Guest guest Posted September 16, 2008 Report Share Posted September 16, 2008 Sunil if u can say something in depth pl do I don't think he said Nadi is absolute in deciding a match but a important one in the Kootas as such as is the max numbered one but I am sure Girish is not naive to say horoscope factors don't count at all and just Nadi counts no way, if u c the reply he gave to my query on exemptions partly covers it sure he will expand as the thread progresses and DON'T STOP here, I want u to add what u have to say too. esp give the south view point and what u have found as well I will only be a overseer here and interject the direction and not influence the thread wholelly and allow all of the members who can share their info here kootas r just the first phase , 2nd phase will decide if the horoscope is strong enough to match and what r the balancing factors in a match as that is what a marriage is about so kootas alone will never be the deciding factor pl continue prashant sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala Wednesday, September 17, 2008 12:08:11 AM Naadi dosh hare rama krishna dear grp i am stopping discussion abt nadi dosh here itself as grp is full of self declared professers . how can 24 hrs duration nakshtras can b big determinant in success of marriage ??i dont know .it is too much genaralisation and blind adaptation of bookish knowledge and in effort ot terrrorise ppl and make quick bucks in the name of uapayas .And it shows simple igonrence too i cannot teach how astrology devlped and how each indian sciences contributed each other to a shouting grp and this science needs some respect too. One dosha is nothing in charts and north indian method of giving 8 marks in 36 is too much exaggerated too . but i cannot open my mouth as i spend yrs on it and nite oil too ..because so many secrets in astro and it needs open mind to learn too . atleast think moon is deha karaka and has some partial karaka of rakta too .but chart as whole will decide all humours that can affect body . evry seed has its own expiry date ,so it come with packet .so each seeds will show its might while in sprouting to growth and then till it die out .( i limit here ) ( think any difffrnt seeds and its ower and other qualities ) ppl without knowing basics can open big mouth in grps which was not my aim . so i retire frm this tread and u ppl continue this tread i hav no problem regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2008 Report Share Posted September 17, 2008 Like life itself the marital relationship (whether arising from traditional marriage or the marriages of today that may become the tradition tomorrow (speaking in years and decades etc... dont take it too literally folks!) is ideally a meeting of body, mind and soul. There are the soli-lunar factors utilized in the 8 and 10 count matchings, there are the physical factors that include the lords of relevant houses, the three sets of karakas, the bhav padas and the griha padas and the synastry between all those factors. As the times are changing so also the nature and goals and directions of marriages. Without getting judgmental, and morally pontific, astrologers can serve the community best by remaining astrologers and not becoming priests or keepers of morality. And as observers of reality and servers we would need to consider all these factors or our counsel will evaporate like a drop of water falling on a hot frying pan. The nativity will not hear or consider what we said and regardless of whether we got paid for our efforts and work or not, it was a wasted opportunity to counsel, help and steer a soul that was sent to us by the design of Karma and destiny: The nativity's and the jyotishi's! CAVEAT: The above acknowledges that Karma moves fast and perhaps superficially in some Internet readings and astrology practiced there. Rohiniranjan , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: > > Sunil > > if u can say something in depth pl do > > I don't think he said Nadi is absolute in deciding a match > > but a important one in the Kootas as such as is the max numbered one > > but I am sure Girish is not naive to say horoscope factors don't count at all and just Nadi counts no way, if u c the reply he gave to my query on exemptions partly covers it sure he will expand as the thread progresses > > and DON'T STOP here, I want u to add what u have to say too. esp give the south view point and what u have found as well > > I will only be a overseer here and interject the direction and not influence the thread wholelly and allow all of the members who can share their info here > > > kootas r just the first phase , 2nd phase will decide if the horoscope is strong enough to match and what r the balancing factors in a match as that is what a marriage is about > > so kootas alone will never be the deciding factor > > pl continue > > prashant > > > > > sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala > > Wednesday, September 17, 2008 12:08:11 AM > Naadi dosh > > > > > hare rama krishna > > dear grp > > i am stopping discussion abt nadi dosh here itself as grp is full of > self declared professers . > > how can 24 hrs duration nakshtras can b big determinant in success of > marriage ??i dont know .it is too much genaralisation and blind > adaptation of bookish knowledge and in effort ot terrrorise ppl and make > quick bucks in the name of uapayas .And it shows simple igonrence too > > i cannot teach how astrology devlped and how each indian sciences > contributed each other to a shouting grp and this science needs some > respect too. One dosha is nothing in charts and north indian method of > giving 8 marks in 36 is too much exaggerated too . > > but i cannot open my mouth as i spend yrs on it and nite oil too > .because so many secrets in astro and it needs open mind to learn too . > > atleast think moon is deha karaka and has some partial karaka of rakta > too .but chart as whole will decide all humours that can affect body . > evry seed has its own expiry date ,so it come with packet .so each seeds > will show its might while in sprouting to growth and then till it die > out .