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Dear Niket-ji,

 

The " crazy madman " -- as Aadarniya Sunil ji chose to call me

recently -- disagrees!

 

Even Tapa and Saadhanaa require FAITH! In the Teacher and the

Teaching of the Ritual!

 

Even " experimentation " and 'improvisation', the next step, of what

was learned through a Guru requires Faith! Faith in oneself and one's

learning. Often miscomprehended by critics as " EGO " -- all it

represents really is a personal resolve that says, 'I have chosen the

path and taken the first step; now may the destination teach me how

to proceed!'

 

So there is really ONE option and one path! :-)

 

Rohiniranjan

 

 

, " astroiniket "

<nakshtraniket wrote:

>

> Yes dear Prashantji, as i have already posted in my privious posts

> few months back :

>

> if one want to achive his target their are only 2 ways.

>

> 1. first is Tapa or Sadhna in which 100% proces + Knowledge + Focus

+

> System + Method Required and it is based on Mantra - doer will get

> 100% sure Results as wanted, no value of Faith here. becoz here

> system is working.

>

>

> 2. Second path is Bhakti: nothing is required, only unconditional

> love and 100% devotion, Blind faith, Required, and the Person must

be

> able to give desired things to others.

>

>

> the diffrence is on first way you get what you want, BUT on second

> path you get all withoust asking, even more then that, as well as

you

> also able to give desired things to Others. you got powers of

> almighty.

>

>

> Choice is ours, First way is Easy for those who have strong will

> power, and fire to achive their worldly things.

>

>

> Second Path is not easy - not at all............it needs lot of

> things which we can do but do not want to do. the problem is our

> knowledge here, our own mind, our thoughts, our selfishness, we do

> not want to see almighty in all.

>

> simple thing :

>

> when you cant love by heart n soul to those whom you can see and

you

> live with.

>

> Then how can you Love to whom , which you never seen.

>

> if you are able to love all by heart, then only you can clear Prep

or

> KG of Bhakti Marga.

>

>

> Rest ALL is MAYA.

>

> OM GYANINAMAPI CHETANSI DEVI BHAGVATI HI SA

> BALADAKRASHYA MOHAY MAHAMAYA PRAYACHATI.

>

>

> regards

> Niket

>

>

> , Prashant Kumar G B

> <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Nikit, Raja

> >

> > well all the points covered here can be split into a few parts

> >

> > just like a good analysis, diagnosis and treatment has its own

> desired results

> >

> > so too a Mantra invokation, recitation will help in much better

way

> if it coming from a elderly person a GURU, or one of tohe two

parents

> done in the prescribed manner.

> >

> > Bhakti has its own dimension where it is unqualified devotion,

> irrespective of the challenges ones faith is steadfast and

> unwavering, the toad is rough but the DESTINATION is a beautiful

one

> if we See Dhruva, Markendaya, Prahalada, Hanuman, Annamacharya ,

> Tyagaraja, Kabir, Tulsidas, Basaeshwara, Gnaneshwara, Sant Govind

> singh, Sri ramakrishna, Swami Vivekananda, Chaitanya prabhu, ramana

> Mahirishi and a the list is endless.. there is merit in every case.

> >

> > Best wishes

> >

> > prashant

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > astroiniket <nakshtraniket@>

> >

> > Thursday, January 1, 2009 2:32:47 PM

> > Re: swaha - why i am not agree

> >

> >

> > dear friends do not include Bhakti in my saying. excluding that :

> >

> > as you are taking med, you have faith in med or not - no matter -

> if

> > med is strong - and rightly prescribed - and diagnosed - you must

> see

> > or feel effect of med.

> >

> > same Mantras : if you follow Perfect process, you have faith or

> not -

> > no matter - your - (Selection of Mantra + process of Mantra +

> > Materiel + strong will+ focus on target) must give you desired

> result.

> >

> > I am agree one must need a guru to understand and perform all

this.

> >

> > BUT

> >

> > up to a certain level - horoscope - Grah (planets) - nakshtras -

> > knowledge - mantras - yantras - tantra is identified but their is

> one

> > more level beyond this level " Where all these things does not

have

> > any value - that is Bhakti. "

> >

> > in Bhakti nothing is required - Only unconditional love - rest is

> > Headache of almighty and belief me you never feel any need to ask

> any

> > thing. all will be taken care. and you will get all without doing

> any

> > thing.

> >

> > as shree Hanuman Got ashirwad from Maa " Ajar, Amar, Gun Nidhi,

Sut

> > tum Hoyu " ( o my sun you will be sea of all Gunas, Siddhis,

Nidhis,

> > all type of wealth, you will be immortal, you never be old, you

> will

> > be beyond time and it's control and effects) and see Lord hanuman

> is

> > able to give any thing. a lot of can be said. but all these

things

> > can be written in words.

> >

> > rgds

> > Niket

> >

> > , " Raja " <desi.raja@ ..>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > I stand corrected. Case studies i assume can be as emipirical

> proof

> > > as any scientific verification. I was just attempting to

balance

> > the

> > > arguments.

> > >

> > > , " astroiniket "

> > > <nakshtraniket@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > dear Raja,

> > > > in what context you are asking to prove ? what you want to

> > verify ?

> > > > pls clear dot points.

> > > >

> > > > rgds

> > > > Niker

> > > > , " Raja "

<desi.raja@>

> > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > see , what you two have been discussing is theoritical

> science

> > > and

> > > > in

> > > > > no way it can empirically be verified hence there is no way

> for

> > > > > proving who is right and who is not. Different mind has

> > diffrent

> > > > > theories and it very well may lead to a single ultimate

> > > destination

> > > > > but how do we verify as no such method exist to verify.

> > > > >

> > > > > fascinating. I am glad that i joined this group.

> > > > >

> > > > > , " jk.dasgupta "

> > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I fully agree with you :-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Jk

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > []On Behalf Of

> > > astroiniket

> > > > > > Thursday, January 01, 2009 12:28 PM

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Re: swaha - why i am not agree

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > my dear friend - some time knowledge is door of Haven,

> and

> > > some

> > > > > time

> > > > > > it is door of Hell. Depends.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > as almighty is concern - no knowledge is required. as

> world

> > is

> > > > > > concern a lot of knowledge is also very very less.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > kind regards

> > > > > > Niket

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " jk.dasgupta "

> > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I think Parashara and Neelakantha knows better than

us.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > What you are telling is perfectly alright - when

doing

> > puja

> > > > > without

> > > > > > any

> > > > > > > vasana and just for spiritual progress. But when

> material

> > > > > progress

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > required, rules are different.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In your other mail you have mentioned that you have

all

> > the

> > > > > books.

> > > > > > Then you

> > > > > > > must be knowing more than me. I do not have those

> books,

> > > nor

> > > > I

> > > > > know

> > > > > > > Sanskrit. I only follow my Guru's words.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > What you have mentioned about Dr. Srimali is your

> > personal

> > > > > openion.

> > > > > > I do not

> > > > > > > agree with it. I know him personally and got benefits.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Of course, I also do not follow the ideas of his

family

> > > > members

> > > > > > holding the

> > > > > > > reign. It is also my personal openion.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Jk

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > []On Behalf

Of

> > > > > astroiniket

> > > > > > > Thursday, January 01, 2009 12:02 PM

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Re: swaha - why i am not agree

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > dear sir,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1. " When you add OM, all doshas of the mantra is

> removed. "

> > > > > > > sir prefixing of Om cant remove any dosha of any

mantra

> > > there

> > > > > are

> > > > > > 32

> > > > > > > dosha in mantra - which only can be removed by doing

> > perfect

> > > > > > vidhana.

> > > > > > > may see shloka in rgveda " asya mantrani karkam

> devhelnat " .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2. None of diety (form of almighty) is not bound only

> with

> > > > > > planets.

> > > > > > > as lord Hanuman was born on Tuesday so people

consider

> > him

> > > > lord

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > Mars, and few people consider Lord Kartikey also lord

> of

> > > > Mars.

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > actual it is nothing to do with Mars. Mars consider

as

> > > > > Bhumiputra

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > govern by self. Mars is self demi diety. see refrence

in

> > > > > > > samveda " nanvatenya angaraka bhumiputro shivasya

> > > saranchanam,

> > > > > tsya

> > > > > > > alokya...... may read full in original " .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 3. All mantras have their own nature, yes agni Beez

> > mantra

> > > > cant

> > > > > be

> > > > > > > used with Jala Beez Mantra, but it can be used when

> Prana

> > > > > > pratishtha

> > > > > > > is needed for any mantra.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 4. whom to worship for what - one has to worship only

> one

> > > form

> > > > > > which

> > > > > > > one is his / her Ishta Devi or Devta. may be saakar

> rupa

> > or

> > > > > > nirakaar

> > > > > > > rupa.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > their is nothing which your Ishta Dev or Devi cant

give

> > > you,

> > > > > when

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > leave your Isht and run here n their it means you

have

> > > doubt

> > > > in

> > > > > > his

> > > > > > > or her powers, kindly remember Almighty is only one,

> have

> > > all

> > > > > > forms.

> > > > > > > Rama or krishna or hanuman or shakti or ganesha or

any

> > one

> > > > all

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > forms of one only one The Suprem Personality The

> Almighty

> > > God.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > if one falls in Mantra then must know complete

Vidhana,

> > > > > otherwise

> > > > > > do

> > > > > > > just simple Prayer, Prayer is one of the most

Powerful

> > tool

> > > in

> > > > > > hand

> > > > > > > of Human beings, Their all billions of people who

even

> > does

> > > > not

> > > > > > know

> > > > > > > any Mantra, who even does not know Rama or Krishna,

> they

> > > > worship

> > > > > > The

> > > > > > > almighty in other Form/s. most of people do only

prayer

> > on

> > > > this

> > > > > > earth.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This all things only on your belief, what ever you

> > belief,

> > > it

> > > > > > comes

> > > > > > > in same reply.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > in end - ANY ONE WHO TAKE ALMIGHTY'S NAME - ANY NAME -

 

> OR

> > > > PRAY

> > > > > IN

> > > > > > ANY

> > > > > > > LANGUAGE OR FROM - MUST BLESSED.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > THEIR IS NO END OF DEBAIT, IT ALL MANTRA YANTRA ALL

> THESE

> > > ARE

> > > > > > BELIEFE

> > > > > > > BASED ON ASTI OR NASTI ONLY.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > WORSHIP OF ALMIGHTY DOES NOT NEED ANY THING, NO

MANTRA

> OR

> > > > YANTRA

> > > > > > IS

> > > > > > > NEEDED - WHEN YOU CALL HIM BY YOUR HEART AND SOUL IN

ANY

> > > > > > LANGUAGE -

> > > > > > > ALLWAYS ANSWERED - THE ONLY CONDITION YOU MUST BE

> CLEAN,

> > > > CLEAR,

> > > > > > PURE,

> > > > > > > THEN ONLY REPLY WILL COME VERY FAST

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > (EXAMPLE : when you boil water , if water is clean,

> > clear,

> > > > pure

> > > > > it

> > > > > > > take few minutes to boil, BUT if water is too mudy

and

> > > impure

> > > > > and

> > > > > > mix

> > > > > > > of dirt or other things, it take long time to get

> boiled)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Soul is like water, if it is clean , clear, pure,

your

> > > prayer

> > > > > get

> > > > > > > reply fast, but if it is not clean, clear, pure,

Reply

> > must

> > > > come

> > > > > > but

> > > > > > > it will take it own time.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > By just chanting His/ Her name with unconditional

love

> > > > without

> > > > > any

> > > > > > > Vidhana, will clear your all karmas, your all

impurity

> > very

> > > > fast

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > you will be blessed.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Even Though people want to Proseed Mantras then they

> Must

> > > > know

> > > > > all

> > > > > > > about Mantra.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > Niket

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > @ .

com, " jk.dasgupta "

> > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Raja,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > When you add OM, all doshas of the mantra is

removed.

> > > Else

> > > > > there

> > > > > > > are some

> > > > > > > > perticular methods to match the mantra with the

> native.

> > > > Else

> > > > > it

> > > > > > can

> > > > > > > creat

> > > > > > > > havoc.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > How do you know if Lord Hanuman is at all

interested

> in

> > > > > > protecting

> > > > > > > you? Lord

> > > > > > > > Hanuman is represented by Mars. It all depends upon

> the

> > > > > > placement

> > > > > > > of Mars in

> > > > > > > > your chart. I know one case, where Mars was in 5H

and

> > he

> > > > > started

> > > > > > > chanting

> > > > > > > > Hanuman mantra. His home started trembling. Why?

> > because

> > > any

> > > > > > house

> > > > > > > is maraka

> > > > > > > > of the 12th house from it. 12th from 5th is 4th

house

> > > which

> > > > is

> > > > > > jala

> > > > > > > tattwa.

> > > > > > > > And tattwa of Mars is agni. So you can understand

> what

> > > > > happened.

> > > > > > > Either agni

> > > > > > > > will get finished or jala will get finished.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > There are more things. You want protection from

> > shatrus.

> > > > None

> > > > > > will

> > > > > > > do it

> > > > > > > > except your Palana Devata. It is denoted by the 6th

> > > planet

> > > > of

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > 6th lord

> > > > > > > > (if there is no planet) from Chara Amatma Karaka in

> > > Navamsa.

> > > > > > Also,

> > > > > > > If any

> > > > > > > > planet is sitting in 5th hose in rashi, that has

got

> > > power

> > > > to

> > > > > > make

> > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > dance - specially so, if it is in dusthana from

Lagna

> > > lord.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If you want spiritual progress, it is your Ista who

> > will

> > > > help.

> > > > > > Ista

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > denoted by the planet in 12th House or the 12th

lord

> > (if

> > > > there

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > planet) from Chara Atma karaka. Which planet

denotes

> > which

> > > > > > diety are

> > > > > > > > explained in BPHS and Prashna Margam.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > So you see, that it is not necessary that your wish

> > will

> > > be

> > > > > > > fullfilled by

> > > > > > > > just reciting a mantra. I know one case, by

reciting

> > ari-

> > > > > mantra,

> > > > > > > one lost

> > > > > > > > his only son. All these are to be seen while

> selecting

> > a

> > > > > mantra

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > person. These are all knowledges available in

> > paramparas

> > > > only.

> > > > > > Pt.

> > > > > > > Sanjay

> > > > > > > > Rath - in his book " Vedic Remedies in Astrology "

has

> > > brought

> > > > > > out in

> > > > > > > clarity.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > So it is always better to recite the prashiddha

> > mantras,

> > > > > unless

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > proper guidance. I will try to make a brief write

up

> on

> > > > > mantra,

> > > > > > > different

> > > > > > > > types and how to understand the effect of any

> > perticular

> > > > > mantra

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > post it

> > > > > > > > in the list - whenever i find some time

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Jk

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > []On

Behalf

> Of

> > Raja

> > > > > > > > Thursday, January 01, 2009 7:57 AM

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Re: swaha

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dasguptaji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > i dont understand. This is a hanuman mantra

supposed

> to

> > > > > protect

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > shatrus or rog etc so why do i have to be carefull?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Are you stating that it is doing opposite than what

i

> am

> > > > > > thinking

> > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > should?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If i remove OM from it, it becomes 5 word, does

that

> > mean

> > > > it'd

> > > > > > > > strengthen lagna from 5th house?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > please shed some light.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > thanks,

> > > > > > > > raja

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > @ .

> com, " jk.dasgupta "

> > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Yes, but be carefull what you want. This is a 6

> words

> > > and

> > > > 13

> > > > > > > letter

> > > > > > > > mantra.

> > > > > > > > > That means it will draw energy from your

> shatrubhava

> > or

> > > > > > > rogabhava

> > > > > > > > and give

> > > > > > > > > result on yr lagna.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Jk

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > []On

> Behalf Of

> > > Raja

> > > > > > > > > Wednesday, December 31, 2008 1:52 PM

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Re: swaha

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > so is it ok to chant swaha mantra i.e.. om shri

> hari

> > > > > markatam

> > > > > > > > > markatay swaha... without any homam ahuti..?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > @ .

> com, " jk.dasgupta "

> > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Raja,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Swaha and Swadha are two wives of Agni. Swaha

is

> > > > generalyy

> > > > > > > used

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > offering

> > > > > > > > > > something to Devas or in homams and Swadha is

> used

> > in

> > > > > > sraddha

> > > > > > > > > karmas for

> > > > > > > > > > Pittris.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Now there are many types of mantras. Two are

> main,

> > i.e

> > > > > > `Namah'

> > > > > > > > > mantras where

> > > > > > > > > > `Namah' is used at the end. These types of

> mantras

> > > are

> > > > for

> > > > > > > > > surrender to the

> > > > > > > > > > lord. But mantras ending with `Swaha' are

> somewhat

> > > > forcing

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > Devata to

> > > > > > > > > > grant the result.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > So `Namah' mantras are always better - as the

> Lord

> > > knows

> > > > > > what

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > best

> > > > > > > > > > suitable for us.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Jk

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > []On

> Behalf

> > Of

> > > > Raja

> > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, December 31, 2008 12:19 PM

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > swaha

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Many mantras have " swaha " at the end of them. I

> > have

> > > > read

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > seen

> > > > > > > > > > during havana also that these kind of mantra

> > > > > requires " homa "

> > > > > > > > > (i.e..

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some

> > > > mantras

> > > > > i

> > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > seen

> > > > > > > > > > are chanted with swaha on day to day basis

where

> > > there

> > > > is

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Well said Rohiniranjan jee " So there is really ONE option and one

path! "

 

When I was 10 years old, I read Gita and imagined that Jnanyoga,

Karmayoga and Bhaktiyoga were three different paths, and reading " na

hi saamkhya samam jaanam... " , I resolved to select jnanayoga for

myself, and concluded only studies will give me jnaana, not knowing

that jnaanayoga is the culmination of pure consciousness reached

during nirvikalpa samadhi.

 

An impure mind is incapable of becoming a bhakta. Mind cannot be

purified by sermons, it needs kriyaayoga for a long period. And when

all sins dissolve, including Ahamkaara, no difference remains between

bhakta and Bhagwan; this is advaita stage, this is called jnaana of

Samkhya (not the misinterpreted Samkhya of moderners, but the Samkhya

of Krishna and Ishwarkrishna.

 

Without destroying Ahamkaara, jnaana cannot be attained. Without

diluting Ahamkaara to some extent, bhakti is impossible. And without

kriyaayoga, Ahamkaara cannot be diluted or destroyed. Thus, karma,

bhakti and Jnaana are successive sages in spiritual evolution. Some

persons are born bhaktas, some acquire bhakti by dint of personal

encounter with the worthlessness of mayic relations as well as of the

worthlessness of alienated and perverted notion of Self in

this 'endrik indrajaal' of maya.

 

Ahamkaara is derived from the root Agh, from which ego also is

derived. Agh means sin, darkness, ignorance, etc.

 

After destroying ego, individual soul realizes that " Golden lid (of

Maya) hides Truth, (without throwing away this lid, one cannot see

that) the Purusha in Aditya is same as the Purusha that I am ; Brahma

is Akash. "

 

This is the last mantra of White Yajurveda, and of Ishopanishada

(Hiranyamayena patrena satyasya apihitam mukham...).

 

-VJ

 

 

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, " Rohiniranjan "

<rohini_ranjan wrote:

>

> Dear Niket-ji,

>

> The " crazy madman " -- as Aadarniya Sunil ji chose to call me

> recently -- disagrees!

>

> Even Tapa and Saadhanaa require FAITH! In the Teacher and the

> Teaching of the Ritual!

>

> Even " experimentation " and 'improvisation', the next step, of what

> was learned through a Guru requires Faith! Faith in oneself and

one's

> learning. Often miscomprehended by critics as " EGO " -- all it

> represents really is a personal resolve that says, 'I have chosen

the

> path and taken the first step; now may the destination teach me how

> to proceed!'

>

> So there is really ONE option and one path! :-)

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

>

> , " astroiniket "

> <nakshtraniket@> wrote:

> >

> > Yes dear Prashantji, as i have already posted in my privious

posts

> > few months back :

> >

> > if one want to achive his target their are only 2 ways.

> >

> > 1. first is Tapa or Sadhna in which 100% proces + Knowledge +

Focus

> +

> > System + Method Required and it is based on Mantra - doer will

get

> > 100% sure Results as wanted, no value of Faith here. becoz here

> > system is working.

> >

> >

> > 2. Second path is Bhakti: nothing is required, only unconditional

> > love and 100% devotion, Blind faith, Required, and the Person

must

> be

> > able to give desired things to others.

> >

> >

> > the diffrence is on first way you get what you want, BUT on

second

> > path you get all withoust asking, even more then that, as well as

> you

> > also able to give desired things to Others. you got powers of

> > almighty.

> >

> >

> > Choice is ours, First way is Easy for those who have strong will

> > power, and fire to achive their worldly things.

> >

> >

> > Second Path is not easy - not at all............it needs lot of

> > things which we can do but do not want to do. the problem is our

> > knowledge here, our own mind, our thoughts, our selfishness, we

do

> > not want to see almighty in all.

> >

> > simple thing :

> >

> > when you cant love by heart n soul to those whom you can see and

> you

> > live with.

> >

> > Then how can you Love to whom , which you never seen.

> >

> > if you are able to love all by heart, then only you can clear

Prep

> or

> > KG of Bhakti Marga.

> >

> >

> > Rest ALL is MAYA.

> >

> > OM GYANINAMAPI CHETANSI DEVI BHAGVATI HI SA

> > BALADAKRASHYA MOHAY MAHAMAYA PRAYACHATI.

> >

> >

> > regards

> > Niket

> >

> >

> > , Prashant Kumar G B

> > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Nikit, Raja

> > >

> > > well all the points covered here can be split into a few parts

> > >

> > > just like a good analysis, diagnosis and treatment has its own

> > desired results

> > >

> > > so too a Mantra invokation, recitation will help in much better

> way

> > if it coming from a elderly person a GURU, or one of tohe two

> parents

> > done in the prescribed manner.

> > >

> > > Bhakti has its own dimension where it is unqualified devotion,

> > irrespective of the challenges ones faith is steadfast and

> > unwavering, the toad is rough but the DESTINATION is a beautiful

> one

> > if we See Dhruva, Markendaya, Prahalada, Hanuman, Annamacharya ,

> > Tyagaraja, Kabir, Tulsidas, Basaeshwara, Gnaneshwara, Sant Govind

> > singh, Sri ramakrishna, Swami Vivekananda, Chaitanya prabhu,

ramana

> > Mahirishi and a the list is endless.. there is merit in every

case.

> > >

> > > Best wishes

> > >

> > > prashant

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > astroiniket <nakshtraniket@>

> > >

> > > Thursday, January 1, 2009 2:32:47 PM

> > > Re: swaha - why i am not agree

> > >

> > >

> > > dear friends do not include Bhakti in my saying. excluding

that :

> > >

> > > as you are taking med, you have faith in med or not - no

matter -

> > if

> > > med is strong - and rightly prescribed - and diagnosed - you

must

> > see

> > > or feel effect of med.

> > >

> > > same Mantras : if you follow Perfect process, you have faith or

> > not -

> > > no matter - your - (Selection of Mantra + process of Mantra +

> > > Materiel + strong will+ focus on target) must give you desired

> > result.

> > >

> > > I am agree one must need a guru to understand and perform all

> this.

> > >

> > > BUT

> > >

> > > up to a certain level - horoscope - Grah (planets) - nakshtras -

 

> > > knowledge - mantras - yantras - tantra is identified but their

is

> > one

> > > more level beyond this level " Where all these things does not

> have

> > > any value - that is Bhakti. "

> > >

> > > in Bhakti nothing is required - Only unconditional love - rest

is

> > > Headache of almighty and belief me you never feel any need to

ask

> > any

> > > thing. all will be taken care. and you will get all without

doing

> > any

> > > thing.

> > >

> > > as shree Hanuman Got ashirwad from Maa " Ajar, Amar, Gun Nidhi,

> Sut

> > > tum Hoyu " ( o my sun you will be sea of all Gunas, Siddhis,

> Nidhis,

> > > all type of wealth, you will be immortal, you never be old, you

> > will

> > > be beyond time and it's control and effects) and see Lord

hanuman

> > is

> > > able to give any thing. a lot of can be said. but all these

> things

> > > can be written in words.

> > >

> > > rgds

> > > Niket

> > >

> > > , " Raja "

<desi.raja@ ..>

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > I stand corrected. Case studies i assume can be as emipirical

> > proof

> > > > as any scientific verification. I was just attempting to

> balance

> > > the

> > > > arguments.

> > > >

> > > > , " astroiniket "

> > > > <nakshtraniket@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > dear Raja,

> > > > > in what context you are asking to prove ? what you want to

> > > verify ?

> > > > > pls clear dot points.

> > > > >

> > > > > rgds

> > > > > Niker

> > > > > , " Raja "

> <desi.raja@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > see , what you two have been discussing is theoritical

> > science

> > > > and

> > > > > in

> > > > > > no way it can empirically be verified hence there is no

way

> > for

> > > > > > proving who is right and who is not. Different mind has

> > > diffrent

> > > > > > theories and it very well may lead to a single ultimate

> > > > destination

> > > > > > but how do we verify as no such method exist to verify.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > fascinating. I am glad that i joined this group.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " jk.dasgupta "

> > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I fully agree with you :-)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Jk

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > []On Behalf Of

> > > > astroiniket

> > > > > > > Thursday, January 01, 2009 12:28 PM

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Re: swaha - why i am not agree

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > my dear friend - some time knowledge is door of

Haven,

> > and

> > > > some

> > > > > > time

> > > > > > > it is door of Hell. Depends.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > as almighty is concern - no knowledge is required. as

> > world

> > > is

> > > > > > > concern a lot of knowledge is also very very less.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > kind regards

> > > > > > > Niket

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > @ .

com, " jk.dasgupta "

> > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I think Parashara and Neelakantha knows better than

> us.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > What you are telling is perfectly alright - when

> doing

> > > puja

> > > > > > without

> > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > vasana and just for spiritual progress. But when

> > material

> > > > > > progress

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > required, rules are different.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In your other mail you have mentioned that you have

> all

> > > the

> > > > > > books.

> > > > > > > Then you

> > > > > > > > must be knowing more than me. I do not have those

> > books,

> > > > nor

> > > > > I

> > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > Sanskrit. I only follow my Guru's words.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > What you have mentioned about Dr. Srimali is your

> > > personal

> > > > > > openion.

> > > > > > > I do not

> > > > > > > > agree with it. I know him personally and got

benefits.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Of course, I also do not follow the ideas of his

> family

> > > > > members

> > > > > > > holding the

> > > > > > > > reign. It is also my personal openion.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Jk

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > []On

Behalf

> Of

> > > > > > astroiniket

> > > > > > > > Thursday, January 01, 2009 12:02 PM

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Re: swaha - why i am not agree

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > dear sir,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 1. " When you add OM, all doshas of the mantra is

> > removed. "

> > > > > > > > sir prefixing of Om cant remove any dosha of any

> mantra

> > > > there

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > 32

> > > > > > > > dosha in mantra - which only can be removed by

doing

> > > perfect

> > > > > > > vidhana.

> > > > > > > > may see shloka in rgveda " asya mantrani karkam

> > devhelnat " .

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2. None of diety (form of almighty) is not bound

only

> > with

> > > > > > > planets.

> > > > > > > > as lord Hanuman was born on Tuesday so people

> consider

> > > him

> > > > > lord

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > Mars, and few people consider Lord Kartikey also

lord

> > of

> > > > > Mars.

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > actual it is nothing to do with Mars. Mars consider

> as

> > > > > > Bhumiputra

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > govern by self. Mars is self demi diety. see

refrence

> in

> > > > > > > > samveda " nanvatenya angaraka bhumiputro shivasya

> > > > saranchanam,

> > > > > > tsya

> > > > > > > > alokya...... may read full in original " .

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 3. All mantras have their own nature, yes agni Beez

> > > mantra

> > > > > cant

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > used with Jala Beez Mantra, but it can be used when

> > Prana

> > > > > > > pratishtha

> > > > > > > > is needed for any mantra.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 4. whom to worship for what - one has to worship

only

> > one

> > > > form

> > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > one is his / her Ishta Devi or Devta. may be saakar

> > rupa

> > > or

> > > > > > > nirakaar

> > > > > > > > rupa.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > their is nothing which your Ishta Dev or Devi cant

> give

> > > > you,

> > > > > > when

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > leave your Isht and run here n their it means you

> have

> > > > doubt

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > or her powers, kindly remember Almighty is only

one,

> > have

> > > > all

> > > > > > > forms.

> > > > > > > > Rama or krishna or hanuman or shakti or ganesha or

> any

> > > one

> > > > > all

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > forms of one only one The Suprem Personality The

> > Almighty

> > > > God.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > if one falls in Mantra then must know complete

> Vidhana,

> > > > > > otherwise

> > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > just simple Prayer, Prayer is one of the most

> Powerful

> > > tool

> > > > in

> > > > > > > hand

> > > > > > > > of Human beings, Their all billions of people who

> even

> > > does

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > any Mantra, who even does not know Rama or Krishna,

> > they

> > > > > worship

> > > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > almighty in other Form/s. most of people do only

> prayer

> > > on

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > earth.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This all things only on your belief, what ever you

> > > belief,

> > > > it

> > > > > > > comes

> > > > > > > > in same reply.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > in end - ANY ONE WHO TAKE ALMIGHTY'S NAME - ANY

NAME -

>

> > OR

> > > > > PRAY

> > > > > > IN

> > > > > > > ANY

> > > > > > > > LANGUAGE OR FROM - MUST BLESSED.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > THEIR IS NO END OF DEBAIT, IT ALL MANTRA YANTRA ALL

> > THESE

> > > > ARE

> > > > > > > BELIEFE

> > > > > > > > BASED ON ASTI OR NASTI ONLY.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > WORSHIP OF ALMIGHTY DOES NOT NEED ANY THING, NO

> MANTRA

> > OR

> > > > > YANTRA

> > > > > > > IS

> > > > > > > > NEEDED - WHEN YOU CALL HIM BY YOUR HEART AND SOUL

IN

> ANY

> > > > > > > LANGUAGE -

> > > > > > > > ALLWAYS ANSWERED - THE ONLY CONDITION YOU MUST BE

> > CLEAN,

> > > > > CLEAR,

> > > > > > > PURE,

> > > > > > > > THEN ONLY REPLY WILL COME VERY FAST

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > (EXAMPLE : when you boil water , if water is clean,

> > > clear,

> > > > > pure

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > take few minutes to boil, BUT if water is too mudy

> and

> > > > impure

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > mix

> > > > > > > > of dirt or other things, it take long time to get

> > boiled)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Soul is like water, if it is clean , clear, pure,

> your

> > > > prayer

> > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > reply fast, but if it is not clean, clear, pure,

> Reply

> > > must

> > > > > come

> > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > it will take it own time.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > By just chanting His/ Her name with unconditional

> love

> > > > > without

> > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > Vidhana, will clear your all karmas, your all

> impurity

> > > very

> > > > > fast

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > you will be blessed.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Even Though people want to Proseed Mantras then

they

> > Must

> > > > > know

> > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > about Mantra.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > > Niket

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > @ .

> com, " jk.dasgupta "

> > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Raja,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > When you add OM, all doshas of the mantra is

> removed.

> > > > Else

> > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > are some

> > > > > > > > > perticular methods to match the mantra with the

> > native.

> > > > > Else

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > creat

> > > > > > > > > havoc.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > How do you know if Lord Hanuman is at all

> interested

> > in

> > > > > > > protecting

> > > > > > > > you? Lord

> > > > > > > > > Hanuman is represented by Mars. It all depends

upon

> > the

> > > > > > > placement

> > > > > > > > of Mars in

> > > > > > > > > your chart. I know one case, where Mars was in 5H

> and

> > > he

> > > > > > started

> > > > > > > > chanting

> > > > > > > > > Hanuman mantra. His home started trembling. Why?

> > > because

> > > > any

> > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > is maraka

> > > > > > > > > of the 12th house from it. 12th from 5th is 4th

> house

> > > > which

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > jala

> > > > > > > > tattwa.

> > > > > > > > > And tattwa of Mars is agni. So you can understand

> > what

> > > > > > happened.

> > > > > > > > Either agni

> > > > > > > > > will get finished or jala will get finished.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > There are more things. You want protection from

> > > shatrus.

> > > > > None

> > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > do it

> > > > > > > > > except your Palana Devata. It is denoted by the

6th

> > > > planet

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > 6th lord

> > > > > > > > > (if there is no planet) from Chara Amatma Karaka

in

> > > > Navamsa.

> > > > > > > Also,

> > > > > > > > If any

> > > > > > > > > planet is sitting in 5th hose in rashi, that has

> got

> > > > power

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > make

> > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > dance - specially so, if it is in dusthana from

> Lagna

> > > > lord.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If you want spiritual progress, it is your Ista

who

> > > will

> > > > > help.

> > > > > > > Ista

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > denoted by the planet in 12th House or the 12th

> lord

> > > (if

> > > > > there

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > planet) from Chara Atma karaka. Which planet

> denotes

> > > which

> > > > > > > diety are

> > > > > > > > > explained in BPHS and Prashna Margam.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > So you see, that it is not necessary that your

wish

> > > will

> > > > be

> > > > > > > > fullfilled by

> > > > > > > > > just reciting a mantra. I know one case, by

> reciting

> > > ari-

> > > > > > mantra,

> > > > > > > > one lost

> > > > > > > > > his only son. All these are to be seen while

> > selecting

> > > a

> > > > > > mantra

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > person. These are all knowledges available in

> > > paramparas

> > > > > only.

> > > > > > > Pt.

