Guest guest Posted September 17, 2008 Report Share Posted September 17, 2008 Dear Members, naadidoshashch vipranam, varnadoshastu bhoobhujaam gandoshashch vaishyesu, yonidoshashch paadjaam eknakshatrajaataanam naadidosh vidyate, anyarkshpativedheshu vivahe varjitah sadaa. This is an old classic dictum followed by tradional pundits while matching horoscopes. Naadi dosh is crucial in the case of Brahmins, Varna dosh is crucial in the case of Kshatriya, gan dosh is crucial in the case of vaishya and yoni dosh is crucial in the case of shoodras. This means that if the bride and the groom are brahmins and have a naadi dosh then that marriage is 'varjit'. However they can marry after doing the parihars.Similarly if the kshatriya couple have varna dosh then the marriage is 'varjit' and so on. The fact that four matching area: naadi, varna, gan and yoni have been associated with four different castes shows that these factors are not universally applicable and instead are caste specific. Had any one of them been an Ayurveda concept [ physiological] then it should have been applicable across the board to all castes. Regards, Girish Raheja Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2008 Report Share Posted September 17, 2008 Dear Shri Girish Ji, Most appropriate reference on the basis of classical views.while in application process in today's society not really on the basis of varnasram dharma.we need also to broaden classicals and apply as relevant as on today. Infact Kuta in a way signifies " sum " " total " and the components of this total are for identifaication and classification of human kind.This classifications covers whole lot of sheres of huamn activities.we need to facilitate all these aspects and apply to build up an Institution of marraige even in changed environment.The progression can be made by applying all these aspects broadly. naadi as what exists in every one is factually but in the processing of application we infer as doshas on certain confirmed parameters.our effort is to bring a harmonic and peaceful co existence and build up society,ofcourse through astrological principles/guidelines vrkrishnan --- On Wed, 9/17/08, girish_raheja <girish_raheja wrote: girish_raheja <girish_raheja naadi dosh Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 1:13 AM Dear Members, naadidoshashch vipranam, varnadoshastu bhoobhujaam gandoshashch vaishyesu, yonidoshashch paadjaam eknakshatrajaataana m naadidosh vidyate, anyarkshpativedhesh u vivahe varjitah sadaa. This is an old classic dictum followed by tradional pundits while matching horoscopes. Naadi dosh is crucial in the case of Brahmins, Varna dosh is crucial in the case of Kshatriya, gan dosh is crucial in the case of vaishya and yoni dosh is crucial in the case of shoodras. This means that if the bride and the groom are brahmins and have a naadi dosh then that marriage is 'varjit'. However they can marry after doing the parihars.Similarly if the kshatriya couple have varna dosh then the marriage is 'varjit' and so on. The fact that four matching area: naadi, varna, gan and yoni have been associated with four different castes shows that these factors are not universally applicable and instead are caste specific. Had any one of them been an Ayurveda concept [ physiological] then it should have been applicable across the board to all castes. Regards, Girish Raheja Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2008 Report Share Posted September 17, 2008 Respected Krishnan ji, I am not an astrologer, professional or otherwise. I am just interested in astrology. I agree that Naadi matching is not every thing for compatibility in marriage. I was just placing before the group the views expressed in the classics. With wide spread education, horizons of knowledge and awareness widened, most of these old concepts have either lost their meaning or as you have said need being redifined. I am all for redefining these rules and make them applicable to the present times and changed conditions. By no stretch of imagination I am an old foggy. I ain't no square. With great regards, Girish Raheja , vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > Dear Shri Girish Ji, > Most appropriate reference on the basis of classical views.while in application process in today's society not really on the basis of varnasram dharma.we need also to broaden classicals and apply as relevant as on today. > Infact Kuta in a way signifies " sum " " total " and the components of this total are?for identifaication and classification of human kind.This classifications covers whole lot of sheres of huamn activities.we need to facilitate all these aspects and?apply to build up an Institution of marraige even in changed environment.The progression can be made by applying all these aspects broadly. > naadi as what exists in every one is factually but in the processing of application we infer as doshas on certain confirmed parameters.our effort is to bring a harmonic and peaceful co existence and build up society,ofcourse through astrological principles/guidelines > ? > vrkrishnan > > --- On Wed, 9/17/08, girish_raheja <girish_raheja wrote: > > girish_raheja <girish_raheja > naadi dosh > > Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 1:13 AM Dear Members, > > naadidoshashch vipranam, varnadoshastu bhoobhujaam > gandoshashch vaishyesu, yonidoshashch paadjaam > eknakshatrajaataana m naadidosh vidyate, > anyarkshpativedhesh u vivahe varjitah sadaa. > > This is an old classic dictum followed by tradional pundits while > matching horoscopes. > > Naadi dosh is crucial in the case of Brahmins, Varna dosh is crucial > in the case of Kshatriya, gan dosh is crucial in the case of vaishya > and yoni dosh is crucial in the case of shoodras. > > This means that if the bride and the groom are brahmins and have a > naadi dosh then that marriage is 'varjit'. However they can marry > after doing the parihars.Similarly if the kshatriya couple have > varna dosh then the marriage is 'varjit' and so on. > > The fact that four matching area: naadi, varna, gan and yoni have > been associated with four different castes shows that these factors > are not universally applicable and instead are caste specific. Had > any one of them been an Ayurveda concept [ physiological] then it > should have been applicable across the board to all castes. > > Regards, > > Girish Raheja > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2008 Report Share Posted September 17, 2008 Dear Shri Girish Ji, You hav put very lucidly the role of Astrology and what it was really as per classicals and also the need to expand as per present day requirements.In the group we get lot of queries with reference to what had been informed /conveyed by other Astrologers.Some of these views appears to have been considered in a limited scope.I for one who feels lot of scope for freewill in Astrology.I may not be really correct and might also be not in tune with others in this regard.yet I feel trial that matters without loosing heart.In this direction If Astrology can guide it is of immense help to th society where growing concern for insecurity can orioerly addressd. Thanks for your clarification.Hope Iam not misunderstood.Let me also add that in no way I can become a professional Astrologer nor I have built such kind of ambition in life.ofcourse I ws involved with the subject sincerely from the time Astrology was considered for courses in university education regards vrkrishnan --- On Wed, 9/17/08, girish_raheja <girish_raheja wrote: girish_raheja <girish_raheja Re: naadi dosh Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 3:03 AM Respected Krishnan ji, I am not an astrologer, professional or otherwise. I am just interested in astrology. I agree that Naadi matching is not every thing for compatibility in marriage. I was just placing before the group the views expressed in the classics. With wide spread education, horizons of knowledge and awareness widened, most of these old concepts have either lost their meaning or as you have said need being redifined. I am all for redefining these rules and make them applicable to the present times and changed conditions. By no stretch of imagination I am an old foggy. I ain't no square. With great regards, Girish Raheja , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@. ..> wrote: > > Dear Shri Girish Ji, > Most appropriate reference on the basis of classical views.while in application process in today's society not really on the basis of varnasram dharma.we need also to broaden classicals and apply as relevant as on today. > Infact Kuta in a way signifies " sum " " total " and the components of this total are?for identifaication and classification of human kind.This classifications covers whole lot of sheres of huamn activities.we need to facilitate all these aspects and?apply to build up an Institution of marraige even in changed environment. The progression can be made by applying all these aspects broadly. > naadi as what exists in every one is factually but in the processing of application we infer as doshas on certain confirmed parameters.our effort is to bring a harmonic and peaceful co existence and build up society,ofcourse through astrological principles/guidelin es > ? > vrkrishnan > > --- On Wed, 9/17/08, girish_raheja <girish_raheja@ ...> wrote: > > girish_raheja <girish_raheja@ ...> > naadi dosh > > Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 1:13 AM Dear Members, > > naadidoshashch vipranam, varnadoshastu bhoobhujaam > gandoshashch vaishyesu, yonidoshashch paadjaam > eknakshatrajaataana m naadidosh vidyate, > anyarkshpativedhesh u vivahe varjitah sadaa. > > This is an old classic dictum followed by tradional pundits while > matching horoscopes. > > Naadi dosh is crucial in the case of Brahmins, Varna dosh is crucial > in the case of Kshatriya, gan dosh is crucial in the case of vaishya > and yoni dosh is crucial in the case of shoodras. > > This means that if the bride and the groom are brahmins and have a > naadi dosh then that marriage is 'varjit'. However they can marry > after doing the parihars.Similarly if the kshatriya couple have > varna dosh then the marriage is 'varjit' and so on. > > The fact that four matching area: naadi, varna, gan and yoni have > been associated with four different castes shows that these factors > are not universally applicable and instead are caste specific. Had > any one of them been an Ayurveda concept [ physiological] then it > should have been applicable across the board to all castes. > > Regards, > > Girish Raheja > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2008 Report Share Posted September 17, 2008 Sirs, Sri Vettem Krishnan is a very knowledgeable person in Astrology. Lot of interesting, as well as educative, inputs are from him in this Forum. Modern concepts in any field is grown out of old theories and old data and analysis are still valid. Of course, they are tested doctrines, while 'improvements' brought by many learned Pundits in the field in modern times are still in the process of testing and analysis. A.V.Pathi, Astrologer 103, Black Tie Lane, Chapel Hill, North Carolina, 27514, USA vattem krishnan <bursar_99 Wednesday, September 17, 2008 8:05:18 AM Re: naadi dosh Dear Shri Girish Ji, You hav put very lucidly the role of Astrology and what it was really as per classicals and also the need to expand as per present day requirements. In the group we get lot of queries with reference to what had been informed /conveyed by other Astrologers. Some of these views appears to have been considered in a limited scope.I for one who feels lot of scope for freewill in Astrology.I may not be really correct and might also be not in tune with others in this regard.yet I feel trial that matters without loosing heart.In this direction If Astrology can guide it is of immense help to th society where growing concern for insecurity can orioerly addressd. Thanks for your clarification. Hope Iam not misunderstood. Let me also add that in no way I can become a professional Astrologer nor I have built such kind of ambition in life.ofcourse I ws involved with the subject sincerely from the time Astrology was considered for courses in university education regards vrkrishnan --- On Wed, 9/17/08, girish_raheja <girish_raheja@ .co. in> wrote: girish_raheja <girish_raheja@ .co. in> Re: naadi dosh Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 3:03 AM Respected Krishnan ji, I am not an astrologer, professional or otherwise. I am just interested in astrology. I agree that Naadi matching is not every thing for compatibility in marriage. I was just placing before the group the views expressed in the classics. With wide spread education, horizons of knowledge and awareness widened, most of these old concepts have either lost their meaning or as you have said need being redifined. I am all for redefining these rules and make them applicable to the present times and changed conditions. By no stretch of imagination I am an old foggy. I ain't no square. With great regards, Girish Raheja , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@. ..