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Dear Pandit Arjun ji,

If horoscope matching is done only for orthodox family then, does it mean that

almost 90% people who are from low level need not need a horoscope match. As i

understood from all the lessons i came across, the impact of the planets are

equal for king as well as the farmer. Each may be having a poorva punya as well

as a shaabha according to their past life. So if there is a kuja dosha in a

person, no matter who he is (an orthodox or a unorthodox) he will suffer for

that kujadosha in his life.

This is just my understanding. please correct me if i am wrong.

Is there any twisted meaning in what you have told. I mean you would not have

written this mail simply. You must be having some reference. So according to

that is there any special reason, why an orthodox persons horoscope should be

matched for marriage.

Other than this i am more interested to know the second part of this..... why

the other 7 types are not considered while they are also getting affected by

this.

 

{Note : I am not expecting a reply for this....... I had an important time in my

life, a time to take an important decision(Marriage). I was in a confusion

regarding horoscope matching. I asked for reference and help in this forum.

Since i am not sitting under a roof and learning astrology with them, people

never considered me as an astrology student. Well i can understand you guys. You

dont want to make this forum a mess....... But we all have life and our life has

no CTRL+Z. Hope you guys always keep this in mind.....HATS OFF}

 

 Prasad.S.S

 

--- On Sun, 12/7/08, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote:

 

panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004

[vedic astrology] horoscopes matching for marriage

vedic astrology

Sunday, December 7, 2008, 2:50 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

dear friends

 

most people lay too much emphasis on matching the horoscopes of the

boy and girl before marriage and the ways of matching vary from one

region to another.

 

however, members may note that according to manusmriti, there are

eight types of marriage viz. brahma, daiva, arsha, prajapatya, asura,

gandharva, rakshasa and paisacha.

 

out of all these eight types of marriages, horoscope matching is done

only in the first form viz. brahma which is the orthodox traditional

arranged marriage.

 

in all other seven forms of marriage, horoscope matching does not

arise, for these seven types of marriage happen even if the horoscopes

do not match.

 

with best wishes and blessings

pandit arjun

www.rudraksharemedy .com

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Panditji,

 

In my ant's view what has gone amiss is the overreliance on kootas (8

and 10). I think many jyotishis took the western term, " syn-astry "

too literally and ran with it!

 

Western astrologers on the other hand, took planets other than

the 'lights' into consideration but were using a different 'starry

background' for that consideration.

 

How many jyotishis when doing a melapak actually look at the relevant

indicators such as navamsha, lagnesh, saptamesh, AK, DK, P12, P7, P1,

Venus, Mars, L1, L7; their dispositors, dasas, syn-yogas and more...?

 

Present *company* on this erudite forum excepted, of course...

 

Rohiniranjan

 

 

vedic astrology , " panditarjun2004 "

<panditarjun2004 wrote:

>

> dear friends

>

> most people lay too much emphasis on matching the horoscopes of the

> boy and girl before marriage and the ways of matching vary from one

> region to another.

>

> however, members may note that according to manusmriti, there are

> eight types of marriage viz. brahma, daiva, arsha, prajapatya,

asura,

> gandharva, rakshasa and paisacha.

>

> out of all these eight types of marriages, horoscope matching is

done

> only in the first form viz. brahma which is the orthodox traditional

> arranged marriage.

>

> in all other seven forms of marriage, horoscope matching does not

> arise, for these seven types of marriage happen even if the

horoscopes

> do not match.

>

> with best wishes and blessings

> pandit arjun

> www.rudraksharemedy.com

>

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Hmm...!

I was curious and did press CTRL and Z and nothing happened or

occurred!

 

Please explain...!

 

Rohiniranjan

 

 

vedic astrology , pra sad <prassad_ss

wrote:

>

>

>

>

> Dear Pandit Arjun ji,

> If horoscope matching is done only for orthodox family then, does

it mean that almost 90% people who are from low level need not need a

horoscope match. As i understood from all the lessons i came across,

the impact of the planets are equal for king as well as the farmer.

Each may be having a poorva punya as well as a shaabha according to

their past life. So if there is a kuja dosha in a person, no matter

who he is (an orthodox or a unorthodox) he will suffer for that

kujadosha in his life.

> This is just my understanding. please correct me if i am wrong.

> Is there any twisted meaning in what you have told. I mean you

would not have written this mail simply. You must be having some

reference. So according to that is there any special reason, why an

orthodox persons horoscope should be matched for marriage.

> Other than this i am more interested to know the second part of

this..... why the other 7 types are not considered while they are

also getting affected by this.

>  

> {Note : I am not expecting a reply for this....... I had an

important time in my life, a time to take an important decision

(Marriage). I was in a confusion regarding horoscope matching. I

asked for reference and help in this forum. Since i am not

sitting under a roof and learning astrology with them, people never

considered me as an astrology student. Well i can understand you

guys. You dont want to make this forum a mess....... But we all have

life and our life has no CTRL+Z. Hope you guys always keep this in

mind.....HATS OFF}

>  

>  Prasad.S.S

>

> --- On Sun, 12/7/08, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote:

>

> panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004

> [vedic astrology] horoscopes matching for marriage

> vedic astrology

> Sunday, December 7, 2008, 2:50 PM

dear friends

>

> most people lay too much emphasis on matching the horoscopes of the

> boy and girl before marriage and the ways of matching vary from one

> region to another.

>

> however, members may note that according to manusmriti, there are

> eight types of marriage viz. brahma, daiva, arsha, prajapatya,

asura,

> gandharva, rakshasa and paisacha.

>

> out of all these eight types of marriages, horoscope matching is

done

> only in the first form viz. brahma which is the orthodox traditional

> arranged marriage.

>

> in all other seven forms of marriage, horoscope matching does not

> arise, for these seven types of marriage happen even if the

horoscopes

> do not match.

>

> with best wishes and blessings

> pandit arjun

> www.rudraksharemedy .com

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

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dear friend

 

your question may be split into two.

