Guest guest Posted November 20, 2008 Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 Dear Neelamji, I have written a harsh mail to you, and take my words back, with a apology. I never realised that the mail sent to you by Pathiji was sent on his own,and on your personal id, without being requested for, by you. I do not endorse such actions. You had the right to reject that mail. best wishes, Bhaskar. , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: > > Dear RRji, > > a well laid out reply I tried the same and did not get the expected response not sure how this is seen > > i had said both were wrong and more so a as ualso said aperson who is not fully aware of how groups/internet works in this context i said she can be given a benefit of doubt as much as Pathi ji as there is nothing wrong in offering private help her major blame lies in posting private mail in public > > and here i said this must be settled mutually by both , both taking a public platform and abusing one another and unfortunately it became one v/s many for solidarity it is goood but if that also happened in public from start some part of it was in private space so they had to go back there resolve it and be back either way > > I feel ur approach is the right one as u still have offred to read her case inspite of all that happened we must retain a moral higher ground than the ones we r advising. > > I had also asked the ones who doubted her to test her [hilantrophy side by pointing top some temple or charity and see the action and give her the appropriate treatment it is like for a traffic offence like jumping the signal one gets a life term. > > > > > prashant > > > > > > ________________________________ > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan > > Thursday, November 20, 2008 5:32:41 AM > Re: my health > > > Dear Neelam, > > Thank you for your explanation and giving us all some more > information about why you felt as if your privacy was encroached upon > by the astrologer who wrote to you privately. > > It is very important for each individual member to note carefully the > settings and surroundings in any group before joining in. > allows two types of settings, one in which private emails can be > hidden and the other where this is not the case. Both have their > positives and negatives, with the former having potentially more > headaches for the moderators because then anyone can join the forum > and post all kinds of stuff. It is sad but my sympathies will be with > the owner/moderator in this situation. > > People must realize that when someone posts on a forum with thousands > of members, 'privacy' becomes a luxury. This is why many people > prefer paid readings. On a public forum that allows emails to be > displayed or allows the 'email' option, the given understanding is > that anyone can approach you through that portal. If the offer was > irrelevant and inflammatory, I would be siding with you but since in > this case you had requested astrological help and had not indicated > that you do not wish to receive private offers for reading, for which > the onus was on you, I see no blame should be put on Mr. Pathi who > had simply offered you with his astrological service. If he had been > pestering you with emails or so on, then you could have complained. > > In this case, simply put, you acted in bad faith and with unclear > knowledge of where you were posting your request which you wished to > remain free but private, Mr. Pathi and not you is the injured party! > > Please note that I do not know Mr. Pathi from Adam but I do not see > what wrong he did if all he did was send you ONE EMAIL offering his > astrological services. > > You or anyone else may disagree with me but what is right is right! > > Rohiniranjan > > , " nsenecha " <nsenecha@ .> > wrote: > > > > respected sir, > > pranam. > > sir, it is my polite request. plz. don't take it the other way. > > > > yes, it is true, it was a personal email but my id was taken from > the > > public forum. i was not knowing that he is allowed to send private > > emails like this. i thought he should send it publicly. > > i am not sorry for that. > > > > sir, you have the right to question my intentions for asking > questions > > here. i simply asked.if replied, thanked. if i wanted to know more, > > requested again politely. not answered. no problem. you can confirm > > this from forum itself. i never abused anyone & not replied the > person > > in his language who abused me publicly. i never complained. all > > persons are different. we have to maintain our line. > > > > only thing i want to say is= if we trust you [ or your forum] and > give > > our personal details on public forum, no member should offer > privately > > . if he wants to help or give some offer for help, should give here > in > > this forum only. > > > > sir, you tried to convince me like some elderly family member. it is > > my privilege. but to share my feelings with you is my right. > > plz. this time do not question my intentions. i may be wrong. you > can > > point out my mistakes. > > > > i am happy to be a silent reader since last few days. i can learn > this > > way also. > > > > regards > > ns > > ---- > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > <rohini_ranjan@ > wrote: > > > > > > Neelam, > > > > > > Perhaps you do not realize but you have posted in public forum > Mr. > > > Pathi's private message quoting his fees! That is not appropriate. > > > > > > This forum allows individuals to send private emails to posters, > but > > > the posters then should not post such emails on the public forum > for > > > obvious reasons. > > > > > > And this is not something that happens automatically as in > pressing > > > the replying to sender button etc. from your emailer. You would > have > > > to do some copying and pasting and so on. > > > > > > At first I thought Mr. Pathi posted the promotional message on > open > > > forum but then it seems that he sent a private email to you. You > had > > > the right to refuse his advances but it should have been done > > > privately and not in this manner. > > > > > > It makes one question your intentions for posting your original > > > request on the public forum :-) > > > > > > It is a known fact that astrologers charge for readings and many > do > > > not wish to pay them for their services. This is a clear example > of > > > what we were discussing a few days ago. In this case, obviously > the > > > intentions of the reading requester are questionable! > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , neelam senecha > > > <nsenecha@> wrote: > > > > > > > > respected A V Pathiji, > > > > namaskar, > > > > thanks for showing interest in answering my queries. > > > > i am sure u have already studied my horoscope. but i don't > spend > > > on such things. i believe in helping poor persons or renovation > of > > > temples.it reflects in my horoscope. > > > > i have some interest in learning jyotish . that's why i gave my > > > queries on this forum. > > > > i think i know me & myself very well. it will be very helpful > in > > > understanding process. > > > > anyway thanks, > > > > regards > > > > ns > > > > ------------ --------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > venkatachala pathi <pathiav@> > > > > nsenecha <nsenecha@> > > > > Monday, November 17, 2008 4:44:06 AM > > > > Re: my health > > > > > > > > > > > > In case you wish to avail my services, I will be pleased attend > to > > > your requirement. I am in the field for last 46 years (aged 79), > and > > > widely popular in this field around many countries for many > years. > > > Please give me your land line address for my records. My charges > for > > > reading Horoscope is US $ 50/- each, and I will be sending > answers > > > for 4 questions asked by you over e-mail in four days from date > of > > > receipt of amount. I will be able to send you the copies of > charts > > > (North indian/South Indian) with Vimshothri Desa detail for an > extra > > > charge of US $ 10/- each. On hearing from you. I will inform you > the > > > mode of remittance. Blessings, > > > > > > > > > > > > A.V.Pathi, > > > > North Carolina, 27514, USA > > > > 001-919-960- 3833 > > > > Please contact me in ID kountinya29@ ) > > > > All private readings are chargeable.Disclaim er > > > > A.V.Pathi and his Astrology Team want to make it absolutely > clear > > > that no discipline is absolutely perfect. Hence, any prediction > that > > > you receive from us is not to be considered as a substitute for > > > advice, program, or treatment that you would normally receive > from a > > > licensed professional such as a lawyer, doctor, psychiatrist, or > > > financial advisor. A.V.Pathi and his team provide no guarantees, > > > implied warranties, or assurances of any kind, and will not be > > > responsible for any interpretation made or use by the recipient > of > > > the information and data mentioned above. By the Grace of God we > can > > > only try to give our best and hope that our efforts will improve > the > > > life of our customers. ~~A.V.Pathi, Astrologer and his team. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > nsenecha <nsenecha@> > > > > > > > > Saturday, November 1, 2008 10:36:46 PM > > > > my health > > > > > > > > > > > > happy diwali to all members. > > > > respected gurujis, > > > > pranam to u all. > > > > i am having many health problems like acute allergies, > > > > hypertension, uterus fibroids [operation recommended] ,fats.can > i > > > get > > > > over them? my DOB=15TH.APRIL1962, POB=MAWANA[ UP], TOB=22:30 > [+/ - > > > 20MINUTES] . > > > > imp. events in life=marriage in feb.1985,son was born in > > > > jan.1986,right hand & elbow fracture in nov. 1988, daughter in > > > > dec.1989. allergies since childhood[nose pollips].controlled in > > > 1984. > > > > but from 8-10 years around again activated along with above > > > mentioned > > > > problems. > > > > my husband is a scientist. his DOB=03JULY,1959; POB=PRATAPGARH [ > > > RAJ.] > > > > TOB=23:22. > > > > KINDLY explain my horoscope & suggest me something accordingly. > > > > with regards > > > > ns > > > > ------------ ------ > > > > p.s. can i have some knowledge of astrology? > > > > ------------ ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2008 Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 Kumarji, There is no " moral high ground " in my experience including the one crucial one I had today! It all boils down to the MOMENT when you must react and give a response and make a decision! For what it is worth, I happened to get lucky and made the right one today! Trust that instinct and be true to HER! RR , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: > > Dear RRji, > > a well laid out reply I tried the same and did not get the expected response not sure how this is seen > > i had said both were wrong and more so a as ualso said aperson who is not fully aware of how groups/internet works in this context i said she can be given a benefit of doubt as much as Pathi ji as there is nothing wrong in offering private help her major blame lies in posting private mail in public > > and here i said this must be settled mutually by both , both taking a public platform and abusing one another and unfortunately it became one v/s many for solidarity it is goood but if that also happened in public from start some part of it was in private space so they had to go back there resolve it and be back either way > > I feel ur approach is the right one as u still have offred to read her case inspite of all that happened we must retain a moral higher ground than the ones we r advising. > > I had also asked the ones who doubted her to test her [hilantrophy side by pointing top some temple or charity and see the action and give her the appropriate treatment it is like for a traffic offence like jumping the signal one gets a life term. > > > > > prashant > > > > > > ________________________________ > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan > > Thursday, November 20, 2008 5:32:41 AM > Re: my health > > > Dear Neelam, > > Thank you for your explanation and giving us all some more > information about why you felt as if your privacy was encroached upon > by the astrologer who wrote to you privately. > > It is very important for each individual member to note carefully the > settings and surroundings in any group before joining in. > allows two types of settings, one in which private emails can be > hidden and the other where this is not the case. Both have their > positives and negatives, with the former having potentially more > headaches for the moderators because then anyone can join the forum > and post all kinds of stuff. It is sad but my sympathies will be with > the owner/moderator in this situation. > > People must realize that when someone posts on a forum with thousands > of members, 'privacy' becomes a luxury. This is why many people > prefer paid readings. On a public forum that allows emails to be > displayed or allows the 'email' option, the given understanding is > that anyone can approach you through that portal. If the offer was > irrelevant and inflammatory, I would be siding with you but since in > this case you had requested astrological help and had not indicated > that you do not wish to receive private offers for reading, for which > the onus was on you, I see no blame should be put on Mr. Pathi who > had simply offered you with his astrological service. If he had been > pestering you with emails or so on, then you could have complained. > > In this case, simply put, you acted in bad faith and with unclear > knowledge of where you were posting your request which you wished to > remain free but private, Mr. Pathi and not you is the injured party! > > Please note that I do not know Mr. Pathi from Adam but I do not see > what wrong he did if all he did was send you ONE EMAIL offering his > astrological services. > > You or anyone else may disagree with me but what is right is right! > > Rohiniranjan > > , " nsenecha " <nsenecha@ .> > wrote: > > > > respected sir, > > pranam. > > sir, it is my polite request. plz. don't take it the other way. > > > > yes, it is true, it was a personal email but my id was taken from > the > > public forum. i was not knowing that he is allowed to send private > > emails like this. i thought he should send it publicly. > > i am not sorry for that. > > > > sir, you have the right to question my intentions for asking > questions > > here. i simply asked.if replied, thanked. if i wanted to know more, > > requested again politely. not answered. no problem. you can confirm > > this from forum itself. i never abused anyone & not replied the > person > > in his language who abused me publicly. i never complained. all > > persons are different. we have to maintain our line. > > > > only thing i want to say is= if we trust you [ or your forum] and > give > > our personal details on public forum, no member should offer > privately > > . if he wants to help or give some offer for help, should give here > in > > this forum only. > > > > sir, you tried to convince me like some elderly family member. it is > > my privilege. but to share my feelings with you is my right. > > plz. this time do not question my intentions. i may be wrong. you > can > > point out my mistakes. > > > > i am happy to be a silent reader since last few days. i can learn > this > > way also. > > > > regards > > ns > > ---- > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > <rohini_ranjan@ > wrote: > > > > > > Neelam, > > > > > > Perhaps you do not realize but you have posted in public forum > Mr. > > > Pathi's private message quoting his fees! That is not appropriate. > > > > > > This forum allows individuals to send private emails to posters, > but > > > the posters then should not post such emails on the public forum > for > > > obvious reasons. > > > > > > And this is not something that happens automatically as in > pressing > > > the replying to sender button etc. from your emailer. You would > have > > > to do some copying and pasting and so on. > > > > > > At first I thought Mr. Pathi posted the promotional message on > open > > > forum but then it seems that he sent a private email to you. You > had > > > the right to refuse his advances but it should have been done > > > privately and not in this manner. > > > > > > It makes one question your intentions for posting your original > > > request on the public forum :-) > > > > > > It is a known fact that astrologers charge for readings and many > do > > > not wish to pay them for their services. This is a clear example > of > > > what we were discussing a few days ago. In this case, obviously > the > > > intentions of the reading requester are questionable! > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , neelam senecha > > > <nsenecha@> wrote: > > > > > > > > respected A V Pathiji, > > > > namaskar, > > > > thanks for showing interest in answering my queries. > > > > i am sure u have already studied my horoscope. but i don't > spend > > > on such things. i believe in helping poor persons or renovation > of > > > temples.it reflects in my horoscope. > > > > i have some interest in learning jyotish . that's why i gave my > > > queries on this forum. > > > > i think i know me & myself very well. it will be very helpful > in > > > understanding process. > > > > anyway thanks, > > > > regards > > > > ns > > > > ------------ --------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > venkatachala pathi <pathiav@> > > > > nsenecha <nsenecha@> > > > > Monday, November 17, 2008 4:44:06 AM > > > > Re: my health > > > > > > > > > > > > In case you wish to avail my services, I will be pleased attend > to > > > your requirement. I am in the field for last 46 years (aged 79), > and > > > widely popular in this field around many countries for many > years. > > > Please give me your land line address for my records. My charges > for > > > reading Horoscope is US $ 50/- each, and I will be sending > answers > > > for 4 questions asked by you over e-mail in four days from date > of > > > receipt of amount. I will be able to send you the copies of > charts > > > (North indian/South Indian) with Vimshothri Desa detail for an > extra > > > charge of US $ 10/- each. On hearing from you. I will inform you > the > > > mode of remittance. Blessings, > > > > > > > > > > > > A.V.Pathi, > > > > North Carolina, 27514, USA > > > > 001-919-960- 3833 > > > > Please contact me in ID kountinya29@ ) > > > > All private readings are chargeable.Disclaim er > > > > A.V.Pathi and his Astrology Team want to make it absolutely > clear > > > that no discipline is absolutely perfect. Hence, any prediction > that > > > you receive from us is not to be considered as a substitute for > > > advice, program, or treatment that you would normally receive > from a > > > licensed professional such as a lawyer, doctor, psychiatrist, or > > > financial advisor. A.V.Pathi and his team provide no guarantees, > > > implied warranties, or assurances of any kind, and will not be > > > responsible for any interpretation made or use by the recipient > of > > > the information and data mentioned above. By the Grace of God we > can > > > only try to give our best and hope that our efforts will improve > the > > > life of our customers. ~~A.V.Pathi, Astrologer and his team. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > nsenecha <nsenecha@> > > > > > > > > Saturday, November 1, 2008 10:36:46 PM > > > > my health > > > > > > > > > > > > happy diwali to all members. > > > > respected gurujis, > > > > pranam to u all. > > > > i am having many health problems like acute allergies, > > > > hypertension, uterus fibroids [operation recommended] ,fats.can > i > > > get > > > > over them? my DOB=15TH.APRIL1962, POB=MAWANA[ UP], TOB=22:30 > [+/ - > > > 20MINUTES] . > > > > imp. events in life=marriage in feb.1985,son was born in > > > > jan.1986,right hand & elbow fracture in nov. 1988, daughter in > > > > dec.1989. allergies since childhood[nose pollips].controlled in > > > 1984. > > > > but from 8-10 years around again activated along with above > > > mentioned > > > > problems. > > > > my husband is a scientist. his DOB=03JULY,1959; POB=PRATAPGARH [ > > > RAJ.] > > > > TOB=23:22. > > > > KINDLY explain my horoscope & suggest me something accordingly. > > > > with regards > > > > ns > > > > ------------ ------ > > > > p.s. can i have some knowledge of astrology? > > > > ------------ ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2008 Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 Dear Bhaskarji thanks for seeing the subject in the FAIR WAY and my stand so far being vindicated here. we have a obligation to be seen as human being not otherwise and remember I said all that happens in public our stand must be different from private ones, we must say a few words lesse than ones involved in a exchange else importance of them itself is diluted. prashant ________________________________ Bhaskar <rajiventerprises Thursday, November 20, 2008 8:26:29 AM Re: my health 20/11 Dear Neelamji, I have written a harsh mail to you, and take my words back, with a apology. I never realised that the mail sent to you by Pathiji was sent on his own,and on your personal id, without being requested for, by you. I do not endorse such actions. You had the right to reject that mail. best wishes, Bhaskar. , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@. ..> wrote: > > Dear RRji, > > a well laid out reply I tried the same and did not get the expected response not sure how this is seen > > i had said both were wrong and more so a as ualso said aperson who is not fully aware of how groups/internet works in this context i said she can be given a benefit of doubt as much as Pathi ji as there is nothing wrong in offering private help her major blame lies in posting private mail in public > > and here i said this must be settled mutually by both , both taking a public platform and abusing one another and unfortunately it became one v/s many for solidarity it is goood but if that also happened in public from start some part of it was in private space so they had to go back there resolve it and be back either way > > I feel ur approach is the right one as u still have offred to read her case inspite of all that happened we must retain a moral higher ground than the ones we r advising. > > I had also asked the ones who doubted her to test her [hilantrophy side by pointing top some temple or charity and see the action and give her the appropriate treatment it is like for a traffic offence like jumping the signal one gets a life term. > > > > > prashant > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > Thursday, November 20, 2008 5:32:41 AM > Re: my health > > > Dear Neelam, > > Thank you for your explanation and giving us all some more > information about why you felt as if your privacy was encroached upon > by the astrologer who wrote to you privately. > > It is very important for each individual member to note carefully the > settings and surroundings in any group before joining in. > allows two types of settings, one in which private emails can be > hidden and the other where this is not the case. Both have their > positives and negatives, with the former having potentially more > headaches for the moderators because then anyone can join the forum > and post all kinds of stuff. It is sad but my sympathies will be with > the owner/moderator in this situation. > > People must realize that when someone posts on a forum with thousands > of members, 'privacy' becomes a luxury. This is why many people > prefer paid readings. On a public forum that allows emails to be > displayed or allows the 'email' option, the given understanding is > that anyone can approach you through that portal. If the offer was > irrelevant and inflammatory, I would be siding with you but since in > this case you had requested astrological help and had not indicated > that you do not wish to receive private offers for reading, for which > the onus was on you, I see no blame should be put on Mr. Pathi who > had simply offered you with his astrological service. If he had been > pestering you with emails or so on, then you could have complained. > > In this case, simply put, you acted in bad faith and with unclear > knowledge of where you were posting your request which you wished to > remain free but private, Mr. Pathi and not you is the injured party! > > Please note that I do not know Mr. Pathi from Adam but I do not see > what wrong he did if all he did was send you ONE EMAIL offering his > astrological services. > > You or anyone else may disagree with me but what is right is right! > > Rohiniranjan > > , " nsenecha " <nsenecha@ .> > wrote: > > > > respected sir, > > pranam. > > sir, it is my polite request. plz. don't take it the other way. > > > > yes, it is true, it was a personal email but my id was taken from > the > > public forum. i was not knowing that he is allowed to send private > > emails like this. i thought he should send it publicly. > > i am not sorry for that. > > > > sir, you have the right to question my intentions for asking > questions > > here. i simply asked.if replied, thanked. if i wanted to know more, > > requested again politely. not answered. no problem. you can confirm > > this from forum itself. i never abused anyone & not replied the > person > > in his language who abused me publicly. i never complained. all > > persons are different. we have to maintain our line. > > > > only thing i want to say is= if we trust you [ or your forum] and > give > > our personal details on public forum, no member should offer > privately > > . if he wants to help or give some offer for help, should give here > in > > this forum only. > > > > sir, you tried to convince me like some elderly family member. it is > > my privilege. but to share my feelings with you is my right. > > plz. this time do not question my intentions. i may be wrong. you > can > > point out my mistakes. > > > > i am happy to be a silent reader since last few days. i can learn > this > > way also. > > > > regards > > ns > > ---- > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > <rohini_ranjan@ > wrote: > > > > > > Neelam, > > > > > > Perhaps you do not realize but you have posted in public forum > Mr. > > > Pathi's private message quoting his fees! That is not appropriate. > > > > > > This forum allows individuals to send private emails to posters, > but > > > the posters then should not post such emails on the public forum > for > > > obvious reasons. > > > > > > And this is not something that happens automatically as in > pressing > > > the replying to sender button etc. from your emailer. You would > have > > > to do some copying and pasting and so on. > > > > > > At first I thought Mr. Pathi posted the promotional message on > open > > > forum but then it seems that he sent a private email to you. You > had > > > the right to refuse his advances but it should have been done > > > privately and not in this manner. > > > > > > It makes one question your intentions for posting your original > > > request on the public forum :-) > > > > > > It is a known fact that astrologers charge for readings and many > do > > > not wish to pay them for their services. This is a clear example > of > > > what we were discussing a few days ago. In this case, obviously > the > > > intentions of the reading requester are questionable! > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , neelam senecha > > > <nsenecha@> wrote: > > > > > > > > respected A V Pathiji, > > > > namaskar, > > > > thanks for showing interest in answering my queries. > > > > i am sure u have already studied my horoscope. but i don't > spend > > > on such things. i believe in helping poor persons or renovation > of > > > temples.it reflects in my horoscope. > > > > i have some interest in learning jyotish . that's why i gave my > > > queries on this forum. > > > > i think i know me & myself very well. it will be very helpful > in > > > understanding process. > > > > anyway thanks, > > > > regards > > > > ns > > > > ------------ --------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > venkatachala pathi <pathiav@> > > > > nsenecha <nsenecha@> > > > > Monday, November 17, 2008 4:44:06 AM > > > > Re: my health > > > > > > > > > > > > In case you wish to avail my services, I will be pleased attend > to > > > your requirement. I am in the field for last 46 years (aged 79), > and > > > widely popular in this field around many countries for many > years. > > > Please give me your land line address for my records. My charges > for > > > reading Horoscope is US $ 50/- each, and I will be sending > answers > > > for 4 questions asked by you over e-mail in four days from date > of > > > receipt of amount. I will be able to send you the copies of > charts > > > (North indian/South Indian) with Vimshothri Desa detail for an > extra > > > charge of US $ 10/- each. On hearing from you. I will inform you > the > > > mode of remittance. Blessings, > > > > > > > > > > > > A.V.Pathi, > > > > North Carolina, 27514, USA > > > > 001-919-960- 3833 > > > > Please contact me in ID kountinya29@ ) > > > > All private readings are chargeable.Disclaim er > > > > A.V.Pathi and his Astrology Team want to make it absolutely > clear > > > that no discipline is absolutely perfect. Hence, any prediction > that > > > you receive from us is not to be considered as a substitute for > > > advice, program, or treatment that you would normally receive > from a > > > licensed professional such as a lawyer, doctor, psychiatrist, or > > > financial advisor. A.V.Pathi and his team provide no guarantees, > > > implied warranties, or assurances of any kind, and will not be > > > responsible for any interpretation made or use by the recipient > of > > > the information and data mentioned above. By the Grace of God we > can > > > only try to give our best and hope that our efforts will improve > the > > > life of our customers. ~~A.V.Pathi, Astrologer and his team. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > nsenecha <nsenecha@> > > > > > > > > Saturday, November 1, 2008 10:36:46 PM > > > > my health > > > > > > > > > > > > happy diwali to all members. > > > > respected gurujis, > > > > pranam to u all. > > > > i am having many health problems like acute allergies, > > > > hypertension, uterus fibroids [operation recommended] ,fats.can > i > > > get > > > > over them? my DOB=15TH.APRIL1962, POB=MAWANA[ UP], TOB=22:30 > [+/ - > > > 20MINUTES] . > > > > imp. events in life=marriage in feb.1985,son was born in > > > > jan.1986,right hand & elbow fracture in nov. 1988, daughter in > > > > dec.1989. allergies since childhood[nose pollips].controlled in > > > 1984. > > > > but from 8-10 years around again activated along with above > > > mentioned > > > > problems. > > > > my husband is a scientist. his DOB=03JULY,1959; POB=PRATAPGARH [ > > > RAJ.] > > > > TOB=23:22. > > > > KINDLY explain my horoscope & suggest me something accordingly. > > > > with regards > > > > ns > > > > ------------ ------ > > > > p.s. can i have some knowledge of astrology? > > > > ------------ ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2008 Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 Kumarji, Typos and errors in my experience (more than 30 years of observation of humanity -- " there he goes again! " ) are not mistakes but " speedbumps " for others! Some of them would curse and keep going but a few would stop and consider if they were going too fast and if the speedbump was placed there for a reason by Someone perhaps Themselves long ago -- but now beyond their reckoning? Life is about moving on while holding on to memories = past! How else would learning be justified? Even cats, especially CATS learn from past experiences and way better than we humans do! Even those of us who were blessed to be born as cats in our charts or lives! Offered for 'self-contemplation' as opposed to discussion and debate! Including varga considerations! Rohiniranjan , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: > > Dear RRji, members > > I had posted it with some typos and errors, just re checked postmortem and did a correction, life is about evolving and we move on > > prashant ________________________________ > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > > Cc: V PATHI A <pathiav > Thursday, November 20, 2008 8:15:57 AM > Re: Re: my health 20/11 > > > Dear RRji, > > a well laid out reply I tried the same and did not get the expected response not sure how this is seen > > i had said both were wrong and more so a as u also said a person who is not fully aware of how groups/internet works in this context i said she can be given a benefit of doubt as much as Pathi ji as there is nothing wrong in offering private help her; major blame lies in posting private mail in public > > and here i said this must be settled mutually by both , both taking a public platform and abusing one another and unfortunately it became one v/s many for solidarity it is goood but if that also happened in public from start some part of it was in private space so they had to go back there resolve it and be back either way > > I feel ur approach is the right one as u still have offred to read her case inspite of all that happened we must retain a higher moral ground than the ones we r advising. > > I had also asked the ones who doubted her to test her philanthropy claims by pointing top some temple or charity and see the action and give her the appropriate treatment it is like for a traffic offence like jumping the signal one gets a life term. > > prashant > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> > > Thursday, November 20, 2008 5:32:41 AM > Re: my health > > Dear Neelam, > > Thank you for your explanation and giving us all some more > information about why you felt as if your privacy was encroached upon > by the astrologer who wrote to you privately. > > It is very important for each individual member to note carefully the > settings and surroundings in any group before joining in. > allows two types of settings, one in which private emails can be > hidden and the other where this is not the case. Both have their > positives and negatives, with the former having potentially more > headaches for the moderators because then anyone can join the forum > and post all kinds of stuff. It is sad but my sympathies will be with > the owner/moderator in this situation. > > People must realize that when someone posts on a forum with thousands > of members, 'privacy' becomes a luxury. This is why many people > prefer paid readings. On a public forum that allows emails to be > displayed or allows the 'email' option, the given understanding is > that anyone can approach you through that portal. If the offer was > irrelevant and inflammatory, I would be siding with you but since in > this case you had requested astrological help and had not indicated > that you do not wish to receive private offers for reading, for which > the onus was on you, I see no blame should be put on Mr. Pathi who > had simply offered you with his astrological service. If he had been > pestering you with emails or so on, then you could have complained. > > In this case, simply put, you acted in bad faith and with unclear > knowledge of where you were posting your request which you wished to > remain free but private, Mr. Pathi and not you is the injured party! > > Please note that I do not know Mr. Pathi from Adam but I do not see > what wrong he did if all he did was send you ONE EMAIL offering his > astrological services. > > You or anyone else may disagree with me but what is right is right! > > Rohiniranjan > > , " nsenecha " <nsenecha@ .> > wrote: > > > > respected sir, > > pranam. > > sir, it is my polite request. plz. don't take it the other way. > > > > yes, it is true, it was a personal email but my id was taken from > the > > public forum. i was not knowing that he is allowed to send private > > emails like this. i thought he should send it publicly. > > i am not sorry for that. > > > > sir, you have the right to question my intentions for asking > questions > > here. i simply asked.if replied, thanked. if i wanted to know more, > > requested again politely. not answered. no problem. you can confirm > > this from forum itself. i never abused anyone & not replied the > person > > in his language who abused me publicly. i never complained. all > > persons are different. we have to maintain our line. > > > > only thing i want to say is= if we trust you [ or your forum] and > give > > our personal details on public forum, no member should offer > privately > > . if he wants to help or give some offer for help, should give here > in > > this forum only. > > > > sir, you tried to convince me like some elderly family member. it is > > my privilege. but to share my feelings with you is my right. > > plz. this time do not question my intentions. i may be wrong. you > can > > point out my mistakes. > > > > i am happy to be a silent reader since last few days. i can learn > this > > way also. > > > > regards > > ns > > ---- > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > <rohini_ranjan@ > wrote: > > > > > > Neelam, > > > > > > Perhaps you do not realize but you have posted in public forum > Mr. > > > Pathi's private message quoting his fees! That is not appropriate. > > > > > > This forum allows individuals to send private emails to posters, > but > > > the posters then should not post such emails on the public forum > for > > > obvious reasons. > > > > > > And this is not something that happens automatically as in > pressing > > > the replying to sender button etc. from your emailer. You would > have > > > to do some copying and pasting and so on. > > > > > > At first I thought Mr. Pathi posted the promotional message on > open > > > forum but then it seems that he sent a private email to you. You > had > > > the right to refuse his advances but it should have been done > > > privately and not in this manner. > > > > > > It makes one question your intentions for posting your original > > > request on the public forum :-) > > > > > > It is a known fact that astrologers charge for readings and many > do > > > not wish to pay them for their services. This is a clear example > of > > > what we were discussing a few days ago. In this case, obviously > the > > > intentions of the reading requester are questionable! > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , neelam senecha > > > <nsenecha@> wrote: > > > > > > > > respected A V Pathiji, > > > > namaskar, > > > > thanks for showing interest in answering my queries. > > > > i am sure u have already studied my horoscope. but i don't > spend > > > on such things. i believe in helping poor persons or renovation > of > > > temples.it reflects in my horoscope. > > > > i have some interest in learning jyotish . that's why i gave my > > > queries on this forum. > > > > i think i know me & myself very well. it will be very helpful > in > > > understanding process. > > > > anyway thanks, > > > > regards > > > > ns > > > > ------------ --------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > venkatachala pathi <pathiav@> > > > > nsenecha <nsenecha@> > > > > Monday, November 17, 2008 4:44:06 AM > > > > Re: my health > > > > > > > > > > > > In case you wish to avail my services, I will be pleased attend > to > > > your requirement. I am in the field for last 46 years (aged 79), > and > > > widely popular in this field around many countries for many > years. > > > Please give me your land line address for my records. My charges > for > > > reading Horoscope is US $ 50/- each, and I will be sending > answers > > > for 4 questions asked by you over e-mail in four days from date > of > > > receipt of amount. I will be able to send you the copies of > charts > > > (North indian/South Indian) with Vimshothri Desa detail for an > extra > > > charge of US $ 10/- each. On hearing from you. I will inform you > the > > > mode of remittance. Blessings, > > > > > > > > > > > > A.V.Pathi, > > > > North Carolina, 27514, USA > > > > 001-919-960- 3833 > > > > Please contact me in ID kountinya29@ ) > > > > All private readings are chargeable.Disclaim er > > > > A.V.Pathi and his Astrology Team want to make it absolutely > clear > > > that no discipline is absolutely perfect. Hence, any prediction > that > > > you receive from us is not to be considered as a substitute for > > > advice, program, or treatment that you would normally receive > from a > > > licensed professional such as a lawyer, doctor, psychiatrist, or > > > financial advisor. A.V.Pathi and his team provide no guarantees, > > > implied warranties, or assurances of any kind, and will not be > > > responsible for any interpretation made or use by the recipient > of > > > the information and data mentioned above. By the Grace of God we > can > > > only try to give our best and hope that our efforts will improve > the > > > life of our customers. ~~A.V.Pathi, Astrologer and his team. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > nsenecha <nsenecha@> > > > > > > > > Saturday, November 1, 2008 10:36:46 PM > > > > my health > > > > > > > > > > > > happy diwali to all members. > > > > respected gurujis, > > > > pranam to u all. > > > > i am having many health problems like acute allergies, > > > > hypertension, uterus fibroids [operation recommended] ,fats.can > i > > > get > > > > over them? my DOB=15TH.APRIL1962, POB=MAWANA[ UP], TOB=22:30 > [+/ - > > > 20MINUTES] . > > > > imp. events in life=marriage in feb.1985,son was born in > > > > jan.1986,right hand & elbow fracture in nov. 1988, daughter in > > > > dec.1989. allergies since childhood[nose pollips].controlled in > > > 1984. > > > > but from 8-10 years around again activated along with above > > > mentioned > > > > problems. > > > > my husband is a scientist. his DOB=03JULY,1959; POB=PRATAPGARH [ > > > RAJ.] > > > > TOB=23:22. > > > > KINDLY explain my horoscope & suggest me something accordingly. > > > > with regards > > > > ns > > > > ------------ ------ > > > > p.s. can i have some knowledge of astrology? > > > > ------------ ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2008 Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 Dear RR ji yes all creation is changing and learning from experience and we must not get stuck in any one point good or bad more so if this is one that hurts someone and even if we have a small portion compared to the other side we can do well from our part and make amends and need not worry on loss of face or why should I do this, moral ground is where we can give ppl something with little expectations after making the point that treat astrologers like any professional we can't force or make it a precondition to do what we r supposed to do. rest is the karmic debt of ppl ignoring, disrespecting astrologers or for that matter any learned person. BPHS clearly says isn't it? we earn wrath of a learned man or disrespect a learned men in a particular period as it is part of the mutual fate to hurt and get hurt anyone can be on the otherside of the fence we still face the same prospect, pain. due in our karma BEST WISHES prashant ________________________________ Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan Thursday, November 20, 2008 8:49:35 AM Re: my health 20/11 Kumarji, Typos and errors in my experience (more than 30 years of observation of humanity -- " there he goes again! " ) are not mistakes but " speedbumps " for others! Some of them would curse and keep going but a few would stop and consider if they were going too fast and if the speedbump was placed there for a reason by Someone perhaps Themselves long ago -- but now beyond their reckoning? Life is about moving on while holding on to memories = past! How else would learning be justified? Even cats, especially CATS learn from past experiences and way better than we humans do! Even those of us who were blessed to be born as cats in our charts or lives! Offered for 'self-contemplation ' as opposed to discussion and debate! Including varga considerations! Rohiniranjan , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@. ..> wrote: > > Dear RRji, members > > I had posted it with some typos and errors, just re checked postmortem and did a correction, life is about evolving and we move on > > prashant ____________ _________ _________ __ > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@. ..> > > Cc: V PATHI A <pathiav > > Thursday, November 20, 2008 8:15:57 AM > Re: Re: my health 20/11 > > > Dear RRji, > > a well laid out reply I tried the same and did not get the expected response not sure how this is seen > > i had said both were wrong and more so a as u also said a person who is not fully aware of how groups/internet works in this context i said she can be given a benefit of doubt as much as Pathi ji as there is nothing wrong in offering private help her; major blame lies in posting private mail in public > > and here i said this must be settled mutually by both , both taking a public platform and abusing one another and unfortunately it became one v/s many for solidarity it is goood but if that also happened in public from start some part of it was in private space so they had to go back there resolve it and be back either way > > I feel ur approach is the right one as u still have offred to read her case inspite of all that happened we must retain a higher moral ground than the ones we r advising. > > I had also asked the ones who doubted her to test her philanthropy claims by pointing top some temple or charity and see the action and give her the appropriate treatment it is like for a traffic offence like jumping the signal one gets a life term. > > prashant > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> > > Thursday, November 20, 2008 5:32:41 AM > Re: my health > > Dear Neelam, > > Thank you for your explanation and giving us all some more > information about why you felt as if your privacy was encroached upon > by the astrologer who wrote to you privately. > > It is very important for each individual member to note carefully the > settings and surroundings in any group before joining in. > allows two types of settings, one in which private emails can be > hidden and the other where this is not the case. Both have their > positives and negatives, with the former having potentially more > headaches for the moderators because then anyone can join the forum > and post all kinds of stuff. It is sad but my sympathies will be with > the owner/moderator in this situation. > > People must realize that when someone posts on a forum with thousands > of members, 'privacy' becomes a luxury. This is why many people > prefer paid readings. On a public forum that allows emails to be > displayed or allows the 'email' option, the given understanding is > that anyone can approach you through that portal. If the offer was > irrelevant and inflammatory, I would be siding with you but since in > this case you had requested astrological help and had not indicated > that you do not wish to receive private offers for reading, for which > the onus was on you, I see no blame should be put on Mr. Pathi who > had simply offered you with his astrological service. If he had been > pestering you with emails or so on, then you could have complained. > > In this case, simply put, you acted in bad faith and with unclear > knowledge of where you were posting your request which you wished to > remain free but private, Mr. Pathi and not you is the injured party! > > Please note that I do not know Mr. Pathi from Adam but I do not see > what wrong he did if all he did was send you ONE EMAIL offering his > astrological services. > > You or anyone else may disagree with me but what is right is right! > > Rohiniranjan > > , " nsenecha " <nsenecha@ .> > wrote: > > > > respected sir, > > pranam. > > sir, it is my polite request. plz. don't take it the other way. > > > > yes, it is true, it was a personal email but my id was taken from > the > > public forum. i was not knowing that he is allowed to send private > > emails like this. i thought he should send it publicly. > > i am not sorry for that. > > > > sir, you have the right to question my intentions for asking > questions > > here. i simply asked.if replied, thanked. if i wanted to know more, > > requested again politely. not answered. no problem. you can confirm > > this from forum itself. i never abused anyone & not replied the > person > > in his language who abused me publicly. i never complained. all > > persons are different. we have to maintain our line. > > > > only thing i want to say is= if we trust you [ or your forum] and > give > > our personal details on public forum, no member should offer > privately > > . if he wants to help or give some offer for help, should give here > in > > this forum only. > > > > sir, you tried to convince me like some elderly family member. it is > > my privilege. but to share my feelings with you is my right. > > plz. this time do not question my intentions. i may be wrong. you > can > > point out my mistakes. > > > > i am happy to be a silent reader since last few days. i can learn > this > > way also. > > > > regards > > ns > > ---- > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > <rohini_ranjan@ > wrote: > > > > > > Neelam, > > > > > > Perhaps you do not realize but you have posted in public forum > Mr. > > > Pathi's private message quoting his fees! That is not appropriate. > > > > > > This forum allows individuals to send private emails to posters, > but > > > the posters then should not post such emails on the public forum > for > > > obvious reasons. > > > > > > And this is not something that happens automatically as in > pressing > > > the replying to sender button etc. from your emailer. You would > have > > > to do some copying and pasting and so on. > > > > > > At first I thought Mr. Pathi posted the promotional message on > open > > > forum but then it seems that he sent a private email to you. You > had > > > the right to refuse his advances but it should have been done > > > privately and not in this manner. > > > > > > It makes one question your intentions for posting your original > > > request on the public forum :-) > > > > > > It is a known fact that astrologers charge for readings and many > do > > > not wish to pay them for their services. This is a clear example > of > > > what we were discussing a few days ago. In this case, obviously > the > > > intentions of the reading requester are questionable! > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , neelam senecha > > > <nsenecha@> wrote: > > > > > > > > respected A V Pathiji, > > > > namaskar, > > > > thanks for showing interest in answering my queries. > > > > i am sure u have already studied my horoscope. but i don't > spend > > > on such things. i believe in helping poor persons or renovation > of > > > temples.it reflects in my horoscope. > > > > i have some interest in learning jyotish . that's why i gave my > > > queries on this forum. > > > > i think i know me & myself very well. it will be very helpful > in > > > understanding process. > > > > anyway thanks, > > > > regards > > > > ns > > > > ------------ --------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > venkatachala pathi <pathiav@> > > > > nsenecha <nsenecha@> > > > > Monday, November 17, 2008 4:44:06 AM > > > > Re: my health > > > > > > > > > > > > In case you wish to avail my services, I will be pleased attend > to > > > your requirement. I am in the field for last 46 years (aged 79), > and > > > widely popular in this field around many countries for many > years. > > > Please give me your land line address for my records. My charges > for > > > reading Horoscope is US $ 50/- each, and I will be sending > answers > > > for 4 questions asked by you over e-mail in four days from date > of > > > receipt of amount. I will be able to send you the copies of > charts > > > (North indian/South Indian) with Vimshothri Desa detail for an > extra > > > charge of US $ 10/- each. On hearing from you. I will inform you > the > > > mode of remittance. Blessings, > > > > > > > > > > > > A.V.Pathi, > > > > North Carolina, 27514, USA > > > > 001-919-960- 3833 > > > > Please contact me in ID kountinya29@ ) > > > > All private readings are chargeable.Disclaim er > > > > A.V.Pathi and his Astrology Team want to make it absolutely > clear > > > that no discipline is absolutely perfect. Hence, any prediction > that > > > you receive from us is not to be considered as a substitute for > > > advice, program, or treatment that you would normally receive > from a > > > licensed professional such as a lawyer, doctor, psychiatrist, or > > > financial advisor. A.V.Pathi and his team provide no guarantees, > > > implied warranties, or assurances of any kind, and will not be > > > responsible for any interpretation made or use by the recipient > of > > > the information and data mentioned above. By the Grace of God we > can > > > only try to give our best and hope that our efforts will improve > the > > > life of our customers. ~~A.V.Pathi, Astrologer and his team. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > nsenecha <nsenecha@> > > > > > > > > Saturday, November 1, 2008 10:36:46 PM > > > > my health > > > > > > > > > > > > happy diwali to all members. > > > > respected gurujis, > > > > pranam to u all. > > > > i am having many health problems like acute allergies, > > > > hypertension, uterus fibroids [operation recommended] ,fats.can > i > > > get > > > > over them? my DOB=15TH.APRIL1962, POB=MAWANA[ UP], TOB=22:30 > [+/ - > > > 20MINUTES] . > > > > imp. events in life=marriage in feb.1985,son was born in > > > > jan.1986,right hand & elbow fracture in nov. 1988, daughter in > > > > dec.1989. allergies since childhood[nose pollips].controlled in > > > 1984. > > > > but from 8-10 years around again activated along with above > > > mentioned > > > > problems. > > > > my husband is a scientist. his DOB=03JULY,1959; POB=PRATAPGARH [ > > > RAJ.] > > > > TOB=23:22. > > > > KINDLY explain my horoscope & suggest me something accordingly. > > > > with regards > > > > ns > > > > ------------ ------ > > > > p.s. can i have some knowledge of astrology? > > > > ------------ ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2008 Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 dear friends this thread is going on and on and is confusing the suffering querent, answering astrologers and readers alike. let me give my understanding of how an internet based astrology group functions. the net based astro group is like a venue where several astrologers offer free and/or paid readings, clarify doubts to fellow astrologers, share knowledge with astros and querents alike and other related stuff. this particular group jyotish remedies is visited mostly by querents who seek free readings or seek free remedies. some querents seek professional paid readings and also paid remedies. these querents are at liberty to choose their astrologers of choice and seek their personal readings or remedies on the astrologers' private mail and the concerned astrologers can offer or decline as per their wish. what transpires outside the group has nothing to do with the group. on ethical lines, the astrologers are not expected to write to the private id of the querents offering paid readings or paid remedies, unless the querent seeks from them speicifcally. we find asrologers having shops and websites where they offer their paid services. some astrologers put boards outside their homes and offer these paid services from thier homes too. in andhra there is a sect of foretellers (thousands in number) called koyadoras who keep on visiting road after road and city after city and state after state offering their predictions and remedies. my last word on this issue is that astrological consultancy, be it free or paid, is a subject matter of solicitation by the querent and the hundred percent preference, choice and right vests with the querent and the astrologer's role is only reactive and supportive in nature, AFTER the querent approach them. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy.com , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: > > Dear Bhaskarji > > thanks for seeing the subject in the FAIR WAY and my stand so far being vindicated here. > > we have a obligation to be seen as human being not otherwise and remember I said all that happens in public our stand must be different from private ones, we must say a few words lesse than ones involved in a exchange else importance of them itself is diluted. > > > prashant > > > ________________________________ > Bhaskar <rajiventerprises > > Thursday, November 20, 2008 8:26:29 AM > Re: my health 20/11 > > > Dear Neelamji, > > I have written a harsh mail to you, and take my words back, with a > apology. I never realised that the mail sent to you by Pathiji was > sent on his own,and on your personal id, without being requested for, > by you. > > I do not endorse such actions. You had the right to reject that mail. > > best wishes, > Bhaskar. > > , Prashant Kumar G B > <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > Dear RRji, > > > > a well laid out reply I tried the same and did not get the expected > response not sure how this is seen > > > > i had said both were wrong and more so a as ualso said aperson who > is not fully aware of how groups/internet works in this context i > said she can be given a benefit of doubt as much as Pathi ji as there > is nothing wrong in offering private help her major blame lies in > posting private mail in public > > > > and here i said this must be settled mutually by both , both taking > a public platform and abusing one another and unfortunately it became > one v/s many for solidarity it is goood but if that also happened in > public from start some part of it was in private space so they had to > go back there resolve it and be back either way > > > > I feel ur approach is the right one as u still have offred to read > her case inspite of all that happened we must retain a moral higher > ground than the ones we r advising. > > > > I had also asked the ones who doubted her to test her [hilantrophy > side by pointing top some temple or charity and see the action and > give her the appropriate treatment it is like for a traffic offence > like jumping the signal one gets a life term. > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > Thursday, November 20, 2008 5:32:41 AM > > Re: my health > > > > > > Dear Neelam, > > > > Thank you for your explanation and giving us all some more > > information about why you felt as if your privacy was encroached > upon > > by the astrologer who wrote to you privately. > > > > It is very important for each individual member to note carefully > the > > settings and surroundings in any group before joining in. > > allows two types of settings, one in which private emails can be > > hidden and the other where this is not the case. Both have their > > positives and negatives, with the former having potentially more > > headaches for the moderators because then anyone can join the forum > > and post all kinds of stuff. It is sad but my sympathies will be > with > > the owner/moderator in this situation. > > > > People must realize that when someone posts on a forum with > thousands > > of members, 'privacy' becomes a luxury. This is why many people > > prefer paid readings. On a public forum that allows emails to be > > displayed or allows the 'email' option, the given understanding is > > that anyone can approach you through that portal. If the offer was > > irrelevant and inflammatory, I would be siding with you but since > in > > this case you had requested astrological help and had not indicated > > that you do not wish to receive private offers for reading, for > which > > the onus was on you, I see no blame should be put on Mr. Pathi who > > had simply offered you with his astrological service. If he had > been > > pestering you with emails or so on, then you could have complained. > > > > In this case, simply put, you acted in bad faith and with unclear > > knowledge of where you were posting your request which you wished > to > > remain free but private, Mr. Pathi and not you is the injured party! > > > > Please note that I do not know Mr. Pathi from Adam but I do not see > > what wrong he did if all he did was send you ONE EMAIL offering his > > astrological services. > > > > You or anyone else may disagree with me but what is right is right! > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , " nsenecha " <nsenecha@ .> > > wrote: > > > > > > respected sir, > > > pranam. > > > sir, it is my polite request. plz. don't take it the other way. > > > > > > yes, it is true, it was a personal email but my id was taken from > > the > > > public forum. i was not knowing that he is allowed to send private > > > emails like this. i thought he should send it publicly. > > > i am not sorry for that. > > > > > > sir, you have the right to question my intentions for asking > > questions > > > here. i simply asked.if replied, thanked. if i wanted to know > more, > > > requested again politely. not answered. no problem. you can > confirm > > > this from forum itself. i never abused anyone & not replied the > > person > > > in his language who abused me publicly. i never complained. all > > > persons are different. we have to maintain our line. > > > > > > only thing i want to say is= if we trust you [ or your forum] and > > give > > > our personal details on public forum, no member should offer > > privately > > > . if he wants to help or give some offer for help, should give > here > > in > > > this forum only. > > > > > > sir, you tried to convince me like some elderly family member. it > is > > > my privilege. but to share my feelings with you is my right. > > > plz. this time do not question my intentions. i may be wrong. you > > can > > > point out my mistakes. > > > > > > i am happy to be a silent reader since last few days. i can learn > > this > > > way also. > > > > > > regards > > > ns > > > ---- > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > > <rohini_ranjan@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Neelam, > > > > > > > > Perhaps you do not realize but you have posted in public forum > > Mr. > > > > Pathi's private message quoting his fees! That is not > appropriate. > > > > > > > > This forum allows individuals to send private emails to > posters, > > but > > > > the posters then should not post such emails on the public > forum > > for > > > > obvious reasons. > > > > > > > > And this is not something that happens automatically as in > > pressing > > > > the replying to sender button etc. from your emailer. You would > > have > > > > to do some copying and pasting and so on. > > > > > > > > At first I thought Mr. Pathi posted the promotional message on > > open > > > > forum but then it seems that he sent a private email to you. > You > > had > > > > the right to refuse his advances but it should have been done > > > > privately and not in this manner. > > > > > > > > It makes one question your intentions for posting your original > > > > request on the public forum :-) > > > > > > > > It is a known fact that astrologers charge for readings and > many > > do > > > > not wish to pay them for their services. This is a clear > example > > of > > > > what we were discussing a few days ago. In this case, obviously > > the > > > > intentions of the reading requester are questionable! > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , neelam senecha > > > > <nsenecha@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > respected A V Pathiji, > > > > > namaskar, > > > > > thanks for showing interest in answering my queries. > > > > > i am sure u have already studied my horoscope. but i don't > > spend > > > > on such things. i believe in helping poor persons or renovation > > of > > > > temples.it reflects in my horoscope. > > > > > i have some interest in learning jyotish . that's why i gave > my > > > > queries on this forum. > > > > > i think i know me & myself very well. it will be very helpful > > in > > > > understanding process. > > > > > anyway thanks, > > > > > regards > > > > > ns > > > > > ------------ --------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > venkatachala pathi <pathiav@> > > > > > nsenecha <nsenecha@> > > > > > Monday, November 17, 2008 4:44:06 AM > > > > > Re: my health > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In case you wish to avail my services, I will be pleased > attend > > to > > > > your requirement. I am in the field for last 46 years (aged > 79), > > and > > > > widely popular in this field around many countries for many > > years. > > > > Please give me your land line address for my records. My > charges > > for > > > > reading Horoscope is US $ 50/- each, and I will be sending > > answers > > > > for 4 questions asked by you over e-mail in four days from date > > of > > > > receipt of amount. I will be able to send you the copies of > > charts > > > > (North indian/South Indian) with Vimshothri Desa detail for an > > extra > > > > charge of US $ 10/- each. On hearing from you. I will inform > you > > the > > > > mode of remittance. Blessings, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.V.Pathi, > > > > > North Carolina, 27514, USA > > > > > 001-919-960- 3833 > > > > > Please contact me in ID kountinya29@ ) > > > > > All private readings are chargeable.Disclaim er > > > > > A.V.Pathi and his Astrology Team want to make it absolutely > > clear > > > > that no discipline is absolutely perfect. Hence, any prediction > > that > > > > you receive from us is not to be considered as a substitute for > > > > advice, program, or treatment that you would normally receive > > from a > > > > licensed professional such as a lawyer, doctor, psychiatrist, > or > > > > financial advisor. A.V.Pathi and his team provide no > guarantees, > > > > implied warranties, or assurances of any kind, and will not be > > > > responsible for any interpretation made or use by the recipient > > of > > > > the information and data mentioned above. By the Grace of God > we > > can > > > > only try to give our best and hope that our efforts will > improve > > the > > > > life of our customers. ~~A.V.Pathi, Astrologer and his team. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > nsenecha <nsenecha@> > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, November 1, 2008 10:36:46 PM > > > > > my health > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happy diwali to all members. > > > > > respected gurujis, > > > > > pranam to u all. > > > > > i am having many health problems like acute allergies, > > > > > hypertension, uterus fibroids [operation > recommended] ,fats.can > > i > > > > get > > > > > over them? my DOB=15TH.APRIL1962, POB=MAWANA[ UP], TOB=22:30 > > [+/ - > > > > 20MINUTES] . > > > > > imp. events in life=marriage in feb.1985,son was born in > > > > > jan.1986,right hand & elbow fracture in nov. 1988, daughter in > > > > > dec.1989. allergies since childhood[nose pollips].controlled > in > > > > 1984. > > > > > but from 8-10 years around again activated along with above > > > > mentioned > > > > > problems. > > > > > my husband is a scientist. his DOB=03JULY,1959; POB=PRATAPGARH > [ > > > > RAJ.] > > > > > TOB=23:22. > > > > > KINDLY explain my horoscope & suggest me something > accordingly. > > > > > with regards > > > > > ns > > > > > ------------ ------ > > > > > p.s. can i have some knowledge of astrology? > > > > > ------------ ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2008 Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 Dear Pandit ji, Pranams. Your these lines sum it all - // on ethical lines, the astrologers are not expected to write to the private id of the querents offering paid readings or paid remedies, unless the querent seeks from them speicifcally.// // ........and the astrologer's role is only reactive and supportive in nature, AFTER the querent approach them. // Thank You for being straightforward and direct in talking. kind regards, Bhaskar. , " panditarjun2004 " <panditarjun2004 wrote: > > dear friends > > this thread is going on and on and is confusing the suffering > querent, answering astrologers and readers alike. > > let me give my understanding of how an internet based astrology group > functions. > > the net based astro group is like a venue where several astrologers > offer free and/or paid readings, clarify doubts to fellow > astrologers, share knowledge with astros and querents alike and other > related stuff. this particular group jyotish remedies is visited > mostly by querents who seek free readings or seek free remedies. > some querents seek professional paid readings and also paid > remedies. these querents are at liberty to choose their astrologers > of choice and seek their personal readings or remedies on the > astrologers' private mail and the concerned astrologers can offer or > decline as per their wish. what transpires outside the group has > nothing to do with the group. on ethical lines, the astrologers are > not expected to write to the private id of the querents offering paid > readings or paid remedies, unless the querent seeks from them > speicifcally. > > we find asrologers having shops and websites where they offer their > paid services. some astrologers put boards outside their homes and > offer these paid services from thier homes too. in andhra there is > a sect of foretellers (thousands in number) called koyadoras who keep > on visiting road after road and city after city and state after state > offering their predictions and remedies. > > my last word on this issue is that astrological consultancy, be it > free or paid, is a subject matter of solicitation by the querent and > the hundred percent preference, choice and right vests with the > querent and the astrologer's role is only reactive and supportive in > nature, AFTER the querent approach them. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > , Prashant Kumar G B > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskarji > > > > thanks for seeing the subject in the FAIR WAY and my stand so far > being vindicated here. > > > > we have a obligation to be seen as human being not otherwise and > remember I said all that happens in public our stand must be > different from private ones, we must say a few words lesse than ones > involved in a exchange else importance of them itself is diluted. > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > ________________________________ > > Bhaskar <rajiventerprises@> > > > > Thursday, November 20, 2008 8:26:29 AM > > Re: my health 20/11 > > > > > > Dear Neelamji, > > > > I have written a harsh mail to you, and take my words back, with a > > apology. I never realised that the mail sent to you by Pathiji was > > sent on his own,and on your personal id, without being requested > for, > > by you. > > > > I do not endorse such actions. You had the right to reject that > mail. > > > > best wishes, > > Bhaskar. > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > Dear RRji, > > > > > > a well laid out reply I tried the same and did not get the > expected > > response not sure how this is seen > > > > > > i had said both were wrong and more so a as ualso said aperson > who > > is not fully aware of how groups/internet works in this context i > > said she can be given a benefit of doubt as much as Pathi ji as > there > > is nothing wrong in offering private help her major blame lies in > > posting private mail in public > > > > > > and here i said this must be settled mutually by both , both > taking > > a public platform and abusing one another and unfortunately it > became > > one v/s many for solidarity it is goood but if that also happened > in > > public from start some part of it was in private space so they had > to > > go back there resolve it and be back either way > > > > > > I feel ur approach is the right one as u still have offred to > read > > her case inspite of all that happened we must retain a moral higher > > ground than the ones we r advising. > > > > > > I had also asked the ones who doubted her to test her > [hilantrophy > > side by pointing top some temple or charity and see the action > and > > give her the appropriate treatment it is like for a traffic offence > > like jumping the signal one gets a life term. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > Thursday, November 20, 2008 5:32:41 AM > > > Re: my health > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelam, > > > > > > Thank you for your explanation and giving us all some more > > > information about why you felt as if your privacy was encroached > > upon > > > by the astrologer who wrote to you privately. > > > > > > It is very important for each individual member to note carefully > > the > > > settings and surroundings in any group before joining in. > > > allows two types of settings, one in which private emails can be > > > hidden and the other where this is not the case. Both have their > > > positives and negatives, with the former having potentially more > > > headaches for the moderators because then anyone can join the > forum > > > and post all kinds of stuff. It is sad but my sympathies will be > > with > > > the owner/moderator in this situation. > > > > > > People must realize that when someone posts on a forum with > > thousands > > > of members, 'privacy' becomes a luxury. This is why many people > > > prefer paid readings. On a public forum that allows emails to be > > > displayed or allows the 'email' option, the given understanding > is > > > that anyone can approach you through that portal. If the offer > was > > > irrelevant and inflammatory, I would be siding with you but since > > in > > > this case you had requested astrological help and had not > indicated > > > that you do not wish to receive private offers for reading, for > > which > > > the onus was on you, I see no blame should be put on Mr. Pathi > who > > > had simply offered you with his astrological service. If he had > > been > > > pestering you with emails or so on, then you could have > complained. > > > > > > In this case, simply put, you acted in bad faith and with unclear > > > knowledge of where you were posting your request which you wished > > to > > > remain free but private, Mr. Pathi and not you is the injured > party! > > > > > > Please note that I do not know Mr. Pathi from Adam but I do not > see > > > what wrong he did if all he did was send you ONE EMAIL offering > his > > > astrological services. > > > > > > You or anyone else may disagree with me but what is right is > right! > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > , " nsenecha " > <nsenecha@ .> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > respected sir, > > > > pranam. > > > > sir, it is my polite request. plz. don't take it the other way. > > > > > > > > yes, it is true, it was a personal email but my id was taken > from > > > the > > > > public forum. i was not knowing that he is allowed to send > private > > > > emails like this. i thought he should send it publicly. > > > > i am not sorry for that. > > > > > > > > sir, you have the right to question my intentions for asking > > > questions > > > > here. i simply asked.if replied, thanked. if i wanted to know > > more, > > > > requested again politely. not answered. no problem. you can > > confirm > > > > this from forum itself. i never abused anyone & not replied the > > > person > > > > in his language who abused me publicly. i never complained. all > > > > persons are different. we have to maintain our line. > > > > > > > > only thing i want to say is= if we trust you [ or your forum] > and > > > give > > > > our personal details on public forum, no member should offer > > > privately > > > > . if he wants to help or give some offer for help, should give > > here > > > in > > > > this forum only. > > > > > > > > sir, you tried to convince me like some elderly family member. > it > > is > > > > my privilege. but to share my feelings with you is my right. > > > > plz. this time do not question my intentions. i may be wrong. > you > > > can > > > > point out my mistakes. > > > > > > > > i am happy to be a silent reader since last few days. i can > learn > > > this > > > > way also. > > > > > > > > regards > > > > ns > > > > ---- > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > > > <rohini_ranjan@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Neelam, > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps you do not realize but you have posted in public > forum > > > Mr. > > > > > Pathi's private message quoting his fees! That is not > > appropriate. > > > > > > > > > > This forum allows individuals to send private emails to > > posters, > > > but > > > > > the posters then should not post such emails on the public > > forum > > > for > > > > > obvious reasons. > > > > > > > > > > And this is not something that happens automatically as in > > > pressing > > > > > the replying to sender button etc. from your emailer. You > would > > > have > > > > > to do some copying and pasting and so on. > > > > > > > > > > At first I thought Mr. Pathi posted the promotional message > on > > > open > > > > > forum but then it seems that he sent a private email to you. > > You > > > had > > > > > the right to refuse his advances but it should have been done > > > > > privately and not in this manner. > > > > > > > > > > It makes one question your intentions for posting your > original > > > > > request on the public forum :-) > > > > > > > > > > It is a known fact that astrologers charge for readings and > > many > > > do > > > > > not wish to pay them for their services. This is a clear > > example > > > of > > > > > what we were discussing a few days ago. In this case, > obviously > > > the > > > > > intentions of the reading requester are questionable! > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , neelam senecha > > > > > <nsenecha@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > respected A V Pathiji, > > > > > > namaskar, > > > > > > thanks for showing interest in answering my queries. > > > > > > i am sure u have already studied my horoscope. but i don't > > > spend > > > > > on such things. i believe in helping poor persons or > renovation > > > of > > > > > temples.it reflects in my horoscope. > > > > > > i have some interest in learning jyotish . that's why i > gave > > my > > > > > queries on this forum. > > > > > > i think i know me & myself very well. it will be very > helpful > > > in > > > > > understanding process. > > > > > > anyway thanks, > > > > > > regards > > > > > > ns > > > > > > ------------ --------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > venkatachala pathi <pathiav@> > > > > > > nsenecha <nsenecha@> > > > > > > Monday, November 17, 2008 4:44:06 AM > > > > > > Re: my health > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In case you wish to avail my services, I will be pleased > > attend > > > to > > > > > your requirement. I am in the field for last 46 years (aged > > 79), > > > and > > > > > widely popular in this field around many countries for many > > > years. > > > > > Please give me your land line address for my records. My > > charges > > > for > > > > > reading Horoscope is US $ 50/- each, and I will be sending > > > answers > > > > > for 4 questions asked by you over e-mail in four days from > date > > > of > > > > > receipt of amount. I will be able to send you the copies of > > > charts > > > > > (North indian/South Indian) with Vimshothri Desa detail for > an > > > extra > > > > > charge of US $ 10/- each. On hearing from you. I will inform > > you > > > the > > > > > mode of remittance. Blessings, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.V.Pathi, > > > > > > North Carolina, 27514, USA > > > > > > 001-919-960- 3833 > > > > > > Please contact me in ID kountinya29@ ) > > > > > > All private readings are chargeable.Disclaim er > > > > > > A.V.Pathi and his Astrology Team want to make it absolutely > > > clear > > > > > that no discipline is absolutely perfect. Hence, any > prediction > > > that > > > > > you receive from us is not to be considered as a substitute > for > > > > > advice, program, or treatment that you would normally receive > > > from a > > > > > licensed professional such as a lawyer, doctor, psychiatrist, > > or > > > > > financial advisor. A.V.Pathi and his team provide no > > guarantees, > > > > > implied warranties, or assurances of any kind, and will not > be > > > > > responsible for any interpretation made or use by the > recipient > > > of > > > > > the information and data mentioned above. By the Grace of God > > we > > > can > > > > > only try to give our best and hope that our efforts will > > improve > > > the > > > > > life of our customers. ~~A.V.Pathi, Astrologer and his team. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > nsenecha <nsenecha@> > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, November 1, 2008 10:36:46 PM > > > > > > my health > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happy diwali to all members. > > > > > > respected gurujis, > > > > > > pranam to u all. > > > > > > i am having many health problems like acute allergies, > > > > > > hypertension, uterus fibroids [operation > > recommended] ,fats.can > > > i > > > > > get > > > > > > over them? my DOB=15TH.APRIL1962, POB=MAWANA[ UP], TOB=22:30 > > > [+/ - > > > > > 20MINUTES] . > > > > > > imp. events in life=marriage in feb.1985,son was born in > > > > > > jan.1986,right hand & elbow fracture in nov. 1988, daughter > in > > > > > > dec.1989. allergies since childhood[nose > pollips].controlled > > in > > > > > 1984. > > > > > > but from 8-10 years around again activated along with above > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > problems. > > > > > > my husband is a scientist. his DOB=03JULY,1959; > POB=PRATAPGARH > > [ > > > > > RAJ.] > > > > > > TOB=23:22. > > > > > > KINDLY explain my horoscope & suggest me something > > accordingly. > > > > > > with regards > > > > > > ns > > > > > > ------------ ------ > > > > > > p.s. can i have some knowledge of astrology? > > > > > > ------------ ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2008 Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 Dear Bhaskar Ji I am very happy to see this mail from you. I am a member of this forum since last three months and I am not an Astrologer As I am going through the mails I felt like knowing about you and yesterday I was looking for rajiventerprises in the net and I could get the website and found -- Site which is yours.I could read some of your postings as non- members also can access these posts and other contents of the site are for members only .Though the membership is free I did not become a member but strongly felt that I should talk to you .If you are willing I will talk to you. With Best Regards Sai ---------------------- Dear Members I would like to put forth some of my views in general as a member : As I could visualise this present Forum ( ) can be broadly divided into Five segments--- 1) Astrologers ( by Profession)- 2) Part time Astrologers ( Part time profession) 3) Astrologers- who spend their spare time for readings- as a free service or as a hobby or out of interest or as a part of knowledge enhancement in the subject etc. 4) Learner Astrologers - after some time they may get into any of the above segments 5) Members who would like to avail the services of the Astrologers belonging to any one or more of the above Segments . I belong to this Fifth segment and I have taken the services of the first Two segments even before I joined the forum and the third segment also after I joind this group.I once again thank all those who responded with their suggestions. I agree with the sentiments expressed by many of the Astrologers in the last couple of months since I joined , as they form the very basis for the existance of the Forum with the above Five segments . The Fifth segment is existing because of the first Four segments. It is the responsibility of the members of Fifth segment to protect the interests and existance of the first Four segments ,without which their ( Fifth ) self existance will be at stake. Also it is necessary that theFifth segment should exist without which the existance of the first four segments have no meaning. All are humanbeings in all the above Five segments . Different humenbeings have different nature and again can be divided in to different classes by their nature . Again in all Five Segments there can be all the above Classes of human-beings -- may be the numbers may be different, percentage may change and the degree may vary. All these segments are interacting together because of a Forum like this started by some members who belong to the first Four segments (mostly) and different Forums can have different philosophy,modalities, guidelines etc.. which again are common to all members of all the FIVE segments, with privileges to those who maintain this Forum ( Moderator ,Owner etc ) to see the smooth functioning of the FORUM - to maintain its basic existence in conformity with the guidelines set. No member of any segment should be taken for a ride by any other member of the same or any other segment for the smooth existence of the Forum. With Best regards to all Sai ________________________________ Bhaskar <rajiventerprises Thursday, November 20, 2008 8:26:29 AM Re: my health 20/11 Dear Neelamji, I have written a harsh mail to you, and take my words back, with a apology. I never realised that the mail sent to you by Pathiji was sent on his own,and on your personal id, without being requested for, by you. I do not endorse such actions. You had the right to reject that mail. best wishes, Bhaskar. , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@. ..> wrote: > > Dear RRji, > > a well laid out reply I tried the same and did not get the expected response not sure how this is seen > > i had said both were wrong and more so a as ualso said aperson who is not fully aware of how groups/internet works in this context i said she can be given a benefit of doubt as much as Pathi ji as there is nothing wrong in offering private help her major blame lies in posting private mail in public > > and here i said this must be settled mutually by both , both taking a public platform and abusing one another and unfortunately it became one v/s many for solidarity it is goood but if that also happened in public from start some part of it was in private space so they had to go back there resolve it and be back either way > > I feel ur approach is the right one as u still have offred to read her case inspite of all that happened we must retain a moral higher ground than the ones we r advising. > > I had also asked the ones who doubted her to test her [hilantrophy side by pointing top some temple or charity and see the action and give her the appropriate treatment it is like for a traffic offence like jumping the signal one gets a life term. > > > > > prashant > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > Thursday, November 20, 2008 5:32:41 AM > Re: my health > > > Dear Neelam, > > Thank you for your explanation and giving us all some more > information about why you felt as if your privacy was encroached upon > by the astrologer who wrote to you privately. > > It is very important for each individual member to note carefully the > settings and surroundings in any group before joining in. > allows two types of settings, one in which private emails can be > hidden and the other where this is not the case. Both have their > positives and negatives, with the former having potentially more > headaches for the moderators because then anyone can join the forum > and post all kinds of stuff. It is sad but my sympathies will be with > the owner/moderator in this situation. > > People must realize that when someone posts on a forum with thousands > of members, 'privacy' becomes a luxury. This is why many people > prefer paid readings. On a public forum that allows emails to be > displayed or allows the 'email' option, the given understanding is > that anyone can approach you through that portal. If the offer was > irrelevant and inflammatory, I would be siding with you but since in > this case you had requested astrological help and had not indicated > that you do not wish to receive private offers for reading, for which > the onus was on you, I see no blame should be put on Mr. Pathi who > had simply offered you with his astrological service. If he had been > pestering you with emails or so on, then you could have complained. > > In this case, simply put, you acted in bad faith and with unclear > knowledge of where you were posting your request which you wished to > remain free but private, Mr. Pathi and not you is the injured party! > > Please note that I do not know Mr. Pathi from Adam but I do not see > what wrong he did if all he did was send you ONE EMAIL offering his > astrological services. > > You or anyone else may disagree with me but what is right is right! > > Rohiniranjan > > , " nsenecha " <nsenecha@ .> > wrote: > > > > respected sir, > > pranam. > > sir, it is my polite request. plz. don't take it the other way. > > > > yes, it is true, it was a personal email but my id was taken from > the > > public forum. i was not knowing that he is allowed to send private > > emails like this. i thought he should send it publicly. > > i am not sorry for that. > > > > sir, you have the right to question my intentions for asking > questions > > here. i simply asked.if replied, thanked. if i wanted to know more, > > requested again politely. not answered. no problem. you can confirm > > this from forum itself. i never abused anyone & not replied the > person > > in his language who abused me publicly. i never complained. all > > persons are different. we have to maintain our line. > > > > only thing i want to say is= if we trust you [ or your forum] and > give > > our personal details on public forum, no member should offer > privately > > . if he wants to help or give some offer for help, should give here > in > > this forum only. > > > > sir, you tried to convince me like some elderly family member. it is > > my privilege. but to share my feelings with you is my right. > > plz. this time do not question my intentions. i may be wrong. you > can > > point out my mistakes. > > > > i am happy to be a silent reader since last few days. i can learn > this > > way also. > > > > regards > > ns > > ---- > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > <rohini_ranjan@ > wrote: > > > > > > Neelam, > > > > > > Perhaps you do not realize but you have posted in public forum > Mr. > > > Pathi's private message quoting his fees! That is not appropriate. > > > > > > This forum allows individuals to send private emails to posters, > but > > > the posters then should not post such emails on the public forum > for > > > obvious reasons. > > > > > > And this is not something that happens automatically as in > pressing > > > the replying to sender button etc. from your emailer.. You would > have > > > to do some copying and pasting and so on. > > > > > > At first I thought Mr. Pathi posted the promotional message on > open > > > forum but then it seems that he sent a private email to you. You > had > > > the right to refuse his advances but it should have been done > > > privately and not in this manner. > > > > > > It makes one question your intentions for posting your original > > > request on the public forum :-) > > > > > > It is a known fact that astrologers charge for readings and many > do > > > not wish to pay them for their services. This is a clear example > of > > > what we were discussing a few days ago. In this case, obviously > the > > > intentions of the reading requester are questionable! > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , neelam senecha > > > <nsenecha@> wrote: > > > > > > > > respected A V Pathiji, > > > > namaskar, > > > > thanks for showing interest in answering my queries. > > > > i am sure u have already studied my horoscope. but i don't > spend > > > on such things. i believe in helping poor persons or renovation > of > > > temples.it reflects in my horoscope. > > > > i have some interest in learning jyotish . that's why i gave my > > > queries on this forum. > > > > i think i know me & myself very well. it will be very helpful > in > > > understanding process. > > > > anyway thanks, > > > > regards > > > > ns > > > > ------------ --------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > venkatachala pathi <pathiav@> > > > > nsenecha <nsenecha@> > > > > Monday, November 17, 2008 4:44:06 AM > > > > Re: my health > > > > > > > > > > > > In case you wish to avail my services, I will be pleased attend > to > > > your requirement. I am in the field for last 46 years (aged 79), > and > > > widely popular in this field around many countries for many > years. > > > Please give me your land line address for my records. My charges > for > > > reading Horoscope is US $ 50/- each, and I will be sending > answers > > > for 4 questions asked by you over e-mail in four days from date > of > > > receipt of amount. I will be able to send you the copies of > charts > > > (North indian/South Indian) with Vimshothri Desa detail for an > extra > > > charge of US $ 10/- each. On hearing from you. I will inform you > the > > > mode of remittance. Blessings, > > > > > > > > > > > > A.V.Pathi, > > > > North Carolina, 27514, USA > > > > 001-919-960- 3833 > > > > Please contact me in ID kountinya29@ ) > > > > All private readings are chargeable.Disclaim er > > > > A.V.Pathi and his Astrology Team want to make it absolutely > clear > > > that no discipline is absolutely perfect. Hence, any prediction > that > > > you receive from us is not to be considered as a substitute for > > > advice, program, or treatment that you would normally receive > from a > > > licensed professional such as a lawyer, doctor, psychiatrist, or > > > financial advisor. A.V.Pathi and his team provide no guarantees, > > > implied warranties, or assurances of any kind, and will not be > > > responsible for any interpretation made or use by the recipient > of > > > the information and data mentioned above. By the Grace of God we > can > > > only try to give our best and hope that our efforts will improve > the > > > life of our customers. ~~A.V.Pathi, Astrologer and his team. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > nsenecha <nsenecha@> > > > > > > > > Saturday, November 1, 2008 10:36:46 PM > > > > my health > > > > > > > > > > > > happy diwali to all members. > > > > respected gurujis, > > > > pranam to u all. > > > > i am having many health problems like acute allergies, > > > > hypertension, uterus fibroids [operation recommended] ,fats.can > i > > > get > > > > over them? my DOB=15TH.APRIL1962, POB=MAWANA[ UP], TOB=22:30 > [+/ - > > > 20MINUTES] . > > > > imp. events in life=marriage in feb.1985,son was born in > > > > jan..1986,right hand & elbow fracture in nov. 1988, daughter in > > > > dec.1989. allergies since childhood[nose pollips].controlled in > > > 1984.. > > > > but from 8-10 years around again activated along with above > > > mentioned > > > > problems. > > > > my husband is a scientist. his DOB=03JULY,1959; POB=PRATAPGARH [ > > > RAJ.] > > > > TOB=23:22. > > > > KINDLY explain my horoscope & suggest me something accordingly. > > > > with regards > > > > ns > > > > ------------ ------ > > > > p.s. can i have some knowledge of astrology? > > > > ------------ ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2008 Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 dear bhaskarji and other members thanks for your good words. all along i have been treating astrologers akin to doctors, for doctors treat suffering patients to relieve them of their pain and suffering while astrologers find out the planetary and mythical (divine) afflictions and suggest suitable remedies. we find doctors with simple rmp, mbbs, md and other specialisations in each division and then you find small one room clinics to hospitals to polyclinics to superspeciality 5star hospitals which promote even medical tourism. similarly, we have astrologers in the traditional conservative rural areas, small time astrologers with shops in cities, established astrologers with proven testimonials of rich and famous in metros and of course the astrologers with their shops on the net too. suffering natives and querents have an array of astrologers of their choice to choose from, be it locally in their place of living or through an online consultation. sometimes doctors conduct free medical camps etc. similarly there are free astro reading groups on the net where a member is free to ask a free reading in that group. as a contributing astrologer in this group, our job is over once we give our reading. afterwards whether the querent comes back or go to another group is not ur concern. this is similar to a doctor's job getting over after testing the patient and giving his prescription of medicines. whether to buy medicines based on that prescription or visit another doctor and get another prescription, is the intellectual choice and right of the native about which we shall not bother. however, like all personal services in the services sector like doctors and advocates, astrologers too are professionals and there is no wrong in their offering paid professional services which this group moderator has permitted to present in the database section. both astrologers and querents shall treat each other with respect even if it is a free reading or a charity. for example, when devotees set up langars or free food distribution centres at pilgrimage places or elsewhere, they invite the visiting people who take the food with respect and treat them as gods for accepting their food. our scriptures narrate few vratas wherein the person prepares delicious food and offers it to various bhakts and his vrat is complete and he gets the merits and blessings only if the entire cooked food is distributed or consumed by others. if there are no visitors to take the food offered by the person doing the vrata, the vrata is a failure. with such importance given to visitors who are gods in disguise, let us all respect all alike, be it astrologers or querents. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy.com , " Bhaskar " <rajiventerprises wrote: > > Dear Pandit ji, > Pranams. > > Your these lines sum it all - > > // on ethical lines, the astrologers are not expected to write to the > private id of the querents offering paid readings or paid remedies, > unless the querent seeks from them speicifcally.// > > // ........and the astrologer's role is only reactive and supportive > in nature, AFTER the querent approach them. // > > Thank You for being straightforward and direct in talking. > > kind regards, > Bhaskar. , " panditarjun2004 " > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > dear friends > > > > this thread is going on and on and is confusing the suffering > > querent, answering astrologers and readers alike. > > > > let me give my understanding of how an internet based astrology > group > > functions. > > > > the net based astro group is like a venue where several astrologers > > offer free and/or paid readings, clarify doubts to fellow > > astrologers, share knowledge with astros and querents alike and > other > > related stuff. this particular group jyotish remedies is visited > > mostly by querents who seek free readings or seek free remedies. > > some querents seek professional paid readings and also paid > > remedies. these querents are at liberty to choose their > astrologers > > of choice and seek their personal readings or remedies on the > > astrologers' private mail and the concerned astrologers can offer > or > > decline as per their wish. what transpires outside the group has > > nothing to do with the group. on ethical lines, the astrologers > are > > not expected to write to the private id of the querents offering > paid > > readings or paid remedies, unless the querent seeks from them > > speicifcally. > > > > we find asrologers having shops and websites where they offer their > > paid services. some astrologers put boards outside their homes and > > offer these paid services from thier homes too. in andhra there > is > > a sect of foretellers (thousands in number) called koyadoras who > keep > > on visiting road after road and city after city and state after > state > > offering their predictions and remedies. > > > > my last word on this issue is that astrological consultancy, be it > > free or paid, is a subject matter of solicitation by the querent > and > > the hundred percent preference, choice and right vests with the > > querent and the astrologer's role is only reactive and supportive > in > > nature, AFTER the querent approach them. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji > > > > > > thanks for seeing the subject in the FAIR WAY and my stand so far > > being vindicated here. > > > > > > we have a obligation to be seen as human being not otherwise and > > remember I said all that happens in public our stand must be > > different from private ones, we must say a few words lesse than > ones > > involved in a exchange else importance of them itself is diluted. > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > Bhaskar <rajiventerprises@> > > > > > > Thursday, November 20, 2008 8:26:29 AM > > > Re: my health 20/11 > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelamji, > > > > > > I have written a harsh mail to you, and take my words back, with > a > > > apology. I never realised that the mail sent to you by Pathiji > was > > > sent on his own,and on your personal id, without being requested > > for, > > > by you. > > > > > > I do not endorse such actions. You had the right to reject that > > mail. > > > > > > best wishes, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, > > > > > > > > a well laid out reply I tried the same and did not get the > > expected > > > response not sure how this is seen > > > > > > > > i had said both were wrong and more so a as ualso said aperson > > who > > > is not fully aware of how groups/internet works in this context i > > > said she can be given a benefit of doubt as much as Pathi ji as > > there > > > is nothing wrong in offering private help her major blame lies in > > > posting private mail in public > > > > > > > > and here i said this must be settled mutually by both , both > > taking > > > a public platform and abusing one another and unfortunately it > > became > > > one v/s many for solidarity it is goood but if that also happened > > in > > > public from start some part of it was in private space so they > had > > to > > > go back there resolve it and be back either way > > > > > > > > I feel ur approach is the right one as u still have offred to > > read > > > her case inspite of all that happened we must retain a moral > higher > > > ground than the ones we r advising. > > > > > > > > I had also asked the ones who doubted her to test her > > [hilantrophy > > > side by pointing top some temple or charity and see the action > > and > > > give her the appropriate treatment it is like for a traffic > offence > > > like jumping the signal one gets a life term. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > > > Thursday, November 20, 2008 5:32:41 AM > > > > Re: my health > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelam, > > > > > > > > Thank you for your explanation and giving us all some more > > > > information about why you felt as if your privacy was > encroached > > > upon > > > > by the astrologer who wrote to you privately. > > > > > > > > It is very important for each individual member to note > carefully > > > the > > > > settings and surroundings in any group before joining in. > > > > allows two types of settings, one in which private emails can > be > > > > hidden and the other where this is not the case. Both have > their > > > > positives and negatives, with the former having potentially > more > > > > headaches for the moderators because then anyone can join the > > forum > > > > and post all kinds of stuff. It is sad but my sympathies will > be > > > with > > > > the owner/moderator in this situation. > > > > > > > > People must realize that when someone posts on a forum with > > > thousands > > > > of members, 'privacy' becomes a luxury. This is why many people > > > > prefer paid readings. On a public forum that allows emails to > be > > > > displayed or allows the 'email' option, the given understanding > > is > > > > that anyone can approach you through that portal. If the offer > > was > > > > irrelevant and inflammatory, I would be siding with you but > since > > > in > > > > this case you had requested astrological help and had not > > indicated > > > > that you do not wish to receive private offers for reading, for > > > which > > > > the onus was on you, I see no blame should be put on Mr. Pathi > > who > > > > had simply offered you with his astrological service. If he had > > > been > > > > pestering you with emails or so on, then you could have > > complained. > > > > > > > > In this case, simply put, you acted in bad faith and with > unclear > > > > knowledge of where you were posting your request which you > wished > > > to > > > > remain free but private, Mr. Pathi and not you is the injured > > party! > > > > > > > > Please note that I do not know Mr. Pathi from Adam but I do not > > see > > > > what wrong he did if all he did was send you ONE EMAIL offering > > his > > > > astrological services. > > > > > > > > You or anyone else may disagree with me but what is right is > > right! > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > , " nsenecha " > > <nsenecha@ .> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > respected sir, > > > > > pranam. > > > > > sir, it is my polite request. plz. don't take it the other > way. > > > > > > > > > > yes, it is true, it was a personal email but my id was taken > > from > > > > the > > > > > public forum. i was not knowing that he is allowed to send > > private > > > > > emails like this. i thought he should send it publicly. > > > > > i am not sorry for that. > > > > > > > > > > sir, you have the right to question my intentions for asking > > > > questions > > > > > here. i simply asked.if replied, thanked. if i wanted to know > > > more, > > > > > requested again politely. not answered. no problem. you can > > > confirm > > > > > this from forum itself. i never abused anyone & not replied > the > > > > person > > > > > in his language who abused me publicly. i never complained. > all > > > > > persons are different. we have to maintain our line. > > > > > > > > > > only thing i want to say is= if we trust you [ or your forum] > > and > > > > give > > > > > our personal details on public forum, no member should offer > > > > privately > > > > > . if he wants to help or give some offer for help, should > give > > > here > > > > in > > > > > this forum only. > > > > > > > > > > sir, you tried to convince me like some elderly family > member. > > it > > > is > > > > > my privilege. but to share my feelings with you is my right. > > > > > plz. this time do not question my intentions. i may be wrong. > > you > > > > can > > > > > point out my mistakes. > > > > > > > > > > i am happy to be a silent reader since last few days. i can > > learn > > > > this > > > > > way also. > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > ns > > > > > ---- > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > > > > <rohini_ranjan@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelam, > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps you do not realize but you have posted in public > > forum > > > > Mr. > > > > > > Pathi's private message quoting his fees! That is not > > > appropriate. > > > > > > > > > > > > This forum allows individuals to send private emails to > > > posters, > > > > but > > > > > > the posters then should not post such emails on the public > > > forum > > > > for > > > > > > obvious reasons. > > > > > > > > > > > > And this is not something that happens automatically as in > > > > pressing > > > > > > the replying to sender button etc. from your emailer. You > > would > > > > have > > > > > > to do some copying and pasting and so on. > > > > > > > > > > > > At first I thought Mr. Pathi posted the promotional message > > on > > > > open > > > > > > forum but then it seems that he sent a private email to > you. > > > You > > > > had > > > > > > the right to refuse his advances but it should have been > done > > > > > > privately and not in this manner. > > > > > > > > > > > > It makes one question your intentions for posting your > > original > > > > > > request on the public forum :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > It is a known fact that astrologers charge for readings and > > > many > > > > do > > > > > > not wish to pay them for their services. This is a clear > > > example > > > > of > > > > > > what we were discussing a few days ago. In this case, > > obviously > > > > the > > > > > > intentions of the reading requester are questionable! > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , neelam senecha > > > > > > <nsenecha@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > respected A V Pathiji, > > > > > > > namaskar, > > > > > > > thanks for showing interest in answering my queries. > > > > > > > i am sure u have already studied my horoscope. but i > don't > > > > spend > > > > > > on such things. i believe in helping poor persons or > > renovation > > > > of > > > > > > temples.it reflects in my horoscope. > > > > > > > i have some interest in learning jyotish . that's why i > > gave > > > my > > > > > > queries on this forum. > > > > > > > i think i know me & myself very well. it will be very > > helpful > > > > in > > > > > > understanding process. > > > > > > > anyway thanks, > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > ns > > > > > > > ------------ --------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > venkatachala pathi <pathiav@> > > > > > > > nsenecha <nsenecha@> > > > > > > > Monday, November 17, 2008 4:44:06 AM > > > > > > > Re: my health > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In case you wish to avail my services, I will be pleased > > > attend > > > > to > > > > > > your requirement. I am in the field for last 46 years (aged > > > 79), > > > > and > > > > > > widely popular in this field around many countries for many > > > > years. > > > > > > Please give me your land line address for my records. My > > > charges > > > > for > > > > > > reading Horoscope is US $ 50/- each, and I will be sending > > > > answers > > > > > > for 4 questions asked by you over e-mail in four days from > > date > > > > of > > > > > > receipt of amount. I will be able to send you the copies of > > > > charts > > > > > > (North indian/South Indian) with Vimshothri Desa detail for > > an > > > > extra > > > > > > charge of US $ 10/- each. On hearing from you. I will > inform > > > you > > > > the > > > > > > mode of remittance. Blessings, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.V.Pathi, > > > > > > > North Carolina, 27514, USA > > > > > > > 001-919-960- 3833 > > > > > > > Please contact me in ID kountinya29@ ) > > > > > > > All private readings are chargeable.Disclaim er > > > > > > > A.V.Pathi and his Astrology Team want to make it > absolutely > > > > clear > > > > > > that no discipline is absolutely perfect. Hence, any > > prediction > > > > that > > > > > > you receive from us is not to be considered as a substitute > > for > > > > > > advice, program, or treatment that you would normally > receive > > > > from a > > > > > > licensed professional such as a lawyer, doctor, > psychiatrist, > > > or > > > > > > financial advisor. A.V.Pathi and his team provide no > > > guarantees, > > > > > > implied warranties, or assurances of any kind, and will not > > be > > > > > > responsible for any interpretation made or use by the > > recipient > > > > of > > > > > > the information and data mentioned above. By the Grace of > God > > > we > > > > can > > > > > > only try to give our best and hope that our efforts will > > > improve > > > > the > > > > > > life of our customers. ~~A.V.Pathi, Astrologer and his > team. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > nsenecha <nsenecha@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, November 1, 2008 10:36:46 PM > > > > > > > my health > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happy diwali to all members. > > > > > > > respected gurujis, > > > > > > > pranam to u all. > > > > > > > i am having many health problems like acute allergies, > > > > > > > hypertension, uterus fibroids [operation > > > recommended] ,fats.can > > > > i > > > > > > get > > > > > > > over them? my DOB=15TH.APRIL1962, POB=MAWANA[ UP], > TOB=22:30 > > > > [+/ - > > > > > > 20MINUTES] . > > > > > > > imp. events in life=marriage in feb.1985,son was born in > > > > > > > jan.1986,right hand & elbow fracture in nov. 1988, > daughter > > in > > > > > > > dec.1989. allergies since childhood[nose > > pollips].controlled > > > in > > > > > > 1984. > > > > > > > but from 8-10 years around again activated along with > above > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > problems. > > > > > > > my husband is a scientist. his DOB=03JULY,1959; > > POB=PRATAPGARH > > > [ > > > > > > RAJ.] > > > > > > > TOB=23:22. > > > > > > > KINDLY explain my horoscope & suggest me something > > > accordingly. > > > > > > > with regards > > > > > > > ns > > > > > > > ------------ ------ > > > > > > > p.s. can i have some knowledge of astrology? > > > > > > > ------------ ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2008 Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 Dear Arjun hi, RRJi, Bhaskar ji, Pathi ji, a few good posts by u all an dI hope a v pathi takes this in th right spirit and continues to guide forum members here with his wosdom, and not take one experience out of proportion and leave us. each one of us have something to give and some thing to gain from one another. above all life is a never ending book with rich experiences good and bad and the pages we fill are there for rest to see. as arjun ji has said I had long ago created the database yellow pages where members can direct qurrents to seek professional help after convincing themselves of a few members reading s here I made a change in the groups home page making this clear too. which RRji said was needed I did this months ago with some much of such heated exerience over the years felt this is a necessity I had checked with the Owner Sri Tanveer ji and got his green signal and did this. what flows from this between 2 people seeking a private interaction/relationship is not the groups responsiblity is understood as well. as people go there by choice no compulsion. just providing some platform for it. as we don't have the luxury of time or relationships betwen our circles to know who is good in which city this is a global village so we can benefit and and equally help others. Best wishes prashant ________________________________ panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 Thursday, November 20, 2008 2:40:34 PM Re: my health 20/11 dear bhaskarji and other members thanks for your good words. all along i have been treating astrologers akin to doctors, for doctors treat suffering patients to relieve them of their pain and suffering while astrologers find out the planetary and mythical (divine) afflictions and suggest suitable remedies. we find doctors with simple rmp, mbbs, md and other specialisations in each division and then you find small one room clinics to hospitals to polyclinics to superspeciality 5star hospitals which promote even medical tourism. similarly, we have astrologers in the traditional conservative rural areas, small time astrologers with shops in cities, established astrologers with proven testimonials of rich and famous in metros and of course the astrologers with their shops on the net too. suffering natives and querents have an array of astrologers of their choice to choose from, be it locally in their place of living or through an online consultation. sometimes doctors conduct free medical camps etc. similarly there are free astro reading groups on the net where a member is free to ask a free reading in that group. as a contributing astrologer in this group, our job is over once we give our reading. afterwards whether the querent comes back or go to another group is not ur concern. this is similar to a doctor's job getting over after testing the patient and giving his prescription of medicines. whether to buy medicines based on that prescription or visit another doctor and get another prescription, is the intellectual choice and right of the native about which we shall not bother. however, like all personal services in the services sector like doctors and advocates, astrologers too are professionals and there is no wrong in their offering paid professional services which this group moderator has permitted to present in the database section. both astrologers and querents shall treat each other with respect even if it is a free reading or a charity. for example, when devotees set up langars or free food distribution centres at pilgrimage places or elsewhere, they invite the visiting people who take the food with respect and treat them as gods for accepting their food. our scriptures narrate few vratas wherein the person prepares delicious food and offers it to various bhakts and his vrat is complete and he gets the merits and blessings only if the entire cooked food is distributed or consumed by others. if there are no visitors to take the food offered by the person doing the vrata, the vrata is a failure. with such importance given to visitors who are gods in disguise, let us all respect all alike, be it astrologers or querents. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy .com , " Bhaskar " <rajiventerprises@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Pandit ji, > Pranams. > > Your these lines sum it all - > > // on ethical lines, the astrologers are not expected to write to the > private id of the querents offering paid readings or paid remedies, > unless the querent seeks from them speicifcally. // > > // ........and the astrologer's role is only reactive and supportive > in nature, AFTER the querent approach them. // > > Thank You for being straightforward and direct in talking. > > kind regards, > Bhaskar. , " panditarjun2004 " > <panditarjun2004@ > wrote: > > > > dear friends > > > > this thread is going on and on and is confusing the suffering > > querent, answering astrologers and readers alike. > > > > let me give my understanding of how an internet based astrology > group > > functions. > > > > the net based astro group is like a venue where several astrologers > > offer free and/or paid readings, clarify doubts to fellow > > astrologers, share knowledge with astros and querents alike and > other > > related stuff. this particular group jyotish remedies is visited > > mostly by querents who seek free readings or seek free remedies. > > some querents seek professional paid readings and also paid > > remedies. these querents are at liberty to choose their > astrologers > > of choice and seek their personal readings or remedies on the > > astrologers' private mail and the concerned astrologers can offer > or > > decline as per their wish. what transpires outside the group has > > nothing to do with the group. on ethical lines, the astrologers > are > > not expected to write to the private id of the querents offering > paid > > readings or paid remedies, unless the querent seeks from them > > speicifcally. > > > > we find asrologers having shops and websites where they offer their > > paid services. some astrologers put boards outside their homes and > > offer these paid services from thier homes too. in andhra there > is > > a sect of foretellers (thousands in number) called koyadoras who > keep > > on visiting road after road and city after city and state after > state > > offering their predictions and remedies. > > > > my last word on this issue is that astrological consultancy, be it > > free or paid, is a subject matter of solicitation by the querent > and > > the hundred percent preference, choice and right vests with the > > querent and the astrologer's role is only reactive and supportive > in > > nature, AFTER the querent approach them. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji > > > > > > thanks for seeing the subject in the FAIR WAY and my stand so far > > being vindicated here. > > > > > > we have a obligation to be seen as human being not otherwise and > > remember I said all that happens in public our stand must be > > different from private ones, we must say a few words lesse than > ones > > involved in a exchange else importance of them itself is diluted. > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Bhaskar <rajiventerprises@ > > > > > > > Thursday, November 20, 2008 8:26:29 AM > > > Re: my health 20/11 > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelamji, > > > > > > I have written a harsh mail to you, and take my words back, with > a > > > apology. I never realised that the mail sent to you by Pathiji > was > > > sent on his own,and on your personal id, without being requested > > for, > > > by you. > > > > > > I do not endorse such actions. You had the right to reject that > > mail. > > > > > > best wishes, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, > > > > > > > > a well laid out reply I tried the same and did not get the > > expected > > > response not sure how this is seen > > > > > > > > i had said both were wrong and more so a as ualso said aperson > > who > > > is not fully aware of how groups/internet works in this context i > > > said she can be given a benefit of doubt as much as Pathi ji as > > there > > > is nothing wrong in offering private help her major blame lies in > > > posting private mail in public > > > > > > > > and here i said this must be settled mutually by both , both > > taking > > > a public platform and abusing one another and unfortunately it > > became > > > one v/s many for solidarity it is goood but if that also happened > > in > > > public from start some part of it was in private space so they > had > > to > > > go back there resolve it and be back either way > > > > > > > > I feel ur approach is the right one as u still have offred to > > read > > > her case inspite of all that happened we must retain a moral > higher > > > ground than the ones we r advising. > > > > > > > > I had also asked the ones who doubted her to test her > > [hilantrophy > > > side by pointing top some temple or charity and see the action > > and > > > give her the appropriate treatment it is like for a traffic > offence > > > like jumping the signal one gets a life term. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > > > Thursday, November 20, 2008 5:32:41 AM > > > > Re: my health > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelam, > > > > > > > > Thank you for your explanation and giving us all some more > > > > information about why you felt as if your privacy was > encroached > > > upon > > > > by the astrologer who wrote to you privately. > > > > > > > > It is very important for each individual member to note > carefully > > > the > > > > settings and surroundings in any group before joining in. > > > > allows two types of settings, one in which private emails can > be > > > > hidden and the other where this is not the case. Both have > their > > > > positives and negatives, with the former having potentially > more > > > > headaches for the moderators because then anyone can join the > > forum > > > > and post all kinds of stuff. It is sad but my sympathies will > be > > > with > > > > the owner/moderator in this situation. > > > > > > > > People must realize that when someone posts on a forum with > > > thousands > > > > of members, 'privacy' becomes a luxury. This is why many people > > > > prefer paid readings. On a public forum that allows emails to > be > > > > displayed or allows the 'email' option, the given understanding > > is > > > > that anyone can approach you through that portal. If the offer > > was > > > > irrelevant and inflammatory, I would be siding with you but > since > > > in > > > > this case you had requested astrological help and had not > > indicated > > > > that you do not wish to receive private offers for reading, for > > > which > > > > the onus was on you, I see no blame should be put on Mr. Pathi > > who > > > > had simply offered you with his astrological service. If he had > > > been > > > > pestering you with emails or so on, then you could have > > complained. > > > > > > > > In this case, simply put, you acted in bad faith and with > unclear > > > > knowledge of where you were posting your request which you > wished > > > to > > > > remain free but private, Mr. Pathi and not you is the injured > > party! > > > > > > > > Please note that I do not know Mr. Pathi from Adam but I do not > > see > > > > what wrong he did if all he did was send you ONE EMAIL offering > > his > > > > astrological services. > > > > > > > > You or anyone else may disagree with me but what is right is > > right! > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > , " nsenecha " > > <nsenecha@ .> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > respected sir, > > > > > pranam. > > > > > sir, it is my polite request. plz. don't take it the other > way. > > > > > > > > > > yes, it is true, it was a personal email but my id was taken > > from > > > > the > > > > > public forum. i was not knowing that he is allowed to send > > private > > > > > emails like this. i thought he should send it publicly. > > > > > i am not sorry for that. > > > > > > > > > > sir, you have the right to question my intentions for asking > > > > questions > > > > > here. i simply asked.if replied, thanked. if i wanted to know > > > more, > > > > > requested again politely. not answered. no problem. you can > > > confirm > > > > > this from forum itself. i never abused anyone & not replied > the > > > > person > > > > > in his language who abused me publicly. i never complained. > all > > > > > persons are different. we have to maintain our line. > > > > > > > > > > only thing i want to say is= if we trust you [ or your forum] > > and > > > > give > > > > > our personal details on public forum, no member should offer > > > > privately > > > > > . if he wants to help or give some offer for help, should > give > > > here > > > > in > > > > > this forum only. > > > > > > > > > > sir, you tried to convince me like some elderly family > member. > > it > > > is > > > > > my privilege. but to share my feelings with you is my right. > > > > > plz. this time do not question my intentions. i may be wrong. > > you > > > > can > > > > > point out my mistakes. > > > > > > > > > > i am happy to be a silent reader since last few days. i can > > learn > > > > this > > > > > way also. > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > ns > > > > > ---- > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > > > > <rohini_ranjan@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelam, > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps you do not realize but you have posted in public > > forum > > > > Mr. > > > > > > Pathi's private message quoting his fees! That is not > > > appropriate. > > > > > > > > > > > > This forum allows individuals to send private emails to > > > posters, > > > > but > > > > > > the posters then should not post such emails on the public > > > forum > > > > for > > > > > > obvious reasons. > > > > > > > > > > > > And this is not something that happens automatically as in > > > > pressing > > > > > > the replying to sender button etc. from your emailer. You > > would > > > > have > > > > > > to do some copying and pasting and so on. > > > > > > > > > > > > At first I thought Mr. Pathi posted the promotional message > > on > > > > open > > > > > > forum but then it seems that he sent a private email to > you. > > > You > > > > had > > > > > > the right to refuse his advances but it should have been > done > > > > > > privately and not in this manner. > > > > > > > > > > > > It makes one question your intentions for posting your > > original > > > > > > request on the public forum :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > It is a known fact that astrologers charge for readings and > > > many > > > > do > > > > > > not wish to pay them for their services. This is a clear > > > example > > > > of > > > > > > what we were discussing a few days ago. In this case, > > obviously > > > > the > > > > > > intentions of the reading requester are questionable! > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , neelam senecha > > > > > > <nsenecha@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > respected A V Pathiji, > > > > > > > namaskar, > > > > > > > thanks for showing interest in answering my queries. > > > > > > > i am sure u have already studied my horoscope. but i > don't > > > > spend > > > > > > on such things. i believe in helping poor persons or > > renovation > > > > of > > > > > > temples.it reflects in my horoscope. > > > > > > > i have some interest in learning jyotish . that's why i > > gave > > > my > > > > > > queries on this forum. > > > > > > > i think i know me & myself very well. it will be very > > helpful > > > > in > > > > > > understanding process. > > > > > > > anyway thanks, > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > ns > > > > > > > ------------ --------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > venkatachala pathi <pathiav@> > > > > > > > nsenecha <nsenecha@> > > > > > > > Monday, November 17, 2008 4:44:06 AM > > > > > > > Re: my health > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In case you wish to avail my services, I will be pleased > > > attend > > > > to > > > > > > your requirement. I am in the field for last 46 years (aged > > > 79), > > > > and > > > > > > widely popular in this field around many countries for many > > > > years. > > > > > > Please give me your land line address for my records. My > > > charges > > > > for > > > > > > reading Horoscope is US $ 50/- each, and I will be sending > > > > answers > > > > > > for 4 questions asked by you over e-mail in four days from > > date > > > > of > > > > > > receipt of amount. I will be able to send you the copies of > > > > charts > > > > > > (North indian/South Indian) with Vimshothri Desa detail for > > an > > > > extra > > > > > > charge of US $ 10/- each. On hearing from you. I will > inform > > > you > > > > the > > > > > > mode of remittance. Blessings, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.V.Pathi, > > > > > > > North Carolina, 27514, USA > > > > > > > 001-919-960- 3833 > > > > > > > Please contact me in ID kountinya29@ ) > > > > > > > All private readings are chargeable.Disclaim er > > > > > > > A.V.Pathi and his Astrology Team want to make it > absolutely > > > > clear > > > > > > that no discipline is absolutely perfect. Hence, any > > prediction > > > > that > > > > > > you receive from us is not to be considered as a substitute > > for > > > > > > advice, program, or treatment that you would normally > receive > > > > from a > > > > > > licensed professional such as a lawyer, doctor, > psychiatrist, > > > or > > > > > > financial advisor. A.V.Pathi and his team provide no > > > guarantees, > > > > > > implied warranties, or assurances of any kind, and will not > > be > > > > > > responsible for any interpretation made or use by the > > recipient > > > > of > > > > > > the information and data mentioned above. By the Grace of > God > > > we > > > > can > > > > > > only try to give our best and hope that our efforts will > > > improve > > > > the > > > > > > life of our customers. ~~A.V.Pathi, Astrologer and his > team. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > nsenecha <nsenecha@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, November 1, 2008 10:36:46 PM > > > > > > > my health > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happy diwali to all members. > > > > > > > respected gurujis, > > > > > > > pranam to u all. > > > > > > > i am having many health problems like acute allergies, > > > > > > > hypertension, uterus fibroids [operation > > > recommended] ,fats.can > > > > i > > > > > > get > > > > > > > over them? my DOB=15TH.APRIL1962, POB=MAWANA[ UP], > TOB=22:30 > > > > [+/ - > > > > > > 20MINUTES] . > > > > > > > imp. events in life=marriage in feb.1985,son was born in > > > > > > > jan.1986,right hand & elbow fracture in nov. 1988, > daughter > > in > > > > > > > dec.1989. allergies since childhood[nose > > pollips].controlled > > > in > > > > > > 1984. > > > > > > > but from 8-10 years around again activated along with > above > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > problems. > > > > > > > my husband is a scientist. his DOB=03JULY,1959; > > POB=PRATAPGARH > > > [ > > > > > > RAJ.] > > > > > > > TOB=23:22. > > > > > > > KINDLY explain my horoscope & suggest me something > > > accordingly. > > > > > > > with regards > > > > > > > ns > > > > > > > ------------ ------ > > > > > > > p.s. can i have some knowledge of astrology? > > > > > > > ------------ ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2008 Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 a very good evening to allof you             few days back when i posted my query there was a lots of debate Afterwards I stopped putting my point of view fine now one of the persons is inquiring in this forum as well as jyotish ganga also .He says he is need ful Now I can say so am I Now can any one preach me &  talk about ethics now why there are no arguements & counter arguements Can you people now justify yourself Now I can also request to forward my query Is it so   any comments ????????????????????????? --- On Thu, 20/11/08, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar Re: Re: my health 20/11 Thursday, 20 November, 2008, 11:24 AM Dear Arjun hi, RRJi, Bhaskar ji, Pathi ji, a few good posts by u all an dI hope a v pathi takes this in th right spirit and continues to guide forum members here with his wosdom, and not take one experience out of proportion and leave us. each one of us have something to give and some thing to gain from one another. above all life is a never ending book with rich experiences good and bad and the pages we fill are there for rest to see. as arjun ji has said I had long ago created the database yellow pages where members can direct qurrents to seek professional help after convincing themselves of a few members reading s here I made a change in the groups home page making this clear too. which RRji said was needed I did this months ago with some much of such heated exerience over the years felt this is a necessity I had checked with the Owner Sri Tanveer ji and got his green signal and did this. what flows from this between 2 people seeking a private interaction/ relationship is not the groups responsiblity is understood as well. as people go there by choice no compulsion. just providing some platform for it. as we don't have the luxury of time or relationships betwen our circles to know who is good in which city this is a global village so we can benefit and and equally help others. Best wishes prashant ____________ _________ _________ __ panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > Thursday, November 20, 2008 2:40:34 PM Re: my health 20/11 dear bhaskarji and other members thanks for your good words. all along i have been treating astrologers akin to doctors, for doctors treat suffering patients to relieve them of their pain and suffering while astrologers find out the planetary and mythical (divine) afflictions and suggest suitable remedies. we find doctors with simple rmp, mbbs, md and other specialisations in each division and then you find small one room clinics to hospitals to polyclinics to superspeciality 5star hospitals which promote even medical tourism. similarly, we have astrologers in the traditional conservative rural areas, small time astrologers with shops in cities, established astrologers with proven testimonials of rich and famous in metros and of course the astrologers with their shops on the net too. suffering natives and querents have an array of astrologers of their choice to choose from, be it locally in their place of living or through an online consultation. sometimes doctors conduct free medical camps etc. similarly there are free astro reading groups on the net where a member is free to ask a free reading in that group. as a contributing astrologer in this group, our job is over once we give our reading. afterwards whether the querent comes back or go to another group is not ur concern. this is similar to a doctor's job getting over after testing the patient and giving his prescription of medicines. whether to buy medicines based on that prescription or visit another doctor and get another prescription, is the intellectual choice and right of the native about which we shall not bother. however, like all personal services in the services sector like doctors and advocates, astrologers too are professionals and there is no wrong in their offering paid professional services which this group moderator has permitted to present in the database section. both astrologers and querents shall treat each other with respect even if it is a free reading or a charity. for example, when devotees set up langars or free food distribution centres at pilgrimage places or elsewhere, they invite the visiting people who take the food with respect and treat them as gods for accepting their food. our scriptures narrate few vratas wherein the person prepares delicious food and offers it to various bhakts and his vrat is complete and he gets the merits and blessings only if the entire cooked food is distributed or consumed by others. if there are no visitors to take the food offered by the person doing the vrata, the vrata is a failure. with such importance given to visitors who are gods in disguise, let us all respect all alike, be it astrologers or querents. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy .com , " Bhaskar " <rajiventerprises@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Pandit ji, > Pranams. > > Your these lines sum it all - > > // on ethical lines, the astrologers are not expected to write to the > private id of the querents offering paid readings or paid remedies, > unless the querent seeks from them speicifcally. // > > // ........and the astrologer's role is only reactive and supportive > in nature, AFTER the querent approach them. // > > Thank You for being straightforward and direct in talking. > > kind regards, > Bhaskar. , " panditarjun2004 " > <panditarjun2004@ > wrote: > > > > dear friends > > > > this thread is going on and on and is confusing the suffering > > querent, answering astrologers and readers alike. > > > > let me give my understanding of how an internet based astrology > group > > functions. > > > > the net based astro group is like a venue where several astrologers > > offer free and/or paid readings, clarify doubts to fellow > > astrologers, share knowledge with astros and querents alike and > other > > related stuff. this particular group jyotish remedies is visited > > mostly by querents who seek free readings or seek free remedies. > > some querents seek professional paid readings and also paid > > remedies. these querents are at liberty to choose their > astrologers > > of choice and seek their personal readings or remedies on the > > astrologers' private mail and the concerned astrologers can offer > or > > decline as per their wish. what transpires outside the group has > > nothing to do with the group. on ethical lines, the astrologers > are > > not expected to write to the private id of the querents offering > paid > > readings or paid remedies, unless the querent seeks from them > > speicifcally. > > > > we find asrologers having shops and websites where they offer their > > paid services. some astrologers put boards outside their homes and > > offer these paid services from thier homes too. in andhra there > is > > a sect of foretellers (thousands in number) called koyadoras who > keep > > on visiting road after road and city after city and state after > state > > offering their predictions and remedies. > > > > my last word on this issue is that astrological consultancy, be it > > free or paid, is a subject matter of solicitation by the querent > and > > the hundred percent preference, choice and right vests with the > > querent and the astrologer's role is only reactive and supportive > in > > nature, AFTER the querent approach them. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji > > > > > > thanks for seeing the subject in the FAIR WAY and my stand so far > > being vindicated here. > > > > > > we have a obligation to be seen as human being not otherwise and > > remember I said all that happens in public our stand must be > > different from private ones, we must say a few words lesse than > ones > > involved in a exchange else importance of them itself is diluted. > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Bhaskar <rajiventerprises@ > > > > > > > Thursday, November 20, 2008 8:26:29 AM > > > Re: my health 20/11 > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelamji, > > > > > > I have written a harsh mail to you, and take my words back, with > a > > > apology. I never realised that the mail sent to you by Pathiji > was > > > sent on his own,and on your personal id, without being requested > > for, > > > by you. > > > > > > I do not endorse such actions. You had the right to reject that > > mail. > > > > > > best wishes, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, > > > > > > > > a well laid out reply I tried the same and did not get the > > expected > > > response not sure how this is seen > > > > > > > > i had said both were wrong and more so a as ualso said aperson > > who > > > is not fully aware of how groups/internet works in this context i > > > said she can be given a benefit of doubt as much as Pathi ji as > > there > > > is nothing wrong in offering private help her major blame lies in > > > posting private mail in public > > > > > > > > and here i said this must be settled mutually by both , both > > taking > > > a public platform and abusing one another and unfortunately it > > became > > > one v/s many for solidarity it is goood but if that also happened > > in > > > public from start some part of it was in private space so they > had > > to > > > go back there resolve it and be back either way > > > > > > > > I feel ur approach is the right one as u still have offred to > > read > > > her case inspite of all that happened we must retain a moral > higher > > > ground than the ones we r advising. > > > > > > > > I had also asked the ones who doubted her to test her > > [hilantrophy > > > side by pointing top some temple or charity and see the action > > and > > > give her the appropriate treatment it is like for a traffic > offence > > > like jumping the signal one gets a life term. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > > > Thursday, November 20, 2008 5:32:41 AM > > > > Re: my health > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelam, > > > > > > > > Thank you for your explanation and giving us all some more > > > > information about why you felt as if your privacy was > encroached > > > upon > > > > by the astrologer who wrote to you privately. > > > > > > > > It is very important for each individual member to note > carefully > > > the > > > > settings and surroundings in any group before joining in. > > > > allows two types of settings, one in which private emails can > be > > > > hidden and the other where this is not the case. Both have > their > > > > positives and negatives, with the former having potentially > more > > > > headaches for the moderators because then anyone can join the > > forum > > > > and post all kinds of stuff. It is sad but my sympathies will > be > > > with > > > > the owner/moderator in this situation. > > > > > > > > People must realize that when someone posts on a forum with > > > thousands > > > > of members, 'privacy' becomes a luxury. This is why many people > > > > prefer paid readings. On a public forum that allows emails to > be > > > > displayed or allows the 'email' option, the given understanding > > is > > > > that anyone can approach you through that portal. If the offer > > was > > > > irrelevant and inflammatory, I would be siding with you but > since > > > in > > > > this case you had requested astrological help and had not > > indicated > > > > that you do not wish to receive private offers for reading, for > > > which > > > > the onus was on you, I see no blame should be put on Mr. Pathi > > who > > > > had simply offered you with his astrological service. If he had > > > been > > > > pestering you with emails or so on, then you could have > > complained. > > > > > > > > In this case, simply put, you acted in bad faith and with > unclear > > > > knowledge of where you were posting your request which you > wished > > > to > > > > remain free but private, Mr. Pathi and not you is the injured > > party! > > > > > > > > Please note that I do not know Mr. Pathi from Adam but I do not > > see > > > > what wrong he did if all he did was send you ONE EMAIL offering > > his > > > > astrological services. > > > > > > > > You or anyone else may disagree with me but what is right is > > right! > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > , " nsenecha " > > <nsenecha@ .> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > respected sir, > > > > > pranam. > > > > > sir, it is my polite request. plz. don't take it the other > way. > > > > > > > > > > yes, it is true, it was a personal email but my id was taken > > from > > > > the > > > > > public forum. i was not knowing that he is allowed to send > > private > > > > > emails like this. i thought he should send it publicly. > > > > > i am not sorry for that. > > > > > > > > > > sir, you have the right to question my intentions for asking > > > > questions > > > > > here. i simply asked.if replied, thanked. if i wanted to know > > > more, > > > > > requested again politely. not answered. no problem. you can > > > confirm > > > > > this from forum itself. i never abused anyone & not replied > the > > > > person > > > > > in his language who abused me publicly. i never complained. > all > > > > > persons are different. we have to maintain our line. > > > > > > > > > > only thing i want to say is= if we trust you [ or your forum] > > and > > > > give > > > > > our personal details on public forum, no member should offer > > > > privately > > > > > . if he wants to help or give some offer for help, should > give > > > here > > > > in > > > > > this forum only. > > > > > > > > > > sir, you tried to convince me like some elderly family > member. > > it > > > is > > > > > my privilege. but to share my feelings with you is my right. > > > > > plz. this time do not question my intentions. i may be wrong. > > you > > > > can > > > > > point out my mistakes. > > > > > > > > > > i am happy to be a silent reader since last few days. i can > > learn > > > > this > > > > > way also. > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > ns > > > > > ---- > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > > > > <rohini_ranjan@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelam, > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps you do not realize but you have posted in public > > forum > > > > Mr. > > > > > > Pathi's private message quoting his fees! That is not > > > appropriate. > > > > > > > > > > > > This forum allows individuals to send private emails to > > > posters, > > > > but > > > > > > the posters then should not post such emails on the public > > > forum > > > > for > > > > > > obvious reasons. > > > > > > > > > > > > And this is not something that happens automatically as in > > > > pressing > > > > > > the replying to sender button etc. from your emailer. You > > would > > > > have > > > > > > to do some copying and pasting and so on. > > > > > > > > > > > > At first I thought Mr. Pathi posted the promotional message > > on > > > > open > > > > > > forum but then it seems that he sent a private email to > you. > > > You > > > > had > > > > > > the right to refuse his advances but it should have been > done > > > > > > privately and not in this manner. > > > > > > > > > > > > It makes one question your intentions for posting your > > original > > > > > > request on the public forum :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > It is a known fact that astrologers charge for readings and > > > many > > > > do > > > > > > not wish to pay them for their services. This is a clear > > > example > > > > of > > > > > > what we were discussing a few days ago. In this case, > > obviously > > > > the > > > > > > intentions of the reading requester are questionable! > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , neelam senecha > > > > > > <nsenecha@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > respected A V Pathiji, > > > > > > > namaskar, > > > > > > > thanks for showing interest in answering my queries. > > > > > > > i am sure u have already studied my horoscope. but i > don't > > > > spend > > > > > > on such things. i believe in helping poor persons or > > renovation > > > > of > > > > > > temples.it reflects in my horoscope. > > > > > > > i have some interest in learning jyotish . that's why i > > gave > > > my > > > > > > queries on this forum. > > > > > > > i think i know me & myself very well. it will be very > > helpful > > > > in > > > > > > understanding process. > > > > > > > anyway thanks, > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > ns > > > > > > > ------------ --------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > venkatachala pathi <pathiav@> > > > > > > > nsenecha <nsenecha@> > > > > > > > Monday, November 17, 2008 4:44:06 AM > > > > > > > Re: my health > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In case you wish to avail my services, I will be pleased > > > attend > > > > to > > > > > > your requirement. I am in the field for last 46 years (aged > > > 79), > > > > and > > > > > > widely popular in this field around many countries for many > > > > years. > > > > > > Please give me your land line address for my records. My > > > charges > > > > for > > > > > > reading Horoscope is US $ 50/- each, and I will be sending > > > > answers > > > > > > for 4 questions asked by you over e-mail in four days from > > date > > > > of > > > > > > receipt of amount. I will be able to send you the copies of > > > > charts > > > > > > (North indian/South Indian) with Vimshothri Desa detail for > > an > > > > extra > > > > > > charge of US $ 10/- each. On hearing from you. I will > inform > > > you > > > > the > > > > > > mode of remittance. Blessings, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.V.Pathi, > > > > > > > North Carolina, 27514, USA > > > > > > > 001-919-960- 3833 > > > > > > > Please contact me in ID kountinya29@ ) > > > > > > > All private readings are chargeable.Disclaim er > > > > > > > A.V.Pathi and his Astrology Team want to make it > absolutely > > > > clear > > > > > > that no discipline is absolutely perfect. Hence, any > > prediction > > > > that > > > > > > you receive from us is not to be considered as a substitute > > for > > > > > > advice, program, or treatment that you would normally > receive > > > > from a > > > > > > licensed professional such as a lawyer, doctor, > psychiatrist, > > > or > > > > > > financial advisor. A.V.Pathi and his team provide no > > > guarantees, > > > > > > implied warranties, or assurances of any kind, and will not > > be > > > > > > responsible for any interpretation made or use by the > > recipient > > > > of > > > > > > the information and data mentioned above. By the Grace of > God > > > we > > > > can > > > > > > only try to give our best and hope that our efforts will > > > improve > > > > the > > > > > > life of our customers. ~~A.V.Pathi, Astrologer and his > team. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > nsenecha <nsenecha@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, November 1, 2008 10:36:46 PM > > > > > > > my health > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happy diwali to all members. > > > > > > > respected gurujis, > > > > > > > pranam to u all. > > > > > > > i am having many health problems like acute allergies, > > > > > > > hypertension, uterus fibroids [operation > > > recommended] ,fats.can > > > > i > > > > > > get > > > > > > > over them? my DOB=15TH.APRIL1962, POB=MAWANA[ UP], > TOB=22:30 > > > > [+/ - > > > > > > 20MINUTES] . > > > > > > > imp. events in life=marriage in feb.1985,son was born in > > > > > > > jan.1986,right hand & elbow fracture in nov. 1988, > daughter > > in > > > > > > > dec.1989. allergies since childhood[nose > > pollips].controlled > > > in > > > > > > 1984. > > > > > > > but from 8-10 years around again activated along with > above > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > problems. > > > > > > > my husband is a scientist. his DOB=03JULY,1959; > > POB=PRATAPGARH > > > [ > > > > > > RAJ.] > > > > > > > TOB=23:22. > > > > > > > KINDLY explain my horoscope & suggest me something > > > accordingly. > > > > > > > with regards > > > > > > > ns > > > > > > > ------------ ------ > > > > > > > p.s. can i have some knowledge of astrology? > > > > > > > ------------ ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2008 Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 Seema we have to call a spade as spade no issue, we dont want members to post all over the forums and not care to use the replies effectively and blame astrology as u get good and bad readings which u can use properply if u give time for a few to happen either way before going to seek fresh advice just a s u do with health will u seek all hospitals or just one or tow to verify ur condition and a doctors views and proceed at the earliest on treatment respect astrologers who give u a reading give that its time to perform or fail for u then seek fresh ones if failed but dont forget to give feedback good or bad prashant I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's OTHER. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. /database?method=reportRows & tbl=6 ________________________________ Seema Shukla <seema41064 Thursday, November 20, 2008 6:30:11 PM Re: Re: my health 20/11 a very good evening to allof you few days back when i posted my query there was a lots of debate Afterwards I stopped putting my point of view fine now one of the persons is inquiring in this forum as well as jyotish ganga also .He says he is need ful Now I can say so am I Now can any one preach me & talk about ethics now why there are no arguements & counter arguements Can you people now justify yourself Now I can also request to forward my query Is it so any comments ???????????? ????????? ???? --- On Thu, 20/11/08, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > wrote: Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > Re: Re: my health 20/11 Thursday, 20 November, 2008, 11:24 AM Dear Arjun hi, RRJi, Bhaskar ji, Pathi ji, a few good posts by u all an dI hope a v pathi takes this in th right spirit and continues to guide forum members here with his wosdom, and not take one experience out of proportion and leave us. each one of us have something to give and some thing to gain from one another. above all life is a never ending book with rich experiences good and bad and the pages we fill are there for rest to see. as arjun ji has said I had long ago created the database yellow pages where members can direct qurrents to seek professional help after convincing themselves of a few members reading s here I made a change in the groups home page making this clear too. which RRji said was needed I did this months ago with some much of such heated exerience over the years felt this is a necessity I had checked with the Owner Sri Tanveer ji and got his green signal and did this. what flows from this between 2 people seeking a private interaction/ relationship is not the groups responsiblity is understood as well. as people go there by choice no compulsion. just providing some platform for it. as we don't have the luxury of time or relationships betwen our circles to know who is good in which city this is a global village so we can benefit and and equally help others. Best wishes prashant ____________ _________ _________ __ panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > Thursday, November 20, 2008 2:40:34 PM Re: my health 20/11 dear bhaskarji and other members thanks for your good words. all along i have been treating astrologers akin to doctors, for doctors treat suffering patients to relieve them of their pain and suffering while astrologers find out the planetary and mythical (divine) afflictions and suggest suitable remedies. we find doctors with simple rmp, mbbs, md and other specialisations in each division and then you find small one room clinics to hospitals to polyclinics to superspeciality 5star hospitals which promote even medical tourism. similarly, we have astrologers in the traditional conservative rural areas, small time astrologers with shops in cities, established astrologers with proven testimonials of rich and famous in metros and of course the astrologers with their shops on the net too. suffering natives and querents have an array of astrologers of their choice to choose from, be it locally in their place of living or through an online consultation. sometimes doctors conduct free medical camps etc. similarly there are free astro reading groups on the net where a member is free to ask a free reading in that group. as a contributing astrologer in this group, our job is over once we give our reading. afterwards whether the querent comes back or go to another group is not ur concern. this is similar to a doctor's job getting over after testing the patient and giving his prescription of medicines. whether to buy medicines based on that prescription or visit another doctor and get another prescription, is the intellectual choice and right of the native about which we shall not bother. however, like all personal services in the services sector like doctors and advocates, astrologers too are professionals and there is no wrong in their offering paid professional services which this group moderator has permitted to present in the database section. both astrologers and querents shall treat each other with respect even if it is a free reading or a charity. for example, when devotees set up langars or free food distribution centres at pilgrimage places or elsewhere, they invite the visiting people who take the food with respect and treat them as gods for accepting their food. our scriptures narrate few vratas wherein the person prepares delicious food and offers it to various bhakts and his vrat is complete and he gets the merits and blessings only if the entire cooked food is distributed or consumed by others. if there are no visitors to take the food offered by the person doing the vrata, the vrata is a failure. with such importance given to visitors who are gods in disguise, let us all respect all alike, be it astrologers or querents. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy .com , " Bhaskar " <rajiventerprises@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Pandit ji, > Pranams. > > Your these lines sum it all - > > // on ethical lines, the astrologers are not expected to write to the > private id of the querents offering paid readings or paid remedies, > unless the querent seeks from them speicifcally. // > > // ........and the astrologer's role is only reactive and supportive > in nature, AFTER the querent approach them. // > > Thank You for being straightforward and direct in talking. > > kind regards, > Bhaskar. , " panditarjun2004 " > <panditarjun2004@ > wrote: > > > > dear friends > > > > this thread is going on and on and is confusing the suffering > > querent, answering astrologers and readers alike. > > > > let me give my understanding of how an internet based astrology > group > > functions. > > > > the net based astro group is like a venue where several astrologers > > offer free and/or paid readings, clarify doubts to fellow > > astrologers, share knowledge with astros and querents alike and > other > > related stuff. this particular group jyotish remedies is visited > > mostly by querents who seek free readings or seek free remedies. > > some querents seek professional paid readings and also paid > > remedies. these querents are at liberty to choose their > astrologers > > of choice and seek their personal readings or remedies on the > > astrologers' private mail and the concerned astrologers can offer > or > > decline as per their wish. what transpires outside the group has > > nothing to do with the group. on ethical lines, the astrologers > are > > not expected to write to the private id of the querents offering > paid > > readings or paid remedies, unless the querent seeks from them > > speicifcally. > > > > we find asrologers having shops and websites where they offer their > > paid services. some astrologers put boards outside their homes and > > offer these paid services from thier homes too. in andhra there > is > > a sect of foretellers (thousands in number) called koyadoras who > keep > > on visiting road after road and city after city and state after > state > > offering their predictions and remedies. > > > > my last word on this issue is that astrological consultancy, be it > > free or paid, is a subject matter of solicitation by the querent > and > > the hundred percent preference, choice and right vests with the > > querent and the astrologer's role is only reactive and supportive > in > > nature, AFTER the querent approach them. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji > > > > > > thanks for seeing the subject in the FAIR WAY and my stand so far > > being vindicated here. > > > > > > we have a obligation to be seen as human being not otherwise and > > remember I said all that happens in public our stand must be > > different from private ones, we must say a few words lesse than > ones > > involved in a exchange else importance of them itself is diluted. > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Bhaskar <rajiventerprises@ > > > > > > > Thursday, November 20, 2008 8:26:29 AM > > > Re: my health 20/11 > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelamji, > > > > > > I have written a harsh mail to you, and take my words back, with > a > > > apology. I never realised that the mail sent to you by Pathiji > was > > > sent on his own,and on your personal id, without being requested > > for, > > > by you. > > > > > > I do not endorse such actions. You had the right to reject that > > mail. > > > > > > best wishes, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, > > > > > > > > a well laid out reply I tried the same and did not get the > > expected > > > response not sure how this is seen > > > > > > > > i had said both were wrong and more so a as ualso said aperson > > who > > > is not fully aware of how groups/internet works in this context i > > > said she can be given a benefit of doubt as much as Pathi ji as > > there > > > is nothing wrong in offering private help her major blame lies in > > > posting private mail in public > > > > > > > > and here i said this must be settled mutually by both , both > > taking > > > a public platform and abusing one another and unfortunately it > > became > > > one v/s many for solidarity it is goood but if that also happened > > in > > > public from start some part of it was in private space so they > had > > to > > > go back there resolve it and be back either way > > > > > > > > I feel ur approach is the right one as u still have offred to > > read > > > her case inspite of all that happened we must retain a moral > higher > > > ground than the ones we r advising. > > > > > > > > I had also asked the ones who doubted her to test her > > [hilantrophy > > > side by pointing top some temple or charity and see the action > > and > > > give her the appropriate treatment it is like for a traffic > offence > > > like jumping the signal one gets a life term. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > > > Thursday, November 20, 2008 5:32:41 AM > > > > Re: my health > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelam, > > > > > > > > Thank you for your explanation and giving us all some more > > > > information about why you felt as if your privacy was > encroached > > > upon > > > > by the astrologer who wrote to you privately. > > > > > > > > It is very important for each individual member to note > carefully > > > the > > > > settings and surroundings in any group before joining in. > > > > allows two types of settings, one in which private emails can > be > > > > hidden and the other where this is not the case. Both have > their > > > > positives and negatives, with the former having potentially > more > > > > headaches for the moderators because then anyone can join the > > forum > > > > and post all kinds of stuff. It is sad but my sympathies will > be > > > with > > > > the owner/moderator in this situation. > > > > > > > > People must realize that when someone posts on a forum with > > > thousands > > > > of members, 'privacy' becomes a luxury. This is why many people > > > > prefer paid readings. On a public forum that allows emails to > be > > > > displayed or allows the 'email' option, the given understanding > > is > > > > that anyone can approach you through that portal. If the offer > > was > > > > irrelevant and inflammatory, I would be siding with you but > since > > > in > > > > this case you had requested astrological help and had not > > indicated > > > > that you do not wish to receive private offers for reading, for > > > which > > > > the onus was on you, I see no blame should be put on Mr. Pathi > > who > > > > had simply offered you with his astrological service. If he had > > > been > > > > pestering you with emails or so on, then you could have > > complained. > > > > > > > > In this case, simply put, you acted in bad faith and with > unclear > > > > knowledge of where you were posting your request which you > wished > > > to > > > > remain free but private, Mr. Pathi and not you is the injured > > party! > > > > > > > > Please note that I do not know Mr. Pathi from Adam but I do not > > see > > > > what wrong he did if all he did was send you ONE EMAIL offering > > his > > > > astrological services. > > > > > > > > You or anyone else may disagree with me but what is right is > > right! > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > , " nsenecha " > > <nsenecha@ .> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > respected sir, > > > > > pranam. > > > > > sir, it is my polite request. plz. don't take it the other > way. > > > > > > > > > > yes, it is true, it was a personal email but my id was taken > > from > > > > the > > > > > public forum. i was not knowing that he is allowed to send > > private > > > > > emails like this. i thought he should send it publicly. > > > > > i am not sorry for that. > > > > > > > > > > sir, you have the right to question my intentions for asking > > > > questions > > > > > here. i simply asked.if replied, thanked. if i wanted to know > > > more, > > > > > requested again politely. not answered. no problem. you can > > > confirm > > > > > this from forum itself. i never abused anyone & not replied > the > > > > person > > > > > in his language who abused me publicly. i never complained. > all > > > > > persons are different. we have to maintain our line. > > > > > > > > > > only thing i want to say is= if we trust you [ or your forum] > > and > > > > give > > > > > our personal details on public forum, no member should offer > > > > privately > > > > > . if he wants to help or give some offer for help, should > give > > > here > > > > in > > > > > this forum only. > > > > > > > > > > sir, you tried to convince me like some elderly family > member. > > it > > > is > > > > > my privilege. but to share my feelings with you is my right. > > > > > plz. this time do not question my intentions. i may be wrong. > > you > > > > can > > > > > point out my mistakes. > > > > > > > > > > i am happy to be a silent reader since last few days. i can > > learn > > > > this > > > > > way also. > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > ns > > > > > ---- > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > > > > <rohini_ranjan@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelam, > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps you do not realize but you have posted in public > > forum > > > > Mr. > > > > > > Pathi's private message quoting his fees! That is not > > > appropriate. > > > > > > > > > > > > This forum allows individuals to send private emails to > > > posters, > > > > but > > > > > > the posters then should not post such emails on the public > > > forum > > > > for > > > > > > obvious reasons. > > > > > > > > > > > > And this is not something that happens automatically as in > > > > pressing > > > > > > the replying to sender button etc. from your emailer. You > > would > > > > have > > > > > > to do some copying and pasting and so on. > > > > > > > > > > > > At first I thought Mr. Pathi posted the promotional message > > on > > > > open > > > > > > forum but then it seems that he sent a private email to > you. > > > You > > > > had > > > > > > the right to refuse his advances but it should have been > done > > > > > > privately and not in this manner. > > > > > > > > > > > > It makes one question your intentions for posting your > > original > > > > > > request on the public forum :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > It is a known fact that astrologers charge for readings and > > > many > > > > do > > > > > > not wish to pay them for their services. This is a clear > > > example > > > > of > > > > > > what we were discussing a few days ago. In this case, > > obviously > > > > the > > > > > > intentions of the reading requester are questionable! > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , neelam senecha > > > > > > <nsenecha@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > respected A V Pathiji, > > > > > > > namaskar, > > > > > > > thanks for showing interest in answering my queries. > > > > > > > i am sure u have already studied my horoscope. but i > don't > > > > spend > > > > > > on such things. i believe in helping poor persons or > > renovation > > > > of > > > > > > temples.it reflects in my horoscope. > > > > > > > i have some interest in learning jyotish . that's why i > > gave > > > my > > > > > > queries on this forum. > > > > > > > i think i know me & myself very well. it will be very > > helpful > > > > in > > > > > > understanding process. > > > > > > > anyway thanks, > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > ns > > > > > > > ------------ --------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > venkatachala pathi <pathiav@> > > > > > > > nsenecha <nsenecha@> > > > > > > > Monday, November 17, 2008 4:44:06 AM > > > > > > > Re: my health > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In case you wish to avail my services, I will be pleased > > > attend > > > > to > > > > > > your requirement. I am in the field for last 46 years (aged > > > 79), > > > > and > > > > > > widely popular in this field around many countries for many > > > > years. > > > > > > Please give me your land line address for my records. My > > > charges > > > > for > > > > > > reading Horoscope is US $ 50/- each, and I will be sending > > > > answers > > > > > > for 4 questions asked by you over e-mail in four days from > > date > > > > of > > > > > > receipt of amount. I will be able to send you the copies of > > > > charts > > > > > > (North indian/South Indian) with Vimshothri Desa detail for > > an > > > > extra > > > > > > charge of US $ 10/- each. On hearing from you. I will > inform > > > you > > > > the > > > > > > mode of remittance. Blessings, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.V.Pathi, > > > > > > > North Carolina, 27514, USA > > > > > > > 001-919-960- 3833 > > > > > > > Please contact me in ID kountinya29@ ) > > > > > > > All private readings are chargeable.Disclaim er > > > > > > > A.V.Pathi and his Astrology Team want to make it > absolutely > > > > clear > > > > > > that no discipline is absolutely perfect. Hence, any > > prediction > > > > that > > > > > > you receive from us is not to be considered as a substitute > > for > > > > > > advice, program, or treatment that you would normally > receive > > > > from a > > > > > > licensed professional such as a lawyer, doctor, > psychiatrist, > > > or > > > > > > financial advisor. A.V.Pathi and his team provide no > > > guarantees, > > > > > > implied warranties, or assurances of any kind, and will not > > be > > > > > > responsible for any interpretation made or use by the > > recipient > > > > of > > > > > > the information and data mentioned above. By the Grace of > God > > > we > > > > can > > > > > > only try to give our best and hope that our efforts will > > > improve > > > > the > > > > > > life of our customers. ~~A.V.Pathi, Astrologer and his > team. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > nsenecha <nsenecha@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, November 1, 2008 10:36:46 PM > > > > > > > my health > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happy diwali to all members. > > > > > > > respected gurujis, > > > > > > > pranam to u all. > > > > > > > i am having many health problems like acute allergies, > > > > > > > hypertension, uterus fibroids [operation > > > recommended] ,fats.can > > > > i > > > > > > get > > > > > > > over them? my DOB=15TH.APRIL1962, POB=MAWANA[ UP], > TOB=22:30 > > > > [+/ - > > > > > > 20MINUTES] . > > > > > > > imp. events in life=marriage in feb.1985,son was born in > > > > > > > jan.1986,right hand & elbow fracture in nov. 1988, > daughter > > in > > > > > > > dec.1989. allergies since childhood[nose > > pollips].controlled > > > in > > > > > > 1984. > > > > > > > but from 8-10 years around again activated along with > above > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > problems. > > > > > > > my husband is a scientist. his DOB=03JULY,1959; > > POB=PRATAPGARH > > > [ > > > > > > RAJ.] > > > > > > > TOB=23:22. > > > > > > > KINDLY explain my horoscope & suggest me something > > > accordingly. > > > > > > > with regards > > > > > > > ns > > > > > > > ------------ ------ > > > > > > > p.s. can i have some knowledge of astrology? > > > > > > > ------------ ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2008 Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 Madam can you please let me know the name of the person you are refering to -who is enquiring in this forum as well as Jyotishganga also. Today I posted a mail wherein I made a reference to Jyotishganga and Bhaskar Ji and so I would like to know if you are refering to me.Please do not hesitate ..I will be glad to know. Awaiting your reply Best Regards Sai ________________________________ Seema Shukla <seema41064 Thursday, November 20, 2008 6:30:11 PM Re: Re: my health 20/11 a very good evening to allof you few days back when i posted my query there was a lots of debate Afterwards I stopped putting my point of view fine now one of the persons is inquiring in this forum as well as jyotish ganga also .He says he is need ful Now I can say so am I Now can any one preach me & talk about ethics now why there are no arguements & counter arguements Can you people now justify yourself Now I can also request to forward my query Is it so any comments ???????????? ????????? ???? --- On Thu, 20/11/08, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > wrote: Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar (AT) (DOT) . com> Re: Re: my health 20/11 Thursday, 20 November, 2008, 11:24 AM Dear Arjun hi, RRJi, Bhaskar ji, Pathi ji, a few good posts by u all an dI hope a v pathi takes this in th right spirit and continues to guide forum members here with his wosdom, and not take one experience out of proportion and leave us. each one of us have something to give and some thing to gain from one another. above all life is a never ending book with rich experiences good and bad and the pages we fill are there for rest to see. as arjun ji has said I had long ago created the database yellow pages where members can direct qurrents to seek professional help after convincing themselves of a few members reading s here I made a change in the groups home page making this clear too. which RRji said was needed I did this months ago with some much of such heated exerience over the years felt this is a necessity I had checked with the Owner Sri Tanveer ji and got his green signal and did this. what flows from this between 2 people seeking a private interaction/ relationship is not the groups responsiblity is understood as well. as people go there by choice no compulsion. just providing some platform for it. as we don't have the luxury of time or relationships betwen our circles to know who is good in which city this is a global village so we can benefit and and equally help others. Best wishes prashant ____________ _________ _________ __ panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > Thursday, November 20, 2008 2:40:34 PM Re: my health 20/11 dear bhaskarji and other members thanks for your good words. all along i have been treating astrologers akin to doctors, for doctors treat suffering patients to relieve them of their pain and suffering while astrologers find out the planetary and mythical (divine) afflictions and suggest suitable remedies. we find doctors with simple rmp, mbbs, md and other specialisations in each division and then you find small one room clinics to hospitals to polyclinics to superspeciality 5star hospitals which promote even medical tourism. similarly, we have astrologers in the traditional conservative rural areas, small time astrologers with shops in cities, established astrologers with proven testimonials of rich and famous in metros and of course the astrologers with their shops on the net too. suffering natives and querents have an array of astrologers of their choice to choose from, be it locally in their place of living or through an online consultation. sometimes doctors conduct free medical camps etc. similarly there are free astro reading groups on the net where a member is free to ask a free reading in that group. as a contributing astrologer in this group, our job is over once we give our reading. afterwards whether the querent comes back or go to another group is not ur concern. this is similar to a doctor's job getting over after testing the patient and giving his prescription of medicines. whether to buy medicines based on that prescription or visit another doctor and get another prescription, is the intellectual choice and right of the native about which we shall not bother. however, like all personal services in the services sector like doctors and advocates, astrologers too are professionals and there is no wrong in their offering paid professional services which this group moderator has permitted to present in the database section. both astrologers and querents shall treat each other with respect even if it is a free reading or a charity. for example, when devotees set up langars or free food distribution centres at pilgrimage places or elsewhere, they invite the visiting people who take the food with respect and treat them as gods for accepting their food. our scriptures narrate few vratas wherein the person prepares delicious food and offers it to various bhakts and his vrat is complete and he gets the merits and blessings only if the entire cooked food is distributed or consumed by others. if there are no visitors to take the food offered by the person doing the vrata, the vrata is a failure. with such importance given to visitors who are gods in disguise, let us all respect all alike, be it astrologers or querents. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy .com , " Bhaskar " <rajiventerprises@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Pandit ji, > Pranams. > > Your these lines sum it all - > > // on ethical lines, the astrologers are not expected to write to the > private id of the querents offering paid readings or paid remedies, > unless the querent seeks from them speicifcally. // > > // ........and the astrologer's role is only reactive and supportive > in nature, AFTER the querent approach them. // > > Thank You for being straightforward and direct in talking. > > kind regards, > Bhaskar. , " panditarjun2004 " > <panditarjun2004@ > wrote: > > > > dear friends > > > > this thread is going on and on and is confusing the suffering > > querent, answering astrologers and readers alike. > > > > let me give my understanding of how an internet based astrology > group > > functions. > > > > the net based astro group is like a venue where several astrologers > > offer free and/or paid readings, clarify doubts to fellow > > astrologers, share knowledge with astros and querents alike and > other > > related stuff. this particular group jyotish remedies is visited > > mostly by querents who seek free readings or seek free remedies. > > some querents seek professional paid readings and also paid > > remedies. these querents are at liberty to choose their > astrologers > > of choice and seek their personal readings or remedies on the > > astrologers' private mail and the concerned astrologers can offer > or > > decline as per their wish. what transpires outside the group has > > nothing to do with the group. on ethical lines, the astrologers > are > > not expected to write to the private id of the querents offering > paid > > readings or paid remedies, unless the querent seeks from them > > speicifcally. > > > > we find asrologers having shops and websites where they offer their > > paid services. some astrologers put boards outside their homes and > > offer these paid services from thier homes too. in andhra there > is > > a sect of foretellers (thousands in number) called koyadoras who > keep > > on visiting road after road and city after city and state after > state > > offering their predictions and remedies. > > > > my last word on this issue is that astrological consultancy, be it > > free or paid, is a subject matter of solicitation by the querent > and > > the hundred percent preference, choice and right vests with the > > querent and the astrologer's role is only reactive and supportive > in > > nature, AFTER the querent approach them. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji > > > > > > thanks for seeing the subject in the FAIR WAY and my stand so far > > being vindicated here. > > > > > > we have a obligation to be seen as human being not otherwise and > > remember I said all that happens in public our stand must be > > different from private ones, we must say a few words lesse than > ones > > involved in a exchange else importance of them itself is diluted. > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Bhaskar <rajiventerprises@ > > > > > > > Thursday, November 20, 2008 8:26:29 AM > > > Re: my health 20/11 > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelamji, > > > > > > I have written a harsh mail to you, and take my words back, with > a > > > apology. I never realised that the mail sent to you by Pathiji > was > > > sent on his own,and on your personal id, without being requested > > for, > > > by you. > > > > > > I do not endorse such actions. You had the right to reject that > > mail. > > > > > > best wishes, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, > > > > > > > > a well laid out reply I tried the same and did not get the > > expected > > > response not sure how this is seen > > > > > > > > i had said both were wrong and more so a as ualso said aperson > > who > > > is not fully aware of how groups/internet works in this context i > > > said she can be given a benefit of doubt as much as Pathi ji as > > there > > > is nothing wrong in offering private help her major blame lies in > > > posting private mail in public > > > > > > > > and here i said this must be settled mutually by both , both > > taking > > > a public platform and abusing one another and unfortunately it > > became > > > one v/s many for solidarity it is goood but if that also happened > > in > > > public from start some part of it was in private space so they > had > > to > > > go back there resolve it and be back either way > > > > > > > > I feel ur approach is the right one as u still have offred to > > read > > > her case inspite of all that happened we must retain a moral > higher > > > ground than the ones we r advising. > > > > > > > > I had also asked the ones who doubted her to test her > > [hilantrophy > > > side by pointing top some temple or charity and see the action > > and > > > give her the appropriate treatment it is like for a traffic > offence > > > like jumping the signal one gets a life term. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > > > Thursday, November 20, 2008 5:32:41 AM > > > > Re: my health > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelam, > > > > > > > > Thank you for your explanation and giving us all some more > > > > information about why you felt as if your privacy was > encroached > > > upon > > > > by the astrologer who wrote to you privately. > > > > > > > > It is very important for each individual member to note > carefully > > > the > > > > settings and surroundings in any group before joining in.. > > > > allows two types of settings, one in which private emails can > be > > > > hidden and the other where this is not the case.. Both have > their > > > > positives and negatives, with the former having potentially > more > > > > headaches for the moderators because then anyone can join the > > forum > > > > and post all kinds of stuff. It is sad but my sympathies will > be > > > with > > > > the owner/moderator in this situation. > > > > > > > > People must realize that when someone posts on a forum with > > > thousands > > > > of members, 'privacy' becomes a luxury. This is why many people > > > > prefer paid readings. On a public forum that allows emails to > be > > > > displayed or allows the 'email' option, the given understanding > > is > > > > that anyone can approach you through that portal. If the offer > > was > > > > irrelevant and inflammatory, I would be siding with you but > since > > > in > > > > this case you had requested astrological help and had not > > indicated > > > > that you do not wish to receive private offers for reading, for > > > which > > > > the onus was on you, I see no blame should be put on Mr. Pathi > > who > > > > had simply offered you with his astrological service. If he had > > > been > > > > pestering you with emails or so on, then you could have > > complained. > > > > > > > > In this case, simply put, you acted in bad faith and with > unclear > > > > knowledge of where you were posting your request which you > wished > > > to > > > > remain free but private, Mr. Pathi and not you is the injured > > party! > > > > > > > > Please note that I do not know Mr. Pathi from Adam but I do not > > see > > > > what wrong he did if all he did was send you ONE EMAIL offering > > his > > > > astrological services. > > > > > > > > You or anyone else may disagree with me but what is right is > > right! > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > , " nsenecha " > > <nsenecha@ .> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > respected sir, > > > > > pranam. > > > > > sir, it is my polite request. plz. don't take it the other > way. > > > > > > > > > > yes, it is true, it was a personal email but my id was taken > > from > > > > the > > > > > public forum. i was not knowing that he is allowed to send > > private > > > > > emails like this. i thought he should send it publicly. > > > > > i am not sorry for that. > > > > > > > > > > sir, you have the right to question my intentions for asking > > > > questions > > > > > here. i simply asked.if replied, thanked. if i wanted to know > > > more, > > > > > requested again politely. not answered. no problem. you can > > > confirm > > > > > this from forum itself. i never abused anyone & not replied > the > > > > person > > > > > in his language who abused me publicly. i never complained. > all > > > > > persons are different. we have to maintain our line. > > > > > > > > > > only thing i want to say is= if we trust you [ or your forum] > > and > > > > give > > > > > our personal details on public forum, no member should offer > > > > privately > > > > > . if he wants to help or give some offer for help, should > give > > > here > > > > in > > > > > this forum only. > > > > > > > > > > sir, you tried to convince me like some elderly family > member. > > it > > > is > > > > > my privilege. but to share my feelings with you is my right. > > > > > plz. this time do not question my intentions. i may be wrong. > > you > > > > can > > > > > point out my mistakes. > > > > > > > > > > i am happy to be a silent reader since last few days. i can > > learn > > > > this > > > > > way also. > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > ns > > > > > ---- > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > > > > <rohini_ranjan@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelam, > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps you do not realize but you have posted in public > > forum > > > > Mr. > > > > > > Pathi's private message quoting his fees! That is not > > > appropriate. > > > > > > > > > > > > This forum allows individuals to send private emails to > > > posters, > > > > but > > > > > > the posters then should not post such emails on the public > > > forum > > > > for > > > > > > obvious reasons. > > > > > > > > > > > > And this is not something that happens automatically as in > > > > pressing > > > > > > the replying to sender button etc. from your emailer. You > > would > > > > have > > > > > > to do some copying and pasting and so on. > > > > > > > > > > > > At first I thought Mr. Pathi posted the promotional message > > on > > > > open > > > > > > forum but then it seems that he sent a private email to > you. > > > You > > > > had > > > > > > the right to refuse his advances but it should have been > done > > > > > > privately and not in this manner. > > > > > > > > > > > > It makes one question your intentions for posting your > > original > > > > > > request on the public forum :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > It is a known fact that astrologers charge for readings and > > > many > > > > do > > > > > > not wish to pay them for their services. This is a clear > > > example > > > > of > > > > > > what we were discussing a few days ago. In this case, > > obviously > > > > the > > > > > > intentions of the reading requester are questionable! > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , neelam senecha > > > > > > <nsenecha@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > respected A V Pathiji, > > > > > > > namaskar, > > > > > > > thanks for showing interest in answering my queries. > > > > > > > i am sure u have already studied my horoscope. but i > don't > > > > spend > > > > > > on such things. i believe in helping poor persons or > > renovation > > > > of > > > > > > temples.it reflects in my horoscope. > > > > > > > i have some interest in learning jyotish . that's why i > > gave > > > my > > > > > > queries on this forum. > > > > > > > i think i know me & myself very well. it will be very > > helpful > > > > in > > > > > > understanding process. > > > > > > > anyway thanks, > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > ns > > > > > > > ------------ --------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > venkatachala pathi <pathiav@> > > > > > > > nsenecha <nsenecha@> > > > > > > > Monday, November 17, 2008 4:44:06 AM > > > > > > > Re: my health > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In case you wish to avail my services, I will be pleased > > > attend > > > > to > > > > > > your requirement. I am in the field for last 46 years (aged > > > 79), > > > > and > > > > > > widely popular in this field around many countries for many > > > > years. > > > > > > Please give me your land line address for my records. My > > > charges > > > > for > > > > > > reading Horoscope is US $ 50/- each, and I will be sending > > > > answers > > > > > > for 4 questions asked by you over e-mail in four days from > > date > > > > of > > > > > > receipt of amount. I will be able to send you the copies of > > > > charts > > > > > > (North indian/South Indian) with Vimshothri Desa detail for > > an > > > > extra > > > > > > charge of US $ 10/- each. On hearing from you. I will > inform > > > you > > > > the > > > > > > mode of remittance. Blessings, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.V.Pathi, > > > > > > > North Carolina, 27514, USA > > > > > > > 001-919-960- 3833 > > > > > > > Please contact me in ID kountinya29@ ) > > > > > > > All private readings are chargeable.Disclaim er > > > > > > > A.V.Pathi and his Astrology Team want to make it > absolutely > > > > clear > > > > > > that no discipline is absolutely perfect. Hence, any > > prediction > > > > that > > > > > > you receive from us is not to be considered as a substitute > > for > > > > > > advice, program, or treatment that you would normally > receive > > > > from a > > > > > > licensed professional such as a lawyer, doctor, > psychiatrist, > > > or > > > > > > financial advisor. A.V.Pathi and his team provide no > > > guarantees, > > > > > > implied warranties, or assurances of any kind, and will not > > be > > > > > > responsible for any interpretation made or use by the > > recipient > > > > of > > > > > > the information and data mentioned above. By the Grace of > God > > > we > > > > can > > > > > > only try to give our best and hope that our efforts will > > > improve > > > > the > > > > > > life of our customers. ~~A.V.Pathi, Astrologer and his > team. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > nsenecha <nsenecha@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, November 1, 2008 10:36:46 PM > > > > > > > my health > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happy diwali to all members. > > > > > > > respected gurujis, > > > > > > > pranam to u all. > > > > > > > i am having many health problems like acute allergies, > > > > > > > hypertension, uterus fibroids [operation > > > recommended] ,fats.can > > > > i > > > > > > get > > > > > > > over them? my DOB=15TH.APRIL1962, POB=MAWANA[ UP], > TOB=22:30 > > > > [+/ - > > > > > > 20MINUTES] . > > > > > > > imp. events in life=marriage in feb.1985,son was born in > > > > > > > jan.1986,right hand & elbow fracture in nov. 1988, > daughter > > in > > > > > > > dec.1989. allergies since childhood[nose > > pollips].controlled > > > in > > > > > > 1984. > > > > > > > but from 8-10 years around again activated along with > above > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > problems. > > > > > > > my husband is a scientist. his DOB=03JULY,1959; > > POB=PRATAPGARH > > > [ > > > > > > RAJ.] > > > > > > > TOB=23:22. > > > > > > > KINDLY explain my horoscope & suggest me something > > > accordingly. > > > > > > > with regards > > > > > > > ns > > > > > > > ------------ ------ > > > > > > > p.s. can i have some knowledge of astrology? > > > > > > > ------------ ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 Seema and others with similar questions and doubts and so on... I have seen and met many astrologers (of all cloths) in person, and more importantly through reading their words and writings or listening to them and through chats etc. I think I can safely claim that I have not run into anyone who knew it all, either about the SUBJECT nor about the entire REALITY! No Trikalagnas in other words. No one with their jyotishmati nadi awakened as stated by KN Rao ji in one forum message! So, the fact is that despite successes here and there we too get excited just like any other human will. As these successes accumulate, the excitement becomes less an less and is replaced by an awe! We suddenly awaken to the realization that it is not 'we' as individuals to whom such successes belong! When all the self-congratulation stops and it eventually would for any serious and sincere jyotishi with a few years of successful readings and predictions, something changes! We begin to turn towards jyotish seriously! It helps to avoid begin to treating it as a religion at that point, particularly if that has been our background and mind-set. There is nothing wrong with faith, even if it is how jyotish gets labelled! But it would be confusing to call it science in the same breath! RR , Seema Shukla <seema41064 wrote: > > a very good evening to allof you >             few days back when i posted my query there was a lots of debate Afterwards I stopped putting my point of view fine now one of the persons is inquiring in this forum as well as jyotish ganga also .He says he is need ful Now I can say so am I Now can any one preach me &  talk about ethics now why there are no arguements & counter arguements Can you people now justify yourself Now I can also request to forward my query Is it so   any comments ????????????????????????? > > --- On Thu, 20/11/08, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > Re: Re: my health 20/11 > > Thursday, 20 November, 2008, 11:24 AM Dear Arjun hi, RRJi, Bhaskar ji, Pathi ji, > > a few good posts by u all an dI hope a v pathi takes this in th right spirit and continues to guide forum members here with his wosdom, and not take one experience out of proportion and leave us. each one of us have something to give and some thing to gain from one another. above all life is a never ending book with rich experiences good and bad and the pages we fill are there for rest to see. > > as arjun ji has said I had long ago created the database yellow pages where members can direct qurrents to seek professional help after convincing themselves of a few members reading s here > > I made a change in the groups home page making this clear too. which RRji said was needed I did this months ago with some much of such heated exerience over the years felt this is a necessity I had checked with the Owner Sri Tanveer ji and got his green signal and did this. > > what flows from this between 2 people seeking a private interaction/ relationship is not the groups responsiblity is understood as well. as people go there by choice no compulsion. just providing some platform for it. as we don't have the luxury of time or relationships betwen our circles to know who is good in which city this is a global village so we can benefit and and equally help others. > > Best wishes > > prashant > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > > > Thursday, November 20, 2008 2:40:34 PM > Re: my health 20/11 > > dear bhaskarji and other members > > thanks for your good words. all along i have been treating > astrologers akin to doctors, for doctors treat suffering patients to > relieve them of their pain and suffering while astrologers find out > the planetary and mythical (divine) afflictions and suggest suitable > remedies. > > we find doctors with simple rmp, mbbs, md and other specialisations > in each division and then you find small one room clinics to > hospitals to polyclinics to superspeciality 5star hospitals which > promote even medical tourism. > > similarly, we have astrologers in the traditional conservative rural > areas, small time astrologers with shops in cities, established > astrologers with proven testimonials of rich and famous in metros and > of course the astrologers with their shops on the net too. > > suffering natives and querents have an array of astrologers of their > choice to choose from, be it locally in their place of living or > through an online consultation. > > sometimes doctors conduct free medical camps etc. similarly there > are free astro reading groups on the net where a member is free to > ask a free reading in that group. as a contributing astrologer in > this group, our job is over once we give our reading. afterwards > whether the querent comes back or go to another group is not ur > concern. this is similar to a doctor's job getting over after > testing the patient and giving his prescription of medicines. > whether to buy medicines based on that prescription or visit another > doctor and get another prescription, is the intellectual choice and > right of the native about which we shall not bother. > > however, like all personal services in the services sector like > doctors and advocates, astrologers too are professionals and there is > no wrong in their offering paid professional services which this > group moderator has permitted to present in the database section. > > both astrologers and querents shall treat each other with respect > even if it is a free reading or a charity. for example, when > devotees set up langars or free food distribution centres at > pilgrimage places or elsewhere, they invite the visiting people who > take the food with respect and treat them as gods for accepting their > food. our scriptures narrate few vratas wherein the person prepares > delicious food and offers it to various bhakts and his vrat is > complete and he gets the merits and blessings only if the entire > cooked food is distributed or consumed by others. if there are no > visitors to take the food offered by the person doing the vrata, the > vrata is a failure. with such importance given to visitors who are > gods in disguise, let us all respect all alike, be it astrologers or > querents. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > , " Bhaskar " > <rajiventerprises@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Pandit ji, > > Pranams. > > > > Your these lines sum it all - > > > > // on ethical lines, the astrologers are not expected to write to > the > > private id of the querents offering paid readings or paid remedies, > > unless the querent seeks from them speicifcally. // > > > > // ........and the astrologer's role is only reactive and > supportive > > in nature, AFTER the querent approach them. // > > > > Thank You for being straightforward and direct in talking. > > > > kind regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " panditarjun2004 " > > <panditarjun2004@ > wrote: > > > > > > dear friends > > > > > > this thread is going on and on and is confusing the suffering > > > querent, answering astrologers and readers alike. > > > > > > let me give my understanding of how an internet based astrology > > group > > > functions. > > > > > > the net based astro group is like a venue where several > astrologers > > > offer free and/or paid readings, clarify doubts to fellow > > > astrologers, share knowledge with astros and querents alike and > > other > > > related stuff. this particular group jyotish remedies is visited > > > mostly by querents who seek free readings or seek free remedies. > > > some querents seek professional paid readings and also paid > > > remedies. these querents are at liberty to choose their > > astrologers > > > of choice and seek their personal readings or remedies on the > > > astrologers' private mail and the concerned astrologers can offer > > or > > > decline as per their wish. what transpires outside the group has > > > nothing to do with the group. on ethical lines, the astrologers > > are > > > not expected to write to the private id of the querents offering > > paid > > > readings or paid remedies, unless the querent seeks from them > > > speicifcally. > > > > > > we find asrologers having shops and websites where they offer > their > > > paid services. some astrologers put boards outside their homes > and > > > offer these paid services from thier homes too. in andhra there > > is > > > a sect of foretellers (thousands in number) called koyadoras who > > keep > > > on visiting road after road and city after city and state after > > state > > > offering their predictions and remedies. > > > > > > my last word on this issue is that astrological consultancy, be > it > > > free or paid, is a subject matter of solicitation by the querent > > and > > > the hundred percent preference, choice and right vests with the > > > querent and the astrologer's role is only reactive and supportive > > in > > > nature, AFTER the querent approach them. > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > pandit arjun > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji > > > > > > > > thanks for seeing the subject in the FAIR WAY and my stand so > far > > > being vindicated here. > > > > > > > > we have a obligation to be seen as human being not otherwise > and > > > remember I said all that happens in public our stand must be > > > different from private ones, we must say a few words lesse than > > ones > > > involved in a exchange else importance of them itself is diluted. > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Bhaskar <rajiventerprises@ > > > > > > > > > Thursday, November 20, 2008 8:26:29 AM > > > > Re: my health 20/11 > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelamji, > > > > > > > > I have written a harsh mail to you, and take my words back, > with > > a > > > > apology. I never realised that the mail sent to you by Pathiji > > was > > > > sent on his own,and on your personal id, without being > requested > > > for, > > > > by you. > > > > > > > > I do not endorse such actions. You had the right to reject that > > > mail. > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > > <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, > > > > > > > > > > a well laid out reply I tried the same and did not get the > > > expected > > > > response not sure how this is seen > > > > > > > > > > i had said both were wrong and more so a as ualso said > aperson > > > who > > > > is not fully aware of how groups/internet works in this context > i > > > > said she can be given a benefit of doubt as much as Pathi ji as > > > there > > > > is nothing wrong in offering private help her major blame lies > in > > > > posting private mail in public > > > > > > > > > > and here i said this must be settled mutually by both , both > > > taking > > > > a public platform and abusing one another and unfortunately it > > > became > > > > one v/s many for solidarity it is goood but if that also > happened > > > in > > > > public from start some part of it was in private space so they > > had > > > to > > > > go back there resolve it and be back either way > > > > > > > > > > I feel ur approach is the right one as u still have offred to > > > read > > > > her case inspite of all that happened we must retain a moral > > higher > > > > ground than the ones we r advising. > > > > > > > > > > I had also asked the ones who doubted her to test her > > > [hilantrophy > > > > side by pointing top some temple or charity and see the > action > > > and > > > > give her the appropriate treatment it is like for a traffic > > offence > > > > like jumping the signal one gets a life term. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, November 20, 2008 5:32:41 AM > > > > > Re: my health > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelam, > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for your explanation and giving us all some more > > > > > information about why you felt as if your privacy was > > encroached > > > > upon > > > > > by the astrologer who wrote to you privately. > > > > > > > > > > It is very important for each individual member to note > > carefully > > > > the > > > > > settings and surroundings in any group before joining in. > > > > > > allows two types of settings, one in which private emails can > > be > > > > > hidden and the other where this is not the case. Both have > > their > > > > > positives and negatives, with the former having potentially > > more > > > > > headaches for the moderators because then anyone can join the > > > forum > > > > > and post all kinds of stuff. It is sad but my sympathies will > > be > > > > with > > > > > the owner/moderator in this situation. > > > > > > > > > > People must realize that when someone posts on a forum with > > > > thousands > > > > > of members, 'privacy' becomes a luxury. This is why many > people > > > > > prefer paid readings. On a public forum that allows emails to > > be > > > > > displayed or allows the 'email' option, the given > understanding > > > is > > > > > that anyone can approach you through that portal. If the > offer > > > was > > > > > irrelevant and inflammatory, I would be siding with you but > > since > > > > in > > > > > this case you had requested astrological help and had not > > > indicated > > > > > that you do not wish to receive private offers for reading, > for > > > > which > > > > > the onus was on you, I see no blame should be put on Mr. > Pathi > > > who > > > > > had simply offered you with his astrological service. If he > had > > > > been > > > > > pestering you with emails or so on, then you could have > > > complained. > > > > > > > > > > In this case, simply put, you acted in bad faith and with > > unclear > > > > > knowledge of where you were posting your request which you > > wished > > > > to > > > > > remain free but private, Mr. Pathi and not you is the injured > > > party! > > > > > > > > > > Please note that I do not know Mr. Pathi from Adam but I do > not > > > see > > > > > what wrong he did if all he did was send you ONE EMAIL > offering > > > his > > > > > astrological services. > > > > > > > > > > You or anyone else may disagree with me but what is right is > > > right! > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > , " nsenecha " > > > <nsenecha@ .> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > respected sir, > > > > > > pranam. > > > > > > sir, it is my polite request. plz. don't take it the other > > way. > > > > > > > > > > > > yes, it is true, it was a personal email but my id was > taken > > > from > > > > > the > > > > > > public forum. i was not knowing that he is allowed to send > > > private > > > > > > emails like this. i thought he should send it publicly. > > > > > > i am not sorry for that. > > > > > > > > > > > > sir, you have the right to question my intentions for > asking > > > > > questions > > > > > > here. i simply asked.if replied, thanked. if i wanted to > know > > > > more, > > > > > > requested again politely. not answered. no problem. you can > > > > confirm > > > > > > this from forum itself. i never abused anyone & not replied > > the > > > > > person > > > > > > in his language who abused me publicly. i never > complained. > > all > > > > > > persons are different. we have to maintain our line. > > > > > > > > > > > > only thing i want to say is= if we trust you [ or your > forum] > > > and > > > > > give > > > > > > our personal details on public forum, no member should > offer > > > > > privately > > > > > > . if he wants to help or give some offer for help, should > > give > > > > here > > > > > in > > > > > > this forum only. > > > > > > > > > > > > sir, you tried to convince me like some elderly family > > member. > > > it > > > > is > > > > > > my privilege. but to share my feelings with you is my right. > > > > > > plz. this time do not question my intentions. i may be > wrong. > > > you > > > > > can > > > > > > point out my mistakes. > > > > > > > > > > > > i am happy to be a silent reader since last few days. i can > > > learn > > > > > this > > > > > > way also. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > ns > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > > > > > <rohini_ranjan@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelam, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps you do not realize but you have posted in public > > > forum > > > > > Mr. > > > > > > > Pathi's private message quoting his fees! That is not > > > > appropriate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This forum allows individuals to send private emails to > > > > posters, > > > > > but > > > > > > > the posters then should not post such emails on the > public > > > > forum > > > > > for > > > > > > > obvious reasons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And this is not something that happens automatically as > in > > > > > pressing > > > > > > > the replying to sender button etc. from your emailer. You > > > would > > > > > have > > > > > > > to do some copying and pasting and so on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At first I thought Mr. Pathi posted the promotional > message > > > on > > > > > open > > > > > > > forum but then it seems that he sent a private email to > > you. > > > > You > > > > > had > > > > > > > the right to refuse his advances but it should have been > > done > > > > > > > privately and not in this manner. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It makes one question your intentions for posting your > > > original > > > > > > > request on the public forum :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is a known fact that astrologers charge for readings > and > > > > many > > > > > do > > > > > > > not wish to pay them for their services. This is a clear > > > > example > > > > > of > > > > > > > what we were discussing a few days ago. In this case, > > > obviously > > > > > the > > > > > > > intentions of the reading requester are questionable! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , neelam senecha > > > > > > > <nsenecha@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > respected A V Pathiji, > > > > > > > > namaskar, > > > > > > > > thanks for showing interest in answering my queries. > > > > > > > > i am sure u have already studied my horoscope. but i > > don't > > > > > spend > > > > > > > on such things. i believe in helping poor persons or > > > renovation > > > > > of > > > > > > > temples.it reflects in my horoscope. > > > > > > > > i have some interest in learning jyotish . that's why i > > > gave > > > > my > > > > > > > queries on this forum. > > > > > > > > i think i know me & myself very well. it will be very > > > helpful > > > > > in > > > > > > > understanding process. > > > > > > > > anyway thanks, > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > ns > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > venkatachala pathi <pathiav@> > > > > > > > > nsenecha <nsenecha@> > > > > > > > > Monday, November 17, 2008 4:44:06 AM > > > > > > > > Re: my health > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In case you wish to avail my services, I will be > pleased > > > > attend > > > > > to > > > > > > > your requirement. I am in the field for last 46 years > (aged > > > > 79), > > > > > and > > > > > > > widely popular in this field around many countries for > many > > > > > years. > > > > > > > Please give me your land line address for my records. My > > > > charges > > > > > for > > > > > > > reading Horoscope is US $ 50/- each, and I will be > sending > > > > > answers > > > > > > > for 4 questions asked by you over e-mail in four days > from > > > date > > > > > of > > > > > > > receipt of amount. I will be able to send you the copies > of > > > > > charts > > > > > > > (North indian/South Indian) with Vimshothri Desa detail > for > > > an > > > > > extra > > > > > > > charge of US $ 10/- each. On hearing from you. I will > > inform > > > > you > > > > > the > > > > > > > mode of remittance. Blessings, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.V.Pathi, > > > > > > > > North Carolina, 27514, USA > > > > > > > > 001-919-960- 3833 > > > > > > > > Please contact me in ID kountinya29@ ) > > > > > > > > All private readings are chargeable.Disclaim er > > > > > > > > A.V.Pathi and his Astrology Team want to make it > > absolutely > > > > > clear > > > > > > > that no discipline is absolutely perfect. Hence, any > > > prediction > > > > > that > > > > > > > you receive from us is not to be considered as a > substitute > > > for > > > > > > > advice, program, or treatment that you would normally > > receive > > > > > from a > > > > > > > licensed professional such as a lawyer, doctor, > > psychiatrist, > > > > or > > > > > > > financial advisor. A.V.Pathi and his team provide no > > > > guarantees, > > > > > > > implied warranties, or assurances of any kind, and will > not > > > be > > > > > > > responsible for any interpretation made or use by the > > > recipient > > > > > of > > > > > > > the information and data mentioned above. By the Grace of > > God > > > > we > > > > > can > > > > > > > only try to give our best and hope that our efforts will > > > > improve > > > > > the > > > > > > > life of our customers. ~~A.V.Pathi, Astrologer and his > > team. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > nsenecha <nsenecha@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, November 1, 2008 10:36:46 PM > > > > > > > > my health > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happy diwali to all members. > > > > > > > > respected gurujis, > > > > > > > > pranam to u all. > > > > > > > > i am having many health problems like acute allergies, > > > > > > > > hypertension, uterus fibroids [operation > > > > recommended] ,fats.can > > > > > i > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > over them? my DOB=15TH.APRIL1962, POB=MAWANA[ UP], > > TOB=22:30 > > > > > [+/ - > > > > > > > 20MINUTES] . > > > > > > > > imp. events in life=marriage in feb.1985,son was born in > > > > > > > > jan.1986,right hand & elbow fracture in nov. 1988, > > daughter > > > in > > > > > > > > dec.1989. allergies since childhood[nose > > > pollips].controlled > > > > in > > > > > > > 1984. > > > > > > > > but from 8-10 years around again activated along with > > above > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > problems. > > > > > > > > my husband is a scientist. his DOB=03JULY,1959; > > > POB=PRATAPGARH > > > > [ > > > > > > > RAJ.] > > > > > > > > TOB=23:22. > > > > > > > > KINDLY explain my horoscope & suggest me something > > > > accordingly. > > > > > > > > with regards > > > > > > > > ns > > > > > > > > ------------ ------ > > > > > > > > p.s. can i have some knowledge of astrology? > > > > > > > > ------------ ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 Sir   Avery good evening to you  The question is not of trust If there was no trust than no one hwould have joined but my real stress is on rules should be same with every one When others make request than there is nothing When I forwarded my request than it was a slogan of free,free,free............... As I was a beggar & others are kings & queens --- On Fri, 21/11/08, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote: Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan Re: my health 20/11 Friday, 21 November, 2008, 1:24 AM Seema and others with similar questions and doubts and so on... I have seen and met many astrologers (of all cloths) in person, and more importantly through reading their words and writings or listening to them and through chats etc. I think I can safely claim that I have not run into anyone who knew it all, either about the SUBJECT nor about the entire REALITY! No Trikalagnas in other words. No one with their jyotishmati nadi awakened as stated by KN Rao ji in one forum message! So, the fact is that despite successes here and there we too get excited just like any other human will. As these successes accumulate, the excitement becomes less an less and is replaced by an awe! We suddenly awaken to the realization that it is not 'we' as individuals to whom such successes belong! When all the self-congratulation stops and it eventually would for any serious and sincere jyotishi with a few years of successful readings and predictions, something changes! We begin to turn towards jyotish seriously! It helps to avoid begin to treating it as a religion at that point, particularly if that has been our background and mind-set. There is nothing wrong with faith, even if it is how jyotish gets labelled! But it would be confusing to call it science in the same breath! RR , Seema Shukla <seema41064@ ...> wrote: > > a very good evening to allof you >             few days back when i posted my query there was a lots of debate Afterwards I stopped putting my point of view fine now one of the persons is inquiring in this forum as well as jyotish ganga also .He says he is need ful Now I can say so am I Now can any one preach me &  talk about ethics now why there are no arguements & counter arguements Can you people now justify yourself Now I can also request to forward my query Is it so   any comments ???????????? ????????? ???? > > --- On Thu, 20/11/08, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@. ..> wrote: > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@. ..> > Re: Re: my health 20/11 > > Thursday, 20 November, 2008, 11:24 AM Dear Arjun hi, RRJi, Bhaskar ji, Pathi ji, > > a few good posts by u all an dI hope a v pathi takes this in th right spirit and continues to guide forum members here with his wosdom, and not take one experience out of proportion and leave us. each one of us have something to give and some thing to gain from one another. above all life is a never ending book with rich experiences good and bad and the pages we fill are there for rest to see. > > as arjun ji has said I had long ago created the database yellow pages where members can direct qurrents to seek professional help after convincing themselves of a few members reading s here > > I made a change in the groups home page making this clear too. which RRji said was needed I did this months ago with some much of such heated exerience over the years felt this is a necessity I had checked with the Owner Sri Tanveer ji and got his green signal and did this. > > what flows from this between 2 people seeking a private interaction/ relationship is not the groups responsiblity is understood as well. as people go there by choice no compulsion. just providing some platform for it. as we don't have the luxury of time or relationships betwen our circles to know who is good in which city this is a global village so we can benefit and and equally help others. > > Best wishes > > prashant > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > > > Thursday, November 20, 2008 2:40:34 PM > Re: my health 20/11 > > dear bhaskarji and other members > > thanks for your good words. all along i have been treating > astrologers akin to doctors, for doctors treat suffering patients to > relieve them of their pain and suffering while astrologers find out > the planetary and mythical (divine) afflictions and suggest suitable > remedies. > > we find doctors with simple rmp, mbbs, md and other specialisations > in each division and then you find small one room clinics to > hospitals to polyclinics to superspeciality 5star hospitals which > promote even medical tourism. > > similarly, we have astrologers in the traditional conservative rural > areas, small time astrologers with shops in cities, established > astrologers with proven testimonials of rich and famous in metros and > of course the astrologers with their shops on the net too. > > suffering natives and querents have an array of astrologers of their > choice to choose from, be it locally in their place of living or > through an online consultation. > > sometimes doctors conduct free medical camps etc. similarly there > are free astro reading groups on the net where a member is free to > ask a free reading in that group. as a contributing astrologer in > this group, our job is over once we give our reading. afterwards > whether the querent comes back or go to another group is not ur > concern. this is similar to a doctor's job getting over after > testing the patient and giving his prescription of medicines. > whether to buy medicines based on that prescription or visit another > doctor and get another prescription, is the intellectual choice and > right of the native about which we shall not bother. > > however, like all personal services in the services sector like > doctors and advocates, astrologers too are professionals and there is > no wrong in their offering paid professional services which this > group moderator has permitted to present in the database section. > > both astrologers and querents shall treat each other with respect > even if it is a free reading or a charity. for example, when > devotees set up langars or free food distribution centres at > pilgrimage places or elsewhere, they invite the visiting people who > take the food with respect and treat them as gods for accepting their > food. our scriptures narrate few vratas wherein the person prepares > delicious food and offers it to various bhakts and his vrat is > complete and he gets the merits and blessings only if the entire > cooked food is distributed or consumed by others. if there are no > visitors to take the food offered by the person doing the vrata, the > vrata is a failure. with such importance given to visitors who are > gods in disguise, let us all respect all alike, be it astrologers or > querents. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > , " Bhaskar " > <rajiventerprises@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Pandit ji, > > Pranams. > > > > Your these lines sum it all - > > > > // on ethical lines, the astrologers are not expected to write to > the > > private id of the querents offering paid readings or paid remedies, > > unless the querent seeks from them speicifcally. // > > > > // ........and the astrologer's role is only reactive and > supportive > > in nature, AFTER the querent approach them. // > > > > Thank You for being straightforward and direct in talking. > > > > kind regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " panditarjun2004 " > > <panditarjun2004@ > wrote: > > > > > > dear friends > > > > > > this thread is going on and on and is confusing the suffering > > > querent, answering astrologers and readers alike. > > > > > > let me give my understanding of how an internet based astrology > > group > > > functions. > > > > > > the net based astro group is like a venue where several > astrologers > > > offer free and/or paid readings, clarify doubts to fellow > > > astrologers, share knowledge with astros and querents alike and > > other > > > related stuff. this particular group jyotish remedies is visited > > > mostly by querents who seek free readings or seek free remedies. > > > some querents seek professional paid readings and also paid > > > remedies. these querents are at liberty to choose their > > astrologers > > > of choice and seek their personal readings or remedies on the > > > astrologers' private mail and the concerned astrologers can offer > > or > > > decline as per their wish. what transpires outside the group has > > > nothing to do with the group. on ethical lines, the astrologers > > are > > > not expected to write to the private id of the querents offering > > paid > > > readings or paid remedies, unless the querent seeks from them > > > speicifcally. > > > > > > we find asrologers having shops and websites where they offer > their > > > paid services. some astrologers put boards outside their homes > and > > > offer these paid services from thier homes too. in andhra there > > is > > > a sect of foretellers (thousands in number) called koyadoras who > > keep > > > on visiting road after road and city after city and state after > > state > > > offering their predictions and remedies. > > > > > > my last word on this issue is that astrological consultancy, be > it > > > free or paid, is a subject matter of solicitation by the querent > > and > > > the hundred percent preference, choice and right vests with the > > > querent and the astrologer's role is only reactive and supportive > > in > > > nature, AFTER the querent approach them. > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > pandit arjun > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji > > > > > > > > thanks for seeing the subject in the FAIR WAY and my stand so > far > > > being vindicated here. > > > > > > > > we have a obligation to be seen as human being not otherwise > and > > > remember I said all that happens in public our stand must be > > > different from private ones, we must say a few words lesse than > > ones > > > involved in a exchange else importance of them itself is diluted. > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Bhaskar <rajiventerprises@ > > > > > > > > > Thursday, November 20, 2008 8:26:29 AM > > > > Re: my health 20/11 > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelamji, > > > > > > > > I have written a harsh mail to you, and take my words back, > with > > a > > > > apology. I never realised that the mail sent to you by Pathiji > > was > > > > sent on his own,and on your personal id, without being > requested > > > for, > > > > by you. > > > > > > > > I do not endorse such actions. You had the right to reject that > > > mail. > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > > <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, > > > > > > > > > > a well laid out reply I tried the same and did not get the > > > expected > > > > response not sure how this is seen > > > > > > > > > > i had said both were wrong and more so a as ualso said > aperson > > > who > > > > is not fully aware of how groups/internet works in this context > i > > > > said she can be given a benefit of doubt as much as Pathi ji as > > > there > > > > is nothing wrong in offering private help her major blame lies > in > > > > posting private mail in public > > > > > > > > > > and here i said this must be settled mutually by both , both > > > taking > > > > a public platform and abusing one another and unfortunately it > > > became > > > > one v/s many for solidarity it is goood but if that also > happened > > > in > > > > public from start some part of it was in private space so they > > had > > > to > > > > go back there resolve it and be back either way > > > > > > > > > > I feel ur approach is the right one as u still have offred to > > > read > > > > her case inspite of all that happened we must retain a moral > > higher > > > > ground than the ones we r advising. > > > > > > > > > > I had also asked the ones who doubted her to test her > > > [hilantrophy > > > > side by pointing top some temple or charity and see the > action > > > and > > > > give her the appropriate treatment it is like for a traffic > > offence > > > > like jumping the signal one gets a life term. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, November 20, 2008 5:32:41 AM > > > > > Re: my health > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelam, > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for your explanation and giving us all some more > > > > > information about why you felt as if your privacy was > > encroached > > > > upon > > > > > by the astrologer who wrote to you privately. > > > > > > > > > > It is very important for each individual member to note > > carefully > > > > the > > > > > settings and surroundings in any group before joining in. > > > > > > allows two types of settings, one in which private emails can > > be > > > > > hidden and the other where this is not the case. Both have > > their > > > > > positives and negatives, with the former having potentially > > more > > > > > headaches for the moderators because then anyone can join the > > > forum > > > > > and post all kinds of stuff. It is sad but my sympathies will > > be > > > > with > > > > > the owner/moderator in this situation. > > > > > > > > > > People must realize that when someone posts on a forum with > > > > thousands > > > > > of members, 'privacy' becomes a luxury. This is why many > people > > > > > prefer paid readings. On a public forum that allows emails to > > be > > > > > displayed or allows the 'email' option, the given > understanding > > > is > > > > > that anyone can approach you through that portal. If the > offer > > > was > > > > > irrelevant and inflammatory, I would be siding with you but > > since > > > > in > > > > > this case you had requested astrological help and had not > > > indicated > > > > > that you do not wish to receive private offers for reading, > for > > > > which > > > > > the onus was on you, I see no blame should be put on Mr. > Pathi > > > who > > > > > had simply offered you with his astrological service. If he > had > > > > been > > > > > pestering you with emails or so on, then you could have > > > complained. > > > > > > > > > > In this case, simply put, you acted in bad faith and with > > unclear > > > > > knowledge of where you were posting your request which you > > wished > > > > to > > > > > remain free but private, Mr. Pathi and not you is the injured > > > party! > > > > > > > > > > Please note that I do not know Mr. Pathi from Adam but I do > not > > > see > > > > > what wrong he did if all he did was send you ONE EMAIL > offering > > > his > > > > > astrological services. > > > > > > > > > > You or anyone else may disagree with me but what is right is > > > right! > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > , " nsenecha " > > > <nsenecha@ .> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > respected sir, > > > > > > pranam. > > > > > > sir, it is my polite request. plz. don't take it the other > > way. > > > > > > > > > > > > yes, it is true, it was a personal email but my id was > taken > > > from > > > > > the > > > > > > public forum. i was not knowing that he is allowed to send > > > private > > > > > > emails like this. i thought he should send it publicly. > > > > > > i am not sorry for that. > > > > > > > > > > > > sir, you have the right to question my intentions for > asking > > > > > questions > > > > > > here. i simply asked.if replied, thanked. if i wanted to > know > > > > more, > > > > > > requested again politely. not answered. no problem. you can > > > > confirm > > > > > > this from forum itself. i never abused anyone & not replied > > the > > > > > person > > > > > > in his language who abused me publicly. i never > complained. > > all > > > > > > persons are different. we have to maintain our line. > > > > > > > > > > > > only thing i want to say is= if we trust you [ or your > forum] > > > and > > > > > give > > > > > > our personal details on public forum, no member should > offer > > > > > privately > > > > > > . if he wants to help or give some offer for help, should > > give > > > > here > > > > > in > > > > > > this forum only. > > > > > > > > > > > > sir, you tried to convince me like some elderly family > > member. > > > it > > > > is > > > > > > my privilege. but to share my feelings with you is my right. > > > > > > plz. this time do not question my intentions. i may be > wrong. > > > you > > > > > can > > > > > > point out my mistakes. > > > > > > > > > > > > i am happy to be a silent reader since last few days. i can > > > learn > > > > > this > > > > > > way also. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > ns > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > > > > > <rohini_ranjan@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelam, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps you do not realize but you have posted in public > > > forum > > > > > Mr. > > > > > > > Pathi's private message quoting his fees! That is not > > > > appropriate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This forum allows individuals to send private emails to > > > > posters, > > > > > but > > > > > > > the posters then should not post such emails on the > public > > > > forum > > > > > for > > > > > > > obvious reasons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And this is not something that happens automatically as > in > > > > > pressing > > > > > > > the replying to sender button etc. from your emailer. You > > > would > > > > > have > > > > > > > to do some copying and pasting and so on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At first I thought Mr. Pathi posted the promotional > message > > > on > > > > > open > > > > > > > forum but then it seems that he sent a private email to > > you. > > > > You > > > > > had > > > > > > > the right to refuse his advances but it should have been > > done > > > > > > > privately and not in this manner. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It makes one question your intentions for posting your > > > original > > > > > > > request on the public forum :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is a known fact that astrologers charge for readings > and > > > > many > > > > > do > > > > > > > not wish to pay them for their services. This is a clear > > > > example > > > > > of > > > > > > > what we were discussing a few days ago. In this case, > > > obviously > > > > > the > > > > > > > intentions of the reading requester are questionable! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , neelam senecha > > > > > > > <nsenecha@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > respected A V Pathiji, > > > > > > > > namaskar, > > > > > > > > thanks for showing interest in answering my queries. > > > > > > > > i am sure u have already studied my horoscope. but i > > don't > > > > > spend > > > > > > > on such things. i believe in helping poor persons or > > > renovation > > > > > of > > > > > > > temples.it reflects in my horoscope. > > > > > > > > i have some interest in learning jyotish . that's why i > > > gave > > > > my > > > > > > > queries on this forum. > > > > > > > > i think i know me & myself very well. it will be very > > > helpful > > > > > in > > > > > > > understanding process. > > > > > > > > anyway thanks, > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > ns > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > venkatachala pathi <pathiav@> > > > > > > > > nsenecha <nsenecha@> > > > > > > > > Monday, November 17, 2008 4:44:06 AM > > > > > > > > Re: my health > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In case you wish to avail my services, I will be > pleased > > > > attend > > > > > to > > > > > > > your requirement. I am in the field for last 46 years > (aged > > > > 79), > > > > > and > > > > > > > widely popular in this field around many countries for > many > > > > > years. > > > > > > > Please give me your land line address for my records. My > > > > charges > > > > > for > > > > > > > reading Horoscope is US $ 50/- each, and I will be > sending > > > > > answers > > > > > > > for 4 questions asked by you over e-mail in four days > from > > > date > > > > > of > > > > > > > receipt of amount. I will be able to send you the copies > of > > > > > charts > > > > > > > (North indian/South Indian) with Vimshothri Desa detail > for > > > an > > > > > extra > > > > > > > charge of US $ 10/- each. On hearing from you. I will > > inform > > > > you > > > > > the > > > > > > > mode of remittance. Blessings, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.V.Pathi, > > > > > > > > North Carolina, 27514, USA > > > > > > > > 001-919-960- 3833 > > > > > > > > Please contact me in ID kountinya29@ ) > > > > > > > > All private readings are chargeable.Disclaim er > > > > > > > > A.V.Pathi and his Astrology Team want to make it > > absolutely > > > > > clear > > > > > > > that no discipline is absolutely perfect. Hence, any > > > prediction > > > > > that > > > > > > > you receive from us is not to be considered as a > substitute > > > for > > > > > > > advice, program, or treatment that you would normally > > receive > > > > > from a > > > > > > > licensed professional such as a lawyer, doctor, > > psychiatrist, > > > > or > > > > > > > financial advisor. A.V.Pathi and his team provide no > > > > guarantees, > > > > > > > implied warranties, or assurances of any kind, and will > not > > > be > > > > > > > responsible for any interpretation made or use by the > > > recipient > > > > > of > > > > > > > the information and data mentioned above. By the Grace of > > God > > > > we > > > > > can > > > > > > > only try to give our best and hope that our efforts will > > > > improve > > > > > the > > > > > > > life of our customers. ~~A.V.Pathi, Astrologer and his > > team. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > nsenecha <nsenecha@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, November 1, 2008 10:36:46 PM > > > > > > > > my health > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happy diwali to all members. > > > > > > > > respected gurujis, > > > > > > > > pranam to u all. > > > > > > > > i am having many health problems like acute allergies, > > > > > > > > hypertension, uterus fibroids [operation > > > > recommended] ,fats.can > > > > > i > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > over them? my DOB=15TH.APRIL1962, POB=MAWANA[ UP], > > TOB=22:30 > > > > > [+/ - > > > > > > > 20MINUTES] . > > > > > > > > imp. events in life=marriage in feb.1985,son was born in > > > > > > > > jan.1986,right hand & elbow fracture in nov. 1988, > > daughter > > > in > > > > > > > > dec.1989. allergies since childhood[nose > > > pollips].controlled > > > > in > > > > > > > 1984. > > > > > > > > but from 8-10 years around again activated along with > > above > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > problems. > > > > > > > > my husband is a scientist. his DOB=03JULY,1959; > > > POB=PRATAPGARH > > > > [ > > > > > > > RAJ.] > > > > > > > > TOB=23:22. > > > > > > > > KINDLY explain my horoscope & suggest me something > > > > accordingly. > > > > > > > > with regards > > > > > > > > ns > > > > > > > > ------------ ------ > > > > > > > > p.s. can i have some knowledge of astrology? > > > > > > > > ------------ ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 A very good evening sir   thanks for the reply But what remarks you will make to the people who are logging different forums till now & they are getting replies Now no one is making a hue & cry now no more slogans of free free free free................. Is this the justice in eyes of the learned people.  Regards --- On Thu, 20/11/08, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar Re: Re: my health 20/11 Thursday, 20 November, 2008, 5:08 PM Seema we have to call a spade as spade no issue, we dont want members to post all over the forums and not care to use the replies effectively and blame astrology as u get good and bad readings which u can use properply if u give time for a few to happen either way before going to seek fresh advice just a s u do with health will u seek all hospitals or just one or tow to verify ur condition and a doctors views and proceed at the earliest on treatment respect astrologers who give u a reading give that its time to perform or fail for u then seek fresh ones if failed but dont forget to give feedback good or bad prashant I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's OTHER. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 ____________ _________ _________ __ Seema Shukla <seema41064 (AT) (DOT) in> Thursday, November 20, 2008 6:30:11 PM Re: Re: my health 20/11 a very good evening to allof you few days back when i posted my query there was a lots of debate Afterwards I stopped putting my point of view fine now one of the persons is inquiring in this forum as well as jyotish ganga also .He says he is need ful Now I can say so am I Now can any one preach me & talk about ethics now why there are no arguements & counter arguements Can you people now justify yourself Now I can also request to forward my query Is it so any comments ???????????? ????????? ???? --- On Thu, 20/11/08, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > wrote: Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > Re: Re: my health 20/11 Thursday, 20 November, 2008, 11:24 AM Dear Arjun hi, RRJi, Bhaskar ji, Pathi ji, a few good posts by u all an dI hope a v pathi takes this in th right spirit and continues to guide forum members here with his wosdom, and not take one experience out of proportion and leave us. each one of us have something to give and some thing to gain from one another. above all life is a never ending book with rich experiences good and bad and the pages we fill are there for rest to see. as arjun ji has said I had long ago created the database yellow pages where members can direct qurrents to seek professional help after convincing themselves of a few members reading s here I made a change in the groups home page making this clear too. which RRji said was needed I did this months ago with some much of such heated exerience over the years felt this is a necessity I had checked with the Owner Sri Tanveer ji and got his green signal and did this. what flows from this between 2 people seeking a private interaction/ relationship is not the groups responsiblity is understood as well. as people go there by choice no compulsion. just providing some platform for it. as we don't have the luxury of time or relationships betwen our circles to know who is good in which city this is a global village so we can benefit and and equally help others. Best wishes prashant ____________ _________ _________ __ panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > Thursday, November 20, 2008 2:40:34 PM Re: my health 20/11 dear bhaskarji and other members thanks for your good words. all along i have been treating astrologers akin to doctors, for doctors treat suffering patients to relieve them of their pain and suffering while astrologers find out the planetary and mythical (divine) afflictions and suggest suitable remedies. we find doctors with simple rmp, mbbs, md and other specialisations in each division and then you find small one room clinics to hospitals to polyclinics to superspeciality 5star hospitals which promote even medical tourism. similarly, we have astrologers in the traditional conservative rural areas, small time astrologers with shops in cities, established astrologers with proven testimonials of rich and famous in metros and of course the astrologers with their shops on the net too. suffering natives and querents have an array of astrologers of their choice to choose from, be it locally in their place of living or through an online consultation. sometimes doctors conduct free medical camps etc. similarly there are free astro reading groups on the net where a member is free to ask a free reading in that group. as a contributing astrologer in this group, our job is over once we give our reading. afterwards whether the querent comes back or go to another group is not ur concern. this is similar to a doctor's job getting over after testing the patient and giving his prescription of medicines. whether to buy medicines based on that prescription or visit another doctor and get another prescription, is the intellectual choice and right of the native about which we shall not bother. however, like all personal services in the services sector like doctors and advocates, astrologers too are professionals and there is no wrong in their offering paid professional services which this group moderator has permitted to present in the database section. both astrologers and querents shall treat each other with respect even if it is a free reading or a charity. for example, when devotees set up langars or free food distribution centres at pilgrimage places or elsewhere, they invite the visiting people who take the food with respect and treat them as gods for accepting their food. our scriptures narrate few vratas wherein the person prepares delicious food and offers it to various bhakts and his vrat is complete and he gets the merits and blessings only if the entire cooked food is distributed or consumed by others. if there are no visitors to take the food offered by the person doing the vrata, the vrata is a failure. with such importance given to visitors who are gods in disguise, let us all respect all alike, be it astrologers or querents. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy .com , " Bhaskar " <rajiventerprises@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Pandit ji, > Pranams. > > Your these lines sum it all - > > // on ethical lines, the astrologers are not expected to write to the > private id of the querents offering paid readings or paid remedies, > unless the querent seeks from them speicifcally. // > > // ........and the astrologer's role is only reactive and supportive > in nature, AFTER the querent approach them. // > > Thank You for being straightforward and direct in talking. > > kind regards, > Bhaskar. , " panditarjun2004 " > <panditarjun2004@ > wrote: > > > > dear friends > > > > this thread is going on and on and is confusing the suffering > > querent, answering astrologers and readers alike. > > > > let me give my understanding of how an internet based astrology > group > > functions. > > > > the net based astro group is like a venue where several astrologers > > offer free and/or paid readings, clarify doubts to fellow > > astrologers, share knowledge with astros and querents alike and > other > > related stuff. this particular group jyotish remedies is visited > > mostly by querents who seek free readings or seek free remedies. > > some querents seek professional paid readings and also paid > > remedies. these querents are at liberty to choose their > astrologers > > of choice and seek their personal readings or remedies on the > > astrologers' private mail and the concerned astrologers can offer > or > > decline as per their wish. what transpires outside the group has > > nothing to do with the group. on ethical lines, the astrologers > are > > not expected to write to the private id of the querents offering > paid > > readings or paid remedies, unless the querent seeks from them > > speicifcally. > > > > we find asrologers having shops and websites where they offer their > > paid services. some astrologers put boards outside their homes and > > offer these paid services from thier homes too. in andhra there > is > > a sect of foretellers (thousands in number) called koyadoras who > keep > > on visiting road after road and city after city and state after > state > > offering their predictions and remedies. > > > > my last word on this issue is that astrological consultancy, be it > > free or paid, is a subject matter of solicitation by the querent > and > > the hundred percent preference, choice and right vests with the > > querent and the astrologer's role is only reactive and supportive > in > > nature, AFTER the querent approach them. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji > > > > > > thanks for seeing the subject in the FAIR WAY and my stand so far > > being vindicated here. > > > > > > we have a obligation to be seen as human being not otherwise and > > remember I said all that happens in public our stand must be > > different from private ones, we must say a few words lesse than > ones > > involved in a exchange else importance of them itself is diluted. > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Bhaskar <rajiventerprises@ > > > > > > > Thursday, November 20, 2008 8:26:29 AM > > > Re: my health 20/11 > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelamji, > > > > > > I have written a harsh mail to you, and take my words back, with > a > > > apology. I never realised that the mail sent to you by Pathiji > was > > > sent on his own,and on your personal id, without being requested > > for, > > > by you. > > > > > > I do not endorse such actions. You had the right to reject that > > mail. > > > > > > best wishes, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, > > > > > > > > a well laid out reply I tried the same and did not get the > > expected > > > response not sure how this is seen > > > > > > > > i had said both were wrong and more so a as ualso said aperson > > who > > > is not fully aware of how groups/internet works in this context i > > > said she can be given a benefit of doubt as much as Pathi ji as > > there > > > is nothing wrong in offering private help her major blame lies in > > > posting private mail in public > > > > > > > > and here i said this must be settled mutually by both , both > > taking > > > a public platform and abusing one another and unfortunately it > > became > > > one v/s many for solidarity it is goood but if that also happened > > in > > > public from start some part of it was in private space so they > had > > to > > > go back there resolve it and be back either way > > > > > > > > I feel ur approach is the right one as u still have offred to > > read > > > her case inspite of all that happened we must retain a moral > higher > > > ground than the ones we r advising. > > > > > > > > I had also asked the ones who doubted her to test her > > [hilantrophy > > > side by pointing top some temple or charity and see the action > > and > > > give her the appropriate treatment it is like for a traffic > offence > > > like jumping the signal one gets a life term. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > > > Thursday, November 20, 2008 5:32:41 AM > > > > Re: my health > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelam, > > > > > > > > Thank you for your explanation and giving us all some more > > > > information about why you felt as if your privacy was > encroached > > > upon > > > > by the astrologer who wrote to you privately. > > > > > > > > It is very important for each individual member to note > carefully > > > the > > > > settings and surroundings in any group before joining in. > > > > allows two types of settings, one in which private emails can > be > > > > hidden and the other where this is not the case. Both have > their > > > > positives and negatives, with the former having potentially > more > > > > headaches for the moderators because then anyone can join the > > forum > > > > and post all kinds of stuff. It is sad but my sympathies will > be > > > with > > > > the owner/moderator in this situation. > > > > > > > > People must realize that when someone posts on a forum with > > > thousands > > > > of members, 'privacy' becomes a luxury. This is why many people > > > > prefer paid readings. On a public forum that allows emails to > be > > > > displayed or allows the 'email' option, the given understanding > > is > > > > that anyone can approach you through that portal. If the offer > > was > > > > irrelevant and inflammatory, I would be siding with you but > since > > > in > > > > this case you had requested astrological help and had not > > indicated > > > > that you do not wish to receive private offers for reading, for > > > which > > > > the onus was on you, I see no blame should be put on Mr. Pathi > > who > > > > had simply offered you with his astrological service. If he had > > > been > > > > pestering you with emails or so on, then you could have > > complained. > > > > > > > > In this case, simply put, you acted in bad faith and with > unclear > > > > knowledge of where you were posting your request which you > wished > > > to > > > > remain free but private, Mr. Pathi and not you is the injured > > party! > > > > > > > > Please note that I do not know Mr. Pathi from Adam but I do not > > see > > > > what wrong he did if all he did was send you ONE EMAIL offering > > his > > > > astrological services. > > > > > > > > You or anyone else may disagree with me but what is right is > > right! > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > , " nsenecha " > > <nsenecha@ .> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > respected sir, > > > > > pranam. > > > > > sir, it is my polite request. plz. don't take it the other > way. > > > > > > > > > > yes, it is true, it was a personal email but my id was taken > > from > > > > the > > > > > public forum. i was not knowing that he is allowed to send > > private > > > > > emails like this. i thought he should send it publicly. > > > > > i am not sorry for that. > > > > > > > > > > sir, you have the right to question my intentions for asking > > > > questions > > > > > here. i simply asked.if replied, thanked. if i wanted to know > > > more, > > > > > requested again politely. not answered. no problem. you can > > > confirm > > > > > this from forum itself. i never abused anyone & not replied > the > > > > person > > > > > in his language who abused me publicly. i never complained. > all > > > > > persons are different. we have to maintain our line. > > > > > > > > > > only thing i want to say is= if we trust you [ or your forum] > > and > > > > give > > > > > our personal details on public forum, no member should offer > > > > privately > > > > > . if he wants to help or give some offer for help, should > give > > > here > > > > in > > > > > this forum only. > > > > > > > > > > sir, you tried to convince me like some elderly family > member. > > it > > > is > > > > > my privilege. but to share my feelings with you is my right. > > > > > plz. this time do not question my intentions. i may be wrong. > > you > > > > can > > > > > point out my mistakes. > > > > > > > > > > i am happy to be a silent reader since last few days. i can > > learn > > > > this > > > > > way also. > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > ns > > > > > ---- > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > > > > <rohini_ranjan@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelam, > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps you do not realize but you have posted in public > > forum > > > > Mr. > > > > > > Pathi's private message quoting his fees! That is not > > > appropriate. > > > > > > > > > > > > This forum allows individuals to send private emails to > > > posters, > > > > but > > > > > > the posters then should not post such emails on the public > > > forum > > > > for > > > > > > obvious reasons. > > > > > > > > > > > > And this is not something that happens automatically as in > > > > pressing > > > > > > the replying to sender button etc. from your emailer. You > > would > > > > have > > > > > > to do some copying and pasting and so on. > > > > > > > > > > > > At first I thought Mr. Pathi posted the promotional message > > on > > > > open > > > > > > forum but then it seems that he sent a private email to > you. > > > You > > > > had > > > > > > the right to refuse his advances but it should have been > done > > > > > > privately and not in this manner. > > > > > > > > > > > > It makes one question your intentions for posting your > > original > > > > > > request on the public forum :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > It is a known fact that astrologers charge for readings and > > > many > > > > do > > > > > > not wish to pay them for their services. This is a clear > > > example > > > > of > > > > > > what we were discussing a few days ago. In this case, > > obviously > > > > the > > > > > > intentions of the reading requester are questionable! > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , neelam senecha > > > > > > <nsenecha@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > respected A V Pathiji, > > > > > > > namaskar, > > > > > > > thanks for showing interest in answering my queries. > > > > > > > i am sure u have already studied my horoscope. but i > don't > > > > spend > > > > > > on such things. i believe in helping poor persons or > > renovation > > > > of > > > > > > temples.it reflects in my horoscope. > > > > > > > i have some interest in learning jyotish . that's why i > > gave > > > my > > > > > > queries on this forum. > > > > > > > i think i know me & myself very well. it will be very > > helpful > > > > in > > > > > > understanding process. > > > > > > > anyway thanks, > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > ns > > > > > > > ------------ --------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > venkatachala pathi <pathiav@> > > > > > > > nsenecha <nsenecha@> > > > > > > > Monday, November 17, 2008 4:44:06 AM > > > > > > > Re: my health > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In case you wish to avail my services, I will be pleased > > > attend > > > > to > > > > > > your requirement. I am in the field for last 46 years (aged > > > 79), > > > > and > > > > > > widely popular in this field around many countries for many > > > > years. > > > > > > Please give me your land line address for my records. My > > > charges > > > > for > > > > > > reading Horoscope is US $ 50/- each, and I will be sending > > > > answers > > > > > > for 4 questions asked by you over e-mail in four days from > > date > > > > of > > > > > > receipt of amount. I will be able to send you the copies of > > > > charts > > > > > > (North indian/South Indian) with Vimshothri Desa detail for > > an > > > > extra > > > > > > charge of US $ 10/- each. On hearing from you. I will > inform > > > you > > > > the > > > > > > mode of remittance. Blessings, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.V.Pathi, > > > > > > > North Carolina, 27514, USA > > > > > > > 001-919-960- 3833 > > > > > > > Please contact me in ID kountinya29@ ) > > > > > > > All private readings are chargeable.Disclaim er > > > > > > > A.V.Pathi and his Astrology Team want to make it > absolutely > > > > clear > > > > > > that no discipline is absolutely perfect. Hence, any > > prediction > > > > that > > > > > > you receive from us is not to be considered as a substitute > > for > > > > > > advice, program, or treatment that you would normally > receive > > > > from a > > > > > > licensed professional such as a lawyer, doctor, > psychiatrist, > > > or > > > > > > financial advisor. A.V.Pathi and his team provide no > > > guarantees, > > > > > > implied warranties, or assurances of any kind, and will not > > be > > > > > > responsible for any interpretation made or use by the > > recipient > > > > of > > > > > > the information and data mentioned above. By the Grace of > God > > > we > > > > can > > > > > > only try to give our best and hope that our efforts will > > > improve > > > > the > > > > > > life of our customers. ~~A.V.Pathi, Astrologer and his > team. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > nsenecha <nsenecha@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, November 1, 2008 10:36:46 PM > > > > > > > my health > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happy diwali to all members. > > > > > > > respected gurujis, > > > > > > > pranam to u all. > > > > > > > i am having many health problems like acute allergies, > > > > > > > hypertension, uterus fibroids [operation > > > recommended] ,fats.can > > > > i > > > > > > get > > > > > > > over them? my DOB=15TH.APRIL1962, POB=MAWANA[ UP], > TOB=22:30 > > > > [+/ - > > > > > > 20MINUTES] . > > > > > > > imp. events in life=marriage in feb.1985,son was born in > > > > > > > jan.1986,right hand & elbow fracture in nov. 1988, > daughter > > in > > > > > > > dec.1989. allergies since childhood[nose > > pollips].controlled > > > in > > > > > > 1984. > > > > > > > but from 8-10 years around again activated along with > above > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > problems. > > > > > > > my husband is a scientist. his DOB=03JULY,1959; > > POB=PRATAPGARH > > > [ > > > > > > RAJ.] > > > > > > > TOB=23:22. > > > > > > > KINDLY explain my horoscope & suggest me something > > > accordingly. > > > > > > > with regards > > > > > > > ns > > > > > > > ------------ ------ > > > > > > > p.s. can i have some knowledge of astrology? > > > > > > > ------------ ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 Seema pl see my replies to Amrutha, Nikil in this group and in vedic astrology the reply is same in any such case I am not worried if more than one reads a cse in a group as long as it is their own and dont contradict or ridicule others replies but Bhaskar ji from jyotish ganga has a different view he is not comfortable with somone reading a case he has already done a reading for we had a lot of heated exchanges on this in the past 2 yrs in this group i said I have no issues if he or anyone does a reading on a read case by anyone after all we exchange ideas, different views I AM AGAINST PPL posting in too many groups SEE MY VIES AS SAID ON THE 2 CASES I JUST SAID TODAY BTW NOW ME AND bHASKAR HAVE RESOLVED OUR DIFFERENCES SO MUT NOT TAKE it beyond what i meant that past we had huge differences on such cases he had said same now too it is simple give his reading some time to pass and then get back in JG and then ask others as u wish till then give him his due, if u get more answers there or in any one group don't post in others for some time so that other cases also get attention. best wishes prashant I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's OTHER. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. /database?method=reportRows & tbl=6 ________________________________ Seema Shukla <seema41064 Friday, November 21, 2008 4:29:17 PM Re: Re: my health 20/11 A very good evening sir thanks for the reply But what remarks you will make to the people who are logging different forums till now & they are getting replies Now no one is making a hue & cry now no more slogans of free free free free........ ......... Is this the justice in eyes of the learned people. Regards --- On Thu, 20/11/08, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > wrote: Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > Re: Re: my health 20/11 Thursday, 20 November, 2008, 5:08 PM Seema we have to call a spade as spade no issue, we dont want members to post all over the forums and not care to use the replies effectively and blame astrology as u get good and bad readings which u can use properply if u give time for a few to happen either way before going to seek fresh advice just a s u do with health will u seek all hospitals or just one or tow to verify ur condition and a doctors views and proceed at the earliest on treatment respect astrologers who give u a reading give that its time to perform or fail for u then seek fresh ones if failed but dont forget to give feedback good or bad prashant I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's OTHER. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 ____________ _________ _________ __ Seema Shukla <seema41064@ . in> Thursday, November 20, 2008 6:30:11 PM Re: Re: my health 20/11 a very good evening to allof you few days back when i posted my query there was a lots of debate Afterwards I stopped putting my point of view fine now one of the persons is inquiring in this forum as well as jyotish ganga also .He says he is need ful Now I can say so am I Now can any one preach me & talk about ethics now why there are no arguements & counter arguements Can you people now justify yourself Now I can also request to forward my query Is it so any comments ???????????? ????????? ???? --- On Thu, 20/11/08, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > wrote: Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > Re: Re: my health 20/11 Thursday, 20 November, 2008, 11:24 AM Dear Arjun hi, RRJi, Bhaskar ji, Pathi ji, a few good posts by u all an dI hope a v pathi takes this in th right spirit and continues to guide forum members here with his wosdom, and not take one experience out of proportion and leave us. each one of us have something to give and some thing to gain from one another. above all life is a never ending book with rich experiences good and bad and the pages we fill are there for rest to see. as arjun ji has said I had long ago created the database yellow pages where members can direct qurrents to seek professional help after convincing themselves of a few members reading s here I made a change in the groups home page making this clear too. which RRji said was needed I did this months ago with some much of such heated exerience over the years felt this is a necessity I had checked with the Owner Sri Tanveer ji and got his green signal and did this. what flows from this between 2 people seeking a private interaction/ relationship is not the groups responsiblity is understood as well. as people go there by choice no compulsion. just providing some platform for it. as we don't have the luxury of time or relationships betwen our circles to know who is good in which city this is a global village so we can benefit and and equally help others. Best wishes prashant ____________ _________ _________ __ panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > Thursday, November 20, 2008 2:40:34 PM Re: my health 20/11 dear bhaskarji and other members thanks for your good words. all along i have been treating astrologers akin to doctors, for doctors treat suffering patients to relieve them of their pain and suffering while astrologers find out the planetary and mythical (divine) afflictions and suggest suitable remedies. we find doctors with simple rmp, mbbs, md and other specialisations in each division and then you find small one room clinics to hospitals to polyclinics to superspeciality 5star hospitals which promote even medical tourism. similarly, we have astrologers in the traditional conservative rural areas, small time astrologers with shops in cities, established astrologers with proven testimonials of rich and famous in metros and of course the astrologers with their shops on the net too. suffering natives and querents have an array of astrologers of their choice to choose from, be it locally in their place of living or through an online consultation. sometimes doctors conduct free medical camps etc. similarly there are free astro reading groups on the net where a member is free to ask a free reading in that group. as a contributing astrologer in this group, our job is over once we give our reading. afterwards whether the querent comes back or go to another group is not ur concern. this is similar to a doctor's job getting over after testing the patient and giving his prescription of medicines. whether to buy medicines based on that prescription or visit another doctor and get another prescription, is the intellectual choice and right of the native about which we shall not bother. however, like all personal services in the services sector like doctors and advocates, astrologers too are professionals and there is no wrong in their offering paid professional services which this group moderator has permitted to present in the database section. both astrologers and querents shall treat each other with respect even if it is a free reading or a charity. for example, when devotees set up langars or free food distribution centres at pilgrimage places or elsewhere, they invite the visiting people who take the food with respect and treat them as gods for accepting their food. our scriptures narrate few vratas wherein the person prepares delicious food and offers it to various bhakts and his vrat is complete and he gets the merits and blessings only if the entire cooked food is distributed or consumed by others. if there are no visitors to take the food offered by the person doing the vrata, the vrata is a failure. with such importance given to visitors who are gods in disguise, let us all respect all alike, be it astrologers or querents. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy .com , " Bhaskar " <rajiventerprises@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Pandit ji, > Pranams. > > Your these lines sum it all - > > // on ethical lines, the astrologers are not expected to write to the > private id of the querents offering paid readings or paid remedies, > unless the querent seeks from them speicifcally. // > > // ........and the astrologer's role is only reactive and supportive > in nature, AFTER the querent approach them. // > > Thank You for being straightforward and direct in talking. > > kind regards, > Bhaskar. , " panditarjun2004 " > <panditarjun2004@ > wrote: > > > > dear friends > > > > this thread is going on and on and is confusing the suffering > > querent, answering astrologers and readers alike. > > > > let me give my understanding of how an internet based astrology > group > > functions. > > > > the net based astro group is like a venue where several astrologers > > offer free and/or paid readings, clarify doubts to fellow > > astrologers, share knowledge with astros and querents alike and > other > > related stuff. this particular group jyotish remedies is visited > > mostly by querents who seek free readings or seek free remedies. > > some querents seek professional paid readings and also paid > > remedies. these querents are at liberty to choose their > astrologers > > of choice and seek their personal readings or remedies on the > > astrologers' private mail and the concerned astrologers can offer > or > > decline as per their wish. what transpires outside the group has > > nothing to do with the group. on ethical lines, the astrologers > are > > not expected to write to the private id of the querents offering > paid > > readings or paid remedies, unless the querent seeks from them > > speicifcally. > > > > we find asrologers having shops and websites where they offer their > > paid services. some astrologers put boards outside their homes and > > offer these paid services from thier homes too. in andhra there > is > > a sect of foretellers (thousands in number) called koyadoras who > keep > > on visiting road after road and city after city and state after > state > > offering their predictions and remedies. > > > > my last word on this issue is that astrological consultancy, be it > > free or paid, is a subject matter of solicitation by the querent > and > > the hundred percent preference, choice and right vests with the > > querent and the astrologer's role is only reactive and supportive > in > > nature, AFTER the querent approach them. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji > > > > > > thanks for seeing the subject in the FAIR WAY and my stand so far > > being vindicated here. > > > > > > we have a obligation to be seen as human being not otherwise and > > remember I said all that happens in public our stand must be > > different from private ones, we must say a few words lesse than > ones > > involved in a exchange else importance of them itself is diluted. > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Bhaskar <rajiventerprises@ > > > > > > > Thursday, November 20, 2008 8:26:29 AM > > > Re: my health 20/11 > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelamji, > > > > > > I have written a harsh mail to you, and take my words back, with > a > > > apology. I never realised that the mail sent to you by Pathiji > was > > > sent on his own,and on your personal id, without being requested > > for, > > > by you. > > > > > > I do not endorse such actions. You had the right to reject that > > mail. > > > > > > best wishes, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, > > > > > > > > a well laid out reply I tried the same and did not get the > > expected > > > response not sure how this is seen > > > > > > > > i had said both were wrong and more so a as ualso said aperson > > who > > > is not fully aware of how groups/internet works in this context i > > > said she can be given a benefit of doubt as much as Pathi ji as > > there > > > is nothing wrong in offering private help her major blame lies in > > > posting private mail in public > > > > > > > > and here i said this must be settled mutually by both , both > > taking > > > a public platform and abusing one another and unfortunately it > > became > > > one v/s many for solidarity it is goood but if that also happened > > in > > > public from start some part of it was in private space so they > had > > to > > > go back there resolve it and be back either way > > > > > > > > I feel ur approach is the right one as u still have offred to > > read > > > her case inspite of all that happened we must retain a moral > higher > > > ground than the ones we r advising. > > > > > > > > I had also asked the ones who doubted her to test her > > [hilantrophy > > > side by pointing top some temple or charity and see the action > > and > > > give her the appropriate treatment it is like for a traffic > offence > > > like jumping the signal one gets a life term. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > > > Thursday, November 20, 2008 5:32:41 AM > > > > Re: my health > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelam, > > > > > > > > Thank you for your explanation and giving us all some more > > > > information about why you felt as if your privacy was > encroached > > > upon > > > > by the astrologer who wrote to you privately. > > > > > > > > It is very important for each individual member to note > carefully > > > the > > > > settings and surroundings in any group before joining in. > > > > allows two types of settings, one in which private emails can > be > > > > hidden and the other where this is not the case. Both have > their > > > > positives and negatives, with the former having potentially > more > > > > headaches for the moderators because then anyone can join the > > forum > > > > and post all kinds of stuff. It is sad but my sympathies will > be > > > with > > > > the owner/moderator in this situation. > > > > > > > > People must realize that when someone posts on a forum with > > > thousands > > > > of members, 'privacy' becomes a luxury. This is why many people > > > > prefer paid readings. On a public forum that allows emails to > be > > > > displayed or allows the 'email' option, the given understanding > > is > > > > that anyone can approach you through that portal. If the offer > > was > > > > irrelevant and inflammatory, I would be siding with you but > since > > > in > > > > this case you had requested astrological help and had not > > indicated > > > > that you do not wish to receive private offers for reading, for > > > which > > > > the onus was on you, I see no blame should be put on Mr. Pathi > > who > > > > had simply offered you with his astrological service. If he had > > > been > > > > pestering you with emails or so on, then you could have > > complained. > > > > > > > > In this case, simply put, you acted in bad faith and with > unclear > > > > knowledge of where you were posting your request which you > wished > > > to > > > > remain free but private, Mr. Pathi and not you is the injured > > party! > > > > > > > > Please note that I do not know Mr. Pathi from Adam but I do not > > see > > > > what wrong he did if all he did was send you ONE EMAIL offering > > his > > > > astrological services. > > > > > > > > You or anyone else may disagree with me but what is right is > > right! > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > , " nsenecha " > > <nsenecha@ .> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > respected sir, > > > > > pranam. > > > > > sir, it is my polite request. plz. don't take it the other > way. > > > > > > > > > > yes, it is true, it was a personal email but my id was taken > > from > > > > the > > > > > public forum. i was not knowing that he is allowed to send > > private > > > > > emails like this. i thought he should send it publicly. > > > > > i am not sorry for that. > > > > > > > > > > sir, you have the right to question my intentions for asking > > > > questions > > > > > here. i simply asked.if replied, thanked. if i wanted to know > > > more, > > > > > requested again politely. not answered. no problem. you can > > > confirm > > > > > this from forum itself. i never abused anyone & not replied > the > > > > person > > > > > in his language who abused me publicly. i never complained. > all > > > > > persons are different. we have to maintain our line. > > > > > > > > > > only thing i want to say is= if we trust you [ or your forum] > > and > > > > give > > > > > our personal details on public forum, no member should offer > > > > privately > > > > > . if he wants to help or give some offer for help, should > give > > > here > > > > in > > > > > this forum only. > > > > > > > > > > sir, you tried to convince me like some elderly family > member. > > it > > > is > > > > > my privilege. but to share my feelings with you is my right. > > > > > plz. this time do not question my intentions. i may be wrong. > > you > > > > can > > > > > point out my mistakes. > > > > > > > > > > i am happy to be a silent reader since last few days. i can > > learn > > > > this > > > > > way also. > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > ns > > > > > ---- > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > > > > <rohini_ranjan@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelam, > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps you do not realize but you have posted in public > > forum > > > > Mr. > > > > > > Pathi's private message quoting his fees! That is not > > > appropriate. > > > > > > > > > > > > This forum allows individuals to send private emails to > > > posters, > > > > but > > > > > > the posters then should not post such emails on the public > > > forum > > > > for > > > > > > obvious reasons. > > > > > > > > > > > > And this is not something that happens automatically as in > > > > pressing > > > > > > the replying to sender button etc. from your emailer. You > > would > > > > have > > > > > > to do some copying and pasting and so on. > > > > > > > > > > > > At first I thought Mr. Pathi posted the promotional message > > on > > > > open > > > > > > forum but then it seems that he sent a private email to > you. > > > You > > > > had > > > > > > the right to refuse his advances but it should have been > done > > > > > > privately and not in this manner. > > > > > > > > > > > > It makes one question your intentions for posting your > > original > > > > > > request on the public forum :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > It is a known fact that astrologers charge for readings and > > > many > > > > do > > > > > > not wish to pay them for their services. This is a clear > > > example > > > > of > > > > > > what we were discussing a few days ago. In this case, > > obviously > > > > the > > > > > > intentions of the reading requester are questionable! > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , neelam senecha > > > > > > <nsenecha@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > respected A V Pathiji, > > > > > > > namaskar, > > > > > > > thanks for showing interest in answering my queries. > > > > > > > i am sure u have already studied my horoscope. but i > don't > > > > spend > > > > > > on such things. i believe in helping poor persons or > > renovation > > > > of > > > > > > temples.it reflects in my horoscope. > > > > > > > i have some interest in learning jyotish . that's why i > > gave > > > my > > > > > > queries on this forum. > > > > > > > i think i know me & myself very well. it will be very > > helpful > > > > in > > > > > > understanding process. > > > > > > > anyway thanks, > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > ns > > > > > > > ------------ --------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > venkatachala pathi <pathiav@> > > > > > > > nsenecha <nsenecha@> > > > > > > > Monday, November 17, 2008 4:44:06 AM > > > > > > > Re: my health > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In case you wish to avail my services, I will be pleased > > > attend > > > > to > > > > > > your requirement. I am in the field for last 46 years (aged > > > 79), > > > > and > > > > > > widely popular in this field around many countries for many > > > > years. > > > > > > Please give me your land line address for my records. My > > > charges > > > > for > > > > > > reading Horoscope is US $ 50/- each, and I will be sending > > > > answers > > > > > > for 4 questions asked by you over e-mail in four days from > > date > > > > of > > > > > > receipt of amount. I will be able to send you the copies of > > > > charts > > > > > > (North indian/South Indian) with Vimshothri Desa detail for > > an > > > > extra > > > > > > charge of US $ 10/- each. On hearing from you. I will > inform > > > you > > > > the > > > > > > mode of remittance. Blessings, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.V.Pathi, > > > > > > > North Carolina, 27514, USA > > > > > > > 001-919-960- 3833 > > > > > > > Please contact me in ID kountinya29@ ) > > > > > > > All private readings are chargeable.Disclaim er > > > > > > > A.V.Pathi and his Astrology Team want to make it > absolutely > > > > clear > > > > > > that no discipline is absolutely perfect. Hence, any > > prediction > > > > that > > > > > > you receive from us is not to be considered as a substitute > > for > > > > > > advice, program, or treatment that you would normally > receive > > > > from a > > > > > > licensed professional such as a lawyer, doctor, > psychiatrist, > > > or > > > > > > financial advisor. A.V.Pathi and his team provide no > > > guarantees, > > > > > > implied warranties, or assurances of any kind, and will not > > be > > > > > > responsible for any interpretation made or use by the > > recipient > > > > of > > > > > > the information and data mentioned above. By the Grace of > God > > > we > > > > can > > > > > > only try to give our best and hope that our efforts will > > > improve > > > > the > > > > > > life of our customers. ~~A.V.Pathi, Astrologer and his > team. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > nsenecha <nsenecha@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, November 1, 2008 10:36:46 PM > > > > > > > my health > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happy diwali to all members. > > > > > > > respected gurujis, > > > > > > > pranam to u all. > > > > > > > i am having many health problems like acute allergies, > > > > > > > hypertension, uterus fibroids [operation > > > recommended] ,fats.can > > > > i > > > > > > get > > > > > > > over them? my DOB=15TH.APRIL1962, POB=MAWANA[ UP], > TOB=22:30 > > > > [+/ - > > > > > > 20MINUTES] . > > > > > > > imp. events in life=marriage in feb.1985,son was born in > > > > > > > jan.1986,right hand & elbow fracture in nov. 1988, > daughter > > in > > > > > > > dec.1989. allergies since childhood[nose > > pollips].controlled > > > in > > > > > > 1984. > > > > > > > but from 8-10 years around again activated along with > above > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > problems. > > > > > > > my husband is a scientist. his DOB=03JULY,1959; > > POB=PRATAPGARH > > > [ > > > > > > RAJ.] > > > > > > > TOB=23:22. > > > > > > > KINDLY explain my horoscope & suggest me something > > > accordingly. > > > > > > > with regards > > > > > > > ns > > > > > > > ------------ ------ > > > > > > > p.s. can i have some knowledge of astrology? > > > > > > > ------------ ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 Dear Sri PrasanthJi I trust this mail finds you in good health. Yesterday I sent a mail to Ms.Seema Sukla to know whether the reference of a person in her mail --------- " ...... now one of the persons is inquiring in this forum as well as jyotish ganga also " is a reference to me, since in my reply to BhaskarJi's mail in this Forum I made a reference to Mr.Bhaskar and jyotishganga " I have not received any reply on this . Since you have replied to her mail to which I refered to above , I will be glad if if you can let me know . if the reference is to me .If so I have something to say and if it is not Me then it is fine . I am extreemly sorry for troubling you on this. With Best Regards Sai ________________________________ Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar Thursday, November 20, 2008 10:38:26 PM Re: Re: my health 20/11 Seema we have to call a spade as spade no issue, we dont want members to post all over the forums and not care to use the replies effectively and blame astrology as u get good and bad readings which u can use properply if u give time for a few to happen either way before going to seek fresh advice just a s u do with health will u seek all hospitals or just one or tow to verify ur condition and a doctors views and proceed at the earliest on treatment respect astrologers who give u a reading give that its time to perform or fail for u then seek fresh ones if failed but dont forget to give feedback good or bad prashant I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's OTHER. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 ____________ _________ _________ __ Seema Shukla <seema41064 (AT) (DOT) in> Thursday, November 20, 2008 6:30:11 PM Re: Re: my health 20/11 a very good evening to allof you few days back when i posted my query there was a lots of debate Afterwards I stopped putting my point of view fine now one of the persons is inquiring in this forum as well as jyotish ganga also .He says he is need ful Now I can say so am I Now can any one preach me & talk about ethics now why there are no arguements & counter arguements Can you people now justify yourself Now I can also request to forward my query Is it so any comments ???????????? ????????? ???? --- On Thu, 20/11/08, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > wrote: Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > Re: Re: my health 20/11 Thursday, 20 November, 2008, 11:24 AM Dear Arjun hi, RRJi, Bhaskar ji, Pathi ji, a few good posts by u all an dI hope a v pathi takes this in th right spirit and continues to guide forum members here with his wosdom, and not take one experience out of proportion and leave us. each one of us have something to give and some thing to gain from one another. above all life is a never ending book with rich experiences good and bad and the pages we fill are there for rest to see. as arjun ji has said I had long ago created the database yellow pages where members can direct qurrents to seek professional help after convincing themselves of a few members reading s here I made a change in the groups home page making this clear too. which RRji said was needed I did this months ago with some much of such heated exerience over the years felt this is a necessity I had checked with the Owner Sri Tanveer ji and got his green signal and did this. what flows from this between 2 people seeking a private interaction/ relationship is not the groups responsiblity is understood as well. as people go there by choice no compulsion. just providing some platform for it. as we don't have the luxury of time or relationships betwen our circles to know who is good in which city this is a global village so we can benefit and and equally help others. Best wishes prashant ____________ _________ _________ __ panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > Thursday, November 20, 2008 2:40:34 PM Re: my health 20/11 dear bhaskarji and other members thanks for your good words. all along i have been treating astrologers akin to doctors, for doctors treat suffering patients to relieve them of their pain and suffering while astrologers find out the planetary and mythical (divine) afflictions and suggest suitable remedies. we find doctors with simple rmp, mbbs, md and other specialisations in each division and then you find small one room clinics to hospitals to polyclinics to superspeciality 5star hospitals which promote even medical tourism. similarly, we have astrologers in the traditional conservative rural areas, small time astrologers with shops in cities, established astrologers with proven testimonials of rich and famous in metros and of course the astrologers with their shops on the net too. suffering natives and querents have an array of astrologers of their choice to choose from, be it locally in their place of living or through an online consultation. sometimes doctors conduct free medical camps etc. similarly there are free astro reading groups on the net where a member is free to ask a free reading in that group. as a contributing astrologer in this group, our job is over once we give our reading. afterwards whether the querent comes back or go to another group is not ur concern. this is similar to a doctor's job getting over after testing the patient and giving his prescription of medicines. whether to buy medicines based on that prescription or visit another doctor and get another prescription, is the intellectual choice and right of the native about which we shall not bother. however, like all personal services in the services sector like doctors and advocates, astrologers too are professionals and there is no wrong in their offering paid professional services which this group moderator has permitted to present in the database section. both astrologers and querents shall treat each other with respect even if it is a free reading or a charity.. for example, when devotees set up langars or free food distribution centres at pilgrimage places or elsewhere, they invite the visiting people who take the food with respect and treat them as gods for accepting their food. our scriptures narrate few vratas wherein the person prepares delicious food and offers it to various bhakts and his vrat is complete and he gets the merits and blessings only if the entire cooked food is distributed or consumed by others. if there are no visitors to take the food offered by the person doing the vrata, the vrata is a failure. with such importance given to visitors who are gods in disguise, let us all respect all alike, be it astrologers or querents. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy .com , " Bhaskar " <rajiventerprises@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Pandit ji, > Pranams. > > Your these lines sum it all - > > // on ethical lines, the astrologers are not expected to write to the > private id of the querents offering paid readings or paid remedies, > unless the querent seeks from them speicifcally. // > > // ........and the astrologer's role is only reactive and supportive > in nature, AFTER the querent approach them. // > > Thank You for being straightforward and direct in talking. > > kind regards, > Bhaskar. , " panditarjun2004 " > <panditarjun2004@ > wrote: > > > > dear friends > > > > this thread is going on and on and is confusing the suffering > > querent, answering astrologers and readers alike. > > > > let me give my understanding of how an internet based astrology > group > > functions. > > > > the net based astro group is like a venue where several astrologers > > offer free and/or paid readings, clarify doubts to fellow > > astrologers, share knowledge with astros and querents alike and > other > > related stuff. this particular group jyotish remedies is visited > > mostly by querents who seek free readings or seek free remedies. > > some querents seek professional paid readings and also paid > > remedies. these querents are at liberty to choose their > astrologers > > of choice and seek their personal readings or remedies on the > > astrologers' private mail and the concerned astrologers can offer > or > > decline as per their wish. what transpires outside the group has > > nothing to do with the group. on ethical lines, the astrologers > are > > not expected to write to the private id of the querents offering > paid > > readings or paid remedies, unless the querent seeks from them > > speicifcally. > > > > we find asrologers having shops and websites where they offer their > > paid services. some astrologers put boards outside their homes and > > offer these paid services from thier homes too. in andhra there > is > > a sect of foretellers (thousands in number) called koyadoras who > keep > > on visiting road after road and city after city and state after > state > > offering their predictions and remedies. > > > > my last word on this issue is that astrological consultancy, be it > > free or paid, is a subject matter of solicitation by the querent > and > > the hundred percent preference, choice and right vests with the > > querent and the astrologer's role is only reactive and supportive > in > > nature, AFTER the querent approach them. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji > > > > > > thanks for seeing the subject in the FAIR WAY and my stand so far > > being vindicated here. > > > > > > we have a obligation to be seen as human being not otherwise and > > remember I said all that happens in public our stand must be > > different from private ones, we must say a few words lesse than > ones > > involved in a exchange else importance of them itself is diluted. > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Bhaskar <rajiventerprises@ > > > > > > > Thursday, November 20, 2008 8:26:29 AM > > > Re: my health 20/11 > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelamji, > > > > > > I have written a harsh mail to you, and take my words back, with > a > > > apology. I never realised that the mail sent to you by Pathiji > was > > > sent on his own,and on your personal id, without being requested > > for, > > > by you. > > > > > > I do not endorse such actions. You had the right to reject that > > mail. > > > > > > best wishes, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, > > > > > > > > a well laid out reply I tried the same and did not get the > > expected > > > response not sure how this is seen > > > > > > > > i had said both were wrong and more so a as ualso said aperson > > who > > > is not fully aware of how groups/internet works in this context i > > > said she can be given a benefit of doubt as much as Pathi ji as > > there > > > is nothing wrong in offering private help her major blame lies in > > > posting private mail in public > > > > > > > > and here i said this must be settled mutually by both , both > > taking > > > a public platform and abusing one another and unfortunately it > > became > > > one v/s many for solidarity it is goood but if that also happened > > in > > > public from start some part of it was in private space so they > had > > to > > > go back there resolve it and be back either way > > > > > > > > I feel ur approach is the right one as u still have offred to > > read > > > her case inspite of all that happened we must retain a moral > higher > > > ground than the ones we r advising. > > > > > > > > I had also asked the ones who doubted her to test her > > [hilantrophy > > > side by pointing top some temple or charity and see the action > > and > > > give her the appropriate treatment it is like for a traffic > offence > > > like jumping the signal one gets a life term. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > > > Thursday, November 20, 2008 5:32:41 AM > > > > Re: my health > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelam, > > > > > > > > Thank you for your explanation and giving us all some more > > > > information about why you felt as if your privacy was > encroached > > > upon > > > > by the astrologer who wrote to you privately. > > > > > > > > It is very important for each individual member to note > carefully > > > the > > > > settings and surroundings in any group before joining in. > > > > allows two types of settings, one in which private emails can > be > > > > hidden and the other where this is not the case. Both have > their > > > > positives and negatives, with the former having potentially > more > > > > headaches for the moderators because then anyone can join the > > forum > > > > and post all kinds of stuff. It is sad but my sympathies will > be > > > with > > > > the owner/moderator in this situation. > > > > > > > > People must realize that when someone posts on a forum with > > > thousands > > > > of members, 'privacy' becomes a luxury. This is why many people > > > > prefer paid readings. On a public forum that allows emails to > be > > > > displayed or allows the 'email' option, the given understanding > > is > > > > that anyone can approach you through that portal. If the offer > > was > > > > irrelevant and inflammatory, I would be siding with you but > since > > > in > > > > this case you had requested astrological help and had not > > indicated > > > > that you do not wish to receive private offers for reading, for > > > which > > > > the onus was on you, I see no blame should be put on Mr. Pathi > > who > > > > had simply offered you with his astrological service. If he had > > > been > > > > pestering you with emails or so on, then you could have > > complained. > > > > > > > > In this case, simply put, you acted in bad faith and with > unclear > > > > knowledge of where you were posting your request which you > wished > > > to > > > > remain free but private, Mr. Pathi and not you is the injured > > party! > > > > > > > > Please note that I do not know Mr. Pathi from Adam but I do not > > see > > > > what wrong he did if all he did was send you ONE EMAIL offering > > his > > > > astrological services. > > > > > > > > You or anyone else may disagree with me but what is right is > > right! > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > , " nsenecha " > > <nsenecha@ .> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > respected sir, > > > > > pranam. > > > > > sir, it is my polite request. plz. don't take it the other > way. > > > > > > > > > > yes, it is true, it was a personal email but my id was taken > > from > > > > the > > > > > public forum. i was not knowing that he is allowed to send > > private > > > > > emails like this. i thought he should send it publicly. > > > > > i am not sorry for that. > > > > > > > > > > sir, you have the right to question my intentions for asking > > > > questions > > > > > here. i simply asked.if replied, thanked. if i wanted to know > > > more, > > > > > requested again politely. not answered. no problem. you can > > > confirm > > > > > this from forum itself. i never abused anyone & not replied > the > > > > person > > > > > in his language who abused me publicly. i never complained. > all > > > > > persons are different. we have to maintain our line. > > > > > > > > > > only thing i want to say is= if we trust you [ or your forum] > > and > > > > give > > > > > our personal details on public forum, no member should offer > > > > privately > > > > > . if he wants to help or give some offer for help, should > give > > > here > > > > in > > > > > this forum only. > > > > > > > > > > sir, you tried to convince me like some elderly family > member. > > it > > > is > > > > > my privilege. but to share my feelings with you is my right. > > > > > plz. this time do not question my intentions. i may be wrong. > > you > > > > can > > > > > point out my mistakes. > > > > > > > > > > i am happy to be a silent reader since last few days.. i can > > learn > > > > this > > > > > way also. > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > ns > > > > > ---- > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > > > > <rohini_ranjan@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelam, > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps you do not realize but you have posted in public > > forum > > > > Mr. > > > > > > Pathi's private message quoting his fees! That is not > > > appropriate. > > > > > > > > > > > > This forum allows individuals to send private emails to > > > posters, > > > > but > > > > > > the posters then should not post such emails on the public > > > forum > > > > for > > > > > > obvious reasons. > > > > > > > > > > > > And this is not something that happens automatically as in > > > > pressing > > > > > > the replying to sender button etc. from your emailer. You > > would > > > > have > > > > > > to do some copying and pasting and so on. > > > > > > > > > > > > At first I thought Mr. Pathi posted the promotional message > > on > > > > open > > > > > > forum but then it seems that he sent a private email to > you. > > > You > > > > had > > > > > > the right to refuse his advances but it should have been > done > > > > > > privately and not in this manner. > > > > > > > > > > > > It makes one question your intentions for posting your > > original > > > > > > request on the public forum :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > It is a known fact that astrologers charge for readings and > > > many > > > > do > > > > > > not wish to pay them for their services. This is a clear > > > example > > > > of > > > > > > what we were discussing a few days ago. In this case, > > obviously > > > > the > > > > > > intentions of the reading requester are questionable! > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , neelam senecha > > > > > > <nsenecha@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > respected A V Pathiji, > > > > > > > namaskar, > > > > > > > thanks for showing interest in answering my queries. > > > > > > > i am sure u have already studied my horoscope.. but i > don't > > > > spend > > > > > > on such things. i believe in helping poor persons or > > renovation > > > > of > > > > > > temples.it reflects in my horoscope. > > > > > > > i have some interest in learning jyotish . that's why i > > gave > > > my > > > > > > queries on this forum. > > > > > > > i think i know me & myself very well.. it will be very > > helpful > > > > in > > > > > > understanding process. > > > > > > > anyway thanks, > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > ns > > > > > > > ------------ --------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > venkatachala pathi <pathiav@> > > > > > > > nsenecha <nsenecha@> > > > > > > > Monday, November 17, 2008 4:44:06 AM > > > > > > > Re: my health > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In case you wish to avail my services, I will be pleased > > > attend > > > > to > > > > > > your requirement. I am in the field for last 46 years (aged > > > 79), > > > > and > > > > > > widely popular in this field around many countries for many > > > > years. > > > > > > Please give me your land line address for my records. My > > > charges > > > > for > > > > > > reading Horoscope is US $ 50/- each, and I will be sending > > > > answers > > > > > > for 4 questions asked by you over e-mail in four days from > > date > > > > of > > > > > > receipt of amount. I will be able to send you the copies of > > > > charts > > > > > > (North indian/South Indian) with Vimshothri Desa detail for > > an > > > > extra > > > > > > charge of US $ 10/- each. On hearing from you. I will > inform > > > you > > > > the > > > > > > mode of remittance. Blessings, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.V.Pathi, > > > > > > > North Carolina, 27514, USA > > > > > > > 001-919-960- 3833 > > > > > > > Please contact me in ID kountinya29@ ) > > > > > > > All private readings are chargeable.Disclaim er > > > > > > > A.V.Pathi and his Astrology Team want to make it > absolutely > > > > clear > > > > > > that no discipline is absolutely perfect. Hence, any > > prediction > > > > that > > > > > > you receive from us is not to be considered as a substitute > > for > > > > > > advice, program, or treatment that you would normally > receive > > > > from a > > > > > > licensed professional such as a lawyer, doctor, > psychiatrist, > > > or > > > > > > financial advisor. A.V.Pathi and his team provide no > > > guarantees, > > > > > > implied warranties, or assurances of any kind, and will not > > be > > > > > > responsible for any interpretation made or use by the > > recipient > > > > of > > > > > > the information and data mentioned above. By the Grace of > God > > > we > > > > can > > > > > > only try to give our best and hope that our efforts will > > > improve > > > > the > > > > > > life of our customers. ~~A.V.Pathi, Astrologer and his > team. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > nsenecha <nsenecha@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, November 1, 2008 10:36:46 PM > > > > > > > my health > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happy diwali to all members. > > > > > > > respected gurujis, > > > > > > > pranam to u all. > > > > > > > i am having many health problems like acute allergies, > > > > > > > hypertension, uterus fibroids [operation > > > recommended] ,fats..can > > > > i > > > > > > get > > > > > > > over them? my DOB=15TH.APRIL1962, POB=MAWANA[ UP], > TOB=22:30 > > > > [+/ - > > > > > > 20MINUTES] . > > > > > > > imp. events in life=marriage in feb.1985,son was born in > > > > > > > jan.1986,right hand & elbow fracture in nov. 1988, > daughter > > in > > > > > > > dec.1989. allergies since childhood[nose > > pollips].controlled > > > in > > > > > > 1984. > > > > > > > but from 8-10 years around again activated along with > above > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > problems. > > > > > > > my husband is a scientist. his DOB=03JULY,1959; > > POB=PRATAPGARH > > > [ > > > > > > RAJ.] > > > > > > > TOB=23:22. > > > > > > > KINDLY explain my horoscope & suggest me something > > > accordingly. > > > > > > > with regards > > > > > > > ns > > > > > > > ------------ ------ > > > > > > > p.s. can i have some knowledge of astrology? > > > > > > > ------------ ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 A very good evening sir & thanks for your views  Sir I want to know at which place are you based If in future I do visit I want to meet you personally Can I have your contact number please  Thanks & regards --- On Fri, 21/11/08, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar Re: Re: my health 20/11 Friday, 21 November, 2008, 5:49 PM Seema pl see my replies to Amrutha, Nikil in this group and in vedic astrology the reply is same in any such case I am not worried if more than one reads a cse in a group as long as it is their own and dont contradict or ridicule others replies but Bhaskar ji from jyotish ganga has a different view he is not comfortable with somone reading a case he has already done a reading for we had a lot of heated exchanges on this in the past 2 yrs in this group i said I have no issues if he or anyone does a reading on a read case by anyone after all we exchange ideas, different views I AM AGAINST PPL posting in too many groups SEE MY VIES AS SAID ON THE 2 CASES I JUST SAID TODAY BTW NOW ME AND bHASKAR HAVE RESOLVED OUR DIFFERENCES SO MUT NOT TAKE it beyond what i meant that past we had huge differences on such cases he had said same now too it is simple give his reading some time to pass and then get back in JG and then ask others as u wish till then give him his due, if u get more answers there or in any one group don't post in others for some time so that other cases also get attention. best wishes prashant I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's OTHER. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 ____________ _________ _________ __ Seema Shukla <seema41064 (AT) (DOT) in> Friday, November 21, 2008 4:29:17 PM Re: Re: my health 20/11 A very good evening sir thanks for the reply But what remarks you will make to the people who are logging different forums till now & they are getting replies Now no one is making a hue & cry now no more slogans of free free free free........ .......... Is this the justice in eyes of the learned people. Regards --- On Thu, 20/11/08, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > wrote: Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > Re: Re: my health 20/11 Thursday, 20 November, 2008, 5:08 PM Seema we have to call a spade as spade no issue, we dont want members to post all over the forums and not care to use the replies effectively and blame astrology as u get good and bad readings which u can use properply if u give time for a few to happen either way before going to seek fresh advice just a s u do with health will u seek all hospitals or just one or tow to verify ur condition and a doctors views and proceed at the earliest on treatment respect astrologers who give u a reading give that its time to perform or fail for u then seek fresh ones if failed but dont forget to give feedback good or bad prashant I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's OTHER. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 ____________ _________ _________ __ Seema Shukla <seema41064@ . in> Thursday, November 20, 2008 6:30:11 PM Re: Re: my health 20/11 a very good evening to allof you few days back when i posted my query there was a lots of debate Afterwards I stopped putting my point of view fine now one of the persons is inquiring in this forum as well as jyotish ganga also .He says he is need ful Now I can say so am I Now can any one preach me & talk about ethics now why there are no arguements & counter arguements Can you people now justify yourself Now I can also request to forward my query Is it so any comments ???????????? ????????? ???? --- On Thu, 20/11/08, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > wrote: Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > Re: Re: my health 20/11 Thursday, 20 November, 2008, 11:24 AM Dear Arjun hi, RRJi, Bhaskar ji, Pathi ji, a few good posts by u all an dI hope a v pathi takes this in th right spirit and continues to guide forum members here with his wosdom, and not take one experience out of proportion and leave us. each one of us have something to give and some thing to gain from one another. above all life is a never ending book with rich experiences good and bad and the pages we fill are there for rest to see. as arjun ji has said I had long ago created the database yellow pages where members can direct qurrents to seek professional help after convincing themselves of a few members reading s here I made a change in the groups home page making this clear too. which RRji said was needed I did this months ago with some much of such heated exerience over the years felt this is a necessity I had checked with the Owner Sri Tanveer ji and got his green signal and did this. what flows from this between 2 people seeking a private interaction/ relationship is not the groups responsiblity is understood as well. as people go there by choice no compulsion. just providing some platform for it. as we don't have the luxury of time or relationships betwen our circles to know who is good in which city this is a global village so we can benefit and and equally help others. Best wishes prashant ____________ _________ _________ __ panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > Thursday, November 20, 2008 2:40:34 PM Re: my health 20/11 dear bhaskarji and other members thanks for your good words. all along i have been treating astrologers akin to doctors, for doctors treat suffering patients to relieve them of their pain and suffering while astrologers find out the planetary and mythical (divine) afflictions and suggest suitable remedies. we find doctors with simple rmp, mbbs, md and other specialisations in each division and then you find small one room clinics to hospitals to polyclinics to superspeciality 5star hospitals which promote even medical tourism. similarly, we have astrologers in the traditional conservative rural areas, small time astrologers with shops in cities, established astrologers with proven testimonials of rich and famous in metros and of course the astrologers with their shops on the net too. suffering natives and querents have an array of astrologers of their choice to choose from, be it locally in their place of living or through an online consultation. sometimes doctors conduct free medical camps etc. similarly there are free astro reading groups on the net where a member is free to ask a free reading in that group. as a contributing astrologer in this group, our job is over once we give our reading. afterwards whether the querent comes back or go to another group is not ur concern. this is similar to a doctor's job getting over after testing the patient and giving his prescription of medicines. whether to buy medicines based on that prescription or visit another doctor and get another prescription, is the intellectual choice and right of the native about which we shall not bother. however, like all personal services in the services sector like doctors and advocates, astrologers too are professionals and there is no wrong in their offering paid professional services which this group moderator has permitted to present in the database section. both astrologers and querents shall treat each other with respect even if it is a free reading or a charity. for example, when devotees set up langars or free food distribution centres at pilgrimage places or elsewhere, they invite the visiting people who take the food with respect and treat them as gods for accepting their food. our scriptures narrate few vratas wherein the person prepares delicious food and offers it to various bhakts and his vrat is complete and he gets the merits and blessings only if the entire cooked food is distributed or consumed by others. if there are no visitors to take the food offered by the person doing the vrata, the vrata is a failure. with such importance given to visitors who are gods in disguise, let us all respect all alike, be it astrologers or querents. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy .com , " Bhaskar " <rajiventerprises@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Pandit ji, > Pranams. > > Your these lines sum it all - > > // on ethical lines, the astrologers are not expected to write to the > private id of the querents offering paid readings or paid remedies, > unless the querent seeks from them speicifcally. // > > // ........and the astrologer's role is only reactive and supportive > in nature, AFTER the querent approach them. // > > Thank You for being straightforward and direct in talking. > > kind regards, > Bhaskar. , " panditarjun2004 " > <panditarjun2004@ > wrote: > > > > dear friends > > > > this thread is going on and on and is confusing the suffering > > querent, answering astrologers and readers alike. > > > > let me give my understanding of how an internet based astrology > group > > functions. > > > > the net based astro group is like a venue where several astrologers > > offer free and/or paid readings, clarify doubts to fellow > > astrologers, share knowledge with astros and querents alike and > other > > related stuff. this particular group jyotish remedies is visited > > mostly by querents who seek free readings or seek free remedies. > > some querents seek professional paid readings and also paid > > remedies. these querents are at liberty to choose their > astrologers > > of choice and seek their personal readings or remedies on the > > astrologers' private mail and the concerned astrologers can offer > or > > decline as per their wish. what transpires outside the group has > > nothing to do with the group. on ethical lines, the astrologers > are > > not expected to write to the private id of the querents offering > paid > > readings or paid remedies, unless the querent seeks from them > > speicifcally. > > > > we find asrologers having shops and websites where they offer their > > paid services. some astrologers put boards outside their homes and > > offer these paid services from thier homes too. in andhra there > is > > a sect of foretellers (thousands in number) called koyadoras who > keep > > on visiting road after road and city after city and state after > state > > offering their predictions and remedies. > > > > my last word on this issue is that astrological consultancy, be it > > free or paid, is a subject matter of solicitation by the querent > and > > the hundred percent preference, choice and right vests with the > > querent and the astrologer's role is only reactive and supportive > in > > nature, AFTER the querent approach them. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji > > > > > > thanks for seeing the subject in the FAIR WAY and my stand so far > > being vindicated here. > > > > > > we have a obligation to be seen as human being not otherwise and > > remember I said all that happens in public our stand must be > > different from private ones, we must say a few words lesse than > ones > > involved in a exchange else importance of them itself is diluted. > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Bhaskar <rajiventerprises@ > > > > > > > Thursday, November 20, 2008 8:26:29 AM > > > Re: my health 20/11 > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelamji, > > > > > > I have written a harsh mail to you, and take my words back, with > a > > > apology. I never realised that the mail sent to you by Pathiji > was > > > sent on his own,and on your personal id, without being requested > > for, > > > by you. > > > > > > I do not endorse such actions. You had the right to reject that > > mail. > > > > > > best wishes, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, > > > > > > > > a well laid out reply I tried the same and did not get the > > expected > > > response not sure how this is seen > > > > > > > > i had said both were wrong and more so a as ualso said aperson > > who > > > is not fully aware of how groups/internet works in this context i > > > said she can be given a benefit of doubt as much as Pathi ji as > > there > > > is nothing wrong in offering private help her major blame lies in > > > posting private mail in public > > > > > > > > and here i said this must be settled mutually by both , both > > taking > > > a public platform and abusing one another and unfortunately it > > became > > > one v/s many for solidarity it is goood but if that also happened > > in > > > public from start some part of it was in private space so they > had > > to > > > go back there resolve it and be back either way > > > > > > > > I feel ur approach is the right one as u still have offred to > > read > > > her case inspite of all that happened we must retain a moral > higher > > > ground than the ones we r advising. > > > > > > > > I had also asked the ones who doubted her to test her > > [hilantrophy > > > side by pointing top some temple or charity and see the action > > and > > > give her the appropriate treatment it is like for a traffic > offence > > > like jumping the signal one gets a life term. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > > > Thursday, November 20, 2008 5:32:41 AM > > > > Re: my health > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelam, > > > > > > > > Thank you for your explanation and giving us all some more > > > > information about why you felt as if your privacy was > encroached > > > upon > > > > by the astrologer who wrote to you privately. > > > > > > > > It is very important for each individual member to note > carefully > > > the > > > > settings and surroundings in any group before joining in. > > > > allows two types of settings, one in which private emails can > be > > > > hidden and the other where this is not the case. Both have > their > > > > positives and negatives, with the former having potentially > more > > > > headaches for the moderators because then anyone can join the > > forum > > > > and post all kinds of stuff. It is sad but my sympathies will > be > > > with > > > > the owner/moderator in this situation. > > > > > > > > People must realize that when someone posts on a forum with > > > thousands > > > > of members, 'privacy' becomes a luxury. This is why many people > > > > prefer paid readings. On a public forum that allows emails to > be > > > > displayed or allows the 'email' option, the given understanding > > is > > > > that anyone can approach you through that portal. If the offer > > was > > > > irrelevant and inflammatory, I would be siding with you but > since > > > in > > > > this case you had requested astrological help and had not > > indicated > > > > that you do not wish to receive private offers for reading, for > > > which > > > > the onus was on you, I see no blame should be put on Mr. Pathi > > who > > > > had simply offered you with his astrological service. If he had > > > been > > > > pestering you with emails or so on, then you could have > > complained. > > > > > > > > In this case, simply put, you acted in bad faith and with > unclear > > > > knowledge of where you were posting your request which you > wished > > > to > > > > remain free but private, Mr. Pathi and not you is the injured > > party! > > > > > > > > Please note that I do not know Mr. Pathi from Adam but I do not > > see > > > > what wrong he did if all he did was send you ONE EMAIL offering > > his > > > > astrological services. > > > > > > > > You or anyone else may disagree with me but what is right is > > right! > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > , " nsenecha " > > <nsenecha@ .> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > respected sir, > > > > > pranam. > > > > > sir, it is my polite request. plz. don't take it the other > way. > > > > > > > > > > yes, it is true, it was a personal email but my id was taken > > from > > > > the > > > > > public forum. i was not knowing that he is allowed to send > > private > > > > > emails like this. i thought he should send it publicly. > > > > > i am not sorry for that. > > > > > > > > > > sir, you have the right to question my intentions for asking > > > > questions > > > > > here. i simply asked.if replied, thanked. if i wanted to know > > > more, > > > > > requested again politely. not answered. no problem. you can > > > confirm > > > > > this from forum itself. i never abused anyone & not replied > the > > > > person > > > > > in his language who abused me publicly. i never complained. > all > > > > > persons are different. we have to maintain our line. > > > > > > > > > > only thing i want to say is= if we trust you [ or your forum] > > and > > > > give > > > > > our personal details on public forum, no member should offer > > > > privately > > > > > . if he wants to help or give some offer for help, should > give > > > here > > > > in > > > > > this forum only. > > > > > > > > > > sir, you tried to convince me like some elderly family > member. > > it > > > is > > > > > my privilege. but to share my feelings with you is my right. > > > > > plz. this time do not question my intentions. i may be wrong. > > you > > > > can > > > > > point out my mistakes. > > > > > > > > > > i am happy to be a silent reader since last few days. i can > > learn > > > > this > > > > > way also. > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > ns > > > > > ---- > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > > > > <rohini_ranjan@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelam, > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps you do not realize but you have posted in public > > forum > > > > Mr. > > > > > > Pathi's private message quoting his fees! That is not > > > appropriate. > > > > > > > > > > > > This forum allows individuals to send private emails to > > > posters, > > > > but > > > > > > the posters then should not post such emails on the public > > > forum > > > > for > > > > > > obvious reasons. > > > > > > > > > > > > And this is not something that happens automatically as in > > > > pressing > > > > > > the replying to sender button etc. from your emailer. You > > would > > > > have > > > > > > to do some copying and pasting and so on. > > > > > > > > > > > > At first I thought Mr. Pathi posted the promotional message > > on > > > > open > > > > > > forum but then it seems that he sent a private email to > you. > > > You > > > > had > > > > > > the right to refuse his advances but it should have been > done > > > > > > privately and not in this manner. > > > > > > > > > > > > It makes one question your intentions for posting your > > original > > > > > > request on the public forum :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > It is a known fact that astrologers charge for readings and > > > many > > > > do > > > > > > not wish to pay them for their services. This is a clear > > > example > > > > of > > > > > > what we were discussing a few days ago. In this case, > > obviously > > > > the > > > > > > intentions of the reading requester are questionable! > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , neelam senecha > > > > > > <nsenecha@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > respected A V Pathiji, > > > > > > > namaskar, > > > > > > > thanks for showing interest in answering my queries. > > > > > > > i am sure u have already studied my horoscope. but i > don't > > > > spend > > > > > > on such things. i believe in helping poor persons or > > renovation > > > > of > > > > > > temples.it reflects in my horoscope. > > > > > > > i have some interest in learning jyotish . that's why i > > gave > > > my > > > > > > queries on this forum. > > > > > > > i think i know me & myself very well. it will be very > > helpful > > > > in > > > > > > understanding process. > > > > > > > anyway thanks, > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > ns > > > > > > > ------------ --------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > venkatachala pathi <pathiav@> > > > > > > > nsenecha <nsenecha@> > > > > > > > Monday, November 17, 2008 4:44:06 AM > > > > > > > Re: my health > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In case you wish to avail my services, I will be pleased > > > attend > > > > to > > > > > > your requirement. I am in the field for last 46 years (aged > > > 79), > > > > and > > > > > > widely popular in this field around many countries for many > > > > years. > > > > > > Please give me your land line address for my records. My > > > charges > > > > for > > > > > > reading Horoscope is US $ 50/- each, and I will be sending > > > > answers > > > > > > for 4 questions asked by you over e-mail in four days from > > date > > > > of > > > > > > receipt of amount. I will be able to send you the copies of > > > > charts > > > > > > (North indian/South Indian) with Vimshothri Desa detail for > > an > > > > extra > > > > > > charge of US $ 10/- each. On hearing from you. I will > inform > > > you > > > > the > > > > > > mode of remittance. Blessings, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.V.Pathi, > > > > > > > North Carolina, 27514, USA > > > > > > > 001-919-960- 3833 > > > > > > > Please contact me in ID kountinya29@ ) > > > > > > > All private readings are chargeable.Disclaim er > > > > > > > A.V.Pathi and his Astrology Team want to make it > absolutely > > > > clear > > > > > > that no discipline is absolutely perfect. Hence, any > > prediction > > > > that > > > > > > you receive from us is not to be considered as a substitute > > for > > > > > > advice, program, or treatment that you would normally > receive > > > > from a > > > > > > licensed professional such as a lawyer, doctor, > psychiatrist, > > > or > > > > > > financial advisor. A.V.Pathi and his team provide no > > > guarantees, > > > > > > implied warranties, or assurances of any kind, and will not > > be > > > > > > responsible for any interpretation made or use by the > > recipient > > > > of > > > > > > the information and data mentioned above. By the Grace of > God > > > we > > > > can > > > > > > only try to give our best and hope that our efforts will > > > improve > > > > the > > > > > > life of our customers. ~~A.V.Pathi, Astrologer and his > team. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > nsenecha <nsenecha@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, November 1, 2008 10:36:46 PM > > > > > > > my health > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happy diwali to all members. > > > > > > > respected gurujis, > > > > > > > pranam to u all. > > > > > > > i am having many health problems like acute allergies, > > > > > > > hypertension, uterus fibroids [operation > > > recommended] ,fats.can > > > > i > > > > > > get > > > > > > > over them? my DOB=15TH.APRIL1962, POB=MAWANA[ UP], > TOB=22:30 > > > > [+/ - > > > > > > 20MINUTES] . > > > > > > > imp. events in life=marriage in feb.1985,son was born in > > > > > > > jan.1986,right hand & elbow fracture in nov. 1988, > daughter > > in > > > > > > > dec.1989. allergies since childhood[nose > > pollips].controlled > > > in > > > > > > 1984. > > > > > > > but from 8-10 years around again activated along with > above > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > problems. > > > > > > > my husband is a scientist. his DOB=03JULY,1959; > > POB=PRATAPGARH > > > [ > > > > > > RAJ.] > > > > > > > TOB=23:22. > > > > > > > KINDLY explain my horoscope & suggest me something > > > accordingly. > > > > > > > with regards > > > > > > > ns > > > > > > > ------------ ------ > > > > > > > p.s. can i have some knowledge of astrology? > > > > > > > ------------ ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 Dear Prashant ji, I would like to clear this. I do not have any personal discomfort in anybody answering a query already answered by me, but I just have a desire for all the members of th astrological community to not re-read and spend time and energies on what has already been done by one of their community member. I just have this issue , which of course I cannot force upon anyone, but as a a duty I inform all that " This person has been answered by me " . It is of course not mandatory for any one not to reply the member agan, and anyone is free to do so. But i would like to end this mail with a note, that unless we astrologers inform each other and do not respect the others readings, it will become a free for all, with the public taking advantage of each astrologers, and none of the astrologer would have served his purpose of either helping a native, or else impressing a prospective client. We would only be crushed again and again and used and capitalised by these who tak a bowl to each and every group begging for alms. Bhaskar. , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: > > Seema > > pl see my replies to Amrutha, Nikil in this group and in vedic astrology > > the reply is same in any such case I am not worried if more than one reads a cse in a group as long as it is their own and dont contradict or ridicule others replies > > but Bhaskar ji from jyotish ganga has a different view he is not comfortable with somone reading a case he has already done a reading for > > we had a lot of heated exchanges on this in the past 2 yrs in this group i said I have no issues if he or anyone does a reading on a read case by anyone after all we exchange ideas, different views > > I AM AGAINST PPL posting in too many groups SEE MY VIES AS SAID ON THE 2 CASES I JUST SAID TODAY > > BTW NOW ME AND bHASKAR HAVE RESOLVED OUR DIFFERENCES SO MUT NOT TAKE it beyond what i meant > > that past we had huge differences on such cases > he had said same now too > > it is simple give his reading some time to pass and then get back in JG and then ask others as u wish till then give him his due, if u get more answers there or in any one group don't post in others for some time so that other cases also get attention. > > best wishes > > prashant > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's OTHER. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > /database?method=reportRow\ s & tbl=6 > > > > > > ________________________________ > Seema Shukla seema41064 > > Friday, November 21, 2008 4:29:17 PM > Re: Re: my health 20/11 > > > A very good evening sir > thanks for the reply But what remarks you will make to the people who are logging different forums till now & they are getting replies Now no one is making a hue & cry now no more slogans of free free free free........ ......... Is this the justice in eyes of the learned people. > Regards > > --- On Thu, 20/11/08, Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar > wrote: > > Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar > > Re: Re: my health 20/11 > > Thursday, 20 November, 2008, 5:08 PM > > Seema > > we have to call a spade as spade no issue, we dont want members to post all over the forums and not care to use the replies effectively and blame astrology as u get good and bad readings which u can use properply if u give time for a few to happen either way before going to seek fresh advice > > just a s u do with health will u seek all hospitals or just one or tow to verify ur condition and a doctors views and proceed at the earliest on treatment respect astrologers who give u a reading give that its time to perform or fail for u then seek fresh ones if failed > > but dont forget to give feedback good or bad > > prashant > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's OTHER. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Seema Shukla <seema41064@ . in> > > Thursday, November 20, 2008 6:30:11 PM > Re: Re: my health 20/11 > > a very good evening to allof you > few days back when i posted my query there was a lots of debate Afterwards I stopped putting my point of view fine now one of the persons is inquiring in this forum as well as jyotish ganga also .He says he is need ful Now I can say so am I Now can any one preach me & talk about ethics now why there are no arguements & counter arguements Can you people now justify yourself Now I can also request to forward my query Is it so any comments ???????????? ????????? ???? > > --- On Thu, 20/11/08, Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar > wrote: > > Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar > > Re: Re: my health 20/11 > > Thursday, 20 November, 2008, 11:24 AM > > Dear Arjun hi, RRJi, Bhaskar ji, Pathi ji, > > a few good posts by u all an dI hope a v pathi takes this in th right spirit and continues to guide forum members here with his wosdom, and not take one experience out of proportion and leave us. each one of us have something to give and some thing to gain from one another. above all life is a never ending book with rich experiences good and bad and the pages we fill are there for rest to see. > > as arjun ji has said I had long ago created the database yellow pages where members can direct qurrents to seek professional help after convincing themselves of a few members reading s here > > I made a change in the groups home page making this clear too. which RRji said was needed I did this months ago with some much of such heated exerience over the years felt this is a necessity I had checked with the Owner Sri Tanveer ji and got his green signal and did this. > > what flows from this between 2 people seeking a private interaction/ relationship is not the groups responsiblity is understood as well. as people go there by choice no compulsion. just providing some platform for it. as we don't have the luxury of time or relationships betwen our circles to know who is good in which city this is a global village so we can benefit and and equally help others. > > Best wishes > > prashant > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > > > Thursday, November 20, 2008 2:40:34 PM > Re: my health 20/11 > > dear bhaskarji and other members > > thanks for your good words. all along i have been treating > astrologers akin to doctors, for doctors treat suffering patients to > relieve them of their pain and suffering while astrologers find out > the planetary and mythical (divine) afflictions and suggest suitable > remedies. > > we find doctors with simple rmp, mbbs, md and other specialisations > in each division and then you find small one room clinics to > hospitals to polyclinics to superspeciality 5star hospitals which > promote even medical tourism. > > similarly, we have astrologers in the traditional conservative rural > areas, small time astrologers with shops in cities, established > astrologers with proven testimonials of rich and famous in metros and > of course the astrologers with their shops on the net too. > > suffering natives and querents have an array of astrologers of their > choice to choose from, be it locally in their place of living or > through an online consultation. > > sometimes doctors conduct free medical camps etc. similarly there > are free astro reading groups on the net where a member is free to > ask a free reading in that group. as a contributing astrologer in > this group, our job is over once we give our reading. afterwards > whether the querent comes back or go to another group is not ur > concern. this is similar to a doctor's job getting over after > testing the patient and giving his prescription of medicines. > whether to buy medicines based on that prescription or visit another > doctor and get another prescription, is the intellectual choice and > right of the native about which we shall not bother. > > however, like all personal services in the services sector like > doctors and advocates, astrologers too are professionals and there is > no wrong in their offering paid professional services which this > group moderator has permitted to present in the database section. > > both astrologers and querents shall treat each other with respect > even if it is a free reading or a charity. for example, when > devotees set up langars or free food distribution centres at > pilgrimage places or elsewhere, they invite the visiting people who > take the food with respect and treat them as gods for accepting their > food. our scriptures narrate few vratas wherein the person prepares > delicious food and offers it to various bhakts and his vrat is > complete and he gets the merits and blessings only if the entire > cooked food is distributed or consumed by others. if there are no > visitors to take the food offered by the person doing the vrata, the > vrata is a failure. with such importance given to visitors who are > gods in disguise, let us all respect all alike, be it astrologers or > querents. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > , " Bhaskar " > <rajiventerprises@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Pandit ji, > > Pranams. > > > > Your these lines sum it all - > > > > // on ethical lines, the astrologers are not expected to write to > the > > private id of the querents offering paid readings or paid remedies, > > unless the querent seeks from them speicifcally. // > > > > // ........and the astrologer's role is only reactive and > supportive > > in nature, AFTER the querent approach them. // > > > > Thank You for being straightforward and direct in talking. > > > > kind regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " panditarjun2004 " > > <panditarjun2004@ > wrote: > > > > > > dear friends > > > > > > this thread is going on and on and is confusing the suffering > > > querent, answering astrologers and readers alike. > > > > > > let me give my understanding of how an internet based astrology > > group > > > functions. > > > > > > the net based astro group is like a venue where several > astrologers > > > offer free and/or paid readings, clarify doubts to fellow > > > astrologers, share knowledge with astros and querents alike and > > other > > > related stuff. this particular group jyotish remedies is visited > > > mostly by querents who seek free readings or seek free remedies. > > > some querents seek professional paid readings and also paid > > > remedies. these querents are at liberty to choose their > > astrologers > > > of choice and seek their personal readings or remedies on the > > > astrologers' private mail and the concerned astrologers can offer > > or > > > decline as per their wish. what transpires outside the group has > > > nothing to do with the group. on ethical lines, the astrologers > > are > > > not expected to write to the private id of the querents offering > > paid > > > readings or paid remedies, unless the querent seeks from them > > > speicifcally. > > > > > > we find asrologers having shops and websites where they offer > their > > > paid services. some astrologers put boards outside their homes > and > > > offer these paid services from thier homes too. in andhra there > > is > > > a sect of foretellers (thousands in number) called koyadoras who > > keep > > > on visiting road after road and city after city and state after > > state > > > offering their predictions and remedies. > > > > > > my last word on this issue is that astrological consultancy, be > it > > > free or paid, is a subject matter of solicitation by the querent > > and > > > the hundred percent preference, choice and right vests with the > > > querent and the astrologer's role is only reactive and supportive > > in > > > nature, AFTER the querent approach them. > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > pandit arjun > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji > > > > > > > > thanks for seeing the subject in the FAIR WAY and my stand so > far > > > being vindicated here. > > > > > > > > we have a obligation to be seen as human being not otherwise > and > > > remember I said all that happens in public our stand must be > > > different from private ones, we must say a few words lesse than > > ones > > > involved in a exchange else importance of them itself is diluted. > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Bhaskar <rajiventerprises@ > > > > > > > > > Thursday, November 20, 2008 8:26:29 AM > > > > Re: my health 20/11 > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelamji, > > > > > > > > I have written a harsh mail to you, and take my words back, > with > > a > > > > apology. I never realised that the mail sent to you by Pathiji > > was > > > > sent on his own,and on your personal id, without being > requested > > > for, > > > > by you. > > > > > > > > I do not endorse such actions. You had the right to reject that > > > mail. > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > > <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, > > > > > > > > > > a well laid out reply I tried the same and did not get the > > > expected > > > > response not sure how this is seen > > > > > > > > > > i had said both were wrong and more so a as ualso said > aperson > > > who > > > > is not fully aware of how groups/internet works in this context > i > > > > said she can be given a benefit of doubt as much as Pathi ji as > > > there > > > > is nothing wrong in offering private help her major blame lies > in > > > > posting private mail in public > > > > > > > > > > and here i said this must be settled mutually by both , both > > > taking > > > > a public platform and abusing one another and unfortunately it > > > became > > > > one v/s many for solidarity it is goood but if that also > happened > > > in > > > > public from start some part of it was in private space so they > > had > > > to > > > > go back there resolve it and be back either way > > > > > > > > > > I feel ur approach is the right one as u still have offred to > > > read > > > > her case inspite of all that happened we must retain a moral > > higher > > > > ground than the ones we r advising. > > > > > > > > > > I had also asked the ones who doubted her to test her > > > [hilantrophy > > > > side by pointing top some temple or charity and see the > action > > > and > > > > give her the appropriate treatment it is like for a traffic > > offence > > > > like jumping the signal one gets a life term. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, November 20, 2008 5:32:41 AM > > > > > Re: my health > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelam, > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for your explanation and giving us all some more > > > > > information about why you felt as if your privacy was > > encroached > > > > upon > > > > > by the astrologer who wrote to you privately. > > > > > > > > > > It is very important for each individual member to note > > carefully > > > > the > > > > > settings and surroundings in any group before joining in. > > > > > > allows two types of settings, one in which private emails can > > be > > > > > hidden and the other where this is not the case. Both have > > their > > > > > positives and negatives, with the former having potentially > > more > > > > > headaches for the moderators because then anyone can join the > > > forum > > > > > and post all kinds of stuff. It is sad but my sympathies will > > be > > > > with > > > > > the owner/moderator in this situation. > > > > > > > > > > People must realize that when someone posts on a forum with > > > > thousands > > > > > of members, 'privacy' becomes a luxury. This is why many > people > > > > > prefer paid readings. On a public forum that allows emails to > > be > > > > > displayed or allows the 'email' option, the given > understanding > > > is > > > > > that anyone can approach you through that portal. If the > offer > > > was > > > > > irrelevant and inflammatory, I would be siding with you but > > since > > > > in > > > > > this case you had requested astrological help and had not > > > indicated > > > > > that you do not wish to receive private offers for reading, > for > > > > which > > > > > the onus was on you, I see no blame should be put on Mr. > Pathi > > > who > > > > > had simply offered you with his astrological service. If he > had > > > > been > > > > > pestering you with emails or so on, then you could have > > > complained. > > > > > > > > > > In this case, simply put, you acted in bad faith and with > > unclear > > > > > knowledge of where you were posting your request which you > > wished > > > > to > > > > > remain free but private, Mr. Pathi and not you is the injured > > > party! > > > > > > > > > > Please note that I do not know Mr. Pathi from Adam but I do > not > > > see > > > > > what wrong he did if all he did was send you ONE EMAIL > offering > > > his > > > > > astrological services. > > > > > > > > > > You or anyone else may disagree with me but what is right is > > > right! > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > , " nsenecha " > > > <nsenecha@ .> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > respected sir, > > > > > > pranam. > > > > > > sir, it is my polite request. plz. don't take it the other > > way. > > > > > > > > > > > > yes, it is true, it was a personal email but my id was > taken > > > from > > > > > the > > > > > > public forum. i was not knowing that he is allowed to send > > > private > > > > > > emails like this. i thought he should send it publicly. > > > > > > i am not sorry for that. > > > > > > > > > > > > sir, you have the right to question my intentions for > asking > > > > > questions > > > > > > here. i simply asked.if replied, thanked. if i wanted to > know > > > > more, > > > > > > requested again politely. not answered. no problem. you can > > > > confirm > > > > > > this from forum itself. i never abused anyone & not replied > > the > > > > > person > > > > > > in his language who abused me publicly. i never > complained. > > all > > > > > > persons are different. we have to maintain our line. > > > > > > > > > > > > only thing i want to say is= if we trust you [ or your > forum] > > > and > > > > > give > > > > > > our personal details on public forum, no member should > offer > > > > > privately > > > > > > . if he wants to help or give some offer for help, should > > give > > > > here > > > > > in > > > > > > this forum only. > > > > > > > > > > > > sir, you tried to convince me like some elderly family > > member. > > > it > > > > is > > > > > > my privilege. but to share my feelings with you is my right. > > > > > > plz. this time do not question my intentions. i may be > wrong. > > > you > > > > > can > > > > > > point out my mistakes. > > > > > > > > > > > > i am happy to be a silent reader since last few days. i can > > > learn > > > > > this > > > > > > way also. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > ns > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > > > > > <rohini_ranjan@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelam, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps you do not realize but you have posted in public > > > forum > > > > > Mr. > > > > > > > Pathi's private message quoting his fees! That is not > > > > appropriate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This forum allows individuals to send private emails to > > > > posters, > > > > > but > > > > > > > the posters then should not post such emails on the > public > > > > forum > > > > > for > > > > > > > obvious reasons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And this is not something that happens automatically as > in > > > > > pressing > > > > > > > the replying to sender button etc. from your emailer. You > > > would > > > > > have > > > > > > > to do some copying and pasting and so on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At first I thought Mr. Pathi posted the promotional > message > > > on > > > > > open > > > > > > > forum but then it seems that he sent a private email to > > you. > > > > You > > > > > had > > > > > > > the right to refuse his advances but it should have been > > done > > > > > > > privately and not in this manner. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It makes one question your intentions for posting your > > > original > > > > > > > request on the public forum :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is a known fact that astrologers charge for readings > and > > > > many > > > > > do > > > > > > > not wish to pay them for their services. This is a clear > > > > example > > > > > of > > > > > > > what we were discussing a few days ago. In this case, > > > obviously > > > > > the > > > > > > > intentions of the reading requester are questionable! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , neelam senecha > > > > > > > <nsenecha@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > respected A V Pathiji, > > > > > > > > namaskar, > > > > > > > > thanks for showing interest in answering my queries. > > > > > > > > i am sure u have already studied my horoscope. but i > > don't > > > > > spend > > > > > > > on such things. i believe in helping poor persons or > > > renovation > > > > > of > > > > > > > temples.it reflects in my horoscope. > > > > > > > > i have some interest in learning jyotish . that's why i > > > gave > > > > my > > > > > > > queries on this forum. > > > > > > > > i think i know me & myself very well. it will be very > > > helpful > > > > > in > > > > > > > understanding process. > > > > > > > > anyway thanks, > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > ns > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > venkatachala pathi <pathiav@> > > > > > > > > nsenecha <nsenecha@> > > > > > > > > Monday, November 17, 2008 4:44:06 AM > > > > > > > > Re: my health > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In case you wish to avail my services, I will be > pleased > > > > attend > > > > > to > > > > > > > your requirement. I am in the field for last 46 years > (aged > > > > 79), > > > > > and > > > > > > > widely popular in this field around many countries for > many > > > > > years. > > > > > > > Please give me your land line address for my records. My > > > > charges > > > > > for > > > > > > > reading Horoscope is US $ 50/- each, and I will be > sending > > > > > answers > > > > > > > for 4 questions asked by you over e-mail in four days > from > > > date > > > > > of > > > > > > > receipt of amount. I will be able to send you the copies > of > > > > > charts > > > > > > > (North indian/South Indian) with Vimshothri Desa detail > for > > > an > > > > > extra > > > > > > > charge of US $ 10/- each. On hearing from you. I will > > inform > > > > you > > > > > the > > > > > > > mode of remittance. Blessings, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.V.Pathi, > > > > > > > > North Carolina, 27514, USA > > > > > > > > 001-919-960- 3833 > > > > > > > > Please contact me in ID kountinya29@ ) > > > > > > > > All private readings are chargeable.Disclaim er > > > > > > > > A.V.Pathi and his Astrology Team want to make it > > absolutely > > > > > clear > > > > > > > that no discipline is absolutely perfect. Hence, any > > > prediction > > > > > that > > > > > > > you receive from us is not to be considered as a > substitute > > > for > > > > > > > advice, program, or treatment that you would normally > > receive > > > > > from a > > > > > > > licensed professional such as a lawyer, doctor, > > psychiatrist, > > > > or > > > > > > > financial advisor. A.V.Pathi and his team provide no > > > > guarantees, > > > > > > > implied warranties, or assurances of any kind, and will > not > > > be > > > > > > > responsible for any interpretation made or use by the > > > recipient > > > > > of > > > > > > > the information and data mentioned above. By the Grace of > > God > > > > we > > > > > can > > > > > > > only try to give our best and hope that our efforts will > > > > improve > > > > > the > > > > > > > life of our customers. ~~A.V.Pathi, Astrologer and his > > team. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > nsenecha <nsenecha@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, November 1, 2008 10:36:46 PM > > > > > > > > my health > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happy diwali to all members. > > > > > > > > respected gurujis, > > > > > > > > pranam to u all. > > > > > > > > i am having many health problems like acute allergies, > > > > > > > > hypertension, uterus fibroids [operation > > > > recommended] ,fats.can > > > > > i > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > over them? my DOB=15TH.APRIL1962, POB=MAWANA[ UP], > > TOB=22:30 > > > > > [+/ - > > > > > > > 20MINUTES] . > > > > > > > > imp. events in life=marriage in feb.1985,son was born in > > > > > > > > jan.1986,right hand & elbow fracture in nov. 1988, > > daughter > > > in > > > > > > > > dec.1989. allergies since childhood[nose > > > pollips].controlled > > > > in > > > > > > > 1984. > > > > > > > > but from 8-10 years around again activated along with > > above > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > problems. > > > > > > > > my husband is a scientist. his DOB=03JULY,1959; > > > POB=PRATAPGARH > > > > [ > > > > > > > RAJ.] > > > > > > > > TOB=23:22. > > > > > > > > KINDLY explain my horoscope & suggest me something > > > > accordingly. > > > > > > > > with regards > > > > > > > > ns > > > > > > > > ------------ ------ > > > > > > > > p.s. can i have some knowledge of astrology? > > > > > > > > ------------ ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 Dear Venkata Sai, Since you *felt* that it could have been you, as you stated, why not state what your experience has been and let us all learn from your experience? After all, you did care to respond...! RR , Venkata Sai <vvrsai51 wrote: > > Dear Sri PrasanthJi > I trust this mail finds you in good health. > Yesterday I sent a mail to Ms.Seema Sukla to know whether the reference of a person in her mail --------- " ...... now one of the persons is inquiring in this forum as well as jyotish ganga also " is a reference to me, since in my reply to BhaskarJi's mail in this Forum I made a reference to Mr.Bhaskar and jyotishganga " > I have not received any reply on this . > Since you have replied to her mail to which I refered to above , I will be glad if if you can let me know . > if the reference is to me .If so I have something to say and if it is not Me then it is fine . > I am extreemly sorry for troubling you on this. > > With Best Regards > Sai > > > > > ________________________________ > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > > Thursday, November 20, 2008 10:38:26 PM > Re: Re: my health 20/11 > > > Seema > > we have to call a spade as spade no issue, we dont want members to post all over the forums and not care to use the replies effectively and blame astrology as u get good and bad readings which u can use properply if u give time for a few to happen either way before going to seek fresh advice > > just a s u do with health will u seek all hospitals or just one or tow to verify ur condition and a doctors views and proceed at the earliest on treatment respect astrologers who give u a reading give that its time to perform or fail for u then seek fresh ones if failed > > but dont forget to give feedback good or bad > > prashant > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's OTHER. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Seema Shukla <seema41064 (AT) (DOT) in> > > Thursday, November 20, 2008 6:30:11 PM > Re: Re: my health 20/11 > > a very good evening to allof you > few days back when i posted my query there was a lots of debate Afterwards I stopped putting my point of view fine now one of the persons is inquiring in this forum as well as jyotish ganga also .He says he is need ful Now I can say so am I Now can any one preach me & talk about ethics now why there are no arguements & counter arguements Can you people now justify yourself Now I can also request to forward my query Is it so any comments ???????????? ????????? ???? > > --- On Thu, 20/11/08, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > wrote: > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > > Re: Re: my health 20/11 > > Thursday, 20 November, 2008, 11:24 AM > > Dear Arjun hi, RRJi, Bhaskar ji, Pathi ji, > > a few good posts by u all an dI hope a v pathi takes this in th right spirit and continues to guide forum members here with his wosdom, and not take one experience out of proportion and leave us. each one of us have something to give and some thing to gain from one another. above all life is a never ending book with rich experiences good and bad and the pages we fill are there for rest to see. > > as arjun ji has said I had long ago created the database yellow pages where members can direct qurrents to seek professional help after convincing themselves of a few members reading s here > > I made a change in the groups home page making this clear too. which RRji said was needed I did this months ago with some much of such heated exerience over the years felt this is a necessity I had checked with the Owner Sri Tanveer ji and got his green signal and did this. > > what flows from this between 2 people seeking a private interaction/ relationship is not the groups responsiblity is understood as well. as people go there by choice no compulsion. just providing some platform for it. as we don't have the luxury of time or relationships betwen our circles to know who is good in which city this is a global village so we can benefit and and equally help others. > > Best wishes > > prashant > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > > > Thursday, November 20, 2008 2:40:34 PM > Re: my health 20/11 > > dear bhaskarji and other members > > thanks for your good words. all along i have been treating > astrologers akin to doctors, for doctors treat suffering patients to > relieve them of their pain and suffering while astrologers find out > the planetary and mythical (divine) afflictions and suggest suitable > remedies. > > we find doctors with simple rmp, mbbs, md and other specialisations > in each division and then you find small one room clinics to > hospitals to polyclinics to superspeciality 5star hospitals which > promote even medical tourism. > > similarly, we have astrologers in the traditional conservative rural > areas, small time astrologers with shops in cities, established > astrologers with proven testimonials of rich and famous in metros and > of course the astrologers with their shops on the net too. > > suffering natives and querents have an array of astrologers of their > choice to choose from, be it locally in their place of living or > through an online consultation. > > sometimes doctors conduct free medical camps etc. similarly there > are free astro reading groups on the net where a member is free to > ask a free reading in that group. as a contributing astrologer in > this group, our job is over once we give our reading. afterwards > whether the querent comes back or go to another group is not ur > concern. this is similar to a doctor's job getting over after > testing the patient and giving his prescription of medicines. > whether to buy medicines based on that prescription or visit another > doctor and get another prescription, is the intellectual choice and > right of the native about which we shall not bother. > > however, like all personal services in the services sector like > doctors and advocates, astrologers too are professionals and there is > no wrong in their offering paid professional services which this > group moderator has permitted to present in the database section. > > both astrologers and querents shall treat each other with respect > even if it is a free reading or a charity.. for example, when > devotees set up langars or free food distribution centres at > pilgrimage places or elsewhere, they invite the visiting people who > take the food with respect and treat them as gods for accepting their > food. our scriptures narrate few vratas wherein the person prepares > delicious food and offers it to various bhakts and his vrat is > complete and he gets the merits and blessings only if the entire > cooked food is distributed or consumed by others. if there are no > visitors to take the food offered by the person doing the vrata, the > vrata is a failure. with such importance given to visitors who are > gods in disguise, let us all respect all alike, be it astrologers or > querents. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > , " Bhaskar " > <rajiventerprises@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Pandit ji, > > Pranams. > > > > Your these lines sum it all - > > > > // on ethical lines, the astrologers are not expected to write to > the > > private id of the querents offering paid readings or paid remedies, > > unless the querent seeks from them speicifcally. // > > > > // ........and the astrologer's role is only reactive and > supportive > > in nature, AFTER the querent approach them. // > > > > Thank You for being straightforward and direct in talking. > > > > kind regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " panditarjun2004 " > > <panditarjun2004@ > wrote: > > > > > > dear friends > > > > > > this thread is going on and on and is confusing the suffering > > > querent, answering astrologers and readers alike. > > > > > > let me give my understanding of how an internet based astrology > > group > > > functions. > > > > > > the net based astro group is like a venue where several > astrologers > > > offer free and/or paid readings, clarify doubts to fellow > > > astrologers, share knowledge with astros and querents alike and > > other > > > related stuff. this particular group jyotish remedies is visited > > > mostly by querents who seek free readings or seek free remedies. > > > some querents seek professional paid readings and also paid > > > remedies. these querents are at liberty to choose their > > astrologers > > > of choice and seek their personal readings or remedies on the > > > astrologers' private mail and the concerned astrologers can offer > > or > > > decline as per their wish. what transpires outside the group has > > > nothing to do with the group. on ethical lines, the astrologers > > are > > > not expected to write to the private id of the querents offering > > paid > > > readings or paid remedies, unless the querent seeks from them > > > speicifcally. > > > > > > we find asrologers having shops and websites where they offer > their > > > paid services. some astrologers put boards outside their homes > and > > > offer these paid services from thier homes too. in andhra there > > is > > > a sect of foretellers (thousands in number) called koyadoras who > > keep > > > on visiting road after road and city after city and state after > > state > > > offering their predictions and remedies. > > > > > > my last word on this issue is that astrological consultancy, be > it > > > free or paid, is a subject matter of solicitation by the querent > > and > > > the hundred percent preference, choice and right vests with the > > > querent and the astrologer's role is only reactive and supportive > > in > > > nature, AFTER the querent approach them. > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > pandit arjun > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji > > > > > > > > thanks for seeing the subject in the FAIR WAY and my stand so > far > > > being vindicated here. > > > > > > > > we have a obligation to be seen as human being not otherwise > and > > > remember I said all that happens in public our stand must be > > > different from private ones, we must say a few words lesse than > > ones > > > involved in a exchange else importance of them itself is diluted. > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Bhaskar <rajiventerprises@ > > > > > > > > > Thursday, November 20, 2008 8:26:29 AM > > > > Re: my health 20/11 > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelamji, > > > > > > > > I have written a harsh mail to you, and take my words back, > with > > a > > > > apology. I never realised that the mail sent to you by Pathiji > > was > > > > sent on his own,and on your personal id, without being > requested > > > for, > > > > by you. > > > > > > > > I do not endorse such actions. You had the right to reject that > > > mail. > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > > <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, > > > > > > > > > > a well laid out reply I tried the same and did not get the > > > expected > > > > response not sure how this is seen > > > > > > > > > > i had said both were wrong and more so a as ualso said > aperson > > > who > > > > is not fully aware of how groups/internet works in this context > i > > > > said she can be given a benefit of doubt as much as Pathi ji as > > > there > > > > is nothing wrong in offering private help her major blame lies > in > > > > posting private mail in public > > > > > > > > > > and here i said this must be settled mutually by both , both > > > taking > > > > a public platform and abusing one another and unfortunately it > > > became > > > > one v/s many for solidarity it is goood but if that also > happened > > > in > > > > public from start some part of it was in private space so they > > had > > > to > > > > go back there resolve it and be back either way > > > > > > > > > > I feel ur approach is the right one as u still have offred to > > > read > > > > her case inspite of all that happened we must retain a moral > > higher > > > > ground than the ones we r advising. > > > > > > > > > > I had also asked the ones who doubted her to test her > > > [hilantrophy > > > > side by pointing top some temple or charity and see the > action > > > and > > > > give her the appropriate treatment it is like for a traffic > > offence > > > > like jumping the signal one gets a life term. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, November 20, 2008 5:32:41 AM > > > > > Re: my health > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelam, > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for your explanation and giving us all some more > > > > > information about why you felt as if your privacy was > > encroached > > > > upon > > > > > by the astrologer who wrote to you privately. > > > > > > > > > > It is very important for each individual member to note > > carefully > > > > the > > > > > settings and surroundings in any group before joining in. > > > > > > allows two types of settings, one in which private emails can > > be > > > > > hidden and the other where this is not the case. Both have > > their > > > > > positives and negatives, with the former having potentially > > more > > > > > headaches for the moderators because then anyone can join the > > > forum > > > > > and post all kinds of stuff. It is sad but my sympathies will > > be > > > > with > > > > > the owner/moderator in this situation. > > > > > > > > > > People must realize that when someone posts on a forum with > > > > thousands > > > > > of members, 'privacy' becomes a luxury. This is why many > people > > > > > prefer paid readings. On a public forum that allows emails to > > be > > > > > displayed or allows the 'email' option, the given > understanding > > > is > > > > > that anyone can approach you through that portal. If the > offer > > > was > > > > > irrelevant and inflammatory, I would be siding with you but > > since > > > > in > > > > > this case you had requested astrological help and had not > > > indicated > > > > > that you do not wish to receive private offers for reading, > for > > > > which > > > > > the onus was on you, I see no blame should be put on Mr. > Pathi > > > who > > > > > had simply offered you with his astrological service. If he > had > > > > been > > > > > pestering you with emails or so on, then you could have > > > complained. > > > > > > > > > > In this case, simply put, you acted in bad faith and with > > unclear > > > > > knowledge of where you were posting your request which you > > wished > > > > to > > > > > remain free but private, Mr. Pathi and not you is the injured > > > party! > > > > > > > > > > Please note that I do not know Mr. Pathi from Adam but I do > not > > > see > > > > > what wrong he did if all he did was send you ONE EMAIL > offering > > > his > > > > > astrological services. > > > > > > > > > > You or anyone else may disagree with me but what is right is > > > right! > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > , " nsenecha " > > > <nsenecha@ .> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > respected sir, > > > > > > pranam. > > > > > > sir, it is my polite request. plz. don't take it the other > > way. > > > > > > > > > > > > yes, it is true, it was a personal email but my id was > taken > > > from > > > > > the > > > > > > public forum. i was not knowing that he is allowed to send > > > private > > > > > > emails like this. i thought he should send it publicly. > > > > > > i am not sorry for that. > > > > > > > > > > > > sir, you have the right to question my intentions for > asking > > > > > questions > > > > > > here. i simply asked.if replied, thanked. if i wanted to > know > > > > more, > > > > > > requested again politely. not answered. no problem. you can > > > > confirm > > > > > > this from forum itself. i never abused anyone & not replied > > the > > > > > person > > > > > > in his language who abused me publicly. i never > complained. > > all > > > > > > persons are different. we have to maintain our line. > > > > > > > > > > > > only thing i want to say is= if we trust you [ or your > forum] > > > and > > > > > give > > > > > > our personal details on public forum, no member should > offer > > > > > privately > > > > > > . if he wants to help or give some offer for help, should > > give > > > > here > > > > > in > > > > > > this forum only. > > > > > > > > > > > > sir, you tried to convince me like some elderly family > > member. > > > it > > > > is > > > > > > my privilege. but to share my feelings with you is my right. > > > > > > plz. this time do not question my intentions. i may be > wrong. > > > you > > > > > can > > > > > > point out my mistakes. > > > > > > > > > > > > i am happy to be a silent reader since last few days.. i can > > > learn > > > > > this > > > > > > way also. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > ns > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > > > > > <rohini_ranjan@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelam, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps you do not realize but you have posted in public > > > forum > > > > > Mr. > > > > > > > Pathi's private message quoting his fees! That is not > > > > appropriate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This forum allows individuals to send private emails to > > > > posters, > > > > > but > > > > > > > the posters then should not post such emails on the > public > > > > forum > > > > > for > > > > > > > obvious reasons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And this is not something that happens automatically as > in > > > > > pressing > > > > > > > the replying to sender button etc. from your emailer. You > > > would > > > > > have > > > > > > > to do some copying and pasting and so on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At first I thought Mr. Pathi posted the promotional > message > > > on > > > > > open > > > > > > > forum but then it seems that he sent a private email to > > you. > > > > You > > > > > had > > > > > > > the right to refuse his advances but it should have been > > done > > > > > > > privately and not in this manner. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It makes one question your intentions for posting your > > > original > > > > > > > request on the public forum :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is a known fact that astrologers charge for readings > and > > > > many > > > > > do > > > > > > > not wish to pay them for their services. This is a clear > > > > example > > > > > of > > > > > > > what we were discussing a few days ago. In this case, > > > obviously > > > > > the > > > > > > > intentions of the reading requester are questionable! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , neelam senecha > > > > > > > <nsenecha@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > respected A V Pathiji, > > > > > > > > namaskar, > > > > > > > > thanks for showing interest in answering my queries. > > > > > > > > i am sure u have already studied my horoscope.. but i > > don't > > > > > spend > > > > > > > on such things. i believe in helping poor persons or > > > renovation > > > > > of > > > > > > > temples.it reflects in my horoscope. > > > > > > > > i have some interest in learning jyotish . that's why i > > > gave > > > > my > > > > > > > queries on this forum. > > > > > > > > i think i know me & myself very well.. it will be very > > > helpful > > > > > in > > > > > > > understanding process. > > > > > > > > anyway thanks, > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > ns > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > venkatachala pathi <pathiav@> > > > > > > > > nsenecha <nsenecha@> > > > > > > > > Monday, November 17, 2008 4:44:06 AM > > > > > > > > Re: my health > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In case you wish to avail my services, I will be > pleased > > > > attend > > > > > to > > > > > > > your requirement. I am in the field for last 46 years > (aged > > > > 79), > > > > > and > > > > > > > widely popular in this field around many countries for > many > > > > > years. > > > > > > > Please give me your land line address for my records. My > > > > charges > > > > > for > > > > > > > reading Horoscope is US $ 50/- each, and I will be > sending > > > > > answers > > > > > > > for 4 questions asked by you over e-mail in four days > from > > > date > > > > > of > > > > > > > receipt of amount. I will be able to send you the copies > of > > > > > charts > > > > > > > (North indian/South Indian) with Vimshothri Desa detail > for > > > an > > > > > extra > > > > > > > charge of US $ 10/- each. On hearing from you. I will > > inform > > > > you > > > > > the > > > > > > > mode of remittance. Blessings, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.V.Pathi, > > > > > > > > North Carolina, 27514, USA > > > > > > > > 001-919-960- 3833 > > > > > > > > Please contact me in ID kountinya29@ ) > > > > > > > > All private readings are chargeable.Disclaim er > > > > > > > > A.V.Pathi and his Astrology Team want to make it > > absolutely > > > > > clear > > > > > > > that no discipline is absolutely perfect. Hence, any > > > prediction > > > > > that > > > > > > > you receive from us is not to be considered as a > substitute > > > for > > > > > > > advice, program, or treatment that you would normally > > receive > > > > > from a > > > > > > > licensed professional such as a lawyer, doctor, > > psychiatrist, > > > > or > > > > > > > financial advisor. A.V.Pathi and his team provide no > > > > guarantees, > > > > > > > implied warranties, or assurances of any kind, and will > not > > > be > > > > > > > responsible for any interpretation made or use by the > > > recipient > > > > > of > > > > > > > the information and data mentioned above. By the Grace of > > God > > > > we > > > > > can > > > > > > > only try to give our best and hope that our efforts will > > > > improve > > > > > the > > > > > > > life of our customers. ~~A.V.Pathi, Astrologer and his > > team. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > nsenecha <nsenecha@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, November 1, 2008 10:36:46 PM > > > > > > > > my health > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happy diwali to all members. > > > > > > > > respected gurujis, > > > > > > > > pranam to u all. > > > > > > > > i am having many health problems like acute allergies, > > > > > > > > hypertension, uterus fibroids [operation > > > > recommended] ,fats..can > > > > > i > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > over them? my DOB=15TH.APRIL1962, POB=MAWANA[ UP], > > TOB=22:30 > > > > > [+/ - > > > > > > > 20MINUTES] . > > > > > > > > imp. events in life=marriage in feb.1985,son was born in > > > > > > > > jan.1986,right hand & elbow fracture in nov. 1988, > > daughter > > > in > > > > > > > > dec.1989. allergies since childhood[nose > > > pollips].controlled > > > > in > > > > > > > 1984. > > > > > > > > but from 8-10 years around again activated along with > > above > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > problems. > > > > > > > > my husband is a scientist. his DOB=03JULY,1959; > > > POB=PRATAPGARH > > > > [ > > > > > > > RAJ.] > > > > > > > > TOB=23:22. > > > > > > > > KINDLY explain my horoscope & suggest me something > > > > accordingly. > > > > > > > > with regards > > > > > > > > ns > > > > > > > > ------------ ------ > > > > > > > > p.s. can i have some knowledge of astrology? > > > > > > > > ------------ ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 Dear RohiniranjanJi Very glad to see your mail . I saw your mail just now, as I was away on my work and so I have not seen the mails earlier. I will be very glad to reply you at the earliest today. With Best Regards Sai 25th /10:45AM ________________________________ Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan Sunday, November 23, 2008 8:06:22 AM Re: my health 20/11 Dear Venkata Sai, Since you *felt* that it could have been you, as you stated, why not state what your experience has been and let us all learn from your experience? After all, you did care to respond...! RR , Venkata Sai <vvrsai51@.. .> wrote: > > Dear Sri PrasanthJi > I trust this mail finds you in good health. > Yesterday I sent a mail to Ms.Seema Sukla to know whether the reference of a person in her mail --------- " ...... now one of the persons is inquiring in this forum as well as jyotish ganga also " is a reference to me, since in my reply to BhaskarJi's mail in this Forum I made a reference to Mr.Bhaskar and jyotishganga " > I have not received any reply on this . > Since you have replied to her mail to which I refered to above , I will be glad if if you can let me know . > if the reference is to me .If so I have something to say and if it is not Me then it is fine . > I am extreemly sorry for troubling you on this. > > With Best Regards > Sai > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@. ..> > > Thursday, November 20, 2008 10:38:26 PM > Re: Re: my health 20/11 > > > Seema > > we have to call a spade as spade no issue, we dont want members to post all over the forums and not care to use the replies effectively and blame astrology as u get good and bad readings which u can use properply if u give time for a few to happen either way before going to seek fresh advice > > just a s u do with health will u seek all hospitals or just one or tow to verify ur condition and a doctors views and proceed at the earliest on treatment respect astrologers who give u a reading give that its time to perform or fail for u then seek fresh ones if failed > > but dont forget to give feedback good or bad > > prashant > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's OTHER. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Seema Shukla <seema41064@ . in> > > Thursday, November 20, 2008 6:30:11 PM > Re: Re: my health 20/11 > > a very good evening to allof you > few days back when i posted my query there was a lots of debate Afterwards I stopped putting my point of view fine now one of the persons is inquiring in this forum as well as jyotish ganga also .He says he is need ful Now I can say so am I Now can any one preach me & talk about ethics now why there are no arguements & counter arguements Can you people now justify yourself Now I can also request to forward my query Is it so any comments ???????????? ????????? ???? > > --- On Thu, 20/11/08, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > wrote: > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > > Re: Re: my health 20/11 > > Thursday, 20 November, 2008, 11:24 AM > > Dear Arjun hi, RRJi, Bhaskar ji, Pathi ji, > > a few good posts by u all an dI hope a v pathi takes this in th right spirit and continues to guide forum members here with his wosdom, and not take one experience out of proportion and leave us. each one of us have something to give and some thing to gain from one another. above all life is a never ending book with rich experiences good and bad and the pages we fill are there for rest to see. > > as arjun ji has said I had long ago created the database yellow pages where members can direct qurrents to seek professional help after convincing themselves of a few members reading s here > > I made a change in the groups home page making this clear too. which RRji said was needed I did this months ago with some much of such heated exerience over the years felt this is a necessity I had checked with the Owner Sri Tanveer ji and got his green signal and did this. > > what flows from this between 2 people seeking a private interaction/ relationship is not the groups responsiblity is understood as well. as people go there by choice no compulsion. just providing some platform for it. as we don't have the luxury of time or relationships betwen our circles to know who is good in which city this is a global village so we can benefit and and equally help others. > > Best wishes > > prashant > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > > > Thursday, November 20, 2008 2:40:34 PM > Re: my health 20/11 > > dear bhaskarji and other members > > thanks for your good words. all along i have been treating > astrologers akin to doctors, for doctors treat suffering patients to > relieve them of their pain and suffering while astrologers find out > the planetary and mythical (divine) afflictions and suggest suitable > remedies. > > we find doctors with simple rmp, mbbs, md and other specialisations > in each division and then you find small one room clinics to > hospitals to polyclinics to superspeciality 5star hospitals which > promote even medical tourism. > > similarly, we have astrologers in the traditional conservative rural > areas, small time astrologers with shops in cities, established > astrologers with proven testimonials of rich and famous in metros and > of course the astrologers with their shops on the net too. > > suffering natives and querents have an array of astrologers of their > choice to choose from, be it locally in their place of living or > through an online consultation. > > sometimes doctors conduct free medical camps etc. similarly there > are free astro reading groups on the net where a member is free to > ask a free reading in that group. as a contributing astrologer in > this group, our job is over once we give our reading. afterwards > whether the querent comes back or go to another group is not ur > concern. this is similar to a doctor's job getting over after > testing the patient and giving his prescription of medicines. > whether to buy medicines based on that prescription or visit another > doctor and get another prescription, is the intellectual choice and > right of the native about which we shall not bother. > > however, like all personal services in the services sector like > doctors and advocates, astrologers too are professionals and there is > no wrong in their offering paid professional services which this > group moderator has permitted to present in the database section. > > both astrologers and querents shall treat each other with respect > even if it is a free reading or a charity.. for example, when > devotees set up langars or free food distribution centres at > pilgrimage places or elsewhere, they invite the visiting people who > take the food with respect and treat them as gods for accepting their > food. our scriptures narrate few vratas wherein the person prepares > delicious food and offers it to various bhakts and his vrat is > complete and he gets the merits and blessings only if the entire > cooked food is distributed or consumed by others. if there are no > visitors to take the food offered by the person doing the vrata, the > vrata is a failure. with such importance given to visitors who are > gods in disguise, let us all respect all alike, be it astrologers or > querents. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > , " Bhaskar " > <rajiventerprises@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Pandit ji, > > Pranams. > > > > Your these lines sum it all - > > > > // on ethical lines, the astrologers are not expected to write to > the > > private id of the querents offering paid readings or paid remedies, > > unless the querent seeks from them speicifcally. // > > > > // .........and the astrologer's role is only reactive and > supportive > > in nature, AFTER the querent approach them. // > > > > Thank You for being straightforward and direct in talking. > > > > kind regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " panditarjun2004 " > > <panditarjun2004@ > wrote: > > > > > > dear friends > > > > > > this thread is going on and on and is confusing the suffering > > > querent, answering astrologers and readers alike. > > > > > > let me give my understanding of how an internet based astrology > > group > > > functions. > > > > > > the net based astro group is like a venue where several > astrologers > > > offer free and/or paid readings, clarify doubts to fellow > > > astrologers, share knowledge with astros and querents alike and > > other > > > related stuff. this particular group jyotish remedies is visited > > > mostly by querents who seek free readings or seek free remedies. > > > some querents seek professional paid readings and also paid > > > remedies. these querents are at liberty to choose their > > astrologers > > > of choice and seek their personal readings or remedies on the > > > astrologers' private mail and the concerned astrologers can offer > > or > > > decline as per their wish. what transpires outside the group has > > > nothing to do with the group. on ethical lines, the astrologers > > are > > > not expected to write to the private id of the querents offering > > paid > > > readings or paid remedies, unless the querent seeks from them > > > speicifcally. > > > > > > we find asrologers having shops and websites where they offer > their > > > paid services. some astrologers put boards outside their homes > and > > > offer these paid services from thier homes too. in andhra there > > is > > > a sect of foretellers (thousands in number) called koyadoras who > > keep > > > on visiting road after road and city after city and state after > > state > > > offering their predictions and remedies. > > > > > > my last word on this issue is that astrological consultancy, be > it > > > free or paid, is a subject matter of solicitation by the querent > > and > > > the hundred percent preference, choice and right vests with the > > > querent and the astrologer's role is only reactive and supportive > > in > > > nature, AFTER the querent approach them. > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > pandit arjun > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji > > > > > > > > thanks for seeing the subject in the FAIR WAY and my stand so > far > > > being vindicated here. > > > > > > > > we have a obligation to be seen as human being not otherwise > and > > > remember I said all that happens in public our stand must be > > > different from private ones, we must say a few words lesse than > > ones > > > involved in a exchange else importance of them itself is diluted. > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Bhaskar <rajiventerprises@ > > > > > > > > > Thursday, November 20, 2008 8:26:29 AM > > > > Re: my health 20/11 > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelamji, > > > > > > > > I have written a harsh mail to you, and take my words back, > with > > a > > > > apology. I never realised that the mail sent to you by Pathiji > > was > > > > sent on his own,and on your personal id, without being > requested > > > for, > > > > by you. > > > > > > > > I do not endorse such actions. You had the right to reject that > > > mail. > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > > <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, > > > > > > > > > > a well laid out reply I tried the same and did not get the > > > expected > > > > response not sure how this is seen > > > > > > > > > > i had said both were wrong and more so a as ualso said > aperson > > > who > > > > is not fully aware of how groups/internet works in this context > i > > > > said she can be given a benefit of doubt as much as Pathi ji as > > > there > > > > is nothing wrong in offering private help her major blame lies > in > > > > posting private mail in public > > > > > > > > > > and here i said this must be settled mutually by both , both > > > taking > > > > a public platform and abusing one another and unfortunately it > > > became > > > > one v/s many for solidarity it is goood but if that also > happened > > > in > > > > public from start some part of it was in private space so they > > had > > > to > > > > go back there resolve it and be back either way > > > > > > > > > > I feel ur approach is the right one as u still have offred to > > > read > > > > her case inspite of all that happened we must retain a moral > > higher > > > > ground than the ones we r advising. > > > > > > > > > > I had also asked the ones who doubted her to test her > > > [hilantrophy > > > > side by pointing top some temple or charity and see the > action > > > and > > > > give her the appropriate treatment it is like for a traffic > > offence > > > > like jumping the signal one gets a life term. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, November 20, 2008 5:32:41 AM > > > > > Re: my health > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelam, > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for your explanation and giving us all some more > > > > > information about why you felt as if your privacy was > > encroached > > > > upon > > > > > by the astrologer who wrote to you privately. > > > > > > > > > > It is very important for each individual member to note > > carefully > > > > the > > > > > settings and surroundings in any group before joining in. > > > > > > allows two types of settings, one in which private emails can > > be > > > > > hidden and the other where this is not the case. Both have > > their > > > > > positives and negatives, with the former having potentially > > more > > > > > headaches for the moderators because then anyone can join the > > > forum > > > > > and post all kinds of stuff. It is sad but my sympathies will > > be > > > > with > > > > > the owner/moderator in this situation. > > > > > > > > > > People must realize that when someone posts on a forum with > > > > thousands > > > > > of members, 'privacy' becomes a luxury. This is why many > people > > > > > prefer paid readings. On a public forum that allows emails to > > be > > > > > displayed or allows the 'email' option, the given > understanding > > > is > > > > > that anyone can approach you through that portal. If the > offer > > > was > > > > > irrelevant and inflammatory, I would be siding with you but > > since > > > > in > > > > > this case you had requested astrological help and had not > > > indicated > > > > > that you do not wish to receive private offers for reading, > for > > > > which > > > > > the onus was on you, I see no blame should be put on Mr. > Pathi > > > who > > > > > had simply offered you with his astrological service. If he > had > > > > been > > > > > pestering you with emails or so on, then you could have > > > complained. > > > > > > > > > > In this case, simply put, you acted in bad faith and with > > unclear > > > > > knowledge of where you were posting your request which you > > wished > > > > to > > > > > remain free but private, Mr. Pathi and not you is the injured > > > party! > > > > > > > > > > Please note that I do not know Mr. Pathi from Adam but I do > not > > > see > > > > > what wrong he did if all he did was send you ONE EMAIL > offering > > > his > > > > > astrological services. > > > > > > > > > > You or anyone else may disagree with me but what is right is > > > right! > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > , " nsenecha " > > > <nsenecha@ .> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > respected sir, > > > > > > pranam. > > > > > > sir, it is my polite request. plz. don't take it the other > > way. > > > > > > > > > > > > yes, it is true, it was a personal email but my id was > taken > > > from > > > > > the > > > > > > public forum. i was not knowing that he is allowed to send > > > private > > > > > > emails like this. i thought he should send it publicly. > > > > > > i am not sorry for that. > > > > > > > > > > > > sir, you have the right to question my intentions for > asking > > > > > questions > > > > > > here. i simply asked.if replied, thanked. if i wanted to > know > > > > more, > > > > > > requested again politely. not answered. no problem. you can > > > > confirm > > > > > > this from forum itself. i never abused anyone & not replied > > the > > > > > person > > > > > > in his language who abused me publicly. i never > complained. > > all > > > > > > persons are different. we have to maintain our line. > > > > > > > > > > > > only thing i want to say is= if we trust you [ or your > forum] > > > and > > > > > give > > > > > > our personal details on public forum, no member should > offer > > > > > privately > > > > > > . if he wants to help or give some offer for help, should > > give > > > > here > > > > > in > > > > > > this forum only. > > > > > > > > > > > > sir, you tried to convince me like some elderly family > > member. > > > it > > > > is > > > > > > my privilege. but to share my feelings with you is my right. > > > > > > plz. this time do not question my intentions. i may be > wrong. > > > you > > > > > can > > > > > > point out my mistakes. > > > > > > > > > > > > i am happy to be a silent reader since last few days.. i can > > > learn > > > > > this > > > > > > way also. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > ns > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > > > > > <rohini_ranjan@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelam, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps you do not realize but you have posted in public > > > forum > > > > > Mr.. > > > > > > > Pathi's private message quoting his fees! That is not > > > > appropriate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This forum allows individuals to send private emails to > > > > posters, > > > > > but > > > > > > > the posters then should not post such emails on the > public > > > > forum > > > > > for > > > > > > > obvious reasons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And this is not something that happens automatically as > in > > > > > pressing > > > > > > > the replying to sender button etc. from your emailer. You > > > would > > > > > have > > > > > > > to do some copying and pasting and so on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At first I thought Mr. Pathi posted the promotional > message > > > on > > > > > open > > > > > > > forum but then it seems that he sent a private email to > > you. > > > > You > > > > > had > > > > > > > the right to refuse his advances but it should have been > > done > > > > > > > privately and not in this manner. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It makes one question your intentions for posting your > > > original > > > > > > > request on the public forum :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is a known fact that astrologers charge for readings > and > > > > many > > > > > do > > > > > > > not wish to pay them for their services. This is a clear > > > > example > > > > > of > > > > > > > what we were discussing a few days ago. In this case, > > > obviously > > > > > the > > > > > > > intentions of the reading requester are questionable! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , neelam senecha > > > > > > > <nsenecha@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > respected A V Pathiji, > > > > > > > > namaskar, > > > > > > > > thanks for showing interest in answering my queries. > > > > > > > > i am sure u have already studied my horoscope.. but i > > don't > > > > > spend > > > > > > > on such things. i believe in helping poor persons or > > > renovation > > > > > of > > > > > > > temples.it reflects in my horoscope. > > > > > > > > i have some interest in learning jyotish . that's why i > > > gave > > > > my > > > > > > > queries on this forum. > > > > > > > > i think i know me & myself very well.. it will be very > > > helpful > > > > > in > > > > > > > understanding process. > > > > > > > > anyway thanks, > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > ns > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > venkatachala pathi <pathiav@> > > > > > > > > nsenecha <nsenecha@> > > > > > > > > Monday, November 17, 2008 4:44:06 AM > > > > > > > > Re: my health > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In case you wish to avail my services, I will be > pleased > > > > attend > > > > > to > > > > > > > your requirement. I am in the field for last 46 years > (aged > > > > 79), > > > > > and > > > > > > > widely popular in this field around many countries for > many > > > > > years. > > > > > > > Please give me your land line address for my records. My > > > > charges > > > > > for > > > > > > > reading Horoscope is US $ 50/- each, and I will be > sending > > > > > answers > > > > > > > for 4 questions asked by you over e-mail in four days > from > > > date > > > > > of > > > > > > > receipt of amount. I will be able to send you the copies > of > > > > > charts > > > > > > > (North indian/South Indian) with Vimshothri Desa detail > for > > > an > > > > > extra > > > > > > > charge of US $ 10/- each. On hearing from you. I will > > inform > > > > you > > > > > the > > > > > > > mode of remittance. Blessings, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.V.Pathi, > > > > > > > > North Carolina, 27514, USA > > > > > > > > 001-919-960- 3833 > > > > > > > > Please contact me in ID kountinya29@ ) > > > > > > > > All private readings are chargeable.Disclaim er > > > > > > > > A.V.Pathi and his Astrology Team want to make it > > absolutely > > > > > clear > > > > > > > that no discipline is absolutely perfect. Hence, any > > > prediction > > > > > that > > > > > > > you receive from us is not to be considered as a > substitute > > > for > > > > > > > advice, program, or treatment that you would normally > > receive > > > > > from a > > > > > > > licensed professional such as a lawyer, doctor, > > psychiatrist, > > > > or > > > > > > > financial advisor. A.V.Pathi and his team provide no > > > > guarantees, > > > > > > > implied warranties, or assurances of any kind, and will > not > > > be > > > > > > > responsible for any interpretation made or use by the > > > recipient > > > > > of > > > > > > > the information and data mentioned above. By the Grace of > > God > > > > we > > > > > can > > > > > > > only try to give our best and hope that our efforts will > > > > improve > > > > > the > > > > > > > life of our customers. ~~A.V.Pathi, Astrologer and his > > team. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > nsenecha <nsenecha@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, November 1, 2008 10:36:46 PM > > > > > > > > my health > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happy diwali to all members. > > > > > > > > respected gurujis, > > > > > > > > pranam to u all. > > > > > > > > i am having many health problems like acute allergies, > > > > > > > > hypertension, uterus fibroids [operation > > > > recommended] ,fats..can > > > > > i > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > over them? my DOB=15TH.APRIL1962, POB=MAWANA[ UP], > > TOB=22:30 > > > > > [+/ - > > > > > > > 20MINUTES] . > > > > > > > > imp. events in life=marriage in feb.1985,son was born in > > > > > > > > jan.1986,right hand & elbow fracture in nov. 1988, > > daughter > > > in > > > > > > > > dec.1989. allergies since childhood[nose > > > pollips].controlled > > > > in > > > > > > > 1984. > > > > > > > > but from 8-10 years around again activated along with > > above > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > problems. > > > > > > > > my husband is a scientist. his DOB=03JULY,1959; > > > POB=PRATAPGARH > > > > [ > > > > > > > RAJ.] > > > > > > > > TOB=23:22. > > > > > > > > KINDLY explain my horoscope & suggest me something > > > > accordingly. > > > > > > > > with regards > > > > > > > > ns > > > > > > > > ------------ ------ > > > > > > > > p.s. can i have some knowledge of astrology? > > > > > > > > ------------ ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 Dear PrasanthJi Some times I am finding my mails are not appearing in time and getting delayed.For example even my mail to you to which RohiniranjanJi replied to me ,I did not see till Saturday after Noon. Yesterday night I sent a detailed reply to RRJi's mail but till now it has not appeared.I do not know whether there is a problem with Site. With Best Regards Sai ________________________________ Venkata Sai <vvrsai51 Tuesday, November 25, 2008 10:40:01 AM Re: Re: my health 20/11 Dear RohiniranjanJi Very glad to see your mail . I saw your mail just now, as I was away on my work and so I have not seen the mails earlier. I will be very glad to reply you at the earliest today. With Best Regards Sai 25th /10:45AM ____________ _________ _________ __ Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> Sunday, November 23, 2008 8:06:22 AM Re: my health 20/11 Dear Venkata Sai, Since you *felt* that it could have been you, as you stated, why not state what your experience has been and let us all learn from your experience? After all, you did care to respond...! RR , Venkata Sai <vvrsai51@.. .> wrote: > > Dear Sri PrasanthJi > I trust this mail finds you in good health. > Yesterday I sent a mail to Ms.Seema Sukla to know whether the reference of a person in her mail --------- " ...... now one of the persons is inquiring in this forum as well as jyotish ganga also " is a reference to me, since in my reply to BhaskarJi's mail in this Forum I made a reference to Mr.Bhaskar and jyotishganga " > I have not received any reply on this . > Since you have replied to her mail to which I refered to above , I will be glad if if you can let me know . > if the reference is to me .If so I have something to say and if it is not Me then it is fine . > I am extreemly sorry for troubling you on this. > > With Best Regards > Sai > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@. ..> > > Thursday, November 20, 2008 10:38:26 PM > Re: Re: my health 20/11 > > > Seema > > we have to call a spade as spade no issue, we dont want members to post all over the forums and not care to use the replies effectively and blame astrology as u get good and bad readings which u can use properply if u give time for a few to happen either way before going to seek fresh advice > > just a s u do with health will u seek all hospitals or just one or tow to verify ur condition and a doctors views and proceed at the earliest on treatment respect astrologers who give u a reading give that its time to perform or fail for u then seek fresh ones if failed > > but dont forget to give feedback good or bad > > prashant > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's OTHER. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Seema Shukla <seema41064@ . in> > > Thursday, November 20, 2008 6:30:11 PM > Re: Re: my health 20/11 > > a very good evening to allof you > few days back when i posted my query there was a lots of debate Afterwards I stopped putting my point of view fine now one of the persons is inquiring in this forum as well as jyotish ganga also .He says he is need ful Now I can say so am I Now can any one preach me & talk about ethics now why there are no arguements & counter arguements Can you people now justify yourself Now I can also request to forward my query Is it so any comments ???????????? ????????? ???? > > --- On Thu, 20/11/08, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > wrote: > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > > Re: Re: my health 20/11 > > Thursday, 20 November, 2008, 11:24 AM > > Dear Arjun hi, RRJi, Bhaskar ji, Pathi ji, > > a few good posts by u all an dI hope a v pathi takes this in th right spirit and continues to guide forum members here with his wosdom, and not take one experience out of proportion and leave us. each one of us have something to give and some thing to gain from one another. above all life is a never ending book with rich experiences good and bad and the pages we fill are there for rest to see. > > as arjun ji has said I had long ago created the database yellow pages where members can direct qurrents to seek professional help after convincing themselves of a few members reading s here > > I made a change in the groups home page making this clear too. which RRji said was needed I did this months ago with some much of such heated exerience over the years felt this is a necessity I had checked with the Owner Sri Tanveer ji and got his green signal and did this. > > what flows from this between 2 people seeking a private interaction/ relationship is not the groups responsiblity is understood as well. as people go there by choice no compulsion. just providing some platform for it. as we don't have the luxury of time or relationships betwen our circles to know who is good in which city this is a global village so we can benefit and and equally help others. > > Best wishes > > prashant > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > > > Thursday, November 20, 2008 2:40:34 PM > Re: my health 20/11 > > dear bhaskarji and other members > > thanks for your good words. all along i have been treating > astrologers akin to doctors, for doctors treat suffering patients to > relieve them of their pain and suffering while astrologers find out > the planetary and mythical (divine) afflictions and suggest suitable > remedies. > > we find doctors with simple rmp, mbbs, md and other specialisations > in each division and then you find small one room clinics to > hospitals to polyclinics to superspeciality 5star hospitals which > promote even medical tourism. > > similarly, we have astrologers in the traditional conservative rural > areas, small time astrologers with shops in cities, established > astrologers with proven testimonials of rich and famous in metros and > of course the astrologers with their shops on the net too. > > suffering natives and querents have an array of astrologers of their > choice to choose from, be it locally in their place of living or > through an online consultation. > > sometimes doctors conduct free medical camps etc. similarly there > are free astro reading groups on the net where a member is free to > ask a free reading in that group. as a contributing astrologer in > this group, our job is over once we give our reading. afterwards > whether the querent comes back or go to another group is not ur > concern. this is similar to a doctor's job getting over after > testing the patient and giving his prescription of medicines. > whether to buy medicines based on that prescription or visit another > doctor and get another prescription, is the intellectual choice and > right of the native about which we shall not bother. > > however, like all personal services in the services sector like > doctors and advocates, astrologers too are professionals and there is > no wrong in their offering paid professional services which this > group moderator has permitted to present in the database section. > > both astrologers and querents shall treat each other with respect > even if it is a free reading or a charity... for example, when > devotees set up langars or free food distribution centres at > pilgrimage places or elsewhere, they invite the visiting people who > take the food with respect and treat them as gods for accepting their > food. our scriptures narrate few vratas wherein the person prepares > delicious food and offers it to various bhakts and his vrat is > complete and he gets the merits and blessings only if the entire > cooked food is distributed or consumed by others. if there are no > visitors to take the food offered by the person doing the vrata, the > vrata is a failure. with such importance given to visitors who are > gods in disguise, let us all respect all alike, be it astrologers or > querents. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > , " Bhaskar " > <rajiventerprises@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Pandit ji, > > Pranams. > > > > Your these lines sum it all - > > > > // on ethical lines, the astrologers are not expected to write to > the > > private id of the querents offering paid readings or paid remedies, > > unless the querent seeks from them speicifcally. // > > > > // .........and the astrologer's role is only reactive and > supportive > > in nature, AFTER the querent approach them. // > > > > Thank You for being straightforward and direct in talking. > > > > kind regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " panditarjun2004 " > > <panditarjun2004@ > wrote: > > > > > > dear friends > > > > > > this thread is going on and on and is confusing the suffering > > > querent, answering astrologers and readers alike. > > > > > > let me give my understanding of how an internet based astrology > > group > > > functions. > > > > > > the net based astro group is like a venue where several > astrologers > > > offer free and/or paid readings, clarify doubts to fellow > > > astrologers, share knowledge with astros and querents alike and > > other > > > related stuff. this particular group jyotish remedies is visited > > > mostly by querents who seek free readings or seek free remedies. > > > some querents seek professional paid readings and also paid > > > remedies. these querents are at liberty to choose their > > astrologers > > > of choice and seek their personal readings or remedies on the > > > astrologers' private mail and the concerned astrologers can offer > > or > > > decline as per their wish. what transpires outside the group has > > > nothing to do with the group. on ethical lines, the astrologers > > are > > > not expected to write to the private id of the querents offering > > paid > > > readings or paid remedies, unless the querent seeks from them > > > speicifcally. > > > > > > we find asrologers having shops and websites where they offer > their > > > paid services. some astrologers put boards outside their homes > and > > > offer these paid services from thier homes too. in andhra there > > is > > > a sect of foretellers (thousands in number) called koyadoras who > > keep > > > on visiting road after road and city after city and state after > > state > > > offering their predictions and remedies. > > > > > > my last word on this issue is that astrological consultancy, be > it > > > free or paid, is a subject matter of solicitation by the querent > > and > > > the hundred percent preference, choice and right vests with the > > > querent and the astrologer's role is only reactive and supportive > > in > > > nature, AFTER the querent approach them. > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > pandit arjun > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji > > > > > > > > thanks for seeing the subject in the FAIR WAY and my stand so > far > > > being vindicated here. > > > > > > > > we have a obligation to be seen as human being not otherwise > and > > > remember I said all that happens in public our stand must be > > > different from private ones, we must say a few words lesse than > > ones > > > involved in a exchange else importance of them itself is diluted. > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Bhaskar <rajiventerprises@ > > > > > > > > > Thursday, November 20, 2008 8:26:29 AM > > > > Re: my health 20/11 > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelamji, > > > > > > > > I have written a harsh mail to you, and take my words back, > with > > a > > > > apology.. I never realised that the mail sent to you by Pathiji > > was > > > > sent on his own,and on your personal id, without being > requested > > > for, > > > > by you. > > > > > > > > I do not endorse such actions. You had the right to reject that > > > mail. > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > > <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, > > > > > > > > > > a well laid out reply I tried the same and did not get the > > > expected > > > > response not sure how this is seen > > > > > > > > > > i had said both were wrong and more so a as ualso said > aperson > > > who > > > > is not fully aware of how groups/internet works in this context > i > > > > said she can be given a benefit of doubt as much as Pathi ji as > > > there > > > > is nothing wrong in offering private help her major blame lies > in > > > > posting private mail in public > > > > > > > > > > and here i said this must be settled mutually by both , both > > > taking > > > > a public platform and abusing one another and unfortunately it > > > became > > > > one v/s many for solidarity it is goood but if that also > happened > > > in > > > > public from start some part of it was in private space so they > > had > > > to > > > > go back there resolve it and be back either way > > > > > > > > > > I feel ur approach is the right one as u still have offred to > > > read > > > > her case inspite of all that happened we must retain a moral > > higher > > > > ground than the ones we r advising. > > > > > > > > > > I had also asked the ones who doubted her to test her > > > [hilantrophy > > > > side by pointing top some temple or charity and see the > action > > > and > > > > give her the appropriate treatment it is like for a traffic > > offence > > > > like jumping the signal one gets a life term. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, November 20, 2008 5:32:41 AM > > > > > Re: my health > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelam, > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for your explanation and giving us all some more > > > > > information about why you felt as if your privacy was > > encroached > > > > upon > > > > > by the astrologer who wrote to you privately. > > > > > > > > > > It is very important for each individual member to note > > carefully > > > > the > > > > > settings and surroundings in any group before joining in. > > > > > > allows two types of settings, one in which private emails can > > be > > > > > hidden and the other where this is not the case. Both have > > their > > > > > positives and negatives, with the former having potentially > > more > > > > > headaches for the moderators because then anyone can join the > > > forum > > > > > and post all kinds of stuff. It is sad but my sympathies will > > be > > > > with > > > > > the owner/moderator in this situation. > > > > > > > > > > People must realize that when someone posts on a forum with > > > > thousands > > > > > of members, 'privacy' becomes a luxury. This is why many > people > > > > > prefer paid readings. On a public forum that allows emails to > > be > > > > > displayed or allows the 'email' option, the given > understanding > > > is > > > > > that anyone can approach you through that portal. If the > offer > > > was > > > > > irrelevant and inflammatory, I would be siding with you but > > since > > > > in > > > > > this case you had requested astrological help and had not > > > indicated > > > > > that you do not wish to receive private offers for reading, > for > > > > which > > > > > the onus was on you, I see no blame should be put on Mr. > Pathi > > > who > > > > > had simply offered you with his astrological service. If he > had > > > > been > > > > > pestering you with emails or so on, then you could have > > > complained. > > > > > > > > > > In this case, simply put, you acted in bad faith and with > > unclear > > > > > knowledge of where you were posting your request which you > > wished > > > > to > > > > > remain free but private, Mr. Pathi and not you is the injured > > > party! > > > > > > > > > > Please note that I do not know Mr. Pathi from Adam but I do > not > > > see > > > > > what wrong he did if all he did was send you ONE EMAIL > offering > > > his > > > > > astrological services. > > > > > > > > > > You or anyone else may disagree with me but what is right is > > > right! > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > , " nsenecha " > > > <nsenecha@ .> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > respected sir, > > > > > > pranam. > > > > > > sir, it is my polite request.. plz. don't take it the other > > way. > > > > > > > > > > > > yes, it is true, it was a personal email but my id was > taken > > > from > > > > > the > > > > > > public forum. i was not knowing that he is allowed to send > > > private > > > > > > emails like this. i thought he should send it publicly. > > > > > > i am not sorry for that. > > > > > > > > > > > > sir, you have the right to question my intentions for > asking > > > > > questions > > > > > > here. i simply asked.if replied, thanked. if i wanted to > know > > > > more, > > > > > > requested again politely. not answered. no problem. you can > > > > confirm > > > > > > this from forum itself. i never abused anyone & not replied > > the > > > > > person > > > > > > in his language who abused me publicly. i never > complained. > > all > > > > > > persons are different. we have to maintain our line. > > > > > > > > > > > > only thing i want to say is= if we trust you [ or your > forum] > > > and > > > > > give > > > > > > our personal details on public forum, no member should > offer > > > > > privately > > > > > > .. if he wants to help or give some offer for help, should > > give > > > > here > > > > > in > > > > > > this forum only. > > > > > > > > > > > > sir, you tried to convince me like some elderly family > > member. > > > it > > > > is > > > > > > my privilege. but to share my feelings with you is my right. > > > > > > plz. this time do not question my intentions. i may be > wrong. > > > you > > > > > can > > > > > > point out my mistakes. > > > > > > > > > > > > i am happy to be a silent reader since last few days.. i can > > > learn > > > > > this > > > > > > way also. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > ns > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > > > > > <rohini_ranjan@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelam, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps you do not realize but you have posted in public > > > forum > > > > > Mr.. > > > > > > > Pathi's private message quoting his fees! That is not > > > > appropriate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This forum allows individuals to send private emails to > > > > posters, > > > > > but > > > > > > > the posters then should not post such emails on the > public > > > > forum > > > > > for > > > > > > > obvious reasons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And this is not something that happens automatically as > in > > > > > pressing > > > > > > > the replying to sender button etc. from your emailer. You > > > would > > > > > have > > > > > > > to do some copying and pasting and so on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At first I thought Mr. Pathi posted the promotional > message > > > on > > > > > open > > > > > > > forum but then it seems that he sent a private email to > > you. > > > > You > > > > > had > > > > > > > the right to refuse his advances but it should have been > > done > > > > > > > privately and not in this manner. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It makes one question your intentions for posting your > > > original > > > > > > > request on the public forum :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is a known fact that astrologers charge for readings > and > > > > many > > > > > do > > > > > > > not wish to pay them for their services. This is a clear > > > > example > > > > > of > > > > > > > what we were discussing a few days ago. In this case, > > > obviously > > > > > the > > > > > > > intentions of the reading requester are questionable! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , neelam senecha > > > > > > > <nsenecha@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > respected A V Pathiji, > > > > > > > > namaskar, > > > > > > > > thanks for showing interest in answering my queries. > > > > > > > > i am sure u have already studied my horoscope.. but i > > don't > > > > > spend > > > > > > > on such things. i believe in helping poor persons or > > > renovation > > > > > of > > > > > > > temples.it reflects in my horoscope. > > > > > > > > i have some interest in learning jyotish . that's why i > > > gave > > > > my > > > > > > > queries on this forum. > > > > > > > > i think i know me & myself very well.. it will be very > > > helpful > > > > > in > > > > > > > understanding process. > > > > > > > > anyway thanks, > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > ns > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > venkatachala pathi <pathiav@> > > > > > > > > nsenecha <nsenecha@> > > > > > > > > Monday, November 17, 2008 4:44:06 AM > > > > > > > > Re: my health > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In case you wish to avail my services, I will be > pleased > > > > attend > > > > > to > > > > > > > your requirement. I am in the field for last 46 years > (aged > > > > 79), > > > > > and > > > > > > > widely popular in this field around many countries for > many > > > > > years. > > > > > > > Please give me your land line address for my records. My > > > > charges > > > > > for > > > > > > > reading Horoscope is US $ 50/- each, and I will be > sending > > > > > answers > > > > > > > for 4 questions asked by you over e-mail in four days > from > > > date > > > > > of > > > > > > > receipt of amount. I will be able to send you the copies > of > > > > > charts > > > > > > > (North indian/South Indian) with Vimshothri Desa detail > for > > > an > > > > > extra > > > > > > > charge of US $ 10/- each. On hearing from you. I will > > inform > > > > you > > > > > the > > > > > > > mode of remittance. Blessings, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.V.Pathi, > > > > > > > > North Carolina, 27514, USA > > > > > > > > 001-919-960- 3833 > > > > > > > > Please contact me in ID kountinya29@ ) > > > > > > > > All private readings are chargeable.Disclaim er > > > > > > > > A.V.Pathi and his Astrology Team want to make it > > absolutely > > > > > clear > > > > > > > that no discipline is absolutely perfect. Hence, any > > > prediction > > > > > that > > > > > > > you receive from us is not to be considered as a > substitute > > > for > > > > > > > advice, program, or treatment that you would normally > > receive > > > > > from a > > > > > > > licensed professional such as a lawyer, doctor, > > psychiatrist, > > > > or > > > > > > > financial advisor. A.V.Pathi and his team provide no > > > > guarantees, > > > > > > > implied warranties, or assurances of any kind, and will > not > > > be > > > > > > > responsible for any interpretation made or use by the > > > recipient > > > > > of > > > > > > > the information and data mentioned above. By the Grace of > > God > > > > we > > > > > can > > > > > > > only try to give our best and hope that our efforts will > > > > improve > > > > > the > > > > > > > life of our customers. ~~A.V.Pathi, Astrologer and his > > team. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > nsenecha <nsenecha@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, November 1, 2008 10:36:46 PM > > > > > > > > my health > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happy diwali to all members. > > > > > > > > respected gurujis, > > > > > > > > pranam to u all. > > > > > > > > i am having many health problems like acute allergies, > > > > > > > > hypertension, uterus fibroids [operation > > > > recommended] ,fats..can > > > > > i > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > over them? my DOB=15TH.APRIL1962, POB=MAWANA[ UP], > > TOB=22:30 > > > > > [+/ - > > > > > > > 20MINUTES] . > > > > > > > > imp. events in life=marriage in feb.1985,son was born in > > > > > > > > jan.1986,right hand & elbow fracture in nov. 1988, > > daughter > > > in > > > > > > > > dec.1989. allergies since childhood[nose > > > pollips].controlled > > > > in > > > > > > > 1984. > > > > > > > > but from 8-10 years around again activated along with > > above > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > problems. > > > > > > > > my husband is a scientist. his DOB=03JULY,1959; > > > POB=PRATAPGARH > > > > [ > > > > > > > RAJ.] > > > > > > > > TOB=23:22. > > > > > > > > KINDLY explain my horoscope & suggest me something > > > > accordingly. > > > > > > > > with regards > > > > > > > > ns > > > > > > > > ------------ ------ > > > > > > > > p.s. can i have some knowledge of astrology? > > > > > > > > ------------ ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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