> > > > > > > > Sanjay

> > > > > > > > > Rath - in his book " Vedic Remedies in Astrology "

> has

> > > > brought

> > > > > > > out in

> > > > > > > > clarity.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > So it is always better to recite the prashiddha

> > > mantras,

> > > > > > unless

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > > proper guidance. I will try to make a brief write

> up

> > on

> > > > > > mantra,

> > > > > > > > different

> > > > > > > > > types and how to understand the effect of any

> > > perticular

> > > > > > mantra

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > post it

> > > > > > > > > in the list - whenever i find some time

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Jk

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > []On

> Behalf

> > Of

> > > Raja

> > > > > > > > > Thursday, January 01, 2009 7:57 AM

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Re: swaha

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dasguptaji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > i dont understand. This is a hanuman mantra

> supposed

> > to

> > > > > > protect

> > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > shatrus or rog etc so why do i have to be

carefull?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Are you stating that it is doing opposite than

what

> i

> > am

> > > > > > > thinking

> > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > should?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If i remove OM from it, it becomes 5 word, does

> that

> > > mean

> > > > > it'd

> > > > > > > > > strengthen lagna from 5th house?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > please shed some light.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > thanks,

> > > > > > > > > raja

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > @ .

> > com, " jk.dasgupta "

> > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Yes, but be carefull what you want. This is a 6

> > words

> > > > and

> > > > > 13

> > > > > > > > letter

> > > > > > > > > mantra.

> > > > > > > > > > That means it will draw energy from your

> > shatrubhava

> > > or

> > > > > > > > rogabhava

> > > > > > > > > and give

> > > > > > > > > > result on yr lagna.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Jk

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > []On

> > Behalf Of

> > > > Raja

> > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, December 31, 2008 1:52 PM

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Re: swaha

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > so is it ok to chant swaha mantra i.e.. om shri

> > hari

> > > > > > markatam

> > > > > > > > > > markatay swaha... without any homam ahuti..?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > @ .

> > com, " jk.dasgupta "

> > > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raja,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Swaha and Swadha are two wives of Agni. Swaha

> is

> > > > > generalyy

> > > > > > > > used

> > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > offering

> > > > > > > > > > > something to Devas or in homams and Swadha is

> > used

> > > in

> > > > > > > sraddha

> > > > > > > > > > karmas for

> > > > > > > > > > > Pittris.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Now there are many types of mantras. Two are

> > main,

> > > i.e

> > > > > > > `Namah'

> > > > > > > > > > mantras where

> > > > > > > > > > > `Namah' is used at the end. These types of

> > mantras

> > > > are

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > surrender to the

> > > > > > > > > > > lord. But mantras ending with `Swaha' are

> > somewhat

> > > > > forcing

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > Devata to

> > > > > > > > > > > grant the result.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > So `Namah' mantras are always better - as the

> > Lord

> > > > knows

> > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > best

> > > > > > > > > > > suitable for us.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Jk

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > []On

> > Behalf

> > > Of

> > > > > Raja

> > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, December 31, 2008 12:19 PM

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > swaha

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Many mantras have " swaha " at the end of them.

I

> > > have

> > > > > read

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > seen

> > > > > > > > > > > during havana also that these kind of mantra

> > > > > > requires " homa "

> > > > > > > > > > (i.e..

> > > > > > > > > > > some sort of havan ahuti) while chanting yet

> some

> > > > > mantras

> > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > seen

> > > > > > > > > > > are chanted with swaha on day to day basis

> where

> > > > there

> > > > > is

> > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > havan. I

> > > > > > > > > > > wanted to ask learned ones' opinion about

this

> > > matter.

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shree RRji, i am agree with you some extent, but here few things are

diffrent, if you see most of people only look for worldly things,

they want to move the things on their wish, it is possible, but

result mat be vary, one more thing Faith always generate when you

feel or see something Effective - like one have Fever if take

Paracitamole - you belive on med or not if it is strong, it will give

it's effect, may be more or less it second thing.

 

same when a person starts a perfect process for moving the things if

he know all about the process and system and have strong focus and

make zero diffect process through Perfect knowledge - he must feel

effects of the system or process.

 

here various factors are involved - a guru is needed who can give you

right thing which you need, who can guide your entire process, when

one will go throug with all system and process Faith will

automaticaly generated - no extra efforts are required to produce it.

 

like you belief in electricity or not if you have conection and a

perfect instrument which you want to run on electricity - it will

work.

 

electricity is one it light up bulb, run fan, run Mixi, and so many

instruments, all instruments having diffrent nature and usage but

Energy as we call electricity is one.

 

you have to see wiring till your home must be ok, max you can take

care of your colonies Transfarmer, but beyond this like feeder of

state the turbine which is making electricity is out of your control,

that is in control of other person, and if you see turbine also make

electricity from water.

 

it means electricty is in water - no - in turbine - no - it is in

system and in process.

 

i think you understand what i want to say. i think not needed to

explain more things to you.

 

Kind regards

Niket

, " Rohiniranjan "

<rohini_ranjan wrote:

>

> Dear Niket-ji,

>

> The " crazy madman " -- as Aadarniya Sunil ji chose to call me

> recently -- disagrees!

>

> Even Tapa and Saadhanaa require FAITH! In the Teacher and the

> Teaching of the Ritual!

>

> Even " experimentation " and 'improvisation', the next step, of what

> was learned through a Guru requires Faith! Faith in oneself and

one's

> learning. Often miscomprehended by critics as " EGO " -- all it

> represents really is a personal resolve that says, 'I have chosen

the

> path and taken the first step; now may the destination teach me how

> to proceed!'

>

> So there is really ONE option and one path! :-)

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

>

> , " astroiniket "

> <nakshtraniket@> wrote:

> >

> > Yes dear Prashantji, as i have already posted in my privious

posts

> > few months back :

> >

> > if one want to achive his target their are only 2 ways.

> >

> > 1. first is Tapa or Sadhna in which 100% proces + Knowledge +

Focus

> +

> > System + Method Required and it is based on Mantra - doer will

get

> > 100% sure Results as wanted, no value of Faith here. becoz here

> > system is working.

> >

> >

> > 2. Second path is Bhakti: nothing is required, only unconditional

> > love and 100% devotion, Blind faith, Required, and the Person

must

> be

> > able to give desired things to others.

> >

> >

> > the diffrence is on first way you get what you want, BUT on

second

> > path you get all withoust asking, even more then that, as well as

> you

> > also able to give desired things to Others. you got powers of

> > almighty.

> >

> >

> > Choice is ours, First way is Easy for those who have strong will

> > power, and fire to achive their worldly things.

> >

> >

> > Second Path is not easy - not at all............it needs lot of

> > things which we can do but do not want to do. the problem is our

> > knowledge here, our own mind, our thoughts, our selfishness, we

do

> > not want to see almighty in all.

> >

> > simple thing :

> >

> > when you cant love by heart n soul to those whom you can see and

> you

> > live with.

> >

> > Then how can you Love to whom , which you never seen.

> >

> > if you are able to love all by heart, then only you can clear

Prep

> or

> > KG of Bhakti Marga.

> >

> >

> > Rest ALL is MAYA.

> >

> > OM GYANINAMAPI CHETANSI DEVI BHAGVATI HI SA

> > BALADAKRASHYA MOHAY MAHAMAYA PRAYACHATI.

> >

> >

> > regards

> > Niket

> >

> >

> > , Prashant Kumar G B

> > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Nikit, Raja

> > >

> > > well all the points covered here can be split into a few parts

> > >

> > > just like a good analysis, diagnosis and treatment has its own

> > desired results

> > >

> > > so too a Mantra invokation, recitation will help in much better

> way

> > if it coming from a elderly person a GURU, or one of tohe two

> parents

> > done in the prescribed manner.

> > >

> > > Bhakti has its own dimension where it is unqualified devotion,

> > irrespective of the challenges ones faith is steadfast and

> > unwavering, the toad is rough but the DESTINATION is a beautiful

> one

> > if we See Dhruva, Markendaya, Prahalada, Hanuman, Annamacharya ,

> > Tyagaraja, Kabir, Tulsidas, Basaeshwara, Gnaneshwara, Sant Govind

> > singh, Sri ramakrishna, Swami Vivekananda, Chaitanya prabhu,

ramana

> > Mahirishi and a the list is endless.. there is merit in every

case.

> > >

> > > Best wishes

> > >

> > > prashant

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > astroiniket <nakshtraniket@>

> > >

> > > Thursday, January 1, 2009 2:32:47 PM

> > > Re: swaha - why i am not agree

> > >

> > >

> > > dear friends do not include Bhakti in my saying. excluding

that :

> > >

> > > as you are taking med, you have faith in med or not - no

matter -

> > if

> > > med is strong - and rightly prescribed - and diagnosed - you

must

> > see

> > > or feel effect of med.

> > >

> > > same Mantras : if you follow Perfect process, you have faith or

> > not -

> > > no matter - your - (Selection of Mantra + process of Mantra +

> > > Materiel + strong will+ focus on target) must give you desired

> > result.

> > >

> > > I am agree one must need a guru to understand and perform all

> this.

> > >

> > > BUT

> > >

> > > up to a certain level - horoscope - Grah (planets) - nakshtras -

 

> > > knowledge - mantras - yantras - tantra is identified but their

is

> > one

> > > more level beyond this level " Where all these things does not

> have

> > > any value - that is Bhakti. "

> > >

> > > in Bhakti nothing is required - Only unconditional love - rest

is

> > > Headache of almighty and belief me you never feel any need to

ask

> > any

> > > thing. all will be taken care. and you will get all without

doing

> > any

> > > thing.

> > >

> > > as shree Hanuman Got ashirwad from Maa " Ajar, Amar, Gun Nidhi,

> Sut

> > > tum Hoyu " ( o my sun you will be sea of all Gunas, Siddhis,

> Nidhis,

> > > all type of wealth, you will be immortal, you never be old, you

> > will

> > > be beyond time and it's control and effects) and see Lord

hanuman

> > is

> > > able to give any thing. a lot of can be said. but all these

> things

> > > can be written in words.

> > >

> > > rgds

> > > Niket

> > >

> > > , " Raja "

<desi.raja@ ..>

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > I stand corrected. Case studies i assume can be as emipirical

> > proof

> > > > as any scientific verification. I was just attempting to

> balance

> > > the

> > > > arguments.

> > > >

> > > > , " astroiniket "

> > > > <nakshtraniket@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > dear Raja,

> > > > > in what context you are asking to prove ? what you want to

> > > verify ?

> > > > > pls clear dot points.

> > > > >

> > > > > rgds

> > > > > Niker

> > > > > , " Raja "

> <desi.raja@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > see , what you two have been discussing is theoritical

> > science

> > > > and

> > > > > in

> > > > > > no way it can empirically be verified hence there is no

way

> > for

> > > > > > proving who is right and who is not. Different mind has

> > > diffrent

> > > > > > theories and it very well may lead to a single ultimate

> > > > destination

> > > > > > but how do we verify as no such method exist to verify.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > fascinating. I am glad that i joined this group.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " jk.dasgupta "

> > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I fully agree with you :-)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Jk

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > []On Behalf Of

> > > > astroiniket

> > > > > > > Thursday, January 01, 2009 12:28 PM

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Re: swaha - why i am not agree

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > my dear friend - some time knowledge is door of

Haven,

> > and

> > > > some

> > > > > > time

> > > > > > > it is door of Hell. Depends.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > as almighty is concern - no knowledge is required. as

> > world

> > > is

> > > > > > > concern a lot of knowledge is also very very less.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > kind regards

> > > > > > > Niket

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > @ .

com, " jk.dasgupta "

> > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I think Parashara and Neelakantha knows better than

> us.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > What you are telling is perfectly alright - when

> doing

> > > puja

> > > > > > without

> > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > vasana and just for spiritual progress. But when

> > material

> > > > > > progress

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > required, rules are different.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In your other mail you have mentioned that you have

> all

> > > the

> > > > > > books.

> > > > > > > Then you

> > > > > > > > must be knowing more than me. I do not have those

> > books,

> > > > nor

> > > > > I

> > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > Sanskrit. I only follow my Guru's words.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > What you have mentioned about Dr. Srimali is your

> > > personal

> > > > > > openion.

> > > > > > > I do not

> > > > > > > > agree with it. I know him personally and got

benefits.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Of course, I also do not follow the ideas of his

> family

> > > > > members

> > > > > > > holding the

> > > > > > > > reign. It is also my personal openion.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Jk

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > []On

Behalf

> Of

> > > > > > astroiniket

> > > > > > > > Thursday, January 01, 2009 12:02 PM

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Re: swaha - why i am not agree

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > dear sir,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 1. " When you add OM, all doshas of the mantra is

> > removed. "

> > > > > > > > sir prefixing of Om cant remove any dosha of any

> mantra

> > > > there

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > 32

> > > > > > > > dosha in mantra - which only can be removed by

doing

> > > perfect

> > > > > > > vidhana.

> > > > > > > > may see shloka in rgveda " asya mantrani karkam

> > devhelnat " .

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2. None of diety (form of almighty) is not bound

only

> > with

> > > > > > > planets.

> > > > > > > > as lord Hanuman was born on Tuesday so people

> consider

> > > him

> > > > > lord

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > Mars, and few people consider Lord Kartikey also

lord

> > of

> > > > > Mars.

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > actual it is nothing to do with Mars. Mars consider

> as

> > > > > > Bhumiputra

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > govern by self. Mars is self demi diety. see

refrence

> in

> > > > > > > > samveda " nanvatenya angaraka bhumiputro shivasya

> > > > saranchanam,

> > > > > > tsya

> > > > > > > > alokya...... may read full in original " .

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 3. All mantras have their own nature, yes agni Beez

> > > mantra

> > > > > cant

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > used with Jala Beez Mantra, but it can be used when

> > Prana

> > > > > > > pratishtha

> > > > > > > > is needed for any mantra.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 4. whom to worship for what - one has to worship

only

> > one

> > > > form

> > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > one is his / her Ishta Devi or Devta. may be saakar

> > rupa

> > > or

> > > > > > > nirakaar

> > > > > > > > rupa.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > their is nothing which your Ishta Dev or Devi cant

> give

> > > > you,

> > > > > > when

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > leave your Isht and run here n their it means you

> have

> > > > doubt

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > or her powers, kindly remember Almighty is only

one,

> > have

> > > > all

> > > > > > > forms.

> > > > > > > > Rama or krishna or hanuman or shakti or ganesha or

> any

> > > one

> > > > > all

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > forms of one only one The Suprem Personality The

> > Almighty

> > > > God.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > if one falls in Mantra then must know complete

> Vidhana,

> > > > > > otherwise

> > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > just simple Prayer, Prayer is one of the most

> Powerful

> > > tool

> > > > in

> > > > > > > hand

> > > > > > > > of Human beings, Their all billions of people who

> even

> > > does

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > any Mantra, who even does not know Rama or Krishna,

> > they

> > > > > worship

> > > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > almighty in other Form/s. most of people do only

> prayer

> > > on

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > earth.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This all things only on your belief, what ever you

> > > belief,

> > > > it

> > > > > > > comes

> > > > > > > > in same reply.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > in end - ANY ONE WHO TAKE ALMIGHTY'S NAME - ANY

NAME -

>

> > OR

> > > > > PRAY

> > > > > > IN

> > > > > > > ANY

> > > > > > > > LANGUAGE OR FROM - MUST BLESSED.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > THEIR IS NO END OF DEBAIT, IT ALL MANTRA YANTRA ALL

> > THESE

> > > > ARE

> > > > > > > BELIEFE

> > > > > > > > BASED ON ASTI OR NASTI ONLY.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > WORSHIP OF ALMIGHTY DOES NOT NEED ANY THING, NO

> MANTRA

> > OR

> > > > > YANTRA

> > > > > > > IS

> > > > > > > > NEEDED - WHEN YOU CALL HIM BY YOUR HEART AND SOUL

IN

> ANY

> > > > > > > LANGUAGE -

> > > > > > > > ALLWAYS ANSWERED - THE ONLY CONDITION YOU MUST BE

> > CLEAN,

> > > > > CLEAR,

> > > > > > > PURE,

> > > > > > > > THEN ONLY REPLY WILL COME VERY FAST

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > (EXAMPLE : when you boil water , if water is clean,

> > > clear,

> > > > > pure

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > take few minutes to boil, BUT if water is too mudy

> and

> > > > impure

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > mix

> > > > > > > > of dirt or other things, it take long time to get

> > boiled)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Soul is like water, if it is clean , clear, pure,

> your

> > > > prayer

> > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > reply fast, but if it is not clean, clear, pure,

> Reply

> > > must

> > > > > come

> > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > it will take it own time.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > By just chanting His/ Her name with unconditional

> love

> > > > > without

> > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > Vidhana, will clear your all karmas, your all

> impurity

> > > very

> > > > > fast

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > you will be blessed.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Even Though people want to Proseed Mantras then

they

> > Must

> > > > > know

> > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > about Mantra.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > > Niket

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > @ .

> com, " jk.dasgupta "

> > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Raja,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > When you add OM, all doshas of the mantra is

> removed.

> > > > Else

> > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > are some

> > > > > > > > > perticular methods to match the mantra with the

> > native.

> > > > > Else

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > creat

> > > > > > > > > havoc.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > How do you know if Lord Hanuman is at all

> interested

> > in

> > > > > > > protecting

> > > > > > > > you? Lord

> > > > > > > > > Hanuman is represented by Mars. It all depends

upon

> > the

> > > > > > > placement

> > > > > > > > of Mars in

> > > > > > > > > your chart. I know one case, where Mars was in 5H

> and

> > > he

> > > > > > started

> > > > > > > > chanting

> > > > > > > > > Hanuman mantra. His home started trembling. Why?

> > > because

> > > > any

> > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > is maraka

> > > > > > > > > of the 12th house from it. 12th from 5th is 4th

> house

> > > > which

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > jala

> > > > > > > > tattwa.

> > > > > > > > > And tattwa of Mars is agni. So you can understand

> > what

> > > > > > happened.

> > > > > > > > Either agni

> > > > > > > > > will get finished or jala will get finished.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > There are more things. You want protection from

> > > shatrus.

> > > > > None

> > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > do it

> > > > > > > > > except your Palana Devata. It is denoted by the

6th

> > > > planet

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > 6th lord

> > > > > > > > > (if there is no planet) from Chara Amatma Karaka

in

> > > > Navamsa.

> > > > > > > Also,

> > > > > > > > If any

> > > > > > > > > planet is sitting in 5th hose in rashi, that has

> got

> > > > power

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > make

> > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > dance - specially so, if it is in dusthana from

> Lagna

> > > > lord.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If you want spiritual progress, it is your Ista

who

> > > will

> > > > > help.

> > > > > > > Ista

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > denoted by the planet in 12th House or the 12th

> lord

> > > (if

> > > > > there

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > planet) from Chara Atma karaka. Which planet

> denotes

> > > which

> > > > > > > diety are

> > > > > > > > > explained in BPHS and Prashna Margam.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > So you see, that it is not necessary that your

wish

> > > will

> > > > be

> > > > > > > > fullfilled by

> > > > > > > > > just reciting a mantra. I know one case, by

> reciting

> > > ari-

> > > > > > mantra,

> > > > > > > > one lost

> > > > > > > > > his only son. All these are to be seen while

> > selecting

> > > a

> > > > > > mantra

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > person. These are all knowledges available in

> > > paramparas

> > > > > only.

> > > > > > > Pt.

> > > > > > > > Sanjay

> > > > > > > > > Rath - in his book " Vedic Remedies in Astrology "

> has

> > > > brought

> > > > > > > out in

> > > > > > > > clarity.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > So it is always better to recite the prashiddha

> > > mantras,

> > > > > > unless

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > > proper guidance. I will try to make a brief write

> up

> > on

> > > > > > mantra,

> > > > > > > > different

> > > > > > > > > types and how to understand the effect of any

> > > perticular

> > > > > > mantra

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > post it

> > > > > > > > > in the list - whenever i find some time

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Jk

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > []On

> Behalf

> > Of

> > > Raja

> > > > > > > > > Thursday, January 01, 2009 7:57 AM

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Re: swaha

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dasguptaji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > i dont understand. This is a hanuman mantra

> supposed

> > to

> > > > > > protect

> > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > shatrus or rog etc so why do i have to be

carefull?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Are you stating that it is doing opposite than

what

> i

> > am

> > > > > > > thinking

> > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > should?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If i remove OM from it, it becomes 5 word, does

> that

> > > mean

> > > > > it'd

> > > > > > > > > strengthen lagna from 5th house?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > please shed some light.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > thanks,

> > > > > > > > > raja

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > @ .

> > com, " jk.dasgupta "

> > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Yes, but be carefull what you want. This is a 6

> > words

> > > > and

> > > > > 13

> > > > > > > > letter

> > > > > > > > > mantra.

> > > > > > > > > > That means it will draw energy from your

> > shatrubhava

> > > or

> > > > > > > > rogabhava

> > > > > > > > > and give

> > > > > > > > > > result on yr lagna.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Jk

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > []On

> > Behalf Of

> > > > Raja

> > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, December 31, 2008 1:52 PM

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Re: swaha

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > so is it ok to chant swaha mantra i.e.. om shri

> > hari

> > > > > > markatam

> > > > > > > > > > markatay swaha... without any homam ahuti..?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > @ .

> > com, " jk.dasgupta "

> > > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raja,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Swaha and Swadha are two wives of Agni. Swaha

> is

> > > > > generalyy

> > > > > > > > used

> > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > offering

> > > > > > > > > > > something to Devas or in homams and Swadha is

> > used

> > > in

> > > > > > > sraddha

> > > > > > > > > > karmas for

> > > > > > > > > > > Pittris.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Now there are many types of mantras. Two are

> > main,

> > > i.e

> > > > > > > `Namah'

> > > > > > > > > > mantras where

> > > > > > > > > > > `Namah' is used at the end. These types of

> > mantras

> > > > are

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > surrender to the

> > > > > > > > > > > lord. But mantras ending with `Swaha' are

> > somewhat

> > > > > forcing

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > Devata to

> > > > > > > > > > > grant the result.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > So `Namah' mantras are always better - as the

> > Lord

> > > > knows

> > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > best

> > > > > > > > > > > suitable for us.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Jk

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > []On

> > Behalf

> > > Of

> > > > > Raja

> > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, December 31, 2008 12:19 PM

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > swaha

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Many mantras have " swaha " at the end of them.

I

> > > have

> > > > > read

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > seen

> > > > > > > > > > > during havana also that these kind of mantra

> > > > > > requires " homa "

> > > > > > > > > > (i.e..

> > > > > > > > > > > some sort of havan ahuti) while chanting yet

> some

> > > > > mantras

> > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > seen

> > > > > > > > > > > are chanted with swaha on day to day basis

> where

> > > > there

> > > > > is

> > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > havan. I

> > > > > > > > > > > wanted to ask learned ones' opinion about

this

> > > matter.

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Dear RRji,

 

What Niket is talking, I think is the path of getting moksha. In kaliyuga

real bhakti is rare and moksha is very difficult.

 

Kaliyuga is ruled by Rahu and in this yuga only rules laid by Sri Krishna,

in Mahabharata and Geeta will pull us out from the sufferings injected by

Rahu - the Kaal naaga. Who else other that Sri Krishan can control the

dangerous sarpa called Kaaliya?

 

Who comes to an astrologer if he is not suffering in this life? He who is

enjoying or passing through a good time, has no time to visit an astrologer.

He who is in the path of moksha, does not require an astrologer - as

tomorrow has no meaning for them.

 

Many people come to me asking " when I can get moksha? " . This question points

towards their frustation in life. My simple answer to them always is - one

should never try to run away from the sufferings of this life, rectify it

properly, complete the bhogas in totality whether good or bad. Moksha will

come in its own course.

 

Let us be honest and accept that, we are all bhogis and we all aspire for

prosperity and happiness in this life, including myself :-). We all aspire

for bhogas of Rahu.

 

Regards

 

Jk

 

 

On Behalf Of Rohiniranjan

Friday, January 02, 2009 9:47 AM

Re: All is Maya -

 

 

Dear Niket-ji,

 

The " crazy madman " -- as Aadarniya Sunil ji chose to call me

recently -- disagrees!

 

Even Tapa and Saadhanaa require FAITH! In the Teacher and the

Teaching of the Ritual!

 

Even " experimentation " and 'improvisation', the next step, of what

was learned through a Guru requires Faith! Faith in oneself and one's

learning. Often miscomprehended by critics as " EGO " -- all it

represents really is a personal resolve that says, 'I have chosen the

path and taken the first step; now may the destination teach me how

to proceed!'

 

So there is really ONE option and one path! :-)

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, " astroiniket "

<nakshtraniket wrote:

>

> Yes dear Prashantji, as i have already posted in my privious posts

> few months back :

>

> if one want to achive his target their are only 2 ways.

>

> 1. first is Tapa or Sadhna in which 100% proces + Knowledge + Focus

+

> System + Method Required and it is based on Mantra - doer will get

> 100% sure Results as wanted, no value of Faith here. becoz here

> system is working.

>

>

> 2. Second path is Bhakti: nothing is required, only unconditional

> love and 100% devotion, Blind faith, Required, and the Person must

be

> able to give desired things to others.

>

>

> the diffrence is on first way you get what you want, BUT on second

> path you get all withoust asking, even more then that, as well as

you

> also able to give desired things to Others. you got powers of

> almighty.

>

>

> Choice is ours, First way is Easy for those who have strong will

> power, and fire to achive their worldly things.

>

>

> Second Path is not easy - not at all............it needs lot of

> things which we can do but do not want to do. the problem is our

> knowledge here, our own mind, our thoughts, our selfishness, we do

> not want to see almighty in all.

>

> simple thing :

>

> when you cant love by heart n soul to those whom you can see and

you

> live with.

>

> Then how can you Love to whom , which you never seen.

>

> if you are able to love all by heart, then only you can clear Prep

or

> KG of Bhakti Marga.

>

>

> Rest ALL is MAYA.

>

> OM GYANINAMAPI CHETANSI DEVI BHAGVATI HI SA

> BALADAKRASHYA MOHAY MAHAMAYA PRAYACHATI.

>

>

> regards

> Niket

>

>

> , Prashant Kumar G B

> <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Nikit, Raja

> >

> > well all the points covered here can be split into a few parts

> >

> > just like a good analysis, diagnosis and treatment has its own

> desired results

> >

> > so too a Mantra invokation, recitation will help in much better

way

> if it coming from a elderly person a GURU, or one of tohe two

parents

> done in the prescribed manner.

> >

> > Bhakti has its own dimension where it is unqualified devotion,

> irrespective of the challenges ones faith is steadfast and

> unwavering, the toad is rough but the DESTINATION is a beautiful

one

> if we See Dhruva, Markendaya, Prahalada, Hanuman, Annamacharya ,

> Tyagaraja, Kabir, Tulsidas, Basaeshwara, Gnaneshwara, Sant Govind

> singh, Sri ramakrishna, Swami Vivekananda, Chaitanya prabhu, ramana

> Mahirishi and a the list is endless.. there is merit in every case.

> >

> > Best wishes

> >

> > prashant

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > astroiniket <nakshtraniket@>

> >

> > Thursday, January 1, 2009 2:32:47 PM

> > Re: swaha - why i am not agree

> >

> >

> > dear friends do not include Bhakti in my saying. excluding that :

> >

> > as you are taking med, you have faith in med or not - no matter -

> if

> > med is strong - and rightly prescribed - and diagnosed - you must

> see

> > or feel effect of med.

> >

> > same Mantras : if you follow Perfect process, you have faith or

> not -

> > no matter - your - (Selection of Mantra + process of Mantra +

> > Materiel + strong will+ focus on target) must give you desired

> result.

> >

> > I am agree one must need a guru to understand and perform all

this.

> >

> > BUT

> >

> > up to a certain level - horoscope - Grah (planets) - nakshtras -

> > knowledge - mantras - yantras - tantra is identified but their is

> one

> > more level beyond this level " Where all these things does not

have

> > any value - that is Bhakti. "

> >

> > in Bhakti nothing is required - Only unconditional love - rest is

> > Headache of almighty and belief me you never feel any need to ask

> any

> > thing. all will be taken care. and you will get all without doing

> any

> > thing.

> >

> > as shree Hanuman Got ashirwad from Maa " Ajar, Amar, Gun Nidhi,

Sut

> > tum Hoyu " ( o my sun you will be sea of all Gunas, Siddhis,

Nidhis,

> > all type of wealth, you will be immortal, you never be old, you

> will

> > be beyond time and it's control and effects) and see Lord hanuman

> is

> > able to give any thing. a lot of can be said. but all these

things

> > can be written in words.

> >

> > rgds

> > Niket

> >

> > , " Raja " <desi.raja@ ..>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > I stand corrected. Case studies i assume can be as emipirical

> proof

> > > as any scientific verification. I was just attempting to

balance

> > the

> > > arguments.

> > >

> > > , " astroiniket "

> > > <nakshtraniket@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > dear Raja,

> > > > in what context you are asking to prove ? what you want to

> > verify ?

> > > > pls clear dot points.

> > > >

> > > > rgds

> > > > Niker

> > > > , " Raja "

<desi.raja@>

> > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > see , what you two have been discussing is theoritical

> science

> > > and

> > > > in

> > > > > no way it can empirically be verified hence there is no way

> for

> > > > > proving who is right and who is not. Different mind has

> > diffrent

> > > > > theories and it very well may lead to a single ultimate

> > > destination

> > > > > but how do we verify as no such method exist to verify.

> > > > >

> > > > > fascinating. I am glad that i joined this group.

> > > > >

> > > > > , " jk.dasgupta "

> > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I fully agree with you :-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Jk

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > []On Behalf Of

> > > astroiniket

> > > > > > Thursday, January 01, 2009 12:28 PM

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Re: swaha - why i am not agree

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > my dear friend - some time knowledge is door of Haven,

> and

> > > some

> > > > > time

> > > > > > it is door of Hell. Depends.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > as almighty is concern - no knowledge is required. as

> world

> > is

> > > > > > concern a lot of knowledge is also very very less.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > kind regards

> > > > > > Niket

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " jk.dasgupta "

> > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I think Parashara and Neelakantha knows better than

us.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > What you are telling is perfectly alright - when

doing

> > puja

> > > > > without

> > > > > > any

> > > > > > > vasana and just for spiritual progress. But when

> material

> > > > > progress

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > required, rules are different.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In your other mail you have mentioned that you have

all

> > the

> > > > > books.

> > > > > > Then you

> > > > > > > must be knowing more than me. I do not have those

> books,

> > > nor

> > > > I

> > > > > know

> > > > > > > Sanskrit. I only follow my Guru's words.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > What you have mentioned about Dr. Srimali is your

> > personal

> > > > > openion.

> > > > > > I do not

> > > > > > > agree with it. I know him personally and got benefits.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Of course, I also do not follow the ideas of his

family

> > > > members

> > > > > > holding the

> > > > > > > reign. It is also my personal openion.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Jk

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > []On Behalf

Of

> > > > > astroiniket

> > > > > > > Thursday, January 01, 2009 12:02 PM

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Re: swaha - why i am not agree

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > dear sir,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1. " When you add OM, all doshas of the mantra is

> removed. "

> > > > > > > sir prefixing of Om cant remove any dosha of any

mantra

> > > there

> > > > > are

> > > > > > 32

> > > > > > > dosha in mantra - which only can be removed by doing

> > perfect

> > > > > > vidhana.

> > > > > > > may see shloka in rgveda " asya mantrani karkam

> devhelnat " .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2. None of diety (form of almighty) is not bound only

> with

> > > > > > planets.

> > > > > > > as lord Hanuman was born on Tuesday so people

consider

> > him

> > > > lord

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > Mars, and few people consider Lord Kartikey also lord

> of

> > > > Mars.

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > actual it is nothing to do with Mars. Mars consider

as

> > > > > Bhumiputra

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > govern by self. Mars is self demi diety. see refrence

in

> > > > > > > samveda " nanvatenya angaraka bhumiputro shivasya

> > > saranchanam,

> > > > > tsya

> > > > > > > alokya...... may read full in original " .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 3. All mantras have their own nature, yes agni Beez

> > mantra

> > > > cant

> > > > > be

> > > > > > > used with Jala Beez Mantra, but it can be used when

> Prana

> > > > > > pratishtha

> > > > > > > is needed for any mantra.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 4. whom to worship for what - one has to worship only

> one

> > > form

> > > > > > which

> > > > > > > one is his / her Ishta Devi or Devta. may be saakar

> rupa

> > or

> > > > > > nirakaar

> > > > > > > rupa.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > their is nothing which your Ishta Dev or Devi cant

give

> > > you,

> > > > > when

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > leave your Isht and run here n their it means you

have

> > > doubt

> > > > in

> > > > > > his

> > > > > > > or her powers, kindly remember Almighty is only one,

> have

> > > all

> > > > > > forms.