( i limit here ) ( think any difffrnt seeds and its ower and other > qualities ) > > ppl without knowing basics can open big mouth in grps which was not my > aim . > > so i retire frm this tread and u ppl continue this tread i hav no > problem > > regrds sunil nair > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah . > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2008 Report Share Posted September 17, 2008 Prashant Ji, Have u seen any case study or any reference from this professor ? Those days are gone when people were not asking such people who with no content and quality try to become other's teacher. regards, Lalit. , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: > > Sunil > > if u can say something in depth pl do > > I don't think he said Nadi is absolute in deciding a match > > but a important one in the Kootas as such as is the max numbered one > > but I am sure Girish is not naive to say horoscope factors don't count at all and just Nadi counts no way, if u c the reply he gave to my query on exemptions partly covers it sure he will expand as the thread progresses > > and DON'T STOP here, I want u to add what u have to say too. esp give the south view point and what u have found as well > > I will only be a overseer here and interject the direction and not influence the thread wholelly and allow all of the members who can share their info here > > > kootas r just the first phase , 2nd phase will decide if the horoscope is strong enough to match and what r the balancing factors in a match as that is what a marriage is about > > so kootas alone will never be the deciding factor > > pl continue > > prashant > > > > > sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala > > Wednesday, September 17, 2008 12:08:11 AM > Naadi dosh > > > > > hare rama krishna > > dear grp > > i am stopping discussion abt nadi dosh here itself as grp is full of > self declared professers . > > how can 24 hrs duration nakshtras can b big determinant in success of > marriage ??i dont know .it is too much genaralisation and blind > adaptation of bookish knowledge and in effort ot terrrorise ppl and make > quick bucks in the name of uapayas .And it shows simple igonrence too > > i cannot teach how astrology devlped and how each indian sciences > contributed each other to a shouting grp and this science needs some > respect too. One dosha is nothing in charts and north indian method of > giving 8 marks in 36 is too much exaggerated too . > > but i cannot open my mouth as i spend yrs on it and nite oil too > .because so many secrets in astro and it needs open mind to learn too . > > atleast think moon is deha karaka and has some partial karaka of rakta > too .but chart as whole will decide all humours that can affect body . > evry seed has its own expiry date ,so it come with packet .so each seeds > will show its might while in sprouting to growth and then till it die > out .( i limit here ) ( think any difffrnt seeds and its ower and other > qualities ) > > ppl without knowing basics can open big mouth in grps which was not my > aim . > > so i retire frm this tread and u ppl continue this tread i hav no > problem > > regrds sunil nair > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah . > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2008 Report Share Posted September 17, 2008 Dear Krishna ji, Girish ji, well this is a good concept that that can be adopted to our current times in the spirit of the classics and surely not in the politics or stigma of caste system, once a good system got lost in the years down the road from the spirit to blind practice now probably we must include [brahmins] people who r in the admin, intellectual/teaching.counseling professions, healthcare-doctors, Engineers, analysts, charted accountants, law -knowledge based people must applyNadi more for furthering their lineage people involved in administering the admin like the 3 services, cops, para militray other security agencies investigative agencies, crime, law and ordrr, criminal law, arbitrators, auctioneers too have to follow the Varna has to be matched for the ones involved in trade, commerce, diplomacy, show biz, sportsmen etcGanacan be a matching factor and for the labor intensive ones like industrial, agricultural, service.maintainences labor, construction labor, long distance runners, weight lifters, boxers, atheletes-where physical energy is max used they need to match on the Yoni factor this is irrespective of their birth caste, religion can be a useful way in using astrology