Guest guest Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 Dear All, I was just trying to know whether in our analysis we should take rahu ketu as true nodes or mean nodes. It is understood that mean nodes are always retrograde howevr, true nodes are direct as well. Could anybody throw light on this and enumerate what are the reasons and repercussions for both of them ? Thanx & Regards -- Sumit Bajaj Contact: +91-98300-84593 astrosumitbajaj.blogspot.com Id: sumitbajaj2000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 Dear Sumit ji, This topic was recently discussed in the group. You may search through the messages. Regards Neelam 2008/12/15 Sumit Bajaj <sumitbajaj2000 > > Dear All, > > I was just trying to know whether in our analysis we should take rahu ketu > as true nodes or mean nodes. It is understood that mean nodes are always > retrograde howevr, true nodes are direct as well. Could anybody throw light > on this and enumerate what are the reasons and repercussions for both of > them ? > > Thanx & Regards > > -- > Sumit Bajaj > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 Dear Neelamji,Namaste, Yes, the true nodes should be 180 degrees apart. For example, in a horoscope, if Rahu is in 6 degree in Kanya rashi then Ketu will be in 6 degree in Meena rashi. When and how did the practice of considering the mean nodes come into practice? How did the jyotishis determine the actual and mean positions of the nodes, in the ancient times?Regards,--- On Sun, 12/14/08, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 Re: Mean Nodes or True Nodes Date: Sunday, December 14, 2008, 8:59 PM Dear Sumit ji, This topic was recently discussed in the group. You may search through the messages. Regards Neelam 2008/12/15 Sumit Bajaj <sumitbajaj2000@ gmail.com> > > Dear All, > > I was just trying to know whether in our analysis we should take rahu ketu > as true nodes or mean nodes. It is understood that mean nodes are always > retrograde howevr, true nodes are direct as well. Could anybody throw light > on this and enumerate what are the reasons and repercussions for both of > them ? > > Thanx & Regards > > -- > Sumit Bajaj > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 Will just request what are esteemed members using for their interpretation. Till now i have been using Mean nodes, but i think from henceforth will use the true nodes only since we have the luxury of its calculations with ease. Thanx & Regards On 15/12/2008, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote: Dear Neelamji,Namaste, Yes, the true nodes should be 180 degrees apart. For example, in a horoscope, if Rahu is in 6 degree in Kanya rashi then Ketu will be in 6 degree in Meena rashi. When and how did the practice of considering the mean nodes come into practice? How did the jyotishis determine the actual and mean positions of the nodes, in the ancient times? Regards,--- On Sun, 12/14/08, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 Re: Mean Nodes or True Nodes Sunday, December 14, 2008, 8:59 PM Dear Sumit ji,This topic was recently discussed in the group. You may search through themessages.RegardsNeelam2008/12/15 Sumit Bajaj <sumitbajaj2000@ gmail.com> >> Dear All,>> I was just trying to know whether in our analysis we should take rahu ketu> as true nodes or mean nodes. It is understood that mean nodes are always> retrograde howevr, true nodes are direct as well. Could anybody throw light > on this and enumerate what are the reasons and repercussions for both of> them ?>> Thanx & Regards>> --> Sumit Bajaj> > -- Sumit BajajContact: +91-98300-84593 astrosumitbajaj.blogspot.com Id: sumitbajaj2000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 Dear Sumit ji,Perhaps you haven't gone through the archives. It avoids a lot of repetition. I am quoting here from one of my earlier messages.//All the planets have a mean motion and a true motion and we use the true motion for all. The traditional teaching says that we should use true motion for Rahu also.This factor is important because true and mean Rahu can sometimes be in different signs, different navamshas or other vargas. In some dashas also, there comes a difference in calculations. The results depend on the motion/speed as well as sign/varga obtained for any planet… so is for Rahu. And if we have true motion available with us, why use mean motion for Rahu?