naadi dosh

September 17, 2008

Dear Members,

naadidoshashch vipranam, varnadoshastu bhoobhujaam

gandoshashch vaishyesu, yonidoshashch paadjaam

eknakshatrajaataanam naadidosh vidyate,

anyarkshpativedheshu vivahe varjitah sadaa.

This is an old classic dictum followed by tradional pundits while

matching horoscopes.

Naadi dosh is crucial in the case of Brahmins, Varna dosh is crucial

in the case of Kshatriya, gan dosh is crucial in the case of vaishya

and yoni dosh is crucial in the case of shoodras.

This means that if the bride and the groom are brahmins and have a

naadi dosh then that marriage is 'varjit'. However they can marry

after doing the parihars.Similarly if the kshatriya couple have

varna dosh then the marriage is 'varjit' and so on.

The fact that four matching area: naadi, varna, gan and yoni have

been associated with four different castes shows that these factors

are not universally applicable and instead are caste specific. Had

any one of them been an Ayurveda concept [ physiological] then it

should have been applicable across the board to all castes.

Regards,

Girish Raheja

September 17, 2008

Dear Shri Girish Ji,

Most appropriate reference on the basis of classical views.while in application

process in today's society not really on the basis of varnasram dharma.we need

also to broaden classicals and apply as relevant as on today.

Infact Kuta in a way signifies " sum " " total " and the components of this total

are for identifaication and classification of human kind.This classifications

covers whole lot of sheres of huamn activities.we need to facilitate all these

aspects and apply to build up an Institution of marraige even in changed

environment.The progression can be made by applying all these aspects broadly.

naadi as what exists in every one is factually but in the processing of

application we infer as doshas on certain confirmed parameters.our effort is to

bring a harmonic and peaceful co existence and build up society,ofcourse through

astrological principles/guidelines

vrkrishnan

--- On Wed, 9/17/08, girish_raheja <girish_raheja wrote:

girish_raheja <girish_raheja

naadi dosh

Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 1:13 AM

Dear Members,

naadidoshashch vipranam, varnadoshastu bhoobhujaam

gandoshashch vaishyesu, yonidoshashch paadjaam

eknakshatrajaataana m naadidosh vidyate,

anyarkshpativedhesh u vivahe varjitah sadaa.

This is an old classic dictum followed by tradional pundits while

matching horoscopes.

Naadi dosh is crucial in the case of Brahmins, Varna dosh is crucial

in the case of Kshatriya, gan dosh is crucial in the case of vaishya

and yoni dosh is crucial in the case of shoodras.

This means that if the bride and the groom are brahmins and have a

naadi dosh then that marriage is 'varjit'. However they can marry

after doing the parihars.Similarly if the kshatriya couple have

varna dosh then the marriage is 'varjit' and so on.

The fact that four matching area: naadi, varna, gan and yoni have

been associated with four different castes shows that these factors

are not universally applicable and instead are caste specific. Had

any one of them been an Ayurveda concept [ physiological] then it

should have been applicable across the board to all castes.

Regards,

Girish Raheja

September 17, 2008

Respected Krishnan ji,

I am not an astrologer, professional or otherwise. I am just

interested in astrology.

I agree that Naadi matching is not every thing for compatibility in

marriage. I was just placing before the group the views expressed in

the classics.

With wide spread education, horizons of knowledge and awareness

widened, most of these old concepts have either lost their meaning

or as you have said need being redifined.

I am all for redefining these rules and make them applicable to the

present times and changed conditions. By no stretch of imagination I

am an old foggy. I ain't no square.

With great regards,

Girish Raheja

, vattem krishnan

<bursar_99 wrote:

>

> Dear Shri Girish Ji,

> Most appropriate reference on the basis of classical views.while

in application process in today's society not really on the basis of

varnasram dharma.we need also to broaden classicals and apply as

relevant as on today.

> Infact Kuta in a way signifies " sum " " total " and the components of

this total are?for identifaication and classification of human

kind.This classifications covers whole lot of sheres of huamn

activities.we need to facilitate all these aspects and?apply to

build up an Institution of marraige even in changed environment.The

progression can be made by applying all these aspects broadly.

> naadi as what exists in every one is factually but in the

processing of application we infer as doshas on certain confirmed

parameters.our effort is to bring a harmonic and peaceful co

existence and build up society,ofcourse through astrological

principles/guidelines

> ?

> vrkrishnan

>

> --- On Wed, 9/17/08, girish_raheja <girish_raheja wrote:

>

> girish_raheja <girish_raheja

> naadi dosh

>

> Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 1:13 AM

Dear Members,

>

> naadidoshashch vipranam, varnadoshastu bhoobhujaam

> gandoshashch vaishyesu, yonidoshashch paadjaam

> eknakshatrajaataana m naadidosh vidyate,

> anyarkshpativedhesh u vivahe varjitah sadaa.

>

> This is an old classic dictum followed by tradional pundits while

> matching horoscopes.

>

> Naadi dosh is crucial in the case of Brahmins, Varna dosh is

crucial

> in the case of Kshatriya, gan dosh is crucial in the case of

vaishya

> and yoni dosh is crucial in the case of shoodras.

>

> This means that if the bride and the groom are brahmins and have a

> naadi dosh then that marriage is 'varjit'. However they can marry

> after doing the parihars.Similarly if the kshatriya couple have

> varna dosh then the marriage is 'varjit' and so on.