> > > > > > > Rama or krishna or hanuman or shakti or ganesha or

any

> > one

> > > > all

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > forms of one only one The Suprem Personality The

> Almighty

> > > God.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > if one falls in Mantra then must know complete

Vidhana,

> > > > > otherwise

> > > > > > do

> > > > > > > just simple Prayer, Prayer is one of the most

Powerful

> > tool

> > > in

> > > > > > hand

> > > > > > > of Human beings, Their all billions of people who

even

> > does

> > > > not

> > > > > > know

> > > > > > > any Mantra, who even does not know Rama or Krishna,

> they

> > > > worship

> > > > > > The

> > > > > > > almighty in other Form/s. most of people do only

prayer

> > on

> > > > this

> > > > > > earth.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This all things only on your belief, what ever you

> > belief,

> > > it

> > > > > > comes

> > > > > > > in same reply.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > in end - ANY ONE WHO TAKE ALMIGHTY'S NAME - ANY NAME -

 

> OR

> > > > PRAY

> > > > > IN

> > > > > > ANY

> > > > > > > LANGUAGE OR FROM - MUST BLESSED.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > THEIR IS NO END OF DEBAIT, IT ALL MANTRA YANTRA ALL

> THESE

> > > ARE

> > > > > > BELIEFE

> > > > > > > BASED ON ASTI OR NASTI ONLY.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > WORSHIP OF ALMIGHTY DOES NOT NEED ANY THING, NO

MANTRA

> OR

> > > > YANTRA

> > > > > > IS

> > > > > > > NEEDED - WHEN YOU CALL HIM BY YOUR HEART AND SOUL IN

ANY

> > > > > > LANGUAGE -

> > > > > > > ALLWAYS ANSWERED - THE ONLY CONDITION YOU MUST BE

> CLEAN,

> > > > CLEAR,

> > > > > > PURE,

> > > > > > > THEN ONLY REPLY WILL COME VERY FAST

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > (EXAMPLE : when you boil water , if water is clean,

> > clear,

> > > > pure

> > > > > it

> > > > > > > take few minutes to boil, BUT if water is too mudy

and

> > > impure

> > > > > and

> > > > > > mix

> > > > > > > of dirt or other things, it take long time to get

> boiled)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Soul is like water, if it is clean , clear, pure,

your

> > > prayer

> > > > > get

> > > > > > > reply fast, but if it is not clean, clear, pure,

Reply

> > must

> > > > come

> > > > > > but

> > > > > > > it will take it own time.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > By just chanting His/ Her name with unconditional

love

> > > > without

> > > > > any

> > > > > > > Vidhana, will clear your all karmas, your all

impurity

> > very

> > > > fast

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > you will be blessed.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Even Though people want to Proseed Mantras then they

> Must

> > > > know

> > > > > all

> > > > > > > about Mantra.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > Niket

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > @ .

com, " jk.dasgupta "

> > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Raja,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > When you add OM, all doshas of the mantra is

removed.

> > > Else

> > > > > there

> > > > > > > are some

> > > > > > > > perticular methods to match the mantra with the

> native.

> > > > Else

> > > > > it

> > > > > > can

> > > > > > > creat

> > > > > > > > havoc.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > How do you know if Lord Hanuman is at all

interested

> in

> > > > > > protecting

> > > > > > > you? Lord

> > > > > > > > Hanuman is represented by Mars. It all depends upon

> the

> > > > > > placement

> > > > > > > of Mars in

> > > > > > > > your chart. I know one case, where Mars was in 5H

and

> > he

> > > > > started

> > > > > > > chanting

> > > > > > > > Hanuman mantra. His home started trembling. Why?

> > because

> > > any

> > > > > > house

> > > > > > > is maraka

> > > > > > > > of the 12th house from it. 12th from 5th is 4th

house

> > > which

> > > > is

> > > > > > jala

> > > > > > > tattwa.

> > > > > > > > And tattwa of Mars is agni. So you can understand

> what

> > > > > happened.

> > > > > > > Either agni

> > > > > > > > will get finished or jala will get finished.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > There are more things. You want protection from

> > shatrus.

> > > > None

> > > > > > will

> > > > > > > do it

> > > > > > > > except your Palana Devata. It is denoted by the 6th

> > > planet

> > > > of

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > 6th lord

> > > > > > > > (if there is no planet) from Chara Amatma Karaka in

> > > Navamsa.

> > > > > > Also,

> > > > > > > If any

> > > > > > > > planet is sitting in 5th hose in rashi, that has

got

> > > power

> > > > to

> > > > > > make

> > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > dance - specially so, if it is in dusthana from

Lagna

> > > lord.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If you want spiritual progress, it is your Ista who

> > will

> > > > help.

> > > > > > Ista

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > denoted by the planet in 12th House or the 12th

lord

> > (if

> > > > there

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > planet) from Chara Atma karaka. Which planet

denotes

> > which

> > > > > > diety are

> > > > > > > > explained in BPHS and Prashna Margam.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > So you see, that it is not necessary that your wish

> > will

> > > be

> > > > > > > fullfilled by

> > > > > > > > just reciting a mantra. I know one case, by

reciting

> > ari-

> > > > > mantra,

> > > > > > > one lost

> > > > > > > > his only son. All these are to be seen while

> selecting

> > a

> > > > > mantra

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > person. These are all knowledges available in

> > paramparas

> > > > only.

> > > > > > Pt.

> > > > > > > Sanjay

> > > > > > > > Rath - in his book " Vedic Remedies in Astrology "

has

> > > brought

> > > > > > out in

> > > > > > > clarity.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > So it is always better to recite the prashiddha

> > mantras,

> > > > > unless

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > proper guidance. I will try to make a brief write

up

> on

> > > > > mantra,

> > > > > > > different

> > > > > > > > types and how to understand the effect of any

> > perticular

> > > > > mantra

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > post it

> > > > > > > > in the list - whenever i find some time

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Jk

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > []On

Behalf

> Of

> > Raja

> > > > > > > > Thursday, January 01, 2009 7:57 AM

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Re: swaha

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dasguptaji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > i dont understand. This is a hanuman mantra

supposed

> to

> > > > > protect

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > shatrus or rog etc so why do i have to be carefull?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Are you stating that it is doing opposite than what

i

> am

> > > > > > thinking

> > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > should?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If i remove OM from it, it becomes 5 word, does

that

> > mean

> > > > it'd

> > > > > > > > strengthen lagna from 5th house?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > please shed some light.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > thanks,

> > > > > > > > raja

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > @ .

> com, " jk.dasgupta "

> > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Yes, but be carefull what you want. This is a 6

> words

> > > and

> > > > 13

> > > > > > > letter

> > > > > > > > mantra.

> > > > > > > > > That means it will draw energy from your

> shatrubhava

> > or

> > > > > > > rogabhava

> > > > > > > > and give

> > > > > > > > > result on yr lagna.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Jk

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > []On

> Behalf Of

> > > Raja

> > > > > > > > > Wednesday, December 31, 2008 1:52 PM

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Re: swaha

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > so is it ok to chant swaha mantra i.e.. om shri

> hari

> > > > > markatam

> > > > > > > > > markatay swaha... without any homam ahuti..?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > @ .

> com, " jk.dasgupta "

> > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Raja,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Swaha and Swadha are two wives of Agni. Swaha

is

> > > > generalyy

> > > > > > > used

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > offering

> > > > > > > > > > something to Devas or in homams and Swadha is

> used

> > in

> > > > > > sraddha

> > > > > > > > > karmas for

> > > > > > > > > > Pittris.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Now there are many types of mantras. Two are

> main,

> > i.e

> > > > > > `Namah'

> > > > > > > > > mantras where

> > > > > > > > > > `Namah' is used at the end. These types of

> mantras

> > > are

> > > > for

> > > > > > > > > surrender to the

> > > > > > > > > > lord. But mantras ending with `Swaha' are

> somewhat

> > > > forcing

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > Devata to

> > > > > > > > > > grant the result.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > So `Namah' mantras are always better - as the

> Lord

> > > knows

> > > > > > what

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > best

> > > > > > > > > > suitable for us.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Jk

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > []On

> Behalf

> > Of

> > > > Raja

> > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, December 31, 2008 12:19 PM

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > swaha

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Many mantras have " swaha " at the end of them. I

> > have

> > > > read

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > seen

> > > > > > > > > > during havana also that these kind of mantra

> > > > > requires " homa "

> > > > > > > > > (i.e..

> > > > > > > > > > some sort of havan ahuti) while chanting yet

some

> > > > mantras

> > > > > i

> > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > seen

> > > > > > > > > > are chanted with swaha on day to day basis

where

> > > there

> > > > is

> > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > havan. I

> > > > > > > > > > wanted to ask learned ones' opinion about this

> > matter.

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I hope the madman did not start (=stir) another bout of 32 Hz

activity that makes Yogis hop and levitate!

 

Sorry!!

 

RR

 

, " jk.dasgupta "

<jk.dasgupta wrote:

>

> Dear RRji,

>

> What Niket is talking, I think is the path of getting moksha. In

kaliyuga

> real bhakti is rare and moksha is very difficult.

>

> Kaliyuga is ruled by Rahu and in this yuga only rules laid by Sri

Krishna,

> in Mahabharata and Geeta will pull us out from the sufferings

injected by

> Rahu - the Kaal naaga. Who else other that Sri Krishan can control

the

> dangerous sarpa called Kaaliya?

>

> Who comes to an astrologer if he is not suffering in this life? He

who is

> enjoying or passing through a good time, has no time to visit an

astrologer.

> He who is in the path of moksha, does not require an astrologer - as

> tomorrow has no meaning for them.

>

> Many people come to me asking " when I can get moksha? " . This

question points

> towards their frustation in life. My simple answer to them always

is - one

> should never try to run away from the sufferings of this life,

rectify it

> properly, complete the bhogas in totality whether good or bad.

Moksha will

> come in its own course.

>

> Let us be honest and accept that, we are all bhogis and we all

aspire for

> prosperity and happiness in this life, including myself :-). We all

aspire

> for bhogas of Rahu.

>

> Regards

>

> Jk

>

>

>

>

> On Behalf Of Rohiniranjan

> Friday, January 02, 2009 9:47 AM

>

> Re: All is Maya -

>

>

> Dear Niket-ji,

>

> The " crazy madman " -- as Aadarniya Sunil ji chose to call me

> recently -- disagrees!

>

> Even Tapa and Saadhanaa require FAITH! In the Teacher and the

> Teaching of the Ritual!

>

> Even " experimentation " and 'improvisation', the next step, of what

> was learned through a Guru requires Faith! Faith in oneself and

one's

> learning. Often miscomprehended by critics as " EGO " -- all it

> represents really is a personal resolve that says, 'I have chosen

the

> path and taken the first step; now may the destination teach me

how

> to proceed!'

>

> So there is really ONE option and one path! :-)

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , " astroiniket "

> <nakshtraniket@> wrote:

> >

> > Yes dear Prashantji, as i have already posted in my privious

posts

> > few months back :

> >

> > if one want to achive his target their are only 2 ways.

> >

> > 1. first is Tapa or Sadhna in which 100% proces + Knowledge +

Focus

> +

> > System + Method Required and it is based on Mantra - doer will

get

> > 100% sure Results as wanted, no value of Faith here. becoz here

> > system is working.

> >

> >

> > 2. Second path is Bhakti: nothing is required, only

unconditional

> > love and 100% devotion, Blind faith, Required, and the Person

must

> be

> > able to give desired things to others.

> >

> >

> > the diffrence is on first way you get what you want, BUT on

second

> > path you get all withoust asking, even more then that, as well

as

> you

> > also able to give desired things to Others. you got powers of

> > almighty.

> >

> >

> > Choice is ours, First way is Easy for those who have strong will

> > power, and fire to achive their worldly things.

> >

> >

> > Second Path is not easy - not at all............it needs lot of

> > things which we can do but do not want to do. the problem is our

> > knowledge here, our own mind, our thoughts, our selfishness, we

do

> > not want to see almighty in all.

> >

> > simple thing :

> >

> > when you cant love by heart n soul to those whom you can see and

> you

> > live with.

> >

> > Then how can you Love to whom , which you never seen.

> >

> > if you are able to love all by heart, then only you can clear

Prep

> or

> > KG of Bhakti Marga.

> >

> >

> > Rest ALL is MAYA.

> >

> > OM GYANINAMAPI CHETANSI DEVI BHAGVATI HI SA

> > BALADAKRASHYA MOHAY MAHAMAYA PRAYACHATI.

> >

> >

> > regards

> > Niket

> >

> >

> > , Prashant Kumar G B

> > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Nikit, Raja

> > >

> > > well all the points covered here can be split into a few parts

> > >

> > > just like a good analysis, diagnosis and treatment has its own

> > desired results

> > >

> > > so too a Mantra invokation, recitation will help in much

better

> way

> > if it coming from a elderly person a GURU, or one of tohe two

> parents

> > done in the prescribed manner.

> > >

> > > Bhakti has its own dimension where it is unqualified devotion,

> > irrespective of the challenges ones faith is steadfast and

> > unwavering, the toad is rough but the DESTINATION is a beautiful

> one

> > if we See Dhruva, Markendaya, Prahalada, Hanuman, Annamacharya ,

> > Tyagaraja, Kabir, Tulsidas, Basaeshwara, Gnaneshwara, Sant

Govind

> > singh, Sri ramakrishna, Swami Vivekananda, Chaitanya prabhu,

ramana

> > Mahirishi and a the list is endless.. there is merit in every

case.

> > >

> > > Best wishes

> > >

> > > prashant

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > astroiniket <nakshtraniket@>

> > >

> > > Thursday, January 1, 2009 2:32:47 PM

> > > Re: swaha - why i am not agree

> > >

> > >

> > > dear friends do not include Bhakti in my saying. excluding

that :

> > >

> > > as you are taking med, you have faith in med or not - no

matter -

> > if

> > > med is strong - and rightly prescribed - and diagnosed - you

must

> > see

> > > or feel effect of med.

> > >

> > > same Mantras : if you follow Perfect process, you have faith

or

> > not -

> > > no matter - your - (Selection of Mantra + process of Mantra +

> > > Materiel + strong will+ focus on target) must give you desired

> > result.

> > >

> > > I am agree one must need a guru to understand and perform all

> this.

> > >

> > > BUT

> > >

> > > up to a certain level - horoscope - Grah (planets) -

nakshtras -

> > > knowledge - mantras - yantras - tantra is identified but

their is

> > one

> > > more level beyond this level " Where all these things does not

> have

> > > any value - that is Bhakti. "

> > >

> > > in Bhakti nothing is required - Only unconditional love -

rest is

> > > Headache of almighty and belief me you never feel any need to

ask

> > any

> > > thing. all will be taken care. and you will get all without

doing

> > any

> > > thing.

> > >

> > > as shree Hanuman Got ashirwad from Maa " Ajar, Amar, Gun

Nidhi,

> Sut

> > > tum Hoyu " ( o my sun you will be sea of all Gunas, Siddhis,

> Nidhis,

> > > all type of wealth, you will be immortal, you never be old,

you

> > will

> > > be beyond time and it's control and effects) and see Lord

hanuman

> > is

> > > able to give any thing. a lot of can be said. but all these

> things

> > > can be written in words.

> > >

> > > rgds

> > > Niket

> > >

> > > , " Raja "

<desi.raja@ ..>

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > I stand corrected. Case studies i assume can be as

emipirical

> > proof

> > > > as any scientific verification. I was just attempting to

> balance

> > > the

> > > > arguments.

> > > >

> > > > , " astroiniket "

> > > > <nakshtraniket@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > dear Raja,

> > > > > in what context you are asking to prove ? what you want to

> > > verify ?

> > > > > pls clear dot points.

> > > > >

> > > > > rgds

> > > > > Niker

> > > > > , " Raja "

> <desi.raja@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > see , what you two have been discussing is theoritical

> > science

> > > > and

> > > > > in

> > > > > > no way it can empirically be verified hence there is no

way

> > for

> > > > > > proving who is right and who is not. Different mind has

> > > diffrent

> > > > > > theories and it very well may lead to a single ultimate

> > > > destination

> > > > > > but how do we verify as no such method exist to verify.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > fascinating. I am glad that i joined this group.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " jk.dasgupta "

> > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I fully agree with you :-)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Jk

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > []On Behalf

Of

> > > > astroiniket

> > > > > > > Thursday, January 01, 2009 12:28 PM

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Re: swaha - why i am not agree

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > my dear friend - some time knowledge is door of Haven,

> > and

> > > > some

> > > > > > time

> > > > > > > it is door of Hell. Depends.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > as almighty is concern - no knowledge is required. as

> > world

> > > is

> > > > > > > concern a lot of knowledge is also very very less.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > kind regards

> > > > > > > Niket

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > @ .

com, " jk.dasgupta "

> > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I think Parashara and Neelakantha knows better than

> us.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > What you are telling is perfectly alright - when

> doing

> > > puja

> > > > > > without

> > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > vasana and just for spiritual progress. But when

> > material

> > > > > > progress

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > required, rules are different.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In your other mail you have mentioned that you have

> all

> > > the

> > > > > > books.

> > > > > > > Then you

> > > > > > > > must be knowing more than me. I do not have those

> > books,

> > > > nor

> > > > > I

> > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > Sanskrit. I only follow my Guru's words.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > What you have mentioned about Dr. Srimali is your

> > > personal

> > > > > > openion.

> > > > > > > I do not

> > > > > > > > agree with it. I know him personally and got

benefits.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Of course, I also do not follow the ideas of his

> family

> > > > > members

> > > > > > > holding the

> > > > > > > > reign. It is also my personal openion.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Jk

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > []On Behalf

> Of

> > > > > > astroiniket

> > > > > > > > Thursday, January 01, 2009 12:02 PM

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Re: swaha - why i am not agree

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > dear sir,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 1. " When you add OM, all doshas of the mantra is

> > removed. "

> > > > > > > > sir prefixing of Om cant remove any dosha of any

> mantra

> > > > there

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > 32

> > > > > > > > dosha in mantra - which only can be removed by doing

> > > perfect

> > > > > > > vidhana.

> > > > > > > > may see shloka in rgveda " asya mantrani karkam

> > devhelnat " .

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2. None of diety (form of almighty) is not bound

only

> > with

> > > > > > > planets.

> > > > > > > > as lord Hanuman was born on Tuesday so people

> consider

> > > him

> > > > > lord

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > Mars, and few people consider Lord Kartikey also

lord

> > of

> > > > > Mars.

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > actual it is nothing to do with Mars. Mars consider

> as

> > > > > > Bhumiputra

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > govern by self. Mars is self demi diety. see

refrence

> in

> > > > > > > > samveda " nanvatenya angaraka bhumiputro shivasya

> > > > saranchanam,

> > > > > > tsya

> > > > > > > > alokya...... may read full in original " .

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 3. All mantras have their own nature, yes agni Beez

> > > mantra

> > > > > cant

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > used with Jala Beez Mantra, but it can be used when

> > Prana

> > > > > > > pratishtha

> > > > > > > > is needed for any mantra.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 4. whom to worship for what - one has to worship

only

> > one

> > > > form

> > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > one is his / her Ishta Devi or Devta. may be saakar

> > rupa

> > > or

> > > > > > > nirakaar

> > > > > > > > rupa.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > their is nothing which your Ishta Dev or Devi cant

> give

> > > > you,

> > > > > > when

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > leave your Isht and run here n their it means you

> have

> > > > doubt

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > or her powers, kindly remember Almighty is only one,

> > have

> > > > all

> > > > > > > forms.

> > > > > > > > Rama or krishna or hanuman or shakti or ganesha or

> any

> > > one

> > > > > all

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > forms of one only one The Suprem Personality The

> > Almighty

> > > > God.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > if one falls in Mantra then must know complete

> Vidhana,

> > > > > > otherwise

> > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > just simple Prayer, Prayer is one of the most

> Powerful

> > > tool

> > > > in

> > > > > > > hand

> > > > > > > > of Human beings, Their all billions of people who

> even

> > > does

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > any Mantra, who even does not know Rama or Krishna,

> > they

> > > > > worship

> > > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > almighty in other Form/s. most of people do only

> prayer

> > > on

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > earth.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This all things only on your belief, what ever you

> > > belief,

> > > > it

> > > > > > > comes

> > > > > > > > in same reply.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > in end - ANY ONE WHO TAKE ALMIGHTY'S NAME - ANY

NAME -

>

> > OR

> > > > > PRAY

> > > > > > IN

> > > > > > > ANY

> > > > > > > > LANGUAGE OR FROM - MUST BLESSED.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > THEIR IS NO END OF DEBAIT, IT ALL MANTRA YANTRA ALL

> > THESE

> > > > ARE

> > > > > > > BELIEFE

> > > > > > > > BASED ON ASTI OR NASTI ONLY.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > WORSHIP OF ALMIGHTY DOES NOT NEED ANY THING, NO

> MANTRA

> > OR

> > > > > YANTRA

> > > > > > > IS

> > > > > > > > NEEDED - WHEN YOU CALL HIM BY YOUR HEART AND SOUL IN

> ANY

> > > > > > > LANGUAGE -

> > > > > > > > ALLWAYS ANSWERED - THE ONLY CONDITION YOU MUST BE

> > CLEAN,

> > > > > CLEAR,

> > > > > > > PURE,

> > > > > > > > THEN ONLY REPLY WILL COME VERY FAST

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > (EXAMPLE : when you boil water , if water is clean,

> > > clear,

> > > > > pure

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > take few minutes to boil, BUT if water is too mudy

> and

> > > > impure

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > mix

> > > > > > > > of dirt or other things, it take long time to get

> > boiled)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Soul is like water, if it is clean , clear, pure,

> your

> > > > prayer

> > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > reply fast, but if it is not clean, clear, pure,

> Reply

> > > must

> > > > > come

> > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > it will take it own time.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > By just chanting His/ Her name with unconditional

> love

> > > > > without

> > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > Vidhana, will clear your all karmas, your all

> impurity

> > > very

> > > > > fast

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > you will be blessed.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Even Though people want to Proseed Mantras then they

> > Must

> > > > > know

> > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > about Mantra.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > > Niket

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > @ .

> com, " jk.dasgupta "

> > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Raja,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > When you add OM, all doshas of the mantra is

> removed.

> > > > Else

> > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > are some

> > > > > > > > > perticular methods to match the mantra with the

> > native.

> > > > > Else

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > creat

> > > > > > > > > havoc.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > How do you know if Lord Hanuman is at all

> interested

> > in

> > > > > > > protecting

> > > > > > > > you? Lord

> > > > > > > > > Hanuman is represented by Mars. It all depends

upon

> > the

> > > > > > > placement

> > > > > > > > of Mars in

> > > > > > > > > your chart. I know one case, where Mars was in 5H

> and

> > > he

> > > > > > started

> > > > > > > > chanting

> > > > > > > > > Hanuman mantra. His home started trembling. Why?

> > > because

> > > > any

> > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > is maraka

> > > > > > > > > of the 12th house from it. 12th from 5th is 4th

> house

> > > > which

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > jala

> > > > > > > > tattwa.

> > > > > > > > > And tattwa of Mars is agni. So you can understand

> > what

> > > > > > happened.

> > > > > > > > Either agni

> > > > > > > > > will get finished or jala will get finished.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > There are more things. You want protection from

> > > shatrus.

> > > > > None

> > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > do it

> > > > > > > > > except your Palana Devata. It is denoted by the

6th

> > > > planet

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > 6th lord

> > > > > > > > > (if there is no planet) from Chara Amatma Karaka

in

> > > > Navamsa.

> > > > > > > Also,

> > > > > > > > If any

> > > > > > > > > planet is sitting in 5th hose in rashi, that has

> got

> > > > power

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > make

> > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > dance - specially so, if it is in dusthana from

> Lagna

> > > > lord.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If you want spiritual progress, it is your Ista

who

> > > will

> > > > > help.

> > > > > > > Ista

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > denoted by the planet in 12th House or the 12th

> lord

> > > (if

> > > > > there

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > planet) from Chara Atma karaka. Which planet

> denotes

> > > which

> > > > > > > diety are

> > > > > > > > > explained in BPHS and Prashna Margam.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > So you see, that it is not necessary that your

wish

> > > will

> > > > be

> > > > > > > > fullfilled by

> > > > > > > > > just reciting a mantra. I know one case, by

> reciting

> > > ari-

> > > > > > mantra,

> > > > > > > > one lost

> > > > > > > > > his only son. All these are to be seen while

> > selecting

> > > a

> > > > > > mantra

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > person. These are all knowledges available in

> > > paramparas

> > > > > only.

> > > > > > > Pt.

> > > > > > > > Sanjay

> > > > > > > > > Rath - in his book " Vedic Remedies in Astrology "

> has

> > > > brought

> > > > > > > out in

> > > > > > > > clarity.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > So it is always better to recite the prashiddha

> > > mantras,

> > > > > > unless

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > > proper guidance. I will try to make a brief write

> up

> > on

> > > > > > mantra,

> > > > > > > > different

> > > > > > > > > types and how to understand the effect of any

> > > perticular

> > > > > > mantra

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > post it

> > > > > > > > > in the list - whenever i find some time

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Jk

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > []On

> Behalf

> > Of

> > > Raja

> > > > > > > > > Thursday, January 01, 2009 7:57 AM

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Re: swaha

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dasguptaji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > i dont understand. This is a hanuman mantra

> supposed

> > to

> > > > > > protect

> > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > shatrus or rog etc so why do i have to be

carefull?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Are you stating that it is doing opposite than

what

> i

> > am

> > > > > > > thinking

> > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > should?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If i remove OM from it, it becomes 5 word, does

> that

> > > mean

> > > > > it'd

> > > > > > > > > strengthen lagna from 5th house?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > please shed some light.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > thanks,

> > > > > > > > > raja

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > @ .

> > com, " jk.dasgupta "

> > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Yes, but be carefull what you want. This is a 6

> > words

> > > > and

> > > > > 13

> > > > > > > > letter

> > > > > > > > > mantra.

> > > > > > > > > > That means it will draw energy from your

> > shatrubhava

> > > or

> > > > > > > > rogabhava

> > > > > > > > > and give

> > > > > > > > > > result on yr lagna.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Jk

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > []On

> > Behalf Of

> > > > Raja

> > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, December 31, 2008 1:52 PM

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Re: swaha

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > so is it ok to chant swaha mantra i.e.. om shri

> > hari

> > > > > > markatam

> > > > > > > > > > markatay swaha... without any homam ahuti..?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > @ .

> > com, " jk.dasgupta "

> > > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raja,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Swaha and Swadha are two wives of Agni. Swaha

> is

> > > > > generalyy

> > > > > > > > used

> > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > offering

> > > > > > > > > > > something to Devas or in homams and Swadha is

> > used

> > > in

> > > > > > > sraddha

> > > > > > > > > > karmas for

> > > > > > > > > > > Pittris.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Now there are many types of mantras. Two are

> > main,

> > > i.e

> > > > > > > `Namah'

> > > > > > > > > > mantras where

> > > > > > > > > > > `Namah' is used at the end. These types of

> > mantras

> > > > are

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > surrender to the

> > > > > > > > > > > lord. But mantras ending with `Swaha' are

> > somewhat

> > > > > forcing

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > Devata to

> > > > > > > > > > > grant the result.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > So `Namah' mantras are always better - as the

> > Lord

> > > > knows

> > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > best

> > > > > > > > > > > suitable for us.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Jk

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > []On

> > Behalf

> > > Of

> > > > > Raja

> > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, December 31, 2008 12:19 PM

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > swaha

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Many mantras have " swaha " at the end of them.

I

> > > have

> > > > > read

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > seen

> > > > > > > > > > > during havana also that these kind of mantra

> > > > > > requires " homa "

> > > > > > > > > > (i.e..

> > > > > > > > > > > some sort of havan ahuti) while chanting yet

> some

> > > > > mantras

> > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > seen

> > > > > > > > > > > are chanted with swaha on day to day basis

> where

> > > > there

> > > > > is

> > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > havan. I

> > > > > > > > > > > wanted to ask learned ones' opinion about this

> > > matter.

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Respected Rohiniranjan ji,

 

Do you remember Santiago ?

 

The protagonist of 'Old Man and the Sea' by E. Hemingway. Santiago's

entire village considered him a 'crazy old man'

 

I love and admire the Old Man; crazy or otherwise. I consider him an

epitome of self actualisation.

 

With respect,

 

Girish Raheja

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " Rohiniranjan "

<rohini_ranjan wrote:

>

> I hope the madman did not start (=stir) another bout of 32 Hz

> activity that makes Yogis hop and levitate!

>

> Sorry!!

>

> RR

>

> , " jk.dasgupta "

> <jk.dasgupta@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear RRji,

> >

> > What Niket is talking, I think is the path of getting moksha. In

> kaliyuga

> > real bhakti is rare and moksha is very difficult.

> >

> > Kaliyuga is ruled by Rahu and in this yuga only rules laid by Sri

> Krishna,

> > in Mahabharata and Geeta will pull us out from the sufferings

> injected by

> > Rahu - the Kaal naaga. Who else other that Sri Krishan can

control

> the

> > dangerous sarpa called Kaaliya?

> >

> > Who comes to an astrologer if he is not suffering in this life?

He

> who is

> > enjoying or passing through a good time, has no time to visit an

> astrologer.

> > He who is in the path of moksha, does not require an astrologer -

as

> > tomorrow has no meaning for them.

> >

> > Many people come to me asking " when I can get moksha? " . This

> question points

> > towards their frustation in life. My simple answer to them always

> is - one

> > should never try to run away from the sufferings of this life,

> rectify it

> > properly, complete the bhogas in totality whether good or bad.

> Moksha will

> > come in its own course.

> >

> > Let us be honest and accept that, we are all bhogis and we all

> aspire for

> > prosperity and happiness in this life, including myself :-). We

all

> aspire

> > for bhogas of Rahu.

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > Jk

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > On Behalf Of Rohiniranjan

> > Friday, January 02, 2009 9:47 AM

> >

> > Re: All is Maya -

> >

> >

> > Dear Niket-ji,

> >

> > The " crazy madman " -- as Aadarniya Sunil ji chose to call me

> > recently -- disagrees!

> >

> > Even Tapa and Saadhanaa require FAITH! In the Teacher and the

> > Teaching of the Ritual!

> >

> > Even " experimentation " and 'improvisation', the next step, of

what

> > was learned through a Guru requires Faith! Faith in oneself and

> one's

> > learning. Often miscomprehended by critics as " EGO " -- all it

> > represents really is a personal resolve that says, 'I have

chosen

> the

> > path and taken the first step; now may the destination teach me

> how

> > to proceed!'

> >

> > So there is really ONE option and one path! :-)

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , " astroiniket "

> > <nakshtraniket@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Yes dear Prashantji, as i have already posted in my privious

> posts

> > > few months back :

> > >

> > > if one want to achive his target their are only 2 ways.

> > >

> > > 1. first is Tapa or Sadhna in which 100% proces + Knowledge +

> Focus

> > +

> > > System + Method Required and it is based on Mantra - doer

will

> get

> > > 100% sure Results as wanted, no value of Faith here. becoz

here

> > > system is working.

> > >

> > >

> > > 2. Second path is Bhakti: nothing is required, only

> unconditional

> > > love and 100% devotion, Blind faith, Required, and the Person

> must

> > be

> > > able to give desired things to others.

> > >

> > >

> > > the diffrence is on first way you get what you want, BUT on

> second

> > > path you get all withoust asking, even more then that, as

well

> as

> > you

> > > also able to give desired things to Others. you got powers of

> > > almighty.

> > >

> > >

> > > Choice is ours, First way is Easy for those who have strong

will

> > > power, and fire to achive their worldly things.

> > >

> > >

> > > Second Path is not easy - not at all............it needs lot

of

> > > things which we can do but do not want to do. the problem is

our

> > > knowledge here, our own mind, our thoughts, our selfishness,

we

> do

> > > not want to see almighty in all.

> > >

> > > simple thing :

> > >

> > > when you cant love by heart n soul to those whom you can see

and

> > you

> > > live with.

> > >

> > > Then how can you Love to whom , which you never seen.

> > >

> > > if you are able to love all by heart, then only you can clear

> Prep

> > or

> > > KG of Bhakti Marga.

> > >

> > >

> > > Rest ALL is MAYA.

> > >

> > > OM GYANINAMAPI CHETANSI DEVI BHAGVATI HI SA

> > > BALADAKRASHYA MOHAY MAHAMAYA PRAYACHATI.

> > >

> > >

> > > regards

> > > Niket

> > >

> > >

> > > , Prashant Kumar G B

> > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Nikit, Raja

> > > >

> > > > well all the points covered here can be split into a few

parts

> > > >

> > > > just like a good analysis, diagnosis and treatment has its

own

> > > desired results

> > > >

> > > > so too a Mantra invokation, recitation will help in much

> better

> > way

> > > if it coming from a elderly person a GURU, or one of tohe two

> > parents

> > > done in the prescribed manner.

> > > >

> > > > Bhakti has its own dimension where it is unqualified

devotion,

> > > irrespective of the challenges ones faith is steadfast and

> > > unwavering, the toad is rough but the DESTINATION is a

beautiful

> > one

> > > if we See Dhruva, Markendaya, Prahalada, Hanuman,

Annamacharya ,

> > > Tyagaraja, Kabir, Tulsidas, Basaeshwara, Gnaneshwara, Sant

> Govind

> > > singh, Sri ramakrishna, Swami Vivekananda, Chaitanya prabhu,

> ramana

> > > Mahirishi and a the list is endless.. there is merit in every

> case.

> > > >

> > > > Best wishes

> > > >

> > > > prashant

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ________________________________

> > > > astroiniket <nakshtraniket@>

> > > >

> > > > Thursday, January 1, 2009 2:32:47 PM

> > > > Re: swaha - why i am not agree

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > dear friends do not include Bhakti in my saying. excluding

> that :

> > > >

> > > > as you are taking med, you have faith in med or not - no

> matter -

> > > if

> > > > med is strong - and rightly prescribed - and diagnosed -

you

> must

> > > see

> > > > or feel effect of med.

> > > >

> > > > same Mantras : if you follow Perfect process, you have

faith

> or

> > > not -

> > > > no matter - your - (Selection of Mantra + process of Mantra

+

> > > > Materiel + strong will+ focus on target) must give you

desired

> > > result.

> > > >

> > > > I am agree one must need a guru to understand and perform

all

> > this.

> > > >

> > > > BUT

> > > >

> > > > up to a certain level - horoscope - Grah (planets) -

> nakshtras -

> > > > knowledge - mantras - yantras - tantra is identified but

> their is

> > > one

> > > > more level beyond this level " Where all these things does

not

> > have

> > > > any value - that is Bhakti. "

> > > >

> > > > in Bhakti nothing is required - Only unconditional love -

> rest is

> > > > Headache of almighty and belief me you never feel any need

to

> ask

> > > any

> > > > thing. all will be taken care. and you will get all without

> doing

> > > any

> > > > thing.