> wrote: > > Dear Shri Girish Ji, > Most appropriate reference on the basis of classical views.while in application process in today's society not really on the basis of varnasram dharma.we need also to broaden classicals and apply as relevant as on today. > Infact Kuta in a way signifies " sum " " total " and the components of this total are?for identifaication and classification of human kind.This classifications covers whole lot of sheres of huamn activities.we need to facilitate all these aspects and?apply to build up an Institution of marraige even in changed environment. The progression can be made by applying all these aspects broadly. > naadi as what exists in every one is factually but in the processing of application we infer as doshas on certain confirmed parameters.our effort is to bring a harmonic and peaceful co existence and build up society,ofcourse through astrological principles/guidelin es > ? > vrkrishnan > > --- On Wed, 9/17/08, girish_raheja <girish_raheja@ ...> wrote: > > girish_raheja <girish_raheja@ ...> > naadi dosh > > Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 1:13 AM Dear Members, > > naadidoshashch vipranam, varnadoshastu bhoobhujaam > gandoshashch vaishyesu, yonidoshashch paadjaam > eknakshatrajaataana m naadidosh vidyate, > anyarkshpativedhesh u vivahe varjitah sadaa. > > This is an old classic dictum followed by tradional pundits while > matching horoscopes. > > Naadi dosh is crucial in the case of Brahmins, Varna dosh is crucial > in the case of Kshatriya, gan dosh is crucial in the case of vaishya > and yoni dosh is crucial in the case of shoodras. > > This means that if the bride and the groom are brahmins and have a > naadi dosh then that marriage is 'varjit'. However they can marry > after doing the parihars.Similarly if the kshatriya couple have > varna dosh then the marriage is 'varjit' and so on. > > The fact that four matching area: naadi, varna, gan and yoni have > been associated with four different castes shows that these factors > are not universally applicable and instead are caste specific. Had > any one of them been an Ayurveda concept [ physiological] then it > should have been applicable across the board to all castes. > > Regards, > > Girish Raheja > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2008 Report Share Posted September 17, 2008 Hare rama krishna dear pathi ji , i am answering u but it is not for u . the problem here is too much depending on sankrit shlokas ,any one with some bent of sanskrit can make a shloka and then future generation can suffer on it by dog fights which happened here ,the problem is lack of real scientific bent of mind .even if based on varna do u think is they r aliens and with no life science appliable but the secret is they shud wait or i cant disclose . but a person well devlped in basics cn know what is it and what to adopt .. even the shola quoted is very against the essence of religion which is very basis of astrology .even very much agaisnt of astrology ,but fools prefer to be fools and some fools want me to quote my studies ,if they dont understand basic ,who am i to illuminate this fools who in the pretext of harassing wanted to know technics . as religion dont support some one can born as a caste as there is not caste in vedas . if some one coming for street dog fight with me refer geetha .All street dogs can refer geetha on it .search wat is varna then wat is caste . all street dogs who fvr their pet theories shud think tht astrology then become a limited subjuct to only india( that also caste india ) and no use in other countries or even in india generaly where we hav even adivasi states . also think then u can classify almost all rishi munis also as some sheduled castes . still i proove right without proving myself sorry for i hav to b blunt regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah . ps --there is some ppl who wnted to learn by shouting or squessing or guerilla methods ,that is why i holding back real essence as it is very much against this astrology and guru paramapara till then show real color of breeding . , venkatachala pathi <pathiav wrote: > > Sirs, > Sri Vettem Krishnan is a very knowledgeable person in Astrology. Lot of interesting, as well as educative, inputs are from him in this Forum. > Modern concepts in any field is grown out of old theories and old data and analysis are still valid. Of course, they are tested doctrines, while 'improvements' brought by many learned Pundits in the field in modern times are still in the process of testing and analysis. > > A.V.Pathi, > Astrologer > 103, Black Tie Lane, Chapel Hill, > North Carolina, 27514, USA > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2008 Report Share Posted September 17, 2008 dear grp why stopped ,did u prove sunil nair is wrong ?? continue abuse prove it ,i challenged it . regrds sunil nair , " sunil nair " <astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > > > Hare rama krishna > > dear pathi ji , > > > > i am answering u but it is not for u . > > the problem here is too much depending on sankrit shlokas ,any one with > some bent of sanskrit can make a shloka and then future generation can > suffer on it by dog fights which happened here ,the problem is lack of > real scientific bent of mind .even if based on varna do u think is they > r aliens and with no life science appliable but the secret is they shud > wait or i cant disclose . > > > > but a person well devlped in basics cn know what is it and what to adopt > . > > even the shola quoted is very against the essence of religion which is > very basis of astrology .even very much agaisnt of astrology ,but fools > prefer to be fools and some fools want me to quote my studies ,if they > dont understand basic ,who am i to illuminate this fools who in the > pretext of harassing wanted to know technics . > > > > as religion dont support some one can born as a caste as there is not > caste in vedas . > > > > if some one coming for street dog fight with me refer geetha .All street > dogs can refer geetha on it .search wat is varna then wat is caste . > > > > all street dogs who fvr their pet theories shud think tht astrology then > become a limited subjuct to only india( that also caste india ) and no > use in other countries or even in india generaly where we hav even > adivasi states . > > also think then u can classify almost all rishi munis also as some > sheduled castes . > > still i proove right without proving myself > > > > sorry for i hav to b blunt > > > > regrds sunil nair > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah . > > ps --there is some ppl who wnted to learn by shouting or squessing or > guerilla methods ,that is why i holding back real essence as it is very > much against this astrology and guru paramapara > > till then show real color of breeding . > > > > > , venkatachala pathi > pathiav@ wrote: > > > > Sirs, > > Sri Vettem Krishnan is a very knowledgeable person in Astrology. Lot > of interesting, as well as educative, inputs are from him in this Forum. > > Modern concepts in any field is grown out of old theories and old data > and analysis are still valid. Of course, they are tested doctrines, > while 'improvements' brought by many learned Pundits in the field in > modern times are still in the process of testing and analysis. > > > > A.V.Pathi, > > Astrologer > > 103, Black Tie Lane, Chapel Hill, > > North Carolina, 27514, USA > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2008 Report Share Posted September 17, 2008 Dear Sunil Nair ji, It is long time since I received a note from you. There is no doubt that you are the most recognized astrologer in the field for a long time. Your contributions to educate the members in forums is most valuable, relevant to this day and life. I have been studying on Naadi Dosh for some days now, the views from various members. Some of them are sheer non sense, to say the least, without any strong fundamental rules to even explain. Well ! We live among them too ! By correcting them with proof will not make them realize that they were wrong. We cannot pick and through all the stones away on the highway, before we drive our car. Stones will be there; and, we should drive the car ! We have no time to correct them. However, you cannot be silent when you know that grave injustice is done by giving wrong interpretations to basic rules. Please continue your inputs. At least, many like me, learn more which are in 'shelfs', from you, sir. Blessings and regards, A.V.Pathi, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala Wednesday, September 17, 2008 12:33:25 PM Re: naadi dosh Hare rama krishna dear pathi ji , i am answering u but it is not for u . the problem here is too much depending on sankrit shlokas ,any one with some bent of sanskrit can make a shloka and then future generation can suffer on it by dog fights which happened here ,the problem is lack of real scientific bent of mind .even if based on varna do u think is they r aliens and with no life science appliable but the secret is they shud wait or i cant disclose . but a person well devlped in basics cn know what is it and what to adopt .. even the shola quoted is very against the essence of religion which is very basis of astrology .even very much agaisnt of astrology ,but fools prefer to be fools and some fools want me to quote my studies ,if they dont understand basic ,who am i to illuminate this fools who in the pretext of harassing wanted to know technics . as religion dont support some one can born as a caste as there is not caste in vedas . if some one coming for street dog fight with me refer geetha .All street dogs can refer geetha on it .search wat is varna then wat is caste . all street dogs who fvr their pet theories shud think tht astrology then become a limited subjuct to only india( that also caste india ) and no use in other countries or even in india generaly where we hav even adivasi states . also think then u can classify almost all rishi munis also as some sheduled castes . still i proove right without proving myself sorry for i hav to b blunt regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah . ps --there is some ppl who wnted to learn by shouting or squessing or guerilla methods ,that is why i holding back real essence as it is very much against this astrology and guru paramapara till then show real color of breeding . , venkatachala pathi <pathiav > wrote: > > Sirs, > Sri Vettem Krishnan is a very knowledgeable person in Astrology. Lot of interesting, as well as educative, inputs are from him in this Forum. > Modern concepts in any field is grown out of old theories and old data and analysis are still valid. Of course, they are tested doctrines, while 'improvements' brought by many learned Pundits in the field in modern times are still in the process of testing and analysis. > > A.V.Pathi, > Astrologer > 103, Black Tie Lane, Chapel Hill, > North Carolina, 27514, USA > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2008 Report Share Posted September 17, 2008 hare rama krishna dear respected pathi ji since u r most eldest and exprnced astrologer among us and that also who realy gone tru real practical appliacation in life of almost all astro principles and has been official of many world famous astro organisation in UK and US ,so u know with open mind what i am saying and i value 100 times ur views as u hav given ur expertise of hindu astrology to world at large tru ur lectures and even presentations ,even some one told me u hav done many seminars in even arab countries . so i