>

> The fact that four matching area: naadi, varna, gan and yoni have

> been associated with four different castes shows that these

factors

> are not universally applicable and instead are caste specific. Had

> any one of them been an Ayurveda concept [ physiological] then it

> should have been applicable across the board to all castes.

>

> Regards,

>

> Girish Raheja

>

September 17, 2008

Dear Shri Girish Ji,

You hav put very lucidly the role of Astrology and what it was really as per

classicals and also the need to expand as per present day requirements.In the

group we get lot of queries with reference to what had been informed /conveyed

by other Astrologers.Some of these views appears to have been considered in a

limited scope.I for one who feels lot of scope for freewill in Astrology.I may

not be really correct and might also be not in tune with others in this

regard.yet I feel trial that matters without loosing heart.In this direction If

Astrology can guide it is of immense help to th society where growing concern

for insecurity can orioerly addressd.

Thanks for your clarification.Hope Iam not misunderstood.Let me also add that in

no way I can become a professional Astrologer nor I have built such kind of

ambition in life.ofcourse I ws involved with the subject sincerely from the time

Astrology was considered for courses in university education

regards

vrkrishnan

--- On Wed, 9/17/08, girish_raheja <girish_raheja wrote:

girish_raheja <girish_raheja

Re: naadi dosh

Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 3:03 AM

Respected Krishnan ji,

I am not an astrologer, professional or otherwise. I am just

interested in astrology.

I agree that Naadi matching is not every thing for compatibility in

marriage. I was just placing before the group the views expressed in

the classics.

With wide spread education, horizons of knowledge and awareness

widened, most of these old concepts have either lost their meaning

or as you have said need being redifined.

I am all for redefining these rules and make them applicable to the

present times and changed conditions. By no stretch of imagination I

am an old foggy. I ain't no square.

With great regards,

Girish Raheja

, vattem krishnan

<bursar_99@. ..> wrote:

>

> Dear Shri Girish Ji,

> Most appropriate reference on the basis of classical views.while

in application process in today's society not really on the basis of

varnasram dharma.we need also to broaden classicals and apply as

relevant as on today.

> Infact Kuta in a way signifies " sum " " total " and the components of

this total are?for identifaication and classification of human

kind.This classifications covers whole lot of sheres of huamn

activities.we need to facilitate all these aspects and?apply to

build up an Institution of marraige even in changed environment. The

progression can be made by applying all these aspects broadly.

> naadi as what exists in every one is factually but in the

processing of application we infer as doshas on certain confirmed

parameters.our effort is to bring a harmonic and peaceful co

existence and build up society,ofcourse through astrological

principles/guidelin es

> ?

> vrkrishnan

>

> --- On Wed, 9/17/08, girish_raheja <girish_raheja@ ...> wrote:

>

> girish_raheja <girish_raheja@ ...>

> naadi dosh

>

> Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 1:13 AM

Dear Members,

>

> naadidoshashch vipranam, varnadoshastu bhoobhujaam

> gandoshashch vaishyesu, yonidoshashch paadjaam

> eknakshatrajaataana m naadidosh vidyate,

> anyarkshpativedhesh u vivahe varjitah sadaa.

>

> This is an old classic dictum followed by tradional pundits while

> matching horoscopes.

>

> Naadi dosh is crucial in the case of Brahmins, Varna dosh is

crucial

> in the case of Kshatriya, gan dosh is crucial in the case of

vaishya

> and yoni dosh is crucial in the case of shoodras.

>

> This means that if the bride and the groom are brahmins and have a

> naadi dosh then that marriage is 'varjit'. However they can marry

> after doing the parihars.Similarly if the kshatriya couple have

> varna dosh then the marriage is 'varjit' and so on.

>

> The fact that four matching area: naadi, varna, gan and yoni have

> been associated with four different castes shows that these

factors

> are not universally applicable and instead are caste specific. Had

> any one of them been an Ayurveda concept [ physiological] then it

> should have been applicable across the board to all castes.

>

> Regards,

>

> Girish Raheja

>

September 17, 2008

Sirs,

Sri Vettem Krishnan is a very knowledgeable person in Astrology. Lot of

interesting, as well as educative, inputs are from him in this Forum.

Modern concepts in any field is grown out of old theories and old data and

analysis are still valid. Of course, they are tested doctrines, while

'improvements' brought by many learned Pundits in the field in modern times are

still in the process of testing and analysis.

A.V.Pathi,

Astrologer

103, Black Tie Lane, Chapel Hill,

North Carolina, 27514, USA

vattem krishnan <bursar_99

Wednesday, September 17, 2008 8:05:18 AM

Re: naadi dosh

Dear Shri Girish Ji,

You hav put very lucidly the role of Astrology and what it was really as per

classicals and also the need to expand as per present day requirements. In the

group we get lot of queries with reference to what had been informed /conveyed

by other Astrologers. Some of these views appears to have been considered in a

limited scope.I for one who feels lot of scope for freewill in Astrology.I may

not be really correct and might also be not in tune with others in this

regard.yet I feel trial that matters without loosing heart.In this direction If

Astrology can guide it is of immense help to th society where growing concern

for insecurity can orioerly addressd.

Thanks for your clarification. Hope Iam not misunderstood. Let me also add that

in no way I can become a professional Astrologer nor I have built such kind of

ambition in life.ofcourse I ws involved with the subject sincerely from the time

Astrology was considered for courses in university education

regards

vrkrishnan

--- On Wed, 9/17/08, girish_raheja <girish_raheja@ .co. in> wrote:

girish_raheja <girish_raheja@ .co. in>

Re: naadi dosh

Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 3:03 AM

Respected Krishnan ji,

I am not an astrologer, professional or otherwise. I am just

interested in astrology.

