Guest guest Posted November 9, 2008 Report Share Posted November 9, 2008 Seema Can u say honesly how many forums u had posted and how many replies u got [did u thank tnem too] personally there is no harm in seeking a 2nd view more often in the same group itself u may get more than one else just one or towo more and waiting for sometime to see its outcome is important i had pointed a few names no one seems to ntice Kumar rajeev, anil kumar reddy, kiran, ice_maiden, prashant_dixit etc who post in so many forums do they have time to go back and see all these groups- I DON'T SO THEY SURELY WILL NOT THAN K ASTROLOGERS WHO READ THEIR CASE if such people r there and if u r not guilty like the ones I listed u may unwittingly get into such peoples league personally there is no problem seeking a 2nd vieew from anyone like we see Doctors or layers like it but there we do pay something to them too if it was also free like this surely ppl will flood doctores too like this with as many free check ups and deprive the time for others. in the quees coming 1st time. Best wishes prashant I use BV Raman & #39;s Ayanamsa=Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman & #39;s. NONE OTHER. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. ________________________________ Seema Shukla <seema41064 Saturday, November 8, 2008 9:51:45 PM Re: My Future With due respect sir I am not pratiscing by gathering allthe information from all the astrologers & passing as prediction as of my own untill & unless you know the person personally none can decide the particular nature secondly If you go & consult a doctor always it is adviced to take a second opinion --- On Sat, 8/11/08, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> wrote: Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> Re: My Future Saturday, 8 November, 2008, 3:52 PM Bhaskar bhai, I understand your position and indeed have experienced similar feelings of being offended, being taken advantage of, in a sense wasting a good chunk of time when running into such individuals. However, not all of them -- I realized later on -- are callous or careless. Some are purely devoid of hopefulness and in panic and even somewhat " disturbed " (no other way to say it!). Then there are those that are bitter and sceptical and just into what surges from time to time, which I call, " Bash the astrologer " urges! Also there are scouts and self-appointed quality control inspectors who try to use these forums as " test the astrologer " . Some of the astrologers are not above that either as we all know. And as some individuals had earlier indicated through some research and detection that some of the requests are placed by what can only be called Astrology brokers. They take it upon their good-selves to collect readings and pass those on to the nativity presumably as if they themselves gave the reading. Archives on this forum from a few years ago would clearly highlight those discussions. As to astrologers joining hands and becoming one -- that is a very desirable and commendable goal and one that is very close to my heart and though I have managed to do that to a small extent only, the multidisciplinary, eclectic approach to divination is possible as I have seen and helped on several fora but becomes difficult to sustain perhaps because of some natural selection or something else! So given all that and more, what is one to do, to keep serving the craft of divination that is so dear to our hearts and soul? Perhaps it is the karma/lesson for all of us astrologers to learn that we must realize that really we are not the creators of the message that we convey to the nativity but merely presenters. By this I should not be misunderstood for saying that astrologers use intuition alone or channel *entities* for producing their oracle. No, there is a lot of technique and interpretation involved. Our learning and realizing this would lead us to have a certain detachment from the noble but still self-absorbed mental attitude of having helped someone and feeling 'great' through doing so. Constantly practicing this takes the edge and pain away from the feeling of being cheated through the ungratefulness of those we tried to help. Sorry for the long-winded post which readers may or may not relate to. I would not feel offended if latter is the case :-) Namastay Rohiniranjan , " Bhaskar " <rajiventerprises@ ...> wrote: > > > Dear Shri RR ji, > > That is the attitude one normally adopts when one does a free reading, > but one cannot just close his eyes and avoid being hurt. If a person > begs something from me and i put some coins in his bowl, and after 2 > minutes i see that person asking my wife for some money, i will surely > inform my wife that i have already paid the beggar, and you need not > pay. In same way its the duty of every astrologer to inform his > colleagues about some help given, so that advantage is not taken of, and > at the same time, duplication of efforts is not done. > > Unless we astrologers do not join together and be info- sharing, the > general lot of the public will keep on squeezing more and more from us. > My attempts are always in the directions to make this community of > astrologers a close knit one so that we do not disssipate our energies . > > I have always adopted this attitude as your goodself mentioned " Neki > kar dariya mein daal " , but over smartness from the person towards whom > neki is done, must be pointed out, is what I believe in. > > best regards, > > Bhaskar. , " Rohiniranjan " > <rohini_ranjan@ > wrote: > > > > It has been known for a long time on internet that individuals post > > queries on several sites simultaneously or within a few days > > particularly when readings are provided for free for a variety of > > reasons. > > > > There is nothing to avoid multiple requests in that situation and > > since most astrologers are too busy to read who responded > > (particularly when different sites are involved), the best approach > > for astrologers who wish to give free readings is the traditional > > saying: > > > > NEKI KAR KUAAIN MAY DAAL (give alms and do not look back as to what > > happened to it!) > > > > This also teaches the selfless astrologer (I assume that all astros > > that give free readings are karma yogis!) what Gita says as often > > quoted: Do the proper karma and do not worry about the result, > > consequences and rewards! > > > > The nativities that are giving " charity " as a remedial must adopt a > > similar attitude. If they do not, we will be hearing their complaints > > ad nauseum, ad infinitum... > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > rajiventerprises@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear astrologers, > > > > > > Before you answer this query, remember that another colleauge of > > your > > > has aready spent some time and energy and answered this in > > > Jyotish_Ganga. I have answered her just 2-3 days back. > > > > > > rest I leave to you whether you would like to duplicate the efforts > > and > > > override your colleagues hardwork.. > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Seema Shukla <seema41064@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Please guidr me > > > >  I am Seema shukla right now residing in Ahmedabad . I am > > > 44yearold .DOB  4/10/64 time > > > > of birth 20:14 hours place of birth Gorakhpur (UP) .my father was > > > working with UP govt in Medical & healthDept as gazzated officer .He > > > retired in 1992 . My only brother is working in Gujarat is a class 1 > > > officer (IPS) I have done MA in POLSc . I was married in 14/12/1996 > > > > to a Gujarati brahmin boy My husbands name is Nigam Shukla He is a > > > criminal Lawyer in Gujarat high court .His dob is 6/01/1959 time of > > > birth is 3:45am at Mumbai I have a 4 year old daughter > > (13/11/2004) . she > > > was borned after advanced medical treatment . I was physically & > > > mentally harassed from the very first day .In june 2005 I wa thrown > > out > > > by my husband But due to social pressure I was taken backon dec > > 2006 > > > Now since last 8-9 months aagain with my parents .Now I am running a > > > preprimary school in Gandhinagar with financial help of my > > father.imn > > > Gandhinagar since June2008 there also there is only investment > > with > > > no profit .My hus band has an elder brother staying in USA His > > mother > > > expired in 1972 on third day of holi .Mine was arranged marriage . > > Now I > > > dont want to go back & be on my own my daughter is staying with him > > > Where will she stay afterwards . > > > > What will happen of the school I have started > > > > --- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ms. Shaillasharma ji, > > > > > > > > I tried to search in the group for the original query mail and > > > original > > > > prediction.. ..could not find it....can you please share it...it > > would > > > be > > > > education for all amateurs i.e. give me message number..... > > > > > > > > with regards, > > > > > > > > Sreeram_Srinivas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! 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Guest guest Posted November 9, 2008 Report Share Posted November 9, 2008 Good Evening and Namaste     Thanks for your letter . Sir I do thank people when they do my work whether they charge money or not You can Enquire Mr. Bhaskar for that This is the 3rd fo rum I have logged in for the query . Basically I have logged today 2 more.Actually I was not very satisfied I wanted to know how my school buisness will go. Secondly my minor daughter is staying with me upto the time she is minor no body can claim her because she is a girl & she needs mother But fewpeople say that when she will grow She will be taken by my husband. I dont want that.          Secondly Sir the money  charging part .Sir I am not exxagereting my self when my daughter was borned she was kept in neonatal section due to major Complications .The total fees wad more than2.25lacs But I paid half same way till now I had not paid asingle penny to her paeditrician. Even when my Father was in job many benefits were there .Now my brother is there .. & sir If you want to charge & iam satisfied I am ready to pay Money is not the sole thing atleast for me sir   Thanks & regards           I f you feel to answer than only answer there is no compulsion from my side. I f you will not reply back than also there will be no malafied views from my side Good Night --- On Sun, 9/11/08, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar Re: My Future 9/11 Sunday, 9 November, 2008, 3:37 PM Seema Can u say honesly how many forums u had posted and how many replies u got [did u thank tnem too] personally there is no harm in seeking a 2nd view more often in the same group itself u may get more than one else just one or towo more and waiting for sometime to see its outcome is important i had pointed a few names no one seems to ntice Kumar rajeev, anil kumar reddy, kiran, ice_maiden, prashant_dixit etc who post in so many forums do they have time to go back and see all these groups- I DON'T SO THEY SURELY WILL NOT THAN K ASTROLOGERS WHO READ THEIR CASE if such people r there and if u r not guilty like the ones I listed u may unwittingly get into such peoples league personally there is no problem seeking a 2nd vieew from anyone like we see Doctors or layers like it but there we do pay something to them too if it was also free like this surely ppl will flood doctores too like this with as many free check ups and deprive the time for others. in the quees coming 1st time. Best wishes prashant I use BV Raman & #39;s Ayanamsa=Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman & #39;s. NONE OTHER. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. ____________ _________ _________ __ Seema Shukla <seema41064 (AT) (DOT) in> Saturday, November 8, 2008 9:51:45 PM Re: My Future With due respect sir I am not pratiscing by gathering allthe information from all the astrologers & passing as prediction as of my own untill & unless you know the person personally none can decide the particular nature secondly If you go & consult a doctor always it is adviced to take a second opinion --- On Sat, 8/11/08, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> wrote: Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> Re: My Future Saturday, 8 November, 2008, 3:52 PM Bhaskar bhai, I understand your position and indeed have experienced similar feelings of being offended, being taken advantage of, in a sense wasting a good chunk of time when running into such individuals. However, not all of them -- I realized later on -- are callous or careless. Some are purely devoid of hopefulness and in panic and even somewhat " disturbed " (no other way to say it!). Then there are those that are bitter and sceptical and just into what surges from time to time, which I call, " Bash the astrologer " urges! Also there are scouts and self-appointed quality control inspectors who try to use these forums as " test the astrologer " . Some of the astrologers are not above that either as we all know. And as some individuals had earlier indicated through some research and detection that some of the requests are placed by what can only be called Astrology brokers. They take it upon their good-selves to collect readings and pass those on to the nativity presumably as if they themselves gave the reading. Archives on this forum from a few years ago would clearly highlight those discussions. As to astrologers joining hands and becoming one -- that is a very desirable and commendable goal and one that is very close to my heart and though I have managed to do that to a small extent only, the multidisciplinary, eclectic approach to divination is possible as I have seen and helped on several fora but becomes difficult to sustain perhaps because of some natural selection or something else! So given all that and more, what is one to do, to keep serving the craft of divination that is so dear to our hearts and soul? Perhaps it is the karma/lesson for all of us astrologers to learn that we must realize that really we are not the creators of the message that we convey to the nativity but merely presenters. By this I should not be misunderstood for saying that astrologers use intuition alone or channel *entities* for producing their oracle. No, there is a lot of technique and interpretation involved. Our learning and realizing this would lead us to have a certain detachment from the noble but still self-absorbed mental attitude of having helped someone and feeling 'great' through doing so. Constantly practicing this takes the edge and pain away from the feeling of being cheated through the ungratefulness of those we tried to help. Sorry for the long-winded post which readers may or may not relate to. I would not feel offended if latter is the case :-) Namastay Rohiniranjan , " Bhaskar " <rajiventerprises@ ...> wrote: > > > Dear Shri RR ji, > > That is the attitude one normally adopts when one does a free reading, > but one cannot just close his eyes and avoid being hurt. If a person > begs something from me and i put some coins in his bowl, and after 2 > minutes i see that person asking my wife for some money, i will surely > inform my wife that i have already paid the beggar, and you need not > pay. In same way its the duty of every astrologer to inform his > colleagues about some help given, so that advantage is not taken of, and > at the same time, duplication of efforts is not done. > > Unless we astrologers do not join together and be info- sharing, the > general lot of the public will keep on squeezing more and more from us. > My attempts are always in the directions to make this community of > astrologers a close knit one so that we do not disssipate our energies . > > I have always adopted this attitude as your goodself mentioned " Neki > kar dariya mein daal " , but over smartness from the person towards whom > neki is done, must be pointed out, is what I believe in. > > best regards, > > Bhaskar. , " Rohiniranjan " > <rohini_ranjan@ > wrote: > > > > It has been known for a long time on internet that individuals post > > queries on several sites simultaneously or within a few days > > particularly when readings are provided for free for a variety of > > reasons. > > > > There is nothing to avoid multiple requests in that situation and > > since most astrologers are too busy to read who responded > > (particularly when different sites are involved), the best approach > > for astrologers who wish to give free readings is the traditional > > saying: > > > > NEKI KAR KUAAIN MAY DAAL (give alms and do not look back as to what > > happened to it!) > > > > This also teaches the selfless astrologer (I assume that all astros > > that give free readings are karma yogis!) what Gita says as often > > quoted: Do the proper karma and do not worry about the result, > > consequences and rewards! > > > > The nativities that are giving " charity " as a remedial must adopt a > > similar attitude. If they do not, we will be hearing their complaints > > ad nauseum, ad infinitum... > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > rajiventerprises@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear astrologers, > > > > > > Before you answer this query, remember that another colleauge of > > your > > > has aready spent some time and energy and answered this in > > > Jyotish_Ganga. I have answered her just 2-3 days back. > > > > > > rest I leave to you whether you would like to duplicate the efforts > > and > > > override your colleagues hardwork.. > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Seema Shukla <seema41064@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Please guidr me > > > >  I am Seema shukla right now residing in Ahmedabad . I am > > > 44yearold .DOB  4/10/64 time > > > > of birth 20:14 hours place of birth Gorakhpur (UP) .my father was > > > working with UP govt in Medical & healthDept as gazzated officer .He > > > retired in 1992 . My only brother is working in Gujarat is a class 1 > > > officer (IPS) I have done MA in POLSc . I was married in 14/12/1996 > > > > to a Gujarati brahmin boy My husbands name is Nigam Shukla He is a > > > criminal Lawyer in Gujarat high court .His dob is 6/01/1959 time of > > > birth is 3:45am at Mumbai I have a 4 year old daughter > > (13/11/2004) . she > > > was borned after advanced medical treatment . I was physically & > > > mentally harassed from the very first day .In june 2005 I wa thrown > > out > > > by my husband But due to social pressure I was taken backon dec > > 2006 > > > Now since last 8-9 months aagain with my parents .Now I am running a > > > preprimary school in Gandhinagar with financial help of my > > father.imn > > > Gandhinagar since June2008 there also there is only investment > > with > > > no profit .My hus band has an elder brother staying in USA His > > mother > > > expired in 1972 on third day of holi .Mine was arranged marriage . > > Now I > > > dont want to go back & be on my own my daughter is staying with him > > > Where will she stay afterwards . > > > > What will happen of the school I have started > > > > --- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ms. Shaillasharma ji, > > > > > > > > I tried to search in the group for the original query mail and > > > original > > > > prediction.. ..could not find it....can you please share it...it > > would > > > be > > > > education for all amateurs i.e. give me message number..... > > > > > > > > with regards, > > > > > > > > Sreeram_Srinivas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! 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Guest guest Posted November 9, 2008 Report Share Posted November 9, 2008 Seema, 1st I am happy that u have admitted to posting in 3 and now 2 more a catch here tho how can u relate what is the right answer for u? the doc u treated ur daughter must be known 2u else who will wait for 2.5laks to be in suspense? all of them have also paid heavy fees to come this far may be donations too. Well let us know if the 5 did not satisfy u and why will try to step in witha answer then only. if u r looking to hear what u want to hear only then u may be disappointed with many more place u post so if u r ready to see, accept and move on in life if the readings differ from ur expectations u must be gracious and strong enuf to do it REMEMBER EXPECTATIONS IS not WRONG WHAT U EXPECT may be WRONG. IF U GET THIS U R ON THE COURSE TO A RIGHT ANSWER. prashant I use BV Raman & #39;s Ayanamsa=Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman & #39;s. NONE OTHER. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. ________________________________ Seema Shukla <seema41064 Sunday, November 9, 2008 9:58:07 PM Re: My Future 9/11 Good Evening and Namaste Thanks for your letter . Sir I do thank people when they do my work whether they charge money or not You can Enquire Mr. Bhaskar for that This is the 3rd fo rum I have logged in for the query . Basically I have logged today 2 more.Actually I was not very satisfied I wanted to know how my school buisness will go. Secondly my minor daughter is staying with me upto the time she is minor no body can claim her because she is a girl & she needs mother But fewpeople say that when she will grow She will be taken by my husband. I dont want that. Secondly Sir the money charging part .Sir I am not exxagereting my self when my daughter was borned she was kept in neonatal section due to major Complications .The total fees wad more than2.25lacs But I paid half same way till now I had not paid asingle penny to her paeditrician. Even when my Father was in job many benefits were there .Now my brother is there . & sir If you want to charge & iam satisfied I am ready to pay Money is not the sole thing atleast for me sir Thanks & regards I f you feel to answer than only answer there is no compulsion from my side. I f you will not reply back than also there will be no malafied views from my side Good Night --- On Sun, 9/11/08, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > wrote: Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > Re: My Future 9/11 Sunday, 9 November, 2008, 3:37 PM Seema Can u say honesly how many forums u had posted and how many replies u got [did u thank tnem too] personally there is no harm in seeking a 2nd view more often in the same group itself u may get more than one else just one or towo more and waiting for sometime to see its outcome is important i had pointed a few names no one seems to ntice Kumar rajeev, anil kumar reddy, kiran, ice_maiden, prashant_dixit etc who post in so many forums do they have time to go back and see all these groups- I DON'T SO THEY SURELY WILL NOT THAN K ASTROLOGERS WHO READ THEIR CASE if such people r there and if u r not guilty like the ones I listed u may unwittingly get into such peoples league personally there is no problem seeking a 2nd vieew from anyone like we see Doctors or layers like it but there we do pay something to them too if it was also free like this surely ppl will flood doctores too like this with as many free check ups and deprive the time for others. in the quees coming 1st time. Best wishes prashant I use BV Raman & #39;s Ayanamsa=Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman & #39;s. NONE OTHER. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. ____________ _________ _________ __ Seema Shukla <seema41064@ . in> Saturday, November 8, 2008 9:51:45 PM Re: My Future With due respect sir I am not pratiscing by gathering allthe information from all the astrologers & passing as prediction as of my own untill & unless you know the person personally none can decide the particular nature secondly If you go & consult a doctor always it is adviced to take a second opinion --- On Sat, 8/11/08, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> wrote: Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> Re: My Future Saturday, 8 November, 2008, 3:52 PM Bhaskar bhai, I understand your position and indeed have experienced similar feelings of being offended, being taken advantage of, in a sense wasting a good chunk of time when running into such individuals. However, not all of them -- I realized later on -- are callous or careless. Some are purely devoid of hopefulness and in panic and even somewhat " disturbed " (no other way to say it!). Then there are those that are bitter and sceptical and just into what surges from time to time, which I call, " Bash the astrologer " urges! Also there are scouts and self-appointed quality control inspectors who try to use these forums as " test the astrologer " . Some of the astrologers are not above that either as we all know. And as some individuals had earlier indicated through some research and detection that some of the requests are placed by what can only be called Astrology brokers. They take it upon their good-selves to collect readings and pass those on to the nativity presumably as if they themselves gave the reading. Archives on this forum from a few years ago would clearly highlight those discussions. As to astrologers joining hands and becoming one -- that is a very desirable and commendable goal and one that is very close to my heart and though I have managed to do that to a small extent only, the multidisciplinary, eclectic approach to divination is possible as I have seen and helped on several fora but becomes difficult to sustain perhaps because of some natural selection or something else! So given all that and more, what is one to do, to keep serving the craft of divination that is so dear to our hearts and soul? Perhaps it is the karma/lesson for all of us astrologers to learn that we must realize that really we are not the creators of the message that we convey to the nativity but merely presenters. By this I should not be misunderstood for saying that astrologers use intuition alone or channel *entities* for producing their oracle. No, there is a lot of technique and interpretation involved. Our learning and realizing this would lead us to have a certain detachment from the noble but still self-absorbed mental attitude of having helped someone and feeling 'great' through doing so. Constantly practicing this takes the edge and pain away from the feeling of being cheated through the ungratefulness of those we tried to help. Sorry for the long-winded post which readers may or may not relate to. I would not feel offended if latter is the case :-) Namastay Rohiniranjan , " Bhaskar " <rajiventerprises@ ...> wrote: > > > Dear Shri RR ji, > > That is the attitude one normally adopts when one does a free reading, > but one cannot just close his eyes and avoid being hurt. If a person > begs something from me and i put some coins in his bowl, and after 2 > minutes i see that person asking my wife for some money, i will surely > inform my wife that i have already paid the beggar, and you need not > pay. In same way its the duty of every astrologer to inform his > colleagues about some help given, so that advantage is not taken of, and > at the same time, duplication of efforts is not done. > > Unless we astrologers do not join together and be info- sharing, the > general lot of the public will keep on squeezing more and more from us. > My attempts are always in the directions to make this community of > astrologers a close knit one so that we do not disssipate our energies . > > I have always adopted this attitude as your goodself mentioned " Neki > kar dariya mein daal " , but over smartness from the person towards whom > neki is done, must be pointed out, is what I believe in. > > best regards, > > Bhaskar. , " Rohiniranjan " > <rohini_ranjan@ > wrote: > > > > It has been known for a long time on internet that individuals post > > queries on several sites simultaneously or within a few days > > particularly when readings are provided for free for a variety of > > reasons. > > > > There is nothing to avoid multiple requests in that situation and > > since most astrologers are too busy to read who responded > > (particularly when different sites are involved), the best approach > > for astrologers who wish to give free readings is the traditional > > saying: > > > > NEKI KAR KUAAIN MAY DAAL (give alms and do not look back as to what > > happened to it!) > > > > This also teaches the selfless astrologer (I assume that all astros > > that give free readings are karma yogis!) what Gita says as often > > quoted: Do the proper karma and do not worry about the result, > > consequences and rewards! > > > > The nativities that are giving " charity " as a remedial must adopt a > > similar attitude. If they do not, we will be hearing their complaints > > ad nauseum, ad infinitum... > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > rajiventerprises@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear astrologers, > > > > > > Before you answer this query, remember that another colleauge of > > your > > > has aready spent some time and energy and answered this in > > > Jyotish_Ganga. I have answered her just 2-3 days back. > > > > > > rest I leave to you whether you would like to duplicate the efforts > > and > > > override your colleagues hardwork.. > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Seema Shukla <seema41064@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Please guidr me > > > >  I am Seema shukla right now residing in Ahmedabad . I am > > > 44yearold .DOB  4/10/64 time > > > > of birth 20:14 hours place of birth Gorakhpur (UP) .my father was > > > working with UP govt in Medical & healthDept as gazzated officer .He > > > retired in 1992 . My only brother is working in Gujarat is a class 1 > > > officer (IPS) I have done MA in POLSc . I was married in 14/12/1996 > > > > to a Gujarati brahmin boy My husbands name is Nigam Shukla He is a > > > criminal Lawyer in Gujarat high court .His dob is 6/01/1959 time of > > > birth is 3:45am at Mumbai I have a 4 year old daughter > > (13/11/2004) . she > > > was borned after advanced medical treatment . I was physically & > > > mentally harassed from the very first day .In june 2005 I wa thrown > > out > > > by my husband But due to social pressure I was taken backon dec > > 2006 > > > Now since last 8-9 months aagain with my parents .Now I am running a > > > preprimary school in Gandhinagar with financial help of my > > father.imn > > > Gandhinagar since June2008 there also there is only investment > > with > > > no profit .My hus band has an elder brother staying in USA His > > mother > > > expired in 1972 on third day of holi .Mine was arranged marriage . > > Now I > > > dont want to go back & be on my own my daughter is staying with him > > > Where will she stay afterwards . > > > > What will happen of the school I have started > > > > --- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ms. Shaillasharma ji, > > > > > > > > I tried to search in the group for the original query mail and > > > original > > > > prediction.. ..could not find it....can you please share it...it > > would > > > be > > > > education for all amateurs i.e. give me message number..... > > > > > > > > with regards, > > > > > > > > Sreeram_Srinivas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! 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Guest guest Posted November 10, 2008 Report Share Posted November 10, 2008 good after noon sir     It is not the matter of satisfaction . It is personall attitude also It is not so that a very hifi doctor can cure  evaey disease .or ram Jrthmalani can solve every case in Supreme Court  Secondly sir for an example you are very good friend of mine If I go to another person & talk then why you fell jealous If it is so the problem lies with in you And especially when a people of such calibre do like this do then I feel that it s useless what talking for money always There are many things apart from financil things Then it is some thing inside that luring people towards you by telling some thing adding free advice .Just big malls & shops putting a tag of free tag   I AM VERY SORRY IF I HAVE OFFENDED YOU. One thing I tell you sir That I never tell alie . Even my opponents tell this on my back And whatever help I can provide to others I help but with in my means . Sir talking about Slashing of hospital fees It is abig hospital(STERLING() & is not owened by any onr person Sir when any one is going through bad face of life HE/SHE thinks to get help from any where   sorry for taking your valuable time  Thanks & regards --- On Sun, 9/11/08, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar Re: My Future 9/11 Sunday, 9 November, 2008, 5:29 PM Seema, 1st I am happy that u have admitted to posting in 3 and now 2 more a catch here tho how can u relate what is the right answer for u? the doc u treated ur daughter must be known 2u else who will wait for 2.5laks to be in suspense? all of them have also paid heavy fees to come this far may be donations too. Well let us know if the 5 did not satisfy u and why will try to step in witha answer then only. if u r looking to hear what u want to hear only then u may be disappointed with many more place u post so if u r ready to see, accept and move on in life if the readings differ from ur expectations u must be gracious and strong enuf to do it REMEMBER EXPECTATIONS IS not WRONG WHAT U EXPECT may be WRONG. IF U GET THIS U R ON THE COURSE TO A RIGHT ANSWER. prashant I use BV Raman & #39;s Ayanamsa=Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman & #39;s. NONE OTHER. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. ____________ _________ _________ __ Seema Shukla <seema41064 (AT) (DOT) in> Sunday, November 9, 2008 9:58:07 PM Re: My Future 9/11 Good Evening and Namaste Thanks for your letter . Sir I do thank people when they do my work whether they charge money or not You can Enquire Mr. Bhaskar for that This is the 3rd fo rum I have logged in for the query . Basically I have logged today 2 more.Actually I was not very satisfied I wanted to know how my school buisness will go. Secondly my minor daughter is staying with me upto the time she is minor no body can claim her because she is a girl & she needs mother But fewpeople say that when she will grow She will be taken by my husband. I dont want that. Secondly Sir the money charging part .Sir I am not exxagereting my self when my daughter was borned she was kept in neonatal section due to major Complications ..The total fees wad more than2.25lacs But I paid half same way till now I had not paid asingle penny to her paeditrician. Even when my Father was in job many benefits were there .Now my brother is there . & sir If you want to charge & iam satisfied I am ready to pay Money is not the sole thing atleast for me sir Thanks & regards I f you feel to answer than only answer there is no compulsion from my side.. I f you will not reply back than also there will be no malafied views from my side Good Night --- On Sun, 9/11/08, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > wrote: Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > Re: My Future 9/11 Sunday, 9 November, 2008, 3:37 PM Seema Can u say honesly how many forums u had posted and how many replies u got [did u thank tnem too] personally there is no harm in seeking a 2nd view more often in the same group itself u may get more than one else just one or towo more and waiting for sometime to see its outcome is important i had pointed a few names no one seems to ntice Kumar rajeev, anil kumar reddy, kiran, ice_maiden, prashant_dixit etc who post in so many forums do they have time to go back and see all these groups- I DON'T SO THEY SURELY WILL NOT THAN K ASTROLOGERS WHO READ THEIR CASE if such people r there and if u r not guilty like the ones I listed u may unwittingly get into such peoples league personally there is no problem seeking a 2nd vieew from anyone like we see Doctors or layers like it but there we do pay something to them too if it was also free like this surely ppl will flood doctores too like this with as many free check ups and deprive the time for others. in the quees coming 1st time. Best wishes prashant I use BV Raman & #39;s Ayanamsa=Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman & #39;s. NONE OTHER. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. ____________ _________ _________ __ Seema Shukla <seema41064@ . in> Saturday, November 8, 2008 9:51:45 PM Re: My Future With due respect sir I am not pratiscing by gathering allthe information from all the astrologers & passing as prediction as of my own untill & unless you know the person personally none can decide the particular nature secondly If you go & consult a doctor always it is adviced to take a second opinion --- On Sat, 8/11/08, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> wrote: Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> Re: My Future Saturday, 8 November, 2008, 3:52 PM Bhaskar bhai, I understand your position and indeed have experienced similar feelings of being offended, being taken advantage of, in a sense wasting a good chunk of time when running into such individuals. However, not all of them -- I realized later on -- are callous or careless. Some are purely devoid of hopefulness and in panic and even somewhat " disturbed " (no other way to say it!). Then there are those that are bitter and sceptical and just into what surges from time to time, which I call, " Bash the astrologer " urges! Also there are scouts and self-appointed quality control inspectors who try to use these forums as " test the astrologer " . Some of the astrologers are not above that either as we all know. And as some individuals had earlier indicated through some research and detection that some of the requests are placed by what can only be called Astrology brokers. They take it upon their good-selves to collect readings and pass those on to the nativity presumably as if they themselves gave the reading. Archives on this forum from a few years ago would clearly highlight those discussions. As to astrologers joining hands and becoming one -- that is a very desirable and commendable goal and one that is very close to my heart and though I have managed to do that to a small extent only, the multidisciplinary, eclectic approach to divination is possible as I have seen and helped on several fora but becomes difficult to sustain perhaps because of some natural selection or something else! So given all that and more, what is one to do, to keep serving the craft of divination that is so dear to our hearts and soul? Perhaps it is the karma/lesson for all of us astrologers to learn that we must realize that really we are not the creators of the message that we convey to the nativity but merely presenters. By this I should not be misunderstood for saying that astrologers use intuition alone or channel *entities* for producing their oracle. No, there is a lot of technique and interpretation involved. Our learning and realizing this would lead us to have a certain detachment from the noble but still self-absorbed mental attitude of having helped someone and feeling 'great' through doing so. Constantly practicing this takes the edge and pain away from the feeling of being cheated through the ungratefulness of those we tried to help. Sorry for the long-winded post which readers may or may not relate to. I would not feel offended if latter is the case :-) Namastay Rohiniranjan , " Bhaskar " <rajiventerprises@ ...