Guest guest Posted October 25, 2008 Report Share Posted October 25, 2008 dear friends shri ak kaulji earlier rebutted the present calendar system which according to him is incorrect as he seemed like having done enough research on this subject and has historic evidences, dating of events and fixing the dates etc. one can understand and appreciate his new system just like a new ayanamsha. later he went on presenting astrology as a fraud and unheard in vedas. then he said some planets found mention in vedas and few other planets were not mentioned and were added by modern people later. when some members presented various ancient scriptural references of all planets and all 27 stars finding mention in vedas and puranas, he said that yes, planets and stars find mention in scriptures but not for predictive purposes. now some members presented references from proper four vedas what this planet in that star means etc., and kaulji started arguing that yes, all these planets and stars were mentioned in ancient scriptures but signs of zodiac like mesha etc., were never mentioned. let me state clearly that all nine planets, all 27 stars, all 12 zodiac signs find mention in all ancient scriptures. specifically, zodiac signs, which is the last missing item of kaulji in vedas, too finds mention in the puranas, samhitas and shastras written by the same sages. it is ignorant if one says that only four vedas are referral books and not the others like vedangas, puranas, samhitas, shastras, smritis etc. planets and stars are oft used by the natives even in the previous three yugas. here is one puranic reference of description of a night where the asura king durjaya visits and stays at the hermitage of sage gauramukha. after the sun as red as aruna, set behind the mountains, the night made its advent, adorned by the autumnal moon and the constellation of pleiades (krittika). the moon, the spouse of rohini, diffused its rays generating pleasure even to the sober people. next arose venus the preceptor of the demons, sukra, the son of bhrigu, the overlord of the daityas in company with saturn. he did not shine brilliantly since he had joined the opposite camp just as by nature the intellect of men does not shine if they associate with wrong side. mangala, the son of the earth, also rose and diffused its reddish glow, while rahu grew white by the white rays of the moon. the nature of the world is shunned by the gods and demons. over the belt of rays diffused by venus like the white path of sun, even the mightiest ketu cannot make darkness. at that time the activities of the wicked was also pure. the planet mercury, the son of the moon, endowed with high intellect, shone brightly radiating the world with its glory and moved for a long time in its own orbit. indeed such is the similarity that exists among the honest. soon after, ketu came up over the course of the moon and made the sky tawny for sometime. verily, a vile person does never perform his trickery in a clean manner before an assembly of virtuous persons. though the quarters were all brightened by the rays of the moon, yet the light was obstructed every time. Indeed, a righteous conduct is inherent in a noble descent. eminence of the great comes through the association with the noble. by the moon, son of varuna and aggravator of the three maladies, the rays of the sun were completely overpowered. verily, the injunctions of the Vedas can never be otherwise. dhruva, the polar star, who, in his infancy in the past, had propitiated the lord hari, did now make its appearance in the firmament in full glory singular by its association with hari. night befell in this way over the excellent hermitage of the sage. the above is how the night is described in all splendour of the planets, stars and the constellations. members may kindly note that once I too agreed with kaulji that in the previous yugas, there were sages who are all trikalajnanis who knew the past, present and future just by their vision and astrology for predictive purpose was not required for those elevated souls. in fact the wide usage of astrology is seen in kaliyuga due to the sages falling into minority and rare to find. hence my request to kaulji is that he shall desist from passing an authoritative comment that vedas and puranas do not mention first planets, then stars and now signs, for we all knew numerous instances of these finding mention right from the four Vedas. based on the constitutional provisions and rights of this land, if believers of astrology learn astrology and solicit consultation, advises and remedies based on planetary influences, why kjaulji shall strive to waste his time on proving these beliefs wrong. belief in any system of siddhanta is a matter of personal freedom, choice and right of any individual and no individual (including kaulji) can invade on the freedom of individuals to follow what they believe. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2008 Report Share Posted October 25, 2008 Dear all, I have had few exchanges with Kaulji and his few friends from various ids (???) supporting him. Unfortunately none of them can face a direct challenge which has been given to them so many times by me. I have already proved ( In a post in the forum " Ancient Indian astrology " ) about the existence of the Nodes and quoted from few scriptures the Chapter and shloka number which mention that the Rahu and Ketu were known to our ancients. This fellow then changed his stance that yes they are there, but........... Previous to this he was never accepting the nodes as existing in the Veda-Puranas. I can also prove to him with the proper shloka about the division of the sky in 12 partitions, which this man says was not known to us. Every argument of his can be negated. But why must we waste our time on such people ? Are we getting some prizes for trying to make the disbelievers into believers ? Missionaries get money for degrading Indian Gods, indin customs, indian beliefs, and for their efforts in converting people to their fold . But who gives us money for the time spent in teaching such people that what you are doing is nonsense? I have also asked Kaulji that if you think the ayanamsha etc. we use is wrong, then pray tell us which ayanamsha is right ? And How would you calculate the right ayanamsha , and prove the same is right by applying the same in various charts,to provide the indications of the events which have taken place in the chart owners Life. Plus other queries which I have put, none of them have elicited