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Dear RRji,

 

well said I was wondering till now why u did not post this reply as WHENEVER I

MADE A REQUEST ALSO in the past u had given similar replies.

 

my approach has been always a mixed one on and off I did some technical info

write ups as the concept of analysis must be visible at times and many have also

expressed NO INTEREST in them too so A MIDDLE GROUND is best but

 

i agree with ur line that talking debating topics, concepts can be a way for ppl

to know an astrologers depth as pt dakshinamurthy ji pv narshima rao ji, pt

arjun ji do. gives a lot of scope for their research and presentations to be

seen.

 

i had posted a few on DUSTHANAS,, GURU-SUKRA mundane, weather etc whenever time

premited

apart from chart readings. sure we do have a role in shaping GEN NEXT

astrologers but we can't create them we can max guide the ones already in the

highway

 

 

what A V Pathi ji said today is too much for comfort that a forum itself is

being graded by some unknown authorities or faces who keep judgin geveryone in

this world unless we have a a body like ICAS which did plan to streamline most

jyotish principles like in MEDICINE under one body like ICMR agriculture under

ICAR etc we can't expect a benchmark too many fronts, assosiations NOW INTERNET

GROUPS so

 

and the greatest joke is all the most noisy elements had formed a group and

there they r pretending to be saints and in other places they may on and off be

discrediting others

 

dear AV PATHI ji I am not including u in such a list of noisy members so no

offence meant please

 

prashant

 

 

I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non

Raman's OTHER. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur

birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures

folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder.

Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see

Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

/database?method=reportRows & tbl=6

 

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan

 

Friday, December 12, 2008 5:56:21 AM

Re: Predictions

 

 

Dear All,

 

It is absurd to expect that on a free forum where readings are given

as a gift, if not charity, with no expressed ulterior motive an

astrologer would feel the need to go into technical details or turn

this into a teachingining exercise!

 

Maybe some of the people jumping newly into the field and eager to

make a name for themselves may fall for such lines ;-)

 

Please understand that I am not at all tolerant of fakes and scam

artists which Jyotish has its fair share, as too any other

profession, but unfortunately, people who would post their requests

all over the place, sometimes in triplicate are pretty much on their

own! In fact I feel that way for all internet readings because of the

indirect nature of it. Even those who work in chat mode -- what is

the guarantee that the venerable sounding person at the other end is

not a scam artist? I hear the horror experiences of many individuals

and it saddens me.

 

The best way to show one's scholarship and create confidence in

people is to devote time in doing research and through your writings

etc provide evidence that one knows jyotish and is serious about it.

It is not an overnight process and many jyotishis may not have the

time or interest or dedication to do that.

 

To each his own!

 

RR

 

, Prashant Kumar G B

<gbp_kumar@. ..> wrote:

>

> Dear Pathi ji,

>

> I have tried myself to requesting members to write some tech info

in their analysis as both professionals, students r reading it and

also the need for lay members to know they r not beeing goofed by

some jargon if they meet someone anywhere in the wide world,

> a min level is required as many r not keen either to know u can

search such ppl too who want in plain English the message

>

> this is true of all traditional areas even marriage how many r

willing to sit thru the entire routine most want photo appearences in

select traditional scenes say saptapadi, [saat phere] the mangala

sutra daan, earlier kanya daan some the thread ceremony

>

> many r not invoking the ancestors blessings or the full lenght of a

wedding so r the longevity of such marriages too

>

> blame lines in both the pursants and querriests

>

> prashant

>

> I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ

from non Raman's OTHER. Pl provide important dates in ur life while

posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification

provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the

Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or

to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group

for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database?

method=reportRows & tbl=6

>

>

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> venkatachala pathi <pathiav >

> ;

 

> Thursday, December 11, 2008 8:53:31 PM

> Predictions

>

>

> Members:

>

> I am shocked to read some of the 'predictions' given in this open

forum, without basis or under specific rules accepted in Hindu

(Vedic) Astrology. No explanations for such predictions are given

also.

> God only have to save all, including Astrologers. I am also not

certain that 'Moderaters' read these mail which are allowed to be

posted, which could damage many lives,

> and their families.

>

> A.V.Pathi,

>

>

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Kumar ji,

 

I have always been very consistent with my message, if you care to

recall! I detest the superficial way in which people jump to

conclusions and begin judging others (even if the " others " did not

include me, hopefully). If we were such great judges who can judge

the calibre and scholarship of an astrologer by reading snippets of

messages or some bits and pieces of astrological reasoning or the

other suggestion that we should all carry a 'tail-piece' which

flaunts our degrees or qualifications etc then truth be told, I have

seen such half a mile-long tails with degrees from obscure

universities and sanskrit sounding degrees whose sole recipient in

the world were probably them and their brother led the convocation!

 

Now this must not be misconstrued to mean that all astrologers do

that!

 

At the same time, I must point out that in principle I am not against

the theme which Mr. Pathi posted his frustrations about. Indeed one

should be sensitive about giving readings. I recently posted my

responses to a couple of querrants who were asking about a suicidal

individual and another one with medical problem. My initial response

was to ascertain that they were not solely relying on astrologers and

avoiding treatment by a health care provider! But despite our best

intentions, no one can legislate if practitioners do not use

sensitivity and in some cases common sense!