value ur opinions and i feel i am blessd . also i got many mails in prvt to stop talking to this ppl too ,but i know u use less harmful language when u present a view of u .i realy appreciate it . thank u sir ,thank u regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah , venkatachala pathi <pathiav wrote: > > Dear Sunil Nair ji, > > It is long time since I received a note from you. There is no doubt that you are the most recognized astrologer in the field for a long time. Your contributions to educate the members in forums is most valuable, relevant to this day and life. > > I have been studying on Naadi Dosh for some days now, the views from various members. Some of them are sheer non sense, to say the least, without any strong fundamental rules to even explain. Well ! We live among them too ! By correcting them with proof will not make them realize that they were wrong. We cannot pick and through all the stones away on the highway, before we drive our car. Stones will be there; and, we should drive the car ! We have no time to correct them. > > However, you cannot be silent when you know that grave injustice is done by giving wrong interpretations to basic rules. Please continue your inputs. At least, many like me, learn more which are in 'shelfs', from you, sir. > > Blessings and regards, > > A.V.Pathi, > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala > > Wednesday, September 17, 2008 12:33:25 PM > Re: naadi dosh > > > > > Hare rama krishna > > dear pathi ji , > > i am answering u but it is not for u . > > the problem here is too much depending on sankrit shlokas ,any one with > some bent of sanskrit can make a shloka and then future generation can > suffer on it by dog fights which happened here ,the problem is lack of > real scientific bent of mind .even if based on varna do u think is they > r aliens and with no life science appliable but the secret is they shud > wait or i cant disclose . > > but a person well devlped in basics cn know what is it and what to adopt > . > > even the shola quoted is very against the essence of religion which is > very basis of astrology .even very much agaisnt of astrology ,but fools > prefer to be fools and some fools want me to quote my studies ,if they > dont understand basic ,who am i to illuminate this fools who in the > pretext of harassing wanted to know technics . > > as religion dont support some one can born as a caste as there is not > caste in vedas . > > if some one coming for street dog fight with me refer geetha .All street > dogs can refer geetha on it .search wat is varna then wat is caste . > > all street dogs who fvr their pet theories shud think tht astrology then > become a limited subjuct to only india( that also caste india ) and no > use in other countries or even in india generaly where we hav even > adivasi states . > > also think then u can classify almost all rishi munis also as some > sheduled castes . > > still i proove right without proving myself > > sorry for i hav to b blunt > > regrds sunil nair > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah . > > ps --there is some ppl who wnted to learn by shouting or squessing or > guerilla methods ,that is why i holding back real essence as it is very > much against this astrology and guru paramapara > > till then show real color of breeding . > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2008 Report Share Posted September 17, 2008 Dear Mr. Prashant ji, I trust you would agree that these principle is also applicable to all those who plagarize others without their own home work. We recently heard someone getting two increments plus two promotions within 2-months, is it possible in any company, if true, such person(s) should provide proof of the same. Again, gone are the days when one could say it was a real windfall- {chappar phadke deyta hai - goes the hindi phrase}.... some one walking to you and giving you Rs.50,000 out of blue can only be case of someone being chased by Police, wanting to hide the money or mislead the Police { illegal money}... ... valid particularly when 8H is not involved in the dasha ...etc.. I strongly support that every member who posts his messages in this group should go through a grilling process to answer all queries..... only the successful ones to be applauded, rest akin to fakes should be restricted..... With regards, Sreeram_Srinivas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2008 Report Share Posted September 17, 2008 Dear Members, Can we condemn our classics simply because they talk of Varna which may not be palatable today because of our political compulsions. Classics have classified even the zodiac signs according to Varna Aires > Kshatriya Taurus > Vaishya Gemini > Shoodra Cancer > Vipra The sequence follows in the same order. At least I can not dump the classics. I would rather redefine the Varna as respected Prashant Kumar ji has done in his earlier message then deny the existence of Varna altogether. Regards, Girish Raheja , " sunil nair " <astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > > > Hare rama krishna > > dear pathi ji , > > > > i am answering u but it is not for u . > > the problem here is too much depending on sankrit shlokas ,any one with > some bent of sanskrit can make a shloka and then future generation can > suffer on it by dog fights which happened here ,the problem is lack of > real scientific bent of mind .even if based on varna do u think is they > r aliens and with no life science appliable but the secret is they shud > wait or i cant disclose . > > > > but a person well devlped in basics cn know what is it and what to adopt > . > > even the shola quoted is very against the essence of religion which is > very basis of astrology .even very much agaisnt of astrology ,but fools > prefer to be fools and some fools want me to quote my studies ,if they > dont understand basic ,who am i to illuminate this fools who in the > pretext of harassing wanted to know technics . > > > > as religion dont support some one can born as a caste as there is not > caste in vedas . > > > > if some one coming for street dog fight with me refer geetha .All street > dogs can refer geetha on it .search wat is varna then wat is caste . > > > > all street dogs who fvr their pet theories shud think tht astrology then > become a limited subjuct to only india( that also caste india ) and no > use in other countries or even in india generaly where we hav even > adivasi states . > > also think then u can classify almost all rishi munis also as some > sheduled castes . > > still i proove right without proving myself > > > > sorry for i hav to b blunt > > > > regrds sunil nair > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah . > > ps --there is some ppl who wnted to learn by shouting or squessing or > guerilla methods ,that is why i holding back real essence as it is very > much against this astrology and guru paramapara > > till then show real color of breeding . > > > > > , venkatachala pathi > <pathiav@> wrote: > > > > Sirs, > > Sri Vettem Krishnan is a very knowledgeable person in Astrology. Lot > of interesting, as well as educative, inputs are from him in this Forum. > > Modern concepts in any field is grown out of old theories and old data > and analysis are still valid. Of course, they are tested doctrines, > while 'improvements' brought by many learned Pundits in the field in > modern times are still in the process of testing and analysis. > > > > A.V.Pathi, > > Astrologer > > 103, Black Tie Lane, Chapel Hill, > > North Carolina, 27514, USA > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2008 Report Share Posted September 17, 2008 girish raheja learn more ,read more ,astrologer shud know more sastras and puranas . varna is not cast ,it is based on guna and karma mean no one born with it ,so it is wat prashnath ji or any one said ,it is appliable in 4 ages ..or any ages to come . regrds sunil nair , " girish_raheja " <girish_raheja wrote: > > Dear Members, > > Can we condemn our classics simply because they talk of Varna which > may not be palatable today because of our political compulsions. > > Classics have classified even the zodiac signs according to Varna > > Aires > Kshatriya > Taurus > Vaishya > Gemini > Shoodra > Cancer > Vipra > > The sequence follows in the same order. > > At least I can not dump the classics. I would rather redefine the > Varna as respected Prashant Kumar ji has done in his earlier message > then deny the existence of Varna altogether. > > Regards, > > Girish Raheja > > > > > > > > , " sunil nair " > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna > > > > dear pathi ji , > > > > > > > > i am answering u but it is not for u . > > > > the problem here is too much depending on sankrit shlokas ,any one > with > > some bent of sanskrit can make a shloka and then future generation > can > > suffer on it by dog fights which happened here ,the problem is > lack of > > real scientific bent of mind .even if based on varna do u think is > they > > r aliens and with no life science appliable but the secret is they > shud > > wait or i cant disclose . > > > > > > > > but a person well devlped in basics cn know what is it and what to > adopt > > . > > > > even the shola quoted is very against the essence of religion > which is > > very basis of astrology .even very much agaisnt of astrology ,but > fools > > prefer to be fools and some fools want me to quote my studies ,if > they > > dont understand basic ,who am i to illuminate this fools who in the > > pretext of harassing wanted to know technics . > > > > > > > > as religion dont support some one can born as a caste as there is > not > > caste in vedas . > > > > > > > > if some one coming for street dog fight with me refer geetha .All > street > > dogs can refer geetha on it .search wat is varna then wat is > caste . > > > > > > > > all street dogs who fvr their pet theories shud think tht > astrology then > > become a limited subjuct to only india( that also caste india ) > and no > > use in other countries or even in india generaly where we hav even > > adivasi states . > > > > also think then u can classify almost all rishi munis also as some > > sheduled castes . > > > > still i proove right without proving myself > > > > > > > > sorry for i hav to b blunt > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah . > > > > ps --there is some ppl who wnted to learn by shouting or > squessing or > > guerilla methods ,that is why i holding back real essence as it is > very > > much against this astrology and guru paramapara > > > > till then show real color of breeding . > > > > > > > > > > , venkatachala pathi > > <pathiav@> wrote: > > > > > > Sirs, > > > Sri Vettem Krishnan is a very knowledgeable person in > Astrology. Lot > > of interesting, as well as educative, inputs are from him in this > Forum. > > > Modern concepts in any field is grown out of old theories and > old data > > and analysis are still valid. Of course, they are tested doctrines, > > while 'improvements' brought by many learned Pundits in the field > in > > modern times are still in the process of testing and analysis. > > > > > > A.V.Pathi, > > > Astrologer > > > 103, Black Tie Lane, Chapel Hill, > > > North Carolina, 27514, USA > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2008 Report Share Posted September 17, 2008 And it is not political compulsion which u all wanted to hide behind it,it is religious doctrine which is explained in geetha essense of vedas and upanishads and very basis of advaitha . , " sunil nair " <astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > > > girish raheja > > learn more ,read more ,astrologer shud know more sastras and puranas . > > > > varna is not cast ,it is based on guna and karma mean no one born with > it ,so it is wat prashnath ji or any one said ,it is appliable in 4 ages > .or any ages to come . > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > , " girish_raheja " > girish_raheja@ wrote: > > > > Dear Members, > > > > Can we condemn our classics simply because they talk of Varna which > > may not be palatable today because of our political compulsions. > > > > Classics have classified even the zodiac signs according to Varna > > > > Aires > Kshatriya > > Taurus > Vaishya > > Gemini > Shoodra > > Cancer > Vipra > > > > The sequence follows in the