 

first is the applicability of planetary influence to all humans alike

and hence the necessity of matching horoscopes as a must before

marriage.

 

second is the happening of a marriage, performance of a marriage or

getting married under this or that situation, notwithstanding the

planetary influences. whether the horsocopes match or dont match,

marriages under all these seven categories happen.

 

the first part is for the believers and not for the scientists,

rationalists, athiests and those having a blend of both east and

west. the biggest influence of matchmaking in this category is that

marriages are arranged by the parents and, if the horoscopes do not

match as per the advice of the astrologer, the marriage proposal is

declined even if the proposal seems the best on various parameters on

face value.

 

the second part has numerous occassions where the girl is obligated

to marry a person in response to a favour done to her, the parents or

the guardians perform the marriage as per their obligation or will,

the person marrying simply gets her as a result of winning the girls

parents and demand the girl (kings do get the queens of all those

kingdoms who are won by them), the boy and girl notwithstanding age,

caste and religion simply like each other and start livein as

married, boy and girl not getting approval from parents get married

in registered court or aryasamaj (oft termed as love marriage), the

boy buys the girl with gifts or money or favours even if the girl is

not interested, the boy rapes the girl and then marries to escape

from punishment and other reasons where simply the marriage happens

and not through matching the horoscopes.

 

due to the kaliyuga lakshana, marriages arranged throughh traditional

matchmaking are in minority and even in that minority, many matches

performed after perfectly matched by best astrologers and tying the

nuptial knot in the most auspicious muhurta of the year too got

broken with divorce, separation or early widowhood due to untimely

death of the spouse etc.

 

in view of the above, my mail was throwing light on the utility or

futility of matchmaking and am not throwing light on the

applicability part at all which, of course, is same to all believers

and disbelievers alike.

 

with best wishes and blessings

pandit arjun

www.rudraksharemedy.com

 

vedic astrology , pra sad <prassad_ss

wrote:

>

>

>

>

> Dear Pandit Arjun ji,

> If horoscope matching is done only for orthodox family then, does

it mean that almost 90% people who are from low level need not need a

horoscope match. As i understood from all the lessons i came across,

the impact of the planets are equal for king as well as the farmer.

Each may be having a poorva punya as well as a shaabha according to

their past life. So if there is a kuja dosha in a person, no matter

who he is (an orthodox or a unorthodox) he will suffer for that

kujadosha in his life.

> This is just my understanding. please correct me if i am wrong.

> Is there any twisted meaning in what you have told. I mean you

would not have written this mail simply. You must be having some

reference. So according to that is there any special reason, why an

orthodox persons horoscope should be matched for marriage.

> Other than this i am more interested to know the second part of

this..... why the other 7 types are not considered while they are

also getting affected by this.

>  

> {Note : I am not expecting a reply for this....... I had an

important time in my life, a time to take an important decision

(Marriage). I was in a confusion regarding horoscope matching. I

asked for reference and help in this forum. Since i am not

sitting under a roof and learning astrology with them, people never

considered me as an astrology student. Well i can understand you

guys. You dont want to make this forum a mess....... But we all have

life and our life has no CTRL+Z. Hope you guys always keep this in

mind.....HATS OFF}

>  

>  Prasad.S.S

>

> --- On Sun, 12/7/08, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote:

>

> panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004

> [vedic astrology] horoscopes matching for marriage

> vedic astrology

> Sunday, December 7, 2008, 2:50 PM

dear friends

>

> most people lay too much emphasis on matching the horoscopes of the

> boy and girl before marriage and the ways of matching vary from one

> region to another.

>

> however, members may note that according to manusmriti, there are

> eight types of marriage viz. brahma, daiva, arsha, prajapatya,

asura,

> gandharva, rakshasa and paisacha.

>

> out of all these eight types of marriages, horoscope matching is

done

> only in the first form viz. brahma which is the orthodox traditional

> arranged marriage.

>

> in all other seven forms of marriage, horoscope matching does not

> arise, for these seven types of marriage happen even if the

horoscopes

> do not match.

>

> with best wishes and blessings

> pandit arjun

> www.rudraksharemedy .com

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

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dear RRji

 

yes, here we are discussing the utility or applicability part of

matching the horoscopes for the believers.

 

you are correct about the various things to be considered in

horoscope matching, as detailed in your mail. the old traditional

family astrologers used to and do consider all these issues before

giving their nod for getting married purely based on horoscopes. the

significance of horoscope matching in this manner is that marriage is

not performed if the horoscopes do not match.

 

however, these days matchmaking is restricted to referring a table in

a panchang or seeing the points in a software and to see the score of

gunas and kootas etc. few astrologers check the chart, navamsha,

kalatrakarakas venus and jupiter, mangaldosha etc. even after

horoscopes are matched, the astrologer checks the running dasa,

gochara and other time influencing factors and sometimes marriage is

delayed if the timing is not conducive.

 

i have seen some natives under the incorrect advice by their

astrologers or with their own understanding, branded themselves as

manglik and advertise them for marriage only under manglik header and

in many cases, they are not manglik and the mangal dosha got

cancelled. even though they miss getting better proposals, they are

happy to search someone under the same manglik label for fear of the

fiery mangal.

 

with best wishes and blessings

pandit arjun

www.rudraksharemedy.com

 

vedic astrology , " Rohiniranjan "

<jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> Panditji,

>

> In my ant's view what has gone amiss is the overreliance on kootas

(8

> and 10). I think many jyotishis took the western term, " syn-astry "

> too literally and ran with it!

>

> Western astrologers on the other hand, took planets other than

> the 'lights' into consideration but were using a different 'starry

> background' for that consideration.

>

> How many jyotishis when doing a melapak actually look at the

relevant

> indicators such as navamsha, lagnesh, saptamesh, AK, DK, P12, P7,

P1,

> Venus, Mars, L1, L7; their dispositors, dasas, syn-yogas and

more...?

>

> Present *company* on this erudite forum excepted, of course...

