Guest guest Posted September 17, 2008 Report Share Posted September 17, 2008 Dear RRji, nice t o see u back, a good post, but I hope u can throw some light both fromthe traditional and neo traditional ones I certainly believed all instutions r decaying and fastest is the family structure joint families have made to nuclear ones and nuclear ones to single ones and u have a mix of in nuclear ones also some spouses sharing the spouses of either friends, colleagues or neighbors parallely with or without the other spouses knowledge for both sexes of course as working professionals have equal opportunities not only at work but life outside work as well and they may see their collegues more than their spouses and interaction>affection > relationships esp with little strings attached do happen We must see it more as a contract/lease to live together how long this one lasts compared to ur peers matter just as job loyalties have taken a backseat to career advancement so too personal shpere has moved too far, may be it either continues so or like a retrograde graha finds its route back in time, when the gravity of central force be it dharma or moral fibre or a health risk with multiple sex partners something may set the faltering path back to course. Best wishes prashant Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan Wednesday, September 17, 2008 5:14:46 AM Re: Naadi dosh 17/9 Like life itself the marital relationship (whether arising from traditional marriage or the marriages of today that may become the tradition tomorrow (speaking in years and decades etc... dont take it too literally folks!) is ideally a meeting of body, mind and soul. There are the soli-lunar factors utilized in the 8 and 10 count matchings, there are the physical factors that include the lords of relevant houses, the three sets of karakas, the bhav padas and the griha padas and the synastry between all those factors. As the times are changing so also the nature and goals and directions of marriages. Without getting judgmental, and morally pontific, astrologers can serve the community best by remaining astrologers and not becoming priests or keepers of morality. And as observers of reality and servers we would need to consider all these factors or our counsel will evaporate like a drop of water falling on a hot frying pan. The nativity will not hear or consider what we said and regardless of whether we got paid for our efforts and work or not, it was a wasted opportunity to counsel, help and steer a soul that was sent to us by the design of Karma and destiny: The nativity's and the jyotishi's! CAVEAT: The above acknowledges that Karma moves fast and perhaps superficially in some Internet readings and astrology practiced there. Rohiniranjan , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@. ..> wrote: > > Sunil > > if u can say something in depth pl do > > I don't think he said Nadi is absolute in deciding a match > > but a important one in the Kootas as such as is the max numbered one > > but I am sure Girish is not naive to say horoscope factors don't count at all and just Nadi counts no way, if u c the reply he gave to my query on exemptions partly covers it sure he will expand as the thread progresses > > and DON'T STOP here, I want u to add what u have to say too. esp give the south view point and what u have found as well > > I will only be a overseer here and interject the direction and not influence the thread wholelly and allow all of the members who can share their info here > > > kootas r just the first phase , 2nd phase will decide if the horoscope is strong enough to match and what r the balancing factors in a match as that is what a marriage is about > > so kootas alone will never be the deciding factor > > pl continue > > prashant > > > > > sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala > > Wednesday, September 17, 2008 12:08:11 AM > Naadi dosh > > > > > hare rama krishna > > dear grp > > i am stopping discussion abt nadi dosh here itself as grp is full of > self declared professers . > > how can 24 hrs duration nakshtras can b big determinant in success of > marriage ??i dont know .it is too much genaralisation and blind > adaptation of bookish knowledge and in effort ot terrrorise ppl and make > quick bucks in the name of uapayas .And it shows simple igonrence too > > i cannot teach how astrology devlped and how each indian sciences > contributed each other to a shouting grp and this science needs some > respect too. One dosha is nothing in charts and north indian method of > giving 8 marks in 36 is too much exaggerated too . > > but i cannot open my mouth as i spend yrs on it and nite oil too > .because so many secrets in astro and it needs open mind to learn too . > > atleast think moon is deha karaka and has some partial karaka of rakta > too .but chart as whole will decide all humours that can affect body . > evry seed has its own expiry date ,so it come with packet .so each seeds > will show its might while in sprouting to growth and then till it die > out .