same order. > > > > At least I can not dump the classics. I would rather redefine the > > Varna as respected Prashant Kumar ji has done in his earlier message > > then deny the existence of Varna altogether. > > > > Regards, > > > > Girish Raheja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " sunil nair " > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna > > > > > > dear pathi ji , > > > > > > > > > > > > i am answering u but it is not for u . > > > > > > the problem here is too much depending on sankrit shlokas ,any one > > with > > > some bent of sanskrit can make a shloka and then future generation > > can > > > suffer on it by dog fights which happened here ,the problem is > > lack of > > > real scientific bent of mind .even if based on varna do u think is > > they > > > r aliens and with no life science appliable but the secret is they > > shud > > > wait or i cant disclose . > > > > > > > > > > > > but a person well devlped in basics cn know what is it and what to > > adopt > > > . > > > > > > even the shola quoted is very against the essence of religion > > which is > > > very basis of astrology .even very much agaisnt of astrology ,but > > fools > > > prefer to be fools and some fools want me to quote my studies ,if > > they > > > dont understand basic ,who am i to illuminate this fools who in the > > > pretext of harassing wanted to know technics . > > > > > > > > > > > > as religion dont support some one can born as a caste as there is > > not > > > caste in vedas . > > > > > > > > > > > > if some one coming for street dog fight with me refer geetha .All > > street > > > dogs can refer geetha on it .search wat is varna then wat is > > caste . > > > > > > > > > > > > all street dogs who fvr their pet theories shud think tht > > astrology then > > > become a limited subjuct to only india( that also caste india ) > > and no > > > use in other countries or even in india generaly where we hav even > > > adivasi states . > > > > > > also think then u can classify almost all rishi munis also as some > > > sheduled castes . > > > > > > still i proove right without proving myself > > > > > > > > > > > > sorry for i hav to b blunt > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah . > > > > > > ps --there is some ppl who wnted to learn by shouting or > > squessing or > > > guerilla methods ,that is why i holding back real essence as it is > > very > > > much against this astrology and guru paramapara > > > > > > till then show real color of breeding . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , venkatachala pathi > > > <pathiav@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Sirs, > > > > Sri Vettem Krishnan is a very knowledgeable person in > > Astrology. Lot > > > of interesting, as well as educative, inputs are from him in this > > Forum. > > > > Modern concepts in any field is grown out of old theories and > > old data > > > and analysis are still valid. Of course, they are tested doctrines, > > > while 'improvements' brought by many learned Pundits in the field > > in > > > modern times are still in the process of testing and analysis. > > > > > > > > A.V.Pathi, > > > > Astrologer > > > > 103, Black Tie Lane, Chapel Hill, > > > > North Carolina, 27514, USA > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2008 Report Share Posted September 17, 2008 Dear Girish, a good rejoinder yes wee have to adapt to our times I tried a simple model just at that instinctive moment and as said we had varnaashram based more on karma-livelihood so we can take the cue from there r v not predicitng diff professions for diff people out of their caste path most brahmins become baniyas, attenders, salesmen the most dominant caste now is commerece a v wide basket like what kshatrayas used to be in the past in all civilisations [s o again not limiting to hindu view-histry is full of feudal structures by diff names] I hope RRji, krishna ji, Balaalso say something on my extension of karam to varnashram after all it is livelihood based rest r temp walls prashant girish_raheja <girish_raheja Thursday, September 18, 2008 12:16:06 AM Re: naadi dosh Dear Members, Can we condemn our classics simply because they talk of Varna which may not be palatable today because of our political compulsions. Classics have classified even the zodiac signs according to Varna Aires > Kshatriya Taurus > Vaishya Gemini > Shoodra Cancer > Vipra The sequence follows in the same order. At least I can not dump the classics. I would rather redefine the Varna as respected Prashant Kumar ji has done in his earlier message then deny the existence of Varna altogether. Regards, Girish Raheja , " sunil nair " <astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > > > Hare rama krishna > > dear pathi ji , > > > > i am answering u but it is not for u . > > the problem here is too much depending on sankrit shlokas ,any one with > some bent of sanskrit can make a shloka and then future generation can > suffer on it by dog fights which happened here ,the problem is lack of > real scientific bent of mind .even if based on varna do u think is they > r aliens and with no life science appliable but the secret is they shud > wait or i cant disclose . > > > > but a person well devlped in basics cn know what is it and what to adopt > . > > even the shola quoted is very against the essence of religion which is > very basis of astrology .even very much agaisnt of astrology ,but fools > prefer to be fools and some fools want me to quote my studies ,if they > dont understand basic ,who am i to illuminate this fools who in the > pretext of harassing wanted to know technics . > > > > as religion dont support some one can born as a caste as there is not > caste in vedas . > > > > if some one coming for street dog fight with me refer geetha .All street > dogs can refer geetha on it .search wat is varna then wat is caste . > > > > all street dogs who fvr their pet theories shud think tht astrology then > become a limited subjuct to only india( that also caste india ) and no > use in other countries or even in india generaly where we hav even > adivasi states . > > also think then u can classify almost all rishi munis also as some > sheduled castes . > > still i proove right without proving myself > > > > sorry for i hav to b blunt > > > > regrds sunil nair > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah . > > ps --there is some ppl who wnted to learn by shouting or squessing or > guerilla methods ,that is why i holding back real essence as it is very > much against this astrology and guru paramapara > > till then show real color of breeding . > > > > > , venkatachala pathi > <pathiav@> wrote: > > > > Sirs, > > Sri Vettem Krishnan is a very knowledgeable person in Astrology. Lot > of interesting, as well as educative, inputs are from him in this Forum. > > Modern concepts in any field is grown out of old theories and old data > and analysis are still valid. Of course, they are tested doctrines, > while 'improvements' brought by many learned Pundits in the field in > modern times are still in the process of testing and analysis. > > > > A.V.Pathi, > > Astrologer > > 103, Black Tie Lane, Chapel Hill, > > North Carolina, 27514, USA > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2008 Report Share Posted September 18, 2008 Sunil Nair I never addressed my message to you. You are off my list Girish Raheja , " sunil nair " <astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > > > girish raheja > > learn more ,read more ,astrologer shud know more sastras and puranas . > > > > varna is not cast ,it is based on guna and karma mean no one born with > it ,so it is wat prashnath ji or any one said ,it is appliable in 4 ages > .or any ages to come . > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > , " girish_raheja " > <girish_raheja@> wrote: > > > > Dear Members, > > > > Can we condemn our classics simply because they talk of Varna which > > may not be palatable today because of our political compulsions. > > > > Classics have classified even the zodiac signs according to Varna > > > > Aires > Kshatriya > > Taurus > Vaishya > > Gemini > Shoodra > > Cancer > Vipra > > > > The sequence follows in the same order. > > > > At least I can not dump the classics. I would rather redefine the > > Varna as respected Prashant Kumar ji has done in his earlier message > > then deny the existence of Varna altogether. > > > > Regards, > > > > Girish Raheja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " sunil nair " > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna > > > > > > dear pathi ji , > > > > > > > > > > > > i am answering u but it is not for u . > > > > > > the problem here is too much depending on sankrit shlokas ,any one > > with > > > some bent of sanskrit can make a shloka and then future generation > > can > > > suffer on it by dog fights which happened here ,the problem is > > lack of > > > real scientific bent of mind .even if based on varna do u think is > > they > > > r aliens and with no life science appliable but the secret is they > > shud > > > wait or i cant disclose . > > > > > > > > > > > > but a person well devlped in basics cn know what is it and what to > > adopt > > > . > > > > > > even the shola quoted is very against the essence of religion > > which is > > > very basis of astrology .even very much agaisnt of astrology ,but > > fools > > > prefer to be fools and some fools want me to quote my studies ,if > > they > > > dont understand basic ,who am i to illuminate this fools who in the > > > pretext of harassing wanted to know technics . > > > > > > > > > > > > as religion dont support some one can born as a caste as there is > > not > > > caste in vedas . > > > > > > > > > > > > if some one coming for street dog fight with me refer geetha .All > > street > > > dogs can refer geetha on it .search wat is varna then wat is > > caste . > > > > > > > > > > > > all street dogs who fvr their pet theories shud think tht > > astrology then > > > become a limited subjuct to only india( that also caste india ) > > and no > > > use in other countries or even in india generaly where we hav even > > > adivasi states . > > > > > > also think then u can classify almost all rishi munis also as some > > > sheduled castes . > > > > > > still i proove right without proving myself > > > > > > > > > > > > sorry for i hav to b blunt > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah . > > > > > > ps --there is some ppl who wnted to learn by shouting or > > squessing or > > > guerilla methods ,that is why i holding back real essence as it is > > very > > > much against this astrology and guru paramapara > > > > > > till then show real color of breeding . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , venkatachala pathi > > > <pathiav@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Sirs, > > > > Sri Vettem Krishnan is a very knowledgeable person in > > Astrology. Lot > > > of interesting, as well as educative, inputs are from him in this > > Forum. > > > > Modern concepts in any field is grown out of old theories and > > old data > > > and analysis are still valid. Of course, they are tested doctrines, > > > while 'improvements' brought by many learned Pundits in the field > > in > > > modern times are still in the process of testing and analysis. > > > > > > > > A.V.Pathi, > > > > Astrologer > > > > 103, Black Tie Lane, Chapel Hill, > > > > North Carolina, 27514, USA > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2008 Report Share Posted September 18, 2008 Dear Shri Pathi ji, I just one to cite an examply by quoting an instance of Prof Varma,a known sankrit scholar,an octogenerian. In cas of kuja dosha,he said it could be overcome by making dana of gold to a brahmin at the time of Gowri pooja in the case of girl(bride) Even Classicals,basis for all of us today,have mentioned as indicationsie likelyhood.so we in our analysis find problem have also got ways that can be suggested.These are simple and have to be taken with faith and sincerity No need to get worried or frightened if some issues are noticed causing concern in any horoscope.let's not forget dasa prevailing to find what results are likely or not with all best wishes vrkrishnan --- On Wed, 9/17/08, venkatachala pathi <pathiav wrote: venkatachala pathi <pathiav Re: naadi dosh Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 9:29 AM Sirs, Sri Vettem Krishnan is a very knowledgeable person in Astrology. Lot of interesting, as well as educative, inputs are from him in this Forum. Modern concepts in any field is grown out of old theories and old data and analysis are still valid. Of course, they are tested doctrines, while 'improvements' brought by many learned Pundits in the field in modern times are still in the process of testing and analysis. A.V.Pathi, Astrologer 103, Black Tie Lane, Chapel Hill, North Carolina, 27514, USA vattem krishnan <bursar_99 > Wednesday, September 17, 2008 8:05:18 AM Re: naadi dosh Dear Shri Girish Ji, You hav put very lucidly the role of Astrology and what it was really as per classicals and also the need to expand as per present day requirements. In the group we get lot of queries with reference to what had been informed /conveyed by other Astrologers. Some of these views appears to have been considered in a limited scope.I for one who feels lot of scope for freewill in Astrology.I may not be really correct and might also be not in tune with others in this regard.yet I feel trial that matters without loosing heart.In this direction If Astrology can guide it is of immense help to th society where growing concern for insecurity can orioerly addressd. Thanks for your clarification. Hope Iam not misunderstood. Let me also add that in no way I can become a professional Astrologer nor I have built such kind of ambition in life.ofcourse I ws involved with the subject sincerely from the time Astrology was considered for courses in university education regards vrkrishnan --- On Wed, 9/17/08, girish_raheja <girish_raheja@ .co. in> wrote: girish_raheja <girish_raheja@ .co. in> Re: naadi dosh Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 3:03 AM Respected Krishnan ji, I am not an astrologer, professional or otherwise. I am just interested in astrology. I agree that Naadi matching is not every thing for compatibility in marriage. I was just placing before the group the views expressed in the classics. With wide spread education, horizons of knowledge and awareness widened, most of these old concepts have either lost their meaning or as you have said need being redifined. I am all for redefining these rules and make them applicable to the present times and changed conditions. By no stretch of imagination I am an old foggy. I ain't no square. With great regards, Girish Raheja , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@. ..> wrote: > > Dear Shri Girish Ji, > Most appropriate reference on the basis of classical views.while in application process in today's society not really on the basis of varnasram dharma.we need also to broaden classicals and apply as relevant as on today. > Infact Kuta in a way signifies " sum " " total " and the components of this total are?for identifaication and classification of human kind.This classifications covers whole lot of sheres of huamn activities.we need to facilitate all these aspects and?apply to build up an Institution of marraige even in changed environment. The progression can be made by applying all these aspects broadly. > naadi as what exists in every one is factually but in the processing of application we infer as doshas on certain confirmed parameters.our effort is to bring a harmonic and peaceful co existence and build up society,ofcourse through astrological principles/guidelin es > ? > vrkrishnan > > --- On Wed, 9/17/08, girish_raheja <girish_raheja@ ...> wrote: > > girish_raheja <girish_raheja@ ...> > naadi dosh > > Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 1:13 AM Dear Members, > > naadidoshashch vipranam, varnadoshastu bhoobhujaam > gandoshashch vaishyesu, yonidoshashch paadjaam > eknakshatrajaataana m naadidosh vidyate, > anyarkshpativedhesh u vivahe varjitah sadaa. > > This is an old classic dictum followed by tradional pundits while > matching horoscopes. > > Naadi dosh is crucial in the case of Brahmins, Varna dosh is crucial > in the case of Kshatriya, gan dosh is crucial in the case of vaishya > and yoni dosh is crucial in the case of shoodras. > > This means that if the bride and the groom are brahmins and have a > naadi dosh then that marriage is 'varjit'. However they can marry > after doing the parihars.Similarly if the kshatriya couple have > varna dosh then the marriage is 'varjit' and so on. > > The fact that four matching area: naadi, varna, gan and yoni have > been associated with four different castes shows that these factors > are not universally applicable and instead are caste specific. Had > any one of them been an Ayurveda concept [ physiological] then it > should have been applicable across the board to all castes. > > Regards, > > Girish Raheja > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2008 Report Share Posted September 18, 2008 Dear Mr. Krishnan. Mimasa ** was my special subject in my Honors.  I am in the field for last 46 years, and I will be 79 on 29th of this month. Astrology, in all available forms in all parts of world, was read by me and I have a huge library of books in UK, here in USA, India and in Muscat. I still read and learn many details - hidden - given to us by great Rishis and exponents in the field. Still I feel I am not complete in my knowledge. I have been lecturing on Astrology in many parts of world for over 19 years now.  I visited UK (7 times), Gulf (4 times)- Muscat - Doha- Istanbul- Duboi-Sherjah, all segments and towns of USA (8 times), S'pore, Malaysia, Australia and Sri Lanka, apart from visiting every major town in India, meeting many stalwarts in the subject, to learn from them. Every person in this field must be knowing my name, including 'Google'.  I am also in the committee of reviewers of a famous Indian journal for writing reviews of Books on Astrology before publishing. I am a very humble man. I learn from everyone of you everyday. I am a Baktha of Gods and do Pooja regularly.  I do not believe, in prayers for remedies, talisman, chakras, stones, Dhanas, and Yagas. I am not against those who believe in them. I do not believe in human 'yogies'. Perhaps, in many of their followers' views, I am wrong. Well! I had traveled a long distance in my life path with all these as my strong views. Yet I do not impose these views on others. God has given me everything, - health, wealth, knowledge and peace. I had seen your mails. You are a very learned, intelligent and knowledgeable person, and I have great respect for your mails. Please continue your mission and follow the dictum emanate in you and be faithful to the subject, which we all discuss and worship. God will certainly be with you. Regards, and thank you for sending a mail in my name. ** MÄ«mÄṃsÄ, a Sanskrit word meaning " investigation " (compare Greek ἱστοÏία), is the name of an astika ( " orthodox " ) school of Hindu philosophy whose primary enquiry is into the nature of dharma based on close hermeneutics of the Vedas. Its core tenets are ritualism (orthopraxy), anti-asceticism and anti-mysticism. The central aim of the school is elucidation of the nature of dharma, understood as a set ritual obligations and prerogatives to be performed properly. The nature of dharma isn't accessible to reason or observation, and must be inferred from the authority of the revelation contained in the Vedas, which are considered eternal, authorless (apaurusheyatva), and infallible.[1] Mimamsa strongly concerned with textual exegesis, and consequently gave rise to the study of philology and the philosophy of language. Its notion of shabda " speech " as indivisible unity of sound and meaning (signifier and signified) is due to Bhartrhari (7th century). ******Blessings.   A.V.Pathi,                                  \     103, Black Tie Lane, Chapel Hill, North Carolina, 27514, USA 001-919-960-3833 vattem krishnan <bursar_99 Thursday, September 18, 2008 9:01:27 AM Re: naadi dosh Dear Shri Pathi ji, I just one to cite an examply by quoting an instance of Prof Varma,a known sankrit scholar,an octogenerian. In cas of kuja dosha,he said it could be overcome by making dana of gold to a brahmin at the time of Gowri pooja in the case of girl(bride) Even Classicals,basis for all of us today,have mentioned as indicationsie likelyhood.so we in our analysis find problem have also got ways that can be suggested.These are simple and have to be taken with faith and sincerity No need to get worried or frightened if some issues are noticed causing concern in any horoscope.let' s not forget dasa prevailing to find what results are likely or not with all best wishes vrkrishnan --- On Wed, 9/17/08, venkatachala pathi <pathiav > wrote: venkatachala pathi <pathiav > Re: naadi dosh Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 9:29 AM Sirs, Sri Vettem Krishnan is a very knowledgeable person in Astrology. Lot of interesting, as well as educative, inputs are from him in this Forum. Modern concepts in any field is grown out of old theories and old data and analysis are still valid. Of course, they are tested doctrines, while 'improvements' brought by many learned Pundits in the field in modern times are still in the process of testing and analysis.   A.V.Pathi,  Astrologer                                   \  103, Black Tie Lane, Chapel Hill, North Carolina, 27514, USA    vattem krishnan <bursar_99 > Wednesday, September 17, 2008 8:05:18 AM Re: naadi dosh Dear Shri Girish Ji, You hav put very lucidly the role of Astrology and what it was really as per classicals and also the need to expand as per present day requirements. In the group we get lot of queries with reference to what had been informed /conveyed by other Astrologers. Some of these views appears to have been considered in a limited scope.I for one who feels lot of scope for freewill in Astrology.I may not be really correct and might also be not in tune with others in this regard.yet I feel trial that matters without loosing heart.In this direction If Astrology can guide it is of immense help to th society where growing concern for insecurity can orioerly addressd. Thanks for your clarification. Hope Iam not misunderstood. Let me also add that in no way I can become a professional Astrologer nor I have built such kind of ambition in life.ofcourse I ws involved with the subject sincerely from the time Astrology was considered for courses in university education regards vrkrishnan --- On Wed, 9/17/08, girish_raheja <girish_raheja@ .co. in> wrote: girish_raheja <girish_raheja@ .co. in> Re: naadi dosh Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 3:03 AM Respected Krishnan ji, I am not an astrologer, professional or otherwise. I am just interested in astrology. I agree that Naadi matching is not every thing for compatibility in marriage. I was just placing before the group the views expressed in the classics. With wide spread education, horizons of knowledge and awareness widened, most of these old concepts have either lost their meaning or as you have said need being redifined. I am all for redefining these rules and make them applicable to the present times and changed conditions. By no stretch of imagination I am an old foggy. I ain't no square. With great regards, Girish Raheja , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@. ..> wrote: > > Dear Shri Girish Ji, > Most appropriate reference on the basis of classical views.while in application process in today's society not really on the basis of varnasram dharma.we need also to broaden classicals and apply as relevant as on today. > Infact Kuta in a way signifies " sum " " total " and the components of this total are?for identifaication and classification of human kind.This classifications covers whole lot of sheres of huamn activities.we need to facilitate all these aspects and?apply to build up an Institution of marraige even in changed environment. The progression can be made by applying all these aspects broadly. > naadi as what exists in every one is factually but in the processing of application we infer as doshas on certain confirmed parameters.our effort is to bring a harmonic and peaceful co existence and build up society,ofcourse through astrological principles/guidelin es > ? > vrkrishnan > > --- On Wed, 9/17/08, girish_raheja <girish_raheja@ ...> wrote: > > girish_raheja <girish_raheja@ ...