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

>

> vedic astrology , " panditarjun2004 "

> <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> >

> > dear friends

> >

> > most people lay too much emphasis on matching the horoscopes of

the

> > boy and girl before marriage and the ways of matching vary from

one

> > region to another.

> >

> > however, members may note that according to manusmriti, there are

> > eight types of marriage viz. brahma, daiva, arsha, prajapatya,

> asura,

> > gandharva, rakshasa and paisacha.

> >

> > out of all these eight types of marriages, horoscope matching is

> done

> > only in the first form viz. brahma which is the orthodox

traditional

> > arranged marriage.

> >

> > in all other seven forms of marriage, horoscope matching does not

> > arise, for these seven types of marriage happen even if the

> horoscopes

> > do not match.

> >

> > with best wishes and blessings

> > pandit arjun

> > www.rudraksharemedy.com

> >

>

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Dear Arjunji,

 

I hope you also get a chance to read my response at the

Jyotish_remedies site where you reposted your message here that I

responded to. I hope my response to you there goes beyond the

tradtional and the *tired*!

 

 

Rohiniranjan

 

vedic astrology , " panditarjun2004 "

<panditarjun2004 wrote:

>

> dear RRji

>

> yes, here we are discussing the utility or applicability part of

> matching the horoscopes for the believers.

>

> you are correct about the various things to be considered in

> horoscope matching, as detailed in your mail. the old traditional

> family astrologers used to and do consider all these issues before

> giving their nod for getting married purely based on horoscopes.

the

> significance of horoscope matching in this manner is that marriage

is

> not performed if the horoscopes do not match.

>

> however, these days matchmaking is restricted to referring a table

in

> a panchang or seeing the points in a software and to see the score

of

> gunas and kootas etc. few astrologers check the chart, navamsha,

> kalatrakarakas venus and jupiter, mangaldosha etc. even after

> horoscopes are matched, the astrologer checks the running dasa,

> gochara and other time influencing factors and sometimes marriage

is

> delayed if the timing is not conducive.

>

> i have seen some natives under the incorrect advice by their

> astrologers or with their own understanding, branded themselves as

> manglik and advertise them for marriage only under manglik header

and

> in many cases, they are not manglik and the mangal dosha got

> cancelled. even though they miss getting better proposals, they

are

> happy to search someone under the same manglik label for fear of

the

> fiery mangal.

>

> with best wishes and blessings

> pandit arjun

> www.rudraksharemedy.com

>

> vedic astrology , " Rohiniranjan "

> <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > Panditji,

> >

> > In my ant's view what has gone amiss is the overreliance on

kootas

> (8

> > and 10). I think many jyotishis took the western term, " syn-

astry "

> > too literally and ran with it!

> >

> > Western astrologers on the other hand, took planets other than

> > the 'lights' into consideration but were using a

different 'starry

> > background' for that consideration.

> >

> > How many jyotishis when doing a melapak actually look at the

> relevant

> > indicators such as navamsha, lagnesh, saptamesh, AK, DK, P12, P7,

> P1,

> > Venus, Mars, L1, L7; their dispositors, dasas, syn-yogas and

> more...?

> >

> > Present *company* on this erudite forum excepted, of course...

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology , " panditarjun2004 "

> > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > >

> > > dear friends

> > >

> > > most people lay too much emphasis on matching the horoscopes of

> the

> > > boy and girl before marriage and the ways of matching vary from

> one

> > > region to another.

> > >

> > > however, members may note that according to manusmriti, there

are

> > > eight types of marriage viz. brahma, daiva, arsha, prajapatya,

> > asura,

> > > gandharva, rakshasa and paisacha.

> > >

> > > out of all these eight types of marriages, horoscope matching

is

> > done

> > > only in the first form viz. brahma which is the orthodox

> traditional

> > > arranged marriage.

> > >

> > > in all other seven forms of marriage, horoscope matching does

not

> > > arise, for these seven types of marriage happen even if the

> > horoscopes

> > > do not match.

> > >

> > > with best wishes and blessings

> > > pandit arjun

> > > www.rudraksharemedy.com

> > >

> >

>

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Arjunji,

 

I would not repost my response to you here as well because then it

would become same-o-same-old stuff.

 

So on JR, my request to you (no tongue-in-cheek or posted with

sarcasm or with cynicism or arrogance all of which I have been blamed

wrongly earlier by high and low -- saying that just to clear the air

all around!) is as follows:

 

Please describe and Explain how the following modern conjugal

scenarios would fit in those eight categories as described by Sage

Manu:

 

1. Arranged marriage: With or without the occasional preamble where

boy and girl are allowed to 'meet' under parental supervision! Or

sometimes under slightly lesser 'guard' and with few percentage

higher trust that the two will not misbehave and under the assumption

that the parents would not either and spring a last minute surprise

such as a car or scooter or yacht etc! I have had a personal

experience of this in mid 70s when a very close friend of mine was

getting married in Nagpur and while we friends (who were closer

during the past five years to him than his dad because he lived in a

hostel) were part of the very jovial ceremony we were very

*obviously* eliminated from the " crucial " meeting when the dowry was

being discussed and there were some problems. I have never seen my

friend so upset and helpless ever! And we are not talking about some

guy with no personal strength or no career ahead of him! And the

heart-wrenching thing was that though arranged, he had really grown

to like this girl and now their future was hanging on his father's

whim! Everything turned out alright, but left a sour taste in this

jyotishi's mouth!

 

2. A young man of indian origin, western raising with great

education, carrer and many qualities but who is the sole responsible

for carrying the family name (in Indian tradition). The only son, as

you must have reckoned I am sure! Parents did not have a very good

marriage, though stable (no divorce, just many fights!) and he has

been cohabitating with a few prospective mates far too younger than

him (increasingly so as he ages, gracefully!) and the indian

relatives wait... No kids, by the way!

