i am banned -vijayaraghavan -i win too

October 16, 2008

dear astrolovers

( dear moderater pls allow this post in interest a gr8 tradition and

astrology and no personal attack intented except meeting some of

challeges posed by some internet frauds )

I am banned frm the forums of avatar krishna kaul ( AKK ) and sanat

jain who says astrology is fraud and astrologers r frads and charlattans

they humiliate rishis and paramparas ,so i questioned them on logical

grounds for last 15 Plus days and they were groping in dark ,but i am

happy i achieved my mission of opening their mask and showing to the

world that this r some elements funded by evangelic xian organisations

who wanted destroy all systms and practises of hindus so as to convert

them ,only in world they failed in india even after 200 yrs of pumping

milions and millions of dollars ,so now they r aiming at astrology as

they know now english education and general non awareness of hindus and

their selfishness already paved way for deterioration in astrology(

including veda ,mantras and even anything related to religion ) and

thinks this is right opportunity ,other wise even British east india

company sponsored max muller etc who later become lovers of hindu

scriptures and philosophy after coming to know abt it ,even after taking

large amnts as sponsorship and they were assigned to find way to destroy

hindu culture .But now our own carelessness is contributing for the

cause .

so pls read my reply posted in their grp after they banned me and i am

still ready to meet their challenges if they meet my requiremnts

here is my post in their grp after they ban me ( in another id )

===========================

dear grp .

I joined this grp because i hav seen since yrs this ppl uses vedic

astrologers and blvers as a tool to accomplish their aim which is hidden

,deliberate ,willfull agenda and no way they r ready to accept any thing

except their line of arguemnts ,what ever u write will b sidelined to

suit their discussion .

for exmple when i wrote abt the exprnce of sir woodraw wyath( he got

predictions frm some raja jyothishi while he was a young man and all

came true upto every word ) he ( AKK -avatar krishna kaul ) was quoting

some report came in TV that some lunatic man who claimed as astrologer (

it was proved too later ) predicted some thing and gone wrong ( think

india with 60 plus yrs after independence he cud quote one instance with

1 billion ppl ) .

and they know the errosion in astology and lack of learning classics in

old style and disappearance of gurukulas and even non teaching of

sankrit has contributed gr8er misunderstanding and various schools also

sprung up claiming various theoreys ( but they says all astro is fraud

as no astrologer answerd them ) And says they stands for vedic culture

in hindus .

but all this dont justifys their stand .because they r not working for

resurrection of astrology or even vedas ,did they strt training vedic

pundits for future ,NO will ask u did u read vedas and wat ever u say

will b twisted with some other excuses what they may find fit for them .

Now think how this frauds one who claims science in everything and

another calender fraud co joined ??wat may b reason ??did they come with

same plan some hidden agenda ??means they r recruits of same mission

,one says he is happy when calender is redesigned to suit his lunatic

mind ( he says according to vedas ) and other says if we can show

scintific proof in dictums he is happy and invited 1 yr old kids and

asking all this where as they claims +35 yrs or 50 yrs in vedic

astrology .

so i asked them to show me in charts which will b selected and posted by

me ,where it fails first

because if A=B then B shud b equal to A too simple mathematical

scintific arguement right ??

on this science grounding i asked them too show it ,but they r not ready

to show or nor interested ( because only agenda is to destroy some how

vedic astrology ) ,where as they humilated every one in the name of

astrology with sugar coated pills ,off cource uses good laungage too

call u fraud where as i dont spare my time and i call directly . ( even

i told them still repeating if u dont follow guidelines of discussions i

will do it again ) because who ever they call fraud or mlecha are rishis

i feel they r my pitrus even .My gotra pitamaha 's

many r invited here and they guillettined ,one LY rao,he said he used

prashna for short period and said some RP planet will show the result

,any fool will understand the prashna is for purticular thing ,or

question and appliacble only to a certain period ,but this fake ids r

coming in like a pack of wolfs to attack that gentle man and asking so

RP planet will show everytime ,did they show courtesy to see in actual

grounds ,Big no ,so much is their scientifc thinking

even i asked to this AKK to answer me .

what is the use of ur calendar

1 ) show me why we shud use Muhurta as u say it is in vedic astrology

,if it is not predictiv ??( predictiv gimmick )

2) why we shud use festival which u say as vedas r not devine or not

even old as some one claims and its according to christian geneology

word has happened just 4300 b4 or so yrs b4 ,so he cannot accpet it

3) also i asked him let us discuss vedas and his understanding

4) can it b used for atleast for agriculture ??as farmers wanted to know

when will b rain next time ,as the njattu vela calenders used in kerala

shows .