> > > >

> > > > as shree Hanuman Got ashirwad from Maa " Ajar, Amar, Gun

> Nidhi,

> > Sut

> > > > tum Hoyu " ( o my sun you will be sea of all Gunas, Siddhis,

> > Nidhis,

> > > > all type of wealth, you will be immortal, you never be old,

> you

> > > will

> > > > be beyond time and it's control and effects) and see Lord

> hanuman

> > > is

> > > > able to give any thing. a lot of can be said. but all these

> > things

> > > > can be written in words.

> > > >

> > > > rgds

> > > > Niket

> > > >

> > > > , " Raja "

> <desi.raja@ ..>

> > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > I stand corrected. Case studies i assume can be as

> emipirical

> > > proof

> > > > > as any scientific verification. I was just attempting to

> > balance

> > > > the

> > > > > arguments.

> > > > >

> > > > > , " astroiniket "

> > > > > <nakshtraniket@ > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > dear Raja,

> > > > > > in what context you are asking to prove ? what you want

to

> > > > verify ?

> > > > > > pls clear dot points.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > rgds

> > > > > > Niker

> > > > > > , " Raja "

> > <desi.raja@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > see , what you two have been discussing is theoritical

> > > science

> > > > > and

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > no way it can empirically be verified hence there is

no

> way

> > > for

> > > > > > > proving who is right and who is not. Different mind

has

> > > > diffrent

> > > > > > > theories and it very well may lead to a single

ultimate

> > > > > destination

> > > > > > > but how do we verify as no such method exist to

verify.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > fascinating. I am glad that i joined this group.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > @ .

com, " jk.dasgupta "

> > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I fully agree with you :-)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Jk

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > []On

Behalf

> Of

> > > > > astroiniket

> > > > > > > > Thursday, January 01, 2009 12:28 PM

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Re: swaha - why i am not agree

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > my dear friend - some time knowledge is door of

Haven,

> > > and

> > > > > some

> > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > it is door of Hell. Depends.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > as almighty is concern - no knowledge is required.

as

> > > world

> > > > is

> > > > > > > > concern a lot of knowledge is also very very less.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > kind regards

> > > > > > > > Niket

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > @ .

> com, " jk.dasgupta "

> > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I think Parashara and Neelakantha knows better

than

> > us.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > What you are telling is perfectly alright - when

> > doing

> > > > puja

> > > > > > > without

> > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > vasana and just for spiritual progress. But when

> > > material

> > > > > > > progress

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > required, rules are different.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > In your other mail you have mentioned that you

have

> > all

> > > > the

> > > > > > > books.

> > > > > > > > Then you

> > > > > > > > > must be knowing more than me. I do not have those

> > > books,

> > > > > nor

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > Sanskrit. I only follow my Guru's words.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > What you have mentioned about Dr. Srimali is your

> > > > personal

> > > > > > > openion.

> > > > > > > > I do not

> > > > > > > > > agree with it. I know him personally and got

> benefits.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Of course, I also do not follow the ideas of his

> > family

> > > > > > members

> > > > > > > > holding the

> > > > > > > > > reign. It is also my personal openion.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Jk

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > []On

Behalf

> > Of

> > > > > > > astroiniket

> > > > > > > > > Thursday, January 01, 2009 12:02 PM

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Re: swaha - why i am not agree

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > dear sir,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 1. " When you add OM, all doshas of the mantra is

> > > removed. "

> > > > > > > > > sir prefixing of Om cant remove any dosha of any

> > mantra

> > > > > there

> > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > 32

> > > > > > > > > dosha in mantra - which only can be removed by

doing

> > > > perfect

> > > > > > > > vidhana.

> > > > > > > > > may see shloka in rgveda " asya mantrani karkam

> > > devhelnat " .

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 2. None of diety (form of almighty) is not bound

> only

> > > with

> > > > > > > > planets.

> > > > > > > > > as lord Hanuman was born on Tuesday so people

> > consider

> > > > him

> > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > Mars, and few people consider Lord Kartikey also

> lord

> > > of

> > > > > > Mars.

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > actual it is nothing to do with Mars. Mars

consider

> > as

> > > > > > > Bhumiputra

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > govern by self. Mars is self demi diety. see

> refrence

> > in

> > > > > > > > > samveda " nanvatenya angaraka bhumiputro shivasya

> > > > > saranchanam,

> > > > > > > tsya

> > > > > > > > > alokya...... may read full in original " .

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 3. All mantras have their own nature, yes agni

Beez

> > > > mantra

> > > > > > cant

> > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > used with Jala Beez Mantra, but it can be used

when

> > > Prana

> > > > > > > > pratishtha

> > > > > > > > > is needed for any mantra.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 4. whom to worship for what - one has to worship

> only

> > > one

> > > > > form

> > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > one is his / her Ishta Devi or Devta. may be

saakar

> > > rupa

> > > > or

> > > > > > > > nirakaar

> > > > > > > > > rupa.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > their is nothing which your Ishta Dev or Devi cant

> > give

> > > > > you,

> > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > leave your Isht and run here n their it means you

> > have

> > > > > doubt

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > or her powers, kindly remember Almighty is only

one,

> > > have

> > > > > all

> > > > > > > > forms.

> > > > > > > > > Rama or krishna or hanuman or shakti or ganesha or

> > any

> > > > one

> > > > > > all

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > forms of one only one The Suprem Personality The

> > > Almighty

> > > > > God.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > if one falls in Mantra then must know complete

> > Vidhana,

> > > > > > > otherwise

> > > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > just simple Prayer, Prayer is one of the most

> > Powerful

> > > > tool

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > hand

> > > > > > > > > of Human beings, Their all billions of people who

> > even

> > > > does

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > any Mantra, who even does not know Rama or

Krishna,

> > > they

> > > > > > worship

> > > > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > almighty in other Form/s. most of people do only

> > prayer

> > > > on

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > earth.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > This all things only on your belief, what ever you

> > > > belief,

> > > > > it

> > > > > > > > comes

> > > > > > > > > in same reply.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > in end - ANY ONE WHO TAKE ALMIGHTY'S NAME - ANY

> NAME -

> >

> > > OR

> > > > > > PRAY

> > > > > > > IN

> > > > > > > > ANY

> > > > > > > > > LANGUAGE OR FROM - MUST BLESSED.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > THEIR IS NO END OF DEBAIT, IT ALL MANTRA YANTRA

ALL

> > > THESE

> > > > > ARE

> > > > > > > > BELIEFE

> > > > > > > > > BASED ON ASTI OR NASTI ONLY.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > WORSHIP OF ALMIGHTY DOES NOT NEED ANY THING, NO

> > MANTRA

> > > OR

> > > > > > YANTRA

> > > > > > > > IS

> > > > > > > > > NEEDED - WHEN YOU CALL HIM BY YOUR HEART AND SOUL

IN

> > ANY

> > > > > > > > LANGUAGE -

> > > > > > > > > ALLWAYS ANSWERED - THE ONLY CONDITION YOU MUST BE

> > > CLEAN,

> > > > > > CLEAR,

> > > > > > > > PURE,

> > > > > > > > > THEN ONLY REPLY WILL COME VERY FAST

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > (EXAMPLE : when you boil water , if water is

clean,

> > > > clear,

> > > > > > pure

> > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > take few minutes to boil, BUT if water is too mudy

> > and

> > > > > impure

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > mix

> > > > > > > > > of dirt or other things, it take long time to get

> > > boiled)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Soul is like water, if it is clean , clear, pure,

> > your

> > > > > prayer

> > > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > > reply fast, but if it is not clean, clear, pure,

> > Reply

> > > > must

> > > > > > come

> > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > it will take it own time.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > By just chanting His/ Her name with unconditional

> > love

> > > > > > without

> > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > Vidhana, will clear your all karmas, your all

> > impurity

> > > > very

> > > > > > fast

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > you will be blessed.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Even Though people want to Proseed Mantras then

they

> > > Must

> > > > > > know

> > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > about Mantra.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > > > Niket

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > @ .

> > com, " jk.dasgupta "

> > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Raja,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > When you add OM, all doshas of the mantra is

> > removed.

> > > > > Else

> > > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > > are some

> > > > > > > > > > perticular methods to match the mantra with the

> > > native.

> > > > > > Else

> > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > creat

> > > > > > > > > > havoc.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > How do you know if Lord Hanuman is at all

> > interested

> > > in

> > > > > > > > protecting

> > > > > > > > > you? Lord

> > > > > > > > > > Hanuman is represented by Mars. It all depends

> upon

> > > the

> > > > > > > > placement

> > > > > > > > > of Mars in

> > > > > > > > > > your chart. I know one case, where Mars was in

5H

> > and

> > > > he

> > > > > > > started

> > > > > > > > > chanting

> > > > > > > > > > Hanuman mantra. His home started trembling. Why?

> > > > because

> > > > > any

> > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > is maraka

> > > > > > > > > > of the 12th house from it. 12th from 5th is 4th

> > house

> > > > > which

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > jala

> > > > > > > > > tattwa.

> > > > > > > > > > And tattwa of Mars is agni. So you can

understand

> > > what

> > > > > > > happened.

> > > > > > > > > Either agni

> > > > > > > > > > will get finished or jala will get finished.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > There are more things. You want protection from

> > > > shatrus.

> > > > > > None

> > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > do it

> > > > > > > > > > except your Palana Devata. It is denoted by the

> 6th

> > > > > planet

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > 6th lord

> > > > > > > > > > (if there is no planet) from Chara Amatma

Karaka

> in

> > > > > Navamsa.

> > > > > > > > Also,

> > > > > > > > > If any

> > > > > > > > > > planet is sitting in 5th hose in rashi, that has

> > got

> > > > > power

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > make

> > > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > dance - specially so, if it is in dusthana from

> > Lagna

> > > > > lord.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If you want spiritual progress, it is your Ista

> who

> > > > will

> > > > > > help.

> > > > > > > > Ista

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > denoted by the planet in 12th House or the 12th

> > lord

> > > > (if

> > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > planet) from Chara Atma karaka. Which planet

> > denotes

> > > > which

> > > > > > > > diety are

> > > > > > > > > > explained in BPHS and Prashna Margam.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > So you see, that it is not necessary that your

> wish

> > > > will

> > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > fullfilled by

> > > > > > > > > > just reciting a mantra. I know one case, by

> > reciting

> > > > ari-

> > > > > > > mantra,

> > > > > > > > > one lost

> > > > > > > > > > his only son. All these are to be seen while

> > > selecting

> > > > a

> > > > > > > mantra

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > person. These are all knowledges available in

> > > > paramparas

> > > > > > only.

> > > > > > > > Pt.

> > > > > > > > > Sanjay

> > > > > > > > > > Rath - in his book " Vedic Remedies in Astrology "

> > has

> > > > > brought

> > > > > > > > out in

> > > > > > > > > clarity.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > So it is always better to recite the prashiddha

> > > > mantras,

> > > > > > > unless

> > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > > > proper guidance. I will try to make a brief

write

> > up

> > > on

> > > > > > > mantra,

> > > > > > > > > different

> > > > > > > > > > types and how to understand the effect of any

> > > > perticular

> > > > > > > mantra

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > post it

> > > > > > > > > > in the list - whenever i find some time

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Jk

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > []On

> > Behalf

> > > Of

> > > > Raja

> > > > > > > > > > Thursday, January 01, 2009 7:57 AM

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Re: swaha

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dasguptaji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > i dont understand. This is a hanuman mantra

> > supposed

> > > to

> > > > > > > protect

> > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > shatrus or rog etc so why do i have to be

> carefull?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Are you stating that it is doing opposite than

> what

> > i

> > > am

> > > > > > > > thinking

> > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > should?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If i remove OM from it, it becomes 5 word, does

> > that

> > > > mean

> > > > > > it'd

> > > > > > > > > > strengthen lagna from 5th house?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > please shed some light.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > thanks,

> > > > > > > > > > raja

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > @ .

> > > com, " jk.dasgupta "

> > > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Yes, but be carefull what you want. This is a

6

> > > words

> > > > > and

> > > > > > 13

> > > > > > > > > letter

> > > > > > > > > > mantra.

> > > > > > > > > > > That means it will draw energy from your

> > > shatrubhava

> > > > or

> > > > > > > > > rogabhava

> > > > > > > > > > and give

> > > > > > > > > > > result on yr lagna.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Jk

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > []On

> > > Behalf Of

> > > > > Raja

> > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, December 31, 2008 1:52 PM

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Re: swaha

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > so is it ok to chant swaha mantra i.e.. om

shri

> > > hari

> > > > > > > markatam

> > > > > > > > > > > markatay swaha... without any homam ahuti..?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > @ .

> > > com, " jk.dasgupta "

> > > > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raja,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Swaha and Swadha are two wives of Agni.

Swaha

> > is

> > > > > > generalyy

> > > > > > > > > used

> > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > offering

> > > > > > > > > > > > something to Devas or in homams and Swadha

is

> > > used

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > sraddha

> > > > > > > > > > > karmas for

> > > > > > > > > > > > Pittris.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Now there are many types of mantras. Two are

> > > main,

> > > > i.e

> > > > > > > > `Namah'

> > > > > > > > > > > mantras where

> > > > > > > > > > > > `Namah' is used at the end. These types of

> > > mantras

> > > > > are

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > surrender to the

> > > > > > > > > > > > lord. But mantras ending with `Swaha' are

> > > somewhat

> > > > > > forcing

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > Devata to

> > > > > > > > > > > > grant the result.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > So `Namah' mantras are always better - as

the

> > > Lord

> > > > > knows

> > > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > best

> > > > > > > > > > > > suitable for us.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Jk

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > []

On

> > > Behalf

> > > > Of

> > > > > > Raja

> > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, December 31, 2008 12:19 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > swaha

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Many mantras have " swaha " at the end of

them.

> I

> > > > have

> > > > > > read

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > seen

> > > > > > > > > > > > during havana also that these kind of mantra

> > > > > > > requires " homa "

> > > > > > > > > > > (i.e..

> > > > > > > > > > > > some sort of havan ahuti) while chanting yet

> > some

> > > > > > mantras

> > > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > seen

> > > > > > > > > > > > are chanted with swaha on day to day basis

> > where

> > > > > there

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > > havan. I

> > > > > > > > > > > > wanted to ask learned ones' opinion about

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While I *love* your posting and admiration, the word that really

bothers me in your message is, " Village! "

 

RR

 

, " girish_raheja "

<girish_raheja wrote:

>

> Respected Rohiniranjan ji,

>

> Do you remember Santiago ?

>

> The protagonist of 'Old Man and the Sea' by E. Hemingway.

Santiago's

> entire village considered him a 'crazy old man'

>

> I love and admire the Old Man; crazy or otherwise. I consider him

an

> epitome of self actualisation.

>

> With respect,

>

> Girish Raheja

>

>

, " Rohiniranjan "

> <rohini_ranjan@> wrote:

> >

> > I hope the madman did not start (=stir) another bout of 32 Hz

> > activity that makes Yogis hop and levitate!

> >

> > Sorry!!

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , " jk.dasgupta "

> > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear RRji,

> > >

> > > What Niket is talking, I think is the path of getting moksha.

In

> > kaliyuga

> > > real bhakti is rare and moksha is very difficult.

> > >

> > > Kaliyuga is ruled by Rahu and in this yuga only rules laid by

Sri

> > Krishna,

> > > in Mahabharata and Geeta will pull us out from the sufferings

> > injected by

> > > Rahu - the Kaal naaga. Who else other that Sri Krishan can

> control

> > the

> > > dangerous sarpa called Kaaliya?

> > >

> > > Who comes to an astrologer if he is not suffering in this life?

> He

> > who is

> > > enjoying or passing through a good time, has no time to visit

an

> > astrologer.

> > > He who is in the path of moksha, does not require an

astrologer -

> as

> > > tomorrow has no meaning for them.

> > >

> > > Many people come to me asking " when I can get moksha? " . This

> > question points

> > > towards their frustation in life. My simple answer to them

always

> > is - one

> > > should never try to run away from the sufferings of this life,

> > rectify it

> > > properly, complete the bhogas in totality whether good or bad.

> > Moksha will

> > > come in its own course.

> > >

> > > Let us be honest and accept that, we are all bhogis and we all

> > aspire for

> > > prosperity and happiness in this life, including myself :-). We

> all

> > aspire

> > > for bhogas of Rahu.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > Jk

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > On Behalf Of

Rohiniranjan

> > > Friday, January 02, 2009 9:47 AM

> > >

> > > Re: All is Maya -

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Niket-ji,

> > >

> > > The " crazy madman " -- as Aadarniya Sunil ji chose to call me

> > > recently -- disagrees!

> > >

> > > Even Tapa and Saadhanaa require FAITH! In the Teacher and the

> > > Teaching of the Ritual!

> > >

> > > Even " experimentation " and 'improvisation', the next step, of

> what

> > > was learned through a Guru requires Faith! Faith in oneself

and

> > one's

> > > learning. Often miscomprehended by critics as " EGO " -- all it

> > > represents really is a personal resolve that says, 'I have

> chosen

> > the

> > > path and taken the first step; now may the destination teach

me

> > how

> > > to proceed!'

> > >

> > > So there is really ONE option and one path! :-)

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > > , " astroiniket "

> > > <nakshtraniket@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Yes dear Prashantji, as i have already posted in my

privious

> > posts

> > > > few months back :

> > > >

> > > > if one want to achive his target their are only 2 ways.

> > > >

> > > > 1. first is Tapa or Sadhna in which 100% proces + Knowledge

+

> > Focus

> > > +

> > > > System + Method Required and it is based on Mantra - doer

> will

> > get

> > > > 100% sure Results as wanted, no value of Faith here. becoz

> here

> > > > system is working.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 2. Second path is Bhakti: nothing is required, only

> > unconditional

> > > > love and 100% devotion, Blind faith, Required, and the

Person

> > must

> > > be

> > > > able to give desired things to others.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > the diffrence is on first way you get what you want, BUT on

> > second

> > > > path you get all withoust asking, even more then that, as

> well

> > as

> > > you

> > > > also able to give desired things to Others. you got powers

of

> > > > almighty.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Choice is ours, First way is Easy for those who have strong

> will

> > > > power, and fire to achive their worldly things.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Second Path is not easy - not at all............it needs

lot

> of

> > > > things which we can do but do not want to do. the problem

is

> our

> > > > knowledge here, our own mind, our thoughts, our

selfishness,

> we

> > do

> > > > not want to see almighty in all.

> > > >

> > > > simple thing :

> > > >

> > > > when you cant love by heart n soul to those whom you can

see

> and

> > > you

> > > > live with.

> > > >

> > > > Then how can you Love to whom , which you never seen.

> > > >

> > > > if you are able to love all by heart, then only you can

clear

> > Prep

> > > or

> > > > KG of Bhakti Marga.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Rest ALL is MAYA.

> > > >

> > > > OM GYANINAMAPI CHETANSI DEVI BHAGVATI HI SA

> > > > BALADAKRASHYA MOHAY MAHAMAYA PRAYACHATI.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > regards

> > > > Niket

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , Prashant Kumar G B

> > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Nikit, Raja

> > > > >

> > > > > well all the points covered here can be split into a few

> parts

> > > > >

> > > > > just like a good analysis, diagnosis and treatment has

its

> own

> > > > desired results

> > > > >

> > > > > so too a Mantra invokation, recitation will help in much

> > better

> > > way

> > > > if it coming from a elderly person a GURU, or one of tohe

two

> > > parents

> > > > done in the prescribed manner.

> > > > >

> > > > > Bhakti has its own dimension where it is unqualified

> devotion,

> > > > irrespective of the challenges ones faith is steadfast and

> > > > unwavering, the toad is rough but the DESTINATION is a

> beautiful

> > > one

> > > > if we See Dhruva, Markendaya, Prahalada, Hanuman,

> Annamacharya ,

> > > > Tyagaraja, Kabir, Tulsidas, Basaeshwara, Gnaneshwara, Sant

> > Govind

> > > > singh, Sri ramakrishna, Swami Vivekananda, Chaitanya

prabhu,

> > ramana

> > > > Mahirishi and a the list is endless.. there is merit in

every

> > case.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best wishes

> > > > >

> > > > > prashant

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > astroiniket <nakshtraniket@>

> > > > >

> > > > > Thursday, January 1, 2009 2:32:47 PM

> > > > > Re: swaha - why i am not agree

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > dear friends do not include Bhakti in my saying.

excluding

> > that :

> > > > >

> > > > > as you are taking med, you have faith in med or not - no

> > matter -

> > > > if

> > > > > med is strong - and rightly prescribed - and diagnosed -

> you

> > must

> > > > see

> > > > > or feel effect of med.

> > > > >

> > > > > same Mantras : if you follow Perfect process, you have

> faith

> > or

> > > > not -

> > > > > no matter - your - (Selection of Mantra + process of

Mantra

> +

> > > > > Materiel + strong will+ focus on target) must give you

> desired

> > > > result.

> > > > >

> > > > > I am agree one must need a guru to understand and perform

> all

> > > this.

> > > > >

> > > > > BUT

> > > > >

> > > > > up to a certain level - horoscope - Grah (planets) -

> > nakshtras -

> > > > > knowledge - mantras - yantras - tantra is identified but

> > their is

> > > > one

> > > > > more level beyond this level " Where all these things does

> not

> > > have

> > > > > any value - that is Bhakti. "

> > > > >

> > > > > in Bhakti nothing is required - Only unconditional love -

> > rest is

> > > > > Headache of almighty and belief me you never feel any

need

> to

> > ask

> > > > any

> > > > > thing. all will be taken care. and you will get all

without

> > doing

> > > > any

> > > > > thing.

> > > > >

> > > > > as shree Hanuman Got ashirwad from Maa " Ajar, Amar, Gun

> > Nidhi,

> > > Sut

> > > > > tum Hoyu " ( o my sun you will be sea of all Gunas,

Siddhis,

> > > Nidhis,

> > > > > all type of wealth, you will be immortal, you never be

old,

> > you

> > > > will

> > > > > be beyond time and it's control and effects) and see Lord

> > hanuman

> > > > is

> > > > > able to give any thing. a lot of can be said. but all

these

> > > things

> > > > > can be written in words.

> > > > >

> > > > > rgds

> > > > > Niket

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Raja "

> > <desi.raja@ ..>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I stand corrected. Case studies i assume can be as

> > emipirical

> > > > proof

> > > > > > as any scientific verification. I was just attempting to

> > > balance

> > > > > the

> > > > > > arguments.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " astroiniket "

> > > > > > <nakshtraniket@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > dear Raja,

> > > > > > > in what context you are asking to prove ? what you

want

> to

> > > > > verify ?

> > > > > > > pls clear dot points.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > rgds

> > > > > > > Niker

> > > > > > > , " Raja "

> > > <desi.raja@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > see , what you two have been discussing is

theoritical

> > > > science

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > no way it can empirically be verified hence there

is

> no

> > way

> > > > for

> > > > > > > > proving who is right and who is not. Different mind

> has

> > > > > diffrent

> > > > > > > > theories and it very well may lead to a single

> ultimate

> > > > > > destination

> > > > > > > > but how do we verify as no such method exist to

> verify.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > fascinating. I am glad that i joined this group.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > @ .

> com, " jk.dasgupta "

> > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I fully agree with you :-)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Jk

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > []On

> Behalf

> > Of

> > > > > > astroiniket

> > > > > > > > > Thursday, January 01, 2009 12:28 PM

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Re: swaha - why i am not agree

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > my dear friend - some time knowledge is door of

> Haven,

> > > > and

> > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > it is door of Hell. Depends.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > as almighty is concern - no knowledge is

required.

> as

> > > > world

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > concern a lot of knowledge is also very very less.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > kind regards

> > > > > > > > > Niket

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > @ .

> > com, " jk.dasgupta "

> > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I think Parashara and Neelakantha knows better

> than

> > > us.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > What you are telling is perfectly alright - when

> > > doing

> > > > > puja

> > > > > > > > without

> > > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > vasana and just for spiritual progress. But when

> > > > material

> > > > > > > > progress

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > required, rules are different.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > In your other mail you have mentioned that you

> have

> > > all

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > books.

> > > > > > > > > Then you

> > > > > > > > > > must be knowing more than me. I do not have

those

> > > > books,

> > > > > > nor

> > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > > Sanskrit. I only follow my Guru's words.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > What you have mentioned about Dr. Srimali is

your

> > > > > personal

> > > > > > > > openion.

> > > > > > > > > I do not

> > > > > > > > > > agree with it. I know him personally and got

> > benefits.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Of course, I also do not follow the ideas of his

> > > family

> > > > > > > members

> > > > > > > > > holding the

> > > > > > > > > > reign. It is also my personal openion.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Jk

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > []On

> Behalf

> > > Of

> > > > > > > > astroiniket

> > > > > > > > > > Thursday, January 01, 2009 12:02 PM

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Re: swaha - why i am not agree

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > dear sir,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 1. " When you add OM, all doshas of the mantra is

> > > > removed. "

> > > > > > > > > > sir prefixing of Om cant remove any dosha of any

> > > mantra

> > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > 32

> > > > > > > > > > dosha in mantra - which only can be removed by

> doing

> > > > > perfect

> > > > > > > > > vidhana.

> > > > > > > > > > may see shloka in rgveda " asya mantrani karkam

> > > > devhelnat " .

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 2. None of diety (form of almighty) is not

bound

> > only

> > > > with

> > > > > > > > > planets.

> > > > > > > > > > as lord Hanuman was born on Tuesday so people

> > > consider

> > > > > him

> > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > Mars, and few people consider Lord Kartikey

also

> > lord

> > > > of

> > > > > > > Mars.

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > actual it is nothing to do with Mars. Mars

> consider

> > > as

> > > > > > > > Bhumiputra

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > govern by self. Mars is self demi diety. see

> > refrence

> > > in

> > > > > > > > > > samveda " nanvatenya angaraka bhumiputro shivasya

> > > > > > saranchanam,

> > > > > > > > tsya

> > > > > > > > > > alokya...... may read full in original " .

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 3. All mantras have their own nature, yes agni

> Beez

> > > > > mantra

> > > > > > > cant

> > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > used with Jala Beez Mantra, but it can be used

> when

> > > > Prana

> > > > > > > > > pratishtha

> > > > > > > > > > is needed for any mantra.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 4. whom to worship for what - one has to

worship

> > only

> > > > one

> > > > > > form

> > > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > one is his / her Ishta Devi or Devta. may be

> saakar

> > > > rupa

> > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > nirakaar

> > > > > > > > > > rupa.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > their is nothing which your Ishta Dev or Devi

cant

> > > give

> > > > > > you,

> > > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > leave your Isht and run here n their it means

you

> > > have

> > > > > > doubt

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > or her powers, kindly remember Almighty is only

> one,

> > > > have

> > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > forms.

> > > > > > > > > > Rama or krishna or hanuman or shakti or ganesha

or

> > > any

> > > > > one

> > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > forms of one only one The Suprem Personality The

> > > > Almighty

> > > > > > God.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > if one falls in Mantra then must know complete

> > > Vidhana,

> > > > > > > > otherwise

> > > > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > > just simple Prayer, Prayer is one of the most

> > > Powerful

> > > > > tool

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > hand

> > > > > > > > > > of Human beings, Their all billions of people

who

> > > even

> > > > > does

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > > any Mantra, who even does not know Rama or

> Krishna,

> > > > they

> > > > > > > worship

> > > > > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > > almighty in other Form/s. most of people do only

> > > prayer

> > > > > on

> > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > earth.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > This all things only on your belief, what ever

you

> > > > > belief,

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > comes

> > > > > > > > > > in same reply.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > in end - ANY ONE WHO TAKE ALMIGHTY'S NAME - ANY

> > NAME -

> > >

> > > > OR

> > > > > > > PRAY

> > > > > > > > IN

> > > > > > > > > ANY

> > > > > > > > > > LANGUAGE OR FROM - MUST BLESSED.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > THEIR IS NO END OF DEBAIT, IT ALL MANTRA YANTRA

> ALL

> > > > THESE

> > > > > > ARE

> > > > > > > > > BELIEFE

> > > > > > > > > > BASED ON ASTI OR NASTI ONLY.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > WORSHIP OF ALMIGHTY DOES NOT NEED ANY THING, NO

> > > MANTRA

> > > > OR

> > > > > > > YANTRA

> > > > > > > > > IS

> > > > > > > > > > NEEDED - WHEN YOU CALL HIM BY YOUR HEART AND

SOUL

> IN

> > > ANY

> > > > > > > > > LANGUAGE -

> > > > > > > > > > ALLWAYS ANSWERED - THE ONLY CONDITION YOU MUST

BE

> > > > CLEAN,

> > > > > > > CLEAR,

> > > > > > > > > PURE,

> > > > > > > > > > THEN ONLY REPLY WILL COME VERY FAST

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > (EXAMPLE : when you boil water , if water is

> clean,

> > > > > clear,

> > > > > > > pure

> > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > take few minutes to boil, BUT if water is too

mudy

> > > and

> > > > > > impure

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > mix

> > > > > > > > > > of dirt or other things, it take long time to

get

> > > > boiled)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Soul is like water, if it is clean , clear,

pure,

> > > your

> > > > > > prayer

> > > > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > > > reply fast, but if it is not clean, clear, pure,

> > > Reply

> > > > > must

> > > > > > > come

> > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > it will take it own time.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > By just chanting His/ Her name with

unconditional

> > > love

> > > > > > > without

> > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > Vidhana, will clear your all karmas, your all

> > > impurity

> > > > > very

> > > > > > > fast

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > you will be blessed.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Even Though people want to Proseed Mantras then

> they

> > > > Must

> > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > about Mantra.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > > > > Niket

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > @ .

> > > com, " jk.dasgupta "

> > > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raja,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > When you add OM, all doshas of the mantra is

> > > removed.

> > > > > > Else

> > > > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > > > are some

> > > > > > > > > > > perticular methods to match the mantra with

the

> > > > native.

> > > > > > > Else

> > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > creat

> > > > > > > > > > > havoc.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > How do you know if Lord Hanuman is at all

> > > interested

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > > protecting

> > > > > > > > > > you? Lord

> > > > > > > > > > > Hanuman is represented by Mars. It all

depends

> > upon

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > placement

> > > > > > > > > > of Mars in

> > > > > > > > > > > your chart. I know one case, where Mars was

in

> 5H

> > > and

> > > > > he

> > > > > > > > started

> > > > > > > > > > chanting

> > > > > > > > > > > Hanuman mantra. His home started trembling.

Why?

> > > > > because

> > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > is maraka

> > > > > > > > > > > of the 12th house from it. 12th from 5th is

4th

> > > house

> > > > > > which

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > jala

> > > > > > > > > > tattwa.

> > > > > > > > > > > And tattwa of Mars is agni. So you can

> understand

> > > > what

> > > > > > > > happened.

> > > > > > > > > > Either agni

> > > > > > > > > > > will get finished or jala will get finished.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > There are more things. You want protection

from

> > > > > shatrus.

> > > > > > > None

> > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > do it

> > > > > > > > > > > except your Palana Devata. It is denoted by

the

> > 6th

> > > > > > planet

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > 6th lord

> > > > > > > > > > > (if there is no planet) from Chara Amatma

> Karaka

> > in

> > > > > > Navamsa.

> > > > > > > > > Also,

> > > > > > > > > > If any

> > > > > > > > > > > planet is sitting in 5th hose in rashi, that

has

> > > got

> > > > > > power

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > make

> > > > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > > dance - specially so, if it is in dusthana

from

> > > Lagna

> > > > > > lord.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > If you want spiritual progress, it is your

Ista

> > who

> > > > > will

> > > > > > > help.

> > > > > > > > > Ista

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > denoted by the planet in 12th House or the

12th

> > > lord

> > > > > (if

> > > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > > planet) from Chara Atma karaka. Which planet

> > > denotes

> > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > diety are

> > > > > > > > > > > explained in BPHS and Prashna Margam.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > So you see, that it is not necessary that

your

> > wish

> > > > > will

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > fullfilled by

> > > > > > > > > > > just reciting a mantra. I know one case, by

> > > reciting

> > > > > ari-

> > > > > > > > mantra,

> > > > > > > > > > one lost

> > > > > > > > > > > his only son. All these are to be seen while

> > > > selecting

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > > mantra

> > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > person. These are all knowledges available in

> > > > > paramparas

> > > > > > > only.

> > > > > > > > > Pt.

> > > > > > > > > > Sanjay

> > > > > > > > > > > Rath - in his book " Vedic Remedies in

Astrology "

> > > has

> > > > > > brought

> > > > > > > > > out in

> > > > > > > > > > clarity.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > So it is always better to recite the

prashiddha

> > > > > mantras,

> > > > > > > > unless

> > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > > > > proper guidance. I will try to make a brief

> write

> > > up

> > > > on

> > > > > > > > mantra,

> > > > > > > > > > different

> > > > > > > > > > > types and how to understand the effect of any

> > > > > perticular

> > > > > > > > mantra

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > post it

> > > > > > > > > > > in the list - whenever i find some time

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Jk

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > []On

> > > Behalf

> > > > Of

> > > > > Raja

> > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, January 01, 2009 7:57 AM

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Re: swaha

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dasguptaji,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > i dont understand. This is a hanuman mantra

> > > supposed

> > > > to

> > > > > > > > protect

> > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > shatrus or rog etc so why do i have to be

> > carefull?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Are you stating that it is doing opposite

than

> > what

> > > i

> > > > am

> > > > > > > > > thinking

> > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > should?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > If i remove OM from it, it becomes 5 word,

does

> > > that

> > > > > mean

> > > > > > > it'd

> > > > > > > > > > > strengthen lagna from 5th house?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > please shed some light.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > thanks,

> > > > > > > > > > > raja

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > @ .

> > > > com, " jk.dasgupta "

> > > > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, but be carefull what you want. This is

a

> 6

> > > > words

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > 13

> > > > > > > > > > letter

> > > > > > > > > > > mantra.