 

3. The young western woman who had more 'flings' that we would

collectively have the fingers to count! She married once and while

staying married and raising a few children realized that

the 'husband' was permissive and really did not care much for her as

long as she did not come in a dark bottle containing alcohol. Raised

by an overcritical mother who raised her daughter to grow up feeling

a " nothing " ended up raising one who felt 'nothing'. Many affairs

later, many on cyber-reality, she was diagnosed to have Multiple

Sclerosis. I have no clue what eventually happened to her but this

was a long marriage that did not break. I know for sure that

no 'melapak' or synastry was ever done for her and her long-lasting

husband!

 

4. There are so many different variants that boggle the mind and

alarm and hopefully *alert* some of us (people of my vintage at

least -- baby boomer jyotishas!) who have a very narrow and

circumscribed view of what marriage really is in this world of ours!

It would make us halt or at least falter for a moment before we try

to push the dough into the 6 or 7 or 8 or 10 fixed cookie-cutters and

pretend that those are the only options or more importantly

*realities* available!

 

Human beings were sent to this reality to grow, expand and evolve and

if we try to embark on growth with FIXED options, then we are just

living up to the same VISION and mind-set that many chinese parents

d to:

 

Small feet are beautiful

Tie the feet of daughters while their feet are small and STOP their

growth!

 

How much more UNBALANCED can one make others who depend upon one for

their growth and development!

 

Rohiniranjan

 

Afterall , " panditarjun2004 "

<panditarjun2004 wrote:

>

> dear frineds

>

> most people lay too much emphasis on matching the horoscopes of the

boy

> and girl before marriage and the ways of matching vary from one

region

> to another.

>

> however, members may note that according to manusmriti, there are

eight

> types of marriage viz. brahma, daiva, arsha, prajapatya, asura,

> gandharva, rakshasa and paisacha.

>

> out of all these eight types of marriages, horoscope matching is

done

> only in the first form viz. brahma which is the orthodox

traditional

> arranged marriage.

>

> in all other seven forms of marriage, horoscope matching does not

> arise, for these seven types of marriage happen even if the

horsocopes

> do not match.

>

> with best wishes and blessings

> pandit arjun

> www.rudraksharemedy.com

>

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Thanks!

 

So quoting from your posting:

" i have seen some natives under the incorrect advice by their

astrologers or with their own understanding, branded themselves as

manglik and advertise them for marriage only under manglik header and

in many cases, they are not manglik and the mangal dosha got

cancelled. even though they miss getting better proposals, they are

happy to search someone under the same manglik label for fear of the

fiery mangal. "

 

 

Would you say that that is their " destiny " operating or 'free will'?

 

Either way an important conclusion!

 

Rohiniranjan

 

 

vedic astrology , " panditarjun2004 "

<panditarjun2004 wrote:

>

> dear RRji

>

> yes, here we are discussing the utility or applicability part of

> matching the horoscopes for the believers.

>

> you are correct about the various things to be considered in

> horoscope matching, as detailed in your mail. the old traditional

> family astrologers used to and do consider all these issues before

> giving their nod for getting married purely based on horoscopes.

the

> significance of horoscope matching in this manner is that marriage

is

> not performed if the horoscopes do not match.

>

> however, these days matchmaking is restricted to referring a table

in

> a panchang or seeing the points in a software and to see the score

of

> gunas and kootas etc. few astrologers check the chart, navamsha,

> kalatrakarakas venus and jupiter, mangaldosha etc. even after

> horoscopes are matched, the astrologer checks the running dasa,

> gochara and other time influencing factors and sometimes marriage

is

> delayed if the timing is not conducive.

>

> i have seen some natives under the incorrect advice by their

> astrologers or with their own understanding, branded themselves as

> manglik and advertise them for marriage only under manglik header

and

> in many cases, they are not manglik and the mangal dosha got

> cancelled. even though they miss getting better proposals, they

are

> happy to search someone under the same manglik label for fear of

the

> fiery mangal.

>

> with best wishes and blessings

> pandit arjun

> www.rudraksharemedy.com

>

> vedic astrology , " Rohiniranjan "

> <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > Panditji,

> >

> > In my ant's view what has gone amiss is the overreliance on

kootas

> (8

> > and 10). I think many jyotishis took the western term, " syn-

astry "

> > too literally and ran with it!

> >

> > Western astrologers on the other hand, took planets other than

> > the 'lights' into consideration but were using a

different 'starry

> > background' for that consideration.

> >

> > How many jyotishis when doing a melapak actually look at the

> relevant

> > indicators such as navamsha, lagnesh, saptamesh, AK, DK, P12, P7,

> P1,

> > Venus, Mars, L1, L7; their dispositors, dasas, syn-yogas and

> more...?

> >

> > Present *company* on this erudite forum excepted, of course...

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology , " panditarjun2004 "

> > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > >

> > > dear friends

> > >

> > > most people lay too much emphasis on matching the horoscopes of

> the

> > > boy and girl before marriage and the ways of matching vary from

> one

> > > region to another.

> > >

> > > however, members may note that according to manusmriti, there

are

> > > eight types of marriage viz. brahma, daiva, arsha, prajapatya,

> > asura,

> > > gandharva, rakshasa and paisacha.

> > >

> > > out of all these eight types of marriages, horoscope matching

is

> > done

> > > only in the first form viz. brahma which is the orthodox

> traditional

> > > arranged marriage.

> > >

> > > in all other seven forms of marriage, horoscope matching does

not

> > > arise, for these seven types of marriage happen even if the

> > horoscopes

> > > do not match.

> > >

> > > with best wishes and blessings

> > > pandit arjun

> > > www.rudraksharemedy.com

> > >

> >

>

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dear RRji

 

destiny is not restricting. freewill and fresh karmas bad or good in

this life are to blame.

 

nowhere in the world, people search for a partner purely based on ONE

SINGLE PLANET.

 

the ancient scriptures do not propagate the manglik dosha as such as

feared out. ancient scriptures only detail individual results of

mars giving negative results in 7th and 8th houses which are

inauspicious. lagna, 4th and 12th are considered less negative. some

astrologers add mars in 2nd house also as mangal dosha. so in all

1,2,4,7,8,12 (half of the houses) with mangal make these people come

together as a special identity. many such manglik seeking manglik

natives say that they give less consideration to caste, sect and

language and give more weightage to manglik dosha.