so what was is the aim this 2 frauds .

then says they blv in karma theorey as krishna said

does we say we dont blv in karma theory but this adage by them is total

bull shit as karma theory itself saying abt immortality of soulsand

rebirths and its missions and destiny ,if u blv so then wat proof they

want s to see its efficacy where as they blv one life theory like

christians ,so working for them ,just do any thing to achieve ur mission

..eat drink be merry as there is only one life ,kill any one ,sell u r

mom even to acheive ur goal .

other wise let them explain how and why some one is born blind with

their karma theory ?? if it is removable by ur own efforts let them

teach us .dear grp pls think may b none of u can become a bill gates or

even warren buffet even if u try 24x7 without even sleeping ,ask them to

proov all this

they r gr8 cheaters and traiters of hindu ,hindustan

identify them and try to bannish them frm this soil as they sell their

own mother for few dollars

regrds your vijayaraghavan ,

ps -sanat and AKK if u r ready i am going to stay here till u ban me

again or delet ur grp and ask forgivance ,now i am determined .

October 16, 2008

Dear Raghavan,

Namaskar,

Yes, I banned you for using filthy language against the members

despite my personal warning to you for using decent language while

interacting in the forum.

Joining the forum is open to all hence it is not your victory, but

you are exploiting the privilege of the forum.

Now I will continue to ban your multiple ID, without warning. Let

members know how you are expert in exploiting the simplicity of

others. It would have been better if you tender your apology for your

filthy language. I will like to suggest you that first of all improve

your language only then you may be able to continue in this forum.

Bye,

Sanat,

PS

However, if you want to interact with me then you can write to me

with your volume of filthy language on my email

sanatkumar_jain. I will pass on your msg in the group

after examining it and revert back the answers if any. But henceforth

you are not eligible in the group.

Other member may write me as to whether filthy and abusive language

may be allowed in this forum? Let me know such members.

, " raghavanvijaya49 "

<raghavanvijaya49 wrote:

>

> dear grp .

>

> I joined this grp because i hav seen since yrs this ppl uses vedic

> astrologers and blvers as a tool to accomplish their aim which is

hidden

> ,deliberate ,willfull agenda and no way they r ready to accept any

thing

> except their line of arguemnts ,what ever u write will b sidelined

to

> suit their discussion .

>

> for exmple when i wrote abt the exprnce of sir woodraw wyath he was

> quoting some report came in TV that some lunatic man who claimed as

> astrologer ( it was proved too later ) predicted some thing ( think

> india with 60 plus yrs after independence he cud quote one instance

with

> 1 billion ppl ) .

>

> and they know the errosion in astology and lack of learning

classics in

> old style and disappearance of gurukulas and even non teaching of

> sankrit has contributed gr8er misunderstanding and various schools

also

> sprung up claiming various theoreys

>

> but all this dont justifys their stand .because they r not working

for

> resurrection of astrology or even vedas ,did they strt training

vedic

> pundits for future ,NO will ask u did u read vedas and wat ever u

say

> will b twisted with some other excuses what they may find fit for

them .

>

> Now think how this frauds one who claims science in everything and

> another calender fraud co joined ??wat may b reason ??did they come

with

> same plan some hidden agenda ??means they r recruits of same

mission

> ,one says he is happy when calender is redesigned to suit his

lunatic

> mind ( he says according to vedas ) and other says if we can show

> scintific proof in dictums he is happy and invited 1 yr old kids

and

> asking all this where as they claims +35 yrs or 50 yrs in vedic

> astrology .

>

> so i asked them to show me in charts which will b selected and

posted by

> me ,where it fails first

>

> because if A=B then B shud b equal to A too simple mathematical

> scintific arguement right ??

>

> on this science grounding i asked them too show it ,but they r not

ready

> to show or nor interested ( because only agenda is to destroy some

how

> vedic astrology ) ,where as they humilated every one in the name of

> astrology with sugar coated pills ,off cource uses good laungage too

> call u fraud where as i dont spare my time and i call directly . (

even

> i told them still repeating if u dont follow guidelines of

discussions i

> will do it again ) because who ever they call fraud or mlecha are

rishis

> i feel they r my pitrus even .My gotra pitamaha 's

>

> many r invited here and they guillettined ,one LY rao,he said he

used

> prashna for short period and said some RP planet will show the

result

> ,any fool will understand the prashna is for purticular thing ,or

> question and appliacble only to a certain period ,but this fake ids

r

> coming in like a pack of wolfs to attack that gentle man and asking

so

> RP planet will show everytime ,did they show courtesy to see in

actual

> grounds ,Big no ,so much is their scientifc thinking

>

> even i asked to this AKK to answer me .