for our times and at no point we r getting carried away that this is a basic filter/screening process the ultimate deciding factor i the Janam patri of the couples to be. Best wishes prashant vattem krishnan <bursar_99 Wednesday, September 17, 2008 11:37:41 AM Re: naadi dosh Dear Shri Girish Ji, Most appropriate reference on the basis of classical views.while in application process in today's society not really on the basis of varnasram dharma.we need also to broaden classicals and apply as relevant as on today. Infact Kuta in a way signifies " sum " " total " and the components of this total are for identifaication and classification of human kind.This classifications covers whole lot of sheres of huamn activities.we need to facilitate all these aspects and apply to build up an Institution of marraige even in changed environment. The progression can be made by applying all these aspects broadly. naadi as what exists in every one is factually but in the processing of application we infer as doshas on certain confirmed parameters.our effort is to bring a harmonic and peaceful co existence and build up society,ofcourse through astrological principles/guidelin es vrkrishnan --- On Wed, 9/17/08, girish_raheja <girish_raheja@ .co. in> wrote: girish_raheja <girish_raheja@ .co. in> naadi dosh Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 1:13 AM Dear Members, naadidoshashch vipranam, varnadoshastu bhoobhujaam gandoshashch vaishyesu, yonidoshashch paadjaam eknakshatrajaataana m naadidosh vidyate, anyarkshpativedhesh u vivahe varjitah sadaa. This is an old classic dictum followed by tradional pundits while matching horoscopes. Naadi dosh is crucial in the case of Brahmins, Varna dosh is crucial in the case of Kshatriya, gan dosh is crucial in the case of vaishya and yoni dosh is crucial in the case of shoodras. This means that if the bride and the groom are brahmins and have a naadi dosh then that marriage is 'varjit'. However they can marry after doing the parihars.Similarly if the kshatriya couple have varna dosh then the marriage is 'varjit' and so on. The fact that four matching area: naadi, varna, gan and yoni have been associated with four different castes shows that these factors are not universally applicable and instead are caste specific. Had any one of them been an Ayurveda concept [ physiological] then it should have been applicable across the board to all castes. Regards, Girish Raheja Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2008 Report Share Posted September 17, 2008 Respected Rohiniranjan da, Couldn’t have been expressed better. As usual ‘pape tusi chha gaye’ [ aside ] My inaudible rumblings I pity the loss of English literature. One who has a greater potential than RK Narayan or Raja Rao, or Ruth Jhawballa is wasting his skills. It is such a pity that one who has such a powerful narrative style in pristine Victorian English has confined himself to the 12 houses and the slippery planets. I wish he wrote 19th century period novels about Indians and the British based in an army barracks of a remote town in Central India [ how about Mhow ]… Col McPherson leading the East India Company sepoys against the rajput ruler of Nalagarh… would sound so romantic. Stop these rumblings ! nobody is listening. Shhhhh. I aint talking no more Girish Raheja , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan wrote: > > Like life itself the marital relationship (whether arising from > traditional marriage or the marriages of today that may become the > tradition tomorrow (speaking in years and decades etc... dont take it > too literally folks!) is ideally a meeting of body, mind and soul. > > There are the soli-lunar factors utilized in the 8 and 10 count > matchings, there are the physical factors that include the lords of > relevant houses, the three sets of karakas, the bhav padas and the > griha padas and the synastry between all those factors. > > As the times are changing so also the nature and goals and directions > of marriages. Without getting judgmental, and morally pontific, > astrologers can serve the community best by remaining astrologers and > not becoming priests or keepers of morality. And as observers of > reality and servers we would need to consider all these factors or > our counsel will evaporate like a drop of water falling on a hot > frying pan. The nativity will not hear or consider what we said and > regardless of whether we got paid for our efforts and work or not, it > was a wasted opportunity to counsel, help and steer a soul that was > sent to us by the design of Karma and destiny: The nativity's and the > jyotishi's! > > CAVEAT: The above acknowledges that Karma moves fast and perhaps > superficially in some Internet readings and astrology practiced there. > > Rohiniranjan > > , Prashant Kumar G B > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > Sunil > > > > if u can say something in depth pl do > > > > I don't think he said Nadi is absolute in deciding a match > > > > but a important one in the Kootas as such as is the max numbered one > > > > but I am sure Girish is not naive to say horoscope factors don't > count at all and just Nadi counts no way, if u c the reply he gave to > my query on exemptions partly covers it sure he will expand as the > thread progresses > > > > and DON'T STOP here, I want u to add what u