any reply till date. I was also banned from his Forum without any notice or warning which clearly proves that he does not like smarter people around. Such people are like those who use big names and subjects, to gain name and fame, which they achieve to derive from attacking such subjects like astrology and its practitioners. then there is another comedian who also bashes astrology and astrologers to earn name, fame and money. he has also written a book about the futility of astrology and astrologers. He needs a special write up which i will put up some other day. But whatever it is, such people are not having anything worthwhile in their own kitties, so they look at others who are better and superior to them, and then start bashing them. They are actually like termites and eating those wooden surfaces who gives them a base to stand. We must not waste time on such bigots, and neither give them undue publicity. regards, bhaskar. , " panditarjun2004 " <panditarjun2004 wrote: > > dear friends > > shri ak kaulji earlier rebutted the present calendar system which > according to him is incorrect as he seemed like having done enough > research on this subject and has historic evidences, dating of events > and fixing the dates etc. one can understand and appreciate his new > system just like a new ayanamsha. > > later he went on presenting astrology as a fraud and unheard in > vedas. > > then he said some planets found mention in vedas and few other > planets were not mentioned and were added by modern people later. > > when some members presented various ancient scriptural references of > all planets and all 27 stars finding mention in vedas and puranas, he > said that yes, planets and stars find mention in scriptures but not > for predictive purposes. > > now some members presented references from proper four vedas what > this planet in that star means etc., and kaulji started arguing that > yes, all these planets and stars were mentioned in ancient scriptures > but signs of zodiac like mesha etc., were never mentioned. > > let me state clearly that all nine planets, all 27 stars, all 12 > zodiac signs find mention in all ancient scriptures. specifically, > zodiac signs, which is the last missing item of kaulji in vedas, too > finds mention in the puranas, samhitas and shastras written by the > same sages. > > it is ignorant if one says that only four vedas are referral books > and not the others like vedangas, puranas, samhitas, shastras, > smritis etc. > > planets and stars are oft used by the natives even in the previous > three yugas. here is one puranic reference of description of a night > where the asura king durjaya visits and stays at the hermitage of > sage gauramukha. > > after the sun as red as aruna, set behind the mountains, the night > made its advent, adorned by the autumnal moon and the constellation > of pleiades (krittika). the moon, the spouse of rohini, diffused its > rays generating pleasure even to the sober people. next arose venus > the preceptor of the demons, sukra, the son of bhrigu, the overlord > of the daityas in company with saturn. he did not shine brilliantly > since he had joined the opposite camp just as by nature the intellect > of men does not shine if they associate with wrong side. mangala, > the son of the earth, also rose and diffused its reddish glow, while > rahu grew white by the white rays of the moon. the nature of the > world is shunned by the gods and demons. over the belt of rays > diffused by venus like the white path of sun, even the mightiest ketu > cannot make darkness. at that time the activities of the wicked was > also pure. the planet mercury, the son of the moon, endowed with > high intellect, shone brightly radiating the world with its glory and > moved for a long time in its own orbit. indeed such is the > similarity that exists among the honest. soon after, ketu came up > over the course of the moon and made the sky tawny for sometime. > verily, a vile person does never perform his trickery in a clean > manner before an assembly of virtuous persons. though the quarters > were all brightened by the rays of the moon, yet the light was > obstructed every time. Indeed, a righteous conduct is inherent in a > noble descent. eminence of the great comes through the association > with the noble. by the moon, son of varuna and aggravator of the > three maladies, the rays of the sun were completely overpowered. > verily, the injunctions of the Vedas can never be otherwise. dhruva, > the polar star, who, in his infancy in the past, had propitiated the > lord hari, did now make its appearance in the firmament in full glory > singular by its association with hari. night befell in this way over > the excellent hermitage of the sage. > > the above is how the night is described in all splendour of the > planets, stars and the constellations. > > members may kindly note that once I too agreed with kaulji that in > the previous yugas, there were sages who are all trikalajnanis who > knew the past, present and future just by their vision and astrology > for predictive purpose was not required for those elevated souls. in > fact the wide usage of astrology is seen in kaliyuga due to the sages > falling into minority and rare to find. > > hence my request to kaulji is that he shall desist from passing an > authoritative comment that vedas and puranas do not mention first > planets, then stars and now signs, for we all knew numerous instances > of these finding mention right from the four Vedas. > > based on the constitutional provisions and rights of this land, if > believers of astrology learn astrology and solicit consultation, > advises and remedies based on planetary influences, why kjaulji shall > strive to waste his time on proving these beliefs wrong. belief in > any system of siddhanta is a matter of personal freedom, choice and > right of any individual and no individual (including kaulji) can > invade on the freedom of individuals to follow what they believe. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraksharemedy.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2008 Report Share Posted October 25, 2008 DEAR BHASKARJI - REASEARCH ????????? LIFE IS VERY SHORT FOR DOING THIS, DO AND DIE, AND GET NOTHING, INFINIT IF AND BUT, NOTHING IS PERFECT 100%, YES FEW THINGS NEAR TO PERFECTION, BUT HOW MANY KNOWS????. ASTRO-PRIDICTION - NEVER EVER POSIIBILE NEAR TO PERFECTION WITHOUT GRACE OF ALMIGHTY. LEAVE IT BROTHER, WHY EXPEND YOUR TIME, THERE ARE MORE THEN 700 BILLION PEOPLE IN WORLD , WHO CAN SATISFIED TO THEM, OUR LIFE IS VERY MUCH SHORT, DO NOT HAVE TIME , AND I THINK YOU ALSO DO NOT HAVE TIME, MY ADVICE - DO NOT READ ALL THESE MAILS, YOU KNOW 700 BILLION HEADS AND SAME THOUGHTS - MAY TRY TO READ AND SOLEVE. JUST JOKING , BE HAPPY, LET THE BE ICON IN FALSE SKY - JUST SEE AND LAUGH. RGDS NIKET , " Bhaskar " <rajiventerprises wrote: > > Dear all, > > I have had few exchanges with Kaulji and his few friends from various > ids (???) supporting him. Unfortunately none of them can face a > direct challenge which has been given to them so many times by me. I > have already proved ( In a post in the forum " Ancient Indian > astrology " ) about the existence of the Nodes and quoted from few > scriptures the Chapter and shloka number which mention that the Rahu > and Ketu were known to our ancients. This fellow then changed his > stance that yes they are there, but........... Previous to this he > was never accepting the nodes as existing in the Veda-Puranas. I can > also prove to him with the proper shloka about the division of the > sky in 12 partitions, which this man says was not known to us. Every > argument of his can be negated. But why must we waste our time on > such people ? Are we getting some prizes for trying to make the > disbelievers into believers ? Missionaries get money for degrading > Indian Gods, indin customs, indian beliefs, and for their efforts in > converting people to their fold . But who gives us money for the time > spent in teaching such people that what you are doing is nonsense? > > I have also asked Kaulji that if you think the ayanamsha etc. we use > is wrong, then pray tell us which ayanamsha is right ? And How would > you calculate the right ayanamsha , and prove the same is right by > applying the same in various charts,to provide the indications of the > events which have taken place in the chart owners Life. Plus other > queries which I have put, none of them have elicited any reply till > date. I was also banned from his Forum without any notice or warning > which clearly proves that he does not like smarter people around. > Such people are like those who use big names and subjects, to gain > name and fame, which they achieve to derive from attacking such > subjects like astrology and its practitioners. then there is another > comedian who also bashes astrology and astrologers to earn name, fame > and money. he has also written a book about the futility of astrology > and astrologers. He needs a special write up which i will put up some > other day. But whatever it is, such people are not having anything > worthwhile in their own kitties, so they look at others who are > better and superior to them, and then start bashing them. They are > actually like termites and eating those wooden surfaces who gives > them a base to stand. > > We must not waste time on such bigots, and neither give them undue > publicity. > > regards, > bhaskar. > > > > > > , " panditarjun2004 " > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > dear friends > > > > shri ak kaulji earlier rebutted the present calendar system which > > according to him is incorrect as he seemed like having done enough > > research on this subject and has historic evidences, dating of > events > > and fixing the dates etc. one can understand and appreciate his new > > system just like a new ayanamsha. > > > > later he went on presenting astrology as a fraud and unheard in > > vedas. > > > > then he said some planets found mention in vedas and few other > > planets were not mentioned and were added by modern people later. > > > > when some members presented various ancient scriptural references of > > all planets and all 27 stars finding mention in vedas and puranas, > he > > said that yes, planets and stars find mention in scriptures but not > > for predictive purposes. > > > > now some members presented references from proper four vedas what > > this planet in that star means etc., and kaulji started arguing that > > yes, all these planets and stars were mentioned in ancient > scriptures > > but signs of zodiac like mesha etc., were never mentioned. > > > > let me state clearly that all nine planets, all 27 stars, all 12 > > zodiac signs find mention in all ancient scriptures. specifically, > > zodiac signs, which is the last missing item of kaulji in vedas, too > > finds mention in the puranas, samhitas and shastras written by the > > same sages. > > > > it is ignorant if one says that only four vedas are referral books > > and not the others like vedangas, puranas, samhitas, shastras, > > smritis etc. > > > > planets and stars are oft used by the natives even in the previous > > three yugas. here is one puranic reference of description of a night > > where the asura king durjaya visits and stays at the hermitage of > > sage gauramukha. > > > > after the sun as red as aruna, set behind the mountains, the night > > made its advent, adorned by the autumnal moon and the constellation > > of pleiades (krittika). the moon, the spouse of rohini, diffused its > > rays generating pleasure even to the sober people. next arose venus > > the preceptor of the demons, sukra, the son of bhrigu, the overlord > > of the daityas in company with saturn. he did not shine brilliantly > > since he had joined the opposite camp just as by nature the > intellect > > of men does not shine if they associate with wrong side. mangala, > > the son of the earth, also rose and diffused its reddish glow, while > > rahu grew white by the white rays of the moon. the nature of the > > world is shunned by the gods and demons. over the belt of rays > > diffused by venus like the white path of sun, even the mightiest > ketu > > cannot make darkness. at that time the activities of the wicked was > > also pure. the planet mercury, the son of the moon, endowed with > > high intellect, shone brightly radiating the world with its glory > and > > moved for a long time in its own orbit. indeed such is the > > similarity that exists among the honest. soon after, ketu came up > > over the course of the moon and made the sky tawny for sometime. > > verily, a vile person does never perform his trickery in a clean > > manner before an assembly of virtuous persons. though the quarters > > were all brightened by the rays of the moon, yet the light was > > obstructed every time. Indeed, a righteous conduct is inherent in a > > noble descent. eminence of the great comes through the association > > with the noble. by the moon, son of varuna and aggravator of the > > three