> > naadi dosh > > Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 1:13 AM Dear Members, > > naadidoshashch vipranam, varnadoshastu bhoobhujaam > gandoshashch vaishyesu, yonidoshashch paadjaam > eknakshatrajaataana m naadidosh vidyate, > anyarkshpativedhesh u vivahe varjitah sadaa. > > This is an old classic dictum followed by tradional pundits while > matching horoscopes. > > Naadi dosh is crucial in the case of Brahmins, Varna dosh is crucial > in the case of Kshatriya, gan dosh is crucial in the case of vaishya > and yoni dosh is crucial in the case of shoodras. > > This means that if the bride and the groom are brahmins and have a > naadi dosh then that marriage is 'varjit'. However they can marry > after doing the parihars.Similarly if the kshatriya couple have > varna dosh then the marriage is 'varjit' and so on. > > The fact that four matching area: naadi, varna, gan and yoni have > been associated with four different castes shows that these factors > are not universally applicable and instead are caste specific. Had > any one of them been an Ayurveda concept [ physiological] then it > should have been applicable across the board to all castes. > > Regards, > > Girish Raheja > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2008 Report Share Posted September 19, 2008 --- On Thu, 9/18/08, venkatachala pathi <pathiav wrote: venkatachala pathi <pathiav Re: naadi dosh Thursday, September 18, 2008, 11:08 AM Dear Mr. Krishnan. Mimasa ** was my special subject in my Honors.  I am in the field for last 46 years, and I will be 79 on 29th of this month. Astrology, in all available forms in all parts of world, was read by me and I have a huge library of books in UK, here in USA, India and in Muscat. I still read and learn many details - hidden - given to us by great Rishis and exponents in the field. Still I feel I am not complete in my knowledge. I have been lecturing on Astrology in many parts of world for over 19 years now.  I visited UK (7 times), Gulf (4 times)- Muscat - Doha- Istanbul- Duboi-Sherjah, all segments and towns of USA (8 times), S'pore, Malaysia, Australia and Sri Lanka, apart from visiting every major town in India, meeting many stalwarts in the subject, to learn from them. Every person in this field must be knowing my name, including 'Google'.  I am also in the committee of reviewers of a famous Indian journal for writing reviews of Books on Astrology before publishing. I am a very humble man. I learn from everyone of you everyday. I am a Baktha of Gods and do Pooja regularly.  I do not believe, in prayers for remedies, talisman, chakras, stones, Dhanas, and Yagas. I am not against those who believe in them. I do not believe in human 'yogies'. Perhaps, in many of their followers' views, I am wrong. Well! I had traveled a long distance in my life path with all these as my strong views. Yet I do not impose these views on others. God has given me everything, - health, wealth, knowledge and peace. I had seen your mails. You are a very learned, intelligent and knowledgeable person, and I have great respect for your mails. Please continue your mission and follow the dictum emanate in you and be faithful to the subject, which we all discuss and worship. God will certainly be with you. Regards, and thank you for sending a mail in my name. ** MÄ«mÄṃsÄ, a Sanskrit word meaning " investigation " (compare Greek ἱστοÏία), is the name of an astika ( " orthodox " ) school of Hindu philosophy whose primary enquiry is into the nature of dharma based on close hermeneutics of the Vedas. Its core tenets are ritualism (orthopraxy) , anti-asceticism and anti-mysticism. The central aim of the school is elucidation of the nature of dharma, understood as a set ritual obligations and prerogatives to be performed properly. The nature of dharma isn't accessible to reason or observation, and must be inferred from the authority of the revelation contained in the Vedas, which are considered eternal, authorless (apaurusheyatva) , and infallible.[ 1] Mimamsa strongly concerned with textual exegesis, and consequently gave rise to the study of philology and the philosophy of language. Its notion of shabda " speech " as indivisible unity of sound and meaning (signifier and signified) is due to Bhartrhari (7th century). ******Blessings.   A.V.Pathi,                                  \     103, Black Tie Lane, Chapel Hill, North Carolina, 27514, USA 001-919-960- 3833 vattem krishnan <bursar_99 > Thursday, September 18, 2008 9:01:27 AM Re: naadi dosh Dear Shri Pathi ji, I just one to cite an examply by quoting an instance of Prof Varma,a known sankrit scholar,an octogenerian. In cas of kuja dosha,he said it could be overcome by making dana of gold to a brahmin at the time of Gowri pooja in the case of girl(bride) Even Classicals,basis for all of us today,have mentioned as indicationsie likelyhood.so we in our analysis find problem have also got ways that can be suggested.These are simple and have to be taken with faith and sincerity No need to get worried or frightened if some issues are noticed causing concern in any horoscope.let' s not forget dasa prevailing to find what results are likely or not with all best wishes vrkrishnan --- On Wed, 9/17/08, venkatachala pathi <pathiav > wrote: venkatachala pathi <pathiav > Re: naadi dosh Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 9:29 AM Sirs, Sri Vettem Krishnan is a very knowledgeable person in Astrology. Lot of interesting, as well as educative, inputs are from him in this Forum. Modern concepts in any field is grown out of old theories and old data and analysis are still valid. Of course, they are tested doctrines, while 'improvements' brought by many learned Pundits in the field in modern times are still in the process of testing and analysis.   A.V.Pathi,  Astrologer                                   \  103, Black Tie Lane, Chapel Hill, North Carolina, 27514, USA    vattem krishnan <bursar_99 > Wednesday, September 17, 2008 8:05:18 AM Re: naadi dosh Dear Shri Girish Ji, You hav put very lucidly the role of Astrology and what it was really as per classicals and also the need to expand as per present day requirements. In the group we get lot of queries with reference to what had been informed /conveyed by other Astrologers. Some of these views appears to have been considered in a limited scope.I for one who feels lot of scope for freewill in Astrology.I may not be really correct and might also be not in tune with others in this regard.yet I feel trial that matters without loosing heart.In this direction If Astrology can guide it is of immense help to th society where growing concern for insecurity can orioerly addressd. Thanks for your clarification. Hope Iam not misunderstood. Let me also add that in no way I can become a professional Astrologer nor I have built such kind of ambition in life.ofcourse I ws involved with the subject sincerely from the time Astrology was considered for courses in university education regards vrkrishnan --- On Wed, 9/17/08, girish_raheja <girish_raheja@ .co. in> wrote: girish_raheja <girish_raheja@ .co. in> Re: naadi dosh Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 3:03 AM Respected Krishnan ji, I am not an astrologer, professional or otherwise. I am just interested in astrology. I agree that Naadi matching is not every thing for compatibility in marriage. I was just placing before the group the views expressed in the classics. With wide spread education, horizons of knowledge and awareness widened, most of these old concepts have either lost their meaning or as you have said need being redifined. I am all for redefining these rules and make them applicable to the present times and changed conditions. By no stretch of imagination I am an old foggy. I ain't no square. With great regards, Girish Raheja , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@. ..> wrote: > > Dear Shri Girish Ji, > Most appropriate reference on the basis of classical views.while in application process in today's society not really on the basis of varnasram dharma.we need also to broaden classicals and apply as relevant as on today. > Infact Kuta in a way signifies " sum " " total " and the components of this total are?for identifaication and classification of human kind.This classifications covers whole lot of sheres of huamn activities.we need to facilitate all these aspects and?apply to build up an Institution of marraige even in changed environment. The progression can be made by applying all these aspects broadly. > naadi as what exists in every one is factually but in the processing of application we infer as doshas on certain confirmed parameters.our effort is to bring a harmonic and peaceful co existence and build up society,ofcourse through astrological principles/guidelin es > ? > vrkrishnan > > --- On Wed, 9/17/08, girish_raheja <girish_raheja@ ...> wrote: > > girish_raheja <girish_raheja@ ...> > naadi dosh > > Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 1:13 AM Dear Members, > > naadidoshashch vipranam, varnadoshastu bhoobhujaam > gandoshashch vaishyesu, yonidoshashch paadjaam > eknakshatrajaataana m naadidosh vidyate, > anyarkshpativedhesh u vivahe varjitah sadaa. > > This is an old classic dictum followed by tradional pundits while > matching horoscopes. > > Naadi dosh is crucial in the case of Brahmins, Varna dosh is crucial > in the case of Kshatriya, gan dosh is crucial in the case of vaishya > and yoni dosh is crucial in the case of shoodras. > > This means that if the bride and the groom are brahmins and have a > naadi dosh then that marriage is 'varjit'. However they can marry > after doing the parihars.Similarly if the kshatriya couple have > varna dosh then the marriage is 'varjit' and so on. > > The fact that four matching area: naadi, varna, gan and yoni have > been associated with four different castes shows that these factors > are not universally applicable and instead are caste specific. Had > any one of them been an Ayurveda concept [ physiological] then it > should have been applicable across the board to all castes. > > Regards, > > Girish Raheja > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2008 Report Share Posted September 19, 2008 Dear Sr Pathi Ji, I lack words except to express my venerations to you and your zeal.Belonging to Vaidik Brahmin people,My interest in jyotish is more or less of four decades understanding of the subject.Even now I find jyotish needs willingness to understand it's philosophy.The best way is also to have knowledge of mimaamsa.I understand the subject as more or less logic having vedic basis. having serviced in various Universities in the country and outside,Iam basically an All India service officer with qualification inthe fields of psychology,logic and natural sciences,I take interst in providing counselling to the people that approach.Iam in service and working for a Trust of Shri Matavaishnodevi Shrine Board.Iam guided by the late Shri BV Ramans School of Astrology.In Delhi along with Shri.K.N.Rao as my Guru and along with Justice S.N.kapoor,Shri Vasisht ji.Shri Nagar ji and other learned like Prof Muthu Swami of IIT Chennai I take inspiration to have a better view of Astrological Implications. My utmost deep regards. Born on 1st Aug1947 5.30 P.M,Rajahmundry vattem radha krishnan --- On Thu, 9/18/08, venkatachala pathi <pathiav wrote: venkatachala pathi <pathiav Re: naadi dosh Thursday, September 18, 2008, 11:08 AM Dear Mr. Krishnan. Mimasa ** was my special subject in my Honors.  I am in the field for last 46 years, and I will be 79 on 29th of this month. Astrology, in all available forms in all parts of world, was read by me and I have a huge library of books in UK, here in USA, India and in Muscat. I still read and learn many details - hidden - given to us by great Rishis and exponents in the field. Still I feel I am not complete in my knowledge. I have been lecturing on Astrology in many parts of world for over 19 years now.  I visited UK (7 times), Gulf (4 times)- Muscat - Doha- Istanbul- Duboi-Sherjah, all segments and towns of USA (8 times), S'pore, Malaysia, Australia and Sri Lanka, apart from visiting every major town in India, meeting many stalwarts in the subject, to learn from them. Every person in this field must be knowing my name, including 'Google'.  