>

> what is the use of ur calendar

>

> 1 ) show me why we shud use Muhurta as u say it is in vedic

astrology

> ,if it is not predictiv ??( predictiv gimmick )

>

> 2) why we shud use festival which u say as vedas r not devine or not

> even old as some one claims and its according to christian geneology

> word has happened just 4300 b4 or so yrs b4 ,so he cannot accpet it

>

> 3) also i asked him let us discuss vedas and his understanding

>

> 4) can it b used for atleast for agriculture ??as farmers wanted to

know

> when will b rain next time ,as the njattu vela calenders used in

kerala

> shows .

>

> so what was is the aim this 2 frauds .

>

> then says they blv in karma theorey as krishna said

>

> does we say we dont blv in karma theory but this adage by them is

total

> bull shit as karma theory itself saying abt immortality of soulsand

> rebirths and its missions and destiny ,if u blv so then wat proof

they

> want s to see its efficacy where as they blv one life theory like

> christians ,so working for them ,just do any thing to achieve ur

mission

> .eat drink be merry as there is only one life ,kill any one ,sell u

r

> mom even to acheive ur goal .

>

> other wise let them explain how and why some one is born blind with

> their karma theory ?? if it is removable by ur own efforts let them

> teach us .dear grp pls think may b none of u can become a bill

gates or

> even warren buffet even if u try 24x7 without even sleeping ,ask

them to

> proov all this

>

> they r gr8 cheaters and traiters of hindu ,hindustan

>

> identify them and try to bannish them frm this soil as they sell

their

> own mother for few dollars

>

> regrds your vijayaraghavan ,

>

> ps -sanat and AKK if u r ready i am going to stay here till u ban me

> again or delet ur grp and ask forgivance ,now i am determined .

>

October 17, 2008

Hi,

Pl. send me you contact. I am coming to Guruvayur on dec.6th evening.

regards,

Harish

vedic astrology: lion_draco1983: Thu, 16

Oct 2008 06:03:33 +0000[vedic astrology] I am banned -vijayaraghavan -i

win too

dear astrolovers( dear moderater pls allow this post in interest a gr8 tradition

andastrology and no personal attack intented except meeting some ofchalleges

posed by some internet frauds )I am banned frm the forums of avatar krishna kaul

( AKK ) and sanatjain who says astrology is fraud and astrologers r frads and

charlattansthey humiliate rishis and paramparas ,so i questioned them on

logicalgrounds for last 15 Plus days and they were groping in dark ,but i

amhappy i achieved my mission of opening their mask and showing to theworld that

this r some elements funded by evangelic xian organisationswho wanted destroy

all systms and practises of hindus so as to convertthem ,only in world they

failed in india even after 200 yrs of pumpingmilions and millions of dollars ,so

now they r aiming at astrology asthey know now english education and general non

awareness of hindus andtheir selfishness already paved way for deterioration in

astrology(including veda ,mantras and even anything related to religion )

andthinks this is right opportunity ,other wise even British east indiacompany

sponsored max muller etc who later become lovers of hinduscriptures and

philosophy after coming to know abt it ,even after takinglarge amnts as

sponsorship and they were assigned to find way to destroyhindu culture .But now

our own carelessness is contributing for thecause .so pls read my reply posted

in their grp after they banned me and i amstill ready to meet their challenges

if they meet my requiremntshere is my post in their grp after they ban me ( in

another id )===========================dear grp .I joined this grp because i hav

seen since yrs this ppl uses vedicastrologers and blvers as a tool to accomplish

their aim which is hidden,deliberate ,willfull agenda and no way they r ready to

accept any thingexcept their line of arguemnts ,what ever u write will b

sidelined tosuit their discussion .for exmple when i wrote abt the exprnce of

sir woodraw wyath( he gotpredictions frm some raja jyothishi while he was a

young man and allcame true upto every word ) he ( AKK -avatar krishna kaul ) was

quotingsome report came in TV that some lunatic man who claimed as astrologer

(it was proved too later ) predicted some thing and gone wrong ( thinkindia with

60 plus yrs after independence he cud quote one instance with1 billion ppl )