maladies, the rays of the sun were completely overpowered. > > verily, the injunctions of the Vedas can never be otherwise. dhruva, > > the polar star, who, in his infancy in the past, had propitiated the > > lord hari, did now make its appearance in the firmament in full > glory > > singular by its association with hari. night befell in this way over > > the excellent hermitage of the sage. > > > > the above is how the night is described in all splendour of the > > planets, stars and the constellations. > > > > members may kindly note that once I too agreed with kaulji that in > > the previous yugas, there were sages who are all trikalajnanis who > > knew the past, present and future just by their vision and astrology > > for predictive purpose was not required for those elevated souls. in > > fact the wide usage of astrology is seen in kaliyuga due to the > sages > > falling into minority and rare to find. > > > > hence my request to kaulji is that he shall desist from passing an > > authoritative comment that vedas and puranas do not mention first > > planets, then stars and now signs, for we all knew numerous > instances > > of these finding mention right from the four Vedas. > > > > based on the constitutional provisions and rights of this land, if > > believers of astrology learn astrology and solicit consultation, > > advises and remedies based on planetary influences, why kjaulji > shall > > strive to waste his time on proving these beliefs wrong. belief in > > any system of siddhanta is a matter of personal freedom, choice and > > right of any individual and no individual (including kaulji) can > > invade on the freedom of individuals to follow what they believe. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2008 Report Share Posted October 26, 2008 dear bhaskarji your observation is correct that we shall not waste our time and give undue publicity to them. but, we must also let the world in general and shri ak kaulji in particular understand that individuals have a right, choice and freedom to believe and practice any religion, mythology or astrology and solicit astrologers for remedies or for predictions. indulging in continuous negative derogatory remarks on believers of astrology, especially in the groups formed and joined by believers of astrology, is invasion into the freedom and practice of these believers. he can form his own group on disbelievers, rationalists or athiests and those who trash astrology as fraud. my only reason for writing this post is that disbelievers must not be allowed in the first place to enter a group of believers. he has liberty to join or form a group of disbelievers. anyway, since that man is not active in this group, we may rest the matter. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy.com , " Bhaskar " <rajiventerprises wrote: > > Dear all, > > I have had few exchanges with Kaulji and his few friends from various > ids (???) supporting him. Unfortunately none of them can face a > direct challenge which has been given to them so many times by me. I > have already proved ( In a post in the forum " Ancient Indian > astrology " ) about the existence of the Nodes and quoted from few > scriptures the Chapter and shloka number which mention that the Rahu > and Ketu were known to our ancients. This fellow then changed his > stance that yes they are there, but........... Previous to this he > was never accepting the nodes as existing in the Veda-Puranas. I can > also prove to him with the proper shloka about the division of the > sky in 12 partitions, which this man says was not known to us. Every > argument of his can be negated. But why must we waste our time on > such people ? Are we getting some prizes for trying to make the > disbelievers into believers ? Missionaries get money for degrading > Indian Gods, indin customs, indian beliefs, and for their efforts in > converting people to their fold . But who gives us money for the time > spent in teaching such people that what you are doing is nonsense? > > I have also asked Kaulji that if you think the ayanamsha etc. we use > is wrong, then pray tell us which ayanamsha is right ? And How would > you calculate the right ayanamsha , and prove the same is right by > applying the same in various charts,to provide the indications of the > events which have taken place in the chart owners Life. Plus other > queries which I have put, none of them have elicited any reply till > date. I was also banned from his Forum without any notice or warning > which clearly proves that he does not like smarter people around. > Such people are like those who use big names and subjects, to gain > name and fame, which they achieve to derive from attacking such > subjects like astrology and its practitioners. then there is another > comedian who also bashes astrology and astrologers to earn name, fame > and money. he has also written a book about the futility of astrology > and astrologers. He needs a special write up which i will put up some > other day. But whatever it is, such people are not having anything > worthwhile in their own kitties, so they look at others who are > better and superior to them, and then start bashing them. They are > actually like termites and eating those wooden surfaces who gives > them a base to stand. > > We must not waste time on such bigots, and neither give them undue > publicity. > > regards, > bhaskar. > > > > > > , " panditarjun2004 " > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > dear friends > > > > shri ak kaulji earlier rebutted the present calendar system which > > according to him is incorrect as he seemed like having done enough > > research on this subject and has historic evidences, dating of > events > > and fixing the dates etc. one can understand and appreciate his new > > system just like a new ayanamsha. > > > > later he went on presenting astrology as a fraud and unheard in > > vedas. > > > > then he said some planets found mention in vedas and few other > > planets were not mentioned and were added by modern people later. > > > > when some members presented various ancient scriptural references of > > all planets and all 27 stars finding mention in vedas and puranas, > he > > said that yes, planets and stars find mention in scriptures but not > > for predictive purposes. > > > > now some members presented references from proper four vedas what > > this planet in that star means etc., and kaulji started arguing that > > yes, all these planets and stars were mentioned in ancient > scriptures > > but