Guest guest Posted December 12, 2008 Report Share Posted December 12, 2008 Dear RRji, well said I was wondering till now why u did not post this reply as WHENEVER I MADE A REQUEST ALSO in the past u had given similar replies. my approach has been always a mixed one on and off I did some technical info write ups as the concept of analysis must be visible at times and many have also expressed NO INTEREST in them too so A MIDDLE GROUND is best but i agree with ur line that talking debating topics, concepts can be a way for ppl to know an astrologers depth as pt dakshinamurthy ji pv narshima rao ji, pt arjun ji do. gives a lot of scope for their research and presentations to be seen. i had posted a few on DUSTHANAS,, GURU-SUKRA mundane, weather etc whenever time premited apart from chart readings. sure we do have a role in shaping GEN NEXT astrologers but we can't create them we can max guide the ones already in the highway what A V Pathi ji said today is too much for comfort that a forum itself is being graded by some unknown authorities or faces who keep judgin geveryone in this world unless we have a a body like ICAS which did plan to streamline most jyotish principles like in MEDICINE under one body like ICMR agriculture under ICAR etc we can't expect a benchmark too many fronts, assosiations NOW INTERNET GROUPS so and the greatest joke is all the most noisy elements had formed a group and there they r pretending to be saints and in other places they may on and off be discrediting others dear AV PATHI ji I am not including u in such a list of noisy members so no offence meant please prashant I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's OTHER. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. /database?method=reportRows & tbl=6 ________________________________ Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan Friday, December 12, 2008 5:56:21 AM Re: Predictions Dear All, It is absurd to expect that on a free forum where readings are given as a gift, if not charity, with no expressed ulterior motive an astrologer would feel the need to go into technical details or turn this into a teachingining exercise! Maybe some of the people jumping newly into the field and eager to make a name for themselves may fall for such lines ;-) Please understand that I am not at all tolerant of fakes and scam artists which Jyotish has its fair share, as too any other profession, but unfortunately, people who would post their requests all over the place, sometimes in triplicate are pretty much on their own! In fact I feel that way for all internet readings because of the indirect nature of it. Even those who work in chat mode -- what is the guarantee that the venerable sounding person at the other end is not a scam artist? I hear the horror experiences of many individuals and it saddens me. The best way to show one's scholarship and create confidence in people is to devote time in doing research and through your writings etc provide evidence that one knows jyotish and is serious about it. It is not an overnight process and many jyotishis may not have the time or interest or dedication to do that. To each his own! RR , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@. ..> wrote: > > Dear Pathi ji, > > I have tried myself to requesting members to write some tech info in their analysis as both professionals, students r reading it and also the need for lay members to know they r not beeing goofed by some jargon if they meet someone anywhere in the wide world, > a min level is required as many r not keen either to know u can search such ppl too who want in plain English the message > > this is true of all traditional areas even marriage how many r willing to sit thru the entire routine most want photo appearences in select traditional scenes say saptapadi, [saat phere] the mangala sutra daan, earlier kanya daan some the thread ceremony > > many r not invoking the ancestors blessings or the full lenght of a wedding so r the longevity of such marriages too > > blame lines in both the pursants and querriests > > prashant > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's OTHER. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRows & tbl=6 > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > venkatachala pathi <pathiav > > ; > Thursday, December 11, 2008 8:53:31 PM > Predictions > > > Members: > > I am shocked to read some of the 'predictions' given in this open forum, without basis or under specific rules accepted in Hindu (Vedic) Astrology. No explanations for such predictions are given also. > God only have to save all, including Astrologers. I am also not certain that 'Moderaters' read these mail which are allowed to be posted, which could damage many lives, > and their families. > > A.V.Pathi, > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2008 Report Share Posted December 12, 2008 Kumar ji, I have always been very consistent with my message, if you care to recall! I detest the superficial way in which people jump to conclusions and begin judging others (even if the " others " did not include me, hopefully). If we were such great judges who can judge the calibre and scholarship of an astrologer by reading snippets of messages or some bits and pieces of astrological reasoning or the other suggestion that we should all carry a 'tail-piece' which flaunts our degrees or qualifications etc then truth be told, I have seen such half a mile-long tails with degrees from obscure universities and sanskrit sounding degrees whose sole recipient in the world were probably them and their brother led the convocation! Now this must not be misconstrued to mean that all astrologers do that! At the same time, I must point out that in principle I am not against the theme which Mr. Pathi posted his frustrations about. Indeed one should be sensitive about giving readings. I recently posted my responses to a couple of querrants who were asking about a suicidal individual and another one with medical problem. My initial response was to ascertain that they were not solely relying on astrologers and avoiding treatment by a health care provider! But despite our best intentions, no one can legislate if practitioners do