I agree that Naadi matching is not every thing for compatibility in

marriage. I was just placing before the group the views expressed in

the classics.

With wide spread education, horizons of knowledge and awareness

widened, most of these old concepts have either lost their meaning

or as you have said need being redifined.

I am all for redefining these rules and make them applicable to the

present times and changed conditions. By no stretch of imagination I

am an old foggy. I ain't no square.

With great regards,

Girish Raheja

, vattem krishnan

<bursar_99@. ..> wrote:

>

> Dear Shri Girish Ji,

> Most appropriate reference on the basis of classical views.while

in application process in today's society not really on the basis of

varnasram dharma.we need also to broaden classicals and apply as

relevant as on today.

> Infact Kuta in a way signifies " sum " " total " and the components of

this total are?for identifaication and classification of human

kind.This classifications covers whole lot of sheres of huamn

activities.we need to facilitate all these aspects and?apply to

build up an Institution of marraige even in changed environment. The

progression can be made by applying all these aspects broadly.

> naadi as what exists in every one is factually but in the

processing of application we infer as doshas on certain confirmed

parameters.our effort is to bring a harmonic and peaceful co

existence and build up society,ofcourse through astrological

principles/guidelin es

> ?

> vrkrishnan

>

> --- On Wed, 9/17/08, girish_raheja <girish_raheja@ ...> wrote:

>

> girish_raheja <girish_raheja@ ...>

> naadi dosh

>

> Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 1:13 AM

Dear Members,

>

> naadidoshashch vipranam, varnadoshastu bhoobhujaam

> gandoshashch vaishyesu, yonidoshashch paadjaam

> eknakshatrajaataana m naadidosh vidyate,

> anyarkshpativedhesh u vivahe varjitah sadaa.

>

> This is an old classic dictum followed by tradional pundits while

> matching horoscopes.

>

> Naadi dosh is crucial in the case of Brahmins, Varna dosh is

crucial

> in the case of Kshatriya, gan dosh is crucial in the case of

vaishya

> and yoni dosh is crucial in the case of shoodras.

>

> This means that if the bride and the groom are brahmins and have a

> naadi dosh then that marriage is 'varjit'. However they can marry

> after doing the parihars.Similarly if the kshatriya couple have

> varna dosh then the marriage is 'varjit' and so on.

>

> The fact that four matching area: naadi, varna, gan and yoni have

> been associated with four different castes shows that these

factors

> are not universally applicable and instead are caste specific. Had

> any one of them been an Ayurveda concept [ physiological] then it

> should have been applicable across the board to all castes.

>

> Regards,

>

> Girish Raheja

>

September 17, 2008

Hare rama krishna

dear pathi ji ,

i am answering u but it is not for u .

the problem here is too much depending on sankrit shlokas ,any one with

some bent of sanskrit can make a shloka and then future generation can

suffer on it by dog fights which happened here ,the problem is lack of

real scientific bent of mind .even if based on varna do u think is they

r aliens and with no life science appliable but the secret is they shud

wait or i cant disclose .

but a person well devlped in basics cn know what is it and what to adopt

..

even the shola quoted is very against the essence of religion which is

very basis of astrology .even very much agaisnt of astrology ,but fools

prefer to be fools and some fools want me to quote my studies ,if they

dont understand basic ,who am i to illuminate this fools who in the

pretext of harassing wanted to know technics .

as religion dont support some one can born as a caste as there is not

caste in vedas .

if some one coming for street dog fight with me refer geetha .All street

dogs can refer geetha on it .search wat is varna then wat is caste .

all street dogs who fvr their pet theories shud think tht astrology then

become a limited subjuct to only india( that also caste india ) and no

use in other countries or even in india generaly where we hav even

adivasi states .

also think then u can classify almost all rishi munis also as some

sheduled castes .

still i proove right without proving myself

sorry for i hav to b blunt

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

ps --there is some ppl who wnted to learn by shouting or squessing or

guerilla methods ,that is why i holding back real essence as it is very

much against this astrology and guru paramapara

till then show real color of breeding .

, venkatachala pathi

<pathiav wrote:

>

> Sirs,

> Sri Vettem Krishnan is a very knowledgeable person in Astrology. Lot

of interesting, as well as educative, inputs are from him in this Forum.

> Modern concepts in any field is grown out of old theories and old data

and analysis are still valid. Of course, they are tested doctrines,

while 'improvements' brought by many learned Pundits in the field in

modern times are still in the process of testing and analysis.

>

> A.V.Pathi,

> Astrologer

> 103, Black Tie Lane, Chapel Hill,

> North Carolina, 27514, USA

>

September 17, 2008

dear grp

why stopped ,did u prove sunil nair is wrong ?? continue abuse

prove it ,i challenged it .

regrds sunil nair

, " sunil nair "

<astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

> Hare rama krishna

>

> dear pathi ji ,

>

> i am answering u but it is not for u .

>

> the problem here is too much depending on sankrit shlokas ,any one

with

> some bent of sanskrit can make a shloka and then future generation can

> suffer on it by dog fights which happened here ,the problem is lack of

> real scientific bent of mind .even if based on varna do u think is

they

> r aliens and with no life science appliable but the secret is they

shud

> wait or i cant disclose .

>

> but a person well devlped in basics cn know what is it and what to

adopt

> .