//Hope that makes it clearer. There are some discussions available in the group messages if you wish to have more details. RegardsNeelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya* Dear Sumit, Namaskar Nodes are karmic indications and similar to vakri which shows past birth samskaras should be always mean node whilst interpreting their yoga. This is also related to boat driven by Sri Matsya (Ketu) which always go in antizodiacal direction. Regards, Rafal Gendarz ----------------------------- Consultations and Pages: http://rohinaa.com rafal Sumit Bajaj pisze: > > Dear All, > > I was just trying to know whether in our analysis we should take rahu ketu > as true nodes or mean nodes. It is understood that mean nodes are always > retrograde howevr, true nodes are direct as well. Could anybody throw > light > on this and enumerate what are the reasons and repercussions for both of > them ? > > Thanx & Regards > > -- > Sumit Bajaj > Contact: +91-98300-84593 > astrosumitbajaj.blogspot.com > Id: sumitbajaj2000 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 Dear Sunil ji, The historian speaks!! I do not know about the history, but earlier it seems mean positions were taken earlier as for all planets when true positions were not available for the lack of proper techniques. Now that we have true positions available to us why don't we use them? As we have a divided opinion on this topic, one can also try and see what works for him. The true positions which also give an indication of the speed, are always worth studying and reveal a lot. I always find true position more reliable. For those who are interested, I think Lahiri's ephemeris gives how these two positions are calculated. Regards Neelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 Hi, Please use true positions, just as you would for other planetary factors. Mean positions are approximations and assume that everything moves at constant speed, which is not the case in as we all should know. RR , " Sumit Bajaj " <sumitbajaj2000 wrote: > > Dear All, > > I was just trying to know whether in our analysis we should take rahu ketu > as true nodes or mean nodes. It is understood that mean nodes are always > retrograde howevr, true nodes are direct as well. Could anybody throw light > on this and enumerate what are the reasons and repercussions for both of > them ? > > Thanx & Regards > > -- > Sumit Bajaj > Contact: +91-98300-84593 > astrosumitbajaj.blogspot.com > Id: sumitbajaj2000 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2008 Report Share Posted December 16, 2008 ||aum namah shivaya|| Dear Rohinirajan, namaste. if i may ask , could you please share you *source* , about using true node method for Rahu / Ketu ? Would definately lead to better understanding , as this Mean/True debate has always been around. humble regards, Chandan S Sabarwal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2008 Report Share Posted December 16, 2008 It is not just nodes, dear sir but for all planets that griha spashta (true positions) must be utilized for astrology. Why -- have you found somewhere written that madhyama positions of nodes specifically should only be utilized? RR , " chandan486 " <wavelogix+jyotishremedies wrote: > > ||aum namah shivaya|| > > Dear Rohinirajan, > > namaste. > > if i may ask , could you please share you *source* , about using true > node method for Rahu / Ketu ? > > Would definately lead to better understanding , as this Mean/True > debate has always been around. > > humble regards, > Chandan S Sabarwal. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2008 Report Share Posted December 17, 2008 ||aum namah shivaya|| dear rohini, namaste... if i remember correctly , dosent the BHPS mention , that Rahu / Ketu are always vakri ? Also in Jaimini sutras , the Maharshi mentions that for couting agralas by Ketu , anti zodiacal is the direction .. !! comments please humble regards, Chandan S sabarwal. , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan wrote: > > It is not just nodes, dear sir but for all planets that griha spashta > (true positions) must be utilized for astrology. > > Why -- have you found somewhere written that madhyama positions of > nodes specifically should only be utilized? > > RR > > , " chandan486 " > <wavelogix+jyotishremedies@> wrote: > > > > ||aum namah shivaya|| > > > > Dear Rohinirajan, > > > > namaste. > > > > if i may ask , could you please share you *source* , about using true > > node method for Rahu / Ketu ? > > > > Would definately lead to better understanding , as this Mean/True > > debate has always been around. > > > > humble regards, > > Chandan S Sabarwal. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2008 Report Share Posted December 17, 2008 They are predominantly vakri, way significantly more than any other planet, hence for counting etc, retrograde counting would be the way to go. Listen, if you are convinced that you should use true positions for all planets and mean position for nodes, it is your choice to use such an exception at your (and your clients') risk, but it does not fit with the general framework. If it was a valid exception, such would have been mentioned clearly and directly in the texts. BPHS also says in the beginning that the nodes do not own a sign but later on says that they have signs etc! Read my article on " Astrotreasures " for more discrepancies such as that in " Scriptures " : http://www.boloji.com/astro/00303.htm RR , " chandan486 " <wavelogix+jyotishremedies wrote: > > ||aum namah shivaya|| > > dear rohini, > namaste... > > if i remember correctly , dosent the BHPS mention , that Rahu / Ketu > are always vakri ? Also in Jaimini sutras , the Maharshi mentions > that for couting agralas by Ketu , anti zodiacal is the > direction .. !! > > comments please > > humble regards, > Chandan S sabarwal. > , " Rohiniranjan " > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > It is not just nodes, dear sir but for all planets that griha > spashta > > (true positions) must be utilized for astrology. > > > > Why -- have you found somewhere written that madhyama positions of > > nodes specifically should only be utilized? > > > > RR > > > > , " chandan486 " > > <wavelogix+jyotishremedies@> wrote: > > > > > > ||aum namah shivaya|| > > > > > > Dear Rohinirajan, > > > > > > namaste. > > > > > > if i may ask , could you please share you *source* , about using > true > > > node method for Rahu / Ketu ? > > > > > > Would definately lead to better understanding , as this Mean/True > > > debate has always been around. > > > > > > humble regards, > > > Chandan S Sabarwal. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2008 Report Share Posted December 17, 2008 Well, let us then gear up for some CAT-LEELA. Smart creatures, playful yet aloof, sweet and affectionate yet sneaky, some level of a sense of humour though devious at times. A cat baited a dog to chase him, and the dog complied. The cat ran with purpose, coming to an abrupt stop, causing the pup to fall down a steep embankment. Poor dog was hurt, but the cat, as if to show he was only kidding, climbed down the embankment and did some pup-talk. How nice!! everyone cheered!! What a game! That was a toast to feline spirit within. A kindle in the (astro) herd is all we need to stop the rummaging and ruminating of the rubble. Best wishes Apoorva Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 ||aum namah shivaya|| dear rohini, namaste ... Its not about what i prefer and stuff ! if i were to go by preferences , then prolly i would never learn the right stuff ... so just was curious enough to know if you have been using true nodes based on your own personal experience? or some traditional teaching? or blindly following references to some classical text ? humble regards, chandan s sabarwal. , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan wrote: > > They are predominantly vakri, way significantly more than any other > planet, hence for counting etc, retrograde counting would be the way > to go. Listen, if you are convinced that you should use true > positions for all planets and mean position for nodes, it is your > choice to use such an exception at your (and your clients') risk, but > it does not fit with the general framework. If it was a valid > exception, such would have been mentioned clearly and directly in the > texts. > > BPHS also says in the beginning that the nodes do not own a sign but > later on says that they have signs etc! Read my article > on " Astrotreasures " for more discrepancies such as that > in " Scriptures " : > http://www.boloji.com/astro/00303.htm > > RR > > , " chandan486 " > <wavelogix+jyotishremedies@> wrote: > > > > ||aum namah shivaya|| > > > > dear rohini, > > namaste... > > > > if i remember correctly , dosent the BHPS mention , that Rahu / > Ketu > > are always vakri ? Also in Jaimini sutras , the Maharshi mentions > > that for couting agralas by Ketu , anti zodiacal is the > > direction .. !! > > > > comments please > > > > humble regards, > > Chandan S sabarwal. > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > > > It is not just nodes, dear sir but for all planets that griha > > spashta > > > (true positions) must be utilized for astrology. > > > > > > Why -- have you found somewhere written that madhyama positions > of > > > nodes specifically should only be utilized? > > > > > > RR > > > > > > , " chandan486 " > > > <wavelogix+jyotishremedies@> wrote: > > > > > > > > ||aum namah shivaya|| > > > > > > > > Dear Rohinirajan, > > > > > > > > namaste. > > > > > > > > if i may ask , could you please share you *source* , about > using > > true > > > > node method for Rahu / Ketu ? > > > > > > > > Would definately lead to better understanding , as this > Mean/True > > > > debate has always been around. > > > > > > > > humble regards, > > > > Chandan S Sabarwal. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 Chandan, You asked three questions. You would not have asked the 3rd question if you took the time to even browse through my article for which the URL was given (303.htm) :-) As to the rest, if you are indeed sincerely interested, I would recommend that you test it in a few charts and come to your own conclusions. You will find that more satisfying I am sure. As to Jyotish and its 'traditions' -- perhaps we can discuss that some other time because it seems like there are so many ;-) RR , " chandan486 " <wavelogix+jyotishremedies wrote: > > ||aum namah shivaya|| > > dear rohini, > namaste ... > > Its not about what i prefer and stuff ! if i were to go by > preferences , then prolly i would never learn the right stuff ... so > just was curious enough to know if you have been using true nodes > based on your own personal experience? or some traditional teaching? > or blindly following references to some classical text ? > > humble regards, > chandan s sabarwal. > > , " Rohiniranjan " > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > They are predominantly vakri, way significantly more than any other > > planet, hence for counting etc, retrograde counting would be the > way > > to go. Listen, if you are convinced that you should use true > > positions for all planets and mean position for nodes, it is your > > choice to use such an exception at your (and your clients') risk, > but > > it does not fit with the general framework. If it was a valid > > exception, such would have been mentioned clearly and directly in > the > > texts. > > > > BPHS also says in the beginning that the nodes do not own a sign > but > > later on says that they have signs etc! Read my article > > on " Astrotreasures " for more discrepancies such as that > > in " Scriptures " : > > http://www.boloji.com/astro/00303.htm > > > > RR > > > > , " chandan486 " > > <wavelogix+jyotishremedies@> wrote: > > > > > > ||aum namah shivaya|| > > > > > > dear rohini, > > > namaste... > > > > > > if i remember correctly , dosent the BHPS mention , that Rahu / > > Ketu > > > are always vakri ? Also in Jaimini sutras , the Maharshi mentions > > > that for couting agralas by Ketu , anti zodiacal is the > > > direction .. !! > > > > > > comments please > > > > > > humble regards, > > > Chandan S sabarwal. > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > It is not just nodes, dear sir but for all planets that griha > > > spashta > > > > (true positions) must be utilized for astrology. > > > > > > > > Why -- have you found somewhere written that madhyama positions > > of > > > > nodes specifically should only be utilized? > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > , " chandan486 " > > > > <wavelogix+jyotishremedies@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > ||aum namah shivaya|| > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohinirajan, > > > > > > > > > > namaste. > > > > > > > > > > if i may ask , could you please share you *source* , about > > using > > > true > > > > > node method for Rahu / Ketu ? > > > > > > > > > > Would definately lead to better understanding , as this > > Mean/True > > > > > debate has always been around. > > > > > > > > > > humble regards, > > > > > Chandan S Sabarwal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 Trust our minds to look for illusions everywhere! If I were looking for truth, I would pick up ‘true’ first and if that is not available, I look for ‘averages’. It is as simple as it can be.. We do not need any classical sanction to adopt what is said to be ‘true’. If we were to take mean motions of all planets, we would have to forgo a lot of nuances so useful in predictive. If an atichari Saturn can have a special meaning, why not rahu who is said to have fangs and spews venom. Apoorva Connect with friends all over the world. Get India Messenger at http://in.messenger./?wm=n/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 Dear Apporva/Neelam gupta, what is ur real identity/name will help if we know right name in case for