have to say too. esp > give the south view point and what u have found as well > > > > I will only be a overseer here and interject the direction and not > influence the thread wholelly and allow all of the members who can > share their info here > > > > > > kootas r just the first phase , 2nd phase will decide if the > horoscope is strong enough to match and what r the balancing factors > in a match as that is what a marriage is about > > > > so kootas alone will never be the deciding factor > > > > pl continue > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala@> > > > > Wednesday, September 17, 2008 12:08:11 AM > > Naadi dosh > > > > > > > > > > hare rama krishna > > > > dear grp > > > > i am stopping discussion abt nadi dosh here itself as grp is full of > > self declared professers . > > > > how can 24 hrs duration nakshtras can b big determinant in success > of > > marriage ??i dont know .it is too much genaralisation and blind > > adaptation of bookish knowledge and in effort ot terrrorise ppl and > make > > quick bucks in the name of uapayas .And it shows simple igonrence > too > > > > i cannot teach how astrology devlped and how each indian sciences > > contributed each other to a shouting grp and this science needs some > > respect too. One dosha is nothing in charts and north indian method > of > > giving 8 marks in 36 is too much exaggerated too . > > > > but i cannot open my mouth as i spend yrs on it and nite oil too > > .because so many secrets in astro and it needs open mind to learn > too . > > > > atleast think moon is deha karaka and has some partial karaka of > rakta > > too .but chart as whole will decide all humours that can affect > body . > > evry seed has its own expiry date ,so it come with packet .so each > seeds > > will show its might while in sprouting to growth and then till it > die > > out .( i limit here ) ( think any difffrnt seeds and its ower and > other > > qualities ) > > > > ppl without knowing basics can open big mouth in grps which was not > my > > aim . > > > > so i retire frm this tread and u ppl continue this tread i hav no > > problem > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah . > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2008 Report Share Posted September 18, 2008 Sir, Probably: any one who has some some inquisitveness to learn does not drink and eats goes for veggie and ready to work hard is brahmin one who is ready to invest take risk sell and buy is bania/vaishya one who is ready to lead and try to safeguard others is kshtriya one hwo depends on aid,seeks safeguard and wants to be recognised for his lack of orientation is sudra Accordingly the palnets and matching too.Possible in the same family all four varnas r present with different religions too Ofcourse politics and votes r identified for class of politicians for want of power.The power thatone can get through jyotish is totally independent and makes one full of confidence as he will be having sixth sense and 3rd eye pl vrkrishnan --- On Wed, 9/17/08, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar Re: naadi dosh 17/9 Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 3:15 AM Dear Krishna ji, Girish ji, well this is a good concept that that can be adopted to our current times in the spirit of the classics and surely not in the politics or stigma of caste system, once a good system got lost in the years down the road from the spirit to blind practice now probably we must include [brahmins] people who r in the admin, intellectual/ teaching. counseling professions, healthcare-doctors, Engineers, analysts, charted accountants, law -knowledge based people must applyNadi more for furthering their lineage people involved in administering the admin like the 3 services, cops, para militray other security agencies investigative agencies, crime, law and ordrr, criminal law, arbitrators, auctioneers too have to follow the Varna has to be matched for the ones involved in trade, commerce, diplomacy, show biz, sportsmen etcGanacan be a matching factor and for the labor intensive ones like industrial, agricultural, service.maintainenc es labor, construction labor, long distance runners, weight lifters, boxers, atheletes-where physical energy is max used they need to match on the Yoni factor this is irrespective of their birth caste, religion can be a useful way in using astrology for our times and at no point we r getting carried away that this is a basic filter/screening process the ultimate deciding factor i the Janam patri of the couples to be. Best wishes prashant vattem krishnan <bursar_99 > Wednesday, September 17, 2008 11:37:41 AM Re: naadi dosh Dear Shri Girish Ji, Most appropriate reference on the basis of classical views.while in application process in today's society not really on the basis of varnasram dharma.we need also to broaden classicals and apply as relevant as on today. Infact Kuta in a way signifies " sum " " total " and the components of this total are for identifaication and classification of human kind.This classifications covers whole lot of sheres of huamn activities.we need to facilitate all these aspects and apply to build up an Institution of marraige even in changed environment. The progression can be made by applying all these aspects broadly. naadi as what exists in every one is factually but in the processing