>

> even the shola quoted is very against the essence of religion which is

> very basis of astrology .even very much agaisnt of astrology ,but

fools

> prefer to be fools and some fools want me to quote my studies ,if they

> dont understand basic ,who am i to illuminate this fools who in the

> pretext of harassing wanted to know technics .

>

> as religion dont support some one can born as a caste as there is not

> caste in vedas .

>

> if some one coming for street dog fight with me refer geetha .All

street

> dogs can refer geetha on it .search wat is varna then wat is caste .

>

> all street dogs who fvr their pet theories shud think tht astrology

then

> become a limited subjuct to only india( that also caste india ) and no

> use in other countries or even in india generaly where we hav even

> adivasi states .

>

> also think then u can classify almost all rishi munis also as some

> sheduled castes .

>

> still i proove right without proving myself

>

> sorry for i hav to b blunt

>

> regrds sunil nair

>

> om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

>

> ps --there is some ppl who wnted to learn by shouting or squessing or

> guerilla methods ,that is why i holding back real essence as it is

very

> much against this astrology and guru paramapara

>

> till then show real color of breeding .

>

> , venkatachala pathi

> pathiav@ wrote:

> >

> > Sirs,

> > Sri Vettem Krishnan is a very knowledgeable person in Astrology. Lot

> of interesting, as well as educative, inputs are from him in this

Forum.

> > Modern concepts in any field is grown out of old theories and old

data

> and analysis are still valid. Of course, they are tested doctrines,

> while 'improvements' brought by many learned Pundits in the field in

> modern times are still in the process of testing and analysis.

> >

> > A.V.Pathi,

> > Astrologer

> > 103, Black Tie Lane, Chapel Hill,

> > North Carolina, 27514, USA

> >

>

September 17, 2008

Dear Sunil Nair ji,

It is long time since I received a note from you. There is no doubt that you

are the most recognized astrologer in the field for a long time. Your

contributions to educate the members in forums is most valuable, relevant to

this day and life.

I have been studying on Naadi Dosh for some days now, the views from various

members. Some of them are sheer non sense, to say the least, without any strong

fundamental rules to even explain. Well ! We live among them too ! By

correcting them with proof will not make them realize that they were wrong. We

cannot pick and through all the stones away on the highway, before we drive our

car. Stones will be there; and, we should drive the car ! We have no time to

correct them.

However, you cannot be silent when you know that grave injustice is done by

giving wrong interpretations to basic rules. Please continue your inputs. At

least, many like me, learn more which are in 'shelfs', from you, sir.

Blessings and regards,

A.V.Pathi,

sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala

Wednesday, September 17, 2008 12:33:25 PM

Re: naadi dosh

Hare rama krishna

dear pathi ji ,

i am answering u but it is not for u .

the problem here is too much depending on sankrit shlokas ,any one with

some bent of sanskrit can make a shloka and then future generation can

suffer on it by dog fights which happened here ,the problem is lack of

real scientific bent of mind .even if based on varna do u think is they

r aliens and with no life science appliable but the secret is they shud

wait or i cant disclose .

but a person well devlped in basics cn know what is it and what to adopt

..

even the shola quoted is very against the essence of religion which is

very basis of astrology .even very much agaisnt of astrology ,but fools

prefer to be fools and some fools want me to quote my studies ,if they

dont understand basic ,who am i to illuminate this fools who in the

pretext of harassing wanted to know technics .

as religion dont support some one can born as a caste as there is not

caste in vedas .

if some one coming for street dog fight with me refer geetha .All street

dogs can refer geetha on it .search wat is varna then wat is caste .

all street dogs who fvr their pet theories shud think tht astrology then

become a limited subjuct to only india( that also caste india ) and no

use in other countries or even in india generaly where we hav even

adivasi states .

also think then u can classify almost all rishi munis also as some

sheduled castes .

still i proove right without proving myself

sorry for i hav to b blunt

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

ps --there is some ppl who wnted to learn by shouting or squessing or

guerilla methods ,that is why i holding back real essence as it is very

much against this astrology and guru paramapara

till then show real color of breeding .

, venkatachala pathi

<pathiav > wrote:

>

> Sirs,

> Sri Vettem Krishnan is a very knowledgeable person in Astrology. Lot

of interesting, as well as educative, inputs are from him in this Forum.

> Modern concepts in any field is grown out of old theories and old data

and analysis are still valid. Of course, they are tested doctrines,

while 'improvements' brought by many learned Pundits in the field in

modern times are still in the process of testing and analysis.

>

> A.V.Pathi,

> Astrologer

> 103, Black Tie Lane, Chapel Hill,

> North Carolina, 27514, USA

>

September 17, 2008

hare rama krishna

dear respected pathi ji

since u r most eldest and exprnced astrologer among us and that also

who realy gone tru real practical appliacation in life of almost all

astro principles and has been official of many world famous astro

organisation in UK and US ,so u know with open mind what i am saying

and i value 100 times ur views as u hav given ur expertise of hindu

astrology to world at large tru ur lectures and even presentations ,even

some one told me u hav done many seminars in even arab countries .

so i value ur opinions and i feel i am blessd .

also i got many mails in prvt to stop talking to this ppl too

,but i know u use less harmful language when u present a view of u .i

realy appreciate it .

thank u sir ,thank u

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah

, venkatachala pathi

<pathiav wrote:

>

> Dear Sunil Nair ji,

>

> It is long time since I received a note from you. There is no doubt

that you are the most recognized astrologer in the field for a long

time. Your contributions to educate the members in forums is most

valuable, relevant to this day and life.