( i limit here ) ( think any difffrnt seeds and its ower and other > qualities ) > > ppl without knowing basics can open big mouth in grps which was not my > aim . > > so i retire frm this tread and u ppl continue this tread i hav no > problem > > regrds sunil nair > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah . > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2008 Report Share Posted September 17, 2008 Dear Friends, Return of Shri Rohini da with a bang and apply his thoughts on an issue like Nadi dosh is most welcoming and refreshing for person like me who always thinks of KUTA as only relating to stellar aspects without finding it's relevance in present society. Interestingly, the curiosity element of astrology has gianed so much importance that people would like " to know future " first than their initiating to action or Karmic mode. Not knowing what is likely to happen in the next moment(uncertainities),we are all worried more about future to make ourselves in tune with mind and body.Probably,we find ourself in a mode to do things " then and there " than to take advantage of the supreme power with whcih God has endowed all of us i.e intellect.with the result,we are becoming more intersted in ourselves than about others. The three humours with which humans have been created is always at the back of us is either building relationships or breaking them. Even the relationship between families has changed, with changes in society to justify nuclear families.So smaller the group less is the hardship to manage and more the confidence to deal(divide and rule).This applies to institutionalised arrangement of marriages too.The trend now for single parents and to have technological parenthood with many gadgets helping you in daily chores for single to live happily These changes happening very mechnically making all of us to deal with limited ones than go in for broad and vast arrangements. Nadi dosha is not dosha by itself when it is applied with others, it will be dosha.we have planets to support the asterisms as some as malefic or otherwise as falling under rakshsa gana and tend to go with kaph element other as benific intend to do good are different falling mostly as devatas group.where as manushya has to be balanced(?),if so why els do we have to really worry about nadi dosha. Lets have persons of same nadi to score 8 points in kuta or otherwise to have 0 and contend. This ofcourse is not what kuta suggests.of the10/8 scale we must have minimum 5/6 favourable to lead a life of togetherness(by marriage or otherwise). with humanity having been seggregated into two broad and apparent categories(mae and female) and also reconciling to the fact that one needs other for one or other purpose,kuta(matching horsocopes) will be a very useful and desirable execise,particularly in the modern society. The purpose of Astrological approach is to have balance and this is feasible by understanding cosmic forces properly.Environmental issues do paly their part.we have to learn to live and with positive frame to create(but not to destroy:catabolic). vrkrishnan --- On Tue, 9/16/08, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar Re: Naadi dosh 17/9 p2 Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 11:58 PM Dear RRji, nice t o see u back, a good post, but I hope u can throw some light both fromthe traditional and neo traditional ones I certainly believed all instutions r decaying and fastest is the family structure joint families have made to nuclear ones and nuclear ones to single ones and u have a mix of in nuclear ones also some spouses sharing the spouses of either friends, colleagues or neighbors parallely with or without the other spouses knowledge for both sexes of course as working professionals have equal opportunities not only at work but life outside work as well and they may see their collegues more than their spouses and interaction> affection > relationships esp with little strings attached do happen We must see it more as a contract/lease to live together how long this one lasts compared to ur peers matter just as job loyalties have taken a backseat to career advancement so too personal shpere has moved too far, may be it either continues so or like a retrograde graha finds its route back in time, when the gravity of central force be it dharma or moral fibre or a health risk with multiple sex partners something may set the faltering path back to course. Best wishes prashant Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> Wednesday, September 17, 2008 5:14:46 AM Re: Naadi dosh 17/9 Like life itself the marital relationship (whether arising from traditional marriage or the marriages of today that may become the tradition tomorrow (speaking in years and decades etc... dont take it too literally folks!) is ideally a meeting of body, mind and soul. There are the soli-lunar factors utilized in the 8 and 10 count matchings, there are the physical factors that include the lords of relevant houses, the three sets of karakas, the bhav padas and the griha padas and the synastry between all those factors. As the times are changing so also the nature and goals and directions of marriages. Without getting judgmental, and morally pontific, astrologers can serve the community best by remaining astrologers and not becoming priests or keepers of morality. And as observers of reality and servers we would need to consider all these factors or our counsel will evaporate like a drop of water falling on a hot frying pan. The nativity will not hear or consider what we said and regardless of whether we got paid for our efforts and work or not, it was a wasted opportunity to counsel, help and steer a soul that was sent to us by the design of Karma and destiny: The nativity's and the jyotishi's! CAVEAT: The above acknowledges that Karma moves fast and perhaps superficially in some Internet readings and astrology practiced there. Rohiniranjan , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@. ..