not use sensitivity and in some cases common sense! When people begin demanding things and try to pose as police-men and encroach on the basic freedom of others to participate and express and by doing so begin to patronize the nativity, such an attitude I cannot tolerate. Truth be told and I have had feedback from many over the decades that I have given to jyotish -- most people ask for advice but are not so " kaccha " or 'bachchaa' that they will run and do what the astrologer tells them. Indians in particular are very practical and grounded in that respect. They should not be treated like children and should not be patronized, particularly by astrologers of indian origin! I realize some are superstitious and so on, but please give credit to the intelligence of your clients, free or paying!! RR , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: > > Dear RRji, > > well said I was wondering till now why u did not post this reply as WHENEVER I MADE A REQUEST ALSO in the past u had given similar replies. > > my approach has been always a mixed one on and off I did some technical info write ups as the concept of analysis must be visible at times and many have also expressed NO INTEREST in them too so A MIDDLE GROUND is best but > > i agree with ur line that talking debating topics, concepts can be a way for ppl to know an astrologers depth as pt dakshinamurthy ji pv narshima rao ji, pt arjun ji do. gives a lot of scope for their research and presentations to be seen. > > i had posted a few on DUSTHANAS,, GURU-SUKRA mundane, weather etc whenever time premited > apart from chart readings. sure we do have a role in shaping GEN NEXT astrologers but we can't create them we can max guide the ones already in the highway > > > what A V Pathi ji said today is too much for comfort that a forum itself is being graded by some unknown authorities or faces who keep judgin geveryone in this world unless we have a a body like ICAS which did plan to streamline most jyotish principles like in MEDICINE under one body like ICMR agriculture under ICAR etc we can't expect a benchmark too many fronts, assosiations NOW INTERNET GROUPS so > > and the greatest joke is all the most noisy elements had formed a group and there they r pretending to be saints and in other places they may on and off be discrediting others > > dear AV PATHI ji I am not including u in such a list of noisy members so no offence meant please > > prashant > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's OTHER. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > /database? method=reportRows & tbl=6 > > > > > > ________________________________ > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan > > Friday, December 12, 2008 5:56:21 AM > Re: Predictions > > > Dear All, > > It is absurd to expect that on a free forum where readings are given > as a gift, if not charity, with no expressed ulterior motive an > astrologer would feel the need to go into technical details or turn > this into a teachingining exercise! > > Maybe some of the people jumping newly into the field and eager to > make a name for themselves may fall for such lines ;-) > > Please understand that I am not at all tolerant of fakes and scam > artists which Jyotish has its fair share, as too any other > profession, but unfortunately, people who would post their requests > all over the place, sometimes in triplicate are pretty much on their > own! In fact I feel that way for all internet readings because of the > indirect nature of it. Even those who work in chat mode -- what is > the guarantee that the venerable sounding person at the other end is > not a scam artist? I hear the horror experiences of many individuals > and it saddens me. > > The best way to show one's scholarship and create confidence in > people is to devote time in doing research and through your writings > etc provide evidence that one knows jyotish and is serious about it. > It is not an overnight process and many jyotishis may not have the > time or interest or dedication to do that. > > To each his own! > > RR > > , Prashant Kumar G B > <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > Dear Pathi ji, > > > > I have tried myself to requesting members to write some tech info > in their analysis as both professionals, students r reading it and > also the need for lay members to know they r not beeing goofed by > some jargon if they meet someone anywhere in the wide world, > > a min level is required as many r not keen either to know u can > search such ppl too who want in plain English the message > > > > this is true of all traditional areas even marriage how many r > willing to sit thru the entire routine most want photo appearences in > select traditional scenes say saptapadi, [saat phere] the mangala > sutra daan, earlier kanya daan some the thread ceremony > > > > many r not invoking the ancestors blessings or the full lenght of a > wedding so r the longevity of such marriages too > > > > blame lines in both the pursants and querriests > > > > prashant > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ > from non Raman's OTHER. Pl provide important dates in ur life while > posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification > provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the > Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or > to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group > for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? > method=reportRows & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > venkatachala pathi <pathiav@ > > > ; > > > Thursday, December 11, 2008 8:53:31 PM > > Predictions > > > > > > Members: > > > > I am shocked to read some of the 'predictions' given in this open > forum, without basis or under specific rules accepted in Hindu > (Vedic) Astrology. No explanations for such predictions are given > also. > > God only have to save all, including Astrologers. I am also not > certain that 'Moderaters' read these mail which are allowed to be > posted, which could damage many lives, > > and their families. > > > > A.V.Pathi, > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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