 

since we already discussed the numerous mangal dosha cancellation

rules earlier, it is pertinent to note that these manglik dosha

people search for partners only to check the presence of mangal dosha

in the other chart.

 

so, yes, horoscope matching is strictly adhered to by these mangliks.

 

with best wishes and blessings

pandit arjun

www.rudraksharemedy.com

 

vedic astrology , " Rohiniranjan "

<jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> Thanks!

>

> So quoting from your posting:

> " i have seen some natives under the incorrect advice by their

> astrologers or with their own understanding, branded themselves as

> manglik and advertise them for marriage only under manglik header

and

> in many cases, they are not manglik and the mangal dosha got

> cancelled. even though they miss getting better proposals, they

are

> happy to search someone under the same manglik label for fear of

the

> fiery mangal. "

>

>

> Would you say that that is their " destiny " operating or 'free will'?

>

> Either way an important conclusion!

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

>

> vedic astrology , " panditarjun2004 "

> <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> >

> > dear RRji

> >

> > yes, here we are discussing the utility or applicability part of

> > matching the horoscopes for the believers.

> >

> > you are correct about the various things to be considered in

> > horoscope matching, as detailed in your mail. the old

traditional

> > family astrologers used to and do consider all these issues

before

> > giving their nod for getting married purely based on horoscopes.

> the

> > significance of horoscope matching in this manner is that

marriage

> is

> > not performed if the horoscopes do not match.

> >

> > however, these days matchmaking is restricted to referring a

table

> in

> > a panchang or seeing the points in a software and to see the

score

> of

> > gunas and kootas etc. few astrologers check the chart, navamsha,

> > kalatrakarakas venus and jupiter, mangaldosha etc. even after

> > horoscopes are matched, the astrologer checks the running dasa,

> > gochara and other time influencing factors and sometimes marriage

> is

> > delayed if the timing is not conducive.

> >

> > i have seen some natives under the incorrect advice by their

> > astrologers or with their own understanding, branded themselves

as

> > manglik and advertise them for marriage only under manglik header

> and

> > in many cases, they are not manglik and the mangal dosha got

> > cancelled. even though they miss getting better proposals, they

> are

> > happy to search someone under the same manglik label for fear of

> the

> > fiery mangal.

> >

> > with best wishes and blessings

> > pandit arjun

> > www.rudraksharemedy.com

> >

> > vedic astrology , " Rohiniranjan "

> > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Panditji,

> > >

> > > In my ant's view what has gone amiss is the overreliance on

> kootas

> > (8

> > > and 10). I think many jyotishis took the western term, " syn-

> astry "

> > > too literally and ran with it!

> > >

> > > Western astrologers on the other hand, took planets other than

> > > the 'lights' into consideration but were using a

> different 'starry

> > > background' for that consideration.

> > >

> > > How many jyotishis when doing a melapak actually look at the

> > relevant

> > > indicators such as navamsha, lagnesh, saptamesh, AK, DK, P12,

P7,

> > P1,

> > > Venus, Mars, L1, L7; their dispositors, dasas, syn-yogas and

> > more...?

> > >

> > > Present *company* on this erudite forum excepted, of course...

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > >

> > > vedic astrology , " panditarjun2004 "

> > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > dear friends

> > > >

> > > > most people lay too much emphasis on matching the horoscopes

of

> > the

> > > > boy and girl before marriage and the ways of matching vary

from

> > one

> > > > region to another.

> > > >

> > > > however, members may note that according to manusmriti, there

> are

> > > > eight types of marriage viz. brahma, daiva, arsha,

prajapatya,

> > > asura,

> > > > gandharva, rakshasa and paisacha.

> > > >

> > > > out of all these eight types of marriages, horoscope matching

> is

> > > done

> > > > only in the first form viz. brahma which is the orthodox

> > traditional

> > > > arranged marriage.

> > > >

> > > > in all other seven forms of marriage, horoscope matching does

> not

> > > > arise, for these seven types of marriage happen even if the

> > > horoscopes

> > > > do not match.

> > > >

> > > > with best wishes and blessings

> > > > pandit arjun

> > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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dear RRji

 

your mails are positive and convey some messages which intelligent

people understand. hence, as we all have been preaching, we shall

react only when someone says that he is hurt by our message.

otherwise whether our message conveys any hidden message, moral or

sarcasm or advise etc., it is up to the native to deduce.

 

the first example of yours fall under the first category " brahma "

which was advised as the best by manu. the second and third examples

of yours fall under " gandharva " .

 

according to manu, the son born out of the brahma marriage, will free

from the sins of himself and ten generations above and ten

generations later. the same formula applies to seven generations in

daiva marriage, six generations in prajapatya and three generations

in arsha marriage.

 

there are other illustrations which apply when a married couple under

any eight way have no son and have only daughters. similarly there

are principles which say what happens to those couples who do not get

any child at all. but these look primitive and illogical in modern

context.

 

however, as you might have observed from my other response to the

same thread, majority of the marriages are today happening in the

seven categories other than brama marriage and within brahma marriage

too, the success rate is not high.

 

hence, believers in shastras (astro bibles) and smritis have many a

cue to follow and we can only guide the natives what best they can do

according to shastras, if they believe.

 

cherry picking some shastras like bphs and trashing others as

outdated is practiced by some. similarly trashing manusmriti and

following other smritis is also selective application to suit the

native.

 

anyway, my objective of discussing this issue is to highlight the

fact that the utility of matchmaking is only for believers who are in

minority.

 

with best wishes and blessings

pandit arjun

www.rudraksharemedy.com

 

 

, " Rohiniranjan "

<rohini_ranjan wrote:

>

> Arjunji,

>

> I would not repost my response to you here as well because then it

> would become same-o-same-old stuff.