> wrote: > > > Dear Shri RR ji, > > That is the attitude one normally adopts when one does a free reading, > but one cannot just close his eyes and avoid being hurt. If a person > begs something from me and i put some coins in his bowl, and after 2 > minutes i see that person asking my wife for some money, i will surely > inform my wife that i have already paid the beggar, and you need not > pay. In same way its the duty of every astrologer to inform his > colleagues about some help given, so that advantage is not taken of, and > at the same time, duplication of efforts is not done. > > Unless we astrologers do not join together and be info- sharing, the > general lot of the public will keep on squeezing more and more from us. > My attempts are always in the directions to make this community of > astrologers a close knit one so that we do not disssipate our energies . > > I have always adopted this attitude as your goodself mentioned " Neki > kar dariya mein daal " , but over smartness from the person towards whom > neki is done, must be pointed out, is what I believe in. > > best regards, > > Bhaskar. , " Rohiniranjan " > <rohini_ranjan@ > wrote: > > > > It has been known for a long time on internet that individuals post > > queries on several sites simultaneously or within a few days > > particularly when readings are provided for free for a variety of > > reasons. > > > > There is nothing to avoid multiple requests in that situation and > > since most astrologers are too busy to read who responded > > (particularly when different sites are involved), the best approach > > for astrologers who wish to give free readings is the traditional > > saying: > > > > NEKI KAR KUAAIN MAY DAAL (give alms and do not look back as to what > > happened to it!) > > > > This also teaches the selfless astrologer (I assume that all astros > > that give free readings are karma yogis!) what Gita says as often > > quoted: Do the proper karma and do not worry about the result, > > consequences and rewards! > > > > The nativities that are giving " charity " as a remedial must adopt a > > similar attitude. If they do not, we will be hearing their complaints > > ad nauseum, ad infinitum... > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > rajiventerprises@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear astrologers, > > > > > > Before you answer this query, remember that another colleauge of > > your > > > has aready spent some time and energy and answered this in > > > Jyotish_Ganga. I have answered her just 2-3 days back. > > > > > > rest I leave to you whether you would like to duplicate the efforts > > and > > > override your colleagues hardwork.. > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Seema Shukla <seema41064@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Please guidr me > > > >  I am Seema shukla right now residing in Ahmedabad . I am > > > 44yearold .DOB  4/10/64 time > > > > of birth 20:14 hours place of birth Gorakhpur (UP) .my father was > > > working with UP govt in Medical & healthDept as gazzated officer .He > > > retired in 1992 . My only brother is working in Gujarat is a class 1 > > > officer (IPS) I have done MA in POLSc . I was married in 14/12/1996 > > > > to a Gujarati brahmin boy My husbands name is Nigam Shukla He is a > > > criminal Lawyer in Gujarat high court .His dob is 6/01/1959 time of > > > birth is 3:45am at Mumbai I have a 4 year old daughter > > (13/11/2004) . she > > > was borned after advanced medical treatment . I was physically & > > > mentally harassed from the very first day .In june 2005 I wa thrown > > out > > > by my husband But due to social pressure I was taken backon dec > > 2006 > > > Now since last 8-9 months aagain with my parents .Now I am running a > > > preprimary school in Gandhinagar with financial help of my > > father.imn > > > Gandhinagar since June2008 there also there is only investment > > with > > > no profit .My hus band has an elder brother staying in USA His > > mother > > > expired in 1972 on third day of holi .Mine was arranged marriage . > > Now I > > > dont want to go back & be on my own my daughter is staying with him > > > Where will she stay afterwards . > > > > What will happen of the school I have started > > > > --- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ms. Shaillasharma ji, > > > > > > > > I tried to search in the group for the original query mail and > > > original > > > > prediction.. ..could not find it....can you please share it...it > > would > > > be > > > > education for all amateurs i.e. give me message number..... > > > > > > > > with regards, > > > > > > > > Sreeram_Srinivas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! 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Guest guest Posted November 10, 2008 Report Share Posted November 10, 2008 Seema don't get confused the point is if u post in many places do u also check all of them at all? u may really be missing the good ones like a needle in a haystack is the point and as said if the replies u got and u post them that it faield sure;ly we will help u I am not against anyone seeking more than one view, may be make it clear u want as man y from the views as possible it can help ppl atempting it to reply or now I have replied to cases even if someone else has if the topic/questions is sensitive and needs more answers say health,, serious financial crisis, longevity etc. Best wishes prashant I use BV Raman & #39;s Ayanamsa=Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman & #39;s. NONE OTHER. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. ________________________________ Seema Shukla <seema41064 Monday, November 10, 2008 3:54:01 PM Re: My Future 9/11 good after noon sir It is not the matter of satisfaction . It is personall attitude also It is not so that a very hifi doctor can cure evaey disease .or ram Jrthmalani can solve every case in Supreme Court Secondly sir for an example you are very good friend of mine If I go to another person & talk then why you fell jealous If it is so the problem lies with in you And especially when a people of such calibre do like this do then I feel that it s useless what talking for money always There are many things apart from financil things Then it is some thing inside that luring people towards you by telling some thing adding free advice .Just big malls & shops putting a tag of free tag I AM VERY SORRY IF I HAVE OFFENDED YOU. One thing I tell you sir That I never tell alie . Even my opponents tell this on my back And whatever help I can provide to others I help but with in my means . Sir talking about Slashing of hospital fees It is abig hospital(STERLING( ) & is not owened by any onr person Sir when any one is going through bad face of life HE/SHE thinks to get help from any where sorry for taking your valuable time Thanks & regards --- On Sun, 9/11/08, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > wrote: Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > Re: My Future 9/11 Sunday, 9 November, 2008, 5:29 PM Seema, 1st I am happy that u have admitted to posting in 3 and now 2 more a catch here tho how can u relate what is the right answer for u? the doc u treated ur daughter must be known 2u else who will wait for 2.5laks to be in suspense? all of them have also paid heavy fees to come this far may be donations too. Well let us know if the 5 did not satisfy u and why will try to step in witha answer then only. if u r looking to hear what u want to hear only then u may be disappointed with many more place u post so if u r ready to see, accept and move on in life if the readings differ from ur expectations u must be gracious and strong enuf to do it REMEMBER EXPECTATIONS IS not WRONG WHAT U EXPECT may be WRONG. IF U GET THIS U R ON THE COURSE TO A RIGHT ANSWER. prashant I use BV Raman & #39;s Ayanamsa=Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman & #39;s. NONE OTHER. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. ____________ _________ _________ __ Seema Shukla <seema41064@ . in> Sunday, November 9, 2008 9:58:07 PM Re: My Future 9/11 Good Evening and Namaste Thanks for your letter . Sir I do thank people when they do my work whether they charge money or not You can Enquire Mr. Bhaskar for that This is the 3rd fo rum I have logged in for the query . Basically I have logged today 2 more.Actually I was not very satisfied I wanted to know how my school buisness will go. Secondly my minor daughter is staying with me upto the time she is minor no body can claim her because she is a girl & she needs mother But fewpeople say that when she will grow She will be taken by my husband. I dont want that. Secondly Sir the money charging part .Sir I am not exxagereting my self when my daughter was borned she was kept in neonatal section due to major Complications ..The total fees wad more than2.25lacs But I paid half same way till now I had not paid asingle penny to her paeditrician. Even when my Father was in job many benefits were there .Now my brother is there . & sir If you want to charge & iam satisfied I am ready to pay Money is not the sole thing atleast for me sir Thanks & regards I f you feel to answer than only answer there is no compulsion from my side.. I f you will not reply back than also there will be no malafied views from my side Good Night --- On Sun, 9/11/08, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > wrote: Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > Re: My Future 9/11 Sunday, 9 November, 2008, 3:37 PM Seema Can u say honesly how many forums u had posted and how many replies u got [did u thank tnem too] personally there is no harm in seeking a 2nd view more often in the same group itself u may get more than one else just one or towo more and waiting for sometime to see its outcome is important i had pointed a few names no one seems to ntice Kumar rajeev, anil kumar reddy, kiran, ice_maiden, prashant_dixit etc who post in so many forums do they have time to go back and see all these groups- I DON'T SO THEY SURELY WILL NOT THAN K ASTROLOGERS WHO READ THEIR CASE if such people r there and if u r not guilty like the ones I listed u may unwittingly get into such peoples league personally there is no problem seeking a 2nd vieew from anyone like we see Doctors or layers like it but there we do pay something to them too if it was also free like this surely ppl will flood doctores too like this with as many free check ups and deprive the time for others. in the quees coming 1st time. Best wishes prashant I use BV Raman & #39;s Ayanamsa=Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman & #39;s. NONE OTHER. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. ____________ _________ _________ __ Seema Shukla <seema41064@ . in> Saturday, November 8, 2008 9:51:45 PM Re: My Future With due respect sir I am not pratiscing by gathering allthe information from all the astrologers & passing as prediction as of my own untill & unless you know the person personally none can decide the particular nature secondly If you go & consult a doctor always it is adviced to take a second opinion --- On Sat, 8/11/08, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> wrote: Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> Re: My Future Saturday, 8 November, 2008, 3:52 PM Bhaskar bhai, I understand your position and indeed have experienced similar feelings of being offended, being taken advantage of, in a sense wasting a good chunk of time when running into such individuals. However, not all of them -- I realized later on -- are callous or careless. Some are purely devoid of hopefulness and in panic and even somewhat " disturbed " (no other way to say it!). Then there are those that are bitter and sceptical and just into what surges from time to time, which I call, " Bash the astrologer " urges! Also there are scouts and self-appointed quality control inspectors who try to use these forums as " test the astrologer " . Some of the astrologers are not above that either as we all know. And as some individuals had earlier indicated through some research and detection that some of the requests are placed by what can only be called Astrology brokers. They take it upon their good-selves to collect readings and pass those on to the nativity presumably as if they themselves gave the reading. Archives on this forum from a few years ago would clearly highlight those discussions. As to astrologers joining hands and becoming one -- that is a very desirable and commendable goal and one that is very close to my heart and though I have managed to do that to a small extent only, the multidisciplinary, eclectic approach to divination is possible as I have seen and helped on several fora but becomes difficult to sustain perhaps because of some natural selection or something else! So given all that and more, what is one to do, to keep serving the craft of divination that is so dear to our hearts and soul? Perhaps it is the karma/lesson for all of us astrologers to learn that we must realize that really we are not the creators of the message that we convey to the nativity but merely presenters. By this I should not be misunderstood for saying that astrologers use intuition alone or channel *entities* for producing their oracle. No, there is a lot of technique and interpretation involved. Our learning and realizing this would lead us to have a certain detachment from the noble but still self-absorbed mental attitude of having helped someone and feeling 'great' through doing so. Constantly practicing this takes the edge and pain away from the feeling of being cheated through the ungratefulness of those we tried to help. Sorry for the long-winded post which readers may or may not relate to. I would not feel offended if latter is the case :-) Namastay Rohiniranjan , " Bhaskar " <rajiventerprises@ ...> wrote: > > > Dear Shri RR ji, > > That is the attitude one normally adopts when one does a free reading, > but one cannot just close his eyes and avoid being hurt. If a person > begs something from me and i put some coins in his bowl, and after 2 > minutes i see that person asking my wife for some money, i will surely > inform my wife that i have already paid the beggar, and you need not > pay. In same way its the duty of every astrologer to inform his > colleagues about some help given, so that advantage is not taken of, and > at the same time, duplication of efforts is not done. > > Unless we astrologers do not join together and be info- sharing, the > general lot of the public will keep on squeezing more and more from us. > My attempts are always in the directions to make this community of > astrologers a close knit one so that we do not disssipate our energies . > > I have always adopted this attitude as your goodself mentioned " Neki > kar dariya mein daal " , but over smartness from the person towards whom > neki is done, must be pointed out, is what I believe in. > > best regards, > > Bhaskar. , " Rohiniranjan " > <rohini_ranjan@ > wrote: > > > > It has been known for a long time on internet that individuals post > > queries on several sites simultaneously or within a few days > > particularly when readings are provided for free for a variety of > > reasons. > > > > There is nothing to avoid multiple requests in that situation and > > since most astrologers are too busy to read who responded > > (particularly when different sites are involved), the best approach > > for astrologers who wish to give free readings is the traditional > > saying: > > > > NEKI KAR KUAAIN MAY DAAL (give alms and do not look back as to what > > happened to it!) > > > > This also teaches the selfless astrologer (I assume that all astros > > that give free readings are karma yogis!) what Gita says as often > > quoted: Do the proper karma and do not worry about the result, > > consequences and rewards! > > > > The nativities that are giving " charity " as a remedial must adopt a > > similar attitude. If they do not, we will be hearing their complaints > > ad nauseum, ad infinitum... > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > rajiventerprises@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear astrologers, > > > > > > Before you answer this query, remember that another colleauge of > > your > > > has aready spent some time and energy and answered this in > > > Jyotish_Ganga. I have answered her just 2-3 days back. > > > > > > rest I leave to you whether you would like to duplicate the efforts > > and > > > override your colleagues hardwork.. > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Seema Shukla <seema41064@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Please guidr me > > > >  I am Seema shukla right now residing in Ahmedabad . I am > > > 44yearold .DOB  4/10/64 time > > > > of birth 20:14 hours place of birth Gorakhpur (UP) .my father was > > > working with UP govt in Medical & healthDept as gazzated officer .He > > > retired in 1992 . My only brother is working in Gujarat is a class 1 > > > officer (IPS) I have done MA in POLSc . I was married in 14/12/1996 > > > > to a Gujarati brahmin boy My husbands name is Nigam Shukla He is a > > > criminal Lawyer in Gujarat high court .His dob is 6/01/1959 time of > > > birth is 3:45am at Mumbai I have a 4 year old daughter > > (13/11/2004) . she > > > was borned after advanced medical treatment . I was physically & > > > mentally harassed from the very first day .In june 2005 I wa thrown > > out > > > by my husband But due to social pressure I was taken backon dec > > 2006 > > > Now since last 8-9 months aagain with my parents .Now I am running a > > > preprimary school in Gandhinagar with financial help of my > > father.imn > > > Gandhinagar since June2008 there also there is only investment > > with > > > no profit .My hus band has an elder brother staying in USA His > > mother > > > expired in 1972 on third day of holi .Mine was arranged marriage . > > Now I > > > dont want to go back & be on my own my daughter is staying with him > > > Where will she stay afterwards . > > > > What will happen of the school I have started > > > > --- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ms. Shaillasharma ji, > > > > > > > > I tried to search in the group for the original query mail and > > > original > > > > prediction.. ..could not find it....can you please share it...it > > would > > > be > > > > education for all amateurs i.e. give me message number..... > > > > > > > > with regards, > > > > > > > > Sreeram_Srinivas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! 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Guest guest Posted November 10, 2008 Report Share Posted November 10, 2008 Sorry sir if I had hurt you truely speaking only I have got 3 replies 1 from one of Mr. bhaskars disciple hHe told me that you carry one red handkercheif with you always .I know that one who is short tempered should avoid red colour So I am . Secondly Mr. Bhaskar adviced me to pray to any Goddess Sir I From last 12 years I am keeping fast of Navratri (of ramnavami aswell as of Dusshera) As wellas I eat only once in shravan month I also do gayatri mala & 2 malas from Durga sptashati. So I didnt heard some thing new .According to Mr. Bhaskar my bad phase is coming Sir I have already seen the worst phase I am staying with my 4 year old daughter with my parents Only I want to be successful inrunning of school & some rmedy for it . I know especially after tasting such a horrible married life my parents as well as my brother have provided me with every luxury .. But still I dont want to be burden on them through my life I want the solution & rameedy of that Sir may I tellyou that my brother is an IPS officer & my father was also class1 officer in UP state Govt. Then people only talking about fees & money doesnt looks appropriate . Every person is not same You cannot generalise every person with same rule & stick     Third of the person who predicted about me is some mahendra bhat of astro he advicsed me to put iron rings my second finger of my legs . This was some thing new but I read on Mr. Bhaskars site that fellow is a fraud lease advise me what should I do --- On Mon, 10/11/08, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar Re: My Future 9/11 Monday, 10 November, 2008, 4:17 PM Seema don't get confused the point is if u post in many places do u also check all of them at all? u may really be missing the good ones like a needle in a haystack is the point and as said if the replies u got and u post them that it faield sure;ly we will help u I am not against anyone seeking more than one view, may be make it clear u want as man y from the views as possible it can help ppl atempting it to reply or now I have replied to cases even if someone else has if the topic/questions is sensitive and needs more answers say health,, serious financial crisis, longevity etc. Best wishes prashant I use BV Raman & #39;s Ayanamsa=Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman & #39;s. NONE OTHER. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. ____________ _________ _________ __ Seema Shukla <seema41064 (AT) (DOT) in> Monday, November 10, 2008 3:54:01 PM Re: My Future 9/11 good after noon sir It is not the matter of satisfaction . It is personall attitude also It is not so that a very hifi doctor can cure evaey disease .or ram Jrthmalani can solve every case in Supreme Court Secondly sir for an example you are very good friend of mine If I go to another person & talk then why you fell jealous If it is so the problem lies with in you And especially when a people of such calibre do like this do then I feel that it s useless what talking for money always There are many things apart from financil things Then it is some thing inside that luring people towards you by telling some thing adding free advice .Just big malls & shops putting a tag of free tag I AM VERY SORRY IF I HAVE OFFENDED YOU. One thing I tell you sir That I never tell alie . Even my opponents tell this on my back And whatever help I can provide to others I help but with in my means . Sir talking about Slashing of hospital fees It is abig hospital(STERLING( ) & is not owened by any onr person Sir when any one is going through bad face of life HE/SHE thinks to get help from any where sorry for taking your valuable time Thanks & regards --- On Sun, 9/11/08, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > wrote: Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > Re: My Future 9/11 Sunday, 9 November, 2008, 5:29 PM Seema, 1st I am happy that u have admitted to posting in 3 and now 2 more a catch here tho how can u relate what is the right answer for u? the doc u treated ur daughter must be known 2u else who will wait for 2.5laks to be in suspense? all of them have also paid heavy fees to come this far may be donations too. Well let us know if the 5 did not satisfy u and why will try to step in witha answer then only. if u r looking to hear what u want to hear only then u may be disappointed with many more place u post so if u r ready to see, accept and move on in life if the readings differ from ur expectations u must be gracious and strong enuf to do it REMEMBER EXPECTATIONS IS not WRONG WHAT U EXPECT may be WRONG. IF U GET THIS U R ON THE COURSE TO A RIGHT ANSWER. prashant I use BV Raman & #39;s Ayanamsa=Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman & #39;s. NONE OTHER. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. ____________ _________ _________ __ Seema Shukla <seema41064@ . in> Sunday, November 9, 2008 9:58:07 PM Re: My Future 9/11 Good Evening and Namaste Thanks for your letter . Sir I do thank people when they do my work whether they charge money or not You can Enquire Mr. Bhaskar for that This is the 3rd fo rum I have logged in for the query . Basically I have logged today 2 more.Actually I was not very satisfied I wanted to know how my school buisness will go. Secondly my minor daughter is staying with me upto the time she is minor no body can claim her because she is a girl & she needs mother But fewpeople say that when she will grow She will be taken by my husband. I dont want that. Secondly Sir the money charging part .Sir I am not exxagereting my self when my daughter was borned she was kept in neonatal section due to major Complications ..The total fees wad more than2.25lacs But I paid half same way till now I had not paid asingle penny to her paeditrician. Even when my Father was in job many benefits were there .Now my brother is there . & sir If you want to charge & iam satisfied I am ready to pay Money is not the sole thing atleast for me sir Thanks & regards I f you feel to answer than only answer there is no compulsion from my side... I f you will not reply back than also there will be no malafied views from my side Good Night --- On Sun, 9/11/08, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > wrote: Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > Re: My Future 9/11 Sunday, 9 November, 2008, 3:37 PM Seema Can u say honesly how many forums u had posted and how many replies u got [did u thank tnem too] personally there is no harm in seeking a 2nd view more often in the same group itself u may get more than one else just one or towo more and waiting for sometime to see its outcome is important i had pointed a few names no one seems to ntice Kumar rajeev, anil kumar reddy, kiran, ice_maiden, prashant_dixit etc who post in so many forums do they have time to go back and see all these groups- I DON'T SO THEY SURELY WILL NOT THAN K ASTROLOGERS WHO READ THEIR CASE if such people r there and if u r not guilty like the ones I listed u may unwittingly get into such peoples league personally there is no problem seeking a 2nd vieew from anyone like we see Doctors or layers like it but there we do pay something to them too if it was also free like this surely ppl will flood doctores too like this with as many free check ups and deprive the time for others. in the quees coming 1st time. Best wishes prashant I use BV Raman & #39;s Ayanamsa=Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman & #39;s. NONE OTHER. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. ____________ _________ _________ __ Seema Shukla <seema41064@ . in> Saturday, November 8, 2008 9:51:45 PM Re: My Future With due respect sir I am not pratiscing by gathering allthe information from all the astrologers & passing as prediction as of my own untill & unless you know the person personally none can decide the particular nature secondly If you go & consult a doctor always it is adviced to take a second opinion --- On Sat, 8/11/08, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> wrote: Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> Re: My Future Saturday, 8 November, 2008, 3:52 PM Bhaskar bhai, I understand your position and indeed have experienced similar feelings of being offended, being taken advantage of, in a sense wasting a good chunk of time when running into such individuals. However, not all of them -- I realized later on -- are callous or careless. Some are purely devoid of hopefulness and in panic and even somewhat " disturbed " (no other way to say it!). Then there are those that are bitter and sceptical and just into what surges from time to time, which I call, " Bash the astrologer " urges! Also there are scouts and self-appointed quality control inspectors who try to use these forums as " test the astrologer " . Some of the astrologers are not above that either as we all know. And as some individuals had earlier indicated through some research and detection that some of the requests are placed by what can only be called Astrology brokers. They take it upon their good-selves to collect readings and pass those on to the nativity presumably as if they themselves gave the reading. Archives on this forum from a few years ago would clearly highlight those discussions. As to astrologers joining hands and becoming one -- that is a very desirable and commendable goal and one that is very close to my heart and though I have managed to do that to a small extent only, the multidisciplinary, eclectic approach to divination is possible as I have seen and helped on several fora but becomes difficult to sustain perhaps because of some natural selection or something else! So given all that and more, what is one to do, to keep serving the craft of divination that is so dear to our hearts and soul? Perhaps it is the karma/lesson for all of us astrologers to learn that we must realize that really we are not the creators of the message that we convey to the nativity but merely presenters. By this I should not be misunderstood for saying that astrologers use intuition alone or channel *entities* for producing their oracle. No, there is a lot of technique and interpretation involved. Our learning and realizing this would lead us to have a certain detachment from the noble but still self-absorbed mental attitude of having helped someone and feeling 'great' through doing so. Constantly practicing this takes the edge and pain away from the feeling of being cheated through the ungratefulness of those we tried to help. Sorry for the long-winded post which readers may or may not relate to. I would not feel offended if latter is the case :-) Namastay Rohiniranjan , " Bhaskar " <rajiventerprises@ ...> wrote: > > > Dear Shri RR ji, > > That is the attitude one normally adopts when one does a free reading, > but one cannot just close his eyes and avoid being hurt. If a person > begs something from me and i put some coins in his bowl, and after 2 > minutes i see that person asking my wife for some money, i will surely > inform my wife that i have already paid the beggar, and you need not > pay. In same way its the duty of every astrologer to inform his > colleagues about some help given, so that advantage is not taken of, and > at the same time, duplication of efforts is not done. > > Unless we astrologers do not join together and be info- sharing, the > general lot of the public will keep on squeezing more and more from us. > My attempts are always in the directions to make this community of > astrologers a close knit one so that we do not disssipate our energies . > > I have always adopted this attitude as your goodself mentioned " Neki > kar dariya mein daal " , but over smartness from the person towards whom > neki is done, must be pointed out, is what I believe in. > > best regards, > > Bhaskar. , " Rohiniranjan " > <rohini_ranjan@ > wrote: > > > > It has been known for a long time on internet that individuals post > > queries on several sites simultaneously or within a few days > > particularly when readings are provided for free for a variety of > > reasons. > > > > There is nothing to avoid multiple requests in that situation and > > since most astrologers are too busy to read who responded > > (particularly when different sites are involved), the best approach > > for astrologers who wish to give free readings is the traditional > > saying: > > > > NEKI KAR KUAAIN MAY DAAL (give alms and do not look back as to what > > happened to it!) > > > > This also teaches the selfless astrologer (I assume that all astros > > that give free readings are karma yogis!) what Gita says as often > > quoted: Do the proper karma and do not worry about the result, > > consequences and rewards! > > > > The nativities that are giving " charity " as a remedial must adopt a > > similar attitude. If they do not, we will be hearing their complaints > > ad nauseum, ad infinitum... > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > rajiventerprises@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear astrologers, > > > > > > Before you answer this query, remember that another colleauge of > > your > > > has aready spent some time and energy and answered this in > > > Jyotish_Ganga. I have answered her just 2-3 days back. > > > > > > rest I leave to you whether you would like to duplicate the efforts > > and > > > override your colleagues hardwork.. > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Seema Shukla <seema41064@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Please guidr me > > > >  I am Seema shukla right now residing in Ahmedabad . I am > > > 44yearold .DOB  4/10/64 time > > > > of birth 20:14 hours place of birth Gorakhpur (UP) .my father was > > > working with UP govt in Medical & healthDept as gazzated officer .He > > > retired in 1992 . My only brother is working in Gujarat is a class 1 > > > officer (IPS) I have done MA in POLSc . I was married in 14/12/1996 > > > > to a Gujarati brahmin boy My husbands name is Nigam Shukla He is a > > > criminal Lawyer in Gujarat high court .His dob is 6/01/1959 time of > > > birth is 3:45am at Mumbai I have a 4 year old daughter > > (13/11/2004) . she > > > was borned after advanced medical treatment . I was physically & > > > mentally harassed from the very first day .In june 2005 I wa thrown > > out > > > by my husband But due to social pressure I was taken backon dec > > 2006 > > > Now since last 8-9 months aagain with my parents .Now I am running a > > > preprimary school in Gandhinagar with financial help of my > > father.imn > > > Gandhinagar since June2008 there also there is only investment > > with > > > no profit .My hus band has an elder brother staying in USA His > > mother > > > expired in 1972 on third day of holi .Mine was arranged marriage . > > Now I > > > dont want to go back & be on my own my daughter is staying with him > > > Where will she stay afterwards . > > > > What will happen of the school I have started > > > > --- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ms. Shaillasharma ji, > > > > > > > > I tried to search in the group for the original query mail and > > > original > > > > prediction.. ..could not find it....can you please share it...it > > would > > > be > > > > education for all amateurs i.e. give me message number..... > > > > > > > > with regards, > > > > > > > > Sreeram_Srinivas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! 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Guest guest Posted November 10, 2008 Report Share Posted November 10, 2008 Seema, Nobody is a fool here. they know that you are tring to squeeze free predictions and talking all big. You said that free predictions are given to lure people like big companies and malls. You are absolutely right. When beggars who roam here and there for predictions and then talk big, take our time then we certainly have to resort to such tactics so that people will realise that there are tru astrologers who can actually predict, and from these beggars, some may be really self respecting people who will then ask for more and pay the fees to the astrologer who will then pay his monthly expenses from these fees. You say that finance is not everything. Talk all these stories with your little children. From morning tea, to evening dinner, everybody needs money. Yes, we have realised that you are no among those who will pay, and lets see who gives predictions to you, and stabs his colleagues in the back, in trying to impress a big talker like you. Bhaskar. , Seema Shukla <seema41064 wrote: > > good after noon sir >     It is not the matter of satisfaction . It is personall attitude also It is not so that a very hifi doctor can cure  evaey disease .or ram Jrthmalani can solve every case in Supreme Court >  Secondly sir for an example you are very good friend of mine If I go to another person & talk then why you fell jealous If it is so the problem lies with in you And especially when a people of such calibre do like this do then I feel that it s useless what talking for money always There are many things apart from financil things Then it is some thing inside that luring people towards you by telling some thing adding free advice .Just big malls & shops putting a tag of free tag >   I AM VERY SORRY IF I HAVE OFFENDED YOU. One thing I tell you sir That I never tell alie . Even my opponents tell this on my back And whatever help I can provide to others I help but with in my means . Sir talking about Slashing of hospital fees It is abig hospital(STERLING() & is not owened by any onr person Sir when any one is going through bad face of life HE/SHE thinks to get help from any where >   sorry for taking your valuable time >  Thanks & regards > --- On Sun, 9/11/08, Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar wrote: > > Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar > Re: My Future 9/11 > > Sunday, 9 November, 2008, 5:29 PM Seema, > > 1st I am happy that u have admitted to posting in 3 and now 2 more > > a catch here tho how can u relate what is the right answer for u? > the doc u treated ur daughter must be known 2u else who will wait for 2.5laks to be in suspense? all of them have also paid heavy fees to come this far may be donations too. > > Well let us know if the 5 did not satisfy u and why will try to step in witha answer then only. > > if u r looking to hear what u want to hear only then u may be disappointed with many more place u post so if u r ready to see, accept and move on in life if the readings differ from ur expectations u must be gracious and strong enuf to do it > > REMEMBER > > EXPECTATIONS IS not WRONG > > WHAT U EXPECT may be WRONG. > > IF U GET THIS U R ON THE COURSE TO A RIGHT ANSWER. > > prashant > > I use BV Raman & #39;s Ayanamsa=Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman & #39;s. NONE OTHER. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Seema Shukla seema41064 (AT) (DOT) in> > > Sunday, November 9, 2008 9:58:07 PM > Re: My Future 9/11 > > Good Evening and Namaste > Thanks for your letter . Sir I do thank people when they do my work whether they charge money or not You can Enquire Mr. Bhaskar for that This is the 3rd fo rum I have logged in for the query . Basically I have logged today 2 more.Actually I was not very satisfied I wanted to know how my school buisness will go. Secondly my minor daughter is staying with me upto the time she is minor no body can claim her because she is a girl & she needs mother But fewpeople say that when she will grow She will be taken by my husband. I dont want that. > Secondly Sir the money charging part .Sir I am not exxagereting my self when my daughter was borned she was kept in neonatal section due to major Complications .The total fees wad more than2.25lacs But I paid half same way till now I had not paid asingle penny to her paeditrician. Even when my Father was in job many benefits were there .Now my brother is there . & sir If you want to charge & iam satisfied I am ready to pay Money is not the sole thing atleast for me sir > Thanks & regards > I f you feel to answer than only answer there is no compulsion from my side.. I f you will not reply back than also there will be no malafied views from my side Good Night > > --- On Sun, 9/11/08, Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar > wrote: > > Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar > > Re: My Future 9/11 > > Sunday, 9 November, 2008, 3:37 PM > > Seema > > Can u say honesly how many forums u had posted and how many replies u got [did u thank tnem too] > > personally there is no harm in seeking a 2nd view more often in the same group itself u may get more than one else just one or towo more and waiting for sometime to see its outcome is important > > i had pointed a few names no one seems to ntice > > Kumar rajeev, anil kumar reddy, kiran, ice_maiden, prashant_dixit etc who post in so many forums > > do they have time to go back and see all these groups- I DON'T SO THEY SURELY WILL NOT THAN K ASTROLOGERS WHO READ THEIR CASE > > if such people r there and if u r not guilty like the ones I listed u may unwittingly get into such peoples league > > personally there is no problem seeking a 2nd vieew from anyone like we see Doctors or layers like it but there we do pay something to them too > > if it was also free like this surely ppl will flood doctores too like this with as many free check ups and deprive the time for others. > in the quees coming 1st time. > > Best wishes > > prashant > > I use BV Raman & #39;s Ayanamsa=Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman & #39;s. NONE OTHER. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Seema Shukla <seema41064@ . in> > > Saturday, November 8, 2008 9:51:45 PM > Re: My Future > > With due respect sir I am not pratiscing by gathering allthe information from all the astrologers & passing as prediction as of my own untill & unless you know the person personally none can decide the particular nature secondly If you go & consult a doctor always it is adviced to take a second opinion > > --- On Sat, 8/11/08, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> > Re: My Future > > Saturday, 8 November, 2008, 3:52 PM > > Bhaskar bhai, > > I understand your position and indeed have experienced similar > feelings of being offended, being taken advantage of, in a sense > wasting a good chunk of time when running into such individuals. > However, not all of them -- I realized later on -- are callous or > careless. Some are purely devoid of hopefulness and in panic and even > somewhat " disturbed " (no other way to say it!). > > Then there are those that are bitter and sceptical and just into what > surges from time to time, which I call, " Bash the astrologer " urges! > Also there are scouts and self-appointed quality control inspectors > who try to use these forums as " test the astrologer " . Some of the > astrologers are not above that either as we all know. And as some > individuals had earlier indicated through some research and detection > that some of the requests are placed by what can only be called > Astrology brokers. They take it upon their good-selves to collect > readings and pass those on to the nativity presumably as if they > themselves gave the reading. Archives on this forum from a few years > ago would clearly highlight those discussions. > > As to astrologers joining hands and becoming one -- that is a very > desirable and commendable goal and one that is very close to my heart > and though I have managed to do that to a small extent only, the > multidisciplinary, eclectic approach to divination is possible as I > have seen and helped on several fora but becomes difficult to sustain > perhaps because of some natural selection or something else! > > So given all that and more, what is one to do, to keep serving the > craft of divination that is so dear to our hearts and soul? Perhaps > it is the karma/lesson for all of us astrologers to learn that we > must realize that really we are not the creators of the message that > we convey to the nativity but merely presenters. By this I should not > be misunderstood for saying that astrologers use intuition alone or > channel *entities* for producing their oracle. No, there is a lot of > technique and interpretation involved. Our learning and realizing > this would lead us to have a certain detachment from the noble but > still self-absorbed mental attitude of having helped someone and > feeling 'great' through doing so. Constantly practicing this takes > the edge and pain away from the feeling of being cheated through the > ungratefulness of those we tried to help. > > Sorry for the long-winded post which readers may or may not relate > to. I would not feel offended if latter is the case :-) > > Namastay > > Rohiniranjan > > , " Bhaskar " > <rajiventerprises@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Shri RR ji, > > > > That is the attitude one normally adopts when one does a free > reading, > > but one cannot just close his eyes and avoid being hurt. If a person > > begs something from me and i put some coins in his bowl, and after 2 > > minutes i see that person asking my wife for some money, i will > surely > > inform my wife that i have already paid the beggar, and you need not > > pay. In same way its the duty of every astrologer to inform his > > colleagues about some help given, so that advantage is not taken > of, and > > at the same time, duplication of efforts is not done. > > > > Unless we astrologers do not join together and be info- sharing, the > > general lot of the public will keep on squeezing more and more from > us. > > My attempts are always in the directions to make this community of > > astrologers a close knit one so that we do not disssipate our > energies . > > > > I have always adopted this attitude as your goodself mentioned " > Neki > > kar dariya mein daal " , but over smartness from the person towards > whom > > neki is done, must be pointed out, is what I believe in. > > > > best regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > <rohini_ranjan@ > wrote: > > > > > > It has been known for a long time on internet that individuals > post > > > queries on several sites simultaneously or within a few days > > > particularly when readings are provided for free for a variety of > > > reasons. > > > > > > There is nothing to avoid multiple requests in that situation and > > > since most astrologers are too busy to read who responded > > > (particularly when different sites are involved), the best > approach > > > for astrologers who wish to give free readings is the traditional > > > saying: > > > > > > NEKI KAR KUAAIN MAY DAAL (give alms and do not look back as to > what > > > happened to it!) > > > > > > This also teaches the selfless astrologer (I assume that all > astros > > > that give free readings are karma yogis!) what Gita says as often > > > quoted: Do the proper karma and do not worry about the result, > > > consequences and rewards! > > > > > > The nativities that are giving " charity " as a remedial must adopt > a > > > similar attitude. If they do not, we will be hearing their > complaints > > > ad nauseum, ad infinitum... > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > rajiventerprises@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear astrologers, > > > > > > > > Before you answer this query, remember that another colleauge of > > > your > > > > has aready spent some time and energy and answered this in > > > > Jyotish_Ganga. I have answered her just 2-3 days back. > > > > > > > > rest I leave to you whether you would like to duplicate the > efforts > > > and > > > > override your colleagues hardwork.. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Seema Shukla > <seema41064@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please guidr me > > > > >  I am Seema shukla right now residing in Ahmedabad .. I am > > > > 44yearold .DOB  4/10/64 time > > > > > of birth 20:14 hours place of birth Gorakhpur (UP) .my father > was > > > > working with UP govt in Medical & healthDept as gazzated > officer .He > > > > retired in 1992 . My only brother is working in Gujarat is a > class 1 > > > > officer (IPS) I have done MA in POLSc . I was married in > 14/12/1996 > > > > > to a Gujarati brahmin boy My husbands name is Nigam Shukla He > is a > > > > criminal Lawyer in Gujarat high court .His dob is 6/01/1959 > time of > > > > birth is 3:45am at Mumbai I have a 4 year old daughter > > > (13/11/2004) . she > > > > was borned after advanced medical treatment . I was physically & > > > > mentally harassed from the very first day .In june 2005 I wa > thrown > > > out > > > > by my husband But due to social pressure I was taken backon dec > > > 2006 > > > > Now since last 8-9 months aagain with my parents .Now I am > running a > > > > preprimary school in Gandhinagar with financial help of my > > > father.imn > > > > Gandhinagar since June2008 there also there is only investment > > > with > > > > no profit .My hus band has an elder brother staying in USA His > > > mother > > > > expired in 1972 on third day of holi .Mine was arranged > marriage . > > > Now I > > > > dont want to go back & be on my own my daughter is staying with > him > > > > Where will she stay afterwards . > > > > > What will happen of the school I have started > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ms. Shaillasharma ji, > > > > > > > > > > I tried to search in the group for the original query mail and > > > > original > > > > > prediction.. ..could not find it....can you please share > it...it > > > would > > > > be > > > > > education for all amateurs i.e. give me message number..... > > > > > > > > > > with regards, > > > > > > > > > > Sreeram_Srinivas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! 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Guest guest Posted November 10, 2008 Report Share Posted November 10, 2008 Seema, Who is Bhaskars disciple ? I dont have a single discple, nor in the mood to make one, as of today. Or you know better than me ? You have written what Bhaskar has predicted for you, and want the others to talk on the same , and contradict, so that you get further leverage on your chart. We know all such tactics, and have gone through these much in the past. Nothing new for us. Just grab whatever you get for free, and go home, Do not try to pit one astrologer against another. We all have been through such games played by over smart people who wish to take predictions for free from every available astrologer. Bhaskar. , Seema Shukla <seema41064 wrote: > > Sorry sir if I had hurt you truely speaking only I have got 3 replies 1 from one of Mr. bhaskars disciple hHe told me that you carry one red handkercheif with you always .I know that one who is short tempered should avoid red colour So I am . Secondly Mr. Bhaskar adviced me to pray to any Goddess Sir I From last 12 years I am keeping fast of Navratri (of ramnavami aswell as of Dusshera) As wellas I eat only once in shravan month I also do gayatri mala & 2 malas from Durga sptashati. So I didnt heard some thing new .According to Mr. Bhaskar my bad phase is coming Sir I have already seen the worst phase I am staying with my 4 year old daughter with my parents Only I want to be successful inrunning of school & some rmedy for it . I know especially after tasting such a horrible married life my parents as well as my brother have provided me with every luxury . But still I dont want to be burden on them through my life I want the solution & rameedy of that > Sir may I tellyou that my brother is an IPS officer & my father was also class1 officer in UP state Govt. > Then people only talking about fees & money doesnt looks appropriate . Every person is not same You cannot generalise every person with same rule & stick >     Third of the person who predicted about me is some mahendra bhat of astro he advicsed me to put iron rings my second finger of my legs . This was some thing new but I read on Mr. Bhaskars site that fellow is a fraud > lease advise me what should I do > > --- On Mon, 10/11/08, Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar wrote: > > Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar > Re: My Future 9/11 > > Monday, 10 November, 2008, 4:17 PM Seema > > don't get confused > > the point is if u post in many places do u also check all of them at all? > > u may really be missing the good ones like a needle in a haystack is the point > > and as said if the replies u got and u post them that it faield sure;ly we will help u > > I am not against anyone seeking more than one view, may be make it clear u want as man y from the views as possible it can help ppl atempting it to reply or now I have replied to cases even if someone else has if the topic/questions is sensitive and needs more answers say health,, serious financial crisis, longevity etc. > > Best wishes > > prashant > > I use BV Raman & #39;s Ayanamsa=Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman & #39;s. NONE OTHER. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Seema Shukla seema41064 (AT) (DOT) in> > > Monday, November 10, 2008 3:54:01 PM > Re: My Future 9/11 > > good after noon sir > It is not the matter of satisfaction . It is personall attitude also It is not so that a very hifi doctor can cure evaey disease .or ram Jrthmalani can solve every case in Supreme Court > Secondly sir for an example you are very good friend of mine If I go to another person & talk then why you fell jealous If it is so the problem lies with in you And especially when a people of such calibre do like this do then I feel that it s useless what talking for money always There are many things apart from financil things Then it is some thing inside that luring people towards you by telling some thing adding free advice .Just big malls & shops putting a tag of free tag > I AM VERY SORRY IF I HAVE OFFENDED YOU. One thing I tell you sir That I never tell alie . Even my opponents tell this on my back And whatever help I can provide to others I help but with in my means . Sir talking about Slashing of hospital fees It is abig hospital(STERLING( ) & is not owened by any onr person Sir when any one is going through bad face of life HE/SHE thinks to get help from any where > sorry for taking your valuable time > Thanks & regards > --- On Sun, 9/11/08, Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar > wrote: > > Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar > > Re: My Future 9/11 > > Sunday, 9 November, 2008, 5:29 PM > > Seema, > > 1st I am happy that u have admitted to posting in 3 and now 2 more > > a catch here tho how can u relate what is the right answer for u? > the doc u treated ur daughter must be known 2u else who will wait for 2.5laks to be in suspense? all of them have also paid heavy fees to come this far may be donations too. > > Well let us know if the 5 did not satisfy u and why will try to step in witha answer then only. > > if u r looking to hear what u want to hear only then u may be disappointed with many more place u post so if u r ready to see, accept and move on in life if the readings differ from ur expectations u must be gracious and strong enuf to do it > > REMEMBER > > EXPECTATIONS IS not WRONG > > WHAT U EXPECT may be WRONG. > > IF U GET THIS U R ON THE COURSE TO A RIGHT ANSWER. > > prashant > > I use BV Raman & #39;s Ayanamsa=Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman & #39;s. NONE OTHER. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Seema Shukla <seema41064@ . in> > > Sunday, November 9, 2008 9:58:07 PM > Re: My Future 9/11 > > Good Evening and Namaste > Thanks for your letter . Sir I do thank people when they do my work whether they charge money or not You can Enquire Mr. Bhaskar for that This is the 3rd fo rum I have logged in for the query . Basically I have logged today 2 more.Actually I was not very satisfied I wanted to know how my school buisness will go. Secondly my minor daughter is staying with me upto the time she is minor no body can claim her because she is a girl & she needs mother But fewpeople say that when she will grow She will be taken by my husband. I dont want that. > Secondly Sir the money charging part .Sir I am not exxagereting my self when my daughter was borned she was kept in neonatal section due to major Complications .The total fees wad more than2.25lacs But I paid half same way till now I had not paid asingle penny to her paeditrician. Even when my Father was in job many benefits were there .Now my brother is there . & sir If you want to charge & iam satisfied I am ready to pay Money is not the sole thing atleast for me sir > Thanks & regards > I f you feel to answer than only answer there is no compulsion from my side... I f you will not reply back than also there will be no malafied views from my side Good Night > > --- On Sun, 9/11/08, Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar > wrote: > > Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar > > Re: My Future 9/11 > > Sunday, 9 November, 2008, 3:37 PM > > Seema > > Can u say honesly how many forums u had posted and how many replies u got [did u thank tnem too] > > personally there is no harm in seeking a 2nd view more often in the same group itself u may get more than one else just one or towo more and waiting for sometime to see its outcome is important > > i had pointed a few names no one seems to ntice > > Kumar rajeev, anil kumar reddy, kiran, ice_maiden, prashant_dixit etc who post in so many forums > > do they have time to go back and see all these groups- I DON'T SO THEY SURELY WILL NOT THAN K ASTROLOGERS WHO READ THEIR CASE > > if such people r there and if u r not guilty like the ones I listed u may unwittingly get into such peoples league > > personally there is no problem seeking a 2nd vieew from anyone like we see Doctors or layers like it but there we do pay something to them too > > if it was also free like this surely ppl will flood doctores too like this with as many free check ups and deprive the time for others. > in the quees coming 1st time. > > Best wishes > > prashant > > I use BV Raman & #39;s Ayanamsa=Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman & #39;s. NONE OTHER. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Seema Shukla <seema41064@ . in> > > Saturday, November 8, 2008 9:51:45 PM > Re: My Future > > With due respect sir I am not pratiscing by gathering allthe information from all the astrologers & passing as prediction as of my own untill & unless you know the person personally none can decide the particular nature secondly If you go & consult a doctor always it is adviced to take a second opinion > > --- On Sat, 8/11/08, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> > Re: My Future > > Saturday, 8 November, 2008, 3:52 PM > > Bhaskar bhai, > > I understand your position and indeed have experienced similar > feelings of being offended, being taken advantage of, in a sense > wasting a good chunk of time when running into such individuals. > However, not all of them -- I realized later on -- are callous or > careless. Some are purely devoid of hopefulness and in panic and even > somewhat " disturbed " (no other way to say it!). > > Then there are those that are bitter and sceptical and just into what > surges from time to time, which I call, " Bash the astrologer " urges! > Also there are scouts and self-appointed quality control inspectors > who try to use these forums as " test the astrologer " . Some of the > astrologers are not above that either as we all know. And as some > individuals had earlier indicated through some research and detection > that some of the requests are placed by what can only be called > Astrology brokers. They take it upon their good-selves to collect > readings and pass those on to the nativity presumably as if they > themselves gave the reading. Archives on this forum from a few years > ago would clearly highlight those discussions. > > As to astrologers joining hands and becoming one -- that is a very > desirable and commendable goal and one that is very close to my heart > and though I have managed to do that to a small extent only, the > multidisciplinary, eclectic approach to divination is possible as I > have seen and helped on several fora but becomes difficult to sustain > perhaps because of some natural selection or something else! > > So given all that and more, what is one to do, to keep serving the > craft of divination that is so dear to our hearts and soul? Perhaps > it is the karma/lesson for all of us astrologers to learn that we > must realize that really we are not the creators of the message that > we convey to the nativity but merely presenters. By this I should not > be misunderstood for saying that astrologers use intuition alone or > channel *entities* for producing their oracle. No, there is a lot of > technique and interpretation involved. Our learning and realizing > this would lead us to have a certain detachment from the noble but > still self-absorbed mental attitude of having helped someone and > feeling 'great' through doing so. Constantly practicing this takes > the edge and pain away from the feeling of being cheated through the > ungratefulness of those we tried to help. > > Sorry for the long-winded post which readers may or may not relate > to. I would not feel offended if latter is the case :-) > > Namastay > > Rohiniranjan > > , " Bhaskar " > <rajiventerprises@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Shri RR ji, > > > > That is the attitude one normally adopts when one does a free > reading, > > but one cannot just close his eyes and avoid being hurt. If a person > > begs something from me and i put some coins in his bowl, and after 2 > > minutes i see that person asking my wife for some money, i will > surely > > inform my wife that i have already paid the beggar, and you need not > > pay. In same way its the duty of every astrologer to inform his > > colleagues about some help given, so that advantage is not taken > of, and > > at the same time, duplication of efforts is not done. > > > > Unless we astrologers do not join together and be info- sharing, the > > general lot of the public will keep on squeezing more and more from > us. > > My attempts are always in the directions to make this community of > > astrologers a close knit one so that we do not disssipate our > energies . > > > > I have always adopted this attitude as your goodself mentioned " > Neki > > kar dariya mein daal " , but over smartness from the person towards > whom > > neki is done, must be pointed out, is what I believe in. > > > > best regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > <rohini_ranjan@ > wrote: > > > > > > It has been known for a long time on internet that individuals > post > > > queries on several sites simultaneously or within a few days > > > particularly when readings are provided for free for a variety of > > > reasons. > > > > > > There is nothing to avoid multiple requests in that situation and > > > since most astrologers are too busy to read who responded > > > (particularly when different sites are involved), the best > approach > > > for astrologers who wish to give free readings is the traditional > > > saying: > > > > > > NEKI KAR KUAAIN MAY DAAL (give alms and do not look back as to > what > > > happened to it!) > > > > > > This also teaches the selfless astrologer (I assume that all > astros > > > that give free readings are karma yogis!) what Gita says as often > > > quoted: Do the proper karma and do not worry about the result, > > > consequences and rewards! > > > > > > The nativities that are giving " charity " as a remedial must adopt > a > > > similar attitude. If they do not, we will be hearing their > complaints > > > ad nauseum, ad infinitum... > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > rajiventerprises@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear astrologers, > > > > > > > > Before you answer this query, remember that another colleauge of > > > your > > > > has aready spent some time and energy and answered this in > > > > Jyotish_Ganga. I have answered her just 2-3 days back. > > > > > > > > rest I leave to you whether you would like to duplicate the > efforts > > > and > > > > override your colleagues hardwork.. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Seema Shukla > <seema41064@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please guidr me > > > > >  I am Seema shukla right now residing in Ahmedabad .. I am > > > > 44yearold .DOB  4/10/64 time > > > > > of birth 20:14 hours place of birth Gorakhpur (UP) .my father > was > > > > working with UP govt in Medical & healthDept as gazzated > officer .He > > > > retired in 1992 . My only brother is working in Gujarat is a > class 1 > > > > officer (IPS) I have done MA in POLSc . I was married in > 14/12/1996 > > > > > to a Gujarati brahmin boy My husbands name is Nigam Shukla He > is a > > > > criminal Lawyer in Gujarat high court .His dob is 6/01/1959 > time of > > > > birth is 3:45am at Mumbai I have a 4 year old daughter > > > (13/11/2004) . she > > > > was borned after advanced medical treatment . I was physically & > > > > mentally harassed from the very first day .In june 2005 I wa > thrown > > > out > > > > by my husband But due to social pressure I was taken backon dec > > > 2006 > > > > Now since last 8-9 months aagain with my parents .Now I am > running a > > > > preprimary school in Gandhinagar with financial help of my > > > father.imn > > > > Gandhinagar since June2008 there also there is only investment > > > with > > > > no profit .My hus band has an elder brother staying in USA His > > > mother > > > > expired in 1972 on third day of holi .Mine was arranged > marriage . > > > Now I > > > > dont want to go back & be on my own my daughter is staying with > him > > > > Where will she stay afterwards . > > > > > What will happen of the school I have started > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ms. Shaillasharma ji, > > > > > > > > > > I tried to search in the group for the original query mail and > > > > original > > > > > prediction.. ..could not find it....can you please share > it...it > > > would > > > > be > > > > > education for all amateurs i.e. give me message number..... > > > > > > > > > > with regards, > > > > > > > > > > Sreeram_Srinivas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! 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Guest guest Posted November 10, 2008 Report Share Posted November 10, 2008 Dear Bhaskar ji, ur next msg is not in good taste pl rephrase and still retain the last lines will post it I have done my par to make her aware she needs to know too many groups and too many astrologers can not be helpful also got her to reply what she got also, v few r this coperative at least so may be she deserves some charity at least if not sympathy from us one last time? I leave this chance to u now prashant ________________________________ Bhaskar <rajiventerprises Monday, November 10, 2008 11:09:23 PM Re: My Future 9/11 Seema, Who is Bhaskars disciple ? I dont have a single discple, nor in the mood to make one, as of today. Or you know better than me ? You have written what Bhaskar has predicted for you, and want the others to talk on the same , and contradict, so that you get further leverage on your chart. We know all such tactics, and have gone through these much in the past. Nothing new for us. Just grab whatever you get for free, and go home, Do not try to pit one astrologer against another. We all have been through such games played by over smart people who wish to take predictions for free from every available astrologer. Bhaskar. , Seema Shukla <seema41064@ ...> wrote: > > Sorry sir if I had hurt you truely speaking only I have got 3 replies 1 from one of Mr. bhaskars disciple hHe told me that you carry one red handkercheif with you always .I know that one who is short tempered should avoid red colour So I am . Secondly Mr. Bhaskar adviced me to pray to any Goddess Sir I From last 12 years I am keeping fast of Navratri (of ramnavami aswell as of Dusshera) As wellas I eat only once in shravan month I also do gayatri mala & 2 malas from Durga sptashati. So I didnt heard some thing new .According to Mr. Bhaskar my bad phase is coming Sir I have already seen the worst phase I am staying with my 4 year old daughter with my parents Only I want to be successful inrunning of school & some rmedy for it . I know especially after tasting such a horrible married life my parents as well as my brother have provided me with every luxury . But still I dont want to be burden on them through my life I want the solution & rameedy of that > Sir may I tellyou that my brother is an IPS officer & my father was also class1 officer in UP state Govt. > Then people only talking about fees & money doesnt looks appropriate . Every person is not same You cannot generalise every person with same rule & stick >     Third of the person who predicted about me is some mahendra bhat of astro he advicsed me to put iron rings my second finger of my legs . This was some thing new but I read on Mr. Bhaskars site that fellow is a fraud > lease advise me what should I do > > --- On Mon, 10/11/08, Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar@.. . wrote: > > Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar@.. . > Re: My Future 9/11 > > Monday, 10 November, 2008, 4:17 PM Seema > > don't get confused > > the point is if u post in many places do u also check all of them at all? > > u may really be missing the good ones like a needle in a haystack is the point > > and as said if the replies u got and u post them that it faield sure;ly we will help u > > I am not against anyone seeking more than one view, may be make it clear u want as man y from the views as possible it can help ppl atempting it to reply or now I have replied to cases even if someone else has if the topic/questions is sensitive and needs more answers say health,, serious financial crisis, longevity etc. > > Best wishes > > prashant > > I use BV Raman & #39;s Ayanamsa=Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman & #39;s. NONE OTHER. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Seema Shukla seema41064 (AT) (DOT) in> > > Monday, November 10, 2008 3:54:01 PM > Re: My Future 9/11 > > good after noon sir > It is not the matter of satisfaction . It is personall attitude also It is not so that a very hifi doctor can cure evaey disease .or ram Jrthmalani can solve every case in Supreme Court > Secondly sir for an example you are very good friend of mine If I go to another person & talk then why you fell jealous If it is so the problem lies with in you And especially when a people of such calibre do like this do then I feel that it s useless what talking for money always There are many things apart from financil things Then it is some thing inside that luring people towards you by telling some thing adding free advice .Just big malls & shops putting a tag of free tag > I AM VERY SORRY IF I HAVE OFFENDED YOU. One thing I tell you sir That I never tell alie . Even my opponents tell this on my back And whatever help I can provide to others I help but with in my means . Sir talking about Slashing of hospital fees It is abig hospital(STERLING( ) & is not owened by any onr person Sir when any one is going through bad face of life HE/SHE thinks to get help from any where > sorry for taking your valuable time > Thanks & regards > --- On Sun, 9/11/08, Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar > wrote: > > Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar > > Re: My Future 9/11 > > Sunday, 9 November, 2008, 5:29 PM > > Seema, > > 1st I am happy that u have admitted to posting in 3 and now 2 more > > a catch here tho how can u relate what is the right answer for u? > the doc u treated ur daughter must be known 2u else who will wait for 2.5laks to be in suspense? all of them have also paid heavy fees to come this far may be donations too. > > Well let us know if the 5 did not satisfy u and why will try to step in witha answer then only. > > if u r looking to hear what u want to hear only then u may be disappointed with many more place u post so if u r ready to see, accept and move on in life if the readings differ from ur expectations u must be gracious and strong enuf to do it > > REMEMBER > > EXPECTATIONS IS not WRONG > > WHAT U EXPECT may be WRONG. > > IF U GET THIS U R ON THE COURSE TO A RIGHT ANSWER. > > prashant > > I use BV Raman & #39;s Ayanamsa=Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman & #39;s. NONE OTHER. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Seema Shukla <seema41064@ . in> > > Sunday, November 9, 2008 9:58:07 PM > Re: My Future 9/11 > > Good Evening and Namaste > Thanks for your letter . Sir I do thank people when they do my work whether they charge money or not You can Enquire Mr. Bhaskar for that This is the 3rd fo rum I have logged in for the query . Basically I have logged today 2 more.Actually I was not very satisfied I wanted to know how my school buisness will go. Secondly my minor daughter is staying with me upto the time she is minor no body can claim her because she is a girl & she needs mother But fewpeople say that when she will grow She will be taken by my husband. I dont want that. > Secondly Sir the money charging part .Sir I am not exxagereting my self when my daughter was borned she was kept in neonatal section due to major Complications .The total fees wad more than2.25lacs But I paid half same way till now I had not paid asingle penny to her paeditrician. Even when my Father was in job many benefits were there .Now my brother is there . & sir If you want to charge & iam satisfied I am ready to pay Money is not the sole thing atleast for me sir > Thanks & regards > I f you feel to answer than only answer there is no compulsion from my side... I f you will not reply back than also there will be no malafied views from my side Good Night > > --- On Sun, 9/11/08, Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar > wrote: > > Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar > > Re: My Future 9/11 > > Sunday, 9 November, 2008, 3:37 PM > > Seema > > Can u say honesly how many forums u had posted and how many replies u got [did u thank tnem too] > > personally there is no harm in seeking a 2nd view more often in the same group itself u may get more than one else just one or towo more and waiting for sometime to see its outcome is important > > i had pointed a few names no one seems to ntice > > Kumar rajeev, anil kumar reddy, kiran, ice_maiden, prashant_dixit etc who post in so many forums > > do they have time to go back and see all these groups- I DON'T SO THEY SURELY WILL NOT THAN K ASTROLOGERS WHO READ THEIR CASE > > if such people r there and if u r not guilty like the ones I listed u may unwittingly get into such peoples league > > personally there is no problem seeking a 2nd vieew from anyone like we see Doctors or layers like it but there we do pay something to them too > > if it was also free like this surely ppl will flood doctores too like this with as many free check ups and deprive the time for others. > in the quees coming 1st time. > > Best wishes > > prashant > > I use BV Raman & #39;s Ayanamsa=Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman & #39;s. NONE OTHER. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Seema Shukla <seema41064@ . in> > > Saturday, November 8, 2008 9:51:45 PM > Re: My Future > > With due respect sir I am not pratiscing by gathering allthe information from all the astrologers & passing as prediction as of my own untill & unless you know the person personally none can decide the particular nature secondly If you go & consult a doctor always it is adviced to take a second opinion > > --- On Sat, 8/11/08, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> > Re: My Future > > Saturday, 8 November, 2008, 3:52 PM > > Bhaskar bhai, > > I understand your position and indeed have experienced similar > feelings of being offended, being taken advantage of, in a sense > wasting a good chunk of time when running into such individuals. > However, not all of them -- I realized later on -- are callous or > careless. Some are purely devoid of hopefulness and in panic and even > somewhat " disturbed " (no other way to say it!). > > Then there are those that are bitter and sceptical and just into what > surges from time to time, which I call, " Bash the astrologer " urges! > Also there are scouts and self-appointed quality control inspectors > who try to use these forums as " test the astrologer " . Some of the > astrologers are not above that either as we all know. And as some > individuals had earlier indicated through some research and detection > that some of the requests are placed by what can only be called > Astrology brokers. They take it upon their good-selves to collect > readings and pass those on to the nativity presumably as if they > themselves gave the reading. Archives on this forum from a few years > ago would clearly highlight those discussions. > > As to astrologers joining hands and becoming one -- that is a very > desirable and commendable goal and one that is very close to my heart > and though I have managed to do that to a small extent only, the > multidisciplinary, eclectic approach to divination is possible as I > have seen and helped on several fora but becomes difficult to sustain > perhaps because of some natural selection or something else! > > So given all that and more, what is one to do, to keep serving the > craft of divination that is so dear to our hearts and soul? Perhaps > it is the karma/lesson for all of us astrologers to learn that we > must realize that really we are not the creators of the message that > we convey to the nativity but merely presenters. By this I should not > be misunderstood for saying that astrologers use intuition alone or > channel *entities* for producing their oracle. No, there is a lot of > technique and interpretation involved. Our learning and realizing > this would lead us to have a certain detachment from the noble but > still self-absorbed mental attitude of having helped someone and > feeling 'great' through doing so. Constantly practicing this takes > the edge and pain away from the feeling of being cheated through the > ungratefulness of those we tried to help. > > Sorry for the long-winded post which readers may or may not relate > to. I would not feel offended if latter is the case :-) > > Namastay > > Rohiniranjan > > , " Bhaskar " > <rajiventerprises@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Shri RR ji, > > > > That is the attitude one normally adopts when one does a free > reading, > > but one cannot just close his eyes and avoid being hurt. If a person > > begs something from me and i put some coins in his bowl, and after 2 > > minutes i see that person asking my wife for some money, i will > surely > > inform my wife that i have already paid the beggar, and you need not > > pay. In same way its the duty of every astrologer to inform his > > colleagues about some help given, so that advantage is not taken > of, and > > at the same time, duplication of efforts is not done. > > > > Unless we astrologers do not join together and be info- sharing, the > > general lot of the public will keep on squeezing more and more from > us. > > My attempts are always in the directions to make this community of > > astrologers a close knit one so that we do not disssipate our > energies . > > > > I have always adopted this attitude as your goodself mentioned " > Neki > > kar dariya mein daal " , but over smartness from the person towards > whom > > neki is done, must be pointed out, is what I believe in. > > > > best regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > <rohini_ranjan@ > wrote: > > > > > > It has been known for a long time on internet that individuals > post > > > queries on several sites simultaneously or within a few days > > > particularly when readings are provided for free for a variety of > > > reasons. > > > > > > There is nothing to avoid multiple requests in that situation and > > > since most astrologers are too busy to read who responded > > > (particularly when different sites are involved), the best > approach > > > for astrologers who wish to give free readings is the traditional > > > saying: > > > > > > NEKI KAR KUAAIN MAY DAAL (give alms and do not look back as to > what > > > happened to it!) > > > > > > This also teaches the selfless astrologer (I assume that all > astros > > > that give free readings are karma yogis!) what Gita says as often > > > quoted: Do the proper karma and do not worry about the result, > > > consequences and rewards! > > > > > > The nativities that are giving " charity " as a remedial must adopt > a > > > similar attitude. If they do not, we will be hearing their > complaints > > > ad nauseum, ad infinitum... > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > rajiventerprises@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear astrologers, > > > > > > > > Before you answer this query, remember that another colleauge of > > > your > > > > has aready spent some time and energy and answered this in > > > > Jyotish_Ganga. I have answered her just 2-3 days back. > > > > > > > > rest I leave to you whether you would like to duplicate the > efforts > > > and > > > > override your colleagues hardwork.. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Seema Shukla > <seema41064@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please guidr me > > > > >  I am Seema shukla right now residing in Ahmedabad .. I am > > > > 44yearold .DOB  4/10/64 time > > > > > of birth 20:14 hours place of birth Gorakhpur (UP) .my father > was > > > > working with UP govt in Medical & healthDept as gazzated > officer .He > > > > retired in 1992 . My only brother is working in Gujarat is a > class 1 > > > > officer (IPS) I have done MA in POLSc . I was married in > 14/12/1996 > > > > > to a Gujarati brahmin boy My husbands name is Nigam Shukla He > is a > > > > criminal Lawyer in Gujarat high court .His dob is 6/01/1959 > time of > > > > birth is 3:45am at Mumbai I have a 4 year old daughter > > > (13/11/2004) . she > > > > was borned after advanced medical treatment . I was physically & > > > > mentally harassed from the very first day .In june 2005 I wa > thrown > > > out > > > > by my husband But due to social pressure I was taken backon dec > > > 2006 > > > > Now since last 8-9 months aagain with my parents .Now I am > running a > > > > preprimary school in Gandhinagar with financial help of my > > > father.imn > > > > Gandhinagar since June2008 there also there is only investment > > > with > > > > no profit .My hus band has an elder brother staying in USA His > > > mother > > > > expired in 1972 on third day of holi .Mine was arranged > marriage . > > > Now I > > > > dont want to go back & be on my own my daughter is staying with > him > > > > Where will she stay afterwards . > > > > > What will happen of the school I have started > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ms. Shaillasharma ji, > > > > > > > > > > I tried to search in the group for the original query mail and > > > > original > > > > > prediction.. ..could not find it....can you please share > it...it > > > would > > > > be > > > > > education for all amateurs i.e. give me message number..... > > > > > > > > > > with regards, > > > > > > > > > > Sreeram_Srinivas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! 