> > > > > > > > > > > > That means it will draw energy from your

> > > > shatrubhava

> > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > rogabhava

> > > > > > > > > > > and give

> > > > > > > > > > > > result on yr lagna.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Jk

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > []

On

> > > > Behalf Of

> > > > > > Raja

> > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, December 31, 2008 1:52 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Re: swaha

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > so is it ok to chant swaha mantra i.e.. om

> shri

> > > > hari

> > > > > > > > markatam

> > > > > > > > > > > > markatay swaha... without any homam ahuti..?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > @ .

> > > > com, " jk.dasgupta "

> > > > > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raja,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Swaha and Swadha are two wives of Agni.

> Swaha

> > > is

> > > > > > > generalyy

> > > > > > > > > > used

> > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > offering

> > > > > > > > > > > > > something to Devas or in homams and

Swadha

> is

> > > > used

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > sraddha

> > > > > > > > > > > > karmas for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Pittris.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Now there are many types of mantras. Two

are

> > > > main,

> > > > > i.e

> > > > > > > > > `Namah'

> > > > > > > > > > > > mantras where

> > > > > > > > > > > > > `Namah' is used at the end. These types of

> > > > mantras

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > surrender to the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > lord. But mantras ending with `Swaha' are

> > > > somewhat

> > > > > > > forcing

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > Devata to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > grant the result.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > So `Namah' mantras are always better - as

> the

> > > > Lord

> > > > > > knows

> > > > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > best

> > > > > > > > > > > > > suitable for us.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > [@ .

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> > > > Behalf

> > > > > Of

> > > > > > > Raja

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, December 31, 2008 12:19

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> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > swaha

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Many mantras have " swaha " at the end of

> them.

> > I

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > read

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > seen

> > > > > > > > > > > > > during havana also that these kind of

mantra

> > > > > > > > requires " homa "

> > > > > > > > > > > > (i.e..

> > > > > > > > > > > > > some sort of havan ahuti) while chanting

yet

> > > some

> > > > > > > mantras

> > > > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > seen

> > > > > > > > > > > > > are chanted with swaha on day to day basis

> > > where

> > > > > > there

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > > > havan. I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > wanted to ask learned ones' opinion about

> this

> > > > > matter.

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Respected Rohiniranjan ji,

 

Oooops !

 

A small Cuban town of fishermen !

 

Sorry

 

With respect,

 

Girish Raheja

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " Rohiniranjan "

<rohini_ranjan wrote:

>

> While I *love* your posting and admiration, the word that really

> bothers me in your message is, " Village! "

>

> RR

>

> , " girish_raheja "

> <girish_raheja@> wrote:

> >

> > Respected Rohiniranjan ji,

> >

> > Do you remember Santiago ?

> >

> > The protagonist of 'Old Man and the Sea' by E. Hemingway.

> Santiago's

> > entire village considered him a 'crazy old man'

> >

> > I love and admire the Old Man; crazy or otherwise. I consider him

> an

> > epitome of self actualisation.

> >

> > With respect,

> >

> > Girish Raheja

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " Rohiniranjan "

> > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote:

> > >

> > > I hope the madman did not start (=stir) another bout of 32 Hz

> > > activity that makes Yogis hop and levitate!

> > >

> > > Sorry!!

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , " jk.dasgupta "

> > > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear RRji,

> > > >

> > > > What Niket is talking, I think is the path of getting moksha.

> In

> > > kaliyuga

> > > > real bhakti is rare and moksha is very difficult.

> > > >

> > > > Kaliyuga is ruled by Rahu and in this yuga only rules laid by

> Sri

> > > Krishna,

> > > > in Mahabharata and Geeta will pull us out from the sufferings

> > > injected by

> > > > Rahu - the Kaal naaga. Who else other that Sri Krishan can

> > control

> > > the

> > > > dangerous sarpa called Kaaliya?

> > > >

> > > > Who comes to an astrologer if he is not suffering in this

life?

> > He

> > > who is

> > > > enjoying or passing through a good time, has no time to visit

> an

> > > astrologer.

> > > > He who is in the path of moksha, does not require an

> astrologer -

> > as

> > > > tomorrow has no meaning for them.

> > > >

> > > > Many people come to me asking " when I can get moksha? " . This

> > > question points

> > > > towards their frustation in life. My simple answer to them

> always

> > > is - one

> > > > should never try to run away from the sufferings of this

life,

> > > rectify it

> > > > properly, complete the bhogas in totality whether good or

bad.

> > > Moksha will

> > > > come in its own course.

> > > >

> > > > Let us be honest and accept that, we are all bhogis and we

all

> > > aspire for

> > > > prosperity and happiness in this life, including myself :-).

We

> > all

> > > aspire

> > > > for bhogas of Rahu.

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > >

> > > > Jk

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > On Behalf Of

> Rohiniranjan

> > > > Friday, January 02, 2009 9:47 AM

> > > >

> > > > Re: All is Maya -

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Niket-ji,

> > > >

> > > > The " crazy madman " -- as Aadarniya Sunil ji chose to call me

> > > > recently -- disagrees!

> > > >

> > > > Even Tapa and Saadhanaa require FAITH! In the Teacher and

the

> > > > Teaching of the Ritual!

> > > >

> > > > Even " experimentation " and 'improvisation', the next step,

of

> > what

> > > > was learned through a Guru requires Faith! Faith in oneself

> and

> > > one's

> > > > learning. Often miscomprehended by critics as " EGO " -- all

it

> > > > represents really is a personal resolve that says, 'I have

> > chosen

> > > the

> > > > path and taken the first step; now may the destination

teach

> me

> > > how

> > > > to proceed!'

> > > >

> > > > So there is really ONE option and one path! :-)

> > > >

> > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > >

> > > > , " astroiniket "

> > > > <nakshtraniket@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes dear Prashantji, as i have already posted in my

> privious

> > > posts

> > > > > few months back :

> > > > >

> > > > > if one want to achive his target their are only 2 ways.

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. first is Tapa or Sadhna in which 100% proces +

Knowledge

> +

> > > Focus

> > > > +

> > > > > System + Method Required and it is based on Mantra - doer

> > will

> > > get

> > > > > 100% sure Results as wanted, no value of Faith here.

becoz

> > here

> > > > > system is working.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 2. Second path is Bhakti: nothing is required, only

> > > unconditional

> > > > > love and 100% devotion, Blind faith, Required, and the

> Person

> > > must

> > > > be

> > > > > able to give desired things to others.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > the diffrence is on first way you get what you want, BUT

on

> > > second

> > > > > path you get all withoust asking, even more then that, as

> > well

> > > as

> > > > you

> > > > > also able to give desired things to Others. you got

powers

> of

> > > > > almighty.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Choice is ours, First way is Easy for those who have

strong

> > will

> > > > > power, and fire to achive their worldly things.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Second Path is not easy - not at all............it needs

> lot

> > of

> > > > > things which we can do but do not want to do. the problem

> is

> > our

> > > > > knowledge here, our own mind, our thoughts, our

> selfishness,

> > we

> > > do

> > > > > not want to see almighty in all.

> > > > >

> > > > > simple thing :

> > > > >

> > > > > when you cant love by heart n soul to those whom you can

> see

> > and

> > > > you

> > > > > live with.

> > > > >

> > > > > Then how can you Love to whom , which you never seen.

> > > > >

> > > > > if you are able to love all by heart, then only you can

> clear

> > > Prep

> > > > or

> > > > > KG of Bhakti Marga.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Rest ALL is MAYA.

> > > > >

> > > > > OM GYANINAMAPI CHETANSI DEVI BHAGVATI HI SA

> > > > > BALADAKRASHYA MOHAY MAHAMAYA PRAYACHATI.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > regards

> > > > > Niket

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , Prashant Kumar G

B

> > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Nikit, Raja

> > > > > >

> > > > > > well all the points covered here can be split into a

few

> > parts

> > > > > >

> > > > > > just like a good analysis, diagnosis and treatment has

> its

> > own

> > > > > desired results

> > > > > >

> > > > > > so too a Mantra invokation, recitation will help in

much

> > > better

> > > > way

> > > > > if it coming from a elderly person a GURU, or one of tohe

> two

> > > > parents

> > > > > done in the prescribed manner.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bhakti has its own dimension where it is unqualified

> > devotion,

> > > > > irrespective of the challenges ones faith is steadfast and

> > > > > unwavering, the toad is rough but the DESTINATION is a

> > beautiful

> > > > one

> > > > > if we See Dhruva, Markendaya, Prahalada, Hanuman,

> > Annamacharya ,

> > > > > Tyagaraja, Kabir, Tulsidas, Basaeshwara, Gnaneshwara,

Sant

> > > Govind

> > > > > singh, Sri ramakrishna, Swami Vivekananda, Chaitanya

> prabhu,

> > > ramana

> > > > > Mahirishi and a the list is endless.. there is merit in

> every

> > > case.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best wishes

> > > > > >

> > > > > > prashant

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > astroiniket <nakshtraniket@>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thursday, January 1, 2009 2:32:47 PM

> > > > > > Re: swaha - why i am not agree

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > dear friends do not include Bhakti in my saying.

> excluding

> > > that :

> > > > > >

> > > > > > as you are taking med, you have faith in med or not -

no

> > > matter -

> > > > > if

> > > > > > med is strong - and rightly prescribed - and diagnosed -

 

> > you

> > > must

> > > > > see

> > > > > > or feel effect of med.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > same Mantras : if you follow Perfect process, you have

> > faith

> > > or

> > > > > not -

> > > > > > no matter - your - (Selection of Mantra + process of

> Mantra

> > +

> > > > > > Materiel + strong will+ focus on target) must give you

> > desired

> > > > > result.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am agree one must need a guru to understand and

perform

> > all

> > > > this.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > BUT

> > > > > >

> > > > > > up to a certain level - horoscope - Grah (planets) -

> > > nakshtras -

> > > > > > knowledge - mantras - yantras - tantra is identified

but

> > > their is

> > > > > one

> > > > > > more level beyond this level " Where all these things

does

> > not

> > > > have

> > > > > > any value - that is Bhakti. "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > in Bhakti nothing is required - Only unconditional

love -

> > > rest is

> > > > > > Headache of almighty and belief me you never feel any

> need

> > to

> > > ask

> > > > > any

> > > > > > thing. all will be taken care. and you will get all

> without

> > > doing

> > > > > any

> > > > > > thing.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > as shree Hanuman Got ashirwad from Maa " Ajar, Amar,

Gun

> > > Nidhi,

> > > > Sut

> > > > > > tum Hoyu " ( o my sun you will be sea of all Gunas,

> Siddhis,

> > > > Nidhis,

> > > > > > all type of wealth, you will be immortal, you never be

> old,

> > > you

> > > > > will

> > > > > > be beyond time and it's control and effects) and see

Lord

> > > hanuman

> > > > > is

> > > > > > able to give any thing. a lot of can be said. but all

> these

> > > > things

> > > > > > can be written in words.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > rgds

> > > > > > Niket

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " Raja "

> > > <desi.raja@ ..>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I stand corrected. Case studies i assume can be as

> > > emipirical

> > > > > proof

> > > > > > > as any scientific verification. I was just attempting

to

> > > > balance

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > arguments.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > @ .

com, " astroiniket "

> > > > > > > <nakshtraniket@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > dear Raja,

> > > > > > > > in what context you are asking to prove ? what you

> want

> > to

> > > > > > verify ?

> > > > > > > > pls clear dot points.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > rgds

> > > > > > > > Niker

> > > > > > > > , " Raja "

> > > > <desi.raja@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > see , what you two have been discussing is

> theoritical

> > > > > science

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > no way it can empirically be verified hence there

> is

> > no

> > > way

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > proving who is right and who is not. Different

mind

> > has

> > > > > > diffrent

> > > > > > > > > theories and it very well may lead to a single

> > ultimate

> > > > > > > destination

> > > > > > > > > but how do we verify as no such method exist to

> > verify.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > fascinating. I am glad that i joined this group.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > @ .

> > com, " jk.dasgupta "

> > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I fully agree with you :-)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Jk

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > []On

> > Behalf

> > > Of

> > > > > > > astroiniket

> > > > > > > > > > Thursday, January 01, 2009 12:28 PM

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Re: swaha - why i am not agree

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > my dear friend - some time knowledge is door of

> > Haven,

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > it is door of Hell. Depends.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > as almighty is concern - no knowledge is

> required.

> > as

> > > > > world

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > concern a lot of knowledge is also very very

less.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > kind regards

> > > > > > > > > > Niket

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > @ .

> > > com, " jk.dasgupta "

> > > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I think Parashara and Neelakantha knows

better

> > than

> > > > us.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > What you are telling is perfectly alright -

when

> > > > doing

> > > > > > puja

> > > > > > > > > without

> > > > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > > vasana and just for spiritual progress. But

when

> > > > > material

> > > > > > > > > progress

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > required, rules are different.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > In your other mail you have mentioned that

you

> > have

> > > > all

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > books.

> > > > > > > > > > Then you

> > > > > > > > > > > must be knowing more than me. I do not have

> those

> > > > > books,

> > > > > > > nor

> > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > > > Sanskrit. I only follow my Guru's words.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > What you have mentioned about Dr. Srimali is

> your

> > > > > > personal

> > > > > > > > > openion.

> > > > > > > > > > I do not

> > > > > > > > > > > agree with it. I know him personally and got

> > > benefits.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I also do not follow the ideas of

his

> > > > family

> > > > > > > > members

> > > > > > > > > > holding the

> > > > > > > > > > > reign. It is also my personal openion.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Jk

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > []On

> > Behalf

> > > > Of

> > > > > > > > > astroiniket

> > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, January 01, 2009 12:02 PM

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Re: swaha - why i am not agree

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > dear sir,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 1. " When you add OM, all doshas of the mantra

is

> > > > > removed. "

> > > > > > > > > > > sir prefixing of Om cant remove any dosha of

any

> > > > mantra

> > > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > 32

> > > > > > > > > > > dosha in mantra - which only can be removed

by

> > doing

> > > > > > perfect

> > > > > > > > > > vidhana.

> > > > > > > > > > > may see shloka in rgveda " asya mantrani karkam

> > > > > devhelnat " .

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 2. None of diety (form of almighty) is not

> bound

> > > only

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > planets.

> > > > > > > > > > > as lord Hanuman was born on Tuesday so people

> > > > consider

> > > > > > him

> > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > Mars, and few people consider Lord Kartikey

> also

> > > lord

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > Mars.

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > actual it is nothing to do with Mars. Mars

> > consider

> > > > as

> > > > > > > > > Bhumiputra

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > govern by self. Mars is self demi diety. see

> > > refrence

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > samveda " nanvatenya angaraka bhumiputro

shivasya

> > > > > > > saranchanam,

> > > > > > > > > tsya

> > > > > > > > > > > alokya...... may read full in original " .

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 3. All mantras have their own nature, yes

agni

> > Beez

> > > > > > mantra

> > > > > > > > cant

> > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > used with Jala Beez Mantra, but it can be

used

> > when

> > > > > Prana

> > > > > > > > > > pratishtha

> > > > > > > > > > > is needed for any mantra.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 4. whom to worship for what - one has to

> worship

> > > only

> > > > > one

> > > > > > > form

> > > > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > one is his / her Ishta Devi or Devta. may be

> > saakar

> > > > > rupa

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > nirakaar

> > > > > > > > > > > rupa.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > their is nothing which your Ishta Dev or Devi

> cant

> > > > give

> > > > > > > you,

> > > > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > leave your Isht and run here n their it means

> you

> > > > have

> > > > > > > doubt

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > or her powers, kindly remember Almighty is

only

> > one,

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > forms.

> > > > > > > > > > > Rama or krishna or hanuman or shakti or

ganesha

> or

> > > > any

> > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > forms of one only one The Suprem Personality

The

> > > > > Almighty

> > > > > > > God.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > if one falls in Mantra then must know complete

> > > > Vidhana,

> > > > > > > > > otherwise

> > > > > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > > > just simple Prayer, Prayer is one of the most

> > > > Powerful

> > > > > > tool

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > hand

> > > > > > > > > > > of Human beings, Their all billions of people

> who

> > > > even

> > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > > > any Mantra, who even does not know Rama or

> > Krishna,

> > > > > they

> > > > > > > > worship

> > > > > > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > > > almighty in other Form/s. most of people do

only

> > > > prayer

> > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > earth.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > This all things only on your belief, what

ever

> you

> > > > > > belief,

> > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > comes

> > > > > > > > > > > in same reply.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > in end - ANY ONE WHO TAKE ALMIGHTY'S NAME -

ANY

> > > NAME -

> > > >

> > > > > OR

> > > > > > > > PRAY

> > > > > > > > > IN

> > > > > > > > > > ANY

> > > > > > > > > > > LANGUAGE OR FROM - MUST BLESSED.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > THEIR IS NO END OF DEBAIT, IT ALL MANTRA

YANTRA

> > ALL

> > > > > THESE

> > > > > > > ARE

> > > > > > > > > > BELIEFE

> > > > > > > > > > > BASED ON ASTI OR NASTI ONLY.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > WORSHIP OF ALMIGHTY DOES NOT NEED ANY THING,

NO

> > > > MANTRA

> > > > > OR

> > > > > > > > YANTRA

> > > > > > > > > > IS

> > > > > > > > > > > NEEDED - WHEN YOU CALL HIM BY YOUR HEART AND

> SOUL

> > IN

> > > > ANY

> > > > > > > > > > LANGUAGE -

> > > > > > > > > > > ALLWAYS ANSWERED - THE ONLY CONDITION YOU

MUST

> BE

> > > > > CLEAN,

> > > > > > > > CLEAR,

> > > > > > > > > > PURE,

> > > > > > > > > > > THEN ONLY REPLY WILL COME VERY FAST

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > (EXAMPLE : when you boil water , if water is

> > clean,

> > > > > > clear,

> > > > > > > > pure

> > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > take few minutes to boil, BUT if water is too

> mudy

> > > > and

> > > > > > > impure

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > mix

> > > > > > > > > > > of dirt or other things, it take long time to

> get

> > > > > boiled)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Soul is like water, if it is clean , clear,

> pure,

> > > > your

> > > > > > > prayer

> > > > > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > > > > reply fast, but if it is not clean, clear,

pure,

> > > > Reply

> > > > > > must

> > > > > > > > come

> > > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > it will take it own time.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > By just chanting His/ Her name with

> unconditional

> > > > love

> > > > > > > > without

> > > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > > Vidhana, will clear your all karmas, your all

> > > > impurity

> > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > fast

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > you will be blessed.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Even Though people want to Proseed Mantras

then

> > they

> > > > > Must

> > > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > > about Mantra.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > > > > > Niket

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > @ .

> > > > com, " jk.dasgupta "

> > > > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raja,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > When you add OM, all doshas of the mantra is

> > > > removed.

> > > > > > > Else

> > > > > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > > > > are some

> > > > > > > > > > > > perticular methods to match the mantra with

> the

> > > > > native.

> > > > > > > > Else

> > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > creat

> > > > > > > > > > > > havoc.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > How do you know if Lord Hanuman is at all

> > > > interested

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > protecting

> > > > > > > > > > > you? Lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > Hanuman is represented by Mars. It all

> depends

> > > upon

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > placement

> > > > > > > > > > > of Mars in

> > > > > > > > > > > > your chart. I know one case, where Mars was

> in

> > 5H

> > > > and

> > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > started

> > > > > > > > > > > chanting

> > > > > > > > > > > > Hanuman mantra. His home started trembling.

> Why?

> > > > > > because

> > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > is maraka

> > > > > > > > > > > > of the 12th house from it. 12th from 5th is

> 4th

> > > > house

> > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > jala

> > > > > > > > > > > tattwa.

> > > > > > > > > > > > And tattwa of Mars is agni. So you can

> > understand

> > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > happened.

> > > > > > > > > > > Either agni

> > > > > > > > > > > > will get finished or jala will get finished.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > There are more things. You want protection

> from

> > > > > > shatrus.

> > > > > > > > None

> > > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > do it

> > > > > > > > > > > > except your Palana Devata. It is denoted by

> the

> > > 6th

> > > > > > > planet

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > 6th lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > (if there is no planet) from Chara Amatma

> > Karaka

> > > in

> > > > > > > Navamsa.

> > > > > > > > > > Also,

> > > > > > > > > > > If any

> > > > > > > > > > > > planet is sitting in 5th hose in rashi,

that

> has

> > > > got

> > > > > > > power

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > make

> > > > > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > > > dance - specially so, if it is in dusthana

> from

> > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > lord.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > If you want spiritual progress, it is your

> Ista

> > > who

> > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > help.

> > > > > > > > > > Ista

> > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > denoted by the planet in 12th House or the

> 12th

> > > > lord

> > > > > > (if

> > > > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > > > planet) from Chara Atma karaka. Which planet

> > > > denotes

> > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > diety are

> > > > > > > > > > > > explained in BPHS and Prashna Margam.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > So you see, that it is not necessary that

> your

> > > wish

> > > > > > will

> > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > fullfilled by

> > > > > > > > > > > > just reciting a mantra. I know one case, by

> > > > reciting

> > > > > > ari-

> > > > > > > > > mantra,

> > > > > > > > > > > one lost

> > > > > > > > > > > > his only son. All these are to be seen while

> > > > > selecting

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > mantra

> > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > person. These are all knowledges available

in

> > > > > > paramparas

> > > > > > > > only.

> > > > > > > > > > Pt.

> > > > > > > > > > > Sanjay

> > > > > > > > > > > > Rath - in his book " Vedic Remedies in

> Astrology "

> > > > has

> > > > > > > brought

> > > > > > > > > > out in

> > > > > > > > > > > clarity.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > So it is always better to recite the

> prashiddha

> > > > > > mantras,

> > > > > > > > > unless

> > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > > > > > proper guidance. I will try to make a brief

> > write

> > > > up

> > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > mantra,

> > > > > > > > > > > different

> > > > > > > > > > > > types and how to understand the effect of

any

> > > > > > perticular

> > > > > > > > > mantra

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > post it

> > > > > > > > > > > > in the list - whenever i find some time

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Jk

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > []

On

> > > > Behalf

> > > > > Of

> > > > > > Raja

> > > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, January 01, 2009 7:57 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Re: swaha

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dasguptaji,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > i dont understand. This is a hanuman mantra

> > > > supposed

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > protect

> > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > shatrus or rog etc so why do i have to be

> > > carefull?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Are you stating that it is doing opposite

> than

> > > what

> > > > i

> > > > > am

> > > > > > > > > > thinking

> > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > should?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > If i remove OM from it, it becomes 5 word,

> does

> > > > that

> > > > > > mean

> > > > > > > > it'd

> > > > > > > > > > > > strengthen lagna from 5th house?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > please shed some light.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > thanks,

> > > > > > > > > > > > raja

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > @ .

> > > > > com, " jk.dasgupta "

> > > > > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, but be carefull what you want. This

is

> a

> > 6

> > > > > words

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > 13

> > > > > > > > > > > letter

> > > > > > > > > > > > mantra.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > That means it will draw energy from your

> > > > > shatrubhava

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > rogabhava

> > > > > > > > > > > > and give

> > > > > > > > > > > > > result on yr lagna.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > [@ .

com]

> On

> > > > > Behalf Of

> > > > > > > Raja

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, December 31, 2008 1:52 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: swaha

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > so is it ok to chant swaha mantra i.e..

om

> > shri

> > > > > hari

> > > > > > > > > markatam

> > > > > > > > > > > > > markatay swaha... without any homam

ahuti..?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > @ .

> > > > > com, " jk.dasgupta "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raja,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swaha and Swadha are two wives of Agni.

> > Swaha

> > > > is

> > > > > > > > generalyy

> > > > > > > > > > > used

> > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > offering

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > something to Devas or in homams and

> Swadha

> > is

> > > > > used

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > sraddha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > karmas for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pittris.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now there are many types of mantras.

Two

> are

> > > > > main,

> > > > > > i.e

> > > > > > > > > > `Namah'

> > > > > > > > > > > > > mantras where

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > `Namah' is used at the end. These types

of

> > > > > mantras

> > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > surrender to the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord. But mantras ending with `Swaha'

are

> > > > > somewhat

> > > > > > > > forcing

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Devata to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > grant the result.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > So `Namah' mantras are always better -

as

> > the

> > > > > Lord

> > > > > > > knows

> > > > > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > best

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > suitable for us.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > [@ .

> com]

> > On

> > > > > Behalf

> > > > > > Of

> > > > > > > > Raja

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, December 31, 2008

12:19

> PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > swaha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many mantras have " swaha " at the end of

> > them.

> > > I

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > read

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > seen

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > during havana also that these kind of

> mantra

> > > > > > > > > requires " homa "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > (i.e..

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > some sort of havan ahuti) while

chanting

> yet

> > > > some

> > > > > > > > mantras

> > > > > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > seen

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > are chanted with swaha on day to day

basis

> > > > where

> > > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > > > > havan. I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wanted to ask learned ones' opinion

about

> > this

> > > > > > matter.

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Thanks! I will wait until the remaining fishermen in our club arrive

and we all collectively go 'fishing'! ;-)

 

RR

 

 

, " girish_raheja "

<girish_raheja wrote:

>

> Respected Rohiniranjan ji,

>

> Oooops !

>

> A small Cuban town of fishermen !

>

> Sorry

>

> With respect,

>

> Girish Raheja

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

, " Rohiniranjan "

> <rohini_ranjan@> wrote:

> >

> > While I *love* your posting and admiration, the word that really

> > bothers me in your message is, " Village! "

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , " girish_raheja "

> > <girish_raheja@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Rohiniranjan ji,

> > >

> > > Do you remember Santiago ?

> > >

> > > The protagonist of 'Old Man and the Sea' by E. Hemingway.

> > Santiago's

> > > entire village considered him a 'crazy old man'

> > >

> > > I love and admire the Old Man; crazy or otherwise. I consider

him

> > an

> > > epitome of self actualisation.

> > >

> > > With respect,

> > >

> > > Girish Raheja

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " Rohiniranjan "

> > > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > I hope the madman did not start (=stir) another bout of 32 Hz

> > > > activity that makes Yogis hop and levitate!

> > > >

> > > > Sorry!!

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > , " jk.dasgupta "

> > > > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear RRji,

> > > > >

> > > > > What Niket is talking, I think is the path of getting

moksha.

> > In

> > > > kaliyuga

> > > > > real bhakti is rare and moksha is very difficult.

> > > > >

> > > > > Kaliyuga is ruled by Rahu and in this yuga only rules laid

by

> > Sri

> > > > Krishna,

> > > > > in Mahabharata and Geeta will pull us out from the

sufferings

> > > > injected by

> > > > > Rahu - the Kaal naaga. Who else other that Sri Krishan can

> > > control

> > > > the

> > > > > dangerous sarpa called Kaaliya?

> > > > >

> > > > > Who comes to an astrologer if he is not suffering in this

> life?

> > > He

> > > > who is

> > > > > enjoying or passing through a good time, has no time to

visit

> > an

> > > > astrologer.

> > > > > He who is in the path of moksha, does not require an

> > astrologer -

> > > as

> > > > > tomorrow has no meaning for them.

> > > > >

> > > > > Many people come to me asking " when I can get moksha? " .

This

> > > > question points

> > > > > towards their frustation in life. My simple answer to them

> > always

> > > > is - one

> > > > > should never try to run away from the sufferings of this

> life,

> > > > rectify it

> > > > > properly, complete the bhogas in totality whether good or

> bad.

> > > > Moksha will

> > > > > come in its own course.

> > > > >

> > > > > Let us be honest and accept that, we are all bhogis and we

> all

> > > > aspire for

> > > > > prosperity and happiness in this life, including myself :-

).

> We

> > > all

> > > > aspire

> > > > > for bhogas of Rahu.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > >

> > > > > Jk

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > On Behalf Of

> > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > Friday, January 02, 2009 9:47 AM

> > > > >

> > > > > Re: All is Maya -

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Niket-ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > The " crazy madman " -- as Aadarniya Sunil ji chose to call

me

> > > > > recently -- disagrees!

> > > > >

> > > > > Even Tapa and Saadhanaa require FAITH! In the Teacher and

> the

> > > > > Teaching of the Ritual!

> > > > >

> > > > > Even " experimentation " and 'improvisation', the next

step,

> of

> > > what

> > > > > was learned through a Guru requires Faith! Faith in

oneself

> > and

> > > > one's

> > > > > learning. Often miscomprehended by critics as " EGO " --

all

> it

> > > > > represents really is a personal resolve that says, 'I

have

> > > chosen

> > > > the

> > > > > path and taken the first step; now may the destination

> teach

> > me

> > > > how

> > > > > to proceed!'

> > > > >

> > > > > So there is really ONE option and one path! :-)

> > > > >

> > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > >

> > > > > , " astroiniket "

> > > > > <nakshtraniket@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yes dear Prashantji, as i have already posted in my

> > privious

> > > > posts

> > > > > > few months back :

> > > > > >

> > > > > > if one want to achive his target their are only 2 ways.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1. first is Tapa or Sadhna in which 100% proces +

> Knowledge

> > +

> > > > Focus

> > > > > +

> > > > > > System + Method Required and it is based on Mantra -

doer

> > > will

> > > > get

> > > > > > 100% sure Results as wanted, no value of Faith here.

> becoz

> > > here

> > > > > > system is working.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2. Second path is Bhakti: nothing is required, only

> > > > unconditional

> > > > > > love and 100% devotion, Blind faith, Required, and the

> > Person

> > > > must

> > > > > be

> > > > > > able to give desired things to others.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > the diffrence is on first way you get what you want,

BUT

> on

> > > > second

> > > > > > path you get all withoust asking, even more then that,

as

> > > well

> > > > as

> > > > > you

> > > > > > also able to give desired things to Others. you got

> powers

> > of

> > > > > > almighty.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Choice is ours, First way is Easy for those who have

> strong

> > > will

> > > > > > power, and fire to achive their worldly things.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Second Path is not easy - not at all............it

needs

> > lot

> > > of

> > > > > > things which we can do but do not want to do. the

problem

> > is

> > > our

> > > > > > knowledge here, our own mind, our thoughts, our

> > selfishness,

> > > we

> > > > do

> > > > > > not want to see almighty in all.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > simple thing :

> > > > > >

> > > > > > when you cant love by heart n soul to those whom you

can

> > see

> > > and

> > > > > you

> > > > > > live with.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Then how can you Love to whom , which you never seen.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > if you are able to love all by heart, then only you can

> > clear

> > > > Prep

> > > > > or

> > > > > > KG of Bhakti Marga.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rest ALL is MAYA.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > OM GYANINAMAPI CHETANSI DEVI BHAGVATI HI SA

> > > > > > BALADAKRASHYA MOHAY MAHAMAYA PRAYACHATI.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards

> > > > > > Niket

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Prashant Kumar

G

> B

> > > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Nikit, Raja

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > well all the points covered here can be split into a

> few

> > > parts

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > just like a good analysis, diagnosis and treatment

has

> > its

> > > own

> > > > > > desired results

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > so too a Mantra invokation, recitation will help in

> much

> > > > better

> > > > > way

> > > > > > if it coming from a elderly person a GURU, or one of

tohe

> > two

> > > > > parents

> > > > > > done in the prescribed manner.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Bhakti has its own dimension where it is unqualified

> > > devotion,

> > > > > > irrespective of the challenges ones faith is steadfast

and

> > > > > > unwavering, the toad is rough but the DESTINATION is a

> > > beautiful

> > > > > one

> > > > > > if we See Dhruva, Markendaya, Prahalada, Hanuman,

> > > Annamacharya ,

> > > > > > Tyagaraja, Kabir, Tulsidas, Basaeshwara, Gnaneshwara,

> Sant

> > > > Govind

> > > > > > singh, Sri ramakrishna, Swami Vivekananda, Chaitanya

> > prabhu,

> > > > ramana

> > > > > > Mahirishi and a the list is endless.. there is merit in

> > every

> > > > case.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Best wishes

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > prashant

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > > astroiniket <nakshtraniket@>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thursday, January 1, 2009 2:32:47 PM

> > > > > > > Re: swaha - why i am not agree

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > dear friends do not include Bhakti in my saying.

> > excluding

> > > > that :

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > as you are taking med, you have faith in med or not -

> no

> > > > matter -

> > > > > > if

> > > > > > > med is strong - and rightly prescribed - and

diagnosed -

>

> > > you

> > > > must

> > > > > > see

> > > > > > > or feel effect of med.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > same Mantras : if you follow Perfect process, you

have

> > > faith

> > > > or

> > > > > > not -

> > > > > > > no matter - your - (Selection of Mantra + process of

> > Mantra

> > > +

> > > > > > > Materiel + strong will+ focus on target) must give

you

> > > desired

> > > > > > result.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am agree one must need a guru to understand and

> perform

> > > all

> > > > > this.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > BUT

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > up to a certain level - horoscope - Grah (planets) -

> > > > nakshtras -

> > > > > > > knowledge - mantras - yantras - tantra is identified

> but

> > > > their is

> > > > > > one

> > > > > > > more level beyond this level " Where all these things

> does

> > > not

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > any value - that is Bhakti. "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > in Bhakti nothing is required - Only unconditional

> love -

> > > > rest is

> > > > > > > Headache of almighty and belief me you never feel any

> > need

> > > to

> > > > ask

> > > > > > any

> > > > > > > thing. all will be taken care. and you will get all

> > without

> > > > doing

> > > > > > any

> > > > > > > thing.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > as shree Hanuman Got ashirwad from Maa " Ajar, Amar,

> Gun

> > > > Nidhi,

> > > > > Sut

> > > > > > > tum Hoyu " ( o my sun you will be sea of all Gunas,

> > Siddhis,

> > > > > Nidhis,

> > > > > > > all type of wealth, you will be immortal, you never

be

> > old,

> > > > you

> > > > > > will

> > > > > > > be beyond time and it's control and effects) and see

> Lord

> > > > hanuman

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > able to give any thing. a lot of can be said. but all

> > these

> > > > > things

> > > > > > > can be written in words.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > rgds

> > > > > > > Niket

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " Raja "

> > > > <desi.raja@ ..>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I stand corrected. Case studies i assume can be as

> > > > emipirical

> > > > > > proof

> > > > > > > > as any scientific verification. I was just

attempting

> to

> > > > > balance

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > arguments.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > @ .

> com, " astroiniket "

> > > > > > > > <nakshtraniket@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > dear Raja,

> > > > > > > > > in what context you are asking to prove ? what

you

> > want

> > > to

> > > > > > > verify ?

> > > > > > > > > pls clear dot points.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > rgds

> > > > > > > > > Niker

> > > > > > > > > , " Raja "

> > > > > <desi.raja@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > see , what you two have been discussing is

> > theoritical

> > > > > > science

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > no way it can empirically be verified hence

there

> > is

> > > no

> > > > way

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > proving who is right and who is not. Different

> mind

> > > has

> > > > > > > diffrent

> > > > > > > > > > theories and it very well may lead to a single

> > > ultimate

> > > > > > > > destination

> > > > > > > > > > but how do we verify as no such method exist to

> > > verify.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > fascinating. I am glad that i joined this group.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > @ .

> > > com, " jk.dasgupta "

> > > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I fully agree with you :-)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Jk

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > []On

> > > Behalf

> > > > Of

> > > > > > > > astroiniket

> > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, January 01, 2009 12:28 PM

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Re: swaha - why i am not agree

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > my dear friend - some time knowledge is door

of

> > > Haven,

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > it is door of Hell. Depends.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > as almighty is concern - no knowledge is

> > required.

> > > as

> > > > > > world

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > concern a lot of knowledge is also very very

> less.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > kind regards

> > > > > > > > > > > Niket

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > @ .

> > > > com, " jk.dasgupta "

> > > > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I think Parashara and Neelakantha knows

> better

> > > than

> > > > > us.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > What you are telling is perfectly alright -

> when

> > > > > doing

> > > > > > > puja

> > > > > > > > > > without

> > > > > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > > > vasana and just for spiritual progress. But

> when

> > > > > > material

> > > > > > > > > > progress

> > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > required, rules are different.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > In your other mail you have mentioned that

> you

> > > have

> > > > > all

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > books.

> > > > > > > > > > > Then you

> > > > > > > > > > > > must be knowing more than me. I do not have

> > those

> > > > > > books,

> > > > > > > > nor

> > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sanskrit. I only follow my Guru's words.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > What you have mentioned about Dr. Srimali

is

> > your

> > > > > > > personal

> > > > > > > > > > openion.

> > > > > > > > > > > I do not

> > > > > > > > > > > > agree with it. I know him personally and

got

> > > > benefits.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I also do not follow the ideas

of

> his

> > > > > family

> > > > > > > > > members

> > > > > > > > > > > holding the

> > > > > > > > > > > > reign. It is also my personal openion.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Jk

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > []

On

> > > Behalf

> > > > > Of

> > > > > > > > > > astroiniket

> > > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, January 01, 2009 12:02 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Re: swaha - why i am not agree

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > dear sir,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 1. " When you add OM, all doshas of the

mantra

> is

> > > > > > removed. "

> > > > > > > > > > > > sir prefixing of Om cant remove any dosha

of

> any

> > > > > mantra

> > > > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > 32

> > > > > > > > > > > > dosha in mantra - which only can be removed

> by

> > > doing

> > > > > > > perfect

> > > > > > > > > > > vidhana.

> > > > > > > > > > > > may see shloka in rgveda " asya mantrani

karkam

> > > > > > devhelnat " .

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 2. None of diety (form of almighty) is not

> > bound

> > > > only

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > planets.

> > > > > > > > > > > > as lord Hanuman was born on Tuesday so

people

> > > > > consider

> > > > > > > him

> > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > Mars, and few people consider Lord Kartikey

> > also

> > > > lord

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > Mars.

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > actual it is nothing to do with Mars. Mars

> > > consider

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > Bhumiputra

> > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > govern by self. Mars is self demi diety.

see

> > > > refrence

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > samveda " nanvatenya angaraka bhumiputro

> shivasya

> > > > > > > > saranchanam,

> > > > > > > > > > tsya

> > > > > > > > > > > > alokya...... may read full in original " .

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 3. All mantras have their own nature, yes

> agni

> > > Beez

> > > > > > > mantra

> > > > > > > > > cant

> > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > used with Jala Beez Mantra, but it can be

> used

> > > when

> > > > > > Prana

> > > > > > > > > > > pratishtha

> > > > > > > > > > > > is needed for any mantra.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 4. whom to worship for what - one has to

> > worship

> > > > only

> > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > form

> > > > > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > > one is his / her Ishta Devi or Devta. may

be

> > > saakar

> > > > > > rupa

> > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > nirakaar

> > > > > > > > > > > > rupa.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > their is nothing which your Ishta Dev or

Devi

> > cant

> > > > > give

> > > > > > > > you,

> > > > > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > leave your Isht and run here n their it

means

> > you

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > > doubt

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > or her powers, kindly remember Almighty is

> only

> > > one,

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > > forms.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Rama or krishna or hanuman or shakti or

> ganesha

> > or

> > > > > any

> > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > forms of one only one The Suprem

Personality

> The

> > > > > > Almighty

> > > > > > > > God.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > if one falls in Mantra then must know

complete

> > > > > Vidhana,

> > > > > > > > > > otherwise

> > > > > > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > > > > just simple Prayer, Prayer is one of the

most

> > > > > Powerful

> > > > > > > tool

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > hand

> > > > > > > > > > > > of Human beings, Their all billions of

people

> > who

> > > > > even

> > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > > > > any Mantra, who even does not know Rama or

> > > Krishna,

> > > > > > they

> > > > > > > > > worship

> > > > > > > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > > > > almighty in other Form/s. most of people do

> only

> > > > > prayer

> > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > earth.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > This all things only on your belief, what

> ever

> > you

> > > > > > > belief,

> > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > comes

> > > > > > > > > > > > in same reply.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > in end - ANY ONE WHO TAKE ALMIGHTY'S NAME -

> ANY

> > > > NAME -

> > > > >

> > > > > > OR

> > > > > > > > > PRAY

> > > > > > > > > > IN

> > > > > > > > > > > ANY

> > > > > > > > > > > > LANGUAGE OR FROM - MUST BLESSED.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > THEIR IS NO END OF DEBAIT, IT ALL MANTRA

> YANTRA

> > > ALL

> > > > > > THESE

> > > > > > > > ARE

> > > > > > > > > > > BELIEFE

> > > > > > > > > > > > BASED ON ASTI OR NASTI ONLY.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > WORSHIP OF ALMIGHTY DOES NOT NEED ANY

THING,

> NO

> > > > > MANTRA

> > > > > > OR

> > > > > > > > > YANTRA

> > > > > > > > > > > IS

> > > > > > > > > > > > NEEDED - WHEN YOU CALL HIM BY YOUR HEART

AND

> > SOUL

> > > IN

> > > > > ANY

> > > > > > > > > > > LANGUAGE -

> > > > > > > > > > > > ALLWAYS ANSWERED - THE ONLY CONDITION YOU

> MUST

> > BE

> > > > > > CLEAN,

> > > > > > > > > CLEAR,

> > > > > > > > > > > PURE,

> > > > > > > > > > > > THEN ONLY REPLY WILL COME VERY FAST

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > (EXAMPLE : when you boil water , if water

is

> > > clean,

> > > > > > > clear,

> > > > > > > > > pure

> > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > take few minutes to boil, BUT if water is

too

> > mudy

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > impure

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > mix

> > > > > > > > > > > > of dirt or other things, it take long time

to

> > get

> > > > > > boiled)

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Soul is like water, if it is clean , clear,

> > pure,

> > > > > your

> > > > > > > > prayer

> > > > > > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > > > > > reply fast, but if it is not clean, clear,

> pure,

> > > > > Reply

> > > > > > > must

> > > > > > > > > come

> > > > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > it will take it own time.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > By just chanting His/ Her name with

> > unconditional

> > > > > love

> > > > > > > > > without

> > > > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > > > Vidhana, will clear your all karmas, your

all

> > > > > impurity

> > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > fast

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > you will be blessed.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Even Though people want to Proseed Mantras

> then

> > > they

> > > > > > Must

> > > > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > > > about Mantra.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > Niket

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > @ .

> > > > > com, " jk.dasgupta "

> > > > > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raja,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > When you add OM, all doshas of the mantra

is

> > > > > removed.

> > > > > > > > Else

> > > > > > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > > > > > are some

> > > > > > > > > > > > > perticular methods to match the mantra

with

> > the

> > > > > > native.

> > > > > > > > > Else

> > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > > creat

> > > > > > > > > > > > > havoc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you know if Lord Hanuman is at all

> > > > > interested

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > protecting

> > > > > > > > > > > > you? Lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hanuman is represented by Mars. It all

> > depends

> > > > upon

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > placement

> > > > > > > > > > > > of Mars in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > your chart. I know one case, where Mars

was

> > in

> > > 5H

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > started

> > > > > > > > > > > > chanting

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hanuman mantra. His home started

trembling.

> > Why?

> > > > > > > because

> > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > is maraka

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of the 12th house from it. 12th from 5th

is

> > 4th

> > > > > house

> > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > jala

> > > > > > > > > > > > tattwa.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > And tattwa of Mars is agni. So you can

> > > understand

> > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > > happened.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Either agni

> > > > > > > > > > > > > will get finished or jala will get

finished.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > There are more things. You want

protection

> > from

> > > > > > > shatrus.

> > > > > > > > > None

> > > > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > > do it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > except your Palana Devata. It is denoted

by

> > the

> > > > 6th

> > > > > > > > planet

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > 6th lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > (if there is no planet) from Chara Amatma

> > > Karaka

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > Navamsa.

> > > > > > > > > > > Also,

> > > > > > > > > > > > If any

> > > > > > > > > > > > > planet is sitting in 5th hose in rashi,

> that

> > has

> > > > > got

> > > > > > > > power

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > make

> > > > > > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > > > > dance - specially so, if it is in

dusthana

> > from

> > > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > > lord.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > If you want spiritual progress, it is

your

> > Ista

> > > > who

> > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > help.

> > > > > > > > > > > Ista

> > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > denoted by the planet in 12th House or

the

> > 12th

> > > > > lord

> > > > > > > (if

> > > > > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > > > > planet) from Chara Atma karaka. Which

planet

> > > > > denotes

> > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > diety are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > explained in BPHS and Prashna Margam.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > So you see, that it is not necessary that

> > your

> > > > wish

> > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > fullfilled by

> > > > > > > > > > > > > just reciting a mantra. I know one case,

by

> > > > > reciting

> > > > > > > ari-

> > > > > > > > > > mantra,

> > > > > > > > > > > > one lost

> > > > > > > > > > > > > his only son. All these are to be seen

while

> > > > > > selecting

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > mantra

> > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > person. These are all knowledges

available

> in

> > > > > > > paramparas

> > > > > > > > > only.

> > > > > > > > > > > Pt.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sanjay

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Rath - in his book " Vedic Remedies in

> > Astrology "

> > > > > has

> > > > > > > > brought

> > > > > > > > > > > out in

> > > > > > > > > > > > clarity.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > So it is always better to recite the

> > prashiddha

> > > > > > > mantras,

> > > > > > > > > > unless

> > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > > > > > > proper guidance. I will try to make a

brief

> > > write

> > > > > up

> > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > mantra,

> > > > > > > > > > > > different

> > > > > > > > > > > > > types and how to understand the effect of

> any

> > > > > > > perticular

> > > > > > > > > > mantra

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > post it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > in the list - whenever i find some time

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > [@ .

com]

> On

> > > > > Behalf

> > > > > > Of

> > > > > > > Raja

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, January 01, 2009 7:57 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: swaha

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dasguptaji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > i dont understand. This is a hanuman

mantra

> > > > > supposed

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > protect

> > > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > shatrus or rog etc so why do i have to be

> > > > carefull?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you stating that it is doing opposite

> > than

> > > > what

> > > > > i

> > > > > > am

> > > > > > > > > > > thinking

> > > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > should?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > If i remove OM from it, it becomes 5

word,

> > does

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > mean

> > > > > > > > > it'd

> > > > > > > > > > > > > strengthen lagna from 5th house?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > please shed some light.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > raja

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > @ .

> > > > > > com, " jk.dasgupta "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, but be carefull what you want.

This

> is

> > a

> > > 6

> > > > > > words

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > 13

> > > > > > > > > > > > letter

> > > > > > > > > > > > > mantra.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > That means it will draw energy from your

> > > > > > shatrubhava

> > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > rogabhava

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and give

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > result on yr lagna.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > [@ .

> com]

> > On

> > > > > > Behalf Of

> > > > > > > > Raja

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, December 31, 2008 1:52

PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: swaha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > so is it ok to chant swaha mantra i.e..

> om

> > > shri

> > > > > > hari

> > > > > > > > > > markatam

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > markatay swaha... without any homam

> ahuti..?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ .

> > > > > > com, " jk.dasgupta "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raja,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swaha and Swadha are two wives of

Agni.

> > > Swaha

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > generalyy

> > > > > > > > > > > > used

> > > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > offering

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something to Devas or in homams and

> > Swadha

> > > is

> > > > > > used

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > sraddha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > karmas for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pittris.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now there are many types of mantras.

> Two

> > are

> > > > > > main,

> > > > > > > i.e

> > > > > > > > > > > `Namah'

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > mantras where

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > `Namah' is used at the end. These

types

> of

> > > > > > mantras

> > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > surrender to the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord. But mantras ending with `Swaha'

> are

> > > > > > somewhat

> > > > > > > > > forcing

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Devata to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > grant the result.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So `Namah' mantras are always better -

 

> as

> > > the

> > > > > > Lord

> > > > > > > > knows

> > > > > > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > best

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suitable for us.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ .

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [@

.

> > com]

> > > On

> > > > > > Behalf

> > > > > > > Of

> > > > > > > > > Raja

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, December 31, 2008

> 12:19

> > PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > swaha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many mantras have " swaha " at the end

of

> > > them.

> > > > I

> > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > read

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > seen

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > during havana also that these kind of

> > mantra

> > > > > > > > > > requires " homa "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > (i.e..

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some sort of havan ahuti) while

> chanting

> > yet

> > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > mantras

> > > > > > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > seen

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are chanted with swaha on day to day

> basis

> > > > > where

> > > > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > havan. I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wanted to ask learned ones' opinion

> about

> > > this

> > > > > > > matter.

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well kaliyug is ruled by Rahu means it is also supported ruled by

ketu which is giver of moksha isn't it?

 

, " jk.dasgupta "

<jk.dasgupta wrote:

>

> Dear RRji,

>

> What Niket is talking, I think is the path of getting moksha. In

kaliyuga

> real bhakti is rare and moksha is very difficult.

>

> Kaliyuga is ruled by Rahu and in this yuga only rules laid by Sri

Krishna,

> in Mahabharata and Geeta will pull us out from the sufferings

injected by

> Rahu - the Kaal naaga. Who else other that Sri Krishan can control

the

> dangerous sarpa called Kaaliya?

>

> Who comes to an astrologer if he is not suffering in this life? He

who is

> enjoying or passing through a good time, has no time to visit an

astrologer.

> He who is in the path of moksha, does not require an astrologer - as

> tomorrow has no meaning for them.

>

> Many people come to me asking " when I can get moksha? " . This

question points

> towards their frustation in life. My simple answer to them always

is - one

> should never try to run away from the sufferings of this life,

rectify it

> properly, complete the bhogas in totality whether good or bad.

Moksha will

> come in its own course.

>

> Let us be honest and accept that, we are all bhogis and we all

aspire for

> prosperity and happiness in this life, including myself :-). We all

aspire

> for bhogas of Rahu.

>

> Regards

>

> Jk

>

>

>

>

> On Behalf Of Rohiniranjan

> Friday, January 02, 2009 9:47 AM

>

> Re: All is Maya -

>

>

> Dear Niket-ji,

>

> The " crazy madman " -- as Aadarniya Sunil ji chose to call me

> recently -- disagrees!

>

> Even Tapa and Saadhanaa require FAITH! In the Teacher and the

> Teaching of the Ritual!

>

> Even " experimentation " and 'improvisation', the next step, of what

> was learned through a Guru requires Faith! Faith in oneself and

one's

> learning. Often miscomprehended by critics as " EGO " -- all it

> represents really is a personal resolve that says, 'I have chosen

the

> path and taken the first step; now may the destination teach me

how

> to proceed!'

>

> So there is really ONE option and one path! :-)

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , " astroiniket "

> <nakshtraniket@> wrote:

> >

> > Yes dear Prashantji, as i have already posted in my privious

posts

> > few months back :

> >

> > if one want to achive his target their are only 2 ways.

> >

> > 1. first is Tapa or Sadhna in which 100% proces + Knowledge +

Focus

> +

> > System + Method Required and it is based on Mantra - doer will

get

> > 100% sure Results as wanted, no value of Faith here. becoz here

> > system is working.

> >

> >

> > 2. Second path is Bhakti: nothing is required, only

unconditional

> > love and 100% devotion, Blind faith, Required, and the Person

must

> be

> > able to give desired things to others.

> >

> >

> > the diffrence is on first way you get what you want, BUT on

second

> > path you get all withoust asking, even more then that, as well

as

> you

> > also able to give desired things to Others. you got powers of

> > almighty.

> >

> >

> > Choice is ours, First way is Easy for those who have strong will

> > power, and fire to achive their worldly things.

> >

> >

> > Second Path is not easy - not at all............it needs lot of

> > things which we can do but do not want to do. the problem is our

> > knowledge here, our own mind, our thoughts, our selfishness, we

do

> > not want to see almighty in all.

> >

> > simple thing :

> >

> > when you cant love by heart n soul to those whom you can see and

> you

> > live with.

> >

> > Then how can you Love to whom , which you never seen.

> >

> > if you are able to love all by heart, then only you can clear

Prep

> or

> > KG of Bhakti Marga.

> >

> >

> > Rest ALL is MAYA.

> >

> > OM GYANINAMAPI CHETANSI DEVI BHAGVATI HI SA

> > BALADAKRASHYA MOHAY MAHAMAYA PRAYACHATI.

> >

> >

> > regards

> > Niket

> >

> >

> > , Prashant Kumar G B

> > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Nikit, Raja

> > >

> > > well all the points covered here can be split into a few parts

> > >

> > > just like a good analysis, diagnosis and treatment has its own

> > desired results

> > >

> > > so too a Mantra invokation, recitation will help in much

better

> way

> > if it coming from a elderly person a GURU, or one of tohe two

> parents

> > done in the prescribed manner.

> > >

> > > Bhakti has its own dimension where it is unqualified devotion,

> > irrespective of the challenges ones faith is steadfast and

> > unwavering, the toad is rough but the DESTINATION is a beautiful

> one

> > if we See Dhruva, Markendaya, Prahalada, Hanuman, Annamacharya ,

> > Tyagaraja, Kabir, Tulsidas, Basaeshwara, Gnaneshwara, Sant

Govind

> > singh, Sri ramakrishna, Swami Vivekananda, Chaitanya prabhu,

ramana

> > Mahirishi and a the list is endless.. there is merit in every

case.

> > >

> > > Best wishes

> > >

> > > prashant

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > astroiniket <nakshtraniket@>

> > >

> > > Thursday, January 1, 2009 2:32:47 PM

> > > Re: swaha - why i am not agree

> > >

> > >

> > > dear friends do not include Bhakti in my saying. excluding

that :

> > >

> > > as you are taking med, you have faith in med or not - no

matter -

> > if

> > > med is strong - and rightly prescribed - and diagnosed - you

must

> > see

> > > or feel effect of med.

> > >

> > > same Mantras : if you follow Perfect process, you have faith

or

> > not -

> > > no matter - your - (Selection of Mantra + process of Mantra +

> > > Materiel + strong will+ focus on target) must give you desired

> > result.

> > >

> > > I am agree one must need a guru to understand and perform all

> this.

> > >

> > > BUT

> > >

> > > up to a certain level - horoscope - Grah (planets) -

nakshtras -

> > > knowledge - mantras - yantras - tantra is identified but

their is

> > one

> > > more level beyond this level " Where all these things does not

> have

> > > any value - that is Bhakti. "

> > >

> > > in Bhakti nothing is required - Only unconditional love -

rest is

> > > Headache of almighty and belief me you never feel any need to

ask

> > any

> > > thing. all will be taken care. and you will get all without

doing

> > any

> > > thing.

> > >

> > > as shree Hanuman Got ashirwad from Maa " Ajar, Amar, Gun

Nidhi,

> Sut

> > > tum Hoyu " ( o my sun you will be sea of all Gunas, Siddhis,

> Nidhis,

> > > all type of wealth, you will be immortal, you never be old,

you

> > will

> > > be beyond time and it's control and effects) and see Lord

hanuman

> > is

> > > able to give any thing. a lot of can be said. but all these

> things

> > > can be written in words.

> > >

> > > rgds

> > > Niket

> > >

> > > , " Raja "

<desi.raja@ ..>

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > I stand corrected. Case studies i assume can be as

emipirical

> > proof

> > > > as any scientific verification. I was just attempting to

> balance

> > > the

> > > > arguments.

> > > >

> > > > , " astroiniket "

> > > > <nakshtraniket@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > dear Raja,

> > > > > in what context you are asking to prove ? what you want to

> > > verify ?

> > > > > pls clear dot points.

> > > > >

> > > > > rgds

> > > > > Niker

> > > > > , " Raja "

> <desi.raja@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > see , what you two have been discussing is theoritical

> > science

> > > > and

> > > > > in

> > > > > > no way it can empirically be verified hence there is no

way

> > for

> > > > > > proving who is right and who is not. Different mind has

> > > diffrent

> > > > > > theories and it very well may lead to a single ultimate

> > > > destination

> > > > > > but how do we verify as no such method exist to verify.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > fascinating. I am glad that i joined this group.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " jk.dasgupta "

> > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I fully agree with you :-)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Jk

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > []On Behalf

Of

> > > > astroiniket

> > > > > > > Thursday, January 01, 2009 12:28 PM

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Re: swaha - why i am not agree

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > my dear friend - some time knowledge is door of Haven,

> > and

> > > > some

> > > > > > time

> > > > > > > it is door of Hell. Depends.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > as almighty is concern - no knowledge is required. as

> > world

> > > is

> > > > > > > concern a lot of knowledge is also very very less.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > kind regards

> > > > > > > Niket

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > @ .

com, " jk.dasgupta "

> > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I think Parashara and Neelakantha knows better than

> us.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > What you are telling is perfectly alright - when

> doing

> > > puja

> > > > > > without

> > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > vasana and just for spiritual progress. But when

> > material

> > > > > > progress

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > required, rules are different.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In your other mail you have mentioned that you have

> all

> > > the

> > > > > > books.

> > > > > > > Then you

> > > > > > > > must be knowing more than me. I do not have those

> > books,

> > > > nor

> > > > > I

> > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > Sanskrit. I only follow my Guru's words.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > What you have mentioned about Dr. Srimali is your

> > > personal

> > > > > > openion.

> > > > > > > I do not

> > > > > > > > agree with it. I know him personally and got

benefits.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Of course, I also do not follow the ideas of his

> family

> > > > > members

> > > > > > > holding the

> > > > > > > > reign. It is also my personal openion.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Jk

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > []On Behalf

> Of

> > > > > > astroiniket

> > > > > > > > Thursday, January 01, 2009 12:02 PM

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Re: swaha - why i am not agree

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > dear sir,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 1. " When you add OM, all doshas of the mantra is

> > removed. "

> > > > > > > > sir prefixing of Om cant remove any dosha of any

> mantra

> > > > there

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > 32

> > > > > > > > dosha in mantra - which only can be removed by doing

> > > perfect

> > > > > > > vidhana.

> > > > > > > > may see shloka in rgveda " asya mantrani karkam

> > devhelnat " .

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2. None of diety (form of almighty) is not bound

only

> > with

> > > > > > > planets.

> > > > > > > > as lord Hanuman was born on Tuesday so people

> consider

> > > him

> > > > > lord

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > Mars, and few people consider Lord Kartikey also

lord

> > of

> > > > > Mars.

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > actual it is nothing to do with Mars. Mars consider

> as

> > > > > > Bhumiputra

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > govern by self. Mars is self demi diety. see

refrence

> in

> > > > > > > > samveda " nanvatenya angaraka bhumiputro shivasya

> > > > saranchanam,

> > > > > > tsya

> > > > > > > > alokya...... may read full in original " .

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 3. All mantras have their own nature, yes agni Beez

> > > mantra

> > > > > cant

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > used with Jala Beez Mantra, but it can be used when

> > Prana

> > > > > > > pratishtha

> > > > > > > > is needed for any mantra.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 4. whom to worship for what - one has to worship

only

> > one

> > > > form

> > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > one is his / her Ishta Devi or Devta. may be saakar

> > rupa

> > > or

> > > > > > > nirakaar

> > > > > > > > rupa.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > their is nothing which your Ishta Dev or Devi cant

> give

> > > > you,

> > > > > > when

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > leave your Isht and run here n their it means you

> have

> > > > doubt

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > or her powers, kindly remember Almighty is only one,

> > have

> > > > all

> > > > > > > forms.

> > > > > > > > Rama or krishna or hanuman or shakti or ganesha or

> any

> > > one

> > > > > all

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > forms of one only one The Suprem Personality The

> > Almighty

> > > > God.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > if one falls in Mantra then must know complete

> Vidhana,

> > > > > > otherwise

> > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > just simple Prayer, Prayer is one of the most

> Powerful

> > > tool

> > > > in

> > > > > > > hand

> > > > > > > > of Human beings, Their all billions of people who

> even

> > > does

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > any Mantra, who even does not know Rama or Krishna,

> > they

> > > > > worship

> > > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > almighty in other Form/s. most of people do only

> prayer

> > > on

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > earth.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This all things only on your belief, what ever you

> > > belief,

> > > > it

> > > > > > > comes

> > > > > > > > in same reply.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > in end - ANY ONE WHO TAKE ALMIGHTY'S NAME - ANY

NAME -

>

> > OR

> > > > > PRAY

> > > > > > IN

> > > > > > > ANY

> > > > > > > > LANGUAGE OR FROM - MUST BLESSED.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > THEIR IS NO END OF DEBAIT, IT ALL MANTRA YANTRA ALL

> > THESE

> > > > ARE

> > > > > > > BELIEFE

> > > > > > > > BASED ON ASTI OR NASTI ONLY.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > WORSHIP OF ALMIGHTY DOES NOT NEED ANY THING, NO

> MANTRA

> > OR

> > > > > YANTRA

> > > > > > > IS

> > > > > > > > NEEDED - WHEN YOU CALL HIM BY YOUR HEART AND SOUL IN

> ANY

> > > > > > > LANGUAGE -

> > > > > > > > ALLWAYS ANSWERED - THE ONLY CONDITION YOU MUST BE

> > CLEAN,

> > > > > CLEAR,

> > > > > > > PURE,

> > > > > > > > THEN ONLY REPLY WILL COME VERY FAST

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > (EXAMPLE : when you boil water , if water is clean,

> > > clear,

> > > > > pure

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > take few minutes to boil, BUT if water is too mudy

> and

> > > > impure

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > mix

> > > > > > > > of dirt or other things, it take long time to get

> > boiled)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Soul is like water, if it is clean , clear, pure,

> your

> > > > prayer

> > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > reply fast, but if it is not clean, clear, pure,

> Reply

> > > must

> > > > > come

> > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > it will take it own time.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > By just chanting His/ Her name with unconditional

> love

> > > > > without

> > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > Vidhana, will clear your all karmas, your all

> impurity

> > > very

> > > > > fast

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > you will be blessed.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Even Though people want to Proseed Mantras then they

> > Must

> > > > > know

> > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > about Mantra.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > > Niket

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > @ .

> com, " jk.dasgupta "

> > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Raja,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > When you add OM, all doshas of the mantra is

> removed.

> > > > Else

> > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > are some

> > > > > > > > > perticular methods to match the mantra with the

> > native.

> > > > > Else

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > creat

> > > > > > > > > havoc.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > How do you know if Lord Hanuman is at all

> interested

> > in

> > > > > > > protecting

> > > > > > > > you? Lord

> > > > > > > > > Hanuman is represented by Mars. It all depends

upon

> > the

> > > > > > > placement

> > > > > > > > of Mars in

> > > > > > > > > your chart. I know one case, where Mars was in 5H

> and

> > > he

> > > > > > started

> > > > > > > > chanting

> > > > > > > > > Hanuman mantra. His home started trembling. Why?

> > > because

> > > > any

> > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > is maraka

> > > > > > > > > of the 12th house from it. 12th from 5th is 4th

> house

> > > > which

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > jala

> > > > > > > > tattwa.

> > > > > > > > > And tattwa of Mars is agni. So you can understand

> > what

> > > > > > happened.

> > > > > > > > Either agni

> > > > > > > > > will get finished or jala will get finished.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > There are more things. You want protection from

> > > shatrus.

> > > > > None

> > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > do it

> > > > > > > > > except your Palana Devata. It is denoted by the

6th

> > > > planet

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > 6th lord

> > > > > > > > > (if there is no planet) from Chara Amatma Karaka

in

> > > > Navamsa.

> > > > > > > Also,

> > > > > > > > If any

> > > > > > > > > planet is sitting in 5th hose in rashi, that has

> got

> > > > power

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > make

> > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > dance - specially so, if it is in dusthana from

> Lagna

> > > > lord.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If you want spiritual progress, it is your Ista

who

> > > will

> > > > > help.

> > > > > > > Ista

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > denoted by the planet in 12th House or the 12th

> lord

> > > (if

> > > > > there

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > planet) from Chara Atma karaka. Which planet

> denotes

> > > which

> > > > > > > diety are

> > > > > > > > > explained in BPHS and Prashna Margam.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > So you see, that it is not necessary that your

wish

> > > will

> > > > be

> > > > > > > > fullfilled by

> > > > > > > > > just reciting a mantra. I know one case, by

> reciting

> > > ari-

> > > > > > mantra,

> > > > > > > > one lost

> > > > > > > > > his only son. All these are to be seen while

> > selecting

> > > a

> > > > > > mantra

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > person. These are all knowledges available in

> > > paramparas

> > > > > only.

> > > > > > > Pt.

> > > > > > > > Sanjay

> > > > > > > > > Rath - in his book " Vedic Remedies in Astrology "

> has

> > > > brought

> > > > > > > out in

> > > > > > > > clarity.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > So it is always better to recite the prashiddha

> > > mantras,

> > > > > > unless

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > > proper guidance. I will try to make a brief write

> up

> > on

> > > > > > mantra,

> > > > > > > > different

> > > > > > > > > types and how to understand the effect of any

> > > perticular

> > > > > > mantra

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > post it

> > > > > > > > > in the list - whenever i find some time

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Jk

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > []On

> Behalf

> > Of

> > > Raja

> > > > > > > > > Thursday, January 01, 2009 7:57 AM

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Re: swaha

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dasguptaji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > i dont understand. This is a hanuman mantra

> supposed

> > to

> > > > > > protect

> > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > shatrus or rog etc so why do i have to be

carefull?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Are you stating that it is doing opposite than

what

> i

> > am

> > > > > > > thinking

> > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > should?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If i remove OM from it, it becomes 5 word, does

> that

> > > mean

> > > > > it'd

> > > > > > > > > strengthen lagna from 5th house?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > please shed some light.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > thanks,

> > > > > > > > > raja

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > @ .

> > com, " jk.dasgupta "

> > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Yes, but be carefull what you want. This is a 6

> > words

> > > > and

> > > > > 13

> > > > > > > > letter

> > > > > > > > > mantra.

> > > > > > > > > > That means it will draw energy from your

> > shatrubhava

> > > or

> > > > > > > > rogabhava

> > > > > > > > > and give

> > > > > > > > > > result on yr lagna.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Jk

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > []On

> > Behalf Of

> > > > Raja

> > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, December 31, 2008 1:52 PM

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Re: swaha

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > so is it ok to chant swaha mantra i.e.. om shri

> > hari

> > > > > > markatam

> > > > > > > > > > markatay swaha... without any homam ahuti..?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > @ .

> > com, " jk.dasgupta "

> > > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raja,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Swaha and Swadha are two wives of Agni. Swaha

> is

> > > > > generalyy

> > > > > > > > used

> > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > offering

> > > > > > > > > > > something to Devas or in homams and Swadha is

> > used

> > > in

> > > > > > > sraddha

> > > > > > > > > > karmas for

> > > > > > > > > > > Pittris.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Now there are many types of mantras. Two are

> > main,

> > > i.e

> > > > > > > `Namah'

> > > > > > > > > > mantras where

> > > > > > > > > > > `Namah' is used at the end. These types of

> > mantras

> > > > are

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > surrender to the

> > > > > > > > > > > lord. But mantras ending with `Swaha' are

> > somewhat

> > > > > forcing

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > Devata to

> > > > > > > > > > > grant the result.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > So `Namah' mantras are always better - as the

> > Lord

> > > > knows

> > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > best

> > > > > > > > > > > suitable for us.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Jk

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > []On

> > Behalf

> > > Of

> > > > > Raja

> > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, December 31, 2008 12:19 PM

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > swaha

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Many mantras have " swaha " at the end of them.

I

> > > have

> > > > > read

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > seen

> > > > > > > > > > > during havana also that these kind of mantra

> > > > > > requires " homa "

> > > > > > > > > > (i.e..

> > > > > > > > > > > some sort of havan ahuti) while chanting yet

> some

> > > > > mantras

> > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > seen

> > > > > > > > > > > are chanted with swaha on day to day basis

> where

> > > > there

> > > > > is

> > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > havan. I

> > > > > > > > > > > wanted to ask learned ones' opinion about this

> > > matter.