..and they know the errosion in astology and lack of learning classics inold

style and disappearance of gurukulas and even non teaching ofsankrit has

contributed gr8er misunderstanding and various schools alsosprung up claiming

various theoreys ( but they says all astro is fraudas no astrologer answerd them

) And says they stands for vedic culturein hindus .but all this dont justifys

their stand .because they r not working forresurrection of astrology or even

vedas ,did they strt training vedicpundits for future ,NO will ask u did u read

vedas and wat ever u saywill b twisted with some other excuses what they may

find fit for them .Now think how this frauds one who claims science in

everything andanother calender fraud co joined ??wat may b reason ??did they

come withsame plan some hidden agenda ??means they r recruits of same

mission,one says he is happy when calender is redesigned to suit his lunaticmind

( he says according to vedas ) and other says if we can showscintific proof in

dictums he is happy and invited 1 yr old kids andasking all this where as they

claims +35 yrs or 50 yrs in Vedic Astrology .so i asked them to show me in charts

which will b selected and posted byme ,where it fails firstbecause if A=B then B

shud b equal to A too simple mathematicalscintific arguement right ??on this

science grounding i asked them too show it ,but they r not readyto show or nor

interested ( because only agenda is to destroy some howvedic astrology ) ,where

as they humilated every one in the name ofastrology with sugar coated pills ,off

cource uses good laungage toocall u fraud where as i dont spare my time and i

call directly . ( eveni told them still repeating if u dont follow guidelines of

discussions iwill do it again ) because who ever they call fraud or mlecha are

rishisi feel they r my pitrus even .My gotra pitamaha 'smany r invited here and

they guillettined ,one LY rao,he said he usedprashna for short period and said

some RP planet will show the result,any fool will understand the prashna is for

purticular thing ,orquestion and appliacble only to a certain period ,but this

fake ids rcoming in like a pack of wolfs to attack that gentle man and asking

soRP planet will show everytime ,did they show courtesy to see in actualgrounds

,Big no ,so much is their scientifc thinkingeven i asked to this AKK to answer

me .what is the use of ur calendar1 ) show me why we shud use Muhurta as u say

it is in vedic astrology,if it is not predictiv ??( predictiv gimmick )2) why we

shud use festival which u say as vedas r not devine or noteven old as some one

claims and its according to christian geneologyword has happened just 4300 b4 or

so yrs b4 ,so he cannot accpet it3) also i asked him let us discuss vedas and

his understanding4) can it b used for atleast for agriculture ??as farmers

wanted to knowwhen will b rain next time ,as the njattu vela calenders used in

keralashows .so what was is the aim this 2 frauds .then says they blv in karma

theorey as krishna saiddoes we say we dont blv in karma theory but this adage by

them is totalbull shit as karma theory itself saying abt immortality of

soulsandrebirths and its missions and destiny ,if u blv so then wat proof

theywant s to see its efficacy where as they blv one life theory likechristians

,so working for them ,just do any thing to achieve ur mission.eat drink be merry

as there is only one life ,kill any one ,sell u rmom even to acheive ur goal

..other wise let them explain how and why some one is born blind withtheir karma

theory ?? if it is removable by ur own efforts let themteach us .dear grp pls

think may b none of u can become a bill gates oreven warren buffet even if u try

24x7 without even sleeping ,ask them toproov all thisthey r gr8 cheaters and

traiters of hindu ,hindustanidentify them and try to bannish them frm this soil

as they sell theirown mother for few dollarsregrds your vijayaraghavan ,ps

-sanat and AKK if u r ready i am going to stay here till u ban meagain or delet

ur grp and ask forgivance ,now i am determined .[Non-text portions of this

message have been removed]

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October 17, 2008

Oh an episode is over Sanatji!

Though he has gone thro lots of books and writeups he couldnt hold to himself.

I am going thro most of the mails though I dont ve much time to interact.

Thank you for your efforts.

tkp ghopal

On 10/16/08, sanat2221 <sanatkumar_jain wrote:

Dear Raghavan,Namaskar,Yes, I banned you for using filthy language against the members despite my personal warning to you for using decent language while interacting in the forum.Joining the forum is open to all hence it is not your victory, but

you are exploiting the privilege of the forum. Now I will continue to ban your multiple ID, without warning. Let members know how you are expert in exploiting the simplicity of others. It would have been better if you tender your apology for your

filthy language. I will like to suggest you that first of all improve your language only then you may be able to continue in this forum. Bye,Sanat,PSHowever, if you want to interact with me then you can write to me

with your volume of filthy language on my email sanatkumar_jain. I will pass on your msg in the group

after examining it and revert back the answers if any. But henceforth you are not eligible in the group.Other member may write me as to whether filthy and abusive language may be allowed in this forum? Let me know such members.