>

> I have been studying on Naadi Dosh for some days now, the views from

various members. Some of them are sheer non sense, to say the least,

without any strong fundamental rules to even explain. Well ! We live

among them too ! By correcting them with proof will not make them

realize that they were wrong. We cannot pick and through all the stones

away on the highway, before we drive our car. Stones will be there;

and, we should drive the car ! We have no time to correct them.

>

> However, you cannot be silent when you know that grave injustice is

done by giving wrong interpretations to basic rules. Please continue

your inputs. At least, many like me, learn more which are in 'shelfs',

from you, sir.

>

> Blessings and regards,

>

> A.V.Pathi,

>

> sunil nair astro_tellerkerala

>

> Wednesday, September 17, 2008 12:33:25 PM

> Re: naadi dosh

>

> Hare rama krishna

>

> dear pathi ji ,

>

> i am answering u but it is not for u .

>

> the problem here is too much depending on sankrit shlokas ,any one

with

> some bent of sanskrit can make a shloka and then future generation can

> suffer on it by dog fights which happened here ,the problem is lack of

> real scientific bent of mind .even if based on varna do u think is

they

> r aliens and with no life science appliable but the secret is they

shud

> wait or i cant disclose .

>

> but a person well devlped in basics cn know what is it and what to

adopt

> .

>

> even the shola quoted is very against the essence of religion which is

> very basis of astrology .even very much agaisnt of astrology ,but

fools

> prefer to be fools and some fools want me to quote my studies ,if they

> dont understand basic ,who am i to illuminate this fools who in the

> pretext of harassing wanted to know technics .

>

> as religion dont support some one can born as a caste as there is not

> caste in vedas .

>

> if some one coming for street dog fight with me refer geetha .All

street

> dogs can refer geetha on it .search wat is varna then wat is caste .

>

> all street dogs who fvr their pet theories shud think tht astrology

then

> become a limited subjuct to only india( that also caste india ) and no

> use in other countries or even in india generaly where we hav even

> adivasi states .

>

> also think then u can classify almost all rishi munis also as some

> sheduled castes .

>

> still i proove right without proving myself

>

> sorry for i hav to b blunt

>

> regrds sunil nair

>

> om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

>

> ps --there is some ppl who wnted to learn by shouting or squessing or

> guerilla methods ,that is why i holding back real essence as it is

very

> much against this astrology and guru paramapara

>

> till then show real color of breeding .

>

September 17, 2008

Dear Mr. Prashant ji,

I trust you would agree that these principle is also applicable to all

those who plagarize others without their own home work. We recently

heard someone getting two increments plus two promotions within

2-months, is it possible in any company, if true, such person(s) should

provide proof of the same. Again, gone are the days when one could

say it was a real windfall- {chappar phadke deyta hai - goes the hindi

phrase}.... some one walking to you and giving you Rs.50,000 out of blue

can only be case of someone being chased by Police, wanting to hide the

money or mislead the Police { illegal money}... ... valid particularly

when 8H is not involved in the dasha ...etc..

I strongly support that every member who posts his messages in this

group should go through a grilling process to answer all queries.....

only the successful ones to be applauded, rest akin to fakes should be

restricted.....

With regards,

Sreeram_Srinivas

September 17, 2008

Dear Members,

Can we condemn our classics simply because they talk of Varna which

may not be palatable today because of our political compulsions.

Classics have classified even the zodiac signs according to Varna

Aires > Kshatriya

Taurus > Vaishya

Gemini > Shoodra

Cancer > Vipra

The sequence follows in the same order.

At least I can not dump the classics. I would rather redefine the

Varna as respected Prashant Kumar ji has done in his earlier message

then deny the existence of Varna altogether.

Regards,

Girish Raheja

, " sunil nair "

<astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

> Hare rama krishna

>

> dear pathi ji ,

>

> i am answering u but it is not for u .

>

> the problem here is too much depending on sankrit shlokas ,any one

with

> some bent of sanskrit can make a shloka and then future generation

can

> suffer on it by dog fights which happened here ,the problem is

lack of

> real scientific bent of mind .even if based on varna do u think is

they

> r aliens and with no life science appliable but the secret is they

shud

> wait or i cant disclose .

>

> but a person well devlped in basics cn know what is it and what to

adopt

> .

>

> even the shola quoted is very against the essence of religion

which is

> very basis of astrology .even very much agaisnt of astrology ,but

fools

> prefer to be fools and some fools want me to quote my studies ,if

they

> dont understand basic ,who am i to illuminate this fools who in the

> pretext of harassing wanted to know technics .

>

> as religion dont support some one can born as a caste as there is

not

> caste in vedas .

>

> if some one coming for street dog fight with me refer geetha .All

street

> dogs can refer geetha on it .search wat is varna then wat is

caste .

>

> all street dogs who fvr their pet theories shud think tht

astrology then

> become a limited subjuct to only india( that also caste india )

and no

> use in other countries or even in india generaly where we hav even

> adivasi states .

>

> also think then u can classify almost all rishi munis also as some

> sheduled castes .

>

> still i proove right without proving myself

>

> sorry for i hav to b blunt

>

> regrds sunil nair

>

> om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

>

> ps --there is some ppl who wnted to learn by shouting or

squessing or

> guerilla methods ,that is why i holding back real essence as it is

very

> much against this astrology and guru paramapara

>

> till then show real color of breeding .