of application we infer as doshas on certain confirmed parameters.our effort is to bring a harmonic and peaceful co existence and build up society,ofcourse through astrological principles/guidelin es vrkrishnan --- On Wed, 9/17/08, girish_raheja <girish_raheja@ .co. in> wrote: girish_raheja <girish_raheja@ .co. in> naadi dosh Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 1:13 AM Dear Members, naadidoshashch vipranam, varnadoshastu bhoobhujaam gandoshashch vaishyesu, yonidoshashch paadjaam eknakshatrajaataana m naadidosh vidyate, anyarkshpativedhesh u vivahe varjitah sadaa. This is an old classic dictum followed by tradional pundits while matching horoscopes. Naadi dosh is crucial in the case of Brahmins, Varna dosh is crucial in the case of Kshatriya, gan dosh is crucial in the case of vaishya and yoni dosh is crucial in the case of shoodras. This means that if the bride and the groom are brahmins and have a naadi dosh then that marriage is 'varjit'. However they can marry after doing the parihars.Similarly if the kshatriya couple have varna dosh then the marriage is 'varjit' and so on. The fact that four matching area: naadi, varna, gan and yoni have been associated with four different castes shows that these factors are not universally applicable and instead are caste specific. Had any one of them been an Ayurveda concept [ physiological] then it should have been applicable across the board to all castes. Regards, Girish Raheja Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2008 Report Share Posted September 21, 2008 The correct term Mr. Raheja is " ramblings! " Rumbling as incorrectly used by you is what one may experience in their 3rd chakra region, after eating a very hot and spicy dish greedily and at nighttime wake up to the realization that he will have to take the next day off from work and spend mostly in the bathroom instead ;-) RR , " girish_raheja " <girish_raheja wrote: > > Respected Rohiniranjan da, > > Couldn’t have been expressed better. > > As usual ‘pape tusi chha gaye’ > > [ aside ] > > My inaudible rumblings > > I pity the loss of English literature. One who has a greater > potential than RK Narayan or Raja Rao, or Ruth Jhawballa is wasting > his skills. It is such a pity that one who has such a powerful > narrative style in pristine Victorian English has confined himself > to the 12 houses and the slippery planets. > > I wish he wrote 19th century period novels about Indians and the > British based in an army barracks of a remote town in Central India > [ how about Mhow ]… Col McPherson leading the East India Company > sepoys against the rajput ruler of Nalagarh… would sound so romantic. > > Stop these rumblings ! nobody is listening. > > Shhhhh. I aint talking no more > > Girish Raheja > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > Like life itself the marital relationship (whether arising from > > traditional marriage or the marriages of today that may become the > > tradition tomorrow (speaking in years and decades etc... dont take > it > > too literally folks!) is ideally a meeting of body, mind and soul. > > > > There are the soli-lunar factors utilized in the 8 and 10 count > > matchings, there are the physical factors that include the lords > of > > relevant houses, the three sets of karakas, the bhav padas and the > > griha padas and the synastry between all those factors. > > > > As the times are changing so also the nature and goals and > directions > > of marriages. Without getting judgmental, and morally pontific, > > astrologers can serve the community best by remaining astrologers > and > > not becoming priests or keepers of morality. And as observers of > > reality and servers we would need to consider all these factors or > > our counsel will evaporate like a drop of water falling on a hot > > frying pan. The nativity will not hear or consider what we said > and > > regardless of whether we got paid for our efforts and work or not, > it > > was a wasted opportunity to counsel, help and steer a soul that > was > > sent to us by the design of Karma and destiny: The nativity's and > the > > jyotishi's! > > > > CAVEAT: The above acknowledges that Karma moves fast and perhaps > > superficially in some Internet readings and astrology practiced > there. > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > Sunil > > > > > > if u can say something in depth pl do > > > > > > I don't think he said Nadi is absolute in deciding a match > > > > > > but a important one in the Kootas as such as is the max numbered > one > > > > > > but I am sure Girish is not naive to say horoscope factors don't > > count at all and just Nadi counts no way, if u c the reply he gave > to > > my query on exemptions partly covers it sure he will expand as the > > thread progresses > > > > > > and DON'T STOP here, I want u to add what u have to say too. esp > > give the south view point and what u have found as well > > > > > > I will only be a overseer here and interject the direction and > not > > influence the thread wholelly and allow all of the members who > can > > share their info here > > > > > > > > > kootas r just the first phase , 2nd phase will decide if the > > horoscope is strong enough to match and what r the balancing > factors > > in a match as that is what a marriage is about > > > > > > so kootas alone will never be the