> wrote: > > Sunil > > if u can say something in depth pl do > > I don't think he said Nadi is absolute in deciding a match > > but a important one in the Kootas as such as is the max numbered one > > but I am sure Girish is not naive to say horoscope factors don't count at all and just Nadi counts no way, if u c the reply he gave to my query on exemptions partly covers it sure he will expand as the thread progresses > > and DON'T STOP here, I want u to add what u have to say too. esp give the south view point and what u have found as well > > I will only be a overseer here and interject the direction and not influence the thread wholelly and allow all of the members who can share their info here > > > kootas r just the first phase , 2nd phase will decide if the horoscope is strong enough to match and what r the balancing factors in a match as that is what a marriage is about > > so kootas alone will never be the deciding factor > > pl continue > > prashant > > > > > sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala > > Wednesday, September 17, 2008 12:08:11 AM > Naadi dosh > > > > > hare rama krishna > > dear grp > > i am stopping discussion abt nadi dosh here itself as grp is full of > self declared professers . > > how can 24 hrs duration nakshtras can b big determinant in success of > marriage ??i dont know .it is too much genaralisation and blind > adaptation of bookish knowledge and in effort ot terrrorise ppl and make > quick bucks in the name of uapayas .And it shows simple igonrence too > > i cannot teach how astrology devlped and how each indian sciences > contributed each other to a shouting grp and this science needs some > respect too. One dosha is nothing in charts and north indian method of > giving 8 marks in 36 is too much exaggerated too . > > but i cannot open my mouth as i spend yrs on it and nite oil too > .because so many secrets in astro and it needs open mind to learn too . > > atleast think moon is deha karaka and has some partial karaka of rakta > too .but chart as whole will decide all humours that can affect body . > evry seed has its own expiry date ,so it come with packet .so each seeds > will show its might while in sprouting to growth and then till it die > out .( i limit here ) ( think any difffrnt seeds and its ower and other > qualities ) > > ppl without knowing basics can open big mouth in grps which was not my > aim . > > so i retire frm this tread and u ppl continue this tread i hav no > problem > > regrds sunil nair > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah . > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2008 Report Share Posted September 27, 2008 Kumar ji, I think humanity/human society just goes round and round in cycles just as we were told about the Yuga cycles. Even Karma theory is circular: What goes around comes around (sound better than the somewhat cruel eye for an eye description given in some ancient literature) And it varies from society to society and country to country and so on but globally it all evens out and makes sense! When I was growing up, living independently on your own away from your clan was not the norm or even unacceptable and in some families unthinkable! Then came an era when living with parents and other siblings and their families became unacceptable and unthinkable. Now I hear that even in developed countries more and more people are not leaving the parental home (some at age 30 or so even) and the " empty- nest " syndrome as psychologists used to call (children grow up leave home, the nest is empty and the parents divorce and go their separate ways and finally get to live their dreams!) is being seen less and less. Simply because the *old* fledglings are not leaving the nest! Some point fingers to economy, higher need to get more education in order to survive later on in the cruel world (hence continuing to live at home while in school), lazy kids with lesser initiative than was the norm in oldy goldy days " Hamaare Samay main to ...! " . I think it is more sinister than that ... Karma is stepping in! RR , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: > > Dear RRji, > > nice t o see u back, a good post, but I hope u can throw some light both fromthe traditional and neo traditional ones > > I certainly believed all instutions r decaying and fastest is the family structure > > joint families have made to nuclear ones and nuclear ones to single ones > and u have a mix of in nuclear ones also some spouses sharing the spouses of either friends, colleagues or neighbors