>

> , venkatachala pathi

> <pathiav@> wrote:

> >

> > Sirs,

> > Sri Vettem Krishnan is a very knowledgeable person in

Astrology. Lot

> of interesting, as well as educative, inputs are from him in this

Forum.

> > Modern concepts in any field is grown out of old theories and

old data

> and analysis are still valid. Of course, they are tested doctrines,

> while 'improvements' brought by many learned Pundits in the field

in

> modern times are still in the process of testing and analysis.

> >

> > A.V.Pathi,

> > Astrologer

> > 103, Black Tie Lane, Chapel Hill,

> > North Carolina, 27514, USA

> >

>

September 17, 2008

girish raheja

learn more ,read more ,astrologer shud know more sastras and puranas .

varna is not cast ,it is based on guna and karma mean no one born with

it ,so it is wat prashnath ji or any one said ,it is appliable in 4 ages

..or any ages to come .

regrds sunil nair

, " girish_raheja "

<girish_raheja wrote:

>

> Dear Members,

>

> Can we condemn our classics simply because they talk of Varna which

> may not be palatable today because of our political compulsions.

>

> Classics have classified even the zodiac signs according to Varna

>

> Aires > Kshatriya

> Taurus > Vaishya

> Gemini > Shoodra

> Cancer > Vipra

>

> The sequence follows in the same order.

>

> At least I can not dump the classics. I would rather redefine the

> Varna as respected Prashant Kumar ji has done in his earlier message

> then deny the existence of Varna altogether.

>

> Regards,

>

> Girish Raheja

>

, " sunil nair "

> astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> >

> > Hare rama krishna

> >

> > dear pathi ji ,

> >

> > i am answering u but it is not for u .

> >

> > the problem here is too much depending on sankrit shlokas ,any one

> with

> > some bent of sanskrit can make a shloka and then future generation

> can

> > suffer on it by dog fights which happened here ,the problem is

> lack of

> > real scientific bent of mind .even if based on varna do u think is

> they

> > r aliens and with no life science appliable but the secret is they

> shud

> > wait or i cant disclose .

> >

> > but a person well devlped in basics cn know what is it and what to

> adopt

> > .

> >

> > even the shola quoted is very against the essence of religion

> which is

> > very basis of astrology .even very much agaisnt of astrology ,but

> fools

> > prefer to be fools and some fools want me to quote my studies ,if

> they

> > dont understand basic ,who am i to illuminate this fools who in the

> > pretext of harassing wanted to know technics .

> >

> > as religion dont support some one can born as a caste as there is

> not

> > caste in vedas .

> >

> > if some one coming for street dog fight with me refer geetha .All

> street

> > dogs can refer geetha on it .search wat is varna then wat is

> caste .

> >

> > all street dogs who fvr their pet theories shud think tht

> astrology then

> > become a limited subjuct to only india( that also caste india )

> and no

> > use in other countries or even in india generaly where we hav even

> > adivasi states .

> >

> > also think then u can classify almost all rishi munis also as some

> > sheduled castes .

> >

> > still i proove right without proving myself

> >

> > sorry for i hav to b blunt

> >

> > regrds sunil nair

> >

> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

> >

> > ps --there is some ppl who wnted to learn by shouting or

> squessing or

> > guerilla methods ,that is why i holding back real essence as it is

> very

> > much against this astrology and guru paramapara

> >

> > till then show real color of breeding .

> >

> > , venkatachala pathi

> > <pathiav@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Sirs,

> > > Sri Vettem Krishnan is a very knowledgeable person in

> Astrology. Lot

> > of interesting, as well as educative, inputs are from him in this

> Forum.

> > > Modern concepts in any field is grown out of old theories and

> old data

> > and analysis are still valid. Of course, they are tested doctrines,

> > while 'improvements' brought by many learned Pundits in the field

> in

> > modern times are still in the process of testing and analysis.

> > >

> > > A.V.Pathi,

> > > Astrologer

> > > 103, Black Tie Lane, Chapel Hill,

> > > North Carolina, 27514, USA

>

September 17, 2008

And it is not political compulsion which u all wanted to hide behind

it,it is religious doctrine which is explained in geetha essense of

vedas and upanishads and very basis of advaitha .

, " sunil nair "

<astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

> girish raheja

>

> learn more ,read more ,astrologer shud know more sastras and puranas .

>

> varna is not cast ,it is based on guna and karma mean no one born with

> it ,so it is wat prashnath ji or any one said ,it is appliable in 4

ages

> .or any ages to come .

>

> regrds sunil nair

>

> , " girish_raheja "

> girish_raheja@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Members,

> >

> > Can we condemn our classics simply because they talk of Varna which

> > may not be palatable today because of our political compulsions.

> >

> > Classics have classified even the zodiac signs according to Varna

> >

> > Aires > Kshatriya

> > Taurus > Vaishya

> > Gemini > Shoodra

> > Cancer > Vipra

> >

> > The sequence follows in the same order.

> >

> > At least I can not dump the classics. I would rather redefine the

> > Varna as respected Prashant Kumar ji has done in his earlier message

> > then deny the existence of Varna altogether.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Girish Raheja

> >

> > , " sunil nair "

> > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Hare rama krishna

> > >

> > > dear pathi ji ,

> > >

> > > i am answering u but it is not for u .

> > >

> > > the problem here is too much depending on sankrit shlokas ,any one

> > with

> > > some bent of sanskrit can make a shloka and then future generation

> > can

> > > suffer on it by dog fights which happened here ,the problem is

> > lack of

> > > real scientific bent of mind .even if based on varna do u think is

> > they

> > > r aliens and with no life science appliable but the secret is they

> > shud

> > > wait or i cant disclose .