deciding factor > > > > > > pl continue > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala@> > > > > > > Wednesday, September 17, 2008 12:08:11 AM > > > Naadi dosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hare rama krishna > > > > > > dear grp > > > > > > i am stopping discussion abt nadi dosh here itself as grp is > full of > > > self declared professers . > > > > > > how can 24 hrs duration nakshtras can b big determinant in > success > > of > > > marriage ??i dont know .it is too much genaralisation and blind > > > adaptation of bookish knowledge and in effort ot terrrorise ppl > and > > make > > > quick bucks in the name of uapayas .And it shows simple > igonrence > > too > > > > > > i cannot teach how astrology devlped and how each indian sciences > > > contributed each other to a shouting grp and this science needs > some > > > respect too. One dosha is nothing in charts and north indian > method > > of > > > giving 8 marks in 36 is too much exaggerated too . > > > > > > but i cannot open my mouth as i spend yrs on it and nite oil too > > > .because so many secrets in astro and it needs open mind to > learn > > too . > > > > > > atleast think moon is deha karaka and has some partial karaka of > > rakta > > > too .but chart as whole will decide all humours that can affect > > body . > > > evry seed has its own expiry date ,so it come with packet .so > each > > seeds > > > will show its might while in sprouting to growth and then till > it > > die > > > out .( i limit here ) ( think any difffrnt seeds and its ower > and > > other > > > qualities ) > > > > > > ppl without knowing basics can open big mouth in grps which was > not > > my > > > aim . > > > > > > so i retire frm this tread and u ppl continue this tread i hav no > > > problem > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah . > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2008 Report Share Posted September 21, 2008 Dear Rohiniranjan da, ooops my bad. You are right. You remind me of my English teacher Bernard M. Lott. Love and regards, Girish , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan wrote: > > The correct term Mr. Raheja is " ramblings! " > Rumbling as incorrectly used by you is what one may experience in > their 3rd chakra region, after eating a very hot and spicy dish > greedily and at nighttime wake up to the realization that he will > have to take the next day off from work and spend mostly in the > bathroom instead ;-) > > RR > > , " girish_raheja " > <girish_raheja@> wrote: > > > > Respected Rohiniranjan da, > > > > Couldn’t have been expressed better. > > > > As usual ‘pape tusi chha gaye’ > > > > [ aside ] > > > > My inaudible rumblings > > > > I pity the loss of English literature. One who has a greater > > potential than RK Narayan or Raja Rao, or Ruth Jhawballa is > wasting > > his skills. It is such a pity that one who has such a powerful > > narrative style in pristine Victorian English has confined himself > > to the 12 houses and the slippery planets. > > > > I wish he wrote 19th century period novels about Indians and the > > British based in an army barracks of a remote town in Central India > > [ how about Mhow ]… Col McPherson leading the East India Company > > sepoys against the rajput ruler of Nalagarh… would sound so > romantic. > > > > Stop these rumblings ! nobody is listening. > > > > Shhhhh. I aint talking no more > > > > Girish Raheja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > > > Like life itself the marital relationship (whether arising from > > > traditional marriage or the marriages of today that may become > the > > > tradition tomorrow (speaking in years and decades etc... dont > take > > it > > > too literally folks!) is ideally a meeting of body, mind and soul. > > > > > > There are the soli-lunar factors utilized in the 8 and 10 count > > > matchings, there are the physical factors that include the lords > > of > > > relevant houses, the three sets of karakas, the bhav padas and > the > > > griha padas and the synastry between all those factors. > > > > > > As the times are changing so also the nature and goals and > > directions > > > of marriages. Without getting judgmental, and morally pontific, > > > astrologers can serve the community best by remaining astrologers > > and > > > not becoming priests or keepers of morality. And as observers of > > > reality and servers we would need to consider all these factors > or > > > our counsel will evaporate like a drop of water falling on a hot > > > frying pan. The nativity will not hear or consider what we said > > and > > > regardless of whether we got paid for our efforts and work or > not, > > it > > > was a wasted opportunity to counsel, help and steer a soul that > > was > > > sent to us by the design of Karma and destiny: The nativity's and > > the > > > jyotishi's! > > > > > > CAVEAT: The above acknowledges that Karma moves fast and perhaps > > > superficially in some Internet readings and astrology practiced > > there. > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Sunil > > > > > > > > if u can say something in depth pl do > > > > > > > > I don't think he said Nadi is absolute in deciding a match > > > > > > > > but a important one in the Kootas as such as is the max > numbered > > one > > > > > > > > but I am sure Girish is not naive to say