>

> So on JR, my request to you (no tongue-in-cheek or posted with

> sarcasm or with cynicism or arrogance all of which I have been

blamed

> wrongly earlier by high and low -- saying that just to clear the

air

> all around!) is as follows:

>

> Please describe and Explain how the following modern conjugal

> scenarios would fit in those eight categories as described by Sage

> Manu:

>

> 1. Arranged marriage: With or without the occasional preamble where

> boy and girl are allowed to 'meet' under parental supervision! Or

> sometimes under slightly lesser 'guard' and with few percentage

> higher trust that the two will not misbehave and under the

assumption

> that the parents would not either and spring a last minute surprise

> such as a car or scooter or yacht etc! I have had a personal

> experience of this in mid 70s when a very close friend of mine was

> getting married in Nagpur and while we friends (who were closer

> during the past five years to him than his dad because he lived in

a

> hostel) were part of the very jovial ceremony we were very

> *obviously* eliminated from the " crucial " meeting when the dowry

was

> being discussed and there were some problems. I have never seen my

> friend so upset and helpless ever! And we are not talking about

some

> guy with no personal strength or no career ahead of him! And the

> heart-wrenching thing was that though arranged, he had really grown

> to like this girl and now their future was hanging on his father's

> whim! Everything turned out alright, but left a sour taste in this

> jyotishi's mouth!

>

> 2. A young man of indian origin, western raising with great

> education, carrer and many qualities but who is the sole

responsible

> for carrying the family name (in Indian tradition). The only son,

as

> you must have reckoned I am sure! Parents did not have a very good

> marriage, though stable (no divorce, just many fights!) and he has

> been cohabitating with a few prospective mates far too younger than

> him (increasingly so as he ages, gracefully!) and the indian

> relatives wait... No kids, by the way!

>

> 3. The young western woman who had more 'flings' that we would

> collectively have the fingers to count! She married once and while

> staying married and raising a few children realized that

> the 'husband' was permissive and really did not care much for her

as

> long as she did not come in a dark bottle containing alcohol.

Raised

> by an overcritical mother who raised her daughter to grow up

feeling

> a " nothing " ended up raising one who felt 'nothing'. Many affairs

> later, many on cyber-reality, she was diagnosed to have Multiple

> Sclerosis. I have no clue what eventually happened to her but this

> was a long marriage that did not break. I know for sure that

> no 'melapak' or synastry was ever done for her and her long-lasting

> husband!

>

> 4. There are so many different variants that boggle the mind and

> alarm and hopefully *alert* some of us (people of my vintage at

> least -- baby boomer jyotishas!) who have a very narrow and

> circumscribed view of what marriage really is in this world of

ours!

> It would make us halt or at least falter for a moment before we try

> to push the dough into the 6 or 7 or 8 or 10 fixed cookie-cutters

and

> pretend that those are the only options or more importantly

> *realities* available!

>

> Human beings were sent to this reality to grow, expand and evolve

and

> if we try to embark on growth with FIXED options, then we are just

> living up to the same VISION and mind-set that many chinese parents

> d to:

>

> Small feet are beautiful

> Tie the feet of daughters while their feet are small and STOP their

> growth!

>

> How much more UNBALANCED can one make others who depend upon one

for

> their growth and development!

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> Afterall , " panditarjun2004 "

> <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> >

> > dear frineds

> >

> > most people lay too much emphasis on matching the horoscopes of

the

> boy

> > and girl before marriage and the ways of matching vary from one

> region

> > to another.

> >

> > however, members may note that according to manusmriti, there are

> eight

> > types of marriage viz. brahma, daiva, arsha, prajapatya, asura,

> > gandharva, rakshasa and paisacha.

> >

> > out of all these eight types of marriages, horoscope matching is

> done

> > only in the first form viz. brahma which is the orthodox

> traditional

> > arranged marriage.

> >

> > in all other seven forms of marriage, horoscope matching does not

> > arise, for these seven types of marriage happen even if the

> horsocopes

> > do not match.

> >

> > with best wishes and blessings

> > pandit arjun

> > www.rudraksharemedy.com

> >

>

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Arjun ji,

 

I am one with you, as would any reasonable and sincere astrologer

that it does not serve the nativity-client one bit if their request

for horoscope compatibility be dismissed with just the melapak and

mangal dosh and that too without paying attention to the nature of

mars and its horoscope specific role.

 

However the intersting and even intriguing thing I was pondering upon

was that there are a fair number of individuals who actually get such

cursory matching done and then go ahead and get married. In many

cases in addition marriages are very planned and with a lot of

rationality that goes into the decision, often in arranged marriages

but not necessarily in all of those.

 

So one wonders if in all of these well-planned, well-thought out

alliances was destiny working a major role or free-will? As you

perhaps recall, I have been of the thought that destiny and free will

both play a role in our lives and not necessarily in equal

proportions at a given moment or through out one's life. Hence we

have the dashas that give us disha and gochar that keeps us moving.

Sometimes the choreography fails and the crashed 'dancer' is then

brought to some astrohospital or temple of God!

 

RR

vedic astrology , " panditarjun2004 "

<panditarjun2004 wrote:

>

> dear RRji

>

> destiny is not restricting. freewill and fresh karmas bad or good

in

> this life are to blame.

>

> nowhere in the world, people search for a partner purely based on

ONE

> SINGLE PLANET.

>

> the ancient scriptures do not propagate the manglik dosha as such

as

> feared out. ancient scriptures only detail individual results of

> mars giving negative results in 7th and 8th houses which are

> inauspicious. lagna, 4th and 12th are considered less negative.

some

> astrologers add mars in 2nd house also as mangal dosha. so in all

> 1,2,4,7,8,12 (half of the houses) with mangal make these people

come

> together as a special identity. many such manglik seeking manglik

> natives say that they give less consideration to caste, sect and

> language and give more weightage to manglik dosha.

>

> since we already discussed the numerous mangal dosha cancellation

> rules earlier, it is pertinent to note that these manglik dosha

> people search for partners only to check the presence of mangal

dosha

> in the other chart.

>

> so, yes, horoscope matching is strictly adhered to by these

mangliks.