some reason u want b known differently it did not surprise me as u did write to if I was the moderator here, which no new member ever did daily many sign up and not all do post max ppl may in approved memberships do state why they want to enroll in a group this is a free to enroll group from day one so no permissions r required. and even then no one addresses it to anyone as U did to me, if u have been here earlier also in any other name/ID please let me know no problem as of now ur contribution is good i do follow them up -read them as I have to read and passs messages of FORTUNATELY JUST NEW MEMBERS POST APR 28 08. if I had to read all it is a mountain. PERSONALLY I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH THIS just want a clarification please remember I state again I HAVE NO ISSUES WITH THIS AS LONG AS ASTROLOGY REMAINS THE CURRENCY HERE for clarity wanted to know the questions I raised. prashant ________________________________ neelam gupta <neelamgupta106 Thursday, December 18, 2008 8:12:53 PM Re: Re: Mean Nodes or True Nodes Trust our minds to look for illusions everywhere! If I were looking for truth, I would pick up ¡true¢ first and if that is not available, I look for ¡averages¢. It is as simple as it can be.. We do not need any classical sanction to adopt what is said to be ¡true¢. If we were to take mean motions of all planets, we would have to forgo a lot of nuances so useful in predictive. If an atichari Saturn can have a special meaning, why not rahu who is said to have fangs and spews venom. Apoorva Connect with friends all over the world. Get India Messenger at http://in.messenger ./ ?wm=n/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2008 Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 Dear Prashant ji, What have I done that merits such a reaction? You've almost issued a charge-sheet against me! I hope there was no offensive comment in my posts. Or did I stain the decorum of your forum? What is in a name? A rose by any name would smell as sweet, but I have an identity crisis now, thanks . I will be happy to clarify your doubts and even further doubts if any. Please find my replies to all your questions as below: what is ur real identity/name will help if we know right name in case for some reason u want be known differently. Well, my real name, (as you mean to say) is Neelam Gupta and have been a silent member of your group for a long time normally reading some interesting posts off and on. I contribute regularly in AIA Forum as many in the group would know. Even while surfing with my blinkers on, caught some vibes (read virus) from this group and was motivated to write here. What happens to the radio signals if there is no one to catch them? I wrote in a different name (Apoorva) as I didn't want any biased reactions from the members who know me. Cats are the most intelligent creatures but in their overconfidence they mess up sometimes, so did I, not used to multiple IDs!! Nonetheless, it was good fun. //it did not surprise me as u did write to if I was the moderator here, which no new member ever did daily many sign up and not all do post max ppl may in approved memberships do state why they want to enroll in a group this is a free to enroll group from day one so no permissions r required.// This only shows my fair intentions. I didn't think name was so important as long as actions and intentions are pure. //and even then no one addresses it to anyone as U did to me, if u have been here earlier also in any other name/ID please let me know no problem.// Hope it is clear now. //as of now ur contribution is good i do follow them up - read them as I have to read and passs messages of FORTUNATELY JUST NEW MEMBERS POST APR 28 08. if I had to read all it is a mountain// I know, wish I had interacted a little more before the beans were spilled. //PERSONALLY I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH THIS just want a clarification please remember I state again I HAVE NO ISSUES WITH THIS AS LONG AS ASTROLOGY REMAINS THE CURRENCY HERE for clarity wanted to know the questions I raised.// Hope I have clarified every thing. Astrology is the currency, but do we have the eyes to tell apart the fake and the real? What is more important, title or the content? I apologise for any inconvenience caused to you or anyone else. Hope there are no ill feelings. There is always place on the other side of the fence, and the virus does not see the fence. Best Wishes Neelam Gupta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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