horoscope factors > don't > > > count at all and just Nadi counts no way, if u c the reply he > gave > > to > > > my query on exemptions partly covers it sure he will expand as > the > > > thread progresses > > > > > > > > and DON'T STOP here, I want u to add what u have to say too. > esp > > > give the south view point and what u have found as well > > > > > > > > I will only be a overseer here and interject the direction and > > not > > > influence the thread wholelly and allow all of the members who > > can > > > share their info here > > > > > > > > > > > > kootas r just the first phase , 2nd phase will decide if the > > > horoscope is strong enough to match and what r the balancing > > factors > > > in a match as that is what a marriage is about > > > > > > > > so kootas alone will never be the deciding factor > > > > > > > > pl continue > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala@> > > > > > > > > Wednesday, September 17, 2008 12:08:11 AM > > > > Naadi dosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hare rama krishna > > > > > > > > dear grp > > > > > > > > i am stopping discussion abt nadi dosh here itself as grp is > > full of > > > > self declared professers . > > > > > > > > how can 24 hrs duration nakshtras can b big determinant in > > success > > > of > > > > marriage ??i dont know .it is too much genaralisation and blind > > > > adaptation of bookish knowledge and in effort ot terrrorise ppl > > and > > > make > > > > quick bucks in the name of uapayas .And it shows simple > > igonrence > > > too > > > > > > > > i cannot teach how astrology devlped and how each indian > sciences > > > > contributed each other to a shouting grp and this science needs > > some > > > > respect too. One dosha is nothing in charts and north indian > > method > > > of > > > > giving 8 marks in 36 is too much exaggerated too . > > > > > > > > but i cannot open my mouth as i spend yrs on it and nite oil too > > > > .because so many secrets in astro and it needs open mind to > > learn > > > too . > > > > > > > > atleast think moon is deha karaka and has some partial karaka > of > > > rakta > > > > too .but chart as whole will decide all humours that can affect > > > body . > > > > evry seed has its own expiry date ,so it come with packet .so > > each > > > seeds > > > > will show its might while in sprouting to growth and then till > > it > > > die > > > > out .( i limit here ) ( think any difffrnt seeds and its ower > > and > > > other > > > > qualities ) > > > > > > > > ppl without knowing basics can open big mouth in grps which was > > not > > > my > > > > aim . > > > > > > > > so i retire frm this tread and u ppl continue this tread i hav > no > > > > problem > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah . > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2008 Report Share Posted September 21, 2008 Dear Rohiniranjan da, Sure sir. I would Regards, Girish , " MKuP " <jyotish wrote: > > Girish, > > Your heart may be (maybe?) in the right place, but sadly YOU are > not! ;-) > > If Mr. Lott is not with us anymore (MGRHS), he would be turning in > his grave while you composed your message! For the sake of his > comfort, I hope he is still alive, because in that case he would have > felt nothing! :-) > > Keep trying, keep writing (?), and be kind on yourself...! > > Rohiniranjan > > > , " girish_raheja " > <girish_raheja@> wrote: > > > > Dear Rohiniranjan da, > > > > ooops my bad. You are right. > > > > You remind me of my English teacher Bernard M. Lott. > > > > Love and regards, > > > > Girish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > > > The correct term Mr. Raheja is " ramblings! " > > > Rumbling as incorrectly used by you is what one may experience in > > > their 3rd chakra region, after eating a very hot and spicy dish > > > greedily and at nighttime wake up to the realization that he will > > > have to take the next day off from work and spend mostly in the > > > bathroom instead ;-) > > > > > > RR > > > > > > , " girish_raheja " > > > <girish_raheja@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected Rohiniranjan da, > > > > > > > > Couldn’t have been expressed better. > > > > > > > > As usual ‘pape tusi chha gaye’ > > > > > > > > [ aside ] > > > > > > > > My inaudible rumblings > > > > > > > > I pity the loss of English literature. One who has a greater > > > > potential than RK Narayan or Raja Rao, or Ruth Jhawballa is > > > wasting > > > > his skills. It is such a pity that one who has such a powerful > > > > narrative style in pristine Victorian English has confined > > himself > > > > to the 12 houses and the slippery planets. > > > > > > > > I wish he wrote 19th century period novels about Indians and > the > > > > British based in an army barracks of a remote town in Central > > India > > > > [ how about Mhow ]… Col McPherson leading the East India > Company > > > > sepoys against the rajput ruler of Nalagarh… would sound so > > > romantic. > > > > > > > > Stop these rumblings ! nobody is listening. > > > > > > > > Shhhhh. I aint talking no more > > > > > > > > Girish Raheja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > > > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Like life itself the marital relationship (whether arising > > from > > > > > traditional marriage or the marriages of today that may > become > > > the > > > > > tradition tomorrow (speaking in years and decades etc... dont > > > take > > > > it > > > > > too literally folks!) is ideally a meeting of body, mind and > > soul. > > > > > > > > > > There are the soli-lunar factors utilized in the 8 and 10 > > count > > > > > matchings, there are the physical factors that include the > > lords > > > > of > > > > > relevant houses, the three sets of karakas, the bhav padas > and > > > the > > > > > griha padas and the synastry between all those factors. > > > > > > > > > > As the times are changing so also the nature and goals and > > > > directions > > > > > of marriages. Without getting judgmental, and morally > > pontific, > > > > > astrologers can serve the community best by remaining > > astrologers > > > > and > > > > > not becoming priests or keepers of morality. And as observers > > of > > > > > reality and servers we would need to consider all these > > factors > > > or > > > > > our counsel will evaporate like a drop of water falling on a > > hot > > > > > frying pan. The nativity will not hear or consider what we > > said > > > > and > > > > > regardless of whether we got paid for our efforts and work or > > > not, > > > > it > > > > > was a wasted opportunity to counsel, help and steer a soul > > that > > > > was > > > > > sent to us by the design of Karma and destiny: The nativity's > > and > > > > the > > > > > jyotishi's! > > > > > > > > > > CAVEAT: The above acknowledges that Karma moves fast and > > perhaps > > > > > superficially in some Internet readings and astrology > > practiced > > > > there. > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunil > > > > > > > > > > > > if u can say something in depth pl do > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think he said Nadi is absolute in deciding a match > > > > > > > > > > > > but a important one in the Kootas as such as is the max > > > numbered > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > but I am sure Girish is not naive to say horoscope factors > > > don't > > > > > count at all and just Nadi counts no way, if u c the reply he > > > gave > > > > to > > > > > my query on exemptions partly covers it sure he will expand > as > > > the > > > > > thread progresses > > > > > > > > > > > > and DON'T STOP here, I want u to add what u have to say > too. > > > esp > > > > > give the south view point and what u have found as well > > > > > > > > > > > > I will only be a overseer here and interject the direction > > and > > > > not > > > > > influence the thread wholelly and allow all of the members > > who > > > > can > > > > > share their info here > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kootas r just the first phase , 2nd phase will decide if > the > > > > > horoscope is strong enough to match and what r the balancing > > > > factors > > > > > in a match as that is what a marriage is about > > > > > > > > > > > > so kootas alone will never be the deciding factor > > > > > > > > > > > > pl continue > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala@> > > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, September 17, 2008 12:08:11 AM > > > > > > Naadi dosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hare rama krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > dear grp > > > > > > > > > > > > i am stopping discussion abt nadi dosh here itself as grp > is > > > > full of > > > > > > self declared professers . > > > > > > > > > > > > how can 24 hrs duration nakshtras can b big determinant in > > > > success > > > > > of > > > > > > marriage ??i dont know .it is too much genaralisation and > > blind > > > > > > adaptation of bookish knowledge and in effort ot terrrorise > > ppl > > > > and > > > > > make > > > > > > quick bucks in the name of uapayas .And it shows simple > > > > igonrence > > > > > too > > > > > > > > > > > > i cannot teach how astrology devlped and how each indian > > > sciences > > > > > > contributed each other to a shouting grp and this science > > needs > > > > some > > > > > > respect too. One dosha is nothing in charts and north > indian > > > > method > > > > > of > > > > > > giving 8 marks in 36 is too much exaggerated too . > > > > > > > > > > > > but i cannot open my mouth as i spend yrs on it and nite > oil > > too > > > > > > .because so many secrets in astro and it needs open mind to > > > > learn > > > > > too . > > > > > > > > > > > > atleast think moon is deha karaka and has some partial > > karaka > > > of > > > > > rakta > > > > > > too .but chart as whole will decide all humours that can > > affect > > > > > body . > > > > > > evry seed has its own expiry date ,so it come with > > packet .so > > > > each > > > > > seeds > > > > > > will show its might while in sprouting to growth and then > > till > > > > it > > > > > die > > > > > > out .( i limit here ) ( think any difffrnt seeds and its > > ower > > > > and > > > > > other > > > > > > qualities ) > > > > > > > > > > > > ppl without knowing basics can open big mouth in grps which > > was > > > > not > > > > > my > > > > > > aim . > > > > > > > > > > > > so i retire frm this tread and u ppl continue this tread i > > hav > > > no > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah . > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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