>

> with best wishes and blessings

> pandit arjun

> www.rudraksharemedy.com

>

> vedic astrology , " Rohiniranjan "

> <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > Thanks!

> >

> > So quoting from your posting:

> > " i have seen some natives under the incorrect advice by their

> > astrologers or with their own understanding, branded themselves

as

> > manglik and advertise them for marriage only under manglik header

> and

> > in many cases, they are not manglik and the mangal dosha got

> > cancelled. even though they miss getting better proposals, they

> are

> > happy to search someone under the same manglik label for fear of

> the

> > fiery mangal. "

> >

> >

> > Would you say that that is their " destiny " operating or 'free

will'?

> >

> > Either way an important conclusion!

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology , " panditarjun2004 "

> > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > >

> > > dear RRji

> > >

> > > yes, here we are discussing the utility or applicability part

of

> > > matching the horoscopes for the believers.

> > >

> > > you are correct about the various things to be considered in

> > > horoscope matching, as detailed in your mail. the old

> traditional

> > > family astrologers used to and do consider all these issues

> before

> > > giving their nod for getting married purely based on

horoscopes.

> > the

> > > significance of horoscope matching in this manner is that

> marriage

> > is

> > > not performed if the horoscopes do not match.

> > >

> > > however, these days matchmaking is restricted to referring a

> table

> > in

> > > a panchang or seeing the points in a software and to see the

> score

> > of

> > > gunas and kootas etc. few astrologers check the chart,

navamsha,

> > > kalatrakarakas venus and jupiter, mangaldosha etc. even after

> > > horoscopes are matched, the astrologer checks the running dasa,

> > > gochara and other time influencing factors and sometimes

marriage

> > is

> > > delayed if the timing is not conducive.

> > >

> > > i have seen some natives under the incorrect advice by their

> > > astrologers or with their own understanding, branded themselves

> as

> > > manglik and advertise them for marriage only under manglik

header

> > and

> > > in many cases, they are not manglik and the mangal dosha got

> > > cancelled. even though they miss getting better proposals,

they

> > are

> > > happy to search someone under the same manglik label for fear

of

> > the

> > > fiery mangal.

> > >

> > > with best wishes and blessings

> > > pandit arjun

> > > www.rudraksharemedy.com

> > >

> > > vedic astrology , " Rohiniranjan "

> > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Panditji,

> > > >

> > > > In my ant's view what has gone amiss is the overreliance on

> > kootas

> > > (8

> > > > and 10). I think many jyotishis took the western term, " syn-

> > astry "

> > > > too literally and ran with it!

> > > >

> > > > Western astrologers on the other hand, took planets other

than

> > > > the 'lights' into consideration but were using a

> > different 'starry

> > > > background' for that consideration.

> > > >

> > > > How many jyotishis when doing a melapak actually look at the

> > > relevant

> > > > indicators such as navamsha, lagnesh, saptamesh, AK, DK, P12,

> P7,

> > > P1,

> > > > Venus, Mars, L1, L7; their dispositors, dasas, syn-yogas and

> > > more...?

> > > >

> > > > Present *company* on this erudite forum excepted, of course...

> > > >

> > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology , " panditarjun2004 "

> > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > dear friends

> > > > >

> > > > > most people lay too much emphasis on matching the

horoscopes

> of

> > > the

> > > > > boy and girl before marriage and the ways of matching vary

> from

> > > one

> > > > > region to another.

> > > > >

> > > > > however, members may note that according to manusmriti,

there

> > are

> > > > > eight types of marriage viz. brahma, daiva, arsha,

> prajapatya,

> > > > asura,

> > > > > gandharva, rakshasa and paisacha.

> > > > >

> > > > > out of all these eight types of marriages, horoscope

matching

> > is

> > > > done

> > > > > only in the first form viz. brahma which is the orthodox

> > > traditional

> > > > > arranged marriage.

> > > > >

> > > > > in all other seven forms of marriage, horoscope matching

does

> > not

> > > > > arise, for these seven types of marriage happen even if the

> > > > horoscopes

> > > > > do not match.

> > > > >

> > > > > with best wishes and blessings

> > > > > pandit arjun

> > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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dear RRji

 

freewill which you are mentioning is something which the native

superimposes over all other drivers notwithstanding the odds and sail

against the wind with a strong freewill. a jihadi terrorist

superimposes his freewill against sanity and consciousness and do it

a negative opposite manner.

 

doing fresh good and bad karmas with full knowledge, awareness and

consciousness is not just because of destiny or fate or planetary

influence. this karma theory makes natives enhance or negate

positives and preclude or deterioriate negatives.

 

slightly differing from the above law of karma with consicounsess,

sometimes knowingly or unknowingly or out of immaturity or out of

lack of foresight and wisdom, natives tend to earn the curses and

wrath of gods, parents, gurus and sages. akin to the above, natives

can do remedies, do prayers, do worships, do japams, do tapas, do

service and do other pleasing acts and get blessings and boons.

 

horoscope or the old audited karmic account statement as was on the

date of birth gives a broad macro indication. just like the weather

forecast of the meteorological department.

 

in conclusion, yes, astrology is one of the tools or drivers to study

the past, present and future.

 

scientists with help from satellite images forecast weather eg. the

indian met department forecasts weather for the next 24 hours whereas

cnn gives a 5 day weather forecast. similarly astrologers with the

help of horoscope images predict past, present and future and the

length of forecast too varies like indian and cnn.

 

with best wishes and blessings

pandit arjun

www.rudraksharemedy.com

 

vedic astrology , " Rohiniranjan "

<jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> Arjun ji,

>

> I am one with you, as would any reasonable and sincere astrologer

> that it does not serve the nativity-client one bit if their request

> for horoscope compatibility be dismissed with just the melapak and

> mangal dosh and that too without paying attention to the nature of

> mars and its horoscope specific role.

>

> However the intersting and even intriguing thing I was pondering

upon

> was that there are a fair number of individuals who actually get

such

> cursory matching done and then go ahead and get married. In many

> cases in addition marriages are very planned and with a lot of

> rationality that goes into the decision, often in arranged

marriages

> but not necessarily in all of those.