I am also in the committee of reviewers of a famous Indian journal for writing reviews of Books on Astrology before publishing. I am a very humble man. I learn from everyone of you everyday. I am a Baktha of Gods and do Pooja regularly.  I do not believe, in prayers for remedies, talisman, chakras, stones, Dhanas, and Yagas. I am not against those who believe in them. I do not believe in human 'yogies'. Perhaps, in many of their followers' views, I am wrong. Well! I had traveled a long distance in my life path with all these as my strong views. Yet I do not impose these views on others. God has given me everything, - health, wealth, knowledge and peace. I had seen your mails. You are a very learned, intelligent and knowledgeable person, and I have great respect for your mails. Please continue your mission and follow the dictum emanate in you and be faithful to the subject, which we all discuss and worship. God will certainly be with you. Regards, and thank you for sending a mail in my name. ** MÄ«mÄṃsÄ, a Sanskrit word meaning " investigation " (compare Greek ἱστοÏία), is the name of an astika ( " orthodox " ) school of Hindu philosophy whose primary enquiry is into the nature of dharma based on close hermeneutics of the Vedas. Its core tenets are ritualism (orthopraxy) , anti-asceticism and anti-mysticism. The central aim of the school is elucidation of the nature of dharma, understood as a set ritual obligations and prerogatives to be performed properly. The nature of dharma isn't accessible to reason or observation, and must be inferred from the authority of the revelation contained in the Vedas, which are considered eternal, authorless (apaurusheyatva) , and infallible.[ 1] Mimamsa strongly concerned with textual exegesis, and consequently gave rise to the study of philology and the philosophy of language. Its notion of shabda " speech " as indivisible unity of sound and meaning (signifier and signified) is due to Bhartrhari (7th century). ******Blessings.   A.V.Pathi,                                  \     103, Black Tie Lane, Chapel Hill, North Carolina, 27514, USA 001-919-960- 3833 vattem krishnan <bursar_99 > Thursday, September 18, 2008 9:01:27 AM Re: naadi dosh Dear Shri Pathi ji, I just one to cite an examply by quoting an instance of Prof Varma,a known sankrit scholar,an octogenerian. In cas of kuja dosha,he said it could be overcome by making dana of gold to a brahmin at the time of Gowri pooja in the case of girl(bride) Even Classicals,basis for all of us today,have mentioned as indicationsie likelyhood.so we in our analysis find problem have also got ways that can be suggested.These are simple and have to be taken with faith and sincerity No need to get worried or frightened if some issues are noticed causing concern in any horoscope.let' s not forget dasa prevailing to find what results are likely or not with all best wishes vrkrishnan --- On Wed, 9/17/08, venkatachala pathi <pathiav > wrote: venkatachala pathi <pathiav > Re: naadi dosh Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 9:29 AM Sirs, Sri Vettem Krishnan is a very knowledgeable person in Astrology. Lot of interesting, as well as educative, inputs are from him in this Forum. Modern concepts in any field is grown out of old theories and old data and analysis are still valid. Of course, they are tested doctrines, while 'improvements' brought by many learned Pundits in the field in modern times are still in the process of testing and analysis.   A.V.Pathi,  Astrologer                                   \  103, Black Tie Lane, Chapel Hill, North Carolina, 27514, USA    vattem krishnan <bursar_99 > Wednesday, September 17, 2008 8:05:18 AM Re: naadi dosh Dear Shri Girish Ji, You hav put very lucidly the role of Astrology and what it was really as per classicals and also the need to expand as per present day requirements. In the group we get lot of queries with reference to what had been informed /conveyed by other Astrologers. Some of these views appears to have been considered in a limited scope.I for one who feels lot of scope for freewill in Astrology.I may not be really correct and might also be not in tune with others in this regard.yet I feel trial that matters without loosing heart.In this direction If Astrology can guide it is of immense help to th society where growing concern for insecurity can orioerly addressd. Thanks for your clarification. Hope Iam not misunderstood. Let me also add that in no way I can become a professional Astrologer nor I have built such kind of ambition in life.ofcourse I ws involved with the subject sincerely from the time Astrology was considered for courses in university education regards vrkrishnan --- On Wed, 9/17/08, girish_raheja <girish_raheja@ .co. in> wrote: girish_raheja <girish_raheja@ .co. in> Re: naadi dosh Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 3:03 AM Respected Krishnan ji, I am not an astrologer, professional or otherwise. I am just interested in astrology. I agree that Naadi matching is not every thing for compatibility in marriage. I was just placing before the group the views expressed in the classics. With wide spread education, horizons of knowledge and awareness widened, most of these old concepts have either lost their meaning or as you have said need being redifined. I am all for redefining these rules and make them applicable to the present times and changed conditions. By no stretch of imagination I am an old foggy. I ain't no square. With great regards, Girish Raheja , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@. ..> wrote: > > Dear Shri Girish Ji, > Most appropriate reference on the basis of classical views.while in application process in today's society not really on the basis of varnasram dharma.we need also to broaden classicals and apply as relevant as on today. > Infact Kuta in a way signifies " sum " " total " and the components of this total are?for identifaication and classification of human kind.This classifications covers whole lot of sheres of huamn activities.we need to facilitate all these aspects and?apply to build up an Institution of marraige even in changed environment. The progression can be made by applying all these aspects broadly. > naadi as what exists in every one is factually but in the processing of application we infer as doshas on certain confirmed parameters.our effort is to bring a harmonic and peaceful co existence and build up society,ofcourse through astrological principles/guidelin es > ? > vrkrishnan > > --- On Wed, 9/17/08, girish_raheja <girish_raheja@ ...> wrote: > > girish_raheja <girish_raheja@ ...> > naadi dosh > > Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 1:13 AM Dear Members, > > naadidoshashch vipranam, varnadoshastu bhoobhujaam > gandoshashch vaishyesu, yonidoshashch paadjaam > eknakshatrajaataana m naadidosh vidyate, > anyarkshpativedhesh u vivahe varjitah sadaa. > > This is an old classic dictum followed by tradional pundits while > matching horoscopes. > > Naadi dosh is crucial in the case of Brahmins, Varna dosh is crucial > in the case of Kshatriya, gan dosh is crucial in the case of vaishya > and yoni dosh is crucial in the case of shoodras. > > This means that if the bride and the groom are brahmins and have a > naadi dosh then that marriage is 'varjit'. However they can marry > after doing the parihars.Similarly if the kshatriya couple have > varna dosh then the marriage is 'varjit' and so on. > > The fact that four matching area: naadi, varna, gan and yoni have > been associated with four different castes shows that these factors > are not universally applicable and instead are caste specific. Had > any one of them been an Ayurveda concept [ physiological] then it > should have been applicable across the board to all castes. > > Regards, > > Girish Raheja > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2008 Report Share Posted September 19, 2008 Dear Vatten Krishnan, I am greatly privileged to know you, Sir.  Regards,  A.V.Pathi,                                  \       vattem krishnan <bursar_99 Thursday, September 18, 2008 9:04:14 PM Re: naadi dosh Dear Sr Pathi Ji, I lack words except to express my venerations to you and your zeal.Belonging to Vaidik Brahmin people,My interest in jyotish is more or less of four decades understanding of the subject.Even now I find jyotish needs willingness to understand it's philosophy.The best way is also to have knowledge of mimaamsa.I understand the subject as more or less logic having vedic basis. having serviced in various Universities in the country and outside,Iam basically an All India service officer with qualification inthe fields of psychology, logic and natural sciences,I take interst in providing counselling to the people that approach.Iam in service and working for a Trust of Shri Matavaishnodevi Shrine Board.Iam guided by the late Shri BV Ramans School of Astrology.In Delhi along with Shri.K.N.Rao as my Guru and along with Justice S.N.kapoor,Shri Vasisht ji.Shri Nagar ji and other learned like Prof Muthu Swami of IIT Chennai I take inspiration to have a better view of Astrological Implications. My utmost deep regards. Born on 1st Aug1947 5.30 P.M,Rajahmundry vattem radha krishnan --- On Thu, 9/18/08, venkatachala pathi <pathiav > wrote: venkatachala pathi <pathiav > Re: naadi dosh Thursday, September 18, 2008, 11:08 AM Dear Mr. Krishnan. Mimasa ** was my special subject in my Honors.  I am in the field for last 46 years, and I will be 79 on 29th of this month. Astrology, in all available forms in all parts of world, was read by me and I have a huge library of books in UK, here in USA, India and in Muscat. I still read and learn many details - hidden - given to us by great Rishis and exponents in the field. Still I feel I am not complete in my knowledge. I have been lecturing on Astrology in many parts of world for over 19 years now.  I visited UK (7 times), Gulf (4 times)- Muscat - Doha- Istanbul- Duboi-Sherjah, all segments and towns of USA (8 times), S'pore, Malaysia, Australia and Sri Lanka, apart from visiting every major town in India, meeting many stalwarts in the subject, to learn from them. Every person in this field must be knowing my name, including 'Google'.  I am also in the committee of reviewers of a famous Indian journal for writing reviews of Books on Astrology before publishing. I am a very humble man. I learn from everyone of you everyday. I am a Baktha of Gods and do Pooja regularly.  I do not believe, in prayers for remedies, talisman, chakras, stones, Dhanas, and Yagas. I am not against those who believe in them. I do not believe in human 'yogies'. Perhaps, in many of their followers' views, I am wrong. Well! I had traveled a long distance in my life path with all these as my strong views. Yet I do not impose these views on others. God has given me everything, - health, wealth, knowledge and peace. I had seen your mails. You are a very learned, intelligent and knowledgeable person, and I have great respect for your mails. Please continue your mission and follow the dictum emanate in you and be faithful to the subject, which we all discuss and worship. God will certainly be with you. Regards, and thank you for sending a mail in my name. ** MÄ«mÄṃsÄ, a Sanskrit word meaning " investigation " (compare Greek ἱστοÏία), is the name of an astika ( " orthodox " ) school of Hindu philosophy whose primary enquiry is into the nature of dharma based on close hermeneutics of the Vedas. Its core tenets are ritualism (orthopraxy) , anti-asceticism and anti-mysticism. The central aim of the school is elucidation of the nature of dharma, understood as a set ritual obligations and prerogatives to be performed properly. The nature of dharma isn't accessible to reason or observation, and must be inferred from the authority of the revelation contained in the Vedas, which are considered eternal, authorless (apaurusheyatva) , and infallible.[ 1] Mimamsa strongly concerned with textual exegesis, and consequently gave rise to the study of philology and the philosophy of language. Its notion of shabda " speech " as indivisible unity of sound and meaning (signifier and signified) is due to Bhartrhari (7th century). ******Blessings.   