, " raghavanvijaya49 "

<raghavanvijaya49 wrote:>> > > > dear grp .> > > > I joined this grp because i hav seen since yrs this ppl uses vedic

> astrologers and blvers as a tool to accomplish their aim which is hidden> ,deliberate ,willfull agenda and no way they r ready to accept any thing> except their line of arguemnts ,what ever u write will b sidelined

to> suit their discussion .> > > > for exmple when i wrote abt the exprnce of sir woodraw wyath he was> quoting some report came in TV that some lunatic man who claimed as> astrologer ( it was proved too later ) predicted some thing ( think

> india with 60 plus yrs after independence he cud quote one instance with> 1 billion ppl ) .> > > > and they know the errosion in astology and lack of learning classics in

> old style and disappearance of gurukulas and even non teaching of> sankrit has contributed gr8er misunderstanding and various schools also> sprung up claiming various theoreys> > >

> but all this dont justifys their stand .because they r not working for> resurrection of astrology or even vedas ,did they strt training vedic> pundits for future ,NO will ask u did u read vedas and wat ever u

say> will b twisted with some other excuses what they may find fit for them .> > > > Now think how this frauds one who claims science in everything and> another calender fraud co joined ??wat may b reason ??did they come

with> same plan some hidden agenda ??means they r recruits of same mission> ,one says he is happy when calender is redesigned to suit his lunatic> mind ( he says according to vedas ) and other says if we can show

> scintific proof in dictums he is happy and invited 1 yr old kids and> asking all this where as they claims +35 yrs or 50 yrs in vedic> astrology .> > > > so i asked them to show me in charts which will b selected and

posted by> me ,where it fails first> > because if A=B then B shud b equal to A too simple mathematical> scintific arguement right ??> > > > on this science grounding i asked them too show it ,but they r not

ready> to show or nor interested ( because only agenda is to destroy some how> vedic astrology ) ,where as they humilated every one in the name of> astrology with sugar coated pills ,off cource uses good laungage too

> call u fraud where as i dont spare my time and i call directly . ( even> i told them still repeating if u dont follow guidelines of discussions i> will do it again ) because who ever they call fraud or mlecha are

rishis> i feel they r my pitrus even .My gotra pitamaha 's> > > > many r invited here and they guillettined ,one LY rao,he said he used> prashna for short period and said some RP planet will show the

result> ,any fool will understand the prashna is for purticular thing ,or> question and appliacble only to a certain period ,but this fake ids r> coming in like a pack of wolfs to attack that gentle man and asking

so> RP planet will show everytime ,did they show courtesy to see in actual> grounds ,Big no ,so much is their scientifc thinking> > > > even i asked to this AKK to answer me .

> > > > what is the use of ur calendar> > 1 ) show me why we shud use Muhurta as u say it is in vedic astrology> ,if it is not predictiv ??( predictiv gimmick )>

> 2) why we shud use festival which u say as vedas r not devine or not> even old as some one claims and its according to christian geneology> word has happened just 4300 b4 or so yrs b4 ,so he cannot accpet it

> > 3) also i asked him let us discuss vedas and his understanding> > 4) can it b used for atleast for agriculture ??as farmers wanted to know> when will b rain next time ,as the njattu vela calenders used in

kerala> shows .> > > > so what was is the aim this 2 frauds .> > > > then says they blv in karma theorey as krishna said> > does we say we dont blv in karma theory but this adage by them is

total> bull shit as karma theory itself saying abt immortality of soulsand> rebirths and its missions and destiny ,if u blv so then wat proof they> want s to see its efficacy where as they blv one life theory like

> christians ,so working for them ,just do any thing to achieve ur mission> .eat drink be merry as there is only one life ,kill any one ,sell u r> mom even to acheive ur goal .> >

> > other wise let them explain how and why some one is born blind with> their karma theory ?? if it is removable by ur own efforts let them> teach us .dear grp pls think may b none of u can become a bill

gates or> even warren buffet even if u try 24x7 without even sleeping ,ask them to> proov all this> > > > they r gr8 cheaters and traiters of hindu ,hindustan> > identify them and try to bannish them frm this soil as they sell

their> own mother for few dollars> > > > regrds your vijayaraghavan ,> > > > ps -sanat and AKK if u r ready i am going to stay here till u ban me> again or delet ur grp and ask forgivance ,now i am determined .

>

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