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Guest guest Posted November 10, 2008 Report Share Posted November 10, 2008 Dear Friends, This smart and wise lady is trying to tesach us and lecture us on spiritual topics, by saying that money and finance is not everything in Life. Then may I ask what is she asking in her query as below, if not about financial security ? Financial security for her is good ? but for us astrologers if we show even a small resemblance to indicate that further queries are not going to come free, then we are commercial people ? What hypocrisy is this ? What happened to the Indian culture ? Nobody is supposed to go empty handed to a astrologer, temple and an ailing relatives. But here even after we serve them empty handed, in return their stomachs dont get filled and they try to pit one against another, for their own benefits. We have to, and must put a stop to such capitalisation on astrologers. I have aways made first move by looking bad, but its high time, the others too joined and make this movement a success. And any astrologer who has already replied to one member for free i any other forum also, must always inform the other astrologers about the reply given, so that no time is wasted, and yet if they require further replis, then let them pay. This will teach them to respect astrologers and this science, Bhaskar. , Seema Shukla <seema41064@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Please guidr me > > > >  I am Seema shukla right now residing in Ahmedabad . I am > > > 44yearold .DOB  4/10/64 time > > > > of birth 20:14 hours place of birth Gorakhpur (UP) .my father was > > > working with UP govt in Medical & healthDept as gazzated officer .He > > > retired in 1992 . My only brother is working in Gujarat is a class 1 > > > officer (IPS) I have done MA in POLSc . I was married in 14/12/1996 > > > > to a Gujarati brahmin boy My husbands name is Nigam Shukla He is a > > > criminal Lawyer in Gujarat high court .His dob is 6/01/1959 time of > > > birth is 3:45am at Mumbai I have a 4 year old daughter > > (13/11/2004) . she > > > was borned after advanced medical treatment . I was physically & > > > mentally harassed from the very first day .In june 2005 I wa thrown > > out > > > by my husband But due to social pressure I was taken backon dec > > 2006 > > > Now since last 8-9 months aagain with my parents .Now I am running a > > > preprimary school in Gandhinagar with financial help of my > > father.imn > > > Gandhinagar since June2008 there also there is only investment > > with > > > no profit .My hus band has an elder brother staying in USA His > > mother > > > expired in 1972 on third day of holi .Mine was arranged marriage . > > Now I > > > dont want to go back & be on my own my daughter is staying with him > > > Where will she stay afterwards . > > > > What will happen of the school I have started > > > > --- > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " <rajiventerprises wrote: > > > Seema, > Who is Bhaskars disciple ? I dont have a single discple, nor in the mood > to make one, as of today. Or you know better than me ? You have > written what Bhaskar has predicted for you, and want the others to talk > on the same , and contradict, so that you get further leverage on your > chart. We know all such tactics, and have gone through these much in the > past. Nothing new for us. Just grab whatever you get for free, and go > home, Do not try to pit one astrologer against another. We all have been > through such games played by over smart people who wish to take > predictions for free from every available astrologer. Bhaskar. > > > > , Seema Shukla <seema41064@> > wrote: > > > > Sorry sir if I had hurt you truely speaking only I have got 3 replies > 1 from one of Mr. bhaskars disciple hHe told me that you carry one red > handkercheif with you always .I know that one who is short tempered > should avoid red colour So I am . Secondly Mr. Bhaskar adviced me to > pray to any Goddess Sir I From last 12 years I am keeping fast of > Navratri (of ramnavami aswell as of Dusshera) As wellas I eat only > once in shravan month I also do gayatri mala & 2 malas from Durga > sptashati. So I didnt heard some thing new .According to Mr. Bhaskar my > bad phase is coming Sir I have already seen the worst phase I am staying > with my 4 year old daughter with my parents Only I want to be successful > inrunning of school & some rmedy for it . I know especially after > tasting such a horrible married life my parents as well as my brother > have provided me with every luxury . But still I dont want to be burden > on them through my life I want the solution & rameedy of that > > Sir may I tellyou that my brother is an IPS officer & my father was > also class1 officer in UP state Govt. > > Then people only talking about fees & money doesnt looks appropriate . > Every person is not same You cannot generalise every person with same > rule & stick > >     Third of the person who predicted about me is > some mahendra bhat of astro he advicsed me to put iron rings my second > finger of my legs . This was some thing new but I read on Mr. Bhaskars > site that fellow is a fraud > > lease advise me what should I do > > > > --- On Mon, 10/11/08, Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar@ wrote: > > > > Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar@ > > Re: My Future 9/11 > > > > Monday, 10 November, 2008, 4:17 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Seema > > > > don't get confused > > > > the point is if u post in many places do u also check all of them at > all? > > > > u may really be missing the good ones like a needle in a haystack is > the point > > > > and as said if the replies u got and u post them that it faield > sure;ly we will help u > > > > I am not against anyone seeking more than one view, may be make it > clear u want as man y from the views as possible it can help ppl > atempting it to reply or now I have replied to cases even if someone > else has if the topic/questions is sensitive and needs more answers say > health,, serious financial crisis, longevity etc. > > > > Best wishes > > > > prashant > > > > I use BV Raman & #39;s Ayanamsa=Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non > Raman & #39;s. NONE OTHER. Pl provide important dates in ur life while > posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a > picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one > or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID > are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B > Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Seema Shukla seema41064 (AT) (DOT) in> > > > > Monday, November 10, 2008 3:54:01 PM > > Re: My Future 9/11 > > > > good after noon sir > > It is not the matter of satisfaction . It is personall attitude also > It is not so that a very hifi doctor can cure evaey disease .or ram > Jrthmalani can solve every case in Supreme Court > > Secondly sir for an example you are very good friend of mine If I go > to another person & talk then why you fell jealous If it is so the > problem lies with in you And especially when a people of such calibre do > like this do then I feel that it s useless what talking for money always > There are many things apart from financil things Then it is some thing > inside that luring people towards you by telling some thing adding free > advice .Just big malls & shops putting a tag of free tag > > I AM VERY SORRY IF I HAVE OFFENDED YOU. One thing I tell you sir That > I never tell alie . Even my opponents tell this on my back And whatever > help I can provide to others I help but with in my means . Sir talking > about Slashing of hospital fees It is abig hospital(STERLING( ) & is not > owened by any onr person Sir when any one is going through bad face of > life HE/SHE thinks to get help from any where > > sorry for taking your valuable time > > Thanks & regards > > --- On Sun, 9/11/08, Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar > wrote: > > > > Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar > > > Re: My Future 9/11 > > > > Sunday, 9 November, 2008, 5:29 PM > > > > Seema, > > > > 1st I am happy that u have admitted to posting in 3 and now 2 more > > > > a catch here tho how can u relate what is the right answer for u? > > the doc u treated ur daughter must be known 2u else who will wait for > 2.5laks to be in suspense? all of them have also paid heavy fees to come > this far may be donations too. > > > > Well let us know if the 5 did not satisfy u and why will try to step > in witha answer then only. > > > > if u r looking to hear what u want to hear only then u may be > disappointed with many more place u post so if u r ready to see, accept > and move on in life if the readings differ from ur expectations u must > be gracious and strong enuf to do it > > > > REMEMBER > > > > EXPECTATIONS IS not WRONG > > > > WHAT U EXPECT may be WRONG. > > > > IF U GET THIS U R ON THE COURSE TO A RIGHT ANSWER. > > > > prashant > > > > I use BV Raman & #39;s Ayanamsa=Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non > Raman & #39;s. NONE OTHER. Pl provide important dates in ur life while > posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a > picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one > or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID > are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B > Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Seema Shukla <seema41064@ . in> > > > > Sunday, November 9, 2008 9:58:07 PM > > Re: My Future 9/11 > > > > Good Evening and Namaste > > Thanks for your letter . Sir I do thank people when they do my work > whether they charge money or not You can Enquire Mr. Bhaskar for that > This is the 3rd fo rum I have logged in for the query . Basically I have > logged today 2 more.Actually I was not very satisfied I wanted to know > how my school buisness will go. Secondly my minor daughter is staying > with me upto the time she is minor no body can claim her because she is > a girl & she needs mother But fewpeople say that when she will grow She > will be taken by my husband. I dont want that. > > Secondly Sir the money charging part .Sir I am not exxagereting my > self when my daughter was borned she was kept in neonatal section due to > major Complications .The total fees wad more than2.25lacs But I paid > half same way till now I had not paid asingle penny to her paeditrician. > Even when my Father was in job many benefits were there .Now my brother > is there . & sir If you want to charge & iam satisfied I am ready to pay > Money is not the sole thing atleast for me sir > > Thanks & regards > > I f you feel to answer than only answer there is no compulsion from my > side... I f you will not reply back than also there will be no malafied > views from my side Good Night > > > > --- On Sun, 9/11/08, Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar > wrote: > > > > Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar > > > Re: My Future 9/11 > > > > Sunday, 9 November, 2008, 3:37 PM > > > > Seema > > > > Can u say honesly how many forums u had posted and how many replies u > got [did u thank tnem too] > > > > personally there is no harm in seeking a 2nd view more often in the > same group itself u may get more than one else just one or towo more and > waiting for sometime to see its outcome is important > > > > i had pointed a few names no one seems to ntice > > > > Kumar rajeev, anil kumar reddy, kiran, ice_maiden, prashant_dixit etc > who post in so many forums > > > > do they have time to go back and see all these groups- I DON'T SO THEY > SURELY WILL NOT THAN K ASTROLOGERS WHO READ THEIR CASE > > > > if such people r there and if u r not guilty like the ones I listed u > may unwittingly get into such peoples league > > > > personally there is no problem seeking a 2nd vieew from anyone like we > see Doctors or layers like it but there we do pay something to them too > > > > if it was also free like this surely ppl will flood doctores too like > this with as many free check ups and deprive the time for others. > > in the quees coming 1st time. > > > > Best wishes > > > > prashant > > > > I use BV Raman & #39;s Ayanamsa=Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non > Raman & #39;s. NONE OTHER. Pl provide important dates in ur life while > posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a > picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one > or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID > are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B > Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Seema Shukla <seema41064@ . in> > > > > Saturday, November 8, 2008 9:51:45 PM > > Re: My Future > > > > With due respect sir I am not pratiscing by gathering allthe > information from all the astrologers & passing as prediction as of my > own untill & unless you know the person personally none can decide the > particular nature secondly If you go & consult a doctor always it is > adviced to take a second opinion > > > > --- On Sat, 8/11/08, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> > > Re: My Future > > > > Saturday, 8 November, 2008, 3:52 PM > > > > Bhaskar bhai, > > > > I understand your position and indeed have experienced similar > > feelings of being offended, being taken advantage of, in a sense > > wasting a good chunk of time when running into such individuals. > > However, not all of them -- I realized later on -- are callous or > > careless. Some are purely devoid of hopefulness and in panic and even > > somewhat " disturbed " (no other way to say it!). > > > > Then there are those that are bitter and sceptical and just into what > > surges from time to time, which I call, " Bash the astrologer " urges! > > Also there are scouts and self-appointed quality control inspectors > > who try to use these forums as " test the astrologer " . Some of the > > astrologers are not above that either as we all know. And as some > > individuals had earlier indicated through some research and detection > > that some of the requests are placed by what can only be called > > Astrology brokers. They take it upon their good-selves to collect > > readings and pass those on to the nativity presumably as if they > > themselves gave the reading. Archives on this forum from a few years > > ago would clearly highlight those discussions. > > > > As to astrologers joining hands and becoming one -- that is a very > > desirable and commendable goal and one that is very close to my heart > > and though I have managed to do that to a small extent only, the > > multidisciplinary, eclectic approach to divination is possible as I > > have seen and helped on several fora but becomes difficult to sustain > > perhaps because of some natural selection or something else! > > > > So given all that and more, what is one to do, to keep serving the > > craft of divination that is so dear to our hearts and soul? Perhaps > > it is the karma/lesson for all of us astrologers to learn that we > > must realize that really we are not the creators of the message that > > we convey to the nativity but merely presenters. By this I should not > > be misunderstood for saying that astrologers use intuition alone or > > channel *entities* for producing their oracle. No, there is a lot of > > technique and interpretation involved. Our learning and realizing > > this would lead us to have a certain detachment from the noble but > > still self-absorbed mental attitude of having helped someone and > > feeling 'great' through doing so. Constantly practicing this takes > > the edge and pain away from the feeling of being cheated through the > > ungratefulness of those we tried to help. > > > > Sorry for the long-winded post which readers may or may not relate > > to. I would not feel offended if latter is the case :-) > > > > Namastay > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > <rajiventerprises@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri RR ji, > > > > > > That is the attitude one normally adopts when one does a free > > reading, > > > but one cannot just close his eyes and avoid being hurt. If a person > > > begs something from me and i put some coins in his bowl, and after 2 > > > minutes i see that person asking my wife for some money, i will > > surely > > > inform my wife that i have already paid the beggar, and you need not > > > pay. In same way its the duty of every astrologer to inform his > > > colleagues about some help given, so that advantage is not taken > > of, and > > > at the same time, duplication of efforts is not done. > > > > > > Unless we astrologers do not join together and be info- sharing, the > > > general lot of the public will keep on squeezing more and more from > > us. > > > My attempts are always in the directions to make this community of > > > astrologers a close knit one so that we do not disssipate our > > energies . > > > > > > I have always adopted this attitude as your goodself mentioned " > > Neki > > > kar dariya mein daal " , but over smartness from the person towards > > whom > > > neki is done, must be pointed out, is what I believe in. > > > > > > best regards, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > > <rohini_ranjan@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > It has been known for a long time on internet that individuals > > post > > > > queries on several sites simultaneously or within a few days > > > > particularly when readings are provided for free for a variety of > > > > reasons. > > > > > > > > There is nothing to avoid multiple requests in that situation and > > > > since most astrologers are too busy to read who responded > > > > (particularly when different sites are involved), the best > > approach > > > > for astrologers who wish to give free readings is the traditional > > > > saying: > > > > > > > > NEKI KAR KUAAIN MAY DAAL (give alms and do not look back as to > > what > > > > happened to it!) > > > > > > > > This also teaches the selfless astrologer (I assume that all > > astros > > > > that give free readings are karma yogis!) what Gita says as often > > > > quoted: Do the proper karma and do not worry about the result, > > > > consequences and rewards! > > > > > > > > The nativities that are giving " charity " as a remedial must adopt > > a > > > > similar attitude. If they do not, we will be hearing their > > complaints > > > > ad nauseum, ad infinitum... > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > > rajiventerprises@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear astrologers, > > > > > > > > > > Before you answer this query, remember that another colleauge of > > > > your > > > > > has aready spent some time and energy and answered this in > > > > > Jyotish_Ganga. I have answered her just 2-3 days back. > > > > > > > > > > rest I leave to you whether you would like to duplicate the > > efforts > > > > and > > > > > override your colleagues hardwork.. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Seema Shukla > > <seema41064@ > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please guidr me > > > > > >  I am Seema shukla right now residing in Ahmedabad > . I am > > > > > 44yearold .DOB  4/10/64 time > > > > > > of birth 20:14 hours place of birth Gorakhpur (UP) .my father > > was > > > > > working with UP govt in Medical & healthDept as gazzated > > officer .He > > > > > retired in 1992 . My only brother is working in Gujarat is a > > class 1 > > > > > officer (IPS) I have done MA in POLSc . I was married in > > 14/12/1996 > > > > > > to a Gujarati brahmin boy My husbands name is Nigam Shukla He > > is a > > > > > criminal Lawyer in Gujarat high court .His dob is 6/01/1959 > > time of > > > > > birth is 3:45am at Mumbai I have a 4 year old daughter > > > > (13/11/2004) . she > > > > > was borned after advanced medical treatment . I was physically & > > > > > mentally harassed from the very first day .In june 2005 I wa > > thrown > > > > out > > > > > by my husband But due to social pressure I was taken > backon dec > > > > 2006 > > > > > Now since last 8-9 months aagain with my parents .Now I am > > running a > > > > > preprimary school in Gandhinagar with financial help of my > > > > father.imn > > > > > Gandhinagar since June2008 there also there is only investment > > > > with > > > > > no profit .My hus band has an elder brother staying in USA His > > > > mother > > > > > expired in 1972 on third day of holi .Mine was arranged > > marriage . > > > > Now I > > > > > dont want to go back & be on my own my daughter is staying with > > him > > > > > Where will she stay afterwards . > > > > > > What will happen of the school I have started > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ms. Shaillasharma ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > I tried to search in the group for the original query mail and > > > > > original > > > > > > prediction.. ..could not find it....can you please share > > it...it > > > > would > > > > > be > > > > > > education for all amateurs i.e. give me message number..... > > > > > > > > > > > > with regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreeram_Srinivas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! 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Guest guest Posted November 10, 2008 Report Share Posted November 10, 2008 Dear Prashant ji, I leave it you. Whatever you think appropriate, you may approve, whatever you think is not proper, please do not approve. I have no objections, will not mind, and will not question you. But I request you not to feel extra pity for anyone. They are not worth it. Too much compassion makes people take advantage of you. regards, Bhaskar. - " Prashant Kumar G B " <gbp_kumar Monday, November 10, 2008 11:26 PM Re: My Future 9/11 Dear Bhaskar ji, ur next msg is not in good taste pl rephrase and still retain the last lines will post it I have done my par to make her aware she needs to know too many groups and too many astrologers can not be helpful also got her to reply what she got also, v few r this coperative at least so may be she deserves some charity at least if not sympathy from us one last time? I leave this chance to u now prashant ________________________________ Bhaskar <rajiventerprises Monday, November 10, 2008 11:09:23 PM Re: My Future 9/11 Seema, Who is Bhaskars disciple ? I dont have a single discple, nor in the mood to make one, as of today. Or you know better than me ? You have written what Bhaskar has predicted for you, and want the others to talk on the same , and contradict, so that you get further leverage on your chart. We know all such tactics, and have gone through these much in the past. Nothing new for us. Just grab whatever you get for free, and go home, Do not try to pit one astrologer against another. We all have been through such games played by over smart people who wish to take predictions for free from every available astrologer. Bhaskar. , Seema Shukla <seema41064@ ...> wrote: > > Sorry sir if I had hurt you truely speaking only I have got 3 replies 1 from one of Mr. bhaskars disciple hHe told me that you carry one red handkercheif with you always .I know that one who is short tempered should avoid red colour So I am . Secondly Mr. Bhaskar adviced me to pray to any Goddess Sir I From last 12 years I am keeping fast of Navratri (of ramnavami aswell as of Dusshera)Â As wellas I eat only once in shravan month I also do gayatri mala & 2 malas from Durga sptashati. So I didnt heard some thing new .According to Mr. Bhaskar my bad phase is coming Sir I have already seen the worst phase I am staying with my 4 year old daughter with my parents Only I want to be successful inrunning of school & some rmedy for it . I know especially after tasting such a horrible married life my parents as well as my brother have provided me with every luxury . But still I dont want to be burden on them through my life I want the solution & rameedy of that > Sir may I tellyou that my brother is an IPS officer & my father was also class1 officer in UP state Govt. > Then people only talking about fees & money doesnt looks appropriate . Every person is not same You cannot generalise every person with same rule & stick > Â Â Â Â Third of the person who predicted about me is some mahendra bhat of astro he advicsed me to put iron rings my second finger of my legs . This was some thing new but I read on Mr. Bhaskars site that fellow is a fraud > lease advise me what should I do > > --- On Mon, 10/11/08, Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar@.. . wrote: > > Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar@.. . > Re: My Future 9/11 > > Monday, 10 November, 2008, 4:17 PM Seema > > don't get confused > > the point is if u post in many places do u also check all of them at all? > > u may really be missing the good ones like a needle in a haystack is the point > > and as said if the replies u got and u post them that it faield sure;ly we will help u > > I am not against anyone seeking more than one view, may be make it clear u want as man y from the views as possible it can help ppl atempting it to reply or now I have replied to cases even if someone else has if the topic/questions is sensitive and needs more answers say health,, serious financial crisis, longevity etc. > > Best wishes > > prashant > > I use BV Raman & #39;s Ayanamsa=Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman & #39;s. NONE OTHER. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Seema Shukla seema41064 (AT) (DOT) in> > > Monday, November 10, 2008 3:54:01 PM > Re: My Future 9/11 > > good after noon sir > It is not the matter of satisfaction . It is personall attitude also It is not so that a very hifi doctor can cure evaey disease .or ram Jrthmalani can solve every case in Supreme Court > Secondly sir for an example you are very good friend of mine If I go to another person & talk then why you fell jealous If it is so the problem lies with in you And especially when a people of such calibre do like this do then I feel that it s useless what talking for money always There are many things apart from financil things Then it is some thing inside that luring people towards you by telling some thing adding free advice .Just big malls & shops putting a tag of free tag > I AM VERY SORRY IF I HAVE OFFENDED YOU. One thing I tell you sir That I never tell alie . Even my opponents tell this on my back And whatever help I can provide to others I help but with in my means . Sir talking about Slashing of hospital fees It is abig hospital(STERLING( ) & is not owened by any onr person Sir when any one is going through bad face of life HE/SHE thinks to get help from any where > sorry for taking your valuable time > Thanks & regards > --- On Sun, 9/11/08, Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar > wrote: > > Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar > > Re: My Future 9/11 > > Sunday, 9 November, 2008, 5:29 PM > > Seema, > > 1st I am happy that u have admitted to posting in 3 and now 2 more > > a catch here tho how can u relate what is the right answer for u? > the doc u treated ur daughter must be known 2u else who will wait for 2.5laks to be in suspense? all of them have also paid heavy fees to come this far may be donations too. > > Well let us know if the 5 did not satisfy u and why will try to step in witha answer then only. > > if u r looking to hear what u want to hear only then u may be disappointed with many more place u post so if u r ready to see, accept and move on in life if the readings differ from ur expectations u must be gracious and strong enuf to do it > > REMEMBER > > EXPECTATIONS IS not WRONG > > WHAT U EXPECT may be WRONG. > > IF U GET THIS U R ON THE COURSE TO A RIGHT ANSWER. > > prashant > > I use BV Raman & #39;s Ayanamsa=Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman & #39;s. NONE OTHER. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Seema Shukla <seema41064@ . in> > > Sunday, November 9, 2008 9:58:07 PM > Re: My Future 9/11 > > Good Evening and Namaste > Thanks for your letter . Sir I do thank people when they do my work whether they charge money or not You can Enquire Mr. Bhaskar for that This is the 3rd fo rum I have logged in for the query . Basically I have logged today 2 more.Actually I was not very satisfied I wanted to know how my school buisness will go. Secondly my minor daughter is staying with me upto the time she is minor no body can claim her because she is a girl & she needs mother But fewpeople say that when she will grow She will be taken by my husband. I dont want that. > Secondly Sir the money charging part .Sir I am not exxagereting my self when my daughter was borned she was kept in neonatal section due to major Complications .The total fees wad more than2.25lacs But I paid half same way till now I had not paid asingle penny to her paeditrician. Even when my Father was in job many benefits were there .Now my brother is there . & sir If you want to charge & iam satisfied I am ready to pay Money is not the sole thing atleast for me sir > Thanks & regards > I f you feel to answer than only answer there is no compulsion from my side... I f you will not reply back than also there will be no malafied views from my side Good Night > > --- On Sun, 9/11/08, Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar > wrote: > > Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar > > Re: My Future 9/11 > > Sunday, 9 November, 2008, 3:37 PM > > Seema > > Can u say honesly how many forums u had posted and how many replies u got [did u thank tnem too] > > personally there is no harm in seeking a 2nd view more often in the same group itself u may get more than one else just one or towo more and waiting for sometime to see its outcome is important > > i had pointed a few names no one seems to ntice > > Kumar rajeev, anil kumar reddy, kiran, ice_maiden, prashant_dixit etc who post in so many forums > > do they have time to go back and see all these groups- I DON'T SO THEY SURELY WILL NOT THAN K ASTROLOGERS WHO READ THEIR CASE > > if such people r there and if u r not guilty like the ones I listed u may unwittingly get into such peoples league > > personally there is no problem seeking a 2nd vieew from anyone like we see Doctors or layers like it but there we do pay something to them too > > if it was also free like this surely ppl will flood doctores too like this with as many free check ups and deprive the time for others. > in the quees coming 1st time. > > Best wishes > > prashant > > I use BV Raman & #39;s Ayanamsa=Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman & #39;s. NONE OTHER. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Seema Shukla <seema41064@ . in> > > Saturday, November 8, 2008 9:51:45 PM > Re: My Future > > With due respect sir I am not pratiscing by gathering allthe information from all the astrologers & passing as prediction as of my own untill & unless you know the person personally none can decide the particular nature secondly If you go & consult a doctor always it is adviced to take a second opinion > > --- On Sat, 8/11/08, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> > Re: My Future > > Saturday, 8 November, 2008, 3:52 PM > > Bhaskar bhai, > > I understand your position and indeed have experienced similar > feelings of being offended, being taken advantage of, in a sense > wasting a good chunk of time when running into such individuals. > However, not all of them -- I realized later on -- are callous or > careless. Some are purely devoid of hopefulness and in panic and even > somewhat " disturbed " (no other way to say it!). > > Then there are those that are bitter and sceptical and just into what > surges from time to time, which I call, " Bash the astrologer " urges! > Also there are scouts and self-appointed quality control inspectors > who try to use these forums as " test the astrologer " . Some of the > astrologers are not above that either as we all know. And as some > individuals had earlier indicated through some research and detection > that some of the requests are placed by what can only be called > Astrology brokers. They take it upon their good-selves to collect > readings and pass those on to the nativity presumably as if they > themselves gave the reading. Archives on this forum from a few years > ago would clearly highlight those discussions. > > As to astrologers joining hands and becoming one -- that is a very > desirable and commendable goal and one that is very close to my heart > and though I have managed to do that to a small extent only, the > multidisciplinary, eclectic approach to divination is possible as I > have seen and helped on several fora but becomes difficult to sustain > perhaps because of some natural selection or something else! > > So given all that and more, what is one to do, to keep serving the > craft of divination that is so dear to our hearts and soul? Perhaps > it is the karma/lesson for all of us astrologers to learn that we > must realize that really we are not the creators of the message that > we convey to the nativity but merely presenters. By this I should not > be misunderstood for saying that astrologers use intuition alone or > channel *entities* for producing their oracle. No, there is a lot of > technique and interpretation involved. Our learning and realizing > this would lead us to have a certain detachment from the noble but > still self-absorbed mental attitude of having helped someone and > feeling 'great' through doing so. Constantly practicing this takes > the edge and pain away from the feeling of being cheated through the > ungratefulness of those we tried to help. > > Sorry for the long-winded post which readers may or may not relate > to. I would not feel offended if latter is the case :-) > > Namastay > > Rohiniranjan > > , " Bhaskar " > <rajiventerprises@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Shri RR ji, > > > > That is the attitude one normally adopts when one does a free > reading, > > but one cannot just close his eyes and avoid being hurt. If a person > > begs something from me and i put some coins in his bowl, and after 2 > > minutes i see that person asking my wife for some money, i will > surely > > inform my wife that i have already paid the beggar, and you need not > > pay. In same way its the duty of every astrologer to inform his > > colleagues about some help given, so that advantage is not taken > of, and > > at the same time, duplication of efforts is not done. > > > > Unless we astrologers do not join together and be info- sharing, the > > general lot of the public will keep on squeezing more and more from > us. > > My attempts are always in the directions to make this community of > > astrologers a close knit one so that we do not disssipate our > energies . > > > > I have always adopted this attitude as your goodself mentioned " > Neki > > kar dariya mein daal " , but over smartness from the person towards > whom > > neki is done, must be pointed out, is what I believe in. > > > > best regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > <rohini_ranjan@ > wrote: > > > > > > It has been known for a long time on internet that individuals > post > > > queries on several sites simultaneously or within a few days > > > particularly when readings are provided for free for a variety of > > > reasons. > > > > > > There is nothing to avoid multiple requests in that situation and > > > since most astrologers are too busy to read who responded > > > (particularly when different sites are involved), the best > approach > > > for astrologers who wish to give free readings is the traditional > > > saying: > > > > > > NEKI KAR KUAAIN MAY DAAL (give alms and do not look back as to > what > > > happened to it!) > > > > > > This also teaches the selfless astrologer (I assume that all > astros > > > that give free readings are karma yogis!) what Gita says as often > > > quoted: Do the proper karma and do not worry about the result, > > > consequences and rewards! > > > > > > The nativities that are giving " charity " as a remedial must adopt > a > > > similar attitude. If they do not, we will be hearing their > complaints > > > ad nauseum, ad infinitum... > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > rajiventerprises@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear astrologers, > > > > > > > > Before you answer this query, remember that another colleauge of > > > your > > > > has aready spent some time and energy and answered this in > > > > Jyotish_Ganga. I have answered her just 2-3 days back. > > > > > > > > rest I leave to you whether you would like to duplicate the > efforts > > > and > > > > override your colleagues hardwork.. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Seema Shukla > <seema41064@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please guidr me > > > > > Ã, I am Seema shukla right now residing in AhmedabadÃ, .. I am > > > > 44yearold .DOBÃ, Ã, 4/10/64 time > > > > > of birth 20:14 hours place of birth Gorakhpur (UP) .my father > was > > > > working with UP govt in Medical & healthDept as gazzated > officer .He > > > > retired in 1992 . My only brother is working in Gujarat is a > class 1 > > > > officer (IPS) I have done MA in POLSc . I was married in > 14/12/1996 > > > > > to a Gujarati brahmin boy My husbands name is Nigam Shukla He > is a > > > > criminal Lawyer in Gujarat high court .His dob is 6/01/1959 > time of > > > > birth is 3:45am at Mumbai I have a 4 year old daughter > > > (13/11/2004) . she > > > > was borned after advanced medical treatment . I was physically & > > > > mentally harassed from the very first day .In june 2005 I wa > thrown > > > out > > > > byÃ, my husband But due to social pressure I was taken backon dec > > > 2006 > > > > Now since last 8-9 months aagain with my parents .Now I am > running a > > > > preprimary school in Gandhinagar with financial help of my > > > father.imn > > > > Gandhinagar since June2008 there also there is only investment > > > withÃ, > > > > no profit .My hus band has an elder brother staying in USA His > > > mother > > > > expired in 1972 on third day of holi .Mine was arranged > marriage . > > > Now I > > > > dont want to go back & be on my own my daughter is staying with > him > > > > Where will she stay afterwards . > > > > > What will happen of the school I have started > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ms. Shaillasharma ji, > > > > > > > > > > I tried to search in the group for the original query mail and > > > > original > > > > > prediction.. ..could not find it....can you please share > it...it > > > would > > > > be > > > > > education for all amateurs i.e. give me message number..... > > > > > > > > > > with regards, > > > > > > > > > > Sreeram_Srinivas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! 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Guest guest Posted November 10, 2008 Report Share Posted November 10, 2008 i would like to say thanku 2 all the group its people like u who have a kind heart , who try 2 help people other group member i have been part of the group asked for help which has been given free 2 because u are kind and willimg 2 help people in need no money or other reasons have been given but kindness and help so thanku group members for being so kind kind regards 2 u all for carring kerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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