A.V.Pathi,                                  \     103, Black Tie Lane, Chapel Hill, North Carolina, 27514, USA 001-919-960- 3833 vattem krishnan <bursar_99 > Thursday, September 18, 2008 9:01:27 AM Re: naadi dosh Dear Shri Pathi ji, I just one to cite an examply by quoting an instance of Prof Varma,a known sankrit scholar,an octogenerian. In cas of kuja dosha,he said it could be overcome by making dana of gold to a brahmin at the time of Gowri pooja in the case of girl(bride) Even Classicals,basis for all of us today,have mentioned as indicationsie likelyhood.so we in our analysis find problem have also got ways that can be suggested.These are simple and have to be taken with faith and sincerity No need to get worried or frightened if some issues are noticed causing concern in any horoscope.let' s not forget dasa prevailing to find what results are likely or not with all best wishes vrkrishnan --- On Wed, 9/17/08, venkatachala pathi <pathiav > wrote: venkatachala pathi <pathiav > Re: naadi dosh Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 9:29 AM Sirs, Sri Vettem Krishnan is a very knowledgeable person in Astrology. Lot of interesting, as well as educative, inputs are from him in this Forum. Modern concepts in any field is grown out of old theories and old data and analysis are still valid. Of course, they are tested doctrines, while 'improvements' brought by many learned Pundits in the field in modern times are still in the process of testing and analysis.   A.V.Pathi,  Astrologer                                   \  103, Black Tie Lane, Chapel Hill, North Carolina, 27514, USA    vattem krishnan <bursar_99 > Wednesday, September 17, 2008 8:05:18 AM Re: naadi dosh Dear Shri Girish Ji, You hav put very lucidly the role of Astrology and what it was really as per classicals and also the need to expand as per present day requirements. In the group we get lot of queries with reference to what had been informed /conveyed by other Astrologers. Some of these views appears to have been considered in a limited scope.I for one who feels lot of scope for freewill in Astrology.I may not be really correct and might also be not in tune with others in this regard.yet I feel trial that matters without loosing heart.In this direction If Astrology can guide it is of immense help to th society where growing concern for insecurity can orioerly addressd. Thanks for your clarification. Hope Iam not misunderstood. Let me also add that in no way I can become a professional Astrologer nor I have built such kind of ambition in life.ofcourse I ws involved with the subject sincerely from the time Astrology was considered for courses in university education regards vrkrishnan --- On Wed, 9/17/08, girish_raheja <girish_raheja@ .co. in> wrote: girish_raheja <girish_raheja@ .co. in> Re: naadi dosh Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 3:03 AM Respected Krishnan ji, I am not an astrologer, professional or otherwise. I am just interested in astrology. I agree that Naadi matching is not every thing for compatibility in marriage. I was just placing before the group the views expressed in the classics. With wide spread education, horizons of knowledge and awareness widened, most of these old concepts have either lost their meaning or as you have said need being redifined. I am all for redefining these rules and make them applicable to the present times and changed conditions. By no stretch of imagination I am an old foggy. I ain't no square. With great regards, Girish Raheja , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@. ..> wrote: > > Dear Shri Girish Ji, > Most appropriate reference on the basis of classical views.while in application process in today's society not really on the basis of varnasram dharma.we need also to broaden classicals and apply as relevant as on today. > Infact Kuta in a way signifies " sum " " total " and the components of this total are?for identifaication and classification of human kind.This classifications covers whole lot of sheres of huamn activities.we need to facilitate all these aspects and?apply to build up an Institution of marraige even in changed environment. The progression can be made by applying all these aspects broadly. > naadi as what exists in every one is factually but in the processing of application we infer as doshas on certain confirmed parameters.our effort is to bring a harmonic and peaceful co existence and build up society,ofcourse through astrological principles/guidelin es > ? > vrkrishnan > > --- On Wed, 9/17/08, girish_raheja <girish_raheja@ ...> wrote: > > girish_raheja <girish_raheja@ ...> > naadi dosh > > Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 1:13 AM Dear Members, > > naadidoshashch vipranam, varnadoshastu bhoobhujaam > gandoshashch vaishyesu, yonidoshashch paadjaam > eknakshatrajaataana m naadidosh vidyate, > anyarkshpativedhesh u vivahe varjitah sadaa. > > This is an old classic dictum followed by tradional pundits while > matching horoscopes. > > Naadi dosh is crucial in the case of Brahmins, Varna dosh is crucial > in the case of Kshatriya, gan dosh is crucial in the case of vaishya > and yoni dosh is crucial in the case of shoodras. > > This means that if the bride and the groom are brahmins and have a > naadi dosh then that marriage is 'varjit'. However they can marry > after doing the parihars.Similarly if the kshatriya couple have > varna dosh then the marriage is 'varjit' and so on. > > The fact that four matching area: naadi, varna, gan and yoni have > been associated with four different castes shows that these factors > are not universally applicable and instead are caste specific. Had > any one of them been an Ayurveda concept [ physiological] then it > should have been applicable across the board to all castes. > > Regards, > > Girish Raheja > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 Dear Girishji, Thanks for the info. It is important to go back to where we all started at times. But if astrology has to hold relevance for new multitude who need it some more relevant viewpoints will have to be touched upon. In terms of matching horoscopes in today's set up it is vital to check out perhaps attraction, mental compatibility,yogas for foriegn settlement etc for a happy married life.  What were vital concerns of yesterday fail to dominate the scenario today. A woman's horoscope which showed a low potential for child birth and may have been rejected earlier no longer finds relevance today. The needs and wants of the current day marriages are very different. Therefore the need to study more combinations that are relevant to society today. Afterall astrology is meant for the regular person caught up in the regular grinds and pressures of every day life. Vats --- On Thu, 18/9/08, vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: vattem krishnan <bursar_99 Re: naadi dosh Thursday, 18 September, 2008, 6:31 PM Dear Shri Pathi ji, I just one to cite an examply by quoting an instance of Prof Varma,a known sankrit scholar,an octogenerian. In cas of kuja dosha,he said it could be overcome by making dana of gold to a brahmin at the time of Gowri pooja in the case of girl(bride) Even Classicals,basis for all of us today,have mentioned as indicationsie likelyhood.so we in our analysis find problem have also got ways that can be suggested.These are simple and have to be taken with faith and sincerity No need to get worried or frightened if some issues are noticed causing concern in any horoscope.let' s not forget dasa prevailing to find what results are likely or not with all best wishes vrkrishnan --- On Wed, 9/17/08, venkatachala pathi <pathiav > wrote: venkatachala pathi <pathiav > Re: naadi dosh Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 9:29 AM Sirs, Sri Vettem Krishnan is a very knowledgeable person in Astrology. Lot of interesting, as well as educative, inputs are from him in this Forum. Modern concepts in any field is grown out of old theories and old data and analysis are still valid. Of course, they are tested doctrines, while 'improvements' brought by many learned Pundits in the field in modern times are still in the process of testing and analysis.   A.V.Pathi,  Astrologer                                   \  103, Black Tie Lane, Chapel Hill, North Carolina, 27514, USA    vattem krishnan <bursar_99 > Wednesday, September 17, 2008 8:05:18 AM Re: naadi dosh Dear Shri Girish Ji, You hav put very lucidly the role of Astrology and what it was really as per classicals and also the need to expand as per present day requirements. In the group we get lot of queries with reference to what had been informed /conveyed by other Astrologers. Some of these views appears to have been considered in a limited scope.I for one who feels lot of scope for freewill in Astrology.I may not be really correct and might also be not in tune with others in this regard.yet I feel trial that matters without loosing heart.In this direction If Astrology can guide it is of immense help to th society where growing concern for insecurity can orioerly addressd. Thanks for your clarification. Hope Iam not misunderstood. Let me also add that in no way I can become a professional Astrologer nor I have built such kind of ambition in life.ofcourse I ws involved with the subject sincerely from the time Astrology was considered for courses in university education regards vrkrishnan --- On Wed, 9/17/08, girish_raheja <girish_raheja@ .co. in> wrote: girish_raheja <girish_raheja@ .co. in> Re: naadi dosh Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 3:03 AM Respected Krishnan ji, I am not an astrologer, professional or otherwise. I am just interested in astrology. I agree that Naadi matching is not every thing for compatibility in marriage. I was just placing before the group the views expressed in the classics. With wide spread education, horizons of knowledge and awareness widened, most of these old concepts have either lost their meaning or as you have said need being redifined. I am all for redefining these rules and make them applicable to the present times and changed conditions. By no stretch of imagination I am an old foggy. I ain't no square. With great regards, Girish Raheja , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@. ..> wrote: > > Dear Shri Girish Ji, > Most appropriate reference on the basis of classical views.while in application process in today's society not really on the basis of varnasram dharma.we need also to broaden classicals and apply as relevant as on today. > Infact Kuta in a way signifies " sum " " total " and the components of this total are?for identifaication and classification of human kind.This classifications covers whole lot of sheres of huamn activities.we need to facilitate all these aspects and?apply to build up an Institution of marraige even in changed environment. The progression can be made by applying all these aspects broadly. > naadi as what exists in every one is factually but in the processing of application we infer as doshas on certain confirmed parameters.our effort is to bring a harmonic and peaceful co existence and build up society,ofcourse through astrological principles/guidelin es > ? > vrkrishnan > > --- On Wed, 9/17/08, girish_raheja <girish_raheja@ ...> wrote: > > girish_raheja <girish_raheja@ ...> > naadi dosh > > Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 1:13 AM Dear Members, > > naadidoshashch vipranam, varnadoshastu bhoobhujaam > gandoshashch vaishyesu, yonidoshashch paadjaam > eknakshatrajaataana m naadidosh vidyate, > anyarkshpativedhesh u vivahe varjitah sadaa. > > This is an old classic dictum followed by tradional pundits while > matching horoscopes. > > Naadi dosh is crucial in the case of Brahmins, Varna dosh is crucial > in the case of Kshatriya, gan dosh is crucial in the case of vaishya > and yoni dosh is crucial in the case of shoodras. > > This means that if the bride and the groom are brahmins and have a > naadi dosh then that marriage is 'varjit'. However they can marry > after doing the parihars.Similarly if the kshatriya couple have > varna dosh then the marriage is 'varjit' and so on. > > The fact that four matching area: naadi, varna, gan and yoni have > been associated with four different castes shows that these factors > are not universally applicable and instead are caste specific. Had > any one of them been an Ayurveda concept [ physiological] then it > should have been applicable across the board to all castes. > > Regards, > > Girish Raheja > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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