signs of zodiac like mesha etc., were never mentioned. > > > > let me state clearly that all nine planets, all 27 stars, all 12 > > zodiac signs find mention in all ancient scriptures. specifically, > > zodiac signs, which is the last missing item of kaulji in vedas, too > > finds mention in the puranas, samhitas and shastras written by the > > same sages. > > > > it is ignorant if one says that only four vedas are referral books > > and not the others like vedangas, puranas, samhitas, shastras, > > smritis etc. > > > > planets and stars are oft used by the natives even in the previous > > three yugas. here is one puranic reference of description of a night > > where the asura king durjaya visits and stays at the hermitage of > > sage gauramukha. > > > > after the sun as red as aruna, set behind the mountains, the night > > made its advent, adorned by the autumnal moon and the constellation > > of pleiades (krittika). the moon, the spouse of rohini, diffused its > > rays generating pleasure even to the sober people. next arose venus > > the preceptor of the demons, sukra, the son of bhrigu, the overlord > > of the daityas in company with saturn. he did not shine brilliantly > > since he had joined the opposite camp just as by nature the > intellect > > of men does not shine if they associate with wrong side. mangala, > > the son of the earth, also rose and diffused its reddish glow, while > > rahu grew white by the white rays of the moon. the nature of the > > world is shunned by the gods and demons. over the belt of rays > > diffused by venus like the white path of sun, even the mightiest > ketu > > cannot make darkness. at that time the activities of the wicked was > > also pure. the planet mercury, the son of the moon, endowed with > > high intellect, shone brightly radiating the world with its glory > and > > moved for a long time in its own orbit. indeed such is the > > similarity that exists among the honest. soon after, ketu came up > > over the course of the moon and made the sky tawny for sometime. > > verily, a vile person does never perform his trickery in a clean > > manner before an assembly of virtuous persons. though the quarters > > were all brightened by the rays of the moon, yet the light was > > obstructed every time. Indeed, a righteous conduct is inherent in a > > noble descent. eminence of the great comes through the association > > with the noble. by the moon, son of varuna and aggravator of the > > three maladies, the rays of the sun were completely overpowered. > > verily, the injunctions of the Vedas can never be otherwise. dhruva, > > the polar star, who, in his infancy in the past, had propitiated the > > lord hari, did now make its appearance in the firmament in full > glory > > singular by its association with hari. night befell in this way over > > the excellent hermitage of the sage. > > > > the above is how the night is described in all splendour of the > > planets, stars and the constellations. > > > > members may kindly note that once I too agreed with kaulji that in > > the previous yugas, there were sages who are all trikalajnanis who > > knew the past, present and future just by their vision and astrology > > for predictive purpose was not required for those elevated souls. in > > fact the wide usage of astrology is seen in kaliyuga due to the > sages > > falling into minority and rare to find. > > > > hence my request to kaulji is that he shall desist from passing an > > authoritative comment that vedas and puranas do not mention first > > planets, then stars and now signs, for we all knew numerous > instances > > of these finding mention right from the four Vedas. > > > > based on the constitutional provisions and rights of this land, if > > believers of astrology learn astrology and solicit consultation, > > advises and remedies based on planetary influences, why kjaulji > shall > > strive to waste his time on proving these beliefs wrong. belief in > > any system of siddhanta is a matter of personal freedom, choice and > > right of any individual and no individual (including kaulji) can > > invade on the freedom of individuals to follow what they believe. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2008 Report Share Posted October 26, 2008 Dear Arjun ji, it is a v good piece to counter the head strong and blind AK nut, no one can ever make him a fraction wiser as he is fixed on his madness and as many have said he is funded by missionaries to descridt and decry all Hindi/vedic heritage, it will be a loo for humanity should Hinduism weakne or shrink as it is the only religion that never invaded. conquered other regions or for that matter its propogation is self generated and has many branhces of deities to choose from from the local deity to the Almight trinity. astrology has also been mentioned in both ramayana and Mahabharatha too in several episodes, I havecovered some but not thru the textual depth Arjun ji has I hope he will do this favor also to us Prashant I use BV Raman & #39;s Ayanamsa=Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman & #39;s. NONE OTHER. 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Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. ________________________________ panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 Sunday, October 26, 2008 8:45:51 AM Re: answers to AK Kaulji dear bhaskarji your observation is correct that we shall not waste our time and give undue publicity to them. but, we must also let the world in general and shri ak kaulji in particular understand that individuals have a right, choice and freedom to believe and practice any religion, mythology or astrology and solicit astrologers for remedies or for predictions. indulging in continuous negative derogatory remarks on believers of astrology, especially in the groups formed and joined by believers of astrology, is invasion into the freedom and practice of these believers. he can form his own group on disbelievers, rationalists or athiests and those who trash astrology as fraud. my only reason for writing this post is that disbelievers must not be allowed in the first place to enter a group of believers. he has liberty to join or form a group of disbelievers. anyway, since that man is not active in this group, we may rest the matter. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy .com , " Bhaskar " <rajiventerprises@ ...