12th > lord > > > (if > > > > > there > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > planet) from Chara Atma karaka. Which planet > denotes > > > which > > > > > > > diety are > > > > > > > > > explained in BPHS and Prashna Margam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you see, that it is not necessary that your wish > > > will > > > > be > > > > > > > > fullfilled by > > > > > > > > > just reciting a mantra. I know one case, by > reciting > > > ari- > > > > > > mantra, > > > > > > > > one lost > > > > > > > > > his only son. All these are to be seen while > > selecting > > > a > > > > > > mantra > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > person. These are all knowledges available in > > > paramparas > > > > > only. > > > > > > > Pt. > > > > > > > > Sanjay > > > > > > > > > Rath - in his book " Vedic Remedies in Astrology " > has > > > > brought > > > > > > > out in > > > > > > > > clarity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So it is always better to recite the prashiddha > > > mantras, > > > > > > unless > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > proper guidance. I will try to make a brief write > up > > on > > > > > > mantra, > > > > > > > > different > > > > > > > > > types and how to understand the effect of any > > > perticular > > > > > > mantra > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > post it > > > > > > > > > in the list - whenever i find some time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > []On > Behalf > > Of > > > Raja > > > > > > > > > Thursday, January 01, 2009 7:57 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: swaha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dasguptaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i dont understand. This is a hanuman mantra > supposed > > to > > > > > > protect > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > shatrus or rog etc so why do i have to be carefull? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you stating that it is doing opposite than what > i > > am > > > > > > > thinking > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > should? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If i remove OM from it, it becomes 5 word, does > that > > > mean > > > > > it'd > > > > > > > > > strengthen lagna from 5th house? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please shed some light. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > > > > > > raja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . > > com, " jk.dasgupta " > > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, but be carefull what you want. This is a 6 > > words > > > > and > > > > > 13 > > > > > > > > letter > > > > > > > > > mantra. > > > > > > > > > > That means it will draw energy from your > > shatrubhava > > > or > > > > > > > > rogabhava > > > > > > > > > and give > > > > > > > > > > result on yr lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > []On > > Behalf Of > > > > Raja > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, December 31, 2008 1:52 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: swaha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so is it ok to chant swaha mantra i.e.. om shri > > hari > > > > > > markatam > > > > > > > > > > markatay swaha... without any homam ahuti..? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . > > com, " jk.dasgupta " > > > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raja, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swaha and Swadha are two wives of Agni. Swaha > is > > > > > generalyy > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > offering > > > > > > > > > > > something to Devas or in homams and Swadha is > > used > > > in > > > > > > > sraddha > > > > > > > > > > karmas for > > > > > > > > > > > Pittris. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now there are many types of mantras. Two are > > main, > > > i.e > > > > > > > `Namah' > > > > > > > > > > mantras where > > > > > > > > > > > `Namah' is used at the end. These types of > > mantras > > > > are > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > surrender to the > > > > > > > > > > > lord. But mantras ending with `Swaha' are > > somewhat > > > > > forcing > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > Devata to > > > > > > > > > > > grant the result. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So `Namah' mantras are always better - as the > > Lord > > > > knows > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > best > > > > > > > > > > > suitable for us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > []On > > Behalf > > > Of > > > > > Raja > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, December 31, 2008 12:19 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > swaha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many mantras have " swaha " at the end of them. I > > > have > > > > > read > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > > > > during havana also that these kind of mantra > > > > > > requires " homa " > > > > > > > > > > (i.e.. > > > > > > > > > > > some sort of havan ahuti) while chanting yet > some > > > > > mantras > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > > > > are chanted with swaha on day to day basis > where > > > > there > > > > > is > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > havan. I > > > > > > > > > > > wanted to ask learned ones' opinion about this > > > matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 Dear RRji, What Niket is talking, I think is the path of getting moksha. In kaliyuga real bhakti is rare and moksha is very difficult. Kaliyuga is ruled by Rahu and in this yuga only rules laid by Sri Krishna, in Mahabharata and Geeta will pull us out from the sufferings injected by Rahu - the Kaal naaga. Who else other that Sri Krishan can control the dangerous sarpa called Kaaliya? Who comes to an astrologer if he is not suffering in this life? He who is enjoying or passing through a good time, has no time to visit an astrologer. He who is in the path of moksha, does not require an astrologer - as tomorrow has no meaning for them. Many people come to me asking " when I can get moksha? " . This question points towards their frustation in life. My simple answer to them always is - one should never try to run away from the sufferings of this life, rectify it properly, complete the bhogas in totality whether good or bad. Moksha will come in its own course. Let us be honest and accept that, we are all bhogis and we all aspire for prosperity and happiness in this life, including myself :-). We all aspire for bhogas of Rahu. Regards Jk On Behalf Of Rohiniranjan Friday, January 02, 2009 9:47 AM Re: All is Maya - Dear Niket-ji, The " crazy madman " -- as Aadarniya Sunil ji chose to call me recently -- disagrees! Even Tapa and Saadhanaa require FAITH! In the Teacher and the Teaching of the Ritual! Even " experimentation " and 'improvisation', the next step, of what was learned through a Guru requires Faith! Faith in oneself and one's learning. Often miscomprehended by critics as " EGO " -- all it represents really is a personal resolve that says, 'I have chosen the path and taken the first step; now may the destination teach me how to proceed!' So there is really ONE option and one path! :-) Rohiniranjan , " astroiniket " <nakshtraniket wrote: > > Yes dear Prashantji, as i have already posted in my privious posts > few months back : > > if one want to achive his target their are only 2 ways. > > 1. first is Tapa or Sadhna in which 100% proces + Knowledge + Focus + > System + Method Required and it is based on Mantra - doer will get > 100% sure Results as wanted, no value of Faith here. becoz here > system is working. > > > 2. Second path is Bhakti: nothing is required, only unconditional > love and 100% devotion, Blind faith, Required, and the Person must be > able to give desired things to others. > > > the diffrence is on first way you get what you want, BUT on second > path you get all withoust asking, even more then that, as well as you > also able to give desired things to Others. you got powers of > almighty. > > > Choice is ours, First way is Easy for those who have strong will > power, and fire to achive their worldly things. > > > Second Path is not easy - not at all............it needs lot of > things which we can do but do not want to do. the problem is our > knowledge here, our own mind, our thoughts, our selfishness, we do > not want to see almighty in all. > > simple thing : > > when you cant love by heart n soul to those whom you can see and you > live with. > > Then how can you Love to whom , which you never seen. > > if you are able to love all by heart, then only you can clear Prep or > KG of Bhakti Marga. > > > Rest ALL is MAYA. > > OM GYANINAMAPI CHETANSI DEVI BHAGVATI HI SA > BALADAKRASHYA MOHAY MAHAMAYA PRAYACHATI. > > > regards > Niket > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > Dear Nikit, Raja > > > > well all the points covered here can be split into a few parts > > > > just like a good analysis, diagnosis and treatment has its own > desired results > > > > so too a Mantra invokation, recitation will help in much better way > if it coming from a elderly person a GURU, or one of tohe two parents > done in the prescribed manner. > > > > Bhakti has its own dimension where it is unqualified devotion, > irrespective of the challenges ones faith is steadfast and > unwavering, the toad is rough but the DESTINATION is a beautiful one > if we See Dhruva, Markendaya, Prahalada, Hanuman, Annamacharya , > Tyagaraja, Kabir, Tulsidas, Basaeshwara, Gnaneshwara, Sant Govind > singh, Sri ramakrishna, Swami Vivekananda, Chaitanya prabhu, ramana > Mahirishi and a the list is endless.. there is merit in every case. > > > > Best wishes > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > astroiniket <nakshtraniket@> > > > > Thursday, January 1, 2009 2:32:47 PM > > Re: swaha - why i am not agree > > > > > > dear friends do not include Bhakti in my saying. excluding that : > > > > as you are taking med, you have faith in med or not - no matter - > if > > med is strong - and rightly prescribed - and diagnosed - you must > see > > or feel effect of med. > > > > same Mantras : if you follow Perfect process, you have faith or > not - > > no matter - your - (Selection of Mantra + process of Mantra + > > Materiel + strong will+ focus on target) must give you desired > result. > > > > I am agree one must need a guru to understand and perform all this. > > > > BUT > > > > up to a certain level - horoscope - Grah (planets) - nakshtras - > > knowledge - mantras - yantras - tantra is identified but their is > one > > more level beyond this level " Where all these things does not have > > any value - that is Bhakti. " > > > > in Bhakti nothing is required - Only unconditional love - rest is > > Headache of almighty and belief me you never feel any need to ask > any > > thing. all will be taken care. and you will get all without doing > any > > thing. > > > > as shree Hanuman Got ashirwad from Maa " Ajar, Amar, Gun Nidhi, Sut > > tum Hoyu " ( o my sun you will be sea of all Gunas, Siddhis, Nidhis, > > all type of wealth, you will be immortal, you never be old, you > will > > be beyond time and it's control and effects) and see Lord hanuman > is > > able to give any thing. a lot of can be said. but all these things > > can be written in words. > > > > rgds > > Niket > > > > , " Raja " <desi.raja@ ..> > wrote: > > > > > > I stand corrected. Case studies i assume can be as emipirical > proof > > > as any scientific verification. I was just attempting to balance > > the > > > arguments. > > > > > > , " astroiniket " > > > <nakshtraniket@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > dear Raja, > > > > in what context you are asking to prove ? what you want to > > verify ? > > > > pls clear dot points. > > > > > > > > rgds > > > > Niker > > > > , " Raja " <desi.raja@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > see , what you two have been discussing is theoritical > science > > > and > > > > in > > > > > no way it can empirically be verified hence there is no way > for > > > > > proving who is right and who is not. Different mind has > > diffrent > > > > > theories and it very well may lead to a single ultimate > > > destination > > > > > but how do we verify as no such method exist to verify. > > > > > > > > > > fascinating. I am glad that i joined this group. > > > > > > > > > > , " jk.dasgupta " > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I fully agree with you :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > []On Behalf Of > > > astroiniket > > > > > > Thursday, January 01, 2009 12:28 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: swaha - why i am not agree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my dear friend - some time knowledge is door of Haven, > and > > > some > > > > > time > > > > > > it is door of Hell. Depends. > > > > > > > > > > > > as almighty is concern - no knowledge is required. as > world > > is > > > > > > concern a lot of knowledge is also very very less. > > > > > > > > > > > > kind regards > > > > > > Niket > > > > > > > > > > > > , " jk.dasgupta " > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think Parashara and Neelakantha knows better than us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What you are telling is perfectly alright - when doing > > puja > > > > > without > > > > > > any > > > > > > > vasana and just for spiritual progress. But when > material > > > > > progress > > > > > > is > > > > > > > required, rules are different. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In your other mail you have mentioned that you have all > > the > > > > > books. > > > > > > Then you > > > > > > > must be knowing more than me. I do not have those > books, > > > nor > > > > I > > > > > know > > > > > > > Sanskrit. I only follow my Guru's words. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What you have mentioned about Dr. Srimali is your > > personal > > > > > openion. > > > > > > I do not > > > > > > > agree with it. I know him personally and got benefits. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I also do not follow the ideas of his family > > > > members > > > > > > holding the > > > > > > > reign. It is also my personal openion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > []On Behalf Of > > > > > astroiniket > > > > > > > Thursday, January 01, 2009 12:02 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: swaha - why i am not agree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. " When you add OM, all doshas of the mantra is > removed. " > > > > > > > sir prefixing of Om cant remove any dosha of any mantra > > > there > > > > > are > > > > > > 32 > > > > > > > dosha in mantra - which only can be removed by doing > > perfect > > > > > > vidhana. > > > > > > > may see shloka in rgveda " asya mantrani karkam > devhelnat " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. None of diety (form of almighty) is not bound only > with > > > > > > planets. > > > > > > > as lord Hanuman was born on Tuesday so people consider > > him > > > > lord > > > > > of > > > > > > > Mars, and few people consider Lord Kartikey also lord > of > > > > Mars. > > > > > in > > > > > > > actual it is nothing to do with Mars. Mars consider as > > > > > Bhumiputra > > > > > > is > > > > > > > govern by self. Mars is self demi diety. see refrence in > > > > > > > samveda " nanvatenya angaraka bhumiputro shivasya > > > saranchanam, > > > > > tsya > > > > > > > alokya...... may read full in original " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. All mantras have their own nature, yes agni Beez > > mantra > > > > cant > > > > > be > > > > > > > used with Jala Beez Mantra, but it can be used when > Prana > > > > > > pratishtha > > > > > > > is needed for any mantra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. whom to worship for what - one has to worship only > one > > > form > > > > > > which > > > > > > > one is his / her Ishta Devi or Devta. may be saakar > rupa > > or > > > > > > nirakaar > > > > > > > rupa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > their is nothing which your Ishta Dev or Devi cant give > > > you, > > > > > when > > > > > > you > > > > > > > leave your Isht and run here n their it means you have > > > doubt > > > > in > > > > > > his > > > > > > > or her powers, kindly remember Almighty is only one, > have > > > all > > > > > > forms. > > > > > > > Rama or krishna or hanuman or shakti or ganesha or any > > one > > > > all > > > > > the > > > > > > > forms of one only one The Suprem Personality The > Almighty > > > God. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if one falls in Mantra then must know complete Vidhana, > > > > > otherwise > > > > > > do > > > > > > > just simple Prayer, Prayer is one of the most Powerful > > tool > > > in > > > > > > hand > > > > > > > of Human beings, Their all billions of people who even > > does > > > > not > > > > > > know > > > > > > > any Mantra, who even does not know Rama or Krishna, > they > > > > worship > > > > > > The > > > > > > > almighty in other Form/s. most of people do only prayer > > on > > > > this > > > > > > earth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This all things only on your belief, what ever you > > belief, > > > it > > > > > > comes > > > > > > > in same reply. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in end - ANY ONE WHO TAKE ALMIGHTY'S NAME - ANY NAME - > OR > > > > PRAY > > > > > IN > > > > > > ANY > > > > > > > LANGUAGE OR FROM - MUST BLESSED. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THEIR IS NO END OF DEBAIT, IT ALL MANTRA YANTRA ALL > THESE > > > ARE > > > > > > BELIEFE > > > > > > > BASED ON ASTI OR NASTI ONLY. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WORSHIP OF ALMIGHTY DOES NOT NEED ANY THING, NO MANTRA > OR > > > > YANTRA > > > > > > IS > > > > > > > NEEDED - WHEN YOU CALL HIM BY YOUR HEART AND SOUL IN ANY > > > > > > LANGUAGE - > > > > > > > ALLWAYS ANSWERED - THE ONLY CONDITION YOU MUST BE > CLEAN, > > > > CLEAR, > > > > > > PURE, > > > > > > > THEN ONLY REPLY WILL COME VERY FAST > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (EXAMPLE : when you boil water , if water is clean, > > clear, > > > > pure > > > > > it > > > > > > > take few minutes to boil, BUT if water is too mudy and > > > impure > > > > > and > > > > > > mix > > > > > > > of dirt or other things, it take long time to get > boiled) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soul is like water, if it is clean , clear, pure, your > > > prayer > > > > > get > > > > > > > reply fast, but if it is not clean, clear, pure, Reply > > must > > > > come > > > > > > but > > > > > > > it will take it own time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By just chanting His/ Her name with unconditional love > > > > without > > > > > any > > > > > > > Vidhana, will clear your all karmas, your all impurity > > very > > > > fast > > > > > > and > > > > > > > you will be blessed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even Though people want to Proseed Mantras then they > Must > > > > know > > > > > all > > > > > > > about Mantra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > Niket > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . com, " jk.dasgupta " > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raja, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you add OM, all doshas of the mantra is removed. > > > Else > > > > > there > > > > > > > are some > > > > > > > > perticular methods to match the mantra with the > native. > > > > Else > > > > > it > > > > > > can > > > > > > > creat > > > > > > > > havoc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you know if Lord Hanuman is at all interested > in > > > > > > protecting > > > > > > > you? Lord > > > > > > > > Hanuman is represented by Mars. It all depends upon > the > > > > > > placement > > > > > > > of Mars in > > > > > > > > your chart. I know one case, where Mars was in 5H and > > he > > > > > started > > > > > > > chanting > > > > > > > > Hanuman mantra. His home started trembling. Why? > > because > > > any > > > > > > house > > > > > > > is maraka > > > > > > > > of the 12th house from it. 12th from 5th is 4th house > > > which > > > > is > > > > > > jala > > > > > > > tattwa. > > > > > > > > And tattwa of Mars is agni. So you can understand > what > > > > > happened. > > > > > > > Either agni > > > > > > > > will get finished or jala will get finished. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are more things. You want protection from > > shatrus. > > > > None > > > > > > will > > > > > > > do it > > > > > > > > except your Palana Devata. It is denoted by the 6th > > > planet > > > > of > > > > > > the > > > > > > > 6th lord > > > > > > > > (if there is no planet) from Chara Amatma Karaka in > > > Navamsa. > > > > > > Also, > > > > > > > If any > > > > > > > > planet is sitting in 5th hose in rashi, that has got > > > power > > > > to > > > > > > make > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > dance - specially so, if it is in dusthana from Lagna > > > lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you want spiritual progress, it is your Ista who > > will > > > > help. > > > > > > Ista > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > denoted by the planet in 12th House or the 12th lord > > (if > > > > there > > > > > > is > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > planet) from Chara Atma karaka. Which planet denotes > > which > > > > > > diety are > > > > > > > > explained in BPHS and Prashna Margam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you see, that it is not necessary that your wish > > will > > > be > > > > > > > fullfilled by > > > > > > > > just reciting a mantra. I know one case, by reciting > > ari- > > > > > mantra, > > > > > > > one lost > > > > > > > > his only son. All these are to be seen while > selecting > > a > > > > > mantra > > > > > > for > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > person. These are all knowledges available in > > paramparas > > > > only. > > > > > > Pt. > > > > > > > Sanjay > > > > > > > > Rath - in his book " Vedic Remedies in Astrology " has > > > brought > > > > > > out in > > > > > > > clarity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So it is always better to recite the prashiddha > > mantras, > > > > > unless > > > > > > you > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > proper guidance. I will try to make a brief write up > on > > > > > mantra, > > > > > > > different > > > > > > > > types and how to understand the effect of any > > perticular > > > > > mantra > > > > > > and > > > > > > > post it > > > > > > > > in the list - whenever i find some time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > []On Behalf > Of > > Raja > > > > > > > > Thursday, January 01, 2009 7:57 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: swaha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dasguptaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i dont understand. This is a hanuman mantra supposed > to > > > > > protect > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > shatrus or rog etc so why do i have to be carefull? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you stating that it is doing opposite than what i > am > > > > > > thinking > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > should? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If i remove OM from it, it becomes 5 word, does that > > mean > > > > it'd > > > > > > > > strengthen lagna from 5th house? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please shed some light. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > > > > > raja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . > com, " jk.dasgupta " > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, but be carefull what you want. This is a 6 > words > > > and > > > > 13 > > > > > > > letter > > > > > > > > mantra. > > > > > > > > > That means it will draw energy from your > shatrubhava > > or > > > > > > > rogabhava > > > > > > > > and give > > > > > > > > > result on yr lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > []On > Behalf Of > > > Raja > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, December 31, 2008 1:52 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: swaha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so is it ok to chant swaha mantra i.e.. om shri > hari > > > > > markatam > > > > > > > > > markatay swaha... without any homam ahuti..? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . > com, " jk.dasgupta " > > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raja, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swaha and Swadha are two wives of Agni. Swaha is > > > > generalyy > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > offering > > > > > > > > > > something to Devas or in homams and Swadha is > used > > in > > > > > > sraddha > > > > > > > > > karmas for > > > > > > > > > > Pittris. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now there are many types of mantras. Two are > main, > > i.e > > > > > > `Namah' > > > > > > > > > mantras where > > > > > > > > > > `Namah' is used at the end. These types of > mantras > > > are > > > > for > > > > > > > > > surrender to the > > > > > > > > > > lord. But mantras ending with `Swaha' are > somewhat > > > > forcing > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > Devata to > > > > > > > > > > grant the result. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So `Namah' mantras are always better - as the > Lord > > > knows > > > > > > what > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > best > > > > > > > > > > suitable for us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > []On > Behalf > > Of > > > > Raja > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, December 31, 2008 12:19 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > swaha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many mantras have " swaha " at the end of them. I > > have > > > > read > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > > > during havana also that these kind of mantra > > > > > requires " homa " > > > > > > > > > (i.e.. > > > > > > > > > > some sort of havan ahuti) while chanting yet some > > > > mantras > > > > > i > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > > > are chanted with swaha on day to day basis where > > > there > > > > is > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > havan. I > > > > > > > > > > wanted to ask learned ones' opinion about this > > matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 I hope the madman did not start (=stir) another bout of 32 Hz activity that makes Yogis hop and levitate! Sorry!! RR , " jk.dasgupta " <jk.dasgupta wrote: > > Dear RRji, > > What Niket is talking, I think is the path of getting moksha. In kaliyuga > real bhakti is rare and moksha is very difficult. > > Kaliyuga is ruled by Rahu and in this yuga only rules laid by Sri Krishna, > in Mahabharata and Geeta will pull us out from the sufferings injected by > Rahu - the Kaal naaga. Who else other that Sri Krishan can control the > dangerous sarpa called Kaaliya? > > Who comes to an astrologer if he is not suffering in this life? He who is > enjoying or passing through a good time, has no time to visit an astrologer. > He who is in the path of moksha, does not require an astrologer - as > tomorrow has no meaning for them. > > Many people come to me asking " when I can get moksha? " . This question points > towards their frustation in life. My simple answer to them always is - one > should never try to run away from the sufferings of this life, rectify it > properly, complete the bhogas in totality whether good or bad. Moksha will > come in its own course. > > Let us be honest and accept that, we are all bhogis and we all aspire for > prosperity and happiness in this life, including myself :-). We all aspire > for bhogas of Rahu. > > Regards > > Jk > > > > > On Behalf Of Rohiniranjan > Friday, January 02, 2009 9:47 AM > > Re: All is Maya - > > > Dear Niket-ji, > > The " crazy madman " -- as Aadarniya Sunil ji chose to call me > recently -- disagrees! > > Even Tapa and Saadhanaa require FAITH! In the Teacher and the > Teaching of the Ritual! > > Even " experimentation " and 'improvisation', the next step, of what > was learned through a Guru requires Faith! Faith in oneself and one's > learning. Often miscomprehended by critics as " EGO " -- all it > represents really is a personal resolve that says, 'I have chosen the > path and taken the first step; now may the destination teach me how > to proceed!' > > So there is really ONE option and one path! :-) > > Rohiniranjan > > , " astroiniket " > <nakshtraniket@> wrote: > > > > Yes dear Prashantji, as i have already posted in my privious posts > > few months back : > > > > if one want to achive his target their are only 2 ways. > > > > 1. first is Tapa or Sadhna in which 100% proces + Knowledge + Focus > + > > System + Method Required and it is based on Mantra - doer will get > > 100% sure Results as wanted, no value of Faith here. becoz here > > system is working. > > > > > > 2. Second path is Bhakti: nothing is required, only unconditional > > love and 100% devotion, Blind faith, Required, and the Person must > be > > able to give desired things to others. > > > > > > the diffrence is on first way you get what you want, BUT on second > > path you get all withoust asking, even more then that, as well as > you > > also able to give desired things to Others. you got powers of > > almighty. > > > > > > Choice is ours, First way is Easy for those who have strong will > > power, and fire to achive their worldly things. > > > > > > Second Path is not easy - not at all............it needs lot of > > things which we can do but do not want to do. the problem is our > > knowledge here, our own mind, our thoughts, our selfishness, we do > > not want to see almighty in all. > > > > simple thing : > > > > when you cant love by heart n soul to those whom you can see and > you > > live with. > > > > Then how can you Love to whom , which you never seen. > > > > if you are able to love all by heart, then only you can clear Prep > or > > KG of Bhakti Marga. > > > > > > Rest ALL is MAYA. > > > > OM GYANINAMAPI CHETANSI DEVI BHAGVATI HI SA > > BALADAKRASHYA MOHAY MAHAMAYA PRAYACHATI. > > > > > > regards > > Niket > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Nikit, Raja > > > > > > well all the points covered here can be split into a few parts > > > > > > just like a good analysis, diagnosis and treatment has its own > > desired results > > > > > > so too a Mantra invokation, recitation will help in much better > way > > if it coming from a elderly person a GURU, or one of tohe two > parents > > done in the prescribed manner. > > > > > > Bhakti has its own dimension where it is unqualified devotion, > > irrespective of the challenges ones faith is steadfast and > > unwavering, the toad is rough but the DESTINATION is a beautiful > one > > if we See Dhruva, Markendaya, Prahalada, Hanuman, Annamacharya , > > Tyagaraja, Kabir, Tulsidas, Basaeshwara, Gnaneshwara, Sant Govind > > singh, Sri ramakrishna, Swami Vivekananda, Chaitanya prabhu, ramana > > Mahirishi and a the list is endless.. there is merit in every case. > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > astroiniket <nakshtraniket@> > > > > > > Thursday, January 1, 2009 2:32:47 PM > > > Re: swaha - why i am not agree > > > > > > > > > dear friends do not include Bhakti in my saying. excluding that : > > > > > > as you are taking med, you have faith in med or not - no matter - > > if > > > med is strong - and rightly prescribed - and diagnosed - you must > > see > > > or feel effect of med. > > > > > > same Mantras : if you follow Perfect process, you have faith or > > not - > > > no matter - your - (Selection of Mantra + process of Mantra + > > > Materiel + strong will+ focus on target) must give you desired > > result. > > > > > > I am agree one must need a guru to understand and perform all > this. > > > > > > BUT > > > > > > up to a certain level - horoscope - Grah (planets) - nakshtras - > > > knowledge - mantras - yantras - tantra is identified but their is > > one > > > more level beyond this level " Where all these things does not > have > > > any value - that is Bhakti. " > > > > > > in Bhakti nothing is required - Only unconditional love - rest is > > > Headache of almighty and belief me you never feel any need to ask > > any > > > thing. all will be taken care. and you will get all without doing > > any > > > thing. > > > > > > as shree Hanuman Got ashirwad from Maa " Ajar, Amar, Gun Nidhi, > Sut > > > tum Hoyu " ( o my sun you will be sea of all Gunas, Siddhis, > Nidhis, > > > all type of wealth, you will be immortal, you never be old, you > > will > > > be beyond time and it's control and effects) and see Lord hanuman > > is > > > able to give any thing. a lot of can be said. but all these > things > > > can be written in words. > > > > > > rgds > > > Niket > > > > > > , " Raja " <desi.raja@ ..> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I stand corrected. Case studies i assume can be as emipirical > > proof > > > > as any scientific verification. I was just attempting to > balance > > > the > > > > arguments. > > > > > > > > , " astroiniket " > > > > <nakshtraniket@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > dear Raja, > > > > > in what context you are asking to prove ? what you want to > > > verify ? > > > > > pls clear dot points. > > > > > > > > > > rgds > > > > > Niker > > > > > , " Raja " > <desi.raja@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > see , what you two have been discussing is theoritical > > science > > > > and > > > > > in > > > > > > no way it can empirically be verified hence there is no way > > for > > > > > > proving who is right and who is not. Different mind has > > > diffrent > > > > > > theories and it very well may lead to a single ultimate > > > > destination > > > > > > but how do we verify as no such method exist to verify. > > > > > > > > > > > > fascinating. I am glad that i joined this group. > > > > > > > > > > > > , " jk.dasgupta " > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I fully agree with you :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > []On Behalf Of > > > > astroiniket > > > > > > > Thursday, January 01, 2009 12:28 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: swaha - why i am not agree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my dear friend - some time knowledge is door of Haven, > > and > > > > some > > > > > > time > > > > > > > it is door of Hell. Depends. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as almighty is concern - no knowledge is required. as > > world > > > is > > > > > > > concern a lot of knowledge is also very very less. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kind regards > > > > > > > Niket > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . com, " jk.dasgupta " > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think Parashara and Neelakantha knows better than > us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What you are telling is perfectly alright - when > doing > > > puja > > > > > > without > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > vasana and just for spiritual progress. But when > > material > > > > > > progress > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > required, rules are different. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In your other mail you have mentioned that you have > all > > > the > > > > > > books. > > > > > > > Then you > > > > > > > > must be knowing more than me. I do not have those > > books, > > > > nor > > > > > I > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > Sanskrit. I only follow my Guru's words. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What you have mentioned about Dr. Srimali is your > > > personal > > > > > > openion. > > > > > > > I do not > > > > > > > > agree with it. I know him personally and got benefits. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I also do not follow the ideas of his > family > > > > > members > > > > > > > holding the > > > > > > > > reign. It is also my personal openion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > []On Behalf > Of > > > > > > astroiniket > > > > > > > > Thursday, January 01, 2009 12:02 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: swaha - why i am not agree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. " When you add OM, all doshas of the mantra is > > removed. " > > > > > > > > sir prefixing of Om cant remove any dosha of any > mantra > > > > there > > > > > > are > > > > > > > 32 > > > > > > > > dosha in mantra - which only can be removed by doing > > > perfect > > > > > > > vidhana. > > > > > > > > may see shloka in rgveda " asya mantrani karkam > > devhelnat " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. None of diety (form of almighty) is not bound only > > with > > > > > > > planets. > > > > > > > > as lord Hanuman was born on Tuesday so people > consider > > > him > > > > > lord > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > Mars, and few people consider Lord Kartikey also lord > > of > > > > > Mars. > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > actual it is nothing to do with Mars. Mars consider > as > > > > > > Bhumiputra > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > govern by self. Mars is self demi diety. see refrence > in > > > > > > > > samveda " nanvatenya angaraka bhumiputro shivasya > > > > saranchanam, > > > > > > tsya > > > > > > > > alokya...... may read full in original " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. All mantras have their own nature, yes agni Beez > > > mantra > > > > > cant > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > used with Jala Beez Mantra, but it can be used when > > Prana > > > > > > > pratishtha > > > > > > > > is needed for any mantra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. whom to worship for what - one has to worship only > > one > > > > form > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > one is his / her Ishta Devi or Devta. may be saakar > > rupa > > > or > > > > > > > nirakaar > > > > > > > > rupa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > their is nothing which your Ishta Dev or Devi cant > give > > > > you, > > > > > > when > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > leave your Isht and run here n their it means you > have > > > > doubt > > > > > in > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > or her powers, kindly remember Almighty is only one, > > have > > > > all > > > > > > > forms. > > > > > > > > Rama or krishna or hanuman or shakti or ganesha or > any > > > one > > > > > all > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > forms of one only one The Suprem Personality The > > Almighty > > > > God. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if one falls in Mantra then must know complete > Vidhana, > > > > > > otherwise > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > just simple Prayer, Prayer is one of the most > Powerful > > > tool > > > > in > > > > > > > hand > > > > > > > > of Human beings, Their all billions of people who > even > > > does > > > > > not > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > any Mantra, who even does not know Rama or Krishna, > > they > > > > > worship > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > almighty in other Form/s. most of people do only > prayer > > > on > > > > > this > > > > > > > earth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This all things only on your belief, what ever you > > > belief, > > > > it > > > > > > > comes > > > > > > > > in same reply. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in end - ANY ONE WHO TAKE ALMIGHTY'S NAME - ANY NAME - > > > OR > > > > > PRAY > > > > > > IN > > > > > > > ANY > > > > > > > > LANGUAGE OR FROM - MUST BLESSED. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THEIR IS NO END OF DEBAIT, IT ALL MANTRA YANTRA ALL > > THESE > > > > ARE > > > > > > > BELIEFE > > > > > > > > BASED ON ASTI OR NASTI ONLY. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WORSHIP OF ALMIGHTY DOES NOT NEED ANY THING, NO > MANTRA > > OR > > > > > YANTRA > > > > > > > IS > > > > > > > > NEEDED - WHEN YOU CALL HIM BY YOUR HEART AND SOUL IN > ANY > > > > > > > LANGUAGE - > > > > > > > > ALLWAYS ANSWERED - THE ONLY CONDITION YOU MUST BE > > CLEAN, > > > > > CLEAR, > > > > > > > PURE, > > > > > > > > THEN ONLY REPLY WILL COME VERY FAST > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (EXAMPLE : when you boil water , if water is clean, > > > clear, > > > > > pure > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > take few minutes to boil, BUT if water is too mudy > and > > > > impure > > > > > > and > > > > > > > mix > > > > > > > > of dirt or other things, it take long time to get > > boiled) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soul is like water, if it is clean , clear, pure, > your > > > > prayer > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > reply fast, but if it is not clean, clear, pure, > Reply > > > must > > > > > come > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > it will take it own time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By just chanting His/ Her name with unconditional > love > > > > > without > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > Vidhana, will clear your all karmas, your all > impurity > > > very > > > > > fast > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > you will be blessed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even Though people want to Proseed Mantras then they > > Must > > > > > know > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > about Mantra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > Niket > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . > com, " jk.dasgupta " > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raja, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you add OM, all doshas of the mantra is > removed. > > > > Else > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > are some > > > > > > > > > perticular methods to match the mantra with the > > native. > > > > > Else > > > > > > it > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > creat > > > > > > > > > havoc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you know if Lord Hanuman is at all > interested > > in > > > > > > > protecting > > > > > > > > you? Lord > > > > > > > > > Hanuman is represented by Mars. It all depends upon > > the > > > > > > > placement > > > > > > > > of Mars in > > > > > > > > > your chart. I know one case, where Mars was in 5H > and > > > he > > > > > > started > > > > > > > > chanting > > > > > > > > > Hanuman mantra. His home started trembling. Why? > > > because > > > > any > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > is maraka > > > > > > > > > of the 12th house from it. 12th from 5th is 4th > house > > > > which > > > > > is > > > > > > > jala > > > > > > > > tattwa. > > > > > > > > > And tattwa of Mars is agni. So you can understand > > what > > > > > > happened. > > > > > > > > Either agni > > > > > > > > > will get finished or jala will get finished. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are more things. You want protection from > > > shatrus. > > > > > None > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > do it > > > > > > > > > except your Palana Devata. It is denoted by the 6th > > > > planet > > > > > of > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > 6th lord > > > > > > > > > (if there is no planet) from Chara Amatma Karaka in > > > > Navamsa. > > > > > > > Also, > > > > > > > > If any > > > > > > > > > planet is sitting in 5th hose in rashi, that has > got > > > > power > > > > > to > > > > > > > make > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > dance - specially so, if it is in dusthana from > Lagna > > > > lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you want spiritual progress, it is your Ista who > > > will > > > > > help. > > > > > > > Ista > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > denoted by the planet in 12th House or the 12th > lord > > > (if > > > > > there > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > planet) from Chara Atma karaka. Which planet > denotes > > > which > > > > > > > diety are > > > > > > > > > explained in BPHS and Prashna Margam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you see, that it is not necessary that your wish > > > will > > > > be > > > > > > > > fullfilled by > > > > > > > > > just reciting a mantra. I know one case, by > reciting > > > ari- > > > > > > mantra, > > > > > > > > one lost > > > > > > > > > his only son. All these are to be seen while > > selecting > > > a > > > > > > mantra > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > person. These are all knowledges available in > > > paramparas > > > > > only. > > > > > > > Pt. > > > > > > > > Sanjay > > > > > > > > > Rath - in his book " Vedic Remedies in Astrology " > has > > > > brought > > > > > > > out in > > > > > > > > clarity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So it is always better to recite the prashiddha > > > mantras, > > > > > > unless > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > proper guidance. I will try to make a brief write > up > > on > > > > > > mantra, > > > > > > > > different > > > > > > > > > types and how to understand the effect of any > > > perticular > > > > > > mantra > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > post it > > > > > > > > > in the list - whenever i find some time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > []On > Behalf > > Of > > > Raja > > > > > > > > > Thursday, January 01, 2009 7:57 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: swaha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dasguptaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i dont understand. This is a hanuman mantra > supposed > > to > > > > > > protect > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > shatrus or rog etc so why do i have to be carefull? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you stating that it is doing opposite than what > i > > am > > > > > > > thinking > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > should? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If i remove OM from it, it becomes 5 word, does > that > > > mean > > > > > it'd > > > > > > > > > strengthen lagna from 5th house? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please shed some light. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > > > > > > raja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . > > com, " jk.dasgupta " > > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, but be carefull what you want. This is a 6 > > words > > > > and > > > > > 13 > > > > > > > > letter > > > > > > > > > mantra. > > > > > > > > > > That means it will draw energy from your > > shatrubhava > > > or > > > > > > > > rogabhava > > > > > > > > > and give > > > > > > > > > > result on yr lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > []On > > Behalf Of > > > > Raja > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, December 31, 2008 1:52 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: swaha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so is it ok to chant swaha mantra i.e.. om shri > > hari > > > > > > markatam > > > > > > > > > > markatay swaha... without any homam ahuti..? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . > > com, " jk.dasgupta " > > > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raja, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swaha and Swadha are two wives of Agni. Swaha > is > > > > > generalyy > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > offering > > > > > > > > > > > something to Devas or in homams and Swadha is > > used > > > in > > > > > > > sraddha > > > > > > > > > > karmas for > > > > > > > > > > > Pittris. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now there are many types of mantras. Two are > > main, > > > i.e > > > > > > > `Namah' > > > > > > > > > > mantras where > > > > > > > > > > > `Namah' is used at the end. These types of > > mantras > > > > are > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > surrender to the > > > > > > > > > > > lord. But mantras ending with `Swaha' are > > somewhat > > > > > forcing > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > Devata to > > > > > > > > > > > grant the result. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So `Namah' mantras are always better - as the > > Lord > > > > knows > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > best > > > > > > > > > > > suitable for us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > []On > > Behalf > > > Of > > > > > Raja > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, December 31, 2008 12:19 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > swaha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many mantras have " swaha " at the end of them. I > > > have > > > > > read > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > > > > during havana also that these kind of mantra > > > > > > requires " homa " > > > > > > > > > > (i.e.. > > > > > > > > > > > some sort of havan ahuti) while chanting yet > some > > > > > mantras > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > > > > are chanted with swaha on day to day basis > where > > > > there > > > > > is > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > havan. I > > > > > > > > > > > wanted to ask learned ones' opinion about this > > > matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 Respected Rohiniranjan ji, Do you remember Santiago ? The protagonist of 'Old Man and the Sea' by E. Hemingway. Santiago's entire village considered him a 'crazy old man' I love and admire the Old Man; crazy or otherwise. I consider him an epitome of self actualisation. With respect, Girish Raheja , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan wrote: > > I hope the madman did not start (=stir) another bout of 32 Hz > activity that makes Yogis hop and levitate! > > Sorry!! > > RR > > , " jk.dasgupta " > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > Dear RRji, > > > > What Niket is talking, I think is the path of getting moksha. In > kaliyuga > > real bhakti is rare and moksha is very difficult. > > > > Kaliyuga is ruled by Rahu and in this yuga only rules laid by Sri > Krishna, > > in Mahabharata and Geeta will pull us out from the sufferings > injected by > > Rahu - the Kaal naaga. Who else other that Sri Krishan can control > the > > dangerous sarpa called Kaaliya? > > > > Who comes to an astrologer if he is not suffering in this life? He > who is > > enjoying or passing through a good time, has no time to visit an > astrologer. > > He who is in the path of moksha, does not require an astrologer - as > > tomorrow has no meaning for them. > > > > Many people come to me asking " when I can get moksha? " . This > question points > > towards their frustation in life. My simple answer to them always > is - one > > should never try to run away from the sufferings of this life, > rectify it > > properly, complete the bhogas in totality whether good or bad. > Moksha will > > come in its own course. > > > > Let us be honest and accept that, we are all bhogis and we all > aspire for > > prosperity and happiness in this life, including myself :-). We all > aspire > > for bhogas of Rahu. > > > > Regards > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Rohiniranjan > > Friday, January 02, 2009 9:47 AM > > > > Re: All is Maya - > > > > > > Dear Niket-ji, > > > > The " crazy madman " -- as Aadarniya Sunil ji chose to call me > > recently -- disagrees! > > > > Even Tapa and Saadhanaa require FAITH! In the Teacher and the > > Teaching of the Ritual! > > > > Even " experimentation " and 'improvisation', the next step, of what > > was learned through a Guru requires Faith! Faith in oneself and > one's > > learning. Often miscomprehended by critics as " EGO " -- all it > > represents really is a personal resolve that says, 'I have chosen > the > > path and taken the first step; now may the destination teach me > how > > to proceed!' > > > > So there is really ONE option and one path! :-) > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , " astroiniket " > > <nakshtraniket@> wrote: > > > > > > Yes dear Prashantji, as i have already posted in my privious > posts > > > few months back : > > > > > > if one want to achive his target their are only 2 ways. > > > > > > 1. first is Tapa or Sadhna in which 100% proces + Knowledge + > Focus > > + > > > System + Method Required and it is based on Mantra - doer will > get > > > 100% sure Results as wanted, no value of Faith here. becoz here > > > system is working. > > > > > > > > > 2. Second path is Bhakti: nothing is required, only > unconditional > > > love and 100% devotion, Blind faith, Required, and the Person > must > > be > > > able to give desired things to others. > > > > > > > > > the diffrence is on first way you get what you want, BUT on > second > > > path you get all withoust asking, even more then that, as well > as > > you > > > also able to give desired things to Others. you got powers of > > > almighty. > > > > > > > > > Choice is ours, First way is Easy for those who have strong will > > > power, and fire to achive their worldly things. > > > > > > > > > Second Path is not easy - not at all............it needs lot of > > > things which we can do but do not want to do. the problem is our > > > knowledge here, our own mind, our thoughts, our selfishness, we > do > > > not want to see almighty in all. > > > > > > simple thing : > > > > > > when you cant love by heart n soul to those whom you can see and > > you > > > live with. > > > > > > Then how can you Love to whom , which you never seen. > > > > > > if you are able to love all by heart, then only you can clear > Prep > > or > > > KG of Bhakti Marga. > > > > > > > > > Rest ALL is MAYA. > > > > > > OM GYANINAMAPI CHETANSI DEVI BHAGVATI HI SA > > > BALADAKRASHYA MOHAY MAHAMAYA PRAYACHATI. > > > > > > > > > regards > > > Niket > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Nikit, Raja > > > > > > > > well all the points covered here can be split into a few parts > > > > > > > > just like a good analysis, diagnosis and treatment has its own > > > desired results > > > > > > > > so too a Mantra invokation, recitation will help in much > better > > way > > > if it coming from a elderly person a GURU, or one of tohe two > > parents > > > done in the prescribed manner. > > > > > > > > Bhakti has its own dimension where it is unqualified devotion, > > > irrespective of the challenges ones faith is steadfast and > > > unwavering, the toad is rough but the DESTINATION is a beautiful > > one > > > if we See Dhruva, Markendaya, Prahalada, Hanuman, Annamacharya , > > > Tyagaraja, Kabir, Tulsidas, Basaeshwara, Gnaneshwara, Sant > Govind > > > singh, Sri ramakrishna, Swami Vivekananda, Chaitanya prabhu, > ramana > > > Mahirishi and a the list is endless.. there is merit in every > case. > > > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > astroiniket <nakshtraniket@> > > > > > > > > Thursday, January 1, 2009 2:32:47 PM > > > > Re: swaha - why i am not agree > > > > > > > > > > > > dear friends do not include Bhakti in my saying. excluding > that : > > > > > > > > as you are taking med, you have faith in med or not - no > matter - > > > if > > > > med is strong - and rightly prescribed - and diagnosed - you > must > > > see > > > > or feel effect of med. > > > > > > > > same Mantras : if you follow Perfect process, you have faith > or > > > not - > > > > no matter - your - (Selection of Mantra + process of Mantra + > > > > Materiel + strong will+ focus on target) must give you desired > > > result. > > > > > > > > I am agree one must need a guru to understand and perform all > > this. > > > > > > > > BUT > > > > > > > > up to a certain level - horoscope - Grah (planets) - > nakshtras - > > > > knowledge - mantras - yantras - tantra is identified but > their is > > > one > > > > more level beyond this level " Where all these things does not > > have > > > > any value - that is Bhakti. " > > > > > > > > in Bhakti nothing is required - Only unconditional love - > rest is > > > > Headache of almighty and belief me you never feel any need to > ask > > > any > > > > thing. all will be taken care. and you will get all without > doing > > > any > > > > thing. > > > > > > > > as shree Hanuman Got ashirwad from Maa " Ajar, Amar, Gun > Nidhi, > > Sut > > > > tum Hoyu " ( o my sun you will be sea of all Gunas, Siddhis, > > Nidhis, > > > > all type of wealth, you will be immortal, you never be old, > you > > > will > > > > be beyond time and it's control and effects) and see Lord > hanuman > > > is > > > > able to give any thing. a lot of can be said. but all these > > things > > > > can be written in words. > > > > > > > > rgds > > > > Niket > > > > > > > > , " Raja " > <desi.raja@ ..> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I stand corrected. Case studies i assume can be as > emipirical > > > proof > > > > > as any scientific verification. I was just attempting to > > balance > > > > the > > > > > arguments. > > > > > > > > > > , " astroiniket " > > > > > <nakshtraniket@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > dear Raja, > > > > > > in what context you are asking to prove ? what you want to > > > > verify ? > > > > > > pls clear dot points. > > > > > > > > > > > > rgds > > > > > > Niker > > > > > > , " Raja " > > <desi.raja@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see , what you two have been discussing is theoritical > > > science > > > > > and > > > > > > in > > > > > > > no way it can empirically be verified hence there is no > way > > > for > > > > > > > proving who is right and who is not. Different mind has > > > > diffrent > > > > > > > theories and it very well may lead to a single ultimate > > > > > destination > > > > > > > but how do we verify as no such method exist to verify. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fascinating. I am glad that i joined this group. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . com, " jk.dasgupta " > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I fully agree with you :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > []On Behalf > Of > > > > > astroiniket > > > > > > > > Thursday, January 01, 2009 12:28 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: swaha - why i am not agree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my dear friend - some time knowledge is door of Haven, > > > and > > > > > some > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > it is door of Hell. Depends. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as almighty is concern - no knowledge is required. as > > > world > > > > is > > > > > > > > concern a lot of knowledge is also very very less. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kind regards > > > > > > > > Niket > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . > com, " jk.dasgupta " > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think Parashara and Neelakantha knows better than > > us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What you are telling is perfectly alright - when > > doing > > > > puja > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > vasana and just for spiritual progress. But when > > > material > > > > > > > progress > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > required, rules are different. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In your other mail you have mentioned that you have > > all > > > > the > > > > > > > books. > > > > > > > > Then you > > > > > > > > > must be knowing more than me. I do not have those > > > books, > > > > > nor > > > > > > I > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > Sanskrit. I only follow my Guru's words. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What you have mentioned about Dr. Srimali is your > > > > personal > > > > > > > openion. > > > > > > > > I do not > > > > > > > > > agree with it. I know him personally and got > benefits. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I also do not follow the ideas of his > > family > > > > > > members > > > > > > > > holding the > > > > > > > > > reign. It is also my personal openion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > []On Behalf > > Of > > > > > > > astroiniket > > > > > > > > > Thursday, January 01, 2009 12:02 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: swaha - why i am not agree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. " When you add OM, all doshas of the mantra is > > > removed. " > > > > > > > > > sir prefixing of Om cant remove any dosha of any > > mantra > > > > > there > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > 32 > > > > > > > > > dosha in mantra - which only can be removed by doing > > > > perfect > > > > > > > > vidhana. > > > > > > > > > may see shloka in rgveda " asya mantrani karkam > > > devhelnat " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. None of diety (form of almighty) is not bound > only > > > with > > > > > > > > planets. > > > > > > > > > as lord Hanuman was born on Tuesday so people > > consider > > > > him > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > Mars, and few people consider Lord Kartikey also > lord > > > of > > > > > > Mars. > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > actual it is nothing to do with Mars. Mars consider > > as > > > > > > > Bhumiputra > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > govern by self. Mars is self demi diety. see > refrence > > in > > > > > > > > > samveda " nanvatenya angaraka bhumiputro shivasya > > > > > saranchanam, > > > > > > > tsya > > > > > > > > > alokya...... may read full in original " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. All mantras have their own nature, yes agni Beez > > > > mantra > > > > > > cant > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > used with Jala Beez Mantra, but it can be used when > > > Prana > > > > > > > > pratishtha > > > > > > > > > is needed for any mantra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. whom to worship for what - one has to worship > only > > > one > > > > > form > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > one is his / her Ishta Devi or Devta. may be saakar > > > rupa > > > > or > > > > > > > > nirakaar > > > > > > > > > rupa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > their is nothing which your Ishta Dev or Devi cant > > give > > > > > you, > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > leave your Isht and run here n their it means you > > have > > > > > doubt > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > or her powers, kindly remember Almighty is only one, > > > have > > > > > all > > > > > > > > forms. > > > > > > > > > Rama or krishna or hanuman or shakti or ganesha or > > any > > > > one > > > > > > all > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > forms of one only one The Suprem Personality The > > > Almighty > > > > > God. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if one falls in Mantra then must know complete > > Vidhana, > > > > > > > otherwise > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > just simple Prayer, Prayer is one of the most > > Powerful > > > > tool > > > > > in > > > > > > > > hand > > > > > > > > > of Human beings, Their all billions of people who > > even > > > > does > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > any Mantra, who even does not know Rama or Krishna, > > > they > > > > > > worship > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > almighty in other Form/s. most of people do only > > prayer > > > > on > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > earth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This all things only on your belief, what ever you > > > > belief, > > > > > it > > > > > > > > comes > > > > > > > > > in same reply. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in end - ANY ONE WHO TAKE ALMIGHTY'S NAME - ANY > NAME - > > > > > OR > > > > > > PRAY > > > > > > > IN > > > > > > > > ANY > > > > > > > > > LANGUAGE OR FROM - MUST BLESSED. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THEIR IS NO END OF DEBAIT, IT ALL MANTRA YANTRA ALL > > > THESE > > > > > ARE > > > > > > > > BELIEFE > > > > > > > > > BASED ON ASTI OR NASTI ONLY. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WORSHIP OF ALMIGHTY DOES NOT NEED ANY THING, NO > > MANTRA > > > OR > > > > > > YANTRA > > > > > > > > IS > > > > > > > > > NEEDED - WHEN YOU CALL HIM BY YOUR HEART AND SOUL IN > > ANY > > > > > > > > LANGUAGE - > > > > > > > > > ALLWAYS ANSWERED - THE ONLY CONDITION YOU MUST BE > > > CLEAN, > > > > > > CLEAR, > > > > > > > > PURE, > > > > > > > > > THEN ONLY REPLY WILL COME VERY FAST > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (EXAMPLE : when you boil water , if water is clean, > > > > clear, > > > > > > pure > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > take few minutes to boil, BUT if water is too mudy > > and > > > > > impure > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > mix > > > > > > > > > of dirt or other things, it take long time to get > > > boiled) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soul is like water, if it is clean , clear, pure, > > your > > > > > prayer > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > reply fast, but if it is not clean, clear, pure, > > Reply > > > > must > > > > > > come > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > it will take it own time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By just chanting His/ Her name with unconditional > > love > > > > > > without > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > Vidhana, will clear your all karmas, your all > > impurity > > > > very > > > > > > fast > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > you will be blessed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even Though people want to Proseed Mantras then they > > > Must > > > > > > know > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > about Mantra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > Niket > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . > > com, " jk.dasgupta " > > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raja, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you add OM, all doshas of the mantra is > > removed. > > > > > Else > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > are some > > > > > > > > > > perticular methods to match the mantra with the > > > native. > > > > > > Else > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > creat > > > > > > > > > > havoc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you know if Lord Hanuman is at all > > interested > > > in > > > > > > > > protecting > > > > > > > > > you? Lord > > > > > > > > > > Hanuman is represented by Mars. It all depends > upon > > > the > > > > > > > > placement > > > > > > > > > of Mars in > > > > > > > > > > your chart. I know one case, where Mars was in 5H > > and > > > > he > > > > > > > started > > > > > > > > > chanting > > > > > > > > > > Hanuman mantra. His home started trembling. Why? > > > > because > > > > > any > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > is maraka > > > > > > > > > > of the 12th house from it. 12th from 5th is 4th > > house > > > > > which > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > jala > > > > > > > > > tattwa. > > > > > > > > > > And tattwa of Mars is agni. So you can understand > > > what > > > > > > > happened. > > > > > > > > > Either agni > > > > > > > > > > will get finished or jala will get finished. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are more things. You want protection from > > > > shatrus. > > > > > > None > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > do it > > > > > > > > > > except your Palana Devata. It is denoted by the > 6th > > > > > planet > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > 6th lord > > > > > > > > > > (if there is no planet) from Chara Amatma Karaka > in > > > > > Navamsa. > > > > > > > > Also, > > > > > > > > > If any > > > > > > > > > > planet is sitting in 5th hose in rashi, that has > > got > > > > > power > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > make > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > dance - specially so, if it is in dusthana from > > Lagna > > > > > lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you want spiritual progress, it is your Ista > who > > > > will > > > > > > help. > > > > > > > > Ista > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > denoted by the planet in 12th House or the 12th > > lord > > > > (if > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > planet) from Chara Atma karaka. Which planet > > denotes > > > > which > > > > > > > > diety are > > > > > > > > > > explained in BPHS and Prashna Margam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you see, that it is not necessary that your > wish > > > > will > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > fullfilled by > > > > > > > > > > just reciting a mantra. I know one case, by > > reciting > > > > ari- > > > > > > > mantra, > > > > > > > > > one lost > > > > > > > > > > his only son. All these are to be seen while > > > selecting > > > > a > > > > > > > mantra > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > person. These are all knowledges available in > > > > paramparas > > > > > > only. > > > > > > > > Pt. > > > > > > > > > Sanjay > > > > > > > > > > Rath - in his book " Vedic Remedies in Astrology " > > has > > > > > brought > > > > > > > > out in > > > > > > > > > clarity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So it is always better to recite the prashiddha > > > > mantras, > > > > > > > unless > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > proper guidance. I will try to make a brief write > > up > > > on > > > > > > > mantra, > > > > > > > > > different > > > > > > > > > > types and how to understand the effect of any > > > > perticular > > > > > > > mantra > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > post it > > > > > > > > > > in the list - whenever i find some time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > []On > > Behalf > > > Of > > > > Raja > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, January 01, 2009 7:57 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: swaha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dasguptaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i dont understand. This is a hanuman mantra > > supposed > > > to > > > > > > > protect > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > shatrus or rog etc so why do i have to be > carefull? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you stating that it is doing opposite than > what > > i > > > am > > > > > > > > thinking > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > should? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If i remove OM from it, it becomes 5 word, does > > that > > > > mean > > > > > > it'd > > > > > > > > > > strengthen lagna from 5th house? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please shed some light. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > > > > > > > raja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . > > > com, " jk.dasgupta " > > > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, but be carefull what you want. This is a 6 > > > words > > > > > and > > > > > > 13 > > > > > > > > > letter > > > > > > > > > > mantra. > > > > > > > > > > > That means it will draw energy from your > > > shatrubhava > > > > or > > > > > > > > > rogabhava > > > > > > > > > > and give > > > > > > > > > > > result on yr lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > []On > > > Behalf Of > > > > > Raja > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, December 31, 2008 1:52 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: swaha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so is it ok to chant swaha mantra i.e.. om shri > > > hari > > > > > > > markatam > > > > > > > > > > > markatay swaha... without any homam ahuti..? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . > > > com, " jk.dasgupta " > > > > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raja, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swaha and Swadha are two wives of Agni. Swaha > > is > > > > > > generalyy > > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > offering > > > > > > > > > > > > something to Devas or in homams and Swadha is > > > used > > > > in > > > > > > > > sraddha > > > > > > > > > > > karmas for > > > > > > > > > > > > Pittris. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now there are many types of mantras. Two are > > > main, > > > > i.e > > > > > > > > `Namah' > > > > > > > > > > > mantras where > > > > > > > > > > > > `Namah' is used at the end. These types of > > > mantras > > > > > are > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > surrender to the > > > > > > > > > > > > lord. But mantras ending with `Swaha' are > > > somewhat > > > > > > forcing > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > Devata to > > > > > > > > > > > > grant the result. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So `Namah' mantras are always better - as the > > > Lord > > > > > knows > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > best > > > > > > > > > > > > suitable for us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [] On > > > Behalf > > > > Of > > > > > > Raja > > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, December 31, 2008 12:19 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > swaha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many mantras have " swaha " at the end of them. > I > > > > have > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > > > > > during havana also that these kind of mantra > > > > > > > requires " homa " > > > > > > > > > > > (i.e.. > > > > > > > > > > > > some sort of havan ahuti) while chanting yet > > some > > > > > > mantras > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > > > > > are chanted with swaha on day to day basis > > where > > > > > there > > > > > > is > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > havan. 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Guest guest Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 While I *love* your posting and admiration, the word that really bothers me in your message is, " Village! " RR , " girish_raheja " <girish_raheja wrote: > > Respected Rohiniranjan ji, > > Do you remember Santiago ? > > The protagonist of 'Old Man and the Sea' by E. Hemingway. Santiago's > entire village considered him a 'crazy old man' > > I love and admire the Old Man; crazy or otherwise. I consider him an > epitome of self actualisation. > > With respect, > > Girish Raheja > > , " Rohiniranjan " > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > I hope the madman did not start (=stir) another bout of 32 Hz > > activity that makes Yogis hop and levitate! > > > > Sorry!! > > > > RR > > > > , " jk.dasgupta " > > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear RRji, > > > > > > What Niket is talking, I think is the path of getting moksha. In > > kaliyuga > > > real bhakti is rare and moksha is very difficult. > > > > > > Kaliyuga is ruled by Rahu and in this yuga only rules laid by Sri > > Krishna, > > > in Mahabharata and Geeta will pull us out from the sufferings > > injected by > > > Rahu - the Kaal naaga. Who else other that Sri Krishan can > control > > the > > > dangerous sarpa called Kaaliya? > > > > > > Who comes to an astrologer if he is not suffering in this life? > He > > who is > > > enjoying or passing through a good time, has no time to visit an > > astrologer. > > > He who is in the path of moksha, does not require an astrologer - > as > > > tomorrow has no meaning for them. > > > > > > Many people come to me asking " when I can get moksha? " . This > > question points > > > towards their frustation in life. My simple answer to them always > > is - one > > > should never try to run away from the sufferings of this life, > > rectify it > > > properly, complete the bhogas in totality whether good or bad. > > Moksha will > > > come in its own course. > > > > > > Let us be honest and accept that, we are all bhogis and we all > > aspire for > > > prosperity and happiness in this life, including myself :-). We > all > > aspire > > > for bhogas of Rahu. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Rohiniranjan > > > Friday, January 02, 2009 9:47 AM > > > > > > Re: All is Maya - > > > > > > > > > Dear Niket-ji, > > > > > > The " crazy madman " -- as Aadarniya Sunil ji chose to call me > > > recently -- disagrees! > > > > > > Even Tapa and Saadhanaa require FAITH! In the Teacher and the > > > Teaching of the Ritual! > > > > > > Even " experimentation " and 'improvisation', the next step, of > what > > > was learned through a Guru requires Faith! Faith in oneself and > > one's > > > learning. Often miscomprehended by critics as " EGO " -- all it > > > represents really is a personal resolve that says, 'I have > chosen > > the > > > path and taken the first step; now may the destination teach me > > how > > > to proceed!' > > > > > > So there is really ONE option and one path! :-) > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > , " astroiniket " > > > <nakshtraniket@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Yes dear Prashantji, as i have already posted in my privious > > posts > > > > few months back : > > > > > > > > if one want to achive his target their are only 2 ways. > > > > > > > > 1. first is Tapa or Sadhna in which 100% proces + Knowledge + > > Focus > > > + > > > > System + Method Required and it is based on Mantra - doer > will > > get > > > > 100% sure Results as wanted, no value of Faith here. becoz > here > > > > system is working. > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Second path is Bhakti: nothing is required, only > > unconditional > > > > love and 100% devotion, Blind faith, Required, and the Person > > must > > > be > > > > able to give desired things to others. > > > > > > > > > > > > the diffrence is on first way you get what you want, BUT on > > second > > > > path you get all withoust asking, even more then that, as > well > > as > > > you > > > > also able to give desired things to Others. you got powers of > > > > almighty. > > > > > > > > > > > > Choice is ours, First way is Easy for those who have strong > will > > > > power, and fire to achive their worldly things. > > > > > > > > > > > > Second Path is not easy - not at all............it needs lot > of > > > > things which we can do but do not want to do. the problem is > our > > > > knowledge here, our own mind, our thoughts, our selfishness, > we > > do > > > > not want to see almighty in all. > > > > > > > > simple thing : > > > > > > > > when you cant love by heart n soul to those whom you can see > and > > > you > > > > live with. > > > > > > > > Then how can you Love to whom , which you never seen. > > > > > > > > if you are able to love all by heart, then only you can clear > > Prep > > > or > > > > KG of Bhakti Marga. > > > > > > > > > > > > Rest ALL is MAYA. > > > > > > > > OM GYANINAMAPI CHETANSI DEVI BHAGVATI HI SA > > > > BALADAKRASHYA MOHAY MAHAMAYA PRAYACHATI. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > Niket > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nikit, Raja > > > > > > > > > > well all the points covered here can be split into a few > parts > > > > > > > > > > just like a good analysis, diagnosis and treatment has its > own > > > > desired results > > > > > > > > > > so too a Mantra invokation, recitation will help in much > > better > > > way > > > > if it coming from a elderly person a GURU, or one of tohe two > > > parents > > > > done in the prescribed manner. > > > > > > > > > > Bhakti has its own dimension where it is unqualified > devotion, > > > > irrespective of the challenges ones faith is steadfast and > > > > unwavering, the toad is rough but the DESTINATION is a > beautiful > > > one > > > > if we See Dhruva, Markendaya, Prahalada, Hanuman, > Annamacharya , > > > > Tyagaraja, Kabir, Tulsidas, Basaeshwara, Gnaneshwara, Sant > > Govind > > > > singh, Sri ramakrishna, Swami Vivekananda, Chaitanya prabhu, > > ramana > > > > Mahirishi and a the list is endless.. there is merit in every > > case. > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > astroiniket <nakshtraniket@> > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, January 1, 2009 2:32:47 PM > > > > > Re: swaha - why i am not agree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear friends do not include Bhakti in my saying. excluding > > that : > > > > > > > > > > as you are taking med, you have faith in med or not - no > > matter - > > > > if > > > > > med is strong - and rightly prescribed - and diagnosed - > you > > must > > > > see > > > > > or feel effect of med. > > > > > > > > > > same Mantras : if you follow Perfect process, you have > faith > > or > > > > not - > > > > > no matter - your - (Selection of Mantra + process of Mantra > + > > > > > Materiel + strong will+ focus on target) must give you > desired > > > > result. > > > > > > > > > > I am agree one must need a guru to understand and perform > all > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > BUT > > > > > > > > > > up to a certain level - horoscope - Grah (planets) - > > nakshtras - > > > > > knowledge - mantras - yantras - tantra is identified but > > their is > > > > one > > > > > more level beyond this level " Where all these things does > not > > > have > > > > > any value - that is Bhakti. " > > > > > > > > > > in Bhakti nothing is required - Only unconditional love - > > rest is > > > > > Headache of almighty and belief me you never feel any need > to > > ask > > > > any > > > > > thing. all will be taken care. and you will get all without > > doing > > > > any > > > > > thing. > > > > > > > > > > as shree Hanuman Got ashirwad from Maa " Ajar, Amar, Gun > > Nidhi, > > > Sut > > > > > tum Hoyu " ( o my sun you will be sea of all Gunas, Siddhis, > > > Nidhis, > > > > > all type of wealth, you will be immortal, you never be old, > > you > > > > will > > > > > be beyond time and it's control and effects) and see Lord > > hanuman > > > > is > > > > > able to give any thing. a lot of can be said. but all these > > > things > > > > > can be written in words. > > > > > > > > > > rgds > > > > > Niket > > > > > > > > > > , " Raja " > > <desi.raja@ ..> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I stand corrected. Case studies i assume can be as > > emipirical > > > > proof > > > > > > as any scientific verification. I was just attempting to > > > balance > > > > > the > > > > > > arguments. > > > > > > > > > > > > , " astroiniket " > > > > > > <nakshtraniket@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear Raja, > > > > > > > in what context you are asking to prove ? what you want > to > > > > > verify ? > > > > > > > pls clear dot points. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rgds > > > > > > > Niker > > > > > > > , " Raja " > > > <desi.raja@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see , what you two have been discussing is theoritical > > > > science > > > > > > and > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > no way it can empirically be verified hence there is > no > > way > > > > for > > > > > > > > proving who is right and who is not. Different mind > has > > > > > diffrent > > > > > > > > theories and it very well may lead to a single > ultimate > > > > > > destination > > > > > > > > but how do we verify as no such method exist to > verify. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fascinating. I am glad that i joined this group. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . > com, " jk.dasgupta " > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I fully agree with you :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > []On > Behalf > > Of > > > > > > astroiniket > > > > > > > > > Thursday, January 01, 2009 12:28 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: swaha - why i am not agree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my dear friend - some time knowledge is door of > Haven, > > > > and > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > it is door of Hell. Depends. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as almighty is concern - no knowledge is required. > as > > > > world > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > concern a lot of knowledge is also very very less. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kind regards > > > > > > > > > Niket > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . > > com, " jk.dasgupta " > > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think Parashara and Neelakantha knows better > than > > > us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What you are telling is perfectly alright - when > > > doing > > > > > puja > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > vasana and just for spiritual progress. But when > > > > material > > > > > > > > progress > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > required, rules are different. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In your other mail you have mentioned that you > have > > > all > > > > > the > > > > > > > > books. > > > > > > > > > Then you > > > > > > > > > > must be knowing more than me. I do not have those > > > > books, > > > > > > nor > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > Sanskrit. I only follow my Guru's words. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What you have mentioned about Dr. Srimali is your > > > > > personal > > > > > > > > openion. > > > > > > > > > I do not > > > > > > > > > > agree with it. I know him personally and got > > benefits. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I also do not follow the ideas of his > > > family > > > > > > > members > > > > > > > > > holding the > > > > > > > > > > reign. It is also my personal openion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > []On > Behalf > > > Of > > > > > > > > astroiniket > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, January 01, 2009 12:02 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: swaha - why i am not agree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. " When you add OM, all doshas of the mantra is > > > > removed. " > > > > > > > > > > sir prefixing of Om cant remove any dosha of any > > > mantra > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > 32 > > > > > > > > > > dosha in mantra - which only can be removed by > doing > > > > > perfect > > > > > > > > > vidhana. > > > > > > > > > > may see shloka in rgveda " asya mantrani karkam > > > > devhelnat " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. None of diety (form of almighty) is not bound > > only > > > > with > > > > > > > > > planets. > > > > > > > > > > as lord Hanuman was born on Tuesday so people > > > consider > > > > > him > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > Mars, and few people consider Lord Kartikey also > > lord > > > > of > > > > > > > Mars. > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > actual it is nothing to do with Mars. Mars > consider > > > as > > > > > > > > Bhumiputra > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > govern by self. Mars is self demi diety. see > > refrence > > > in > > > > > > > > > > samveda " nanvatenya angaraka bhumiputro shivasya > > > > > > saranchanam, > > > > > > > > tsya > > > > > > > > > > alokya...... may read full in original " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. All mantras have their own nature, yes agni > Beez > > > > > mantra > > > > > > > cant > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > used with Jala Beez Mantra, but it can be used > when > > > > Prana > > > > > > > > > pratishtha > > > > > > > > > > is needed for any mantra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. whom to worship for what - one has to worship > > only > > > > one > > > > > > form > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > one is his / her Ishta Devi or Devta. may be > saakar > > > > rupa > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > nirakaar > > > > > > > > > > rupa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > their is nothing which your Ishta Dev or Devi cant > > > give > > > > > > you, > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > leave your Isht and run here n their it means you > > > have > > > > > > doubt > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > or her powers, kindly remember Almighty is only > one, > > > > have > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > forms. > > > > > > > > > > Rama or krishna or hanuman or shakti or ganesha or > > > any > > > > > one > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > forms of one only one The Suprem Personality The > > > > Almighty > > > > > > God. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if one falls in Mantra then must know complete > > > Vidhana, > > > > > > > > otherwise > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > just simple Prayer, Prayer is one of the most > > > Powerful > > > > > tool > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > hand > > > > > > > > > > of Human beings, Their all billions of people who > > > even > > > > > does > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > any Mantra, who even does not know Rama or > Krishna, > > > > they > > > > > > > worship > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > almighty in other Form/s. most of people do only > > > prayer > > > > > on > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > earth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This all things only on your belief, what ever you > > > > > belief, > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > comes > > > > > > > > > > in same reply. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in end - ANY ONE WHO TAKE ALMIGHTY'S NAME - ANY > > NAME - > > > > > > > OR > > > > > > > PRAY > > > > > > > > IN > > > > > > > > > ANY > > > > > > > > > > LANGUAGE OR FROM - MUST BLESSED. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THEIR IS NO END OF DEBAIT, IT ALL MANTRA YANTRA > ALL > > > > THESE > > > > > > ARE > > > > > > > > > BELIEFE > > > > > > > > > > BASED ON ASTI OR NASTI ONLY. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WORSHIP OF ALMIGHTY DOES NOT NEED ANY THING, NO > > > MANTRA > > > > OR > > > > > > > YANTRA > > > > > > > > > IS > > > > > > > > > > NEEDED - WHEN YOU CALL HIM BY YOUR HEART AND SOUL > IN > > > ANY > > > > > > > > > LANGUAGE - > > > > > > > > > > ALLWAYS ANSWERED - THE ONLY CONDITION YOU MUST BE > > > > CLEAN, > > > > > > > CLEAR, > > > > > > > > > PURE, > > > > > > > > > > THEN ONLY REPLY WILL COME VERY FAST > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (EXAMPLE : when you boil water , if water is > clean, > > > > > clear, > > > > > > > pure > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > take few minutes to boil, BUT if water is too mudy > > > and > > > > > > impure > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > mix > > > > > > > > > > of dirt or other things, it take long time to get > > > > boiled) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soul is like water, if it is clean , clear, pure, > > > your > > > > > > prayer > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > reply fast, but if it is not clean, clear, pure, > > > Reply > > > > > must > > > > > > > come > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > it will take it own time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By just chanting His/ Her name with unconditional > > > love > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > Vidhana, will clear your all karmas, your all > > > impurity > > > > > very > > > > > > > fast > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > you will be blessed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even Though people want to Proseed Mantras then > they > > > > Must > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > about Mantra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > Niket > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . > > > com, " jk.dasgupta " > > > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raja, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you add OM, all doshas of the mantra is > > > removed. > > > > > > Else > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > are some > > > > > > > > > > > perticular methods to match the mantra with the > > > > native. > > > > > > > Else > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > creat > > > > > > > > > > > havoc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you know if Lord Hanuman is at all > > > interested > > > > in > > > > > > > > > protecting > > > > > > > > > > you? Lord > > > > > > > > > > > Hanuman is represented by Mars. It all depends > > upon > > > > the > > > > > > > > > placement > > > > > > > > > > of Mars in > > > > > > > > > > > your chart. I know one case, where Mars was in > 5H > > > and > > > > > he > > > > > > > > started > > > > > > > > > > chanting > > > > > > > > > > > Hanuman mantra. His home started trembling. Why? > > > > > because > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > is maraka > > > > > > > > > > > of the 12th house from it. 12th from 5th is 4th > > > house > > > > > > which > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > jala > > > > > > > > > > tattwa. > > > > > > > > > > > And tattwa of Mars is agni. So you can > understand > > > > what > > > > > > > > happened. > > > > > > > > > > Either agni > > > > > > > > > > > will get finished or jala will get finished. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are more things. You want protection from > > > > > shatrus. > > > > > > > None > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > do it > > > > > > > > > > > except your Palana Devata. It is denoted by the > > 6th > > > > > > planet > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > 6th lord > > > > > > > > > > > (if there is no planet) from Chara Amatma > Karaka > > in > > > > > > Navamsa. > > > > > > > > > Also, > > > > > > > > > > If any > > > > > > > > > > > planet is sitting in 5th hose in rashi, that has > > > got > > > > > > power > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > make > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > dance - specially so, if it is in dusthana from > > > Lagna > > > > > > lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you want spiritual progress, it is your Ista > > who > > > > > will > > > > > > > help. > > > > > > > > > Ista > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > denoted by the planet in 12th House or the 12th > > > lord > > > > > (if > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > planet) from Chara Atma karaka. Which planet > > > denotes > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > diety are > > > > > > > > > > > explained in BPHS and Prashna Margam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you see, that it is not necessary that your > > wish > > > > > will > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > fullfilled by > > > > > > > > > > > just reciting a mantra. I know one case, by > > > reciting > > > > > ari- > > > > > > > > mantra, > > > > > > > > > > one lost > > > > > > > > > > > his only son. All these are to be seen while > > > > selecting > > > > > a > > > > > > > > mantra > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > person. These are all knowledges available in > > > > > paramparas > > > > > > > only. > > > > > > > > > Pt. > > > > > > > > > > Sanjay > > > > > > > > > > > Rath - in his book " Vedic Remedies in Astrology " > > > has > > > > > > brought > > > > > > > > > out in > > > > > > > > > > clarity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So it is always better to recite the prashiddha > > > > > mantras, > > > > > > > > unless > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > proper guidance. I will try to make a brief > write > > > up > > > > on > > > > > > > > mantra, > > > > > > > > > > different > > > > > > > > > > > types and how to understand the effect of any > > > > > perticular > > > > > > > > mantra > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > post it > > > > > > > > > > > in the list - whenever i find some time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > []On > > > Behalf > > > > Of > > > > > Raja > > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, January 01, 2009 7:57 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: swaha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dasguptaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i dont understand. This is a hanuman mantra > > > supposed > > > > to > > > > > > > > protect > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > shatrus or rog etc so why do i have to be > > carefull? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you stating that it is doing opposite than > > what > > > i > > > > am > > > > > > > > > thinking > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > should? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If i remove OM from it, it becomes 5 word, does > > > that > > > > > mean > > > > > > > it'd > > > > > > > > > > > strengthen lagna from 5th house? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please shed some light. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > raja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . > > > > com, " jk.dasgupta " > > > > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, but be carefull what you want. This is a > 6 > > > > words > > > > > > and > > > > > > > 13 > > > > > > > > > > letter > > > > > > > > > > > mantra. > > > > > > > > > > > > That means it will draw energy from your > > > > shatrubhava > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > rogabhava > > > > > > > > > > > and give > > > > > > > > > > > > result on yr lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [] On > > > > Behalf Of > > > > > > Raja > > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, December 31, 2008 1:52 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: swaha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so is it ok to chant swaha mantra i.e.. om > shri > > > > hari > > > > > > > > markatam > > > > > > > > > > > > markatay swaha... without any homam ahuti..? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . > > > > com, " jk.dasgupta " > > > > > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raja, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swaha and Swadha are two wives of Agni. > Swaha > > > is > > > > > > > generalyy > > > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > offering > > > > > > > > > > > > > something to Devas or in homams and Swadha > is > > > > used > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > sraddha > > > > > > > > > > > > karmas for > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pittris. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now there are many types of mantras. Two are > > > > main, > > > > > i.e > > > > > > > > > `Namah' > > > > > > > > > > > > mantras where > > > > > > > > > > > > > `Namah' is used at the end. These types of > > > > mantras > > > > > > are > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > surrender to the > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord. But mantras ending with `Swaha' are > > > > somewhat > > > > > > > forcing > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > Devata to > > > > > > > > > > > > > grant the result. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So `Namah' mantras are always better - as > the > > > > Lord > > > > > > knows > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > best > > > > > > > > > > > > > suitable for us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [@ . com] > On > > > > Behalf > > > > > Of > > > > > > > Raja > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, December 31, 2008 12:19 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > swaha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many mantras have " swaha " at the end of > them. > > I > > > > > have > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > > > > > > during havana also that these kind of mantra > > > > > > > > requires " homa " > > > > > > > > > > > > (i.e.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > some sort of havan ahuti) while chanting yet > > > some > > > > > > > mantras > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > > > > > > are chanted with swaha on day to day basis > > > where > > > > > > there > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > havan. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > wanted to ask learned ones' opinion about > this > > > > > matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 Respected Rohiniranjan ji, Oooops ! A small Cuban town of fishermen ! Sorry With respect, Girish Raheja , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan wrote: > > While I *love* your posting and admiration, the word that really > bothers me in your message is, " Village! " > > RR > > , " girish_raheja " > <girish_raheja@> wrote: > > > > Respected Rohiniranjan ji, > > > > Do you remember Santiago ? > > > > The protagonist of 'Old Man and the Sea' by E. Hemingway. > Santiago's > > entire village considered him a 'crazy old man' > > > > I love and admire the Old Man; crazy or otherwise. I consider him > an > > epitome of self actualisation. > > > > With respect, > > > > Girish Raheja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > > > I hope the madman did not start (=stir) another bout of 32 Hz > > > activity that makes Yogis hop and levitate! > > > > > > Sorry!! > > > > > > RR > > > > > > , " jk.dasgupta " > > > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, > > > > > > > > What Niket is talking, I think is the path of getting moksha. > In > > > kaliyuga > > > > real bhakti is rare and moksha is very difficult. > > > > > > > > Kaliyuga is ruled by Rahu and in this yuga only rules laid by > Sri > > > Krishna, > > > > in Mahabharata and Geeta will pull us out from the sufferings > > > injected by > > > > Rahu - the Kaal naaga. Who else other that Sri Krishan can > > control > > > the > > > > dangerous sarpa called Kaaliya? > > > > > > > > Who comes to an astrologer if he is not suffering in this life? > > He > > > who is > > > > enjoying or passing through a good time, has no time to visit > an > > > astrologer. > > > > He who is in the path of moksha, does not require an > astrologer - > > as > > > > tomorrow has no meaning for them. > > > > > > > > Many people come to me asking " when I can get moksha? " . This > > > question points > > > > towards their frustation in life. My simple answer to them > always > > > is - one > > > > should never try to run away from the sufferings of this life, > > > rectify it > > > > properly, complete the bhogas in totality whether good or bad. > > > Moksha will > > > > come in its own course. > > > > > > > > Let us be honest and accept that, we are all bhogis and we all > > > aspire for > > > > prosperity and happiness in this life, including myself :-). We > > all > > > aspire > > > > for bhogas of Rahu. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of > Rohiniranjan > > > > Friday, January 02, 2009 9:47 AM > > > > > > > > Re: All is Maya - > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Niket-ji, > > > > > > > > The " crazy madman " -- as Aadarniya Sunil ji chose to call me > > > > recently -- disagrees! > > > > > > > > Even Tapa and Saadhanaa require FAITH! In the Teacher and the > > > > Teaching of the Ritual! > > > > > > > > Even " experimentation " and 'improvisation', the next step, of > > what > > > > was learned through a Guru requires Faith! Faith in oneself > and > > > one's > > > > learning. Often miscomprehended by critics as " EGO " -- all it > > > > represents really is a personal resolve that says, 'I have > > chosen > > > the > > > > path and taken the first step; now may the destination teach > me > > > how > > > > to proceed!' > > > > > > > > So there is really ONE option and one path! :-) > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > , " astroiniket " > > > > <nakshtraniket@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Yes dear Prashantji, as i have already posted in my > privious > > > posts > > > > > few months back : > > > > > > > > > > if one want to achive his target their are only 2 ways. > > > > > > > > > > 1. first is Tapa or Sadhna in which 100% proces + Knowledge > + > > > Focus > > > > + > > > > > System + Method Required and it is based on Mantra - doer > > will > > > get > > > > > 100% sure Results as wanted, no value of Faith here. becoz > > here > > > > > system is working. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Second path is Bhakti: nothing is required, only > > > unconditional > > > > > love and 100% devotion, Blind faith, Required, and the > Person > > > must > > > > be > > > > > able to give desired things to others. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the diffrence is on first way you get what you want, BUT on > > > second > > > > > path you get all withoust asking, even more then that, as > > well > > > as > > > > you > > > > > also able to give desired things to Others. you got powers > of > > > > > almighty. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Choice is ours, First way is Easy for those who have strong > > will > > > > > power, and fire to achive their worldly things. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Second Path is not easy - not at all............it needs > lot > > of > > > > > things which we can do but do not want to do. the problem > is > > our > > > > > knowledge here, our own mind, our thoughts, our > selfishness, > > we > > > do > > > > > not want to see almighty in all. > > > > > > > > > > simple thing : > > > > > > > > > > when you cant love by heart n soul to those whom you can > see > > and > > > > you > > > > > live with. > > > > > > > > > > Then how can you Love to whom , which you never seen. > > > > > > > > > > if you are able to love all by heart, then only you can > clear > > > Prep > > > > or > > > > > KG of Bhakti Marga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rest ALL is MAYA. > > > > > > > > > > OM GYANINAMAPI CHETANSI DEVI BHAGVATI HI SA > > > > > BALADAKRASHYA MOHAY MAHAMAYA PRAYACHATI. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > Niket > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nikit, Raja > > > > > > > > > > > > well all the points covered here can be split into a few > > parts > > > > > > > > > > > > just like a good analysis, diagnosis and treatment has > its > > own > > > > > desired results > > > > > > > > > > > > so too a Mantra invokation, recitation will help in much > > > better > > > > way > > > > > if it coming from a elderly person a GURU, or one of tohe > two > > > > parents > > > > > done in the prescribed manner. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhakti has its own dimension where it is unqualified > > devotion, > > > > > irrespective of the challenges ones faith is steadfast and > > > > > unwavering, the toad is rough but the DESTINATION is a > > beautiful > > > > one > > > > > if we See Dhruva, Markendaya, Prahalada, Hanuman, > > Annamacharya , > > > > > Tyagaraja, Kabir, Tulsidas, Basaeshwara, Gnaneshwara, Sant > > > Govind > > > > > singh, Sri ramakrishna, Swami Vivekananda, Chaitanya > prabhu, > > > ramana > > > > > Mahirishi and a the list is endless.. there is merit in > every > > > case. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > astroiniket <nakshtraniket@> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, January 1, 2009 2:32:47 PM > > > > > > Re: swaha - why i am not agree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear friends do not include Bhakti in my saying. > excluding > > > that : > > > > > > > > > > > > as you are taking med, you have faith in med or not - no > > > matter - > > > > > if > > > > > > med is strong - and rightly prescribed - and diagnosed - > > you > > > must > > > > > see > > > > > > or feel effect of med. > > > > > > > > > > > > same Mantras : if you follow Perfect process, you have > > faith > > > or > > > > > not - > > > > > > no matter - your - (Selection of Mantra + process of > Mantra > > + > > > > > > Materiel + strong will+ focus on target) must give you > > desired > > > > > result. > > > > > > > > > > > > I am agree one must need a guru to understand and perform > > all > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > BUT > > > > > > > > > > > > up to a certain level - horoscope - Grah (planets) - > > > nakshtras - > > > > > > knowledge - mantras - yantras - tantra is identified but > > > their is > > > > > one > > > > > > more level beyond this level " Where all these things does > > not > > > > have > > > > > > any value - that is Bhakti. " > > > > > > > > > > > > in Bhakti nothing is required - Only unconditional love - > > > rest is > > > > > > Headache of almighty and belief me you never feel any > need > > to > > > ask > > > > > any > > > > > > thing. all will be taken care. and you will get all > without > > > doing > > > > > any > > > > > > thing. > > > > > > > > > > > > as shree Hanuman Got ashirwad from Maa " Ajar, Amar, Gun > > > Nidhi, > > > > Sut > > > > > > tum Hoyu " ( o my sun you will be sea of all Gunas, > Siddhis, > > > > Nidhis, > > > > > > all type of wealth, you will be immortal, you never be > old, > > > you > > > > > will > > > > > > be beyond time and it's control and effects) and see Lord > > > hanuman > > > > > is > > > > > > able to give any thing. a lot of can be said. but all > these > > > > things > > > > > > can be written in words. > > > > > > > > > > > > rgds > > > > > > Niket > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Raja " > > > <desi.raja@ ..> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I stand corrected. Case studies i assume can be as > > > emipirical > > > > > proof > > > > > > > as any scientific verification. I was just attempting to > > > > balance > > > > > > the > > > > > > > arguments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . com, " astroiniket " > > > > > > > <nakshtraniket@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear Raja, > > > > > > > > in what context you are asking to prove ? what you > want > > to > > > > > > verify ? > > > > > > > > pls clear dot points. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rgds > > > > > > > > Niker > > > > > > > > , " Raja " > > > > <desi.raja@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see , what you two have been discussing is > theoritical > > > > > science > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > no way it can empirically be verified hence there > is > > no > > > way > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > proving who is right and who is not. Different mind > > has > > > > > > diffrent > > > > > > > > > theories and it very well may lead to a single > > ultimate > > > > > > > destination > > > > > > > > > but how do we verify as no such method exist to > > verify. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fascinating. I am glad that i joined this group. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . > > com, " jk.dasgupta " > > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I fully agree with you :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > []On > > Behalf > > > Of > > > > > > > astroiniket > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, January 01, 2009 12:28 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: swaha - why i am not agree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my dear friend - some time knowledge is door of > > Haven, > > > > > and > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > it is door of Hell. Depends. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as almighty is concern - no knowledge is > required. > > as > > > > > world > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > concern a lot of knowledge is also very very less. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kind regards > > > > > > > > > > Niket > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . > > > com, " jk.dasgupta " > > > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think Parashara and Neelakantha knows better > > than > > > > us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What you are telling is perfectly alright - when > > > > doing > > > > > > puja > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > vasana and just for spiritual progress. But when > > > > > material > > > > > > > > > progress > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > required, rules are different. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In your other mail you have mentioned that you > > have > > > > all > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > books. > > > > > > > > > > Then you > > > > > > > > > > > must be knowing more than me. I do not have > those > > > > > books, > > > > > > > nor > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > Sanskrit. I only follow my Guru's words. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What you have mentioned about Dr. Srimali is > your > > > > > > personal > > > > > > > > > openion. > > > > > > > > > > I do not > > > > > > > > > > > agree with it. I know him personally and got > > > benefits. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I also do not follow the ideas of his > > > > family > > > > > > > > members > > > > > > > > > > holding the > > > > > > > > > > > reign. It is also my personal openion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > []On > > Behalf > > > > Of > > > > > > > > > astroiniket > > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, January 01, 2009 12:02 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: swaha - why i am not agree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. " When you add OM, all doshas of the mantra is > > > > > removed. " > > > > > > > > > > > sir prefixing of Om cant remove any dosha of any > > > > mantra > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > 32 > > > > > > > > > > > dosha in mantra - which only can be removed by > > doing > > > > > > perfect > > > > > > > > > > vidhana. > > > > > > > > > > > may see shloka in rgveda " asya mantrani karkam > > > > > devhelnat " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. None of diety (form of almighty) is not > bound > > > only > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > planets. > > > > > > > > > > > as lord Hanuman was born on Tuesday so people > > > > consider > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > Mars, and few people consider Lord Kartikey > also > > > lord > > > > > of > > > > > > > > Mars. > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > actual it is nothing to do with Mars. Mars > > consider > > > > as > > > > > > > > > Bhumiputra > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > govern by self. Mars is self demi diety. see > > > refrence > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > samveda " nanvatenya angaraka bhumiputro shivasya > > > > > > > saranchanam, > > > > > > > > > tsya > > > > > > > > > > > alokya...... may read full in original " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. All mantras have their own nature, yes agni > > Beez > > > > > > mantra > > > > > > > > cant > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > used with Jala Beez Mantra, but it can be used > > when > > > > > Prana > > > > > > > > > > pratishtha > > > > > > > > > > > is needed for any mantra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. whom to worship for what - one has to > worship > > > only > > > > > one > > > > > > > form > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > one is his / her Ishta Devi or Devta. may be > > saakar > > > > > rupa > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > nirakaar > > > > > > > > > > > rupa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > their is nothing which your Ishta Dev or Devi > cant > > > > give > > > > > > > you, > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > leave your Isht and run here n their it means > you > > > > have > > > > > > > doubt > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > or her powers, kindly remember Almighty is only > > one, > > > > > have > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > forms. > > > > > > > > > > > Rama or krishna or hanuman or shakti or ganesha > or > > > > any > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > forms of one only one The Suprem Personality The > > > > > Almighty > > > > > > > God. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if one falls in Mantra then must know complete > > > > Vidhana, > > > > > > > > > otherwise > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > just simple Prayer, Prayer is one of the most > > > > Powerful > > > > > > tool > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > hand > > > > > > > > > > > of Human beings, Their all billions of people > who > > > > even > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > any Mantra, who even does not know Rama or > > Krishna, > > > > > they > > > > > > > > worship > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > almighty in other Form/s. most of people do only > > > > prayer > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > earth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This all things only on your belief, what ever > you > > > > > > belief, > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > comes > > > > > > > > > > > in same reply. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in end - ANY ONE WHO TAKE ALMIGHTY'S NAME - ANY > > > NAME - > > > > > > > > > OR > > > > > > > > PRAY > > > > > > > > > IN > > > > > > > > > > ANY > > > > > > > > > > > LANGUAGE OR FROM - MUST BLESSED. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THEIR IS NO END OF DEBAIT, IT ALL MANTRA YANTRA > > ALL > > > > > THESE > > > > > > > ARE > > > > > > > > > > BELIEFE > > > > > > > > > > > BASED ON ASTI OR NASTI ONLY. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WORSHIP OF ALMIGHTY DOES NOT NEED ANY THING, NO > > > > MANTRA > > > > > OR > > > > > > > > YANTRA > > > > > > > > > > IS > > > > > > > > > > > NEEDED - WHEN YOU CALL HIM BY YOUR HEART AND > SOUL > > IN > > > > ANY > > > > > > > > > > LANGUAGE - > > > > > > > > > > > ALLWAYS ANSWERED - THE ONLY CONDITION YOU MUST > BE > > > > > CLEAN, > > > > > > > > CLEAR, > > > > > > > > > > PURE, > > > > > > > > > > > THEN ONLY REPLY WILL COME VERY FAST > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (EXAMPLE : when you boil water , if water is > > clean, > > > > > > clear, > > > > > > > > pure > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > take few minutes to boil, BUT if water is too > mudy > > > > and > > > > > > > impure > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > mix > > > > > > > > > > > of dirt or other things, it take long time to > get > > > > > boiled) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soul is like water, if it is clean , clear, > pure, > > > > your > > > > > > > prayer > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > reply fast, but if it is not clean, clear, pure, > > > > Reply > > > > > > must > > > > > > > > come > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > it will take it own time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By just chanting His/ Her name with > unconditional > > > > love > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > Vidhana, will clear your all karmas, your all > > > > impurity > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > fast > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > you will be blessed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even Though people want to Proseed Mantras then > > they > > > > > Must > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > about Mantra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > Niket > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . > > > > com, " jk.dasgupta " > > > > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raja, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you add OM, all doshas of the mantra is > > > > removed. > > > > > > > Else > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > are some > > > > > > > > > > > > perticular methods to match the mantra with > the > > > > > native. > > > > > > > > Else > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > creat > > > > > > > > > > > > havoc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you know if Lord Hanuman is at all > > > > interested > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > protecting > > > > > > > > > > > you? Lord > > > > > > > > > > > > Hanuman is represented by Mars. It all > depends > > > upon > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > placement > > > > > > > > > > > of Mars in > > > > > > > > > > > > your chart. I know one case, where Mars was > in > > 5H > > > > and > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > started > > > > > > > > > > > chanting > > > > > > > > > > > > Hanuman mantra. His home started trembling. > Why? > > > > > > because > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > is maraka > > > > > > > > > > > > of the 12th house from it. 12th from 5th is > 4th > > > > house > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > jala > > > > > > > > > > > tattwa. > > > > > > > > > > > > And tattwa of Mars is agni. So you can > > understand > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > happened. > > > > > > > > > > > Either agni > > > > > > > > > > > > will get finished or jala will get finished. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are more things. You want protection > from > > > > > > shatrus. > > > > > > > > None > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > do it > > > > > > > > > > > > except your Palana Devata. It is denoted by > the > > > 6th > > > > > > > planet > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > 6th lord > > > > > > > > > > > > (if there is no planet) from Chara Amatma > > Karaka > > > in > > > > > > > Navamsa. > > > > > > > > > > Also, > > > > > > > > > > > If any > > > > > > > > > > > > planet is sitting in 5th hose in rashi, that > has > > > > got > > > > > > > power > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > make > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > dance - specially so, if it is in dusthana > from > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you want spiritual progress, it is your > Ista > > > who > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > help. > > > > > > > > > > Ista > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > denoted by the planet in 12th House or the > 12th > > > > lord > > > > > > (if > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > planet) from Chara Atma karaka. Which planet > > > > denotes > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > diety are > > > > > > > > > > > > explained in BPHS and Prashna Margam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you see, that it is not necessary that > your > > > wish > > > > > > will > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > fullfilled by > > > > > > > > > > > > just reciting a mantra. I know one case, by > > > > reciting > > > > > > ari- > > > > > > > > > mantra, > > > > > > > > > > > one lost > > > > > > > > > > > > his only son. All these are to be seen while > > > > > selecting > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > mantra > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > person. These are all knowledges available in > > > > > > paramparas > > > > > > > > only. > > > > > > > > > > Pt. > > > > > > > > > > > Sanjay > > > > > > > > > > > > Rath - in his book " Vedic Remedies in > Astrology " > > > > has > > > > > > > brought > > > > > > > > > > out in > > > > > > > > > > > clarity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So it is always better to recite the > prashiddha > > > > > > mantras, > > > > > > > > > unless > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > proper guidance. I will try to make a brief > > write > > > > up > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > mantra, > > > > > > > > > > > different > > > > > > > > > > > > types and how to understand the effect of any > > > > > > perticular > > > > > > > > > mantra > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > post it > > > > > > > > > > > > in the list - whenever i find some time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [] On > > > > Behalf > > > > > Of > > > > > > Raja > > > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, January 01, 2009 7:57 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: swaha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dasguptaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i dont understand. This is a hanuman mantra > > > > supposed > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > protect > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > shatrus or rog etc so why do i have to be > > > carefull? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you stating that it is doing opposite > than > > > what > > > > i > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > thinking > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > should? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If i remove OM from it, it becomes 5 word, > does > > > > that > > > > > > mean > > > > > > > > it'd > > > > > > > > > > > > strengthen lagna from 5th house? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please shed some light. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > raja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . > > > > > com, " jk.dasgupta " > > > > > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, but be carefull what you want. This is > a > > 6 > > > > > words > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > 13 > > > > > > > > > > > letter > > > > > > > > > > > > mantra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > That means it will draw energy from your > > > > > shatrubhava > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > rogabhava > > > > > > > > > > > > and give > > > > > > > > > > > > > result on yr lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [@ . com] > On > > > > > Behalf Of > > > > > > > Raja > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, December 31, 2008 1:52 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: swaha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so is it ok to chant swaha mantra i.e.. om > > shri > > > > > hari > > > > > > > > > markatam > > > > > > > > > > > > > markatay swaha... without any homam ahuti..? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . > > > > > com, " jk.dasgupta " > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raja, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swaha and Swadha are two wives of Agni. > > Swaha > > > > is > > > > > > > > generalyy > > > > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > offering > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something to Devas or in homams and > Swadha > > is > > > > > used > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > sraddha > > > > > > > > > > > > > karmas for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pittris. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now there are many types of mantras. Two > are > > > > > main, > > > > > > i.e > > > > > > > > > > `Namah' > > > > > > > > > > > > > mantras where > > > > > > > > > > > > > > `Namah' is used at the end. These types of > > > > > mantras > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > surrender to the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord. But mantras ending with `Swaha' are > > > > > somewhat > > > > > > > > forcing > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > Devata to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > grant the result. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So `Namah' mantras are always better - as > > the > > > > > Lord > > > > > > > knows > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > best > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suitable for us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [@ . > com] > > On > > > > > Behalf > > > > > > Of > > > > > > > > Raja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, December 31, 2008 12:19 > PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > swaha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many mantras have " swaha " at the end of > > them. > > > I > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > during havana also that these kind of > mantra > > > > > > > > > requires " homa " > > > > > > > > > > > > > (i.e.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some sort of havan ahuti) while chanting > yet > > > > some > > > > > > > > mantras > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are chanted with swaha on day to day basis > > > > where > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > havan. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wanted to ask learned ones' opinion about > > this > > > > > > matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have > been > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 Thanks! I will wait until the remaining fishermen in our club arrive and we all collectively go 'fishing'! ;-) RR , " girish_raheja " <girish_raheja wrote: > > Respected Rohiniranjan ji, > > Oooops ! > > A small Cuban town of fishermen ! > > Sorry > > With respect, > > Girish Raheja > > > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > While I *love* your posting and admiration, the word that really > > bothers me in your message is, " Village! " > > > > RR > > > > , " girish_raheja " > > <girish_raheja@> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Rohiniranjan ji, > > > > > > Do you remember Santiago ? > > > > > > The protagonist of 'Old Man and the Sea' by E. Hemingway. > > Santiago's > > > entire village considered him a 'crazy old man' > > > > > > I love and admire the Old Man; crazy or otherwise. I consider him > > an > > > epitome of self actualisation. > > > > > > With respect, > > > > > > Girish Raheja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I hope the madman did not start (=stir) another bout of 32 Hz > > > > activity that makes Yogis hop and levitate! > > > > > > > > Sorry!! > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > , " jk.dasgupta " > > > > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, > > > > > > > > > > What Niket is talking, I think is the path of getting moksha. > > In > > > > kaliyuga > > > > > real bhakti is rare and moksha is very difficult. > > > > > > > > > > Kaliyuga is ruled by Rahu and in this yuga only rules laid by > > Sri > > > > Krishna, > > > > > in Mahabharata and Geeta will pull us out from the sufferings > > > > injected by > > > > > Rahu - the Kaal naaga. Who else other that Sri Krishan can > > > control > > > > the > > > > > dangerous sarpa called Kaaliya? > > > > > > > > > > Who comes to an astrologer if he is not suffering in this > life? > > > He > > > > who is > > > > > enjoying or passing through a good time, has no time to visit > > an > > > > astrologer. > > > > > He who is in the path of moksha, does not require an > > astrologer - > > > as > > > > > tomorrow has no meaning for them. > > > > > > > > > > Many people come to me asking " when I can get moksha? " . This > > > > question points > > > > > towards their frustation in life. My simple answer to them > > always > > > > is - one > > > > > should never try to run away from the sufferings of this > life, > > > > rectify it > > > > > properly, complete the bhogas in totality whether good or > bad. > > > > Moksha will > > > > > come in its own course. > > > > > > > > > > Let us be honest and accept that, we are all bhogis and we > all > > > > aspire for > > > > > prosperity and happiness in this life, including myself :- ). > We > > > all > > > > aspire > > > > > for bhogas of Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > Friday, January 02, 2009 9:47 AM > > > > > > > > > > Re: All is Maya - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Niket-ji, > > > > > > > > > > The " crazy madman " -- as Aadarniya Sunil ji chose to call me > > > > > recently -- disagrees! > > > > > > > > > > Even Tapa and Saadhanaa require FAITH! In the Teacher and > the > > > > > Teaching of the Ritual! > > > > > > > > > > Even " experimentation " and 'improvisation', the next step, > of > > > what > > > > > was learned through a Guru requires Faith! Faith in oneself > > and > > > > one's > > > > > learning. Often miscomprehended by critics as " EGO " -- all > it > > > > > represents really is a personal resolve that says, 'I have > > > chosen > > > > the > > > > > path and taken the first step; now may the destination > teach > > me > > > > how > > > > > to proceed!' > > > > > > > > > > So there is really ONE option and one path! :-) > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > , " astroiniket " > > > > > <nakshtraniket@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes dear Prashantji, as i have already posted in my > > privious > > > > posts > > > > > > few months back : > > > > > > > > > > > > if one want to achive his target their are only 2 ways. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. first is Tapa or Sadhna in which 100% proces + > Knowledge > > + > > > > Focus > > > > > + > > > > > > System + Method Required and it is based on Mantra - doer > > > will > > > > get > > > > > > 100% sure Results as wanted, no value of Faith here. > becoz > > > here > > > > > > system is working. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Second path is Bhakti: nothing is required, only > > > > unconditional > > > > > > love and 100% devotion, Blind faith, Required, and the > > Person > > > > must > > > > > be > > > > > > able to give desired things to others. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the diffrence is on first way you get what you want, BUT > on > > > > second > > > > > > path you get all withoust asking, even more then that, as > > > well > > > > as > > > > > you > > > > > > also able to give desired things to Others. you got > powers > > of > > > > > > almighty. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Choice is ours, First way is Easy for those who have > strong > > > will > > > > > > power, and fire to achive their worldly things. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Second Path is not easy - not at all............it needs > > lot > > > of > > > > > > things which we can do but do not want to do. the problem > > is > > > our > > > > > > knowledge here, our own mind, our thoughts, our > > selfishness, > > > we > > > > do > > > > > > not want to see almighty in all. > > > > > > > > > > > > simple thing : > > > > > > > > > > > > when you cant love by heart n soul to those whom you can > > see > > > and > > > > > you > > > > > > live with. > > > > > > > > > > > > Then how can you Love to whom , which you never seen. > > > > > > > > > > > > if you are able to love all by heart, then only you can > > clear > > > > Prep > > > > > or > > > > > > KG of Bhakti Marga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rest ALL is MAYA. > > > > > > > > > > > > OM GYANINAMAPI CHETANSI DEVI BHAGVATI HI SA > > > > > > BALADAKRASHYA MOHAY MAHAMAYA PRAYACHATI. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > Niket > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G > B > > > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nikit, Raja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well all the points covered here can be split into a > few > > > parts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just like a good analysis, diagnosis and treatment has > > its > > > own > > > > > > desired results > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so too a Mantra invokation, recitation will help in > much > > > > better > > > > > way > > > > > > if it coming from a elderly person a GURU, or one of tohe > > two > > > > > parents > > > > > > done in the prescribed manner. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhakti has its own dimension where it is unqualified > > > devotion, > > > > > > irrespective of the challenges ones faith is steadfast and > > > > > > unwavering, the toad is rough but the DESTINATION is a > > > beautiful > > > > > one > > > > > > if we See Dhruva, Markendaya, Prahalada, Hanuman, > > > Annamacharya , > > > > > > Tyagaraja, Kabir, Tulsidas, Basaeshwara, Gnaneshwara, > Sant > > > > Govind > > > > > > singh, Sri ramakrishna, Swami Vivekananda, Chaitanya > > prabhu, > > > > ramana > > > > > > Mahirishi and a the list is endless.. there is merit in > > every > > > > case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > astroiniket <nakshtraniket@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, January 1, 2009 2:32:47 PM > > > > > > > Re: swaha - why i am not agree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear friends do not include Bhakti in my saying. > > excluding > > > > that : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as you are taking med, you have faith in med or not - > no > > > > matter - > > > > > > if > > > > > > > med is strong - and rightly prescribed - and diagnosed - > > > > you > > > > must > > > > > > see > > > > > > > or feel effect of med. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same Mantras : if you follow Perfect process, you have > > > faith > > > > or > > > > > > not - > > > > > > > no matter - your - (Selection of Mantra + process of > > Mantra > > > + > > > > > > > Materiel + strong will+ focus on target) must give you > > > desired > > > > > > result. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am agree one must need a guru to understand and > perform > > > all > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BUT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > up to a certain level - horoscope - Grah (planets) - > > > > nakshtras - > > > > > > > knowledge - mantras - yantras - tantra is identified > but > > > > their is > > > > > > one > > > > > > > more level beyond this level " Where all these things > does > > > not > > > > > have > > > > > > > any value - that is Bhakti. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in Bhakti nothing is required - Only unconditional > love - > > > > rest is > > > > > > > Headache of almighty and belief me you never feel any > > need > > > to > > > > ask > > > > > > any > > > > > > > thing. all will be taken care. and you will get all > > without > > > > doing > > > > > > any > > > > > > > thing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as shree Hanuman Got ashirwad from Maa " Ajar, Amar, > Gun > > > > Nidhi, > > > > > Sut > > > > > > > tum Hoyu " ( o my sun you will be sea of all Gunas, > > Siddhis, > > > > > Nidhis, > > > > > > > all type of wealth, you will be immortal, you never be > > old, > > > > you > > > > > > will > > > > > > > be beyond time and it's control and effects) and see > Lord > > > > hanuman > > > > > > is > > > > > > > able to give any thing. a lot of can be said. but all > > these > > > > > things > > > > > > > can be written in words. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rgds > > > > > > > Niket > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Raja " > > > > <desi.raja@ ..> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I stand corrected. Case studies i assume can be as > > > > emipirical > > > > > > proof > > > > > > > > as any scientific verification. I was just attempting > to > > > > > balance > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > arguments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . > com, " astroiniket " > > > > > > > > <nakshtraniket@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear Raja, > > > > > > > > > in what context you are asking to prove ? what you > > want > > > to > > > > > > > verify ? > > > > > > > > > pls clear dot points. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rgds > > > > > > > > > Niker > > > > > > > > > , " Raja " > > > > > <desi.raja@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see , what you two have been discussing is > > theoritical > > > > > > science > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > no way it can empirically be verified hence there > > is > > > no > > > > way > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > proving who is right and who is not. Different > mind > > > has > > > > > > > diffrent > > > > > > > > > > theories and it very well may lead to a single > > > ultimate > > > > > > > > destination > > > > > > > > > > but how do we verify as no such method exist to > > > verify. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fascinating. I am glad that i joined this group. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . > > > com, " jk.dasgupta " > > > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I fully agree with you :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > []On > > > Behalf > > > > Of > > > > > > > > astroiniket > > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, January 01, 2009 12:28 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: swaha - why i am not agree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my dear friend - some time knowledge is door of > > > Haven, > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > it is door of Hell. Depends. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as almighty is concern - no knowledge is > > required. > > > as > > > > > > world > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > concern a lot of knowledge is also very very > less. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kind regards > > > > > > > > > > > Niket > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . > > > > com, " jk.dasgupta " > > > > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think Parashara and Neelakantha knows > better > > > than > > > > > us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What you are telling is perfectly alright - > when > > > > > doing > > > > > > > puja > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > vasana and just for spiritual progress. But > when > > > > > > material > > > > > > > > > > progress > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > required, rules are different. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In your other mail you have mentioned that > you > > > have > > > > > all > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > books. > > > > > > > > > > > Then you > > > > > > > > > > > > must be knowing more than me. I do not have > > those > > > > > > books, > > > > > > > > nor > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanskrit. I only follow my Guru's words. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What you have mentioned about Dr. Srimali is > > your > > > > > > > personal > > > > > > > > > > openion. > > > > > > > > > > > I do not > > > > > > > > > > > > agree with it. I know him personally and got > > > > benefits. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I also do not follow the ideas of > his > > > > > family > > > > > > > > > members > > > > > > > > > > > holding the > > > > > > > > > > > > reign. It is also my personal openion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [] On > > > Behalf > > > > > Of > > > > > > > > > > astroiniket > > > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, January 01, 2009 12:02 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: swaha - why i am not agree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. " When you add OM, all doshas of the mantra > is > > > > > > removed. " > > > > > > > > > > > > sir prefixing of Om cant remove any dosha of > any > > > > > mantra > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > 32 > > > > > > > > > > > > dosha in mantra - which only can be removed > by > > > doing > > > > > > > perfect > > > > > > > > > > > vidhana. > > > > > > > > > > > > may see shloka in rgveda " asya mantrani karkam > > > > > > devhelnat " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. None of diety (form of almighty) is not > > bound > > > > only > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > planets. > > > > > > > > > > > > as lord Hanuman was born on Tuesday so people > > > > > consider > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars, and few people consider Lord Kartikey > > also > > > > lord > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > Mars. > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > actual it is nothing to do with Mars. Mars > > > consider > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > Bhumiputra > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > govern by self. Mars is self demi diety. see > > > > refrence > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > samveda " nanvatenya angaraka bhumiputro > shivasya > > > > > > > > saranchanam, > > > > > > > > > > tsya > > > > > > > > > > > > alokya...... may read full in original " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. All mantras have their own nature, yes > agni > > > Beez > > > > > > > mantra > > > > > > > > > cant > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > used with Jala Beez Mantra, but it can be > used > > > when > > > > > > Prana > > > > > > > > > > > pratishtha > > > > > > > > > > > > is needed for any mantra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. whom to worship for what - one has to > > worship > > > > only > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > form > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > one is his / her Ishta Devi or Devta. may be > > > saakar > > > > > > rupa > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > nirakaar > > > > > > > > > > > > rupa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > their is nothing which your Ishta Dev or Devi > > cant > > > > > give > > > > > > > > you, > > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > leave your Isht and run here n their it means > > you > > > > > have > > > > > > > > doubt > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > or her powers, kindly remember Almighty is > only > > > one, > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > forms. > > > > > > > > > > > > Rama or krishna or hanuman or shakti or > ganesha > > or > > > > > any > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > forms of one only one The Suprem Personality > The > > > > > > Almighty > > > > > > > > God. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if one falls in Mantra then must know complete > > > > > Vidhana, > > > > > > > > > > otherwise > > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > just simple Prayer, Prayer is one of the most > > > > > Powerful > > > > > > > tool > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > hand > > > > > > > > > > > > of Human beings, Their all billions of people > > who > > > > > even > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > any Mantra, who even does not know Rama or > > > Krishna, > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > worship > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > almighty in other Form/s. most of people do > only > > > > > prayer > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > earth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This all things only on your belief, what > ever > > you > > > > > > > belief, > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > comes > > > > > > > > > > > > in same reply. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in end - ANY ONE WHO TAKE ALMIGHTY'S NAME - > ANY > > > > NAME - > > > > > > > > > > > OR > > > > > > > > > PRAY > > > > > > > > > > IN > > > > > > > > > > > ANY > > > > > > > > > > > > LANGUAGE OR FROM - MUST BLESSED. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THEIR IS NO END OF DEBAIT, IT ALL MANTRA > YANTRA > > > ALL > > > > > > THESE > > > > > > > > ARE > > > > > > > > > > > BELIEFE > > > > > > > > > > > > BASED ON ASTI OR NASTI ONLY. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WORSHIP OF ALMIGHTY DOES NOT NEED ANY THING, > NO > > > > > MANTRA > > > > > > OR > > > > > > > > > YANTRA > > > > > > > > > > > IS > > > > > > > > > > > > NEEDED - WHEN YOU CALL HIM BY YOUR HEART AND > > SOUL > > > IN > > > > > ANY > > > > > > > > > > > LANGUAGE - > > > > > > > > > > > > ALLWAYS ANSWERED - THE ONLY CONDITION YOU > MUST > > BE > > > > > > CLEAN, > > > > > > > > > CLEAR, > > > > > > > > > > > PURE, > > > > > > > > > > > > THEN ONLY REPLY WILL COME VERY FAST > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (EXAMPLE : when you boil water , if water is > > > clean, > > > > > > > clear, > > > > > > > > > pure > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > take few minutes to boil, BUT if water is too > > mudy > > > > > and > > > > > > > > impure > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > mix > > > > > > > > > > > > of dirt or other things, it take long time to > > get > > > > > > boiled) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soul is like water, if it is clean , clear, > > pure, > > > > > your > > > > > > > > prayer > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > reply fast, but if it is not clean, clear, > pure, > > > > > Reply > > > > > > > must > > > > > > > > > come > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > it will take it own time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By just chanting His/ Her name with > > unconditional > > > > > love > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > Vidhana, will clear your all karmas, your all > > > > > impurity > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > fast > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > you will be blessed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even Though people want to Proseed Mantras > then > > > they > > > > > > Must > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > about Mantra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > Niket > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . > > > > > com, " jk.dasgupta " > > > > > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raja, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you add OM, all doshas of the mantra is > > > > > removed. > > > > > > > > Else > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > are some > > > > > > > > > > > > > perticular methods to match the mantra with > > the > > > > > > native. > > > > > > > > > Else > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > creat > > > > > > > > > > > > > havoc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you know if Lord Hanuman is at all > > > > > interested > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > protecting > > > > > > > > > > > > you? Lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hanuman is represented by Mars. It all > > depends > > > > upon > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > placement > > > > > > > > > > > > of Mars in > > > > > > > > > > > > > your chart. I know one case, where Mars was > > in > > > 5H > > > > > and > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > started > > > > > > > > > > > > chanting > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hanuman mantra. His home started trembling. > > Why? > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > is maraka > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the 12th house from it. 12th from 5th is > > 4th > > > > > house > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > jala > > > > > > > > > > > > tattwa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > And tattwa of Mars is agni. So you can > > > understand > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > happened. > > > > > > > > > > > > Either agni > > > > > > > > > > > > > will get finished or jala will get finished. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are more things. You want protection > > from > > > > > > > shatrus. > > > > > > > > > None > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > do it > > > > > > > > > > > > > except your Palana Devata. It is denoted by > > the > > > > 6th > > > > > > > > planet > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > (if there is no planet) from Chara Amatma > > > Karaka > > > > in > > > > > > > > Navamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > Also, > > > > > > > > > > > > If any > > > > > > > > > > > > > planet is sitting in 5th hose in rashi, > that > > has > > > > > got > > > > > > > > power > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > make > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > dance - specially so, if it is in dusthana > > from > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you want spiritual progress, it is your > > Ista > > > > who > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > help. > > > > > > > > > > > Ista > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > denoted by the planet in 12th House or the > > 12th > > > > > lord > > > > > > > (if > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > planet) from Chara Atma karaka. Which planet > > > > > denotes > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > diety are > > > > > > > > > > > > > explained in BPHS and Prashna Margam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you see, that it is not necessary that > > your > > > > wish > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > fullfilled by > > > > > > > > > > > > > just reciting a mantra. I know one case, by > > > > > reciting > > > > > > > ari- > > > > > > > > > > mantra, > > > > > > > > > > > > one lost > > > > > > > > > > > > > his only son. All these are to be seen while > > > > > > selecting > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > mantra > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > person. These are all knowledges available > in > > > > > > > paramparas > > > > > > > > > only. > > > > > > > > > > > Pt. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanjay > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rath - in his book " Vedic Remedies in > > Astrology " > > > > > has > > > > > > > > brought > > > > > > > > > > > out in > > > > > > > > > > > > clarity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So it is always better to recite the > > prashiddha > > > > > > > mantras, > > > > > > > > > > unless > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > proper guidance. I will try to make a brief > > > write > > > > > up > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > mantra, > > > > > > > > > > > > different > > > > > > > > > > > > > types and how to understand the effect of > any > > > > > > > perticular > > > > > > > > > > mantra > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > post it > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the list - whenever i find some time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [@ . com] > On > > > > > Behalf > > > > > > Of > > > > > > > Raja > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, January 01, 2009 7:57 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: swaha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dasguptaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i dont understand. This is a hanuman mantra > > > > > supposed > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > protect > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > shatrus or rog etc so why do i have to be > > > > carefull? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you stating that it is doing opposite > > than > > > > what > > > > > i > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > thinking > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > should? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If i remove OM from it, it becomes 5 word, > > does > > > > > that > > > > > > > mean > > > > > > > > > it'd > > > > > > > > > > > > > strengthen lagna from 5th house? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please shed some light. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > raja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . > > > > > > com, " jk.dasgupta " > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, but be carefull what you want. This > is > > a > > > 6 > > > > > > words > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > 13 > > > > > > > > > > > > letter > > > > > > > > > > > > > mantra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That means it will draw energy from your > > > > > > shatrubhava > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > rogabhava > > > > > > > > > > > > > and give > > > > > > > > > > > > > > result on yr lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [@ . > com] > > On > > > > > > Behalf Of > > > > > > > > Raja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, December 31, 2008 1:52 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: swaha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so is it ok to chant swaha mantra i.e.. > om > > > shri > > > > > > hari > > > > > > > > > > markatam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > markatay swaha... without any homam > ahuti..? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . > > > > > > com, " jk.dasgupta " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raja, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swaha and Swadha are two wives of Agni. > > > Swaha > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > generalyy > > > > > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > offering > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something to Devas or in homams and > > Swadha > > > is > > > > > > used > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > sraddha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karmas for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pittris. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now there are many types of mantras. > Two > > are > > > > > > main, > > > > > > > i.e > > > > > > > > > > > `Namah' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mantras where > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > `Namah' is used at the end. These types > of > > > > > > mantras > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > surrender to the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord. But mantras ending with `Swaha' > are > > > > > > somewhat > > > > > > > > > forcing > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Devata to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > grant the result. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So `Namah' mantras are always better - > as > > > the > > > > > > Lord > > > > > > > > knows > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suitable for us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [@ . > > com] > > > On > > > > > > Behalf > > > > > > > Of > > > > > > > > > Raja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, December 31, 2008 > 12:19 > > PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > swaha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many mantras have " swaha " at the end of > > > them. > > > > I > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > during havana also that these kind of > > mantra > > > > > > > > > > requires " homa " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (i.e.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some sort of havan ahuti) while > chanting > > yet > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > mantras > > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are chanted with swaha on day to day > basis > > > > > where > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > havan. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wanted to ask learned ones' opinion > about > > > this > > > > > > > matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have > > been > > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have > been > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 hehe well kaliyug is ruled by Rahu means it is also supported ruled by ketu which is giver of moksha isn't it? , " jk.dasgupta " <jk.dasgupta wrote: > > Dear RRji, > > What Niket is talking, I think is the path of getting moksha. In kaliyuga > real bhakti is rare and moksha is very difficult. > > Kaliyuga is ruled by Rahu and in this yuga only rules laid by Sri Krishna, > in Mahabharata and Geeta will pull us out from the sufferings injected by > Rahu - the Kaal naaga. Who else other that Sri Krishan can control the > dangerous sarpa called Kaaliya? > > Who comes to an astrologer if he is not suffering in this life? He who is > enjoying or passing through a good time, has no time to visit an astrologer. > He who is in the path of moksha, does not require an astrologer - as > tomorrow has no meaning for them. > > Many people come to me asking " when I can get moksha? " . This question points > towards their frustation in life. My simple answer to them always is - one > should never try to run away from the sufferings of this life, rectify it > properly, complete the bhogas in totality whether good or bad. Moksha will > come in its own course. > > Let us be honest and accept that, we are all bhogis and we all aspire for > prosperity and happiness in this life, including myself :-). We all aspire > for bhogas of Rahu. > > Regards > > Jk > > > > > On Behalf Of Rohiniranjan > Friday, January 02, 2009 9:47 AM > > Re: All is Maya - > > > Dear Niket-ji, > > The " crazy madman " -- as Aadarniya Sunil ji chose to call me > recently -- disagrees! > > Even Tapa and Saadhanaa require FAITH! In the Teacher and the > Teaching of the Ritual! > > Even " experimentation " and 'improvisation', the next step, of what > was learned through a Guru requires Faith! Faith in oneself and one's > learning. Often miscomprehended by critics as " EGO " -- all it > represents really is a personal resolve that says, 'I have chosen the > path and taken the first step; now may the destination teach me how > to proceed!' > > So there is really ONE option and one path! :-) > > Rohiniranjan > > , " astroiniket " > <nakshtraniket@> wrote: > > > > Yes dear Prashantji, as i have already posted in my privious posts > > few months back : > > > > if one want to achive his target their are only 2 ways. > > > > 1. first is Tapa or Sadhna in which 100% proces + Knowledge + Focus > + > > System + Method Required and it is based on Mantra - doer will get > > 100% sure Results as wanted, no value of Faith here. becoz here > > system is working. > > > > > > 2. Second path is Bhakti: nothing is required, only unconditional > > love and 100% devotion, Blind faith, Required, and the Person must > be > > able to give desired things to others. > > > > > > the diffrence is on first way you get what you want, BUT on second > > path you get all withoust asking, even more then that, as well as > you > > also able to give desired things to Others. you got powers of > > almighty. > > > > > > Choice is ours, First way is Easy for those who have strong will > > power, and fire to achive their worldly things. > > > > > > Second Path is not easy - not at all............it needs lot of > > things which we can do but do not want to do. the problem is our > > knowledge here, our own mind, our thoughts, our selfishness, we do > > not want to see almighty in all. > > > > simple thing : > > > > when you cant love by heart n soul to those whom you can see and > you > > live with. > > > > Then how can you Love to whom , which you never seen. > > > > if you are able to love all by heart, then only you can clear Prep > or > > KG of Bhakti Marga. > > > > > > Rest ALL is MAYA. > > > > OM GYANINAMAPI CHETANSI DEVI BHAGVATI HI SA > > BALADAKRASHYA MOHAY MAHAMAYA PRAYACHATI. > > > > > > regards > > Niket > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Nikit, Raja > > > > > > well all the points covered here can be split into a few parts > > > > > > just like a good analysis, diagnosis and treatment has its own > > desired results > > > > > > so too a Mantra invokation, recitation will help in much better > way > > if it coming from a elderly person a GURU, or one of tohe two > parents > > done in the prescribed manner. > > > > > > Bhakti has its own dimension where it is unqualified devotion, > > irrespective of the challenges ones faith is steadfast and > > unwavering, the toad is rough but the DESTINATION is a beautiful > one > > if we See Dhruva, Markendaya, Prahalada, Hanuman, Annamacharya , > > Tyagaraja, Kabir, Tulsidas, Basaeshwara, Gnaneshwara, Sant Govind > > singh, Sri ramakrishna, Swami Vivekananda, Chaitanya prabhu, ramana > > Mahirishi and a the list is endless.. there is merit in every case. > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > astroiniket <nakshtraniket@> > > > > > > Thursday, January 1, 2009 2:32:47 PM > > > Re: swaha - why i am not agree > > > > > > > > > dear friends do not include Bhakti in my saying. excluding that : > > > > > > as you are taking med, you have faith in med or not - no matter - > > if > > > med is strong - and rightly prescribed - and diagnosed - you must > > see > > > or feel effect of med. > > > > > > same Mantras : if you follow Perfect process, you have faith or > > not - > > > no matter - your - (Selection of Mantra + process of Mantra + > > > Materiel + strong will+ focus on target) must give you desired > > result. > > > > > > I am agree one must need a guru to understand and perform all > this. > > > > > > BUT > > > > > > up to a certain level - horoscope - Grah (planets) - nakshtras - > > > knowledge - mantras - yantras - tantra is identified but their is > > one > > > more level beyond this level " Where all these things does not > have > > > any value - that is Bhakti. " > > > > > > in Bhakti nothing is required - Only unconditional love - rest is > > > Headache of almighty and belief me you never feel any need to ask > > any > > > thing. all will be taken care. and you will get all without doing > > any > > > thing. > > > > > > as shree Hanuman Got ashirwad from Maa " Ajar, Amar, Gun Nidhi, > Sut > > > tum Hoyu " ( o my sun you will be sea of all Gunas, Siddhis, > Nidhis, > > > all type of wealth, you will be immortal, you never be old, you > > will > > > be beyond time and it's control and effects) and see Lord hanuman > > is > > > able to give any thing. a lot of can be said. but all these > things > > > can be written in words. > > > > > > rgds > > > Niket > > > > > > , " Raja " <desi.raja@ ..> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I stand corrected. Case studies i assume can be as emipirical > > proof > > > > as any scientific verification. I was just attempting to > balance > > > the > > > > arguments. > > > > > > > > , " astroiniket " > > > > <nakshtraniket@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > dear Raja, > > > > > in what context you are asking to prove ? what you want to > > > verify ? > > > > > pls clear dot points. > > > > > > > > > > rgds > > > > > Niker > > > > > , " Raja " > <desi.raja@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > see , what you two have been discussing is theoritical > > science > > > > and > > > > > in > > > > > > no way it can empirically be verified hence there is no way > > for > > > > > > proving who is right and who is not. Different mind has > > > diffrent > > > > > > theories and it very well may lead to a single ultimate > > > > destination > > > > > > but how do we verify as no such method exist to verify. > > > > > > > > > > > > fascinating. I am glad that i joined this group. > > > > > > > > > > > > , " jk.dasgupta " > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I fully agree with you :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > []On Behalf Of > > > > astroiniket > > > > > > > Thursday, January 01, 2009 12:28 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: swaha - why i am not agree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my dear friend - some time knowledge is door of Haven, > > and > > > > some > > > > > > time > > > > > > > it is door of Hell. Depends. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as almighty is concern - no knowledge is required. as > > world > > > is > > > > > > > concern a lot of knowledge is also very very less. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kind regards > > > > > > > Niket > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . com, " jk.dasgupta " > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think Parashara and Neelakantha knows better than > us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What you are telling is perfectly alright - when > doing > > > puja > > > > > > without > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > vasana and just for spiritual progress. But when > > material > > > > > > progress > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > required, rules are different. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In your other mail you have mentioned that you have > all > > > the > > > > > > books. > > > > > > > Then you > > > > > > > > must be knowing more than me. I do not have those > > books, > > > > nor > > > > > I > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > Sanskrit. I only follow my Guru's words. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What you have mentioned about Dr. Srimali is your > > > personal > > > > > > openion. > > > > > > > I do not > > > > > > > > agree with it. I know him personally and got benefits. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I also do not follow the ideas of his > family > > > > > members > > > > > > > holding the > > > > > > > > reign. It is also my personal openion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > []On Behalf > Of > > > > > > astroiniket > > > > > > > > Thursday, January 01, 2009 12:02 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: swaha - why i am not agree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. " When you add OM, all doshas of the mantra is > > removed. " > > > > > > > > sir prefixing of Om cant remove any dosha of any > mantra > > > > there > > > > > > are > > > > > > > 32 > > > > > > > > dosha in mantra - which only can be removed by doing > > > perfect > > > > > > > vidhana. > > > > > > > > may see shloka in rgveda " asya mantrani karkam > > devhelnat " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. None of diety (form of almighty) is not bound only > > with > > > > > > > planets. > > > > > > > > as lord Hanuman was born on Tuesday so people > consider > > > him > > > > > lord > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > Mars, and few people consider Lord Kartikey also lord > > of > > > > > Mars. > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > actual it is nothing to do with Mars. Mars consider > as > > > > > > Bhumiputra > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > govern by self. Mars is self demi diety. see refrence > in > > > > > > > > samveda " nanvatenya angaraka bhumiputro shivasya > > > > saranchanam, > > > > > > tsya > > > > > > > > alokya...... may read full in original " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. All mantras have their own nature, yes agni Beez > > > mantra > > > > > cant > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > used with Jala Beez Mantra, but it can be used when > > Prana > > > > > > > pratishtha > > > > > > > > is needed for any mantra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. whom to worship for what - one has to worship only > > one > > > > form > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > one is his / her Ishta Devi or Devta. may be saakar > > rupa > > > or > > > > > > > nirakaar > > > > > > > > rupa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > their is nothing which your Ishta Dev or Devi cant > give > > > > you, > > > > > > when > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > leave your Isht and run here n their it means you > have > > > > doubt > > > > > in > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > or her powers, kindly remember Almighty is only one, > > have > > > > all > > > > > > > forms. > > > > > > > > Rama or krishna or hanuman or shakti or ganesha or > any > > > one > > > > > all > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > forms of one only one The Suprem Personality The > > Almighty > > > > God. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if one falls in Mantra then must know complete > Vidhana, > > > > > > otherwise > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > just simple Prayer, Prayer is one of the most > Powerful > > > tool > > > > in > > > > > > > hand > > > > > > > > of Human beings, Their all billions of people who > even > > > does > > > > > not > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > any Mantra, who even does not know Rama or Krishna, > > they > > > > > worship > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > almighty in other Form/s. most of people do only > prayer > > > on > > > > > this > > > > > > > earth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This all things only on your belief, what ever you > > > belief, > > > > it > > > > > > > comes > > > > > > > > in same reply. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in end - ANY ONE WHO TAKE ALMIGHTY'S NAME - ANY NAME - > > > OR > > > > > PRAY > > > > > > IN > > > > > > > ANY > > > > > > > > LANGUAGE OR FROM - MUST BLESSED. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THEIR IS NO END OF DEBAIT, IT ALL MANTRA YANTRA ALL > > THESE > > > > ARE > > > > > > > BELIEFE > > > > > > > > BASED ON ASTI OR NASTI ONLY. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WORSHIP OF ALMIGHTY DOES NOT NEED ANY THING, NO > MANTRA > > OR > > > > > YANTRA > > > > > > > IS > > > > > > > > NEEDED - WHEN YOU CALL HIM BY YOUR HEART AND SOUL IN > ANY > > > > > > > LANGUAGE - > > > > > > > > ALLWAYS ANSWERED - THE ONLY CONDITION YOU MUST BE > > CLEAN, > > > > > CLEAR, > > > > > > > PURE, > > > > > > > > THEN ONLY REPLY WILL COME VERY FAST > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (EXAMPLE : when you boil water , if water is clean, > > > clear, > > > > > pure > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > take few minutes to boil, BUT if water is too mudy > and > > > > impure > > > > > > and > > > > > > > mix > > > > > > > > of dirt or other things, it take long time to get > > boiled) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soul is like water, if it is clean , clear, pure, > your > > > > prayer > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > reply fast, but if it is not clean, clear, pure, > Reply > > > must > > > > > come > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > it will take it own time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By just chanting His/ Her name with unconditional > love > > > > > without > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > Vidhana, will clear your all karmas, your all > impurity > > > very > > > > > fast > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > you will be blessed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even Though people want to Proseed Mantras then they > > Must > > > > > know > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > about Mantra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > Niket > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . > com, " jk.dasgupta " > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raja, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you add OM, all doshas of the mantra is > removed. > > > > Else > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > are some > > > > > > > > > perticular methods to match the mantra with the > > native. > > > > > Else > > > > > > it > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > creat > > > > > > > > > havoc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you know if Lord Hanuman is at all > interested > > in > > > > > > > protecting > > > > > > > > you? Lord > > > > > > > > > Hanuman is represented by Mars. It all depends upon > > the > > > > > > > placement > > > > > > > > of Mars in > > > > > > > > > your chart. I know one case, where Mars was in 5H > and > > > he > > > > > > started > > > > > > > > chanting > > > > > > > > > Hanuman mantra. His home started trembling. Why? > > > because > > > > any > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > is maraka > > > > > > > > > of the 12th house from it. 12th from 5th is 4th > house > > > > which > > > > > is > > > > > > > jala > > > > > > > > tattwa. > > > > > > > > > And tattwa of Mars is agni. So you can understand > > what > > > > > > happened. > > > > > > > > Either agni > > > > > > > > > will get finished or jala will get finished. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are more things. You want protection from > > > shatrus. > > > > > None > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > do it > > > > > > > > > except your Palana Devata. It is denoted by the 6th > > > > planet > > > > > of > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > 6th lord > > > > > > > > > (if there is no planet) from Chara Amatma Karaka in > > > > Navamsa. > > > > > > > Also, > > > > > > > > If any > > > > > > > > > planet is sitting in 5th hose in rashi, that has > got > > > > power > > > > > to > > > > > > > make > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > dance - specially so, if it is in dusthana from > Lagna > > > > lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you want spiritual progress, it is your Ista who > > > will > > > > > help. > > > > > > > Ista > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > denoted by the planet in 12th House or the 12th > lord > > > (if > > > > > there > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > planet) from Chara Atma karaka. Which planet > denotes > > > which > > > > > > > diety are > > > > > > > > > explained in BPHS and Prashna Margam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you see, that it is not necessary that your wish > > > will > > > > be > > > > > > > > fullfilled by > > > > > > > > > just reciting a mantra. I know one case, by > reciting > > > ari- > > > > > > mantra, > > > > > > > > one lost > > > > > > > > > his only son. All these are to be seen while > > selecting > > > a > > > > > > mantra > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > person. These are all knowledges available in > > > paramparas > > > > > only. > > > > > > > Pt. > > > > > > > > Sanjay > > > > > > > > > Rath - in his book " Vedic Remedies in Astrology " > has > > > > brought > > > > > > > out in > > > > > > > > clarity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So it is always better to recite the prashiddha > > > mantras, > > > > > > unless > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > proper guidance. I will try to make a brief write > up > > on > > > > > > mantra, > > > > > > > > different > > > > > > > > > types and how to understand the effect of any > > > perticular > > > > > > mantra > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > post it > > > > > > > > > in the list - whenever i find some time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > []On > Behalf > > Of > > > Raja > > > > > > > > > Thursday, January 01, 2009 7:57 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: swaha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dasguptaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i dont understand. This is a hanuman mantra > supposed > > to > > > > > > protect > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > shatrus or rog etc so why do i have to be carefull? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you stating that it is doing opposite than what > i > > am > > > > > > > thinking > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > should? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If i remove OM from it, it becomes 5 word, does > that > > > mean > > > > > it'd > > > > > > > > > strengthen lagna from 5th house? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please shed some light. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > > > > > > raja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . > > com, " jk.dasgupta " > > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, but be carefull what you want. This is a 6 > > words > > > > and > > > > > 13 > > > > > > > > letter > > > > > > > > > mantra. > > > > > > > > > > That means it will draw energy from your > > shatrubhava > > > or > > > > > > > > rogabhava > > > > > > > > > and give > > > > > > > > > > result on yr lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > []On > > Behalf Of > > > > Raja > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, December 31, 2008 1:52 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: swaha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so is it ok to chant swaha mantra i.e.. om shri > > hari > > > > > > markatam > > > > > > > > > > markatay swaha... without any homam ahuti..? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . > > com, " jk.dasgupta " > > > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raja, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swaha and Swadha are two wives of Agni. Swaha > is > > > > > generalyy > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > offering > > > > > > > > > > > something to Devas or in homams and Swadha is > > used > > > in > > > > > > > sraddha > > > > > > > > > > karmas for > > > > > > > > > > > Pittris. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now there are many types of mantras. Two are > > main, > > > i.e > > > > > > > `Namah' > > > > > > > > > > mantras where > > > > > > > > > > > `Namah' is used at the end. These types of > > mantras > > > > are > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > surrender to the > > > > > > > > > > > lord. But mantras ending with `Swaha' are > > somewhat > > > > > forcing > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > Devata to > > > > > > > > > > > grant the result. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So `Namah' mantras are always better - as the > > Lord > > > > knows > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > best > > > > > > > > > > > suitable for us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > []On > > Behalf > > > Of > > > > > Raja > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, December 31, 2008 12:19 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > swaha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many mantras have " swaha " at the end of them. I > > > have > > > > > read > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > > > > during havana also that these kind of mantra > > > > > > requires " homa " > > > > > > > > > > (i.e.. > > > > > > > > > > > some sort of havan ahuti) while chanting yet > some > > > > > mantras > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > > > > are chanted with swaha on day to day basis > where > > > > there > > > > > is > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > havan. I > > > > > > > > > > > wanted to ask learned ones' opinion about this > > > matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 AMEN !! , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan wrote: > > Thanks! I will wait until the remaining fishermen in our club arrive > and we all collectively go 'fishing'! ;-) > > RR > > > , " girish_raheja " > <girish_raheja@> wrote: > > > > Respected Rohiniranjan ji, > > > > Oooops ! > > > > A small Cuban town of fishermen ! > > > > Sorry > > > > With respect, > > > > Girish Raheja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > > > While I *love* your posting and admiration, the word that really > > > bothers me in your message is, " Village! " > > > > > > RR > > > > > > , " girish_raheja " > > > <girish_raheja@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected Rohiniranjan ji, > > > > > > > > Do you remember Santiago ? > > > > > > > > The protagonist of 'Old Man and the Sea' by E. Hemingway. > > > Santiago's > > > > entire village considered him a 'crazy old man' > > > > > > > > I love and admire the Old Man; crazy or otherwise. I consider > him > > > an > > > > epitome of self actualisation. > > > > > > > > With respect, > > > > > > > > Girish Raheja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > > > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I hope the madman did not start (=stir) another bout of 32 Hz > > > > > activity that makes Yogis hop and levitate! > > > > > > > > > > Sorry!! > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > , " jk.dasgupta " > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, > > > > > > > > > > > > What Niket is talking, I think is the path of getting > moksha. > > > In > > > > > kaliyuga > > > > > > real bhakti is rare and moksha is very difficult. > > > > > > > > > > > > Kaliyuga is ruled by Rahu and in this yuga only rules laid > by > > > Sri > > > > > Krishna, > > > > > > in Mahabharata and Geeta will pull us out from the > sufferings > > > > > injected by > > > > > > Rahu - the Kaal naaga. Who else other that Sri Krishan can > > > > control > > > > > the > > > > > > dangerous sarpa called Kaaliya? > > > > > > > > > > > > Who comes to an astrologer if he is not suffering in this > > life? > > > > He > > > > > who is > > > > > > enjoying or passing through a good time, has no time to > visit > > > an > > > > > astrologer. > > > > > > He who is in the path of moksha, does not require an > > > astrologer - > > > > as > > > > > > tomorrow has no meaning for them. > > > > > > > > > > > > Many people come to me asking " when I can get moksha? " . > This > > > > > question points > > > > > > towards their frustation in life. My simple answer to them > > > always > > > > > is - one > > > > > > should never try to run away from the sufferings of this > > life, > > > > > rectify it > > > > > > properly, complete the bhogas in totality whether good or > > bad. > > > > > Moksha will > > > > > > come in its own course. > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us be honest and accept that, we are all bhogis and we > > all > > > > > aspire for > > > > > > prosperity and happiness in this life, including myself :- > ). > > We > > > > all > > > > > aspire > > > > > > for bhogas of Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > Friday, January 02, 2009 9:47 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: All is Maya - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Niket-ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > The " crazy madman " -- as Aadarniya Sunil ji chose to call > me > > > > > > recently -- disagrees! > > > > > > > > > > > > Even Tapa and Saadhanaa require FAITH! In the Teacher and > > the > > > > > > Teaching of the Ritual! > > > > > > > > > > > > Even " experimentation " and 'improvisation', the next > step, > > of > > > > what > > > > > > was learned through a Guru requires Faith! Faith in > oneself > > > and > > > > > one's > > > > > > learning. Often miscomprehended by critics as " EGO " -- > all > > it > > > > > > represents really is a personal resolve that says, 'I > have > > > > chosen > > > > > the > > > > > > path and taken the first step; now may the destination > > teach > > > me > > > > > how > > > > > > to proceed!' > > > > > > > > > > > > So there is really ONE option and one path! :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > , " astroiniket " > > > > > > <nakshtraniket@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes dear Prashantji, as i have already posted in my > > > privious > > > > > posts > > > > > > > few months back : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if one want to achive his target their are only 2 ways. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. first is Tapa or Sadhna in which 100% proces + > > Knowledge > > > + > > > > > Focus > > > > > > + > > > > > > > System + Method Required and it is based on Mantra - > doer > > > > will > > > > > get > > > > > > > 100% sure Results as wanted, no value of Faith here. > > becoz > > > > here > > > > > > > system is working. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Second path is Bhakti: nothing is required, only > > > > > unconditional > > > > > > > love and 100% devotion, Blind faith, Required, and the > > > Person > > > > > must > > > > > > be > > > > > > > able to give desired things to others. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the diffrence is on first way you get what you want, > BUT > > on > > > > > second > > > > > > > path you get all withoust asking, even more then that, > as > > > > well > > > > > as > > > > > > you > > > > > > > also able to give desired things to Others. you got > > powers > > > of > > > > > > > almighty. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Choice is ours, First way is Easy for those who have > > strong > > > > will > > > > > > > power, and fire to achive their worldly things. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Second Path is not easy - not at all............it > needs > > > lot > > > > of > > > > > > > things which we can do but do not want to do. the > problem > > > is > > > > our > > > > > > > knowledge here, our own mind, our thoughts, our > > > selfishness, > > > > we > > > > > do > > > > > > > not want to see almighty in all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > simple thing : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when you cant love by heart n soul to those whom you > can > > > see > > > > and > > > > > > you > > > > > > > live with. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then how can you Love to whom , which you never seen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if you are able to love all by heart, then only you can > > > clear > > > > > Prep > > > > > > or > > > > > > > KG of Bhakti Marga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rest ALL is MAYA. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OM GYANINAMAPI CHETANSI DEVI BHAGVATI HI SA > > > > > > > BALADAKRASHYA MOHAY MAHAMAYA PRAYACHATI. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > Niket > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar > G > > B > > > > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nikit, Raja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well all the points covered here can be split into a > > few > > > > parts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just like a good analysis, diagnosis and treatment > has > > > its > > > > own > > > > > > > desired results > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so too a Mantra invokation, recitation will help in > > much > > > > > better > > > > > > way > > > > > > > if it coming from a elderly person a GURU, or one of > tohe > > > two > > > > > > parents > > > > > > > done in the prescribed manner. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhakti has its own dimension where it is unqualified > > > > devotion, > > > > > > > irrespective of the challenges ones faith is steadfast > and > > > > > > > unwavering, the toad is rough but the DESTINATION is a > > > > beautiful > > > > > > one > > > > > > > if we See Dhruva, Markendaya, Prahalada, Hanuman, > > > > Annamacharya , > > > > > > > Tyagaraja, Kabir, Tulsidas, Basaeshwara, Gnaneshwara, > > Sant > > > > > Govind > > > > > > > singh, Sri ramakrishna, Swami Vivekananda, Chaitanya > > > prabhu, > > > > > ramana > > > > > > > Mahirishi and a the list is endless.. there is merit in > > > every > > > > > case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > astroiniket <nakshtraniket@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, January 1, 2009 2:32:47 PM > > > > > > > > Re: swaha - why i am not agree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear friends do not include Bhakti in my saying. > > > excluding > > > > > that : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as you are taking med, you have faith in med or not - > > no > > > > > matter - > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > med is strong - and rightly prescribed - and > diagnosed - > > > > > > you > > > > > must > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > or feel effect of med. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same Mantras : if you follow Perfect process, you > have > > > > faith > > > > > or > > > > > > > not - > > > > > > > > no matter - your - (Selection of Mantra + process of > > > Mantra > > > > + > > > > > > > > Materiel + strong will+ focus on target) must give > you > > > > desired > > > > > > > result. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am agree one must need a guru to understand and > > perform > > > > all > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BUT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > up to a certain level - horoscope - Grah (planets) - > > > > > nakshtras - > > > > > > > > knowledge - mantras - yantras - tantra is identified > > but > > > > > their is > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > more level beyond this level " Where all these things > > does > > > > not > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > any value - that is Bhakti. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in Bhakti nothing is required - Only unconditional > > love - > > > > > rest is > > > > > > > > Headache of almighty and belief me you never feel any > > > need > > > > to > > > > > ask > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > thing. all will be taken care. and you will get all > > > without > > > > > doing > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > thing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as shree Hanuman Got ashirwad from Maa " Ajar, Amar, > > Gun > > > > > Nidhi, > > > > > > Sut > > > > > > > > tum Hoyu " ( o my sun you will be sea of all Gunas, > > > Siddhis, > > > > > > Nidhis, > > > > > > > > all type of wealth, you will be immortal, you never > be > > > old, > > > > > you > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > be beyond time and it's control and effects) and see > > Lord > > > > > hanuman > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > able to give any thing. a lot of can be said. but all > > > these > > > > > > things > > > > > > > > can be written in words. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rgds > > > > > > > > Niket > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Raja " > > > > > <desi.raja@ ..> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I stand corrected. Case studies i assume can be as > > > > > emipirical > > > > > > > proof > > > > > > > > > as any scientific verification. I was just > attempting > > to > > > > > > balance > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > arguments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . > > com, " astroiniket " > > > > > > > > > <nakshtraniket@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear Raja, > > > > > > > > > > in what context you are asking to prove ? what > you > > > want > > > > to > > > > > > > > verify ? > > > > > > > > > > pls clear dot points. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rgds > > > > > > > > > > Niker > > > > > > > > > > @ . com, " Raja " > > > > > > <desi.raja@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see , what you two have been discussing is > > > theoritical > > > > > > > science > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > no way it can empirically be verified hence > there > > > is > > > > no > > > > > way > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > proving who is right and who is not. Different > > mind > > > > has > > > > > > > > diffrent > > > > > > > > > > > theories and it very well may lead to a single > > > > ultimate > > > > > > > > > destination > > > > > > > > > > > but how do we verify as no such method exist to > > > > verify. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fascinating. I am glad that i joined this group. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . > > > > com, " jk.dasgupta " > > > > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I fully agree with you :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [] On > > > > Behalf > > > > > Of > > > > > > > > > astroiniket > > > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, January 01, 2009 12:28 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: swaha - why i am not agree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my dear friend - some time knowledge is door > of > > > > Haven, > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > it is door of Hell. Depends. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as almighty is concern - no knowledge is > > > required. > > > > as > > > > > > > world > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > concern a lot of knowledge is also very very > > less. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kind regards > > > > > > > > > > > > Niket > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . > > > > > com, " jk.dasgupta " > > > > > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think Parashara and Neelakantha knows > > better > > > > than > > > > > > us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What you are telling is perfectly alright - > > when > > > > > > doing > > > > > > > > puja > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > vasana and just for spiritual progress. But > > when > > > > > > > material > > > > > > > > > > > progress > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > required, rules are different. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In your other mail you have mentioned that > > you > > > > have > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > books. > > > > > > > > > > > > Then you > > > > > > > > > > > > > must be knowing more than me. I do not have > > > those > > > > > > > books, > > > > > > > > > nor > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanskrit. I only follow my Guru's words. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What you have mentioned about Dr. Srimali > is > > > your > > > > > > > > personal > > > > > > > > > > > openion. > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not > > > > > > > > > > > > > agree with it. I know him personally and > got > > > > > benefits. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I also do not follow the ideas > of > > his > > > > > > family > > > > > > > > > > members > > > > > > > > > > > > holding the > > > > > > > > > > > > > reign. It is also my personal openion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [@ . com] > On > > > > Behalf > > > > > > Of > > > > > > > > > > > astroiniket > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, January 01, 2009 12:02 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: swaha - why i am not agree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. " When you add OM, all doshas of the > mantra > > is > > > > > > > removed. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > sir prefixing of Om cant remove any dosha > of > > any > > > > > > mantra > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > 32 > > > > > > > > > > > > > dosha in mantra - which only can be removed > > by > > > > doing > > > > > > > > perfect > > > > > > > > > > > > vidhana. > > > > > > > > > > > > > may see shloka in rgveda " asya mantrani > karkam > > > > > > > devhelnat " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. None of diety (form of almighty) is not > > > bound > > > > > only > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > planets. > > > > > > > > > > > > > as lord Hanuman was born on Tuesday so > people > > > > > > consider > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars, and few people consider Lord Kartikey > > > also > > > > > lord > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > Mars. > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > actual it is nothing to do with Mars. Mars > > > > consider > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > Bhumiputra > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > govern by self. Mars is self demi diety. > see > > > > > refrence > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > samveda " nanvatenya angaraka bhumiputro > > shivasya > > > > > > > > > saranchanam, > > > > > > > > > > > tsya > > > > > > > > > > > > > alokya...... may read full in original " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. All mantras have their own nature, yes > > agni > > > > Beez > > > > > > > > mantra > > > > > > > > > > cant > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > used with Jala Beez Mantra, but it can be > > used > > > > when > > > > > > > Prana > > > > > > > > > > > > pratishtha > > > > > > > > > > > > > is needed for any mantra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. whom to worship for what - one has to > > > worship > > > > > only > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > form > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > one is his / her Ishta Devi or Devta. may > be > > > > saakar > > > > > > > rupa > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > nirakaar > > > > > > > > > > > > > rupa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > their is nothing which your Ishta Dev or > Devi > > > cant > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > > you, > > > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave your Isht and run here n their it > means > > > you > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > doubt > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > or her powers, kindly remember Almighty is > > only > > > > one, > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > forms. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rama or krishna or hanuman or shakti or > > ganesha > > > or > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > forms of one only one The Suprem > Personality > > The > > > > > > > Almighty > > > > > > > > > God. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if one falls in Mantra then must know > complete > > > > > > Vidhana, > > > > > > > > > > > otherwise > > > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > > just simple Prayer, Prayer is one of the > most > > > > > > Powerful > > > > > > > > tool > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > hand > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Human beings, Their all billions of > people > > > who > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > any Mantra, who even does not know Rama or > > > > Krishna, > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > worship > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > almighty in other Form/s. most of people do > > only > > > > > > prayer > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > earth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This all things only on your belief, what > > ever > > > you > > > > > > > > belief, > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > comes > > > > > > > > > > > > > in same reply. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in end - ANY ONE WHO TAKE ALMIGHTY'S NAME - > > ANY > > > > > NAME - > > > > > > > > > > > > > OR > > > > > > > > > > PRAY > > > > > > > > > > > IN > > > > > > > > > > > > ANY > > > > > > > > > > > > > LANGUAGE OR FROM - MUST BLESSED. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THEIR IS NO END OF DEBAIT, IT ALL MANTRA > > YANTRA > > > > ALL > > > > > > > THESE > > > > > > > > > ARE > > > > > > > > > > > > BELIEFE > > > > > > > > > > > > > BASED ON ASTI OR NASTI ONLY. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WORSHIP OF ALMIGHTY DOES NOT NEED ANY > THING, > > NO > > > > > > MANTRA > > > > > > > OR > > > > > > > > > > YANTRA > > > > > > > > > > > > IS > > > > > > > > > > > > > NEEDED - WHEN YOU CALL HIM BY YOUR HEART > AND > > > SOUL > > > > IN > > > > > > ANY > > > > > > > > > > > > LANGUAGE - > > > > > > > > > > > > > ALLWAYS ANSWERED - THE ONLY CONDITION YOU > > MUST > > > BE > > > > > > > CLEAN, > > > > > > > > > > CLEAR, > > > > > > > > > > > > PURE, > > > > > > > > > > > > > THEN ONLY REPLY WILL COME VERY FAST > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (EXAMPLE : when you boil water , if water > is > > > > clean, > > > > > > > > clear, > > > > > > > > > > pure > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > take few minutes to boil, BUT if water is > too > > > mudy > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > impure > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > mix > > > > > > > > > > > > > of dirt or other things, it take long time > to > > > get > > > > > > > boiled) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soul is like water, if it is clean , clear, > > > pure, > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > prayer > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > reply fast, but if it is not clean, clear, > > pure, > > > > > > Reply > > > > > > > > must > > > > > > > > > > come > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > it will take it own time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By just chanting His/ Her name with > > > unconditional > > > > > > love > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vidhana, will clear your all karmas, your > all > > > > > > impurity > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > fast > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > you will be blessed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even Though people want to Proseed Mantras > > then > > > > they > > > > > > > Must > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > > about Mantra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > Niket > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . > > > > > > com, " jk.dasgupta " > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raja, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you add OM, all doshas of the mantra > is > > > > > > removed. > > > > > > > > > Else > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > are some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > perticular methods to match the mantra > with > > > the > > > > > > > native. > > > > > > > > > > Else > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > creat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > havoc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you know if Lord Hanuman is at all > > > > > > interested > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > protecting > > > > > > > > > > > > > you? Lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hanuman is represented by Mars. It all > > > depends > > > > > upon > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > placement > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Mars in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your chart. I know one case, where Mars > was > > > in > > > > 5H > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > started > > > > > > > > > > > > > chanting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hanuman mantra. His home started > trembling. > > > Why? > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > is maraka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the 12th house from it. 12th from 5th > is > > > 4th > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > jala > > > > > > > > > > > > > tattwa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And tattwa of Mars is agni. So you can > > > > understand > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > happened. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Either agni > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will get finished or jala will get > finished. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are more things. You want > protection > > > from > > > > > > > > shatrus. > > > > > > > > > > None > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > do it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > except your Palana Devata. It is denoted > by > > > the > > > > > 6th > > > > > > > > > planet > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (if there is no planet) from Chara Amatma > > > > Karaka > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > Navamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, > > > > > > > > > > > > > If any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planet is sitting in 5th hose in rashi, > > that > > > has > > > > > > got > > > > > > > > > power > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > make > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dance - specially so, if it is in > dusthana > > > from > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you want spiritual progress, it is > your > > > Ista > > > > > who > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > help. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ista > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > denoted by the planet in 12th House or > the > > > 12th > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > (if > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planet) from Chara Atma karaka. Which > planet > > > > > > denotes > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > diety are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explained in BPHS and Prashna Margam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you see, that it is not necessary that > > > your > > > > > wish > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > fullfilled by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just reciting a mantra. I know one case, > by > > > > > > reciting > > > > > > > > ari- > > > > > > > > > > > mantra, > > > > > > > > > > > > > one lost > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his only son. All these are to be seen > while > > > > > > > selecting > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > mantra > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > person. These are all knowledges > available > > in > > > > > > > > paramparas > > > > > > > > > > only. > > > > > > > > > > > > Pt. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanjay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rath - in his book " Vedic Remedies in > > > Astrology " > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > brought > > > > > > > > > > > > out in > > > > > > > > > > > > > clarity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So it is always better to recite the > > > prashiddha > > > > > > > > mantras, > > > > > > > > > > > unless > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > proper guidance. I will try to make a > brief > > > > write > > > > > > up > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > mantra, > > > > > > > > > > > > > different > > > > > > > > > > > > > > types and how to understand the effect of > > any > > > > > > > > perticular > > > > > > > > > > > mantra > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > post it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the list - whenever i find some time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [@ . > com] > > On > > > > > > Behalf > > > > > > > Of > > > > > > > > Raja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, January 01, 2009 7:57 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: swaha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dasguptaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i dont understand. This is a hanuman > mantra > > > > > > supposed > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > protect > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shatrus or rog etc so why do i have to be > > > > > carefull? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you stating that it is doing opposite > > > than > > > > > what > > > > > > i > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > thinking > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If i remove OM from it, it becomes 5 > word, > > > does > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > mean > > > > > > > > > > it'd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strengthen lagna from 5th house? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please shed some light. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > raja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . > > > > > > > com, " jk.dasgupta " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, but be carefull what you want. > This > > is > > > a > > > > 6 > > > > > > > words > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > 13 > > > > > > > > > > > > > letter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mantra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That means it will draw energy from your > > > > > > > shatrubhava > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > rogabhava > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and give > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > result on yr lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [@ . > > com] > > > On > > > > > > > Behalf Of > > > > > > > > > Raja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, December 31, 2008 1:52 > PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: swaha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so is it ok to chant swaha mantra i.e.. > > om > > > > shri > > > > > > > hari > > > > > > > > > > > markatam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > markatay swaha... without any homam > > ahuti..? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . > > > > > > > com, " jk.dasgupta " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raja, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swaha and Swadha are two wives of > Agni. > > > > Swaha > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > generalyy > > > > > > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > offering > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something to Devas or in homams and > > > Swadha > > > > is > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > sraddha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karmas for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pittris. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now there are many types of mantras. > > Two > > > are > > > > > > > main, > > > > > > > > i.e > > > > > > > > > > > > `Namah' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mantras where > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > `Namah' is used at the end. These > types > > of > > > > > > > mantras > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > surrender to the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord. But mantras ending with `Swaha' > > are > > > > > > > somewhat > > > > > > > > > > forcing > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Devata to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > grant the result. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So `Namah' mantras are always better - > > > as > > > > the > > > > > > > Lord > > > > > > > > > knows > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suitable for us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . > com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [@ > . > > > com] > > > > On > > > > > > > Behalf > > > > > > > > Of > > > > > > > > > > Raja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, December 31, 2008 > > 12:19 > > > PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > swaha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many mantras have " swaha " at the end > of > > > > them. > > > > > I > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > during havana also that these kind of > > > mantra > > > > > > > > > > > requires " homa " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (i.e.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some sort of havan ahuti) while > > chanting > > > yet > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > mantras > > > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are chanted with swaha on day to day > > basis > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > havan. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wanted to ask learned ones' opinion > > about > > > > this > > > > > > > > matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message > have > > > been > > > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have > > been > > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have > been > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have > been > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 No, Rahu and Ketu are always opposite. While Rahu promotes bhoga, Ketu promotes spirituality. That does not mean Rahu is bad. Rahu is the master of mantras, both good and evil. He is also the keeper of Patanjali Yoga Sutras. In this way - he is even better that Jupiter. As Jupiter masters only good mantras. :-) There are no better giver of materialistic fortune than Rahu and Saturn. Ketu also when gives (11th in Navamsa or in Nadi dreskana which is called Jagannath dreskana in our parampara), he gives blindly. Regards Jk On Behalf Of Raja Friday, January 02, 2009 12:27 PM Re: All is Maya - hehe well kaliyug is ruled by Rahu means it is also supported ruled by ketu which is giver of moksha isn't it? , " jk.dasgupta " <jk.dasgupta wrote: > > Dear RRji, > > What Niket is talking, I think is the path of getting moksha. In kaliyuga > real bhakti is rare and moksha is very difficult. > > Kaliyuga is ruled by Rahu and in this yuga only rules laid by Sri Krishna, > in Mahabharata and Geeta will pull us out from the sufferings injected by > Rahu - the Kaal naaga. Who else other that Sri Krishan can control the > dangerous sarpa called Kaaliya? > > Who comes to an astrologer if he is not suffering in this life? He who is > enjoying or passing through a good time, has no time to visit an astrologer. > He who is in the path of moksha, does not require an astrologer - as > tomorrow has no meaning for them. > > Many people come to me asking " when I can get moksha? " . This question points > towards their frustation in life. My simple answer to them always is - one > should never try to run away from the sufferings of this life, rectify it > properly, complete the bhogas in totality whether good or bad. Moksha will > come in its own course. > > Let us be honest and accept that, we are all bhogis and we all aspire for > prosperity and happiness in this life, including myself :-). We all aspire > for bhogas of Rahu. > > Regards > > Jk > > > > > On Behalf Of Rohiniranjan > Friday, January 02, 2009 9:47 AM > > Re: All is Maya - > > > Dear Niket-ji, > > The " crazy madman " -- as Aadarniya Sunil ji chose to call me > recently -- disagrees! > > Even Tapa and Saadhanaa require FAITH! In the Teacher and the > Teaching of the Ritual! > > Even " experimentation " and 'improvisation', the next step, of what > was learned through a Guru requires Faith! Faith in oneself and one's > learning. Often miscomprehended by critics as " EGO " -- all it > represents really is a personal resolve that says, 'I have chosen the > path and taken the first step; now may the destination teach me how > to proceed!' > > So there is really ONE option and one path! :-) > > Rohiniranjan > > , " astroiniket " > <nakshtraniket@> wrote: > > > > Yes dear Prashantji, as i have already posted in my privious posts > > few months back : > > > > if one want to achive his target their are only 2 ways. > > > > 1. first is Tapa or Sadhna in which 100% proces + Knowledge + Focus > + > > System + Method Required and it is based on Mantra - doer will get > > 100% sure Results as wanted, no value of Faith here. becoz here > > system is working. > > > > > > 2. Second path is Bhakti: nothing is required, only unconditional > > love and 100% devotion, Blind faith, Required, and the Person must > be > > able to give desired things to others. > > > > > > the diffrence is on first way you get what you want, BUT on second > > path you get all withoust asking, even more then that, as well as > you > > also able to give desired things to Others. you got powers of > > almighty. > > > > > > Choice is ours, First way is Easy for those who have strong will > > power, and fire to achive their worldly things. > > > > > > Second Path is not easy - not at all............it needs lot of > > things which we can do but do not want to do. the problem is our > > knowledge here, our own mind, our thoughts, our selfishness, we do > > not want to see almighty in all. > > > > simple thing : > > > > when you cant love by heart n soul to those whom you can see and > you > > live with. > > > > Then how can you Love to whom , which you never seen. > > > > if you are able to love all by heart, then only you can clear Prep > or > > KG of Bhakti Marga. > > > > > > Rest ALL is MAYA. > > > > OM GYANINAMAPI CHETANSI DEVI BHAGVATI HI SA > > BALADAKRASHYA MOHAY MAHAMAYA PRAYACHATI. > > > > > > regards > > Niket > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Nikit, Raja > > > > > > well all the points covered here can be split into a few parts > > > > > > just like a good analysis, diagnosis and treatment has its own > > desired results > > > > > > so too a Mantra invokation, recitation will help in much better > way > > if it coming from a elderly person a GURU, or one of tohe two > parents > > done in the prescribed manner. > > > > > > Bhakti has its own dimension where it is unqualified devotion, > > irrespective of the challenges ones faith is steadfast and > > unwavering, the toad is rough but the DESTINATION is a beautiful > one > > if we See Dhruva, Markendaya, Prahalada, Hanuman, Annamacharya , > > Tyagaraja, Kabir, Tulsidas, Basaeshwara, Gnaneshwara, Sant Govind > > singh, Sri ramakrishna, Swami Vivekananda, Chaitanya prabhu, ramana > > Mahirishi and a the list is endless.. there is merit in every case. > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > astroiniket <nakshtraniket@> > > > > > > Thursday, January 1, 2009 2:32:47 PM > > > Re: swaha - why i am not agree > > > > > > > > > dear friends do not include Bhakti in my saying. excluding that : > > > > > > as you are taking med, you have faith in med or not - no matter - > > if > > > med is strong - and rightly prescribed - and diagnosed - you must > > see > > > or feel effect of med. > > > > > > same Mantras : if you follow Perfect process, you have faith or > > not - > > > no matter - your - (Selection of Mantra + process of Mantra + > > > Materiel + strong will+ focus on target) must give you desired > > result. > > > > > > I am agree one must need a guru to understand and perform all > this. > > > > > > BUT > > > > > > up to a certain level - horoscope - Grah (planets) - nakshtras - > > > knowledge - mantras - yantras - tantra is identified but their is > > one > > > more level beyond this level " Where all these things does not > have > > > any value - that is Bhakti. " > > > > > > in Bhakti nothing is required - Only unconditional love - rest is > > > Headache of almighty and belief me you never feel any need to ask > > any > > > thing. all will be taken care. and you will get all without doing > > any > > > thing. > > > > > > as shree Hanuman Got ashirwad from Maa " Ajar, Amar, Gun Nidhi, > Sut > > > tum Hoyu " ( o my sun you will be sea of all Gunas, Siddhis, > Nidhis, > > > all type of wealth, you will be immortal, you never be old, you > > will > > > be beyond time and it's control and effects) and see Lord hanuman > > is > > > able to give any thing. a lot of can be said. but all these > things > > > can be written in words. > > > > > > rgds > > > Niket > > > > > > , " Raja " <desi.raja@ ..> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I stand corrected. Case studies i assume can be as emipirical > > proof > > > > as any scientific verification. I was just attempting to > balance > > > the > > > > arguments. > > > > > > > > , " astroiniket " > > > > <nakshtraniket@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > dear Raja, > > > > > in what context you are asking to prove ? what you want to > > > verify ? > > > > > pls clear dot points. > > > > > > > > > > rgds > > > > > Niker > > > > > , " Raja " > <desi.raja@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > see , what you two have been discussing is theoritical > > science > > > > and > > > > > in > > > > > > no way it can empirically be verified hence there is no way > > for > > > > > > proving who is right and who is not. Different mind has > > > diffrent > > > > > > theories and it very well may lead to a single ultimate > > > > destination > > > > > > but how do we verify as no such method exist to verify. > > > > > > > > > > > > fascinating. I am glad that i joined this group. > > > > > > > > > > > > , " jk.dasgupta " > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I fully agree with you :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > []On Behalf Of > > > > astroiniket > > > > > > > Thursday, January 01, 2009 12:28 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: swaha - why i am not agree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my dear friend - some time knowledge is door of Haven, > > and > > > > some > > > > > > time > > > > > > > it is door of Hell. Depends. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as almighty is concern - no knowledge is required. as > > world > > > is > > > > > > > concern a lot of knowledge is also very very less. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kind regards > > > > > > > Niket > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . com, " jk.dasgupta " > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think Parashara and Neelakantha knows better than > us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What you are telling is perfectly alright - when > doing > > > puja > > > > > > without > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > vasana and just for spiritual progress. But when > > material > > > > > > progress > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > required, rules are different. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In your other mail you have mentioned that you have > all > > > the > > > > > > books. > > > > > > > Then you > > > > > > > > must be knowing more than me. I do not have those > > books, > > > > nor > > > > > I > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > Sanskrit. I only follow my Guru's words. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What you have mentioned about Dr. Srimali is your > > > personal > > > > > > openion. > > > > > > > I do not > > > > > > > > agree with it. I know him personally and got benefits. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I also do not follow the ideas of his > family > > > > > members > > > > > > > holding the > > > > > > > > reign. It is also my personal openion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > []On Behalf > Of > > > > > > astroiniket > > > > > > > > Thursday, January 01, 2009 12:02 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: swaha - why i am not agree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. " When you add OM, all doshas of the mantra is > > removed. " > > > > > > > > sir prefixing of Om cant remove any dosha of any > mantra > > > > there > > > > > > are > > > > > > > 32 > > > > > > > > dosha in mantra - which only can be removed by doing > > > perfect > > > > > > > vidhana. > > > > > > > > may see shloka in rgveda " asya mantrani karkam > > devhelnat " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. None of diety (form of almighty) is not bound only > > with > > > > > > > planets. > > > > > > > > as lord Hanuman was born on Tuesday so people > consider > > > him > > > > > lord > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > Mars, and few people consider Lord Kartikey also lord > > of > > > > > Mars. > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > actual it is nothing to do with Mars. Mars consider > as > > > > > > Bhumiputra > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > govern by self. Mars is self demi diety. see refrence > in > > > > > > > > samveda " nanvatenya angaraka bhumiputro shivasya > > > > saranchanam, > > > > > > tsya > > > > > > > > alokya...... may read full in original " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. All mantras have their own nature, yes agni Beez > > > mantra > > > > > cant > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > used with Jala Beez Mantra, but it can be used when > > Prana > > > > > > > pratishtha > > > > > > > > is needed for any mantra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. whom to worship for what - one has to worship only > > one > > > > form > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > one is his / her Ishta Devi or Devta. may be saakar > > rupa > > > or > > > > > > > nirakaar > > > > > > > > rupa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > their is nothing which your Ishta Dev or Devi cant > give > > > > you, > > > > > > when > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > leave your Isht and run here n their it means you > have > > > > doubt > > > > > in > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > or her powers, kindly remember Almighty is only one, > > have > > > > all > > > > > > > forms. > > > > > > > > Rama or krishna or hanuman or shakti or ganesha or > any > > > one > > > > > all > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > forms of one only one The Suprem Personality The > > Almighty > > > > God. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if one falls in Mantra then must know complete > Vidhana, > > > > > > otherwise > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > just simple Prayer, Prayer is one of the most > Powerful > > > tool > > > > in > > > > > > > hand > > > > > > > > of Human beings, Their all billions of people who > even > > > does > > > > > not > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > any Mantra, who even does not know Rama or Krishna, > > they > > > > > worship > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > almighty in other Form/s. most of people do only > prayer > > > on > > > > > this > > > > > > > earth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This all things only on your belief, what ever you > > > belief, > > > > it > > > > > > > comes > > > > > > > > in same reply. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in end - ANY ONE WHO TAKE ALMIGHTY'S NAME - ANY NAME - > > > OR > > > > > PRAY > > > > > > IN > > > > > > > ANY > > > > > > > > LANGUAGE OR FROM - MUST BLESSED. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THEIR IS NO END OF DEBAIT, IT ALL MANTRA YANTRA ALL > > THESE > > > > ARE > > > > > > > BELIEFE > > > > > > > > BASED ON ASTI OR NASTI ONLY. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WORSHIP OF ALMIGHTY DOES NOT NEED ANY THING, NO > MANTRA > > OR > > > > > YANTRA > > > > > > > IS > > > > > > > > NEEDED - WHEN YOU CALL HIM BY YOUR HEART AND SOUL IN > ANY > > > > > > > LANGUAGE - > > > > > > > > ALLWAYS ANSWERED - THE ONLY CONDITION YOU MUST BE > > CLEAN, > > > > > CLEAR, > > > > > > > PURE, > > > > > > > > THEN ONLY REPLY WILL COME VERY FAST > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (EXAMPLE : when you boil water , if water is clean, > > > clear, > > > > > pure > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > take few minutes to boil, BUT if water is too mudy > and > > > > impure > > > > > > and > > > > > > > mix > > > > > > > > of dirt or other things, it take long time to get > > boiled) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soul is like water, if it is clean , clear, pure, > your > > > > prayer > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > reply fast, but if it is not clean, clear, pure, > Reply > > > must > > > > > come > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > it will take it own time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By just chanting His/ Her name with unconditional > love > > > > > without > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > Vidhana, will clear your all karmas, your all > impurity > > > very > > > > > fast > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > you will be blessed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even Though people want to Proseed Mantras then they > > Must > > > > > know > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > about Mantra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > Niket > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . > com, " jk.dasgupta " > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raja, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you add OM, all doshas of the mantra is > removed. > > > > Else > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > are some > > > > > > > > > perticular methods to match the mantra with the > > native. > > > > > Else > > > > > > it > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > creat > > > > > > > > > havoc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you know if Lord Hanuman is at all > interested > > in > > > > > > > protecting > > > > > > > > you? Lord > > > > > > > > > Hanuman is represented by Mars. It all depends upon > > the > > > > > > > placement > > > > > > > > of Mars in > > > > > > > > > your chart. I know one case, where Mars was in 5H > and > > > he > > > > > > started > > > > > > > > chanting > > > > > > > > > Hanuman mantra. His home started trembling. Why? > > > because > > > > any > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > is maraka > > > > > > > > > of the 12th house from it. 12th from 5th is 4th > house > > > > which > > > > > is > > > > > > > jala > > > > > > > > tattwa. > > > > > > > > > And tattwa of Mars is agni. So you can understand > > what > > > > > > happened. > > > > > > > > Either agni > > > > > > > > > will get finished or jala will get finished. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are more things. You want protection from > > > shatrus. > > > > > None > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > do it > > > > > > > > > except your Palana Devata. It is denoted by the 6th > > > > planet > > > > > of > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > 6th lord > > > > > > > > > (if there is no planet) from Chara Amatma Karaka in > > > > Navamsa. > > > > > > > Also, > > > > > > > > If any > > > > > > > > > planet is sitting in 5th hose in rashi, that has > got > > > > power > > > > > to > > > > > > > make > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > dance - specially so, if it is in dusthana from > Lagna > > > > lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you want spiritual progress, it is your Ista who > > > will > > > > > help. > > > > > > > Ista > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > denoted by the planet in 12th House or the 12th > lord > > > (if > > > > > there > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > planet) from Chara Atma karaka. Which planet > denotes > > > which > > > > > > > diety are > > > > > > > > > explained in BPHS and Prashna Margam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you see, that it is not necessary that your wish > > > will > > > > be > > > > > > > > fullfilled by > > > > > > > > > just reciting a mantra. I know one case, by > reciting > > > ari- > > > > > > mantra, > > > > > > > > one lost > > > > > > > > > his only son. All these are to be seen while > > selecting > > > a > > > > > > mantra > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > person. These are all knowledges available in > > > paramparas > > > > > only. > > > > > > > Pt. > > > > > > > > Sanjay > > > > > > > > > Rath - in his book " Vedic Remedies in Astrology " > has > > > > brought > > > > > > > out in > > > > > > > > clarity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So it is always better to recite the prashiddha > > > mantras, > > > > > > unless > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > proper guidance. I will try to make a brief write > up > > on > > > > > > mantra, > > > > > > > > different > > > > > > > > > types and how to understand the effect of any > > > perticular > > > > > > mantra > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > post it > > > > > > > > > in the list - whenever i find some time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > []On > Behalf > > Of > > > Raja > > > > > > > > > Thursday, January 01, 2009 7:57 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: swaha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dasguptaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i dont understand. This is a hanuman mantra > supposed > > to > > > > > > protect > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > shatrus or rog etc so why do i have to be carefull? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you stating that it is doing opposite than what > i > > am > > > > > > > thinking > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > should? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If i remove OM from it, it becomes 5 word, does > that > > > mean > > > > > it'd > > > > > > > > > strengthen lagna from 5th house? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please shed some light. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > > > > > > raja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . > > com, " jk.dasgupta " > > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, but be carefull what you want. This is a 6 > > words > > > > and > > > > > 13 > > > > > > > > letter > > > > > > > > > mantra. > > > > > > > > > > That means it will draw energy from your > > shatrubhava > > > or > > > > > > > > rogabhava > > > > > > > > > and give > > > > > > > > > > result on yr lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > []On > > Behalf Of > > > > Raja > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, December 31, 2008 1:52 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: swaha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so is it ok to chant swaha mantra i.e.. om shri > > hari > > > > > > markatam > > > > > > > > > > markatay swaha... without any homam ahuti..? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . > > com, " jk.dasgupta " > > > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raja, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swaha and Swadha are two wives of Agni. Swaha > is > > > > > generalyy > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > offering > > > > > > > > > > > something to Devas or in homams and Swadha is > > used > > > in > > > > > > > sraddha > > > > > > > > > > karmas for > > > > > > > > > > > Pittris. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now there are many types of mantras. Two are > > main, > > > i.e > > > > > > > `Namah' > > > > > > > > > > mantras where > > > > > > > > > > > `Namah' is used at the end. These types of > > mantras > > > > are > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > surrender to the > > > > > > > > > > > lord. But mantras ending with `Swaha' are > > somewhat > > > > > forcing > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > Devata to > > > > > > > > > > > grant the result. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So `Namah' mantras are always better - as the > > Lord > > > > knows > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > best > > > > > > > > > > > suitable for us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > []On > > Behalf > > > Of > > > > > Raja > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, December 31, 2008 12:19 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > swaha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many mantras have " swaha " at the end of them. I > > > have > > > > > read > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > > > > during havana also that these kind of mantra > > > > > > requires " homa " > > > > > > > > > > (i.e.. > > > > > > > > > > > some sort of havan ahuti) while chanting yet > some > > > > > mantras > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > > > > are chanted with swaha on day to day basis > where > > > > there > > > > > is > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > havan. I > > > > > > > > > > > wanted to ask learned ones' opinion about this > > > matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 Dear Girish, Just to inject a serious note into this fishing expedition ;-) Fishing can be a lot of fun if your life does not depend on it and neither does of those who depend on you to bring home the catch (translation=You are not a fisherman by vocation!). And that describes most of us, does it not? The real fishermen have TV Shows ... RR , " girish_raheja " <girish_raheja wrote: > > AMEN !! > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > Thanks! I will wait until the remaining fishermen in our club > arrive > > and we all collectively go 'fishing'! ;-) > > > > RR > > > > > > , " girish_raheja " > > <girish_raheja@> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Rohiniranjan ji, > > > > > > Oooops ! > > > > > > A small Cuban town of fishermen ! > > > > > > Sorry > > > > > > With respect, > > > > > > Girish Raheja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > While I *love* your posting and admiration, the word that > really > > > > bothers me in your message is, " Village! " > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > , " girish_raheja " > > > > <girish_raheja@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Respected Rohiniranjan ji, > > > > > > > > > > Do you remember Santiago ? > > > > > > > > > > The protagonist of 'Old Man and the Sea' by E. Hemingway. > > > > Santiago's > > > > > entire village considered him a 'crazy old man' > > > > > > > > > > I love and admire the Old Man; crazy or otherwise. I consider > > him > > > > an > > > > > epitome of self actualisation. > > > > > > > > > > With respect, > > > > > > > > > > Girish Raheja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > > > > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope the madman did not start (=stir) another bout of 32 > Hz > > > > > > activity that makes Yogis hop and levitate! > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry!! > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > , " jk.dasgupta " > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What Niket is talking, I think is the path of getting > > moksha. > > > > In > > > > > > kaliyuga > > > > > > > real bhakti is rare and moksha is very difficult. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kaliyuga is ruled by Rahu and in this yuga only rules > laid > > by > > > > Sri > > > > > > Krishna, > > > > > > > in Mahabharata and Geeta will pull us out from the > > sufferings > > > > > > injected by > > > > > > > Rahu - the Kaal naaga. Who else other that Sri Krishan > can > > > > > control > > > > > > the > > > > > > > dangerous sarpa called Kaaliya? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who comes to an astrologer if he is not suffering in this > > > life? > > > > > He > > > > > > who is > > > > > > > enjoying or passing through a good time, has no time to > > visit > > > > an > > > > > > astrologer. > > > > > > > He who is in the path of moksha, does not require an > > > > astrologer - > > > > > as > > > > > > > tomorrow has no meaning for them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many people come to me asking " when I can get moksha? " . > > This > > > > > > question points > > > > > > > towards their frustation in life. My simple answer to > them > > > > always > > > > > > is - one > > > > > > > should never try to run away from the sufferings of this > > > life, > > > > > > rectify it > > > > > > > properly, complete the bhogas in totality whether good or > > > bad. > > > > > > Moksha will > > > > > > > come in its own course. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us be honest and accept that, we are all bhogis and > we > > > all > > > > > > aspire for > > > > > > > prosperity and happiness in this life, including myself :- > > ). > > > We > > > > > all > > > > > > aspire > > > > > > > for bhogas of Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > Friday, January 02, 2009 9:47 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: All is Maya - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Niket-ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The " crazy madman " -- as Aadarniya Sunil ji chose to > call > > me > > > > > > > recently -- disagrees! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even Tapa and Saadhanaa require FAITH! In the Teacher > and > > > the > > > > > > > Teaching of the Ritual! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even " experimentation " and 'improvisation', the next > > step, > > > of > > > > > what > > > > > > > was learned through a Guru requires Faith! Faith in > > oneself > > > > and > > > > > > one's > > > > > > > learning. Often miscomprehended by critics as " EGO " -- > > all > > > it > > > > > > > represents really is a personal resolve that says, 'I > > have > > > > > chosen > > > > > > the > > > > > > > path and taken the first step; now may the destination > > > teach > > > > me > > > > > > how > > > > > > > to proceed!' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So there is really ONE option and one path! :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " astroiniket " > > > > > > > <nakshtraniket@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes dear Prashantji, as i have already posted in my > > > > privious > > > > > > posts > > > > > > > > few months back : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if one want to achive his target their are only 2 > ways. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. first is Tapa or Sadhna in which 100% proces + > > > Knowledge > > > > + > > > > > > Focus > > > > > > > + > > > > > > > > System + Method Required and it is based on Mantra - > > doer > > > > > will > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > 100% sure Results as wanted, no value of Faith here. > > > becoz > > > > > here > > > > > > > > system is working. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Second path is Bhakti: nothing is required, only > > > > > > unconditional > > > > > > > > love and 100% devotion, Blind faith, Required, and > the > > > > Person > > > > > > must > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > able to give desired things to others. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the diffrence is on first way you get what you want, > > BUT > > > on > > > > > > second > > > > > > > > path you get all withoust asking, even more then > that, > > as > > > > > well > > > > > > as > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > also able to give desired things to Others. you got > > > powers > > > > of > > > > > > > > almighty. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Choice is ours, First way is Easy for those who have > > > strong > > > > > will > > > > > > > > power, and fire to achive their worldly things. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Second Path is not easy - not at all............it > > needs > > > > lot > > > > > of > > > > > > > > things which we can do but do not want to do. the > > problem > > > > is > > > > > our > > > > > > > > knowledge here, our own mind, our thoughts, our > > > > selfishness, > > > > > we > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > not want to see almighty in all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > simple thing : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when you cant love by heart n soul to those whom you > > can > > > > see > > > > > and > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > live with. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then how can you Love to whom , which you never seen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if you are able to love all by heart, then only you > can > > > > clear > > > > > > Prep > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > KG of Bhakti Marga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rest ALL is MAYA. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OM GYANINAMAPI CHETANSI DEVI BHAGVATI HI SA > > > > > > > > BALADAKRASHYA MOHAY MAHAMAYA PRAYACHATI. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > Niket > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant > Kumar > > G > > > B > > > > > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nikit, Raja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well all the points covered here can be split into > a > > > few > > > > > parts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just like a good analysis, diagnosis and treatment > > has > > > > its > > > > > own > > > > > > > > desired results > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so too a Mantra invokation, recitation will help in > > > much > > > > > > better > > > > > > > way > > > > > > > > if it coming from a elderly person a GURU, or one of > > tohe > > > > two > > > > > > > parents > > > > > > > > done in the prescribed manner. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhakti has its own dimension where it is > unqualified > > > > > devotion, > > > > > > > > irrespective of the challenges ones faith is > steadfast > > and > > > > > > > > unwavering, the toad is rough but the DESTINATION is > a > > > > > beautiful > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > if we See Dhruva, Markendaya, Prahalada, Hanuman, > > > > > Annamacharya , > > > > > > > > Tyagaraja, Kabir, Tulsidas, Basaeshwara, Gnaneshwara, > > > Sant > > > > > > Govind > > > > > > > > singh, Sri ramakrishna, Swami Vivekananda, Chaitanya > > > > prabhu, > > > > > > ramana > > > > > > > > Mahirishi and a the list is endless.. there is merit > in > > > > every > > > > > > case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > astroiniket <nakshtraniket@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, January 1, 2009 2:32:47 PM > > > > > > > > > Re: swaha - why i am not agree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear friends do not include Bhakti in my saying. > > > > excluding > > > > > > that : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as you are taking med, you have faith in med or > not - > > > no > > > > > > matter - > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > med is strong - and rightly prescribed - and > > diagnosed - > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > must > > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > or feel effect of med. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same Mantras : if you follow Perfect process, you > > have > > > > > faith > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > not - > > > > > > > > > no matter - your - (Selection of Mantra + process > of > > > > Mantra > > > > > + > > > > > > > > > Materiel + strong will+ focus on target) must give > > you > > > > > desired > > > > > > > > result. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am agree one must need a guru to understand and > > > perform > > > > > all > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BUT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > up to a certain level - horoscope - Grah (planets) - > > > > > > > nakshtras - > > > > > > > > > knowledge - mantras - yantras - tantra is > identified > > > but > > > > > > their is > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > more level beyond this level " Where all these > things > > > does > > > > > not > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > any value - that is Bhakti. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in Bhakti nothing is required - Only unconditional > > > love - > > > > > > rest is > > > > > > > > > Headache of almighty and belief me you never feel > any > > > > need > > > > > to > > > > > > ask > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > thing. all will be taken care. and you will get all > > > > without > > > > > > doing > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > thing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as shree Hanuman Got ashirwad from Maa " Ajar, > Amar, > > > Gun > > > > > > Nidhi, > > > > > > > Sut > > > > > > > > > tum Hoyu " ( o my sun you will be sea of all Gunas, > > > > Siddhis, > > > > > > > Nidhis, > > > > > > > > > all type of wealth, you will be immortal, you never > > be > > > > old, > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > be beyond time and it's control and effects) and > see > > > Lord > > > > > > hanuman > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > able to give any thing. a lot of can be said. but > all > > > > these > > > > > > > things > > > > > > > > > can be written in words. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rgds > > > > > > > > > Niket > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Raja " > > > > > > <desi.raja@ ..> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I stand corrected. Case studies i assume can be > as > > > > > > emipirical > > > > > > > > proof > > > > > > > > > > as any scientific verification. I was just > > attempting > > > to > > > > > > > balance > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > arguments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . > > > com, " astroiniket " > > > > > > > > > > <nakshtraniket@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear Raja, > > > > > > > > > > > in what context you are asking to prove ? what > > you > > > > want > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > verify ? > > > > > > > > > > > pls clear dot points. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rgds > > > > > > > > > > > Niker > > > > > > > > > > > @ . > com, " Raja " > > > > > > > <desi.raja@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see , what you two have been discussing is > > > > theoritical > > > > > > > > science > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > no way it can empirically be verified hence > > there > > > > is > > > > > no > > > > > > way > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > proving who is right and who is not. > Different > > > mind > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > diffrent > > > > > > > > > > > > theories and it very well may lead to a > single > > > > > ultimate > > > > > > > > > > destination > > > > > > > > > > > > but how do we verify as no such method exist > to > > > > > verify. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fascinating. I am glad that i joined this > group. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . > > > > > com, " jk.dasgupta " > > > > > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I fully agree with you :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [@ . com] > On > > > > > Behalf > > > > > > Of > > > > > > > > > > astroiniket > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, January 01, 2009 12:28 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: swaha - why i am not agree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my dear friend - some time knowledge is > door > > of > > > > > Haven, > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is door of Hell. Depends. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as almighty is concern - no knowledge is > > > > required. > > > > > as > > > > > > > > world > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > concern a lot of knowledge is also very > very > > > less. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kind regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > Niket > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . > > > > > > com, " jk.dasgupta " > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think Parashara and Neelakantha knows > > > better > > > > > than > > > > > > > us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What you are telling is perfectly > alright - > > > when > > > > > > > doing > > > > > > > > > puja > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vasana and just for spiritual progress. > But > > > when > > > > > > > > material > > > > > > > > > > > > progress > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > required, rules are different. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In your other mail you have mentioned > that > > > you > > > > > have > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > books. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must be knowing more than me. I do not > have > > > > those > > > > > > > > books, > > > > > > > > > > nor > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanskrit. I only follow my Guru's words. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What you have mentioned about Dr. Srimali > > is > > > > your > > > > > > > > > personal > > > > > > > > > > > > openion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agree with it. I know him personally and > > got > > > > > > benefits. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I also do not follow the ideas > > of > > > his > > > > > > > family > > > > > > > > > > > members > > > > > > > > > > > > > holding the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reign. It is also my personal openion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [@ . > com] > > On > > > > > Behalf > > > > > > > Of > > > > > > > > > > > > astroiniket > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, January 01, 2009 12:02 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: swaha - why i am not > agree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. " When you add OM, all doshas of the > > mantra > > > is > > > > > > > > removed. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sir prefixing of Om cant remove any dosha > > of > > > any > > > > > > > mantra > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > 32 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dosha in mantra - which only can be > removed > > > by > > > > > doing > > > > > > > > > perfect > > > > > > > > > > > > > vidhana. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > may see shloka in rgveda " asya mantrani > > karkam > > > > > > > > devhelnat " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. None of diety (form of almighty) is > not > > > > bound > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > planets. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as lord Hanuman was born on Tuesday so > > people > > > > > > > consider > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars, and few people consider Lord > Kartikey > > > > also > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > Mars. > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actual it is nothing to do with Mars. > Mars > > > > > consider > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhumiputra > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > govern by self. Mars is self demi diety. > > see > > > > > > refrence > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > samveda " nanvatenya angaraka bhumiputro > > > shivasya > > > > > > > > > > saranchanam, > > > > > > > > > > > > tsya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > alokya...... may read full in original " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. All mantras have their own nature, yes > > > agni > > > > > Beez > > > > > > > > > mantra > > > > > > > > > > > cant > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > used with Jala Beez Mantra, but it can be > > > used > > > > > when > > > > > > > > Prana > > > > > > > > > > > > > pratishtha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is needed for any mantra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. whom to worship for what - one has to > > > > worship > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > form > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one is his / her Ishta Devi or Devta. may > > be > > > > > saakar > > > > > > > > rupa > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > nirakaar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rupa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > their is nothing which your Ishta Dev or > > Devi > > > > cant > > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > > > you, > > > > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave your Isht and run here n their it > > means > > > > you > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > doubt > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or her powers, kindly remember Almighty > is > > > only > > > > > one, > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > > forms. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rama or krishna or hanuman or shakti or > > > ganesha > > > > or > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forms of one only one The Suprem > > Personality > > > The > > > > > > > > Almighty > > > > > > > > > > God. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if one falls in Mantra then must know > > complete > > > > > > > Vidhana, > > > > > > > > > > > > otherwise > > > > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just simple Prayer, Prayer is one of the > > most > > > > > > > Powerful > > > > > > > > > tool > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > hand > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Human beings, Their all billions of > > people > > > > who > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any Mantra, who even does not know Rama > or > > > > > Krishna, > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > > worship > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > almighty in other Form/s. most of people > do > > > only > > > > > > > prayer > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > earth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This all things only on your belief, what > > > ever > > > > you > > > > > > > > > belief, > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in same reply. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in end - ANY ONE WHO TAKE ALMIGHTY'S > NAME - > > > ANY > > > > > > NAME - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OR > > > > > > > > > > > PRAY > > > > > > > > > > > > IN > > > > > > > > > > > > > ANY > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LANGUAGE OR FROM - MUST BLESSED. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THEIR IS NO END OF DEBAIT, IT ALL MANTRA > > > YANTRA > > > > > ALL > > > > > > > > THESE > > > > > > > > > > ARE > > > > > > > > > > > > > BELIEFE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BASED ON ASTI OR NASTI ONLY. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WORSHIP OF ALMIGHTY DOES NOT NEED ANY > > THING, > > > NO > > > > > > > MANTRA > > > > > > > > OR > > > > > > > > > > > YANTRA > > > > > > > > > > > > > IS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NEEDED - WHEN YOU CALL HIM BY YOUR HEART > > AND > > > > SOUL > > > > > IN > > > > > > > ANY > > > > > > > > > > > > > LANGUAGE - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ALLWAYS ANSWERED - THE ONLY CONDITION YOU > > > MUST > > > > BE > > > > > > > > CLEAN, > > > > > > > > > > > CLEAR, > > > > > > > > > > > > > PURE, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THEN ONLY REPLY WILL COME VERY FAST > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (EXAMPLE : when you boil water , if water > > is > > > > > clean, > > > > > > > > > clear, > > > > > > > > > > > pure > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take few minutes to boil, BUT if water is > > too > > > > mudy > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > impure > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > mix > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of dirt or other things, it take long > time > > to > > > > get > > > > > > > > boiled) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soul is like water, if it is clean , > clear, > > > > pure, > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > prayer > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reply fast, but if it is not clean, > clear, > > > pure, > > > > > > > Reply > > > > > > > > > must > > > > > > > > > > > come > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it will take it own time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By just chanting His/ Her name with > > > > unconditional > > > > > > > love > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vidhana, will clear your all karmas, your > > all > > > > > > > impurity > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > fast > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you will be blessed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even Though people want to Proseed > Mantras > > > then > > > > > they > > > > > > > > Must > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about Mantra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Niket > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . > > > > > > > com, " jk.dasgupta " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raja, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you add OM, all doshas of the > mantra > > is > > > > > > > removed. > > > > > > > > > > Else > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > perticular methods to match the mantra > > with > > > > the > > > > > > > > native. > > > > > > > > > > > Else > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > creat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > havoc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you know if Lord Hanuman is at > all > > > > > > > interested > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > protecting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you? Lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hanuman is represented by Mars. It all > > > > depends > > > > > > upon > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > placement > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Mars in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your chart. I know one case, where Mars > > was > > > > in > > > > > 5H > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > started > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chanting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hanuman mantra. His home started > > trembling. > > > > Why? > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is maraka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the 12th house from it. 12th from > 5th > > is > > > > 4th > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > jala > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tattwa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And tattwa of Mars is agni. So you can > > > > > understand > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > happened. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Either agni > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will get finished or jala will get > > finished. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are more things. You want > > protection > > > > from > > > > > > > > > shatrus. > > > > > > > > > > > None > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > except your Palana Devata. It is > denoted > > by > > > > the > > > > > > 6th > > > > > > > > > > planet > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (if there is no planet) from Chara > Amatma > > > > > Karaka > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > Navamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planet is sitting in 5th hose in rashi, > > > that > > > > has > > > > > > > got > > > > > > > > > > power > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > make > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dance - specially so, if it is in > > dusthana > > > > from > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you want spiritual progress, it is > > your > > > > Ista > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > help. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ista > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > denoted by the planet in 12th House or > > the > > > > 12th > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > (if > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planet) from Chara Atma karaka. Which > > planet > > > > > > > denotes > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > diety are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explained in BPHS and Prashna Margam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you see, that it is not necessary > that > > > > your > > > > > > wish > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fullfilled by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just reciting a mantra. I know one > case, > > by > > > > > > > reciting > > > > > > > > > ari- > > > > > > > > > > > > mantra, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one lost > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his only son. All these are to be seen > > while > > > > > > > > selecting > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > mantra > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > person. These are all knowledges > > available > > > in > > > > > > > > > paramparas > > > > > > > > > > > only. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pt. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanjay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rath - in his book " Vedic Remedies in > > > > Astrology " > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > brought > > > > > > > > > > > > > out in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clarity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So it is always better to recite the > > > > prashiddha > > > > > > > > > mantras, > > > > > > > > > > > > unless > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > proper guidance. I will try to make a > > brief > > > > > write > > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > mantra, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > different > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > types and how to understand the effect > of > > > any > > > > > > > > > perticular > > > > > > > > > > > > mantra > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > post it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the list - whenever i find some time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [@ . > > com] > > > On > > > > > > > Behalf > > > > > > > > Of > > > > > > > > > Raja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, January 01, 2009 7:57 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: swaha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dasguptaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i dont understand. This is a hanuman > > mantra > > > > > > > supposed > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > protect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shatrus or rog etc so why do i have to > be > > > > > > carefull? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you stating that it is doing > opposite > > > > than > > > > > > what > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > > thinking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If i remove OM from it, it becomes 5 > > word, > > > > does > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > mean > > > > > > > > > > > it'd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strengthen lagna from 5th house? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please shed some light. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > raja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . > > > > > > > > com, " jk.dasgupta " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, but be carefull what you want. > > This > > > is > > > > a > > > > > 6 > > > > > > > > words > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > 13 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > letter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mantra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That means it will draw energy from > your > > > > > > > > shatrubhava > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rogabhava > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and give > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > result on yr lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . > com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [@ > . > > > com] > > > > On > > > > > > > > Behalf Of > > > > > > > > > > Raja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, December 31, 2008 > 1:52 > > PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: swaha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so is it ok to chant swaha mantra > i.e.. > > > om > > > > > shri > > > > > > > > hari > > > > > > > > > > > > markatam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > markatay swaha... without any homam > > > ahuti..? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . > > > > > > > > com, " jk.dasgupta " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raja, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swaha and Swadha are two wives of > > Agni. > > > > > Swaha > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > generalyy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > offering > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something to Devas or in homams and > > > > Swadha > > > > > is > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > sraddha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karmas for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pittris. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now there are many types of > mantras. > > > Two > > > > are > > > > > > > > main, > > > > > > > > > i.e > > > > > > > > > > > > > `Namah' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mantras where > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > `Namah' is used at the end. These > > types > > > of > > > > > > > > mantras > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > surrender to the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord. But mantras ending with > `Swaha' > > > are > > > > > > > > somewhat > > > > > > > > > > > forcing > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Devata to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > grant the result. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So `Namah' mantras are always > better - > > > > > as > > > > > the > > > > > > > > Lord > > > > > > > > > > knows > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suitable for us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > . > > com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [@ > > . > > > > com] > > > > > On > > > > > > > > Behalf > > > > > > > > > Of > > > > > > > > > > > Raja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, December 31, 2008 > > > 12:19 > > > > PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . > com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > swaha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many mantras have " swaha " at the > end > > of > > > > > them. > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > during havana also that these kind > of > > > > mantra > > > > > > > > > > > > requires " homa " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (i.e.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some sort of havan ahuti) while > > > chanting > > > > yet > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > mantras > > > > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are chanted with swaha on day to > day > > > basis > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > havan. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wanted to ask learned ones' opinion > > > about > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message > > have > > > > been > > > > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message > have > > > been > > > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have > > been > > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have > > been > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have > been > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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