 

When people begin demanding things and try to pose as police-men and

encroach on the basic freedom of others to participate and express

and by doing so begin to patronize the nativity, such an attitude I

cannot tolerate.

 

Truth be told and I have had feedback from many over the decades that

I have given to jyotish -- most people ask for advice but are not

so " kaccha " or 'bachchaa' that they will run and do what the

astrologer tells them. Indians in particular are very practical and

grounded in that respect. They should not be treated like children

and should not be patronized, particularly by astrologers of indian

origin! I realize some are superstitious and so on, but please give

credit to the intelligence of your clients, free or paying!!

 

RR

 

, Prashant Kumar G B

<gbp_kumar wrote:

>

> Dear RRji,

>

> well said I was wondering till now why u did not post this reply as

WHENEVER I MADE A REQUEST ALSO in the past u had given similar

replies.

>

> my approach has been always a mixed one on and off I did some

technical info write ups as the concept of analysis must be visible

at times and many have also expressed NO INTEREST in them too so A

MIDDLE GROUND is best but

>

> i agree with ur line that talking debating topics, concepts can be

a way for ppl to know an astrologers depth as pt dakshinamurthy ji

pv narshima rao ji, pt arjun ji do. gives a lot of scope for their

research and presentations to be seen.

>

> i had posted a few on DUSTHANAS,, GURU-SUKRA mundane, weather etc

whenever time premited

> apart from chart readings. sure we do have a role in shaping GEN

NEXT astrologers but we can't create them we can max guide the ones

already in the highway

>

>

> what A V Pathi ji said today is too much for comfort that a forum

itself is being graded by some unknown authorities or faces who keep

judgin geveryone in this world unless we have a a body like ICAS

which did plan to streamline most jyotish principles like in MEDICINE

under one body like ICMR agriculture under ICAR etc we can't expect a

benchmark too many fronts, assosiations NOW INTERNET GROUPS so

>

> and the greatest joke is all the most noisy elements had formed a

group and there they r pretending to be saints and in other places

they may on and off be discrediting others

>

> dear AV PATHI ji I am not including u in such a list of noisy

members so no offence meant please

>

> prashant

>

>

> I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ

from non Raman's OTHER. Pl provide important dates in ur life while

posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification

provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the

Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or

to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group

for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> /database?

method=reportRows & tbl=6

>

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan

>

> Friday, December 12, 2008 5:56:21 AM

> Re: Predictions

>

>

> Dear All,

>

> It is absurd to expect that on a free forum where readings are

given

> as a gift, if not charity, with no expressed ulterior motive an

> astrologer would feel the need to go into technical details or turn

> this into a teachingining exercise!

>

> Maybe some of the people jumping newly into the field and eager to

> make a name for themselves may fall for such lines ;-)

>

> Please understand that I am not at all tolerant of fakes and scam

> artists which Jyotish has its fair share, as too any other

> profession, but unfortunately, people who would post their requests

> all over the place, sometimes in triplicate are pretty much on

their

> own! In fact I feel that way for all internet readings because of

the

> indirect nature of it. Even those who work in chat mode -- what is

> the guarantee that the venerable sounding person at the other end

is

> not a scam artist? I hear the horror experiences of many

individuals

> and it saddens me.

>

> The best way to show one's scholarship and create confidence in

> people is to devote time in doing research and through your

writings

> etc provide evidence that one knows jyotish and is serious about

it.

> It is not an overnight process and many jyotishis may not have the

> time or interest or dedication to do that.

>

> To each his own!

>

> RR

>

> , Prashant Kumar G B

> <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Pathi ji,

> >

> > I have tried myself to requesting members to write some tech info

> in their analysis as both professionals, students r reading it and

> also the need for lay members to know they r not beeing goofed by

> some jargon if they meet someone anywhere in the wide world,

> > a min level is required as many r not keen either to know u can

> search such ppl too who want in plain English the message

> >

> > this is true of all traditional areas even marriage how many r

> willing to sit thru the entire routine most want photo appearences

in

> select traditional scenes say saptapadi, [saat phere] the mangala

> sutra daan, earlier kanya daan some the thread ceremony

> >

> > many r not invoking the ancestors blessings or the full lenght of

a

> wedding so r the longevity of such marriages too

> >

> > blame lines in both the pursants and querriests

> >

> > prashant

> >

> > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will

differ

> from non Raman's OTHER. Pl provide important dates in ur life

while

> posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification

> provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the

> Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group

or

> to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group

> for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database?

> method=reportRows & tbl=6

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > venkatachala pathi <pathiav@ >

> > ;

>

> > Thursday, December 11, 2008 8:53:31 PM

> > Predictions

> >

> >

> > Members:

> >

> > I am shocked to read some of the 'predictions' given in this open

> forum, without basis or under specific rules accepted in Hindu

> (Vedic) Astrology. No explanations for such predictions are given

> also.

> > God only have to save all, including Astrologers. I am also not

> certain that 'Moderaters' read these mail which are allowed to be

> posted, which could damage many lives,

> > and their families.

> >

> > A.V.Pathi,

> >

> >

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