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, " Rohiniranjan "

<rohini_ranjan wrote:

>

> Thanks! I will wait until the remaining fishermen in our club

arrive

> and we all collectively go 'fishing'! ;-)

>

> RR

>

>

> , " girish_raheja "

> <girish_raheja@> wrote:

> >

> > Respected Rohiniranjan ji,

> >

> > Oooops !

> >

> > A small Cuban town of fishermen !

> >

> > Sorry

> >

> > With respect,

> >

> > Girish Raheja

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " Rohiniranjan "

> > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote:

> > >

> > > While I *love* your posting and admiration, the word that

really

> > > bothers me in your message is, " Village! "

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , " girish_raheja "

> > > <girish_raheja@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Respected Rohiniranjan ji,

> > > >

> > > > Do you remember Santiago ?

> > > >

> > > > The protagonist of 'Old Man and the Sea' by E. Hemingway.

> > > Santiago's

> > > > entire village considered him a 'crazy old man'

> > > >

> > > > I love and admire the Old Man; crazy or otherwise. I consider

> him

> > > an

> > > > epitome of self actualisation.

> > > >

> > > > With respect,

> > > >

> > > > Girish Raheja

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " Rohiniranjan "

> > > > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > I hope the madman did not start (=stir) another bout of 32

Hz

> > > > > activity that makes Yogis hop and levitate!

> > > > >

> > > > > Sorry!!

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > > > , " jk.dasgupta "

> > > > > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear RRji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What Niket is talking, I think is the path of getting

> moksha.

> > > In

> > > > > kaliyuga

> > > > > > real bhakti is rare and moksha is very difficult.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Kaliyuga is ruled by Rahu and in this yuga only rules

laid

> by

> > > Sri

> > > > > Krishna,

> > > > > > in Mahabharata and Geeta will pull us out from the

> sufferings

> > > > > injected by

> > > > > > Rahu - the Kaal naaga. Who else other that Sri Krishan

can

> > > > control

> > > > > the

> > > > > > dangerous sarpa called Kaaliya?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Who comes to an astrologer if he is not suffering in this

> > life?

> > > > He

> > > > > who is

> > > > > > enjoying or passing through a good time, has no time to

> visit

> > > an

> > > > > astrologer.

> > > > > > He who is in the path of moksha, does not require an

> > > astrologer -

> > > > as

> > > > > > tomorrow has no meaning for them.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Many people come to me asking " when I can get moksha? " .

> This

> > > > > question points

> > > > > > towards their frustation in life. My simple answer to

them

> > > always

> > > > > is - one

> > > > > > should never try to run away from the sufferings of this

> > life,

> > > > > rectify it

> > > > > > properly, complete the bhogas in totality whether good or

> > bad.

> > > > > Moksha will

> > > > > > come in its own course.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Let us be honest and accept that, we are all bhogis and

we

> > all

> > > > > aspire for

> > > > > > prosperity and happiness in this life, including myself :-

> ).

> > We

> > > > all

> > > > > aspire

> > > > > > for bhogas of Rahu.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Jk

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On Behalf Of

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > Friday, January 02, 2009 9:47 AM

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Re: All is Maya -

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Niket-ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The " crazy madman " -- as Aadarniya Sunil ji chose to

call

> me

> > > > > > recently -- disagrees!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Even Tapa and Saadhanaa require FAITH! In the Teacher

and

> > the

> > > > > > Teaching of the Ritual!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Even " experimentation " and 'improvisation', the next

> step,

> > of

> > > > what

> > > > > > was learned through a Guru requires Faith! Faith in

> oneself

> > > and

> > > > > one's

> > > > > > learning. Often miscomprehended by critics as " EGO " --

> all

> > it

> > > > > > represents really is a personal resolve that says, 'I

> have

> > > > chosen

> > > > > the

> > > > > > path and taken the first step; now may the destination

> > teach

> > > me

> > > > > how

> > > > > > to proceed!'

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So there is really ONE option and one path! :-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " astroiniket "

> > > > > > <nakshtraniket@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Yes dear Prashantji, as i have already posted in my

> > > privious

> > > > > posts

> > > > > > > few months back :

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > if one want to achive his target their are only 2

ways.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1. first is Tapa or Sadhna in which 100% proces +

> > Knowledge

> > > +

> > > > > Focus

> > > > > > +

> > > > > > > System + Method Required and it is based on Mantra -

> doer

> > > > will

> > > > > get

> > > > > > > 100% sure Results as wanted, no value of Faith here.

> > becoz

> > > > here

> > > > > > > system is working.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2. Second path is Bhakti: nothing is required, only

> > > > > unconditional

> > > > > > > love and 100% devotion, Blind faith, Required, and

the

> > > Person

> > > > > must

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > able to give desired things to others.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > the diffrence is on first way you get what you want,

> BUT

> > on

> > > > > second

> > > > > > > path you get all withoust asking, even more then

that,

> as

> > > > well

> > > > > as

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > also able to give desired things to Others. you got

> > powers

> > > of

> > > > > > > almighty.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Choice is ours, First way is Easy for those who have

> > strong

> > > > will

> > > > > > > power, and fire to achive their worldly things.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Second Path is not easy - not at all............it

> needs

> > > lot

> > > > of

> > > > > > > things which we can do but do not want to do. the

> problem

> > > is

> > > > our

> > > > > > > knowledge here, our own mind, our thoughts, our

> > > selfishness,

> > > > we

> > > > > do

> > > > > > > not want to see almighty in all.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > simple thing :

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > when you cant love by heart n soul to those whom you

> can

> > > see

> > > > and

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > live with.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Then how can you Love to whom , which you never seen.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > if you are able to love all by heart, then only you

can

> > > clear

> > > > > Prep

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > KG of Bhakti Marga.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Rest ALL is MAYA.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > OM GYANINAMAPI CHETANSI DEVI BHAGVATI HI SA

> > > > > > > BALADAKRASHYA MOHAY MAHAMAYA PRAYACHATI.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > Niket

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , Prashant

Kumar

> G

> > B

> > > > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Nikit, Raja

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > well all the points covered here can be split into

a

> > few

> > > > parts

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > just like a good analysis, diagnosis and treatment

> has

> > > its

> > > > own

> > > > > > > desired results

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > so too a Mantra invokation, recitation will help in

> > much

> > > > > better

> > > > > > way

> > > > > > > if it coming from a elderly person a GURU, or one of

> tohe

> > > two

> > > > > > parents

> > > > > > > done in the prescribed manner.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Bhakti has its own dimension where it is

unqualified

> > > > devotion,

> > > > > > > irrespective of the challenges ones faith is

steadfast

> and

> > > > > > > unwavering, the toad is rough but the DESTINATION is

a

> > > > beautiful

> > > > > > one

> > > > > > > if we See Dhruva, Markendaya, Prahalada, Hanuman,

> > > > Annamacharya ,

> > > > > > > Tyagaraja, Kabir, Tulsidas, Basaeshwara, Gnaneshwara,

> > Sant

> > > > > Govind

> > > > > > > singh, Sri ramakrishna, Swami Vivekananda, Chaitanya

> > > prabhu,

> > > > > ramana

> > > > > > > Mahirishi and a the list is endless.. there is merit

in

> > > every

> > > > > case.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Best wishes

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > prashant

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > > > astroiniket <nakshtraniket@>

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thursday, January 1, 2009 2:32:47 PM

> > > > > > > > Re: swaha - why i am not agree

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > dear friends do not include Bhakti in my saying.

> > > excluding

> > > > > that :

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > as you are taking med, you have faith in med or

not -

> > no

> > > > > matter -

> > > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > med is strong - and rightly prescribed - and

> diagnosed -

> >

> > > > you

> > > > > must

> > > > > > > see

> > > > > > > > or feel effect of med.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > same Mantras : if you follow Perfect process, you

> have

> > > > faith

> > > > > or

> > > > > > > not -

> > > > > > > > no matter - your - (Selection of Mantra + process

of

> > > Mantra

> > > > +

> > > > > > > > Materiel + strong will+ focus on target) must give

> you

> > > > desired

> > > > > > > result.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am agree one must need a guru to understand and

> > perform

> > > > all

> > > > > > this.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > BUT

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > up to a certain level - horoscope - Grah (planets) -

 

> > > > > nakshtras -

> > > > > > > > knowledge - mantras - yantras - tantra is

identified

> > but

> > > > > their is

> > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > more level beyond this level " Where all these

things

> > does

> > > > not

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > any value - that is Bhakti. "

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > in Bhakti nothing is required - Only unconditional

> > love -

> > > > > rest is

> > > > > > > > Headache of almighty and belief me you never feel

any

> > > need

> > > > to

> > > > > ask

> > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > thing. all will be taken care. and you will get all

> > > without

> > > > > doing

> > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > thing.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > as shree Hanuman Got ashirwad from Maa " Ajar,

Amar,

> > Gun

> > > > > Nidhi,

> > > > > > Sut

> > > > > > > > tum Hoyu " ( o my sun you will be sea of all Gunas,

> > > Siddhis,

> > > > > > Nidhis,

> > > > > > > > all type of wealth, you will be immortal, you never

> be

> > > old,

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > be beyond time and it's control and effects) and

see

> > Lord

> > > > > hanuman

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > able to give any thing. a lot of can be said. but

all

> > > these

> > > > > > things

> > > > > > > > can be written in words.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > rgds

> > > > > > > > Niket

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " Raja "

> > > > > <desi.raja@ ..>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I stand corrected. Case studies i assume can be

as

> > > > > emipirical

> > > > > > > proof

> > > > > > > > > as any scientific verification. I was just

> attempting

> > to

> > > > > > balance

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > arguments.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > @ .

> > com, " astroiniket "

> > > > > > > > > <nakshtraniket@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > dear Raja,

> > > > > > > > > > in what context you are asking to prove ? what

> you

> > > want

> > > > to

> > > > > > > > verify ?

> > > > > > > > > > pls clear dot points.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > rgds

> > > > > > > > > > Niker

> > > > > > > > > > @ .

com, " Raja "

> > > > > > <desi.raja@>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > see , what you two have been discussing is

> > > theoritical

> > > > > > > science

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > no way it can empirically be verified hence

> there

> > > is

> > > > no

> > > > > way

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > proving who is right and who is not.

Different

> > mind

> > > > has

> > > > > > > > diffrent

> > > > > > > > > > > theories and it very well may lead to a

single

> > > > ultimate

> > > > > > > > > destination

> > > > > > > > > > > but how do we verify as no such method exist

to

> > > > verify.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > fascinating. I am glad that i joined this

group.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > @ .

> > > > com, " jk.dasgupta "

> > > > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I fully agree with you :-)

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Jk

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > []

On

> > > > Behalf

> > > > > Of

> > > > > > > > > astroiniket

> > > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, January 01, 2009 12:28 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Re: swaha - why i am not agree

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > my dear friend - some time knowledge is

door

> of

> > > > Haven,

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > > it is door of Hell. Depends.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > as almighty is concern - no knowledge is

> > > required.

> > > > as

> > > > > > > world

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > concern a lot of knowledge is also very

very

> > less.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > kind regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > Niket

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > @ .

> > > > > com, " jk.dasgupta "

> > > > > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I think Parashara and Neelakantha knows

> > better

> > > > than

> > > > > > us.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > What you are telling is perfectly

alright -

> > when

> > > > > > doing

> > > > > > > > puja

> > > > > > > > > > > without

> > > > > > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > > > > vasana and just for spiritual progress.

But

> > when

> > > > > > > material

> > > > > > > > > > > progress

> > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > required, rules are different.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > In your other mail you have mentioned

that

> > you

> > > > have

> > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > books.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Then you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > must be knowing more than me. I do not

have

> > > those

> > > > > > > books,

> > > > > > > > > nor

> > > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanskrit. I only follow my Guru's words.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > What you have mentioned about Dr. Srimali

> is

> > > your

> > > > > > > > personal

> > > > > > > > > > > openion.

> > > > > > > > > > > > I do not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > agree with it. I know him personally and

> got

> > > > > benefits.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I also do not follow the ideas

> of

> > his

> > > > > > family

> > > > > > > > > > members

> > > > > > > > > > > > holding the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > reign. It is also my personal openion.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > [@ .

com]

> On

> > > > Behalf

> > > > > > Of

> > > > > > > > > > > astroiniket

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, January 01, 2009 12:02 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: swaha - why i am not

agree

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > dear sir,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. " When you add OM, all doshas of the

> mantra

> > is

> > > > > > > removed. "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > sir prefixing of Om cant remove any dosha

> of

> > any

> > > > > > mantra

> > > > > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > 32

> > > > > > > > > > > > > dosha in mantra - which only can be

removed

> > by

> > > > doing

> > > > > > > > perfect

> > > > > > > > > > > > vidhana.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > may see shloka in rgveda " asya mantrani

> karkam

> > > > > > > devhelnat " .

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. None of diety (form of almighty) is

not

> > > bound

> > > > > only

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > planets.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > as lord Hanuman was born on Tuesday so

> people

> > > > > > consider

> > > > > > > > him

> > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars, and few people consider Lord

Kartikey

> > > also

> > > > > lord

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > Mars.

> > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > actual it is nothing to do with Mars.

Mars

> > > > consider

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > Bhumiputra

> > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > govern by self. Mars is self demi diety.

> see

> > > > > refrence

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > samveda " nanvatenya angaraka bhumiputro

> > shivasya

> > > > > > > > > saranchanam,

> > > > > > > > > > > tsya

> > > > > > > > > > > > > alokya...... may read full in original " .

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. All mantras have their own nature, yes

> > agni

> > > > Beez

> > > > > > > > mantra

> > > > > > > > > > cant

> > > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > used with Jala Beez Mantra, but it can be

> > used

> > > > when

> > > > > > > Prana

> > > > > > > > > > > > pratishtha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > is needed for any mantra.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. whom to worship for what - one has to

> > > worship

> > > > > only

> > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > form

> > > > > > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > > > one is his / her Ishta Devi or Devta. may

> be

> > > > saakar

> > > > > > > rupa

> > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > nirakaar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > rupa.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > their is nothing which your Ishta Dev or

> Devi

> > > cant

> > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > > you,

> > > > > > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > leave your Isht and run here n their it

> means

> > > you

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > doubt

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > or her powers, kindly remember Almighty

is

> > only

> > > > one,

> > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > > > forms.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Rama or krishna or hanuman or shakti or

> > ganesha

> > > or

> > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > forms of one only one The Suprem

> Personality

> > The

> > > > > > > Almighty

> > > > > > > > > God.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > if one falls in Mantra then must know

> complete

> > > > > > Vidhana,

> > > > > > > > > > > otherwise

> > > > > > > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > > > > > just simple Prayer, Prayer is one of the

> most

> > > > > > Powerful

> > > > > > > > tool

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > hand

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of Human beings, Their all billions of

> people

> > > who

> > > > > > even

> > > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > > > > > any Mantra, who even does not know Rama

or

> > > > Krishna,

> > > > > > > they

> > > > > > > > > > worship

> > > > > > > > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > > > > > almighty in other Form/s. most of people

do

> > only

> > > > > > prayer

> > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > earth.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > This all things only on your belief, what

> > ever

> > > you

> > > > > > > > belief,

> > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > comes

> > > > > > > > > > > > > in same reply.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > in end - ANY ONE WHO TAKE ALMIGHTY'S

NAME -

> > ANY

> > > > > NAME -

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > OR

> > > > > > > > > > PRAY

> > > > > > > > > > > IN

> > > > > > > > > > > > ANY

> > > > > > > > > > > > > LANGUAGE OR FROM - MUST BLESSED.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > THEIR IS NO END OF DEBAIT, IT ALL MANTRA

> > YANTRA

> > > > ALL

> > > > > > > THESE

> > > > > > > > > ARE

> > > > > > > > > > > > BELIEFE

> > > > > > > > > > > > > BASED ON ASTI OR NASTI ONLY.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > WORSHIP OF ALMIGHTY DOES NOT NEED ANY

> THING,

> > NO

> > > > > > MANTRA

> > > > > > > OR

> > > > > > > > > > YANTRA

> > > > > > > > > > > > IS

> > > > > > > > > > > > > NEEDED - WHEN YOU CALL HIM BY YOUR HEART

> AND

> > > SOUL

> > > > IN

> > > > > > ANY

> > > > > > > > > > > > LANGUAGE -

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ALLWAYS ANSWERED - THE ONLY CONDITION YOU

> > MUST

> > > BE

> > > > > > > CLEAN,

> > > > > > > > > > CLEAR,

> > > > > > > > > > > > PURE,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > THEN ONLY REPLY WILL COME VERY FAST

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > (EXAMPLE : when you boil water , if water

> is

> > > > clean,

> > > > > > > > clear,

> > > > > > > > > > pure

> > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > take few minutes to boil, BUT if water is

> too

> > > mudy

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > impure

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > mix

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of dirt or other things, it take long

time

> to

> > > get

> > > > > > > boiled)

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Soul is like water, if it is clean ,

clear,

> > > pure,

> > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > prayer

> > > > > > > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > > > > > > reply fast, but if it is not clean,

clear,

> > pure,

> > > > > > Reply

> > > > > > > > must

> > > > > > > > > > come

> > > > > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > it will take it own time.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > By just chanting His/ Her name with

> > > unconditional

> > > > > > love

> > > > > > > > > > without

> > > > > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Vidhana, will clear your all karmas, your

> all

> > > > > > impurity

> > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > fast

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > you will be blessed.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Even Though people want to Proseed

Mantras

> > then

> > > > they

> > > > > > > Must

> > > > > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > > > > about Mantra.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Niket

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > @ .

> > > > > > com, " jk.dasgupta "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raja,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you add OM, all doshas of the

mantra

> is

> > > > > > removed.

> > > > > > > > > Else

> > > > > > > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > > > > > > are some

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > perticular methods to match the mantra

> with

> > > the

> > > > > > > native.

> > > > > > > > > > Else

> > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > > > creat

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > havoc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you know if Lord Hanuman is at

all

> > > > > > interested

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > protecting

> > > > > > > > > > > > > you? Lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hanuman is represented by Mars. It all

> > > depends

> > > > > upon

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > placement

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of Mars in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > your chart. I know one case, where Mars

> was

> > > in

> > > > 5H

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > started

> > > > > > > > > > > > > chanting

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hanuman mantra. His home started

> trembling.

> > > Why?

> > > > > > > > because

> > > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > is maraka

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the 12th house from it. 12th from

5th

> is

> > > 4th

> > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > jala

> > > > > > > > > > > > > tattwa.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > And tattwa of Mars is agni. So you can

> > > > understand

> > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > > > happened.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Either agni

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > will get finished or jala will get

> finished.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are more things. You want

> protection

> > > from

> > > > > > > > shatrus.

> > > > > > > > > > None

> > > > > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > > > do it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > except your Palana Devata. It is

denoted

> by

> > > the

> > > > > 6th

> > > > > > > > > planet

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > (if there is no planet) from Chara

Amatma

> > > > Karaka

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > Navamsa.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Also,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > If any

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > planet is sitting in 5th hose in rashi,

> > that

> > > has

> > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > > power

> > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > make

> > > > > > > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > dance - specially so, if it is in

> dusthana

> > > from

> > > > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > > > lord.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you want spiritual progress, it is

> your

> > > Ista

> > > > > who

> > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > help.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Ista

> > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > denoted by the planet in 12th House or

> the

> > > 12th

> > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > (if

> > > > > > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > planet) from Chara Atma karaka. Which

> planet

> > > > > > denotes

> > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > > diety are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > explained in BPHS and Prashna Margam.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you see, that it is not necessary

that

> > > your

> > > > > wish

> > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > fullfilled by

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > just reciting a mantra. I know one

case,

> by

> > > > > > reciting

> > > > > > > > ari-

> > > > > > > > > > > mantra,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > one lost

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > his only son. All these are to be seen

> while

> > > > > > > selecting

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > mantra

> > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > person. These are all knowledges

> available

> > in

> > > > > > > > paramparas

> > > > > > > > > > only.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Pt.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanjay

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rath - in his book " Vedic Remedies in

> > > Astrology "

> > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > brought

> > > > > > > > > > > > out in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > clarity.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > So it is always better to recite the

> > > prashiddha

> > > > > > > > mantras,

> > > > > > > > > > > unless

> > > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > proper guidance. I will try to make a

> brief

> > > > write

> > > > > > up

> > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > mantra,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > different

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > types and how to understand the effect

of

> > any

> > > > > > > > perticular

> > > > > > > > > > > mantra

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > post it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the list - whenever i find some time

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > [@ .

> com]

> > On

> > > > > > Behalf

> > > > > > > Of

> > > > > > > > Raja

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, January 01, 2009 7:57 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: swaha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dasguptaji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > i dont understand. This is a hanuman

> mantra

> > > > > > supposed

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > protect

> > > > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > shatrus or rog etc so why do i have to

be

> > > > > carefull?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you stating that it is doing

opposite

> > > than

> > > > > what

> > > > > > i

> > > > > > > am

> > > > > > > > > > > > thinking

> > > > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > should?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > If i remove OM from it, it becomes 5

> word,

> > > does

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > mean

> > > > > > > > > > it'd

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > strengthen lagna from 5th house?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > please shed some light.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > raja

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ .

> > > > > > > com, " jk.dasgupta "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, but be carefull what you want.

> This

> > is

> > > a

> > > > 6

> > > > > > > words

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > 13

> > > > > > > > > > > > > letter

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > mantra.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That means it will draw energy from

your

> > > > > > > shatrubhava

> > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > rogabhava

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and give

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > result on yr lagna.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ .

com

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [@

.

> > com]

> > > On

> > > > > > > Behalf Of

> > > > > > > > > Raja

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, December 31, 2008

1:52

> PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: swaha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so is it ok to chant swaha mantra

i.e..

> > om

> > > > shri

> > > > > > > hari

> > > > > > > > > > > markatam

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > markatay swaha... without any homam

> > ahuti..?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ .

> > > > > > > com, " jk.dasgupta "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raja,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swaha and Swadha are two wives of

> Agni.

> > > > Swaha

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > generalyy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > used

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > offering

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something to Devas or in homams and

> > > Swadha

> > > > is

> > > > > > > used

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > sraddha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karmas for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pittris.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now there are many types of

mantras.

> > Two

> > > are

> > > > > > > main,

> > > > > > > > i.e

> > > > > > > > > > > > `Namah'

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mantras where

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > `Namah' is used at the end. These

> types

> > of

> > > > > > > mantras

> > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > surrender to the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord. But mantras ending with

`Swaha'

> > are

> > > > > > > somewhat

> > > > > > > > > > forcing

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Devata to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > grant the result.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So `Namah' mantras are always

better -

>

> > as

> > > > the

> > > > > > > Lord

> > > > > > > > > knows

> > > > > > > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suitable for us.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @

.

> com

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [@

> .

> > > com]

> > > > On

> > > > > > > Behalf

> > > > > > > > Of

> > > > > > > > > > Raja

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, December 31, 2008

> > 12:19

> > > PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ .

com

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > swaha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many mantras have " swaha " at the

end

> of

> > > > them.

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > read

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > seen

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > during havana also that these kind

of

> > > mantra

> > > > > > > > > > > requires " homa "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (i.e..

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some sort of havan ahuti) while

> > chanting

> > > yet

> > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > mantras

> > > > > > > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seen

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are chanted with swaha on day to

day

> > basis

> > > > > > where

> > > > > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > havan. I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wanted to ask learned ones' opinion

> > about

> > > > this

> > > > > > > > matter.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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No, Rahu and Ketu are always opposite. While Rahu promotes bhoga, Ketu

promotes spirituality.

 

That does not mean Rahu is bad. Rahu is the master of mantras, both good and

evil. He is also the keeper of Patanjali Yoga Sutras. In this way - he is

even better that Jupiter. As Jupiter masters only good mantras. :-)

 

There are no better giver of materialistic fortune than Rahu and Saturn.

Ketu also when gives (11th in Navamsa or in Nadi dreskana which is called

Jagannath dreskana in our parampara), he gives blindly.

 

Regards

 

Jk

 

 

On Behalf Of Raja

Friday, January 02, 2009 12:27 PM

Re: All is Maya -

 

 

:) hehe

 

well kaliyug is ruled by Rahu means it is also supported ruled by

ketu which is giver of moksha isn't it?

 

, " jk.dasgupta "

<jk.dasgupta wrote:

>

> Dear RRji,

>

> What Niket is talking, I think is the path of getting moksha. In

kaliyuga

> real bhakti is rare and moksha is very difficult.

>

> Kaliyuga is ruled by Rahu and in this yuga only rules laid by Sri

Krishna,

> in Mahabharata and Geeta will pull us out from the sufferings

injected by

> Rahu - the Kaal naaga. Who else other that Sri Krishan can control

the

> dangerous sarpa called Kaaliya?

>

> Who comes to an astrologer if he is not suffering in this life? He

who is

> enjoying or passing through a good time, has no time to visit an

astrologer.

> He who is in the path of moksha, does not require an astrologer - as

> tomorrow has no meaning for them.

>

> Many people come to me asking " when I can get moksha? " . This

question points

> towards their frustation in life. My simple answer to them always

is - one

> should never try to run away from the sufferings of this life,

rectify it

> properly, complete the bhogas in totality whether good or bad.

Moksha will

> come in its own course.

>

> Let us be honest and accept that, we are all bhogis and we all

aspire for

> prosperity and happiness in this life, including myself :-). We all

aspire

> for bhogas of Rahu.

>

> Regards

>

> Jk

>

>

>

>

> On Behalf Of Rohiniranjan

> Friday, January 02, 2009 9:47 AM

>

> Re: All is Maya -

>

>

> Dear Niket-ji,

>

> The " crazy madman " -- as Aadarniya Sunil ji chose to call me

> recently -- disagrees!

>

> Even Tapa and Saadhanaa require FAITH! In the Teacher and the

> Teaching of the Ritual!

>

> Even " experimentation " and 'improvisation', the next step, of what

> was learned through a Guru requires Faith! Faith in oneself and

one's

> learning. Often miscomprehended by critics as " EGO " -- all it

> represents really is a personal resolve that says, 'I have chosen

the

> path and taken the first step; now may the destination teach me

how

> to proceed!'

>

> So there is really ONE option and one path! :-)

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , " astroiniket "

> <nakshtraniket@> wrote:

> >

> > Yes dear Prashantji, as i have already posted in my privious

posts

> > few months back :

> >

> > if one want to achive his target their are only 2 ways.

> >

> > 1. first is Tapa or Sadhna in which 100% proces + Knowledge +

Focus

> +

> > System + Method Required and it is based on Mantra - doer will

get

> > 100% sure Results as wanted, no value of Faith here. becoz here

> > system is working.

> >

> >

> > 2. Second path is Bhakti: nothing is required, only

unconditional

> > love and 100% devotion, Blind faith, Required, and the Person

must

> be

> > able to give desired things to others.

> >

> >

> > the diffrence is on first way you get what you want, BUT on

second

> > path you get all withoust asking, even more then that, as well

as

> you

> > also able to give desired things to Others. you got powers of

> > almighty.

> >

> >

> > Choice is ours, First way is Easy for those who have strong will

> > power, and fire to achive their worldly things.

> >

> >

> > Second Path is not easy - not at all............it needs lot of

> > things which we can do but do not want to do. the problem is our

> > knowledge here, our own mind, our thoughts, our selfishness, we

do

> > not want to see almighty in all.

> >

> > simple thing :

> >

> > when you cant love by heart n soul to those whom you can see and

> you

> > live with.

> >

> > Then how can you Love to whom , which you never seen.

> >

> > if you are able to love all by heart, then only you can clear

Prep

> or

> > KG of Bhakti Marga.

> >

> >

> > Rest ALL is MAYA.

> >

> > OM GYANINAMAPI CHETANSI DEVI BHAGVATI HI SA

> > BALADAKRASHYA MOHAY MAHAMAYA PRAYACHATI.

> >

> >

> > regards

> > Niket

> >

> >

> > , Prashant Kumar G B

> > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Nikit, Raja

> > >

> > > well all the points covered here can be split into a few parts

> > >

> > > just like a good analysis, diagnosis and treatment has its own

> > desired results

> > >

> > > so too a Mantra invokation, recitation will help in much

better

> way

> > if it coming from a elderly person a GURU, or one of tohe two

> parents

> > done in the prescribed manner.

> > >

> > > Bhakti has its own dimension where it is unqualified devotion,

> > irrespective of the challenges ones faith is steadfast and

> > unwavering, the toad is rough but the DESTINATION is a beautiful

> one

> > if we See Dhruva, Markendaya, Prahalada, Hanuman, Annamacharya ,

> > Tyagaraja, Kabir, Tulsidas, Basaeshwara, Gnaneshwara, Sant

Govind

> > singh, Sri ramakrishna, Swami Vivekananda, Chaitanya prabhu,

ramana

> > Mahirishi and a the list is endless.. there is merit in every

case.

> > >

> > > Best wishes

> > >

> > > prashant

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > astroiniket <nakshtraniket@>

> > >

> > > Thursday, January 1, 2009 2:32:47 PM

> > > Re: swaha - why i am not agree

> > >

> > >

> > > dear friends do not include Bhakti in my saying. excluding

that :

> > >

> > > as you are taking med, you have faith in med or not - no

matter -

> > if

> > > med is strong - and rightly prescribed - and diagnosed - you

must

> > see

> > > or feel effect of med.

> > >

> > > same Mantras : if you follow Perfect process, you have faith

or

> > not -

> > > no matter - your - (Selection of Mantra + process of Mantra +

> > > Materiel + strong will+ focus on target) must give you desired

> > result.

> > >

> > > I am agree one must need a guru to understand and perform all

> this.

> > >

> > > BUT

> > >

> > > up to a certain level - horoscope - Grah (planets) -

nakshtras -

> > > knowledge - mantras - yantras - tantra is identified but

their is

> > one

> > > more level beyond this level " Where all these things does not

> have

> > > any value - that is Bhakti. "

> > >

> > > in Bhakti nothing is required - Only unconditional love -

rest is

> > > Headache of almighty and belief me you never feel any need to

ask

> > any

> > > thing. all will be taken care. and you will get all without

doing

> > any

> > > thing.

> > >

> > > as shree Hanuman Got ashirwad from Maa " Ajar, Amar, Gun

Nidhi,

> Sut

> > > tum Hoyu " ( o my sun you will be sea of all Gunas, Siddhis,

> Nidhis,

> > > all type of wealth, you will be immortal, you never be old,

you

> > will

> > > be beyond time and it's control and effects) and see Lord

hanuman

> > is

> > > able to give any thing. a lot of can be said. but all these

> things

> > > can be written in words.

> > >

> > > rgds

> > > Niket

> > >

> > > , " Raja "

<desi.raja@ ..>

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > I stand corrected. Case studies i assume can be as

emipirical

> > proof

> > > > as any scientific verification. I was just attempting to

> balance

> > > the

> > > > arguments.

> > > >

> > > > , " astroiniket "

> > > > <nakshtraniket@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > dear Raja,

> > > > > in what context you are asking to prove ? what you want to

> > > verify ?

> > > > > pls clear dot points.

> > > > >

> > > > > rgds

> > > > > Niker

> > > > > , " Raja "

> <desi.raja@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > see , what you two have been discussing is theoritical

> > science

> > > > and

> > > > > in

> > > > > > no way it can empirically be verified hence there is no

way

> > for

> > > > > > proving who is right and who is not. Different mind has

> > > diffrent

> > > > > > theories and it very well may lead to a single ultimate

> > > > destination

> > > > > > but how do we verify as no such method exist to verify.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > fascinating. I am glad that i joined this group.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " jk.dasgupta "

> > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I fully agree with you :-)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Jk

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > []On Behalf

Of

> > > > astroiniket

> > > > > > > Thursday, January 01, 2009 12:28 PM

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Re: swaha - why i am not agree

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > my dear friend - some time knowledge is door of Haven,

> > and

> > > > some

> > > > > > time

> > > > > > > it is door of Hell. Depends.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > as almighty is concern - no knowledge is required. as

> > world

> > > is

> > > > > > > concern a lot of knowledge is also very very less.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > kind regards

> > > > > > > Niket

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > @ .

com, " jk.dasgupta "

> > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I think Parashara and Neelakantha knows better than

> us.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > What you are telling is perfectly alright - when

> doing

> > > puja

> > > > > > without

> > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > vasana and just for spiritual progress. But when

> > material

> > > > > > progress

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > required, rules are different.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In your other mail you have mentioned that you have

> all

> > > the

> > > > > > books.

> > > > > > > Then you

> > > > > > > > must be knowing more than me. I do not have those

> > books,

> > > > nor

> > > > > I

> > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > Sanskrit. I only follow my Guru's words.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > What you have mentioned about Dr. Srimali is your

> > > personal

> > > > > > openion.

> > > > > > > I do not

> > > > > > > > agree with it. I know him personally and got

benefits.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Of course, I also do not follow the ideas of his

> family

> > > > > members

> > > > > > > holding the

> > > > > > > > reign. It is also my personal openion.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Jk

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > []On Behalf

> Of

> > > > > > astroiniket

> > > > > > > > Thursday, January 01, 2009 12:02 PM

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Re: swaha - why i am not agree

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > dear sir,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 1. " When you add OM, all doshas of the mantra is

> > removed. "

> > > > > > > > sir prefixing of Om cant remove any dosha of any

> mantra

> > > > there

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > 32

> > > > > > > > dosha in mantra - which only can be removed by doing

> > > perfect

> > > > > > > vidhana.

> > > > > > > > may see shloka in rgveda " asya mantrani karkam

> > devhelnat " .

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2. None of diety (form of almighty) is not bound

only

> > with

> > > > > > > planets.

> > > > > > > > as lord Hanuman was born on Tuesday so people

> consider

> > > him

> > > > > lord

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > Mars, and few people consider Lord Kartikey also

lord

> > of

> > > > > Mars.