> wrote: > > Dear all, > > I have had few exchanges with Kaulji and his few friends from various > ids (???) supporting him. Unfortunately none of them can face a > direct challenge which has been given to them so many times by me. I > have already proved ( In a post in the forum " Ancient Indian > astrology " ) about the existence of the Nodes and quoted from few > scriptures the Chapter and shloka number which mention that the Rahu > and Ketu were known to our ancients. This fellow then changed his > stance that yes they are there, but......... .. Previous to this he > was never accepting the nodes as existing in the Veda-Puranas. I can > also prove to him with the proper shloka about the division of the > sky in 12 partitions, which this man says was not known to us. Every > argument of his can be negated. But why must we waste our time on > such people ? Are we getting some prizes for trying to make the > disbelievers into believers ? Missionaries get money for degrading > Indian Gods, indin customs, indian beliefs, and for their efforts in > converting people to their fold . But who gives us money for the time > spent in teaching such people that what you are doing is nonsense? > > I have also asked Kaulji that if you think the ayanamsha etc. we use > is wrong, then pray tell us which ayanamsha is right ? And How would > you calculate the right ayanamsha , and prove the same is right by > applying the same in various charts,to provide the indications of the > events which have taken place in the chart owners Life. Plus other > queries which I have put, none of them have elicited any reply till > date. I was also banned from his Forum without any notice or warning > which clearly proves that he does not like smarter people around. > Such people are like those who use big names and subjects, to gain > name and fame, which they achieve to derive from attacking such > subjects like astrology and its practitioners. then there is another > comedian who also bashes astrology and astrologers to earn name, fame > and money. he has also written a book about the futility of astrology > and astrologers. He needs a special write up which i will put up some > other day. But whatever it is, such people are not having anything > worthwhile in their own kitties, so they look at others who are > better and superior to them, and then start bashing them. They are > actually like termites and eating those wooden surfaces who gives > them a base to stand. > > We must not waste time on such bigots, and neither give them undue > publicity. > > regards, > bhaskar. > > > > > > , " panditarjun2004 " > <panditarjun2004@ > wrote: > > > > dear friends > > > > shri ak kaulji earlier rebutted the present calendar system which > > according to him is incorrect as he seemed like having done enough > > research on this subject and has historic evidences, dating of > events > > and fixing the dates etc. one can understand and appreciate his new > > system just like a new ayanamsha. > > > > later he went on presenting astrology as a fraud and unheard in > > vedas. > > > > then he said some planets found mention in vedas and few other > > planets were not mentioned and were added by modern people later. > > > > when some members presented various ancient scriptural references of > > all planets and all 27 stars finding mention in vedas and puranas, > he > > said that yes, planets and stars find mention in scriptures but not > > for predictive purposes. > > > > now some members presented references from proper four vedas what > > this planet in that star means etc., and kaulji started arguing that > > yes, all these planets and stars were mentioned in ancient > scriptures > > but signs of zodiac like mesha etc., were never mentioned. > > > > let me state clearly that all nine planets, all 27 stars, all 12 > > zodiac signs find mention in all ancient scriptures. specifically, > > zodiac signs, which is the last missing item of kaulji in vedas, too > > finds mention in the puranas, samhitas and shastras written by the > > same sages. > > > > it is ignorant if one says that only four vedas are referral books > > and not the others like vedangas, puranas, samhitas, shastras, > > smritis etc. > > > > planets and stars are oft used by the natives even in the previous > > three yugas. here is one puranic reference of description of a night > > where the asura king durjaya visits and stays at the hermitage of > > sage gauramukha. > > > > after the sun as red as aruna, set behind the mountains, the night > > made its advent, adorned by the autumnal moon and the constellation > > of pleiades (krittika). the moon, the spouse of rohini, diffused its > > rays generating pleasure even to the sober people. next arose venus > > the preceptor of the demons, sukra, the son of bhrigu, the overlord > > of the daityas in company with saturn. he did not shine brilliantly > > since he had joined the opposite camp just as by nature the > intellect > > of men does not shine if they associate with wrong side. mangala, > > the son of the earth, also rose and diffused its reddish glow, while > > rahu grew white by the white rays of the moon. the nature of the > > world is shunned by the gods and demons. over the belt of rays > > diffused by venus like the white path of sun, even the mightiest > ketu > > cannot make darkness. at that time the activities of the wicked was > > also pure. the planet mercury, the son of the moon, endowed with > > high intellect, shone brightly radiating the world with its glory > and > > moved for a long time in its own orbit. indeed such is the > > similarity that exists among the honest. soon after, ketu came up > > over the course of the moon and made the sky tawny for sometime. > > verily, a vile person does never perform his trickery in a clean > > manner before an assembly of virtuous persons. though the quarters > > were all brightened by the rays of the moon, yet the light was > > obstructed every time. Indeed, a righteous conduct is inherent in a > > noble descent. eminence of the great comes through the association > > with the noble. by the moon, son of varuna and aggravator of the > > three maladies, the rays of the sun were completely overpowered. > > verily, the injunctions of the Vedas can never be otherwise. dhruva, > > the polar star, who, in his infancy in the past, had propitiated the > > lord hari, did now make its appearance in the firmament in full > glory > > singular by its association with hari. night befell in this way over > > the excellent hermitage of the sage. > > > > the above is how the night is described in all splendour of the > > planets, stars and the constellations. > > > > members