> > >

> > > but a person well devlped in basics cn know what is it and what to

> > adopt

> > > .

> > >

> > > even the shola quoted is very against the essence of religion

> > which is

> > > very basis of astrology .even very much agaisnt of astrology ,but

> > fools

> > > prefer to be fools and some fools want me to quote my studies ,if

> > they

> > > dont understand basic ,who am i to illuminate this fools who in

the

> > > pretext of harassing wanted to know technics .

> > >

> > > as religion dont support some one can born as a caste as there is

> > not

> > > caste in vedas .

> > >

> > > if some one coming for street dog fight with me refer geetha .All

> > street

> > > dogs can refer geetha on it .search wat is varna then wat is

> > caste .

> > >

> > > all street dogs who fvr their pet theories shud think tht

> > astrology then

> > > become a limited subjuct to only india( that also caste india )

> > and no

> > > use in other countries or even in india generaly where we hav even

> > > adivasi states .

> > >

> > > also think then u can classify almost all rishi munis also as some

> > > sheduled castes .

> > >

> > > still i proove right without proving myself

> > >

> > > sorry for i hav to b blunt

> > >

> > > regrds sunil nair

> > >

> > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

> > >

> > > ps --there is some ppl who wnted to learn by shouting or

> > squessing or

> > > guerilla methods ,that is why i holding back real essence as it is

> > very

> > > much against this astrology and guru paramapara

> > >

> > > till then show real color of breeding .

> > >

> > > , venkatachala pathi

> > > <pathiav@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Sirs,

> > > > Sri Vettem Krishnan is a very knowledgeable person in

> > Astrology. Lot

> > > of interesting, as well as educative, inputs are from him in this

> > Forum.

> > > > Modern concepts in any field is grown out of old theories and

> > old data

> > > and analysis are still valid. Of course, they are tested

doctrines,

> > > while 'improvements' brought by many learned Pundits in the field

> > in

> > > modern times are still in the process of testing and analysis.

> > > >

> > > > A.V.Pathi,

> > > > Astrologer

> > > > 103, Black Tie Lane, Chapel Hill,

> > > > North Carolina, 27514, USA

> >

>

September 17, 2008

Dear Girish,

a good rejoinder

yes wee have to adapt to our times I tried a simple model just at that

instinctive moment and as said we had varnaashram based more on karma-livelihood

so we can take the cue from there

r v not predicitng diff professions for diff people out of their caste path

most brahmins become baniyas, attenders, salesmen

the most dominant caste now is commerece a v wide basket like what kshatrayas

used to be in the past in all civilisations

[s o again not limiting to hindu view-histry is full of feudal structures by

diff names]

I hope RRji, krishna ji, Balaalso say something on my extension of karam to

varnashram

after all it is livelihood based rest r temp walls

prashant

girish_raheja <girish_raheja

Thursday, September 18, 2008 12:16:06 AM

Re: naadi dosh

Dear Members,

Can we condemn our classics simply because they talk of Varna which

may not be palatable today because of our political compulsions.

Classics have classified even the zodiac signs according to Varna

Aires > Kshatriya

Taurus > Vaishya

Gemini > Shoodra

Cancer > Vipra

The sequence follows in the same order.

At least I can not dump the classics. I would rather redefine the

Varna as respected Prashant Kumar ji has done in his earlier message

then deny the existence of Varna altogether.

Regards,

Girish Raheja

, " sunil nair "

<astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

> Hare rama krishna

>

> dear pathi ji ,

>

> i am answering u but it is not for u .

>

> the problem here is too much depending on sankrit shlokas ,any one

with

> some bent of sanskrit can make a shloka and then future generation

can

> suffer on it by dog fights which happened here ,the problem is

lack of

> real scientific bent of mind .even if based on varna do u think is

they

> r aliens and with no life science appliable but the secret is they

shud

> wait or i cant disclose .

>

> but a person well devlped in basics cn know what is it and what to

adopt

> .

>

> even the shola quoted is very against the essence of religion

which is

> very basis of astrology .even very much agaisnt of astrology ,but

fools

> prefer to be fools and some fools want me to quote my studies ,if

they

> dont understand basic ,who am i to illuminate this fools who in the

> pretext of harassing wanted to know technics .

>

> as religion dont support some one can born as a caste as there is

not

> caste in vedas .

>

> if some one coming for street dog fight with me refer geetha .All

street

> dogs can refer geetha on it .search wat is varna then wat is

caste .

>

> all street dogs who fvr their pet theories shud think tht

astrology then

> become a limited subjuct to only india( that also caste india )

and no

> use in other countries or even in india generaly where we hav even

> adivasi states .

>

> also think then u can classify almost all rishi munis also as some

> sheduled castes .

>

> still i proove right without proving myself

>

> sorry for i hav to b blunt

>

> regrds sunil nair

>

> om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

>

> ps --there is some ppl who wnted to learn by shouting or

squessing or

> guerilla methods ,that is why i holding back real essence as it is

very

> much against this astrology and guru paramapara

>

> till then show real color of breeding .

>

> , venkatachala pathi

> <pathiav@> wrote:

> >

> > Sirs,

> > Sri Vettem Krishnan is a very knowledgeable person in

Astrology. Lot

> of interesting, as well as educative, inputs are from him in this

Forum.