>

> So one wonders if in all of these well-planned, well-thought out

> alliances was destiny working a major role or free-will? As you

> perhaps recall, I have been of the thought that destiny and free

will

> both play a role in our lives and not necessarily in equal

> proportions at a given moment or through out one's life. Hence we

> have the dashas that give us disha and gochar that keeps us moving.

> Sometimes the choreography fails and the crashed 'dancer' is then

> brought to some astrohospital or temple of God!

>

> RR

> vedic astrology , " panditarjun2004 "

> <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> >

> > dear RRji

> >

> > destiny is not restricting. freewill and fresh karmas bad or

good

> in

> > this life are to blame.

> >

> > nowhere in the world, people search for a partner purely based on

> ONE

> > SINGLE PLANET.

> >

> > the ancient scriptures do not propagate the manglik dosha as such

> as

> > feared out. ancient scriptures only detail individual results of

> > mars giving negative results in 7th and 8th houses which are

> > inauspicious. lagna, 4th and 12th are considered less negative.

> some

> > astrologers add mars in 2nd house also as mangal dosha. so in

all

> > 1,2,4,7,8,12 (half of the houses) with mangal make these people

> come

> > together as a special identity. many such manglik seeking

manglik

> > natives say that they give less consideration to caste, sect and

> > language and give more weightage to manglik dosha.

> >

> > since we already discussed the numerous mangal dosha cancellation

> > rules earlier, it is pertinent to note that these manglik dosha

> > people search for partners only to check the presence of mangal

> dosha

> > in the other chart.

> >

> > so, yes, horoscope matching is strictly adhered to by these

> mangliks.

> >

> > with best wishes and blessings

> > pandit arjun

> > www.rudraksharemedy.com

> >

> > vedic astrology , " Rohiniranjan "

> > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Thanks!

> > >

> > > So quoting from your posting:

> > > " i have seen some natives under the incorrect advice by their

> > > astrologers or with their own understanding, branded themselves

> as

> > > manglik and advertise them for marriage only under manglik

header

> > and

> > > in many cases, they are not manglik and the mangal dosha got

> > > cancelled. even though they miss getting better proposals,

they

> > are

> > > happy to search someone under the same manglik label for fear

of

> > the

> > > fiery mangal. "

> > >

> > >

> > > Would you say that that is their " destiny " operating or 'free

> will'?

> > >

> > > Either way an important conclusion!

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > >

> > > vedic astrology , " panditarjun2004 "

> > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > dear RRji

> > > >

> > > > yes, here we are discussing the utility or applicability part

> of

> > > > matching the horoscopes for the believers.

> > > >

> > > > you are correct about the various things to be considered in

> > > > horoscope matching, as detailed in your mail. the old

> > traditional

> > > > family astrologers used to and do consider all these issues

> > before

> > > > giving their nod for getting married purely based on

> horoscopes.

> > > the

> > > > significance of horoscope matching in this manner is that

> > marriage

> > > is

> > > > not performed if the horoscopes do not match.

> > > >

> > > > however, these days matchmaking is restricted to referring a

> > table

> > > in

> > > > a panchang or seeing the points in a software and to see the

> > score

> > > of

> > > > gunas and kootas etc. few astrologers check the chart,

> navamsha,

> > > > kalatrakarakas venus and jupiter, mangaldosha etc. even

after

> > > > horoscopes are matched, the astrologer checks the running

dasa,

> > > > gochara and other time influencing factors and sometimes

> marriage

> > > is

> > > > delayed if the timing is not conducive.

> > > >

> > > > i have seen some natives under the incorrect advice by their

> > > > astrologers or with their own understanding, branded

themselves

> > as

> > > > manglik and advertise them for marriage only under manglik

> header

> > > and

> > > > in many cases, they are not manglik and the mangal dosha got

> > > > cancelled. even though they miss getting better proposals,

> they

> > > are

> > > > happy to search someone under the same manglik label for fear

> of

> > > the

> > > > fiery mangal.

> > > >

> > > > with best wishes and blessings

> > > > pandit arjun

> > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology , " Rohiniranjan "

> > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Panditji,

> > > > >

> > > > > In my ant's view what has gone amiss is the overreliance on

> > > kootas

> > > > (8

> > > > > and 10). I think many jyotishis took the western term, " syn-

> > > astry "

> > > > > too literally and ran with it!

> > > > >

> > > > > Western astrologers on the other hand, took planets other

> than

> > > > > the 'lights' into consideration but were using a

> > > different 'starry

> > > > > background' for that consideration.

> > > > >

> > > > > How many jyotishis when doing a melapak actually look at

the

> > > > relevant

> > > > > indicators such as navamsha, lagnesh, saptamesh, AK, DK,

P12,

> > P7,

> > > > P1,

> > > > > Venus, Mars, L1, L7; their dispositors, dasas, syn-yogas

and

> > > > more...?

> > > > >

> > > > > Present *company* on this erudite forum excepted, of

course...

> > > > >

> > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology , " panditarjun2004 "

> > > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > dear friends

> > > > > >

> > > > > > most people lay too much emphasis on matching the

> horoscopes

> > of

> > > > the

> > > > > > boy and girl before marriage and the ways of matching

vary

> > from

> > > > one

> > > > > > region to another.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > however, members may note that according to manusmriti,

> there

> > > are

> > > > > > eight types of marriage viz. brahma, daiva, arsha,

> > prajapatya,

> > > > > asura,

> > > > > > gandharva, rakshasa and paisacha.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > out of all these eight types of marriages, horoscope

> matching

> > > is

> > > > > done

> > > > > > only in the first form viz. brahma which is the orthodox

> > > > traditional

> > > > > > arranged marriage.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > in all other seven forms of marriage, horoscope matching

> does

> > > not

> > > > > > arise, for these seven types of marriage happen even if

the

> > > > > horoscopes

> > > > > > do not match.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > with best wishes and blessings

> > > > > > pandit arjun

> > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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