may kindly note that once I too agreed with kaulji that in > > the previous yugas, there were sages who are all trikalajnanis who > > knew the past, present and future just by their vision and astrology > > for predictive purpose was not required for those elevated souls. in > > fact the wide usage of astrology is seen in kaliyuga due to the > sages > > falling into minority and rare to find. > > > > hence my request to kaulji is that he shall desist from passing an > > authoritative comment that vedas and puranas do not mention first > > planets, then stars and now signs, for we all knew numerous > instances > > of these finding mention right from the four Vedas. > > > > based on the constitutional provisions and rights of this land, if > > believers of astrology learn astrology and solicit consultation, > > advises and remedies based on planetary influences, why kjaulji > shall > > strive to waste his time on proving these beliefs wrong. belief in > > any system of siddhanta is a matter of personal freedom, choice and > > right of any individual and no individual (including kaulji) can > > invade on the freedom of individuals to follow what they believe. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2008 Report Share Posted October 26, 2008 Dear Pandit Arjunji,Bhaskarji and members, In the respect of Mr.Kaul or others who are in wrong intention about Indian Astrology and dragging you all to response him,I would like to share with all of you which I have share with Mr.Maheswari in other forum.Just read it :- " Re: Fwd: Astrology in vedas -a reply Dear Maheswaraji, In this regard I will like to share with you one episode " As like these person who involved in bad tectis,once asked a question to Ramkrishan Parmhansh " Is God exist? " Rama reply " Yes God is exist " Person said " Prove it " Rama said " God is exist i know him,If you want to know search it yourself " So their is no limit for wrong arguments,that will going on because this type of notorious person or Groups are just dragging others in their bad games. We know our culture and History no need to prove it to others.Our Purana,Vedas already have written so many things which to-day's scientist are rediscovering. You have given right answer to them. Please accept my best appreciations for your noble work. Thanks, M.S.Bohra " I hope it will helpful to you all to make cool. Thanks, M.S.Bohra -- In , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: > > Dear Arjun ji, > > it is a v good piece to counter the head strong and blind AK nut, no one can ever make him a fraction wiser as he is fixed on his madness and as many have said he is funded by missionaries to descridt and decry all Hindi/vedic heritage, it will be a loo for humanity should Hinduism weakne or shrink as it is the only religion that never invaded. conquered other regions or for that matter its propogation is self generated and has many branhces of deities to choose from from the local deity to the Almight trinity. > > astrology has also been mentioned in both ramayana and Mahabharatha too in several episodes, I havecovered some but not thru the textual depth Arjun ji has I hope he will do this favor also to us > > Prashant > > I use BV Raman & #39;s Ayanamsa=Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman & #39;s. NONE OTHER. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > > > ________________________________ > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 > > Sunday, October 26, 2008 8:45:51 AM > Re: answers to AK Kaulji > > > dear bhaskarji > > your observation is correct that we shall not waste our time and give > undue publicity to them. but, we must also let the world in general > and shri ak kaulji in particular understand that individuals have a > right, choice and freedom to believe and practice any religion, > mythology or astrology and solicit astrologers for remedies or for > predictions. > > indulging in continuous negative derogatory remarks on believers of > astrology, especially in the groups formed and joined by believers of > astrology, is invasion into the freedom and practice of these > believers. he can form his own group on disbelievers, rationalists > or athiests and those who trash astrology as fraud. > > my only reason for writing this post is that disbelievers must not be > allowed in the first place to enter a group of believers. he has > liberty to join or form a group of disbelievers. > > anyway, since that man is not active in this group, we may rest the > matter. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > , " Bhaskar " > <rajiventerprises@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear all, > > > > I have had few exchanges with Kaulji and his few friends from > various > > ids (???) supporting him. Unfortunately none of them can face a > > direct challenge which has been given to them so many times by me. I > > have already proved ( In a post in the forum " Ancient Indian > > astrology " ) about the existence of the Nodes and quoted from few > > scriptures the Chapter and shloka number which mention that the Rahu > > and Ketu were known to our ancients. This fellow then changed his > > stance that yes they are there, but......... .. Previous to this he > > was never accepting the nodes as existing in the Veda-Puranas. I can > > also prove to him with the proper shloka about the division of the > > sky in 12 partitions, which this man says was not known to us. Every > > argument of his can be negated. But why must we waste our time on > > such people ? Are we getting some prizes for trying to make the > > disbelievers into believers ? Missionaries get money for degrading > > Indian Gods, indin customs, indian beliefs, and for their efforts in > > converting people to their fold . But who gives us money for the > time > > spent in teaching such people that what you are doing is nonsense? > > > > I have also asked Kaulji that if you think the ayanamsha etc. we use > > is wrong, then pray tell us which ayanamsha is right ? And How would > > you calculate the right ayanamsha , and prove the same is right by > > applying the same in various charts,to provide the indications of > the > > events which have taken place in the chart owners Life. Plus other > > queries which I have put, none of them have elicited any reply till > > date. I was also banned from his Forum without any notice or warning > > which clearly proves that he does not like smarter people around. > > Such people are like those who use big names and subjects, to