> > Modern concepts in any field is grown out of old theories and

old data

> and analysis are still valid. Of course, they are tested doctrines,

> while 'improvements' brought by many learned Pundits in the field

in

> modern times are still in the process of testing and analysis.

> >

> > A.V.Pathi,

> > Astrologer

> > 103, Black Tie Lane, Chapel Hill,

> > North Carolina, 27514, USA

> >

>

September 18, 2008

Sunil Nair

I never addressed my message to you. You are off my list

Girish Raheja

, " sunil nair "

<astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

> girish raheja

>

> learn more ,read more ,astrologer shud know more sastras and

puranas .

>

> varna is not cast ,it is based on guna and karma mean no one born

with

> it ,so it is wat prashnath ji or any one said ,it is appliable in

4 ages

> .or any ages to come .

>

> regrds sunil nair

>

> , " girish_raheja "

> <girish_raheja@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Members,

> >

> > Can we condemn our classics simply because they talk of Varna

which

> > may not be palatable today because of our political compulsions.

> >

> > Classics have classified even the zodiac signs according to Varna

> >

> > Aires > Kshatriya

> > Taurus > Vaishya

> > Gemini > Shoodra

> > Cancer > Vipra

> >

> > The sequence follows in the same order.

> >

> > At least I can not dump the classics. I would rather redefine the

> > Varna as respected Prashant Kumar ji has done in his earlier

message

> > then deny the existence of Varna altogether.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Girish Raheja

> >

> > , " sunil nair "

> > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Hare rama krishna

> > >

> > > dear pathi ji ,

> > >

> > > i am answering u but it is not for u .

> > >

> > > the problem here is too much depending on sankrit shlokas ,any

one

> > with

> > > some bent of sanskrit can make a shloka and then future

generation

> > can

> > > suffer on it by dog fights which happened here ,the problem is

> > lack of

> > > real scientific bent of mind .even if based on varna do u

think is

> > they

> > > r aliens and with no life science appliable but the secret is

they

> > shud

> > > wait or i cant disclose .

> > >

> > > but a person well devlped in basics cn know what is it and

what to

> > adopt

> > > .

> > >

> > > even the shola quoted is very against the essence of religion

> > which is

> > > very basis of astrology .even very much agaisnt of

astrology ,but

> > fools

> > > prefer to be fools and some fools want me to quote my

studies ,if

> > they

> > > dont understand basic ,who am i to illuminate this fools who

in the

> > > pretext of harassing wanted to know technics .

> > >

> > > as religion dont support some one can born as a caste as there

is

> > not

> > > caste in vedas .

> > >

> > > if some one coming for street dog fight with me refer

geetha .All

> > street

> > > dogs can refer geetha on it .search wat is varna then wat is

> > caste .

> > >

> > > all street dogs who fvr their pet theories shud think tht

> > astrology then

> > > become a limited subjuct to only india( that also caste india )

> > and no

> > > use in other countries or even in india generaly where we hav

even

> > > adivasi states .

> > >

> > > also think then u can classify almost all rishi munis also as

some

> > > sheduled castes .

> > >

> > > still i proove right without proving myself

> > >

> > > sorry for i hav to b blunt

> > >

> > > regrds sunil nair

> > >

> > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

> > >

> > > ps --there is some ppl who wnted to learn by shouting or

> > squessing or

> > > guerilla methods ,that is why i holding back real essence as

it is

> > very

> > > much against this astrology and guru paramapara

> > >

> > > till then show real color of breeding .

> > >

> > > , venkatachala pathi

> > > <pathiav@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Sirs,

> > > > Sri Vettem Krishnan is a very knowledgeable person in

> > Astrology. Lot

> > > of interesting, as well as educative, inputs are from him in

this

> > Forum.

> > > > Modern concepts in any field is grown out of old theories and

> > old data

> > > and analysis are still valid. Of course, they are tested

doctrines,

> > > while 'improvements' brought by many learned Pundits in the

field

> > in

> > > modern times are still in the process of testing and analysis.

> > > >

> > > > A.V.Pathi,

> > > > Astrologer

> > > > 103, Black Tie Lane, Chapel Hill,

> > > > North Carolina, 27514, USA

> >

>

September 18, 2008

Dear Shri Pathi ji,

I just one to cite an examply by quoting an instance of Prof Varma,a known

sankrit scholar,an octogenerian.

In cas of kuja dosha,he said it could be overcome by making dana of gold to a

brahmin at the time of Gowri pooja in the case of girl(bride)

Even Classicals,basis for all of us today,have mentioned as indicationsie

likelyhood.so we in our analysis find problem have also got ways that can be

suggested.These are simple and have to be taken with faith and sincerity

No need to get worried or frightened if some issues are noticed causing concern

in any horoscope.let's not forget dasa prevailing to find what results are

likely or not

with all best wishes

vrkrishnan

--- On Wed, 9/17/08, venkatachala pathi <pathiav wrote:

venkatachala pathi <pathiav

Re: naadi dosh

Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 9:29 AM

Sirs,

Sri Vettem Krishnan is a very knowledgeable person in Astrology. Lot of

interesting, as well as educative, inputs are from him in this Forum.

Modern concepts in any field is grown out of old theories and old data and

analysis are still valid. Of course, they are tested doctrines, while

'improvements' brought by many learned Pundits in the field in modern times are

still in the process of testing and analysis.

A.V.Pathi,

Astrologer

103, Black Tie Lane, Chapel Hill,

North Carolina, 27514, USA

vattem krishnan <bursar_99 >