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > actual it is nothing to do with Mars. Mars consider

> as

> > > > > > Bhumiputra

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > govern by self. Mars is self demi diety. see

refrence

> in

> > > > > > > > samveda " nanvatenya angaraka bhumiputro shivasya

> > > > saranchanam,

> > > > > > tsya

> > > > > > > > alokya...... may read full in original " .

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 3. All mantras have their own nature, yes agni Beez

> > > mantra

> > > > > cant

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > used with Jala Beez Mantra, but it can be used when

> > Prana

> > > > > > > pratishtha

> > > > > > > > is needed for any mantra.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 4. whom to worship for what - one has to worship

only

> > one

> > > > form

> > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > one is his / her Ishta Devi or Devta. may be saakar

> > rupa

> > > or

> > > > > > > nirakaar

> > > > > > > > rupa.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > their is nothing which your Ishta Dev or Devi cant

> give

> > > > you,

> > > > > > when

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > leave your Isht and run here n their it means you

> have

> > > > doubt

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > or her powers, kindly remember Almighty is only one,

> > have

> > > > all

> > > > > > > forms.

> > > > > > > > Rama or krishna or hanuman or shakti or ganesha or

> any

> > > one

> > > > > all

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > forms of one only one The Suprem Personality The

> > Almighty

> > > > God.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > if one falls in Mantra then must know complete

> Vidhana,

> > > > > > otherwise

> > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > just simple Prayer, Prayer is one of the most

> Powerful

> > > tool

> > > > in

> > > > > > > hand

> > > > > > > > of Human beings, Their all billions of people who

> even

> > > does

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > any Mantra, who even does not know Rama or Krishna,

> > they

> > > > > worship

> > > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > almighty in other Form/s. most of people do only

> prayer

> > > on

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > earth.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This all things only on your belief, what ever you

> > > belief,

> > > > it

> > > > > > > comes

> > > > > > > > in same reply.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > in end - ANY ONE WHO TAKE ALMIGHTY'S NAME - ANY

NAME -

>

> > OR

> > > > > PRAY

> > > > > > IN

> > > > > > > ANY

> > > > > > > > LANGUAGE OR FROM - MUST BLESSED.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > THEIR IS NO END OF DEBAIT, IT ALL MANTRA YANTRA ALL

> > THESE

> > > > ARE

> > > > > > > BELIEFE

> > > > > > > > BASED ON ASTI OR NASTI ONLY.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > WORSHIP OF ALMIGHTY DOES NOT NEED ANY THING, NO

> MANTRA

> > OR

> > > > > YANTRA

> > > > > > > IS

> > > > > > > > NEEDED - WHEN YOU CALL HIM BY YOUR HEART AND SOUL IN

> ANY

> > > > > > > LANGUAGE -

> > > > > > > > ALLWAYS ANSWERED - THE ONLY CONDITION YOU MUST BE

> > CLEAN,

> > > > > CLEAR,

> > > > > > > PURE,

> > > > > > > > THEN ONLY REPLY WILL COME VERY FAST

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > (EXAMPLE : when you boil water , if water is clean,

> > > clear,

> > > > > pure

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > take few minutes to boil, BUT if water is too mudy

> and

> > > > impure

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > mix

> > > > > > > > of dirt or other things, it take long time to get

> > boiled)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Soul is like water, if it is clean , clear, pure,

> your

> > > > prayer

> > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > reply fast, but if it is not clean, clear, pure,

> Reply

> > > must

> > > > > come

> > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > it will take it own time.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > By just chanting His/ Her name with unconditional

> love

> > > > > without

> > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > Vidhana, will clear your all karmas, your all

> impurity

> > > very

> > > > > fast

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > you will be blessed.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Even Though people want to Proseed Mantras then they

> > Must

> > > > > know

> > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > about Mantra.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > > Niket

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > @ .

> com, " jk.dasgupta "

> > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Raja,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > When you add OM, all doshas of the mantra is

> removed.

> > > > Else

> > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > are some

> > > > > > > > > perticular methods to match the mantra with the

> > native.

> > > > > Else

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > creat

> > > > > > > > > havoc.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > How do you know if Lord Hanuman is at all

> interested

> > in

> > > > > > > protecting

> > > > > > > > you? Lord

> > > > > > > > > Hanuman is represented by Mars. It all depends

upon

> > the

> > > > > > > placement

> > > > > > > > of Mars in

> > > > > > > > > your chart. I know one case, where Mars was in 5H

> and

> > > he

> > > > > > started

> > > > > > > > chanting

> > > > > > > > > Hanuman mantra. His home started trembling. Why?

> > > because

> > > > any

> > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > is maraka

> > > > > > > > > of the 12th house from it. 12th from 5th is 4th

> house

> > > > which

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > jala

> > > > > > > > tattwa.

> > > > > > > > > And tattwa of Mars is agni. So you can understand

> > what

> > > > > > happened.

> > > > > > > > Either agni

> > > > > > > > > will get finished or jala will get finished.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > There are more things. You want protection from

> > > shatrus.

> > > > > None

> > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > do it

> > > > > > > > > except your Palana Devata. It is denoted by the

6th

> > > > planet

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > 6th lord

> > > > > > > > > (if there is no planet) from Chara Amatma Karaka

in

> > > > Navamsa.

> > > > > > > Also,

> > > > > > > > If any

> > > > > > > > > planet is sitting in 5th hose in rashi, that has

> got

> > > > power

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > make

> > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > dance - specially so, if it is in dusthana from

> Lagna

> > > > lord.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If you want spiritual progress, it is your Ista

who

> > > will

> > > > > help.

> > > > > > > Ista

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > denoted by the planet in 12th House or the 12th

> lord

> > > (if

> > > > > there

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > planet) from Chara Atma karaka. Which planet

> denotes

> > > which

> > > > > > > diety are

> > > > > > > > > explained in BPHS and Prashna Margam.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > So you see, that it is not necessary that your

wish

> > > will

> > > > be

> > > > > > > > fullfilled by

> > > > > > > > > just reciting a mantra. I know one case, by

> reciting

> > > ari-

> > > > > > mantra,

> > > > > > > > one lost

> > > > > > > > > his only son. All these are to be seen while

> > selecting

> > > a

> > > > > > mantra

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > person. These are all knowledges available in

> > > paramparas

> > > > > only.

> > > > > > > Pt.

> > > > > > > > Sanjay

> > > > > > > > > Rath - in his book " Vedic Remedies in Astrology "

> has

> > > > brought

> > > > > > > out in

> > > > > > > > clarity.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > So it is always better to recite the prashiddha

> > > mantras,

> > > > > > unless

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > > proper guidance. I will try to make a brief write

> up

> > on

> > > > > > mantra,

> > > > > > > > different

> > > > > > > > > types and how to understand the effect of any

> > > perticular

> > > > > > mantra

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > post it

> > > > > > > > > in the list - whenever i find some time

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Jk

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > []On

> Behalf

> > Of

> > > Raja

> > > > > > > > > Thursday, January 01, 2009 7:57 AM

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Re: swaha

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dasguptaji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > i dont understand. This is a hanuman mantra

> supposed

> > to

> > > > > > protect

> > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > shatrus or rog etc so why do i have to be

carefull?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Are you stating that it is doing opposite than

what

> i

> > am

> > > > > > > thinking

> > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > should?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If i remove OM from it, it becomes 5 word, does

> that

> > > mean

> > > > > it'd

> > > > > > > > > strengthen lagna from 5th house?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > please shed some light.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > thanks,

> > > > > > > > > raja

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > @ .

> > com, " jk.dasgupta "

> > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Yes, but be carefull what you want. This is a 6

> > words

> > > > and

> > > > > 13

> > > > > > > > letter

> > > > > > > > > mantra.

> > > > > > > > > > That means it will draw energy from your

> > shatrubhava

> > > or

> > > > > > > > rogabhava

> > > > > > > > > and give

> > > > > > > > > > result on yr lagna.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Jk

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > []On

> > Behalf Of

> > > > Raja

> > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, December 31, 2008 1:52 PM

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Re: swaha

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > so is it ok to chant swaha mantra i.e.. om shri

> > hari

> > > > > > markatam

> > > > > > > > > > markatay swaha... without any homam ahuti..?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > @ .

> > com, " jk.dasgupta "

> > > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raja,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Swaha and Swadha are two wives of Agni. Swaha

> is

> > > > > generalyy

> > > > > > > > used

> > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > offering

> > > > > > > > > > > something to Devas or in homams and Swadha is

> > used

> > > in

> > > > > > > sraddha

> > > > > > > > > > karmas for

> > > > > > > > > > > Pittris.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Now there are many types of mantras. Two are

> > main,

> > > i.e

> > > > > > > `Namah'

> > > > > > > > > > mantras where

> > > > > > > > > > > `Namah' is used at the end. These types of

> > mantras

> > > > are

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > surrender to the

> > > > > > > > > > > lord. But mantras ending with `Swaha' are

> > somewhat

> > > > > forcing

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > Devata to

> > > > > > > > > > > grant the result.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > So `Namah' mantras are always better - as the

> > Lord

> > > > knows

> > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > best

> > > > > > > > > > > suitable for us.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Jk

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > []On

> > Behalf

> > > Of

> > > > > Raja

> > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, December 31, 2008 12:19 PM

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > swaha

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Many mantras have " swaha " at the end of them.

I

> > > have

> > > > > read

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > seen

> > > > > > > > > > > during havana also that these kind of mantra

> > > > > > requires " homa "

> > > > > > > > > > (i.e..

> > > > > > > > > > > some sort of havan ahuti) while chanting yet

> some

> > > > > mantras

> > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > seen

> > > > > > > > > > > are chanted with swaha on day to day basis

> where

> > > > there

> > > > > is

> > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > havan. I

> > > > > > > > > > > wanted to ask learned ones' opinion about this

> > > matter.

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Dear Girish,

 

Just to inject a serious note into this fishing expedition ;-)

 

Fishing can be a lot of fun if your life does not depend on it and

neither does of those who depend on you to bring home the catch

(translation=You are not a fisherman by vocation!).

 

And that describes most of us, does it not? The real fishermen have

TV Shows ...

 

RR

 

, " girish_raheja "

<girish_raheja wrote:

>

> AMEN !!

>

>

>

>

>

> , " Rohiniranjan "

> <rohini_ranjan@> wrote:

> >

> > Thanks! I will wait until the remaining fishermen in our club

> arrive

> > and we all collectively go 'fishing'! ;-)

> >

> > RR

> >

> >

> > , " girish_raheja "

> > <girish_raheja@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Rohiniranjan ji,

> > >

> > > Oooops !

> > >

> > > A small Cuban town of fishermen !

> > >

> > > Sorry

> > >

> > > With respect,

> > >

> > > Girish Raheja

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " Rohiniranjan "

> > > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > While I *love* your posting and admiration, the word that

> really

> > > > bothers me in your message is, " Village! "

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > , " girish_raheja "

> > > > <girish_raheja@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Respected Rohiniranjan ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Do you remember Santiago ?

> > > > >

> > > > > The protagonist of 'Old Man and the Sea' by E. Hemingway.

> > > > Santiago's

> > > > > entire village considered him a 'crazy old man'

> > > > >

> > > > > I love and admire the Old Man; crazy or otherwise. I

consider

> > him

> > > > an

> > > > > epitome of self actualisation.

> > > > >

> > > > > With respect,

> > > > >

> > > > > Girish Raheja

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Rohiniranjan "

> > > > > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I hope the madman did not start (=stir) another bout of

32

> Hz

> > > > > > activity that makes Yogis hop and levitate!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sorry!!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " jk.dasgupta "

> > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear RRji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > What Niket is talking, I think is the path of getting

> > moksha.

> > > > In

> > > > > > kaliyuga

> > > > > > > real bhakti is rare and moksha is very difficult.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Kaliyuga is ruled by Rahu and in this yuga only rules

> laid

> > by

> > > > Sri

> > > > > > Krishna,

> > > > > > > in Mahabharata and Geeta will pull us out from the

> > sufferings

> > > > > > injected by

> > > > > > > Rahu - the Kaal naaga. Who else other that Sri Krishan

> can

> > > > > control

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > dangerous sarpa called Kaaliya?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Who comes to an astrologer if he is not suffering in

this

> > > life?

> > > > > He

> > > > > > who is

> > > > > > > enjoying or passing through a good time, has no time to

> > visit

> > > > an

> > > > > > astrologer.

> > > > > > > He who is in the path of moksha, does not require an

> > > > astrologer -

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > tomorrow has no meaning for them.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Many people come to me asking " when I can get moksha? " .

> > This

> > > > > > question points

> > > > > > > towards their frustation in life. My simple answer to

> them

> > > > always

> > > > > > is - one

> > > > > > > should never try to run away from the sufferings of

this

> > > life,

> > > > > > rectify it

> > > > > > > properly, complete the bhogas in totality whether good

or

> > > bad.

> > > > > > Moksha will

> > > > > > > come in its own course.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Let us be honest and accept that, we are all bhogis and

> we

> > > all

> > > > > > aspire for

> > > > > > > prosperity and happiness in this life, including

myself :-

> > ).

> > > We

> > > > > all

> > > > > > aspire

> > > > > > > for bhogas of Rahu.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Jk

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > On Behalf Of

> > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > Friday, January 02, 2009 9:47 AM

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Re: All is Maya -

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Niket-ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The " crazy madman " -- as Aadarniya Sunil ji chose to

> call

> > me

> > > > > > > recently -- disagrees!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Even Tapa and Saadhanaa require FAITH! In the Teacher

> and

> > > the

> > > > > > > Teaching of the Ritual!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Even " experimentation " and 'improvisation', the next

> > step,

> > > of

> > > > > what

> > > > > > > was learned through a Guru requires Faith! Faith in

> > oneself

> > > > and

> > > > > > one's

> > > > > > > learning. Often miscomprehended by critics as " EGO " --

 

> > all

> > > it

> > > > > > > represents really is a personal resolve that says, 'I

> > have

> > > > > chosen

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > path and taken the first step; now may the

destination

> > > teach

> > > > me

> > > > > > how

> > > > > > > to proceed!'

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So there is really ONE option and one path! :-)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " astroiniket "

> > > > > > > <nakshtraniket@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Yes dear Prashantji, as i have already posted in my

> > > > privious

> > > > > > posts

> > > > > > > > few months back :

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > if one want to achive his target their are only 2

> ways.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 1. first is Tapa or Sadhna in which 100% proces +

> > > Knowledge

> > > > +

> > > > > > Focus

> > > > > > > +

> > > > > > > > System + Method Required and it is based on Mantra -

 

> > doer

> > > > > will

> > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > 100% sure Results as wanted, no value of Faith

here.

> > > becoz

> > > > > here

> > > > > > > > system is working.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2. Second path is Bhakti: nothing is required, only

> > > > > > unconditional

> > > > > > > > love and 100% devotion, Blind faith, Required, and

> the

> > > > Person

> > > > > > must

> > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > able to give desired things to others.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > the diffrence is on first way you get what you

want,

> > BUT

> > > on

> > > > > > second

> > > > > > > > path you get all withoust asking, even more then

> that,

> > as

> > > > > well

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > also able to give desired things to Others. you got

> > > powers

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > almighty.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Choice is ours, First way is Easy for those who

have

> > > strong

> > > > > will

> > > > > > > > power, and fire to achive their worldly things.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Second Path is not easy - not at all............it

> > needs

> > > > lot

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > things which we can do but do not want to do. the

> > problem

> > > > is

> > > > > our

> > > > > > > > knowledge here, our own mind, our thoughts, our

> > > > selfishness,

> > > > > we

> > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > not want to see almighty in all.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > simple thing :

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > when you cant love by heart n soul to those whom

you

> > can

> > > > see

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > live with.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Then how can you Love to whom , which you never

seen.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > if you are able to love all by heart, then only you

> can

> > > > clear

> > > > > > Prep

> > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > KG of Bhakti Marga.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Rest ALL is MAYA.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > OM GYANINAMAPI CHETANSI DEVI BHAGVATI HI SA

> > > > > > > > BALADAKRASHYA MOHAY MAHAMAYA PRAYACHATI.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > > Niket

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , Prashant

> Kumar

> > G

> > > B

> > > > > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Nikit, Raja

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > well all the points covered here can be split

into

> a

> > > few

> > > > > parts

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > just like a good analysis, diagnosis and

treatment

> > has

> > > > its

> > > > > own

> > > > > > > > desired results

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > so too a Mantra invokation, recitation will help

in

> > > much

> > > > > > better

> > > > > > > way

> > > > > > > > if it coming from a elderly person a GURU, or one

of

> > tohe

> > > > two

> > > > > > > parents

> > > > > > > > done in the prescribed manner.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Bhakti has its own dimension where it is

> unqualified

> > > > > devotion,

> > > > > > > > irrespective of the challenges ones faith is

> steadfast

> > and

> > > > > > > > unwavering, the toad is rough but the DESTINATION

is

> a

> > > > > beautiful

> > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > if we See Dhruva, Markendaya, Prahalada, Hanuman,

> > > > > Annamacharya ,

> > > > > > > > Tyagaraja, Kabir, Tulsidas, Basaeshwara,

Gnaneshwara,

> > > Sant

> > > > > > Govind

> > > > > > > > singh, Sri ramakrishna, Swami Vivekananda,

Chaitanya

> > > > prabhu,

> > > > > > ramana

> > > > > > > > Mahirishi and a the list is endless.. there is

merit

> in

> > > > every

> > > > > > case.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Best wishes

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > prashant

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > > > > astroiniket <nakshtraniket@>

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thursday, January 1, 2009 2:32:47 PM

> > > > > > > > > Re: swaha - why i am not agree

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > dear friends do not include Bhakti in my saying.

> > > > excluding

> > > > > > that :

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > as you are taking med, you have faith in med or

> not -

> > > no

> > > > > > matter -

> > > > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > > med is strong - and rightly prescribed - and

> > diagnosed -

> > >

> > > > > you

> > > > > > must

> > > > > > > > see

> > > > > > > > > or feel effect of med.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > same Mantras : if you follow Perfect process, you

> > have

> > > > > faith

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > not -

> > > > > > > > > no matter - your - (Selection of Mantra + process

> of

> > > > Mantra

> > > > > +

> > > > > > > > > Materiel + strong will+ focus on target) must

give

> > you

> > > > > desired

> > > > > > > > result.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I am agree one must need a guru to understand and

> > > perform

> > > > > all

> > > > > > > this.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > BUT

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > up to a certain level - horoscope - Grah

(planets) -

>

> > > > > > nakshtras -

> > > > > > > > > knowledge - mantras - yantras - tantra is

> identified

> > > but

> > > > > > their is

> > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > more level beyond this level " Where all these

> things

> > > does

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > any value - that is Bhakti. "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > in Bhakti nothing is required - Only

unconditional

> > > love -

> > > > > > rest is

> > > > > > > > > Headache of almighty and belief me you never feel

> any

> > > > need

> > > > > to

> > > > > > ask

> > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > thing. all will be taken care. and you will get

all

> > > > without

> > > > > > doing

> > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > thing.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > as shree Hanuman Got ashirwad from Maa " Ajar,

> Amar,

> > > Gun

> > > > > > Nidhi,

> > > > > > > Sut

> > > > > > > > > tum Hoyu " ( o my sun you will be sea of all

Gunas,

> > > > Siddhis,

> > > > > > > Nidhis,

> > > > > > > > > all type of wealth, you will be immortal, you

never

> > be

> > > > old,

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > be beyond time and it's control and effects) and

> see

> > > Lord

> > > > > > hanuman

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > able to give any thing. a lot of can be said. but

> all

> > > > these

> > > > > > > things

> > > > > > > > > can be written in words.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > rgds

> > > > > > > > > Niket

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " Raja "

> > > > > > <desi.raja@ ..>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I stand corrected. Case studies i assume can be

> as

> > > > > > emipirical

> > > > > > > > proof

> > > > > > > > > > as any scientific verification. I was just

> > attempting

> > > to

> > > > > > > balance

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > arguments.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > @ .

> > > com, " astroiniket "

> > > > > > > > > > <nakshtraniket@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > dear Raja,

> > > > > > > > > > > in what context you are asking to prove ?

what

> > you

> > > > want

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > verify ?

> > > > > > > > > > > pls clear dot points.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > rgds

> > > > > > > > > > > Niker

> > > > > > > > > > > @ .

> com, " Raja "

> > > > > > > <desi.raja@>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > see , what you two have been discussing is

> > > > theoritical

> > > > > > > > science

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > no way it can empirically be verified hence

> > there

> > > > is

> > > > > no

> > > > > > way

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > proving who is right and who is not.

> Different

> > > mind

> > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > diffrent

> > > > > > > > > > > > theories and it very well may lead to a

> single

> > > > > ultimate

> > > > > > > > > > destination

> > > > > > > > > > > > but how do we verify as no such method

exist

> to

> > > > > verify.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > fascinating. I am glad that i joined this

> group.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > @ .

> > > > > com, " jk.dasgupta "

> > > > > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I fully agree with you :-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > [@ .

com]

> On

> > > > > Behalf

> > > > > > Of

> > > > > > > > > > astroiniket

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, January 01, 2009 12:28 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: swaha - why i am not

agree

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > my dear friend - some time knowledge is

> door

> > of

> > > > > Haven,

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > > > it is door of Hell. Depends.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > as almighty is concern - no knowledge is

> > > > required.

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > > world

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > concern a lot of knowledge is also very

> very

> > > less.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > kind regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Niket

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > @ .

> > > > > > com, " jk.dasgupta "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think Parashara and Neelakantha knows

> > > better

> > > > > than

> > > > > > > us.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > What you are telling is perfectly

> alright -

> > > when

> > > > > > > doing

> > > > > > > > > puja

> > > > > > > > > > > > without

> > > > > > > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > vasana and just for spiritual progress.

> But

> > > when

> > > > > > > > material

> > > > > > > > > > > > progress

> > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > required, rules are different.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In your other mail you have mentioned

> that

> > > you

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > books.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Then you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > must be knowing more than me. I do not

> have

> > > > those

> > > > > > > > books,

> > > > > > > > > > nor

> > > > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanskrit. I only follow my Guru's words.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > What you have mentioned about Dr.

Srimali

> > is

> > > > your

> > > > > > > > > personal

> > > > > > > > > > > > openion.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > agree with it. I know him personally

and

> > got

> > > > > > benefits.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I also do not follow the

ideas

> > of

> > > his

> > > > > > > family

> > > > > > > > > > > members

> > > > > > > > > > > > > holding the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > reign. It is also my personal openion.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > [@ .

> com]

> > On

> > > > > Behalf

> > > > > > > Of

> > > > > > > > > > > > astroiniket

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, January 01, 2009 12:02

PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: swaha - why i am not

> agree

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear sir,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. " When you add OM, all doshas of the

> > mantra

> > > is

> > > > > > > > removed. "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > sir prefixing of Om cant remove any

dosha

> > of

> > > any

> > > > > > > mantra

> > > > > > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 32

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > dosha in mantra - which only can be

> removed

> > > by

> > > > > doing

> > > > > > > > > perfect

> > > > > > > > > > > > > vidhana.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > may see shloka in rgveda " asya mantrani

> > karkam

> > > > > > > > devhelnat " .

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. None of diety (form of almighty) is

> not

> > > > bound

> > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > planets.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > as lord Hanuman was born on Tuesday so

> > people

> > > > > > > consider

> > > > > > > > > him

> > > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars, and few people consider Lord

> Kartikey

> > > > also

> > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > Mars.

> > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > actual it is nothing to do with Mars.

> Mars

> > > > > consider

> > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhumiputra

> > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > govern by self. Mars is self demi

diety.

> > see

> > > > > > refrence

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > samveda " nanvatenya angaraka bhumiputro

> > > shivasya

> > > > > > > > > > saranchanam,

> > > > > > > > > > > > tsya

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > alokya...... may read full in original " .

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. All mantras have their own nature,

yes

> > > agni

> > > > > Beez

> > > > > > > > > mantra

> > > > > > > > > > > cant

> > > > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > used with Jala Beez Mantra, but it can

be

> > > used

> > > > > when

> > > > > > > > Prana

> > > > > > > > > > > > > pratishtha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is needed for any mantra.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. whom to worship for what - one has

to

> > > > worship

> > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > form

> > > > > > > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > one is his / her Ishta Devi or Devta.

may

> > be

> > > > > saakar

> > > > > > > > rupa

> > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > nirakaar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > rupa.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > their is nothing which your Ishta Dev

or

> > Devi

> > > > cant

> > > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > > > you,

> > > > > > > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave your Isht and run here n their it

> > means

> > > > you

> > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > doubt

> > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > or her powers, kindly remember Almighty

> is

> > > only

> > > > > one,

> > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > > > > forms.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rama or krishna or hanuman or shakti or

> > > ganesha

> > > > or

> > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > forms of one only one The Suprem

> > Personality

> > > The

> > > > > > > > Almighty

> > > > > > > > > > God.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > if one falls in Mantra then must know

> > complete

> > > > > > > Vidhana,

> > > > > > > > > > > > otherwise

> > > > > > > > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > just simple Prayer, Prayer is one of

the

> > most

> > > > > > > Powerful

> > > > > > > > > tool

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > hand

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Human beings, Their all billions of

> > people

> > > > who

> > > > > > > even

> > > > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > any Mantra, who even does not know Rama

> or

> > > > > Krishna,

> > > > > > > > they

> > > > > > > > > > > worship

> > > > > > > > > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > almighty in other Form/s. most of

people

> do

> > > only

> > > > > > > prayer

> > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > earth.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > This all things only on your belief,

what

> > > ever

> > > > you

> > > > > > > > > belief,

> > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > comes

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in same reply.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in end - ANY ONE WHO TAKE ALMIGHTY'S

> NAME -

> > > ANY

> > > > > > NAME -

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > OR

> > > > > > > > > > > PRAY

> > > > > > > > > > > > IN

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ANY

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > LANGUAGE OR FROM - MUST BLESSED.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > THEIR IS NO END OF DEBAIT, IT ALL

MANTRA

> > > YANTRA

> > > > > ALL

> > > > > > > > THESE

> > > > > > > > > > ARE

> > > > > > > > > > > > > BELIEFE

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > BASED ON ASTI OR NASTI ONLY.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > WORSHIP OF ALMIGHTY DOES NOT NEED ANY

> > THING,

> > > NO

> > > > > > > MANTRA

> > > > > > > > OR

> > > > > > > > > > > YANTRA

> > > > > > > > > > > > > IS

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > NEEDED - WHEN YOU CALL HIM BY YOUR

HEART

> > AND

> > > > SOUL

> > > > > IN

> > > > > > > ANY

> > > > > > > > > > > > > LANGUAGE -

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ALLWAYS ANSWERED - THE ONLY CONDITION

YOU

> > > MUST

> > > > BE

> > > > > > > > CLEAN,

> > > > > > > > > > > CLEAR,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > PURE,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > THEN ONLY REPLY WILL COME VERY FAST

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > (EXAMPLE : when you boil water , if

water

> > is

> > > > > clean,

> > > > > > > > > clear,

> > > > > > > > > > > pure

> > > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > take few minutes to boil, BUT if water

is

> > too

> > > > mudy

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > impure

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > mix

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of dirt or other things, it take long

> time

> > to

> > > > get

> > > > > > > > boiled)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soul is like water, if it is clean ,

> clear,

> > > > pure,

> > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > prayer

> > > > > > > > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > reply fast, but if it is not clean,

> clear,

> > > pure,

> > > > > > > Reply

> > > > > > > > > must

> > > > > > > > > > > come

> > > > > > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > it will take it own time.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > By just chanting His/ Her name with

> > > > unconditional

> > > > > > > love

> > > > > > > > > > > without

> > > > > > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vidhana, will clear your all karmas,

your

> > all

> > > > > > > impurity

> > > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > fast

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > you will be blessed.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even Though people want to Proseed

> Mantras

> > > then

> > > > > they

> > > > > > > > Must

> > > > > > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > about Mantra.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Niket

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ .

> > > > > > > com, " jk.dasgupta "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raja,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you add OM, all doshas of the

> mantra

> > is

> > > > > > > removed.

> > > > > > > > > > Else

> > > > > > > > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > are some

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > perticular methods to match the

mantra

> > with

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > native.

> > > > > > > > > > > Else

> > > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > creat

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > havoc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you know if Lord Hanuman is at

> all

> > > > > > > interested

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > protecting

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > you? Lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hanuman is represented by Mars. It

all

> > > > depends

> > > > > > upon

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > placement

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Mars in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your chart. I know one case, where

Mars

> > was

> > > > in

> > > > > 5H

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > > started

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > chanting

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hanuman mantra. His home started

> > trembling.

> > > > Why?

> > > > > > > > > because

> > > > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is maraka

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the 12th house from it. 12th from

> 5th

> > is

> > > > 4th

> > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > jala

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > tattwa.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And tattwa of Mars is agni. So you

can

> > > > > understand

> > > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > > > > happened.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Either agni

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will get finished or jala will get

> > finished.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are more things. You want

> > protection

> > > > from

> > > > > > > > > shatrus.

> > > > > > > > > > > None

> > > > > > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > do it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > except your Palana Devata. It is

> denoted

> > by

> > > > the

> > > > > > 6th

> > > > > > > > > > planet

> > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (if there is no planet) from Chara

> Amatma

> > > > > Karaka

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > Navamsa.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Also,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > If any

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planet is sitting in 5th hose in

rashi,

> > > that

> > > > has

> > > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > > > power

> > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > make

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dance - specially so, if it is in

> > dusthana

> > > > from

> > > > > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > > > > lord.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you want spiritual progress, it is

> > your

> > > > Ista

> > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > help.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ista

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > denoted by the planet in 12th House

or

> > the

> > > > 12th

> > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > (if

> > > > > > > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planet) from Chara Atma karaka. Which

> > planet

> > > > > > > denotes

> > > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > > > diety are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explained in BPHS and Prashna Margam.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you see, that it is not necessary

> that

> > > > your

> > > > > > wish

> > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > fullfilled by

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just reciting a mantra. I know one

> case,

> > by

> > > > > > > reciting

> > > > > > > > > ari-

> > > > > > > > > > > > mantra,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > one lost

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his only son. All these are to be

seen

> > while

> > > > > > > > selecting

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > mantra

> > > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > person. These are all knowledges

> > available

> > > in

> > > > > > > > > paramparas

> > > > > > > > > > > only.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Pt.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanjay

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rath - in his book " Vedic Remedies in

> > > > Astrology "

> > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > brought

> > > > > > > > > > > > > out in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > clarity.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So it is always better to recite the

> > > > prashiddha

> > > > > > > > > mantras,

> > > > > > > > > > > > unless

> > > > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > proper guidance. I will try to make a

> > brief

> > > > > write

> > > > > > > up

> > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > mantra,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > different

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > types and how to understand the

effect

> of

> > > any

> > > > > > > > > perticular

> > > > > > > > > > > > mantra

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > post it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the list - whenever i find some

time

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ .

com

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [@

.

> > com]

> > > On

> > > > > > > Behalf

> > > > > > > > Of

> > > > > > > > > Raja

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, January 01, 2009 7:57

AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: swaha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dasguptaji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i dont understand. This is a hanuman

> > mantra

> > > > > > > supposed

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > protect

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shatrus or rog etc so why do i have

to

> be

> > > > > > carefull?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you stating that it is doing

> opposite

> > > > than

> > > > > > what

> > > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > am

> > > > > > > > > > > > > thinking

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If i remove OM from it, it becomes 5

> > word,

> > > > does

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > mean

> > > > > > > > > > > it'd

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strengthen lagna from 5th house?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please shed some light.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > raja

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ .

> > > > > > > > com, " jk.dasgupta "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, but be carefull what you want.

> > This

> > > is

> > > > a

> > > > > 6

> > > > > > > > words

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > 13

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > letter

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mantra.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That means it will draw energy from

> your

> > > > > > > > shatrubhava

> > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > rogabhava

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and give

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > result on yr lagna.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @

.

> com

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [@

> .

> > > com]

> > > > On

> > > > > > > > Behalf Of

> > > > > > > > > > Raja

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, December 31, 2008

> 1:52

> > PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ .

com

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: swaha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so is it ok to chant swaha mantra

> i.e..

> > > om

> > > > > shri

> > > > > > > > hari

> > > > > > > > > > > > markatam

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > markatay swaha... without any homam

> > > ahuti..?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @

.

> > > > > > > > com, " jk.dasgupta "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jk.dasgupta@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raja,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swaha and Swadha are two wives of

> > Agni.

> > > > > Swaha

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > generalyy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > used

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > offering

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something to Devas or in homams

and

> > > > Swadha

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > used

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > sraddha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karmas for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pittris.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now there are many types of

> mantras.

> > > Two

> > > > are

> > > > > > > > main,

> > > > > > > > > i.e

> > > > > > > > > > > > > `Namah'

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mantras where

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > `Namah' is used at the end. These

> > types

> > > of

> > > > > > > > mantras

> > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > surrender to the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord. But mantras ending with

> `Swaha'

> > > are

> > > > > > > > somewhat

> > > > > > > > > > > forcing

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Devata to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > grant the result.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So `Namah' mantras are always

> better -

> >

> > > as

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > Lord

> > > > > > > > > > knows

> > > > > > > > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suitable for us.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jk

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @

> .

> > com

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [@

> > .

> > > > com]

> > > > > On

> > > > > > > > Behalf

> > > > > > > > > Of

> > > > > > > > > > > Raja

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, December 31,

2008

> > > 12:19

> > > > PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @

.

> com

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > swaha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many mantras have " swaha " at the

> end

> > of

> > > > > them.

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > read

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seen

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > during havana also that these

kind

> of

> > > > mantra

> > > > > > > > > > > > requires " homa "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (i.e..

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some sort of havan ahuti) while

> > > chanting

> > > > yet

> > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > > mantras

> > > > > > > > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seen

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are chanted with swaha on day to

> day

> > > basis

> > > > > > > where

> > > > > > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > havan. I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wanted to ask learned ones'

opinion

> > > about

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > matter.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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