gain > > name and fame, which they achieve to derive from attacking such > > subjects like astrology and its practitioners. then there is another > > comedian who also bashes astrology and astrologers to earn name, > fame > > and money. he has also written a book about the futility of > astrology > > and astrologers. He needs a special write up which i will put up > some > > other day. But whatever it is, such people are not having anything > > worthwhile in their own kitties, so they look at others who are > > better and superior to them, and then start bashing them. They are > > actually like termites and eating those wooden surfaces who gives > > them a base to stand. > > > > We must not waste time on such bigots, and neither give them undue > > publicity. > > > > regards, > > bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > , " panditarjun2004 " > > <panditarjun2004@ > wrote: > > > > > > dear friends > > > > > > shri ak kaulji earlier rebutted the present calendar system which > > > according to him is incorrect as he seemed like having done enough > > > research on this subject and has historic evidences, dating of > > events > > > and fixing the dates etc. one can understand and appreciate his > new > > > system just like a new ayanamsha. > > > > > > later he went on presenting astrology as a fraud and unheard in > > > vedas. > > > > > > then he said some planets found mention in vedas and few other > > > planets were not mentioned and were added by modern people later. > > > > > > when some members presented various ancient scriptural references > of > > > all planets and all 27 stars finding mention in vedas and puranas, > > he > > > said that yes, planets and stars find mention in scriptures but > not > > > for predictive purposes. > > > > > > now some members presented references from proper four vedas what > > > this planet in that star means etc., and kaulji started arguing > that > > > yes, all these planets and stars were mentioned in ancient > > scriptures > > > but signs of zodiac like mesha etc., were never mentioned. > > > > > > let me state clearly that all nine planets, all 27 stars, all 12 > > > zodiac signs find mention in all ancient scriptures. specifically, > > > zodiac signs, which is the last missing item of kaulji in vedas, > too > > > finds mention in the puranas, samhitas and shastras written by the > > > same sages. > > > > > > it is ignorant if one says that only four vedas are referral books > > > and not the others like vedangas, puranas, samhitas, shastras, > > > smritis etc. > > > > > > planets and stars are oft used by the natives even in the previous > > > three yugas. here is one puranic reference of description of a > night > > > where the asura king durjaya visits and stays at the hermitage of > > > sage gauramukha. > > > > > > after the sun as red as aruna, set behind the mountains, the night > > > made its advent, adorned by the autumnal moon and the > constellation > > > of pleiades (krittika). the moon, the spouse of rohini, diffused > its > > > rays generating pleasure even to the sober people. next arose > venus > > > the preceptor of the demons, sukra, the son of bhrigu, the > overlord > > > of the daityas in company with saturn. he did not shine > brilliantly > > > since he had joined the opposite camp just as by nature the > > intellect > > > of men does not shine if they associate with wrong side. mangala, > > > the son of the earth, also rose and diffused its reddish glow, > while > > > rahu grew white by the white rays of the moon. the nature of the > > > world is shunned by the gods and demons. over the belt of rays > > > diffused by venus like the white path of sun, even the mightiest > > ketu > > > cannot make darkness. at that time the activities of the wicked > was > > > also pure. the planet mercury, the son of the moon, endowed with > > > high intellect, shone brightly radiating the world with its glory > > and > > > moved for a long time in its own orbit. indeed such is the > > > similarity that exists among the honest. soon after, ketu came up > > > over the course of the moon and made the sky tawny for sometime. > > > verily, a vile person does never perform his trickery in a clean > > > manner before an assembly of virtuous persons. though the quarters > > > were all brightened by the rays of the moon, yet the light was > > > obstructed every time. Indeed, a righteous conduct is inherent in > a > > > noble descent. eminence of the great comes through the association > > > with the noble. by the moon, son of varuna and aggravator of the > > > three maladies, the rays of the sun were completely overpowered. > > > verily, the injunctions of the Vedas can never be otherwise. > dhruva, > > > the polar star, who, in his infancy in the past, had propitiated > the > > > lord hari, did now make its appearance in the firmament in full > > glory > > > singular by its association with hari. night befell in this way > over > > > the excellent hermitage of the sage. > > > > > > the above is how the night is described in all splendour of the > > > planets, stars and the constellations. > > > > > > members may kindly note that once I too agreed with kaulji that in > > > the previous yugas, there were sages who are all trikalajnanis who > > > knew the past, present and future just by their vision and > astrology > > > for predictive purpose was not required for those elevated souls. > in > > > fact the wide usage of astrology is seen in kaliyuga due to the > > sages > > > falling into minority and rare to find. > > > > > > hence my request to kaulji is that he shall desist from passing an > > > authoritative comment that vedas and puranas do not mention first > > > planets, then stars and now signs, for we all knew numerous > > instances > > > of these finding mention right from the four Vedas. > > > > > > based on the constitutional provisions and rights of this land, if > > > believers of astrology learn astrology and solicit consultation, > > > advises and remedies based on planetary influences, why kjaulji > > shall > > > strive to waste his time on proving these beliefs wrong. belief in > > > any system of siddhanta is a matter of personal freedom, choice > and > > > right of any individual and no individual (including kaulji) can > > > invade on the freedom of individuals to follow what they believe. > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > pandit arjun > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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