parallely with or without the other spouses knowledge for both sexes of course as working professionals have equal opportunities not only at work but life outside work as well and they may see their collegues more than their spouses and interaction>affection > relationships esp with little strings attached do happen > > We must see it more as a contract/lease to live together how long this one lasts compared to ur peers matter just as job loyalties have taken a backseat to career advancement so too personal shpere has moved too far, may be it either continues so or like a retrograde graha finds its route back in time, when the gravity of central force be it dharma or moral fibre or a health risk with multiple sex partners something may set the faltering path back to course. > > Best wishes > > prashant > > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan > > Wednesday, September 17, 2008 5:14:46 AM > Re: Naadi dosh 17/9 > > > Like life itself the marital relationship (whether arising from > traditional marriage or the marriages of today that may become the > tradition tomorrow (speaking in years and decades etc... dont take it > too literally folks!) is ideally a meeting of body, mind and soul. > > There are the soli-lunar factors utilized in the 8 and 10 count > matchings, there are the physical factors that include the lords of > relevant houses, the three sets of karakas, the bhav padas and the > griha padas and the synastry between all those factors. > > As the times are changing so also the nature and goals and directions > of marriages. Without getting judgmental, and morally pontific, > astrologers can serve the community best by remaining astrologers and > not becoming priests or keepers of morality. And as observers of > reality and servers we would need to consider all these factors or > our counsel will evaporate like a drop of water falling on a hot > frying pan. The nativity will not hear or consider what we said and > regardless of whether we got paid for our efforts and work or not, it > was a wasted opportunity to counsel, help and steer a soul that was > sent to us by the design of Karma and destiny: The nativity's and the > jyotishi's! > > CAVEAT: The above acknowledges that Karma moves fast and perhaps > superficially in some Internet readings and astrology practiced there. > > Rohiniranjan > > , Prashant Kumar G B > <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > Sunil > > > > if u can say something in depth pl do > > > > I don't think he said Nadi is absolute in deciding a match > > > > but a important one in the Kootas as such as is the max numbered one > > > > but I am sure Girish is not naive to say horoscope factors don't > count at all and just Nadi counts no way, if u c the reply he gave to > my query on exemptions partly covers it sure he will expand as the > thread progresses > > > > and DON'T STOP here, I want u to add what u have to say too. esp > give the south view point and what u have found as well > > > > I will only be a overseer here and interject the direction and not > influence the thread wholelly and allow all of the members who can > share their info here > > > > > > kootas r just the first phase , 2nd phase will decide if the > horoscope is strong enough to match and what r the balancing factors > in a match as that is what a marriage is about > > > > so kootas alone will never be the deciding factor > > > > pl continue > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala > > > > Wednesday, September 17, 2008 12:08:11 AM > > Naadi dosh > > > > > > > > > > hare rama krishna > > > > dear grp > > > > i am stopping discussion abt nadi dosh here itself as grp is full of > > self declared professers . > > > > how can 24 hrs duration nakshtras can b big determinant in success > of > > marriage ??i dont know .it is too much genaralisation and blind > > adaptation of bookish knowledge and in effort ot terrrorise ppl and > make > > quick bucks in the name of uapayas .And it shows simple igonrence > too > > > > i cannot teach how astrology devlped and how each indian sciences > > contributed each other to a shouting grp and this science needs some > > respect too. One dosha is nothing in charts and north indian method > of > > giving 8 marks in 36 is too much exaggerated too . > > > > but i cannot open my mouth as i spend yrs on it and nite oil too > > .because so many secrets in astro and it needs open mind to learn > too . > > > > atleast think moon is deha karaka and has some partial karaka of > rakta > > too .but chart as whole will decide all humours that can affect > body . > > evry seed has its own expiry date ,so it come with packet .so each > seeds > > will show its might while in sprouting to growth and then till it > die > > out .( i limit here ) ( think any difffrnt seeds and its ower and > other > > qualities ) > > > > ppl without knowing basics can open big mouth in grps which was not > my > > aim . > > > > so i retire frm this tread and u ppl continue this tread i hav no > > problem > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah . > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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